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Many thanks for the prompt suggestions Alan.
I've spent a= ges trying to sort the problem and have now run out of ideas.
I completely rebuilt the unit, even=20= using a new ferrite rod.

The front end tuning was very sharp and I su= bsequently added another
RF tuning control (varicap + pot) to peak it up= as it drifted.
Also I've placed a 220 k resistor across the tuned circui= t to lower the Q
and flatten the response.

I did the usual trick o= f blowing with a drinking straw on various components
and the front end c= apacitors seemed to be the culprits hence the added
RF amp tuning control= .

I'll try a BF981 as you suggest and also disconnect the front end a= nd inject a signal.
I'll hunt around for a BF960 as shown in the original circuit.

Thanks again es 73

Chris XIZ

From: Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.co= m>
To: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org
Sent: Sun= day, 3 May, 2009 21:00:26
Subject:<= /span> LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

Hi Chr= is the following things occur to me to try
1 the 2N3819 is a juction fet=20= not a mosfet (as with Dick original design) so
is probably more likely to= show changes in input (gate-source) current with
temperature. The input=20= current of a mostfet will be negligable. I cant
remember what the original device was but if a 40673 for instance try a
BF981 which are re= adily available.

2 At a lower level of probability the permiability o= f ferrite changes with
temperature. I would not that to be anything like=20= so great as problem
though.

I hope that helps to solve the problem= .

Alan G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Osborn"=20= <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "LF Group" <rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM
Subj= ect: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

LF,

I've jus= t rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook),
modi= fied for use on the 500 kHz band.

I've followed the published circuit= as near as possible considering
available components,
the differences being:
a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of=20= the published varicaps.
b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead=20= of dual gate mosfets.
c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite r= od instead of the
published LW coil.

I have made a decent Helmholt= z coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet
the
field strength mete= r's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and
can vary up to30 %.

I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem= as I've spent
hours trying
to correct it.

73 Chris G3XIZ

--0-1256213526-1241421786=:8010-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB032-af14a13e0b0305; Wed, 20 May 2009 06:51:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB107-af14a13e0b0305; Wed, 20 May 2009 06:51:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6jMt-0000oA-RB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 11:49:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6jMt-0000o1-HW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 11:49:51 +0100 Received: from simone.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.77]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6jMp-00007C-VH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 11:49:50 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by simone.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4KAnafH027527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:19:39 -0230 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:19:36 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1B0A986B3D4145A59DB8C62900192872@JimPC> Message-ID: References: <1B0A986B3D4145A59DB8C62900192872@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ 20/5/09 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Fair to good copy here across the pond in Canada. 73 Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD064-8eb4a19065994; Sun, 24 May 2009 04:33:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD023-8eb4a19065994; Sun, 24 May 2009 04:33:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8981-0006rO-Sv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:32:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8981-0006rF-A8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:32:21 +0100 Received: from xsmtp19.mail2web.com ([168.144.250.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M897z-0006fU-Di for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:32:20 +0100 Received: from [168.144.108.15] (helo=M2W015.mail2web.com) by xsmtp19.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M897s-0004kW-QM; Sun, 24 May 2009 04:32:14 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22009502483212809@M2W015.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 217.67.146.136 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "john.rabson@wanadoo.fr" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 04:32:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: DK7SU and F6BWO X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) At 0827z today: F6BWO 30dB over static. 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domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal, http://www.armspower.com/Products/Powerware/Powerware9Prestige/Powerware9Prestige%20User%27s%20Guide,%20600-1800VA.pdf -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM, mal hamilton wrote: > UPS unit > POWERWARE PRESTIGE EXT 1800P2HVSE > Tech manual or any info appreciated > tnx mal/g3kev > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG052-5fd4a01f52d3aa; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:38:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG108-5fd4a01f52d3aa; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:38:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1nrJ-0007q5-1D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:36:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1nrI-0007pw-BX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:36:52 +0100 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1nrF-00066T-Od for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:36:51 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.18] (helo=8.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #88) id 1M1nqH-0005Eh-MJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:35:49 +0200 Received: from w33ee.w.pppool.de ([89.58.51.238]:1172 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 8.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M1nqG-0004Bw-Nj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:35:49 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:35:46 +0200 Message-ID: <76C3EF95B36D49329A6C7790AC132D12@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnOhnWOWli3/QLUTwOIMmvNNNgJwQAA4W3g X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, on waterfall signal is nice visible, but no decoding until yet.. vy 73, Gerhard =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2009 22:04 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Hello Gerhard, tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 minutes. Same mode as yesterday. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > Hello Rik, > > Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. > Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY test > transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward to > verify a new mode. > > Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC > Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) > > 73, Rik > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> >> >> Hello Rik, >> >> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one > more >> chance for decoding.... >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>> and listen inbetween. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>> >>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>> >>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>> >>>>> OK Rik, >>>>> >>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to > monitor, >>> I >>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>> >>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>> The way I did it: >>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR >>> BPF >>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>> >>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>> >>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>> >>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>> needs >>>>> to >>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us > using >>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the > colors >>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>>> locator >>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (rly-mf06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.176]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF104-9644a0b38d4c8; 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Wed, 13 May 2009 23:16:28 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2><010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com><833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> <20090513225952.e2nk4cqpm9kwokc4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:16:26 +0200 Message-ID: <51B7F2FA87A84383BB1A2166E4DF2A02@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> Thread-Index: AcnUDopPC7mMlgUsQaSOJ1wiF2mEKwAAVYZg X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Gus, Also solid copy (56) in JN59LN Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2009 23:05 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB Rik, thank's report. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB > Gus, >=20 > solid 57 signal here tonight >=20 > 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T >=20 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF042-53d49ff66bc1ad; Mon, 04 May 2009 18:05:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF036-53d49ff66bc1ad; Mon, 04 May 2009 18:05:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M16Ha-0007r8-Kz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:05:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M16Ha-0007qz-9I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:05:06 +0100 Received: from mhost03c.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.76.167]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M16HX-0004Jy-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:05:05 +0100 Received: from APOLLO1.ds.leeds.ac.uk (apollo1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.5.4]) by mhost03c.leeds.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n44LvRwS000427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:57:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([fe80::39ce:23e:d0b5:7e24]) by APOLLO1.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.5.4]) with mapi; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:57:27 +0100 From: Chris Trayner To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:57:26 +0100 Thread-Topic: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Thread-Index: AcnME/viiC8EuiHYQ0WmpClnaw6UaQA7ozT6 Message-ID: <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11229299ACD@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk> References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Chris, You've probably thought of these, but just in case: > I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field ye= t the field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and c= an vary up to 30 %. Is the Helmholtz coil getting a constant voltage from the sig gen, or whatev= er powers it? That's not temp-sensitive, is it? If you're attenuating the sig gen signal a lot to feed a weak signal to the=20= Helmholtz coil, is the attenuator the problem? Is there any other, unintended signal coupling (e.g. capacitive) from your s= ource of test signal to the field strength meter? Is there any other source of RF you can test it on, e.g. re-tune it to some=20= broadcast signal? 73, Chris G4OKW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-adb4a03527e32b; Thu, 07 May 2009 17:28:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB081-adb4a03527e32b; Thu, 07 May 2009 17:28:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2B81-0003AP-IK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:27:41 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2B80-0003AG-VC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:27:41 +0100 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2B7z-0007oG-6l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:27:40 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.18] (helo=8.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #88) id 1M2B6z-00054N-8g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 23:26:37 +0200 Received: from w115d.w.pppool.de ([89.58.17.93]:1251 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 8.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M2B6y-0004Xy-Uq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 23:26:37 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425><20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be><004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus><20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be><004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506225829.1vrsvh9ozjwcwog8@webmail 4.kuleuven.be><351E24E134154160986CF3C5CC07321A@2a2d7ed321c6425><20090507152132.C17FE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <20090507225725.232kpy3wuaa5a8wc@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 23:26:38 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090507225725.232kpy3wuaa5a8wc@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnPVuyTSVUVC+9tSX+bPHkg6F7aSAAA1pDQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: LF: AW: FM-Hell Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, last transmission had some QSB and QRM. Decoded only following fragments... CQ CQ CQ OR7T OR7T OR(T PSE K Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI (JN59LN) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 22:57 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: AW: FM-Hell Hello Gerhard, thanks for the report. MultiPsk can receive (and transmit) FM-Hell At 21:20 UTC I will change from FM-Hell to RTTY (50Hz shift / 23Bd as =20 last night). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > Hello Rik, > > nice visible signal on waterfall at 20:40; > Signal was also clear audible!!!!! > > Sri, I don't have installed a FM-Hell decoder; > > Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI (JN59LN) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 17:22 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: FM-Hell > > Dear all, > > I will do some FM-Hell transmissions tonight on 503.5kHz from 20:30 > UTC til 21:20 UTC starting every 10 minutes. > Between transmissions I will "listen" on the same frequency. > Report are welcome. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de09.mx.aol.com (rly-de09.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.145]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE012-5014a073b67282; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:39:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE096-5014a073b67282; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:39:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Fn3-0001YR-T0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:38:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Fn3-0001YI-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:38:29 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3Fn0-00027H-Qf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:38:28 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3621.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EAA297000082 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:38:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3621.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id AF9897000081 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:38:21 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510203821719.AF9897000081@mwinf3621.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> In-Reply-To: <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:38:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 All Getting reports of a qrss cw signal on 502.7 , if this is causing problems , I can qsy hf if needed hope the test is useful Tnx- Graham -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:51 PM To: Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream > same text , 60 sec repeat .. > > > PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz = 503.20k cent rf > > MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz = 503,00k cent rf > > ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz = 502.70 k cent rf > > > Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' > lock > up time ? > > Graham > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Graham" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM > To: > Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > >> >> All, >> >> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >> >> G .. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Graham" >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >> To: >> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >> >>> >>> All >>> >>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>> >>> Tx set >>> >>> Dial 501.000 >>> mode usb >>> >>> FLDIGI software >> >> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>> >>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>> >>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>> >>> Power 40 watts per stream >>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>> >>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>> >>> Reports welcome >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>> 05/09/09 >>> 06:54:00 >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >> 05/09/09 >> 06:54:00 >> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF044-5514a0754fc267; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:28:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF056-5514a0754fc267; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:28:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3HUf-0002l4-IF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:27:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3HUf-0002kv-5A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:27:37 +0100 Received: from smtp800.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.60]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3HUd-0001xs-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:27:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 92666 invoked from network); 10 May 2009 22:27:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=oqkV+iehholPW2QJvmffjH9wXoF1dvyaxilQsj24e+yXfclm4Ie/9SdoBcOUdIY7d5XpOY983WlqXprZ9/sJKFdBt0hZ+hWlRyTKUxzDGuzs7w02QrSHIJ6bKea6UnA9DCXdOjqHu6PcRr5i/szF5lAg8jiC/+h6Ku9pOAPzhyY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.106.68 with login) by smtp800.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2009 22:27:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xymg3nMVM1lgxC8_vygXVKm6q5zfY1OUc0PVkx8caxLfaX_XbGR6XESScHsCQtR5yap5C_j3Ikyz_d065JhRfZR9LbNZa1LoYbiYpIHsDNeIteoGAlbGOhglwfoD730CsYNNP78zya5Of_uf7F94IrPZLwpxw9f2oEDgo57NMgjx5yLvKFP1gjVEaKIYDUGV9OliDcQEuUiwVjIVPbNJGrfZjGrjkjmgSKbgJuthXUcrZl5ztwMuwV0tcPxNsQxa.P2lyI.x_rcU.euPWZOI8_UXE5BtU7Xa X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <1B3950C0CC6641F29CD92B0269A04581@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:27:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: Re: 3 Mode Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Graham, LF Group, Have been watching your test for an hour or so. At the peaks of the fades, all 3 modes decode quite well:- MSK4: CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com ThrobX 2: CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD QSL G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM G0NBD@HOTMAIL.CO PSK31: e C CQ 1Q d0nbd g0nbd g0nbd CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd qsl nbd@hotmail.aom g0nbd@hotmail.com When the signal levels are down, MSK4 seems most robust, with Throb somewhere in the middle:- t�8n� ND CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com 3-LNBD G0NBD G0NBD CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD QSL G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM CQ CQ d g0nId g0e d g0nbd iQ CQ CQ de g0p p .0�wg eet g tloTail.� Watching the decodes, I am seeing that PSK31 is vulnerable to static crashes - each loud burst of QRN corrupts a few characters, while the other modes seem to tolerate this better. This is similar to previous experience. When the QRN is not present, the PSK31 is nearly as good as the other modes. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA044-8b34a09e735140; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:16:51 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA065-8b34a09e735140; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:16:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3zK0-0006QW-5c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:15:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3zJz-0006QN-NO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:15:31 +0100 Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3zJw-0004VW-MK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:15:31 +0100 Received: from DR2 ([71.184.212.10]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJJ0047VV17UURL@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:15:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "dave.riley3" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:15:07 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 acty Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01C9D325.32C4D1A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C9D325.32C4D1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TNX ES 73s C U next year ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 acty Hello Dave Several UK stns active at present around 502.5 daylight, hi speed cw, too=20= early for DX. The trouble at present are the long daylight hours for DX. Middle of night would be best over here but we all asleep by then hi I can hear the usual chorous of EU beacons on 505 day and nite. Sri I cann= ot help at present. Gl with ur DX=20 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dave.riley3=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 acty Mel, Any net call ups on 502 - 7033 broadcast mode?? Picture us here in the new world on a ship and can only get back on 7mc.= hf... Give us a break, will ya... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: LF: 500 acty Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G3CWI and G3KEV all on hi speed CW= . Mal/G3KEV ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/= 09 16:14:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C9D325.32C4D1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

TNX ES 73s

C U next year

----- Original Message -----

mal= =20 hamilton

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:48 PM=

Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 acty

Hello Dave

Several UK stns active at present around=20= 502.5=20 daylight, hi speed cw, too early for DX. The trouble at present are the lo= ng=20 daylight hours for DX.

Middle of night would be best over here b= ut we=20 all asleep by then hi

I can hear the usual chorous of EU beacon= s on 505=20 day and nite. Sri I cannot help at present.

Gl with ur DX

73 mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 dave.riley3

To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:35=20 PM

Subject: LF: Re: 500 acty

Mel, Any net call ups on 502 - 7033 broadcas= t=20 mode??

Picture us here in the new world on a ship a= nd can=20 only get back on 7mc. hf...

Give us a break, will ya...<= /DIV>

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 mal=20 hamilton

To: rs= gb

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:2= 1=20 PM

Subject: LF: 500 acty

Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G= 3CWI and=20 G3KEV all on hi speed CW.

Mal/G3KEV

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Rele= ase=20 Date: 05/11/09 16:14:00

------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C9D325.32C4D1A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB072-abf4a196df2233; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:55:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB045-abf4a196df2233; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:55:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8G2P-0008La-KV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:55:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8G2P-0008LR-6w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:55:01 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8G2N-0007P4-Al for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:55:01 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsEAO8KGUpZ8+0p/2dsb2JhbACEVMtWhAsF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.243.237.41]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 16:54:52 +0100 Message-ID: <007401c9dc87$f9ab7970$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> <14D90153B05D421EB30356D325877C2D@JimPC> <4A196840.1090803@btconnect.com> <006b01c9dc87$0e4be3c0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:54:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 PS or even start a VOLCANO !!!!!!! Stay at home Richard !! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: First Portable Trip > Don't risk it. > You might set the heather on FIRE !!!! > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Newstead" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: First Portable Trip > > >> Dear all >> >> Someone has suggested running a sloping wire down a cliff and top >> feeding it. This is an interesting idea. Extending on that idea, if the >> lower end of the wire was connected to some radials and the upper ends >> was fed against earth might that work? Instead of a capacity hat it >> would perhaps be a capacity bottom antenna. Setting up such a system >> could be hard though. I have not abseiled in a long time. >> >> 73 >> >> Richard >> G3CWI >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 > 07:00:00 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 07:00:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD034-8fa4a13baca2c4; Wed, 20 May 2009 04:10:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD042-8fa4a13baca2c4; Wed, 20 May 2009 04:09:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6grM-0000EX-QI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:09:08 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6grM-0000EO-5U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:09:08 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s30.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.41]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6grH-00088A-Tg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:09:07 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W23 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s30.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 May 2009 01:08:52 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [60.27.207.152] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 00:08:52 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2009 08:08:52.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[36B448B0:01C9D922] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_9439fc83-8846-42ea-afbd-90c2708486e3_" Subject: LF: SAQ bleg X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_9439fc83-8846-42ea-afbd-90c2708486e3_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_72b136ba-b8cb-4e99-8067-6eb48c9e415c_" --_72b136ba-b8cb-4e99-8067-6eb48c9e415c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Well no audio ID but this picked up on the NDB setting - interesting Signals= ceased about 0747z - I didnt get into the house from work (skived off early= ) till just after 0730z, reread the transmission time and was expleting loud= ly when this appeared..=20 Laurence China (local time for capture was around 3.40pm China time) OM89UA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE goes with you.=20 http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori= al_Mobile1_052009=3D --_72b136ba-b8cb-4e99-8067-6eb48c9e415c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well no audio ID but this picked up on the NDB setting - interesting Signals= ceased about 0747z - I didnt get into the house from work (skived off early= ) till just after 0730z, reread the transmission time and was expleting= loudly when this appeared..
Laurence China (local time for capture was around 3.40pm China time)
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<555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090502-0, 05/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RU beacons May 1-2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050309030305020107040205" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------050309030305020107040205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ed RU6LA wrote: > Dear LF enthusiasts! > > I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z, > on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3. > > QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May) > abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical) > QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop) > > Reports welcome > > 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru Hi Ed Received again, may 2 around my midnight. 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6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: IK5ZPV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C9E097.308A8E00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C9E097.308A8E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here 559 but not listening for a CW reply !! g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: LF: IK5ZPV Hello LF! I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV in QRSS3 mode. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zd= e!=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.44/2140 - Release Date: 05/28/09= 18:09:00 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C9E097.308A8E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here 559 but not listening for a CW reply !!<= /DIV>

g3kev

----- Original Message -----

Lubos OK2= BVG=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:21 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: LF: IK5ZPV

Hello LF!
I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV=20= in=20 QRSS3 mode.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde!=20

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.339 / Viru= s=20 Database: 270.12.44/2140 - Release Date: 05/28/09=20 18:09:00

------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C9E097.308A8E00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-aa54a09104a87; Tue, 12 May 2009 01:59:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB013-aa54a09104a87; Tue, 12 May 2009 01:59:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3l06-000120-Ax for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 06:58:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3l05-00011r-Sx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 06:58:01 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr08.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.186]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3l03-0003KZ-Ly for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 06:58:01 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr08.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CLF10617; Tue, 12 May 2009 06:56:39 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A090F9D.70308@btconnect.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 06:56:45 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> <1M3dxj-1eZn860@fwd10.t-online.de> <5A69E092D3C045358FFC4FAEB5C5C2EC@radiorummet> In-Reply-To: <5A69E092D3C045358FFC4FAEB5C5C2EC@radiorummet> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr08.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0207.4A090F97.016A,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gus wrote: > > > *//* > */I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB./* > */Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include..../* > */Reports are wellcome./* > *//* > */73 de Gus SM6BHZ/* > > > Gus 59 here at 2245z. I could hear another beacon about 100Hz lower than you sending fastish CW and QRSS - any ideas? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB072-ab14a0c4b72135; Thu, 14 May 2009 12:49:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB027-ab14a0c4b72135; Thu, 14 May 2009 12:48:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4e6P-0007bD-Vn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:48:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4e6P-0007b4-JE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:48:13 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4e6L-0000s8-Qh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:48:12 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9F1D5700008A for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:48:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.3.78]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 261897000082 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:47:58 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090514164758156.261897000082@mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <3F715BE823444B3591E5364630602796@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> <006401c9d3f0$729cf2f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A0B0633.4040302@btconnect.com> <007201c9d4a3$7221df30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8bf118410905140842j1abe6f46h464674c2e658aaeb@mail.gmail.com> <4A0C40C9.9060000@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0C40C9.9060000@btconnect.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:47:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rich, No problems , The beacon saga has all ways caused a bit of a spat , or splash as in the mid band one, serious cw takes place round 502 and wspr up at the top end of the band , qrss also tends to be run at the top end to prevent the long tx pulses from blocking other activity's lower down, sometimes the mid band is taken , but once a nice trace has been seen on a remote grabber this usually stops. bit like a budgie and a mirror that sort of thing. Data linear/multi tone normally runs round 503 and rtty fsk 85/23 hz shift round 502.2 when cw/data mode changes are made, due to the equipment being vfo controlled and fsk keyed, a big qsy is not that easy or needed. To date , Andy has the only permit to run a beacon full time , as can be observed on 503.7 and at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html Beacons may be run for extended periods , but are subject to the manned / un manned clauses, interference etc Experimental work, mode comparison that sort of thing tends to run round the middle of the band so as not to interfere with the mode serious normal on going activities towards the band edges. G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:03 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz > > Dave Pick wrote: >> Finbar and Rog run their beacons around 501.3, I don't think you'll >> upset anyone down there! >> > Thanks Dave. Is Finbar's beacon always transmitting or is there some > sort of schedule? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.27/2112 - Release Date: 05/13/09 > 07:04:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD104-b984a09ee63376; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:47:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD092-b984a09ee63376; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:47:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3zo4-0006lS-U8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:46:36 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3zo4-0006lJ-Bc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:46:36 +0100 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3zo1-00082j-Kf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:46:36 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.26] (helo=16.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #91) id 1M3zo0-0005rJ-7s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 23:46:32 +0200 Received: from w0889.w.pppool.de ([89.58.8.137]:1649 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 16.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M3znz-00019P-FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 23:46:32 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:46:28 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcnTSI6U0cEfFnnHQbuKVhWt1te6ggAAhIfg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AW: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01C9D35B.DFBEFC10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C9D35B.DFBEFC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Graham, the DDS-Oscillator under this link may partial meet your requirements . http://www.box73.de/catalog/pdf/FA0407_694-695.pdf?osCsid=983aae56f383b 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI ================================= _____ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 23:25 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit , better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working even better ! Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master oscillator for tx Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) Tnx- Graham . ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C9D35B.DFBEFC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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73 de Gerhard / DK= 6NI

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Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Mai 2= 009 23:25
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: Low freq DDS VFO= any ideas / for sale etc ?

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------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C9D35B.DFBEFC10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-9cc4a0c8d2b2f6; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:29:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME078-9cc4a0c8d2b2f6; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:29:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4iTj-0001un-2S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:28:35 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4iTi-0001ue-HV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:28:34 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.68]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4iTg-0002iK-Bx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:28:34 +0100 Received: (qmail 99495 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 21:28:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=XuPvtgeEEVmjS5E0gxezNWtlJjXU4HB4A1SjuIhTdk2yzQFFvF3rBbFRJ8jJpEHnLU+fGEh4JJqPojrwVchgzc7Gd3IKxH+jSNkO5LkvNXOAL37YIJsPqJuWfj6VwINjY6D4IvTohHWkCITUCUPcLaTDeXLiADwonwwCLmzpi6I= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.9.21 with login) by smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 21:28:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: syUUyi8VM1n_p7OXIRyD6cSM.Igu2Y86QFW4UL7PL5HNGvrNp6v6CzjGQ5vycA1hOQDgPR7iFrSiWNpmYz2s_WZy0.Wi31pK_LgYsHI3tWQeiEs5KiN8pJOzjnxLdW3m0Qqggz7KBzcmi9WVRpWv_VxmZiCC0CmxqaEp0zfKmFgLo3b_2ynXhXCGC63yUtKCmUVn6nZPMrKOuQZyLQXzYQLSqNnloCc7FAS908F3KbVQJ.rP6hjUEF9ZKqKxFvm1rcCRt0R2wkECww0n5nWYWkbdFzNY_3Hz3IaPc82VAUcMR0QB X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <1D2CFF3129F34849B2A8211CF74C08FA@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> <006401c9d3f0$729cf2f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A0B0633.4040302@btconnect.com> <007201c9d4a3$7221df30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8bf118410905140842j1abe6f46h464674c2e658aaeb@mail.gmail.com> <4A0C40C9.9060000@btconnect.com> <3F715BE823444B3591E5364630602796@AGB> In-Reply-To: <3F715BE823444B3591E5364630602796@AGB> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:28:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C9D4E3.4C2C5BD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C9D4E3.4C2C5BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Richard, LF Group, Your beacon is currently peaking at about 559, with the usual deep QSB. It does seem to be stronger than previous days, although the QRN level has also gone down I think. Before dark, it was only detectable as a trace on the spectrogram display, so ground wave would seem to be marginal at 220km with your current power level. For some reason, your VFO frequency seems a little more "wobbly" at the lower frequency, but only about +/-5Hz, so not an issue for CW. I have attached a spectrogram showing about an hour's worth of signal - times are BST. The puce coloured bits of the trace are where it reached an easily copied level. 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<57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d264.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, Be aware that some of the available DDS kits use a non-temperature compensated reference oscillator and may not be suitable for longer duration QRSS work unless you take care to keep them in a constant temp environment. I ran an inexpensive DDS driving my 137kHz transmitter, and you could tell when I turned the thermostat up or down in the hamshack by the direction of drift of my QRSS 60 signals! The worst case was when I had it sitting in a rack above my oscilloscope, you should have seen the drift after using the scope and turning it off! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Graham wrote: > > Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit , > better a part completed kit=A0 would be=A0 better ...second hand working > even better ! > > Ideal would be a box with a frequency=A0 display and a key pad to > enter the=A0 frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device > > Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master > oscillator=A0 for=A0 tx > > Any=A0 ideas or=A0 links (any for=A0 sale ?) > > Tnx- Graham . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD072-b764a0c99ce31a; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:23:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD048-b764a0c99ce31a; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:23:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4jK5-0002eK-4R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:22:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4jK4-0002eB-QH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:22:40 +0100 Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.7]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4jK2-0002u0-J0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:22:40 +0100 Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M4jGz-0002gf-A7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:19:29 +0100 Received: from [84.9.191.203] (helo=d600) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1M4jGB-0007pF-BD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:18:40 +0100 Message-ID: <012a01c9d4e1$ef2f3bb0$1c00a8c0@d600> From: "Mark" To: References: <30FAE8BC34DF4B8695573FED392DE716@JimPC> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 23:18:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: grabber at ISM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Also starting to see traces of a signal on 501.6 on my grabber From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD032-b7e4a0c41073e1; Thu, 14 May 2009 12:04:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD058-b7e4a0c41073e1; Thu, 14 May 2009 12:04:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4dPA-0007Bk-Na for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:03:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4dPA-0007Bb-BV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:03:32 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.187]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4dP5-0000l1-Nv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:03:32 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host81-155-60-146.range81-155.btcentralplus.com [81.155.60.146]) by c2beaomr09.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CKY60624; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:03:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0C40C9.9060000@btconnect.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:03:21 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> <006401c9d3f0$729cf2f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A0B0633.4040302@btconnect.com> <007201c9d4a3$7221df30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8bf118410905140842j1abe6f46h464674c2e658aaeb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bf118410905140842j1abe6f46h464674c2e658aaeb@mail.gmail.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0206.4A0C40CA.00C8,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dave Pick wrote: > Finbar and Rog run their beacons around 501.3, I don't think you'll > upset anyone down there! > Thanks Dave. Is Finbar's beacon always transmitting or is there some sort of schedule? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF061-96c4a049adf244; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:49:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF072-96c4a049adf244; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:49:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2X08-000728-I3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:49:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2X07-00071z-Vg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:48:59 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2X05-0000Xk-DV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:48:59 +0100 X-Trace: 195966650/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtgEAOc2BEpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTIMOgQjCMweDdgU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,319,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="195966650" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 08 May 2009 21:47:56 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> <00b101c9d01b$bbd34790$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:47:56 +0100 Message-ID: <00bb01c9d01e$445ece70$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnQHOli67wfsckpSaiwRrmSAXQnEAAAJJfg X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham, LF, OK, I know I am not far from you but switched in the 500Hz filter & 20db attenuator & still 100 % print. Fldigi is showing -20db upper signal level, -8db SNR & signal range 69db. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 08 May 2009 21:35 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Ok Gary Ive never used this mode , but looks like a good narrow system , would go via most cw filters ? may of seen it on 160 ? G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary - G4WGT" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:29 PM To: Subject: RE: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > Graham, LF, > > It looks a little over the 100Hz bandwidth, viewing using Fldigi & SpecLab > it looks to 120Hz. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham > Sent: 08 May 2009 21:10 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > > Ok Gary , > > What do you make the BW ? looks to be just 100 Hz close in > > ? > > Tnx - G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gary - G4WGT" > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:59 PM > To: > Subject: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > >> >> Hi Graham, LF, >> >> Coming in here no problem. >> >> CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham >> Sent: 08 May 2009 20:05 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent >> >> >> Narrow , MFSK 4 running 503.000 cent freq >> >> tx set 502.000 usb / 1000 hz audio cent >> >> FLDIGI software >> >> 100 Hz bw ? how wide do you make it ? >> >> tnx- Graham >> >> G0NBD >> >> IO83LK >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2103 - Release Date: >> 05/07/09 > >> 18:05:00 >> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 > 11:43:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG014-a0b4a053decc4; Sat, 09 May 2009 04:25:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG045-a0b4a053decc4; Sat, 09 May 2009 04:25:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2hrS-0001BV-Mc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 09:24:46 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2hrS-0001BM-4f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 09:24:46 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f171.google.com ([209.85.218.171]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2hrQ-0004XS-88 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 09:24:46 +0100 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so2294231bwz.4 for ; Sat, 09 May 2009 01:24:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vuxPwa3E74tL03fTBwkdfqLsU5eQLKZ9GLSRtc3Ybwo=; b=weCkplT6ZEMbDQ1I33P9ydi+W16hlU6eMnO7uAclYwjHCdrW4nl1+TheU9UrHNVjM+ s2LjnGwh7DEh9Qb6xaJZRyeyloVRDMgf/QD10wR1swS4GykXo5cF/3JNPwl7QWgLK+DD QQDtkzr3TYdh+3ws4iZoDHA4Prc5wzq9UIc4s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=rtRkRD5yY0AhF/QzCALQMosUH5MMiHSsaEsmgr13yzlhcMr52ewVWHR0UrZ2nqSlgM X3Bly0q8GTOQYgUDaNrUwF1SdHvsLupJzq307oEzCiyk/ZfspdS4cUOs78pHWH8qs2ul RnQmIA8EY/c5VU1J3J6QcM7SUP0wfpIo/fEXk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.63.209 with SMTP id c17mr4442137bki.47.1241857475543; Sat, 09 May 2009 01:24:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A053B34.6050807@btconnect.com> References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> <4A053B34.6050807@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:24:35 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502e11eb103cc046976799a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d248.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00504502e11eb103cc046976799a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You've had several replies! Surely you should be looking at more than 100km for daylight range, Richard. See if you can hear my beacon on 503.7kHz, transmitting every 15 minutes at 04/19/34 and 49 minutes past the hour, using the same format as the RAL/ORK/WES 5MHz beacons, but PSK31 for the 30 - 48 second period. That has an ERP in the region of 23dBm and is rather less potent than most stations on the band. And BTW, I don't do QSOs - as you may have gathered from postings re 10GHz :-( Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com 2009/5/9 Richard Newstead > Richard Newstead wrote: > >> >> Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in Macclesfield? >> Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? >> >> Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I also play)? > Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > --00504502e11eb103cc046976799a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You've had several replies!

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Surely you should be looking at more than 100km for daylight range, Ric= hard.=A0 =A0See=A0 if you can hear my beacon on 503.7kHz, transmitting every= 15 minutes at 04/19/34 and 49 minutes past the hour, using the same format=20= as the RAL/ORK/WES 5MHz beacons, but PSK31 for the 30 - 48 second period.
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That has an ERP in the region of 23dBm and is rather less potent than m= ost stations on the band.=A0=A0And =A0BTW,=A0 I don't do QSOs=A0 - as yo= u may have gathered from postings re 10GHz :-(

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Andy =A0G4JNT
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2009/5/9 Richard Newstead <<= a href=3D"mailto:g3cwi@btconnect.com">g3cwi@btconnect.com>

Richard Newstead wrote:

Who is actually active on 500k= Hz within about 100km of me in Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way=20= to solicit contacts?

Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I a= lso play)? Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me?

= 73

Richard
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--00504502e11eb103cc046976799a-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF033-54f4a1c1bc1353; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:41:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF054-54f4a1c1bc1353; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:41:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8zh1-0006Wq-Uf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:39:59 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8zh1-0006Wh-Hc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:39:59 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8zgz-0004Fc-2Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:39:59 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsEAMe3G0pcGmL1/2dsb2JhbACEVcpLhAsF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.26.98.245]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 26 May 2009 17:39:43 +0100 Message-ID: <004501c9de20$928f89d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <380-2200951251697569@M2W029.mail2web.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:39:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 The only time one should be below ground is when the said person has expired. To notify OFCOM under these circumstances could be difficult (:- G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:09 PM Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV David, Try putting the dipole on the ground and earthing both ends as well as circumstances permit. In effect you will have a large vertical loop although it will be underground. This technique is the basis of much cave radio communication, and I seem to recall that one of the earliest 73 kHz above-ground experimenters (now a Silent Key) usesd this technique to set one of the distance records on that band. By the way, does the 500 kHz NoV require you to tell the authorities whether you will be working above or below ground, as was the case on 73? John F5VLF -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft� Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/24/09 07:09:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD024-b614a19830bb0; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:25:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD023-b614a19830bb0; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:25:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8HRT-0008Ut-IU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:24:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8HRT-0008Uk-8E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:24:59 +0100 Received: from mailout1.go2.pl ([193.17.41.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8HRP-0000vQ-Sr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:24:58 +0100 Received: from mailout1.go2.pl (unknown [10.0.0.104]) by mailout1.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4833000A for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from o2.pl (unknown [10.0.0.37]) by mailout1.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:40 +0200 (CEST) From: bxi@go2.pl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:39 +0200 X-Originator: 89.76.180.179 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?LF:_SP2KDS?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dr LF Group! We have now QRV 137,708kHz QRSS 3. 73! Marcin SQ2BXI SP2KDS Club From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME064-99c4a0733b426e; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:06:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME018-99c4a0733b426e; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:06:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3FHG-0001A5-Nf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:05:38 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3FHG-00019w-5H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:05:38 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.55]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3FHE-0001M1-P6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:05:38 +0100 X-Trace: 192905472/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvgEAODPBkpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTYQWsTwJjUwHgkSBMwU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,324,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="192905472" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 10 May 2009 21:05:31 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:05:31 +0100 Message-ID: <004501c9d1aa$abbfd090$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> Thread-Index: AcnRoKA7uBsqBRpqQtudtGM0QDWKmAACfbeQ X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham, LF, Latest on 3 mode test. Have de-tuned the antenna as far as I can LF using the variometer. MFSK4 has gone down to 30% print or less. ThrobX2 & PSK31 are both holding at about 98 to 100% just losing the odd character now & again with no effect on intelligibility . Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 10 May 2009 19:51 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream same text , 60 sec repeat .. PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz = 503.20k cent rf MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz = 503,00k cent rf ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz = 502.70 k cent rf Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' lock up time ? Graham -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM To: Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > All, > > Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio > > G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Graham" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM > To: > Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later > >> >> All >> >> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >> >> Tx set >> >> Dial 501.000 >> mode usb >> >> FLDIGI software > > PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >> >> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >> >> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >> >> Power 40 watts per stream >> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >> >> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >> >> Reports welcome >> >> Graham >> >> G0NBD / IO83LK >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >> 05/09/09 >> 06:54:00 >> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD092-9004a10227f3d3; Sun, 17 May 2009 10:43:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD048-9004a10227f3d3; Sun, 17 May 2009 10:43:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5hZM-0005k4-MB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 15:42:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5hZM-0005jv-5E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 15:42:28 +0100 Received: from mail-qy0-f131.google.com ([209.85.221.131]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5hZK-0007aI-Ee for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 15:42:28 +0100 Received: by qyk37 with SMTP id 37so4778602qyk.30 for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 07:42:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=euqJFa+w0XzOji/DaycQODu+ABr5LuCCJDTPdDhkvLc=; b=u6lzrKUu6fNe3c/u0YZETuf55A4CfzSLPwT6xYKP4aK3NOQvsYvB1p0PkSZkEEzxbo T4/cPJk49O4eNl0s8bF1HXCBlCjzsPLLnGwx2VP0LtOaxa9nkB6iK6fQOLbj/V3HL53c o4k6lC0OPODszxp8PnNF8eF8f1TCkmuH2tR2A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jH40nXjEdw9V0ranT1hYXC5tUKG5lgpJpdxfctJoklQhhOvHlawaAkY+62ekt4wIVc kkK7NHqcCbwB8VzMeqVuQ37JIk3Cw9k21iCsQ+hyd5xXZA3NJRlVb0iFzWZZvJKZH0D3 ztH8LLpxvgj6Pmi/lhcf9Vzw4w+Mr0PTxz8Rg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.19.194 with SMTP id c2mr5606912qab.25.1242571339935; Sun, 17 May 2009 07:42:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:42:19 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d302.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Tnx Laurence, If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will have to get some of his neighbors on. 73 Warren K2ORS On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrote: > > Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites - f= yi > 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A > > > From: ja3vqw Hiroshi > Hi Laurence > > Thanks for your e-mail. > Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last > month. > I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO with > any station. > I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz. > So if you find my signal please QSL me. > My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W. > The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long. > 73 > > > > > > Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. C= heck > it out. > _________________________________________________________________ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tu= torial_QuickAdd1_052009 --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD021-b984a081e1726f; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:46:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD092-b984a081e1726f; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:46:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Usb-0004wE-QD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:45:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Usb-0004w5-AE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:45:13 +0100 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3UsY-0007Ps-J2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:45:12 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KJH005VTCR2KM@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 14:45:03 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:45:04 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <5F483DE1E07A46888EB2D106A14A3FAD@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <24A4F797878B46638E6CBE90171EB311@ns94d01ae4d850> <4A07F352.6020105@online.fr> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: capture who.jpg Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Tu Jean-Pierre, best 73s henny pa3cpm. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ""Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)"" To: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: Re: LF: capture who.jpg Hello Henny , I think that it is Nicolas ( f4dtl ) in test ! 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj henny van elst a =E9crit : > Hi,Lf > capture who? > henny pa3cpm > best 73 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09=20 07:02:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de11.mx.aol.com (rly-de11.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.147]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE074-5154a091932192; Tue, 12 May 2009 02:37:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE116-5154a091932192; Tue, 12 May 2009 02:37:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3lbT-0001Db-LK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 07:36:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3lbT-0001DS-A0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 07:36:39 +0100 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3lbR-0003dP-2P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 07:36:38 +0100 Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by mbox2.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC07D408103 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:35:59 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74610495BA7 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:35:59 +0300 (EEST) Received: from eur-info24.infonet.com (eur-info24.infonet.com [213.31.11.24]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:35:59 +0300 Message-ID: <1242110159.4a0918cf7042f@imp.netikka.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:35:59 +0300 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> <1M3dxj-1eZn860@fwd10.t-online.de> <5A69E092D3C045358FFC4FAEB5C5C2EC@radiorummet> <4A090F9D.70308@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A090F9D.70308@btconnect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 213.31.11.24 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Richard! You probably heard the German experimental beacon DI2AM on 505.18kHz. There=20= is a cluster of German and Czech experimental/amateur beacons between 505.1 and 505.2kHz. 73's Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD Quoting Richard Newstead : > Gus wrote: > > > > > > *//* > > */I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB./* > > */Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include..../* > > */Reports are wellcome./* > > *//* > > */73 de Gus SM6BHZ/* > > > > > > > Gus > > 59 here at 2245z. I could hear another beacon about 100Hz lower than you > sending fastish CW and QRSS - any ideas? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB074-ae14a04b4858b; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:39:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB087-ae14a04b4858b; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:39:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Yhf-00089x-Mr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 23:38:03 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Yhe-00089o-VF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 23:38:03 +0100 Received: from web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.124]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Yhe-0002CN-Gh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 23:38:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 39757 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2009 22:37:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1241822274; bh=NC/DvDlLlRfuCVMLAmFlUn/OD2bfFiTvbKagF0rq1+c=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g42sgrO4XC/h7uapWpRvJN2JPwbLw2fKngbdX5jRED0HkDu0uS1NDCNJFp5yegI/Qgg30RB7THSgj/BZAjQHKXCdLXO5SU4d5LlwhpfY7Ho1UiL3EB385kBg0VInIzWeTC134ui9GPDnL6IWLmfQsqSnFR+3dexS+aaqwKpeGtY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AbxJqTj6mbV0Vo9+rk43w/ncvxemRJPaLHGDWTW2wJymAIR62MD5b91ktIjalEiYJJRYj0Mbl0kDRePfkzGIFbrOodjMNSWKDRUzdssexkNpEVrqXppE1Qk50Xouj+aYgXrIsJL1Pkdm0oPyOj8lh4OXNye1fJYb2zImYoxK3uw=; Message-ID: <982865.38712.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AEIbgEwVM1lMd62zMemDxV9PJyNgfuT.wlepO1GD7JR2wnwXkReUWufq Received: from [81.152.21.117] by web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:37:54 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 22:37:54 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Fw: Planned transmissions with SAQ in 2009 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1594465279-1241822274=:38712" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d247.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail --0-1594465279-1241822274=:38712 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- On Fri, 8/5/09, Lars Kalland wrote: From: Lars Kalland Subject: Planned transmissions with SAQ in 2009 To: sm6nm@telia.com Date: Friday, 8 May, 2009, 11:20 AM =C2=A0 =C2=A0 GRIMETON RADIO/SAQ =C2=A0PLANNED=20 TRANSMISSIONS, SUMMER AND AUTUMN 2009=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 There will hopefully be transmissions with the Alexanderson alternator on 17= .2 kHz, CW (A1A) at the following dates and times during 2009:=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 1)=20 Tuesday, May 19 2009 at 07:00 and 07:30 UTC.=20 There will be a transmission to celebrate the Japanese VLF-station Josami Ra= dio/JND when it will be nominated to Institute of Electrical and Electronics= Engineers (IEEE) Milestone and also celebrate its start 80 years ago. The r= adio station is now a museum.=20 No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 2)=20 Sunday, May 24 2009 at 10:55 UTC.=20 A transmission will take place to celebrate the First Swedish Coast Radio St= ation and 100 years of Karlskrona Radio/SAA. The station is still working on= military frequencies.=20 No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 3)=20 Sunday, June 28 at 09:00 and 12:00 UTC.=20 The annual transmission on =E2=80=9CAlexander Day=E2=80=9D. The station is o= pen to visitors.=20 We are glad to receive reports and will exchange QSL-cards.=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 4)=20 Saturday, October 24 at 09:00 UTC.=20 As last year we will transmit on United Nations Day.=20 No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 5)=20 Thursday, December 24, Christmas Eve at 08:00 UTC.=20 The Christmas transmission as before.=20 The stations is open to visitors.=20 We are glad to receive reports and will exchange QSL-cards.=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 We will start tuning up some 30 minutes before message.=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 Also read our web site: www.alexander.n.se=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 QSL-reports are, when indicated, kindly received via:=20 =C2=A0=20 - E-mail to: info@alexander.n.se=20 =C2=A0=20 - or fax to: +46-340-674195=20 =C2=A0=20 - or via: SM bureau=20 =C2=A0=20 - or direct by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton Veteranradios Vaenner, Radiosta= tionen, Grimeton 72=20 S-430 16 ROLFSTORP=20 S =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0W=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 E=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 D=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 E=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 N=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 Yours=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 Lars Kalland=20 SM6NM =20 --0-1594465279-1241822274=:38712 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

--- On Fri, 8/5/09, Lars Kalland <lars.kal= land@telia.com> wrote:

From: Lars Kalland <lars.kalland@telia.com>Subject: Planned transmissions with SAQ in 2009
To: sm6nm@telia.com
= Date: Friday, 8 May, 2009, 11:20 AM

=

GRIMETON RADIO/= SAQ
PLANNED=20
TRANSMISSIONS,=20= SUMMER AND AUTUMN 2009=20
= =20
= =20
= =20
There=20= will hopefully be transmissions with the Alexanderson alternator on 17.2 kHz= , CW (A1A) at the following dates and times during 2009:=20
= =20
= =20
1)<= /SPAN>=20
= Tuesday, May 19 2009 at <= /B>07:00 an= d 07:30 UTC.
There=20= will be a transmission to celebrate the Japanese VLF-station Josami Radio/JN= D when it will be nominated to Institute of Electrica= l and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) Milestone and also celebrate its start 80= years ago. The radio station is now a museum.=20
No report= s required and no QSL-cards are given.=20
=20
=20
2)=20
Sun= day, May 24 2009 at 10:55 UTC.
A transmi= ssion will take place to celebrate the First Swedish Coast Radio Station and= 100 years of Karlskrona Radio/SAA. The station is still working on military= frequencies.=20
No report= s required and no QSL-cards are given.=20
=20
=20
3)=20
Sun= day, June 28 at 09:00 and 12:00 UTC.
The annua= l transmission on =E2=80=9CAlexander Day=E2=80=9D. The station is open to vi= sitors.=20
We are gl= ad to receive reports and will exchange QSL-cards.=20
=20
=20
4)=20
Sat= urday, October 24 at 09:00 UTC.=20
As last y= ear we will transmit on United Nations Day.
No report= s required and no QSL-cards are given.=20
=20
=20
5)=20
Thu= rsday, December 24, Christmas Eve at 08:00 UTC.
The Chris= tmas transmission as before.
The stati= ons is open to visitors.=20
We are gl= ad to receive reports and will exchange QSL-cards.=20
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We wil= l start tuning up some 30 minutes before message.=20
= =20
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Also r= ead our web site: www.alexander.n.se=20
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QSL-re= ports are, when indicated, kindly received via:=20
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- E-ma= il to: info@alexander.n.se=20
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- or f= ax to: +46-340-674195=20
= =20
- or v= ia: SM bureau=20
= =20
- or d= irect by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton Veteranradios Vaenner, Radiostationen= , Grimeton 72=20
S-4= 30 16 ROLFSTORP=20
S    W    E &nb= sp; D    E   =20= N=20
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Yours<= /SPAN>=20
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Lars K= alland=20
SM6NM<= /SPAN>

=20 --0-1594465279-1241822274=:38712-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME043-9de4a03241ab0; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:10:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME102-9de4a03241ab0; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:10:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2829-0002M9-NB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:09:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2829-0002M0-55 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:09:25 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f213.google.com ([209.85.217.213]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2827-0006Pu-4t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:09:25 +0100 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so2005316gxk.4 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:09:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RqUBkZn4SHV2GoxgLpZmyhCtOd/6uA35AmJS35gNYZU=; b=mbpnxrF2Myou74KgHGk7JDud8f3gMMHB0U5TnGo8q/yjf3YZKrtUqY6JZhDIRMVTnn TY8d3InOFmVJXrySh8jb8EJYFRYMEb9cdkakeCjsj4jvllxXp6afqbGcfEAonzyCLmg7 yx3+yY4uU330Lta1obYT02RZaENyaJxhrlZ4c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZeY9qeJvP6EwyuJMSTM4046DpLr+0V1zR/h8A77pb5iEyVIiGBqILwI49UJKncr/k+ HlGtAN2BvMEFAcUFLKrTHjtNSlrwTlzA4aKFYtTwLF8mcpqO6jbXB/IyaCWt9S9i2x+5 GJzsYoDQyutvF6SY3E32RjuJRh7pmaZ3xObaw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.88.17 with SMTP id l17mr2309931agb.2.1241719756113; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:09:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <002801c9cf20$9c4dfe70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <008501c9ce63$c07ecf30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905061229w6c853f60w291cca01c39eec09@mail.gmail.com> <002801c9cf20$9c4dfe70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:09:16 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905071109yf108b14mce42ee2169148545@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Decca 5501Jeep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m255.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal, I have run continuous carrier for 2.5+ hours, that's equivalent to QRSS 9000 ! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:32 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > Read what I said > > I said 120, 240 or FSK where the duty cyle is high. I did not mention > 60!!!!!!!!!! > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Decca 5501Jeep > > > Mal, > > =A0 You couldn't be more wrong!!! > I have been running a Decca in QRSS 60 for several years now at full > power + often overnight and occasionally for days at time with ZERO > transmitter failures. The Decca runs cool at 1.4 - 1.5 kW DC input. > Perhaps you are not allowing for sufficient air circulation through > the heat sinks. My Decca is in a rack with plenty of clearance above > and below for the air to circulate. I don't think that it's a good > idea to run the Decca sitting on a table as I've seen done in some > shack pictures. > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 > > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM, mal hamilton wrot= e: >> >> The old decca Jeep 5501 cannot strand LMCW 120, 240 or dfcw for long, 3 o= r >> 10 sec dot or normal cw is about their limit on full power. >> I have 2 units (6 modules) but prefer my home brew with robust FETS on 13= 7 >> Khz. >> I likewise have a h/brew fet pa for 500 Khz class E and it is virtually >> indestructable when correctly adjusted using a scope. >> >> G3KEV > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.19/2099 - Release Date: 05/05/09 > 13:07:00 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG083-59f4a00df41138; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:52:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG014-59f4a00df41138; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:52:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1VM9-0004dP-KK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 01:51:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1VM9-0004dG-5C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 01:51:29 +0100 Received: from fish2.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.163]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1VM7-0007av-97 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 01:51:29 +0100 Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.204.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.204]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 98EC28FBD2D for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 20:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.204.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.204]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca with SMTP id 5MXXYNJgOUW8Z2H7 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000201c9cde4$c3008ac0$0b01a8c0@weazle> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: References: <20090505145733.ZR0ZK.2161725.root@mp14> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 01:51:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: XES 137.779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi John, LFers, Your DFCW signals are pounding into Saltford this evening! I'm running SpecLab in one box and Spectran in the other, and it's interesting to see the differences in how they copy. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 EN93dr http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-b314a0482a0203; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:06:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC075-b314a0482a0203; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:06:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2VNg-00062f-SY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:05:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2VNg-00062W-Do for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:05:12 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.191] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2VNd-0007qZ-2a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:05:11 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3616.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EC3BF7000082 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 21:05:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.36.218]) by mwinf3616.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 6A7C97000081 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 21:04:59 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090508190459436.6A7C97000081@mwinf3616.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:04:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Narrow , MFSK 4 running 503.000 cent freq tx set 502.000 usb / 1000 hz audio cent FLDIGI software 100 Hz bw ? how wide do you make it ? tnx- Graham G0NBD IO83LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC012-d674a142bca13b; Wed, 20 May 2009 12:12:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC037-d674a142bca13b; Wed, 20 May 2009 12:11:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6oNd-000378-HQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 17:10:57 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6oNd-00036z-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 17:10:57 +0100 Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.6]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6oNa-0002nt-QP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 17:10:57 +0100 Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B69E08080 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 18:10:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A14FE0805E for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 18:10:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A142B89.4030209@online.fr> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 18:10:49 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A141D15.7000309@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4A141D15.7000309@gmx.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello , Warren , good copy of your full callsing last night ! Hartmut, very happy to find you among us ! 73 's Jean-Pierre f1afj Hartmut Wolff a =E9crit : > Great signal here in Germany: > > http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de06.mx.aol.com (rly-de06.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.142]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE052-4df4a1356ad2b5; Tue, 19 May 2009 21:02:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE062-4df4a1356ad2b5; Tue, 19 May 2009 21:02:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6aBc-0007Qj-IT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 02:01:36 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6aBc-0007Qa-5Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 02:01:36 +0100 Received: from smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.19]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6aBa-0006HV-Gf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 02:01:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 24002 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 01:01:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=xnVGW3EQBsb/45Qhd4N7R3R8MbQDNbKrlsJW/O1Fw6L8C72T9EGog8FMS0te4U5PhG382ZvD2bNXn2q621SAO1kSzHtGIQCGOM8ZzDRm64JHPo3P5bjan/GlWayf3A4h4lyYEGPp8k297mI9xEkBiWy55jl2RPn8sQsp1JG9ZBg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 01:01:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ppGREDQVM1l6Bfk0XXqH.WboWkFKAWgKJVNdpP_gaQhs89ynWvcRdoqpo_S.yyfWKm8g9z9U2yAfB0mHKveHECgiGt32hue.aENjoqkkAivN_U4XqAWef_pfKEwdkMisjD16iS0nU8ProLj0lny_S5MunhnC2bQFb9ATAjP9JK83yGgf_ne.M2_VabQPvEYFdwjyv8.SogYfKVZGAEeLkk_iDcz7EU7ygOIIl_y9CJYyHoFb31SImepu5vcfhCQrWOPWRyFFUOTkDqBHDTVYHM2_T99ZhAc.dBaWEWW.pvZjuBcNGCU- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 02:01:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Gary, LF Group, An image of 518kHz at 506kHz implies LO = 512kHz? You could change the LO frequency to 500kHz, although then you would not be able to receive signals on that spot frequency. You could also try optimising the amplitude/phase "tweaks" in the software to give maximum rejection of the unwanted sideband at 518kHz. A simple notch filter with high rejection will inevitably have significant loss at nearby frequencies - there is a trade-off between Q, depth of notch, loss of wanted signal and frequency difference between wanted signal and notch frequencies. This can be improved by adding aditional components, e.g. adding a series capacitor to a parallel-tuned trap can "tune out" the loss at a frequency below the notch frequency. It is feasible to get something like a few dB loss at 504kHz with 20 - 25dB at 518kHz. More complicated designs like Andy's have a much nicer response shape, but may require unachieveably high inductor Q to get the design response. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-a604a05eb531c9; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:45:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA038-a604a05eb531c9; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:45:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2tPO-0003Cn-QO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:44:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2tPO-0003Ce-Er for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:44:34 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2tPL-0007lk-BF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:44:33 +0100 X-Trace: 196452345/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroEAGeIBUpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTYQVvwYHg3cF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,322,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="196452345" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 May 2009 21:44:31 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090509223823.4rn5v6igldwkcc08@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 21:44:31 +0100 Message-ID: <007601c9d0e6$f4140ce0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090509223823.4rn5v6igldwkcc08@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnQ5nPDAtpEg5qiS/GpbSkHkKQvXQAACkjA X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Rik, Thanks for report. No wind tonight so I am running higher power despite the droopy top load, vertical antenna only at 9 metres high. 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 09 May 2009 21:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 503.600KHz Test Gary, 559 here 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > LF, > > > > G4WGT testing 503.600KHz qrss05 & 6wpm ID, 1 watt ERP. > > > > Reports welcome. > > > > 73, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD061-b714a0764682; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:34:18 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD043-b714a0764682; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:34:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3IVr-00031d-0o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:32:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3IVq-00031U-KE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:32:54 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.191] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3IVo-0002o7-1O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:32:54 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3608.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 37F8B7000083 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:32:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3608.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id EF7207000081 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:32:46 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510233246980.EF7207000081@mwinf3608.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6CAB0066191C4E76B92C8821061A1CB9@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <1B3950C0CC6641F29CD92B0269A04581@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <1B3950C0CC6641F29CD92B0269A04581@JimPC> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 00:32:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 3 Mode Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks for that Jim, Seems its close between the mfsk and throb systems , I found the throb mode=20 worked best last night may be its down to the noise format , but psk31 appears to of produced the=20 highest error rates at all locations , Rik reporting the throb system printing quite well Tnx- Graham . -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Moritz" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:27 PM To: Subject: LF: Re: 3 Mode Beacon > > Dear Graham, LF Group, > > Have been watching your test for an hour or so. At the peaks of the fades, > all 3 modes decode quite well:- > > MSK4: > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com > > ThrobX 2: > CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD > CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD > QSL G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM G0NBD@HOTMAIL.CO > > PSK31: > e C > CQ 1Q d0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > qsl nbd@hotmail.aom g0nbd@hotmail.com > > > When the signal levels are down, MSK4 seems most robust, with Throb > somewhere in the middle:- > > t=B98n=B0 ND > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com > > 3-LNBD G0NBD G0NBD > CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD > QSL G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM > > CQ CQ d > g0nId g0e > d g0nbd > iQ CQ CQ de g0p > p .0=CAwg > eet > g tloTail.=B0 > > Watching the decodes, I am seeing that PSK31 is vulnerable to static > crashes - each loud burst of QRN corrupts a few characters, while the=20 > other > modes seem to tolerate this better. This is similar to previous=20 > experience. > When the QRN is not present, the PSK31 is nearly as good as the other=20 > modes. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09= =20 > 07:02:00 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB031-cec4a226c9a3bb; Sun, 31 May 2009 07:40:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB018-cec4a226c9a3bb; Sun, 31 May 2009 07:40:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAjNi-0000Fb-Q2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:39:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAjNi-0000FR-9Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:39:14 +0100 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAjNb-0001xr-I6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:39:14 +0100 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a226c54116; Sun, 31 May 2009 07:39:00 -0400 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c47.5a38144d (39954) for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 07:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 07:38:55 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: F6BWO F4DTL Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_c47.5a38144d.3753c64f_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_c47.5a38144d.3753c64f_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1243769934" -------------------------------1243769934 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanx Jeff for this new QSO with you 3 french stations are active on 2200m today, F1AFJ,F6BWO and F4DTL. 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Thanx Jeff for this new QSO with you

3 french stations are active on 2200m today, F1AFJ,F6BWO and F4DTL.=20 Wow.

F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP
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PA3CPM 25dB over noise in Argo set to 3s dots X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) At 1349z. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD091-b7f4a0c9876372; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:17:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:16:49 +0100 Message-ID: <012601c9d4e1$add2c010$1c00a8c0@d600> From: "Mark" To: References: <30FAE8BC34DF4B8695573FED392DE716@JimPC> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 23:16:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 just reset the wspr system remotely..i am in England atm... slow connection so first spot has wrong freq! ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:05 PM Subject: LF: WSPR beacon > Dear LF Group, > > I am running a WSPR mode beacon again on 502.4kHz "dial frequency", > 503.905kHz RF out. Any reports would be very welcome. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 30/04/2009 17:53 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME033-9c24a05d9983d5; Sat, 09 May 2009 15:29:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME066-9c24a05d9983d5; Sat, 09 May 2009 15:29:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2sDe-0002nN-5A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 20:28:22 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2sDd-0002nE-Oh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 20:28:21 +0100 Received: from smtpq4.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net ([212.54.42.167]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2sDX-0007DC-U8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 20:28:21 +0100 Received: from [212.54.42.144] (helo=smtp13.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq4.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M2sDT-0004hw-So for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:28:11 +0200 Received: from 5353c3dc.cable.casema.nl ([83.83.195.220] helo=P43000) by smtp13.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M2sDS-0006gl-Ef for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:28:10 +0200 From: "Willem De Roode" To: Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 21:28:09 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c9d0dc$4945bf20$dbd13d60$@nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnQ3EjISfgQtOzVRye5u7OkI2x99A== Content-Language: nl X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1M2sDS-0006gl-Ef X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.538, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_20 -0.74, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY 0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: wdr@casema.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.699 Subject: LF: digi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C9D0ED.0CCE8F20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C9D0ED.0CCE8F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fldigi oke ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C9D0ED.0CCE8F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C9D0ED.0CCE8F20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC074-aff4a01ae8df3; Wed, 06 May 2009 11:36:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC013-aff4a01ae8df3; Wed, 06 May 2009 11:36:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1j9h-0005zn-HF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:35:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1j9h-0005ze-6s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:35:33 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr06.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.184]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1j9e-0003u4-UF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:35:32 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr06.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id BLJ98541; Wed, 6 May 2009 16:35:23 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A01AE3C.3080805@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:35:24 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr06.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0201.4A01AE3D.01C2,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Test Message Only Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Please ignore. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC052-b3b4a1dc72b298; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:05:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC087-b3b4a1dc72b298; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:05:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9SAf-0000vL-Rq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:04:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9SAf-0000vC-Fg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:04:29 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9SAc-0002Jf-PH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:04:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 18252 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2009 23:04:21 -0000 Received: from 85.178.103.129 by www145.gmx.net with HTTP; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:04:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:04:20 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: <009301c9df19$1a61c000$6551e00a@bxi> Message-ID: <20090527230420.259760@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4A19A7E4.4030606@btconnect.com> <84D65F58F723418B8DC8672A3B10C875@64683d74b6134b3> <4A1AB588.2070603@btconnect.com> <84EEB64668A34793A28A4B2B3E8DACE6@64683d74b6134b3> <4A1B9B85.3070501@btconnect.com> <20090527165022.288760@gmx.net> <009301c9df19$1a61c000$6551e00a@bxi> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19RpUhgYwJREb7vSB5mvdwIXpOJt7pDcCdzb2pIoj 8DHYWM+zg484ub9Zknb2mFvN3Fn/FnFT69Qg== X-GMX-UID: wPQveUlSPTR+d+nWDzIw8x05c2tpZMuH X-FuHaFi: 0.59 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Subject: LF: reports SM6BHZ OK0EMW DI2AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 some Reports 505kHz - 506kHz 25.V.2009 DL6NVC qth Berlin JO62RM RX homemade, ANT wireloop abt.15sqm, 10m agl. inside a linden tree 110Hz-CW-Filter 20:43Z – 20:52Z 505kHz / DI2AM 329 / OK0EMW 229 21:10Z – 21:31Z 506kHz SM6BHZ QSB peak 449 SSB-Filter 21:32Z SM6BHZ 349 21:33Z SM6BHZ SSB „there is something“ RS 22 21:34Z SM6BHZ 239 back to 110Hz-Filter 21:53Z – 21:55Z SM6BHZ 459 22:03Z SM6BHZ peaking 559 back to SSB-Filter 22:04Z SM6BHZ CW 549 22:06Z SM6BHZ SSB „some voice“ RS 22 22:07Z SM6BHZ CW 439 22:08Z SM6BHZ SSB 22 22:09Z SM6BHZ CW 329 still SSB-Filter 22:22Z DI2AM 549 22:23Z OK0EMW 439 22:25Z SM6BHZ SSB 22 22:41Z SM6BHZ 329 22:43Z SM6BHZ 229 Nice to hear some signals on 600m :) Good night. Dennis DL6NVC -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG093-9f549fb50baba; Fri, 01 May 2009 15:43:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG017-9f549fb50baba; Fri, 01 May 2009 15:42:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Lzybu-0004DH-On for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 20:41:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Lzybu-0004D8-5t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 20:41:26 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lzybs-00015p-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 20:41:26 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQFALPs+klcGJs//2dsb2JhbACCKCuBeoc6BsNtg30F Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.24.155.63]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 01 May 2009 20:40:17 +0100 Message-ID: <006c01c9ca94$a87832f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 20:40:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Static 137 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01C9CA9D.09F2C0B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C9CA9D.09F2C0B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vy heavy static crashes tonite on 137 Kcs. mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C9CA9D.09F2C0B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Vy heavy static crashes tonite on 137=20 Kcs.

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1M56ks-0005WI-Go for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 00:23:55 +0100 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a0df97335a; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:23:41 -0400 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.d56.27e2ed61 (34977) for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host-92-0-194-169.as43234.net [92.0.194.169]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA082-88a14a0df96e294; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:23:27 -0400 From: pat gillen To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <007a01c9d58f$45a60e80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <007a01c9d58f$45a60e80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 00:23:26 +0100 Message-Id: <1242429806.11120.6.camel@pat-desktop-dell> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: BC-221-T Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Mal, Alan 3nyk and myself were just discussing those a couple of days ago. We wondered how many of us were left who knew how to use a BC221 or similar het. unit. Don't think I can quite qualify as being old enough to have known the man who made yours though. Better question, however, is can you still read the initials on the cal charts? On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 19:59 +0100, mal hamilton wrote: > I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would make a nice OSC/driver for MF. > It is mint condx but has not been used for years. Some will be > familiar with this unit, vintage WWII made in the USA (ZENITH RADIO > CORPORATION CHICAGO) Maybe someone knows the man that made it !! > > mal/g3kev > -- 73 de Pat G4GVW QTH Nr. Felixstowe (East Coast of UK) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD044-b634a04917e2d3; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:09:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD025-b634a04917e2d3; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:09:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2WNF-0006Wu-AT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:08:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2WNE-0006Wl-Ut for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:08:48 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.74]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2WNC-0008VC-ET for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:08:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 94502 invoked from network); 8 May 2009 20:08:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=WoJLyaReHTq3km/UBD8i1cVNAYI9Qldpt1pZiskjjSV1pQxilC3bEC9TBKAGncwSKGAWnw0DeGAfsDBkn8Yo1vEjqw1AyOOL0J12kS+Zfnb+or72hsbJVLo1s4zn/9WdHLpqgy6QrVxZ1j+yAtGkvzoSaQY8mF/LVLVRBHCeb4U= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.109.224 with login) by smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2009 20:08:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8HxbVFsVM1kowfrurI40lvwehLVdTj7MmUZVC3trGWALWXDcVWLJUQYsrQ9xeB_zjmyBvXevwSu_Oojos3jj1Q.CIG8GlEah8nq_Z8.Vk1O0qZqWjyIYguIlvlZ_qsaeatJhseiZrhx4wYsrFIl281V9xcTfmCNVfBldjmXeDHV4eFGpLzjWwmf_L.efwkh1xHphQ3EIBKFTNwUgQ1knbjMH8h8jH8DHm.Ka6meY41Le31xSlaVn5dvGoOiS2A5DTxJaBTJMI_TYudNq.mnjf5EAm6x.bVdWaQRaeOz.7Hz_JxoTXNOq X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <88d2415e0905080655s4000e8fdyc08621bbb8686b45@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905080655s4000e8fdyc08621bbb8686b45@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:08:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Activity / G0NBD Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Laurie, Graham, LF Group, Currently getting good copy of G0NBD in MFSK4 mode on 503.0kHz Re other activity - I am still struggling here with my local noise problems. I am testing a two-antenna phasing arrangement, and have made some progress in discovering the reason it wasn't working is that there are two sources of similar "white" sounding noise - one being the broadcast TX site nearby, while the other is the phone line carrying the ADSL signal. Unplugging my broadband modem makes things work quite well, and I can then get the noise down 30dB or more by adjusting the antenna phasing. Wrapping about 20 turns of the incoming phone cable round a SMPS ferrite core is also fairly effective, although it does not eliminate the ADSL noise completely. So I am hoping to have a reasonable receive capability again soon on 500k. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME083-9ac4a1566aa302; Thu, 21 May 2009 10:35:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME038-9ac4a1566aa302; Thu, 21 May 2009 10:35:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M79MJ-0007SD-N8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:34:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M79MJ-0007S2-BH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:34:59 +0100 Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com ([209.85.221.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M79MF-0008L0-R1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:34:58 +0100 Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10so703529qyk.30 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:34:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QVf/6o3OwpVx8AZWOZvU+QUm01gu2sehXgBbnVbAmj8=; b=KV/ax2mfUN9hVKoIsbMM2o5b/VtEG2wqNzWKfzXAzf7p6DVezZXC8vYF6zjKX+BdVm Y0caCd0S0s2QA72m19CGYk6RbkrfDGmTRNaGAkbNTRXF2xr/4goo/cg9Ojtno7z9QCVm nuWIvxY8HrO5LUND+wicCDp4pKS5TXPoFRt8E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PYqe4RqdM5IEiRYqx04IUFS9QuOJS3rMtqrhF0LzpRc5kdAJerii07XihJtXypMODa +xpvEb729Rtm5IRw7Tk5evdZP5w079E8yxU+JLFMy4M0iQJXooTShd4ZczTgSTFSoO/h CUses1Kw3pVpVKznmhJdI7KxmCeHRK8h0IVPw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.60.70 with SMTP id o6mr2656419qah.105.1242916489999; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:34:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A142B89.4030209@online.fr> References: <4A141D15.7000309@gmx.de> <4A142B89.4030209@online.fr> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:49 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905210734k10d71001w496d1d5363b31dd1@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d264.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the 'grabber'! On 5/20/09, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hello , > Warren , good copy of your full callsing last night ! > Hartmut, very happy to find you among us ! > 73 's Jean-Pierre f1afj > > Hartmut Wolff a =E9crit : >> Great signal here in Germany: >> >> http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm >> > > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC093-b034a0689161cd; Sun, 10 May 2009 03:58:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC017-b034a0689161cd; Sun, 10 May 2009 03:58:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M33uh-0006Uo-2a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:57:35 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M33ug-0006Uf-MR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:57:34 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M33ue-00078R-WB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:57:34 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CE57B8053 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:56:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C7D31E702 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:56:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6DB735A41; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:56:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 221.47-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (221.47-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.47.221]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:56:54 +0200 Message-ID: <20090510095654.xh9zsb9jlzfkgos8@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:56:54 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> <00b101c9d01b$bbd34790$6401a8c0@asus> <20090508233722.rtzv6nsxw9j4wsgc@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090508233722.rtzv6nsxw9j4wsgc@webmail4.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.47.221 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all, last night I worked Graham in THROBX2 mode and a bit later in PSK31. Under the given conditions (lot of QRN and QSB) THROBX performed better than PSK31. MFSK4 seems far inferior (at least here). Nice to have a 2-way data QSO on 500 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5324a11c1adef; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:14:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF025-5324a11c1adef; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:14:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M69Dp-0001pH-IG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:14:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M69Dp-0001p8-5g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:14:05 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M69Dn-0005hY-1a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:14:05 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3542.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 794BD1C00087 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 22:13:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.31.18]) by mwinf3542.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id F25F61C00081 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 22:13:53 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090518201353992.F25F61C00081@mwinf3542.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <9568EA4B7F4F41E8B3C24916AEB685B6@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:13:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Beacon - 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard, Links to some ccts etc :- http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/low-frequency-converters Depends on what you intending to run and at home or portable ? couple of nice home made ones about ... I went for the army surplus special method .. not quite sure which is the more difficult ..getting one running that did or one that has not 'yet' G Nb if you find any projects , add them to the page . -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:42 PM To: Subject: LF: Beacon - 500kHz > > I heard someone beaconing on 501.1kHz at 2030 local tonight. Just too > weak to make out the call. Got "test" and QSK before they stopped. > > My beacon is on 501.8 now. > > Any recommended transverter designs for LF? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > - > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: 05/18/09 > 06:28:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA074-8bc4a044866122; Fri, 08 May 2009 10:57:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA076-8bc4a044866122; Fri, 08 May 2009 10:57:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2RVT-0004xC-9G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:56:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2RVS-0004x3-RX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:56:58 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2RVP-0004Q6-Vz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:56:58 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao0GAKPkA0pZ8qTH/2dsb2JhbACEUMw0g30F Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.164.199]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 08 May 2009 15:56:49 +0100 Message-ID: <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <00a201c9ce65$850fe540$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <6BA400053F4E4A45935BEA7FF2FC10EC@JimPC> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:56:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Jim You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it simple. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz Portable > Dear Richard, LF Group, > > I would suggest using an "umbrella" top-loaded vertical using a telescopic > fibreglass mast. From experience, antennas with horizontal sections like > inverted Ls or Ts have the disadvantage of requiring at least two masts > (unless there is a suitable support already on your hilltop), and are a > real > handful when the wind starts blowing due to the masts flexing, requiring > several guys to keep the antenna in shape. The umbrella is somewhat less > efficient for the same overall height, but only needs a single mast, and > the > sloping top loading wires double as guys to keep the mast straight. The > height is the most important dimension. A 10m mast would make a reasonable > 500kHz antenna. > > For a reasonable estimate of antenna capacitance, assume 6pF per meter of > wire. For antennas with a number of wires running close together, such as > an > umbrella, the actual capacitance will be a bit lower due to proximity > effects, but this is a good first estimate. You can use NEC antenna > simulators to calculate the capacitance quite accurately, although the > resistance will probably be way off. Small antennas will have very sharp > resonance, so you will want to add a variometer to your loading coil, or > some other means of fine tuning. G4FGQ's DOS software runs fine in a DOS > box > under Windows 98 and Vista here. > > For insulated ground radials to work well, their capacitance to ground > needs > to be much larger than that of the antenna, so you probably want a few > hundred metres of wire in total. If the ground is soft, a few 1m ground > rods > connected together works well as a ground. > > There is a lot of handy info on LF antennas at > http://www.wireless.org.uk/on7yd/index.htm > > > Hope to work you /P soon... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > >> >>> Dear all >>> >>> I am hoping to be granted an NoV for portable operating on 500kHz. I >>> have parts on order for the GW3UEP Economy transmitter which will be run >>> on 12 Volts. Suggestions for portable aerials that can be set-up by one >>> person on remote and windy hilltops will be most welcome. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Richard >>> G3CWI >>> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.19/2099 - Release Date: 05/05/09 13:07:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG013-a0e4a19a1e829e; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:37:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG048-a0e4a19a1e829e; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:37:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JV2-0001EU-PY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:36:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JV2-0001EK-E1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:36:48 +0100 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl ([193.17.41.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8JUy-0001ik-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:36:47 +0100 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl (d4 [127.0.0.1]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B835BE19 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:36:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from o2.pl (unknown [10.0.0.37]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:36:43 +0200 (CEST) From: bxi@go2.pl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <3c01eff9.1a141ba6.4a198f4f.b955c@o2.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3151782c.6d18128b.4a19a1ca.1121b@o2.pl> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:36:42 +0200 X-Originator: 89.76.180.179 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?RE:_LF:_SP2KDS?= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="==o2.pl-WebMail-19803e23.34c740d5.1125c==" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --==o2.pl-WebMail-19803e23.34c740d5.1125c== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos! 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85.178.114.54 by www186.gmx.net with HTTP; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:57:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:57:00 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <20090525135700.108790@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18IW+hjezAIhxlOaWayp6WVwkaCt4iDwMGLuEXK8x mNqTQZd1s/kN8X0d9hOzP3OVQKgkTdje033w== X-GMX-UID: ntkvIhRAZDIrLrDWRGY2e0h5emhmY8H3 X-FuHaFi: 0.59 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Richard! I'm interested in Your /p antenna discussion :) > 1) T antenna. Am I right in thinking that in the classical T > configuration, the horizontal part of the aerial is only there to add > capacity - i.e. it makes no contribution to the groundwave? If so, I > assume that I can use very thin wire for the T? Well, as far as I understand antennas, the horizontal wires are part of the electrical length of the antenna. There will be current flowing into these horizontal branches, hence in any case losses will occour there. Another question is of course: How big these losses are, and if the additional losses are better, than not climbing your hill due to a too-heavy antenna? >From the "meeting point" of the vertical and horizontal parts, the horizontal currents are fed into opposite directions, so if both horizontal wires are exactly the same length, height, over similar ground, no houses and other wiring disturbing the fields, ... , (lets call it "free space" like antenna books do ;) ) , the radiation of the horizontal parts cancel out each other at some distance, pure vertical polarization remaining. > > 2) In the more likely configuration with "horizontal" wires actually > acting as an inverted V can I still use very thin wire without reducing > performance? Anyone with simulation capabilities out there? Remember, that as others just said, sloping horizontal parts do reduce the effective antenna height and decrease efficiency. So 4 (or 6) shorter wires may act better than 2 longer wires. > 3) Is there any benefit to be gained by having an inductor at the top of > the vertical section of the T? I've read somethere: Yes it is, because lower current -> lower losses, even though the coil has to be bigger (may be mechanical problem?) > If so, will the loss of the inductor be > relevant if the part of the antenna above it (the T wires) don't > contribute to useful radiation? Yes, relevant. Again, although horizontal polarization cancels out at least "in free space", there is current flowing up there. > 73 Dennis DL6NVC Berlin -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss f�r nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF073-95849fbf0d6355; Sat, 02 May 2009 03:06:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF046-95849fbf0d6355; Sat, 02 May 2009 03:06:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M09Gp-0005sm-Vo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 08:04:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M09Gp-0005sd-8h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 08:04:23 +0100 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M09Gm-0003qq-ST for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 08:04:23 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KJ000L8D8Z0AV@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 09:04:12 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 09:04:14 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <0F4A7019711D4AA3802B1ECF85C4060F@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RU 02-05.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_lk6MIC/WgsdsWH/PMR4j+w)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_lk6MIC/WgsdsWH/PMR4j+w) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_D2WvyKqfw4Qrvvva4kqGQg)" --Boundary_(ID_D2WvyKqfw4Qrvvva4kqGQg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Lf, capture RU, Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: ru 02-05.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Message-ID: <7ED4E103A61B462EB9BBD98AB79610B1@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <108EF969E1FE4E14821FD0B03287232F@JimPC> <20090524213307.sbrh6ea8x2g4og4s@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090524213307.sbrh6ea8x2g4og4s@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:37:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Rik, LF Group, At the moment (2030utc), they are transmitting a CW beacon signal on 503.1kHz, apparently the same signal level as before. QRN is getting very heavy here. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:33 PM Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV > nil from G0MRF here (until 19:30 UTC) > Are they QRV ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE043-4bc4a196c7799; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:49:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE027-4bc4a196c7799; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:49:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Fw4-0008F9-JR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:48:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Fw4-0008F0-6h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:48:28 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Fw2-0007MV-2S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:48:28 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsEAJEJGUpZ8+0p/2dsb2JhbACEVMtlhAsF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.243.237.41]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 16:48:17 +0100 Message-ID: <006b01c9dc87$0e4be3c0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> <14D90153B05D421EB30356D325877C2D@JimPC> <4A196840.1090803@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:48:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Don't risk it. You might set the heather on FIRE !!!! G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:31 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: First Portable Trip > Dear all > > Someone has suggested running a sloping wire down a cliff and top > feeding it. This is an interesting idea. Extending on that idea, if the > lower end of the wire was connected to some radials and the upper ends > was fed against earth might that work? Instead of a capacity hat it > would perhaps be a capacity bottom antenna. Setting up such a system > could be hard though. I have not abseiled in a long time. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 07:00:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-9bc4a2240aa2db; Sun, 31 May 2009 04:32:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME058-9bc4a2240aa2db; Sun, 31 May 2009 04:32:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAgSQ-0007e9-AO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:31:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAgSP-0007e0-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:31:53 +0100 Received: from smtpout02.highway.telekom.at ([213.33.98.152] helo=smtp.a1.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAgSN-00088w-CG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) 136.7kHz, solid copy in JN67tw, QRB abt. 40km 73 Heinz From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-a7c4a2133362ae; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:23:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA074-a7c4a2133362ae; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:23:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAOVv-0001Ja-Nr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:22:19 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAOVv-0001JR-5F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:22:19 +0100 Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.6]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAOVt-0000G0-IS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:22:19 +0100 Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MAOVt-0002va-0e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:22:17 +0100 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MAOVp-0001Vh-U6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:22:15 +0100 Message-ID: <2642D88B77A54B92A7D45D0DE8E624EA@p4> From: "Mark" To: References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> <88d2415e0905300406p54cf1d54o14cbfebabf5f5216@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:18:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C9E131.83A36360" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C9E131.83A36360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lawrence,=20 You may get lucky with surplus Xtals in that range, I use some pulled from a= n ancient xtal controlled 2m rig.. but the 2m frequencies corresponding to y= our range are low. You may consider using a DDS like the softmark unit, or the ones designed fo= r the Softrock SDR radios . this effectively gives you a VFO! One of these may also be cheaper than a couple of crystals! Mark GM4ISM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information Many thanks Dave. I will try suggested companies. Actually looking for Xtal on 8020 to 8030 so unlikely=20 anyone has one ! \Thanks Laurie. 2009/5/30 Dave G3WCB Laurie, McKnight and Hy-Q used to advertise in RadCom. They may still be trading= . Addresses below. IQD are also around, but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like=20= us! What frequency/style are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector prob= ably has what you need. McKnight Crystals...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY 01703-848961 ENGLAND Hy-Q Intrnational (UK) Ltd. (44) 01223-834444 Fax: (44) 01223-834589. =20 http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/ 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence mayhead Sent: 30 May 2009 11:42 To: rsgb Subject: LF: Information Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? Any ideas thanks Laurie G3AQC ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2143 - Release Date: 05/30/09= 05:53:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C9E131.83A36360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lawrence,

You may get lucky with surplus Xtals in tha= t range,=20 I use some pulled from an ancient xtal controlled 2m rig.. but the 2m=20 frequencies corresponding to your range are low.

You may consider using a DDS like the softm= ark=20 unit, or the ones designed for the Softrock SDR radios . this effectively gi= ves=20 you a VFO!

One of these may also be cheaper than a cou= ple of=20 crystals!

Mark GM4ISM

----- Original Message -----

lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:06=20 PM

Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information=20 <crystals>

Many thanks Dave. I will try suggested companies.
Actual= ly=20 looking for Xtal on 8020 to 8030 so unlikely
anyone has one !
\Than= ks=20 Laurie.

2009/5/30 Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com&g= t;

Laurie,

&nb= sp;

McKnight and Hy-Q= used to=20 advertise in RadCom. They may still be trading. Addresses=20 below.

&nb= sp;

IQD are also arou= nd, but I=20 don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like us!

&nb= sp;

What frequency/st= yle are=20 you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector probably has what you=20 need.

= McKnight C= rystals...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY 01703-848961 ENGLAND

Hy-Q Intrnational (UK= ) Ltd. (44) 01223-834444 Fax: (44) 01223-834589.

http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/

73, Dave G3WCB=20 IO91RM

-----Original= =20 Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behal= f Of=20 lawrence mayhead
Sent: 30 May 2009 11:42
To:=20 rsgb
Subject: LF: Information

Does anybo= dy=20 manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days?
I have trawle= d=20 Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!!
Nothing in Radc= om.=20 What's happened to companies like QCC ?
Any ideas thanks
Laurie=20 G3AQC

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2143 - Releas= e=20 Date: 05/30/09 05:53:00
------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C9E131.83A36360-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF051-53a49fe9a7b92; Mon, 04 May 2009 03:34:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF033-53a49fe9a7b92; Mon, 04 May 2009 03:34:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0sgN-0005cq-BL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:33:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0sgM-0005ch-RD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:33:46 +0100 Received: from web28512.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([87.248.110.191]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0sgM-0002W7-8R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:33:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 7393 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2009 07:32:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1241422360; bh=InQVWE6KC1lwUViI63XzOC/wW/gAb5vhUD8k7qR5c9s=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xkkderpPHUQVr4+mcvKvbLFHOX268/Emq3lFeZdBVArQeqBiWOmLP864Trp2ewmf2+S1a676gvwdk6oocub+Ek16DkTqbNATP+KRenCJ6xkvWnghIWaYX9/0KQWvRCJqsO8YawFCygPMxNS8QNZi01HdtfLhnyh6gj0uO2e3c8c= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=opcQ1GU3orNuvOOmtmO688TxWSMeX9RSi+hrCz0IukebpdljX5xSiyNc1k+brNN7fczTIz4NAgC/vyqioXY6tc4FvOD/HFV359EHohqL3Kpd9x9bBOr3hKfLHoKPDx0bE5PQMu4Mug7ZaXEfX2oPD1el7qpV/9TGIMsssibZStU=; Message-ID: <161871.7382.qm@web28512.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9N3n0ywVM1nqCveLzDzQzrZ9qr73Sj1CRHN3RKkBtuZJZ_GXSZateJt1JdS6Mjh8uk2A78Hlcf1KpKop_F8897ohE47uwyvwkV38hllbwYNGd3GPTfZmUqr4_oyKqRCVfmm.knG4fJ2UVZtcadqMfGDXqlJZUquwWLmn99xgh7ieRTeVsHOWss9KtsrskmiugwpQ69RsELhRj05Dyn4wrQdpNkkrr7Cql2vl8EjbvoFJS0o84KDY_jJAFNqG9VRzP2OJUsVxO1FG0e6iS1O2YXviAacjJhFyRSFKTCeOF192B6D_0JHymVI- Received: from [80.6.43.68] by web28512.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 May 2009 07:32:39 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 07:32:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Osborn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-241418580-1241422359=:7382" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d221.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-241418580-1241422359=:7382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many thanks for all advice Jim, I'll have another happy day experimenting and implementing your suggestions. I've blown on the ferrite rod through the slot in the screening tube using a drinking straw but the output seems quite steady as a result of this= exercise. The oscillator output seems stable in both frequency and ampitude. Re the clipping of the AF stages, this seems not to be the problem and even=20= a flattish PP3 battery doesn't cause any significant change in output. Thanks again for your help. 73 Chris G3XIZ ________________________________ From: James Moritz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, 3 May, 2009 20:23:43 Subject: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Dear Chris, LF Group, Looking at the circuit, there are not that many possibilities for varying ga= in with temperature. The NE/SA 602/612 devices should be quite stable with temperature - the Phil= ips data shows less than 1dB variation over 0 - 70 degrees. But if the oscil= lator level is marginal, gain might vary more. The 741 output amplifier is working at high gain, and low supply voltage, so= might possibly be marginal. This would be worse if it were driven into clip= ping - unlikely if output V less than 1V RMS or so. The 2N3819 gain might vary quite a lot with temperature, depending on how it= is biased, and the particular specimen of 2N3819. The RC low-pass filter might show significant variation with temperature if=20= high-K ceramic capacitors with particularly wild temperature coefficients we= re used. The ferrite rod antenna is a possibility, especially if the tuning is fixed=20= as shown in the circuit diagram. The Q and temperature coefficient of these=20= can be quite high, so a temperature change could cause it to drift off frequ= ency and change the signal level - with a Q of 200, about 1kHz change in fre= quency would be sufficient. I would suggest doing a bit of signal tracing - for example, disconnecting t= he RF stage and injecting a signal directly into the mixer would eliminate t= he ferrite rod and 2N3819. Another possibility would be to try heating up co= mponents individually, e.g. with a fingertip or a soldering iron, to see whe= re large changes occur. Or, with the ferrite rod, try re-peaking the tuning=20= after changing the temperature to see if there has been a shift in the tunin= g. Hope this is helpful, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Osborn" To: "LF Group" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed =20 --0-241418580-1241422359=:7382 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Many thanks for all advice Jim,

I'll have another hap= py day experimenting and implementing your suggestions.
I've blown on the= ferrite rod through the slot in the screening tube
using a drinking stra= w but the output seems quite steady as a result of this exercise.

The= oscillator output seems stable in both frequency and ampitude.

Re th= e clipping of the AF stages, this seems not to be the problem and even a fla= ttish
PP3 battery doesn't cause any significant change in output.
Thanks again for your help.

73 Chris G3XIZ

From: James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.= com>
To: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org
Sent: S= unday, 3 May, 2009 20:23:43
Subject= : LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

Dear= Chris, LF Group,

Looking at the circuit, there are not that many pos= sibilities for varying gain with temperature.

The NE/SA 602/612 devic= es should be quite stable with temperature - the Philips data shows less tha= n 1dB variation over 0 - 70 degrees. But if the oscillator level is marginal= , gain might vary more.

The 741 output amplifier is working at high g= ain, and low supply voltage, so might possibly be marginal. This would be wo= rse if it were driven into clipping - unlikely if output V less than 1V RMS=20= or so.

The 2N3819 gain might vary quite a lot with temperature, depending on how it is biased, and the particular spe= cimen of 2N3819.

The RC low-pass filter might show significant variat= ion with temperature if high-K ceramic capacitors with particularly wild tem= perature coefficients were used.

The ferrite rod antenna is a possibi= lity, especially if the tuning is fixed as shown in the circuit diagram. The= Q and temperature coefficient of these can be quite high, so a temperature=20= change could cause it to drift off frequency and change the signal level - w= ith a Q of 200, about 1kHz change in frequency would be sufficient.

I= would suggest doing a bit of signal tracing - for example, disconnecting th= e RF stage and injecting a signal directly into the mixer would eliminate th= e ferrite rod and 2N3819. Another possibility would be to try heating up com= ponents individually, e.g. with a fingertip or a soldering iron, to see wher= e large changes occur. Or, with the ferrite rod, try re-peaking the tuning after changing the temperature to see if there has be= en a shift in the tuning.

Hope this is helpful,

Cheers, Jim Mo= ritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Osborn"= <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "LF Group" <rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM
Sub= ject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

--0-241418580-1241422359=:7382-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA023-8b24a0f0fc61a4; Sat, 16 May 2009 15:11:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA064-8b24a0f0fc61a4; Sat, 16 May 2009 15:11:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5PHA-00030c-NO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 20:10:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5PHA-00030T-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 20:10:28 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5PH8-0006px-2M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 20:10:28 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AloFAD+sDkpZ8ol1/2dsb2JhbACEUsw6hAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.137.117]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 20:10:18 +0100 Message-ID: <009501c9d659$f4019e70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003401c9d201$9fa60e30$6551e00a@bxi> <08D9E984C1E443FAB8F5D8A385CBFEBC@JimPC> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 20:10:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: WPF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Marcin Where are u nil so far. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 7:52 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: WPF > Dear Marcin, LF Group, > > Now (1850utc) QRV on 137.7kHz for the next few hours > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcin" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:27 AM > Subject: LF: Re: WPF > > >> Hello! >> Is there anyone to sked 136kHz? >> Plise about LF sked to saturday (16 may 2009); in the evening; QRSS or >> CW; >> 137,710kHz.. >> We have QRV on SP2KDS Club: JO94II ,1W EIRP, longwire antena 30m/110m. >> -- >> Vy 73! >> Marcin SQ2BXI >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2117 - Release Date: 05/15/09 17:55:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA013-a864a21158524e; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:16:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA086-a864a21158524e; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:16:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMXg-0000DY-Rw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:16:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMXg-0000DL-Er for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:16:00 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAMXb-00088m-M0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:16:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 1833 invoked by uid 0); 30 May 2009 11:15:49 -0000 Received: from 85.178.115.40 by www152.gmx.net with HTTP; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:15:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:15:49 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090530111549.308640@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19v2phbSHRvTjlHQH+ZvmIOOHKj2vSYE8uCRPGwDJ Czs7UOnkJ/SAHukszNq5GCrrLMzj6dS5sfZg== X-GMX-UID: C3hDHtdYbXB+VbuXDDQ2nw0iLyUmZQjw X-FuHaFi: 0.59 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: LF: RE: Information Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi! Also looking for crystals, last December I found out the following: http://andyquarz.de/ http://www.klove.nl/ http://www.bindel.ch/produkt/quarz/quarzosz.htm www.quarz-technik.de www.freqtech.com Although I havn't tested any of them so far, I can tell You that Mr Andy Fleischer at "Andyquarz" is a licensed ham, in the business for decades, he replies to emails, You might order even one single crystal there. Shipping outside Germany 9,50EUR. Hope it helps, and of course I'm interested in other suggestions. vy 73 Dennis DL6NVC Berlin -- Nur bis 31.05.: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate und Telefonanschluss nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-5524a07c5bf1a4; Mon, 11 May 2009 02:29:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF057-5524a07c5bf1a4; Mon, 11 May 2009 02:29:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Ozg-0003wP-8b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 07:28:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Ozf-0003wG-IC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 07:28:07 +0100 Received: from mx10.go2.pl ([193.17.41.74] helo=poczta.o2.pl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3Ozc-00043d-83 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 07:28:06 +0100 Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx10.go2.pl [127.0.0.1]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F695865F2A for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:27:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bxi (unknown [193.189.116.3]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:27:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003401c9d201$9fa60e30$6551e00a@bxi> From: "Marcin" To: References: Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:27:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: Re: WPF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello! Is there anyone to sked 136kHz? Plise about LF sked to saturday (16 may 2009); in the evening; QRSS or CW; 137,710kHz.. We have QRV on SP2KDS Club: JO94II ,1W EIRP, longwire antena 30m/110m. -- Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG012-9f14a20f2e07; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:48:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG013-9f14a20f2e07; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:48:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAKE3-0007lk-Kv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:47:35 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAKE2-0007lb-VH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:47:35 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAKE1-0007U7-1O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:47:34 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A8F7B8048 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 10:47:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4765F3862 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 10:47:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 844BD5975; Sat, 30 May 2009 10:47:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 89.110-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (89.110-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [217.136.110.89]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 30 May 2009 10:47:23 +0200 Message-ID: <20090530104723.9kgijndilgu80oo8@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:47:23 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20090529121437.120FDF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <846AFC8AED804851AE6CA1E83B356E9F@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <846AFC8AED804851AE6CA1E83B356E9F@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 217.136.110.89 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: modeling a loop Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_3a4hqvrnu3y8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --=_3a4hqvrnu3y8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Description: Platte-tekstversie van bericht Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear John, > This is my theory - At 0 degrees elevation, the far-field radiation > from a rectangular loop antenna is the same as that produced by 2 > vertical elements of the same dimensions as the vertical conductors in > the loops and carrying the same currents (other angles/shapes would be > similar, but would require resolving the horizontally and vertically > directed components of the current). In this 2-element vertical array, > both are carrying large currents, and the current in one is equal to > the other, but flowing in the opposite direction, and the spacing > between them is a very small fraction of a wavelength. The radiated > field at a large distance is the result of superimposing the seperate > contributions of these two vertical elements which, because of the > small spacing, almost but not quite cancel each other out (they do > cancel out at right angles to the plane of the loop of course). So the > radiated field, and so the radiation resistance, is a result of a small > difference between two relatively large numbers=A0 - the smaller the > length of the loop in wavelengths, the smaller the difference gets. > This is why you need much more current in a loop than a vertical of a > similar size. I agree. This method is also described in the "antenna bible" (by Kraus). I once did the math exercise and the result is correct. > I think the discrepancy in the simulated radiation resistance may be > caused by the limited precision of the calculations done by the > simulator - you would expect the effect of this to get worse as the > sides of the loop became smaller fractions of a wavelength. When I have > tried to simulate small loops in the past (using an old EZNEC), I have > had similar problems, and also simulation errors possibly for the same > kind of reason. I don't think NEC likes small loops of conductor much - > I have also had problems in the past when simulating a vertical with a > multi-wire top-load where the ends of the wires were connected together > - the simulation results had 1 amp in the uplead, but many amps > circulating through the top-loading wires. > > An experiment you could try is simulating larger loops to see if there > is a more accurate agreement between theory and simulation. > > There is also the effect of the ground plane - a small loop close to a > ground plane should have double the radiation resistance of one in free > space due to the effect of the "image" loop reflected in the ground > plane - I think this implies large currents flowing in the ground plane > under the loop, so it is another matter to what extent this actually > happens with a real ground plane. That makes sense. But how to explain that on the one end the loop benefits from the =20 ground (doubling of the free space radiation resistance while on the =20 other hand it seems not (or far less) to suffer from ground losses =20 (compared to a vertical). 73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe"=A0 > > To: > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:14 PM > Subject: LF: modeling a loop > > > >> >> I guess MMANA-GAL is not suited for modeling very small loops, is=A0 =20 >> there other software that can scope with this ? >> Before going into the effort of putting op the loop I would like =20 >> to=A0 have an idea of what to expect. >> >> 73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T >> >> --=_3a4hqvrnu3y8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Description: HTML versie van bericht Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear John,
> This is my theory -=20= At 0 degrees elevation, the far-field radiation
> from a rectangular loop antenna is the same as that produced by 2
> vertical elements of the same dimensions as the vertical conductors in
> the loops and carryi= ng the same currents (other angles/shapes would be
> similar, but would require resolving the horizontally and vertically
> directed compone= nts of the current). In this 2-element vertical array,
> both are carryi= ng large currents, and the current in one is equal to
> the other, but flowing in the opposite direction, and the spacing
> between them is= a very small fraction of a wavelength. The radiated
> field at a large distance is the result of superimposing the seperate
> contributions= of these two vertical elements which, because of the
> small spacing, almost but not quite cancel each other out (they do
> cancel out at right angles to the plane of the loop of course). So the
> radiated field, and so the radiation resistance, is a result of a small
> difference between two relatively large numbers=A0 - the smaller the
&g= t; length of the loop in wavelengths, the smaller the difference gets.
>= ; This is why you need much more current in a loop than a vertical of a
&= gt; similar size.
I agree. This method is also des= cribed in the "antenna bible" (by Kraus).
I once did the math exercise and the result is correct.

> I think the discrepancy in the simulat= ed radiation resistance may be
> caused by the limited precision of the calculations done by the
> simulator - you would expect the effect o= f this to get worse as the
> sides of the loop became smaller fraction= s of a wavelength. When I have
> tried to simulate small loops in the past (using an old EZNEC), I have
> had similar problems, and also simulation errors possibly for the same
> kind of reason. I don't th= ink NEC likes small loops of conductor much -
> I have also had problems= in the past when simulating a vertical with a
> multi-wire top-load whe= re the ends of the wires were connected together
> - the simulation results had 1 amp in the uplead, but many amps
> circulating through the top-loading wires.
>
> An experiment you could try is simulating larger loops to see if there
> is a more accurate agreeme= nt between theory and simulation.
>
> There is also the effect=20= of the ground plane - a small loop close to a
> ground plane should hav= e double the radiation resistance of one in free
> space due to the effect of the "image" loop reflected in the ground
> plane= - I think this implies large currents flowing in the ground plane
> un= der the loop, so it is another matter to what extent this actually
> hap= pens with a real ground plane.
That makes sense.
But how to explain that on the o= ne end the loop benefits from the ground (doubling of the free space radiation resistance while on the other hand it seems not (or far less) to suffer from ground losses (compared to a vertical).
73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe"=A0
> <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
> To= : <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:= 14 PM
> Subject: LF: modeling a loop
>
>
>
>>
>> I guess MMANA-GAL is not suited for modeling very small loops, is=A0
>> there other software that can scope with t= his ?
>> Before going into the effort of putting op the loop I would like to=A0
>> have an idea of what to expect.
>>
>> 73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T
>>
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--=_3a4hqvrnu3y8-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB043-ac04a1ab313397; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:03:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB046-ac04a1ab313397; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:02:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8bgS-0004ZP-JK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:01:48 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8bgS-0004ZG-72 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:01:48 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.67]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8bgQ-0005Ja-8j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:01:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 57493 invoked from network); 25 May 2009 15:01:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=E+QV6vNEpyZOugdZ4xU8zeqFG93AS8eIdlVjGaVKgEL8jBDxQygNMIylHkktRetp4NYGt6pV+KkTBIacEZx3Uv2CrzzLRAR4BYCxPNX+O8mk9zVv+cYJOcMzqHupS7jb80mc7NldqiCEczHy49aVUupowYBxZPaMcVn53/OLh+k= ; Received: from unknown (HELO 64683d74b6134b3) (robertgjbennett@81.151.200.98 with login) by smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2009 15:01:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Rfmcog4VM1mJJmyuL6bzkAxSco.I4I8AGfwP1NgpAOhgl8b0R8YYqNkk.ywxVlH7eo4hRDUjtpOSvrcspyDseuVUcAExHNbM1EcKa9NJiYdm1kJl0UPUJM.QAqFEz0S.7ziYRjz7hl0DY24PtdYvA9CCS0vOBMlyjYH6.opw2Q_QDTl9YVJwailP7dczdVscR6igDl1zw5oKNE.A4zy7ZvyDHVXmRdGRHJSjBSlTllZzdzEMrQfjdhspmMQA5B2KJSeGaVPxv8J7oOc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <84D65F58F723418B8DC8672A3B10C875@64683d74b6134b3> From: "Robert Bennett" To: References: <4A19A7E4.4030606@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:01:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Re: Monday activity 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard I know this is a bit off topic, but rather than going up in altitude, had you considered going down? It is over 20 years since I was last in your part of the world, but as I remember it there is quite a large area of salt marsh at Pagham, a few miles further along the coast. An aerial with its feet in that might be an interesting proposition. 73 Robert From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD073-b5a4a1fa77f2ef; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:14:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD014-b5a4a1fa77f2ef; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:14:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9yA5-0004IS-N3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:14:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9yA5-0004IJ-6w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:14:01 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9yA2-0000nz-Ch for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:14:01 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgoFAPxDH0pOkIPp/2dsb2JhbACEWcoTgjmBUwU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.131.233]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 10:13:50 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c9e03d$c8186a80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003201c9df81$e9e4c8f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905280624k3bd34499he4b67d5af33bae52@mail.gmail.com> <004d01c9dfa8$f0ac6720$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905281140o142123fet2f380a6bee784245@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:13:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332 Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Warren This tuner that I have contains and additional unit on the left hand side but in the same box. The extra unit has a antenna terminal, white ceramic like the other large one and a vacuum relay behind it, antenna change over relay. Must be a late model or variation but not mentioned in any documents. I got the unit in GI land so I expect it came from one of the ex RAF/USAF bases in the area like TOOME, CLONTOE or one of the others. Some of the old USAF buildings are still standing at these bases. If you want a photo of the unit let me know. 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF Mal, There is only ONE B-29 that is still considered airworthy (out of nearly 4,000 B-29's built). The one airworthy B-29 "Fifi" is in need of an engine overhaul. http://www.cavanaughflightmuseum.com/B-29_B-24_Press_Release_1-21-08 I have seen the Enola Gay at the Air and Space Museum's Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center at Dulles Airport outside of Washington, D.C. http://collections.nasm.si.edu/code/emuseum.asp?profile=objects&newstyle=single&quicksearch=A19500100000 I have a photo of the Enola Gay signed by Col. Tibbets as well. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:28 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > Interesting info Warren. > All of my old Airforce equipment RAF and USAF is in very good condx.and I > know how to use it. > All I need is a B29 to check it out AIR to GROUND. > Mal/G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF > > >> The BC-306 tuning is a good one too. Inside it is a tapped coil + >> variometer, maximum inductance about 1.2 mH. >> >> http://www.questmasters.us/B-24_Page_3.html >> http://eshop1.chem.buffalo.edu/600-Meter-TX.html >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> WD2XGJ >> WD2XSH/23 >> WE2XEB/2 >> WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 6:47 AM, mal hamilton >> wrote: >>> >>> Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 called MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER >>> AIRCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with 200 feet trailing >>> wire >>> antenna. >>> Contains variometer, switches and vac relay. >>> I have a nice specimen at my QTH. >>> Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching. >>> Maybe someone has used one in a B29 >>> >>> G3KEV >>> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/27/09 > 18:21:00 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/27/09 18:21:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (rly-mc10.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.94]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC074-d9c4a049ea23df; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:05:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC104-d9c4a049ea23df; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:05:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2XFh-0007HS-GN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:05:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2XFh-0007HJ-4S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:05:05 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr14.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.132]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2XFZ-0001Yb-6x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:05:05 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2bthomr14.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DCQ98338; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:03:36 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A049E2B.4040209@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 22:03:39 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr14.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0205.4A049E28.046A,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Richard Newstead wrote: > > Still, I'm making progress. > > 500kHz transmitter completed - not a bad one evening project. Power 12W on 12V. Off to bed. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME044-9cc4a04a63d1ab; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:38:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME078-9cc4a04a63d1ab; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:38:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Xl8-0007aC-Ed for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:37:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Xl8-0007a3-0I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:37:34 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Xl6-000158-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:37:33 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0FF51C002 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 23:37:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B91631E702 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 23:37:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 60A4D5BFF; Fri, 8 May 2009 23:37:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 236.106-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (236.106-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [217.136.106.236]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 08 May 2009 23:37:22 +0200 Message-ID: <20090508233722.rtzv6nsxw9j4wsgc@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 23:37:22 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> <00b101c9d01b$bbd34790$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 217.136.106.236 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, good copy now: oklee ..slight slip .. but all back ok .. fine on the tx , well =20 160 should give a good signal , ok on the pic , yes wire it over =20 iedta oa@hotmail.com after the gb4fpr night of cw ..ive not used cw since hihi .. =20 took 4 op.ea osEVwizk"brr 45 mins .. thzH the longest cq i have =20 seen hihi ebtu m0lmh de g0nbd k 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Graham : > Ok Gary > > Ive never used this mode , but looks like a good narrow system , would > go via most cw filters ? > may of seen it on 160 ? > > G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gary - G4WGT" > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:29 PM > To: > Subject: RE: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > >> Graham, LF, >> >> It looks a little over the 100Hz bandwidth, viewing using Fldigi & SpecLa= b >> it looks to 120Hz. >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham >> Sent: 08 May 2009 21:10 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent >> >> Ok Gary , >> >> What do you make the BW ? looks to be just 100 Hz close in >> >> ? >> >> Tnx - G .. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Gary - G4WGT" >> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:59 PM >> To: >> Subject: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent >> >>> >>> Hi Graham, LF, >>> >>> Coming in here no problem. >>> >>> CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>> CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>> qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham >>> Sent: 08 May 2009 20:05 >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: LF: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent >>> >>> >>> Narrow , MFSK 4 running 503.000 cent freq >>> >>> tx set 502.000 usb / 1000 hz audio cent >>> >>> FLDIGI software >>> >>> 100 Hz bw ? how wide do you make it ? >>> >>> tnx- Graham >>> >>> G0NBD >>> >>> IO83LK >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2103 - Release Date: 05/07/= 09 >> >>> 18:05:00 >>> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: =20 >> 05/08/09 11:43:00 >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG093-a104a045fee25b; Fri, 08 May 2009 12:38:18 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG052-a104a045fee25b; Fri, 08 May 2009 12:38:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2T4f-0005WA-K5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:37:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2T4f-0005W1-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:37:25 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f180.google.com ([209.85.219.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2T4b-0005aE-W7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:37:24 +0100 Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so2314443ewy.4 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 09:36:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CnM8iytMhRXO0grdtIQWdeTmZOkAomulLTDOO5mpNkA=; b=aBZYTVl49z7F6JmZiM6FeHJlQVHWXZHVW9yCg5KkCZb8eDJ9eVy1cF1lXlXEEHFbsW SuGVYOnw2UQyV3mPmYoFdf7jvu4FAVVIu4kdgBoe09pD9EB3Fkxosw4JEuVey2xtJP6B 07Ofbvi0TaSPtQ80qI2DCMMUxRjL14fD987fk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=kAAcOUkAbQ31EpbirmkZ8p7ipEyRYuyQohovk6RYxcrRPlXReeVyI5cvUdOjThMYVF uy0UAV+e+dfOVi3dX/O4hpkd45LzqGmzxPVP4gOliJhfEaslkzTvTcDWF0FN7KXm5VXu HblQgI+bnUrTswAjQJyPBqMfDnyUCegsSWepE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.46.79 with SMTP id q57mr1664387web.62.1241800576371; Fri, 08 May 2009 09:36:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:36:16 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367b6e303c8bac0469693a7d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m213.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016367b6e303c8bac0469693a7d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard I think most are "VFO" controlled... Centre of activity appears to be between 502-503 with beacony things nearer the edges. If you came up on 502.5 you wouldn't go far wrong! Dave. 2009/5/8 Richard Newstead > Dear all > > My transmitter is progressing nicely. Where should I aim for in the band? I > assume that some frequencies are "taken"? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --0016367b6e303c8bac0469693a7d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Richard

I think most are "VFO" controlled... Centre of acti= vity appears to be between 502-503 with beacony things nearer the edges. If=20= you came up on 502.5 you wouldn't go far wrong!

Dave.

2009/5/8 Richard Newstead <<= a href=3D"mailto:g3cwi@btconnect.com">g3cwi@btconnect.com>
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Dear all

My transmitter is progressing nicely. Where should I aim for in the band? I=20= assume that some frequencies are "taken"?

73

Richard
G3CWI

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G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham=20= UK
--0016367b6e303c8bac0469693a7d-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB063-aaf49fab51b30f; Fri, 01 May 2009 04:39:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB025-aaf49fab51b30f; Fri, 01 May 2009 04:38:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LzoFW-00030k-7Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 09:37:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LzoFV-00030b-Sg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 09:37:37 +0100 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LzoFT-00030j-D2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 09:37:37 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KIY002Q6IMFFB@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 10:37:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 10:37:30 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <6821F9090A004FD49E71A5A0E0145C9A@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AFJ 01-05.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GMeGDIJ9lLpWqXjgCaJnlQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_GMeGDIJ9lLpWqXjgCaJnlQ) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_F5IKCQWgASUGNR5qdRhonQ)" --Boundary_(ID_F5IKCQWgASUGNR5qdRhonQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Jean-Pierre,Lf capture AFJ 10:30 local time Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: AFJ 01-05.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_F5IKCQWgASUGNR5qdRhonQ) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi Jean-Pierre,Lf

capture AFJ 10:30 local time

Henny pa3cpm

best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
AFJ 01-05.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC074-d614a1db70a9f; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:56:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC031-d614a1db70a9f; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:56:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9R61-0000eq-Jt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:55:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9R61-0000eh-70 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:55:37 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9R5y-0005un-LG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:55:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 13284 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2009 21:55:28 -0000 Received: from 85.178.103.129 by www186.gmx.net with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:55:27 +0200 (CEST) Cc: begu@algonet.se Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:55:27 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: <20090527210111.259810@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20090527215527.259790@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002c01c9df02$ed931da0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20090527210111.259810@gmx.net> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19ZC0x3OmxZoyCjqXa5jVap4khJm+iVILZfjoyArt bnO1yXnS9V8yHd+O58sp1TvB+FQ+Eg3h3ZQg== X-GMX-UID: +I4ofjAvRkkNEKqfTWRqHXVudWkvKFMM X-FuHaFi: 0.5 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: LF: report Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:01:11 +0200 > Von: "Dennis" > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: ssb , now somebody on 506 CW > > > Datum: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:38:48 +0100 > > Von: "mal hamilton" > > Betreff: LF: ssb > > > SM6BHZ 57 on USB 505 Khz at 1938 utc > > G3KEV > > > Thanks Mal! > After reading this coming back home abt. 20:30Z, I quickly modified the > RX-setup for 500khz. No SSB heard so far, but there is some weak but > sometimes audible (RST 239) CW on 506kHz! Who is it? > > 73 > Dennis > JO62RM > > > > > > > > > -- > Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + > Telefonanschluss f�r nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss f�r nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD014-b7a4a116e7a122; Mon, 18 May 2009 10:19:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD054-b7a4a116e7a122; Mon, 18 May 2009 10:19:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M63fo-0000Rt-TS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:18:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M63fo-0000Rk-If for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:18:36 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M63fl-0002Vm-8u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:18:35 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529D27B8050 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:17:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34984F3862 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:17:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:17:56 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: <4A1086FB.3050401@ukonline.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090518141752.34984F3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 >Still, Hiroshi's transmitting on 136.9 CW and Ive left my grabber >on there on slow speed to see if I can detect anything after dusk >tonight - its a +-2000Kms all water path save Korea and a bumpy bit >as it crosses Japan - as hes on the East Coast, and yes Ill have >the volume up as well... Even with 25W and a rather small antenna 2000km should be possible in QRS10 or QRS30 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG082-9fc49ff602027f; Mon, 04 May 2009 17:37:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG026-9fc49ff602027f; Mon, 04 May 2009 17:37:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M15qT-0007gc-7c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:37:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M15qS-0007gT-QA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:37:04 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M15qR-0003hc-1l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:37:04 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4338B51C002 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 23:36:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F417DF3862 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 23:36:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 644C757C5; Mon, 4 May 2009 23:36:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 83.189-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (83.189-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.189.83]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:36:50 +0200 Message-ID: <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 23:36:50 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.189.83 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gary, call the is almost right, locator completely. But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for =20 the last 2 minutes or so. I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further =20 changes, not sure that this is the best mode. So any advice is welcome. I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors =20 and options. I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz =20 bandwidth. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi Rik, > > This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & locator > :- > > RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: rtty test > > dear all, > > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC > Reports and/or reply welcome. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG073-a1a49ff4eeb307; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:24:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG064-a1a49ff4eeb307; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:24:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M14hM-0006mV-Gc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:23:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M14hM-0006mM-18 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:23:36 +0100 Received: from web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([87.248.110.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M14hL-0003BZ-DL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:23:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 98269 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2009 20:23:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1241468609; bh=VLNrnKOoDb1xXk/mMkb02lMNvcBvmsFzWdLAf7u56c4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hoHVISBeCgpyiM/0q7T09ymoWGxfTDOqrQnb6PG6/tOU3exwYFjtsdf5M+oeBPkgduRSHl2Xf7VG2mnmgRx+ryCPp7GNiotiFQKwPJ10JlMID3N6KnjawSJ1F7yxwfMCaNotKzwyK0WTncwJiCnUoFx7uQ1VuU2pyRTwLaiShZk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jIF58XIr3/mgH0NG19aM6m7+v/HgN1SBi9LijMul+Pw5GyGFkll5nCIXJREWw7RoF4skYrDFB7xqQaZUnFpnmM5P1htecz3eZCtiV8dn0ZWZxvp6cBK+cjmAwEehpfhev+6vuY9alw09BldMr3AY5XeS2UB7eBq43yWXT0rOoLg=; Message-ID: <106017.93017.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mWHjvEkVM1mDnkV.M.n0m6mHtVZBktQzmIkBJRgpjws9bXkOmCFd2r5.ChWRlQKUzDtYSnAw2krlfR4KcasWA0hC5Qc7pDC12iXfFo.dy368YZkBQX0PJlSLmW80oCOTHYfaug5ZvtGEgkDuavUUnnWdT6yHOr7G8lVcBn8FPXLDjA2vdd8xVsmZGM5fjIsVwyIyX_uGejSZN1QmSc2MYpkzf1hjoZV4gPDPq8dYLxLGkS37SJ5pqz5grCVJUOOAA_VhugDoDg7YoB3m7CzKyuV2gyms2ZqgeNuLyzvSSmwagNAAYgJKmA-- Received: from [80.6.43.68] by web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 May 2009 20:23:28 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8bf118410905040810m1fb41016pab9a1c0a7c79bf06@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 20:23:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Osborn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <8bf118410905040810m1fb41016pab9a1c0a7c79bf06@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-264717085-1241468608=:93017" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d230.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-264717085-1241468608=:93017 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks again Dave and Alan, I've spent a few more hours on the F/S meter today and still have not found=20= the problem. I can blow with a drinking straw on any component and there's very little output change yet with time there's a slow drift with temperature - the outp= ut goes up with increased temperature. I thought I'd found the problem as by squeezing the ferrite rod 's screening= tube I could get a fair change in the output (about 10 %). The tube's metal is not aluminium but I guess an aluminium alloy. In any case I changed it for a proper aluminium tube - no difference ! >From the shack's temperature of 23 degrees and taking the F/S meter outside= to an ambient=20 13 degrees the meter's output changed from 0.48 volts to 0.35 volts !! I have run out of ideas now and am thinking maybe it's even the permeability= of the die cast box that's changing or maybe the perspex end caps of the ferrite rod. . . . I'm=20= getting desperate ! 73 Chris G3XIZ ________________________________ From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, 4 May, 2009 16:10:26 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Chris Have you tried a can of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies?=20= Is it the ferrite aerial or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain= then a little negative feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-deco= upled source resistor. Dave 'YXM 2009/5/3 Chris Osborn LF, I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook), modified for use on the 500 kHz band. I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering availabl= e components, the differences being: a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published varicaps. b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the publish= ed LW coil. I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet=20= the=20 field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and c= an vary up to 30 %. I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've spent= hours trying to correct it. 73 Chris G3XIZ --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK =20 --0-264717085-1241468608=:93017 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks again Dave and Alan,

I've spent a few more hou= rs on the F/S meter today and still have not found the problem.
I can blo= w with a drinking straw on any component and there's very little
output change yet with time there= 's a slow drift with temperature - the output goes up
with increased temp= erature.

I thought I'd found the problem as by squeezing the ferrite=20= rod 's screening tube
I could get a fair change in the output (about 10 %= ).
The tube's metal is not aluminium but I guess an aluminium alloy.
I= n any case I changed it for a proper aluminium tube - no difference !
From the shack's temperature of 23 degrees and taking the F/S meter o= utside to an ambient
13 degrees the meter's output changed from 0.48 volts to 0.35 volts !!

I have run out of ideas now a= nd am thinking maybe it's even the permeability of the die cast box
that'= s changing or maybe the perspex end caps of the ferrite rod. . . . I'm getti= ng desperate !

73 Chris G3XIZ

= From: Dave Pick <daveyxm@googlemail.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 4 May, 2009 16:10:= 26
Subject: Re: LF: Fiel= d Strength Meter - advice needed

Chris

Have you tried a= can of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies? Is it the ferrit= e aerial or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain then a little ne= gative feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-decoupled source resi= stor.

Dave 'YXM

2009/5/3 Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>

LF,

I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (= LF Experimenters' Handbook),
modified for use on the 500 kHz band.

I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering avai= lable components,
the differences being:
a) I have used a small variab= le capacitor instead of the published varicaps.
b) I used a JFET 2N3819 i= n the front end instead of dual gate mosfets.
c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the publish= ed LW coil.

I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable=20= magnetic field yet the
field strength meter's output voltage is very dep= endent on temperature and can vary up to
30 %.

I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem=20= as I've spent hours trying
to correct it.

73 Chris G3XIZ

--
G3YXM IO92BK= Birmingham UK

--0-264717085-1241468608=:93017-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB102-aa64a1929081aa; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:01:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB014-aa64a1929081aa; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:01:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8BRs-0007SW-Oq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:01:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8BRs-0007SN-6c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:01:00 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8BRp-0006Tc-RU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:01:00 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsEABDGGEpZ8+0p/2dsb2JhbACEVMtFhAsF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.243.237.41]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 11:59:30 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:59:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Jim I did not say an inv L virtually lying on the ground as in Richards case(1 METRE ABOVE GROUND), this is more like a beverage antenna. I did say as much vertical as possible and let the so called horizontal taper towards earth. The far end as high as possible tied via insulator to a bush or stake, say a few metres above ground. Depending on the vert height you might not get much horizontal out before its too low, so it needs a sensible approach. Use the loading coil to resonate and match the TX. Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: LF: Re: First Portable Trip > Dear Richard, LF Group, > > >> Not a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section >> fed >> against 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was >> very >> low - within 1 metre of the ground. >> > (Mal seems to have started something here - I have always thought of an > inverted L as having a roughly horizontal span, rather than being a > sloping > wire!) To get the maximum effective height, radiation resistance and > therefore efficiency, the important dimension of the antenna is height - > essentially the average height of all the wire making up the antenna. The > long section at very low height is therefore counterproductive - it will > reduce the effective height, and also increase the loss resistance. So it > would be better to eliminate the last 100ft or more, and increase the > inductance of the loading coil. If it is necessary to have that overall > length to reach an available fixing point or something, use non-conducting > string. Also, with a single span of wire and a single mast, you will > probably get greater average height if you support the wire in the middle > in > an inverted-V shape. > > I am not sure about the radials - there is a similar length of wire in the > radials as there is in the antenna itself, so you could expect a > significant > RF voltage between the radials and the actual ground, which would not help > matching or losses. Longer radials, more of them, or ground rods would > probably be a good idea. > >> Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried >> tapping >> the feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q >> dramatically > > The tapped loading coil type of antenna tuner with the TX connected to a > low-impedance tap is one of those devices that looks appealingly simple, > but > isn't! The impedance match depends on the inductance of the complete > loading > coil, the inductance of the tapped section and the mutual inductance > between > the tapped section and the rest of the coil. These in turn depend on the > shape, size and winding pitch of the coil as well as the number of turns. > I > made a spreadsheet that would calculate the impedance match for a tapped > loading coil (downloadable from http://www.wireless.org.uk/features.htm), > but suffice it to say that there are limits to the range of resistance > that > can be matched with a particular coil geometry. By "link configuration" I > assume you mean the loading coil has a low impedance link winding over it, > connected to the TX. This is similar to the tapped coil, but adds further > variables into the mix, due to the different size and pitch of the link > coil. I have not done the calculations for the link case, which will be > similar to the tapped coil, but generally the mutual inductance will be > less, which will reduce the maximum resistance that can be matched. What > all > this means is that it is quite possible that your coil has the correct > inductance, but at the same time it is impossible to match the antenna > resistance using it. This is likely if the antenna loss resistance is > high; > you need a "short, fat" loading coil (large diameter with fine winding > pitch) to match a high resistance. I prefer to use a seperate loading coil > and matching transformer; resistance and reactance are then almost > independent of each other, and you only have to worry about the inductance > of the coil and the turns ratio of the transformer. > >> Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible >> "line-timebase" type burble drifting across band. > > This is a problem most of us have had - several portable expeditions have > put out big signals, but not been able to receive much. I have spent much > more time trying to get good reception than setting up TX antennas, and > often it is not possible to get good transmission and reception with the > same antenna. There is always a temptation to try to get QRV as soon as > possible, but a bit of reconnaisance with a receiver first is always a > good > idea. > > Hope to hear you /P soon, > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 07:00:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME021-9b14a073f8876; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:56:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME045-9b14a073f8876; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:56:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3G3w-0001hI-VK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:55:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3G3w-0001h9-H3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:55:56 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3G3s-0002Bs-Tq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:55:55 +0100 X-Trace: 192922621/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvgEAJbbBkpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTYQWsSIJjUYHgkSBMwU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,324,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="192922621" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 10 May 2009 21:55:50 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:55:48 +0100 Message-ID: <00ad01c9d1b1$b2ee5470$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcnRr6Lx0B7D37L7Sv6m7guMxWzEdgAAeXHQ X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham, LF, In an attempt to reduce the signal further I have connected to my Sandpiper HF vertical. Now receiving with 50db attenuation & the signals are barely audible through the speaker & barely visible on the Fldigi waterfall. There is no copy from the MFSK4 signal with just a little from ThrobX2 & PSK31. I am receiving more complete words from ThrobX2 than PSK31 making ThrobX2 the marginal winner of the test, at least in my case. A very interesting & useful test. 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 10 May 2009 21:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later All Getting reports of a qrss cw signal on 502.7 , if this is causing problems , I can qsy hf if needed hope the test is useful Tnx- Graham -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:51 PM To: Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream > same text , 60 sec repeat .. > > > PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz = 503.20k cent rf > > MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz = 503,00k cent rf > > ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz = 502.70 k cent rf > > > Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' > lock > up time ? > > Graham > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Graham" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM > To: > Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > >> >> All, >> >> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >> >> G .. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Graham" >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >> To: >> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >> >>> >>> All >>> >>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>> >>> Tx set >>> >>> Dial 501.000 >>> mode usb >>> >>> FLDIGI software >> >> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>> >>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>> >>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>> >>> Power 40 watts per stream >>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>> >>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>> >>> Reports welcome >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>> 05/09/09 >>> 06:54:00 >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >> 05/09/09 >> 06:54:00 >> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF033-54f4a2151f421e; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:34:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF054-54f4a2151f421e; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:34:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAQZ2-0002CL-Ue for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:33:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAQZ2-0002CC-Jz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:33:40 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpm-eml108.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.12]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAQYz-0006mB-JK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:33:39 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 ([81.204.139.159]) by CPSMTPM-EML108.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Sat, 30 May 2009 17:33:31 +0200 Message-ID: <2187B4BC54D94552AC2945A71969F41D@ns94d01ae4d850> From: "henny van elst" To: References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> <88d2415e0905300406p54cf1d54o14cbfebabf5f5216@mail.gmail.com> <4A214F8E.3090002@online.fr> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:33:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2009 15:33:32.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCF7AD20:01C9E13B] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Re: CQ P3CPM now Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 tu Jean-Pierre, henny cpm best 73s ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jean-Pierre M�r� (F1AFJ)"" To: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:23 PM Subject: LF: CQ P3CPM now > Not QRSS3 => QRSS10 !!!!!! > > Hello Henny , > > Good copy of your Signal in QRSS3 now ! > > Sorry not qrv at this moment . > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2142 - Release Date: 05/29/09 17:53:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (rly-mc01.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.85]) by air-mc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC054-d534a07356613; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:13:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC013-d534a07356613; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:13:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3FOJ-0001Is-Oy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:12:55 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3FOJ-0001Ij-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:12:55 +0100 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3FOI-0001P4-KL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:12:55 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.17] (helo=7.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #91) id 1M3FNJ-00073E-7K; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:11:53 +0200 Received: from w0e74.w.pppool.de ([89.58.14.116]:1122 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 7.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M3FNI-0007io-SG; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:11:53 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Cc: "'Gus'" References: <855872902@web.de> <9A0842CDDA28439A8A64FA2C67707372@DR2> <17C98B5BFA934507A584B37BB683BDF9@radiorummet> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:12:00 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <17C98B5BFA934507A584B37BB683BDF9@radiorummet> Thread-Index: AcnHbHLxDWeKGTDWQ6y9lmRcbEAMRQKPo50g X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,BLANK_LINES_70_80=1.236 Subject: LF: Reception Report: CQ Call SM6BHZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BLANK_LINES_70_80 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Gus, LF Reception Report of CQ Call from SM6BHZ in regular CW-Mode: Signal about 549 in JN59LN; 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) ================================================ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG024-5fd4a02f14f2e8; Thu, 07 May 2009 10:34:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG108-5fd4a02f14f2e8; Thu, 07 May 2009 10:33:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M24eG-0001kP-R2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:32:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M24eG-0001kG-EV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:32:32 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M24eD-0006LE-D0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:32:31 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai0GADiOAkpOlzUv/2dsb2JhbACEUMxnhAMF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.151.53.47]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 07 May 2009 15:32:12 +0100 Message-ID: <002801c9cf20$9c4dfe70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <008501c9ce63$c07ecf30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905061229w6c853f60w291cca01c39eec09@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:32:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Decca 5501Jeep Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Read what I said I said 120, 240 or FSK where the duty cyle is high. I did not mention 60!!!!!!!!!! G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: Re: LF: Decca 5501Jeep Mal, You couldn't be more wrong!!! I have been running a Decca in QRSS 60 for several years now at full power + often overnight and occasionally for days at time with ZERO transmitter failures. The Decca runs cool at 1.4 - 1.5 kW DC input. Perhaps you are not allowing for sufficient air circulation through the heat sinks. My Decca is in a rack with plenty of clearance above and below for the air to circulate. I don't think that it's a good idea to run the Decca sitting on a table as I've seen done in some shack pictures. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > The old decca Jeep 5501 cannot strand LMCW 120, 240 or dfcw for long, 3 or > 10 sec dot or normal cw is about their limit on full power. > I have 2 units (6 modules) but prefer my home brew with robust FETS on 137 > Khz. > I likewise have a h/brew fet pa for 500 Khz class E and it is virtually > indestructable when correctly adjusted using a scope. > > G3KEV -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.19/2099 - Release Date: 05/05/09 13:07:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME021-9be4a09cc73ea; Tue, 12 May 2009 15:22:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME062-9be4a09cc73ea; Tue, 12 May 2009 15:22:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3xXy-0005HO-W8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:21:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3xXy-0005HF-Kf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:21:50 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3xXw-0003ia-CO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:21:50 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AggGAK9pCUpOkJl5/2dsb2JhbACCJyyBfYRbgmMGwXKEAgU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.153.121]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 20:21:43 +0100 Message-ID: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 20:21:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 acty Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C9D33F.4398AF50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C9D33F.4398AF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G3CWI and G3KEV all on hi speed CW. Mal/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C9D33F.4398AF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G3CWI a= nd G3KEV=20 all on hi speed CW.

Mal/G3KEV

------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C9D33F.4398AF50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG053-a124a1439191e7; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:09:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG054-a124a1439191e7; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:08:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6pGt-0003rf-Ah for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 18:08:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6pGs-0003rW-Vi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 18:08:02 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s41.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6pGq-0002g4-NZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 18:08:02 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W44 ([64.4.56.144]) by bay0-omc3-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 May 2009 10:07:50 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 19:07:50 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2009 17:07:50.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[81A4E5A0:01C9D96D] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_48fd9084-3f4d-4c4a-84d6-eeccaaab3b63_" Subject: LF: XGJ_090520 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_48fd9084-3f4d-4c4a-84d6-eeccaaab3b63_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF! I had switched my receiver on about one hour before sunrise and I saw nice s= ignal XGJ. It was very interesting. I will try receive your signal this nigh= t as well. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS _________________________________________________________________ P=F8et=E1hn=ECte si fotografie p=F8=EDmo do chatu v Messenger. Jak se do d= =ECl=E1. http://download.live.com/messenger=3D --_48fd9084-3f4d-4c4a-84d6-eeccaaab3b63_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF!
I had switched my receiver on about one hour before sun= rise and I saw nice signal XGJ. It was very interesting. I will try receive=20= your signal this night as well.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu=20= Klikni zde! =3D --_48fd9084-3f4d-4c4a-84d6-eeccaaab3b63_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB051-abb4a0212da30a; Wed, 06 May 2009 18:45:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB041-abb4a0212da30a; Wed, 06 May 2009 18:44:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1pq9-0000TT-Dv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 23:43:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1pq9-0000TK-19 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 23:43:49 +0100 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1pq7-0007On-74 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 23:43:48 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.13] (helo=3.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #88) id 1M1pq6-0000bj-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 00:43:46 +0200 Received: from w33ee.w.pppool.de ([89.58.51.238]:1602 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 3.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M1pq5-0005gn-Hu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 00:43:46 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A020399.70309@toya.net.pl> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 00:43:44 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcnOlYrsUmILW8C4ROmyQH6l8nxhBQABl7nQ X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: AW: Re: wspr r1.12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hey Gus, not bad...... 2240 -5 1.1 0.504521 -1 SM6BHZ JO57 30 Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2009 23:57 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: wspr r1.12 Peter and group, I just run the new release, dial 503 kHz tx 504,5 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Piotr M=B3ynarski" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:39 PM Subject: LF: wspr r1.12 > Hello LF Group, > a new release of wspr software ( v1.12) is available to download from=20 > wsjt home pages > now you can type in the LF/MF frequencies without problems which were=20 > present in the 1.11 version > > 73 de peter,=20 > sq7mpj > qth: lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (rly-mc05.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.89]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC082-d754a0860982b2; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:30:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC055-d754a0860982b2; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:30:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3ZJU-0005lv-O6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:29:16 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3ZJU-0005lm-6F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:29:16 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3ZJS-0004uZ-BU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:29:16 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswEALL9B0pOkKUV/2dsb2JhbACEUMhUhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.165.21]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 11 May 2009 18:29:06 +0100 Message-ID: <008f01c9d25d$fca78bc0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003401c9d201$9fa60e30$6551e00a@bxi> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:28:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: WPF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Marcin Will look out for u if possible on CW and qrs3 depending on ur signal. A qso should be possible. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcin" To: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: LF: Re: WPF > Hello! > Is there anyone to sked 136kHz? > Plise about LF sked to saturday (16 may 2009); in the evening; QRSS or CW; > 137,710kHz.. > We have QRV on SP2KDS Club: JO94II ,1W EIRP, longwire antena 30m/110m. > -- > Vy 73! > Marcin SQ2BXI > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 11:43:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB073-aee4a00a59b1; Tue, 05 May 2009 16:46:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB104-aee4a00a59b1; Tue, 05 May 2009 16:46:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1RWQ-0003Kh-Vu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:45:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1RWQ-0003KY-9E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:45:50 +0100 Received: from mout5.freenet.de ([195.4.92.95]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1RWP-0006NW-BC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:45:50 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.17] (helo=7.mx.freenet.de) by mout5.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #89) id 1M1RWO-0002HI-37 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:45:48 +0200 Received: from w0464.w.pppool.de ([89.58.4.100]:1327 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 7.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M1RWN-0007tM-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:45:48 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:45:43 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnNvrpPKZrtSmtzTiucWasGazeOXwAA1POw X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC =20 and listen inbetween. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Rik Strobbe : > Hello Gary, LF, > > I just had a first transmission. > I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my > signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > >> OK Rik, >> >> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor, I >> normally use TrueTTY. >> >> Thanks for the info. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Gary, LF, >> >> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >> The way I did it: >> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >> is the audio frequency you get) >> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR BPF >> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >> do that in the main screen. >> >> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >> forget to select reverse mode). >> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >> >> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>> Hello Gary, >>> >>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>> provide a robust signal. >>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>> Hi Rik, >>>> >>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal needs >> to >>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>> partial decode. >>>> >>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>> >>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using >> 85Hz. >>>> >>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Hello Gary, >>>> >>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>>> and options. >>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>> bandwidth. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>> >>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>> >>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >> locator >>>>> :- >>>>> >>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> dear all, >>>>> >>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >> 21UTC >>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF082-9454a214f5e2f4; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:23:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF023-9454a214f5e2f4; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:23:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAQNt-0001u0-32 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:22:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAQNs-0001tr-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:22:08 +0100 Received: from smtp5-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAQNo-0006fk-UH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:22:07 +0100 Received: from smtp5-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53A4D48070 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:22:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp5-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42A0D4800D for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:21:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A214F17.50407@online.fr> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:21:59 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> <88d2415e0905300406p54cf1d54o14cbfebabf5f5216@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905300406p54cf1d54o14cbfebabf5f5216@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: CQ P3CPM now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Henny , Good copy of your Signal in QRSS3 now ! Sorry not qrv at this moment . 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (rly-ma04.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.48]) by air-ma01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA012-8a349fbf16c350; Sat, 02 May 2009 03:08:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA045-8a349fbf16c350; Sat, 02 May 2009 03:08:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M09K3-0005ve-QQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 08:07:43 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M09K3-0005vT-Ed for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 08:07:43 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s17.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.28]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M09K2-0003sl-1b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 08:07:43 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W1 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s17.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 May 2009 00:07:35 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [117.12.236.125] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 23:07:35 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2009 07:07:35.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABC1DE10:01C9CAF4] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8f554c3c-9e56-4103-b66b-cefb01b9dc49_" Subject: LF: Japan X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_8f554c3c-9e56-4103-b66b-cefb01b9dc49_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From 7L1RLL "A new 3.1KHz band width from 135.7KHz to 137.8KHz is assigned f= or amateur radio in Japan since March 30 2009." 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<= hr />Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. See how. =3D --_8f554c3c-9e56-4103-b66b-cefb01b9dc49_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC073-b3349fb8507376; Fri, 01 May 2009 19:26:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC077-b3349fb8507376; Fri, 01 May 2009 19:26:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M026C-00050x-6c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 00:24:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M026B-00050o-Rj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 00:24:55 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s1.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.12]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0269-0008MM-Dw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 00:24:55 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W40 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 1 May 2009 16:24:47 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [117.12.236.125] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 15:24:47 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <58B94240067A4567AF090D36CEC75971@Black> References: <555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> <58B94240067A4567AF090D36CEC75971@Black> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2009 23:24:47.0323 (UTC) FILETIME=[046212B0:01C9CAB4] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2760cde1-c3f0-4634-a31a-fa8fb6325287_" Subject: LF: RU6LA WPF X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_2760cde1-c3f0-4634-a31a-fa8fb6325287_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A very noisy band from local and not so local thunderstorms. RU6LA is around= 6600kms from here started off with a lot of spectrum spread in his signal a= t his dusk, http://www.kl1x.com/1may137.jpg which reduced later. =20 Thanks for the signals! =20 Laurence BY3A - KL 1X Bohai Bay China OM89UA Foggy and Smoggy now =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE:=85more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009=3D --_2760cde1-c3f0-4634-a31a-fa8fb6325287_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A very noisy band from local and not so local thunderstorms. RU6LA is a= round 6600kms from here started off with a lot of spectrum spread in hi= s signal at his dusk,  http://www.kl1x.com/1may137.jpg which reduced later.

Thanks for the signals!

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Check it out. =3D --_2760cde1-c3f0-4634-a31a-fa8fb6325287_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG052-a244a01d6b0346; Wed, 06 May 2009 14:28:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG076-a244a01d6b0346; Wed, 06 May 2009 14:28:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1lpU-0006xK-Lk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:26:52 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1lpU-0006xB-78 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:26:52 +0100 Received: from smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.19]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1lpR-00061s-My for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:26:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 98909 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 18:26:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=nDu6LReJVSZ1SFF48SgfGzTJwgIL6YYB2Nw+Ppe8Ju4TEHBk54tKXYxZM8CgZzEVgKtF2gK1hfI+JVD+JV71IdKYiXTclwYmeRWZ1Ha3gNCPoJzXdfQucHb6Kuf1xSkgY2shXsoa88ZGm96M0eskv6QEBTPhRgdZJKNMc5QWZZI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.110.22 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2009 18:26:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MwfifFMVM1lrXEaTkU7soYGz5Q86WUfuwkB3I_2OIFbFiIhe2KD3y41ZFQJz8MzJePTFbNZDIV7KWQ5ppIr_u5_oX3BBhKNrzJqV81wgxY587cfnyuLPk.H5rwXSZ.ICXt2SvXvlK4cHZDzsmhX2U28puFFD8_HCtpre34KKG5jk9_0dpKVTP5Fk_ha4JqzE52GauSx_zBxIwpRMQe2ugULzpeLCjZ6sKUzJr.jXZIK3CrcoFjs9JFh3M2xGiDBCXDhsy4zaT4XmtVPBLTCILrhrsa4Bfif.JV70KQ1I9ezUkexOmHYl0ZsC_3mcZ.4tFL_Lefm1SkPM_qSgykuhfXZSbOQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6BA400053F4E4A45935BEA7FF2FC10EC@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <00a201c9ce65$850fe540$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <00a201c9ce65$850fe540$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:26:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Richard, LF Group, I would suggest using an "umbrella" top-loaded vertical using a telescopic fibreglass mast. From experience, antennas with horizontal sections like inverted Ls or Ts have the disadvantage of requiring at least two masts (unless there is a suitable support already on your hilltop), and are a real handful when the wind starts blowing due to the masts flexing, requiring several guys to keep the antenna in shape. The umbrella is somewhat less efficient for the same overall height, but only needs a single mast, and the sloping top loading wires double as guys to keep the mast straight. The height is the most important dimension. A 10m mast would make a reasonable 500kHz antenna. For a reasonable estimate of antenna capacitance, assume 6pF per meter of wire. For antennas with a number of wires running close together, such as an umbrella, the actual capacitance will be a bit lower due to proximity effects, but this is a good first estimate. You can use NEC antenna simulators to calculate the capacitance quite accurately, although the resistance will probably be way off. Small antennas will have very sharp resonance, so you will want to add a variometer to your loading coil, or some other means of fine tuning. G4FGQ's DOS software runs fine in a DOS box under Windows 98 and Vista here. For insulated ground radials to work well, their capacitance to ground needs to be much larger than that of the antenna, so you probably want a few hundred metres of wire in total. If the ground is soft, a few 1m ground rods connected together works well as a ground. There is a lot of handy info on LF antennas at http://www.wireless.org.uk/on7yd/index.htm Hope to work you /P soon... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU > >> Dear all >> >> I am hoping to be granted an NoV for portable operating on 500kHz. I >> have parts on order for the GW3UEP Economy transmitter which will be run >> on 12 Volts. Suggestions for portable aerials that can be set-up by one >> person on remote and windy hilltops will be most welcome. >> >> 73 >> >> Richard >> G3CWI >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB073-d2449fd4ec827f; Sun, 03 May 2009 03:59:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB088-d2449fd4ec827f; Sun, 03 May 2009 03:59:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0Wa1-0001Qk-6m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 08:57:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0Wa0-0001Qb-SR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 08:57:44 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s7.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0WZz-0004sq-Hm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 08:57:44 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W1 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 3 May 2009 00:57:16 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.244.2] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 23:57:16 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2009 07:57:16.0634 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6D053A0:01C9CBC4] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_aeeb994f-c935-4de9-bfcd-745190c08f34_" Subject: LF: RU6LA X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_aeeb994f-c935-4de9-bfcd-745190c08f34_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 A little weaker over here in NE China last night Ed but still full ID.=20 =20 Dang Summer thunderstorms.. =20 Laurence BY3A Bohai Bay 90F sunny SDR IQ + Baby bottle Probe, City Centre location -=20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009=3D --_aeeb994f-c935-4de9-bfcd-745190c08f34_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A little weaker over here in NE China last night Ed but still full ID.

Dang Summer thunderstorms..

Laurence BY3A Bohai Bay
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<88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com>, <88d2415e0905300406p54cf1d54o14cbfebabf5f5216@mail.gmail.com>, <4A214F8E.3090002@online.fr> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/5Y4StLod/xt3EPrHflkeGOzYLzCoynungDoJ DH/TN2Q2/oZKaDqf1Kle0Yk6vH6sMx3AGIoEhhtmHyO9q6ZL9V 18dt3hns88AJ6Fyf7lGQhGeu346pe4h X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: CQ P3CPM now Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 30 May 2009 at 17:23, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Not QRSS3 =3D> QRSS10 !!!!!! >=20 > Hello Henny , >=20 > Good copy of your Signal in QRSS3 now ! >=20 > Sorry not qrv at this moment . >=20 > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj >=20 >=20 P3CPM. North Korea on LF - Really????? 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF084-53b49ff4c27122; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:12:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF034-53b49ff4c27122; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:12:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M14W8-0006ad-Mb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:12:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M14W8-0006aU-6R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:12:00 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f213.google.com ([209.85.217.213]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M14W6-0002xw-GC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:12:00 +0100 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so8934545gxk.4 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 13:11:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=KjLrvFWzAi7AGOzIHDwZROkE6h29zo7Z2nuHHAEZ9Lg=; b=s1u3BxfVOU6xlnfGik1jUINVo+c8rWf6iD2ipAoGz6BodM9uy6hCS5SdubgpJ1RSmN lyiS+WY1X88UwfcsvA2PksbVI3MYdzZMvwRvHA/5YQZ4fcM+KX97+QLm7fQY1JtLEow4 S/4Bfr1Czex/ezM6CdX6/XSnGOayGXzydPcJg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=oZuG9AjAoRYDitTIvebdeUMX1Z7+h9u51IF5tV18Y2lomXF8Yul5yXlczwTmN2+m28 RytFVtVMbrtk6o07V/mR6z+si05dFIlGnrR/vyWmP2wRdGFTR9op4NxVxZlQKns4E6yz DnOSPVHPegwzPuDFsZFpLVHbgAQvKoQmSQ1OE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.123.5 with SMTP id a5mr12671972ybn.207.1241467911916; Mon, 04 May 2009 13:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 21:11:51 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905041311m2b3902d4m19e5460371c5ff88@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_00_10=0.642,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Racal 5501 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f1288e3cd4004691bc519 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d233.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f1288e3cd4004691bc519 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments that I could buy? One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to about a third, so far can't find the fault. 73 Laurie G3AQC --001e680f1288e3cd4004691bc519 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,
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so far can't find the fault. 73 Laurie G3AQC
--001e680f1288e3cd4004691bc519-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB072-aef4a0e8c30283; Sat, 16 May 2009 05:49:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB105-aef4a0e8c30283; Sat, 16 May 2009 05:49:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5GVU-0001pM-70 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:48:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5GVT-0001pD-Jh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:48:39 +0100 Received: from smtp106.tnz.mail.aue.yahoo.com ([124.108.96.75]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5GVO-0006y0-Cq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:48:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 54121 invoked from network); 16 May 2009 09:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sooby.xtra.co.nz) (bjhayes@219.88.52.245 with login) by smtp106.tnz.mail.aue.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 09:47:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QI7_EiYVM1meD5datH_ONRhbcnHsI0l4Uz6tuuTeE_41n9Vy4qLNbCsCPXDugZv92dtzsoulUiz1zH9MySYlqE6GpeXxT3UacSOXbmQ0mSyNVAcGRoHmIioS49yiozPQdp1w7qmslG7Zh4I7XRfrXl_s X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20090516191226.01a127b0@xtra.co.nz> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 20:30:37 +1200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Brenda Hayes Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: BC221T Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LF friends, Mention of the BC221 brings back some memories. Here in ZL land we still enjoy very privileged access to the LF region, beginning in the early 1990's. In fact, things got even better as time went on - the original 165-190 kHz expanded to 130-190 kHz. Currently, we can run 5 watts EIRP, any mode, all the way. I have had some great CW contacts on 181.4 kHz and SSB QSO's on 182.7 kHz. My semi-retired very modified ex-NDB transmitter can poke most of a kW down the feedline. However, my best estimate of EIRP scores about 3 watts ! Sadly, the grim reaper has taken his toll on our ZL enthusiasts. Several of our early friends have became silent keys. However, one or two of us are gearing up for 136 kHz operation where our VK brothers should be active soon. Back to the BC221 - my first LF transmitter used a BC221 as a VFO, buffered on into a pair of 6146's. In fact, I still own two or three BC221's and an allied LM11. For their era, they were a wonderfully stable signal source. One gripe is the reluctance of our licencing authorities to allow even conditional access into the 500kHz area. I gather that there are still some emergency services using this frequency in the Pacific region. Kevin, ZL4MD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME042-9cd4a0c6e77383; Thu, 14 May 2009 15:18:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME081-9cd4a0c6e77383; Thu, 14 May 2009 15:18:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4gQZ-0000aH-IY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:17:11 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4gQZ-0000a8-5k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:17:11 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.187]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4gQW-0001xu-OA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:17:11 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host86-177-27-244.range86-177.btcentralplus.com [86.177.27.244]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKuxg-1M4gQN10Jc-00013Z; Thu, 14 May 2009 21:17:01 +0200 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:16:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A0C7C32.1551.2F6430D@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <4A0C5AB9.2090700@btconnect.com> References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com>, , <4A0C5AB9.2090700@btconnect.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/zeMGjkkMbna2bBdeq/HnWOCoTGXJTTdl6app gau/PKDmPnblLiYdCRx+D3fNBpYVy0ZTB7BQ79/TrvPvIsDXAS SQbRXN6APVNZ4e4fnud1LUvYFMzJS6e X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 14 May 2009 at 18:54, Richard Newstead wrote: > The 1749 sequence was just detectable here tonight - too weak to read > the CW. For your information Andy I copy your beacon solid s9 here in Bracknell, usually copying 5 or 6 of the keyed tones. But hardly DX... As I emailed Richard directly I can just about copy him. It may be a good demonstration of the slow QSB effect we get on 500k - sometimes absolutely zilch copy, other times q5 but VERY weak, just above the noise. I did try calling Richard on Tuesday but that revealed a slight annoyance in my tx - the VXO runs continuously and can be heard fairly weakly on channel and enough to wipe out Richard's signal so I had to call 'off channel'. I had not been aware of this problem before as most other signals they are well above it. I am now active on the band again from time to time, alternating with the HF bands. So far only QSOd Chris G3XIZ. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC032-d664a15376914c; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:14:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC036-d664a15376914c; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:13:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M76Cb-00070Y-KL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:12:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M76Cb-00070P-6K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:12:45 +0100 Received: from smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.234]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M76CZ-0007gm-IZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:12:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 20970 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 11:12:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=E9kUr0HAOF/uBgQyWMHAbzUY2MjoWwtItm6pSQ5CWa5ulXCy+eIt4Z66YEMSAbzWhkD7k8K4dnGj7ZcRvUPHRKoMZbftjsJPzIz+b15XTkPXsH2owaCCmuAH1fLuA8hZ/kumXoIrj3Ica7gax83kWo4WQJIPVLVujQtwkeg5yuk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@81.131.44.242 with login) by smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 11:12:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WlSeyzsVM1mWaEGw5u3zUqrIh2qVWUhZ.g5cpLMv_pyZxMWcroXBZpCLA8gPX_S5.o2lnQAqg_H0vpnEAcfi_FZJyBgBfKWD.7x17k_VyOWtlQFItv6L6rvhKKdB3pJz50Hu62n1ht0e2btycmGZWn5GqwBa.w.26rtJo7jQpqxGkmv85oCCRgQYFBmelO8QNY6lb42BRCMa39fsPu75V1Z8gHHnSEh7fcuD4DJR._hqSrUhSat_bnqs3fzOhYe25DV_LiDkWJDGgCnNKbnnoGCOIdzMxGcXRStccL2HBaW7g1hEu0cb4_1VUSC1YoNzBD9e4FkBZ1KLuabhrBEbM_haVXGe X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <003701c9da05$12e59fe0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> <001501c9d93c$7a2bb640$6401a8c0@asus> <6651D2695E544D67B12A34A8183A52C2@JimPC> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:32:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Jim ah now that is nice, it nicely get round the loading effects on the bridged-T in a 50 ohm environment. I guess a higher Q coil would be easy to fabricate if necessary. May I add that to the page on the filter on my site please? Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:02 AM Subject: LF: Re: 518khz - Notch Filter. > Dear Gary, LF group, > > Since this kind of notch filter has other useful applications too, I had a > go at designing something useable from available bits. I used an IF > transformer from an ancient transistor radio as a parallel-tuned trap - see > the attachment.The circuit is essentially an RF bridge - the1:1 transformer > and preset resistor balance out the finite resistance of the trap at > resonance. This is a similar principle to Alan's bridged-T circuit. With > critical "safe-cracking" adjustments, rejection of 60dB can be achieved at a > spot frequency, although the notch is very narrow. But >30dB can be achieved > over a useful bandwidth. The 3n3 capacitors flatten out the passband near > the cut off frequency and make the response a squarer shape on the LF side > of the notch. The improved notch depth is traded off for higher insertion > loss, but this is still fairly reasonable at around 4dB. The input/output > impedances should be of the order of 50 ohms, but are not critical. You > could make a better filter if the Q was higher - the IF transformer had Q > around 90; an MW ferrite rod aerial can have a Q of 200 or so at this > frequency. > > The performance of my prototype with 50R source and load looked like this: > > Loss in passband - 4dB > Response down by 3dB at 348kHz, 511.5kHz, 540kHz > Bandwidth of rejection notch at -20dB: 2.2kHz, -30dB: 700Hz, -40dB: 200Hz > > Looking at G4WGT's grabber, that should be adequate to more or less > eliminate the Navtex signal image. When I put it between my antenna and RX, > it certainly reduced the louder Navtex signals from S9 down into the noise. > > Cheers, Jim moritz > 73 de M0BMU > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC023-b334a0e94289b; Sat, 16 May 2009 06:23:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC077-b334a0e94289b; Sat, 16 May 2009 06:23:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5H2Z-00028h-L1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 11:22:51 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5H2Z-00028Y-5X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 11:22:51 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5H2X-0002tO-2W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 11:22:51 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFAGswDkpOlWem/2dsb2JhbACEUssehAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.103.166]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 11:21:42 +0100 Message-ID: <004901c9d610$1b647900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11229299AE3@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:06:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Re: Wavemeters Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 What model Chrs ? I have a lot of old equipment, 2 x R1155, TU7B tuning unit old Collins aero LF/MF atu. I should get it all connected up for a real old LF/MF radio station. I also have 2 x bathtub morse keys ex Shackleton/Lancaster and one out of a B47, plus others ex marine. I just need an old Lancaster or Flying Fortress cockpit. I must check ebay. 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Trayner" To: Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: LF: Wavemeters Talking of wavemeters, I have a class D wavemeter surplus to requirements. Anyone want it? Free to a good home. 73, Chris G4OKW -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2117 - Release Date: 05/15/09 17:55:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-ae04a19bdd3260; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:36:46 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB086-ae04a19bdd3260; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:36:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8LM6-00025V-58 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:35:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8LM5-00025M-Q3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:35:41 +0100 Received: from imr-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.159.7]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8LM2-0002Eh-HB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:35:40 +0100 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a19bda2153; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:35:30 -0400 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c92.4a0eb38d (34980) for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Black (g229068168.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.68.168]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA085-88a44a19bd9e29a; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:35:28 -0400 Message-ID: <6795A1FF1E9F491596BE84FE3FBB7BD0@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> In-Reply-To: <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:35:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: SP2KDS Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C9DCC8.4B85A730" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C9DCC8.4B85A730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Marcin, this is what your signal looked like here on the colour-DF screen, using a more favourable palette for your direction. 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME061-9aa4a202bde2f8; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:39:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME036-9aa4a202bde2f8; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:39:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MA6yf-0005ab-NB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:38:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MA6yf-0005aS-5m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:38:49 +0100 Received: from wmsmtp.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.253] helo=otmx.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MA6yd-0004Ps-10 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:38:49 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjcFABvJH0pOlr7//2dsb2JhbACCJiyCB4kmw2WEDAU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.190.255]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 19:38:33 +0100 Message-ID: <002601c9e08c$abb048f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:38:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: IK5ZPV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9E095.0D392E90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9E095.0D392E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos I have worked him many times in the past on normal CW 579/579=20 Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: LF: IK5ZPV Hello LF! I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV in QRSS3 mode. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zd= e!=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.44/2140 - Release Date: 05/28/09= 18:09:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9E095.0D392E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lubos

I have worked him many times in the past on normal C= W=20 579/579

Mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

Lubos OK2= BVG=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:21 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: LF: IK5ZPV

Hello LF!
I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV=20= in=20 QRSS3 mode.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde!=20

No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9E095.0D392E90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG011-6024a1d976d2e7; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:41:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG113-6024a1d976d2e7; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:41:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9Oz3-0000ET-G7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:40:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9Oz3-0000EK-5B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:40:17 +0100 Received: from wmsmtp.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.253] helo=otmx.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9Oz0-0001IP-LB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:40:16 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtoEAPAzHUpOlHY7/2dsb2JhbACCJyuCA4dLBsMthAwF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.118.59]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 27 May 2009 20:40:02 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01c9df02$ed931da0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:38:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C9DF0B.23328EC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C9DF0B.23328EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SM6BHZ 57 on USB 505 Khz at 1938 utc G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C9DF0B.23328EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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G3KEV

------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C9DF0B.23328EC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (rly-ma05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.49]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA093-8aa4a02fcaf366; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:22:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA054-8aa4a02fcaf366; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:22:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M25Ps-00022P-U2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:21:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M25Ps-00022G-Ic for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:21:44 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M25Pq-0007AG-Bq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:21:44 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFAC97B8053 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:21:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-199.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.199]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17FE31E702 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:21:32 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 17:21:35 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <351E24E134154160986CF3C5CC07321A@2a2d7ed321c6425> References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506225829.1vrsvh9ozjwcwog8@webmail 4.kuleuven.be> <351E24E134154160986CF3C5CC07321A@2a2d7ed321c6425> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090507152132.C17FE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: FM-Hell Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear all, I will do some FM-Hell transmissions tonight on 503.5kHz from 20:30 UTC til 21:20 UTC starting every 10 minutes. Between transmissions I will "listen" on the same frequency. Report are welcome. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF043-54e4a08a6a886; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:29:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF053-54e4a08a6a886; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:28:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dz1-0007cB-Jl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:28:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dz1-0007c2-8j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:28:27 +0100 Received: from mailout08.t-online.de ([194.25.134.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3dyx-0001HL-Ml for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:28:26 +0100 Received: from fwd10.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1M3dxu-0002jX-01; Tue, 12 May 2009 00:27:18 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (VOiwwyZprhAnPkmUnuByDLWgSwao-3HRBhzP7SPuUWlEweEqT5ocpAOX+2dHBBbwOZ@[93.196.34.151]) by fwd10.t-online.de with esmtp id 1M3dxj-1eZn860; Tue, 12 May 2009 00:27:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References:<92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> In-Reply-To:<92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.07.0001 Date: 11 May 2009 22:24 GMT Message-ID: <1M3dxj-1eZn860@fwd10.t-online.de> X-ID: VOiwwyZprhAnPkmUnuByDLWgSwao-3HRBhzP7SPuUWlEweEqT5ocpAOX+2dHBBbwOZ X-TOI-MSGID: 21ea0963-1a59-4993-88a7-e86662eaec12 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="__Next_1242080691_Part258__" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --__Next_1242080691_Part258__ Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Dear Gus, good copy of your CW signal on 505,5 kHz around 22.20 UTC here in eastern Bavaria, JN68GN. SSB is difficult to read in QRN. OK? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Gus" schrieb: Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ --__Next_1242080691_Part258__ Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit T-Online eMail Dear Gus,

good copy of your CW signal on 505,5 kHz around 22.20 UTC here in eastern Bavaria, JN68GN. SSB is difficult to read in QRN.

OK?

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB

"Gus" <begu@algonet.se> schrieb:

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include....

Reports are wellcome.

73 de Gus SM6BHZ

--__Next_1242080691_Part258__-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-5314a032d1a9d; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:49:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF024-5314a032d1a9d; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:49:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M28dr-0002b0-Fy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:48:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M28dr-0002ar-4q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:48:23 +0100 Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com ([64.136.47.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M28dp-0006gI-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:48:23 +0100 X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFAGMFNAFPUPG2 for (sender ); Thu, 7 May 2009 11:47:08 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g21GJOtXAsiQ/71APa81vj6DInR9vF3DmJs7g+7fROiurEqiAwQjyw== Received: (from cw4ever4@juno.com) by m04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PFYVFVCU; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:46:51 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:46:13 -0400 Message-ID: <20090507.144613.2232.3.cw4ever4@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.1.83 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert H Reif X-ContentStamp: 0:0:0 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.dca.untd.com|cw4ever4@juno.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: AFJ's grabber is ON ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ____________________________________________________________ Click here for the best streaming video solutions on the web! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTE3AsXzuPg0DLjwb1l1X0vWZxk1OkWF25NWRNQE5GHOCR5cYdAkVK/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC073-b0a4a0327ec39f; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:27:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC026-b0a4a0327ec39f; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:26:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M28IQ-0002TI-5v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:26:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M28IP-0002T9-SL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:26:13 +0100 Received: from smtp2-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.2]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M28IN-0001EZ-JA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:26:13 +0100 Received: from smtp2-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221554B0088 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:25:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE7D4B0179 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:25:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A03279D.4060702@online.fr> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 20:25:33 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <008501c9ce63$c07ecf30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905061229w6c853f60w291cca01c39eec09@mail.gmail.com> <002801c9cf20$9c4dfe70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905071109yf108b14mce42ee2169148545@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70905071109yf108b14mce42ee2169148545@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: AFJ's grabber is ON ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF , I am return to the QRA , my grabber is ON tonight 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME044-9a74a1a4a1416d; Mon, 25 May 2009 03:34:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME033-9a74a1a4a1416d; Mon, 25 May 2009 03:34:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Ugl-0003TK-PE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:33:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Ugl-0003TB-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:33:39 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.186]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Ugi-0004VZ-Nv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:33:38 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host86-177-27-16.range86-177.btcentralplus.com [86.177.27.16]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKv5w-1M8Ugb1a9l-0001eU; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:33:31 +0200 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:33:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A1A57D8.17526.70A98D@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <108EF969E1FE4E14821FD0B03287232F@JimPC> References: <108EF969E1FE4E14821FD0B03287232F@JimPC> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+b73u18yNv0P1vV03MK07qn01IsdtFa2OTnGo kELE00xhXjf0BI6/wkavltgw3tN9BY3h3+353DW7ozQRQGo5Dx m8XGtrGaItEjUJdlcW5wzsfNs5TvXN/ X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 24 May 2009 at 18:24, James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > Just worked G0MRF at 1705utc. Signal was 549 - apparently they are still > working on the antenna, so might improve yet... Got a good report from > them, so obviously receiving OK. Good luck for the rest of the > operation, David and Garo. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > I listened on and off to David's signal yesterday evening between other jobs. Some observations.... G0MRF (/P but not sending /P, which I thought was a bit confusing) was 569 here in Bracknell, later peaking 579 but the static was intolerable from around 9pm making copy very hard. I did give David a couple of calls after he finished his QSO with Chris G3XIZ but obviously he didn't hear, hardly surprising with my setup and in any case I found the tuning had gone off and I had a bad SWR, a problem with sharply tuned short verticals. When David and Chris paused to listen for Laurie G3AQC I briefly heard somebody else calling David, very weak, but neither station seemed to hear him as they carried on with the QSO before I could hear the callsign. I thought from the signal strength it might have been G3CWI but I gather Richard never heard David. Relative signal strengths (not very scientific) for comparison purposes: G0MRF 569 M0BMU 599+ G3XIZ 599+ M0FMT (?) 589 G3KEV 589 G3CWI - 439 And for reference, G3JNT beacon 599 and I could copy 7 of the tones last night (before the static came up). I don't know what sort of antenna David was using, I guess he will fill us in later. But if he had a big antenna in a big field, which he suggested, my feeling is he was not the big signal we should have expected. My copy of Andy's signal ties in with this, Andy is slightly nearer but not significantly so the fact that David was considerably weaker tells me a lot. I would also comment that beaconing for long periods while on these sort of special trips may not be the most profitable use of the time. I guess there were quite a few others wanting to have quick QSOs who did not have the chance. If David did go into QSO mode again later he would have not found it very productive due to the crippling static. Also the problem of some not copying David led to others calling CQs virtually on top, as Mal G3KEV did at one time, I guess an unfortunate problem with 500kHz for which I don't know the answer. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA073-a604a212296275; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:12:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA038-a604a212296275; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:12:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MANPA-0000jC-JJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:11:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MANPA-0000j3-1Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:11:16 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MANP7-0005mg-8G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:11:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 27033 invoked by uid 0); 30 May 2009 12:11:07 -0000 Received: from 85.178.115.40 by www111.gmx.net with HTTP; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:11:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:11:07 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: <20090530104723.9kgijndilgu80oo8@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Message-ID: <20090530121107.38810@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20090529121437.120FDF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <846AFC8AED804851AE6CA1E83B356E9F@JimPC> <20090530104723.9kgijndilgu80oo8@webmail4.kuleuven.be> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18bzFZfNkYbrOxGDVdQCY1AdVHX9+Y5szapn73kJs 00yXpl4kVFOgVxLzco3NXvQCxJmYels+qhXw== X-GMX-UID: aBUTex0nIydmaPuASmdrtA5Sa2FkZlX9 X-FuHaFi: 0.53 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Subject: LF: reports 28.V. + 29.V. + 30.V.2009 from Berlin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi! Following signals observed on 600m: qth Berlin city JO62RM RX homemade simple superhet Bandwidth abt. 110Hz ANT wireloop abt. 15sqm, 10m agl. in a linden tree „pointing Iceland“ = NW/SE 28.V.2009 16:00Z – 16:30Z and 19:43Z – 19:50Z (still daylight) DI2AM, OK0EMW and all the others in the „beacon cluster“ around 505.1kHz: NIL hrd 28.V.2009 19:52Z – 21:54Z DI2AM qsb to 0, mostly 339, 449, later 559 sometimes OK0EMW emerging at 21:17Z RST 329 29.V.2009 15:57Z – 17:19Z = daytime DI2AM, OK0EMW and all the others in the „beacon cluster“ around 505.1kHz: agn NIL hrd 29.V.2009 22:47Z – 23:32Z DI2AM qsb, sometimes nil, peaking 559 loud and clear OK0EMW and all the others in the „beacon cluster“ around 505.1kHz: NIL hrd 29.V.2009 - 30.V.2009 23:33Z – 00:51Z = dawn SK6RUD 439 – 559 distance 538km much more constant than DI2AM, never dropping to zero would have been always readable CW over 78 minutes! I suppose in difference to DI2AM, no groundwave interfering. Finally and for the first time (!) here th qrg 500,000kHz was without local interferences! Thank You all for the background music :) Vy73 Dennis DL6NVC -- Nur bis 31.05.: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate und Telefonanschluss nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-9c04a1eadea17e; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:30:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME064-9c04a1eadea17e; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:29:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9hWz-0002i5-4M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:28:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9hWy-0002hw-OM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:28:32 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9hWv-0008Tn-GP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:28:31 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EACJKHkpOlpzE/2dsb2JhbACEVstEgjmBVAU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.156.196]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 16:28:23 +0100 Message-ID: <004d01c9dfa8$f0ac6720$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003201c9df81$e9e4c8f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905280624k3bd34499he4b67d5af33bae52@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:28:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Interesting info Warren. All of my old Airforce equipment RAF and USAF is in very good condx.and I know how to use it. All I need is a B29 to check it out AIR to GROUND. Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF > The BC-306 tuning is a good one too. Inside it is a tapped coil + > variometer, maximum inductance about 1.2 mH. > > http://www.questmasters.us/B-24_Page_3.html > http://eshop1.chem.buffalo.edu/600-Meter-TX.html > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 6:47 AM, mal hamilton > wrote: >> Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 called MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER >> AIRCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with 200 feet trailing wire >> antenna. >> Contains variometer, switches and vac relay. >> I have a nice specimen at my QTH. >> Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching. >> Maybe someone has used one in a B29 >> >> G3KEV >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/27/09 18:21:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA063-a504a1dc7c51f7; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:08:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA018-a504a1dc7c51f7; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:07:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9SDW-000105-Jn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:07:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9SDW-0000zw-7V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:07:26 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9SDT-0006ME-Tx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: LF: reports SM6BHZ OK0EMW DI2AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > 25.V.2009 of course I mean 27.V.2009 Shouldn't send mails when just sleeping ;) -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss f�r nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB073-aab4a0bdd5f50; Thu, 14 May 2009 04:59:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB021-aab4a0bdd5f50; 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boundary=001e680f15984c84660469db850f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d229.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f15984c84660469db850f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No dispute this time. Laurie 2009/5/12 mal hamilton > Lawerence > No one is disputing downward SLOPE reduces the effective height. We are > discussing 500 Khz PORTABLE and the most convenient way to erect a suitable > antenna with minimum effort and you agree at 500 Khz it will not be a > serious disadvantage to have such a slope. > therefore a single mast and some slope is acceptable. You are AGREEING > wiith me so I am confused by your email !!!!!! The topic is 500 Khz > PORTABLE. > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* lawrence mayhead > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:02 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable > > I fully agree with Mike and Andy, any slope downward will reduce the > effective height of the antenna, and hence its radiation resistance. > This may not be too much of a problem on 500kHz where enough RF can be > generated but on 136 not so good and on 73 useless. > I have proved this in practice as well as by simulation. > So there you are Mal. > Laurie G3AQC > > 2009/5/12 Andy Talbot > >> A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to become a >> loop with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather than a >> vertical. ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tenth of a >> wavelength cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered in >> its entirety. Such is obvious even before resorting to modelling. Mike was >> referring to electrically short antennas where the downward sloping part >> simply opposes the current flow in the upward path. >> >> A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too >> noticeable in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could do >> more good than its slope undoes. >> >> Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude >> and treating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as >> second-class radio-ams, you stop and read the exam question. >> >> Andy G4JNT >> wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom >> >> >> 2009/5/12 mal hamilton >> >> You are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and >>> especially antennas. >>> I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with the far end >>> just above ground , and in normal CW mode. >>> Some time ago it was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil formers, >>> thought an AR88D was a diversity fly catcher. >>> What is coming next? The diversity UMBRELLA!!!! >>> My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 100 ft high and performs >>> well but for some this might be difficult, therefore use what you can get on >>> your property and let the far end tilt down if necessary. >>> G3KEV >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" < >>> mike.dennison@ntlworld.com> >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM >>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable >>> >>> >>> You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. >>>>> The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied >>>>> to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far >>>>> away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it >>>>> simple. mal/g3kev >>>>> >>>> >>>> This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards will reduce the effective >>>> height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the >>>> effective height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far >>>> preferable to an inverted-L in a single mast situation because a >>>> large amount of capacitance to ground can be achieved without much >>>> reduction of effective height. >>>> >>>> Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my >>>> advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are >>>> very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Keep well away from >>>> wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is >>>> power lost. >>>> >>>> Mike, G3XDV >>>> ========== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: >>> 05/11/09 16:14:00 >>> >>> >>> >> > ------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 > 16:14:00 > > --001e680f15984c84660469db850f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No dispute this time.
Laurie

2009/5/12=20= mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk.net>

Lawerence

No one is disputing downward SLOPE redu= ces the=20 effective height. We are discussing 500 Khz PORTABLE and the most convenient= way=20 to erect a suitable antenna with minimum effort and you agree at 500 Khz it=20= will=20 not be a serious disadvantage to have such a slope.

therefore a single mast and some slope=20= is=20 acceptable. You are AGREEING wiith me so I am confused by your email !!!!!!=20= The=20 topic is 500 Khz PORTABLE.

G3KEV

=A0

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:02 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz=20 Portable

I fully agree with Mike and Andy, any slope downward will=20 reduce the effective height of the antenna, and hence its radiation=20 resistance.
This may not be too much of a problem on 500kHz where enoug= h RF=20 can be generated but on 136 not so good and on 73=A0 useless.
I have=20 proved this in practice as well as by simulation.
So there you are=20 Mal.
Laurie G3AQC

2009/5/12 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googl= email.com>

A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to beco= me a=20 loop with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather tha= n a=20 vertical.=A0=A0 ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tenth of=20 a wavelength cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered= in=20 its entirety.=A0 Such is obvious even before resorting to=20 modelling.=A0 Mike was referring to electrically short antennas where th= e=20 downward sloping part simply opposes the current flow in the upward=20 path.=A0=A0=A0

=A0

A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too=20 noticeable in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could d= o=20 more good than its slope undoes.

=A0

Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude=20 and=A0treating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as= =20 second-class radio-ams, you stop and read the exam question.

Andy =A0G4JNT
wobbleU cubed=20 .g4jnt.kom

2009/5/12 mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk= .net>

You=20 are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and especial= ly=20 antennas.
I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas wit= h=20 the far end just above ground , and in normal CW mode.
Some time ag= o it=20 was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil =A0formers, thought an=20 AR88D was a =A0diversity fly catcher.
What is coming next? The=20 diversity UMBRELLA!!!!
My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv= L,=20 100 ft high and performs well but for some this might be difficult,=20 therefore use what you can get on your property and let the far end ti= lt=20 down if necessary.
G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- From:=20 "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May=20 12, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable

<= br>

You=20 do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna.
The so called=20 horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied
to a bus= h or=20 tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far
away as= =20 possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep=20 it
simple. mal/g3kev

This is quite wrong. A= ny=20 slope downwards will reduce the effective
height of a Marconi. Si= nce=20 ERP is a function of the square of the
effective height this is=20 extremely important. An umbrella is far
preferable to an inverted= -L=20 in a single mast situation because a
large amount of capacitance=20= to=20 ground can be achieved without much
reduction of effective=20 height.

Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and= =20 136kHz), my
advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a= =20 Marconi are
very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Kee= p=20 well away from
wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any=20 voltage leaked is
power lost.

Mike,=20 G3XDV
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--001e680f15984c84660469db850f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC053-b1b4a0764b542; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:35:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC047-b1b4a0764b542; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:35:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3IXn-00032d-Ij for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:34:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3IXn-00032T-5a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:34:55 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.191] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3IXk-0002oJ-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:34:54 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3608.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DD0287000083 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:34:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3608.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 9F51F7000081 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:34:47 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510233447652.9F51F7000081@mwinf3608.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <339FDEB7AF83442F934350E3A730974B@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> In-Reply-To: <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 00:34:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon QRT - 2345 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 QRT 2345 GMT Thanks to all who sent in reports , hope the test was of use , re , less than 100 Hz bw modes 73 Graham g0nbd -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:51 PM To: Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream > same text , 60 sec repeat .. > > > PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz = 503.20k cent rf > > MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz = 503,00k cent rf > > ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz = 502.70 k cent rf > > > Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' > lock > up time ? > > Graham > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Graham" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM > To: > Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > >> >> All, >> >> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >> >> G .. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Graham" >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >> To: >> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >> >>> >>> All >>> >>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>> >>> Tx set >>> >>> Dial 501.000 >>> mode usb >>> >>> FLDIGI software >> >> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>> >>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>> >>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>> >>> Power 40 watts per stream >>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>> >>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>> >>> Reports welcome >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>> 05/09/09 >>> 06:54:00 >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >> 05/09/09 >> 06:54:00 >> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc09.mx.aol.com (rly-mc09.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.93]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC022-d914a17279f3e; Fri, 22 May 2009 18:31:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC091-d914a17279f3e; Fri, 22 May 2009 18:30:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7dFi-0001jm-PN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 23:30:10 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7dFi-0001jd-7J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 23:30:10 +0100 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.37]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7dFg-0001oT-I4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 23:30:10 +0100 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a17276428f; Fri, 22 May 2009 18:29:56 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c99.4a0181da (34920); Fri, 22 May 2009 18:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.153]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA035-5c374a17275828f; Fri, 22 May 2009 18:29:50 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-DZ38 (webmail-dz38.sim.aol.com [205.188.185.140]) by smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB025-5c374a17275828f; Fri, 22 May 2009 18:29:44 -0400 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, G1KAW@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 18:29:44 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g0mrf@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42951-STANDARD Received: from 87.80.206.159 by WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com (205.188.185.140) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 22 May 2009 18:29:44 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBA943F0C92715-A70-10C3@WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: CQ DX 500k Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBA943F0EF4CF5_A70_231F_WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_20_30,HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CBA943F0EF4CF5_A70_231F_WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all. ? Can anyone on the East Coast USA comment of the state of 501 -504kHz for transatlantic reception? ? I have confirmed availability of a large field in East Sussex for this Sunday night?for some portable operation. ? If I have to select a frequency, then I may as well choose a clear one possibly in the mid - upper portion of the band say 503.1 ? One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well established 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. - So may have to go to 10MHz for that, or we do have 400W + 16 ele on 2m at 600 ft ASL which should be?fine for ON / F / PA western DL. Locator will be JO00EW near Dallington East Sussex. Power 0 - 250 Watts, antenna dependent. - Aim +10dBW peak ERP Main purpose of this trip is?the antenna experiment, but it would be nice to make some CW / QRSS3 QSOs too. Site location can be seen here. http://www.vhfdx.net/callbook/gmap.php?Lan=E&Call=G1KAW/P&Loc=JO00EW phone / text? 07958502540.? e-mail g0mrf@aol.com. Internet available on site. 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Hi all.

Can anyone on the East Coast USA comment of the state of 501 -504kHz for transatlantic reception?

I have confirmed availability of a large field in East Sussex for this Sunday night for some portable operation.

If I have to select a frequency, then I may as well choose a clear one possibly in the mid - upper portion of the band say 503.1

One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well established 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. - So may have to go to 10MHz for that, or we do have 400W + 16 ele on 2m at 600 ft ASL which should be fine for ON / F / PA western DL.

Locator will be JO00EW near Dallington East Sussex.
Power 0 - 250 Watts, antenna dependent. - Aim +10dBW peak ERP

Main purpose of this trip is the antenna experiment, but it would be nice to make some CW / QRSS3 QSOs too.

Site location can be seen here.
http://www.vhfdx.net/callbook/gmap.php?Lan=E&Call=G1KAW/P&Loc=JO00EW

phone / text 07958502540. e-mail g0mrf@aol.com. Internet available on site.

Thanks

David

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----------MB_8CBA943F0EF4CF5_A70_231F_WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-a594a182b43275; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:58:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA031-a594a182b43275; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:58:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7uY3-0004VI-QD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:58:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7uY3-0004V9-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:58:15 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr14.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.132]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7uY0-00068G-OM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:58:14 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2bthomr14.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DFU60375; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:58:07 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A182B22.1050305@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:58:10 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905230949w19e40e09x2a6f0ac77c72287a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bf118410905230949w19e40e09x2a6f0ac77c72287a@mail.gmail.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr14.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0208.4A182B20.0003,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dave Pick wrote: > Richard > > Just think topband with the dimensions scaled accordingly, you were > therefore using a 50ft inverted L with a less than 2m high vertical > section getting lower.... and 12W. I think a kite is the only way with > QRP! > I saw something on the grabber though, round about 2pm local? > Dave All noted. I realise that it's a small aerial. I was more concerned about the matching system and earth. If I can't deliver the current to the aerial it will never work! Re grabber, may have been me but there were several people floating about. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF062-5974a0afeeab1; Wed, 13 May 2009 13:10:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF126-5974a0afeeab1; Wed, 13 May 2009 13:10:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4HxH-0004xT-2n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:09:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4HxG-0004xK-Mt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:09:18 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f180.google.com ([209.85.219.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4HxD-0004lr-PV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:09:18 +0100 Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so1080049ewy.4 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:09:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2FRMVvOH6wWA8XHnbH+IsSqJw0Zyl01cASCGzJRZ1Q4=; b=VIcWucjy+K2s6LHQ/FishA+HcT7wy4ttsglWxom1nX3HIGOU/53M1jaCo/Z68qtMMC KMPLzhHl+5LjErtS1SjbyPLRyqDr2FyTuaMDcS8KvxtX16NySR1TUbUjheVrypp8SF64 IAqXD+vweNGIkALp3mD1dgaOFtoTPWGrGHYU0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ltn8cekvF3ZeyChRERNCS40mVLYoq8K3J/B4fV3lHTG70F8DbOC76inmpaBFOayHAN bbMYAAmSIvvLZvl5HJVf16coHQWuMj2sHTDrmSO8ioQY9ozWUAfSTtZjdTW+1aETZakJ 3LxaM3DW/fCxgjgCKx8cElS1nben3Vqbz5H+c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.26.80 with SMTP id b58mr536239wea.35.1242234549884; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:09:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:09:09 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410905131009k77c653ffmd93393f3e4429b30@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f423dc12d9740469ce45f3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m223.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f423dc12d9740469ce45f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit About 559 by ear here at 1700utc. We'll see how it progresses after dark against the static! Dave. 2009/5/13 Richard Newstead > Dear all > > I have a beacon running on 502.7kHz on standard CW. I would welcome reports > as the evening progresses. I will be using it to try to engage some SOTA > people in listening on the band so that I can do some experiments at a later > date. If it causes anyone a problem please send me a private email. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --001485f423dc12d9740469ce45f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable About 559 by ear here at 1700utc. We'll see how it progresses after dark= against the static!

Dave.

2009/5/1= 3 Richard Newstead <g3cwi@btconnect.com>

Dear all

I have a beacon running on 502.7kHz on standard CW. I would welcome reports=20= as the evening progresses. I will be using it to try to engage some SOTA peo= ple in listening on the band so that I can do some experiments at a later da= te. If it causes anyone a problem please send me a private email.

73

Richard
G3CWI

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--001485f423dc12d9740469ce45f3-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG061-59c4a16ca1a2c7; Fri, 22 May 2009 11:51:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG011-59c4a16ca1a2c7; Fri, 22 May 2009 11:51:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7X10-0000yx-2E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:50:34 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7X0z-0000yo-Gc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:50:33 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7X0x-0007ie-GB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:50:33 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFAIdmFkpZ8+2O/2dsb2JhbACCJC6CAoRggmIGx0iECwU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.243.237.142]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 16:50:21 +0100 Message-ID: <003601c9daf5$0351b960$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:50:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: LF/MF REPORTS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9DAFD.6120CB50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9DAFD.6120CB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am getting lots of reports from around EU mostly by EMAIL but I prefer xba= nd realtime contacts if possible. The Russian stns frequently call me xband= on 7033 Khz. I would like xband calls during the daytime fm EU. I always LI= STEN on 7033 Khz which is a good band both daytime and night time for EU and= beyond. I always listen on my TX freq as well for simplex QSO'S. Tnx all the reports de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9DAFD.6120CB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am getting lots of reports from around EU= mostly=20 by EMAIL but I prefer xband realtime contacts if possible. The Russian stns=20 frequently call me xband on 7033 Khz. I would like xband calls during=20= the=20 daytime fm EU. I always LISTEN on 7033 Khz which is a good band both daytime= and=20 night time for EU and beyond. I always listen on my TX freq as well for= =20 simplex QSO'S.

Tnx all the reports

de mal/g3kev

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9DAFD.6120CB50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD063-b764a09a19a1c7; Tue, 12 May 2009 12:19:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD048-b764a09a19a1c7; Tue, 12 May 2009 12:19:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3ugx-00047e-1T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:18:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3ugw-00047V-KG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:18:54 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3ugt-0001u2-O0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:18:53 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7FB781C00082 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:18:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.12.252]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id F11421C00081 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:18:33 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090512161833987.F11421C00081@mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <700020F556AB40A68EFAC71AAC736810@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com>, <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A094F88.31094.2E46CD4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4A094F88.31094.2E46CD4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:18:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Yes your right on that Mike, If you model a T and then change it to arrow shape , once the free ends are more than about 6 feet off the ground the radiation and feed values are all over the place ..you would not of realised in the field, what was going on ! G . -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Dennison" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable > >> You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. >> The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied >> to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far >> away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it >> simple. mal/g3kev > > This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards will reduce the effective > height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the > effective height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far > preferable to an inverted-L in a single mast situation because a > large amount of capacitance to ground can be achieved without much > reduction of effective height. > > Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my > advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are > very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Keep well away from > wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is > power lost. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 > 07:02:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME022-9e34a22efc9372; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:00:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME107-9e34a22efc9372; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:59:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAs77-0003ma-Qp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:58:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAs77-0003mR-CF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:58:41 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAs74-0002jA-Fo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:58:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 24855 invoked by uid 0); 31 May 2009 20:58:32 -0000 Received: from 85.178.111.253 by www184.gmx.net with HTTP; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:58:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:58:31 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: <513649.77849.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090531205831.293140@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <513649.77849.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+tLg4uAtutJvaeQZKz9yJrYGEWaIOd4bqPL9KV5a fUsoI+QC3OkqIX6wMSVWFFVaeHeDGnWwdd9Q== X-GMX-UID: GJpLec88eWUkIKyDV29nXSgjL0tsZg36 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: LF: rx 600m tonight for YOU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi! I just reconfigured my RX to 0.5MHz, and appreciate receiving signals tonight on 600m :) Just let me know You are there, and where. vy73 Dennis Berlin JO62RM PS: Loop pointing NW/SE, so Scotland might induce higher voltages than England. -- Nur bis 31.05.: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate und Telefonanschluss nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-5964a071bd8115; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:24:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF125-5964a071bd8115; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:24:26 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Dgm-0000F2-KV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:23:52 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Dgm-0000Es-4n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:23:52 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3Dgk-0000u2-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:23:52 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 62B987000088 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:23:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 2C2017000086 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:23:32 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510182332180.2C2017000086@mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <1D277B3EB8FF43B6BDCFF44EADBE1A4C@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <4A067B34.9060701@btconnect.com> <921E5615F20E456088F65870062F6634@AGB> <4A0718B2.5020203@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0718B2.5020203@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:23:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 OK Richard Quite possible , tx will produce 200 + watts carrier , but for most I run round 100 watts , as its class AB , Its running 2 modes a the moment , mfsk and throb , after last nights qso with Rik, not sure which is the better mode for 500 , the throb seemed to print better at my qth , psk31 was dropping 50% when Rik changed over tnx- G . -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:10 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test > > Graham wrote: >> Richard, >> >> What time was that and what mode ? >> >> > > I heard you first on CW then I heard you go to data modes. Your signal > seemed to change level - do you test on different power levels? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA032-a5449fc633153; Sat, 02 May 2009 11:14:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA024-a5449fc633153; Sat, 02 May 2009 11:13:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0GtS-0006wp-9I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 16:12:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0GtR-0006wg-Sw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 16:12:45 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f213.google.com ([209.85.217.213]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0GtP-0003y1-Ik for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 16:12:45 +0100 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so6407444gxk.4 for ; Sat, 02 May 2009 08:12:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=h62/eg7V6oUFzuS7hF+5JypPFxHwbspGXZ64UhFA3kc=; b=L1BLtXairR+j4L77ZTwEl3eUcbhTnn+HNtum3y7kqkVBhucLgiRSHKiXKmKjVPGXJL 1MDwH373o4+9RxoiZI04dWdDdanj7r90JkH/mHZX3iTkKskeRkPt87sudN+RYravUHoU rjGNoLVLUsqtw0kGkjInIBi9dfuxHVtkkOIgc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FMvpsgqbjcBHQeekny7EysM57lijI7mgOl4JOsJ4rBFgTbyM4PGI/TbJ5rRBsrik3+ FUPCjsv5AT5VwE0jd4z55vz2bKcUsqxDYASSenG0C1LCZEd4JxGTSOX4bT/kPF7X9aVO gqOEFLjFHyiNgTkHb/xMMGmVWLFGqINbZvPdc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.104.15 with SMTP id b15mr3347858agc.101.1241277156096; Sat, 02 May 2009 08:12:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <57a24ca70905020326j5f95c90bqaafb265762b760c5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:12:36 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905020812g8e8d546m8896719183f3687f@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Japan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m247.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Laurence, > I make it 2.1! Yes, my comment was tongue-in-cheek, --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrote: > I make it 2.1! > >> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 06:26:09 -0400 >> From: wd2xgj@gmail.com >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: Japan >> >> Laurence, >> >> Cool! Never heard anything about any Japanese activity or >> interest in LF/MF - be interested to see if anyone gets on. >> Glad to hear that they got 3.1kHz rather than the mere 2.1 kHz the >> rest of the world has. >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> WD2XGJ >> WD2XSH/23 >> WE2XEB/2 >> WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China >> wrote: >> > From 7L1RLL "A new 3.1KHz band width from 135.7KHz to 137.8KHz is >> > assigned >> > for amateur radio in Japan since March 30 2009." >> > Either CW or narrow band width data transmition less than 100Hz shall b= e >> > used in the new band" >> > ________________________________ >> > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. See how. >> > > ________________________________ > Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. C= heck > it out. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG103-a2b49feb777b4; Mon, 04 May 2009 05:38:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG085-a2b49feb777b4; Mon, 04 May 2009 05:38:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0ubW-0005sQ-Nr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 10:36:54 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0ubW-0005sH-4y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 10:36:54 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.63]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0ubU-00069K-Ct for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 10:36:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 6605 invoked from network); 4 May 2009 09:36:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=oyi1C1udVjmoXj2XGBWxP3RkRrUUEfSShiT1WEKgZiuwcVms4xeawwuv6/Ft59RONJkhh+HmX3wnX8dhmhbALHFWxh5diIzHPVZ1nhirEh29oHDjQt2f/Q+Zx/apUN9OJp17Dxv/iMiPcjX1bAoB72G4pDLZ5kjgzZoohHKCR6E= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@81.131.41.142 with login) by smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2009 09:36:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8ch39EcVM1n.cQp4UIysXUO6w01T_S.90oge5VztDMUnXbSi5xuDxT1I62alDo5fMlX1SBOqaY8eV17U.u5ofH8TYzxV63acPUd8h8X3KlwfYEFDFsooVGakvetPPhXs_epTaDUJYJkUHSkJjZY0c9DKzawRPcaxdIAaU784QvJMkIt4hLuucFUZQbrJZXrkbbsjiO_H4Hj2LmrG5Cd6K6YkJb0Etc0bhgoFUfezs9b4gVbBO39V.osPUfRIaOT2_sP3HJGNjOXI.ephOz0VCvE1jWkvJwkcZRjs9tAPgDGNiNpp9UfRFDdv1zEdOoVryXqGUWsL46JYyJb9OL2K03GvxPI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001c01c9cc9b$d73769e0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <008001c9cc2c$084162e0$0900a8c0@AM> <341055.8010.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:31:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Chris Mmmmm it seems that you might have a problem with the tuning caps, I wonder what sort you used. You have to be a bit careful with cap types in critical circuits. The other though is to try to make the L/C ratio on the ferrite areal the same as that at 136kHz. If you have too little inductance and more capacitance that will make the tuning sharp and also maybe be more critical on cap temp coefficient. Just I ideas, It sounds like you are making progress, even if it by deciding what is not a problem. Dick, PA0SE, may be around he does monitor the group else drop him an email he may have some ideas. Best wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Osborn" To: Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 8:23 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Many thanks for the prompt suggestions Alan. I've spent ages trying to sort the problem and have now run out of ideas. I completely rebuilt the unit, even using a new ferrite rod. The front end tuning was very sharp and I subsequently added another RF tuning control (varicap + pot) to peak it up as it drifted. Also I've placed a 220 k resistor across the tuned circuit to lower the Q and flatten the response. I did the usual trick of blowing with a drinking straw on various components and the front end capacitors seemed to be the culprits hence the added RF amp tuning control. I'll try a BF981 as you suggest and also disconnect the front end and inject a signal. I'll hunt around for a BF960 as shown in the original circuit. Thanks again es 73 Chris XIZ ________________________________ From: Alan Melia To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, 3 May, 2009 21:00:26 Subject: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Hi Chris the following things occur to me to try 1 the 2N3819 is a juction fet not a mosfet (as with Dick original design) so is probably more likely to show changes in input (gate-source) current with temperature. The input current of a mostfet will be negligable. I cant remember what the original device was but if a 40673 for instance try a BF981 which are readily available. 2 At a lower level of probability the permiability of ferrite changes with temperature. I would not that to be anything like so great as problem though. I hope that helps to solve the problem. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Osborn" To: "LF Group" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed LF, I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook), modified for use on the 500 kHz band. I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering available components, the differences being: a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published varicaps. b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the published LW coil. I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet the field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and can vary up to 30 %. I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've spent hours trying to correct it. 73 Chris G3XIZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB032-aa64a0745e73d4; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:24:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB014-aa64a0745e73d4; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:23:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3GUV-00027N-4S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:23:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3GUU-00027E-Jv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:23:22 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3GUT-0001il-Oh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:23:22 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D4E7B8047 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:23:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3051F3862 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:23:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9D6C75B9A; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:23:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 37.176-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (37.176-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.176.37]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:23:11 +0200 Message-ID: <20090510232311.c7w0ojp43pk4880w@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:23:11 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus><5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC><008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus><61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB><4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB><1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> <20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <2149FAD3D3B349DA8DD2D9B692522EEE@AGB> In-Reply-To: <2149FAD3D3B349DA8DD2D9B692522EEE@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.176.37 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, despite that there is no copy in MFSK4 this signal sound much stronger =20 than the Throbx2 and psk31 signals. Idem on the G3YXM grabber: MFSK4 look brighter than the other 2. Looks as if the power is not the same. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Graham : > Ok Rik, > > Well see what prints with this beacon, Im running Fldigi x 3 times > on the same pc , Gary is running the same for rx and reports all is > ok with the system ... > > tnx- G .. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:40 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > late= r > >> >> Hello Graham, >> >> thanks for the QSO's last night. >> Under current conditions (lot of QRN and QSB) ThrobX2 seemes a bit =20 >> better than >> PSK31. MFSK4 wouldn't print last night. >> The night before it was the same until all the sudden I had a perfect pri= nt. >> Maybe tuning / synchronisation is rather critical for MFSK4. >> The bandwidth of MFSK4 seems about 150Hz, so i will not use it for transm= it. >> PSK31 and ThrobX2 are well below 100Hz. >> >> I will try to decode the signals starting 21:00 UTC. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Graham : >> >>> Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream >>> same text , 60 sec repeat .. >>> >>> >>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz =3D 503.20k cent rf >>> >>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz =3D 503,00k cent rf >>> >>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz =3D 502.70 k cent rf >>> >>> >>> Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' >>> lock up time ? >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Graham" >>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later >>> >>>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >>>> >>>> G .. >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Graham" >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >>>> >>>>> >>>>> All >>>>> >>>>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>>>> >>>>> Tx set >>>>> >>>>> Dial 501.000 >>>>> mode usb >>>>> >>>>> FLDIGI software >>>> >>>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>>>> >>>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>>>> >>>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>>>> >>>>> Power 40 watts per stream >>>>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>>>> >>>>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>>>> >>>>> Reports welcome >>>>> >>>>> Graham >>>>> >>>>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release =20 >>>>> Date: 05/09/09 >>>>> 06:54:00 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>>> 05/09/09 06:54:00 >>>> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: =20 >> 05/10/09 07:02:00 >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME023-9de4a07443b3c1; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks for that Gary, That sort of confirms last night ,I had not thought to use the throb mode, except I was looking for a sub 100 Hz mode other than psk31 I will leave the system running till round 2300 gmt / 2400 bst G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary - G4WGT" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 9:55 PM To: Subject: LF: RE: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Graham, LF, > > In an attempt to reduce the signal further I have connected to my > Sandpiper > HF vertical. > > Now receiving with 50db attenuation & the signals are barely audible > through > the speaker & barely visible on the Fldigi waterfall. > > There is no copy from the MFSK4 signal with just a little from ThrobX2 & > PSK31. > > I am receiving more complete words from ThrobX2 than PSK31 making ThrobX2 > the marginal winner of the test, at least in my case. > > A very interesting & useful test. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham > Sent: 10 May 2009 21:38 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > All > > Getting reports of a qrss cw signal on 502.7 , if this is causing > problems , I can qsy > hf if needed > > hope the test is useful > > Tnx- > > Graham > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Graham" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:51 PM > To: > Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > >> >> Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream >> same text , 60 sec repeat .. >> >> >> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz = 503.20k cent rf >> >> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz = 503,00k cent rf >> >> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz = 502.70 k cent rf >> >> >> Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' >> lock >> up time ? >> >> Graham >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Graham" >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM >> To: >> Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later >> >>> >>> All, >>> >>> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >>> >>> G .. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Graham" >>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >>> >>>> >>>> All >>>> >>>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>>> >>>> Tx set >>>> >>>> Dial 501.000 >>>> mode usb >>>> >>>> FLDIGI software >>> >>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>>> >>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>>> >>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>>> >>>> Power 40 watts per stream >>>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>>> >>>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>>> >>>> Reports welcome >>>> >>>> Graham >>>> >>>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>>> 05/09/09 >>>> 06:54:00 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>> 05/09/09 >>> 06:54:00 >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >> 05/09/09 > >> 06:54:00 >> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 > 07:02:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD012-9034a0eba373a1; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d249.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the report and the "grabber" ! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 3:26 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hello LF , > > Last night good copy of =A0XGJ ( one string =A003:25 =3D> 04:05 ) > > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (rly-dg08.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.92]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG073-5e24a11bdc6385; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:58:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG081-5e24a11bdc6385; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:58:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M68xi-0001WG-PU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:57:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M68xi-0001W7-C9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:57:26 +0100 Received: from mcgi27.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.86]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M68xf-0005YQ-Qs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:57:26 +0100 Received: from mcgi27.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi27.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D6A11445 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 23:57:18 +0400 (MSD) Received: from [81.195.27.131] by mcgi27.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Mon, 18 May 2009 23:57:13 +0400 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:57:13 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <894006656.1242610941.162086848.22169@mcgi48.rambler.ru> In-Reply-To: <894006656.1242610941.162086848.22169@mcgi48.rambler.ru> Message-Id: <274550764.1242676633.165670728.33163@mcgi27.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi LF! RX3AKT answering me today then he is close to factoring a syntezer=20 because that process unprofitable. He is finished last 15 syntezers and finish. Crisis. It is profitable sale an potato more then factoring a=20 syntezers. excuse for unchecked info. * Roman RW3ADB [Mon, 18 May 2009 05:42:21 +0400]: > Hello LF! > > RN3AGC use a RX3AKT DDS-syntezer. > http://rx3akt.narod.ru/dds_akt.html > http://rx3akt.narod.ru/dds_vid.html > This is russian origin. RX3AKT did't make english version, there is no > reason to do it b4 today. > Sergey RX3AKT spoken english well, email him: sa_rx3akt@mtu-net.ru > Band pass: 0 Hz-150Mhz > DDS: AD9952-YSV > Controller: ATMEGA8515-16AI > Indicator: =CC=D2-16S2H v.3 > Voltage: +13,8 V +/- 35% > Current: 150 mA > Peak amplitude sinus output: 250mV > Peak amplitude square pulse: 1.8V > Minimal freq pitch: 10Hz (RN3AGC div 13.777 MHz by 100 for 0.01 Hz=20 step) > RX RIT: +/- 9,99 KHz > 15 Programmable VFO's > The IF band pass: +/- 999 999 999 Hz (IF is program via user menu) > IF minimal pitch: 1 Hz > 5 methods to control. > COM port 1200 bod, TTL. > > Sale a finished construction. > > * Graham [Tue, 12 May 2009 22:25:17 +0100]: > > > > Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a > kit > > , > > better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working > > even better ! > > > > Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to > > enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device > > > > Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master > > oscillator for tx > > > > Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) > > > > Tnx- Graham . > > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-9704a13fa8d224; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:42:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF076-9704a13fa8d224; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:41:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6l6J-0001B4-Mx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:40:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6l6J-0001Av-Bh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:40:51 +0100 Received: from relay2-v.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6l6E-0000lG-To for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:40:50 +0100 Received: from HATSHEPSOUT (ALagny-151-1-7-57.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.121.245.57]) by relay2-v.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D8D135DA for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 14:40:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:40:37 +0200 From: Michel F5WK X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <254053664.20090520144037@mterrier.net> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001501c9d93c$7a2bb640$6401a8c0@asus> References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> <001501c9d93c$7a2bb640$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------BED26622EFA6C6" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------------BED26622EFA6C6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, You can get more than 80 dB image rejection on a particular frequency with SpectrumLab. The LO on the capture is precisely 511.500 kHz on a modified softrock. Please note that you have to exercise great care when adjusting the I/Q balance and that the antenna input impedance *does* matter. > I thought I could do the filtering within the SpecLab software but all my > attempts have had no effect at all, I am not really aware how to manipulat= e > the filter controls to do this, if anyone can help with that it could be t= he > answer. 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21:52:07 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s16.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.216]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LzziG-0007gi-PU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 21:52:06 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W29 ([64.4.56.129]) by bay0-omc3-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 1 May 2009 13:51:55 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:51:54 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> References: <555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2009 20:51:55.0180 (UTC) FILETIME=[A95C1EC0:01C9CA9E] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a3a4e90e-ee6d-4eaa-b95d-60ed9b798d6a_" Subject: RE: LF: RU beacons May 1-2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_a3a4e90e-ee6d-4eaa-b95d-60ed9b798d6a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Ed, LF! I have seen your big signal on 137.778. You started at 19:30 and your signal is very strong, S/N is more than 18dB. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ******************************** > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:32:07 +0400 > From: ed@dx.ru > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: RU beacons May 1-2 > > Dear LF enthusiasts! > > I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z, > on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3. > > QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May) > abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical) > QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop) > > Reports welcome > > 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru > > _________________________________________________________________ What's New v�m to �ekne hned, jak se to stane. Uka� mi jak. http://home.live.com/ --_a3a4e90e-ee6d-4eaa-b95d-60ed9b798d6a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Ed, LF!
I have seen your big signal on 137.778. You started at 19:30 and your signal is very strong, S/N is more than 18dB.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:32:07 +0400
> From: ed@dx.ru
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: RU beacons May 1-2
>
> Dear LF enthusiasts!
>
> I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z,
> on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3.
>
> QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May)
> abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical)
> QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop)
>
> Reports welcome
>
> 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru
>
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Klikni zde! --_a3a4e90e-ee6d-4eaa-b95d-60ed9b798d6a_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC023-b404a1abb6b35c; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:38:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC094-b404a1abb6b35c; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:38:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8cFE-0004nA-0Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8cFD-0004n1-EN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:43 +0100 Received: from imo-m12.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.100] helo=imo-m12.mail.aol.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8cFA-0007Pm-H1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:42 +0100 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imo-m12.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a1abb3a328; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:37:30 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.d56.290b427d (42807) for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:37:24 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:37:24 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 630 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1243265844" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------1243265844 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. Firstly, thank you to Jim and Chris for the QSOs yesterday and for the many useful reports and comments on the relector. Some detail. THE OBJECTIVE: To test the very good theory that horizontal antennas don't work at LF. The idea being that by operating on very poor ground you are actually many 10s of metres above 'radio ground' and therefore the antenna is much higher electrically than you may first imagine. This technique is used by the US military in underground nuclear command centres to avoid EMP. The location in East Sussex is at the top of a hill 170m above sea level. The ground goes down rapidly in two directions which I hoped would also aid the propagation of the 500k signals. We started off with a reference antenna - A 9m vertical with a 5m top section and intended to use reports and the grabber at G3YXM to evaluate the radiated signal by comparison to the 100mW ERP 137.7 beacon. This was a big mistake as the poor ground made it very inefficient, with 100 W from the transmitter generating an unimpressive 125mA of antenna current. However, it did allow a couple of QSOs. We then added a large amount of wire to the top section to make the antenna self resonant. To my surprise, and I'm not sure if this has been done before, it worked. Total wire used 128 metres. Series tuning inductance....zero. Compared to the wavelength of 596m this represents 85% of a quarterwave, which was rather more than I had anticipated. I expected the 'shortening effect' to be much greater. Perhaps this was a good indication that as I suspected the 'ground' under the antenna was either a considerable distance from the surface or, operating from a hilltop had an advantage. Antenna current was now 1A. Still not very good but this was due to us using the quaterwave against a few radials and a single ground rod. I notice that Rik reports a signal increase between the two different antenna types, but this could be explained by higher current in the vertical rather than any radiation from the horizontal section. Just when things were looking good, it all went, to use a local term, 'pear shaped' It began to get dark. The static level wiped out the grabber so we could not see our own signal and our final plan to turn the whole thing into a single horizontal dipole mounted along the ridge of a hilltop had to be abandoned as one of the 2 fields suddenly acquired a large flock of sheep. So, unfortunately a nice day in the countryside but only a little knowledge gained and the transmitter never turned up beyond 100W. Next time...I'll take a VNA and start with a dipole! At least the local manager at Homebase wont have to worry where all his 2 m bamboo canes are going anymore. My garage is full of them! Finally, to answer Dave's question about the callsign. I have probably misread my NOV but I was under the impression that just like the old 73k licence, /P was not allowed. Hence a letter to OFCOM a week in advance changed my 'station address' to East Sussex for the weekend. - So although I was working from a field....they knew where to find me. As for 10 W ERP. - We probably made about 2% of that. Sorry Mal. Oh well. To be continued..? David G0MRF In a message dated 25/05/2009 08:34:52 GMT Standard Time, dave@davesergeant.com writes: On 24 May 2009 at 18:24, James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > Just worked G0MRF at 1705utc. Signal was 549 - apparently they are still > working on the antenna, so might improve yet... Got a good report from > them, so obviously receiving OK. Good luck for the rest of the > operation, David and Garo. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > I listened on and off to David's signal yesterday evening between other jobs. Some observations.... G0MRF (/P but not sending /P, which I thought was a bit confusing) was 569 here in Bracknell, later peaking 579 but the static was intolerable from around 9pm making copy very hard. I did give David a couple of calls after he finished his QSO with Chris G3XIZ but obviously he didn't hear, hardly surprising with my setup and in any case I found the tuning had gone off and I had a bad SWR, a problem with sharply tuned short verticals. -------------------------------1243265844 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all.

Firstly, thank you to Jim and Chris for the QSOs yesterday and for= the=20 many useful reports and comments on the relector.

Some detail.

THE OBJECTIVE: To test the very good theory that horizontal= =20 antennas don't work at LF. The idea being that by operating on very poor gro= und=20 you are actually many 10s of metres above 'radio ground' and therefore the=20 antenna is much higher electrically than you may first imagine. This techniq= ue=20 is used by the US military in underground nuclear command centres to av= oid=20 EMP.

The location in East Sussex is at the top of a hill 170m above sea leve= l.=20 The ground goes down rapidly in two directions which I hoped would also aid=20= the=20 propagation of the 500k signals.

We started off with a reference antenna - A 9m vertical with a 5m top=20 section and intended to use reports and the grabber at G3YXM to evaluate the= =20 radiated signal by comparison to the 100mW ERP 137.7 beacon. This was a big=20 mistake as the poor ground made it very inefficient, with 100 W from the=20 transmitter generating an unimpressive 125mA of antenna current. However, it= did=20 allow a couple of QSOs.

We then added a large amount of wire to the top section to make th= e=20 antenna self resonant. To my surprise, and I'm not sure if this has been don= e=20 before, it worked. Total wire used 128 metres. Series tuning=20 inductance....zero.   Compared to the wavelength of 596m this=20 represents 85% of a quarterwave, which was rather more than I had anticipate= d. I=20 expected the 'shortening effect' to be much greater. Perhaps this was a good= =20 indication that as I suspected the 'ground' under the antenna was either a=20 considerable distance from the surface or, operating from a hilltop had an=20 advantage. Antenna current was now 1A. Still not very good but this was due=20= to=20 us using the quaterwave against a few radials and a single ground rod. = I=20 notice that Rik reports a signal increase between the two different antenna=20 types, but this could be explained by higher current in the vertical rather=20= than=20 any radiation from the horizontal section.

Just when things were looking good, it all went, to use a local term, '= pear=20 shaped'

It began to get dark. The static level wiped out the grabber so w= e=20 could not see our own signal and our final plan to turn the whole thing into= a=20 single horizontal dipole mounted along the ridge of a hilltop had to be=20 abandoned as one of the 2 fields suddenly acquired a large flock of=20 sheep.

So, unfortunately a nice day in the countryside but only a=20 little knowledge gained and the transmitter never turned up beyond=20 100W.

Next time...I'll take a VNA and start with a dipole! At least the= =20 local manager at Homebase wont have to worry where all his 2 m bamboo canes=20= are=20 going anymore. My garage is full of them!

Finally, to answer Dave's question about the callsign. I have=20 probably misread my NOV but I was under the impression that just like the ol= d=20 73k licence, /P was not allowed. Hence a letter to OFCOM a week i= n=20 advance changed my 'station address' to East Sussex for the weekend. - So=20 although I was working from a field....they knew where to find me.

As for 10 W ERP. - We probably made about 2% of that. Sorry= =20 Mal. Oh well.

To be continued..?

David G0MRF

In a message dated 25/05/2009 08:34:52 GMT Standard Time,=20 dave@davesergeant.com writes:

On 24=20 May 2009 at 18:24, James Moritz wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
>=20
> Just worked G0MRF at 1705utc. Signal was 549 - apparently they ar= e=20 still
> working on the antenna, so might improve yet... Got a good=20 report from
> them, so obviously receiving OK. Good luck for the res= t of=20 the
> operation, David and Garo.
>
> Cheers, Jim=20 Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>

I listened on and off= to=20 David's signal yesterday evening between other
jobs.

Some=20 observations....

G0MRF (/P but not sending /P, which I thought was=20= a=20 bit confusing) was
569 here in Bracknell, later peaking 579 but the st= atic=20 was intolerable
from around 9pm making copy very hard.

I did gi= ve=20 David a couple of calls after he finished his QSO with Chris
G3XIZ but= =20 obviously he didn't hear, hardly surprising with my setup and
in any c= ase=20 I found the tuning had gone off and I had a bad SWR, a
problem with=20 sharply tuned short verticals.

-------------------------------1243265844-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de03.mx.aol.com (rly-de03.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.139]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-4c14a12abd31e; Tue, 19 May 2009 08:53:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE032-4c14a12abd31e; Tue, 19 May 2009 08:53:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6OoD-0004mL-FK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:52:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6OoC-0004mC-Oc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:52:40 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6Oo8-0001yO-Ar for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:52:40 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqMGANtIEkpZ8FKy/2dsb2JhbACCIy+CAYc8BoFDwSOEAgU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.82.178]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 13:52:30 +0100 Message-ID: <007401c9d880$abd2c420$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> <20090517222630.ae0y0n55sb7ookoo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8CBA607C4722FC0-157C-146@webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:52:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01C9D889.0D520CD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_20_30, HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C9D889.0D520CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave Where have these BRAVE men gone? along with their exploding BK amplifiers, a= nd smoky Decca Jeeps. I seem to remember when MM0ALM appeared with his home built tube amplifier a= nd antenna array of 4 x 100 ft antenna masts and getting 579 reports on CW f= rom the USA and Canada, those south of Watford capitulated. Others in the Mi= dlands and North perservered and are still going strong.=20 G3KEV =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g0mrf@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: JA ops And yet, the first transatlantic cross band and 136kHz - 136k QSOs both in= volved stations south of Watford.=20 Dream on Crazy diamond. David Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on= 136 and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling i= n that area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.=20 Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as=20= Scotland and still do. -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops This is a meaningless argument about 25 watts and range on LF. One needs t= o know about the actual antenna in use and the resulting ERP.=20 Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 1= 36 and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in=20= that area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.=20 Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Sc= otland and still do.=20 There were also some big signals from EU at the time, unfortunately now al= l gone QRT, all active on CW. =20 =20 G3KEV=20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" =20 To: =20 Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM=20 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops=20 =20 Hi Warren,=20 =20 depends on what you call a neighbour.=20 In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to 400km under=20 similar conditions.=20 =20 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=20 =20 Quoting Warren Ziegler :=20 =20 > Tnx Laurence,=20 >=20 > If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will=20 > have to get some of his neighbors on.=20 >=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS=20 >=20 > On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China >=20= wrote:=20 >>=20 >> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites=20= - >> fyi=20 >> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: ja3vqw Hiroshi=20 >> Hi Laurence=20 >>=20 >> Thanks for your e-mail.=20 >> Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) la= st=20 >> month.=20 >> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO >>= wit h=20 >> any station.=20 >> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz.=20 >> So if you find my signal please QSL me.=20 >> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W.=20 >> The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long.=20 >> 73=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=E2=80=99t worry about stora= ge limits. >> Check=20 >> it out.=20 >> _________________________________________________________________=20 >> Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=C2=AE.=20 >> http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM= _Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS=20 > WD2XGJ=20 > WD2XSH/23=20 > WE2XEB/2=20 > WE2XGR/1=20 >=20 >=20 =20 =20 =20 --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------=20 =20 =20 No virus found in this incoming message.=20 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: 05/18/09= 06:28:00=20 =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Click here to get the very best of AOL, including news, sport, gossip, lif= estyles updates and email.=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Dave

Where have these BRAVE men gone? along with= their=20 exploding BK amplifiers, and smoky Decca Jeeps.

I seem to remember when MM0ALM appeared wit= h his=20 home built tube amplifier and antenna array of 4 x 100 ft antenna masts= and=20 getting 579 reports on CW from the USA and Canada, those south of Watfo= rd=20 capitulated. Others in the Midlands and North perservered and are=20 still going strong.

G3KEV

----- Original Message -----

g0mrf@aol.com <= /DIV>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:41 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: Re: LF: JA ops

And yet, the first transatlantic cross band and 136kHz - 136k QS= Os=20 both involved stations south of Watford.

Dream on Crazy=20 diamond.

David

Early= UK=20 experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136 and=20 could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in tha= t=20 area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.
Some how=20= the=20 big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scotland and=20 still do.

-----Original Message-----
From: ma= l=20 hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27
Subject: R= e:=20 LF: JA ops

This=20 is a meaningless argument about 25 watts and range on LF. One needs to kno= w=20 about the actual antenna in use and the resulting ERP.
Early UK=20 experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136 and co= uld=20 not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in that area.=20= This=20 info appeared in the LF comic at the time.
Some how the big signa= ls=20 eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scotland and still=20 do.
There were also some big signals from EU at the time,=20 unfortunately now all gone QRT, all active on CW. =20

G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- From:=20= "Rik=20 Strobbe" <Rik.Strobb= e@fys.kuleuven.be>
To:=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent:=20 Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JA=20 ops

Hi Warren,

depends on what you c= all=20 a neighbour.
In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to=20 400km under
similar conditions.

73, Rik ON7YD=20= -=20 OR7T

Quoting Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com>:

>=20 Tnx Laurence,
>
> If he's running 25W into a 25m=20 (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will
> have to get some of his= =20 neighbors on.
>
> 73 Warren=20 K2ORS
>
> On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China <= ;hellozerohellozero@ho= tmail.com>=20 > wrote:
>>
>> Ive asked Hiroshi for more= =20 details and passed reflector and info sites - >> fyi
>&g= t;=20 73 Laurence KL1X in windy=20 BY3A
>>
>>
>> From: ja3vqw=20 Hiroshi
>> Hi Laurence
>>
>>=20 Thanks for your e-mail.
>> Yes, I got license form the=20 department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last
>>=20 month.
>> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but= I=20 have not got QSO >> wit h
>> any=20 station.
>> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob=20 136KHz.
>> So if you find my signal please QSL=20 me.
>> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W.
>&g= t;=20 The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long.
>>=20 73
>>
>>
>>
>>=
>>
>>=20 Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=E2=80=99t worry about storage=20= limits. >>=20 Check
>> it out.
>>=20 _________________________________________________________________ >>=20 Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=C2=AE.
>&g= t; http://windowsl= ive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_= 052009
>
>
>=20 --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
>=20 WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB/2
>=20 WE2XGR/1
>
>

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------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C9D889.0D520CD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-a814a044a40314; Fri, 08 May 2009 11:06:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA081-a814a044a40314; Fri, 08 May 2009 11:05:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2RdA-00054E-Pp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:04:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2RdA-000545-Ca for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:04:56 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Rd7-0004Xt-8B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:04:55 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoYHAL/mA0pZ8qTH/2dsb2JhbACCJi2BfYc+BsRqgi2BUAU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.164.199]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 08 May 2009 16:03:45 +0100 Message-ID: <005301c9cfee$2f3aab70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <88d2415e0905080655s4000e8fdyc08621bbb8686b45@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 16:02:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Activity Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C9CFF6.64B640E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C9CFF6.64B640E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G3KEV, G3XIZ and G3DXZ are active nearly every day, also GI4DPE,GW3UEP and G= W4HXO appear now and again plus others. I have heard you on the odd time but your signal is vy weak. de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:55 PM Subject: LF: Activity Dear All, I am concerned at the lack of activity on 500kHz. I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice=20 hear a signal now and again.! Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to 18:30 call on 502.50, QSY up/down. If you don't like this, any other ideas? 73 Laurie G3AQC=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2104 - Release Date: 05/08/09= 06:34:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C9CFF6.64B640E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
G3KEV, G3XIZ and G3DXZ are active nearly ev= ery day,=20 also GI4DPE,GW3UEP and GW4HXO appear now and again plus others.

I have heard you on the odd time but your s= ignal is=20 vy weak.

de G3KEV

----- Original Message -----

lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb

Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:55 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: LF: Activity

Dear All,
I am concerned at the lack of activity on=20 500kHz.
I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice
hear a=20 signal now and again.!
Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to=20 18:30
call on 502.50, QSY up/down. If you don't like this,=20 any
other ideas?
73 Laurie G3AQC

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.0.320 / Viru= s=20 Database: 270.12.21/2104 - Release Date: 05/08/09=20 06:34:00
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C9CFF6.64B640E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de04.mx.aol.com (rly-de04.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.140]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE081-4d04a19944f3d9; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:39:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE047-4d04a19944f3d9; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:39:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Iab-0000dk-JQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:38:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Iab-0000db-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:38:29 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8IaZ-00082T-9Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:38:29 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 May 2009 18:38:16 -0000 Received: from 1Cust178.tnt11.fft4.deu.da.uu.net (HELO kc61d0682c4d14) [149.225.132.178] by mail.gmx.net (mp032) with SMTP; 24 May 2009 20:38:16 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17603633 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Tgzop13yTI9J7pbbB1PmYxx4YLrNTdQNEPJQV69 Bx1G3/WvmuARcC Message-ID: <001301c9dc9e$cc6ed990$b284e195@kc61d0682c4d14> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Thomas_K=C3=B6lpin?= To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:37:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.55 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: SP2KDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Marcin, just called you several times in DFCW but sorry nearly no sign of your signals. Bd QRN on my side, about 40 dBuV peak. No chance with any RX program. So hope to cuagn at better condx! Vy 73 es good luck Tom, DK1IS ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:24 PM Subject: LF: SP2KDS Dr LF Group! We have now QRV 137,708kHz QRSS 3. 73! Marcin SQ2BXI SP2KDS Club From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (rly-dd07.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.154]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD094-b8d4a01b7351bf; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:13:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD077-b8d4a01b7351bf; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:13:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jk2-0006Wi-5B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:13:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jk1-0006WZ-PJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:13:05 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1jjz-0004Yk-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:13:05 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwEAAFUAUpOlrtw/2dsb2JhbACEUMx0hAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.187.112]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 06 May 2009 17:12:58 +0100 Message-ID: <00a201c9ce65$850fe540$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:12:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard Try a 12metre fiberglass telescopic pole to support an inv L using wire size 1mm as long as possible. Use a matching network at the bottom of the vertical part, coil in series to earth. Tap down coil for resonance, tap coax up a few turns from earth end for best match, lowest swr, braid of coax to earth. Use a couple of insulated radials lying on ground and connected to coax earth. This method never fails to work. There are other methods but the above is vy efficient, light and portable. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:53 PM Subject: LF: 500kHz Portable > Dear all > > I am hoping to be granted an NoV for portable operating on 500kHz. I > have parts on order for the GW3UEP Economy transmitter which will be run > on 12 Volts. Suggestions for portable aerials that can be set-up by one > person on remote and windy hilltops will be most welcome. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.19/2099 - Release Date: 05/05/09 13:07:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (rly-mb10.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.168]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-d324a11c118314; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:12:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB106-d324a11c118314; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:12:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M69BZ-0001jJ-Po for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:11:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M69BZ-0001j9-Ck for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:11:45 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f171.google.com ([209.85.218.171]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M69BX-0005fR-6n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:11:45 +0100 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so4462346bwz.4 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:11:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ET/H8qoeidCqkql2lBni9Xw74l7QzBKyXt3ZIhqgtf4=; b=KVGug9hD6q2a2Q3MFKYZi81uf/TvtEyUtWzE/XMHKXsswVokdF4i3KPyWGOZaNfhTV TKCoTIh6PZfyN13PCr6RqT8USyr569S7LEFyFJwQL+oKT5g4vL59h1Xc0eiSxQFX0XnN y8nCYm8kVcBllNz7kM4KYCrdBguaFAuH+w9l0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mguqRowVnbPQoH+w3oXFo3Fcn+rV8xmbQgASFUxrfPQVU8eBguTJKDZdMKYo2PIpfv wrjK1IziP+c/OhgKVzRBIvHVATRKpq+CPBgg1Deo3UKQ87cjYZw2UEltirw9q4xJ0YoT 0SDFbKEBV40lew9Z1cg9xojdaiflNNVNsG/+M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.146 with SMTP id i18mr7183161bkg.33.1242677497293; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:11:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> References: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:11:37 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Beacon - 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5abdfcbedcd046a35663c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m203.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636c5abdfcbedcd046a35663c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's my I/Q design for souncards and narrow band phase shifter as published in April's Radcom (Data Column) and at www.g4jnt.com/LFUpconv.pdf Andy G4JNT wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom 2009/5/18 Richard Newstead g3cwi@btconnect.com > > Any recommended transverter designs for LF? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > - > > --001636c5abdfcbedcd046a35663c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's my I/Q design for souncards and narrow band phase shifter as=A0p= ublished in April's Radcom (Data Column) and at <= span lang=3D"EN-GB">www.g4jnt.= com/LFUpconv.pdf=20
=A0

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Andy =A0G4JNT
wo= bbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom

2009/5/18 Richard Newstead g3cwi@btconnect.com

Any recommended transverter de= signs for LF?

73

Richard
G3CWI
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--001636c5abdfcbedcd046a35663c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG034-a3c4a0dbf363c1; Fri, 15 May 2009 15:15:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG106-a3c4a0dbf363c1; Fri, 15 May 2009 15:15:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M52rQ-0000Ef-3X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:14:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M52rP-0000EV-Ho for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:14:23 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M52rL-00011W-PA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:14:22 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhAFAN5bDUpOlr7O/2dsb2JhbACCJS2BfYdCBsQshAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.190.206]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 20:14:14 +0100 Message-ID: <008701c9d591$55d55bb0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <007a01c9d58f$45a60e80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:14:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: BC-221-T Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0084_01C9D599.B47181A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C9D599.B47181A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ps Some were made by BENDIX PHILADELPHIA=20 I also have the original handbook ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 7:59 PM Subject: LF: BC-221-T I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would make a nice OSC/driver for MF. It=20= is mint condx but has not been used for years. Some will be familiar with th= is unit, vintage WWII made in the USA (ZENITH RADIO CORPORATION CHICAGO) May= be someone knows the man that made it !! mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.30/2115 - Release Date: 05/14/09= 17:54:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C9D599.B47181A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ps

Some were made by BENDIX PHILADELPHIA

I also have the original handbook

----- Original Message -----

mal= =20 hamilton

To: rsgb

Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 7:59 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: LF: BC-221-T

I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would m= ake a=20 nice OSC/driver for MF. It is mint condx but has not been used for years.=20= Some=20 will be familiar with this unit, vintage WWII made in the USA (ZENITH RADI= O=20 CORPORATION CHICAGO) Maybe someone knows the man that made it !!

mal/g3kev

No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C9D599.B47181A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG072-5db4a12af2d95; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:08:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG074-5db4a12af2d95; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:08:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6P2K-0004u1-Ls for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:07:16 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6P2K-0004ts-5f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:07:16 +0100 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6P2I-0002TA-Rk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:07:16 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-31-132.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.31.132] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1M6P2F-00081Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:07:11 +0100 Message-ID: <4A12B248.5000304@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:21:12 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> <20090517222630.ae0y0n55sb7ookoo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8CBA607C4722FC0-157C-146@webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com> <007401c9d880$abd2c420$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <007401c9d880$abd2c420$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > Dave > Where have these BRAVE men gone? along with their exploding BK > amplifiers, and smoky Decca Jeeps. > I seem to remember when MM0ALM appeared with his home built tube > amplifier and antenna array of 4 x 100 ft antenna masts and getting > 579 reports on CW from the USA and Canada, those south of Watford > capitulated. Others in the Midlands and North perservered and are > still going strong. > G3KEV One gets the impression that the elevator doesn't go to the top floor Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC054-b2549fd5c2d2fe; Sun, 03 May 2009 04:56:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC061-b2549fd5c2d2fe; Sun, 03 May 2009 04:56:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0XT7-0001aH-Fb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 09:54:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0XT7-0001a8-0c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 09:54:41 +0100 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0XT4-000554-2W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 09:54:40 +0100 Received: from r300-1 ([194.25.41.40]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n438t3le017256 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:55:03 +0200 From: "Uwe Jannsen" To: Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 10:53:29 Message-ID: <00DC07D9050308351D14E@kabelmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,INVALID_DATE=1.76 Subject: Re: LF: RU beacons May 1-2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Ed, RST 569 at 2200UTC last night. regards Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv=20 -------- Kabel E-Mail Reply --------------- From: ed@dx.ru To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 29.04.2009 21:49:02 Dear LF enthusiasts! I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z, on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3. QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May) abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical) QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop) Reports welcome 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF031-5344a06e6eb352; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:38:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF027-5344a06e6eb352; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:38:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3AA6-0007j9-5D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:37:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3AA5-0007j0-Lt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:37:53 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3AA2-0000Si-QB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:37:53 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah0FAPKCBkpOlrUT/2dsb2JhbACEUMdXg34F Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.181.19]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 10 May 2009 15:36:45 +0100 Message-ID: <007601c9d17c$be3b5880$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A06C298.8040006@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:36:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Cross-band contacts Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard I work xband frequently. I often work Russian xband 500/7033 Khz and 500/137 Khz. on CW. I likewise work the USA/Canada xb on 7033 at night time, 7 Mhz is a good choice and usually the propagation is reliable worldwide during night time on this band. Other freqs that I use are 3533 Khz for local and EU QSO'S. I have worked about 30 EU countries to date. Over the years I have used most bands for XB qso's inc 144 Mhz. 73 and fire away de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:03 PM Subject: LF: Cross-band contacts > Dear MFers > > A few of the SOTA crowd have started taking an interest in 500kHz since > I mentioned it on their reflector. Some have been listening and hearing > people. Are there any restrictions on making cross-band contacts (say > 80m-500kHz)? That seems like a good way to get a few people interested. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI (currently untangling wire for use as radials) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 11:43:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df01.mx.aol.com (rly-df01.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.14]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-5264a033df518; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:00:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF013-5264a033df518; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:00:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M29lG-0002lP-O0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:00:06 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M29lG-0002lG-52 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:00:06 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr14.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.132]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M29lA-0007CA-R9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:00:06 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2bthomr14.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DCL25492; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:58:40 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 20:58:41 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr14.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0206.4A033D70.016A,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all My 600m NoV has been confirmed and is in the post. I have the parts for the transmitter and an ATU. I have kites and plenty of wire. Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df07.mx.aol.com (rly-df07.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.20]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-5644a178954154; Sat, 23 May 2009 01:28:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF075-5644a178954154; Sat, 23 May 2009 01:27:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7jku-0002CH-LY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:26:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7jku-0002C8-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:26:48 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.177]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7jkr-0002sj-QL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:26:47 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host86-177-27-16.range86-177.btcentralplus.com [86.177.27.16]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKuxg-1M7jkk1YHc-0000vQ; Sat, 23 May 2009 07:26:38 +0200 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 06:26:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A17971E.15551.BA8BD@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <8CBA943F0C92715-A70-10C3@WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBA943F0C92715-A70-10C3@WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19SubRkrAhp2NPGeV2ozkGbUKW+oKjzHpWbe3Z nE4U3g9Koq8z361/ctZlgPVwQpDBTtoDubV4eWhM+FWtS08Ltb xayPFVp8PJQhG8bESQZ1fh6YDJJKYyf X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: CQ DX 500k Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 22 May 2009 at 18:29, g0mrf@aol.com wrote: > One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well > established 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. CQWPX is next weekend, May 30-31st. There are no other contests listed for this weekend (apart from the UN contest which finishes at midday Sunday). 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD042-91a4a1c4d6127; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:13:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD082-91a4a1c4d6127; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:13:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M930P-0006kF-QF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:12:13 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M930P-0006k6-7A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:12:13 +0100 Received: from smtp816.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.16]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M930N-0005cQ-4p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:12:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 7655 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 20:12:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Lr410E7MNzitS17J8gFc8AiQfcboMT6WHnAP9/qUqyGI77ALvI2XdyNUYMVxXtt2c/+SMa/y6Ai7asf3UvD+Q9lC+lrQE3iA6cBAEnMDhAvM9zNVLpWThxAoWBVsmXYEg/a3NPggSQEun4F4fwaz/3vpf3EShmsM6yNUj5dpCQY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp816.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2009 20:12:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .rTn3pAVM1lW5rXUSdiZj04HmFWs2yNG2HnEgyHNfnOGrfVjDvncmqCcquKvlsFC2a5frNMQBL.qLzh1Bn9.QS1n.MKiC_MKSxAj59furGXvFyIRIAOFl5xHkSNNLsw5SGFUA_Rznv5V35r2V789GHjoSSdXdfIzaiD9QcsgCp3nFHccNi5VU1WAav8K0jxhqonuWCqNkxBox1urcoI6xfv0 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:12:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear David, LF Group, Thanks for the QSO on Sunday, and the details of the experiment. > We started off with a reference antenna - A 9m vertical with a 5m top > section ... the poor ground made it very inefficient, with 100 W from the > transmitter generating an unimpressive 125mA of antenna current. Assuming the transmitter was matched to the antenna and delivering the full 100W, the resistive component of the antenna impedance to get 125mA works out to a remarkable 6400 ohms, which seems a little suspicious, and would require a very poor ground indeed! The lambda/4 top load giving antenna current of 1A at the same power amounts to a resistance of 100 ohms - a remarkable reduction, if the ground system was the same. ... I expected the 'shortening > effect' to be much greater. Perhaps this was a good indication that as I > suspected the 'ground' under the antenna was either a considerable > distance > from the surface or, operating from a hilltop had an advantage Or it could be that the effective ground was so close to the actual ground level that most of the antenna's fields were in the air, and only a minor shortening effect was present - the antenna might then be modelled as an open-circuit quarter wave transmission line stub, with the wire as one conductor and the ground as the other, rather lossy, conductor. ...our final plan to turn the whole thing into a > single horizontal dipole mounted along the ridge of a hilltop had to be > abandoned as one of the 2 fields suddenly acquired a large flock of > sheep. > ...Reminds me of the Puckeridge Decca site, with the flock of sheep charging around in the dark and rain, for their own reasons! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC063-b0849fb76b957; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:25:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC024-b0849fb76b957; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:25:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M018t-0004e4-4q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:23:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M018s-0004dv-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:23:38 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.214]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M018q-00086B-NT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:23:38 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W26 ([64.4.56.126]) by bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 1 May 2009 15:23:25 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 00:23:25 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> References: <555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2009 22:23:25.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[721050A0:01C9CAAB] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_88aa7947-92fa-484b-9e60-b0b057c673b5_" Subject: LF: Big signal RU6LA X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_88aa7947-92fa-484b-9e60-b0b057c673b5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Ed, LF! Your signal is 35dB over the noise. It is unbelievable signal here. I just see FB signal "WPF" 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:32:07 +0400 > From: ed@dx.ru > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: RU beacons May 1-2 > > Dear LF enthusiasts! > > I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z, > on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3. > > QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May) > abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical) > QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop) > > Reports welcome > > 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru > > _________________________________________________________________ What's New v�m to �ekne hned, jak se to stane. Uka� mi jak. http://home.live.com/ --_88aa7947-92fa-484b-9e60-b0b057c673b5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Ed, LF!
Your signal is 35dB over the noise. It is unbelievable signal here.
I just see FB signal "WPF"

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:32:07 +0400
> From: ed@dx.ru
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: RU beacons May 1-2
>
> Dear LF enthusiasts!
>
> I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z,
> on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3.
>
> QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May)
> abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical)
> QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop)
>
> Reports welcome
>
> 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru
>
>

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Klikni zde! --_88aa7947-92fa-484b-9e60-b0b057c673b5_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG041-9f84a01af091fb; Wed, 06 May 2009 11:39:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG022-9f84a01af091fb; Wed, 06 May 2009 11:38:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jCU-00061G-GH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:38:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jCU-000617-59 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:38:26 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr03.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.121]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1jCS-0004uP-O8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:38:26 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2bthomr03.btconnect.com with ESMTP id BOR43536; Wed, 6 May 2009 16:37:03 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:37:04 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr03.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0203.4A01AEA0.0082,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Test 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Test 2 - please ignore From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD091-b634a01da622f4; Wed, 06 May 2009 14:43:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD025-b634a01da622f4; Wed, 06 May 2009 14:43:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1m5B-00075T-Gn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:43:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1m5B-00075K-7C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:43:05 +0100 Received: from [80.68.4.13] (helo=dx.ru) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1m57-0005Yy-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:43:04 +0100 Received: from 238.41.117.87.donpac.ru ([87.117.41.238] helo=192.168.1.3) by dx.ru with esmtpa auth=ed@dx.ru id 1M1m50-000I14-Rx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:42:55 +0400 Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:41:49 +0400 From: Ed RU6LA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.7) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1443477624.20090506224149@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: RU6LA's acty 8 May Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF enthusiasts! I'll work 8 May on 137 kHz band 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de07.mx.aol.com (rly-de07.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.143]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE043-4e94a0896322fc; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:18:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE072-4e94a0896322fc; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:18:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3css-0006LA-TL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:18:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3css-0006L1-Il for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:18:02 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3cso-0000kK-TB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:18:01 +0100 thread-index: AcnSffEqQWBsN6jfSDucAcJXaUQ5ug== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:17:50 +0100 Message-ID: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9D28E.B3278370" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9D28E.B3278370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9D28E.B3278370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kH= z=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW i= d=20 include....

Reports are wellcome.

73 de Gus=20 SM6BHZ
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9D28E.B3278370-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB014-ac04a0b065c58; Wed, 13 May 2009 13:42:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB046-ac04a0b065c58; Wed, 13 May 2009 13:41:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4ISA-0005QH-Ig for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:41:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4ISA-0005Q8-6O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:41:14 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr03.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.121]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4IS7-0006no-Ne for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:41:14 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host81-155-60-146.range81-155.btcentralplus.com [81.155.60.146]) by c2bthomr03.btconnect.com with ESMTP id BPN01377; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:41:06 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0B0633.4040302@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:41:07 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> <006401c9d3f0$729cf2f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <006401c9d3f0$729cf2f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr03.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0201.4A0B0632.0130,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > Richard > Your Beacon is in the middle of the CW qso area. If possible move to > the low band edge. > mal/g3kev > > Hi Mal Comment noted. It was where the data tests were the other night so I thought it might be OK (it is narrower than they were). Where would folk recommend for tests of this sort? 73 Richard G3CWI -- SOTA Beams Quality products for Radio Amateurs http://www.sotabeams.co.uk Tel: 01625-425700 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de11.mx.aol.com (rly-de11.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.147]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE064-5144a22474d2bd; Sun, 31 May 2009 05:01:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE115-5144a22474d2bd; Sun, 31 May 2009 05:01:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAgu2-0007qZ-Oa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:00:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAgu2-0007qQ-EL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:00:26 +0100 Received: from xsmtp02.mail2web.com ([168.144.250.215]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAgu0-0008Fn-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:00:25 +0100 Received: from [168.144.108.36] (helo=M2W030.mail2web.com) by xsmtp02.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAgtq-0006d8-8V; Sun, 31 May 2009 05:00:19 -0400 Message-ID: <380-2200950319014245@M2W030.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 217.67.146.136 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "john.rabson@wanadoo.fr" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 05:00:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: F1AFJ 20dB over QRN on 137.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) At 0850z. Argo set to 3sec dots. F5VLF Burgundy -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com =96 Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft= =AE Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF082-5534a12f0a817f; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:47:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF058-5534a12f0a817f; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:47:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6TOj-00060j-IJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:46:41 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6TOj-00060a-5z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:46:41 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6TOh-0004Eq-52 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:46:41 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlsFAHONEkpOkJHW/2dsb2JhbACCUoIBhF2CXwbEDIQCBQ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.145.214]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 18:46:31 +0100 Message-ID: <00a501c9d8a9$becf5060$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:46:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LF/MF NOW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C9D8B2.2049DE20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C9D8B2.2049DE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am now QRV on 137.7 and 502.6 calling CQ 1744 utc also QSX 7033 Khz, espec= ially look for EU contacts. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C9D8B2.2049DE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am now QRV on 137.7 and 502.6 calling CQ=20= 1744 utc=20 also QSX 7033 Khz, especially look for EU contacts.

de mal/g3kev

------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C9D8B2.2049DE20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-b494a0207e47b; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:58:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC105-b494a0207e47b; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:57:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1p74-0000Gr-QJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:57:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1p74-0000Gi-7e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:57:14 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1p71-000790-Q1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:57:14 +0100 thread-index: AcnOlYrsUmILW8C4ROmyQH6l8nxhBQ== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:56:42 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A020399.70309@toya.net.pl> In-Reply-To: <4A020399.70309@toya.net.pl> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 23:56:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: wspr r1.12 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Peter and group, I just run the new release, dial 503 kHz tx 504,5 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piotr Młynarski" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:39 PM Subject: LF: wspr r1.12 > Hello LF Group, > a new release of wspr software ( v1.12) is available to download from > wsjt home pages > now you can type in the LF/MF frequencies without problems which were > present in the 1.11 version > > 73 de peter, > sq7mpj > qth: lodz /jo91rs/ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD081-b804a1e1a9a263; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:01:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD062-b804a1e1a9a263; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:01:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9Xic-0001SY-LU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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boundary="_08b34131-6bdb-4ab8-baaf-773396df5aa2_" Subject: LF: Re: reports DI2AM OK0EMW SK6RUD X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_08b34131-6bdb-4ab8-baaf-773396df5aa2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Marcin, Dennis and LF! Thanks for interesting informations about OK0EMW�s signal. I know, there is a lot of QRN on the LF/MW bands. My beacom will be on the air every night, except time of local storms. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ******************** > From: bxi@go2.pl > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:18:43 +0200 > Subject: LF: Re: reports DI2AM OK0EMW SK6RUD > > Hello! > Now 500kHz SWL on North Poland: > SM6BHZ 57/579, audio: http://www.sp2kds.pl/attachments/205_sm6bhz.mp3 > SK6RUD on CW 345, strong local QRM > DI2AM only QRSS "O" > OK0EMW only QRSS "O" > Locator: JO94GJ; RX: IC746; antenna: HF long windom 83m > -- > Vy 73! > Marcin SQ2BXI > QTH: Gdansk-JO94GJ _________________________________________________________________ What's New v�m to �ekne hned, jak se to stane. Uka� mi jak. http://home.live.com/ --_08b34131-6bdb-4ab8-baaf-773396df5aa2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Marcin, Dennis and LF!
Thanks for interesting informations about OK0EMW�s signal. I know, there is a lot of QRN on the LF/MW bands. My beacom will be on the air every night, except time of local storms.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

********************

> From: bxi@go2.pl
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:18:43 +0200
> Subject: LF: Re: reports DI2AM OK0EMW SK6RUD
>
> Hello!
> Now 500kHz SWL on North Poland:
> SM6BHZ 57/579, audio: http://www.sp2kds.pl/attachments/205_sm6bhz.mp3
> SK6RUD on CW 345, strong local QRM
> DI2AM only QRSS "O"
> OK0EMW only QRSS "O"
> Locator: JO94GJ; RX: IC746; antenna: HF long windom 83m
> --
> Vy 73!
> Marcin SQ2BXI
> QTH: Gdansk-JO94GJ

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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > G3KEV, G3XIZ and G3DXZ are active nearly every day, also GI4DPE,GW3UEP > and GW4HXO appear now and again plus others. > I have heard you on the odd time but your signal is vy weak. > Mal I can hear you calling CQ on 500kHz right now. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-4d54a06108a54; Sat, 09 May 2009 19:24:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE052-4d54a06108a54; Sat, 09 May 2009 19:23:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2vt3-0003tR-FX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:23:21 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2vt3-0003tI-4m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:23:21 +0100 Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com ([64.136.55.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2vt0-0008BR-Oi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:23:21 +0100 X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABFANEBWAT7ZFFJ for (sender ); Sat, 9 May 2009 16:22:28 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewNBQFsbdNq/HgT4C6uAgLcmEUo018QSV8w== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m03.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PF6HZFLN; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:22:11 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 18:50:44 -0400 Message-ID: <20090509.192117.1456.2.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3904990799 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|riese-k3djc@juno.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: look around you Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 G O D just found it,,,,, I know its off topic but thank you BBC Bob K3DJC ____________________________________________________________ Stuck in a dead end job?? Click to start living your dreams by earning an online degree. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTKL6gsByNThfGhJezRzu2474yR8GhgF9HlUOT6pFTDmGzDzCJ42y8/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA101-a544a05497d235; Sat, 09 May 2009 05:14:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA024-a544a05497d235; Sat, 09 May 2009 05:14:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2idK-0001QY-7X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 10:14:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2idJ-0001QP-QZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 10:14:13 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s8.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2idH-0004oy-KV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 10:14:13 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W28 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s8.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 9 May 2009 02:13:44 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [60.27.206.109] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 01:13:44 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> <4A053B34.6050807@btconnect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2009 09:13:44.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[73D87350:01C9D086] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f1ec2e91-e9b8-4c4f-8f92-084e12e4c702_" Subject: RE: LF: 500kHz Portable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_f1ec2e91-e9b8-4c4f-8f92-084e12e4c702_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Richard - long time... Good luck on 500 - its still in use out here in Ch= ina by a few coast stations, traffic and obs etc. If I were 8000Kms closer a= nd all that! =20 Flo =20 =20 Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:24:35 +0100 From: andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable You've had several replies! =20 Surely you should be looking at more than 100km for daylight range, Richard.= See if you can hear my beacon on 503.7kHz, transmitting every 15 minutes= at 04/19/34 and 49 minutes past the hour, using the same format as the RAL/= ORK/WES 5MHz beacons, but PSK31 for the 30 - 48 second period. =20 That has an ERP in the region of 23dBm and is rather less potent than most s= tations on the band. And BTW, I don't do QSOs - as you may have gathered= from postings re 10GHz :-( =20 Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com =20 2009/5/9 Richard Newstead Richard Newstead wrote: Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in Macclesfield? I= s this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I also play)? Surely= there will be someone within daylight range of me? 73 Richard G3CWI _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto= rial_QuickAdd1_052009=3D --_f1ec2e91-e9b8-4c4f-8f92-084e12e4c702_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Richard - long time... Good luck on 500 - its still in use out here in Ch= ina by a few coast stations, traffic and obs etc. If I were 8000Kms closer a= nd all that!

Flo

Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:24:35 +0100
From: andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com
T= o: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable

You've had several replies!

Surely you should be looking at more than 100km for daylight range, Ric= hard. See if you can hear my beacon on 503.7kHz, transmitt= ing every 15 minutes at 04/19/34 and 49 minutes past the hour, using the sam= e format as the RAL/ORK/WES 5MHz beacons, but PSK31 for the 30 - 48 second p= eriod.

That has an ERP in the region of 23dBm and is rather less potent than m= ost stations on the band.  And BTW, I don't do QSOs&nb= sp; - as you may have gathered from postings re 10GHz :-(

Andy G4JNT
w= ww.g4jnt.com

2009/5/9 Richard Newstead <g3cwi@btconnect.com>

Richard Newstead wrote:

Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of m= e in Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts?
Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I als= o play)? Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me?

73=

Richard
G3CWI

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See how. =3D --_f1ec2e91-e9b8-4c4f-8f92-084e12e4c702_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (rly-mb11.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB063-d3c4a17dcdd2a; Sat, 23 May 2009 07:24:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB118-d3c4a17dcdd2a; Sat, 23 May 2009 07:24:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7pKH-0003EH-J3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:23:41 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7pKH-0003E8-6Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:23:41 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr02.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.180]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7pKF-0004lG-N6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:23:41 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2beaomr02.btconnect.com with ESMTP id BTX26473; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:23:34 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A17DCB8.4070302@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:23:36 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003601c9daf5$0351b960$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A17C742.2000603@btconnect.com> <4A17DA30.2020602@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A17DA30.2020602@btconnect.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr02.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0207.4A17DCB6.0212,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF REPORTS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Richard Newstead wrote: > GW3UEP beaconing on 501.38. Very weak here. 1110z. > > Dear all Actually it took me quite a while to decipher Rogers callsign and in doing so it occurred to me that 500kHz in the day is a good band for testing DSP noise reduction as it is noisy but the groundwave is very constant. I did just that with the FT1000 here and found that none of the four noise reduction options helped. What did help was the 60Hz DSP filter. I estimate that it gave between 1 and 2dB improvement over my ears which was just enough to lift the callsign from unreadable to just readable (with difficulty). I have never been able to do that sort of test as easily on the other bands. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD054-91e4a167ffe313; Fri, 22 May 2009 06:35:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD086-91e4a167ffe313; Fri, 22 May 2009 06:35:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7S4V-0000Tz-AC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 11:33:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7S4U-0000Tq-PW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 11:33:50 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7S4S-0005Gc-BL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 11:33:50 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgwFAMMbFkpOkoh1/2dsb2JhbACCUoICh0IGxgiECwU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.146.136.117]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 11:33:40 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c9dac8$c620ea10$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:33:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: xband Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C9DAD1.275FCE60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C9DAD1.275FCE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now CQ 502.6 Khz qsx 7033 khz 1022utc G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C9DAD1.275FCE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now CQ 502.6 Khz qsx 7033 khz 1022utc

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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C9DAD1.275FCE60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF084-95e4a0d9226148; Fri, 15 May 2009 12:02:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF054-95e4a0d9226148; Fri, 15 May 2009 12:02:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4zr3-0007au-5P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:01:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4zr2-0007al-Q4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:01:48 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr01.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.119]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4zqy-00088i-I8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:01:48 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host81-155-60-146.range81-155.btcentralplus.com [81.155.60.146]) by c2bthomr01.btconnect.com with ESMTP id LGK51808; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:01:38 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:01:39 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr01.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0202.4A0D91E3.00D1,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Aerial current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) After my success in getting more current into the aerial yesterday I decided to measure the RF current in the link (link coupled ATU) with a proper RF ammeter. I was somewhat surprised that the current pinned my 1 Amp RF meter. How can that be? I can think of some possible reasons: 1) The meter is wrong (it must be nearly 70 years old) 2) The impedance is not 50 Ohms which is odd because I assume the TX is designed to have a 50 Ohm output and I carefully adjusted the link for maximum power transfer last night). 3) The transmitter is giving out far more power than expected (seems unlikely). Any ideas? Incidentally, am I best to measure current in the link or in the aerail wire? 73 Richard PS - beacon on again 501.6kHz. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA093-a584a1566611e5; Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA028-a584a1566611e5; Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M79KP-0007PK-Ih for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:33:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M79KP-0007PB-6J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:33:01 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.145]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M79KM-0000P2-Qt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:33:01 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so678868qwj.16 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:32:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2gCJFfTJXEEe/bfwTwUixxj8SIJxvRxscahhOUecSQo=; b=iQPVtPAERkiyB76OXq4faWTGh19LZGzO7+lTUWgd2qJ7lAAbVlxhgocvEi+8Od75I/ o7HnYfbpCFMuOB0+YUb0pTykeWZubvclxo5Kvb/9q4oRpHTLvry/yen/GMub9xBmTvEi igxFPP9EpYyYKtHudzKDLr8lQdmOB2VXbC1hU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Kto9ll8Vnipz9w6hJe+If/KLXRP5BJHNGNLeFnVuRo1QuQHyxrLuAGaGM/nIquC46g KBZjC6W9Fn+ySYtYaZeDtmb/j+g5WEc/f1fGBtD8k5qk7s8FGq41iHvUwzYWrDA662xp 838FYt1ssXOvL/ziH//hnSF2j7gL2k52uDjYc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.19.131 with SMTP id a3mr2657648qab.23.1242916377265; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:32:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A153977.6090206@charter.net> References: <4A151431.8020909@gmx.de> <4A153977.6090206@charter.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:32:57 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905210732q3444ff5al9820338faee1097e@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XES and XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d268.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Hartmut, good to have you back listening. On 5/21/09, John Andrews wrote: > Hartmut, > > Thanks for the report. Good to have you watching! > > John, W1TAG > > Hartmut Wolff wrote: >> A capture can be seen here: >> >> http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA031-8ba4a02c27d3e4; Thu, 07 May 2009 07:14:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA074-8ba4a02c27d3e4; Thu, 07 May 2009 07:14:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M21Wt-0001Mx-HG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:12:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M21Wt-0001Mo-26 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:12:43 +0100 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M21Wq-0003se-Ox for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:12:42 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-19-222.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.19.222] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1M21Wn-000MOR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:12:37 +0100 Message-ID: <4A02C555.3020704@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:26:13 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <008501c9ce63$c07ecf30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905061229w6c853f60w291cca01c39eec09@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70905061229w6c853f60w291cca01c39eec09@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Decca 5501Jeep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Warren I fully agree with you. The Decca 5501's were used in unattended stations and transmitting 24/7 under a very heavy duty cycle. There were several transmitters all in the same rack transmitting at the same time on different frequencies feeding into the same antenna through an ingenious automatic multi-tuning system - a remarkable bit of radio engineering. I blew the FETs in one of the amplifier units because my 5501 had been modified to be dual band 73 and 136kHz and one day when I QSYed I forgot to change all the necessary coil taps. Check out G4FTCs web site for some interesting pictures of the Decca stations. Regards Peter, G3LDO > Mal, > > You couldn't be more wrong!!! > I have been running a Decca in QRSS 60 for several years now at full > power + often overnight and occasionally for days at time with ZERO > transmitter failures. The Decca runs cool at 1.4 - 1.5 kW DC input. > Perhaps you are not allowing for sufficient air circulation through > the heat sinks. My Decca is in a rack with plenty of clearance above > and below for the air to circulate. I don't think that it's a good > idea to run the Decca sitting on a table as I've seen done in some > shack pictures. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF061-58c49ff56f6256; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:58:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF115-58c49ff56f6256; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:58:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M15EY-0007E8-Js for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:57:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M15EY-0007Dz-86 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:57:54 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.191] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M15EV-0003hj-GT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:57:53 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3617.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 22CA1700008A for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:57:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.16.142]) by mwinf3617.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id DAD277000088 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:57:43 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090504205743896.DAD277000088@mwinf3617.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <629879748.20090504224655@web.de> In-Reply-To: <629879748.20090504224655@web.de> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 21:57:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 google for :- fldigi multipsk , mmtty - rtty only - but very good .. lots of settings dm780 .. good but needs a fast pc fldigi is a good multi mode prog ..nice and simple to use , good decode .. actually better than digi-pan for psk31 ..................................... Or one or two listed :- http://www.muenster.de/~welp/sb.htm Hope that's of use G ... -------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Oexner" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:46 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: rtty test > > Hello Rik & list, > > >> dear all, > >> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >> 21UTC Reports and/or reply welcome. > > What would be a suitable program to decode this transmission? Baud > rate 45 Bd? > > > -- > vy 73 + gd DX, > > Michael > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.17/2095 - Release Date: 05/04/09 > 06:00:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-aaf4a01b1412b4; Wed, 06 May 2009 11:48:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB025-aaf4a01b1412b4; Wed, 06 May 2009 11:48:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jLL-00068u-Jz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:47:35 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jLL-00068l-7e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:47:35 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1jLJ-000514-JN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:47:35 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwEAOZMAUpOlrtw/2dsb2JhbACEUM0AhAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.187.112]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 06 May 2009 16:45:21 +0100 Message-ID: <006401c9ce61$a9d30be0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <20090505145733.ZR0ZK.2161725.root@mp14> <000201c9cde4$c3008ac0$0b01a8c0@weazle> <000f01c9ce0e$d6594b50$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:45:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: JA3VQW in the cluster! Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Yes good signal g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:51 AM Subject: LF: JA3VQW in the cluster! > Hello LF, > The first Japanese station? > > 73 > Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.18/2096 - Release Date: 05/04/09 17:51:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE062-4b749fdd10a296; Sun, 03 May 2009 13:15:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE022-4b749fdd10a296; Sun, 03 May 2009 13:14:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0fFi-0003qp-7A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 18:13:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0fFh-0003qg-R6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 18:13:21 +0100 Received: from web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([87.248.110.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0fFh-0006rw-6t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 18:13:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 18802 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2009 17:13:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1241370795; bh=2JKAEZp+5oVNSpcrChLEPk3LtOeqqIzIES8pg/LAiac=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0+HvFN2llPjbMiXvW6UtiC/mSfhgN2M2y/SkuYOtzuxk3/pkXB8YwB+s+kY+c/agu6LzUfSNszZ4NXriuhz8FEVZqJ77jdkrU9WKdBXf/GiqMD+86K2BuRr65e/Fy7OE9BhWjcrgtubVkpwqoNKC2LMaKJhff5KUCwNrTpb8Gyo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eA2rqeO+HfzyhChfAE/Uy+pbHUG9PocIWE9Q6PcbTYJU11a7VeMPUvNJ8oaOc2z7QFO/jp7upTHYpR/eBHgpa/+ybTNWyGwkzcPm7+FTW0b1VyIwWS1g3rOipRgaLYcO4Wiqql1MjPlKq9NiXOmdtzMF9WL+1MBHVJcXtXPAs/A=; Message-ID: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6OW.yP8VM1k7jRx7WFKEVMDzNjEkIUj6ukT77_aRpIzKGC2Wumz7_ZP0A9aGQpmcl7.ibUCKeGz3qbEHp_A9ZDh6x03QIJnXfCwvbOwn3sFAjKzunA1DxqyiAovex8Zka5DHQxHFWEcrKN93Qkw.AmfIXRkNJwgZDg1x3TcL.ngfAnIGiP69ERxj800La0Km.jLpZuSolBRzJ8uumffm.crNjCgbZH9dtqngLskoSqWBsuwLiJlZjzyBC3Nb5IOXx.oKRn4af.2OJQ-- Received: from [80.6.43.68] by web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 May 2009 17:13:14 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 17:13:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Osborn To: LF Group MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-333623728-1241370794=:17766" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d252.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail --0-333623728-1241370794=:17766 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF, I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook), modified for use on the 500 kHz band. I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering availabl= e components, the differences being: a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published varicaps. b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the publish= ed LW coil. I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet=20= the=20 field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and c= an vary up to 30 %. I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've spent= hours trying to correct it. 73 Chris G3XIZ =20 --0-333623728-1241370794=:17766 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF,

I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (L= F Experimenters' Handbook),
modified for use on the 500 kHz band.

= I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering availabl= e components,
the differences being:
a) I have used a small variable c= apacitor instead of the published varicaps.
b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in th= e front end instead of dual gate mosfets.
c) Obviously I now use the MW c= oil of the ferrite rod instead of the published LW coil.

I have made=20= a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet the
fiel= d strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and can v= ary up to
30 %.

I would be most grateful for any advice on curing=20= this problem as I've spent hours trying
to correct it.

73 Chris G3XIZ

--0-333623728-1241370794=:17766-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma08.mx.aol.com (rly-ma08.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.52]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA033-8c14a217dc3f1; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:41:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA083-8c14a217dc3f1; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:41:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MATTR-0003AQ-Gb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:40:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MATTQ-0003AH-RO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:40:04 +0100 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MATTP-0007kh-R9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:40:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 78534 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2009 18:39:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1243708798; bh=OLndFDp0wAeF3FWXbGJNKXQGy9WaDk2zfN2SY7Vgh+k=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ngVv1BhobBrENrN4vu6bPY+A5q30zmfKY2K1B8Km0bhr5VbiJpzcCruBaP17E7DxJRN3jZ/1RMQDqePmXa0kMkCI0AFUDOVngyhJMYZlGgytM+i5UkUlAvDi7Ag+kHcsj1i70ySKXs/oz9rAzSkxhAm2MCUjpzhCaodTfSH895c= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lVfh4SpNjF1T396v42r/IRjS3hP07ppu04JMQlT+3lE3xCmg0eII0onNPxBxFbBEEqBYASIAO1FNE2oMQpodpJmVOBu8ZfHFMgxJbrKWpZvzH/8ZkEVDwfZKpwSDxYAIZSW9DN7nswexXkmqyCnqVwtVBW0Ilh8MIzg/GE2rtI0=; Message-ID: <513649.77849.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DW2lQvwVM1nB0thrBqupIoSO5wmsn.2.AI_g9xQE1uliuwu2qrmb0vP8XzTADwQ0AyBhrCC_EyFrgr9TaNUa9vcYsnm4lQYK8wqiGRUhh.zpdOLS1UCZbJWeHwsCbO4gM90O._ldOGJjrntl8elKYOySQJsOU6cLInsz3sTrwIrLz5kAYuTTyuhlQtLtJdyxaJOgXcuLwTwK3GP1Vc1Njs9aOoTJCOXAjWsp3p9f8oLfZZeX_TOb_jD3hLlfn_votlWOK_QdGbUZ6_wrGAL_rTWecwZ_SJx_G6Sn_Fj9LZoYAX_ozSfdZnDE_ot3HMvXyyiQ Received: from [86.130.65.241] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:39:58 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:39:58 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1363290026-1243708798=:77849" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m227.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1363290026-1243708798=:77849 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=20 =C2=A0 Don't know who's asking but this outfit comes recommended just tell him what= you want and what in not important i.e. pin type etc, and he will sort out=20= the cheapest xtal for you. =C2=A0 There is a guy in the USA who has a load of FT? xtals but owing to postage t= hey come out slightly more expencive than Vincent.... try him. See my exchan= ges with him below...... =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0vy 73 pete M0fmt=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Flag this message Re: FW: 7.23 meg Xtal quote please Sunday, 19 April, 2009 2:50 PM From:=20 "M0FMT" View contact details=20 To:=20 "vincent jakomin" Hi=C2=A0Vincent=20 Order in post see below.... thanks=20 Please supply one (1) off:-=20 7.230 MHz, HC6/U, Std Stab,=C2=A0Pin End Pckge, Par Res, Fund, 30pF load C .= .. =C2=A33-95/unit=20 Cheque to the value =C2=A36-84=C2=A0(=C2=A33-95 + =C2=A32p&p + =C2=A30-89 (V= AT @15%)=C2=A0=3D =C2=A36-84) enclosed.=20 Many thanks for quick reply.=20 I agree the level of service in the UK has fallen badly in recent years ...=20= I wonder why?=20 Paypal doesn=E2=80=99t want to transfer my money so its snail mail I am afra= id.=20 Very 73 Peter March M0FMT --- On Sat, 18/4/09, vincent jakomin wrote: From: vincent jakomin Subject: FW: 7.23 meg Xtal quote please To: m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk Date: Saturday, 18 April, 2009, 10:33 PM #yiv111466151 #yiv120611850 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv111466151 #yiv120611850 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Hi Pete, Correction to my 1st email just sent. Quote =C2=A36-84=C2=A0(=C2=A33-95 + =C2=A32p&p + =C2=A30-89 (VAT @15%)=C2=A0=3D=20= =C2=A36-84) Unquote =C2=A0 W/thks + rgds Vincent Jakomin From: vincent@jakomin.fsnet.co.uk To: vincentvoy@hotmail.co.uk CC: vincentvoy@yahoo.co.uk Subject: FW: 7.23 meg Xtal quote please Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:56:59 +0200 m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Message Received: Apr 18 2009, 11:02 AM From: "M0FMT"=20 To: vincent@jakomin.fsnet.co.uk Cc:=20 Subject: 7.23 meg Xtal quote please Hi Vincent=20 Please can you quote me price and postage and delivery for a 7.23 Megahertz=20= Crystal for Amateur Radio use. Cheapest available in any package. How do I p= ay ; Paypal?=20 Many thanks Pete M0FMT =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D00000000000000=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --- On Sat, 30/5/09, Mark wrote: From: Mark Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Saturday, 30 May, 2009, 2:18 PM Lawrence,=20 You may get lucky with surplus Xtals in that range, I=C2=A0use some pulled f= rom an ancient xtal controlled 2m rig.. but the 2m frequencies corresponding= to your range are low. You may consider using a DDS like the softmark unit, or the ones designed fo= r the Softrock SDR radios . this effectively gives you a VFO! One of these may also be cheaper than a couple of crystals! Mark GM4ISM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information Many thanks Dave. I will try suggested companies. Actually looking for Xtal on 8020 to 8030 so unlikely=20 anyone has one ! \Thanks Laurie. 2009/5/30 Dave G3WCB Laurie, =C2=A0 McKnight and Hy-Q used to advertise in RadCom. They may still be trading. Ad= dresses below. =C2=A0 IQD are also around, but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like us! =C2=A0 What frequency/style are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector probably= has what you need. =C2=A0 McKnight Crystals...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY =20 =20 --0-1363290026-1243708798=:77849 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=20 --0-1363290026-1243708798=:77849-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD083-9174a048a94164; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:40:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD077-9174a048a94164; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:40:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Vuo-0006Bi-76 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:39:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Vun-0006BZ-L1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:39:25 +0100 Received: from smtp141.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.107.124]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Vun-0000qQ-83 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:39:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 49819 invoked from network); 8 May 2009 19:39:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=B36ZoQ9U94CtX8Fa399PKEN041bVRahfPfdDeE8BNe1JK7l2bf4wq2X475BID3e/xkJCvuiCBwHDa+JrUmRkvM3b2ZyxxuaOJ/8f57Azy+nxsT/CUrCLZ/Vl9x3gwLwAaMTwjdp8ufmllobHvdEaJ6VO343DmF+aaT67bHCWlEo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.133.80.138 with login) by smtp141.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2009 19:39:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pLJqZWEVM1mH30FrVDffjL1ZZFqYQOnmYu0ANiGFtqNL_Jdek44PeFGBLle92q_QjTUGobBUD_n7uYTIqTHE3JMtYs5y2RTmU4iouEysWaxnfGVLFxV_ioNWBYl.dCr6ecUMH7GuIYvUbREUErhrihaT5rNLxms2D9PHJZp8qkxv_1PJw1dei2O1Dxy3A8Y9_IKUJMVk2YDcLIh89K5zLs6ESo1LmWCHp7v46LirxXia1cdNlbgkf9i24kV_elWt0Vh.N8l8dOC10c.dRCDcVDpbVAEzRXiuaVuujr2fWXcUKXOE_EqjUONcaotdU7zUTo9C4PuRL4XHG2VHL2tx5fsZ04RM.EtPlOCUjRAJ61cdFw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6EFF06E44CF940E0B67F8D333AC8F87A@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <88d2415e0905080655s4000e8fdyc08621bbb8686b45@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:39:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: Activity Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C9D01D.0CB139A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C9D01D.0CB139A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all. I think Laurie has come up with a very good idea,also possibly a weekend slo= t(s). If I knew there was a good chance of a QSO then I would come on more o= ften, it would need to be no fancy transmission modes just good old fashione= d cw. 73, Ken, M0KHW=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:55 PM Subject: LF: Activity Dear All, I am concerned at the lack of activity on 500kHz. I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice=20 hear a signal now and again.! Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to 18:30 call on 502.50, QSY up/down. If you don't like this, any other ideas? 73 Laurie G3AQC=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C9D01D.0CB139A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all.

I think Laurie has come up with a very good= =20 idea,also possibly a weekend slot(s). If I knew there was a good chance of a= QSO=20 then I would come on more often, it would need to be no fancy transmission m= odes=20 just good old fashioned cw.

73, Ken, M0KHW

----- Original Message -----

lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb

Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:55 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: LF: Activity

Dear All,
I am concerned at the lack of activity on=20 500kHz.
I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice
hear a=20 signal now and again.!
Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to=20 18:30
call on 502.50, QSY up/down. If you don't like this,=20 any
other ideas?
73 Laurie G3AQC
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C9D01D.0CB139A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC054-b1c4a070f83248; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:31:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC048-b1c4a070f83248; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:31:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3CrK-0008Ha-NJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:30:42 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3CrK-0008HR-53 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:30:42 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.190] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3CrI-0000f2-Be for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:30:42 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3601.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BEA787000082 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:30:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.54.100]) by mwinf3601.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 4073C7000081 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:30:32 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510173032264.4073C7000081@mwinf3601.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <921E5615F20E456088F65870062F6634@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <4A067B34.9060701@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A067B34.9060701@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:30:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard, What time was that and what mode ? Tnx- G g0nbd -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:59 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test > > James Moritz wrote: >> Dear Gary, LF Group, >> >> You are S5 here at the moment in a the rising QRN. Also can see G0NBD >> and OR7T attempting a QSO in MSK4 - Rik's signal is just about visible >> on the waterfall, but will have to wait until I have completed >> noise-cancelling improvements before I will stand a chance of copying >> it here. G4JNT's beacon is also a good signal. >> >> Earlier, I had a CW QSO with G3XIZ, and this morning with Dennis, >> M0JXM, who was a new one for me. >> > Jim > > I heard you and G3XIZ well in IO83wg (both 559). G4WGT was strong (599) > G0NBD was also strong (589). The Swedish beacon on 500 was 549. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF061-56b4a01fa371d8; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:59:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF082-56b4a01fa371d8; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:59:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1oCO-0008C4-1o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:58:40 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1oCN-0008Bv-9i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:58:39 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1oCM-0006qp-9l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:58:39 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0897B8043 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D925FF3863 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:58:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C6E745B28; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 69.175-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (69.175-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.240.175.69]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:58:29 +0200 Message-ID: <20090506225829.1vrsvh9ozjwcwog8@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:58:29 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425><20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be><004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.240.175.69 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I noticed. Last night I could see it on all 3 UK grabbers, tonight only faint =20 traces on at YXM 73, Rik Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Rik, > > You signal not as strong tonight so far. > > Gary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 06 May 2009 21:40 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Gary, Gerhard, > > right now (20:35 UTC) I can see traces of my signal on the G3YXM > grabber and strong signals from Gary. > > 73, Rik > > on the > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > >> Hi Rik & Gerhard, >> >> When Rik makes his CQ call I will attempt to make a 2 way contact using > the >> same settings. >> >> Any reports will be welcome. >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> Sent: 06 May 2009 21:04 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 >> minutes. >> Same mode as yesterday. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. >>> Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY > test >>> transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward >> to >>> verify a new mode. >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Hello Gerhard, >>> >>> I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC >>> Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) >>> >>> 73, Rik >>> >>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Rik, >>>> >>>> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one >>> more >>>> chance for decoding.... >>>> >>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Hello Gerhard, >>>> >>>> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello Rik, >>>>> >>>>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>>>> >>>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>>>> >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>>>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>>>> and listen inbetween. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>>>> >>>>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer >> transmissions. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>> >>>>>>> OK Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to >>> monitor, >>>>> I >>>>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50H= z >>>>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>>>> The way I did it: >>>>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to >> FIR >>>>> BPF >>>>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click > "OK" >>>>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>>>> needs >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got >> the >>>>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your >> spec. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us >>> using >>>>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better >> decode >>>>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik > Strobbe >>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong fo= r >>>>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any furthe= r >>>>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the >>> colors >>>>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. >> 100Hz >>>>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign=20= & >>>>>>> locator >>>>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik >> Strobbe >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 > at >>>>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-5884a110d142c; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF , Last night good copy of XES ( 01:25 => 02:20 ) 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC092-b334a19830b3a9; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:25:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC077-b334a19830b3a9; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:25:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8HRE-0008Ug-M3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:24:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8HRE-0008UX-BK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:24:44 +0100 Received: from smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8HRA-0000vF-Sl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, Just worked G0MRF at 1705utc. Signal was 549 - apparently they are still working on the antenna, so might improve yet... Got a good report from them, so obviously receiving OK. Good luck for the rest of the operation, David and Garo. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (rly-dd10.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.157]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD084-ba34a00650d1f7; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:11:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD105-ba34a00650d1f7; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:10:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1NDg-0001eR-Fx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:10:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1NDf-0001eI-TW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:10:11 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1NDd-0007HO-6b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:10:11 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqMFAFEBAEpOlMC4/2dsb2JhbACEUM0BhAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.192.184]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 05 May 2009 17:08:00 +0100 Message-ID: <005f01c9cd9b$a9b312c0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:07:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I think I will stick with CW, the speed is easier to adjust!! de G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:25 PM Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test > Gary, LF, > > I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz > shift and 22Bd baudrate. > The way I did it: > 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") > 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" > 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not > a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) > 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that > is the audio frequency you get) > 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR > BPF > 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 > 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" > 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" > Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of > some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can > do that in the main screen. > > If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and > 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't > forget to select reverse mode). > I will announce the exact hours later this evening. > Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. > > All reports (or replies) are welcome. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>Hello Gary, >> >>I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>provide a robust signal. >>I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>permits - run some tests tonight. >> >>73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >>At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>Hi Rik, >>> >>>You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal needs >>>to >>>be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>partial decode. >>> >>>A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>> >>>I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using >>>85Hz. >>> >>>Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>judging by the strength of your signal. >>> >>>73 >>> >>>Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>>Hello Gary, >>> >>>call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>the last 2 minutes or so. >>>I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>So any advice is welcome. >>>I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>>and options. >>>I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>bandwidth. >>> >>>73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> >>> >>>Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>> >>> > Hi Rik, >>> > >>> > This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>> > locator >>> > :- >>> > >>> > RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>> > >>> > 73 >>> > >>> > Gary - G4WGT. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>> > Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> > Subject: LF: rtty test >>> > >>> > dear all, >>> > >>> > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>> > 21UTC >>> > Reports and/or reply welcome. >>> > >>> > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.18/2096 - Release Date: 05/04/09 17:51:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA031-a6349ff05b42bd; Mon, 04 May 2009 11:11:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA043-a6349ff05b42bd; Mon, 04 May 2009 11:11:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0zoR-0006E4-4J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:10:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0zoQ-0006Dv-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:10:34 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f180.google.com ([209.85.219.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0zoO-0007rl-BN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:10:34 +0100 Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so4377142ewy.4 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:10:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=m+oc2yzqRA6DVfQwU4NG2RGV6okOxwp/sdLFr95reeM=; b=p33U8saB9+QKqK+OT2Vlj+lg4+O3svegvmF2qxu7LHihqKxdjaSdVFh9ViezgfhKmi Rw7UgdlspZ1kPVYFcqnUb8g2CEpm6V/OulnVl4B/htGdyGyRGRXVX7NHGPZzsoofFSRV P7QOdXdSbEngZI6m00QoF7oquw90x7sSUHYxY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=bFjmwk9H7Y5A1oMg7IMX6FOITqKvZ29ApfoCqRqFcTPnBNa5WyDmWFyFnrDQZDyuTk GoxRVaWL6yDaH/kVeOjgGXU3S1copFIeEsy7EqL0nO24YaFegZRuTjl+lky2lVYCcKGd E/qVK9Lnhlsx+DpO16Vew369cp6rip2UoC4ts= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.11.138 with SMTP id 10mr1736186wex.51.1241449826681; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:10:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:10:26 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410905040810m1fb41016pab9a1c0a7c79bf06@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367d6f14ed05e70469178fb5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d243.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016367d6f14ed05e70469178fb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Have you tried a can of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies? Is it the ferrite aerial or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain then a little negative feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-decoupled source resistor. Dave 'YXM 2009/5/3 Chris Osborn > LF, > > I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' > Handbook), > modified for use on the 500 kHz band. > > I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering > available components, > the differences being: > a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published > varicaps. > b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. > c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the > published LW coil. > > I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet > the > field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and > can vary up to > 30 %. > > I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've > spent hours trying > to correct it. > > 73 Chris G3XIZ > > > > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --0016367d6f14ed05e70469178fb5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris

Have you tried a can of "freezer" spray to identify w= here the problem lies? Is it the ferrite aerial or is it the FET amplifier?=20= If you have enough gain then a little negative feedback on the FET stage may= help, add some un-decoupled source resistor.

Dave 'YXM

2009/5/3 Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>

LF,

I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength= meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook),
modified for use on the 500 kHz=20= band.

I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering=20= available components,
the differences being:
a) I have used a small va= riable capacitor instead of the published varicaps.
b) I used a JFET 2N38= 19 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets.
c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the publish= ed LW coil.

I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable=20= magnetic field yet the
field strength meter's output voltage is very= dependent on temperature and can vary up to
30 %.

I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem=20= as I've spent hours trying
to correct it.

73 Chris G3XIZ

--
G3YXM IO92BK= Birmingham UK
--0016367d6f14ed05e70469178fb5-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (rly-mf09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.179]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF023-9814a009ea824a; Tue, 05 May 2009 16:17:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF097-9814a009ea824a; Tue, 05 May 2009 16:16:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1R3r-0002yD-Tg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:16:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1R3r-0002y4-Dg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:16:19 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1R3o-00023K-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:16:18 +0100 X-Trace: 194058312/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgEAF87AEpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKIcVhBPCXweDegU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,299,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="194058312" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 May 2009 21:15:15 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 21:15:15 +0100 Message-ID: <010401c9cdbe$34277050$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnNumIWbBxY2XGaRm6ZpMklC6mn+wAA7EkQ X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik, MTTY is set up as you suggested. Waiting your signal now. 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 05 May 2009 20:44 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Hello Gary, LF, I just had a first transmission. I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > OK Rik, > > I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor, I > normally use TrueTTY. > > Thanks for the info. > > Cheers, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test > > Gary, LF, > > I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz > shift and 22Bd baudrate. > The way I did it: > 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") > 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" > 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not > a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) > 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that > is the audio frequency you get) > 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR BPF > 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 > 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" > 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" > Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of > some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can > do that in the main screen. > > If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and > 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't > forget to select reverse mode). > I will announce the exact hours later this evening. > Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. > > All reports (or replies) are welcome. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >> Hello Gary, >> >> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >> provide a robust signal. >> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >> permits - run some tests tonight. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>> Hi Rik, >>> >>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal needs > to >>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>> partial decode. >>> >>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>> >>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using > 85Hz. >>> >>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Hello Gary, >>> >>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>> So any advice is welcome. >>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>> and options. >>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>> bandwidth. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> >>> >>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>> >>> > Hi Rik, >>> > >>> > This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & > locator >>> > :- >>> > >>> > RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>> > >>> > 73 >>> > >>> > Gary - G4WGT. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>> > Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> > Subject: LF: rtty test >>> > >>> > dear all, >>> > >>> > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at > 21UTC >>> > Reports and/or reply welcome. >>> > >>> > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME062-9b84a073126216; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:55:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME054-9b84a073126216; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:55:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3F6g-00011R-JY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:54:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3F6g-00011I-82 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:54:42 +0100 Received: from mta31.charter.net ([216.33.127.82]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3F6c-0001tY-O3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:54:41 +0100 Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090510195425.UVRH2647.mta31.charter.net@imp11> for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:54:25 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.189.74.84]) by imp11 with charter.net id pvuR1b0081p78xe05vuRh2; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:54:25 -0400 Message-ID: <4A0730F1.4020202@charter.net> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:54:25 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> <20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik, Experience with MFSK4 over here showed that it held together very well as a signal dropped in a fade, but the resync was nasty if copy was lost. So in a bench test where you start out with a strong signal and attenuate it until copy is lost, MFSK4 will show a great signal range. But starting from a weak signal is tough, as is recovering from a fade. Resync with MFSK8 seems much better, but it's pretty wideband for this application. John, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME032-9a94a1d6fd91be; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:53:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME035-9a94a1d6fd91be; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:52:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9MKn-0008Qp-Nw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:50:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9MKn-0008Qg-Bb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:50:33 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9MKk-0000Ox-Jg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:50:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 17366 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2009 16:50:25 -0000 Received: from 85.178.103.222 by www069.gmx.net with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:50:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:50:22 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: <4A1B9B85.3070501@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <20090527165022.288760@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4A19A7E4.4030606@btconnect.com> <84D65F58F723418B8DC8672A3B10C875@64683d74b6134b3> <4A1AB588.2070603@btconnect.com> <84EEB64668A34793A28A4B2B3E8DACE6@64683d74b6134b3> <4A1B9B85.3070501@btconnect.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+n/GgsBSKnBDbSneWXJTgCFiUuY5Zei5MA4P7gDp IVKNL1h7s2yi3Ur7b1KQVONDMdXvoG/JZ67w== X-GMX-UID: fFkoe7kYbUk7EujWDGgnFshsZ2hlN8r7 X-FuHaFi: 0.53 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: LF: reports DI2AM OK0EMW SK6RUD X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi! Tuesday night, a horrible noise, constantly present for some months now, suddenly disappeared after thunderstorms and strong rain (Maybe there is a correlation beetween?). The broadband noise was badly interfering even to strong LF broadcast stations, it made any reception of 600m, 160m, 80m, etc completely impossible. On 20m only the stongest stations could penetrate the noise, but no fun to listen to them... The good news seem to be: There is obviousely one single source of this noise, so may be I could track this source and take measures in the future :) Of course I was curious, if there were signals on 600m, and tried to receive some beacons: RX homemade, bandwidth abt. 110Hz, wireloop abt.15sqm, 10m asl. in a linden tree ;) qth Berlin city, JO62RM date 27.V.2009 01:40-01:44Z / DI2AM peaking 439 qsb qrn / OK0EMW nil hrd 01:44-01:49Z / SK6RUD nil hrd 10:08-10:17Z / DI2AM + OK0EMW nil hrd 12:55-13:01Z / DI2AM nil hrd vy73 Dennis DL6NVC -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss f�r nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA084-8be4a199c432e1; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:13:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA078-8be4a199c432e1; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:13:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8J7j-0000sp-Q6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:12:43 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8J7j-0000sg-7v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:12:43 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8J7h-0008Cf-Bh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:12:43 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6DBE67000084 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:12:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.79.33]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id E64757000082 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:12:32 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090524191232943.E64757000082@mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:12:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:45 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: First Portable Trip > > mal hamilton wrote: >> Jim >> I did not say an inv L virtually lying on the ground as in Richards >> case(1 METRE ABOVE GROUND), this is more like a beverage antenna. > This is all very interesting. I have spent an hour in a darkened room > contemplating suitable antennas (well not quite). Comments from experts > welcome: > > 1) T antenna. Am I right in thinking that in the classical T > configuration, the horizontal part of the aerial is only there to add > capacity - i.e. it makes no contribution to the groundwave? ..........Yes If so, I > assume that I can use very thin wire for the T? .........No , depends on thin, but I sqr R losses and skin losses will be high > > 2) In the more likely configuration with "horizontal" wires actually > acting as an inverted V can I still use very thin wire without reducing > performance? ...... As above > > 3) Is there any benefit to be gained by having an inductor at the top of > the vertical section of the T? ........ I would say Yes , I use a top loading coil on my inverted L with 2 wire horizontal capacity section , A centre mounted coil , when modelled gives slightly more gain If so, will the loss of the inductor be > relevant if the part of the antenna above it (the T wires) don't > contribute to useful radiation? ......... would depend on the coil , I use 40 turns of insulated 35 amp mains cable on a 4 inch former .. no idea of the losses but the system seems to radiate ,,,,,, assume the only losses could be dielectric losses or I sqr R , but with a heavy cable and polycarbonate former , I don't expect much ...... you are making a series acceptor cct , max I should be a the coil/cap section junction , which will be the highest point . 73, Graham .,. NB I looked into the portable antenna (for use with a handy fence) and found that a 'arrow shape' or drooping T , with 10 mtr vertical section (fishing pole) with sloping top section looked to give a reasonable performance, however , once the ends of the arrow , dropped to 6 feet or less , the radiation pattern and the performance became much reduced .. can only assume it was the capacity of the end wires to earth > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/24/09 > 07:09:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME031-9c64a048ead16e; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:57:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME072-9c64a048ead16e; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:57:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2WBo-0006JO-AB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:57:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2WBn-0006JF-TJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:56:59 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f213.google.com ([209.85.217.213]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2WBk-0008NR-Q4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:56:59 +0100 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so3543047gxk.4 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 12:55:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fkNrFpLqZ+PE0b+QjTbb77k04mDMEEphbNBuUQoiRLg=; b=ih1xzxAXujEJ0HeSB8f7nA/z3U/TXSwETXIIQt9R8X6v16hzFm0D2BbNI4L2vX5oT6 WY1Siyhehr7UG/zvWv/gu1cbJGUxaCppZcMWyTvlKqIilZNzQV26zbOjdf/nNzO0TA8D OcE4Vmma4M8ehpbYXt/+PZ7ex4NIxHRN0JooM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=rh1NmpdFeyoaWPlDH2RWmwZW2aoozILfAaBCUXan8O8qmO8J+4Xj4xPq7ldsxenJYn iARyXReEio5gLR2dfB6conksK4wnKy71M4k9T/iVg+2hstyPbdUIasQYNsv4NvF3sjHH 19A9EovRMMfI9uUKSOFIarVHUagGL1MBHpZyc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.53.10 with SMTP id b10mr5494722yba.63.1241812549678; Fri, 08 May 2009 12:55:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <008301c9cffe$50615a50$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <88d2415e0905080655s4000e8fdyc08621bbb8686b45@mail.gmail.com> <005301c9cfee$2f3aab70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A0455FC.1000101@btconnect.com> <008301c9cffe$50615a50$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:55:49 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905081255l786d3ca1v10c61f19e99bd8d1@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Activity Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3489ce6b96504696c031c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m268.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd3489ce6b96504696c031c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just keeping out of your way, Mal. 2009/5/8 mal hamilton > Where is our CONCERNED MAN ? now > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" > > To: > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Activity > > > > mal hamilton wrote: >> >>> G3KEV, G3XIZ and G3DXZ are active nearly every day, also GI4DPE,GW3UEP >>> and GW4HXO appear now and again plus others. >>> I have heard you on the odd time but your signal is vy weak. >>> >>> Mal >> >> I can hear you calling CQ on 500kHz right now. >> >> 73 >> >> Richard >> G3CWI >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2104 - Release Date: 05/08/09 > 06:34:00 > > > --000e0cd3489ce6b96504696c031c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just keeping out of your way, Mal.

2009/5/= 8 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Where is our CONCERNED MAN ? now

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" <g3cwi@btconnect.com>= ;
To: <rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Activity

mal hamilton wrote:

G3KEV, G3XIZ and G3DXZ are active nearly every day, also GI4DPE,GW3UEP
and GW4HXO appear now and again plus others.
I have heard you on the odd time but your signal is vy weak.

Mal

I can hear you calling CQ on 500kHz right now.

73

Richard
G3CWI

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No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.co= m
Version: 8.0.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2104 - Release Date: 05/08/09 0= 6:34:00

--000e0cd3489ce6b96504696c031c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE031-4bb4a0f09b6e3; Sat, 16 May 2009 14:45:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE026-4bb4a0f09b6e3; Sat, 16 May 2009 14:45:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5Ork-0002nu-MJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 19:44:12 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5Ork-0002nl-5a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 19:44:12 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5Ori-0006if-1A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 19:44:12 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArAFAE+mDkpZ8ol1/2dsb2JhbACCJSyCAIdCBsUJhAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.137.117]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 19:43:01 +0100 Message-ID: <008301c9d656$23bb9fc0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <007101c9d64b$b954bf40$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:43:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01C9D65E.85550020" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C9D65E.85550020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just finished a nice solid QSO with OE5ODL on 137.7 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: LF: 137.7=20 Now looking for acty on 137.7 Khz.Nil so far mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2117 - Release Date: 05/15/09= 17:55:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C9D65E.85550020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just finished a nice solid QSO with OE5OD= L on=20 137.7

mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

mal= =20 hamilton

To: rsgb

Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:28=20 PM

Subject: LF: 137.7

Now looking for acty on 137.7 Khz.Nil so=20 far

mal/g3kev

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.329 / Viru= s=20 Database: 270.12.32/2117 - Release Date: 05/15/09=20 17:55:00
------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C9D65E.85550020-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA082-8b24a1083ee3a2; Sun, 17 May 2009 17:39:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA064-8b24a1083ee3a2; Sun, 17 May 2009 17:38:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5o3Y-0006Ir-Ld for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 22:38:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5o3Y-0006Ii-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 22:38:04 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.12]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5o3V-0000nh-BP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 22:38:04 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-31-132.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.31.132] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1M5o3S-000OY1-VZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 22:37:59 +0100 Message-ID: <4A1086FB.3050401@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 22:51:55 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Laurence, It takes time and experience to learn how to get any sort of signal from very electrically small antennas and there has been very little information in Japanese on this subject. I recall when working with Mike G3XDV at the RSGB we waited in vain for articles on LF after NOVs were issued in 1997 for 73kHz. From the pioneering work of G3XDV, G2AJV and G4JNT (to name but a few) signals only started to be heard on the band six or seven months after the NOVs were issued. This should soon change. I have been working with Taizo Arakawa, JA3AER to produce articles on the subject in the Japanese magazine CQ Ham Radio. The first one was a general interest article '136kHz in the UK and Europe', published in April 1999. Because the release of the 136kHz to Japanese amateurs was imminent I was asked do write a practical 'How to get started on 136kHz'. This was published in CQ Ham Radio May 2009. This also tended to be rather broad and general so a more detailed follow up article on the problems of using an electrically small antennas and the design of loading coils has been submitted. I can put copies of these articles on my web site if anyone is interested but I guess I will first have to get the permission of the CQ Ham Radio editor. The Japanese call this new band the 135kHz band. Regards Peter, G3LDO > Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites > - fyi 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A > From: ja3vqw Hiroshi > Hi Laurence > Thanks for your e-mail. > Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) > last month. > I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO > with any station. > I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz. > So if you find my signal please QSL me. > My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W. > The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-5384a10736425d; Sun, 17 May 2009 16:28:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF031-5384a10736425d; Sun, 17 May 2009 16:28:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5mx0-00068i-AG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 21:27:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5mwz-00068Z-Qz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 21:27:13 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5mwy-0007By-FI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 21:27:13 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1E67B8049 for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 22:26:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50F731E703 for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 22:26:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id E68A15AB1; Sun, 17 May 2009 22:26:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 200.43-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (200.43-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.43.200]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 17 May 2009 22:26:30 +0200 Message-ID: <20090517222630.ae0y0n55sb7ookoo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 22:26:30 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.43.200 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Warren, depends on what you call a neighbour. In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to 400km under =20 similar conditions. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Warren Ziegler : > Tnx Laurence, > > If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will > have to get some of his neighbors on. > > 73 Warren K2ORS > > On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrot= e: >> >> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites -=20= fyi >> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A >> >> >> From: ja3vqw Hiroshi >> Hi Laurence >> >> Thanks for your e-mail. >> Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last >> month. >> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO wit= h >> any station. >> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz. >> So if you find my signal please QSL me. >> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W. >> The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long. >> 73 >> >> >> >> >> >> Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=E2=80=99t worry about storage= limits. 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required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Great signal here in Germany: http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm -- 73 Hartmut www.h-wolff.de Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD041-9064a00974e2b6; Tue, 05 May 2009 15:45:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD056-9064a00974e2b6; Tue, 05 May 2009 15:45:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1QZ8-0002nN-Pc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:44:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1QZ8-0002nE-5G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:44:34 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1QZ5-0001e5-Sc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:44:33 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F5D7B8050 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:44:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D8231E704 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:44:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 8551B5D94; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:44:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.65.71.240]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:44:22 +0200 Message-ID: <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 21:44:22 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.65.71.240 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gary, LF, I just had a first transmission. I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my =20 signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > OK Rik, > > I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor, I > normally use TrueTTY. > > Thanks for the info. > > Cheers, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test > > Gary, LF, > > I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz > shift and 22Bd baudrate. > The way I did it: > 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") > 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" > 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not > a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) > 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that > is the audio frequency you get) > 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR BP= F > 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 > 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" > 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" > Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of > some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can > do that in the main screen. > > If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and > 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't > forget to select reverse mode). > I will announce the exact hours later this evening. > Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. > > All reports (or replies) are welcome. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >> Hello Gary, >> >> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >> provide a robust signal. >> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >> permits - run some tests tonight. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>> Hi Rik, >>> >>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal needs > to >>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>> partial decode. >>> >>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>> >>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using > 85Hz. >>> >>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Hello Gary, >>> >>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>> So any advice is welcome. >>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>> and options. >>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>> bandwidth. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> >>> >>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>> >>> > Hi Rik, >>> > >>> > This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & > locator >>> > :- >>> > >>> > RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>> > >>> > 73 >>> > >>> > Gary - G4WGT. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>> > Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> > Subject: LF: rtty test >>> > >>> > dear all, >>> > >>> > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at > 21UTC >>> > Reports and/or reply welcome. >>> > >>> > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC021-b3b4a0dbbbe260; Fri, 15 May 2009 15:00:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC087-b3b4a0dbbbe260; Fri, 15 May 2009 15:00:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M52d9-00006i-I7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:59:39 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M52d9-00006Z-5f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:59:39 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M52d7-0004Ke-Gt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:59:39 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFAFNYDUpOlr7O/2dsb2JhbACCJC6BfYRdgmUGxDOEAQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.190.206]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 19:59:28 +0100 Message-ID: <007a01c9d58f$45a60e80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:59:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: BC-221-T Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0077_01C9D597.A372AF70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C9D597.A372AF70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dug out a nice BC 221 today. 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I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would mak= e a nice=20 OSC/driver for MF. It is mint condx but has not been used for years. Some wi= ll=20 be familiar with this unit, vintage WWII made in the USA (ZENITH RADIO=20 CORPORATION CHICAGO) Maybe someone knows the man that made it !!

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<006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus><5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC><008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus><61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB><4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB><1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB><20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be><2149FAD3D3B349DA8DD2D9B692522EEE@AGB> <20090510232311.c7w0ojp43pk4880w@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <2647D014C3484E85BEE640AEC4B3BFE6@AGB> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:48:33 +0200 Message-ID: <40A1D9029BDA4447880EDB0D20E31225@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <2647D014C3484E85BEE640AEC4B3BFE6@AGB> Thread-Index: AcnRt7yWX2pNvcU/RaOIGnSwhKNYOQAAQDCw X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Graham, looking for your signals with no results until yet. May be you can increase power for the last halve hour of transmission=20 (22:30 until 23:00 UTC?) 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2009 23:36 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Rik, The mfsk signal is a single tone, the other systems are sending 2 tones , peak levels of the systems are all the same .. as far as I can measure ,=20 looks like your % copy ties with last night , ? , the instant lock of=20 the throb system looks to be working well ? Each stream is about 35 watts , last night I was running 150 in single=20 mode tnx - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Gary, > > despite that there is no copy in MFSK4 this signal sound much stronger > than the Throbx2 and psk31 signals. > Idem on the G3YXM grabber: MFSK4 look brighter than the other 2. > Looks as if the power is not the same. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > >> Ok Rik, >> >> Well see what prints with this beacon, Im running Fldigi x 3 times >> on the same pc , Gary is running the same for rx and reports all is >> ok with the system ... >> >> tnx- G .. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Rik Strobbe" >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:40 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt >=20 >> later >> >>> >>> Hello Graham, >>> >>> thanks for the QSO's last night. >>> Under current conditions (lot of QRN and QSB) ThrobX2 seemes a bit >>> better than >>> PSK31. MFSK4 wouldn't print last night. >>> The night before it was the same until all the sudden I had a perfect=20 >>> print. >>> Maybe tuning / synchronisation is rather critical for MFSK4. >>> The bandwidth of MFSK4 seems about 150Hz, so i will not use it for=20 >>> transmit. >>> PSK31 and ThrobX2 are well below 100Hz. >>> >>> I will try to decode the signals starting 21:00 UTC. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Graham : >>> >>>> Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream >>>> same text , 60 sec repeat .. >>>> >>>> >>>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz =3D 503.20k cent rf >>>> >>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz =3D 503,00k cent rf >>>> >>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz =3D 502.70 k cent rf >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' >>>> lock up time ? >>>> >>>> Graham >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Graham" >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later >>>> >>>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >>>>> >>>>> G .. >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Graham" >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> All >>>>>> >>>>>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>>>>> >>>>>> Tx set >>>>>> >>>>>> Dial 501.000 >>>>>> mode usb >>>>>> >>>>>> FLDIGI software >>>>> >>>>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>>>>> >>>>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>>>>> >>>>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>>>>> >>>>>> Power 40 watts per stream >>>>>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>>>>> >>>>>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>>>>> >>>>>> Reports welcome >>>>>> >>>>>> Graham >>>>>> >>>>>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release >>>>>> Date: 05/09/09 >>>>>> 06:54:00 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>>>> 05/09/09 06:54:00 >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: >>> 05/10/09 07:02:00 >>> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 > 07:02:00 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (rly-ma09.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.53]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA083-8cc4a05e7d6370; 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d="scan'208,217";a="196447797" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 May 2009 21:29:22 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 21:29:22 +0100 Message-ID: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnQ5NYuNA6DHeK4TCeQd5vSQq8REA== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C9D0ED.3873CEB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; 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------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C9D0ED.3873CEB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME031-99b4a0b50762cf; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:58:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME017-99b4a0b50762cf; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:58:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4NNq-0000AN-1G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:57:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4NNp-0000AE-Il for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:57:05 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4NNm-0000ho-6a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:57:04 +0100 thread-index: AcnUHh16elKmHQGuSsi0CnFxN4p1Ig== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:56:55 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com> <833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> <20090513225952.e2nk4cqpm9kwokc4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> <1M4N5H-0fEEds0@fwd03.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1M4N5H-0fEEds0@fwd03.t-online.de> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:56:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 HA-JO, thank you for info and report! de Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:37 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB > Dear Gus, > > tonight around 22.30 UTC your SSB is also better to read, also yesterday > nicht. > > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB > > > "Gus" schrieb: >> Rik, >> >> thank's report. >> >> 73 de Gus SM6BHZ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rik Strobbe" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM >> Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB >> >> >> > Gus, >> > >> > solid 57 signal here tonight >> > >> > 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME033-9cb4a0125ec1b7; Wed, 06 May 2009 01:53:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME077-9cb4a0125ec1b7; Wed, 06 May 2009 01:53:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1a3h-0005C2-L2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 06:52:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1a3h-0005Bt-92 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 06:52:45 +0100 Received: from mx75.mail.ru ([94.100.176.90]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1a3c-0005E2-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 06:52:44 +0100 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=43862 helo=EFREMOV) by mx75.mail.ru with asmtp id 1M1a3V-00089t-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 09:52:33 +0400 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <000f01c9ce0e$d6594b50$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <20090505145733.ZR0ZK.2161725.root@mp14> <000201c9cde4$c3008ac0$0b01a8c0@weazle> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 05:51:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: JA3VQW in the cluster! 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<005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Gary, I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to provide a robust signal. I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time permits - run some tests tonight. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >Hi Rik, > >You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal needs to >be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >partial decode. > >A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. > >I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using 85Hz. > >Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >judging by the strength of your signal. > >73 > >Gary - G4WGT. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test > >Hello Gary, > >call the is almost right, locator completely. >But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >the last 2 minutes or so. >I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >So any advice is welcome. >I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >and options. >I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >bandwidth. > >73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > >Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > > > Hi Rik, > > > > This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & locator > > :- > > > > RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX > > > > 73 > > > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > > Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: rtty test > > > > dear all, > > > > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC > > Reports and/or reply welcome. > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME082-9da4a212bfaf3; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:52:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME096-9da4a212bfaf3; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:52:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAO2G-00011L-Ss for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:51:40 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAO2G-00011C-D1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:51:40 +0100 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAO2F-00006t-EA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:51:40 +0100 Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a212bd23b8; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:51:30 -0400 Received: from KKorn42@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.d58.41e24cdc (37228) for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KKneu (f049008073.adsl.alicedsl.de [78.49.8.73]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA065-916c4a212bcd151; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:51:26 -0400 From: "KKorn" To: Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:51:24 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c9e125$580c9930$25fefea9@KKneu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AW: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C9E136.1B956930" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C9E136.1B956930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To Laurie G3AQC Try =93www dot andyquarz dot de=94 he has lots of x-tals and makes them to o= rder (tel +49(0)421 353060 or fax 372714). Klaus DJ6LB =20 73 de Klaus DJ6LB ~~~ No trees were killed in the sending of this message, ~~~ ~~~ but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ~~~ =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von lawrence mayhead Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Mai 2009 12:42 An: rsgb Betreff: LF: Information =20 Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? Any ideas thanks Laurie G3AQC ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C9E136.1B956930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C9E136.1B956930-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME051-9cd4a00b0e1103; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:34:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME081-9cd4a00b0e1103; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:34:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1SGf-0003sz-Bt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:33:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1SGe-0003sq-N0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:33:36 +0100 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1SGc-0002w7-4Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:33:35 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.21] (helo=11.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #91) id 1M1SFd-0006bK-39 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 23:32:33 +0200 Received: from w0464.w.pppool.de ([89.58.4.100]:1538 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 11.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M1SFc-00088Z-IN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 23:32:33 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 23:32:29 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnNxHeQAsWbHMVpTVWFJ7Z6TbMa4gABEHuA X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one more chance for decoding.... Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Hello Gerhard, thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > Hello Rik, > > Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. > > Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test > > Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. > I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC > and listen inbetween. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Rik Strobbe : > >> Hello Gary, LF, >> >> I just had a first transmission. >> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >>> OK Rik, >>> >>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor, > I >>> normally use TrueTTY. >>> >>> Thanks for the info. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Gary, LF, >>> >>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>> The way I did it: >>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>> is the audio frequency you get) >>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR > BPF >>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>> do that in the main screen. >>> >>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>> forget to select reverse mode). >>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>> >>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>> Hello Gary, >>>> >>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>> provide a robust signal. >>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>> >>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal > needs >>> to >>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>> partial decode. >>>>> >>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>> >>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using >>> 85Hz. >>>>> >>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>> >>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>>>> and options. >>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>> bandwidth. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>> >>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>> locator >>>>>> :- >>>>>> >>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>> >>>>>> dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>> 21UTC >>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD064-8f04a17aeea244; Sat, 23 May 2009 04:08:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD028-8f04a17aeea244; Sat, 23 May 2009 04:08:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7mG6-0002OL-Lf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:07:10 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7mG6-0002OC-6p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:07:10 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.187]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7mFu-0003qz-F6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:07:10 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2beaomr09.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CMT00571; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:06:52 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A17AE9F.2070000@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:06:55 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0206.4A17AE9D.004E,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: M0FMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Calling CQ on 502. Heard many times here in last couple of days but can't hear me :-( 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG011-a214a12b01f9c; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:12:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG073-a214a12b01f9c; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:12:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6P6U-0004x8-IE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:11:34 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6P6U-0004wz-5d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:11:34 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.146]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6P6S-0002VX-4W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:11:34 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so3529419qwj.16 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 06:11:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=copiRsLyiL+6Mqi6GlUZwLmwVuHlWlp5BeFXGDCMrNo=; b=Y03/4vqFGK3TSlAO1elwkv/Ae340WFaW5wMFJR08VbHgBnUOslanCgIxSbTc023YZk 6SgP/2MdzW1NHstysEzG3P+M0u7NBEz5PCQ81ZxR4q4pfH86+nZBSHTcrOBtv0CGRDkR tfg+I/T1G9CsUboab/RIeJpB2nsSe7nap6lRY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EEA/Eks96rd8luOUfF/+sMFEXmz+7hmSgp4SeYF+hReOBKUf6PwQVAzA9zPYTHTnlP KSGkwnS58la3TiPxR58gRxQYnInpEbASmyc16PfE8O8agAV1Fu4W/8U8Jn6IvBiG9Pko gYO0Ekrd+ezQDDptgRVfZwh/gcrCV9V6nBDvQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.37.138 with SMTP id x10mr21588qad.143.1242738690275; Tue, 19 May 2009 06:11:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:11:30 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905190611o43f0ff79w4924ea45fd33ee33@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 19-05.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d299.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thanks Henny for the capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/5/19 henny van elst : > Hi Warren,Lf > nice capture XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 19-05.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD014-8e94a19a4f218a; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:50:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD021-8e94a19a4f218a; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:50:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JhG-0001NG-9f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:49:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JhF-0001N7-Rr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:49:25 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr06.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.184]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8JhD-0001nU-Gz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:49:25 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2beaomr06.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id BNW48708; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:49:18 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A19A4C1.2070909@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:49:21 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <108EF969E1FE4E14821FD0B03287232F@JimPC> <20090524213307.sbrh6ea8x2g4og4s@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090524213307.sbrh6ea8x2g4og4s@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr06.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.4A19A4BE.011B,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik Strobbe wrote: > nil from G0MRF here (until 19:30 UTC) > Are they QRV ? > > No sign now. They were QRV earlier in the afternoon but nothing heard here. Saw a very faint trace on G3YXM's grabber at the time. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-aa64a22f81759; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:35:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB014-aa64a22f81759; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:35:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAsg0-00048D-PK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:34:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAsg0-000484-DI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:34:44 +0100 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([195.4.92.92]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAsfx-0002u8-Fs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:34:43 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.14] (helo=4.mx.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #88) id 1MAsfu-0001ZH-8e; Sun, 31 May 2009 23:34:38 +0200 Received: from w0f28.w.pppool.de ([89.58.15.40]:1652 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 4.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1MAsft-0003u3-Ct; Sun, 31 May 2009 23:34:38 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Cc: "'Dave G3WCB'" , "'Dennis'" , "'Chris Osborn'" , "'Finbar'" References: <513649.77849.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20090531205831.293140@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 23:34:37 +0200 Message-ID: <614753F3F94647D0B58B692058DB7200@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090531205831.293140@gmx.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcniM6qWJAgkPTaxSsW/joInsKdTOgAAeCog X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: AW: rx 600m tonight for YOU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Dennis, Chris, Dave, Finbar /// LF I can copy G3XIZ (Chris) regular CW-signal with about 339 and=20 some QRN in JN59LN; And there is also GI4DPE, Finbar on the QRG, about 449, solid copy! No copy of Dave's signal ...SRI !!=20 vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Dennis Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Mai 2009 22:59 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: rx 600m tonight for YOU Hi! I just reconfigured my RX to 0.5MHz, and appreciate receiving signals tonight on 600m :) Just let me know You are there, and where. vy73 Dennis Berlin JO62RM PS: Loop pointing NW/SE,=20 so Scotland might induce higher voltages than England. --=20 Nur bis 31.05.: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate und Telefonanschluss nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-a974a0c8a0b217; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:16:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA107-a974a0c8a0b217; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:15:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4iGn-0001iQ-OA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:15:13 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4iGn-0001iH-5h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:15:13 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.67]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4iGl-0002eJ-G6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:15:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 96460 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 21:14:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Importance; b=xUe84ll7tgC9MlZPepdZ/qI/Be4TN09FX3EvNwWKoZB+MdvBqOoL91v8P7ZySAcKQY3Cxp9i7W8YyJvjF0I/iuWUeryP5612VoCMH8kVHCO2fx6nl8zMq/Ez6D7jRN5fz53AKW3DXTljEvYjfXe8vEqpdPgR1JqrKPQKARuPTy0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.146.212.221 with login) by smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 21:14:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5evSUi0VM1ls1vqN9RS7lEWRoCsF97ew7UPsNqEzzv6uToO.3N1Coo4Y4yzwqBdIE4KLgmEJjywssGPuMRptZgcXfcUTC5ENeD2lCcrDLjQ4nVSqH06uRegcGUQCpUTLcqn.HFqaQzt.fdPENAJ9vEf5GQZ8UG1hdqnw0oJiA9nwYLXmXeQJfagy2TvyV5OYZnH2KgStHnKiI8tFD0sNMO7vP2P8LlEV0Gg6hXSVuuWqHI8eKUDjij4hlw.SFrRlGtxc6JcWuV6FKICUFCyqLPKOVJchNvj7QbZqTRyiAV0t.1pfwaZ0ROJdjlU_2G2_i8Lqe3FLx7vs.OIa5qWP6IapPICAQyUjMWqqTtH0Hv4IlQ7YSA6NOMo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:14:20 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <4A0C71A3.9070307@btconnect.com> Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Beacon now on 501.6kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi, Richard. Your signals are much better than yesterday. You are RST 549 with the usual QSB and QRN. I couldn't hear you at all yesterday, and your signals were only just visible using "Argo". 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E England. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Richard Newstead Sent: 14 May 2009 20:32 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Beacon now on 501.6kHz I have optimised the link coupling for my ATU and have a lot more antenna current. Reports very welcome. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD091-b8649fba6a177; Fri, 01 May 2009 21:49:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD068-b8649fba6a177; Fri, 01 May 2009 21:49:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M04KT-0005IW-0C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 02:47:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M04KS-0005IN-Dg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 02:47:48 +0100 Received: from smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.234]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M04KQ-0002gI-8t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 02:47:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 65547 invoked from network); 2 May 2009 01:47:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=o1F71JJvHxEUV/BU87xyI0N8grU/uy77/Ix9uagoyAf+k8tqDAdjunBLpIOp7FFQjXmyzyfGA6UZ2OmbIzR2j7xg38iutw/8FwRSfIlpYN7KdPn54BDIF6fuhP52o7pnIlZxvQVCavXRVNM8Rq9eAcKcgNEERSoZEj1MOBTi09g= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.110.8 with login) by smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2009 01:47:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ua_xqKcVM1nstyVOd0nqslxk9ZzBD9fxNlVU1Q3bZgztXA76HswdTEEz5YRMRytAhP2vBM71IDgFwaPIiOILgZT_zPLqAK1sJpfzNKK..FwYo8eRYDtqArp_2Vd1ENfirjb7fiQ6xy4UrNLCH12qO.qLCt1SfDCmQp9vTB3B.NqNMcopmFJnptgdnEO7z7rgrDMGfE4yjcGiw16WW4gA3B6NjErphlhsgBi7HbPfyHUThtT9QbsnSzYxPm6Ahpjwwy4ZlElZTh4RaHzZ4AuiHsnEQpllzF05DgqANNCxr18Q3Ng8pQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <3434E6D21DAD4B9591AB1AEA2064AA52@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 02:47:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: OE5ODL Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C9CAD0.5C183B30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C9CAD0.5C183B30 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF Group, Good signal from OE5ODL at about 0100utc -see attachment. 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(Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000301c9bc43$b366cfa0$6401a8c0@radiocomputer> In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dave > > Exhibit #1 www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP109.jpg An interesting design - what are you using as a broadband match in xformer for the 200KHz - HF? Thanks Stewart/G3YSX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5564a110d14a5; Mon, 18 May 2009 03:24:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF061-5564a110d14a5; Mon, 18 May 2009 03:24:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5xC5-00074X-2q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 08:23:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5xC4-00074O-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 08:23:28 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5xC0-0001b0-Ux for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 08:23:28 +0100 Received: from 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<200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:05:21 +0100 Message-ID: <011401c9cdc5$33baeeb0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnNxHNkCzoQ4m94SCuDa9p9u3NNQgAAJ94w X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Rik, Just got this as you came up in strength. ANT INV-L 11M HIGH AND 22M LONG ERP ABT 500MW RTTY TEST DE OR7T OR7T OR7T JO20IX PWR 100W ANT INV-L 11M HIGH AND 22M LONG ERP ABT 500MW SE K Looking good now. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 05 May 2009 21:56 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Hello Gerhard, thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > Hello Rik, > > Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. > > Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test > > Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. > I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC > and listen inbetween. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Rik Strobbe : > >> Hello Gary, LF, >> >> I just had a first transmission. >> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >>> OK Rik, >>> >>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor, > I >>> normally use TrueTTY. >>> >>> Thanks for the info. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Gary, LF, >>> >>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>> The way I did it: >>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>> is the audio frequency you get) >>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR > BPF >>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>> do that in the main screen. >>> >>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>> forget to select reverse mode). >>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>> >>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>> Hello Gary, >>>> >>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>> provide a robust signal. >>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>> >>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal > needs >>> to >>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>> partial decode. >>>>> >>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>> >>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using >>> 85Hz. >>>>> >>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>> >>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>>>> and options. >>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>> bandwidth. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>> >>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>> locator >>>>>> :- >>>>>> >>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>> >>>>>> dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>> 21UTC >>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF043-5324a071a8f20b; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 All Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 Tx set Dial 501.000 mode usb FLDIGI software MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz Power 40 watts per stream Running loop at 60 seconds repeat No rx due to drive below vox/alc level Reports welcome Graham G0NBD / IO83LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD043-8ec4a05eebf22a; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:59:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD024-8ec4a05eebf22a; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:59:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2tdR-0003KU-Rb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:59:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2tdR-0003KL-GB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Gary, LF Group, You are S5 here at the moment in a the rising QRN. Also can see G0NBD and OR7T attempting a QSO in MSK4 - Rik's signal is just about visible on the waterfall, but will have to wait until I have completed noise-cancelling improvements before I will stand a chance of copying it here. G4JNT's beacon is also a good signal. Earlier, I had a CW QSO with G3XIZ, and this morning with Dennis, M0JXM, who was a new one for me. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de12.mx.aol.com (rly-de12.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.148]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE063-51d49fdfc0a1b; Sun, 03 May 2009 16:18:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE124-51d49fdfc0a1b; Sun, 03 May 2009 16:18:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0i7x-0004Q3-Kf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 21:17:33 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0i7x-0004Pu-7K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 21:17:33 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.68]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0i7v-0002Nj-Hv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 21:17:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 25958 invoked from network); 3 May 2009 20:16:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Oxy9c7MFUoWgUuki8eCuKZQepEv/X/v4whbqTdDGpXJd5bAYXfyVKyxriAzxRFEUswd4+pLrat43WTS8iHpndXUqGcr18JHm244H/jS2c1bYpwbi5BLkOEUflsKTaTIi/MeXEiV+5iYG5u71PRn9GGIY0Epa7nCvN5GZjUfUgKw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.27.28 with login) by smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2009 20:16:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0lNxFHQVM1nCLN2GCtfHiHIEM0wk26d2xtURlpcJVjxdcXzZOTzAyNIEanl2soLgjbuUa81glh7ZPfa8ltgWlLLJIjuDvnbUvUMfiHpuBHps.C5jQo6GJp9s2UaU953yx_R7tK0HFB8lwLTQLunmTZ.Q7IxXTbOBx.8Se4R6IhFdoOa.YdvtKcP9ChlZnMSNcUMPTxcp.TeTC.jpV7YDQaiFJbR1lE4Dai7qneoiP6KXFGnzHGcEhFP7V9Foo.kzyjCHQG7krXMcw4v5lUx9.aAeTrfUexA4y_dLr835HyvQ0mJ3JKPaMAF9KVPk.sHGI9HoA4spj4tAHQd1kTVItUQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <008001c9cc2c$084162e0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 21:00:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Chris the following things occur to me to try 1 the 2N3819 is a juction fet not a mosfet (as with Dick original design) so is probably more likely to show changes in input (gate-source) current with temperature. The input current of a mostfet will be negligable. I cant remember what the original device was but if a 40673 for instance try a BF981 which are readily available. 2 At a lower level of probability the permiability of ferrite changes with temperature. I would not that to be anything like so great as problem though. I hope that helps to solve the problem. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Osborn" To: "LF Group" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed LF, I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook), modified for use on the 500 kHz band. I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering available components, the differences being: a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published varicaps. b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the published LW coil. I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet the field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and can vary up to 30 %. I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've spent hours trying to correct it. 73 Chris G3XIZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME073-9c94a01f7f1258; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:50:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME075-9c94a01f7f1258; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:49:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1o32-00083Y-Uw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:49:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1o32-00083P-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:49:00 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1o2z-0006mm-UE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:49:00 +0100 X-Trace: 191367914/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgEABOVAUpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKIcVhBPCUweCPYE9BQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,304,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="191367914" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 06 May 2009 21:48:56 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425><20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be><004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:49:00 +0100 Message-ID: <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnOiz5ulBZ8TCKvRWeAKwrHBVCPJQAAMKnw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik, You signal not as strong tonight so far. Gary. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 06 May 2009 21:40 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Gary, Gerhard, right now (20:35 UTC) I can see traces of my signal on the G3YXM =20 grabber and strong signals from Gary. 73, Rik on the Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi Rik & Gerhard, > > When Rik makes his CQ call I will attempt to make a 2 way contact using the > same settings. > > Any reports will be welcome. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 06 May 2009 21:04 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 > minutes. > Same mode as yesterday. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> Hello Rik, >> >> Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. >> Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY test >> transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward > to >> verify a new mode. >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC >> Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) >> >> 73, Rik >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> >>> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one >> more >>> chance for decoding.... >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Hello Gerhard, >>> >>> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>> >>>> >>>> Hello Rik, >>>> >>>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>>> >>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>>> and listen inbetween. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>>> >>>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>>> >>>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer > transmissions. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>> >>>>>> OK Rik, >>>>>> >>>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to >> monitor, >>>> I >>>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>>> >>>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>>> The way I did it: >>>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to > FIR >>>> BPF >>>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>>> >>>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>>> >>>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>>> needs >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got > the >>>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your > spec. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us >> using >>>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better > decode >>>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the >> colors >>>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. > 100Hz >>>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>>>> locator >>>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik > Strobbe >>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC034-b3d4a005b0f297; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Gary, LF, I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz shift and 22Bd baudrate. The way I did it: 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that is the audio frequency you get) 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR BPF 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can do that in the main screen. If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't forget to select reverse mode). I will announce the exact hours later this evening. Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. All reports (or replies) are welcome. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >Hello Gary, > >I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >provide a robust signal. >I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >permits - run some tests tonight. > >73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > >At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>Hi Rik, >> >>You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal needs to >>be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>partial decode. >> >>A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >> >>I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using 85Hz. >> >>Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>judging by the strength of your signal. >> >>73 >> >>Gary - G4WGT. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >> >>Hello Gary, >> >>call the is almost right, locator completely. >>But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>the last 2 minutes or so. >>I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>So any advice is welcome. >>I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>and options. >>I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>bandwidth. >> >>73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> >>Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >> > Hi Rik, >> > >> > This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & locator >> > :- >> > >> > RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >> > >> > 73 >> > >> > Gary - G4WGT. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> > Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > Subject: LF: rtty test >> > >> > dear all, >> > >> > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC >> > Reports and/or reply welcome. >> > >> > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> > >> > >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC061-b464a08a6da2b5; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:29:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC102-b464a08a6da2b5; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:29:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dzt-0007dI-OU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:29:21 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dzt-0007d9-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:29:21 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3dzq-0006x3-WD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:29:21 +0100 thread-index: AcnSh9w7gpkvIWpkQb+TQ+kh8LMBRA== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:28:49 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> <6D1C191EA94A411EBE76070137DF884E@AGB> <70D21345D07D4133A2ADFD6BD3CB3CC3@radiorummet> <6DFB90B9503543FE82910DFB79E4DB97@AGB> In-Reply-To: <6DFB90B9503543FE82910DFB79E4DB97@AGB> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 00:28:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01C9D298.9E0E9EB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C9D298.9E0E9EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, you are wellcome ;-) Understand abt your untuned antenna, i think it would be hard to copy me on=20= a tuned antenna when all the noise and static this evening. Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Tnx Gus for the qsl card ... very good hihi=20 Ae no , not tuned, just running the 38 ft vertical, lower end 6 ft abo= ve ground insulated , end fed to the ft897-d via about 90 feet of rg213 coax , th= e ft897 seems to work quite well on 500=20 lot of static but copy is fine at this location=20 73 - Graham .=20 From: Gus=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:57 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Graham, FB report, thank's info! Are your antenna tuned to qrg ? Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:51 PM Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Gus, Good signal , 5/9 & 599 , just on the 38 ft vertical and the ft897-d =20= no atu=20 73 Graham G0NBD IO83LK From: Gus=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/= 09 07:02:00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09= 07:02:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C9D298.9E0E9EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham,

you are wellcome ;-)

Understand abt your untuned antenna, i think= it=20 would be hard to copy me on a tuned antenna when all the noise and static th= is=20 evening.

Gus

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Graham

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:17=20 AM

Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon

Tnx Gus for the qsl card ... very g= ood hihi=20

Ae   no , not tuned, just = running=20 the 38 ft vertical, lower end 6 ft above ground

insulated , end fed to the ft897-d via about 90 feet of rg21= 3 coax=20 , the ft897

seems to work quite well on 5= 00=20

lot of static but copy is fin= e at=20 this location

73 - Graham .

From: Gus

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:57 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon

Graham,

FB report, thank's=20 info!

Are your antenna tuned to qrg=20 ?

Gus

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Graham

To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org=20

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:51=20 PM

Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon

Gus,

Good signal , 5/9 & 599  = , just=20 on the 38 ft vertical and the ft897-d no atu

73 Graham

G0NBD

IO83LK

From: Gus

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,= 5 kHz=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a=20= CW id=20 include....

Reports are=20 wellcome.

73 de Gus SM6BHZ

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------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C9D298.9E0E9EB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5b74a1324e0384; Tue, 19 May 2009 17:30:18 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG038-5b74a1324e0384; Tue, 19 May 2009 17:30:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6WsI-0006at-Pa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 22:29:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6WsI-0006ak-AB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 22:29:26 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6WsG-0004wa-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 22:29:25 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDD551C004 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65F2F3863 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id AC2C75CBE; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:29:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 251.199-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (251.199-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [217.136.199.251]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:29:05 +0200 Message-ID: <20090519232905.l4n0cl7o5vk0oogs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 23:29:05 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 217.136.199.251 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, a simple series L-C notch works best when - Q is high =3D you need a good coil (capacitor Q shouldn't be the problem) - the output "sees" a high impedance (FET buffer) - the source impedance is high compared to the loss resistance of the =20 coil (eventualy put a R of a few 100 Ohm in serie with the antenna) But it will be a hard job to get a decent attenuation at 518 while =20 passing 501-506 without too much losses. An alternative would be a xtal filter as a passband filter for 501-506. If you can find a number of 500kHz xtals and "polish" them up some kHz. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi LF, > > > > You may have seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at abou= t > 506KHz. The original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this > grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz. > > > > I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel > filter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly d= ue > to the bandwidth of the filter?? > > > > Is there some simple narrow notch filter which I could use to remove the > offending signal. > > > > 73, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db09.mx.aol.com (rly-db09.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.84]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB022-ae64a17fd60c1; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:43:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB094-ae64a17fd60c1; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:42:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7rUO-0003rD-LC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:42:16 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7rUO-0003r4-6U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:42:16 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7rUM-0005Me-JF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:42:16 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3534.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3098D1C00086; Sat, 23 May 2009 15:42:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.56.40]) by mwinf3534.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id D77521C00085; Sat, 23 May 2009 15:42:08 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090523134208882.D77521C00085@mwinf3534.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: Cc: "John Hudson" References: <003601c9daf5$0351b960$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A17C742.2000603@btconnect.com> <4A17DA30.2020602@btconnect.com> <4A17DCB8.4070302@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 14:42:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: GW4HXO and some one ealse ? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 GW4HXO round 501.5 Speaker level in io83lk Second station calling cq ? may be cwi ?but very low i also have a huge signal on 504 at the moment and the 897bis not quite the ra1778 38 ft vert , no atu , ft897-d , usb 501 khz From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC021-b3f4a1a6f24201; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:13:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC093-b3f4a1a6f24201; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:12:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8X9v-0003uL-NP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:11:55 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8X9v-0003uC-6q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:11:55 +0100 Received: from mhost01h.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.77.238]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8X9t-0003UK-CB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:11:55 +0100 Received: from APOLLO2.ds.leeds.ac.uk (apollo2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.5.5]) by mhost01h.leeds.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PACvHR027721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:12:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([fe80::39ce:23e:d0b5:7e24]) by APOLLO2.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.5.5]) with mapi; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:11:45 +0100 From: Chris Trayner To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:11:44 +0100 Thread-Topic: Re: Modelling aerials Thread-Index: AcnczD8R1vgSpxTSRiOLxSCR2wAtZAAUlTWy Message-ID: <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11CEAA58819@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk> References: <4A199D1F.7070201@btconnect.com>,<007a01c9dccb$b3021620$0900a8c0@AM> In-Reply-To: <007a01c9dccb$b3021620$0900a8c0@AM> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: Modelling aerials Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Andy and Richard, > I can imagine that modelling ground strata of a rocky hill top will be almost impossible.=20 Our cave radio experience certainly supports that. The geological maps will=20= give you the underlying rock type, but overlaying it you often have an unkno= wn depth of soil.=20 The next problem is that you need the conductivities of these. For the rock,= the map will give the specific type of (e.g.) sandstone, but the reference=20= works on conductivity will probably just list "sandstone" and give conductiv= ities ranging over several orders of magnitude.* The final cause to reach for the bottle is when you realise that the conduct= ivities of the soil, and of the rock unless it's impermiable to water, will=20= depend on how saturated they are. This will depend on the recent rainfall hi= story. If you want to try modelling that I'll come back in a few years and r= ead your doctoral thesis (or put flowers on your grave) ... Some of us in the cave radio community have in fact speculated that it might= be more profitable to turn this round and make the sort of electrical measu= rements that Alan alluded to to find out the electrical properties of the ro= ck. * If anyone does know of reference works that give the conductivities for ma= ny specific rock types (e.g. Great Scar Limestone as against just limestone)= , I'd be very grateful to be told. 73, Chris G4OKW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD054-9164a0f48aa65; Sat, 16 May 2009 19:14:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD076-9164a0f48aa65; Sat, 16 May 2009 19:13:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5T2o-0003ZO-Dp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 00:11:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5T2o-0003ZF-0g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 00:11:54 +0100 Received: from mx12.go2.pl ([193.17.41.142] helo=poczta.o2.pl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5T2k-0004oa-R5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 00:11:53 +0100 Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx12 [127.0.0.1]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBE910400C for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 01:11:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bxi (unknown [193.189.116.61]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 01:11:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001a01c9d67b$9f6eccd0$6551e00a@bxi> From: "Marcin" To: References: <007101c9d64b$b954bf40$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <008301c9d656$23bb9fc0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 01:11:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9D68C.6196D450" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9D68C.6196D450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeas I copy your QSO with OE5ODL. OE5ODL copy normal CW 57 !!! Mayby anather time Mal? Very TNX LF test! -- Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: LF: Re: 137.7=20 I just finished a nice solid QSO with OE5ODL on 137.7 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: LF: 137.7=20 Now looking for acty on 137.7 Khz.Nil so far mal/g3kev ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2117 - Release Date: 05/15/= 09 17:55:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9D68C.6196D450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeas I copy your QSO with OE5ODL. OE5ODL co= py=20 normal CW 57 !!!

Mayby anather time Mal?

Very TNX LF test!

--
Vy 73!
Marcin SQ2BXI

----- Original Message -----

mal= =20 hamilton

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:43=20 PM

Subject: LF: Re: 137.7

I just finished a nice solid QSO with OE5= ODL on=20 137.7

mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 m= al=20 hamilton

To: rsgb=

Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:28= =20 PM

Subject: LF: 137.7

Now looking for acty on 137.7 Khz.Nil s= o=20 far

mal/g3kev

No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9D68C.6196D450-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB062-ad249fde10b112; Sun, 03 May 2009 14:23:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB068-ad249fde10b112; Sun, 03 May 2009 14:23:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0gKJ-0003zo-Cx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 19:22:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0gKI-0003zf-Qx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 19:22:10 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.214]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0gKG-00077s-AS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 19:22:10 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W51 ([64.4.56.151]) by bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 3 May 2009 11:21:38 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:21:38 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2009 18:21:38.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[0008D820:01C9CC1C] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_82a406b0-f150-4b34-bd1d-39fe8e6a2cef_" Subject: LF: RA3YO X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_82a406b0-f150-4b34-bd1d-39fe8e6a2cef_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cb42ffc5-b3dc-4ae9-8060-840f7e49e841_" --_cb42ffc5-b3dc-4ae9-8060-840f7e49e841_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! I saw DFCW60 signal from RA3YO. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS _________________________________________________________________ Pou=BE=EDv=E1te Messenger? Pak tak=E9 pou=BE=EDv=E1te Windows Live. Chcete v= =ECd=ECt v=EDc?=20 http://www.microsoft.com/cze/windows/windowslive/=3D --_cb42ffc5-b3dc-4ae9-8060-840f7e49e841_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
I saw DFCW60 signal from RA3YO.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <20090506225829.1vrsvh9ozjwcwog8@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnOje0UjfUyTI27TYOi0uUDPPUOAwAAeedg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, Gary strong QRM and QSB this evening. I only decoded a view fragments.... CQHCQ CQ O WUT OR7T OR7T Thanks for the test transmission! =20 73 de Gerhard =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2009 22:58 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test I noticed. Last night I could see it on all 3 UK grabbers, tonight only faint =20 traces on at YXM 73, Rik Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Rik, > > You signal not as strong tonight so far. > > Gary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 06 May 2009 21:40 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Gary, Gerhard, > > right now (20:35 UTC) I can see traces of my signal on the G3YXM > grabber and strong signals from Gary. > > 73, Rik > > on the > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > >> Hi Rik & Gerhard, >> >> When Rik makes his CQ call I will attempt to make a 2 way contact using > the >> same settings. >> >> Any reports will be welcome. >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> Sent: 06 May 2009 21:04 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 >> minutes. >> Same mode as yesterday. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. >>> Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY > test >>> transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward >> to >>> verify a new mode. >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Hello Gerhard, >>> >>> I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC >>> Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) >>> >>> 73, Rik >>> >>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Rik, >>>> >>>> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one >>> more >>>> chance for decoding.... >>>> >>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Hello Gerhard, >>>> >>>> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello Rik, >>>>> >>>>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>>>> >>>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>>>> >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>>>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>>>> and listen inbetween. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>>>> >>>>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer >> transmissions. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>> >>>>>>> OK Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to >>> monitor, >>>>> I >>>>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>>>> The way I did it: >>>>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to >> FIR >>>>> BPF >>>>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click > "OK" >>>>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>>>> needs >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got >> the >>>>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your >> spec. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us >>> using >>>>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better >> decode >>>>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik > Strobbe >>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the >>> colors >>>>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. >> 100Hz >>>>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>>>>> locator >>>>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik >> Strobbe >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 > at >>>>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-4bb49ff5ed8fc; 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boundary="0-1728732408-1241472700=:43044" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m240.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1728732408-1241472700=:43044 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No Graham, I can swap a flat battery with a new one and the output hardly moves. Yes the oscillator and RF stages are regulated and holding constant. The problem's before the mixer. As advised, I disconnected the RF stage and injected a signal into the mixer and it gives a constant output even with a blow heater playing on the=20= insides. 73 Chris XIZ ________________________________ From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, 4 May, 2009 21:31:37 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Chris =20 Its not the battery is it ... assume=20 the supply voltage / regulated voltage is holding =20 constant ? =20 G ..=20 =20 From: Chris Osborn=20 Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:23 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Thanks again Dave and Alan, I've spent a few more hours on the F/S=20 meter today and still have not found the problem. I can blow with a drinking=20 straw on any component and=20 there's very little output change yet with time there's a slow drift with=20 temperature - the output goes up with increased temperature. I thought=20 I'd found the problem as by squeezing the ferrite rod 's screening tube I=20 could get a fair change in the output (about 10 %). The tube's metal is not=20 aluminium but I guess an aluminium alloy. In any case I changed it for a=20 proper aluminium tube - no difference ! >From the shack's temperature=20 of 23 degrees and taking the F/S meter outside to an ambient=20 13=20 degrees the meter's output changed from 0.48 volts to 0.35 volts=20 !! I have run out of ideas now and am thinking maybe it's even the=20 permeability of the die cast box that's changing or maybe the perspex end=20 caps of the ferrite rod. . . . I'm getting desperate ! 73 Chris=20 G3XIZ ________________________________ From: Dave Pick=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, 4 May, 2009=20 16:10:26 Subject: Re: LF: Field=20 Strength Meter - advice needed Chris Have you tried a can=20 of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies? Is it the ferrite aer= ial=20 or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain then a little negative=20 feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-decoupled source=20 resistor. Dave 'YXM 2009/5/3 Chris Osborn LF, I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook)= , modified for use on the 500 kHz band. I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering availab= le components, the differences being: a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published varicaps= . b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the publis= hed LW coil. I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet= the=20 field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and=20= can vary up to 30 %. I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've spen= t hours trying to correct it. 73 Chris G3XIZ --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK ________________________________ =20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.17/2095 - Release=20 Date: 05/04/09 06:00:00 =20 --0-1728732408-1241472700=:43044 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No Graham,

I can swap a flat battery with a new one a= nd the output hardly moves.
Yes the oscillator and RF stages are regulate= d and holding constant.

The problem's before the mixer.
As advised= , I disconnected the RF stage and injected a signal into the
mixer=20= and it gives a constant output even with a blow heater playing on the inside= s.

73 Chris XIZ

From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 4 May, 2009 21:31:37
= Subject: Re: LF: Field Strengt= h Meter - advice needed

=20
Chris

Its not the battery is it ... ass= ume=20 the supply voltage / regulated voltage is holding =20 constant ?

G ..

From: Chris Osborn

Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:23 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

Thanks again Dave and Alan,

I've spent a few more hours on the F= /S=20 meter today and still have not found the problem.
I can blow with a drink= ing=20 straw on any component an= d=20 there's very little
output change yet with time there's a slow drift with= =20 temperature - the output goes up
with increased temperature.

I tho= ught=20 I'd found the problem as by squeezing the ferrite rod 's screening tube
I= =20 could get a fair change in the output (about 10 %).
The tube's metal is n= ot=20 aluminium but I guess an aluminium alloy.
In any case I changed it for a=20 proper aluminium tube - no difference !

From the shack's temperature=20 of 23 degrees and taking the F/S meter outside to an ambient
13=20 degrees the meter's output changed from 0.48 volts to 0.35 volts=20 !!

I have run out of ideas now and am thinking maybe it's even the=20 permeability of the die cast box
that's changing or maybe the perspex end= =20 caps of the ferrite rod. . . . I'm getting desperate !

73 Chris=20 G3XIZ

From: Dave Pick=20 <daveyxm@googlemail.com>
To:<= /span>=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent:<= /span> Monday, 4 May, 2009=20 16:10:26
Subject: Re: LF= : Field=20 Strength Meter - advice needed

Chris

Have you tried a c= an=20 of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies? Is it the ferrite aer= ial=20 or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain then a little negative=20 feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-decoupled source=20 resistor.

Dave 'YXM

2009/5/3 Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>

LF,

I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF=20 Experimenters' Handbook),
modified for use on the 500 kHz band.

= I've=20 followed the published circuit as near as possible considering available=20 components,
the differences being:
a) I have used a small variable=20 capacitor instead of the published varicaps.
b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in= the=20 front end instead of dual gate mosfets.
c) Obviously I now use the MW c= oil=20 of the ferrite rod instead of the published LW coil.

I have made a=20 decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet the
fiel= d=20 strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and can v= ary=20 up to
30 %.

I would be most grateful for any advice on curing th= is=20 problem as I've spent hours trying
to correct it.

73 Chris=20 G3XIZ

--
G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG=20= -=20 www.avg.com
= Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.17/2095 - Release=20 Date: 05/04/09 06:00:00

--0-1728732408-1241472700=:43044-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG062-6074a07228537e; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:53:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG118-6074a07228537e; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:52:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3E8W-0000Y1-JF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:52:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3E8W-0000Xs-5a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:52:32 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.55]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3E8U-00012V-GU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:52:32 +0100 X-Trace: 192872517/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvgEAHa/BkpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTYQWsR0JjVAHgkSBMwU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,324,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="192872517" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 10 May 2009 19:52:28 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:52:28 +0100 Message-ID: <003801c9d1a0$7756a770$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> Thread-Index: AcnRnzNzw0+qtCPjTNe4bDGNEcXZ7AAASb2g X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham, LF, Printing all three modes at the moment, running three instances of Fldigi. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 10 May 2009 19:40 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later All, Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM To: Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later > > All > > Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 > > Tx set > > Dial 501.000 > mode usb > > FLDIGI software PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz > > MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz > > ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz > > Power 40 watts per stream > Running loop at 60 seconds repeat > > No rx due to drive below vox/alc level > > Reports welcome > > Graham > > G0NBD / IO83LK > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF044-5324a22716e32f; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:01:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF025-5324a22716e32f; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:00:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAji3-0000cE-Tb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:00:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAji3-0000c5-Bu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:00:15 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAji1-00025G-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:00:15 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31104C808E for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 14:00:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B2E4C801A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 14:00:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A227146.9030006@online.fr> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 14:00:06 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: qso PA0CPM => F1AFJ on 2200m Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010003090109060200030701" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 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KNdXAQwVM1liTOZ.ySR0aoPE1ZPA2LCeLg8W9OVKyhYLj2wej4xy0GFxJwtKjUzgNQ9woOphDbv0y47eRb7jNF.jpkKtCqfyQGBvDTx.KiGnEsMWGJpfGQz5z4i8vjkhR9dGLuB0GDRIFIDbXc0L7mW09Dd_JebxcLyu99pJp84dcg9NcYw2Xa0jkgCFe6Y191J.FM8Nw2sEW1V8d4ySmuXP1alPMG0UmVUwP7n0baPflg2sgz69kxIHu1mqCnifDOIV7oB3_b24lTIQg8PrM8zRfB.Cdmy3Eg7ojWZLHPEAP6x8LpQMKZie28a4VO1rWRgDqjf_HpLRSMx0fQUolzo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:23:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Chris, LF Group, Looking at the circuit, there are not that many possibilities for varying gain with temperature. The NE/SA 602/612 devices should be quite stable with temperature - the Philips data shows less than 1dB variation over 0 - 70 degrees. But if the oscillator level is marginal, gain might vary more. The 741 output amplifier is working at high gain, and low supply voltage, so might possibly be marginal. This would be worse if it were driven into clipping - unlikely if output V less than 1V RMS or so. The 2N3819 gain might vary quite a lot with temperature, depending on how it is biased, and the particular specimen of 2N3819. The RC low-pass filter might show significant variation with temperature if high-K ceramic capacitors with particularly wild temperature coefficients were used. The ferrite rod antenna is a possibility, especially if the tuning is fixed as shown in the circuit diagram. The Q and temperature coefficient of these can be quite high, so a temperature change could cause it to drift off frequency and change the signal level - with a Q of 200, about 1kHz change in frequency would be sufficient. I would suggest doing a bit of signal tracing - for example, disconnecting the RF stage and injecting a signal directly into the mixer would eliminate the ferrite rod and 2N3819. Another possibility would be to try heating up components individually, e.g. with a fingertip or a soldering iron, to see where large changes occur. Or, with the ferrite rod, try re-peaking the tuning after changing the temperature to see if there has been a shift in the tuning. Hope this is helpful, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Osborn" To: "LF Group" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (rly-mc01.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.85]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC042-d534a01ed8f1d5; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:06:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC013-d534a01ed8f1d5; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:05:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1nM4-0007UT-V1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:04:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1nM4-0007UK-CE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:04:36 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1nM2-0005vX-P2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:04:35 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71697B8043 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:04:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8488231E702 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:04:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 93B2D59B4; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:04:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 69.175-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (69.175-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.240.175.69]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:04:25 +0200 Message-ID: <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:04:25 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> In-Reply-To: <44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.240.175.69 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gerhard, tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 minutes= . Same mode as yesterday. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > Hello Rik, > > Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. > Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY test > transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward t= o > verify a new mode. > > Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC > Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) > > 73, Rik > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> >> >> Hello Rik, >> >> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one > more >> chance for decoding.... >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>> and listen inbetween. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>> >>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>> >>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions= . >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>> >>>>> OK Rik, >>>>> >>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to > monitor, >>> I >>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>> >>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>> The way I did it: >>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FI= R >>> BPF >>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>> >>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>> >>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>> >>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>> needs >>>>> to >>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got th= e >>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec= . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us > using >>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decod= e >>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the > colors >>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100H= z >>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>>> locator >>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobb= e >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD091-9134a0acbb52cf; Wed, 13 May 2009 09:31:51 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD073-9134a0acbb52cf; Wed, 13 May 2009 09:31:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4EWy-0003Ov-8C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 14:29:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4EWx-0003Om-Og for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 14:29:55 +0100 Received: from mail-qy0-f131.google.com ([209.85.221.131]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4EWv-0001dC-Fa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 14:29:55 +0100 Received: by qyk37 with SMTP id 37so1128050qyk.30 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 06:29:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fBR3nGXyY92lU8cLAH/MNCv+UjSB9vsLWw5xgyH8snM=; b=sOIDy0A1lMhaxos0h+kcaWI8rT32eqRfVsuALWO/HExZgAIRujUdxPhyeUtvLbhs29 fVUi+2jNeum43s4oAqD4zXau75+IuXIEU6w/yv/VtHt4MyqzhlcedngrMGTMhzrMjgE8 zvajbdmYfsMPzefB2cC8qPBsqxswjOQSdBbqw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CaHk1J4OhHGGtI552AWny9ehwt2rG2i02VkMEbsqXkQ2ruOFyrZHNP0A9MtDkYsqQz ZZl+szYkXIgjBPhE1JlEc7lK3xTZ+k2LhgJv2km4Sk144ZlDL+hv2WdaIGXMlIt/1g1N PNsgyA5hGox3N12sQRZmecYgOO6SRQD1E9Kx8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.74.16 with SMTP id s16mr1164246qaj.320.1242221385830; Wed, 13 May 2009 06:29:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:29:45 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905130629q408f0128yfe5356c77bbe084e@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d237.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, Gerhard, This is EXACTLY the dds that I used and observed considerable temperature drift when operating QRSS 60 on 137 kHz. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Beckmann, Gerhard wrote: > Hello Graham, > > > > the DDS-Oscillator under this link may partial meet your requirements =85 > > > > http://www.box73.de/catalog/pdf/FA0407_694-695.pdf?osCsid=3D983aae56f383b > > > > 73 de Gerhard /=A0 DK6NI > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham > Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 23:25 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? > > > > > > Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit , > > better a part completed kit=A0 would be=A0 better ...second hand working > > even better ! > > > > Ideal would be a box with a frequency=A0 display and a key pad to > > enter the=A0 frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device > > > > Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master > > oscillator=A0 for=A0 tx > > > > Any=A0 ideas or=A0 links (any for=A0 sale ?) > > > > Tnx- Graham . 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with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M50NZ-0007il-J6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:35:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M50NZ-0007ic-2h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:35:25 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M50NX-0008O5-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:35:24 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24B651C004 for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97763F3863 for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id E6E335B9F; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 131.38-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (131.38-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.38.131]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:35:14 +0200 Message-ID: <20090515183514.mt168ada0ug4k4c4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:35:14 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.38.131 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Aerial current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Richard, is you antenna matched to 50 Ohm ? If you just bring it to resonance (loading coild adjustment) the =20 antenna impedance can be anything between 10 and 100 Ohm. And some 10m's length of coax can cause some odd impedance =20 transformations, even on 500kHz. As I started on 500 I just tuned the loading coil to bring the antenna =20 to resonance at 502.5kHz. At the antenna feeding point I measured 40 =20 Ohm what comes down to a SWR of 1.25. Fair enough I thought, my PA =20 would handle such an SWR without a problem. But when I fired the PA I =20 got less output current than expected and far more input power than =20 expected, so the PA seemed not so happy. Next I measured the impedance at the TX end of the coax (40m long) and =20 found out that resonance was at 490kHz instead of 502.5kHz. I went back outside to measure the impedance at the antenna feeding =20 point: still 40 Ohm at 502.5kHz resonance. It is common knowledge: if the antenna impedance is different from 50 =20 Ohm then the coax act as an impedance transformer. But I did not =20 expect such significant effect. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Richard Newstead : > After my success in getting more current into the aerial yesterday I > decided to measure the RF current in the link (link coupled ATU) with a > proper RF ammeter. I was somewhat surprised that the current pinned my > 1 Amp RF meter. How can that be? I can think of some possible reasons: > > 1) The meter is wrong (it must be nearly 70 years old) > 2) The impedance is not 50 Ohms which is odd because I assume the TX is > designed to have a 50 Ohm output and I carefully adjusted the link for > maximum power transfer last night). > 3) The transmitter is giving out far more power than expected (seems > unlikely). > > Any ideas? > > Incidentally, am I best to measure current in the link or in the aerail wi= re? > > 73 > > Richard > > PS - beacon on again 501.6kHz. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA051-a644a08a9802ee; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:41:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA044-a644a08a9802ee; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:41:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3eAh-00081Y-Ue for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:40:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3eAh-00081N-Fv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:40:31 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3eAe-0001O7-Ef for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:40:30 +0100 thread-index: AcnSiXfzBpJvxhYITrOSy0P6OspyKg== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:40:21 +0100 Message-ID: <406BFF543DA74618A3CA53F315277917@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 00:40:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9D29A.3A4E0D00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9D29A.3A4E0D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree ! What is the valve of inductor ? Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:33 AM Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Gus/Dave=20 Might be the Q and BW of the rf path causing a little rounding of the audi= o spectrum , need to boost the lf and hf ..or attenuate the mid range ?=20 G .=20 From: Dave G3WCB=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Gus, Your SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of st= atic crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compre= ssion to boost your "talk power". My RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usu= al 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high. I have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to you? 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gus Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09= 07:02:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9D29A.3A4E0D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree ! What is the valve of inductor=20 ?

Gus

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Graham

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:33=20 AM

Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus/Dave

Might be the Q and BW of the rf path caus= ing a=20 little rounding of the audio spectrum , need to boost the lf and hf=20= ..or=20 attenuate the mid range ?

G .

From: Dave G3WCB

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM

To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus,

Your=20 SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of static=20 crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compressi= on=20 to boost your "talk power".

My=20 RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usual=20 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high.

I=20 have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to=20 you?

73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England

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From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 Gus
Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18
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Subject: LF:=20 SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,= 5 kHz=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a=20= CW id=20 include....

Reports are=20 wellcome.

73 de Gus=20 SM6BHZ

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------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9D29A.3A4E0D00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG091-a264a18102bb; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:03:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG078-a264a18102bb; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:03:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7sjm-00041G-MT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 16:02:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7sjm-000417-40 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 16:02:14 +0100 Received: from imo-m12.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.100] helo=imo-m12.mail.aol.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7sjj-0005bh-Ik for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 16:02:13 +0100 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-m12.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a180fe834a; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:02:00 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c7d.4af23aa3 (37535) for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB018-5c444a180fe1161; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:01:58 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MY07 (webmail-my07.sim.aol.com [64.12.108.18]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA012-5c444a180fe1161; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:01:53 -0400 References: <8CBA943F0C92715-A70-10C3@WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com> <003401c9db80$36bea390$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:01:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: <003401c9db80$36bea390$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g0mrf@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42951-STANDARD Received: from 87.80.206.159 by WEBMAIL-MY07.sysops.aol.com (64.12.108.18) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 23 May 2009 11:01:53 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBA9CE8AFE47D8-12C4-2051@WEBMAIL-MY07.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: CQ DX 500k Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBA9CE8B056ED7_12C4_41A7_WEBMAIL-MY07.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_30_40,HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CBA9CE8B056ED7_12C4_41A7_WEBMAIL-MY07.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Mal. Seems like a good idea to stick to your established 7033. However, QSY to 10MHz will not be necessary after all as the WPX contest is next weekend not this one. - My Mistake. 73 David -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 8:26 Subject: LF: Re: CQ DX 500k David That sounds good. I have found 7Mhz good to to the USA evening and night time. I have not tried 10 Mhz but it could be useful to avoid contest acty. Good luck de Mal/g3kev ? ----- Original Message ----- From: g0mrf@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; G1KAW@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:29 PM Subject: LF: CQ DX 500k Hi all. ? Can anyone on the East Coast USA comment of the state of 501 -504kHz for transatlantic reception? ? I have confirmed availability of a large field in East Sussex for this Sunday night?for some portable operation. ? If I have to select a frequency, then I may as well choose a clear one possibly in the mid - upper portion of the band say 503.1 ? One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well established 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. - So may have to go to 10MHz for that, or we do have 400W + 16 ele on 2m at 600 ft ASL which should be?fine for ON / F / PA western DL. Locator will be JO00EW near Dallington East Sussex. Power 0 - 250 Watts, antenna dependent. - Aim +10dBW peak ERP Main purpose of this trip is?the antenna experiment, but it would be nice to make some CW / QRSS3 QSOs too. Site location can be seen here. http://www.vhfdx.net/callbook/gmap.php?Lan=E&Call=G1KAW/P&Loc=JO00EW phone / text? 07958502540.? e-mail g0mrf@aol.com. Internet available on site. Thanks David Click here to get the very best of AOL, including news, sport, gossip, lifestyles updates and email. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.36/2127 - Release Date: 05/21/09 17:51:00 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ----------MB_8CBA9CE8B056ED7_12C4_41A7_WEBMAIL-MY07.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Mal.

Seems like a good idea to stick to your established 7033. However, QSY to 10MHz will not be necessary after all as the WPX contest is next weekend not this one. - My Mistake.

73

David

-----Original Message-----
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 8:26
Subject: LF: Re: CQ DX 500k

David

That sounds good. I have found 7Mhz good to to the USA evening and night time. I have not tried 10 Mhz but it could be useful to avoid contest acty.

Good luck

de Mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

From: g0mrf@aol.com

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; G1KAW@aol.com

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:29 PM

Subject: LF: CQ DX 500k

Hi all.

Can anyone on the East Coast USA comment of the state of 501 -504kHz for transatlantic reception?

I have confirmed availability of a large field in East Sussex for this Sunday night for some portable operation.

If I have to select a frequency, then I may as well choose a clear one possibly in the mid - upper portion of the band say 503.1

One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well established 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. - So may have to go to 10MHz for that, or we do have 400W + 16 ele on 2m at 600 ft ASL which should be fine for ON / F / PA western DL.

Locator will be JO00EW near Dallington East Sussex.
Power 0 - 250 Watts, antenna dependent. - Aim +10dBW peak ERP

Main purpose of this trip is the antenna experiment, but it would be nice to make some CW / QRSS3 QSOs too.

Site location can be seen here.
http://www.vhfdx.net/callbook/gmap.php?Lan=E&Call=G1KAW/P&Loc=JO00EW

phone / text 07958502540. e-mail g0mrf@aol.com. Internet available on site.

Thanks

David

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----------MB_8CBA9CE8B056ED7_12C4_41A7_WEBMAIL-MY07.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD102-8e74a009ea732a; Tue, 05 May 2009 16:16:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD017-8e74a009ea732a; Tue, 05 May 2009 16:16:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1R3T-0002y0-2q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:15:55 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1R3S-0002xr-CE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:15:54 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1R3R-0005yG-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:15:54 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E34751C006 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:15:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D1431E702 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:15:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CCB735D70; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:15:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.65.71.240]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:15:13 +0200 Message-ID: <20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 22:15:13 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.65.71.240 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC =20 and listen inbetween. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Rik Strobbe : > Hello Gary, LF, > > I just had a first transmission. > I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my > signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > >> OK Rik, >> >> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor,=20= I >> normally use TrueTTY. >> >> Thanks for the info. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Gary, LF, >> >> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >> The way I did it: >> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >> is the audio frequency you get) >> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR B= PF >> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >> do that in the main screen. >> >> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >> forget to select reverse mode). >> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >> >> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>> Hello Gary, >>> >>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>> provide a robust signal. >>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>> Hi Rik, >>>> >>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal need= s >> to >>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>> partial decode. >>>> >>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>> >>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using >> 85Hz. >>>> >>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Hello Gary, >>>> >>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>>> and options. >>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>> bandwidth. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>> >>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>> >>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >> locator >>>>> :- >>>>> >>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> dear all, >>>>> >>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >> 21UTC >>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC104-b484a19a129373; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:34:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC104-b484a19a129373; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:34:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JRh-00016s-Ec for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:33:21 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JRg-00016j-VU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:33:21 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8JRf-0008Hv-7s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:33:20 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525C77B8043 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:33:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356F5F3862 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:33:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 53F095AD3; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:33:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 84.36-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (84.36-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.36.84]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:33:07 +0200 Message-ID: <20090524213307.sbrh6ea8x2g4og4s@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:33:07 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <108EF969E1FE4E14821FD0B03287232F@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <108EF969E1FE4E14821FD0B03287232F@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.36.84 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) nil from G0MRF here (until 19:30 UTC) Are they QRV ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting James Moritz : > Dear LF Group, > > Just worked G0MRF at 1705utc. Signal was 549 - apparently they are > still working on the antenna, so might improve yet... Got a good report > from them, so obviously receiving OK. Good luck for the rest of the > operation, David and Garo. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD064-8fe4a17e7fe89; Sat, 23 May 2009 08:12:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD046-8fe4a17e7fe89; Sat, 23 May 2009 08:11:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7q4D-0003Zt-Ut for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:11:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7q4D-0003Zk-JH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:11:09 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7q4B-0004t0-7j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:11:08 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D7051C006 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:10:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C9D31E702 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:10:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id F2A49584D; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:10:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 119.84-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (119.84-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.200.84.119]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:10:58 +0200 Message-ID: <20090523141058.4t71vid4rioc0c8k@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 14:10:58 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A17AE9F.2070000@btconnect.com> <8AB8247AC0EC491BB2748E799A45AC0B@AGB> <4A17D26B.9060605@btconnect.com> <20090523133605.1qbynq53yd20ckgw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <4A17E3E7.9070806@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A17E3E7.9070806@btconnect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.200.84.119 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: M0FMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I will have a look for you. Good Luck Rik Quoting Richard Newstead : > Rik Strobbe wrote: >> Hello Richard, >> >> if you let me know when / on what frequency you are transmitting I >> will try to copy your signal. >> >> > Rik > > I hope to be QRV at 1330z today portable from IO83xd. 200ft inverted L > with 8m vertical section. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc11.mx.aol.com (rly-mc11.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.95]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC071-da44a228fbd2c5; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:10:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC114-da44a228fbd2c5; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:10:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAlin-0001kp-I9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:09:09 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAlin-0001kg-4x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:09:09 +0100 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAlik-0002XN-Qy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:09:09 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KKI00G80HZ1UR@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:09:01 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:08:59 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <6EB1D4FED02B404BB309625DCF1B97A8@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.64,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: PA3CPM F4DTL Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1kkb3t4uIILHTWdZBb6CdA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_1kkb3t4uIILHTWdZBb6CdA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT tu nicolas henny pa3cpm 73s ----- Original Message ----- From: F4DTL@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: LF: PA3CPM F4DTL Many thanx Henny for this second contact with you. Happy to see you next time dear. F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2144 - Release Date: 05/30/09 17:53:00 --Boundary_(ID_1kkb3t4uIILHTWdZBb6CdA) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
tu nicolas

henny pa3cpm

73s

----- Original Message -----

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Subject: LF: PA3CPM F4DTL

Many thanx Henny for this second contact with you.

Happy to see you next time dear.

F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP
http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/

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--Boundary_(ID_1kkb3t4uIILHTWdZBb6CdA)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG093-a194a1e6c7677; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:50:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG063-a194a1e6c7677; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:50:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9dAf-00020u-OD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:49:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9dAf-00020l-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:49:13 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9dAa-00068X-Az for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:49:12 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AisFAEcIHkpOlpzE/2dsb2JhbACCJC2CBIdNBsIugjmBVAU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.156.196]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 11:49:02 +0100 Message-ID: <003201c9df81$e9e4c8f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:47:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: ATU MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C9DF8A.20D439B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C9DF8A.20D439B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 called MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER AIRCRA= FT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with 200 feet trailing wire antenna.= =20 Contains variometer, switches and vac relay.=20 I have a nice specimen at my QTH. Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching. Maybe someone has used one in a B29 G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C9DF8A.20D439B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C9DF8A.20D439B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB014-ce54a05656e82; Sat, 09 May 2009 07:13:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB011-ce54a05656e82; Sat, 09 May 2009 07:13:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2kUC-0001mK-Vs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 12:12:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2kUC-0001mB-KB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 12:12:56 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2kUA-0005P8-Qc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 12:12:56 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao0FAGwBBUpOlKsr/2dsb2JhbACEUMotg34F Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.171.43]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 09 May 2009 12:12:47 +0100 Message-ID: <00a101c9d097$157f4070$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> <4A053B34.6050807@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:09:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard Since u can hr me I should be able to work u if u run reasonable power out. 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:13 AM Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable > Richard Newstead wrote: >> >> Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in >> Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? >> > Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I also play)? > Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 11:43:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME074-9db4a072df427b; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:41:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME097-9db4a072df427b; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:41:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3EtF-0000rx-RL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:40:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3EtF-0000ro-Bs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:40:49 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3EtE-0001Dh-7m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:40:49 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397F67B804E for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:40:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F8A31E703 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:40:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 60C005BF8; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:40:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 37.176-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (37.176-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.176.37]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:40:03 +0200 Message-ID: <20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:40:03 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> In-Reply-To: <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.176.37 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Graham, thanks for the QSO's last night. Under current conditions (lot of QRN and QSB) ThrobX2 seemes a bit better th= an PSK31. MFSK4 wouldn't print last night. The night before it was the same until all the sudden I had a perfect print. Maybe tuning / synchronisation is rather critical for MFSK4. The bandwidth of MFSK4 seems about 150Hz, so i will not use it for transmit. PSK31 and ThrobX2 are well below 100Hz. I will try to decode the signals starting 21:00 UTC. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Graham : > Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream > same text , 60 sec repeat .. > > > PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz =3D 503.20k cent rf > > MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz =3D 503,00k cent rf > > ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz =3D 502.70 k cent rf > > > Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' > lock up time ? > > Graham > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Graham" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM > To: > Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > >> >> All, >> >> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >> >> G .. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Graham" >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >> To: >> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >> >>> >>> All >>> >>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>> >>> Tx set >>> >>> Dial 501.000 >>> mode usb >>> >>> FLDIGI software >> >> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>> >>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>> >>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>> >>> Power 40 watts per stream >>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>> >>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>> >>> Reports welcome >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/= 09 >>> 06:54:00 >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: =20 >> 05/09/09 06:54:00 >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-58a4a092190124; Tue, 12 May 2009 03:13:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF113-58a4a092190124; Tue, 12 May 2009 03:13:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3m9n-0001PW-GG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 08:12:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3m9m-0001PM-SI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 08:12:06 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3m9k-0003us-2O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 08:12:06 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81AD7B8043 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:11:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-199.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.199]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE9B31E702 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:11:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:11:15 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <406BFF543DA74618A3CA53F315277917@radiorummet> References: <406BFF543DA74618A3CA53F315277917@radiorummet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090512071115.2CE9B31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_EXTRA_CLOSE=2.699,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_56159109==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_56159109==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Gus, Dave, Graham, I guess even the Q of the antenna can attenuate the low and/or high tones. In theory with a SSB bandwidth of 2.7kHz and a operating frequency of 505kHz a Q = 180 would cause a 3 dB attenuation at the ends. But from my experience results could even be worse: Although the Q of my antenna is only 50 I notice a significant power reduction if I tune the antenna mid-band (502.5kHz) and QSY to one of the band edges without re-tuning. I assume that the PA is rather "allergic" to a even rather small reactive part of the load. In addition the fading on 500 can indeed be very frequency-selective. During Graham's 3 mode test I could notice different QSB patterns between the 3 signals (that were only some 100 Hz apart). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 00:40 12/05/2009, you wrote: >I agree ! What is the valve of inductor ? > >Gus >----- Original Message ----- >From: Graham >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:33 AM >Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon > >Gus/Dave > >Might be the Q and BW of the rf path causing a little rounding of >the audio spectrum , need to boost the lf and hf ..or attenuate the >mid range ? > >G . > >From: Dave G3WCB >Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon > >Gus, > >Your SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots >of static crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio >processing/compression to boost your "talk power". > >My RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is >my usual 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high. > >I have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to you? > >73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gus >Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18 >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon > >Dear LF group, > >I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. >Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... >Reports are wellcome. > >73 de Gus SM6BHZ > > >---------- > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: >05/10/09 07:02:00 --=====================_56159109==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Gus, Dave, Graham,

I guess even the Q of the antenna can attenuate the low and/or high tones.
In theory with a SSB bandwidth of 2.7kHz and a operating frequency of 505kHz a Q = 180 would cause a 3 dB attenuation at the ends.
But from my experience results could even be worse: Although the Q of my antenna is only 50 I notice a significant power reduction if I tune the antenna mid-band (502.5kHz) and QSY to one of the band edges without re-tuning. I assume that the PA is rather "allergic" to a even rather small reactive part of the load.
In addition the fading on 500 can indeed be very frequency-selective. During Graham's 3 mode test I could notice different QSB patterns between the 3 signals (that were only some 100 Hz apart).

73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T

At 00:40 12/05/2009, you wrote:

I agree ! What is the valve of inductor ?

Gus

----- Original Message -----

From: Graham

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:33 AM

Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus/Dave

Might be the Q and BW of the rf path causing a little rounding of the audio spectrum , need to boost the lf and hf ..or attenuate the mid range ?

G .

From: Dave G3WCB

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus,

Your SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of static crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compression to boost your "talk power".

My RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usual 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high.

I have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to you?

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England

-----Original Message-----

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gus

Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include....

Reports are wellcome.

73 de Gus SM6BHZ

No virus found in this incoming message.

Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 07:02:00

--=====================_56159109==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (rly-ma01.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.44]) by air-ma01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA012-88e4a20365e297; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:24:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA018-88e4a20365e297; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:24:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MA7fw-00069b-M5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:23:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MA7fw-00069S-9y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:23:32 +0100 Received: from mail-fx0-f174.google.com ([209.85.220.174]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MA7ft-0001VE-QH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:23:31 +0100 Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so8837337fxm.4 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:23:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FM6TpLbtSnBNzuGuJrs8a6xJK3gixCcdzdLd+nS2fQo=; b=T6w564DzVgu/BYNCjkwTwimqFYl7S8up62YlDQ7nIZUThQsM725AIZwUI9xGq8twqS EZ8Wgb+DkQvcNPQv/xswc6Qw+CHP0H/s7HjlCEQ6D/CxuaeK47/Z0ZJUxKXprbOVWVwi 0akjQtNeOOp8QdEbPs4UGPuLB3iK8xUmsTy1k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qISIwBcxYv4xBKRbjA0wksOZDg0IslQ2al2ZPOZSnl+SJvHTvFpsUMpAP5IRYqNjbS U89WNuXVwOS0e1BWgQbz9c+aUcdjHYgR2Our0vmRs6SGhYaM/4aDECj73IvVlbcmrxZ+ BXLbPnAYjsDaHY4g0XwHVyq0682dngdOTq+4g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.151.15 with SMTP id p15mr242835hbb.139.1243625003619; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:23:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <002e01c9e08e$d0b12d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <002e01c9e08e$d0b12d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 21:23:23 +0200 Message-ID: From: valerio gabbani To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IK5ZPV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f6288a931809046b12024f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m252.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f6288a931809046b12024f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2009/5/29 mal hamilton > Here 559 but not listening for a CW reply !! > g3kev > > > Hello Mal and the others.... yes, after many time i just try LF again, but in the meantime many thinks changed first of all the trees, now many meters higher than in the past. So i started to test my antenna without receiving; making some measurement it seems quite ok with about 500W of power. Now i can copy beacon transmission of F6AAO, but nothing else. I hope to see/hear someone in the future. '73 IK5ZPV -- Valerio Gabbani --001485f6288a931809046b12024f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2009/5/29 mal hamilton = <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>

Here 559 but not listening for a CW reply !!

g3kev

=A0

Hello Mal and the others....
yes, after many time= i just try LF again, but in the meantime many thinks changed first of all t= he trees, now many meters higher than in the past.
So i started to test my antenna without receiving; making some measurement i= t seems quite ok with about 500W of power.
Now i can copy beacon transmis= sion of F6AAO, but nothing else.
I hope to see/hear someone in the future= .
'73

IK5ZPV

-- Valerio Gabbani
--001485f6288a931809046b12024f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC072-b4a4a21136c122; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:07:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC106-b4a4a21136c122; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:07:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMOr-0008Uf-Ld for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:06:53 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMOr-0008UW-5B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:06:53 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f170.google.com ([209.85.217.170]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAMOp-00084x-AT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:06:53 +0100 Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so8781670gxk.4 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:06:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3AlF4mNaE5hecPNvzzA0mpN9+JgWb6oPorya4tbeMbo=; b=Z1l8fg+nQDLdHtGgbT0fsScazwJk+mKTq+10kqhs91xff9VQxIqzxB0khmlEdUKlwa FlkYFEoNtia58Y15/+REr1P2ZjBduSAcFesSaqiylNSxbVvk5ut6u8e6psiNbWgvi9qb K4MTzMsnWlYF6U/cy2zougwzWTQlyRaEg9o0E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=b1GjIkN50LAa3BCg/L/Kgz2eyjb6jFQ/giHHQml2DsKDnyh6tr4vzsaLSkpJ35leli YpXl3dZ2+ZcHpcG7BIo60cIVPJu4hbUhPlbsYoYvYhZxDkHisuO9GGTg6j3F09V45wZJ eeKCCcJgD1hFaCg9w3X9jsuTzWCi6StzamYlc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.130.6 with SMTP id h6mr7077251ybn.205.1243681602856; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:06:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:06:42 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905300406p54cf1d54o14cbfebabf5f5216@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f0ee426e5d8046b1f30eb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m214.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f0ee426e5d8046b1f30eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanks Dave. I will try suggested companies. Actually looking for Xtal on 8020 to 8030 so unlikely anyone has one ! \Thanks Laurie. 2009/5/30 Dave G3WCB > Laurie, > > McKnight and Hy-Q used to advertise in RadCom. They may still be trading. > Addresses below. > > IQD are also around, but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like us! > > What frequency/style are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector > probably has what you need. > > > *McKnight* *Crystals*...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY > 01703-848961 > ENGLAND > > > > Hy-Q Intrnational (UK) Ltd. (44) 01223-834444 > Fax: (44) 01223-834589. > > > http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/ > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]*On Behalf Of *lawrence mayhead > *Sent:* 30 May 2009 11:42 > *To:* rsgb > *Subject:* LF: Information > > Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? > I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! > Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? > Any ideas thanks > Laurie G3AQC > > --001e680f0ee426e5d8046b1f30eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many thanks Dave. I will try suggested companies.
Actually looking for Xt= al on 8020 to 8030 so unlikely
anyone has one !
\Thanks Laurie.
2009/5/30 Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com&g= t;

Laurie,<= /font>

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McKnight and Hy= -Q used to advertise in RadCom. They may=20 still be trading. Addresses below.

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IQD=20 are also around, but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like=20 us!

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What=20 frequency/style are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector probably has=20= what=20 you need.

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M= cKnight Crystals...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY 01703-848961 ENGLAND
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Hy-Q Intrnational (UK) L= td. (44) 01223-834444 Fax: (44) 01223-834589.

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http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/

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73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Orig= inal Message-----
From:=20 ow= ner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence=20 mayhead
Sent: 30 May 2009 11:42
To:=20 rsgb
Subject: LF: Information

Does anybody=20 manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days?
I have trawled Go= ogle=20 to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!!
Nothing in Radcom. What= 9;s=20 happened to companies like QCC ?
Any ideas thanks
Laurie=20 G3AQC

--001e680f0ee426e5d8046b1f30eb-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB062-aa54a113e5b1dd; Mon, 18 May 2009 06:54:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB013-aa54a113e5b1dd; Mon, 18 May 2009 06:54:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M60TA-0007uB-DN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 11:53:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M60TA-0007u2-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 11:53:20 +0100 Received: from mta21.charter.net ([216.33.127.81]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M60T6-0003kX-Nw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 11:53:19 +0100 Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090518105251.LBJG3344.mta21.charter.net@imp09> for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 06:52:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.189.74.84]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id sysr1b0021p78xe05ysrZd; Mon, 18 May 2009 06:52:51 -0400 Message-ID: <4A113E03.7050608@charter.net> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 06:52:51 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <24A4F797878B46638E6CBE90171EB311@ns94d01ae4d850> <4A07F352.6020105@online.fr> <4A0E6A8D.5000208@online.fr> <4A110CE7.7090908@online.fr> In-Reply-To: <4A110CE7.7090908@online.fr> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: [137kHz] LF T/A WD2XES Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jean-Pierre, Thanks for the report! John, W1TAG/WD2XES Jean-Pierre M�r� (F1AFJ) wrote: > Hello LF , > > Last night good copy of XES ( 01:25 => 02:20 ) > > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2119 - Release Date: 05/17/09 16:58:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-b0b4a1229133d3; Mon, 18 May 2009 23:36:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC027-b0b4a1229133d3; Mon, 18 May 2009 23:35:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6G6I-0003Hs-AY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 04:34:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6G6H-0003Hj-Uu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 04:34:45 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s12.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6G6G-0007IS-6x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 04:34:45 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W8 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s12.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 18 May 2009 20:34:38 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.244.2] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:34:38 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8ACED3BED0484971A82257CCD4C67FF1@JimPC> References: <8ACED3BED0484971A82257CCD4C67FF1@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2009 03:34:38.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCC2FEB0:01C9D832] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cd8cfd2b-fd0f-49dc-9b3b-1b7fc55cc0db_" Subject: LF: Re: JA ops X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_cd8cfd2b-fd0f-49dc-9b3b-1b7fc55cc0db_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiroshi not responding to emails at the moment, but I know he has large amou= nts of noise from SMPSU's - DCF39 there from a quiet location is going to be= the same as here minus a couple of dBs I guess - that is a shorter and gett= ing shorter opening every night and signals quality (not especially level) l= imited by QRN.. =20 If he pops back up on line Ill ask. =20 Cheers Laurence =20 > From: james., >=20 > Do you know if Hiroshi and the JA people have been able to copy DCF 39 et=20 > al? >=20 > >=20 > Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites - f= yi=20 > 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto= rial_WhatsNew1_052009=3D --_cd8cfd2b-fd0f-49dc-9b3b-1b7fc55cc0db_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiroshi not responding to emails at the moment, but I know he has large amou= nts of noise from SMPSU's - DCF39 there from a quiet location= is going to be the same as here minus a couple of dBs I guess - t= hat is a shorter and getting shorter opening every night and signals quality= (not especially level) limited by QRN..

If he pops back up on line Ill ask.

Cheers
Laurence

> From: james.,
>
> Do you know if Hir= oshi and the JA people have been able to copy DCF 39 et
> al?
>=
> >
> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflec= tor and info sites - fyi
> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A
> >
>
>

Hotmail=AE has a new way to see what= 's up with your friends. C= heck it out. =3D --_cd8cfd2b-fd0f-49dc-9b3b-1b7fc55cc0db_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc07.mx.aol.com (rly-mc07.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.91]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC031-d874a2248ff180; Sun, 31 May 2009 05:08:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC077-d874a2248ff180; Sun, 31 May 2009 05:08:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAh17-0007x9-DS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:07:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAh17-0007x0-2v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:07:45 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAh13-0008JC-VH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:07:44 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BB34C80C0 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:07:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AA54C8046 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:07:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A2248D7.10503@online.fr> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:07:35 +0200 From: =?windows-1252?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <380-2200950319014245@M2W030.mail2web.com> In-Reply-To: <380-2200950319014245@M2W030.mail2web.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: F1AFJ 20dB over QRN on 137.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) TNX John 73 f1afj john.rabson@wanadoo.fr a =E9crit : > At 0850z. Argo set to 3sec dots. > > F5VLF > Burgundy > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com =96 Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microso= ft=AE > Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail > > > > > > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA104-a4a49ff9c601b9; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:54:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA012-a4a49ff9c601b9; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:54:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M19r9-0008UM-2F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 02:54:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M19r8-0008UD-Lw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 02:54:02 +0100 Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M19r5-00066R-OD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 02:54:02 +0100 Received: from DR2 ([71.184.212.10]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJ5005NNELGI9K2@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 20:53:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "dave.riley3" To: "Jeffrey Herman" , "600 Meter Research Group" , References: <000301c9bc43$b366cfa0$6401a8c0@radiocomputer> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 21:53:41 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I cannot understand why a ham would use a Marconi loaded vertical or a dipole... Too much work... Yes, the LOOP is always more quiet than a wire terminated in space that picks up electrostatics in the near field just super efficiently... But it is not as quiet as a dummy load, UNLESS you do some phasing and amping with a 2nd or even 3rd 'noise' antenna... Exhibit #1 www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP109.jpg I have no idea why I would ever go back to a conventional wire antenna ( dipoles - verticals ) with lossy loading coils, lossy ground, super high voltages, wires that hang up in the trees, etc... The poorer the ground the better it's performance... This LOOP works DX on every band from 500khz. to 6 Meters... Havn't tried 2M yet... It's the only antenna I need any more... Ref: Bill Ashlock and all the fine work he did... http://wireless.org.uk/loopy.htm Good luck, the DX will be there and you will be a happy looper... Works good on horizontal too, on horizontal signals... NG on 500 etc... 73s from Dave @ WD2XSH/17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Herman" To: "600 Meter Research Group" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: 600MRG> T or F? > KG9OM, in detailing his 160M loop antenna states: > > "Although I'm not convinced, most hams who use loops often claim that a > loop is less susceptible to atmospheric and man-made noise." > > (See: http://www.dxzone.com/cgi-bin/dir/jump2.cgi?ID=7489) > > I believe he's comparing the loop to a dipole here. > > Comments? > > 73, > Jeff KH6O > > > *********** The Primary 600MRG E-mail List Website is: ********** > ******************* http://www.500kc.com/ *********************** > ******* Secondary is: http://www.mines.uidaho.edu/~SHMRG/ ******* > *** Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to this address: **** > ************** majordomo@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu ************** > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-4d64a09b1fc8a; Tue, 12 May 2009 13:30:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE053-4d64a09b1fc8a; Tue, 12 May 2009 13:29:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3vmT-0004ay-Fj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:28:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3vmS-0004ap-Rl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:28:40 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3vmP-0002uz-Q6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:28:40 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFALtOCUpOlLdA/2dsb2JhbACCJC+BfYc+BsFxhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.183.64]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 18:28:26 +0100 Message-ID: <00ce01c9d327$0f3bc390$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A094F88.31094.2E46CD4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <007401c9d2fa$863a6280$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <88d2415e0905120902x24259365o364835d11f09dd01@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:28:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C9D32F.70C96420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C9D32F.70C96420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lawerence=20 No one is disputing downward SLOPE reduces the effective height. We are disc= ussing 500 Khz PORTABLE and the most convenient way to erect a suitable ante= nna with minimum effort and you agree at 500 Khz it will not be a serious di= sadvantage to have such a slope.=20 therefore a single mast and some slope is acceptable. You are AGREEING wiith= me so I am confused by your email !!!!!! The topic is 500 Khz PORTABLE. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable I fully agree with Mike and Andy, any slope downward will reduce the effec= tive height of the antenna, and hence its radiation resistance. This may not be too much of a problem on 500kHz where enough RF can be gen= erated but on 136 not so good and on 73 useless. I have proved this in practice as well as by simulation. So there you are Mal. Laurie G3AQC=20 2009/5/12 Andy Talbot A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to become a=20= loop with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather than a=20= vertical. ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tenth of a wavelen= gth cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered in its entir= ety. Such is obvious even before resorting to modelling. Mike was referrin= g to electrically short antennas where the downward sloping part simply oppo= ses the current flow in the upward path. =20 A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too noticea= ble in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could do more good= than its slope undoes. Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude and tre= ating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as second-class rad= io-ams, you stop and read the exam question. Andy G4JNT wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom 2009/5/12 mal hamilton You are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and espe= cially antennas. I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with the far end= just above ground , and in normal CW mode. Some time ago it was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil former= s, thought an AR88D was a diversity fly catcher. What is coming next? The diversity UMBRELLA!!!! My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 100 ft high and perfor= ms well but for some this might be difficult, therefore use what you can get= on your property and let the far end tilt down if necessary. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end ti= ed to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as f= ar away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Kee= p it simple. mal/g3kev This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards will reduce the effective height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the effective height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far preferable to an inverted-L in a single mast situation because a large amount of capacitance to ground can be achieved without much reduction of effective height. Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Keep well away fro= m wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is power lost. 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Lawerence

No one is disputing downward SLOPE reduces=20= the=20 effective height. We are discussing 500 Khz PORTABLE and the most convenient= way=20 to erect a suitable antenna with minimum effort and you agree at 500 Khz it=20= will=20 not be a serious disadvantage to have such a slope.

therefore a single mast and some slope is=20 acceptable. You are AGREEING wiith me so I am confused by your email !!!!!!=20= The=20 topic is 500 Khz PORTABLE.

G3KEV

----- Original Message -----

lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:02 PM=

Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz=20 Portable

I fully agree with Mike and Andy, any slope downward will=20 reduce the effective height of the antenna, and hence its radiation=20 resistance.
This may not be too much of a problem on 500kHz where enoug= h RF=20 can be generated but on 136 not so good and on 73 useless.
I have= =20 proved this in practice as well as by simulation.
So there you are=20 Mal.
Laurie G3AQC

2009/5/12 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com><= /SPAN>

A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to beco= me a=20 loop with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather tha= n a=20 vertical.   ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tent= h of=20 a wavelength cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered= in=20 its entirety. Such is obvious even before resorting to=20 modelling. Mike was referring to electrically short antennas where= the=20 downward sloping part simply opposes the current flow in the upward=20 path.

A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too=20 noticeable in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could d= o=20 more good than its slope undoes.

Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude=20 and treating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as=20 second-class radio-ams, you stop and read the exam question.

Andy G4JNT
wobbleU cubed=20 .g4jnt.kom

2009/5/12 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@ta= lktalk.net>

You=20 are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and especial= ly=20 antennas.
I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas wit= h=20 the far end just above ground , and in normal CW mode.
Some time ag= o it=20 was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil formers, thought a= n=20 AR88D was a diversity fly catcher.
What is coming next? The=20 diversity UMBRELLA!!!!
My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv= L,=20 100 ft high and performs well but for some this might be difficult,=20 therefore use what you can get on your property and let the far end ti= lt=20 down if necessary.
G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- From:=20 "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
To: <rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May=20 12, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable

<= BR>

You=20 do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna.
The so called=20 horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied
to a bus= h or=20 tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far
away as= =20 possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep=20 it
simple. mal/g3kev

This is quite wrong. A= ny=20 slope downwards will reduce the effective
height of a Marconi. Si= nce=20 ERP is a function of the square of the
effective height this is=20 extremely important. An umbrella is far
preferable to an inverted= -L=20 in a single mast situation because a
large amount of capacitance=20= to=20 ground can be achieved without much
reduction of effective=20 height.

Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and= =20 136kHz), my
advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a= =20 Marconi are
very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Kee= p=20 well away from
wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any=20 voltage leaked is
power lost.

Mike,=20 G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C9D32F.70C96420-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG031-5ef4a049661b5; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:30:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG094-5ef4a049661b5; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:30:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Whc-0006kg-U0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:29:52 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Whc-0006kX-CD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:29:52 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.52]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Wha-0001F8-0A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:29:52 +0100 X-Trace: 195958565/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuIEAGQzBEpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTIMOgQiFU7xdB4N2BQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,319,1238972400"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,145";a="195958565" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 08 May 2009 21:29:48 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:29:48 +0100 Message-ID: <00b101c9d01b$bbd34790$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnQGVoHyKkL9Z5CQ6WSXO8zrAy4CQAAPqsQ X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C9D024.1D97AF90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C9D024.1D97AF90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham, LF, It looks a little over the 100Hz bandwidth, viewing using Fldigi & SpecLab it looks to 120Hz. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 08 May 2009 21:10 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Ok Gary , What do you make the BW ? looks to be just 100 Hz close in ? Tnx - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary - G4WGT" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:59 PM To: Subject: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > > Hi Graham, LF, > > Coming in here no problem. > > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham > Sent: 08 May 2009 20:05 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > > > Narrow , MFSK 4 running 503.000 cent freq > > tx set 502.000 usb / 1000 hz audio cent > > FLDIGI software > > 100 Hz bw ? how wide do you make it ? > > tnx- Graham > > G0NBD > > IO83LK > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2103 - Release Date: 05/07/09 > 18:05:00 > ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C9D024.1D97AF90 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Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Marcin, LF Group, Now (1850utc) QRV on 137.7kHz for the next few hours Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcin" To: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: LF: Re: WPF > Hello! > Is there anyone to sked 136kHz? > Plise about LF sked to saturday (16 may 2009); in the evening; QRSS or CW; > 137,710kHz.. > We have QRV on SP2KDS Club: JO94II ,1W EIRP, longwire antena 30m/110m. > -- > Vy 73! > Marcin SQ2BXI > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD061-b6d4a09e96a399; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:26:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD037-b6d4a09e96a399; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:26:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3zTf-0006X0-10 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:25:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3zTe-0006Wr-Hr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:25:30 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3zTb-0004YS-3X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:25:29 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 121811C00084 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 23:25:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.12.252]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id B32891C00082 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 23:25:21 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090512212521733.B32891C00082@mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:25:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0168_01C9D350.8726C840" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0168_01C9D350.8726C840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit , better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working even better ! Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device=20 Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master=20 oscillator for tx=20 Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) Tnx- Graham .=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0168_01C9D350.8726C840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Looking for a low freque= ncy ,=20 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit ,

better a part completed=20 kit would be better ...second hand working

even better !

Ideal would be a box wit= h a=20 frequency display and a key pad to

enter the frequenc= y ,=20 preferable to a pc addressed device

Couple of volts sine wav= e out ,=20 nothing fancy , simple master

oscillator for&nbs= p; tx=20

Any ideas or = links=20 (any for sale ?)

Tnx- Graham .=20
------=_NextPart_000_0168_01C9D350.8726C840-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG051-5c549fccaa62ea; Sat, 02 May 2009 18:35:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG052-5c549fccaa62ea; Sat, 02 May 2009 18:35:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0Nmr-0007WQ-GU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 23:34:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0Nmr-0007WH-5c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 23:34:25 +0100 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0Nmp-0008NW-Eh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 23:34:25 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-19-222.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.19.222] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1M0Nmj-000FOK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 23:34:17 +0100 Message-ID: <49FCCD91.80809@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 23:47:45 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Big signal RU6LA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Ed, Your signals peaking 22dB above noise from 2050hrs. Will send a picture when I get a screen full Peter, G3LDO ** > * > > * > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG052-5f84a19a8081e3; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:03:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG103-5f84a19a8081e3; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:03:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JuC-0001Uo-IZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:02:48 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JuC-0001Uf-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:02:48 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr06.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.184]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8JuA-0008UL-Ig for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:02:48 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2beaomr06.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id BNW49441; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:02:41 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A19A7E4.4030606@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:02:44 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr06.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0205.4A19A7E1.005A,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Monday activity 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all I will make a capacity hat vertical and try that out on a hill tomorrow (Monday). I will post here before I set off. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-ada4a13b6b01c5; Wed, 20 May 2009 03:52:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB078-ada4a13b6b01c5; Wed, 20 May 2009 03:52:18 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6gZb-0008RD-27 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:50:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6gZa-0008R4-NY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:50:46 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6gZW-0007Rn-Fc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:50:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 55729 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 07:50:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=dGE5uwbSu7wIqzoq39kW6DP5tVHJuZj+RzyyZhgo9uzFqCoFx1r8wyHme20Q+GJRgMMxzStRbNQWP5s42nnWigsNFOIUUnBd3khpZhbuTnsFy3N0m737Jj1Ay8PBZFUReMlIKtzC0sHaGpGQLdl1JwFf0en5kzm91LJC1q7bV34= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 07:50:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wzcWzcQVM1kcH_VdV.AS5R1s.zpxnocudetmTuc9lMwFWTTe7GhoC8Y5qNAzDAKNG8hIMjR84Nl3I6Or.9cM5Gc1rb7XTMZwWFRxCEzjnxTA4fKgJZ8vmsA0DqaCvATs9pOUo3D3dNX9ZAm98IaO3ejcqIlPK92xfFUA6RbIRK0EIgAWK1NS6NPX9PGt2sqmT5trULuHee6lpZI1hneH6Imp X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <1B0A986B3D4145A59DB8C62900192872@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:50:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: SAQ 20/5/09 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, Usual good copy of SAQ here, with an unusually long broadcast regarding JND radio becoming an IEEE Milestone. Tuning up started around 0640utc, broadcasts at 0700, 0730, shut-down at 0747. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB044-ad14a097f492ae; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:53:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB067-ad14a097f492ae; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:53:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3sPL-0003CJ-Fb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 14:52:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3sPK-0003CA-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 14:52:34 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3sPH-000888-Ki for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 14:52:34 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAK4bCUpOlLdA/2dsb2JhbACCJC+BfYc+BsBohAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.183.64]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 14:52:25 +0100 Message-ID: <008e01c9d308$e1c987d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A094F88.31094.2E46CD4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <007401c9d2fa$863a6280$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:52:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01C9D311.4354B760" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C9D311.4354B760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to become a lo= op with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather than a ve= rtical. ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tenth of a wavelengt= h cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered in its entiret= y. Such is obvious even before resorting to modelling. Mike was referring=20= to electrically short antennas where the downward sloping part simply oppose= s the current flow in the upward path. =20 A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too noticeabl= e in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could do more good t= han its slope undoes. Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude and treat= ing all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as second-class radio= -ams, you stop and read the exam question. I QUOTE from emails sent on the reflector by the man himself, but forgot=20= to mention the TOOTHBRUSH INSULATORS. If one is serious about LF/MFantennas and putting out a respectable signal= then perhaps some hectares would be an advantage.=20 Now is the time to buy. G3KEV =20 Andy G4JNT wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom 2009/5/12 mal hamilton You are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and especi= ally antennas. I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with the far end j= ust above ground , and in normal CW mode. Some time ago it was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil formers,= thought an AR88D was a diversity fly catcher. What is coming next? The diversity UMBRELLA!!!! My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 100 ft high and performs= well but for some this might be difficult, therefore use what you can get o= n your property and let the far end tilt down if necessary. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep=20= it simple. mal/g3kev This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards will reduce the effective height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the effective height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far preferable to an inverted-L in a single mast situation because a large amount of capacitance to ground can be achieved without much reduction of effective height. Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Keep well away from wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is power lost. Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/= 09 16:14:00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09= 16:14:00 ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C9D311.4354B760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

Andy Talbot

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:16 PM=

Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz=20 Portable

A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to become= a=20 loop with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather than=20= a=20 vertical.   ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tenth=20= of a=20 wavelength cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered in=20= its=20 entirety. Such is obvious even before resorting to modelling. =20= Mike=20 was referring to electrically short antennas where the downward sloping pa= rt=20 simply opposes the current flow in the upward path.

A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too=20 noticeable in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could do=20= more=20 good than its slope undoes.

Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude=20 and treating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as=20 second-class radio-ams, you stop and read the exam question.

I QUOTE from emails sent on the reflector= by the=20 man himself, but forgot to mention the TOOTHBRUSH=20 INSULATORS.

If one is serious about LF/MFantennas and= putting=20 out a respectable signal then perhaps some hectares would be an=20 advantage.

Now is the time to buy.

G3KEV

Andy G4JNTwobbleU=20 cubed .g4jnt.kom

2009/5/12 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net><= BR>
You=20 are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and especially= =20 antennas.
I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with=20= the=20 far end just above ground , and in normal CW mode.
Some time ago it w= as=20 Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil formers, thought an AR88= D=20 was a diversity fly catcher.
What is coming next? The diversity= =20 UMBRELLA!!!!
My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 100 ft h= igh=20 and performs well but for some this might be difficult, therefore use wh= at=20 you can get on your property and let the far end tilt down if=20 necessary.
G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike=20 Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12,=20 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable

You=20 do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna.
The so called=20 horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied
to a bush=20= or=20 tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far
away as=20 possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep=20 it
simple. mal/g3kev

This is quite wrong. Any= slope=20 downwards will reduce the effective
height of a Marconi. Since ERP=20= is a=20 function of the square of the
effective height this is extremely=20 important. An umbrella is far
preferable to an inverted-L in a sing= le=20 mast situation because a
large amount of capacitance to ground can=20= be=20 achieved without much
reduction of effective height.

Based o= n my=20 experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my
advice is to=20= make=20 very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are
very well insulated= as=20 they carry large voltages. Keep well away from
wet trees. This is n= ot=20 just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is
power lost.

Mike,= =20 G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C9D311.4354B760-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (rly-mc05.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.89]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC011-d764a19836e16b; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:27:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC056-d764a19836e16b; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:27:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8HTE-00006P-0M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:26:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8HTD-00006G-KT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:26:47 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8HTA-0000wc-D1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:26:46 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhoFAAcgGUpZ8+0p/2dsb2JhbACCJiyCAodCBsNNhAsF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.243.237.41]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 18:26:39 +0100 Message-ID: <008801c9dc94$cc1616c0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00a701c9dbd2$2ac18330$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:26:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01C9DC9D.2CFCA1E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C9DC9D.2CFCA1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nothing seen from Poland all nite. Turn the wick up=20 g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: LF: LF Checking 137.7 kcs area for acty g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2129 - Release Date: 05/22/09= 17:56:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C9DC9D.2CFCA1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nothing seen from Poland all=20 nite.

Turn the wick up

g3kev

----- Original Message -----

mal= =20 hamilton

To: rsgb

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:13=20 PM

Subject: LF: LF

Checking 137.7 kcs area for acty
g3kev

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------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C9DC9D.2CFCA1E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC051-d664a21729063; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:53:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC036-d664a21729063; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:53:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MASjJ-0002ob-GS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:52:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MASjI-0002oS-Ua for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:52:24 +0100 Received: from smtp101.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.85.211]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MASjI-0001VC-Gn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:52:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 51803 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 17:52:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=cEyv3T0uA2PT/oehYZzYbS8KqazaeLXpdy/N2+4YxqKimGh30mzGzM2QXvFeN+eGfw4gEk+5h3p2ZJuPW9myHiuW3mqHhEJYHzEswEG8jC21mBgHe9i6eThZK9wp29u4oJiv1hORUhzl3CMnbjAY37wwG/m/nIMMuWd3z5LYIM0= ; Received: from host81-135-89-79.range81-135.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@81.135.89.79 with login) by smtp101.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 10:52:16 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: Jxan71gVM1lWvpmAtrULYq2aLCKLjG8yCRO.beZlE96zaSde1Wv240pa4iovzw0vhgE4BU6K8QGKNATiW4MtpAL.s.auEqkqebgpvCHmFD3BjRie9VzI7iWTVH8QfFV_rXEMDWRSmse8i0IuvPheW7AMTfmzTbzaCOfH17uAefhrriN5dJNtNQEVUx88A0bnso0F7klrKcJCz6BofgO8PxRhqECHooilT1vXX5A8ShNtcTgyX2f_0_tukvBCNf6igv8Z9coavdDL9sMs2jxP_h1LG4f7xny0KEPqXCZlYN8FIpC3uaHo9obd9Xp8JaC6mmOXkPPyj8RfavGhSzu5_f82_zcc2RpalZPAAiU- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <2ABAE8E892AB4A2BA2CE2207F098758C@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:52:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: Information Crystals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9E157.BEE91340" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9E157.BEE91340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Laurie Try Vincent at IQ Electronic Design Tel: 020 83910545, email vincent@jakomi= n.fsnet.co.uk I have had very good results from Vincent in the past. 73 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: LF: Information Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? Any ideas thanks Laurie G3AQC ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9E157.BEE91340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Laurie

Try Vincent at IQ Electronic Design Tel: 02= 0=20 83910545, email vince= nt@jakomin.fsnet.co.uk  =20 I have had very good results from Vincent in the past.

73

Ken    M0KHW

----- Original Message -----

lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:41=20 AM

Subject: LF: Information

Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies thes= e=20 days?
I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to=20 China!!!
Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ?
= Any=20 ideas thanks
Laurie G3AQC
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9E157.BEE91340-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (rly-mg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.109]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG062-a004a10bd4d32f; Sun, 17 May 2009 21:44:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG032-a004a10bd4d32f; Sun, 17 May 2009 21:43:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5rsC-0006YT-Mc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 02:42:36 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5rsC-0006YK-5t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 02:42:36 +0100 Received: from mcgi48.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5rs9-0001QI-T5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 02:42:36 +0100 Received: from mcgi48.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi48.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03B21144D for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 05:42:27 +0400 (MSD) Received: from [81.195.27.131] by mcgi48.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Mon, 18 May 2009 05:42:21 +0400 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 05:42:21 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <894006656.1242610941.162086848.22169@mcgi48.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LF! RN3AGC use a RX3AKT DDS-syntezer. http://rx3akt.narod.ru/dds_akt.html http://rx3akt.narod.ru/dds_vid.html This is russian origin. RX3AKT did't make english version, there is no=20 reason to do it b4 today. Sergey RX3AKT spoken english well, email him: sa_rx3akt@mtu-net.ru Band pass: 0 Hz-150Mhz DDS: AD9952-YSV Controller: ATMEGA8515-16AI Indicator: =CC=D2-16S2H v.3 Voltage: +13,8 V +/- 35% Current: 150 mA Peak amplitude sinus output: 250mV Peak amplitude square pulse: 1.8V Minimal freq pitch: 10Hz (RN3AGC div 13.777 MHz by 100 for 0.01 Hz step) RX RIT: +/- 9,99 KHz 15 Programmable VFO's The IF band pass: +/- 999 999 999 Hz (IF is program via user menu) IF minimal pitch: 1 Hz 5 methods to control. COM port 1200 bod, TTL. Sale a finished construction. * Graham [Tue, 12 May 2009 22:25:17 +0100]: > > Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a=20 kit > , > better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working > even better ! > > Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to > enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device > > Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master > oscillator for tx > > Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) > > Tnx- Graham . -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME061-9c64a2117131ea; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:23:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME072-9c64a2117131ea; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:23:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMdw-0000VC-K4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:22:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMdw-0000V3-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:22:28 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAMdu-0008ES-Ft for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:22:28 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3508.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 07ADD7000082 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:22:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.12.33]) by mwinf3508.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id BE6CA7000081 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:22:16 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090530112216780.BE6CA7000081@mwinf3508.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <821CAE3F348E4BF08B571D1E31C796B2@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:22:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C9E121.44AE6520" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C9E121.44AE6520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Laurie, Unless you need the xtal for a direct replacement .. check out the DDS =20= vfo's the price is close to a special order xtal and can be set to any= frequency,=20 G .. =20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:41 AM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: Information Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? Any ideas thanks Laurie G3AQC ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.45/2141 - Release Date: 05/29/09 0= 6:28:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C9E121.44AE6520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Laurie,

Unless you need the xtal =20= for a=20 direct replacement .. check out the DDS vfo's the pr= ice=20 is close to a special order xtal and can be set to a= ny=20 frequency,

G ..

From: lawrence mayhea= d

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:41 AM

To: rsgb

Subject: LF: Information

Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these=20 days?
I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to=20 China!!!
Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ?
An= y=20 ideas thanks
Laurie G3AQC

No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C9E121.44AE6520-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB101-ab74a0897cf22b; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:25:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB035-ab74a0897cf22b; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:25:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3czf-0006RX-I6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:25:03 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3czf-0006RO-6G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:25:03 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr01.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.179]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3czd-0006X2-Rc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:25:03 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr01.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id DKR93038; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:24:56 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0897AD.4070301@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:25:01 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> In-Reply-To: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr01.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.4A0897A8.0132,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gus wrote: > */Dear LF group,/* > *//* > */I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB./* > */Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include..../* > */Reports are wellcome./* > *//* > */73 de Gus SM6BHZ/* Very high QRN levels here tonight on 500kHz Gus. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF074-96d4a04aaa3182; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:57:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF073-96d4a04aaa3182; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:56:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Y3Q-0007m7-UQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:56:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Y3Q-0007ly-IX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <016101c61d02$12ceca40$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <43CFCE5D.5000504@usa.net> <20060119232216.u1kyilxv57r4scgg@webmail.versatel.de> <43D0258B.2000601@usa.net> <43D027B8.1000300@usa.net> <43E7DF30.2060108@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <43E7DF30.2060108@usa.net> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=0.627,HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_02=0.192,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Mini Whip and local noise Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------000608010004060507030402" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08, HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------000608010004060507030402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alberto di Bene wrote:
I have simulated the mini whip with PSpice, and the results are quite good.
In the schematic below, the V3 source and the 10pF capacitor simulate
the whip itself. Total current from the power supply is abt 50mA, of which
38 flow in the 2N5109 and 12 in the J310.

The Bode plot shows the frequency response of the output referred to
the V3 source signal. The vertical scale are dB. The second Bode plot is
just the LF section expanded.

I have one almost built and in the next days it will find its way toward
a chimney on my roof...

73 Alberto I2PHD

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[172.20.83.116]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG061-a3d4a1fd1f2311; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:16:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG107-a3d4a1fd1f2311; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:15:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MA0z2-0004jP-TX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:14:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MA0z2-0004jG-Bj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:14:48 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MA0yz-0007A4-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:14:47 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CCF7B8046 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:14:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120FDF3862 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:14:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:14:38 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090529121437.120FDF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: modeling a loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear all, confronted with the seasonal rise of the loss resistance of my 500kHz antenna (from 35 Ohm in winter to 80 Ohm in summer) I would eventually consider to try a loop antenna. Dimensions of the loop would be limited to "closing" the existing lazy L-antenna that is 11m high and 22m long. One of the reasons for considering a loop is the fact that the radiation resistance of a loop raises with the 4th power of the frequency (for a Marconi antenna this is only 2nd power). So, comparing 502kHz to 137kHz, in theory the radiation resistance of a vertical improves by a factor of 13 (11dB). For a loop it is a factor of 180 (22.5dB). When I model a 11m high and 22m long lazy-L antenna (using MMANA-GAL) the modeling result seem to agree with theory: 0.027 Ohm at 137kHz and 0.359 Ohm at 502kHz. But when I model a 10.5m high and 22m long loop, 0.5m above ground: - 0.0013 Ohm at 137kHz and 0.033 Ohm at 502kHz, a ratio of only 25 instead of the expected 180 - very different from the theoretical values: 0.00007 Ohm at 137kHz and 0.013 Ohm at 502kHz - modeling in free space at 502kHz confirms the theoretical 0.013 Ohm, but at 137kHz even in free space it is 0.0012 Ohm. If the claim that loop losses are not affected by the ground I would expect that the radiation resistance is not affected either. I guess MMANA-GAL is not suited for modeling very small loops, is there other software that can scope with this ? 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Subject: Re: Fw:Re: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) dave wrote: > > I also heard G3GNR very strongly calling G8BKE at 2140 utc on Tuesday > 5 May, but I don't know his QTH. > > QRZ says Exmouth. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (rly-mb06.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.164]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB083-d0e4a15147225d; Thu, 21 May 2009 04:44:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB062-d0e4a15147225d; Thu, 21 May 2009 04:44:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M73sK-0006df-VY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 09:43:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M73sK-0006dW-Gs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 09:43:40 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M73sH-0006Ul-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 09:43:39 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 May 2009 08:43:32 -0000 Received: from p54854CB0.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.2.2]) [84.133.76.176] by mail.gmx.net (mp060) with SMTP; 21 May 2009 10:43:32 +0200 X-Authenticated: #38158605 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18lQJY1o6AlYD7PG+IkuWqBd1CeIgjzs9eEWxpEM6 x0swhLD2DpyLQd Message-ID: <4A151431.8020909@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:43:29 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.00 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XES and XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) A capture can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm -- 73 Hartmut www.h-wolff.de Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD021-92f4a01e587244; Wed, 06 May 2009 15:31:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD107-92f4a01e587244; Wed, 06 May 2009 15:31:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1moe-0007Ez-SD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 20:30:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1moe-0007Eq-Fu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 20:30:04 +0100 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1mob-0005ll-5W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 20:30:03 +0100 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so166077ywk.64 for ; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:29:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m207.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal, You couldn't be more wrong!!! I have been running a Decca in QRSS 60 for several years now at full power + often overnight and occasionally for days at time with ZERO transmitter failures. The Decca runs cool at 1.4 - 1.5 kW DC input. Perhaps you are not allowing for sufficient air circulation through the heat sinks. My Decca is in a rack with plenty of clearance above and below for the air to circulate. I don't think that it's a good idea to run the Decca sitting on a table as I've seen done in some shack pictures. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > The old decca Jeep 5501 cannot strand LMCW 120, 240 or dfcw for long, 3 or > 10 sec dot or normal cw is about their limit on full power. > I have 2 units (6 modules) but prefer my home brew with robust FETS on 137 > Khz. > I likewise have a h/brew fet pa for 500=A0Khz class E and it is=A0virtuall= y > indestructable when correctly adjusted using a scope. > > G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF042-5394a09d5f7b; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:03:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF032-5394a09d5f7b; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:03:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3yB0-0005lx-CD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:02:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3yB0-0005lo-19 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:02:10 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3yAx-00041K-OA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:02:09 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvoFAFtyCUpOlGsM/2dsb2JhbACCKCuBfYRbgmMGwhyEAgU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.107.12]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 21:02:02 +0100 Message-ID: <011301c9d33c$83feeb70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:02:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332 Subject: LF: LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0110_01C9D344.E59146F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C9D344.E59146F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TX fired up and ready on 137.7 but so far nil observed.=20 G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C9D344.E59146F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
TX fired up and ready on 137.7 but so far n= il=20 observed.

G3KEV

------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C9D344.E59146F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD052-b764a1fa3781bb; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:57:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD048-b764a1fa3781bb; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:57:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9xsp-000499-Lu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:56:11 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9xsp-000490-6W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:56:11 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9xsm-0000gq-FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:56:11 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgoFADtAH0pOkIPp/2dsb2JhbACEWcofgjmBUwU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.131.233]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 09:56:01 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c9e03b$4ab72a60$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003201c9df81$e9e4c8f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905280624k3bd34499he4b67d5af33bae52@mail.gmail.com> <004d01c9dfa8$f0ac6720$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905281140o142123fet2f380a6bee784245@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:56:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332 Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Is there a B17 about? mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF Mal, There is only ONE B-29 that is still considered airworthy (out of nearly 4,000 B-29's built). The one airworthy B-29 "Fifi" is in need of an engine overhaul. http://www.cavanaughflightmuseum.com/B-29_B-24_Press_Release_1-21-08 I have seen the Enola Gay at the Air and Space Museum's Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center at Dulles Airport outside of Washington, D.C. http://collections.nasm.si.edu/code/emuseum.asp?profile=objects&newstyle=single&quicksearch=A19500100000 I have a photo of the Enola Gay signed by Col. Tibbets as well. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:28 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > Interesting info Warren. > All of my old Airforce equipment RAF and USAF is in very good condx.and I > know how to use it. > All I need is a B29 to check it out AIR to GROUND. > Mal/G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF > > >> The BC-306 tuning is a good one too. Inside it is a tapped coil + >> variometer, maximum inductance about 1.2 mH. >> >> http://www.questmasters.us/B-24_Page_3.html >> http://eshop1.chem.buffalo.edu/600-Meter-TX.html >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> WD2XGJ >> WD2XSH/23 >> WE2XEB/2 >> WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 6:47 AM, mal hamilton >> wrote: >>> >>> Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 called MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER >>> AIRCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with 200 feet trailing >>> wire >>> antenna. >>> Contains variometer, switches and vac relay. >>> I have a nice specimen at my QTH. >>> Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching. >>> Maybe someone has used one in a B29 >>> >>> G3KEV >>> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/27/09 > 18:21:00 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/27/09 18:21:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF091-9894a0dd4202b5; Fri, 15 May 2009 16:44:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF107-9894a0dd4202b5; Fri, 15 May 2009 16:44:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M54Fh-0000Wp-LB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 21:43:33 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M54Fh-0000Wg-5b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 21:43:33 +0100 Received: from smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.69]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M54Ff-0004qS-Kf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 21:43:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 13720 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 20:43:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=QAxkvQmvIOme8Fd0nfNuAe3HTImOPUmpnW/TnAfZ5Oa4360nXM+771iNJoS1fv4P6r4WEQ4jH3LxgPGdp8ApB3MPdjEDkRQugC9dixWVm2uN9KMs9rQW0c7P9NYodcP/LE3jw+vVJjABzRryiM3t9jZP1hERA4C5hHZjzBXrI5w= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.107.129 with login) by smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 20:43:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: y5XdA9sVM1k_m.34YA4eVqqeN1ioBGXd9N6_wUqcPKs1b7pZZk25mPQlQ0BLZEObiZoBdCwPE_clvAua9EKCp0NiQiZnhDVOA_PZ1TH2moF6TfpyWH_Z2cZHpjW7iQq.76tp.5DNsdnW6GQsTF_WVj4g3XkmMT38F.Mxb2K2LccEAbfODiIEaEIBH8QPtTtpgjiOiwDYKOTDJV2hL.kAAdueth.rRyGzCsLnEKulLAX4bjajChCVgLY7O6VK3NPVtyLHdzkAaxHEKi.pPoZzcO1pp7_Z6Drqb4XVzmcERULkEFR_8GM- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <1480030A5B654A3A8EE3495DD38FAC45@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 21:43:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: WSPR beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, I intend to run the WSPR beacon again on 502.4kHz "dial frequency", 503.9kHz+/- RF out, from about 2100utc this evening. Any reports will be very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF033-9494a08a436370; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:18:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF027-9494a08a436370; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:18:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dom-0007Mn-CC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dol-0007Me-TN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:51 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3doi-0001DB-S0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:51 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B728E1C00084 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 00:17:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.77.94]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 705821C00081 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 00:17:31 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090511221731460.705821C00081@mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6DFB90B9503543FE82910DFB79E4DB97@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> <6D1C191EA94A411EBE76070137DF884E@AGB> <70D21345D07D4133A2ADFD6BD3CB3CC3@radiorummet> In-Reply-To: <70D21345D07D4133A2ADFD6BD3CB3CC3@radiorummet> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011E_01C9D28E.A2203AE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_011E_01C9D28E.A2203AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Gus for the qsl card ... very good hihi=20 Ae no , not tuned, just running the 38 ft vertical, lower end 6 ft above= ground insulated , end fed to the ft897-d via about 90 feet of rg213 coax , the=20= ft897 seems to work quite well on 500=20 lot of static but copy is fine at this location=20 73 - Graham .=20 From: Gus=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:57 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Graham, FB report, thank's info! Are your antenna tuned to qrg ? Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:51 PM Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Gus, Good signal , 5/9 & 599 , just on the 38 ft vertical and the ft897-d no= atu=20 73 Graham G0NBD IO83LK From: Gus=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09= 07:02:00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 0= 7:02:00 ------=_NextPart_000_011E_01C9D28E.A2203AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx Gus for the qsl card ... very goo= d hihi=20

Ae   no , not tuned, just r= unning=20 the 38 ft vertical, lower end 6 ft above ground

insulated , end fed to the ft897-d via about 90 feet of rg213 co= ax ,=20 the ft897

seems to work quite well on 500= =20

lot of static but copy is fine=20= at this=20 location

73 - Graham .

From: Gus

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:57 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon

Graham,

FB report, thank's=20 info!

Are your antenna tuned to qrg=20 ?

Gus

----- Original Message -----

Graham

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:51 PM=

Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon

Gus,

Good signal , 5/9 & 599   ,= just on=20 the 38 ft vertical and the ft897-d no atu

73 Graham

G0NBD

IO83LK

From: Gus

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5=20= kHz=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW= id=20 include....

Reports are wellcome.=

73 de Gus SM6BHZ

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.287 / Viru= s=20 Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 07:02:00

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------=_NextPart_000_011E_01C9D28E.A2203AE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de06.mx.aol.com (rly-de06.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.142]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE064-4e24a0203fa29e; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:41:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE065-4e24a0203fa29e; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:41:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1oqb-00007b-GK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:40:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1oqb-00007S-1W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:40:13 +0100 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1oqY-0006TV-Lt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:40:12 +0100 Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.120.26]) by lazir.toya.net.pl (TOYAnet MailServer) with ESMTP id 37BCD8C1C8 for ; 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF Group, a new release of wspr software ( v1.12) is available to download from wsjt home pages now you can type in the LF/MF frequencies without problems which were present in the 1.11 version 73 de peter, sq7mpj qth: lodz /jo91rs/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db09.mx.aol.com (rly-db09.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.84]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB073-ae44a1c4f94375; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:23:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB092-ae44a1c4f94375; 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Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2009 20:22:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SS235H8VM1miFD0Iw67gpvhoKTndumrIjFxvQ8dAF2p1eT8xO_NARwY2izeGgtig8ktP6kfU4dqcSa7mF.nNgh1r6HXkhn1dxtTs8UKMJ9irHFVi1wZen5kh7GWwrJl9JVmSJXjsjnV.47kSgFdfL9TtFe95kSjxe4EaSJZZcLlxAP6TEvb4cnjUODdt3cJTUN2FOWGZwZSSIbXo9qghP6eW X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <40A8C7C3E5D74E4B9462C7F7FB696203@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A199D1F.7070201@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A199D1F.7070201@btconnect.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:22:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Modelling aerials Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Richard, LF Group, > I am trying to model various aerial configurations for 500kHz using NEC. I > have set the antenna 0.5m above ground as NEC2 does not like radials on > the ground. I have used "real ground". Has anyone compared the calculated > Source impedances to real-world measurements at 500kHz? The conclusion I came to was that the elevated radials do not model the ground system very realistically. Also, the real antenna resistance can vary a lot with differnet kinds of environment. The disclaimer might go "any resemblance to real figures is purely coincidental"! NEC is a good way of working out the antenna capacitance and radiation resistance, though, using lossless wires and "perfect" ground. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG102-9fc4a0941cc1fe; Tue, 12 May 2009 05:30:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG026-9fc4a0941cc1fe; Tue, 12 May 2009 05:30:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3oJ3-00021u-On for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 10:29:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3oJ3-00021l-Cg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 10:29:49 +0100 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3oJ2-0001j0-Li for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 10:29:49 +0100 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090512092931.NHOF25388.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 10:29:31 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.113]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090512092931.TEKL13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 10:29:31 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:29:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A094F88.31094.2E46CD4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com>, <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=Iltcrspv_rvdMazORPQA:9 a=_7RtP6QNr2sxQ_eYtUUA:7 a=wxcR72MS69U4JEhROAw8-MC1-soA:4 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. > The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied > to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far > away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it > simple. mal/g3kev This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards will reduce the effective height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the effective height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far preferable to an inverted-L in a single mast situation because a large amount of capacitance to ground can be achieved without much reduction of effective height. Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Keep well away from wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is power lost. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG043-59f4a2111f939e; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:01:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG014-59f4a2111f939e; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:01:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMIv-0008MB-FE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:00:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMIv-0008M2-4E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:00:45 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAMIr-0005Pd-Su for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:00:44 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 06B647000084 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:00:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (unknown [91.105.24.35]) by mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5EFF37000082 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:00:33 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090530110033389.5EFF37000082@mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <78BbO0DuGRIKFwGe@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:59:58 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: David Pratt References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-M (<7Pb2jGszPc+SWUxWeRDfFt4k1E>) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Information Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) In a recent message, lawrence mayhead wrote ... >Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? >I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! I have always had good service from Quartslab, Laurie. They use to advertise in RadCom but they still have a website at http://www.quartslab.com/ Prices and service is very reasonable and they do serve the individual radio amateur. 73 David -- David G4DMP/G3KEP Leeds, UK ------ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC052-b3d4a20732526d; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:43:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC091-b3d4a20732526d; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:43:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MABim-0006kr-I6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:42:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MABim-0006ki-5z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:42:44 +0100 Received: from mta21.charter.net ([216.33.127.81]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MABij-0002lr-5v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:42:43 +0100 Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.10]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090529234229.ZKYO3344.mta21.charter.net@imp10> for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:42:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.189.74.84]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id xbiU1b00V1p78xe05biUen; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:42:29 -0400 Message-ID: <4A2072E4.40800@charter.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:42:28 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20090529121437.120FDF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <846AFC8AED804851AE6CA1E83B356E9F@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <846AFC8AED804851AE6CA1E83B356E9F@JimPC> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: modeling a loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jim, Here is a little hard data which may be of some use. The antenna still exists in somewhat distorted form due to an ice storm last winter. Conductor height: 23 Meters Horizontal length: 51 Meters Perimeter approx. 147 Meters Conductor: Single 5.7 mm dia. stranded copper, plus plastic insulation. Lower conductor clearance above ground: 3 Meters, average. The ground here is made up of glacial droppings -- lots of rocks and boulders, with gravel and sand. Typical conductivity would be 1 mS/M. RF bridge measured impedances at 137 kHz showed a fairly constant +j213 Ohms reactance over a wide temperature range. Resistance varied from 1.7 Ohms in winter to 2.05 Ohms in summer, representing a temperature range from -4C to 23C. The impedances at 508 kHz were considerably higher, with about +j1100 Ohms reactance year-round, and a winter to summer resistance range of 52 to 62 Ohms. The perimeter of the loop is close to a quarter wave at this frequency, and the feed point is near the center of the baseline, if that's of any help. At 137 kHz, a number of far-field (>5 km) measurements in the pattern maxima showed about 1 watt ERP (not EIRP) for 400 watts into the antenna. No measurements were taken at 500 kHz, and the unfortunate events of last winter would prevent any direct comparison. Hope this might be of some help in the discussion. John, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-5384a170b71383; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:31:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF031-5384a170b71383; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:30:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7bNU-0001RW-Is for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:30:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7bNU-0001RN-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:30:04 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr01.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.119]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7bNM-0000tZ-SX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:30:04 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2bthomr01.btconnect.com with ESMTP id LHV72039; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:29:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A170B41.4090800@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:29:53 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr01.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0201.4A170B3F.00FD,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500kHz update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all I have been making some progress towards 500kHz portable. Tonight I made a 500kHz preamp which has a very lightly coupled preselector. It was quite a challenge getting this resonant with a 50pF trimmer and padding capacitors (and no proper test gear). However, it now works and the S meter is reading for the first time ever on 500kHz. If I can get it all boxed up and it is dry I may have a first foray out portable tomorrow with an inverted L. I have order 200m of 3mm bungee cord and 200m of 3.2 mm nylon braid in preparation for kite ops. That will have to wait until another day. I will post here before I go. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC082-b434a0b3f3a20e; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:44:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC097-b434a0b3f3a20e; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:44:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4MF0-0007nN-Io for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:43:54 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4MF0-0007nE-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:43:54 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4MEy-0000LR-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:43:54 +0100 thread-index: AcnUE9hA11hktx+oSmG4oUcx8bMB1w== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:43:25 +0100 Message-ID: <1582396BAA6345DA9AA170F40E237C30@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:43:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Marco, thanks report and info! 73 de Gus SM6BHZ www.sm6bhz.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scholz, Marco " To: Hello Gus, > your CW is ufb RST 529, SSB weaker RST 41. > Happy to catch your SSB transmission. > > Thanks to Gerhard, DK6NI for informing me directly. > > Good night > Vy73 > Marco > DD7PC > > > ----- Originalnachricht ----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Gesendet: Wed May 13 22:16:26 2009 > Betreff: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB > > > Hello Gus, > > Also solid copy (56) in JN59LN > > Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > ====================== > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2009 23:05 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB > > Rik, > > thank's report. > > 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM > Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB > > >> Gus, >> >> solid 57 signal here tonight >> >> 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T >> >> > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (rly-mg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.109]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG104-a0249ff548c176; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:48:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG034-a0249ff548c176; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:48:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M154Z-00077C-Bc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M154Y-000773-WC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:34 +0100 Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de ([217.72.192.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M154W-0003a9-OX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:34 +0100 Received: from smtp07.web.de (fmsmtp07.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.215]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB101014A509 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:46:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [217.227.80.254] (helo=mo76) by smtp07.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.110 #277) id 1M153w-00025t-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:46:56 +0200 Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:46:55 +0200 From: Michael Oexner X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.12.00) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <629879748.20090504224655@web.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: michael.oexner@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+IueVFEYoxswU6Ny8kKZACyZne2f+F7wW7BQV+ /WkFgnqAuy9ezLbh4MbuLpBRpopeTmnWPdiPQBWrMAPOg2vOKe c0uQKvcdXbIwYqxZ+6+Q== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik & list, > dear all, > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at > 21UTC Reports and/or reply welcome. What would be a suitable program to decode this transmission? Baud rate 45 Bd? -- vy 73 + gd DX, Michael From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME051-9ba49fab6ce2d4; Fri, 01 May 2009 04:46:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME056-9ba49fab6ce2d4; Fri, 01 May 2009 04:46:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LzoMv-000370-81 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 09:45:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LzoMu-00036r-TM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 09:45:16 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s9.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LzoMt-00034N-HA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 09:45:16 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W33 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s9.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 1 May 2009 01:45:09 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [117.12.236.125] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 00:45:09 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <168DE12B719E45A19F8CF003F78B17DB@Silver> References: <168DE12B719E45A19F8CF003F78B17DB@Silver> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2009 08:45:09.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[2239A6C0:01C9CA39] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4953d924-c456-4724-9b29-1822915c5f73_" Subject: RE: LF: CFH on again X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_4953d924-c456-4724-9b29-1822915c5f73_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool a West coast target! Thats been awhile.... =20 Laurence By3A- kl1x rainy China From: markusvester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 07:34:53 +0000 Subject: LF: CFH on again Looks like the Canadians are dusting off their 137 kHz transmitter. =20 73 de Markus, DF6NM =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail=AE: Get e-mail storage that grows with you.=20 http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_S= torage2_042009=3D --_4953d924-c456-4724-9b29-1822915c5f73_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool a West coast target! Thats been awhile....

Laurence
By3A- kl1x rainy China

From: markusvester@aol.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Fri,= 1 May 2009 07:34:53 +0000
Subject: LF: CFH on again

Looks like the Canadians are dusting off th= eir 137 kHz transmitter.

73 de Markus, DF6NM

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Check it out.= =3D --_4953d924-c456-4724-9b29-1822915c5f73_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD033-92f49fe026d3e7; Sun, 03 May 2009 16:45:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD107-92f49fe026d3e7; Sun, 03 May 2009 16:45:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0iYJ-0004Xb-26 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 21:44:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0iYI-0004XS-MD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 21:44:46 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0iYG-0007eG-RO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 21:44:46 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DE97B8047 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:44:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F029131E702 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:44:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6F2FD5CAD; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:44:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 60.181-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (60.181-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.181.60]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 03 May 2009 22:44:35 +0200 Message-ID: <20090503224435.g501r41tl6tcw484@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 22:44:35 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002201c9bc24$6c33fa00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><27CD374833AB46EBA48AF59F6CC2BEF3@DR2><006901c9bc4c$6e72e650$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20090413221651.jucoh8ac9ogg84g0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <3AFA1B7B9D1240C5AD141ECA52E8A9D2@2a2d7ed321c6425> In-Reply-To: <3AFA1B7B9D1240C5AD141ECA52E8A9D2@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.181.60 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: CQ_Test from OR7T Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gerhard, LF, thanks for the report. I just finished a transverter + linear PA and it was one of the first =20 on-air tests. Transverter: 4.5MHz to 500kHz with 4MHz xtal osc + SBL1 mixer + buffer =20 amp 50mW out PA: modified 3-30MHz PA, just changed the input and output transformers. Output is about 100W (1.5A antenna current) Power is about 4dB down on the other (class D) PA, but modifying an =20 existing PA was the fast option. I hope to run some first digital tests (PSK, WSPR, RTTY ...) during =20 the next weeks. Maybe I'll try to build a "big" 500kHz linear PA (> 300W) in summer. Building a 500kHz modified version of the G3YXM linear PA for 160-40m =20 (http://wireless.org.uk/throb.htm) looks tempting, anyone tried this =20 already ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > > Hello Rik, LF > > > > heard your Test_Call (OR7T) on 502,7 KHz in Regular CW-Mode with 559 > > in JN59LN. > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG031-a184a199d40217; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:17:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG062-a184a199d40217; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:17:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JBl-0000yk-5X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:16:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JBk-0000yb-QT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:16:52 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.127]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8JBh-0001ar-DO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:16:51 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2bthomr09.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DJT01238; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:16:44 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A199D1F.7070201@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:16:47 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0208.4A199D1C.016F,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Modelling aerials Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear MFers I am trying to model various aerial configurations for 500kHz using NEC. I have set the antenna 0.5m above ground as NEC2 does not like radials on the ground. I have used "real ground". Has anyone compared the calculated Source impedances to real-world measurements at 500kHz? I am trying to understand the likely range of impedances that I need to match over and hence the ATU types I need to employ and the components needed. Any modelling tips will be welcome. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF051-55a4a07dda1236; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:11:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF065-55a4a07dda1236; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:11:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Qad-0004BG-MD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:10:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Qad-0004B7-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:10:23 +0100 Received: from psmtp13.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.25]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3Qab-0003ox-Jg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:10:23 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp13.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KJH008VF0118Y@psmtp13.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 10:10:13 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:10:16 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <24A4F797878B46638E6CBE90171EB311@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: capture who.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_14cvq+bDkmet+5s8qeZWMg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_14cvq+bDkmet+5s8qeZWMg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_lO0ENvXtg/CD6apnoGN5Ew)" --Boundary_(ID_lO0ENvXtg/CD6apnoGN5Ew) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi,Lf capture who? henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: capture who.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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--Boundary_(ID_14cvq+bDkmet+5s8qeZWMg)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB074-ab64a0c5365307; Thu, 14 May 2009 13:23:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB034-ab64a0c5365307; Thu, 14 May 2009 13:22:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4ed4-000819-2C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:21:58 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4ed3-000810-Gv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:21:57 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.148]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4ecz-00018x-UR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:21:56 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so1090939qwj.16 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XtG/oIZZVQw6euOtbCm3MtfdGmHVmW0LB1TAHUr+iXA=; b=WijfI5vcFHu3N6mm6GSV4kb9OKahpa/BeGipyrgLqe0rMHw3fNAtIjTAswlkQdt7e/ Z42zcmWH4uIo9GoUSxxCuwBS2Lw7tMowqTVpiKwNizVBcNt3oQJdJBrlqAXNw7D4UHfq ecyH3TTiguXW+ql7G3YtcvlcQRuRN/32P0Udw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VGrvMNoCtcWPutKorH+sAQlSL0Ycs54ujOE5mjVJArT0smTwDQEDQ1ZXzX/LgVu1or oM3slSgyBHCqpNRbzbBgGZDRi6ZEUbpp2LgySg01la/7xv8tWHH/+GCP9UM5Z8OCRtFy O1JnIPs1kMyIug3JlcrbKNDeakqA0lb1EG/cA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.60.70 with SMTP id o6mr2960465qah.105.1242321652921; Thu, 14 May 2009 10:20:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905130629q408f0128yfe5356c77bbe084e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:20:52 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905141020q3b06a4baqe8f507e700db399f@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m218.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Graham, I bought a built version from pcs-electronics: http://www.pcs-electronics.com/ It came with a two-page instruction sheet in English. Unfortunately pcs-electronics no longer carrier the dds, I may have still have a copy but I'm not at home now. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Graham wrote: > Warren, > > The only =A0info I can find is in German .. =A0if this is the same device,= =A0did > you =A0have a english =A0handbook ? from the photo. it looks like the on s= creen > display is in english ? slight =A0problem if its not ! > > G .. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:29 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: AW: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? > >> >> Graham, Gerhard, >> >> =A0 This is EXACTLY the dds that I used and observed considerable >> temperature drift when operating QRSS 60 on 137 kHz. >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Beckmann, Gerhard >> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Graham, >>> >>> >>> >>> the DDS-Oscillator under this link may partial meet your requirements=20= =85 >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.box73.de/catalog/pdf/FA0407_694-695.pdf?osCsid=3D983aae56f383= b >>> >>> >>> >>> 73 de Gerhard / =A0DK6NI >>> >>> >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 23:25 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit=20= , >>> >>> better a part completed kit =A0would be =A0better ...second hand working >>> >>> even better ! >>> >>> >>> >>> Ideal would be a box with a frequency =A0display and a key pad to >>> >>> enter the =A0frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device >>> >>> >>> >>> Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master >>> >>> oscillator =A0for =A0tx >>> >>> >>> >>> Any =A0ideas or =A0links (any for =A0sale ?) >>> >>> >>> >>> Tnx- Graham . >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2110 - Release Date: 05/12/0= 9 >> 06:22:00 >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA032-8cf4a1ec5a3b3; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:11:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA101-8cf4a1ec5a3b3; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:11:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9j6n-00039c-6Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:09:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9j6m-00039T-Qt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:09:36 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9j6j-0000v3-87 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:09:35 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYEAM9hHkpOkDuN/2dsb2JhbACCUolXwxmEDQU Received: from unknown (HELO TraceyPC) ([78.144.59.141]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 18:09:27 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <005e01c9dfb1$f6b87920$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <005e01c9dfb1$f6b87920$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:08:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01DC_01C9DFBF.56435290" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_01DC_01C9DFBF.56435290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A quick Google search reveals that it was one of a trio of ATUs used on the=20= B29 etc The Mama Bear was the medium sized one, there was also a Papa and a Baby Bea= r ATU.=20 I'll leave you to guess their respective sizes. Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF B29 MAMA BEAR equipment, how did it get that name? I wonder. mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_01DC_01C9DFBF.56435290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A quick Google search reveals t= hat it=20 was one of a trio of ATUs used on the B29 etc

The Mama Bear was the medium si= zed one,=20 there was also a Papa and a Baby Bear ATU.

I'll leave you to guess their=20 respective sizes.

Tracey G5VU

----- Original Message -----

mal= =20 hamilton

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:32=20 PM

Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF

B29 MAMA BEAR equipment, how did it get that name? I wonder.

mal/g3kev

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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Beckmann, Gerhard wrote: > >Sri, I don't have installed a FM-Hell decoder; > > > Hello Gerhard, LF Group, Rick, ON7YD mentioned about Multipsk software allowing for RX/TX operation upon FM-Hell There is also another software ( which i prefer ) i.e Nino IZ8BLY Hellschreiber program which can be freely downloaded from his page: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/aporcino/Hell/index.htm it is entirely focused on hell modulation therefore being free from other 'bilions' of different digi techniques.... ;) 73 de peter, sq7mpj qth: lodz /jo91rs/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-af14a089bf858; 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Mon, 11 May 2009 23:42:37 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:42:48 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnSffEqQWBsN6jfSDucAcJXaUQ5ugAAuR9Q X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AW: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9D292.31FD1EA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9D292.31FD1EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Gus, Your CW-signal is coming in with 449 this evening in JN59LN; Your SSB-signal is only weak readable now, QRN is vy high.. Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI ================================================== _____ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2009 23:18 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9D292.31FD1EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Gus,

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Your CW-signal=20= is coming in with 449 this evening in JN59LN;

Your SSB-signal= is only weak readable now, QRN is vy high….

Vy 73 de Gerhar= d // DK6NI

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Von: o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 200= 9 23:18
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evenin= g on 505,5 kHz USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there i= s also a CW id include....

Reports are wellcome.

73 de Gus SM6BHZ<= /i>

------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9D292.31FD1EA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG032-5a24a08a7ed13; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:34:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG017-5a24a08a7ed13; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:34:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3e4F-0007pJ-Ke for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:33:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3e4F-0007pA-6N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:33:51 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3e4C-0001Ky-Al for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:33:50 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 720AE1C00086 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 00:33:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.77.94]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 258B71C00085 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 00:33:33 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090511223333153.258B71C00085@mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:33:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0157_01C9D290.DF9928D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0157_01C9D290.DF9928D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gus/Dave=20 Might be the Q and BW of the rf path causing a little rounding of the audio=20= spectrum , need to boost the lf and hf ..or attenuate the mid range ?=20 G .=20 From: Dave G3WCB=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Gus, Your SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of stat= ic crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compress= ion to boost your "talk power". My RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usual= 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high. I have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to you? 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org]On Behalf Of Gus Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 0= 7:02:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0157_01C9D290.DF9928D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gus/Dave

Might be the Q and BW of the rf path causin= g a=20 little rounding of the audio spectrum , need to boost the lf and hf ..= or=20 attenuate the mid range ?

G .

From: Dave G3WCB

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM

To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus,

Your=20 SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of static=20 crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compression= to=20 boost your "talk power".

My RX=20 is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usual=20 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high.

I have=20 saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to=20 you?

73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 Gus
Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF:=20 SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5=20= kHz=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW= id=20 include....

Reports are wellcome.=

73 de Gus=20 SM6BHZ

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release=20 Date: 05/10/09 07:02:00
------=_NextPart_000_0157_01C9D290.DF9928D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG061-a0f4a006bf3ea; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:40:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG051-a0f4a006bf3ea; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:40:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1NgM-0001rY-G3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:39:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1NgM-0001rP-5Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:39:50 +0100 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1NgJ-0007gW-1E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:39:49 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-19-222.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.19.222] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1M1NgE-000O1S-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:39:42 +0100 Message-ID: <4A006EFC.3010401@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 17:53:16 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88d2415e0905041311m2b3902d4m19e5460371c5ff88@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905041311m2b3902d4m19e5460371c5ff88@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Racal 5501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Laurie, I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the fault is clear - it just has blown power FETs. You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the two faulty ones I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the moment Regards Peter, G3LDO > > Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments > that I could buy? > One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to > about a third, > so far can't find the fault. > 73 Laurie G3AQC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB043-aac4a1566781bd; Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB022-aac4a1566781bd; Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M79LX-0007Q0-7t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:34:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M79LW-0007Pr-SZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:34:10 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.144]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M79LU-0008KE-Fi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:34:10 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so679153qwj.16 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:34:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yJ6TtQtk3KXEurys9VjHPmkPzMAMI8HXLcCw62Pyo0M=; b=jsY/f7687JeCVWTRCSxfXnHTOszIyQ6jE72n3itpIrXBOxHUgrBxpQRVPOXdl+E+ZZ zkfar2Eb/4uBFpr8wq5GeO4JM9jjSDUWSyPuIut1U1IvG2CvjCD0iVSMoEqLe4voTgmW r3z02SalwJzATZGdvQZdYBuIBRAggRoxsxkRM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PJGru/1Ttbn4027HRLXhfKY8K1LyQ2cheS73AvHWMoI+t2Teh49rC33maDeVxaO1m3 3f/NLGqpRfUJ4GrUSA78Z7kHCcIMFN1XD08T+1BR0myKV2hHUD5/2AXubTzmJ4aLWOGM Uq/BK/9vFeAhJa8UduzeEAmSPTAGSTD3XWSZM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.29.10 with SMTP id o10mr2657496qac.69.1242916448829; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:34:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:08 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905210734q70a7682cr7882ea129a2b9731@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m275.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Lubos, Thanks for the capture! On 5/21/09, Lubos OK2BVG wrote: > > Hello Warren, LF! > I saw XGJ signal this morning before sunrise in OK. FB! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > _________________________________________________________________ > Pou=BE=EDv=E1te Messenger? Pak tak=E9 pou=BE=EDv=E1te Windows Live. Chcete= v=ECd=ECt v=EDc? > http://www.microsoft.com/cze/windows/windowslive/ --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC061-b2b4a11c03616e; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:08:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC067-b2b4a11c03616e; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:08:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M697l-0001dq-7d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:07:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M697k-0001dh-Sv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:07:48 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M697i-00050I-Bu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:07:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 18934 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 20:07:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=XGXeKzgSyfTxUMzuerBe0g5sAQG9RXrcWOI8haMVj7q4hkpPYI63UQoEVDajyllEwF+cPQyWAC+vZsfpiCfWLDKIiq7WcPVavp2eh1g6qShcRFopkR8YdnXYtHXLN5qx/jG+Dtuqex8m+vgzIS3miLPrf7VLvDZXqQvvTIW50Bo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 20:07:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mkIJQLwVM1l200QZUHJqglkWjdhVxSUhp7gJMkN1eDIniuW83K6hTMOtku00NPfmPE_xtKoekDhv6vcXNpCQudwbFMHbPZT3QLSgLFwUgFI6Cz.bM4TEOwieewNk8x351B2uP0C6U389KG_9CpuAQ8Sfuf_bfppKa7Em8EseIjf7aFb0jSXM5osfgZR3SD75b7ynsG2OCWkfFNEZ3ghhZRlm5uMSv0O_swZhI5HlPaLS3NAfbKWjB.kmmPNKsvd_S_TbBXVcma4PO1JCT0irLFOpUsMk6coGde6Fyel4wW6tGFUEh900gLkpn79nOR561IL3fTFhIok4fxdtryVVl3XJYMlKYLLMnFLlwWOBCUnrfZ5.wGPhNwz2vArSwsk- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <3FD23EB5A3A246EFAEE824AC74BE6ABC@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:07:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Transverter Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > Any recommended transverter designs for LF? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI Dear Richard, LF Group, You can see what I am using if you go to http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/files and download the file EER_Transverter_v3.pdf. The basic transverter part provides receive and milliwatt-level transmit over 10kHz - 550kHz, and could be used with types of PA other than the EER modulator/class D designs described. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE014-4db4a132dc7370; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:08:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE058-4db4a132dc7370; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:08:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6XSx-0006lS-A8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:07:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6XSw-0006lJ-P0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:07:18 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f171.google.com ([209.85.218.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6XSt-00058g-9D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:07:18 +0100 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so105830bwz.4 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 15:07:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ek2sdLjHysjK74mj3NH39PIKMQ8k9ixKYPUM7Ok/xOM=; b=wcET4CldHrTFPPUu69+8Cx4EKj7galixzqXMEqavea2eRJlQR3o8QD/uwQysCJvQLZ WVS5mWJm0Ho3AwzTd7Ahn8lT+X1zuXDKj95Jg6kjOEjP8yIAArCykVMUuH86JfMblFi/ njsa80EqNhdVsz79e05Ed1t1mwz0ltBLZKpBQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=t23XXi1m8AYFarhMy8ia7raj2cHkv1s8mE+9m+lP9QNLJyQfSOveSha4JLGEe/+B9l eSHhwY7MZeAj7KmfH+2v+RrrmrpINYcD6sjcoEJCXwb5BmPctgHxKIyfrr9t9MQDwSWU M1ANb2ve7xTGxC7UPM/HYphehMPKg1RKV4zOo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.146 with SMTP id i18mr503575bkg.82.1242770828756; Tue, 19 May 2009 15:07:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090519232905.l4n0cl7o5vk0oogs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> <20090519232905.l4n0cl7o5vk0oogs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 23:07:08 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5abdfc9081c046a4b2143 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d275.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636c5abdfc9081c046a4b2143 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ansoft Designer came up with this solution. http://www.g4jnt.com/518kHz_BandStop.gif The component values aren't particulalrly nice, and there is almost certainly a nicer design with transformers to be found, but... Andy G4JNT 2009/5/19 Rik Strobbe > Gary, > > a simple series L-C notch works best when > - Q is high = you need a good coil (capacitor Q shouldn't be the problem) > - the output "sees" a high impedance (FET buffer) > - the source impedance is high compared to the loss resistance of the coil > (eventualy put a R of a few 100 Ohm in serie with the antenna) > But it will be a hard job to get a decent attenuation at 518 while passing > 501-506 without too much losses. > > An alternative would be a xtal filter as a passband filter for 501-506. > If you can find a number of 500kHz xtals and "polish" them up some kHz. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > > Hi LF, >> >> >> >> You may have seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at >> about >> 506KHz. The original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this >> grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz. >> >> >> >> I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel >> filter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly >> due >> to the bandwidth of the filter?? >> >> >> >> Is there some simple narrow notch filter which I could use to remove the >> offending signal. >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> >> >> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. >> >> >> >> >> > > > --001636c5abdfc9081c046a4b2143 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ansoft Designer came up with this solution.=A0

=A0

http://www.g4jnt.c= om/518kHz_BandStop.gif

=A0

The component values=A0aren't=A0particulalrly nice, and there is al= most certainly a nicer design with transformers to be found, but...

Andy =A0G4JNT

2009/5/19 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>= ;

Gary,

a simple series L-C n= otch works best when
- Q is high =3D you need a good coil (capacitor Q sh= ouldn't be the problem)
- the output "sees" a high impedance (FET buffer)
- the source=20= impedance is high compared to the loss resistance of the coil (eventualy put= a R of a few 100 Ohm in serie with the antenna)
But it will be a hard jo= b to get a decent attenuation at 518 while passing 501-506 without too much=20= losses.

An alternative would be a xtal filter as a passband filter for 501-506.<= br>If you can find a number of 500kHz xtals and "polish" them up s= ome kHz.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T=20

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

Hi LF,

You may have= seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at about
506KHz. T= he original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this
grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz.

I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel
f= ilter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly due<= br> to the bandwidth of the filter??

Is there some simple narrow=20= notch filter which I could use to remove the
offending signal.

73,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

--001636c5abdfc9081c046a4b2143-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB063-cf94a0af4763b0; Wed, 13 May 2009 12:25:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB035-cf94a0af4763b0; Wed, 13 May 2009 12:25:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4HFs-0004by-32 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:24:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4HFr-0004bp-Kn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:24:27 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4HFo-00042l-Ff for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:24:27 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr09.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CKS89652; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:23:03 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:23:04 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0202.4A0AF3E8.010A,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all I have a beacon running on 502.7kHz on standard CW. I would welcome reports as the evening progresses. I will be using it to try to engage some SOTA people in listening on the band so that I can do some experiments at a later date. If it causes anyone a problem please send me a private email. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-adc4a1daa752e2; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:03:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB082-adc4a1daa752e2; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:02:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9QFa-0000PF-Oe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:01:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9QFa-0000P6-9g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:01:26 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9QFU-0001hQ-W8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:01:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 15739 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2009 21:01:14 -0000 Received: from 85.178.103.129 by www057.gmx.net with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:01:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:01:11 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: <002c01c9df02$ed931da0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Message-ID: <20090527210111.259810@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002c01c9df02$ed931da0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18hmOtTIk4hZAQ20tVD6toca/umIr2XrproaJPHV2 +yByW+UzdYsq21449II+sjLa94pbhaUzOA8w== X-GMX-UID: WN98LhQEa0A7Jb+KSzEzwcs/Njh6dM4b X-FuHaFi: 0.53 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: LF: ssb , now somebody on 506 CW Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > Datum: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:38:48 +0100 > Von: "mal hamilton" > Betreff: LF: ssb > SM6BHZ 57 on USB 505 Khz at 1938 utc > G3KEV Thanks Mal! After reading this coming back home abt. 20:30Z, I quickly modified the RX-setup for 500khz. No SSB heard so far, but there is some weak but sometimes audible (RST 239) CW on 506kHz! Who is it? 73 Dennis JO62RM -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss f�r nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF043-5334a0855013e; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:40:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF026-5334a0855013e; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:40:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3YXN-0005Yj-HM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:39:33 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3YXN-0005Ya-5Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:39:33 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr01.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.179]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3YXL-0004W8-1B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:39:33 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr01.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id DKR69232; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:39:25 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0854C1.1040308@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:39:29 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr01.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0204.4A0854BD.0531,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Now QRV! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all My 500kHz NoV has arrived! Excellent dealings with OFCOM - very helpful. I propose doing some initial tests this evening from home. I will have CW running on 502.5kHz. ERP about 100mW. I look forward to some initial contacts. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (rly-mb06.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.164]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-d0d4a05f09f17c; Sat, 09 May 2009 17:07:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB061-d0d4a05f09f17c; Sat, 09 May 2009 17:07:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2tlI-0003RJ-Hf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 22:07:12 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2tlI-0003RA-4c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 22:07:12 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2tlG-0007eL-Gr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 22:07:12 +0100 X-Trace: 193082949/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroEABaNBUpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTYQVvwYHg3cF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,322,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="193082949" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 May 2009 22:07:09 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 22:07:09 +0100 Message-ID: <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnQ6VBNOClBIS/USmWvqN+XRgVquwAADAKQ X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Jim, LF, Thank you for the report. I can also see the MFSK signals between my own transmission, not able to decode at present. Good luck with your attempts to reduce the QRN. OK the QSO's, I did hear part of your contact with Dennis. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz Sent: 09 May 2009 21:58 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test Dear Gary, LF Group, You are S5 here at the moment in a the rising QRN. Also can see G0NBD and OR7T attempting a QSO in MSK4 - Rik's signal is just about visible on the waterfall, but will have to wait until I have completed noise-cancelling improvements before I will stand a chance of copying it here. G4JNT's beacon is also a good signal. Earlier, I had a CW QSO with G3XIZ, and this morning with Dennis, M0JXM, who was a new one for me. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE044-4da4a034b642ae; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:58:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE057-4da4a034b642ae; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:58:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Aex-00031X-V7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:57:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Aex-00031O-I0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:57:39 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Aev-0002fM-AC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:57:38 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFA97B804D for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:57:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4127E31E702 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:57:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 2060C5D74; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:57:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 39.182-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (39.182-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.182.39]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:57:25 +0200 Message-ID: <20090507225725.232kpy3wuaa5a8wc@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 22:57:25 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506225829.1vrsvh 9ozjwcwog8@webmail 4.kuleuven.be> <351E24E134154160986CF3C5CC07321A@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090507152132.C17FE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.182.39 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: FM-Hell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gerhard, thanks for the report. MultiPsk can receive (and transmit) FM-Hell At 21:20 UTC I will change from FM-Hell to RTTY (50Hz shift / 23Bd as =20 last night). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > Hello Rik, > > nice visible signal on waterfall at 20:40; > Signal was also clear audible!!!!! > > Sri, I don't have installed a FM-Hell decoder; > > Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI (JN59LN) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 17:22 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: FM-Hell > > Dear all, > > I will do some FM-Hell transmissions tonight on 503.5kHz from 20:30 > UTC til 21:20 UTC starting every 10 minutes. > Between transmissions I will "listen" on the same frequency. > Report are welcome. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb07.mx.aol.com (rly-mb07.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.165]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-d174a0718dd27d; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:11:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB073-d174a0718dd27d; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:11:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3DUL-0008S5-Hc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:11:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3DUL-0008Rw-5J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:11:01 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.127]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3DUJ-0000ou-Sr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:11:01 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2bthomr09.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DGW46332; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:10:54 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0718B2.5020203@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:10:58 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <4A067B34.9060701@btconnect.com> <921E5615F20E456088F65870062F6634@AGB> In-Reply-To: <921E5615F20E456088F65870062F6634@AGB> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020A.4A0718AE.0176,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham wrote: > Richard, > > What time was that and what mode ? > > I heard you first on CW then I heard you go to data modes. Your signal seemed to change level - do you test on different power levels? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG052-a1b4a139c9275; Wed, 20 May 2009 02:01:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG065-a1b4a139c9275; Wed, 20 May 2009 02:00:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6ept-0008Bh-7u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 06:59:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6eps-0008BY-PV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 06:59:28 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr08.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.186]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6epq-0006xT-29 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 06:59:28 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-158-34-40.range86-158.btcentralplus.com [86.158.34.40]) by c2beaomr08.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CMX17874; Wed, 20 May 2009 06:59:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A139C39.7070609@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 06:59:21 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> <20090519232905.l4n0cl7o5vk0oogs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr08.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0208.4A139C39.0055,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andy Talbot wrote: > Ansoft Designer came up with this solution. > > http://www.g4jnt.com/518kHz_BandStop.gif > > The component values aren't particulalrly nice, and there is almost > certainly a nicer design with transformers to be found, but... > Andy Is that modelled with "real" components or lossless ones? How would it be likely to perform over a typical shack temperature range? 73 Richard G3CWI > > > > > > > > -- SOTA Beams Quality products for Radio Amateurs http://www.sotabeams.co.uk Tel: 01625-425700 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (rly-dg12.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.96]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG023-60c4a1a548f2cc; Mon, 25 May 2009 04:19:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG123-60c4a1a548f2cc; Mon, 25 May 2009 04:19:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8VOT-0003eO-Im for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:18:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8VOT-0003eF-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:18:49 +0100 Received: from mx10.go2.pl ([193.17.41.74] helo=poczta.o2.pl) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8VOR-0002vs-Ic for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:18:49 +0100 Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx10.go2.pl [127.0.0.1]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4DE865F35 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:18:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bxi (unknown [193.189.116.61]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:18:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005601c9dd11$68ff15a0$6551e00a@bxi> From: "Marcin" To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> <6795A1FF1E9F491596BE84FE3FBB7BD0@Black> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 10:18:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332 Subject: LF: Re: Re: SP2KDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Markus! Thanks for the report! Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI SP2KDS Team > Hello Marcin, > > this is what your signal looked like here on the colour-DF screen, using a more favourable palette for your direction. > > Good luck, > Markus (DF6NM in Nuernberg JN59NK) > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME092-9de4a21a1172e9; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:11:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME102-9de4a21a1172e9; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:11:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAVpT-0003k2-La for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:10:59 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAVpT-0003jt-9c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:10:59 +0100 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAVpR-0002FZ-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:10:59 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.13] (helo=3.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #91) id 1MAVpP-0002jk-V0; Sat, 30 May 2009 23:10:56 +0200 Received: from w2b62.w.pppool.de ([89.58.43.98]:1583 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 3.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1MAVpP-0002EB-7C; Sat, 30 May 2009 23:10:55 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Cc: "'Gus'" References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2><010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com><833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> <20090513225952.e2nk4cqpm9kwokc4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> <51B7F2FA87A84383BB1A2166E4DF2A02@2a2d7ed321c6425> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 23:10:52 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnUEWoSo3bemmHVQM61YgPyLViMZQAy3wngAyNnf4A= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 505.6 kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BLANK_LINES_70_80 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Good evening Gus, Again solid copy ur SSB / CW transmission in JN59LN this evening!!! Your SSB-Signal is about 349 // CW is 459 at low QRN. vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI ====================== > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD053-91e4a0996d9181; Tue, 12 May 2009 11:34:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD086-91e4a0996d9181; Tue, 12 May 2009 11:33:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3tyB-0003k0-K3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:32:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3tyB-0003jr-1O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:32:39 +0100 Received: from smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3ty8-0001B6-9H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:32:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 12526 invoked from network); 12 May 2009 15:32:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=TvFscAcRTOq0x6qXrCJkckeAJIFc2ZRhEFbdAhukbyUkWm4cMrlbkXcxrB1Op+aGfsRLCqqYlP69FalyUVfyeEX05e4wOnpfXNNQ9yGnzSM5gnfD2cuYR/exUIl/f2JRug89ZTOIOhhNx6rrcQP3Ed+eCHVSOG0oeqZ6NB9NQ3Q= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@86.130.78.162 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 15:32:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wtgYOzwVM1mBO38ltHrsv2DjanpzfkVraChA_2jVgAIArbGfASMZhZBr0kPuJP30WBcsjwUPdA8FpeSMtJ5nIeF9E91lLWxz3F4_Ahr5ML0iBCFNT85FSwP_7YLEFaVUkO8.ZCuxNM8WPideFB4zxkpeQ6YfXzrfmP6SSNlSDKLYT8uUv0TQZsXTawLBSJdHrLdg023zpuwIh0IMjIBSECclzfaMvvNJAQfPyT2gyb02mFnakJM- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <982865.38712.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <982865.38712.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:32:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: Re: Fw: Planned transmissions with SAQ in 2009 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0088_01C9D31F.3AA52C40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,LINES_OF_YELLING, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C9D31F.3AA52C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Peter Thanks for the information. I will try and hear at least one of the transm= issions. 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: LF: Fw: Planned transmissions with SAQ in 2009 --- On Fri, 8/5/09, Lars Kalland wr= ote: From: Lars Kalland Subject: Planned transmissions with SAQ in 2009 To: sm6nm@telia.com Date: Friday, 8 May, 2009, 11:20 AM GRIMETON RADIO/SAQ PLANNED=20 TRANSMISSIONS, SUMMER AND AUTUMN 2009=20 =20 =20 =20 There will hopefully be transmissions with the Alexanderso= n alternator on 17.2 kHz, CW (A1A) at the following dates and times during 2= 009:=20 =20 =20 1)=20 Tuesday, May 19 2009 at 07:00 and 07:30 UTC.=20 There will be a transmission to celebrate the Japanese VLF= -station Josami Radio/JND when it will be nominated to Institute of Electric= al and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) Milestone and also celebrate its start 8= 0 years ago. The radio station is now a museum.=20 No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.=20 =20 =20 2)=20 Sunday, May 24 2009 at 10:55 UTC.=20 A transmission will take place to celebrate the First Swed= ish Coast Radio Station and 100 years of Karlskrona Radio/SAA. The station i= s still working on military frequencies.=20 No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.=20 =20 =20 3)=20 Sunday, June 28 at 09:00 and 12:00 UTC.=20 The annual transmission on =E2=80=9CAlexander Day=E2=80= =9D. The station is open to visitors.=20 We are glad to receive reports and will exchange QSL-cards= .=20 =20 =20 4)=20 Saturday, October 24 at 09:00 UTC.=20 As last year we will transmit on United Nations Day.=20 No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.=20 =20 =20 5)=20 Thursday, December 24, Christmas Eve at 08:00 UTC.=20 The Christmas transmission as before.=20 The stations is open to visitors.=20 We are glad to receive reports and will exchange QSL-cards= .=20 =20 =20 We will start tuning up some 30 minutes before message.=20 =20 =20 Also read our web site: www.alexander.n.se=20 =20 =20 QSL-reports are, when indicated, kindly received via:=20 =20 - E-mail to: info@alexander.n.se=20 =20 - or fax to: +46-340-674195=20 =20 - or via: SM bureau=20 =20 - or direct by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton Veteranradios= Vaenner, Radiostationen, Grimeton 72=20 S-430 16 ROLFSTORP=20 S W E D E N=20 =20 =20 =20 Yours=20 =20 =20 Lars Kalland=20 SM6NM =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C9D31F.3AA52C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Peter

Thanks for the information.   I w= ill try=20 and hear at least one of the transmissions.

73 Dennis M0JXM

----- Original Message -----

M0FMT <= /DIV>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:37 PM=

Subject: LF: Fw: Planned transmissi= ons=20 with SAQ in 2009

Hi All

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Sunday, 19 April, 2009 2:50 P= M

From:

"M0FMT" <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
View contact= details=20

To:

"vincent jakomin" <vincentvoy@hotmail.co.uk>

Hi Vincent=20
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From: vincent jakomin <vincentvoy@hotmail.co.uk&= gt;
Subject: FW: 7.23 meg Xtal quote please
To: m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk
D= ate: Saturday, 18 April, 2009, 10:33 PM

Hi Pete,
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CC: vin= centvoy@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: FW: 7.23 meg Xtal quote please
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To: vincent@jakomin.fsnet.c= o.uk
Cc:
Subject: 7.23 meg Xtal quote please

Hi Vincent=20

Please can you quote me price and postage and delivery for a 7= .23 Megahertz Crystal for Amateur Radio use. Cheapest available in any packa= ge. How do I pay ; Paypal?=20
Many thanks Pete M0FMT

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--- On Sat, 30/5/09, Mark <ma= rkhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

From: Mark <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk>
= Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information <crystals>
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Date: Saturday, 30 May, 2009, 2:18 PM

Lawrence,

You may get lucky with surplus Xtals in tha= t range, I use some pulled from an ancient xtal controlled 2m rig.. but= the 2m frequencies corresponding to your range are low.

You may consider using a DDS like the softm= ark unit, or the ones designed for the Softrock SDR radios . this effectivel= y gives you a VFO!

One of these may also be cheaper than a cou= ple of crystals!

Mark GM4ISM

----- Original Message -----

From: lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:06 PM=

Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information <= crystals>

Many thanks Dave. I will try suggested companies.
Actually= looking for Xtal on 8020 to 8030 so unlikely
anyone has one !
\Thank= s Laurie.

2009/5/30 Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>

Laurie,=

<= /DIV>
McKnight and Hy-Q use= d to advertise in RadCom. They may still be trading. Addresses below.=

<= /DIV>
IQD are also around,=20= but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like us!

<= /DIV>
What frequency/style=20= are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector probably has what you need.

McKn= ight Cryst= als...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY 0= 1703-848961 ENGLAND

Hy-Q Intrnational (UK= ) Ltd. (44) 01223-834444 Fax: (44) 01223-834589.

http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/=

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Messa= ge-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence mayhead
Sent: 30 May 2009= 11:42
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: Information

<= /DIV>Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days?
I= have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!!
Nothing= in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ?
Any ideas thanks
L= aurie G3AQC

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--- On Fri, 8/5/09, Lars Kalland=20 <lars.kalland@telia.com>=20 wrote:

From:=20 Lars Kalland <lars.kalland@telia.com>
Subject:=20 Planned transmissions with SAQ in 2009
To: sm6nm@telia.com
Date:=20 Friday, 8 May, 2009, 11:20 AM

GRIMETON RADI= O/SAQ

<= /SPAN>PLANNED=20
TRANSMISSIONS= , SUMMER AND AUTUMN=20 2009=20
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There will hopefully be transmissions with t= he=20 Alexanderson alternator on 17.2 kHz, CW (A1A) at the follo= wing=20 dates and times during 2009:=20
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<= SPAN lang=3DEN-GB>Tuesday, May 19 2009= at 07:00=20= and=20 07:30=20 UTC.
There will be a transmission to celebrate th= e=20 Japanese VLF-station Josami Radio/JND when it will be=20 nominated to Institute of Electrica= l and=20 Electronics Engineers (IEEE) Milestone and also celebrate=20= its=20 start 80 years ago. The radio station is now a museum.=20
No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.= =20
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<= SPAN lang=3DEN>Sunday, May 24 2009 at 10:55 UTC.
A=20 transmission will take place to celebrate the First Swedis= h=20 Coast Radio Station and 100 years of Karlskrona Radio/SAA.= The=20 station is still working on military frequencies.=20
No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.= =20
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<= SPAN lang=3DEN>Sunday, June 28 at 09:00 and 12:00=20 UTC.
The annual transmission on =E2=80=9CAlexander D= ay=E2=80=9D. The=20 station is open to visitors.=20
We are glad to receive reports and will exchang= e=20 QSL-cards.=20
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<= SPAN lang=3DEN>Saturday, October 24 at 09:00 UTC<= /U>.=20
As last year we will transmit on United Nations= Day.=20
No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.= =20
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<= SPAN lang=3DEN>Thursday, December 24, Christmas Eve at 0= 8:00=20 UTC.
The Christmas transmission as before.
The stations is open to visitors.=20
We are glad to receive reports and will exchang= e=20 QSL-cards.=20
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We will start tuning up some 30 minutes befo= re=20 message.=20
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Also read our web site: www.alexander.n.se=20
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QSL-reports are, when indicated, kindly rece= ived=20 via:=20
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- E-mail to: info@alexander.n.se=20
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- or fax to: +46-340-674195=20
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- or via: SM bureau=20
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- or direct by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton= =20 Veteranradios Vaenner, Radiostationen, Grimeton 72=20
S-430 16 ROLFSTORP=20
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------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C9D31F.3AA52C40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC082-b3f4a01f10f2b2; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:20:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC093-b3f4a01f10f2b2; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:20:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1naX-0007cF-8t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:19:33 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1naW-0007c6-FT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:19:32 +0100 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1naV-0006bU-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:19:32 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.21] (helo=11.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #88) id 1M1naU-00010M-Rc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:19:30 +0200 Received: from w33ee.w.pppool.de ([89.58.51.238]:1162 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 11.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M1naU-0005Io-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:19:30 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:19:26 +0200 Message-ID: <2F1B6EC92F8F42A4AEFE5D5AA8201E18@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnOhnWOWli3/QLUTwOIMmvNNNgJwQAATmGw X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, trhanks for info. I will start the preparations..... Local QRM is vy strong tonight.... Vy 73 de Gerhard =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2009 22:04 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Hello Gerhard, tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 minutes. Same mode as yesterday. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > Hello Rik, > > Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. > Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY test > transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward to > verify a new mode. > > Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC > Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) > > 73, Rik > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> >> >> Hello Rik, >> >> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one > more >> chance for decoding.... >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>> and listen inbetween. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>> >>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>> >>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>> >>>>> OK Rik, >>>>> >>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to > monitor, >>> I >>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>> >>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>> The way I did it: >>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR >>> BPF >>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>> >>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>> >>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>> >>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>> needs >>>>> to >>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us > using >>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the > colors >>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>>> locator >>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df09.mx.aol.com (rly-df09.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.22]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF052-5764a0e8287214; 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format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, The WSPR beacon shut down at 0900utc - thanks for the reports overnight. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD034-b744a0ad28c138; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:00:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD046-b744a0ad28c138; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:00:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4F0E-0003eq-D7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:00:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4F0E-0003eh-0d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:00:10 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4F0B-00021M-EO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:00:09 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C3051C00D for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:59:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4FB31E704 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:59:55 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:59:56 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70905130629q408f0128yfe5356c77bbe084e@mail.gmail.co m> References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905130629q408f0128yfe5356c77bbe084e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090513135955.BB4FB31E704@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Warren, I guess this problem can be solved by removing=20 the onboard xtal and injecting a signal from a stable frequency source. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 15:29 13/05/2009, you wrote: >Graham, Gerhard, > > This is EXACTLY the dds that I used and observed considerable >temperature drift when operating QRSS 60 on 137 kHz. > >-- >73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > >On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Beckmann, Gerhard > wrote: > > Hello Graham, > > > > > > > > the DDS-Oscillator under this link may partial meet your requirements=20= =85 > > > > > > > > http://www.box73.de/catalog/pdf/FA0407_694-695.pdf?osCsid=3D983aae56f383= b > > > > > > > > 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 23:25 > > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Betreff: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit=20= , > > > > better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working > > > > even better ! > > > > > > > > Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to > > > > enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device > > > > > > > > Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master > > > > oscillator for tx > > > > > > > > Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) > > > > > > > > Tnx- Graham . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db09.mx.aol.com (rly-db09.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.84]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB061-ae34a0739b82e8; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:32:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB091-ae34a0739b82e8; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:31:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Fg0-0001S2-6c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:31:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Ffz-0001Rt-PA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:31:11 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3Ffx-00024k-6F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:31:11 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3621.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 48D2A7000089 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:31:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3621.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id F25397000088 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:31:01 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510203101992.F25397000088@mwinf3621.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <2149FAD3D3B349DA8DD2D9B692522EEE@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus><5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC><008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus><61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB><4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB><1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> <20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:30:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Rik, Well see what prints with this beacon, Im running Fldigi x 3 times on the same pc , Gary is running the same for rx and reports all is ok with the system ... tnx- G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:40 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Hello Graham, > > thanks for the QSO's last night. > Under current conditions (lot of QRN and QSB) ThrobX2 seemes a bit better > than > PSK31. MFSK4 wouldn't print last night. > The night before it was the same until all the sudden I had a perfect > print. > Maybe tuning / synchronisation is rather critical for MFSK4. > The bandwidth of MFSK4 seems about 150Hz, so i will not use it for > transmit. > PSK31 and ThrobX2 are well below 100Hz. > > I will try to decode the signals starting 21:00 UTC. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > >> Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream >> same text , 60 sec repeat .. >> >> >> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz = 503.20k cent rf >> >> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz = 503,00k cent rf >> >> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz = 502.70 k cent rf >> >> >> Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' >> lock up time ? >> >> Graham >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Graham" >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM >> To: >> Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later >> >>> >>> All, >>> >>> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >>> >>> G .. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Graham" >>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >>> >>>> >>>> All >>>> >>>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>>> >>>> Tx set >>>> >>>> Dial 501.000 >>>> mode usb >>>> >>>> FLDIGI software >>> >>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>>> >>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>>> >>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>>> >>>> Power 40 watts per stream >>>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>>> >>>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>>> >>>> Reports welcome >>>> >>>> Graham >>>> >>>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>>> 05/09/09 >>>> 06:54:00 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>> 05/09/09 06:54:00 >>> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 > 07:02:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF072-9724a126db016d; 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19 May 2009 09:26:15 +0100 Message-ID: <002601c9d85b$79d9cbf0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> <20090517222630.ae0y0n55sb7ookoo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8CBA607C4722FC0-157C-146@webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:26:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9D863.DB5914A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_20_30, HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9D863.DB5914A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does it matter if one is first or second, its the quality of signal that cou= nts, and if I remember there was a lot of GUESSWORK at the time, all sorts o= f claims were made and most were wishful thinking !!!!!!! As far as I am concerned the callsign must be identified and not part of a d= ash seen on a screen. Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g0mrf@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: JA ops And yet, the first transatlantic cross band and 136kHz - 136k QSOs both in= volved stations south of Watford.=20 Dream on Crazy diamond. David Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on= 136 and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling i= n that area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.=20 Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as=20= Scotland and still do. -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops This is a meaningless argument about 25 watts and range on LF. One needs t= o know about the actual antenna in use and the resulting ERP.=20 Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 1= 36 and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in=20= that area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.=20 Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Sc= otland and still do.=20 There were also some big signals from EU at the time, unfortunately now al= l gone QRT, all active on CW. =20 =20 G3KEV=20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" =20 To: =20 Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM=20 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops=20 =20 Hi Warren,=20 =20 depends on what you call a neighbour.=20 In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to 400km under=20 similar conditions.=20 =20 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=20 =20 Quoting Warren Ziegler :=20 =20 > Tnx Laurence,=20 >=20 > If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will=20 > have to get some of his neighbors on.=20 >=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS=20 >=20 > On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China >=20= wrote:=20 >>=20 >> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites=20= - >> fyi=20 >> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: ja3vqw Hiroshi=20 >> Hi Laurence=20 >>=20 >> Thanks for your e-mail.=20 >> Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) la= st=20 >> month.=20 >> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO >>= wit h=20 >> any station.=20 >> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz.=20 >> So if you find my signal please QSL me.=20 >> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W.=20 >> The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long.=20 >> 73=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=E2=80=99t worry about stora= ge limits. >> Check=20 >> it out.=20 >> _________________________________________________________________=20 >> Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=C2=AE.=20 >> http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM= _Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS=20 > WD2XGJ=20 > WD2XSH/23=20 > WE2XEB/2=20 > WE2XGR/1=20 >=20 >=20 =20 =20 =20 --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------=20 =20 =20 No virus found in this incoming message.=20 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: 05/18/09= 06:28:00=20 =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Click here to get the very best of AOL, including news, sport, gossip, lif= estyles updates and email.=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.34/2121 - Release Date: 05/18/09= 17:55:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9D863.DB5914A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does it matter if one is first or second, i= ts the=20 quality of signal that counts, and if I remember there was a lot of GUESSWOR= K at=20 the time, all sorts of claims were made and most were wishful thinking= =20 !!!!!!!

As far as I am concerned the callsign must=20= be=20 identified and not part of a dash seen on a screen.

Mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

g0mrf@aol.com <= /DIV>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:41 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: Re: LF: JA ops

And yet, the first transatlantic cross band and 136kHz - 136k QS= Os=20 both involved stations south of Watford.

Dream on Crazy=20 diamond.

David

Early= UK=20 experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136 and=20 could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in tha= t=20 area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.
Some how=20= the=20 big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scotland and=20 still do.

-----Original Message-----
From: ma= l=20 hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27
Subject: R= e:=20 LF: JA ops

This=20 is a meaningless argument about 25 watts and range on LF. One needs to kno= w=20 about the actual antenna in use and the resulting ERP.
Early UK=20 experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136 and co= uld=20 not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in that area.=20= This=20 info appeared in the LF comic at the time.
Some how the big signa= ls=20 eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scotland and still=20 do.
There were also some big signals from EU at the time,=20 unfortunately now all gone QRT, all active on CW. =20

G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- From:=20= "Rik=20 Strobbe" <Rik.Strobb= e@fys.kuleuven.be>
To:=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent:=20 Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JA=20 ops

Hi Warren,

depends on what you c= all=20 a neighbour.
In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to=20 400km under
similar conditions.

73, Rik ON7YD=20= -=20 OR7T

Quoting Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com>:

>=20 Tnx Laurence,
>
> If he's running 25W into a 25m=20 (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will
> have to get some of his= =20 neighbors on.
>
> 73 Warren=20 K2ORS
>
> On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China <= ;hellozerohellozero@ho= tmail.com>=20 > wrote:
>>
>> Ive asked Hiroshi for more= =20 details and passed reflector and info sites - >> fyi
>&g= t;=20 73 Laurence KL1X in windy=20 BY3A
>>
>>
>> From: ja3vqw=20 Hiroshi
>> Hi Laurence
>>
>>=20 Thanks for your e-mail.
>> Yes, I got license form the=20 department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last
>>=20 month.
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9D863.DB5914A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC084-b2e4a194f1d255; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:44:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC072-b2e4a194f1d255; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:44:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Dyl-0007wl-Mf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:43:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Dyl-0007wc-6m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:43:07 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.66]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Dyj-0006yS-E0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:43:07 +0100 Received: (qmail 16504 invoked from network); 24 May 2009 13:42:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=J/tNeaxxg6ruydWL8jvIWBjw6LAFTQu99mGBTSUxr7G6ah8HFcupz6CGmXAhqbjYJy7f7hVyXg2OAGb7jXvWx5Ay1BdDpG/Jm/ZzaLzQ8nkEBd+TIa1rBl60zPk+HjUel4IgSs7CwlQhxN5h4jB1IxAR8M2mvl3z6y4GyjyxLes= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 13:42:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Z1fn3.0VM1ldOGqSWEG.eQwS2.GAAVBLRy.1qL9HWHNvgTWdpbGjw3IPSJDZsjqfudcdeeWoE36fled0j6UuFn3YREi761HO6qhxptIO0flPr_r4GR23BRpvUfIqQE2Uva8PyCqL9bSMqOPfSgoX3_C3MQiHNrGnec29paBVDqdpTbKhvTl12CBjeVDpw6O9BsarzPGPTobvyemURuZI1UtnHFDLD1jsiouzV9HvS8MbiK_UjyZglO3DnIG0CgU2Jyf5kPbmovSF6o2cL1hMOfkGgo5EsSB5oPYZwsi_HWOGVxawt0g- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <14D90153B05D421EB30356D325877C2D@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:42:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Richard, LF Group, > 1) T antenna. Am I right in thinking that in the classical T > configuration, the horizontal part of the aerial is only there to add > capacity - i.e. it makes no contribution to the groundwave? If so, I > assume that I can use very thin wire for the T? > More or less - The idea with all the top loaded vertical structures is to maximise the averaged current component flowing in a vertical direction. If you have a plain vertical element, the current tapers to zero at the top, but if you add substantial top loading, the current at the top of the vertical section is only slightly less than at the bottom, since most of the current returns to ground via the distributed capacitance of the top loading wires, rather than that of the vertical section. Thus a top loaded vertical has greater "effective height" than a plain vertical. The maximum increase in effective height is theoretically a factor of two. When the length of wire in the top load is more than about 5 times the vertical section, you are getting quite close to this - so there is not much benefit to very long top loading wires in this context. Because current is flowing in all the wire, resistive losses in the wire will contribute to the overall loss resistance of the antenna. But in practice, wire strong enough to support itself will only add a few ohms to the loss resistance, probably insignificant compared to other losses (of course, if the wire is iron or nichrome or something, this might not be true...). > 2) In the more likely configuration with "horizontal" wires actually > acting as an inverted V can I still use very thin wire without reducing > performance? The resistance of the wire will again be insignificant. If the top loading wires slope downwards, this gives rise to a downwards vertical component of the current that partly cancels out the upwards component in the vertical element, which is counterproductive. So for sloping top-loading wires, there is a trade-off between increasing the length and capacitance, and reducing the effective height. Hence the "average height" of the wires is important. Most of the time, this will mean if the lower ends of the sloping wires are at least half the height of the higest point of the antenna, they will be beneficial. But wires coming close to the ground will be counter-productive. > > 3) Is there any benefit to be gained by having an inductor at the top of > the vertical section of the T? If so, will the loss of the inductor be > relevant if the part of the antenna above it (the T wires) don't > contribute to useful radiation? In principle, the elevated loading coil will reduce the voltage on the vertical section, reducing the current returning to ground through the distributed capacitance of the vertical section, so increasing the current at the top as with top loading. Also, the lower voltage means reduction in loss produced by objects like trees and buildings close to the vertical section. In practice, this is offset by the difficulty in supporting and tuning the elevated coil. In your situation, where quite a lot of top loading is feasible, and the antenna is out in the open, the advantantages will be small. Most of the antenna current flows through the elevated coil, and the TX still has to supply the resulting power dissipated, so the inductor loss is certainly relevant. However, it can be made quite small. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB054-ad549ff5e9033; Mon, 04 May 2009 17:31:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB073-ad549ff5e9033; Mon, 04 May 2009 17:30:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M15jj-0007VS-Cq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:30:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M15ji-0007VJ-Rn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:30:06 +0100 Received: from smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.69]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M15jg-0003wZ-IB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:30:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 52708 invoked from network); 4 May 2009 21:28:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Y7frN04Mo+WJ8By3mYWIDktYANpPsTDwO2RNwAXxlQ+SupsFk01AJ6x/IQwLqGDWyethq7GyjSCsnLtQSWtu1kPbk2gGe+++x9QHHIx91Ta3uHdJhw53exAD/b//51pLH/FRlgAKx+FhkNQaeP5ctDMXBoXOWVEhaCth0LVDBwI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.110.22 with login) by smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2009 21:28:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5fC_AnQVM1mTl_kkATzfpv8ueLOQcnQtn38QZHgg.huExntKv0nzmwujm.gF4mXTJikBzPAf18q0Zl4LwOwzAQqgm8Ik4V6Z.BmQeYj9gJcDVhxaypl0FTanQg6yMHtWNVwvge0ojl0pcq.gpObMVQsoFBoy1M2Nnh13TKyK95OHzxGJZ1tXKR6BeTqcfI78qStiFrVkBOrqbqCok6A30BRwQC5f7GuVEPFVuR_zZHZYmTyGHBS6G2TnnxT8qJXO5k8KUTwliFqmXGHqmnrJJtFCYwOq3ZxOQ6.PSxSFYyBchhKN4wKZxQI4TSHwhcvpTB82SzI5JIX9f3o4n_.N X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <812B407DD1DA4057B46706FF32D73FC8@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:28:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Rik, LF Group, Nil seen here so far... mind you, I still am having local noise problems here. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: LF: rtty test > dear all, > > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC > Reports and/or reply welcome. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (rly-dg12.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.96]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG053-6114a1ac6da28f; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:27:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG128-6114a1ac6da28f; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:27:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8d0S-00051x-46 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:26:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8d0R-00051o-AN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:26:31 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8d0O-0005jL-IC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:26:31 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au0GALJjGkpZ8IyR/2dsb2JhbACCIjCCAodHgUm+fIQLBQ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.140.145]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 25 May 2009 17:26:18 +0100 Message-ID: <006401c9dd55$89291760$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:26:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01C9DD5D.EA6CB6A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C9DD5D.EA6CB6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: G0MRF@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Hi all. Firstly, thank you to Jim and Chris for the QSOs yesterday and for the man= y useful reports and comments on the relector.=20 Some detail. THE OBJECTIVE: To test the very good theory that horizontal antennas don= 't work at LF. The idea being that by operating on very poor ground you are=20= actually many 10s of metres above 'radio ground' and therefore the antenna i= s much higher electrically than you may first imagine. This technique is use= d by the US military in underground nuclear command centres to avoid EMP. The location in East Sussex is at the top of a hill 170m above sea level.=20= The ground goes down rapidly in two directions which I hoped would also aid=20= the propagation of the 500k signals. We started off with a reference antenna - A 9m vertical with a 5m top sect= ion and intended to use reports and the grabber at G3YXM to evaluate the rad= iated signal by comparison to the 100mW ERP 137.7 beacon. This was a big mis= take as the poor ground made it very inefficient, with 100 W from the transm= itter generating an unimpressive 125mA of antenna current. However, it did a= llow a couple of QSOs. We then added a large amount of wire to the top section to make the antenn= a self resonant. To my surprise, and I'm not sure if this has been done befo= re, it worked. Total wire used 128 metres. Series tuning inductance....zero.= Compared to the wavelength of 596m this represents 85% of a quarterwave,=20= which was rather more than I had anticipated. I expected the 'shortening eff= ect' to be much greater. Perhaps this was a good indication that as I suspec= ted the 'ground' under the antenna was either a considerable distance from t= he surface or, operating from a hilltop had an advantage. Antenna current wa= s now 1A. Still not very good but this was due to us using the quaterwave ag= ainst a few radials and a single ground rod. I notice that Rik reports a si= gnal increase between the two different antenna types, but this could be exp= lained by higher current in the vertical rather than any radiation from the=20= horizontal section. Just when things were looking good, it all went, to use a local term, 'pea= r shaped' It began to get dark. The static level wiped out the grabber so we could=20= not see our own signal and our final plan to turn the whole thing into a sin= gle horizontal dipole mounted along the ridge of a hilltop had to be abandon= ed as one of the 2 fields suddenly acquired a large flock of sheep. So, unfortunately a nice day in the countryside but only a little knowledg= e gained and the transmitter never turned up beyond 100W. Next time...I'll take a VNA and start with a dipole! At least the local m= anager at Homebase wont have to worry where all his 2 m bamboo canes are goi= ng anymore. My garage is full of them! Finally, to answer Dave's question about the callsign. I have probably mi= sread my NOV but I was under the impression that just like the old 73k licen= ce, /P was not allowed. Hence a letter to OFCOM a week in advance changed m= y 'station address' to East Sussex for the weekend. - So although I was work= ing from a field....they knew where to find me. As for 10 W ERP. - We probably made about 2% of that. Sorry Mal. Oh wel= l. To be continued..? ENOUGH ENOUGH - NO MORE PSE !!!!!!=20 G3KEV David G0MRF In a message dated 25/05/2009 08:34:52 GMT Standard Time, dave@davesergean= t.com writes: On 24 May 2009 at 18:24, James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, >=20 > Just worked G0MRF at 1705utc. Signal was 549 - apparently they are sti= ll > working on the antenna, so might improve yet... Got a good report from > them, so obviously receiving OK. Good luck for the rest of the > operation, David and Garo. >=20 > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU=20 >=20 >=20 I listened on and off to David's signal yesterday evening between other=20 jobs. Some observations.... G0MRF (/P but not sending /P, which I thought was a bit confusing) was=20 569 here in Bracknell, later peaking 579 but the static was intolerable=20 from around 9pm making copy very hard. I did give David a couple of calls after he finished his QSO with Chris=20 G3XIZ but obviously he didn't hear, hardly surprising with my setup and=20 in any case I found the tuning had gone off and I had a bad SWR, a=20 problem with sharply tuned short verticals. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/24/09= 07:09:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C9DD5D.EA6CB6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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G0MRF@aol.com <= /DIV>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 4:37 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV

Hi all.

Firstly, thank you to Jim and Chris for the QSOs yesterday and f= or=20 the many useful reports and comments on the relector.

Some detail.

THE OBJECTIVE: To test the very good theory that horizont= al=20 antennas don't work at LF. The idea being that by operating on very poor=20 ground you are actually many 10s of metres above 'radio ground' and theref= ore=20 the antenna is much higher electrically than you may first imagine. This=20 technique is used by the US military in underground nuclear command=20 centres to avoid EMP.

The location in East Sussex is at the top of a hill 170m above sea le= vel.=20 The ground goes down rapidly in two directions which I hoped would also ai= d=20 the propagation of the 500k signals.

We started off with a reference antenna - A 9m vertical with a 5m top= =20 section and intended to use reports and the grabber at G3YXM to evaluate t= he=20 radiated signal by comparison to the 100mW ERP 137.7 beacon. This was a bi= g=20 mistake as the poor ground made it very inefficient, with 100 W from the=20 transmitter generating an unimpressive 125mA of antenna current. However,=20= it=20 did allow a couple of QSOs.

We then added a large amount of wire to the top section to make=20= the=20 antenna self resonant. To my surprise, and I'm not sure if this has been d= one=20 before, it worked. Total wire used 128 metres. Series tuning=20 inductance....zero.   Compared to the wavelength of 596m this=20 represents 85% of a quarterwave, which was rather more than I had anticipa= ted.=20 I expected the 'shortening effect' to be much greater. Perhaps this was a=20= good=20 indication that as I suspected the 'ground' under the antenna was either a= =20 considerable distance from the surface or, operating from a hilltop had an= =20 advantage. Antenna current was now 1A. Still not very good but this was du= e to=20 us using the quaterwave against a few radials and a single ground rod.&nbs= p; I=20 notice that Rik reports a signal increase between the two different antenn= a=20 types, but this could be explained by higher current in the vertical rathe= r=20 than any radiation from the horizontal section.

Just when things were looking good, it all went, to use a local term,= =20 'pear shaped'

It began to get dark. The static level wiped out the grabber so= we=20 could not see our own signal and our final plan to turn the whole thing in= to a=20 single horizontal dipole mounted along the ridge of a hilltop had to be=20 abandoned as one of the 2 fields suddenly acquired a large flock of=20 sheep.

So, unfortunately a nice day in the countryside but only a=20 little knowledge gained and the transmitter never turned up beyond=20 100W.

Next time...I'll take a VNA and start with a dipole! At least t= he=20 local manager at Homebase wont have to worry where all his 2 m bamboo cane= s=20 are going anymore. My garage is full of them!

Finally, to answer Dave's question about the callsign. I have=20 probably misread my NOV but I was under the impression that just like the=20= old=20 73k licence, /P was not allowed. Hence a letter to OFCOM a week= in=20 advance changed my 'station address' to East Sussex for the weekend. - So=20 although I was working from a field....they knew where to find me.

As for 10 W ERP. - We probably made about 2% of that. Sor= ry=20 Mal. Oh well.

To be continued..?

ENOUGH ENOUGH - NO MORE PSE !!!!!!

G3KEV

David G0MRF

In a message dated 25/05/2009 08:34:52 GMT Standard Time,=20 dave@davesergeant.com writes:

On 24=20 May 2009 at 18:24, James Moritz wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
>= ;=20
> Just worked G0MRF at 1705utc. Signal was 549 - apparently they=20= are=20 still
> working on the antenna, so might improve yet... Got a good= =20 report from
> them, so obviously receiving OK. Good luck for the r= est=20 of the
> operation, David and Garo.
>
> Cheers, Jim=20 Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>

I listened on and o= ff=20 to David's signal yesterday evening between other
jobs.

Some=20 observations....

G0MRF (/P but not sending /P, which I thought wa= s a=20 bit confusing) was
569 here in Bracknell, later peaking 579 but the=20 static was intolerable
from around 9pm making copy very hard.
I=20 did give David a couple of calls after he finished his QSO with Chris=20
G3XIZ but obviously he didn't hear, hardly surprising with my setup=20= and=20
in any case I found the tuning had gone off and I had a bad SWR, a=20
problem with sharply tuned short verticals.
<= /DIV>

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Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
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------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C9DD5D.EA6CB6A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db09.mx.aol.com (rly-db09.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.84]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB102-ae94a0e8d98151; Sat, 16 May 2009 05:55:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB097-ae94a0e8d98151; Sat, 16 May 2009 05:55:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5Gbk-0001zq-QO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:55:08 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5Gbk-0001zf-7w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:55:08 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5Gbi-0001nc-2S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:55:08 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnAGABcqDkpOlWem/2dsb2JhbACCIy+CAIdDBoFCwgqEAQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.103.166]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 10:54:58 +0100 Message-ID: <003801c9d60c$5f736740$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <007a01c9d58f$45a60e80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <1242429806.11120.6.camel@pat-desktop-dell> <88d2415e0905160203m1bbdd75bic052166eaa50566a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:54:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: Re: LF: BC-221-T Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C9D614.C0F2AFF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C9D614.C0F2AFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Most models were BC-221-M but this one is a 221-T. It looks the same as the=20= M model, perhaps a later version. I also used them in the 1950/60's state of the art at that time !!, so was a= n AR88.=20 When the Racal RA17 was introduced, because of its accurate frequency calibr= ation the BC-221 became obsolete The 221 was an essential tool when using an AR88 to ascertain frequency accu= racy. A clumsy procedure by todays standard.=20 73 mal/g3kev=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:03 AM Subject: Re: LF: BC-221-T Hi All, I can probably still use a BC221 having used them at Hanslope Park in the=20= 40's to set uo=20 HRO's so that German stations that we were monitoring could be found. I st= ill have one in the loft but not in such good order as Mal's I am afraid. 73 Laurie 2009/5/16 pat gillen Mal, Alan 3nyk and myself were just discussing those a couple of days ago. We wondered how many of us were left who knew how to use a BC221 or similar het. unit. Don't think I can quite qualify as being old enough to have known the man who made yours though. Better question, however, is can you still read the initials on the cal charts? On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 19:59 +0100, mal hamilton wrote: > I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would make a nice OSC/driver for MF. > It is mint condx but has not been used for years. Some will be > familiar with this unit, vintage WWII made in the USA (ZENITH RADIO > CORPORATION CHICAGO) Maybe someone knows the man that made it !! > > mal/g3kev > -- 73 de Pat G4GVW QTH Nr. Felixstowe (East Coast of UK) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2117 - Release Date: 05/15/09= 17:55:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C9D614.C0F2AFF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Most models were BC-221-M but this one is a= 221-T.=20 It looks the same as the M model, perhaps a later version.

I also used them in the 1950/60's state of=20= the art=20 at that time !!, so was an AR88.

When the Racal RA17 was introduced, because= of its=20 accurate frequency calibration the BC-221 became obsolete

The 221 was an essential tool when using an= AR88 to=20 ascertain frequency accuracy. A clumsy procedure by todays standard.=20

73 mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:03=20 AM

Subject: Re: LF: BC-221-T

Hi All,
I can probably still use a BC221 having used the= m at=20 Hanslope Park in the 40's to set uo
HRO's so that German stations that= we=20 were monitoring could be found. I still have one in
the loft but not in= =20 such good order as Mal's I am afraid.
73 Laurie

2009/5/16 pat gillen <g4gvw@aol.com>

Mal,=20 Alan 3nyk and myself were just discussing those a couple of days
ago.= We=20 wondered how many of us were left who knew how to use a BC221 or
simi= lar=20 het. unit. Don't think I can quite qualify as being old enough
to hav= e=20 known the man who made yours though. Better question, however,
is can= you=20 still read the initials on the cal charts?

On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 19:59 +0100, mal=20 hamilton wrote:
> I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would make a n= ice=20 OSC/driver for MF.
> It is mint condx but has not been used for ye= ars.=20 Some will be
> familiar with this unit, vintage WWII made in the U= SA=20 (ZENITH RADIO
> CORPORATION CHICAGO) Maybe someone knows the man t= hat=20 made it !!
>
> mal/g3kev
>
--
73 de Pat G4GVW
QTH Nr. Felixstowe
(East Coast o= f=20 UK)

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2117 - Releas= e=20 Date: 05/15/09 17:55:00
------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C9D614.C0F2AFF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC062-b4b49fe17711ec; Sun, 03 May 2009 18:15:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC107-b4b49fe17711ec; Sun, 03 May 2009 18:15:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0jxH-0004vm-UV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 23:14:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0jxH-0004vd-Ki for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 23:14:39 +0100 Received: from kiwi.webfusion.co.uk ([212.67.202.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0jxF-0007yr-F6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 23:14:39 +0100 Received: from host217-34-87-14.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.87.14] helo=Stewarts-Computer.local) by kiwi.webfusion.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1M0juB-0008OA-FK; Sun, 03 May 2009 23:11:27 +0100 Message-ID: <49FE168F.8000201@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 23:11:27 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <016101c61d02$12ceca40$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <43CFCE5D.5000504@usa.net> <20060119232216.u1kyilxv57r4scgg@webmail.versatel.de> <43D0258B.2000601@usa.net> <43D027B8.1000300@usa.net> <43E7DF30.2060108@usa.net> <49FE158B.40406@g3ysx.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <49FE158B.40406@g3ysx.org.uk> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Mini Whip and local noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Sorry for the bandwidth - the previous email was part of one intended for Alberto - but I hit send before I corrected the "To". Stewart/G3YSX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD022-8ee4a089e2c97; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:53:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD026-8ee4a089e2c97; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:52:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dQ7-0006ts-NV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:52:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dQ7-0006tg-5o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:52:23 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3dQ4-0006ik-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:52:23 +0100 thread-index: AcnSgrHpc2dR/Yv4Rai2FkegRN3NlA== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:51:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4DA432DC9DD34100ABB27F4D36FF7393@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:51:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: AW: SSB-Beacon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C9D293.73DDC8F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C9D293.73DDC8F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gerhard, Thank's info and report. I run only 1 W erp at the moment. 73 de Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Beckmann, Gerhard=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: LF: AW: SSB-Beacon Hello Gus, =20 Your CW-signal is coming in with 449 this evening in JN59LN; Your SSB-signal is only weak readable now, QRN is vy high.. =20 Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D =20 =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2009 23:18 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: SSB-Beacon =20 Dear LF group, =20 I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. =20 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C9D293.73DDC8F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gerhard,

Thank's info and=20 report.

I run only 1 W erp at the=20 moment.

73 de Gus

----- Original Message -----

Beckmann, Gerhard

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:42 PM=

Subject: LF: AW: SSB-Beacon

Hello=20 Gus,

Your=20 CW-signal is coming in with 449 this evening in=20 JN59LN;

Your=20 SSB-signal is only weak readable now, QRN is vy=20 high=85.

Vy 73=20= de=20 Gerhard // DK6NI

= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<= o:p>

= <= /FONT>

Von: owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] Im Auftrag von <= /SPAN>Gus
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2009=20 23:18
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF:=20 SSB-Beacon

Dear LF=20 group,

I test a SSB beacon th= is evening=20 on 505,5 kHz USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP an= d there is=20 also a CW id include....

Reports are=20 wellcome.

73 de Gus=20 SM6BHZ
<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C9D293.73DDC8F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (rly-dc05.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.34]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC073-b234a09cfa011f; Tue, 12 May 2009 15:36:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC057-b234a09cfa011f; Tue, 12 May 2009 15:36:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3xl6-0005R9-SA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:35:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3xl6-0005R0-G9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:35:24 +0100 Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3xl3-0003pp-4x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:35:23 +0100 Received: from DR2 ([71.184.212.10]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJJ00DTIQECRTBJ@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 14:35:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> From: "dave.riley3" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:35:00 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 500 acty Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9D317.3658D630" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9D317.3658D630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mel, Any net call ups on 502 - 7033 broadcast mode?? Picture us here in the new world on a ship and can only get back on 7mc. hf.= .. Give us a break, will ya... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: LF: 500 acty Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G3CWI and G3KEV all on hi speed CW. Mal/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9D317.3658D630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mel, Any net call ups on 502 - 7033 broadcast=20 mode??

Picture us here in the new world on a ship and c= an=20 only get back on 7mc. hf...

Give us a break, will ya...

----- Original Message -----

mal= =20 hamilton

To: rsgb

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:21 PM=

Subject: LF: 500 acty

Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G3CWI= and=20 G3KEV all on hi speed CW.

Mal/G3KEV

------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9D317.3658D630-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME051-99a49ff4be21bf; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:11:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME016-99a49ff4be21bf; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:11:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M14UA-0006Zm-3E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:09:58 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M14U9-0006Zd-IH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:09:57 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M14U7-0002xx-Ew for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:09:57 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3613051C00D for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:09:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112E631E705 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:09:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 02EE05C8F; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:09:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 83.189-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (83.189-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.189.83]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:09:36 +0200 Message-ID: <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 22:09:36 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.189.83 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) dear all, I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC Reports and/or reply welcome. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG074-a114a0081c4239; Tue, 05 May 2009 14:13:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG053-a114a0081c4239; 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d="scan'208";a="189959575" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 May 2009 19:11:29 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:11:29 +0100 Message-ID: <00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnNloZgutOQBk+qTg+dku2KRytr6wAFicHQ X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 OK Rik, I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor, I normally use TrueTTY. Thanks for the info. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Gary, LF, I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz shift and 22Bd baudrate. The way I did it: 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that is the audio frequency you get) 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR BPF 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can do that in the main screen. If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't forget to select reverse mode). I will announce the exact hours later this evening. Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. All reports (or replies) are welcome. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >Hello Gary, > >I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >provide a robust signal. >I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >permits - run some tests tonight. > >73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > >At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>Hi Rik, >> >>You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal needs to >>be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>partial decode. >> >>A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >> >>I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using 85Hz. >> >>Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>judging by the strength of your signal. >> >>73 >> >>Gary - G4WGT. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >> >>Hello Gary, >> >>call the is almost right, locator completely. >>But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>the last 2 minutes or so. >>I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>So any advice is welcome. >>I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>and options. >>I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>bandwidth. >> >>73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> >>Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >> > Hi Rik, >> > >> > This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & locator >> > :- >> > >> > RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >> > >> > 73 >> > >> > Gary - G4WGT. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> > Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > Subject: LF: rtty test >> > >> > dear all, >> > >> > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC >> > Reports and/or reply welcome. >> > >> > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> > >> > >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG041-a254a0b425490; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:57:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG077-a254a0b425490; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:57:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4MRa-0007tw-Vq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:56:54 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4MRa-0007tn-5t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:56:54 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4MRY-0000Rl-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:56:54 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B559D7000089 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:56:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.52.149]) by mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 6E7197000084 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:56:44 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090513215644452.6E7197000084@mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <904474A8715F452BB14047664F07E1FB@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <1582396BAA6345DA9AA170F40E237C30@radiorummet> In-Reply-To: <1582396BAA6345DA9AA170F40E237C30@radiorummet> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:56:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Gus, Have you altered the spectrum ? looking slightly different on Gary's=20 grabber . good signal to night .. but lots of static , may just be noise level , speech seems less coloured , more red and blue ,=20 less green ? Best Rx Ae 20 mtr lazey H , no atu , direct via air space balum , slow=20 qsb 7/8 Skip distance is just right for this storm in France ! http://www.upminsterweather.co.uk/test/ll.htm -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gus" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:43 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB > > Hi Marco, > > thanks report and info! > > 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > www.sm6bhz.com > > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Scholz, Marco " > To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:35 PM > Subject: AW: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB > > >> Hello Gus, >> your CW is ufb RST 529, SSB weaker RST 41. >> Happy to catch your SSB transmission. >> >> Thanks to Gerhard, DK6NI for informing me directly. >> >> Good night >> Vy73 >> Marco >> DD7PC >> >> >> ----- Originalnachricht ----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Gesendet: Wed May 13 22:16:26 2009 >> Betreff: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB >> >> >> Hello Gus, >> >> Also solid copy (56) in JN59LN >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2009 23:05 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB >> >> Rik, >> >> thank's report. >> >> 73 de Gus SM6BHZ >> >> ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: "Rik Strobbe" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM >> Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB >> >> >>> Gus, >>> >>> solid 57 signal here tonight >>> >>> 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.27/2112 - Release Date: 05/13/09= =20 > 07:04:00 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB083-aa94a14d5433a1; Thu, 21 May 2009 00:15:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB017-aa94a14d5433a1; Thu, 21 May 2009 00:15:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6zf1-0005x4-1v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 05:13:39 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6zf0-0005wv-Gu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 05:13:38 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s10.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.210]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6zew-0005ic-0J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 05:13:38 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W5 ([64.4.56.105]) by BAY0-OMC3-S10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 May 2009 21:13:17 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 06:13:17 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2009 04:13:17.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[78165340:01C9D9CA] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_58c15297-0db3-4741-aa68-ecc7d4c3778c_" Subject: LF: XGJ X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_58c15297-0db3-4741-aa68-ecc7d4c3778c_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4bb6e25d-dc5a-44bb-999f-27519e4d1bbe_" --_4bb6e25d-dc5a-44bb-999f-27519e4d1bbe_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF! I saw XGJ signal this morning before sunrise in OK. FB! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS _________________________________________________________________ Pou=BE=EDv=E1te Messenger? Pak tak=E9 pou=BE=EDv=E1te Windows Live. Chcete v= =ECd=ECt v=EDc?=20 http://www.microsoft.com/cze/windows/windowslive/=3D --_4bb6e25d-dc5a-44bb-999f-27519e4d1bbe_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF!
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG064-a234a099e0d3cd; Tue, 12 May 2009 12:05:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG075-a234a099e0d3cd; Tue, 12 May 2009 12:04:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3uSM-0003xe-9C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:03:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3uSL-0003xV-MP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:03:49 +0100 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.158]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3uSJ-0001dt-GQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:03:49 +0100 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so32379ywk.64 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:02:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0EHAmdoKnkkmUs2yAm3pmjWNUQVXsUYQyNebpxZel34=; b=pV3EVIcg9HWmPaKsyeGMN0o58hCkVKRmop2sTeOa85ZWrvzXQ5imEYbOH4tc4Q7r2V 2Tsktpk6D7kEvFr4rr8rE7ivSUkaN4xRM9O+qeF1NhsODHBg03ya4KDHDSHflfu0dc9B Y5x+XVylOPNcPydKyXeLK6X6pcdCmoCemadgw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=omgxNT1O6q5Fkh9a6cDU1YjG0Hk0dsPpP8UdVO9Fdv3c0LEjf56M8Y78ch1YC2Iixi Bby8/yvm6crUu7Dd6odNDnQZTuwtDR+6YCDlkF36TGH8ae+CdvV+k2gxBN5mD0NzhYOV lu5rASxRv28a5/ONFQycfRvAP3BYnwEvC9odA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.68.3 with SMTP id v3mr15913ybk.165.1242144165620; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:02:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A094F88.31094.2E46CD4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <007401c9d2fa$863a6280$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:02:45 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905120902x24259365o364835d11f09dd01@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f173cc088d20469b93905 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d287.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f173cc088d20469b93905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I fully agree with Mike and Andy, any slope downward will reduce the effective height of the antenna, and hence its radiation resistance. This may not be too much of a problem on 500kHz where enough RF can be generated but on 136 not so good and on 73 useless. I have proved this in practice as well as by simulation. So there you are Mal. Laurie G3AQC 2009/5/12 Andy Talbot > A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to become a > loop with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather than a > vertical. ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tenth of a > wavelength cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered in > its entirety. Such is obvious even before resorting to modelling. Mike was > referring to electrically short antennas where the downward sloping part > simply opposes the current flow in the upward path. > > A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too noticeable > in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could do more good > than its slope undoes. > > Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude > and treating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as > second-class radio-ams, you stop and read the exam question. > > Andy G4JNT > wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom > > > 2009/5/12 mal hamilton > > You are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and >> especially antennas. >> I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with the far end >> just above ground , and in normal CW mode. >> Some time ago it was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil formers, >> thought an AR88D was a diversity fly catcher. >> What is coming next? The diversity UMBRELLA!!!! >> My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 100 ft high and performs >> well but for some this might be difficult, therefore use what you can get on >> your property and let the far end tilt down if necessary. >> G3KEV >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" < >> mike.dennison@ntlworld.com> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable >> >> >> You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. >>>> The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied >>>> to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far >>>> away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it >>>> simple. mal/g3kev >>>> >>> >>> This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards will reduce the effective >>> height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the >>> effective height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far >>> preferable to an inverted-L in a single mast situation because a >>> large amount of capacitance to ground can be achieved without much >>> reduction of effective height. >>> >>> Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my >>> advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are >>> very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Keep well away from >>> wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is >>> power lost. >>> >>> Mike, G3XDV >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 >> 16:14:00 >> >> >> > --001e680f173cc088d20469b93905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I fully agree with Mike and Andy, any slope downward will reduce the effecti= ve height of the antenna, and hence its radiation resistance.
This may no= t be too much of a problem on 500kHz where enough RF can be generated but on= 136 not so good and on 73=A0 useless.
I have proved this in practice as well as by simulation.
So there you are= Mal.
Laurie G3AQC

2009/5/12 Andy Talb= ot <andy.g= 4jnt@googlemail.com>

A full quarter= wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to become a loop with the grou= nd path forming part of the loop conductor, rather than a vertical.=A0=A0 AN= Y antenna that approaches more than about a tenth of a wavelength cannot be=20= treated as small any more, and must be considered in its entirety.=A0 Such i= s obvious even before resorting to modelling.=A0 Mike was referring to elect= rically short antennas where the downward sloping part simply opposes the cu= rrent flow in the upward path.=A0=A0=A0

=A0

A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too notice= able in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could do more goo= d than its slope undoes.

=A0

Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude and= =A0treating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as second= -class radio-ams, you stop and read the exam question.

Andy =A0G4JNT
wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom

=

2009/5/12 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >

You are certainly N= O EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and especially antennas.
I hav= e worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with the far end just above= ground , and in normal CW mode.
Some time ago it was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil =A0formers, t= hought an AR88D was a =A0diversity fly catcher.
What is coming next? The=20= diversity UMBRELLA!!!!
My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 10= 0 ft high and performs well but for some this might be difficult, therefore=20= use what you can get on your property and let the far end tilt down if neces= sary.
G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" &l= t;mike.denni= son@ntlworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Port= able

You do not need 2 m= asts for an inv L or T antenna.
The so called horizontal wire(s) can slop= e down and the far end tied
to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far
away= as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it
simple= . mal/g3kev

This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards wil= l reduce the effective
height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the
effecti= ve height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far
preferable to a= n inverted-L in a single mast situation because a
large amount of capacit= ance to ground can be achieved without much
reduction of effective height.

Based on my experience of LF portable=20= (both on 73 and 136kHz), my
advice is to make very sure that the remote e= nds of a Marconi are
very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Ke= ep well away from
wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is
power l= ost.

Mike, G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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--001e680f173cc088d20469b93905-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF064-55d4a181e6d39f; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:04:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF068-55d4a181e6d39f; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:04:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7tgf-0004Ai-KQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:03:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7tgf-0004AZ-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:03:05 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7tgc-0005o2-Pi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:03:05 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3512.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 407537000088 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 18:02:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.56.40]) by mwinf3512.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 06F3B7000084 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 18:02:56 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090523160257285.06F3B7000084@mwinf3512.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <4A17AE9F.2070000@btconnect.com> <8AB8247AC0EC491BB2748E799A45AC0B@AGB> <4A17D26B.9060605@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A17D26B.9060605@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:02:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: M0FMT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Richard, I think I could copy you portable to day , but it was not as strong as the home signal, looks like we are not that far apart io83lk , 39.8 miles , ? Ive no real way of taking a field level , but all I could suggest is you check , Garys on line display at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html Or if you tx in one of the un-used time slots , net on to 503.7 , the system checks every 15 mins , you will get a recorded level, you could use a stop watch to get into the measurement slot if your /p but you need to be close to frequency http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html These 2 displays have a dB scale , Of use ? G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:39 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: M0FMT > > Graham wrote: >> Richard, >> >> Your beacon was quite strong the other night into Wallasey, 3 miles >> west of Liverpool , what is you power/ae set up ? >> > Graham > > I am running about 15 watts into a T aerial with 40m top and 6m > vertical. This is at 10m above ground level. I estimate the ERP at a > little less than 100mW. I would be grateful for any field strength > measurements. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.36/2128 - Release Date: 05/22/09 > 06:03:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (rly-mb10.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.168]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB054-d334a102a3113f; Sun, 17 May 2009 11:16:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB107-d334a102a3113f; Sun, 17 May 2009 11:16:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5i51-0005rr-QA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 16:15:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5i51-0005ri-Df for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 16:15:11 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5i4x-0005OF-Pe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 16:15:10 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiUFANLGD0pUDXAl/2dsb2JhbACEUokLwjWEAQU Received: from host-84-13-112-37.opaltelecom.net.112.13.84.in-addr.arpa (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([84.13.112.37]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 17 May 2009 16:15:02 +0100 Message-ID: <004301c9d702$4061d6b0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:15:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 10w erp and I might hear him Pse qsp mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Tnx Laurence, If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will have to get some of his neighbors on. 73 Warren K2ORS On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrote: > > Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites - > fyi > 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A > > > From: ja3vqw Hiroshi > Hi Laurence > > Thanks for your e-mail. > Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last > month. > I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO with > any station. > I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz. > So if you find my signal please QSL me. > My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W. > The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long. > 73 > > > > > > Hotmail� has ever-growing storage! 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2118 - Release Date: 05/16/09 17:05:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB063-d3f4a171e091b5; Fri, 22 May 2009 17:50:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB123-d3f4a171e091b5; Fri, 22 May 2009 17:50:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7cbx-0001bc-IC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 22:49:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7cbx-0001bT-6W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 22:49:05 +0100 Received: from mx12.go2.pl ([193.17.41.142] helo=poczta.o2.pl) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7cbv-0001Gk-Ha for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 22:49:05 +0100 Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx12 [127.0.0.1]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB3A104026 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 23:49:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bxi (unknown [193.189.116.61]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 23:49:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003001c9db27$1c25b310$6551e00a@bxi> From: "Marcin" To: References: <4A17057D.3090409@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 23:48:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332 Subject: LF: Re: SP2KDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 TNX Screenshot Hartmut! Next Club SP2KDS 136KHz LF actyvity day: Sunday 24.05.2009 in the evening. -- Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > SP2KDS on 137.700 > > Screenshot attached > -- > 73 > Hartmut > www.h-wolff.de > Locator: JO52hp > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC051-b0b4a2129ecb0; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:43:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC027-b0b4a2129ecb0; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:43:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MANti-0000uk-1S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:42:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MANth-0000ub-FB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:42:49 +0100 Received: from imr-m08.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.210]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MANte-0005tc-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:42:48 +0100 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a2129ac1a5; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:42:20 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.cf8.588dfcdd (34931) for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.153]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA044-5c374a2129a61b; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:42:16 -0400 Received: from mblk-d37 (mblk-d37.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.221]) by smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB025-5c374a2129a61b; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:42:14 -0400 References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> <4A21111B.6070904@netspace.net.au> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:42:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4A21111B.6070904@netspace.net.au> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g0mrf@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42952-STANDARD Received: from 87.80.206.159 by mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.221) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 30 May 2009 08:42:14 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBAF3B310C8C8D-147C-2F13@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBAF3B31815F34_147C_605F_mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_20_30,HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CBAF3B31815F34_147C_605F_mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Laurie. I'm just doing an order for crystals today. www.quartslab.com? Now based in Dublin but OK. - They buy from a company in Belgium and forward it to you. or I use a company called west crystal in Vancouver ( I think that right) 73 David -----Original Message----- From: Richard Rogers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:57 Subject: Re: LF: Information Try http://www.hy-q.com.au? ? lawrence mayhead wrote:? > Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days?? > I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!!? > Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ?? > Any ideas thanks? > Laurie G3AQC? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------? >? >? > No virus found in this incoming message.? > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2142 - Release Date: 05/29/09 17:53:00? >? > ? -- 73, Ric, VK7RO? ? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ----------MB_8CBAF3B31815F34_147C_605F_mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Laurie.

I'm just doing an order for crystals today.

www.quartslab.com Now based in Dublin but OK. - They buy from a company in Belgium and forward it to you.

or I use a company called west crystal in Vancouver ( I think that right)

73

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Rogers <vk7ro@netspace.net.au>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:57
Subject: Re: LF: Information

Try http://www.hy-q.com.au

lawrence mayhead wrote:
> Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days?
> I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!!
> Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ?
> Any ideas thanks
> Laurie G3AQC
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2142 - Release Date: 05/29/09 17:53:00
>
>
-- 73, Ric, VK7RO

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----------MB_8CBAF3B31815F34_147C_605F_mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC064-b164a072258172; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:52:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC042-b164a072258172; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:52:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3E7Y-0000X8-NY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:51:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3E7Y-0000Wz-Av for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:51:32 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3E7V-0001d1-MO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:51:31 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1BE3E7000089 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:51:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id D42197000087 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:51:13 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510185113868.D42197000087@mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> In-Reply-To: <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:51:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream same text , 60 sec repeat .. PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz = 503.20k cent rf MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz = 503,00k cent rf ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz = 502.70 k cent rf Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' lock up time ? Graham -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM To: Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > All, > > Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio > > G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Graham" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM > To: > Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later > >> >> All >> >> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >> >> Tx set >> >> Dial 501.000 >> mode usb >> >> FLDIGI software > > PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >> >> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >> >> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >> >> Power 40 watts per stream >> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >> >> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >> >> Reports welcome >> >> Graham >> >> G0NBD / IO83LK >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >> 05/09/09 >> 06:54:00 >> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD104-b6b49faa6db2df; Fri, 01 May 2009 03:38:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD035-b6b49faa6db2df; Fri, 01 May 2009 03:38:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LznIN-0002q3-NH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 08:36:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LznIN-0002ps-6L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 08:36:31 +0100 Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LznIK-0002gi-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 08:36:30 +0100 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-349faa624d4; Fri, 01 May 2009 03:35:00 -0400 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c9b.26a9d857 (37071) for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 03:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Silver (g229118221.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.118.221]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB055-90cf49faa61e2aa; Fri, 01 May 2009 03:34:55 -0400 Message-ID: <168DE12B719E45A19F8CF003F78B17DB@Silver> From: "Markus Vester" To: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 07:34:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: CFH on again Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C9CA2F.514FFCC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C9CA2F.514FFCC0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01C9CA2F.5151AA70" ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C9CA2F.5151AA70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like the Canadians are dusting off their 137 kHz transmitter. 73 de Markus, DF6NM =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C9CA2F.5151AA70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks like the Canadians are dusting off th= eir 137=20 kHz transmitter.

73 de Markus, DF6NM

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X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m260.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f12ac6d5f35046966fc6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, I am concerned at the lack of activity on 500kHz. I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice hear a signal now and again.! Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to 18:30 call on 502.50, QSY up/down. If you don't like this, any other ideas? 73 Laurie G3AQC --001e680f12ac6d5f35046966fc6f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All,
I am concerned at the lack of activity on 500kHz.
I am not a= great "chin wagger" but it would be nice
hear a signal now an= d again.!
Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to 18:30
call on 502.50,=A0 QSY up/down. If you don't like this, any
other ide= as?
73 Laurie G3AQC
--001e680f12ac6d5f35046966fc6f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC074-b174a06da2e3a3; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:44:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC043-b174a06da2e3a3; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:44:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M39JJ-0007Wl-IL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:43:21 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M39JJ-0007Wc-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:43:21 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.190] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M39JH-0008If-5l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:43:21 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C6C297000083 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:43:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.54.100]) by mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 440F07000081 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:43:01 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510134301278.440F07000081@mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <2AEBF69AE87E4741948E45A9F0F6672A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4A06C298.8040006@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A06C298.8040006@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:37:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Cross-band contacts Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rich, There is something intrinsically quaint about erecting a lightning conductor on top of a mountain , flying a kite well that's one group sang ,that's 'one step beyond' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-uyWAe0NhQ) hihi Interesting question, the answer to which by default now appears to be 'yes' After having a Concorde moment in the run up to the IMD event where the arrl told there chaps , they could not communicate with a uk satiation transmitting on 500 , as it wasn't licensed, it turned out that in fact usa stations transmitting on 500 could not communicate the other way round as they where not licensed.. vo1mrc called us on 3566 in reply to 502 cw cq call The rational being that uk 500 stations already hold full uk licences and as such are operating with an extension to there existing license as in the original vlf permit, the 6 mtr variation , 5 meg experiment , asking the same question 2 years ago may of evoked a differing response, , however things have move on. Cw has been the main cross band:- 3566 reply 7033 is also used , (kev -Moscow ) Data im not sure I have had one cross band qso with wspr/qso mode to 160 mtrs And some cross band qso's with Gary , but ive not seen any other activity as such. G .. g0nbd -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:03 PM To: Subject: LF: Cross-band contacts > > Dear MFers > > A few of the SOTA crowd have started taking an interest in 500kHz since > I mentioned it on their reflector. Some have been listening and hearing > people. Are there any restrictions on making cross-band contacts (say > 80m-500kHz)? That seems like a good way to get a few people interested. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI (currently untangling wire for use as radials) > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (rly-mb06.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.164]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB034-d1149fdf36a36f; Sun, 03 May 2009 15:41:51 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB065-d1149fdf36a36f; Sun, 03 May 2009 15:41:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0hYT-0004H8-RG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 20:40:53 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0hYT-0004Gz-6U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 20:40:53 +0100 Received: from [84.51.195.52] (helo=dx.ru) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0hYQ-0002CT-E7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 20:40:53 +0100 Received: from 238.41.117.87.donpac.ru ([87.117.41.238] helo=192.168.1.3) by dx.ru with esmtpa auth=ed@dx.ru id 1M0hY8-0005uU-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 23:40:43 +0400 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 23:39:32 +0400 From: Ed RU6LA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.7) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1773268710.20090503233932@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Re: RU beacons May 1-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF enthusiasts! TNX for the reports and pics to Lubos OK2BVG, Markus DF6NM, Nicolas F4DTL, Laurence BY3A-KL1X, Henny PA3CPM, Peter G3LDO, Ko NL9222, Uwe DJ8WX and special for Sergej RA4HGN ! SRI, but I have not received reports from VK, ZL or JA or ?? and NA I had technical problems (blinked pwr in my TS-850) and have not heard an alarm clock at 23z 2 May =3D 3 AM MSK, therefore have QSYed on 136.320 at 0z ;-( (any ideas for autoQSY to other freq for all LF setup?) Sergej RA4HGN has called to me by cellular 1-2 May and has informed on my problems with a signal - TNX! GPRS was not work on Machta agn ;-( Abt QSY 137.8 to 136.3: Can in Northern America will find an additional RX DX window from EU above 137.79 or below 137.775 ? - in Russia many cannot operatively QSY on 136.3 from 137.8 (abt 1.5 kHz down) Marcus DF6NM has informed abt CHF - as often it works now? TNX 2 all for the reports and efforts agn! 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC092-b1b4a08a478dd; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:19:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC047-b1b4a08a478dd; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:19:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dq3-0007PA-1C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:19:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dq2-0007P1-Jj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:19:10 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3dpz-0001Dp-Mm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:19:10 +0100 thread-index: AcnShny2lapyzT36RCuO4NqO8DiKeQ== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:19:00 +0100 Message-ID: <94A417B477484C909F6FCF50D4FBABC1@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 00:18:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: Re: RE: SSB-Beacon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01C9D297.3ED65BA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C9D297.3ED65BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave, Thank you for all info and report. Graham just send me a audiofile so i heard the noise an static, but beacon w= as over all the time by him. It would be nice to hear your audio clip to! I have now little more gain on compressor, and hope the signal is still clea= n !? 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave G3WCB=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:08 AM Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Gus, Your SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of st= atic crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compre= ssion to boost your "talk power". My RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usu= al 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high. I have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to you? 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gus Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C9D297.3ED65BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave,

Thank you for all info and=20 report.

Graham just send me a audiofile so i heard t= he=20 noise an static, but beacon was over all the time by=20 him.

It would be nice to hear your audio clip=20 to!

I have now little more gain on compressor, a= nd=20 hope the signal is still clean !?

73 de Gus SM6BHZ

----- Original Message -----

Dave G3WCB

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:08=20 AM

Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus,

Your=20 SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of static=20 crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compressi= on=20 to boost your "talk power".

My=20 RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usual=20 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high.

I=20 have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to=20 you?

73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 Gus
Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF:=20 SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,= 5 kHz=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a=20= CW id=20 include....

Reports are=20 wellcome.

73 de Gus=20 SM6BHZ
------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C9D297.3ED65BA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (rly-mb10.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.168]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB061-d344a0c5ae91e8; Thu, 14 May 2009 13:55:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB108-d344a0c5ae91e8; Thu, 14 May 2009 13:54:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4f8B-0008KE-RM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:54:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4f8B-0008K5-Fi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:54:07 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.127]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4f88-0001LE-TF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:54:06 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host81-155-60-146.range81-155.btcentralplus.com [81.155.60.146]) by c2bthomr09.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DHS88972; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:53:59 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0C5AB9.2090700@btconnect.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:54:01 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> <4A053B34.6050807@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0205.4A0C5AB7.0173,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andy Talbot wrote: > > Surely you should be looking at more than 100km for daylight range, > Richard. See if you can hear my beacon on 503.7kHz, transmitting > every 15 minutes at 04/19/34 and 49 minutes past the hour, using the > same format as the RAL/ORK/WES 5MHz beacons, but PSK31 for the 30 - 48 > second period. > > That has an ERP in the region of 23dBm and is rather less potent than > most stations on the band. Andy The 1749 sequence was just detectable here tonight - too weak to read the CW. 73 Richard From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC034-b254a19dfad349; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:01:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC061-b254a19dfad349; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:00:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Nba-0002S0-9r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:59:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8NbZ-0002Rr-Ko for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:59:49 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.62]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8NbV-0002eM-VP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:59:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 35262 invoked from network); 24 May 2009 23:59:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=YQlIarCrs9zaLRpRKrJP3BMaA1MMYZoDFJiBCFWW/I+XIyBD4XHdKvKeTtDASVmC11sGkdIjGkJsUY5BJp+7zxDnEzrCUdiA4xenw3Ktop3dB6IHHwV77XaM7hVKIBH2LpBGAiflSLm4aqJ1Q8K/4xYN3jXl7z2M20SR39QYX0Y= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.38.229 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 23:59:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zyqLxdcVM1kLbGNLkcWG3.xYh0ySRhlWAZMRVwb78Icn6CqFUu8OmVbmOgBLvzVNLLd2nYMtyM_N1kfbGJd2eWFvv6ezGGLROA_NOGtwFUifA_AfVVnR0nP9q0wwpD.f1beZWdRdNEjufTQv7VNRcLqyJr6SSEyc1UBTUxcrOEtfhRu8YlDujSOgo6ieQMcta_VB55YgVVLRKpDmHUYdQytiT4QYpOmiN73p2NuI_kMIXpQlL3zTHtcZqOSZP5PoGxURSo3q2Ckz8Ul8VfTm6B7KukSHNhngj8U- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <007a01c9dccb$b3021620$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <4A199D1F.7070201@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:59:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Modelling aerials Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi again Richard. I think the answer is dont waste your time. LF/MF aerials are so short and depend so much on ground and none of the systems model them very well at all. Roy Llewellin admitted as much at an Internet lecture a few years ago at the HF Convention. Laurie G3AQC and Peter G3LDO have done some work with EZINEC. It would be a disaster for instance, to fix tuning component values on the basis of a model. In particular the programs dont seem to model the reduction in ground loss with increased top capacity, which is the effect you may have with a short low aerial. I can imagine that modelling ground strata of a rocky hill top will be almost impossible. At our level LF and MF aerial work has proved that empirical techniques are the best. Hence my cry of "measure it with an RX bridge", I have found that is the only way to really find out what is happening, and quickly assess changes. Graham mentions the increase in gain from top loading but it is very small about 1dB. the main advantage of top inductive loading is to reduce the voltage on the vertical section so that the loss which is coupled into to surrounding environment, trees and buildings, is reduced. You never see it in commercial aerial systems because they just dont have that effect. The thought of you abseiling down a cliff gives a whole new meaning to aerial rigging. Yes you could increse the capacity of the lower end to ground with insulated (from ground) radials. By the time the current gets down there it has traversed the Radiation resistance and an increased capacity with reduce the ground loss. It could work quite well!! The top feed with be just the same as a normal vertical feed. Dave G0MRF made the 1st trans-atlantic 136kHz crossing using an "urban cliff".... throwing two wires out of the top-floor flat of a tower block in West London, and feeding it again the water-distribution system (I believe) !! LF stands for "Loadsa Fun" and MF for "More Fun" :-)) Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:16 PM Subject: LF: Modelling aerials > Dear MFers > > I am trying to model various aerial configurations for 500kHz using NEC. > I have set the antenna 0.5m above ground as NEC2 does not like radials > on the ground. I have used "real ground". Has anyone compared the > calculated Source impedances to real-world measurements at 500kHz? I am > trying to understand the likely range of impedances that I need to match > over and hence the ATU types I need to employ and the components needed. > > Any modelling tips will be welcome. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG013-a104a2115b6286; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:17:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG052-a104a2115b6286; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:17:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMYR-0000HK-Mw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:16:47 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMYR-0000HA-5V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:16:47 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.70]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAMYO-00089f-R8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:16:47 +0100 Received: (qmail 74122 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 11:16:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=c+tMt/t1fBcZUgR5O849JTs7aPvUrZOt80XEDCYSG40vhyVgVUFtpe00wMn3nMZSoEGnzaxqqDHLYy/h5/BQXjFLl/q/b46uSGuPxHCjHrm7cg2ZLtJk7AvVPaJ7kdzpBeShs9Hxr6Ucj3Lba5UfTp3fJ2YLqAg7/1FLg4J45d4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.141.127.128 with login) by smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 11:16:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xi00KYEVM1mGUa2vgla9Z0N56jFTcTmLngOrDhekHmoncXav8XO6mH2ldIq5KT5KDNZL2dYyipvjsUnkfFtf_ougokTrFgWFpBzzS5.4iCP7AGsLiBED5LLih85JplhfyOZu3OLkd.qF0Yfn_C5tyf0BSBu5bHfqho3sLFVa3xfxCUdugQkL2InmOLB.q5p.II080QyRrAY3LOcphh3hy.Vv8U3uDMmDF0GKr7C1Ww4uZRUqGAkaeByQZkslS2vNNGKlNSP5mLdvqRKtK7BZXl4KiauRG68K28p9sRvP.bib9YfQGFl.2otbJqrFbFQ4RqMtQHErCRp1SPYqJrtJ4O1leGtaci6KgkN7G4xAIgnUpbVx9dIi6X8U5fN4IG_D1vkDfotlBQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:16:53 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C9E120.84819E20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C9E120.84819E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Laurie, I've just found a link to QuartzLab, who will handle small orders and one-offs.For example from their web-page, crystals in the range 2.0 to 4.0 MHz are �14.03 Go to:- http://www.quartslab.com/ 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 30 May 2009 11:53 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Information Laurie, McKnight and Hy-Q used to advertise in RadCom. They may still be trading. Addresses below. IQD are also around, but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like us! What frequency/style are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector probably has what you need. McKnight Crystals...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY 01703-848961 ENGLAND Hy-Q Intrnational (UK) Ltd. (44) 01223-834444 Fax: (44) 01223-834589. http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/ 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence mayhead Sent: 30 May 2009 11:42 To: rsgb Subject: LF: Information Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? Any ideas thanks Laurie G3AQC ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C9E120.84819E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Laurie,

I've=20 just found a link to QuartzLab, who will handle small orders and one-offs.Fo= r=20 example from their=20 web-page, crystals in the range 2.0 to  4.0 MHz a= re=20 =A314.0= 3

Go=20 to:-

http://www.quartslab.com/

73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave=20 G3WCB
Sent: 30 May 2009 11:53
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: Information=20 <crystals>

Laurie,

McKnight and Hy-Q used to advertise in RadCom. They=20 may still be trading. Addresses below.

IQD=20 are also around, but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like=20 us!

What=20 frequency/style are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector probably ha= s=20 what you need.

Mc= Knight Cry= stals...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY 01703-848961 ENGLAND

Hy-Q Intrnational (UK= ) Ltd. (44) 01223-834444 Fax: (44) 01223-834589.

http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/

7<= SPAN class=3D898214710-30052009>3, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence=20 mayhead
Sent: 30 May 2009 11:42
To:=20 rsgb
Subject: LF: Information

Does anybody= =20 manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days?
I have trawled=20 Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!!
Nothing in Radcom= .=20 What's happened to companies like QCC ?
Any ideas thanks
Laurie=20 G3AQC
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C9E120.84819E20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF042-5334a1a7590302; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:40:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF026-5334a1a7590302; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:40:18 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Xaj-00043J-KT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:39:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Xaj-00043A-8T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:39:37 +0100 Received: from mhost01h.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.77.238]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Xah-0003bj-FO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:39:37 +0100 Received: from APOLLO1.ds.leeds.ac.uk (apollo1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.5.4]) by mhost01h.leeds.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PAef4a006093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:40:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([fe80::39ce:23e:d0b5:7e24]) by APOLLO1.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.5.4]) with mapi; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:39:29 +0100 From: Chris Trayner To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:35:20 +0100 Thread-Topic: Re: Wavemeters Thread-Index: AcnWENnJDaSHm3vLSw+TZgDDDV1r4QHE6cJO Message-ID: <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11CEAA5881A@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk> References: <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11229299AE3@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk>,<004901c9d610$1b647900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <004901c9d610$1b647900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: Wavemeters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Mal, > What model Chrs ? Sorry for the delay in replying. The front panel says "Wavemeter class D. No 1 Mk 2/1". It's in a green metal case about 19x18x15 cms with a hinged lid. 73, Chris G4OKW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG083-5f34a03550d2d0; Thu, 07 May 2009 17:39:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG098-5f34a03550d2d0; Thu, 07 May 2009 17:39:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2BIp-0003H4-MF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:38:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2BIp-0003Gv-99 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:38:51 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2BIn-00034G-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:38:50 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896E151C006 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 23:38:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB1C31E702 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 23:38:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id B607F5A06; Thu, 7 May 2009 23:38:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 39.182-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (39.182-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.182.39]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 07 May 2009 23:38:37 +0200 Message-ID: <20090507233837.zvc6sysze3ccogos@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 23:38:37 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425><20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be><004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus><20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be><004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506225829.1vrsvh9ozjwcwog8@webmail 4.kuleuven.be><351E24E134154160986CF3C5CC07321A@2a2d7ed321c6425><20090507152132.C17FE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <20090507225725.232kpy3wuaa5a8wc@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.182.39 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: AW: FM-Hell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gerhard, propagation seems to be better than last night. But also strong QRN. I could see most off my FM-Hell and the 21:20 UTC RTTY transmission =20 clearly on the G4WGT grabber. I had last RTTY transmission at 21:20 UTC and will close the station now. Thanks for the reports. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > Hello Rik, > > last transmission had some QSB and QRM. > Decoded only following fragments... > > CQ CQ CQ OR7T OR7T OR(T > PSE K > > Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI (JN59LN) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 22:57 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: AW: FM-Hell > > Hello Gerhard, > > thanks for the report. > MultiPsk can receive (and transmit) FM-Hell > > At 21:20 UTC I will change from FM-Hell to RTTY (50Hz shift / 23Bd as > last night). > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> >> Hello Rik, >> >> nice visible signal on waterfall at 20:40; >> Signal was also clear audible!!!!! >> >> Sri, I don't have installed a FM-Hell decoder; >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI (JN59LN) >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 17:22 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: LF: FM-Hell >> >> Dear all, >> >> I will do some FM-Hell transmissions tonight on 503.5kHz from 20:30 >> UTC til 21:20 UTC starting every 10 minutes. >> Between transmissions I will "listen" on the same frequency. >> Report are welcome. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG012-5b74a069b99109; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:17:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG038-5b74a069b99109; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:17:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M358p-0006jz-QG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:16:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M358p-0006jq-6O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:16:15 +0100 Received: from mail-fx0-f174.google.com ([209.85.220.174]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M358j-0007Pe-P9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:16:15 +0100 Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so3017141fxm.4 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:16:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7nbIlYjJ7tocE9RzBBpjLYmsONA/ruBnpc6uqfRZUNY=; b=s3ZNFsrbKeoOGQlwux8OulipgzYwqMMDuTcmbv3Tgy2bmg3JIJrppCicT3DCW/+eTc 3kwGG3HxNBUApdlC/QilXiF00aeOR+jaGSZwUNKVcMfLBiZL32Tt9a7+XmLxQnBHmeu/ By/fIuFN67OEo3OcxCiOS/AJU5uOXDBnDm474= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=PRpBau5LCnxAAL14j8CFog/1bVixn7fpYRbMcjt0zJmOyUY2fCgq2K8vIopVIVkFI+ 7EWnobNsLnnsWAtHjaJ/qjhtrasoNXp1syGUuy2ejkqa4ebJ0ue4DGFyGbDQJspbBuvT k85m+QO3BIA6QDtxdVewphd1H/Kmldr2UaH8M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.212 with SMTP id n20mr5585921bkq.138.1241946963297; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:16:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:16:03 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: Fw:Re: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d999da93c83b04698b4f3a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d271.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6d999da93c83b04698b4f3a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G3GNR is not far from Dartmoor - a well known microwavge operator, as is G8BKE. They're all moving to MF! Andy G4JNT wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom 2009/5/10 dave > > Richard, Andy, LF, > > > I can hear the G4JNT beacon clearly in South Devon with a 2m tuned loop > during the daytime, and that's probably more like 250km. G3XIZ is also a > strong daytime signal, again at over 250km. I also heard G3GNR very strongly > calling G8BKE at 2140 utc on Tuesday 5 May, but I don't know his QTH. > > The best way of getting started is to set up a sked via this reflector and > take it from there. You can also look at the G3XZM and G4WGT online > "grabbers" to see if there is any activity. > > 73, Dave G3WCB at temorary QTH, Dartmouth S Devon. > > > ----- Original message ----- > Sent: 2009/05/09 10:09:17 > Subject: Re: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable > > Dear Richard, > > With only about 40 odd NoVs in existence, and not all active, there > probably > are not many within 100km of you! But rather more than 100km is not unusual > > during daytime, so don't worry too much. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Newstead" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable > > > > Richard Newstead wrote: > >> > >> Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in > >> Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? > >> > > Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I also play)? > > Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me? > > > > 73 > > > > Richard > > G3CWI > > > > > --0016e6d999da93c83b04698b4f3a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
G3GNR is not far from Dartmoor - a well known microwavge operator, as i= s G8BKE.=A0 They're all moving to MF!

Andy =A0G4JNT
wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom

=

2009/5/10 dave <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>

Richard, Andy, LF,

I can hear the G4JNT beacon clearly in South Devon with a=20= 2m tuned loop during the daytime, and that's probably more like 250km. G= 3XIZ is also a strong daytime signal, again at over 250km. I also heard G3GN= R very strongly calling G8BKE at 2140 utc on Tuesday 5 May, but I don't=20= know his QTH.

The best way of getting started is to set up a s= ked via this reflector and take it from there. You can also look at the G3XZ= M and G4WGT online "grabbers" to see if there is any activity.

73, Dave G3WCB at temorary QTH, Dartmouth S Devo= n.

----- Original message -----
Sent: 2009/05/09 10:09= :17
Subject: Re: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable

Dear Richard,

With only about 40 odd NoVs in existence, and not all active, there prob= ably
are not many within 100km of you! But rather more than 100km is not= unusual
during daytime, so don't worry too much.

Cheers, Ji= m Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard New= stead"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:13 AM
Subject: Re= : LF: 500kHz Portable

> Richard Newstead wrote:
>>=20=
>> Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in
&g= t;> Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? >>
> Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I= also play)?
> Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me?
>
= > 73
>
> Richard
> G3CWI
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--0016e6d999da93c83b04698b4f3a-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME032-9b14a00a866126; Tue, 05 May 2009 16:58:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME045-9b14a00a866126; Tue, 05 May 2009 16:58:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1Rhn-0003TE-2O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:57:35 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1Rhm-0003T5-EZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:57:34 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1Rhl-0006UW-Jc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:57:34 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDAB51C003 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3039E31E702 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C904D5B9C; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.65.71.240]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 Message-ID: <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.65.71.240 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gerhard, thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > Hello Rik, > > Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. > > Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test > > Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. > I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC > and listen inbetween. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Rik Strobbe : > >> Hello Gary, LF, >> >> I just had a first transmission. >> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >>> OK Rik, >>> >>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor, > I >>> normally use TrueTTY. >>> >>> Thanks for the info. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Gary, LF, >>> >>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>> The way I did it: >>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>> is the audio frequency you get) >>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR > BPF >>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>> do that in the main screen. >>> >>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>> forget to select reverse mode). >>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>> >>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>> Hello Gary, >>>> >>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>> provide a robust signal. >>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>> >>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal > needs >>> to >>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>> partial decode. >>>>> >>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>> >>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using >>> 85Hz. >>>>> >>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>> >>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>>>> and options. >>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>> bandwidth. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>> >>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>> locator >>>>>> :- >>>>>> >>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>> >>>>>> dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>> 21UTC >>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE072-4d84a1edb0532e; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:42:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE055-4d84a1edb0532e; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:42:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9kX9-0003Ku-3Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:40:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9kX8-0003Kl-Iu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:40:54 +0100 Received: from mail-qy0-f131.google.com ([209.85.221.131]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9kX2-0001Zn-IT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:40:53 +0100 Received: by qyk37 with SMTP id 37so2000843qyk.30 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:40:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d280.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal, There is only ONE B-29 that is still considered airworthy (out of nearly 4,000 B-29's built). The one airworthy B-29 "Fifi" is in need of an engine overhaul. http://www.cavanaughflightmuseum.com/B-29_B-24_Press_Release_1-21-08 I have seen the Enola Gay at the Air and Space Museum's Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center at Dulles Airport outside of Washington, D.C. http://collections.nasm.si.edu/code/emuseum.asp?profile=3Dobjects&newstyle= =3Dsingle&quicksearch=3DA19500100000 I have a photo of the Enola Gay signed by Col. Tibbets as well. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:28 AM, mal hamilton wrote= : > Interesting info Warren. > All of my old Airforce equipment RAF and USAF is in very good condx.and I > know how to use it. > All I need is a B29 to check it out AIR to GROUND. > Mal/G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF > > >> The BC-306 tuning is a good one too. Inside it is a tapped coil + >> variometer, maximum inductance about 1.2 mH. >> >> http://www.questmasters.us/B-24_Page_3.html >> http://eshop1.chem.buffalo.edu/600-Meter-TX.html >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 6:47 AM, mal hamilton >> wrote: >>> >>> Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 called MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER >>> AIRCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with 200 feet trailing wir= e >>> antenna. >>> Contains variometer, switches and vac relay. >>> I have a nice specimen at my QTH. >>> Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching. >>> Maybe someone has used one in a B29 >>> >>> G3KEV >>> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/27/09 > 18:21:00 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de09.mx.aol.com (rly-de09.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.145]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-5004a04979d1af; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:35:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE095-5004a04979d1af; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:35:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Wmm-0006s2-P6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:35:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Wmm-0006rt-C2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:35:12 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.191] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Wmj-0000Jh-Kh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:35:11 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3619.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CCD0D7000088 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:35:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.36.218]) by mwinf3619.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 8D5467000087 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:35:04 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090508203504578.8D5467000087@mwinf3619.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> <00b101c9d01b$bbd34790$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <00b101c9d01b$bbd34790$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:34:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Gary Ive never used this mode , but looks like a good narrow system , would go via most cw filters ? may of seen it on 160 ? G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary - G4WGT" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:29 PM To: Subject: RE: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > Graham, LF, > > It looks a little over the 100Hz bandwidth, viewing using Fldigi & SpecLab > it looks to 120Hz. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham > Sent: 08 May 2009 21:10 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > > Ok Gary , > > What do you make the BW ? looks to be just 100 Hz close in > > ? > > Tnx - G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gary - G4WGT" > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:59 PM > To: > Subject: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > >> >> Hi Graham, LF, >> >> Coming in here no problem. >> >> CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham >> Sent: 08 May 2009 20:05 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent >> >> >> Narrow , MFSK 4 running 503.000 cent freq >> >> tx set 502.000 usb / 1000 hz audio cent >> >> FLDIGI software >> >> 100 Hz bw ? how wide do you make it ? >> >> tnx- Graham >> >> G0NBD >> >> IO83LK >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2103 - Release Date: >> 05/07/09 > >> 18:05:00 >> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 > 11:43:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de09.mx.aol.com (rly-de09.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.145]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE014-5034a03e14564; Fri, 08 May 2009 03:37:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE098-5034a03e14564; Fri, 08 May 2009 03:37:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2KdG-00047b-AL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 08:36:34 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2KdF-00047S-UH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 08:36:33 +0100 Received: from smtp130.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.107.113]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2KdF-0002mv-Gs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 08:36:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 22272 invoked from network); 8 May 2009 07:35:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=KA4YwewDjqxEM+TSwsh52U5xCuj6wpvlFMUwTbu/CKLyBibmVsV+eOHY7PyHCbONGG3oAfe5AZYw7pYe2GHJXqWyC4wkQdZd1SrGCNxqGtLbOPfSYgjMPDZ7/kdVtKVrzOaFEEh9/w5RGSnsOQcVuyTQAwoYFKGCtm3WPIcc0Ho= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.133.80.138 with login) by smtp130.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2009 07:35:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rfZqB7sVM1kk5GFpmukZs9rnA5HcjNZ.Wykni21hEZM.KA5LG9A0FLYBfDTYxmp0Ov6R.YL0gOfnsHsVvUCHbjedbYdCry7Vxeph9sKi0j8HOJZOtEqDsJZTH6lH79yUjyz.hwNuHWUpCqL6zXgcN.IrDRQ2tIPI9ab6WKWegZqk9qIJUFSPFLZuan7rS3Ts5C1qCoYeD9QMQvm_gnsf7L9Qc43yVZVK9Vwh3AQNbKNQ2u4O0kxXpU.mWCR0fxzt.WoW5TkPiDrSab2ljjGAronLbq8kaazZZGyEsp.2SLPNJKXlYDPdcu.EEJ5ZIG1KiHI6NOuJ5Zuko2gFdWY8vD4c7DYDnP1lYG2qL9OD9dA- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <7E9EF6659F2F4E9CB5EC8782B4572B69@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 08:35:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear all. I am still active in Luton, locator IO91TV, on 500kHz running 100mW ERP. 73 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:58 PM Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable > Dear all > > My 600m NoV has been confirmed and is in the post. I have the parts for > the transmitter and an ATU. I have kites and plenty of wire. > > Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in > Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df10.mx.aol.com (rly-df10.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.23]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-5804a0091a13c9; Tue, 05 May 2009 15:21:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF103-5804a0091a13c9; Tue, 05 May 2009 15:21:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1QBa-0002Yu-9I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:20:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1QBZ-0002Yl-Q2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:20:13 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f213.google.com ([209.85.217.213]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1QBV-0001MP-0P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:20:13 +0100 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so10430498gxk.4 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:19:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=R6Q4GhiFemhM49YcAW0vnpNsNDgCwElP4vz9RdH9MmA=; b=MtThB9vdZshd5TBa0PPvtVvgY5zI62l9rVjFE6xtsJ0urR3rCMSC2TrhHBPNUys716 x2EtdCmWkla6BH+BYRvtHhSTr4R3cLWY8Y2MY1UtdCAaZYSnFPPLfh4mtake9kLIf6TV ITNimnbZApi5WxdNv/JGeV+4KshJr1Qfw5MDQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=uAfd5LhiHHFhHnX0vAuK5yVDNVQU0/lZg2OyU9zwfopKAXAevSgYIUr+FN4qI4+Wyt HEyS6bz7Xod92N4Iak9EI9bA3Qq7pEk5oJztgFdGXJzceUggS8qB1Fw17UjYaDzOZjqK loFsgj6SXNISkMpkhlS9FQsNS6MlBMUleBuko= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.72.13 with SMTP id z13mr137097ybk.168.1241551140089; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:19:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CB9BC255FD96DE-10B0-1974@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> References: <88d2415e0905041311m2b3902d4m19e5460371c5ff88@mail.gmail.com> <4A006EFC.3010401@ukonline.co.uk> <8CB9BC255FD96DE-10B0-1974@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:19:00 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905051219o42756e56yfba42ee60bb09add@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Racal 5501 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f17acacf07b04692f26a6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_20_30, HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m212.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f17acacf07b04692f26a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi David, I presume that was one of the diodes in the Guard circuit? Actually I've moved the units around, and its definately the unit, not its location. But thanks anyway. 73 Laurie. 2009/5/5 > Hi Laurie. > > I recall that when I first powered up my Decca, it had low output on one > module. That turned out to be a blown diode in the power recovery unit. - > It's been so long I've forgotten the full detail. > > 73 > > David > > Hi Laurie, > I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the > fault is clear - it just has blown power FETs. > You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the > two faulty ones > I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the moment > > Regards > > Peter, G3LDO > > > > Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments > > that I could buy? > > One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to > > about a third, > > so far can't find the fault. > > 73 Laurie G3AQC > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Dodd > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:53 > Subject: Re: LF: Racal 5501 > > Hi Laurie, > I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the > fault is clear - it just has blown power FETs. > You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the > two faulty ones > I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the moment > > Regards > > Peter, G3LDO > > > > Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments > > that I could buy? > > One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to > > about a third, > > so far can't find the fault. > > 73 Laurie G3AQC > > > ------------------------------ > Click here to get the very > best of AOL, including news, sport, gossip, lifestyles updates and email. > --001e680f17acacf07b04692f26a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi David,
I presume that was one of the diodes in the Guard circuit? Actu= ally I've moved the units around, and its definately the unit,
=A0not= its location. But thanks anyway.
73 Laurie.

2009/5/5 <g0mrf@aol.c= om>

Hi Lau= rie,=A0
I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the fau= lt is clear - it just has blown power FETs.=A0
You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the tw= o faulty ones=A0
I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the momen= t=A0
=A0
Regards=A0
=A0
Peter, G3LDO=A0
>=A0
> Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments &= gt; that I could buy?=A0
> One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to=20= > about a third,=A0
> so far can't find the fault.=A0
> 73 Laurie G3AQC=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Dodd <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:53
Subject: Re: LF: Racal 5501

Hi= Laurie,=A0
I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the fau= lt is clear - it just has blown power FETs.=A0
You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the tw= o faulty ones=A0
I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the momen= t=A0
=A0
Regards=A0
=A0
Peter, G3LDO=A0
>=A0
> Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments &= gt; that I could buy?=A0
> One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to=20= > about a third,=A0
> so far can't find the fault.=A0
> 73 Laurie G3AQC=A0
=A0

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--001e680f17acacf07b04692f26a6-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (rly-mf09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.179]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF043-98049fb7ce02aa; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:51:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF096-98049fb7ce02aa; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:51:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M01Yh-0004m6-4o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:50:19 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M01Yg-0004lx-LV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:50:18 +0100 Received: from imr-m07.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.209]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M01Yf-00020P-8w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:50:18 +0100 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-m07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-349fb7c933e5; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:49:55 -0400 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.bb9.43600fc6 (37074) for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Black (g229118221.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.118.221]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB058-90d249fb7c7868; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:49:29 -0400 Message-ID: <58B94240067A4567AF090D36CEC75971@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 00:49:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Big signal RU6LA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C9CABF.D7C891A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C9CABF.D7C891A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed, excellent here as well, up to about 6 uV/m! And the QRN has gone down no= w. Don't be confused by the 0.09 Hz sidebands visible on my grabber, they ar= e only a modulation artifact from the noise blanker acting on the periodic D= CF39 telegrams. Markus, DF6NM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 12:23 AM Subject: LF: Big signal RU6LA Hello Ed, LF! Your signal is 35dB over the noise. It is unbelievable signal here. I just see FB signal "WPF"=20 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:32:07 +0400 > From: ed@dx.ru > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: RU beacons May 1-2 >=20 > Dear LF enthusiasts! >=20 > I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z, > on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3. >=20 > QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May) > abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical) > QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop) >=20 > Reports welcome >=20 > 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru >=20 >=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- P=F8et=E1hn=ECte si fotografie p=F8=EDmo do chatu v Messenger. Jak se do d= =ECl=E1. Klikni zde!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C9CABF.D7C891A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ed, excellent here as well= , up to=20 about 6 uV/m! And the QRN has gone down now. Don't be confused by=20 the 0.09 Hz sidebands visible on my grabber, they are only a=20 modulation artifact from the noise blanker acting on the periodic DCF39= =20 telegrams.

Markus, DF6NM

----- Original Message -----

Lubos OK2= BVG=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 12:23=20 AM

Subject: LF: Big signal RU6LA

Hello Ed, LF!
Your signal is 35dB over the noise. It is=20 unbelievable signal here.
I just see FB signal "WPF"=20

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

> Date: Wed, 29 Apr= =20 2009 23:32:07 +0400
> From: ed@dx.ru=
> To: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org
>=20 Subject: LF: RU beacons May 1-2
>
> Dear LF enthusiasts!
&= gt;=20
> I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z,
= >=20 on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3.
>
> QTH: Macht= a,=20 KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May)
> abt 5W ERP (100W ou= tput=20 in Big Vertical)
> QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start &=20 stop)
>
> Reports welcome
>
> 73! Ed RU6LA=20 136.73.ru
>
>

P=F8et=E1hn=ECte si fotografie p=F8=EDmo do chatu v Messenger. Jak se do d= =ECl=E1. Kl= ikni zde!=20
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Hi Warren,Lf

strong signal and nice capture,

Henny pa3cpm

best 73s.
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 21-05.jpg

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20:22:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GcwC5nMVM1lnC_3y7fUM.EPXrO5j6ulDXWx5_N3L2QBs79TlLWoZx.g0hqrr2aqTzrWjQh9c7GA.SP0mZMYCtucJTjSrapf1WxaVi2TTEzjKYb2VrIm602YGrJpHKGF_ywC6IWN4RBOZ7h86fH2dM96HXIRp4XF1z4k.pM5FW890kbwPg67E7EuHBsk2dPGniuniwrzRcVDBIdYmOVN.EmYCKtBh41.CA5PpLAZN3knTYsRF04j9qWCB_1k78kLbyW.84Z0_3xHsVqlO78nMs_AQKEPEgSjXPErotFGwcHDxPW0EeNDxb6G9Gi6KfnTwDQ3qYyYvQyi544eDgGbinGo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <8ACED3BED0484971A82257CCD4C67FF1@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:22:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Laurence, LF Group, Do you know if Hiroshi and the JA people have been able to copy DCF 39 et al? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence BY3A-KL1X China" To: Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:57 PM Subject: LF: JA ops Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites - fyi 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME072-9c74a12cc5c1ce; Tue, 19 May 2009 11:12:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME073-9c74a12cc5c1ce; Tue, 19 May 2009 11:12:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6QyJ-0005Vg-R8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 16:11:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6QyJ-0005VX-AU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 16:11:15 +0100 Received: from [80.68.4.13] (helo=dx.ru) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6QyF-0002py-Jh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 16:11:14 +0100 Received: from 238.41.117.87.donpac.ru ([87.117.41.238] helo=192.168.1.3) by dx.ru with esmtpa auth=ed@dx.ru id 1M6Qy4-000JOp-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 19:11:01 +0400 Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:10:00 +0400 From: Ed RU6LA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.7) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <4310686834.20090519191000@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <8ACED3BED0484971A82257CCD4C67FF1@JimPC> References: <8ACED3BED0484971A82257CCD4C67FF1@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Re: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Jim and LF enthusiasts! M0BMU wrote 19.05.2009, 0:22 MSK(GMT+3h): ....... JM> Do you know if Hiroshi and the JA people have been able to copy DCF 39 e= t JM> al? ......... I'm informed Mori JH1GVY abt DCF39 http://www003.upp.so-net.ne.jp/JH1GVY/lf-top.html It yet has not informed on reception of DCF39 in JA Some Mori's LF data on his site is very interesting Mori also 160m enthusiast Mal G3KEV, do you work Mori on 160m? 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (rly-mb02.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.155]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB041-cee4a19338d13b; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:46:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB022-cee4a19338d13b; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:46:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8C9C-0007gX-3r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:45:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8C9B-0007gO-O5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:45:45 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr01.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8C98-0007jM-AX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:45:44 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2beaomr01.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id DNG22710; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:45:33 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 12:45:36 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr01.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0208.4A19335D.02F5,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > Jim > I did not say an inv L virtually lying on the ground as in Richards > case(1 METRE ABOVE GROUND), this is more like a beverage antenna. This is all very interesting. I have spent an hour in a darkened room contemplating suitable antennas (well not quite). Comments from experts welcome: 1) T antenna. Am I right in thinking that in the classical T configuration, the horizontal part of the aerial is only there to add capacity - i.e. it makes no contribution to the groundwave? If so, I assume that I can use very thin wire for the T? 2) In the more likely configuration with "horizontal" wires actually acting as an inverted V can I still use very thin wire without reducing performance? 3) Is there any benefit to be gained by having an inductor at the top of the vertical section of the T? If so, will the loss of the inductor be relevant if the part of the antenna above it (the T wires) don't contribute to useful radiation? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC091-b274a04651a318; Fri, 08 May 2009 13:00:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC063-b274a04651a318; Fri, 08 May 2009 13:00:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2TPu-0005eA-MZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:59:22 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2TPu-0005e1-5w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:59:22 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2TPs-0007z2-BY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:59:22 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao0GAHcBBEpOlV7E/2dsb2JhbACEUMwjgi2BUAU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.94.196]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 08 May 2009 17:59:13 +0100 Message-ID: <008301c9cffe$50615a50$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <88d2415e0905080655s4000e8fdyc08621bbb8686b45@mail.gmail.com> <005301c9cfee$2f3aab70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A0455FC.1000101@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:58:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Activity Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Where is our CONCERNED MAN ? now ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Activity > mal hamilton wrote: >> G3KEV, G3XIZ and G3DXZ are active nearly every day, also GI4DPE,GW3UEP >> and GW4HXO appear now and again plus others. >> I have heard you on the odd time but your signal is vy weak. >> > Mal > > I can hear you calling CQ on 500kHz right now. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2104 - Release Date: 05/08/09 06:34:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC081-b304a198801231; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:46:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC074-b304a198801231; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:46:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Hlu-0000Nc-Mm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:46:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Hlu-0000NT-B4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:46:06 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s10.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.210]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Hlr-00013g-Ed for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:46:05 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W49 ([64.4.56.149]) by BAY0-OMC3-S10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 24 May 2009 10:45:57 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:45:57 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2009 17:45:57.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E521210:01C9DC97] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b3d0ef3f-1fba-417a-813d-6bac9a5358dd_" Subject: RE: LF: SP2KDS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_b3d0ef3f-1fba-417a-813d-6bac9a5358dd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Marcin! I have called you, but nothing. Your signal is nice, I just see your CQ "OOO= ". Lubos, OK2BVG > From: bxi@go2.pl > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:39 +0200 > Subject: LF: SP2KDS >=20 > Dr LF Group! > We have now QRV 137,708kHz QRSS 3. >=20 > 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > SP2KDS Club >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Pou=BE=EDv=E1te Messenger? Pak tak=E9 pou=BE=EDv=E1te Windows Live. Chcete v= =ECd=ECt v=EDc?=20 http://www.microsoft.com/cze/windows/windowslive/=3D --_b3d0ef3f-1fba-417a-813d-6bac9a5358dd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Marcin!
I have called you, but nothing. Your signal is nice, I just= see your CQ "OOO".

Lubos, OK2BVG

> From: bxi@go2.pl
>= ; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:39 += 0200
> Subject: LF: SP2KDS
>
> Dr LF Group!
> We ha= ve now QRV 137,708kHz QRSS 3.
>
> 73! Marcin SQ2BXI
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Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z= Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde! =3D --_b3d0ef3f-1fba-417a-813d-6bac9a5358dd_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD012-9004a09d35d3cc; Tue, 12 May 2009 15:52:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD048-9004a09d35d3cc; Tue, 12 May 2009 15:51:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3y0S-0005b8-MC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:51:16 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3y0S-0005az-5y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:51:16 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3y0Q-0007Ih-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:51:16 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkoGAMdvCUpOluEC/2dsb2JhbACCJi2BfYc+BsIWhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.225.2]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 20:50:05 +0100 Message-ID: <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 20:48:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 acty Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C9D343.11358700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C9D343.11358700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Dave Several UK stns active at present around 502.5 daylight, hi speed cw, too ea= rly for DX. The trouble at present are the long daylight hours for DX. Middle of night would be best over here but we all asleep by then hi I can hear the usual chorous of EU beacons on 505 day and nite. Sri I cannot= help at present. Gl with ur DX=20 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dave.riley3=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 acty Mel, Any net call ups on 502 - 7033 broadcast mode?? Picture us here in the new world on a ship and can only get back on 7mc. h= f... Give us a break, will ya... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: LF: 500 acty Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G3CWI and G3KEV all on hi speed CW. Mal/G3KEV ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09= 16:14:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C9D343.11358700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Dave

Several UK stns active at present around 50= 2.5=20 daylight, hi speed cw, too early for DX. The trouble at present are the long= =20 daylight hours for DX.

Middle of night would be best over here but= we all=20 asleep by then hi

I can hear the usual chorous of EU beacons=20= on 505=20 day and nite. Sri I cannot help at present.

Gl with ur DX

73 mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

dave.riley3

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:35 PM=

Subject: LF: Re: 500 acty

Mel, Any net call ups on 502 - 7033 broadcast=20 mode??

Picture us here in the new world on a ship and= can=20 only get back on 7mc. hf...

Give us a break, will ya...

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 m= al=20 hamilton

To: rsgb=

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:21=20 PM

Subject: LF: 500 acty

Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G3C= WI and=20 G3KEV all on hi speed CW.

Mal/G3KEV

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Releas= e=20 Date: 05/11/09 16:14:00
------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C9D343.11358700-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF013-58e4a17b379f9; Sat, 23 May 2009 04:27:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF117-58e4a17b379f9; Sat, 23 May 2009 04:27:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7mZJ-0002VV-4m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:27:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7mZI-0002VM-Lt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:27:00 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7mZD-0003gA-7Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:26:59 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuUFAD1QF0pcGmkw/2dsb2JhbACCJC6CAodCBoFJxFiECwU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.26.105.48]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 09:26:47 +0100 Message-ID: <003401c9db80$36bea390$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <8CBA943F0C92715-A70-10C3@WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:26:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: CQ DX 500k Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C9DB88.983DEC40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_30_40, HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C9DB88.983DEC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David That sounds good. I have found 7Mhz good to to the USA evening and night tim= e. I have not tried 10 Mhz but it could be useful to avoid contest acty. Good luck=20 de Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g0mrf@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; G1KAW@aol.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:29 PM Subject: LF: CQ DX 500k Hi all. Can anyone on the East Coast USA comment of the state of 501 -504kHz for t= ransatlantic reception? I have confirmed availability of a large field in East Sussex for this Sun= day night for some portable operation. If I have to select a frequency, then I may as well choose a clear one pos= sibly in the mid - upper portion of the band say 503.1 One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well establish= ed 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. - So may have to go to 10MHz for that, o= r we do have 400W + 16 ele on 2m at 600 ft ASL which should be fine for ON /= F / PA western DL. Locator will be JO00EW near Dallington East Sussex. Power 0 - 250 Watts, antenna dependent. - Aim +10dBW peak ERP Main purpose of this trip is the antenna experiment, but it would be nice=20= to make some CW / QRSS3 QSOs too. Site location can be seen here. http://www.vhfdx.net/callbook/gmap.php?Lan=3DE&Call=3DG1KAW/P&Loc=3DJO00EW phone / text 07958502540. e-mail g0mrf@aol.com. Internet available on si= te. Thanks David ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Click here to get the very best of AOL, including news, sport, gossip, lif= estyles updates and email.=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.36/2127 - Release Date: 05/21/09= 17:51:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C9DB88.983DEC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
David

That sounds good. I have found 7Mhz good to= to the=20 USA evening and night time. I have not tried 10 Mhz but it could be useful t= o=20 avoid contest acty.

Good luck

de Mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

g0mrf@aol.com <= /DIV>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org ;=20 G1KAW@aol.com <= /DIV>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:29 PM=

Subject: LF: CQ DX 500k

= Hi=20 all.

Can anyone on the East Coast USA comment of the state of 501 -504kHz=20= for=20 transatlantic reception?

I have confirmed availability of a large field in East Sussex for thi= s=20 Sunday night for some portable operation.

If I have to select a frequency, then I may as well choose a clear on= e=20 possibly in the mid - upper portion of the band say 503.1

One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well=20 established 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. - So may have to go to 10MHz=20= for=20 that, or we do have 400W + 16 ele on 2m at 600 ft ASL which should=20 be fine for ON / F / PA western DL.

Locator will be JO00EW nea= r=20 Dallington East Sussex.
Power 0 - 250 Watts, antenna dependent. - Aim=20 +10dBW peak ERP

Main purpose of this trip is the antenna=20 experiment, but it would be nice to make some CW / QRSS3 QSOs too.

= Site=20 location can be seen here.
http://www.vhfdx.net/= callbook/gmap.php?Lan=3DE&Call=3DG1KAW/P&Loc=3DJO00EW

pho= ne=20 / text 07958502540. e-mail g0mrf@aol.com. Internet available on=20 site.

Thanks

David

Click here t= o get=20 the very best of AOL, including news, sport, gossip, lifestyles updates an= d=20 email.

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.36/2127 - Releas= e=20 Date: 05/21/09 17:51:00
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C9DB88.983DEC40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc04.mx.aol.com (rly-mc04.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.88]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC023-d6e4a0c3c272c1; Thu, 14 May 2009 11:43:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC046-d6e4a0c3c272c1; Thu, 14 May 2009 11:43:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4d5E-0006yu-Vj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:42:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4d5E-0006yl-Hj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:42:56 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f180.google.com ([209.85.219.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4d5A-0000R6-8J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:42:55 +0100 Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so1934484ewy.4 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 08:42:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/JM+NW7YdJC5dntY1EDJx+GXfPKG+nSVS133uoA4hts=; b=TcGws+x06RcR4GSBVkyOVsv6BwFOxx82bbEqf93+83VULH7/9qHMV7U3Q0DUM0Q1va 5hiRDCssh95Wirn8V9R9/qgtJT6BUDGgpRVQiFK6QVsQISDi96ojNqIr5d2UkYosV5Du sTi/Q59VcQERvPzWzGHr0wSvG880dSIU1yG4g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=iKithI3ucN4CGBdDju8HI026vb5KXUklQzUetr9ioXo/7kHNjUhKemyWFN/jCo8FIs YfiTGY32coHYPEanbmivfuGUcqR8A3WOnXPaCRbqXB0RpQzlJQHqFtoVjIIVJFAdcylU S0Uzg7H0e8rWXA/TphcVsi4smjC/IchUmDF/Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.73.85 with SMTP id u63mr950141wed.37.1242315766253; Thu, 14 May 2009 08:42:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <007201c9d4a3$7221df30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> <006401c9d3f0$729cf2f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A0B0633.4040302@btconnect.com> <007201c9d4a3$7221df30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:42:46 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410905140842j1abe6f46h464674c2e658aaeb@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502d377f24a9c0469e12de7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m271.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00504502d377f24a9c0469e12de7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Finbar and Rog run their beacons around 501.3, I don't think you'll upset anyone down there! Dave. 2009/5/14 mal hamilton > Richard > The data modes were causing you QRM and taking up 1 khz Bandwidth as well. > Draw your own conclusions. > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz > > > > mal hamilton wrote: >> >>> Richard >>> Your Beacon is in the middle of the CW qso area. If possible move to >>> the low band edge. >>> mal/g3kev >>> >>> >>> Hi Mal >> >> Comment noted. It was where the data tests were the other night so I >> thought it might be OK (it is narrower than they were). Where would folk >> recommend for tests of this sort? >> >> 73 >> >> Richard >> G3CWI >> >> >> -- >> SOTA Beams >> Quality products for Radio Amateurs >> http://www.sotabeams.co.uk >> >> Tel: 01625-425700 >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.27/2111 - Release Date: 05/12/09 > 18:03:00 > > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --00504502d377f24a9c0469e12de7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Finbar and Rog run their beacons around 501.3, I don't think you'll=20= upset anyone down there!

Dave.

2009= /5/14 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>

Richard
The data modes were causing you QRM and taking up 1 khz Bandwidth as well. Draw your own conclusions.
de mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" <g3cwi@btconnect.com>= ;
To: <rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz

mal hamilton wrote:

Richard
Your Beacon is in the middle of the CW qso area. If possible move to
the low band edge.
mal/g3kev

Hi Mal

Comment noted. It was where the data tests were the other night so I
thought it might be OK (it is narrower than they were). Where would folk
recommend for tests of this sort?

73

Richard
G3CWI

--
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Tel: 01625-425700

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--00504502d377f24a9c0469e12de7-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD053-8e24a0d1cde53; Fri, 15 May 2009 03:42:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD012-8e24a0d1cde53; Fri, 15 May 2009 03:42:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4s2a-0006j9-Cf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 08:41:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4s2Z-0006j0-Sm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 08:41:11 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4s2X-0004w8-FN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 08:41:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 57787 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 07:41:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=3RC6R9sLhHHykc9jPOLkXbV/FR+HGHwdb2oOl9Fdu+z50QDFmwC/mxpyw7pvmIdOFCe77s6cXPHviQ+2dQsq8SMBPW2LTk9/5vo5zjyae3dYAGgUz1huvn30bjiM2mmj4r5ONpG9ML/x5SV5gT7u4YKO/iwV0rdNeM3ejiNMOrI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.107.129 with login) by smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 07:41:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fszMIWkVM1mhdRIX9Q9Xf5EmCln.F97BeIdf7qyC7VkKqCM319yY5sbxWlM6cxMWM0Auy7rKGTqmAK.rjlU_jgn1LFKomGQfeogXs.QdAFofd7QbLLlxT21lDslvXV.gtgVQj1pCNusphVWQUGXrbV7h.9A1rvVEhXae4nc8k0DlGVudaMEVxtc9nE1oq9zuUW4SGWsXKPLN4Mii.l4A686V9Jdnqm08xedCEoSQbJKnz4Jr_stlUvmq2U0.5pBJsffcgOpiPEAbWNZunL_PPfbS9i_eMYrUTAVoWkBfeurREuqoIWaXUPGl X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <152A38FB9B49447A89485DB3D8D11C07@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <30FAE8BC34DF4B8695573FED392DE716@JimPC> <012601c9d4e1$add2c010$1c00a8c0@d600> In-Reply-To: <012601c9d4e1$add2c010$1c00a8c0@d600> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:41:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, The WSPR beacon closed down at 0700utc. Thanks for the reports overnight. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-d404a212e39225; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:02:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB124-d404a212e39225; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:01:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAOBN-00019h-Nq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:01:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAOBN-00019Y-5f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:01:05 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f170.google.com ([209.85.217.170]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAOBK-00009u-Sd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:01:05 +0100 Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so8837416gxk.4 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:00:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=tj0W+U4mqhUvJgVGCPuRMvTX1PoxtkeewJcbukdnRJE=; b=O/LqVofE32ae+qXkQdnzl55IVjZOlv/RTVYKBjMdpNrbcGxBSdF/rJOtWMnnr2bTKn pE63ut0iO1ogHvEptkxrKPrN48Ltt0oZP0YAN9Elm91wT+l8tmr+OmM6ko2/POT5G4Ii M7Kn3MttSgV7kLzIB55e7WluRroXMoky4lPcI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=JADL0pB/3af/gK9hWcZ6o950sEaVFpwUy1ZTVEBubv9ItvT/JHAsXvc6D/3PLSBoVR Xx5RXD1lGgWleXcOZTlmU6uKx1IgeuOi09296JTr/p71gR5qnn6A2M/pEQmJa18cmAzD tvQ4YeYU7UQZcBcd1S6e8fUQRwwHUUu7Cj2g4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.158.9 with SMTP id k9mr7451519ybo.53.1243688455743; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:00:55 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905300600w2b737336p5d1d8011d26c9501@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_SHORT_LENGTH=0.629 Subject: LF: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174ff5a49dab14046b20c851 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d232.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174ff5a49dab14046b20c851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanks for all the replies to my query. Looks like QuartzLab is best bet. 73 Laurie --0015174ff5a49dab14046b20c851 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanks for all the replies to my query.
Looks like QuartzLab is best bet.
73 Laurie
--0015174ff5a49dab14046b20c851-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF021-9414a0e81ce125; Sat, 16 May 2009 05:05:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF017-9414a0e81ce125; Sat, 16 May 2009 05:05:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5Foj-0001bS-SI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:04:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5Foj-0001bJ-BI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:04:29 +0100 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.153]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5Fof-0005Sm-QI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:04:28 +0100 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1372273ywk.64 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 02:03:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=a/izVQRSDOl2R50VzreaTvMJDA6LPg9/UBwr0ndesxE=; b=FkEShsoULed0whzPWmh+yn8hznJRUXsts5u1Gf9aClajUDpayW7RjLS1OGhl/ipt9G oHtLP99mbleB626e0P1dy+Wn2qks012YeDYxyz/Hr8oee/0jX9T3af8sb+MjlL33Ke2Z h0HEjAZNi23RBujku72akNU4ixsiGJGn3MOfU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ij5eQ1PSXK4uHBHKM7C0x1bYGIKW6584c+4+wgfYNnYD1+NcQ87c3cQBv4wMn1pzgM wmul+ev9+U9OTZ2HoziiDTa7f1CmNv6FHwZjjXUQ9E6SCMGwa5N0EkVNSQ6qOxKJIcs9 VScT5zSDbnfQxvU4Ahj9z7KSku/5ZGFaGsMaU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.73.10 with SMTP id a10mr7801529ybl.126.1242464604205; Sat, 16 May 2009 02:03:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1242429806.11120.6.camel@pat-desktop-dell> References: <007a01c9d58f$45a60e80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <1242429806.11120.6.camel@pat-desktop-dell> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:03:24 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905160203m1bbdd75bic052166eaa50566a@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: BC-221-T Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001b24be19506132d3046a03d525 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d233.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001b24be19506132d3046a03d525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I can probably still use a BC221 having used them at Hanslope Park in the 40's to set uo HRO's so that German stations that we were monitoring could be found. I still have one in the loft but not in such good order as Mal's I am afraid. 73 Laurie 2009/5/16 pat gillen > Mal, Alan 3nyk and myself were just discussing those a couple of days > ago. We wondered how many of us were left who knew how to use a BC221 or > similar het. unit. Don't think I can quite qualify as being old enough > to have known the man who made yours though. Better question, however, > is can you still read the initials on the cal charts? > > > > > On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 19:59 +0100, mal hamilton wrote: > > I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would make a nice OSC/driver for MF. > > It is mint condx but has not been used for years. Some will be > > familiar with this unit, vintage WWII made in the USA (ZENITH RADIO > > CORPORATION CHICAGO) Maybe someone knows the man that made it !! > > > > mal/g3kev > > > -- > 73 de Pat G4GVW > QTH Nr. Felixstowe > (East Coast of UK) > > > --001b24be19506132d3046a03d525 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,
I can probably still use a BC221 having used them at Hanslope Par= k in the 40's to set uo
HRO's so that German stations that we we= re monitoring could be found. I still have one in
the loft but not in suc= h good order as Mal's I am afraid.
73 Laurie

2009/5/16 pat gillen <g4gvw@aol.com>
Mal, Alan 3nyk and myself were just discussing those a couple of days
ago. We wondered how many of us were left who knew how to use a BC221 or
similar het. unit. Don't think I can quite qualify as being old enough to have known the man who made yours though. Better question, however,
is can you still read the initials on the cal charts?

On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 19:59 +0100, mal hamilton wrote:
> I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would make a nice OSC/driver for MF.<= br> > It is mint condx but has not been used for years. Some will be
> familiar with this unit, vintage WWII made in the USA (ZENITH RADIO
> CORPORATION CHICAGO) Maybe someone knows the man that made it !!
>
> mal/g3kev
>

--
73 de Pat G4GVW
QTH Nr. Felixstowe
(East Coast of UK)

--001b24be19506132d3046a03d525-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (rly-mb10.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.168]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB041-d2e4a01b43c86; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:01:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB102-d2e4a01b43c86; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:01:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jXn-0006PR-E9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:00:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jXn-0006PI-2P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:00:27 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1jXj-0004Qa-RV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:00:26 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhQFAKNQAUpOlrtw/2dsb2JhbACCJS6BfYc7BsUyhAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.187.112]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 06 May 2009 17:00:18 +0100 Message-ID: <008501c9ce63$c07ecf30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:59:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Decca 5501Jeep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01C9CE6B.F82FE240" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C9CE6B.F82FE240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The old decca Jeep 5501 cannot strand LMCW 120, 240 or dfcw for long, 3 or 1= 0 sec dot or normal cw is about their limit on full power. I have 2 units (6 modules) but prefer my home brew with robust FETS on 137 K= hz. I likewise have a h/brew fet pa for 500 Khz class E and it is virtually inde= structable when correctly adjusted using a scope. =20 G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C9CE6B.F82FE240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The old decca Jeep 5501 cannot strand LMCW=20= 120, 240=20 or dfcw for long, 3 or 10 sec dot or normal cw is about their limit on full=20 power.

I have 2 units (6 modules) but prefer my ho= me brew=20 with robust FETS on 137 Khz.

I likewise have a h/brew fet pa for 500&nbs= p;Khz=20 class E and it is virtually indestructable when correctly adjusted usin= g a=20 scope.

G3KEV
------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C9CE6B.F82FE240-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG084-5f34a0c90d931d; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:45:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG098-5f34a0c90d931d; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:44:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4iit-00021s-Ov for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:44:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4iit-00021j-A1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:44:15 +0100 Received: from mout3.freenet.de ([195.4.92.93]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4iis-0002mx-HF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:44:15 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.16] (helo=6.mx.freenet.de) by mout3.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #88) id 1M4iiq-00058I-MR; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:44:12 +0200 Received: from w16e4.w.pppool.de ([89.58.22.228]:1892 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 6.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M4iin-0000rO-Ki; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:44:12 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Cc: "'Gus'" References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2><010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com><833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> <20090513225952.e2nk4cqpm9kwokc4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> <51B7F2FA87A84383BB1A2166E4DF2A02@2a2d7ed321c6425> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 23:44:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcnUEWoSo3bemmHVQM61YgPyLViMZQAy3wng In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: AW: Re: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BLANK_LINES_70_80 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Gus, Again solid copy (54) in JN59LN this evening!!! Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI ====================== > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (rly-mf09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.179]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF043-9824a0548b6221; Sat, 09 May 2009 05:11:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF098-9824a0548b6221; Sat, 09 May 2009 05:11:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2iZd-0001LD-My for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 10:10:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2iZd-0001L4-4m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 10:10:25 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.73]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2iZb-0004kF-KR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 10:10:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 9815 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 09:09:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=NK5XPvY1sjbVuKZUX1EP0aQd3T1reHliZsD1fx4X7+R4oMx25JH4eANqY1Dwf/YBRDiFjehIj09Z4JmdujtgiQHnB+VRlF9c/onZYKUCmZ1Cvio3m0kYP6SiUHZFZUJ+vRauYokQZWwQuFsUkIijIXxz1McqwIGeZFKhSfmBHsM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.106.68 with login) by smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 09:09:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b.h4350VM1lICXlxNpTfUQ82ivjnNmwDBY6WjGlZJ_BG8Z9bBL77uvxfKN7elp.SyOWQcY8nOwmLAbAdNBkgnOcoah7x4_xOAbxhv8V4sf4J.8Q6VEASAIevO2RbXwMbfbXJhK0v32UcHHwWrOLJ7f4o8i0wMQMzWzU0kf_7n_fJMOfhM6_G53OzSs_pRXICIp14Dwqb1Fpsq6kSDApm9snDhmQTZ47kVcxMxLdbLfYImsXANSbXtsV83Jbv2dNA7ylqBBJjKi2VOsBgNE2Azq9XAbYrnve65vo5ejxFgDxhKOqBe0tHiMi9l_p3MM3afx5VfSfzDmbq6uXD78.1uciB X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <884ECEF9F7E84BE6AA746658BACD7BC0@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> <4A053B34.6050807@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A053B34.6050807@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 10:09:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Richard, With only about 40 odd NoVs in existence, and not all active, there probably are not many within 100km of you! But rather more than 100km is not unusual during daytime, so don't worry too much. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:13 AM Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable > Richard Newstead wrote: >> >> Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in >> Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? >> > Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I also play)? > Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (rly-mb02.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.155]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB014-cf44a10e479380; Mon, 18 May 2009 00:31:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB028-cf44a10e479380; Mon, 18 May 2009 00:30:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5uU0-0006ra-Mx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 05:29:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5uU0-0006rR-4x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 05:29:48 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.37]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5uTy-0000lG-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 05:29:47 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W11 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 17 May 2009 21:29:19 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.244.2] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:29:19 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4A1086FB.3050401@ukonline.co.uk> References: <4A1086FB.3050401@ukonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2009 04:29:19.0762 (UTC) FILETIME=[3636FF20:01C9D771] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_91b2558c-f1a4-472b-986a-b03a82fe988b_" Subject: RE: LF: JA ops X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_91b2558c-f1a4-472b-986a-b03a82fe988b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Peter - Very good, and Im sure it will be very well received. =20 Ive pointed Hiroshi to all the well known sites, but I know (and remember) h= ow daunting it must be/seem, and I think Ed has also been doing the same, th= ough that might have been another JA. =20 Still, Hiroshi's transmitting on 136.9 CW and Ive left my grabber on there=20= on slow speed to see if I can detect anything after dusk tonight - its a +-2= 000Kms all water path save Korea and a bumpy bit as it crosses Japan - as h= es on the East Coast, and yes Ill have the volume up as well... =20 WE2XPQ =20 Hoping to be active one way or another from home in Alaska in the middle of=20= June and will get something up in the air for 500 and 137kHz, thats if the m= oose and the bear leave me alone, togther with my other more pressing duties= . Ill have some noise mitigation to do but it isnt a bad start as we nixed t= he crud from DSL by filtering it as it comes out of the ground last time aro= und. That was making a mess of 500kHz. =20 Mal - I dont think Ill scare him off on the 10W ERP requirement! =20 Laurence KL1X in BY3A http://kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg =20 =20 > Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 22:51:55 +0100 > From: g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: JA ops >=20 > Hi Laurence, > It takes time and experience to learn how to get any sort of signal=20 > from very electrically small antennas and there has been very little=20 > information in Japanese on this subject. > I recall when working with Mike G3XDV at the RSGB we waited in vain for=20 > articles on LF after NOVs were issued in 1997 for 73kHz. From the=20 > pioneering work of G3XDV, G2AJV and G4JNT (to name but a few) signals=20 > only started to be heard on the band six or seven months after the NOVs=20 > were issued. > This should soon change. > I have been working with Taizo Arakawa, JA3AER to produce articles on=20 > the subject in the Japanese magazine CQ Ham Radio. > The first one was a general interest article '136kHz in the UK and=20 > Europe', published in April 1999. > Because the release of the 136kHz to Japanese amateurs was imminent I=20 > was asked do write a practical 'How to get started on 136kHz'. This was=20 > published in CQ Ham Radio May 2009. This also tended to be rather broad=20 > and general so a more detailed follow up article on the problems of=20 > using an electrically small antennas and the design of loading coils has=20 > been submitted. > I can put copies of these articles on my web site if anyone is=20 > interested but I guess I will first have to get the permission of the=20 > CQ Ham Radio editor. > The Japanese call this new band the 135kHz band. >=20 > Regards >=20 > Peter, G3LDO > > Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites=20 > > - fyi 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A > > From: ja3vqw Hiroshi > > Hi Laurence > > Thanks for your e-mail. > > Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho)=20 > > last month. > > I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO=20 > > with any station. > > I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz. > > So if you find my signal please QSL me. > > My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W. > > The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long. > > > > >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009=3D --_91b2558c-f1a4-472b-986a-b03a82fe988b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Peter - Very good, and Im sure it will be very well received.
Ive pointed Hiroshi to all the well known sites, but I know (and rememb= er) how daunting it must be/seem, and I think Ed has also been doing the sam= e, though that might have been another JA.

Still, Hiroshi's transmitting on 136.9 CW and Ive left my grabber on t= here on slow speed to see if I can detect anything after dusk tonight -= its a +-2000Kms all water path save Korea and a bumpy bit as it crosse= s Japan - as hes on the East Coast, and yes Ill have the volume up as=20= well...

WE2XPQ

Hoping to be active one way or another from home in Alaska in the middle of=20= June and will get something up in the air for 500 and 137kHz, thats if the m= oose and the bear leave me alone, togther with my other more pressing duties= . Ill have some noise mitigation to do but it isnt a bad start as we nixed t= he crud from DSL by filtering it as it comes out of the ground last time aro= und. That was making a mess of 500kHz.

Mal - I dont think Ill scare him off on the 10W ERP requirement!

Laurence KL1X in BY3A
http://kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg

> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 22:51:55 +0100
> From: g3ldo= @ukonline.co.uk
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re= : LF: JA ops
>
> Hi Laurence,
> It takes time and experie= nce to learn how to get any sort of signal
> from very electrically s= mall antennas and there has been very little
> information in Japanes= e on this subject.
> I recall when working with Mike G3XDV at the RSGB= we waited in vain for
> articles on LF after NOVs were issued in 199= 7 for 73kHz. From the
> pioneering work of G3XDV, G2AJV and G4JNT (to= name but a few) signals
> only started to be heard on the band six o= r seven months after the NOVs
> were issued.
> This should soon= change.
> I have been working with Taizo Arakawa, JA3AER to produce a= rticles on
> the subject in the Japanese magazine CQ Ham Radio.
&g= t; The first one was a general interest article '136kHz in the UK and
&g= t; Europe', published in April 1999.
> Because the release of the 136k= Hz to Japanese amateurs was imminent I
> was asked do write a practic= al 'How to get started on 136kHz'. This was
> published in CQ Ham Rad= io May 2009. This also tended to be rather broad
> and general so a m= ore detailed follow up article on the problems of
> using an electric= ally small antennas and the design of loading coils has
> been submit= ted.
> I can put copies of these articles on my web site if anyone is=20=
> interested but I guess I will first have to get the permission of t= he
> CQ Ham Radio editor.
> The Japanese call this new band the= 135kHz band.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter, G3LDO
>= > Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites=
> > - fyi 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A
> > From: ja3vq= w Hiroshi
> > Hi Laurence
> > Thanks for your e-mail.
&= gt; > Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho= )
> > last month.
> > I make CQ many times everyday aroun= d 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO
> > with any station.
> &g= t; I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz.
> > So if yo= u find my signal please QSL me.
> > My TX is modified IC-731 output= 25W.
> > The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long.
> ><= BR>> > <http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT= _TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009>
>
>

= Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. Check it ou= t. =3D --_91b2558c-f1a4-472b-986a-b03a82fe988b_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-57049fb3238ce; Fri, 01 May 2009 13:32:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF087-57049fb3238ce; Fri, 01 May 2009 13:32:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LzwZi-0003zT-GO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:31:02 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LzwZi-0003zK-4T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:31:02 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LzwZg-0000ML-9y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:31:02 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQFACzP+klZ8h+b/2dsb2JhbACCKCuBeoc7BsNpg30F Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.31.155]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 01 May 2009 18:30:52 +0100 Message-ID: <003e01c9ca82$9398e580$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:29:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: QSO 137 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9CA8A.C5D46B20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9CA8A.C5D46B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone in QSO mode this weekend on 137=20 mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9CA8A.C5D46B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone in QSO mode this weekend on 13= 7=20

mal/g3kev

------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9CA8A.C5D46B20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD092-9234a0899f1265; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:34:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD093-9234a0899f1265; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:34:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3d8T-0006ZS-Il for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:34:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3d8T-0006ZJ-8D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:34:09 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3d8P-0000vb-Tx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:34:08 +0100 thread-index: AcnSgDJF3eO5HomSRSeVuUOFyr44sQ== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:33:59 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> <4A0897AD.4070301@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0897AD.4070301@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:33:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard, Thank's for info. Beacon run, maybe it can come over the noise later on ;-) 73 de Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:25 PM Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon > Gus wrote: >> */Dear LF group,/* >> *//* >> */I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB./* >> */Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include..../* >> */Reports are wellcome./* >> *//* >> */73 de Gus SM6BHZ/* > Very high QRN levels here tonight on 500kHz Gus. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (rly-mg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.109]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG032-a064a1aca8c29f; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:43:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG038-a064a1aca8c29f; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:42:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8dFf-00058q-Iv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:42:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8dFf-00058h-7H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:42:15 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.73]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8dFd-0005nv-6r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:42:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 47444 invoked from network); 25 May 2009 16:42:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=QNn/J/Cr2QN7tDn0qPrz4x7+pr2fwJPDxlKTHtrbhUi1mcRdxvmS9cHYBq1hf9TQbIH3lSdNfdDYYaRqCJWz0esNR76CdXE2Wdq3wYB1fdDJizfvYrP3ADgKGjNSkMhc6u8NK5+v0tohjmMdpnNrFClUgewPB+c1inbe9TlA+6s= ; Received: from unknown (HELO 64683d74b6134b3) (robertgjbennett@86.145.142.210 with login) by smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2009 16:42:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nM5YMY8VM1n5PrOg9dluAsDLlgJGhGR0NDK4N9IzMG4x.SvprqmFYAQm6nkOo_Q5k6DwR.hyZD44BrZZ2x1FqrCw4ya4bS7vhGqUbA1EQ72Er5UfsNlBszdtngCxqYAk89QN0TPFW0YWit6xgQlsFV4hfbYyHeh_WuYCl9bE7AaT3a8HCksqTnhXZijgKWtG4kPuxKY2Cun3D3HreLIXiDBWCxmwb5OAZmA3nctIR8kOyLtNnBywnGa8dleHMyLmULO8D_lBswrHJhkEe49G X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <84EEB64668A34793A28A4B2B3E8DACE6@64683d74b6134b3> From: "Robert Bennett" To: References: <4A19A7E4.4030606@btconnect.com> <84D65F58F723418B8DC8672A3B10C875@64683d74b6134b3> <4A1AB588.2070603@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:42:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Monday activity 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Sorry Richard, brain (if there is one) slipped a cog! 73 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (rly-dg08.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.92]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG072-5e34a067b6c360; Sun, 10 May 2009 03:00:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG082-5e34a067b6c360; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:59:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M330C-0006D7-6I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:59:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M330B-0006Cy-Ls for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:59:11 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr03.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.121]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3302-00074W-Ox for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:59:11 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2bthomr03.btconnect.com with ESMTP id BOX08180; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:58:57 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A067B34.9060701@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 07:59:00 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr03.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.4A067B31.0106,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) James Moritz wrote: > Dear Gary, LF Group, > > You are S5 here at the moment in a the rising QRN. Also can see G0NBD > and OR7T attempting a QSO in MSK4 - Rik's signal is just about visible > on the waterfall, but will have to wait until I have completed > noise-cancelling improvements before I will stand a chance of copying > it here. G4JNT's beacon is also a good signal. > > Earlier, I had a CW QSO with G3XIZ, and this morning with Dennis, > M0JXM, who was a new one for me. > Jim I heard you and G3XIZ well in IO83wg (both 559). G4WGT was strong (599) G0NBD was also strong (589). The Swedish beacon on 500 was 549. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME044-9c84a184c9836e; Sat, 23 May 2009 15:21:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME074-9c84a184c9836e; Sat, 23 May 2009 15:20:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7wlA-0004o8-Mn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 20:19:56 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7wlA-0004nz-5g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 20:19:56 +0100 Received: from imr-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.159.7]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7wl5-0006TY-Fe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 20:19:56 +0100 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a184c43246; Sat, 23 May 2009 15:19:31 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.bfc.5b998a0d (34893) for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 15:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.149]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA012-5c674a184c3937f; Sat, 23 May 2009 15:19:25 -0400 Received: from webmail-mf12 (webmail-mf12.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.225]) by smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB025-5c674a184c3937f; Sat, 23 May 2009 15:19:21 -0400 References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 15:19:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g0mrf@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42951-STANDARD Received: from 87.80.206.159 by webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.225) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 23 May 2009 15:19:22 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBA9F282F0E172-BD8-2E43@webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: First Portable Trip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBA9F282FCCD43_BD8_5E0B_webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CBA9F282FCCD43_BD8_5E0B_webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Richard. I've used a system similar to yours with some success.? Mine, now dismantled, is detailed at http://www.g0mrf.com/500kAntenna.htm It was a 10m mast with a very small 3m top section. Power in 7.5W PEP. 100km was no problem 24/7 with good conditions it made it to ON and PA.? With very good conditions it made it to?the Scotish Islands at apx 800km but that was rare. The photo shows a variometer in series with a fixed coil in series with another fixed coil which was connected to ground at the bottom end.? Despite all these turns of wire, the 50 ohm match was only a few turns up from the ground end. Hope that helps. David -----Original Message----- From: Richard Newstead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:06 Subject: LF: First Portable Trip Not a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed against 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very low - within 1 metre of the ground.? ? Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping the feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q dramatically and the RX and TX performance were very poor. In configurations where the RX performance was good and the Q high, there was little on no aerial current on transmit. The only configuration that gave some antenna current was nearly useless on receive. Connecting a radial to a metal fence detuned things so much that I go nowhere like that.? ? Heard GW0HXO's beacon at reasonable strength and GW3UEP's beacon - just. Called CQ quite a few times. No takers.? ? Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible "line-timebase" type burble drifting across band.? ? Clearly more work required to get a viable system. Tips?? ? 73? ? Richard? G3CWI? ? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ----------MB_8CBA9F282FCCD43_BD8_5E0B_webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi Richard.

I've used a system similar to yours with some success. Mine, now dismantled, is detailed at

http://www.g0mrf.com/500kAntenna.htm

It was a 10m mast with a very small 3m top section. Power in 7.5W PEP.
100km was no problem 24/7 with good conditions it made it to ON and PA. With very good conditions it made it to the Scotish Islands at apx 800km but that was rare.

The photo shows a variometer in series with a fixed coil in series with another fixed coil which was connected to ground at the bottom end. Despite all these turns of wire, the 50 ohm match was only a few turns up from the ground end.

Hope that helps.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Newstead <g3cwi@btconnect.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:06
Subject: LF: First Portable Trip

Not a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed against 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very low - within 1 metre of the ground.

Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping the feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q dramatically and the RX and TX performance were very poor. In configurations where the RX performance was good and the Q high, there was little on no aerial current on transmit. The only configuration that gave some antenna current was nearly useless on receive. Connecting a radial to a metal fence detuned things so much that I go nowhere like that.

Heard GW0HXO's beacon at reasonable strength and GW3UEP's beacon - just. Called CQ quite a few times. No takers.

Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible "line-timebase" type burble drifting across band.

Clearly more work required to get a viable system. Tips?

73

Richard
G3CWI

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----------MB_8CBA9F282FCCD43_BD8_5E0B_webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD023-9244a053bad1d1; Sat, 09 May 2009 04:16:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD094-9244a053bad1d1; Sat, 09 May 2009 04:15:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2hhw-00014c-Gv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 09:14:56 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2hhw-00014T-4i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 09:14:56 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr07.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.185]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2hht-0004T5-WA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 09:14:56 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr07.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CMK09969; Sat, 9 May 2009 09:13:33 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A053B34.6050807@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 09:13:40 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr07.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020A.4A053B2D.0298,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Richard Newstead wrote: > > Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in > Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? > Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I also play)? Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (rly-mb10.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.168]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB021-d344a191ddf29b; Sun, 24 May 2009 06:14:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB108-d344a191ddf29b; Sun, 24 May 2009 06:13:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8AhY-0007EB-90 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:13:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8AhX-0007E2-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:13:07 +0100 Received: from smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.234]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8AhU-0007Ai-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:13:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 52008 invoked from network); 24 May 2009 10:12:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=HN1c77XrY/8CQ7yZ6S2ijB5iij7EHxZs1eVDMnzIuOGsHvFE/NTUVMjgtVvS5qokVUftmD+IdkHUL5pHwCug83lRFLskda0WvDyWYGuaBbukCH8ALj8ZHoE/mVKT97UjqXV2a/c/ORwQQd2enza9ZGRueXF8oPFVvHke02L3MN0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 10:12:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ogUQuz0VM1mAFTmeFRtY3YvowcDVJhR8KUW3qKrK3rtgcaVzGTXcf.3.3.y2DyQiGcNZ7LigBCygHz3GVFlVwHwmGblSuOj_U4Q38x1gCa5a1oFInhRiF2rSZjMX97g1HYYYVNxS.X2OtH.Hqytw5c2cKXxZRN4qIStina7HJZEhpaQMTfYaklRgdiQDUP5Nz4E_VQOwq_GDTzgjvjpAWlgC0IuvT50ltKgL7IPXawMmfbFw4NSJDTuZCUUiWF_f8sNXHNpvLUc4VDn.29UK_x6.KSo7lkMKLTHFFlDF0ZXQYg5WtCYAk0yx7_EvSBQBLXtxZYSqENgFq77d7Uu6G2lyJ3w- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:12:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Richard, LF Group, > Not a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed > against 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very > low - within 1 metre of the ground. > (Mal seems to have started something here - I have always thought of an inverted L as having a roughly horizontal span, rather than being a sloping wire!) To get the maximum effective height, radiation resistance and therefore efficiency, the important dimension of the antenna is height - essentially the average height of all the wire making up the antenna. The long section at very low height is therefore counterproductive - it will reduce the effective height, and also increase the loss resistance. So it would be better to eliminate the last 100ft or more, and increase the inductance of the loading coil. If it is necessary to have that overall length to reach an available fixing point or something, use non-conducting string. Also, with a single span of wire and a single mast, you will probably get greater average height if you support the wire in the middle in an inverted-V shape. I am not sure about the radials - there is a similar length of wire in the radials as there is in the antenna itself, so you could expect a significant RF voltage between the radials and the actual ground, which would not help matching or losses. Longer radials, more of them, or ground rods would probably be a good idea. > Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping > the feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q > dramatically The tapped loading coil type of antenna tuner with the TX connected to a low-impedance tap is one of those devices that looks appealingly simple, but isn't! The impedance match depends on the inductance of the complete loading coil, the inductance of the tapped section and the mutual inductance between the tapped section and the rest of the coil. These in turn depend on the shape, size and winding pitch of the coil as well as the number of turns. I made a spreadsheet that would calculate the impedance match for a tapped loading coil (downloadable from http://www.wireless.org.uk/features.htm), but suffice it to say that there are limits to the range of resistance that can be matched with a particular coil geometry. By "link configuration" I assume you mean the loading coil has a low impedance link winding over it, connected to the TX. This is similar to the tapped coil, but adds further variables into the mix, due to the different size and pitch of the link coil. I have not done the calculations for the link case, which will be similar to the tapped coil, but generally the mutual inductance will be less, which will reduce the maximum resistance that can be matched. What all this means is that it is quite possible that your coil has the correct inductance, but at the same time it is impossible to match the antenna resistance using it. This is likely if the antenna loss resistance is high; you need a "short, fat" loading coil (large diameter with fine winding pitch) to match a high resistance. I prefer to use a seperate loading coil and matching transformer; resistance and reactance are then almost independent of each other, and you only have to worry about the inductance of the coil and the turns ratio of the transformer. > Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible > "line-timebase" type burble drifting across band. This is a problem most of us have had - several portable expeditions have put out big signals, but not been able to receive much. I have spent much more time trying to get good reception than setting up TX antennas, and often it is not possible to get good transmission and reception with the same antenna. There is always a temptation to try to get QRV as soon as possible, but a bit of reconnaisance with a receiver first is always a good idea. Hope to hear you /P soon, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA023-8d14a01b98145; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:23:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA103-8d14a01b98145; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:23:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jtc-0006eY-JB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:23:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jtc-0006eP-6N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:23:00 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr05.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.183]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1jta-0005O1-60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:23:00 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr05.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CKN19938; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:22:50 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A01B95C.5020805@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 17:22:52 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <00a201c9ce65$850fe540$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <00a201c9ce65$850fe540$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr05.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0207.4A01B95B.00B0,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > Richard > Try a 12metre fiberglass telescopic pole to support an inv L using > wire size 1mm as long as possible. Use a matching network at the > bottom of the vertical part, coil in series to earth. Tap down coil > for resonance, tap coax up a few turns from earth end for best match, > lowest swr, braid of coax to earth. Use a couple of insulated radials > lying on ground and connected to coax earth. This method never fails > to work. > There are other methods but the above is vy efficient, light and > portable. > Thanks for the tips Mal. Maybe I could fly a kite to support the wire off the top of the pole. How long would the radials need to be to have some benefit? I need to calculate the required inductance to resonate the system - what's the best software to use no DOS here so can't easily use Reg FGQ's progs. I have been on 10GHz for the past year so 500kHz will make a nice change! 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG064-9f74a0c72181dd; Thu, 14 May 2009 15:33:51 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG021-9f74a0c72181dd; Thu, 14 May 2009 15:33:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4gg1-0000mQ-NT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:33:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4gg1-0000mH-73 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:33:09 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr08.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.186]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4gfx-0001u0-Vf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:33:08 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host81-155-60-146.range81-155.btcentralplus.com [81.155.60.146]) by c2beaomr08.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CLU13046; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:31:45 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0C71A3.9070307@btconnect.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:31:47 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr08.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0201.4A0C71A1.025E,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Beacon now on 501.6kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I have optimised the link coupling for my ATU and have a lot more antenna current. Reports very welcome. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF083-95e4a193b2d290; Sun, 24 May 2009 08:19:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF054-95e4a193b2d290; Sun, 24 May 2009 08:18:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Ceg-0007oE-SO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:18:18 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Ceg-0007o5-72 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:18:18 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Cee-0006im-AP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:18:18 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsFANfXGEpZ8+0p/2dsb2JhbACCJC6CAodCBoFJiwq3KIQLBQ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.243.237.41]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 13:18:06 +0100 Message-ID: <005001c9dc69$b1b47400$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <8CBA943F0C92715-A70-10C3@WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com> <003401c9db80$36bea390$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8CBA9CE8AFE47D8-12C4-2051@WEBMAIL-MY07.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:18:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: CQ DX 500k Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C9DC72.133877A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_30_40, HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C9DC72.133877A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David Are u in the FIELD yet?.I hope there no BLOCKAGE at the Dartford Tunnel or e= ven worse Watford gap. I would like to hear your 10W erp mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g0mrf@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:01 PM Subject: LF: Re: CQ DX 500k Thanks Mal. Seems like a good idea to stick to your established 7033. However, QSY to=20= 10MHz will not be necessary after all as the WPX contest is next weekend not= this one. - My Mistake. 73 David -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 8:26 Subject: LF: Re: CQ DX 500k David That sounds good. I have found 7Mhz good to to the USA evening and night t= ime. I have not tried 10 Mhz but it could be useful to avoid contest acty. Good luck=20 de Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g0mrf@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; G1KAW@aol.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:29 PM Subject: LF: CQ DX 500k Hi all. Can anyone on the East Coast USA comment of the state of 501 -504kHz for= transatlantic reception? I have confirmed availability of a large field in East Sussex for this S= unday night for some portable operation. If I have to select a frequency, then I may as well choose a clear one p= ossibly in the mid - upper portion of the band say 503.1 One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well establi= shed 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. - So may have to go to 10MHz for that,= or we do have 400W + 16 ele on 2m at 600 ft ASL which should be fine for ON= / F / PA western DL. Locator will be JO00EW near Dallington East Sussex. Power 0 - 250 Watts, antenna dependent. - Aim +10dBW peak ERP Main purpose of this trip is the antenna experiment, but it would be nic= e to make some CW / QRSS3 QSOs too. Site location can be seen here. http://www.vhfdx.net/callbook/gmap.php?Lan=3DE&Call=3DG1KAW/P&Loc=3DJO00= EW phone / text 07958502540. e-mail g0mrf@aol.com. Internet available on=20= site. 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David

Are u in the FIELD yet?.I hope there no BLO= CKAGE at=20 the Dartford Tunnel or even worse Watford gap.

I would like to hear your 10W erp
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

g0mrf@aol.com <= /DIV>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:01=20 PM

Subject: LF: Re: CQ DX 500k

Thanks Mal.

Seems like a good idea to stick to your=20 established 7033. However, QSY to 10MHz will not be necessary after all as= the=20 WPX contest is next weekend not this one. - My=20 Mistake.

73

David

-----Original Message-----
F= rom:=20 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@tal= ktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent:=20 Sat, 23 May 2009 8:26
Subject: LF: Re: CQ DX 500k

David

That sounds good. I have found 7Mhz good=20= to to=20 the USA evening and night time. I have not tried 10 Mhz but it could be us= eful=20 to avoid contest acty.

Good luck

de Mal/g3kev

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Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:29=20 PM

Subject: LF: CQ DX 500k

Hi all.

Can anyone on the East Coast USA comment of the state of 501 -504kH= z=20 for transatlantic reception?

I have confirmed availability of a large field in East Sussex for t= his=20 Sunday night for some portable operation.

If I have to select a frequency, then I may as well choose a clear=20= one=20 possibly in the mid - upper portion of the band say 503.1

One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well=20 established 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. - So may have to go to 10MH= z=20 for that, or we do have 400W + 16 ele on 2m at 600 ft ASL which should=20 be fine for ON / F / PA western DL.

Locator will be JO00EW n= ear=20 Dallington East Sussex.
Power 0 - 250 Watts, antenna dependent. - Aim= =20 +10dBW peak ERP

Main purpose of this trip is the antenna=20 experiment, but it would be nice to make some CW / QRSS3 QSOs=20 too.

Site location can be seen here.
http://www.vhfdx.net/callbook/gmap.php?Lan=3DE&Cal= l=3DG1KAW/P&Loc=3DJO00EW

phone=20 / text 07958502540. e-mail g0mrf@aol.com. Internet available on=20 site.

Thanks

David

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------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C9DC72.133877A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA012-8bd4a210da55d; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:42:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA077-8bd4a210da55d; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:42:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAM0k-00082L-Ha for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:41:58 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAM0k-00082C-5H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:41:58 +0100 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.155]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAM0i-0007uG-7a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:41:58 +0100 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so3161002yxf.64 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 03:41:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=+tWuk+gXZgKBHE/CrU+iUQW0LzpWPRM1ztt4albpClA=; b=E/3EB7nqkeDpUQntIPGLL8uCE4zWOawKhlMid9kH2uuoQVljB02y8xPUZUFZWWHBUH 2xqYG14laXaQ1MaEH4MZ54rMf3myGDAc3uVJ8gHSlVH0639FygPRcwsBCjdRHdu1q92k X008I0shOUowuFEvNqMMZtTSnfJRWKPys1t7I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=MXa3Jz3Iza13g8aYjiB+zcUUxXsIKeewK8AwNlbwF0khlVKeSDISs59VY28dqr00Jj RWF/CCZVaZg4rXRUYNTFK7LIJexyxgu5/w6OSThJyWzQsFCGHs+8vn4wutOZ7FgeENj0 a5aRzlYudunuesPOnmu1S89YCb02U0wb4Bbl8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.122.6 with SMTP id z6mr7187807ybm.93.1243680114285; Sat, 30 May 2009 03:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:41:54 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_00_10=0.642,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f15bc6d1e71046b1ed7a3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d252.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f15bc6d1e71046b1ed7a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? Any ideas thanks Laurie G3AQC --001e680f15bc6d1e71046b1ed7a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days?
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--001e680f15bc6d1e71046b1ed7a3-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC101-b024a03625f350; Thu, 07 May 2009 18:36:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC016-b024a03625f350; Thu, 07 May 2009 18:36:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2CBh-0003WC-G0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 23:35:33 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2CBh-0003W3-06 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 23:35:33 +0100 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2CBe-0008D7-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 23:35:32 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.24] (helo=14.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #91) id 1M2CAg-00032b-8p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 00:34:30 +0200 Received: from w115d.w.pppool.de ([89.58.17.93]:1367 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 14.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M2CAf-0000Ey-TI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 00:34:30 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506225829.1vrsvh 9ozjwcwog8@webmail 4.kuleuven.be> <351E24E134154160986CF3C5CC07321A@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090507152132.C17FE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <4A035E4B.3010705@toya.net.pl> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 00:34:31 +0200 Message-ID: <1B3664FB3B064E55A4CA70EC4145B755@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4A035E4B.3010705@toya.net.pl> Thread-Index: AcnPYkSDGtTLg6IhQ7yElMgL3r2bTgAAXBvg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: LF: AW: FM-Hell Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Peter, thank you vy much for this hint.=20 I will try that software in the next future. Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D0 =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Piotr Mlynarski Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 00:19 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: AW: FM-Hell Beckmann, Gerhard wrote: > >Sri, I don't have installed a FM-Hell decoder; > > =20 > Hello Gerhard, LF Group, Rick, ON7YD mentioned about Multipsk software allowing for RX/TX operation upon FM-Hell There is also another software ( which i prefer ) i.e Nino IZ8BLY Hellschreiber program which can be freely=20 downloaded from his page: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/aporcino/Hell/index.htm it is entirely focused on hell modulation therefore being free from other 'bilions' of different digi techniques.... ;) 73 de peter, sq7mpj qth: lodz /jo91rs/ =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME051-9b14a0b33936; Wed, 13 May 2009 16:54:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME045-9b14a0b33936; Wed, 13 May 2009 16:54:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4LT3-0006Y7-A3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 21:54:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4LT2-0006Xx-S9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 21:54:20 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4LSw-0007jK-Ir for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 21:54:20 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7C6D57000082 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:54:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.52.149]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 3D5E47000081 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:54:07 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090513205407251.3D5E47000081@mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:53:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C9D415.508205F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C9D415.508205F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks all who posted links .. I will add a page to the uk500khz news grou= p and list them all on there=20 this one looks to fit the bill (ready made for 60 euro)=20 tnx - G .. =20 http://www.box73.de/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=3D112_115&products_id=3D1= 19&osCsid=3D9nk30edle1v6k0oooub8e4fjs2 From: Graham=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:25 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit , better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working even better ! Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device=20 Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master=20 oscillator for tx=20 Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) Tnx- Graham .=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2110 - Release Date: 05/12/09 0= 6:22:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C9D415.508205F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks all who posted links ..=20= I will=20 add a page to the uk500khz news group and list them all on there= =20

this one looks to fit the bill (ready= made=20 for 60 euro)

tnx - G ..

http://www.box73.de/catalog/product_info.ph= p?cPath=3D112_115&products_id=3D119&osCsid=3D9nk30edle1v6k0oooub8e4f= js2

From: Graham

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:25 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc=20 ?

Looking for a low freque= ncy ,=20 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit ,

better a part completed=20 kit would be better ...second hand working

even better !

Ideal would be a box wit= h a=20 frequency display and a key pad to

enter the frequenc= y ,=20 preferable to a pc addressed device

Couple of volts sine wav= e out ,=20 nothing fancy , simple master

oscillator for&nbs= p; tx=20

Any ideas or = links=20 (any for sale ?)

Tnx- Graham .

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------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C9D415.508205F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG082-a284a09df5d35a; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:43:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG082-a284a09df5d35a; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:43:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3yo2-00061k-3S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:42:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3yo1-00061b-NZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:42:29 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3ynz-0004F3-Fk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:42:29 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUFAIl7CUpOlW6N/2dsb2JhbACCJyyBfYc+BsIjhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.110.141]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 21:41:22 +0100 Message-ID: <012501c9d342$02a3eed0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <011301c9d33c$83feeb70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:41:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0122_01C9D34A.63706240" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0122_01C9D34A.63706240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OE5ODL solid signal now at 2140 utc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:02 PM Subject: LF: LF TX fired up and ready on 137.7 but so far nil observed.=20 G3KEV ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09= 16:14:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0122_01C9D34A.63706240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OE5ODL solid signal now at 2140 utc<= /DIV>

----- Original Message -----

mal= =20 hamilton

To: rsgb

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:02 PM=

Subject: LF: LF

TX fired up and ready on 137.7 but so far= nil=20 observed.

G3KEV

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------=_NextPart_000_0122_01C9D34A.63706240-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (rly-mb02.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.155]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB081-cf049fd027d33d; Sat, 02 May 2009 22:33:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB024-cf049fd027d33d; Sat, 02 May 2009 22:33:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0RVC-00080c-2U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 03:32:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0RVB-00080T-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 03:32:25 +0100 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0RV8-0000lr-Pq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 03:32:25 +0100 Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.74]) by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-349fd0218283; Sat, 02 May 2009 22:31:52 -0400 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-449fd02122d2; Sat, 02 May 2009 22:31:46 -0400 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.bca.49a101c9 (39329) for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 22:31:43 -0400 (EDT) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 22:32:02 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: RU beacons May 1-2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_bca.49a101c9.372e5c22_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_bca.49a101c9.372e5c22_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1241317921" -------------------------------1241317921 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Strong signal again tonight Ed in France, I looked at your position with Google Earth. F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP RX : Icom IC7400 Ant: active miniwhip > I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z, > on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3. > > QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May) > abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical) > QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop) > > Reports welcome > > 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru -------------------------------1241317921 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Strong signal again tonight Ed in France, I looked at y= our position=20 with Google Earth.

F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP
RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: active miniw= hip=20

> I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630= z till=20 23z,
> on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3.
>
>= ;=20 QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May)
> abt 5W= ERP=20 (100W output in Big Vertical)
> QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (star= t=20 & stop)
>
> Reports welcome
>
> 73! Ed=20 RU6LA   136.73.ru

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X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------1243525903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 B29 or B17 Mal, =20 My CU25 ATU modified for the 137 KHz trafic: _http://img37.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3Dcu25.jpg_=20 (http://img37.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3Dcu25.jpg)=20 =20 =20 73 de F4DTL Nicolas =20 =20 Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 28/05/2009 12:50:38 Paris, Madrid (heure d'=E9t=E9)= , =20 g3kevmal@talktalk.net a =E9crit : Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 called MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER=20 AIRCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with 200 feet trailing wire=20 antenna.=20 Contains variometer, switches and vac relay. =20 I have a nice specimen at my QTH. Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching. Maybe someone has used one in a B29 =20 G3KEV =20 =20 =20 =20 -------------------------------1243525903 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

B29 or B17 Mal,

My CU25 ATU modified for the 137 KHz trafic:

http:/= /img37.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3Dcu25.jpg

73 de F4DTL Nicolas

Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 28/05/2009 12:50:38 Paris, Madrid (heure d'= =E9t=E9),=20 g3kevmal@talktalk.net a =E9crit :

Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 ca= lled=20 MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER AIRCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with= 200=20 feet trailing wire antenna.

Contains variometer, switches and vac rel= ay.=20

I have a nice specimen at my QTH.<= /DIV>
Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching.

Maybe someone has used one in a B29

G3KEV

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rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 10:11:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M89jn-00075Q-6m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 10:11:23 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr03.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.121]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M89ji-000668-Uv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 10:11:23 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2bthomr03.btconnect.com with ESMTP id BSR19634; Sun, 24 May 2009 10:11:12 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A190F2C.4070901@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:11:08 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <8CBA9F282F0E172-BD8-2E43@webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CBA9F282F0E172-BD8-2E43@webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr03.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0207.4A190F31.01A0,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) g0mrf@aol.com wrote: > Hi Richard. > > I've used a system similar to yours with some success. Mine, now > dismantled, is detailed at > > http://www.g0mrf.com/500kAntenna.htm > > It was a 10m mast with a very small 3m top section. Power in 7.5W PEP. > 100km was no problem 24/7 with good conditions it made it to ON and > PA. With very good conditions it made it to the Scotish Islands at > apx 800km but that was rare. > > The photo shows a variometer in series with a fixed coil in series > with another fixed coil which was connected to ground at the bottom > end. Despite all these turns of wire, the 50 ohm match was only a few > turns up from the ground end. > Hi David My problem is that I have to carry everything up the hill (or mountain) myself along with all the other things needed for hillwalking/mountaineering. So far I have realised that a 200ft L is not a suitable configuration. Alan G3NYK has suggested a T with 200ft top instead - that will keep everything a bit further from the ground. Kites are fun and obviously effective but the right conditions rarely occur for kitebourne operations - I will be trying them but I need something that can be used in a wide variety of weather and local conditions. Incidentally, my experience is that hilltops often suffer from very turbulent airflows which makes kite flying very tricky. Gun (the hill that I was on yesterday) is especially bad in that respect as it often seems to have some sort of windshear over it making launching a kite a real problem - been there, got the T shirt! My children - who are usually tasked with flying the kite - refuse to attempt it on Gun any more due to my rather poor response when the kite crashes mid-QSO... The microwavers here will be smiling as it took them a while to realise that my sort of portable is very different from car-supported operations in a field. That being said I eventually developed a fully portable and very effective 10G system that can be backpacked anywhere. I will manage the same on 500kHz given time I expect. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC044-b3649ff6e2411; Mon, 04 May 2009 18:37:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC082-b3649ff6e2411; Mon, 04 May 2009 18:37:26 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M16ly-000815-5S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:36:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M16lx-00080w-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:36:29 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.190] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M16lv-0004o7-1j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:36:29 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3601.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7FC487000082 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:36:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.16.142]) by mwinf3601.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 3DF767000081 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:36:11 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090504223611253.3DF767000081@mwinf3601.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 23:35:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik, Looking at fldigi , the MFSK-4 looks to be 100 Hz wide ? may be a little slow, but will print , the MFSK mode is also more robust than OLIVIA. (olivia is showing at 125 Hz Bw minimum) The lower 'throb' modes also show under 100 hz , but ive never used them >From the test's I ran over the last year or so , the MFSK system looked to work the best on 500 Gary ran a lot of beacons with 23 hz rtty , with varying results , reducing the baud rate by 50% lowers the error rate as well psk31 , works quite well, but dose not seem to travel too well on 500, but looking at the results of the propagation test using the zl2afp system, phase modulation may not of been a good choice ! Of all the data system , narrow 2 tone fsk (23) is perhaps the most fragile GL de G0NBD hi -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:36 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gary, > > call the is almost right, locator completely. > But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. > I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for > the last 2 minutes or so. > I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further > changes, not sure that this is the best mode. > So any advice is welcome. > I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors > and options. > I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz > bandwidth. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > >> Hi Rik, >> >> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >> locator >> :- >> >> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: rtty test >> >> dear all, >> >> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC >> Reports and/or reply welcome. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.17/2095 - Release Date: 05/04/09 > 06:00:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (rly-mb09.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.167]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB063-d254a22f18912; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:07:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB091-d254a22f18912; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:07:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAsEy-0003rl-Hd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:06:48 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAsEy-0003rb-5A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:06:48 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.63]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAsEw-00049p-F9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:06:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 33303 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 21:06:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MIMEOLE:Importance; b=ljO5j45LtfWBBH8cMF92u+D6VQXF1AKVKpWxQxspXorZQLGLPTvx06VxrOjjjOzI4ajEJKcRlb7YhTfoEBHBul7vcXlRjaoxw10hEuGnxx45iSCThuEHoM9cNJP21T+10uxis/c8oVU/X+5xEDeC3m9U0eQxNJoB/qHRZGgEFAs= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.154.15.74 with login) by smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2009 21:06:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MNmbvusVM1k1d7bf6_D8r7yO8QZpnMtk2j3LzxX3UyPdyMSNeb8T1qaNQovOY8Ra9POXscmWLx0IrwvpLi9Bju56ZS0j203Vm7Tkv68F_9YFiAkCoepHSDkid0M4XPKnCkq4lhuGEiUlViDzVcVtVKc1EqNFc8nEv0BNJ9Vl90c6.HVDw3sQ2WxVc38GZ9veQ0JSpR_fantKKxSv.fK2TasVeUdB4nE9R8eSZLtgiiniDTDksk9OARUAJeVV6VpkjCpPNCchgk4lSnnwIPsdpK_po7o4YECLrqH_0bvL_cxkr279YJHzng-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:06:56 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20090531205831.293140@gmx.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: rx 600m tonight for YOU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dennis, G3XIZ is in CW QSO with GW3UEP right now (2103z,)on 502.3 and 501.1 kHz (Check the G3YXM grabber on www.wireless.org.uk 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: 31 May 2009 21:59 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: rx 600m tonight for YOU Hi! I just reconfigured my RX to 0.5MHz, and appreciate receiving signals tonight on 600m :) Just let me know You are there, and where. vy73 Dennis Berlin JO62RM PS: Loop pointing NW/SE, so Scotland might induce higher voltages than England. -- Nur bis 31.05.: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate und Telefonanschluss nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG081-a204a226fda180; Sun, 31 May 2009 07:54:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG072-a204a226fda180; Sun, 31 May 2009 07:54:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAjbM-0000P9-GN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:53:20 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAjbM-0000P0-52 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:53:20 +0100 Received: from smtp2-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.2]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAjbK-00022t-0e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:53:20 +0100 Received: from smtp2-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1554B0063 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:53:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564614B0067 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:53:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A226FA7.3090101@online.fr> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:53:11 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: F6BWO F4DTL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Nicolas , Jeff , + F6CWA + F6AAO !..... 73 qro J-P afj F4DTL@aol.com a =E9crit : > Thanx Jeff for this new QSO with you > 3 french stations are active on 2200m today, F1AFJ,F6BWO and F4DTL. Wow. > =20 > F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP > _http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20 > > =20 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (rly-ma03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.47]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA021-89b4a089a9c362; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:37:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA035-89b4a089a9c362; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:37:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dBL-0006eM-K4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:37:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dBL-0006e9-6s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:37:07 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3dBJ-0006dT-1c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Don't worry, Im sure you will copy it hihi G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:25 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon > > Gus wrote: >> */Dear LF group,/* >> *//* >> */I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB./* >> */Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include..../* >> */Reports are wellcome./* >> *//* >> */73 de Gus SM6BHZ/* > Very high QRN levels here tonight on 500kHz Gus. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 > 07:02:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb04.mx.aol.com (rly-mb04.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.162]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB073-d044a132e0110c; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:09:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB048-d044a132e0110c; 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Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.15.34 with login) by smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 22:08:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3KgHvK4VM1nPIwweC8.ddlNptXdh22eVSmifIzK6r_F1vcfr87I1zinbPi_1MMuSYnrGs.tynlFwmPEVMBsRyYQDNqxfrHxeEL.pK9o.42Zpy9l2NOXc_F6MiSImElmTXD7dh6TRxJn2IShv8n.eQCKIIB4Dm5bciqZ3RjDkRamAkeuAwQCkAGjJR.Epw.Hn36bOIzmPyMJ312peJJfaPW1nfcnUTgoR_GtJJHrHYIQ64ROAr8xHkUAm7HS5EPrhavmdh75eKozCHxpyLcxBHmDAxEBx7m6qBxOOW_p_T2aOTOEcf_sgqMhdDw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <015f01c9d8ce$5f683fe0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 23:08:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Gary see the "notch" I designed for Hugh to reduce DCF39 a little at http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/BR-t-Notch.htm The plot will give some idea of the possible reduction in wanted signal. The trick is you want the highest "Q" you can get this involved usually using a small inductor and a large cap. The other problem is that they dont like a low impedance load on the output so you need to put an emitter (or source) follower before the RX input. I can only suggest try it and see. I think it should work reasonably well, DCF39 is a lot closer to 136 than 518 is to 502 relatively speaking. A top-coupled band-pass filter would also work quite well but I am not sure whether you would get enough rejection on the high side. The LC is resonant at the notch frequency and the pot is connected to the centre-tap. The plot is from the (free) analyser program on my site too. There may even be a node-list for it in the download examples. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. > Hi LF, > > > > You may have seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at about > 506KHz. The original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this > grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz. > > > > I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel > filter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly due > to the bandwidth of the filter?? > > > > Is there some simple narrow notch filter which I could use to remove the > offending signal. > > > > 73, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF011-9624a17d1671a6; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:35:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF058-9624a17d1671a6; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:35:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7oYu-0002rN-Jo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:34:44 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7oYu-0002rE-7H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:34:44 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7oYr-0004VC-Vt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:34:44 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 811DF1C00084 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:34:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.56.40]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 1315D1C00081 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:34:36 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090523103436783.1315D1C00081@mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <823B2A24E27343D88E55E83A53158F28@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> <20090519232905.l4n0cl7o5vk0oogs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <117598D055BB4752B434D00FED548617@lindavideo> In-Reply-To: <117598D055BB4752B434D00FED548617@lindavideo> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:34:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: http://www.solarcycle24.com/ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01C9DB9A.6CDD2A90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C9DB9A.6CDD2A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just found this, might be of interest=20 http://www.solarcycle24.com/ G ..=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C9DB9A.6CDD2A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C9DB9A.6CDD2A90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b4b4a07534f295; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:21:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC107-b4b4a07534f295; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:21:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3HNc-0002eW-JM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:20:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3HNb-0002eN-UE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:20:19 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.190] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3HNZ-0002ZC-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:20:19 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3603.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 06A2D7000087 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:20:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3603.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id B8C9C7000086 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:20:01 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510222001756.B8C9C7000086@mwinf3603.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus><5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC><008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus><61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB><4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB><1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB><20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be><2149FAD3D3B349DA8DD2D9B692522EEE@AGB> <20090510232311.c7w0ojp43pk4880w@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <2647D014C3484E85BEE640AEC4B3BFE6@AGB> <40A1D9029BDA4447880EDB0D20E31225@2a2d7ed321c6425> In-Reply-To: <40A1D9029BDA4447880EDB0D20E31225@2a2d7ed321c6425> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:19:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Gerhard Added 2 db to the drive but that's over the 3 systems ! G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:48 PM To: Subject: AW: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Hello Graham, > > looking for your signals with no results until yet. > May be you can increase power for the last halve hour of transmission > (22:30 until 23:00 UTC?) > > 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham > Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2009 23:36 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Rik, > > The mfsk signal is a single tone, the other systems are sending 2 tones= =20 > , > > peak levels of the systems are all the same .. as far as I can measure , > looks like your % copy ties with last night , ? , the instant lock=20 > of > the throb system looks to be working well ? > > Each stream is about 35 watts , last night I was running 150 in=20 > single > mode > > tnx - G .. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:23 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt >=20 > later > >> >> Gary, >> >> despite that there is no copy in MFSK4 this signal sound much stronger >> than the Throbx2 and psk31 signals. >> Idem on the G3YXM grabber: MFSK4 look brighter than the other 2. >> Looks as if the power is not the same. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Graham : >> >>> Ok Rik, >>> >>> Well see what prints with this beacon, Im running Fldigi x 3 times >>> on the same pc , Gary is running the same for rx and reports all is >>> ok with the system ... >>> >>> tnx- G .. >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Rik Strobbe" >>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:40 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > >>> later >>> >>>> >>>> Hello Graham, >>>> >>>> thanks for the QSO's last night. >>>> Under current conditions (lot of QRN and QSB) ThrobX2 seemes a bit >>>> better than >>>> PSK31. MFSK4 wouldn't print last night. >>>> The night before it was the same until all the sudden I had a perfect >>>> print. >>>> Maybe tuning / synchronisation is rather critical for MFSK4. >>>> The bandwidth of MFSK4 seems about 150Hz, so i will not use it for >>>> transmit. >>>> PSK31 and ThrobX2 are well below 100Hz. >>>> >>>> I will try to decode the signals starting 21:00 UTC. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting Graham : >>>> >>>>> Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream >>>>> same text , 60 sec repeat .. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz =3D 503.20k cent rf >>>>> >>>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz =3D 503,00k cent rf >>>>> >>>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz =3D 502.70 k cent rf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' >>>>> lock up time ? >>>>> >>>>> Graham >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Graham" >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt >=20 >>>>> later >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >>>>>> >>>>>> G .. >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Graham" >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tx set >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dial 501.000 >>>>>>> mode usb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FLDIGI software >>>>>> >>>>>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Power 40 watts per stream >>>>>>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Reports welcome >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Graham >>>>>>> >>>>>>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release >>>>>>> Date: 05/09/09 >>>>>>> 06:54:00 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>>>>> 05/09/09 06:54:00 >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: >>>> 05/10/09 07:02:00 >>>> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date:=20 >> 05/10/09 > >> 07:02:00 >> > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09= =20 > 07:02:00 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF072-9574a0e6d6b398; 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16 May 2009 08:37:38 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c9d5f9$3016e6b0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <007a01c9d58f$45a60e80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <1242429806.11120.6.camel@pat-desktop-dell> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:37:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: Re: LF: BC-221-T Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Serial number 6986 on cal chart, which matches the unit, but no initials. The chart book is immaculate, looks like it has never been used. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat gillen" To: Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:23 AM Subject: Re: LF: BC-221-T > Mal, Alan 3nyk and myself were just discussing those a couple of days > ago. We wondered how many of us were left who knew how to use a BC221 or > similar het. unit. Don't think I can quite qualify as being old enough > to have known the man who made yours though. Better question, however, > is can you still read the initials on the cal charts? > > > > > On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 19:59 +0100, mal hamilton wrote: >> I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would make a nice OSC/driver for MF. >> It is mint condx but has not been used for years. Some will be >> familiar with this unit, vintage WWII made in the USA (ZENITH RADIO >> CORPORATION CHICAGO) Maybe someone knows the man that made it !! >> >> mal/g3kev >> > -- > 73 de Pat G4GVW > QTH Nr. Felixstowe > (East Coast of UK) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.30/2115 - Release Date: 05/14/09 17:54:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME082-9b44a0db25942; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:20:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME048-9b44a0db25942; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:20:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M520H-0008Bn-Kd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:19:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M520H-0008Be-6G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:19:29 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.68]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M520F-00045a-82 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:19:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 27746 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 18:18:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=f8ecWNCQg5EgkE1wvSS1oLEOeWg1n5aeLKTBEwxHPiDvVtf8AnaejLwvo25bwv04QaoCPKR4+pp+sQhYMnQDe8sppA49l7AuvMgdQD38vUfNouYBZX0g0IpfREbVGxE6G4UsRfTph/Lc6p299FU26WZewAlhunu+rbi1x5zxnLw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.107.129 with login) by smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 18:18:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8HufV1AVM1nfCoI8Wt34MEBgzoWxQWmAJ6eGtBNhHUebqhomyl15iOQY42CLAdP.2bJ5Gu_rUrjAkNzJw0dhdhR_hT64BdzHH2dC58cA_BZIfFhVUbu2ZP473PAoxWl6C.4JPMhieDTsheqGNdU6PJyg0gosbvAX.2sF83DCy9SrhmlfNyIjWc4NudR5pkMNiZXfLa2bOkqhOdBMRchRti3eQfoiXyxrYvzJpTeLxiwoxwjBpWIklUE9sPIwmWvry334XnCcbaLmhnlf X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <52125C6E9B21456EBEB404A18962150C@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> <20090515183514.mt168ada0ug4k4c4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <4A0D9BAC.6060808@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0D9BAC.6060808@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:18:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Aerial current Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Richard, LF Group, It is not generally the case that the output impedance of a PA is equal to its design load impedance, and so maximum power delivered to load is not the same thing as load impedance being 50 ohms or whatever. This is especially the case with switching type amplifiers, which will usually deliver more power to a load below the design value. With a switching type amplifier, assuming nothing in the PA is getting hot, most of the DC input power is being delivered to the load as RF (80%+ efficiency is normal). So checking DC supply voltage/current is similar to what it is when the PA is driving a dummy load will give a fairly good indication if the actual antenna load impedance is similar to the dummy load, or whether the output power is more or less than what is being delivered to the dummy load. Thermocouple-type RF ammeters are prone to be a bit erratic in their old age - a check on calibration is to measure the current into a dummy load, and compare with the current in the load calculated from the RF voltage measured with an oscilloscope or diode voltmeter, etc. Alternatively, DC or (preferably) 50Hz AC current can be used to check calibration. The definitive place to measure RF current is at the feed point of the antenna itself - this then allows a reasonable calculation of ERP to be made, in conjunction with calculating the radiation resistance from the antenna dimensions. As has been pointed out, there is generally some impedance transformation occuring between the TX feeder and the antenna feed point, so the currents will be different. The only real way to be sure whether the load impedance is what you expect is to have some sort of instrumentation to measure it. A suitable LF SWR bridge will tell you if the impedance deviates from the design value of the bridge. I use either a simple "scope-match" circuit in conjunction with an oscilloscope to indicate voltage/current/phase at the TX output, or my LF tuning meter design (see G3YXM's "features" page) to do something equivalent. Another possibility is to measure the impedance with an RF bridge. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC061-b4b4a00e68f196; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:23:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC107-b4b4a00e68f196; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:23:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1VqO-0004lS-NR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 02:22:44 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1VqO-0004lJ-6M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 02:22:44 +0100 Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1VqM-0007iW-9K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 02:22:44 +0100 Received: from DR2 ([71.184.212.10]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJ700ETM7TIOPZ7@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:22:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "dave.riley3" To: References: <000301c9bc43$b366cfa0$6401a8c0@radiocomputer> <4A00A343.3080806@g3ysx.org.uk> <9B3F74AF2AC642BB8C3317606C3D01A1@DR2> <00a201c9cddb$8d8f9920$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 21:22:29 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ahhh, yep, more advantages than an antenna add could sell... Location = Everything... Salt water, go with the Marconi... Crummy soil ( everywhere ) and lots of vegetation ?? = Go Magnetic... Not quite an axiom, but pretty good advice... Don't forget the more quiet receive too... TNX de Dave WD2XSH/17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? > Hi Dave ask why people use invL and T's. Well if you took your trees away > and put up an inv L of the same size you would have a bigger signal > (field-strength) than would be given by the loop. Amongst the trees the > loop > works better. Its location, location, location that matters, not old wives > tales, or even old commercial antenna books (they dont put "little" > antennas > up in the middle of forests !! for good reasons) > > Keep pumping the LF watts out man !! :-)) > Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dave.riley3" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? > > >> A big black ferrite that works down there... >> >> Bifilar wound 1:1 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stewart Bryant" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:36 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? >> >> >> > Dave >> >> >> >> Exhibit #1 www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP109.jpg >> > >> > An interesting design - what are you using as a broadband match in >> > xformer for the 200KHz - HF? >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Stewart/G3YSX >> > >> > >> > >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB043-cfb49fb7eaf61; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:59:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB037-cfb49fb7eaf61; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:58:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M01gC-0004tK-7v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:58:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M01gB-0004sg-Kb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:58:03 +0100 Received: from imr-d04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.42]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M01g8-0008Ea-FA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:58:03 +0100 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-d04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n41MuPmP011927 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c79.567db2a0 (48552) for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:56:13 -0400 (EDT) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:57:22 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Big signal RU6LA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1241218642" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------1241218642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hello Ed,more than 20 dB SNR here,very strong,good luck for DX reports. The QRN is low. =20 =20 F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP RX : Icom IC7400 Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010 _http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20 =20 =20 Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 02/05/2009 00:51:33 Paris, Madrid (heure d'=E9t=E9)= , =20 markusvester@aol.com a =E9crit : Ed, excellent here as well, up to about 6 uV/m! And the QRN has gone down=20 now. Don't be confused by the 0.09 Hz sidebands visible on my grabber, they= =20 are only a modulation artifact from the noise blanker acting on the=20 periodic DCF39 telegrams. =20 Markus, DF6NM =20 -------------------------------1241218642 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Ed,more than 20 dB SNR here,very strong,good luck for DX=20 reports.

The QRN is low.

F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010

http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.ne= t/

Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 02/05/2009 00:51:33 Paris, Madrid (heure d'= =E9t=E9),=20 markusvester@aol.com a =E9crit :

Ed, excellent here as we= ll, up=20 to about 6 uV/m! And the QRN has gone down now. Don't be confuse= d by=20 the 0.09 Hz sidebands visible on my grabber, they are only=20= a=20 modulation artifact from the noise blanker acting on the periodic DCF= 39=20 telegrams.

Markus, DF6NM

-------------------------------1241218642-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de09.mx.aol.com (rly-de09.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.145]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE084-4ff4a198f7d121; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:18:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE094-4ff4a198f7d121; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:18:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8IGi-0000Wc-Kl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:17:56 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8IGi-0000WT-7C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:17:56 +0100 Received: from mailout1.go2.pl ([193.17.41.11]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8IGf-0007wn-SI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:17:56 +0100 Received: from mailout1.go2.pl (unknown [10.0.0.104]) by mailout1.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D990630014 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:17:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from o2.pl (unknown [10.0.0.37]) by mailout1.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:17:52 +0200 (CEST) From: bxi@go2.pl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3c01eff9.1a141ba6.4a198f4f.b955c@o2.pl> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:17:51 +0200 X-Originator: 89.76.180.179 X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?RE:_LF:_SP2KDS?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="==o2.pl-WebMail-74d9194a.595f9e90.b958c==" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --==o2.pl-WebMail-74d9194a.595f9e90.b958c== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lubos!We're calling you now!! 73! Marcin SQ2BXISP2KDS Team Hello Marcin! I have called you, but nothing. Your signal is nice, I just see your CQ "OOO= ". Lubos, OK2BVG > From: bxi@go2.pl > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:39 +0200 > Subject: LF: SP2KDS > > Dr LF Group! > We have now QRV 137,708kHz QRSS 3. > > 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > SP2KDS Club > Bu=C4=8Fte v kontaktu se sv=C3=BDmi p=C5=99=C3=A1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu= Klikni zde! --==o2.pl-WebMail-74d9194a.595f9e90.b958c== Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lubos!
We're calling you now!!
73! Marcin SQ2BXI

SP2KDS Team

Hello Marcin!
I have called you, but nothing. Your= signal is nice, I just see your CQ "OOO".

Lubos, OK2BVG
> From: bxi@go2.pl
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>= ; Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:39 +0200
> Subject: LF: SP2KDS
&= gt;
> Dr LF Group!
> We have now QRV 137,708kHz QRSS 3.
>
> 73! Marcin SQ2BXI
> SP2KDS Club
>

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--==o2.pl-WebMail-74d9194a.595f9e90.b958c==-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5384a0a67613dd; Wed, 13 May 2009 02:23:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF031-5384a0a67613dd; Wed, 13 May 2009 02:23:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M47rA-0000sZ-JW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 07:22:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M47rA-0000sQ-8R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 07:22:20 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M47r7-0006cR-DV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 07:22:19 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3624.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1F1027000084 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 08:22:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (unknown [91.105.45.195]) by mwinf3624.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 698E77000081 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 08:22:10 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090513062210432.698E77000081@mwinf3624.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:21:52 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: David Pratt References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-M (<$2f2ji$3Pc+jyVxWNVKfF9c3+D>) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 acty Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) In a recent message, mal hamilton wrote ... >Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G3CWI and G3KEV all on hi speed CW. >Mal/G3KEV >=A0 It's G4DMP, Mal. I tried to get G3DMP but the Ministry of Posts &=20 Telecommunications of the day would not let me have it as I could not=20 find his next of kin. 73 David G4DMP / G3KEP --=20 +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds, UK | | http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-58d4a1ac2f03e1; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:10:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF116-58d4a1ac2f03e1; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:10:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8cjk-0004uv-IG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:09:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8cjk-0004um-7R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:09:16 +0100 Received: from xsmtp04.mail2web.com ([168.144.250.226]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8cji-0007dD-C0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:09:15 +0100 Received: from [168.144.108.29] (helo=M2W029.mail2web.com) by xsmtp04.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8cjb-0006b3-Iq; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:09:09 -0400 Message-ID: <380-2200951251697569@M2W029.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 217.67.146.136 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "john.rabson@wanadoo.fr" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:09:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) David, Try putting the dipole on the ground and earthing both ends as well as circumstances permit. In effect you will have a large vertical loop although it will be underground. This technique is the basis of much cave radio communication, and I seem to recall that one of the earliest 73 kHz above-ground experimenters (now a Silent Key) usesd this technique to set one of the distance records on that band. By the way, does the 500 kHz NoV require you to tell the authorities whether you will be working above or below ground, as was the case on 73? John F5VLF -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com =96 Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft= =AE Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB012-ad94a21114c244; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:58:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB077-ad94a21114c244; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:58:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMG6-0008G0-Sv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:57:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMG6-0008Fr-Iq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:57:50 +0100 Received: from mail-out2.netspace.net.au ([203.10.110.72] helo=mail.netspace.net.au) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAMG2-0005NU-I8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:57:49 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (220.253-216-48.TAS.netspace.net.au [220.253.216.48]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CE36C0A7 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 20:57:32 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4A21111B.6070904@netspace.net.au> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:57:31 +1000 From: Richard Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332 Subject: Re: LF: Information Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Try http://www.hy-q.com.au lawrence mayhead wrote: > Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? > I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! > Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? > Any ideas thanks > Laurie G3AQC > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2142 - Release Date: 05/29/09 17:53:00 > > -- 73, Ric, VK7RO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (rly-mf09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.179]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF034-97f4a0decea127; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:30:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF095-97f4a0decea127; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:30:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M55tm-0000ic-Kd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 23:29:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M55tm-0000iT-65 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 23:29:02 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M55tk-0001vW-Oc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 23:29:01 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4CA7B8043 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 00:28:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB59F3862 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 00:28:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5905A5AB4; Sat, 16 May 2009 00:28:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 131.38-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (131.38-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.38.131]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 16 May 2009 00:28:14 +0200 Message-ID: <20090516002814.olvw2hgt6g84ss0g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 00:28:14 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> <20090515183514.mt168ada0ug4k4c4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <4A0D9BAC.6060808@btconnect.com> <52125C6E9B21456EBEB404A18962150C@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <52125C6E9B21456EBEB404A18962150C@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.38.131 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Aerial current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Jim, LF, indeed, class D amplifiers will (within reasonable limits) "adapt" to =20 the load impedance. At least as long as the load is resistive. I have noticed that my PA =20 (G3YXM design clone) reacts "alergic" to a complex load. My problem is that the antenna feeding point is about 35m away from =20 the house, I need a 40m coax between TX and antenna. This complicates =20 tuning if the antenna (+ loss) impedance is different from 50 Ohm. Not =20 because the TX output is 50 Ohm but because the coax is 50 Ohm and =20 will transform any impedance different from 50 Ohm resistive. If the antenna is brought to resonance (at 502.5) the impedance is 40 =20 Ohm resistive but this is tranformed by the coax to a complex =20 impedance (at 502.5) at the TX end. In fact I have to tune the antenna several kHz above 502.5 (measured =20 at the antenna feeding point) to get a resistive load on 502.5 at the =20 TX end of the cable. As so far I don't have remote tuning of the loading coil, getting the =20 antenna "tuned" is a bit labour intensive ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD Quoting James Moritz : > Dear Richard, LF Group, > > It is not generally the case that the output impedance of a PA is equal > to its design load impedance, and so maximum power delivered to load is > not the same thing as load impedance being 50 ohms or whatever. This is > especially the case with switching type amplifiers, which will usually > deliver more power to a load below the design value. > > With a switching type amplifier, assuming nothing in the PA is getting > hot, most of the DC input power is being delivered to the load as RF > (80%+ efficiency is normal). So checking DC supply voltage/current is > similar to what it is when the PA is driving a dummy load will give a > fairly good indication if the actual antenna load impedance is similar > to the dummy load, or whether the output power is more or less than > what is being delivered to the dummy load. > > Thermocouple-type RF ammeters are prone to be a bit erratic in their > old age - a check on calibration is to measure the current into a dummy > load, and compare with the current in the load calculated from the RF > voltage measured with an oscilloscope or diode voltmeter, etc. > Alternatively, DC or (preferably) 50Hz AC current can be used to check > calibration. > > The definitive place to measure RF current is at the feed point of the > antenna itself - this then allows a reasonable calculation of ERP to be > made, in conjunction with calculating the radiation resistance from the > antenna dimensions. As has been pointed out, there is generally some > impedance transformation occuring between the TX feeder and the antenna > feed point, so the currents will be different. > > The only real way to be sure whether the load impedance is what you > expect is to have some sort of instrumentation to measure it. A > suitable LF SWR bridge will tell you if the impedance deviates from the > design value of the bridge. I use either a simple "scope-match" circuit > in conjunction with an oscilloscope to indicate voltage/current/phase > at the TX output, or my LF tuning meter design (see G3YXM's "features" > page) to do something equivalent. Another possibility is to measure the > impedance with an RF bridge. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB053-d3d4a181f0856; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:06:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB121-d3d4a181f0856; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:06:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7tjd-0004EQ-MD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:06:09 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7tjd-0004EG-9H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:06:09 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr02.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.120]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7tjb-0005pH-6b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:06:09 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2bthomr02.btconnect.com with ESMTP id KKL14019; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:06:01 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:06:04 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr02.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020A.4A181EE9.0178,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Not a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed against 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very low - within 1 metre of the ground. Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping the feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q dramatically and the RX and TX performance were very poor. In configurations where the RX performance was good and the Q high, there was little on no aerial current on transmit. The only configuration that gave some antenna current was nearly useless on receive. Connecting a radial to a metal fence detuned things so much that I go nowhere like that. Heard GW0HXO's beacon at reasonable strength and GW3UEP's beacon - just. Called CQ quite a few times. No takers. Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible "line-timebase" type burble drifting across band. Clearly more work required to get a viable system. Tips? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-a6d4a205cad2d4; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:08:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA055-a6d4a205cad2d4; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:07:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAADt-0006Wk-Dd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 23:06:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAADs-0006Wb-Nz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 23:06:44 +0100 Received: from smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAADp-0002NE-3S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 23:06:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 81046 invoked from network); 29 May 2009 22:06:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=QlZTsX7cjUVLjhKUd4jJm2mjP1N4UfrKmR7dcEVa+dnYD6kCKfo/vAwy2dsIjiSmRepZHVmT911T4ShEWZ4sUJRPDpzsJhcp1imaCf3fHhVV7mL75hq5x6z006fjDm0tyxak4+fYv7C0olXT9+8wrTUs3SuU61jEexfQH9t3VcA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.109.171 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 22:06:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .UmwZvkVM1lUqF7162mPIzKl_ts68OEMKSHhg_t.ytpHpfPsVQDFuQIn5QueL0tVz6BP5vhMScqgTR6Qqn08GygJ_D0AAqWkkxSaqNBo37ziga08qMv5of3n0ozaKxFQoAP419hgnnevRxvRbWkAJPgZlpkBipydFGRyEZErNcP5prWVJjU0oAxM2Kwfokcss.7EoWETpRMm4DqI9uje9hkxG6h1RN6g4PCLRntTAF2RILKA4guHS6KGybSfoKMvwqUvLkTSnVxBHQJKgy9Dzln.3suya3bBgZAih5lSSt.xewe65jztR_yFHYHX29elXP5xDjqpVjN_abJ9u8El.Qw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <846AFC8AED804851AE6CA1E83B356E9F@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <20090529121437.120FDF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090529121437.120FDF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 23:06:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: modeling a loop Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Rik, This is my theory - At 0 degrees elevation, the far-field radiation from a rectangular loop antenna is the same as that produced by 2 vertical elements of the same dimensions as the vertical conductors in the loops and carrying the same currents (other angles/shapes would be similar, but would require resolving the horizontally and vertically directed components of the current). In this 2-element vertical array, both are carrying large currents, and the current in one is equal to the other, but flowing in the opposite direction, and the spacing between them is a very small fraction of a wavelength. The radiated field at a large distance is the result of superimposing the seperate contributions of these two vertical elements which, because of the small spacing, almost but not quite cancel each other out (they do cancel out at right angles to the plane of the loop of course). So the radiated field, and so the radiation resistance, is a result of a small difference between two relatively large numbers - the smaller the length of the loop in wavelengths, the smaller the difference gets. This is why you need much more current in a loop than a vertical of a similar size. I think the discrepancy in the simulated radiation resistance may be caused by the limited precision of the calculations done by the simulator - you would expect the effect of this to get worse as the sides of the loop became smaller fractions of a wavelength. When I have tried to simulate small loops in the past (using an old EZNEC), I have had similar problems, and also simulation errors possibly for the same kind of reason. I don't think NEC likes small loops of conductor much - I have also had problems in the past when simulating a vertical with a multi-wire top-load where the ends of the wires were connected together - the simulation results had 1 amp in the uplead, but many amps circulating through the top-loading wires. An experiment you could try is simulating larger loops to see if there is a more accurate agreement between theory and simulation. There is also the effect of the ground plane - a small loop close to a ground plane should have double the radiation resistance of one in free space due to the effect of the "image" loop reflected in the ground plane - I think this implies large currents flowing in the ground plane under the loop, so it is another matter to what extent this actually happens with a real ground plane. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:14 PM Subject: LF: modeling a loop > > I guess MMANA-GAL is not suited for modeling very small loops, is there > other software that can scope with this ? > Before going into the effort of putting op the loop I would like to have > an idea of what to expect. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (rly-mf08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.178]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF103-97a4a00d015391; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:47:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF088-97a4a00d015391; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:47:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1ULE-0004SO-CW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 00:46:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1ULE-0004SF-14 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 00:46:28 +0100 Received: from smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.72]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1UL9-0003Wh-DF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 00:46:27 +0100 Received: (qmail 75224 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 23:45:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=j2aot3UVXO7zuSir3hLEJNmdPgbb0/g6Guw+MT/A2d0yx/E6hRIL97HSC9Btb7LlCCXTpWJgNvhcLs6Bdv7lJrYq54hfL58RNRldhtqezh6gXnqD3tS+Mns109PIcyEWVzWeI22CVEpFcYlHoMYODK/IfApClq7iUChV419LEtk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.28.140 with login) by smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 23:45:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _4ROA0oVM1kar850PhTgW2KJyFxYnJTMNk6vheLp36VQkdvUU.WrFinKfT5Z7fvPvLOgYYvA.dFUE72XQEqlrKyGVlsFbTIgW4v6H3ZGbtOOS.TtoQNmr4u9.wj7fqn2vhIxOUAe2jEZFI1.ZtPQnWU4dFvaXl3QAcpUxMjNM_8Yt1r2n4u5P7m0vsR3ouA.VcTjt74ya6pqFyW5UJWuTzp862xoV76ODP3dekIptw.zupF78oC_LuRdo8q5cqJ4jVdXx_kscdeEBWGe6tJ.aMHniaScXpQ1CBz9dduGaBcxBWi858Ror86cOWpitxpdGopySZ4lCjlBY3L.Ug-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <00a201c9cddb$8d8f9920$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <000301c9bc43$b366cfa0$6401a8c0@radiocomputer> <4A00A343.3080806@g3ysx.org.uk> <9B3F74AF2AC642BB8C3317606C3D01A1@DR2> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 00:45:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Dave ask why people use invL and T's. Well if you took your trees away and put up an inv L of the same size you would have a bigger signal (field-strength) than would be given by the loop. Amongst the trees the loop works better. Its location, location, location that matters, not old wives tales, or even old commercial antenna books (they dont put "little" antennas up in the middle of forests !! for good reasons) Keep pumping the LF watts out man !! :-)) Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave.riley3" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? > A big black ferrite that works down there... > > Bifilar wound 1:1 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stewart Bryant" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? > > > > Dave > >> > >> Exhibit #1 www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP109.jpg > > > > An interesting design - what are you using as a broadband match in > > xformer for the 200KHz - HF? > > > > Thanks > > > > Stewart/G3YSX > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA081-a554a045be3368; Fri, 08 May 2009 12:21:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA025-a554a045be3368; Fri, 08 May 2009 12:20:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Sno-0005Oj-JX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:20:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Sno-0005OV-5P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:20:00 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Snl-0005NH-0z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:19:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr09.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CJQ86740; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:19:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:19:53 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.4A045BA7.0307,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all My transmitter is progressing nicely. Where should I aim for in the band? I assume that some frequencies are "taken"? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME064-9bb4a0b040e15e; Wed, 13 May 2009 13:32:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME057-9bb4a0b040e15e; Wed, 13 May 2009 13:32:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4IIQ-0005Jf-Np for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:31:10 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4IIQ-0005JW-5o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:31:10 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4IIO-0006gx-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:31:10 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqQEALOgCkpOlHLl/2dsb2JhbACEUMtGhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.114.229]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 13 May 2009 18:30:02 +0100 Message-ID: <006401c9d3f0$729cf2f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:30:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard Your Beacon is in the middle of the CW qso area. If possible move to the low band edge. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:23 PM Subject: LF: Beacon 502.7kHz > Dear all > > I have a beacon running on 502.7kHz on standard CW. I would welcome > reports as the evening progresses. I will be using it to try to engage > some SOTA people in listening on the band so that I can do some > experiments at a later date. If it causes anyone a problem please send > me a private email. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.27/2111 - Release Date: 05/12/09 18:03:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF014-5354a17f02e256; Sat, 23 May 2009 08:46:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF028-5354a17f02e256; Sat, 23 May 2009 08:46:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7qbg-0003jA-Gt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:45:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7qbg-0003j1-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:45:44 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.28]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7qbd-000530-Pr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:45:43 +0100 Received: from organisa-c1c456 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4NCja6B055654 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:45:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:45:29 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <003601c9daf5$0351b960$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A17C742.2000603@btconnect.com> <4A17DA30.2020602@btconnect.com> <4A17DCB8.4070302@btconnect.com> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A17DCB8.4070302@btconnect.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF REPORTS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Richard, It has been found that the brain of a skilled CW operator can simulate a filter as narrow as 50 Hz. The difference in noise power between a 60 Hz and 50 Hz filter is 0.79 dB. So either your FT1000 DSP filter is a bit wider or your brain filter is a bit narrower. For slow morse (10 w.p.m.) it can be advantageous to use a filter as narrow as 10 Hz. This will give a 7 dB better S/N ratio than your brain will provide. With weak signals, this really helps. 73, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG064-5f14a06c3259e; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:06:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG096-5f14a06c3259e; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:05:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M37m4-0007F6-F1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:04:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M37m4-0007Ex-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:04:56 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr04.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.122]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M37m1-0008AP-RT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:04:55 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2bthomr04.btconnect.com with ESMTP id KVG22481; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:03:33 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A06C298.8040006@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:03:36 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr04.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.4A06C295.01F8,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Cross-band contacts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear MFers A few of the SOTA crowd have started taking an interest in 500kHz since I mentioned it on their reflector. Some have been listening and hearing people. Are there any restrictions on making cross-band contacts (say 80m-500kHz)? That seems like a good way to get a few people interested. 73 Richard G3CWI (currently untangling wire for use as radials) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA042-8924a13e70123; Wed, 20 May 2009 07:18:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA024-8924a13e70123; Wed, 20 May 2009 07:18:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6jnA-0000xT-7J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 12:17:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6jn9-0000xK-QV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 12:16:59 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6jn6-0000IT-Tt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 12:16:59 +0100 X-Trace: 198707811/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar4EAM2DE0pYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKIcghCi/ZQeEAQU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,221,1241391600"; d="scan'208";a="198707811" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 20 May 2009 12:16:51 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:16:52 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c9d93c$7a2bb640$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcnY5vt7nVRsEzq2S+qRwWqzcBOrsgAUyckg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 LF, Thanks for all the replies, comments & suggestions. I thought I could do the filtering within the SpecLab software but all my attempts have had no effect at all, I am not really aware how to manipulate the filter controls to do this, if anyone can help with that it could be the answer. I will post a query to the SpecLab group. Jim, that is correct regarding the LO=512KHz & I do have a couple of alternatives but unsure until I check if they will resolve the problem. Rik, I guessed that the Q of the circuit needs to be improved but unsure how to go about it in that sort of arrangement, I will look at your ideas. Andy, I will look at the link you provided soon. Alan, thanks for the link & your comments. Graham, the 518KHz signal is so strong at times I think attenuator would be so large it would degrade the rest of the band, thanks for your comment. 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz Sent: 20 May 2009 02:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: 518khz - Notch Filter. Dear Gary, LF Group, An image of 518kHz at 506kHz implies LO = 512kHz? You could change the LO frequency to 500kHz, although then you would not be able to receive signals on that spot frequency. You could also try optimising the amplitude/phase "tweaks" in the software to give maximum rejection of the unwanted sideband at 518kHz. A simple notch filter with high rejection will inevitably have significant loss at nearby frequencies - there is a trade-off between Q, depth of notch, loss of wanted signal and frequency difference between wanted signal and notch frequencies. This can be improved by adding aditional components, e.g. adding a series capacitor to a parallel-tuned trap can "tune out" the loss at a frequency below the notch frequency. It is feasible to get something like a few dB loss at 504kHz with 20 - 25dB at 518kHz. More complicated designs like Andy's have a much nicer response shape, but may require unachieveably high inductor Q to get the design response. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC044-b0a4a006a0f57; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:32:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC026-b0a4a006a0f57; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:32:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1NYC-0001mC-RP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:31:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1NYC-0001m3-D1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:31:24 +0100 Received: from asmtpout014.mac.com ([17.148.16.89]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1NY8-0007at-W9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:31:23 +0100 MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from spool001.mac.com ([10.150.69.51]) by asmtp014.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KJ60090AJ5FN950@asmtp014.mac.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 09:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail027 ([10.13.128.27]) by spool001.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KJ6003XHJ7VC180@spool001.mac.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 09:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 12:31:07 -0400 From: "Louis Ciotti (K2LRV)" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <117176383435537904973001440417160565546-Webmail@me.com> Received: from [96.238.141.20] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:31:07 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 96.238.141.20 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: LF: LF Power Amplifier (LINEAR) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I am looking for information on LF linear amplifier design, can anyone point me to some good sources? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (rly-dc05.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.34]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC031-b244a00928116a; Tue, 05 May 2009 15:25:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC058-b244a00928116a; Tue, 05 May 2009 15:24:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1QFe-0002cy-NI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:24:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1QFe-0002cp-5D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:24:26 +0100 Received: from mail-qy0-f131.google.com ([209.85.221.131]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1QFc-0005W6-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:24:26 +0100 Received: by qyk37 with SMTP id 37so8569383qyk.30 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:24:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9Dc/PM6/r3j0n5qEiLnV0krTeGwkJdY+H0M07Ri+gGQ=; b=COCT1Q4lj2uDY8fQ8na5jViW7xO8vRPnosWs5W62jdDSCKKnNeqGDnzW/k9VKA6cGD CnTeahUlbtTOq/xFLuD2UuzWu5bSFQNrSks2TrERquhJjhdenQmRgO6amfynAz+vuGOl E+x9406ZAifXGwGPKEyCIJgubmDRUh5sLsh0Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=NYXVvcZKkWJRdDXC6Oh61/HTy//n/BARD4OJwL6mjH7fvBMnx6wZ/BYP6WqbacflLK Zu1sa1xtuRSSEJ/jvcjFgc6RpbVRhOxxbB6Y3rqvBLG5v98Aig9GhqIrHVj1V4Pmw8QI V6Y8bLJOCQimO/4rN3nedolVdz1Ho9GYexUds= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.73.1 with SMTP id a1mr741906ybl.189.1241551456867; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:24:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A006EFC.3010401@ukonline.co.uk> References: <88d2415e0905041311m2b3902d4m19e5460371c5ff88@mail.gmail.com> <4A006EFC.3010401@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:24:16 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905051224r321d6160qcf45d1ee1fedeee4@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Racal 5501 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f19a88e976004692f39f8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m210.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f19a88e976004692f39f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Peter, That would be great, I actually have a few of the FETs. My problem is that I am rather unwell, I have been having Chemo! but it should be possible to get someone to drive me over. Please remind me of your address (post code would help). I will contact you ASAP. Many thanks Laurie. 2009/5/5 Peter Dodd > Hi Laurie, > I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the > fault is clear - it just has blown power FETs. > You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the > two faulty ones > I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the moment > > Regards > > Peter, G3LDO > > >> Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments >> that I could buy? >> One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to >> about a third, >> so far can't find the fault. >> 73 Laurie G3AQC >> > > > --001e680f19a88e976004692f39f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Peter,
That would be great, I actually have a few of the FETs.
My=20= problem is that I am rather unwell, I have been having Chemo!
but it shou= ld be possible to get someone to drive me over.
Please remind me of your=20= address (post code would help).
I will contact you ASAP.
Many thanks
Laurie.
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2009/5/5 Peter Dodd <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi Laurie,
I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the fau= lt is clear - it just has blown power FETs.
You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the tw= o faulty ones
I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the momen= t

Regards

Peter, G3LDO

Does anyone have a Racal =A0Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments tha= t I could buy?
One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to about= a third,
so far can't find the fault.
73 Laurie G3AQC

--001e680f19a88e976004692f39f8-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (rly-mb09.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.167]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-d274a202f8d9f; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:55:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB093-d274a202f8d9f; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:55:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MA7E2-0005uU-UM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:54:42 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MA7E2-0005uL-Ex for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:54:42 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.215]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MA7E0-0004Wt-Qh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:54:42 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W16 ([64.4.56.116]) by bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 29 May 2009 11:54:30 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:54:30 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002601c9e08c$abb048f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <002601c9e08c$abb048f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2009 18:54:30.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[E639DF20:01C9E08E] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1848dc73-9926-4552-82d1-25552e76f988_" Subject: RE: LF: Re: IK5ZPV X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_1848dc73-9926-4552-82d1-25552e76f988_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal, LF! Yes me too. He is an acquaintance ham on 137kHz. Have a nice evening! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS=20 From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:38:33 +0100 Subject: LF: Re: IK5ZPV Lubos I have worked him many times in the past on normal CW=20 579/579=20 Mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From:=20 Lubos OK2BVG=20 =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 =20 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: LF: IK5ZPV =20 Hello LF! I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV in=20 QRSS3 mode. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 =20 Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zd= e!=20 =20 =20 =20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus=20 Database: 270.12.44/2140 - Release Date: 05/28/09=20 18:09:00 _________________________________________________________________ P=F8et=E1hn=ECte si fotografie p=F8=EDmo do chatu v Messenger. Jak se do d= =ECl=E1. http://download.live.com/messenger=3D --_1848dc73-9926-4552-82d1-25552e76f988_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal, LF!
Yes me too. He is an acquaintance ham on 137kHz.

Ha= ve a nice evening!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:= Fri, 29 May 2009 19:38:33 +0100
Subject: LF: Re: IK5ZPV

Lubos

I have worked him many times in the past on normal= CW=20 579/579

Mal/g3kev

----- Original Message= -----

Lubos O= K2BVG=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Sent: Friday, M= ay 29, 2009 7:21 PM

Subject: LF: IK= 5ZPV

Hello LF!
I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV=20= in=20 QRSS3 mode.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde!=20 =20

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.339 / Virus=20 Database: 270.12.44/2140 - Release Date: 05/28/09=20 18:09:00

Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1te= li z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde= ! =3D --_1848dc73-9926-4552-82d1-25552e76f988_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db05.mx.aol.com (rly-db05.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.80]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-ac64a1e90c01c2; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:25:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB054-ac64a1e90c01c2; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:25:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9faZ-0002OG-3A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:24:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9faY-0002O7-Na for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:24:06 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.150]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9faU-0007AE-AN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:24:05 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 14so1501581qwa.16 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:24:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oof1TKDj0rBhD3pz4d1Jk/Ku6vyn5MubWq0zYDOreDA=; b=Av6qPL5d4Mj5oWKSRQmq32svDxI3H80A4poEqfTQpv/Mi04FUpPUP2sbEkSTALOzTg 8V4DsP9XfsSXMCY1g/6Gzl8Hpo2pZvUBW6d6+OeLX5PZ63FjRaLSQzXt0oMZ6j8nu67N ANn0eQw+ykXBupzFc5FIRdEHaGYJ93CofrP0E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=yA2JfpdQXZuRoYR6Y2SneipsxXP1l2sMjjQkVLJzXmafpf2TKjTddhT6d7D4UsY8dx WM1jm+vqfExD3qJUpJ+uub/Pj1QPKJ44CXAtJX+NEtzv+Bh4aI07Hgde9bnzjHAq1Jk2 NbZUJ3UYZDXavSF4PaHcEvxBUpdP9uId6+oRI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.46.18 with SMTP id h18mr1409815qaf.182.1243517041586; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:24:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <003201c9df81$e9e4c8f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <003201c9df81$e9e4c8f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:24:01 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905280624k3bd34499he4b67d5af33bae52@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m283.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) The BC-306 tuning is a good one too. Inside it is a tapped coil + variometer, maximum inductance about 1.2 mH. http://www.questmasters.us/B-24_Page_3.html http://eshop1.chem.buffalo.edu/600-Meter-TX.html -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 6:47 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 called MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER > AIRCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with 200 feet trailing wire > antenna. > Contains variometer, switches and vac relay. > I have a nice specimen at my QTH. > Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching. > Maybe someone has used one in a B29 > > G3KEV > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-b254a19b3e833; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:54:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC061-b254a19b3e833; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:54:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Kh0-0001sX-Bn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:53:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Kgz-0001sO-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:53:13 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Kgy-0000Gc-6p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:53:13 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD0C51C004 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:52:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED5A31E702 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:52:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id F03CE5AEA; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:52:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 84.36-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (84.36-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.36.84]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:52:54 +0200 Message-ID: <20090524225254.y10w811zpym88s0s@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:52:54 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <108EF969E1FE4E14821FD0B03287232F@JimPC> <20090524213307.sbrh6ea8x2g4og4s@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <7ED4E103A61B462EB9BBD98AB79610B1@JimPC> <20090524224607.90l9xp4i23k000gs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090524224607.90l9xp4i23k000gs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.36.84 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) G0MRF now peaking 549 with lots of QSB But still in beacon mode ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Rik Strobbe : > Hello Jim, > > thanks for the info. > I can hear the beacon CW on 503.1 with 429 report. > Without QRN it would be a solid copy. > > 73, Rik > > Quoting James Moritz : > >> Dear Rik, LF Group, >> >> At the moment (2030utc), they are transmitting a CW beacon signal on >> 503.1kHz, apparently the same signal level as before. QRN is getting >> very heavy here. >> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >> 73 de M0BMU >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:33 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV >> >> >>> nil from G0MRF here (until 19:30 UTC) >>> Are they QRV ? >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB094-ae24a0893e81c7; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:09:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB088-ae24a0893e81c7; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:08:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3cj0-0006DY-Jn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:07:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3cj0-0006DP-5a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:07:50 +0100 Received: from smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.72]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3ciy-0006Qx-RZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:07:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 48953 invoked from network); 11 May 2009 21:06:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=mUDljbC8OpbcAs7YMimrT02tKkHpHNKWbOk0sPlXVlX0vtjKs5bUoHtBKlqHZGSwPfrra70HuUH/Au+FvCRz1sy4PlICgKjedshK1hr4WgqPHMdGsGl+x5de4AMKzRqyKRESX6hxUimW+1f97z8lpyBiL2+RXcHdsnh3B47cxfQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.106.68 with login) by smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2009 21:06:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: C1JPEp4VM1k4im.Zm5WKkXXS1L.9gLH4B_2OFXVhRJETPBToZIF7HGE_lfd._f53hBL1ul0.blaogp_FzLVNN6wNeDlK88TtrndCX2VlBEGeVmZvHCv0gXUgVSTuHZzOHKxyYhe_Wso7Je8leZw9rSZz5o8hyb9RJwwf2OSzmSsBJ3PYZPlUpbUuolZrqFnGw5HE7qc1xXanAzYGdwvBzpDcNpQXUrQ6JI.4sG7W7BDeNd6heOL8dXRSOAQ42eibKbw_tdQnRfvhW_ZyPQOs4EshBjHC8x2uwWSj0Ls1szZ1h4ekfQd3qwFQTTf8.6WsURthSseaedlm1xzf2PIz2Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <9659CE43107944DF8A7F81D69373369E@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1B3950C0CC6641F29CD92B0269A04581@JimPC> <6CAB0066191C4E76B92C8821061A1CB9@AGB> <20090511101759.CBFC3F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090511101759.CBFC3F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:59:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 3 Mode Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Rik, LF Group, There are a couple of things I have noticed about MFSK4 receiving Graham's beacon, and in a QSO with G0NBD and M0LMH last week: The frequency has to be set accurately; a 3Hz offset was enough to prevent any copy. The AFC function in FLdigi did not appear to work well in this mode. Once set to the correct frequency, you have to wait several seconds before any copy is produced. This would seem to be because of the interleaving of data over several transmitted symbols. The result is that unless TX and RX frequencies are accurately calibrated, it is quite possible to get no copy with good signals. Adjusting the frequency offset by trial and error is tricky, especially with short transmissions, due to the delay in decoding. Once the frequency is accurately set, it seems to work quite well, although it was slower, and had wider bandwidth, compared to the other two modes. I will probably be transmitting WSPR again in the next few days, once the RX antennas are sorted out - maybe I will even be able to receive you then ;-) I'll let you know. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 3 Mode Beacon Jim, Graham, MFSK4 seems to be good once you have it synchronized, as John (W1TAG) states. But the threshold to synchronize seems to be rather high. Despite the fact that you signal was audible and the both Throbx2 and psk31 were printing well I couldn't decode anything in MFSK4. MFSK4 is probably a good mode to scope with QSB/QRN for a signal the that peaks strong enough but when the signal is really weak Throbx2 seems the winner. A pity that there is little info about Throb(x) on the web. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T PS: Jim, if you plan another WSPR session please let me know. I will try to join (transmitting). From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df10.mx.aol.com (rly-df10.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.23]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF031-57f4a04a4af2d1; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:31:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF102-57f4a04a4af2d1; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:31:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2XeS-0007Sr-HD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:30:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2XeS-0007Si-6D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:30:40 +0100 Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2XeO-00011Q-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:30:39 +0100 Received: from DR2 ([71.184.212.10]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJC00AOHH260MB8@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:30:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "dave.riley3" To: References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:30:05 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Any T/A all nighter beacons?? 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On the band was a lot of QRM last night, but I saw "W" well. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS _________________________________________________________________ What's New v�m to �ekne hned, jak se to stane. Uka� mi jak. http://home.live.com/ --_59afe38e-710f-4c08-bd3b-c73043f17e04_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Anatolij, LF!
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--_d76cf126-cc44-436a-91fe-ef5e3e7aa04e_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME093-9974a0ef7ff27e; Sat, 16 May 2009 13:29:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME013-9974a0ef7ff27e; Sat, 16 May 2009 13:29:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5Nga-0002fJ-BL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 18:28:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5Nga-0002fA-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 18:28:36 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5NgW-0003Tt-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 18:28:35 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoYFAPeUDkpOlW5W/2dsb2JhbACCUoIAh0IGxR+EAQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.110.86]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 18:28:27 +0100 Message-ID: <007101c9d64b$b954bf40$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 18:28:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006E_01C9D654.1AE6F3B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C9D654.1AE6F3B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now looking for acty on 137.7 Khz.Nil so far mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C9D654.1AE6F3B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now looking for acty on 137.7 Khz.Nil so=20 far

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------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C9D654.1AE6F3B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG081-5f24a17e41221c; Sat, 23 May 2009 07:55:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG097-5f24a17e41221c; Sat, 23 May 2009 07:55:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7pnw-0003SX-J4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:54:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7pnw-0003SO-7p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:54:20 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr14.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.132]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7pnt-0004nK-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:54:19 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2bthomr14.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DFU28455; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:54:13 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A17E3E7.9070806@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:54:15 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A17AE9F.2070000@btconnect.com> <8AB8247AC0EC491BB2748E799A45AC0B@AGB> <4A17D26B.9060605@btconnect.com> <20090523133605.1qbynq53yd20ckgw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090523133605.1qbynq53yd20ckgw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr14.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.4A17E3E5.016F,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: M0FMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik Strobbe wrote: > Hello Richard, > > if you let me know when / on what frequency you are transmitting I > will try to copy your signal. > > Rik I hope to be QRV at 1330z today portable from IO83xd. 200ft inverted L with 8m vertical section. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc04.mx.aol.com (rly-mc04.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.88]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC044-d6d4a11c48c232; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:27:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC045-d6d4a11c48c232; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:26:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M69Pp-00022E-Hm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:26:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M69Pp-000225-5O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:26:29 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M69Pn-0005nq-24 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:26:29 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3542.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BF0901C00085 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 22:26:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.31.18]) by mwinf3542.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 7118F1C00084 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 22:26:21 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090518202621463.7118F1C00084@mwinf3542.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <5E438D372376461CB7DB182FFCE2B0F5@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:26:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Beacon - 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Gosh , CW from the speaker ! 589 in io83lk , 39.8 miles , 286 deg Nice signal G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:42 PM To: Subject: LF: Beacon - 500kHz > > I heard someone beaconing on 501.1kHz at 2030 local tonight. Just too > weak to make out the call. Got "test" and QSK before they stopped. > > My beacon is on 501.8 now. > > Any recommended transverter designs for LF? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > - > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: 05/18/09 > 06:28:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB094-ace4a0013a6356; Tue, 05 May 2009 06:23:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB064-ace4a0013a6356; Tue, 05 May 2009 06:23:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1HnB-0000oM-Pr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 11:22:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1HnB-0000oD-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 11:22:29 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1Hn9-0008NF-AM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 11:22:29 +0100 X-Trace: 193222499/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq0EACuw/0lYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKIcVhBHASweDegU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,296,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="193222499" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 May 2009 11:22:24 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:22:24 +0100 Message-ID: <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnNAN2zCNYIMSkfQnSBgrySdarppAAabADg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Rik, You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal needs to be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the partial decode. A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using 85Hz. Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode judging by the strength of your signal. 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test Hello Gary, call the is almost right, locator completely. But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for the last 2 minutes or so. I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further changes, not sure that this is the best mode. So any advice is welcome. I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors and options. I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz bandwidth. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi Rik, > > This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & locator > :- > > RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: rtty test > > dear all, > > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC > Reports and/or reply welcome. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD024-b7c4a0db3cd3b6; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:26:46 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD056-b7c4a0db3cd3b6; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:26:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M526O-0008JA-SV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:25:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M526O-0008J1-HO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:25:48 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M526L-0000kO-8U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:25:47 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsgEAFtQDUpZ8IaW/2dsb2JhbACCUoF9hF2CZQbEN4QBBQ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.134.150]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 19:24:39 +0100 Message-ID: <006201c9d58a$68f0bb60$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:24:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LF/MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01C9D592.C9B873E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C9D592.C9B873E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now QRV 137.7 and 502.5 RX mode. Nil acty at present 1820 utc TX standby for= QSO mode. G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C9D592.C9B873E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now QRV 137.7 and 502.5 RX mode. Nil acty a= t=20 present 1820 utc TX standby for QSO mode.

G3KEV

------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C9D592.C9B873E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA013-8d54a1ab5ac356; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:14:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA107-8d54a1ab5ac356; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:13:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8brZ-0004fr-DU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:13:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8brY-0004fi-Uy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:13:16 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.127]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8brW-0007GY-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:13:16 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2bthomr09.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DJW49710; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:13:09 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A1AB588.2070603@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:13:12 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A19A7E4.4030606@btconnect.com> <84D65F58F723418B8DC8672A3B10C875@64683d74b6134b3> In-Reply-To: <84D65F58F723418B8DC8672A3B10C875@64683d74b6134b3> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0204.4A1AB585.015B,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Monday activity 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Robert Bennett wrote: > > I know this is a bit off topic, but rather than going up in altitude, > had you considered going down? > > It is over 20 years since I was last in your part of the world, but as > I remember it there is quite a large area of salt marsh at Pagham, a > few miles further along the coast. An aerial with its feet in that > might be an interesting proposition. > Pagham?! It's a long way from Macclesfield. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME013-9a54a1968811ef; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:32:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME031-9a54a1968811ef; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:32:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8FfQ-000881-JK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:31:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8FfQ-00087s-81 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:31:16 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr01.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8FfN-0000Mg-Sz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:31:15 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2beaomr01.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id DNG33165; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:31:08 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A196840.1090803@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:31:12 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> <14D90153B05D421EB30356D325877C2D@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <14D90153B05D421EB30356D325877C2D@JimPC> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr01.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0202.4A19683D.006B,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all Someone has suggested running a sloping wire down a cliff and top feeding it. This is an interesting idea. Extending on that idea, if the lower end of the wire was connected to some radials and the upper ends was fed against earth might that work? Instead of a capacity hat it would perhaps be a capacity bottom antenna. Setting up such a system could be hard though. I have not abseiled in a long time. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA082-a4a4a183d0b3b; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:14:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA012-a4a4a183d0b3b; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:14:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7viz-0004f2-QA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 19:13:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7viz-0004et-6h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 19:13:37 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7vix-0006Jf-16 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 19:13:37 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai8FAALaF0pcHCA8/2dsb2JhbACCJyuCAoRggmIGxViECwU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.28.32.60]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 19:13:26 +0100 Message-ID: <00a701c9dbd2$2ac18330$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 19:13:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9DBDA.8C4586D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9DBDA.8C4586D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Checking 137.7 kcs area for acty g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9DBDA.8C4586D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9DBDA.8C4586D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC074-b3c4a01f5d541; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:41:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC088-b3c4a01f5d541; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:40:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1nuT-0007sw-IY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:40:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1nuS-0007si-GH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:40:08 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1nuQ-00067a-2O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:40:07 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AB651C003 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:39:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B4531E702 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:39:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 2FC675BEC; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:39:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 69.175-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (69.175-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.240.175.69]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:39:54 +0200 Message-ID: <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:39:54 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.240.175.69 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, Gerhard, right now (20:35 UTC) I can see traces of my signal on the G3YXM =20 grabber and strong signals from Gary. 73, Rik on the Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi Rik & Gerhard, > > When Rik makes his CQ call I will attempt to make a 2 way contact using th= e > same settings. > > Any reports will be welcome. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 06 May 2009 21:04 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 > minutes. > Same mode as yesterday. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> Hello Rik, >> >> Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. >> Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY tes= t >> transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward > to >> verify a new mode. >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC >> Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) >> >> 73, Rik >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> >>> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one >> more >>> chance for decoding.... >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Hello Gerhard, >>> >>> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>> >>>> >>>> Hello Rik, >>>> >>>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>>> >>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>>> and listen inbetween. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>>> >>>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>>> >>>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer > transmissions. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>> >>>>>> OK Rik, >>>>>> >>>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to >> monitor, >>>> I >>>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>>> >>>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>>> The way I did it: >>>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to > FIR >>>> BPF >>>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK= " >>>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>>> >>>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>>> >>>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>>> needs >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got > the >>>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your > spec. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us >> using >>>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better > decode >>>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobb= e >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the >> colors >>>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. > 100Hz >>>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>>>> locator >>>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik > Strobbe >>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 a= t >>>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC082-b3d4a148c60361; Wed, 20 May 2009 19:04:18 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC091-b3d4a148c60361; Wed, 20 May 2009 19:04:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6uoN-0005ae-Cq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 00:02:59 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6uoM-0005aV-NO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 00:02:58 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.62]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6uoK-0004WR-BB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 00:02:58 +0100 Received: (qmail 58829 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 23:02:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=24se9jpK1wOWErrja0ccBVD/WYU3oIqUb3/ocHtm544Ps1iQWs2JRQLwfWWPTJt6eGTLClQ9plhmChmlWrkBXOuq+enKGXXGrhEFg/CX24oBAec4aSd3mNGjEHT0gfIX0Gdt4vUigFtmkgNW0z7d/NTjd/fn3JyOqL03D9bknvE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 23:02:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mek8dC4VM1m3yJqPnKyaN__IGmGDRdIevADPGAdDdT4lQOfdEO5TU4ArIctCTgujjjwe1OU65JuSXe9TpHbtbBtGcCHFXW0E8WPj6cpJXNhmD1mNNpidQYKTO802ljX5TJP96318le8Jc0eNeyNLVZrA2shAqUYd_PAZ5CwYrc31VGbVnZ7lm2dhegHpLTMwD1wbfhJR83YUJlrRcQtvEMOGm2XyL9gosRTDr_nEmuVRiepNs6afGb.vxMgcvZIu9inw_wI814IaCMWMDUXGHjRd.IAdn8xonaZ.GLR9HMrlXgsdz30- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6651D2695E544D67B12A34A8183A52C2@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> <001501c9d93c$7a2bb640$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <001501c9d93c$7a2bb640$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 00:02:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C9D9A7.7AD78400" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C9D9A7.7AD78400 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Gary, LF group, Since this kind of notch filter has other useful applications too, I had a go at designing something useable from available bits. I used an IF transformer from an ancient transistor radio as a parallel-tuned trap - see the attachment.The circuit is essentially an RF bridge - the1:1 transformer and preset resistor balance out the finite resistance of the trap at resonance. This is a similar principle to Alan's bridged-T circuit. With critical "safe-cracking" adjustments, rejection of 60dB can be achieved at a spot frequency, although the notch is very narrow. But >30dB can be achieved over a useful bandwidth. The 3n3 capacitors flatten out the passband near the cut off frequency and make the response a squarer shape on the LF side of the notch. The improved notch depth is traded off for higher insertion loss, but this is still fairly reasonable at around 4dB. The input/output impedances should be of the order of 50 ohms, but are not critical. You could make a better filter if the Q was higher - the IF transformer had Q around 90; an MW ferrite rod aerial can have a Q of 200 or so at this frequency. The performance of my prototype with 50R source and load looked like this: Loss in passband - 4dB Response down by 3dB at 348kHz, 511.5kHz, 540kHz Bandwidth of rejection notch at -20dB: 2.2kHz, -30dB: 700Hz, -40dB: 200Hz Looking at G4WGT's grabber, that should be adequate to more or less eliminate the Navtex signal image. When I put it between my antenna and RX, it certainly reduced the louder Navtex signals from S9 down into the noise. 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References: <002201c9bc24$6c33fa00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><27CD374833AB46EBA48AF59F6CC2BEF3@DR2><006901c9bc4c$6e72e650$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><20090413221651.jucoh8ac9ogg84g0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><3AFA1B7B9D1240C5AD141ECA52E8A9D2@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090503224435.g501r41tl6tcw484@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 23:25:45 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090503224435.g501r41tl6tcw484@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnMMKJJcuWF0LKoSd6fSIogWSQSMAABKwKA X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: LF: CQ_Test from OR7T Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, LF Congrads to your ufb transverter + linear!!! I am looking forward monitoring your Digital Transmissions. Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Mai 2009 22:45 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: CQ_Test from OR7T Hello Gerhard, LF, thanks for the report. I just finished a transverter + linear PA and it was one of the first =20 on-air tests. Transverter: 4.5MHz to 500kHz with 4MHz xtal osc + SBL1 mixer + buffer =20 amp 50mW out PA: modified 3-30MHz PA, just changed the input and output transformers. Output is about 100W (1.5A antenna current) Power is about 4dB down on the other (class D) PA, but modifying an =20 existing PA was the fast option. I hope to run some first digital tests (PSK, WSPR, RTTY ...) during =20 the next weeks. Maybe I'll try to build a "big" 500kHz linear PA (> 300W) in summer. Building a 500kHz modified version of the G3YXM linear PA for 160-40m =20 (http://wireless.org.uk/throb.htm) looks tempting, anyone tried this =20 already ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > > Hello Rik, LF > > > > heard your Test_Call (OR7T) on 502,7 KHz in Regular CW-Mode with 559 > > in JN59LN. > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA043-8b24a17d0c0256; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:32:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA064-8b24a17d0c0256; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:32:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7oW6-0002mo-4K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:31:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7oW5-0002mf-Lu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:31:49 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7oW2-0004Na-Li for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:31:48 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3ABB61C00084 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:31:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.56.40]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id AB39C1C00081 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:31:36 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090523103136701.AB39C1C00081@mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <8AB8247AC0EC491BB2748E799A45AC0B@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4A17AE9F.2070000@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A17AE9F.2070000@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:31:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: M0FMT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard, Your beacon was quite strong the other night into Wallasey, 3 miles west of Liverpool , what is you power/ae set up ? Graham -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:06 AM To: Subject: LF: M0FMT > > Calling CQ on 502. Heard many times here in last couple of days but > can't hear me :-( > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.36/2128 - Release Date: 05/22/09 > 06:03:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db05.mx.aol.com (rly-db05.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.80]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB061-ac94a115b2f3a8; Mon, 18 May 2009 08:57:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB057-ac94a115b2f3a8; Mon, 18 May 2009 08:57:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M62OH-0008Tf-P1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:56:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M62OH-0008TW-8y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:56:25 +0100 Received: from psmtp09.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.23]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M62OF-0008Fr-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:56:25 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp09.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KJU004CJBXT4A@psmtp09.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 14:56:17 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:56:15 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <7A4EC72FBFD14EE6BCDFD2F1B77BCC12@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AFJ 18-05.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xQQvKazS7lGhgx7Q5pDGAg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_xQQvKazS7lGhgx7Q5pDGAg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_+9Wg5/Q7XRC84Rqm3lT+jA)" --Boundary_(ID_+9Wg5/Q7XRC84Rqm3lT+jA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Jean-Pierre,lf capture with spm-19 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: AFJ 18-05.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi Jean-Pierre,lf

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73s
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mwinf3619.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id D0E917000084 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:31:49 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090504203149855.D0E917000084@mwinf3619.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <109DCE3D58BE4C3DAD93CFE7859DA29B@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8bf118410905040810m1fb41016pab9a1c0a7c79bf06@mail.gmail.com> <106017.93017.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <106017.93017.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 21:31:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01C9CCFF.B55DCD00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C9CCFF.B55DCD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris Its not the battery is it ... assume the supply voltage / regulated volta= ge is holding constant ? G ..=20 From: Chris Osborn=20 Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:23 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Thanks again Dave and Alan, I've spent a few more hours on the F/S meter today and still have not found=20= the problem. I can blow with a drinking straw on any component and there's very little output change yet with time there's a slow drift with temperature - the outp= ut goes up with increased temperature. I thought I'd found the problem as by squeezing the ferrite rod 's screening= tube I could get a fair change in the output (about 10 %). The tube's metal is not aluminium but I guess an aluminium alloy. In any case I changed it for a proper aluminium tube - no difference ! >From the shack's temperature of 23 degrees and taking the F/S meter outside= to an ambient=20 13 degrees the meter's output changed from 0.48 volts to 0.35 volts !! I have run out of ideas now and am thinking maybe it's even the permeability= of the die cast box that's changing or maybe the perspex end caps of the ferrite rod. . . . I'm=20= getting desperate ! 73 Chris G3XIZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, 4 May, 2009 16:10:26 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Chris Have you tried a can of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies?=20= Is it the ferrite aerial or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain= then a little negative feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-deco= upled source resistor. Dave 'YXM 2009/5/3 Chris Osborn LF, I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook= ), modified for use on the 500 kHz band. I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering availa= ble components, the differences being: a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published varicap= s. b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the publi= shed LW coil. I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field ye= t the=20 field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and= can vary up to 30 %. I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've spe= nt hours trying to correct it. 73 Chris G3XIZ --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Chris

Its not the battery is it ... assume=20 the supply voltage / regulated voltage is holding =20 constant ?

G ..

From: Chris Osborn

Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:23 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

Thanks again Dave and Alan,

I've spent a few more hours on the F= /S=20 meter today and still have not found the problem.
I can blow with a drink= ing=20 straw on any component and= =20 there's very little
output change yet with time there's a slow drift with= =20 temperature - the output goes up
with increased temperature.

I tho= ught=20 I'd found the problem as by squeezing the ferrite rod 's screening tube
I= =20 could get a fair change in the output (about 10 %).
The tube's metal is n= ot=20 aluminium but I guess an aluminium alloy.
In any case I changed it for a=20 proper aluminium tube - no difference !

From the shack's temperature=20 of 23 degrees and taking the F/S meter outside to an ambient
13=20 degrees the meter's output changed from 0.48 volts to 0.35 volts=20 !!

I have run out of ideas now and am thinking maybe it's even the=20 permeability of the die cast box
that's changing or maybe the perspex end= =20 caps of the ferrite rod. . . . I'm getting desperate !

73 Chris=20 G3XIZ

From: Dave Pick=20 <daveyxm@googlemail.com>
To:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent:= Monday, 4 May, 2009=20 16:10:26
Subject: Re: LF:= Field=20 Strength Meter - advice needed

Chris

Have you tried a c= an=20 of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies? Is it the ferrite aer= ial=20 or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain then a little negative=20 feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-decoupled source=20 resistor.

Dave 'YXM

2009/5/3 Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>

LF,

I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF=20 Experimenters' Handbook),
modified for use on the 500 kHz band.

= I've=20 followed the published circuit as near as possible considering available=20 components,
the differences being:
a) I have used a small variable=20 capacitor instead of the published varicaps.
b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in= the=20 front end instead of dual gate mosfets.
c) Obviously I now use the MW c= oil=20 of the ferrite rod instead of the published LW coil.

I have made a=20 decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet the
fiel= d=20 strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and can v= ary=20 up to
30 %.

I would be most grateful for any advice on curing th= is=20 problem as I've spent hours trying
to correct it.

73 Chris=20 G3XIZ

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G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

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------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C9CCFF.B55DCD00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-55b4a21153515c; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:15:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF066-55b4a21153515c; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:15:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMWE-0000BE-Db for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:14:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMWE-0000B5-2N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:14:30 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAMWA-0005V4-JG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:14:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 99559 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 11:14:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=INNBbWu9Hg6ARW+kwJI9cY10/KkS4hfvIgWJoXCh0KdDFtU1IjUgDlLxJb9NkI/xvjC3WeT3rtTvd1zxDMI8AJWaD65ECyGDub/xQRbf12QiN5eHajSW6Mqjn7MLDnLEo3VCUY/6DWUrto4HUF43t5rBE+c+ovG9cphQWJdbXhw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.109.171 with login) by smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 11:14:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yw749eYVM1nbdREqhsEFSBngSnTej4JovEd6A_s3hb_S3L0qEIGuVEWm_2nb9gg5eszkxuvWTI1E8RoxvczZlx8vrtoxjWzadHWt6dvLX8SSoKyqSSiJrC9PB_9PV5KDNJETXPaBxolI7J4mnfvotajjCrg69Sde.gEg_Mu_TshhR8l2wJAzH3WmDb0H2kmRnmf.3r5yAtBc6soPXIgOoSkEMg7OTFoOIcFFwhqq56_Jo9wRT2wN_8fb4L3YKsH6pjfJGUkj7Gix_93doVYCbUj67p86tIxqYcb3KZ9eW4pcW2pbzXVwPqLxzzeSsF2xnwRLXmDzgs2rfeZ0.4nHSFZkvHoM X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <680B4916AEFB47F8BF97E03185A1E223@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:14:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Information - crystals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Laurie, LF Group, Quartslab, who used to have an ad in RadCom, seem to have moved to Ireland, but are still offering one-off crystals - see http://www.quartslab.com/ Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "lawrence mayhead" To: "rsgb" Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: LF: Information > Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB074-af14a0491a7376; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:10:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB107-af14a0491a7376; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:10:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2WOG-0006XU-HB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:09:52 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2WOG-0006XK-3s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:09:52 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2WOE-00015F-PD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:09:52 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C65BF7000086 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:09:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.36.218]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 8FC027000082 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:09:42 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090508200942588.8FC027000082@mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:09:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Gary , What do you make the BW ? looks to be just 100 Hz close in ? Tnx - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary - G4WGT" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:59 PM To: Subject: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > > Hi Graham, LF, > > Coming in here no problem. > > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham > Sent: 08 May 2009 20:05 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > > > Narrow , MFSK 4 running 503.000 cent freq > > tx set 502.000 usb / 1000 hz audio cent > > FLDIGI software > > 100 Hz bw ? how wide do you make it ? > > tnx- Graham > > G0NBD > > IO83LK > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2103 - Release Date: 05/07/09 > 18:05:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC073-b064a17d29415c; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:40:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC022-b064a17d29415c; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:40:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7odl-0002zQ-Iq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:39:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7odl-0002zH-6h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:39:45 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr05.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.183]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7odj-0004YN-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:39:45 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2beaomr05.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id COF28110; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:39:37 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A17D26B.9060605@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:39:39 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A17AE9F.2070000@btconnect.com> <8AB8247AC0EC491BB2748E799A45AC0B@AGB> In-Reply-To: <8AB8247AC0EC491BB2748E799A45AC0B@AGB> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr05.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0207.4A17D269.0127,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: M0FMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham wrote: > Richard, > > Your beacon was quite strong the other night into Wallasey, 3 miles > west of Liverpool , what is you power/ae set up ? > Graham I am running about 15 watts into a T aerial with 40m top and 6m vertical. This is at 10m above ground level. I estimate the ERP at a little less than 100mW. I would be grateful for any field strength measurements. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG083-a394a069cbe399; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:22:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG103-a394a069cbe399; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:22:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M35E3-0006qM-Hf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:21:39 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M35E3-0006qD-4g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:21:39 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M35E1-0007ST-HN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:21:39 +0100 X-Trace: 193219819/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvgEAFo5BkpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTYQWvVoHgXaCAQU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,323,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="193219819" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 10 May 2009 10:20:36 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <4A067B34.9060701@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:20:36 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c9d150$941e6aa0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <4A067B34.9060701@btconnect.com> Thread-Index: AcnRPSm5B+xM6wbwR2mVpfg4/Z/U8QAEuEQg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard, You wrote :- G4WGT was strong (599) Thank you for my report & welcome to the 500KHz band. Do you know about the UK500KHZ Group at :- http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Richard Newstead Sent: 10 May 2009 07:59 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test James Moritz wrote: > Dear Gary, LF Group, > > You are S5 here at the moment in a the rising QRN. Also can see G0NBD > and OR7T attempting a QSO in MSK4 - Rik's signal is just about visible > on the waterfall, but will have to wait until I have completed > noise-cancelling improvements before I will stand a chance of copying > it here. G4JNT's beacon is also a good signal. > > Earlier, I had a CW QSO with G3XIZ, and this morning with Dennis, > M0JXM, who was a new one for me. > Jim I heard you and G3XIZ well in IO83wg (both 559). G4WGT was strong (599) G0NBD was also strong (589). The Swedish beacon on 500 was 549. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5aa4a11ba77a9; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:44:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG025-5aa4a11ba77a9; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:43:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M68jf-0001Jn-Ix for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M68je-0001Je-WE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:55 +0100 Received: from imr-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M68jc-0004r8-Gi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:54 +0100 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-d03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a11b9f1161; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:37 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.cb0.4135fb56 (34922) for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.154]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA037-5c3c4a11b9e691; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:30 -0400 Received: from webmail-dd01 (webmail-dd01.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.1]) by smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB032-5c3c4a11b9e691; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:26 -0400 References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> <20090517222630.ae0y0n55sb7ookoo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g0mrf@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42951-STANDARD Received: from 87.80.206.159 by webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.1) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:26 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBA607C4722FC0-157C-146@webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBA607C487A4FC_157C_2AF_webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_20_30,HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CBA607C487A4FC_157C_2AF_webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" And yet, the first transatlantic cross band and 136kHz - 136k=C2=A0QSOs both= involved stations south of Watford.=C2=A0 Dream on Crazy diamond. David Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136= and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in th= at area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.=C2=A0 Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scot= land and still do. -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops This is a meaningless argument about 25 watts and range on LF. One needs to=20= know about the actual antenna in use and the resulting ERP.=C2=A0 Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136= and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in th= at area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.=C2=A0 Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scot= land and still do.=C2=A0 There were also some big signals from EU at the time, unfortunately now all=20= gone QRT, all active on CW.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 G3KEV=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" =C2=A0 To: =C2=A0 Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM=C2=A0 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi Warren,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 depends on what you call a neighbour.=C2=A0 In the early days of 136kHz I worked=3D2 0stations up to 400km under=C2=A0 similar conditions.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Quoting Warren Ziegler :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Tnx Laurence,=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will=C2=A0 > have to get some of his neighbors on.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 73 Warren K2ORS=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China > wr= ote:=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites -=20= >> fyi=C2=A0 >> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> From: ja3vqw Hiroshi=C2=A0 >> Hi Laurence=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> Thanks for your e-mail.=C2=A0 >> Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last= =C2=A0 >> month.=C2=A0 >> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO >> w= ith=C2=A0 >> any station.=C2=A0 >> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz.=C2=A0 >> So if you find my signal please QSL me.=C2=A0 >> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W.=C2=A0 >> The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long.=C2=A0 >> 73=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! 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And yet, the first transatlantic cross band and 136kHz - 136k QSOs= both involved stations south of Watford.

Dream on Crazy diamond.

David

Early U= K experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136 and co= uld not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in that area= . This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.
Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scot= land and still do.

-----Original Message-----
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27
Subject: Re: LF: JA ops

This is a meaningless argument about 25 wat= ts and range on LF. One needs to know about the actual antenna in use and th= e resulting ERP.
Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136= and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in th= at area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.
Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scot= land and still do.
There were also some big signals from EU at the time, unfortunately now all=20= gone QRT, all active on CW.

G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JA ops

Hi Warren,

depends on what you call a neighbour.
In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to 400km under
similar conditions.

73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.= com>:

> Tnx Laurence,
>
> If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will&nbs= p;
> have to get some of his neighbors on.
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>
> On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com> > wrote: =
>>
>> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info si= tes - >> fyi
>> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A
>>
>>
>> From: ja3vqw Hiroshi
>> Hi Laurence
>>
>> Thanks for your e-mail.
>> Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho= ) last
>> month.
>> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QS= O >> wit h
>> any station.
>> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz.
>> So if you find my signal please QSL me.
>> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W.
>> The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long.
>> 73
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=E2=80=99t worry about s= torage limits. >> Check
>> it out.
>> _________________________________________________________________&n= bsp;
>> Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=C2=AE. >> http://windows= live.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1= _052009
>
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB/2
> WE2XGR/1
>
>

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----------MB_8CBA607C487A4FC_157C_2AF_webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA071-a7c4a0d9c1ccb; Fri, 15 May 2009 12:45:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA074-a7c4a0d9c1ccb; Fri, 15 May 2009 12:45:18 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M50We-0007pJ-Vd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:44:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M50We-0007pA-KA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:44:48 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr02.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.120]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M50WY-0008TX-C7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:44:47 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host81-155-60-146.range81-155.btcentralplus.com [81.155.60.146]) by c2bthomr02.btconnect.com with ESMTP id KIZ48246; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:43:22 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0D9BAC.6060808@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:43:24 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> <20090515183514.mt168ada0ug4k4c4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090515183514.mt168ada0ug4k4c4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr02.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.4A0D9BAA.0146,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Aerial current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik Strobbe wrote: > Hello Richard, > > is you antenna matched to 50 Ohm ? Not sure but the optimum power transfer suggests that it is matched to the output impedance of the transmitter. > If you just bring it to resonance (loading coild adjustment) the > antenna impedance can be anything between 10 and 100 Ohm. > And some 10m's length of coax can cause some odd impedance > transformations, even on 500kHz. > > There is no coax involved (well only 30cm) here so it is not that! Strange! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de11.mx.aol.com (rly-de11.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.147]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE051-51249fcd4793ad; Sat, 02 May 2009 19:17:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE113-51249fcd4793ad; Sat, 02 May 2009 19:17:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0ORe-0007ev-1v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 00:16:34 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0ORd-0007em-AV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 00:16:33 +0100 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0ORb-00007t-KC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 00:16:33 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-19-222.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.19.222] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1M0ORT-000Gcl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 00:16:23 +0100 Message-ID: <49FCD76F.2060303@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 00:29:51 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> In-Reply-To: <555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RU beacons May 1-2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090202050805060900000308" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------090202050805060900000308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello again Ed, Just closed down at 2300z. The attached image shows your signal from 2050 to 2250z. It was just beginning to fade at the end. I have dismantled my 136station to make way for more general antenna work. The receiving arrangement used for 136kHz tonight was an HF multiband quad and feeder with a loading and matching arrangement. The receiver is an FT 990. No other signals seen on the band. Regards Peter G3LDO > > I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z, > on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3. > > QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May) > abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical) > QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop) > > Reports welcome > > 73! 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3xlo5BAVM1lhwdaQwbDfnlPW8R8xOF4yiMqKLJMbbY_KSjBxzb8oAhyXByG6zlr36BBbiZQrOkEEGvr8WvuVvA5cn2nX2Rfpwek6nfpxKtU9fCJpstzyVROP6FJtFx2Fu_d.ylzsk8zJpKcVZhMLyIJodmchQrtOCMHKN9kmBeS82sRJnBGTmetoqsy5P_5Lf6xtQzDM0T8NjggdlmjSKR4kN.6XqvaM2kWzKWoGtj4Ah2xlf4EtUo_y7IL6rBZnBlTxNNPdeTS15SF7zCGsoT0Wq6qIO1rf6060T1gphasnj9r1yKXIM7KX0BGBxemdu0Dn92uZ X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6F0CDDC7203448F5A37B67DD2B02B1D5@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:08:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Beacon - 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 2nd attempt... > Any recommended transverter designs for LF? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI Dear Richard, LF Group, You can see what I am using if you go to http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/files and download the file EER_Transverter_v3.pdf. The basic transverter part provides receive and milliwatt-level transmit over 10kHz - 550kHz, and could be used with types of PA other than the EER modulator/class D designs described. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE031-4d94a13c15a22f; Wed, 20 May 2009 04:38:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE056-4d94a13c15a22f; Wed, 20 May 2009 04:37:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6hIO-0000PO-63 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:37:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6hIN-0000PF-Js for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:37:03 +0100 Received: from smtp122.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.84.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6hIN-0008Mf-31 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:37:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 92222 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 08:36:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=wHP1um119wSiJfDD9EAqSWqHLOTluYE3gPH1WgZlBntalX1jLP/+71T+qkIfDEz3E6CU3zDGrNk0jvFX1gNPzjIpo7MRvGcalR3NcZxaUberxNGqHEKGNexzFpMz/CXB3nsKDF4TbF5yKjYhwnK9rhdvg5XF33MeBh1Afwt8uMo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.138.91.254 with login) by smtp122.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 08:36:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DhT8k7QVM1nc53zxkXvUmcCrsInFPHBUHjpedITHOl445U4H.ShvsUTYtuvzr0cxCeHx9q6DsRtfew81Lrw.uwIonz5bBZHZVkWMIcP1AbR8OVXkuGHG84R.UMtgs5pb93rUCJTzqhh._EnJTCgyUUeMZfVeEbaJXnGB314gOsU2p1h4uu7F5Qr_TEY5_jOao9gw_4Yg5H4vTeBVlxAyO6EOsAst.vIaG5fm4pca9_I_DlUkJokF8Vw5r2C_rW7pYTRvSs_DOdCMyXzXsTjUSxC_2r2MHOs.CNFAIAXW3xBEbCMhGRbdYNPUT5lI_ZVjo1Ww8xZSghAbYsFiwH4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <117598D055BB4752B434D00FED548617@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> <20090519232905.l4n0cl7o5vk0oogs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:36:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C9D92E.821D4890" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C9D92E.821D4890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andy. Where can I obtain a copy of Ansoft Designer from, I usually use Addie for f= ilters, a second option would be worth having. 73 Ken M0KHW=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:07 PM Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Ansoft Designer came up with this solution.=20 http://www.g4jnt.com/518kHz_BandStop.gif The component values aren't particulalrly nice, and there is almost certai= nly a nicer design with transformers to be found, but... Andy G4JNT 2009/5/19 Rik Strobbe Gary, a simple series L-C notch works best when - Q is high =3D you need a good coil (capacitor Q shouldn't be the probl= em) - the output "sees" a high impedance (FET buffer) - the source impedance is high compared to the loss resistance of the co= il (eventualy put a R of a few 100 Ohm in serie with the antenna) But it will be a hard job to get a decent attenuation at 518 while passi= ng 501-506 without too much losses. An alternative would be a xtal filter as a passband filter for 501-506. If you can find a number of 500kHz xtals and "polish" them up some kHz. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=20 Quoting Gary - G4WGT : Hi LF, You may have seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at=20= about 506KHz. The original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz. I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel filter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possib= ly due to the bandwidth of the filter?? Is there some simple narrow notch filter which I could use to remove t= he offending signal. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C9D92E.821D4890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Andy.

Where can I obtain a copy of Ansoft Designe= r from,=20 I usually use Addie for filters, a second option would be worth=20 having.

73

Ken

M0KHW

----- Original Message -----

Andy Talbot

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:07=20 PM

Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch=20 Filter.

Ansoft Designer came up with this solution.

http://www.g= 4jnt.com/518kHz_BandStop.gif

The component values aren't particulalrly nice, and there i= s=20 almost certainly a nicer design with transformers to be found, but...

Andy G4JNT

2009/5/19 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&= gt;

Gary,

a=20 simple series L-C notch works best when
- Q is high =3D you need a go= od=20 coil (capacitor Q shouldn't be the problem)
- the output "sees" a hig= h=20 impedance (FET buffer)
- the source impedance is high compared to the= =20 loss resistance of the coil (eventualy put a R of a few 100 Ohm in serie= =20 with the antenna)
But it will be a hard job to get a decent attenuati= on=20 at 518 while passing 501-506 without too much losses.

An alternat= ive=20 would be a xtal filter as a passband filter for 501-506.
If you can f= ind=20 a number of 500kHz xtals and "polish" them up some kHz.

73, Rik=20 ON7YD - OR7T=20

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:
=

Hi=20 LF,

You may have seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my= =20 500KHz grabber at about
506KHz. The original of this image is at=20 518KHz. The receiver for this
grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz mod= ule=20 modified for 500KHz.

I have attempted to notch the sign= al=20 using a simple series or parallel
filter but only succeeded in=20 seriously degrading the whole band possibly due
to the bandwidth of= the=20 filter??

Is there some simple narrow notch filter which= I=20 could use to remove the
offending=20 signal.

73,

Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83QP.

------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C9D92E.821D4890-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-abf4a0b3338225; Wed, 13 May 2009 16:53:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB045-abf4a0b3338225; Wed, 13 May 2009 16:53:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4LR3-0006WX-Ke for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 21:52:17 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4LR3-0006WO-5z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 21:52:17 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4LR0-0008DD-Na for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 21:52:17 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 56EBF7000085 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:52:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.52.149]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id CB5537000082 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:52:06 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090513205206832.CB5537000082@mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:51:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Warren, Yes ..its not the dds , but the rock that runs it hihi , first one i saw in use was fed with nearly 1 ghz clock , before the ppl clock systems .. dont think the ppl systems wander .. but do seem to produce more 'spurs .. all my kit is conventional xtla ref /ppl , this vfo is run some old xtal controlled marine equipment mf/hf .. so will be behind quite a few tuned cct's (you should of seen the traces from my 4 mtr (70 mhz) wspr tx a while back .. now that was drift) tnx- G .. This one seems to fit the bill , link from Gerhard , http://www.box73.de/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=112_115&products_id=119&osCsid=9nk30edle1v6k0oooub8e4fjs2 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Ziegler" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:48 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? > > Graham, > > Be aware that some of the available DDS kits use a > non-temperature compensated reference oscillator and may not be > suitable for longer duration QRSS work unless you take care to keep > them in a constant temp environment. > I ran an inexpensive DDS driving my 137kHz transmitter, and you could > tell when I turned the thermostat up or down in the hamshack by the > direction of drift of my QRSS 60 signals! > The worst case was when I had it sitting in a rack above my > oscilloscope, you should have seen the drift after using the scope and > turning it off! > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Graham wrote: >> >> Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit , >> better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working >> even better ! >> >> Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to >> enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device >> >> Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master >> oscillator for tx >> >> Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) >> >> Tnx- Graham . > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2110 - Release Date: 05/12/09 > 06:22:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC083-b1c4a00b7ce36d; Tue, 05 May 2009 18:04:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC048-b1c4a00b7ce36d; Tue, 05 May 2009 18:04:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1SjO-0004CX-Rl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 23:03:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1SjO-0004CO-GS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 23:03:18 +0100 Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1SjL-00036s-HW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 23:03:17 +0100 Received: from DR2 ([71.184.212.10]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJ600BJNYKK3DIT@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:02:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <9B3F74AF2AC642BB8C3317606C3D01A1@DR2> From: "dave.riley3" To: References: <000301c9bc43$b366cfa0$6401a8c0@radiocomputer> <4A00A343.3080806@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 18:02:44 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 A big black ferrite that works down there... Bifilar wound 1:1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Bryant" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? > Dave >> >> Exhibit #1 www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP109.jpg > > An interesting design - what are you using as a broadband match in > xformer for the 200KHz - HF? > > Thanks > > Stewart/G3YSX > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (rly-mf09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.179]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF084-97c4a007edb298; Tue, 05 May 2009 14:01:18 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF092-97c4a007edb298; Tue, 05 May 2009 14:01:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1Ovy-00026p-La for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:00:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1Ovy-00026g-75 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:00:02 +0100 Received: from imo-m13.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.101] helo=imo-m13.mail.aol.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1Ovw-0000Gd-9H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:00:01 +0100 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imo-m13.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a007e8216; Tue, 05 May 2009 13:59:40 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.ca9.48719234 (37540) for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.150]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB021-5c784a007e7222e; Tue, 05 May 2009 13:59:27 -0400 Received: from webmail-da16 (webmail-da16.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.211]) by smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB037-5c784a007e7222e; Tue, 05 May 2009 13:59:14 -0400 References: <88d2415e0905041311m2b3902d4m19e5460371c5ff88@mail.gmail.com> <4A006EFC.3010401@ukonline.co.uk> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 13:59:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4A006EFC.3010401@ukonline.co.uk> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g0mrf@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42813-STANDARD Received: from 87.80.206.159 by webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.211) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 May 2009 13:59:14 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB9BC255FD96DE-10B0-1974@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Racal 5501 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB9BC25610A9C6_10B0_3462_webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_20_30,HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CB9BC25610A9C6_10B0_3462_webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Laurie. I recall that when I first powered up my Decca, it had low output on one module. That turned out to be a blown diode in the power recovery unit.? - It's been so long I've forgotten the full detail. 73 David Hi Laurie,? I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the fault is clear - it just has blown power FETs.? You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the two faulty ones? I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the moment? ? Regards? ? Peter, G3LDO? >? > Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments > that I could buy?? > One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to > about a third,? > so far can't find the fault.? > 73 Laurie G3AQC? -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dodd To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:53 Subject: Re: LF: Racal 5501 Hi Laurie,? I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the fault is clear - it just has blown power FETs.? You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the two faulty ones? I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the moment? ? Regards? ? Peter, G3LDO? >? > Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments > that I could buy?? > One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to > about a third,? > so far can't find the fault.? > 73 Laurie G3AQC? ? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ----------MB_8CB9BC25610A9C6_10B0_3462_webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Laurie.

I recall that when I first powered up my Decca, it had low output on one module. That turned out to be a blown diode in the power recovery unit. - It's been so long I've forgotten the full detail.

73

David

Hi Laurie,
I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the fault is clear - it just has blown power FETs.
You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the two faulty ones
I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the moment

Regards

Peter, G3LDO
>
> Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments > that I could buy?
> One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to > about a third,
> so far can't find the fault.
> 73 Laurie G3AQC

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Dodd <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:53
Subject: Re: LF: Racal 5501

Hi Laurie,
I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the fault is clear - it just has blown power FETs.
You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the two faulty ones
I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the moment

Regards

Peter, G3LDO
>
> Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments > that I could buy?
> One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to > about a third,
> so far can't find the fault.
> 73 Laurie G3AQC

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mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.156.196]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 17:32:59 +0100 Message-ID: <005e01c9dfb1$f6b87920$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:32:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C9DFBA.584D1E90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C9DFBA.584D1E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable B29 MAMA BEAR equipment, how did it get that name? I wonder. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: F4DTL@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF B29 or B17 Mal, My CU25 ATU modified for the 137 KHz trafic: http://img37.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3Dcu25.jpg 73 de F4DTL Nicolas Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 28/05/2009 12:50:38 Paris, Madrid (heure d'=E9t= =E9), g3kevmal@talktalk.net a =E9crit : Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 called MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER AI= RCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with 200 feet trailing wire ante= nna.=20 Contains variometer, switches and vac relay.=20 I have a nice specimen at my QTH. Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching. Maybe someone has used one in a B29 G3KEV ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/27/09= 18:21:00 ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C9DFBA.584D1E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
B29 MAMA BEAR equipment, how did it get that name? I wonder.

mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

F4DTL@aol.com <= /DIV>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:51=20 PM

Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF

B29 or B17 Mal,

My CU25 ATU modified for the 137 KHz trafic:

ht= tp://img37.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3Dcu25.jpg

73 de F4DTL=20 Nicolas

Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 28/05/2009 12:50:38 Paris, Madrid (heure d'= =E9t=E9),=20 g3kevmal@talktalk.net a =E9cr= it=20 :

Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13=20= called=20 MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER AIRCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs wi= th=20 200 feet trailing wire antenna.

Contains variometer, switches and vac r= elay.=20

I have a nice specimen at my QTH.

Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna=20 matching.

Maybe someone has used one in a=20 B29

G3KEV

=

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Releas= e=20 Date: 05/27/09 18:21:00
------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C9DFBA.584D1E90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma08.mx.aol.com (rly-ma08.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.52]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA082-8bf4a21103f26f; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:54:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA081-8bf4a21103f26f; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:53:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMBd-00089w-O8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:53:13 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMBd-00089n-5g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:53:13 +0100 Received: from smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAMBb-0007yj-8t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:53:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 53420 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 10:53:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=ounvkxfb5bDv64enZZCe1wD6jkpC7KCrdjSKix+j9A01IPK+vmKXGHg823eAXwGcXjXpiSzJUEizYcrsH6sLRQ17Ai35n9fJdXZPM4wO9FeEm9ftNpv2uvn820Y8JcRfnqMP2wMRoRe/nukgVuaCUQHyRB5nGVR40GZmj0FCIyQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.141.127.128 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 10:53:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IhvFSFMVM1lgqnyB.EDRSCl4445opqKaxZ4pSpxz1_MGrB_CW9D4wQOz4i6CiWYmbOJMkJ2Ek89Yb_s3J9J37Zdjh_cEOYqZRKlz73TxUazPsLlsP5_gTEObZPf3CrDyzWU49Bf_1XMGXyTJ5dAk8UIAQ61xl4F7JABLRKe5u9mioeHB9h4aTKN_0_Pcrjmy3_CJWWw.xb6.zoGJfOxaZlnRgIkrKXEfILLtSCcX9oYZSksHqTgx3.JGFcixqQquMmOQs.E4lkbrTtOIKkBrdk_YWD6L8DL2cNGoefglq4ifjM_82F6UAHIGkDhI5Rko2HkEWxoHjGIZc2MUCNtPeLcu0Y0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:53:17 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C9E11D.386C4290" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C9E11D.386C4290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laurie, McKnight and Hy-Q used to advertise in RadCom. They may still be trading. Addresses below. IQD are also around, but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like us! What frequency/style are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector probably has what you need. McKnight Crystals...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY 01703-848961 ENGLANDHy-Q Intrnational (UK) Ltd. (44) 01223-834444 Fax: (44) 01223-834589. http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/ 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence mayhead Sent: 30 May 2009 11:42 To: rsgb Subject: LF: Information Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? Any ideas thanks Laurie G3AQC ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C9E11D.386C4290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Laurie,

McKnight and Hy-Q used to advertise in RadCom. They may=20 still be trading. Addresses below.

IQD=20 are also around, but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like=20 us!

What=20 frequency/style are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector probably has=20= what=20 you need.

McKnight <= B style=3D"COLOR: black; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(160,255,255)">Crystals...= Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY 01703-848961 ENGLAND

Hy-Q Intrnational (UK= ) Ltd. (44) 01223-834444 Fax: (44) 01223-834589.

http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence=20 mayhead
Sent: 30 May 2009 11:42
To:=20 rsgb
Subject: LF: Information

Does anybody=20 manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days?
I have trawled Go= ogle=20 to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!!
Nothing in Radcom. What's=20 happened to companies like QCC ?
Any ideas thanks
Laurie=20 G3AQC
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C9E11D.386C4290-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df01.mx.aol.com (rly-df01.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.14]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5244a089e0b379; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:52:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF011-5244a089e0b379; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:52:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dPL-0006tF-Kz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:51:35 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dPL-0006t6-6L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:51:35 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3dPJ-0006ia-L8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:51:35 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5AABC1C00085 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:51:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.77.94]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 192B21C00081 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:51:28 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090511215128103.192B21C00081@mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6D1C191EA94A411EBE76070137DF884E@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> In-Reply-To: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:51:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C9D28A.FB949BB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C9D28A.FB949BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gus, Good signal , 5/9 & 599 , just on the 38 ft vertical and the ft897-d no a= tu=20 73 Graham G0NBD IO83LK From: Gus=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 0= 7:02:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C9D28A.FB949BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gus,

Good signal , 5/9 & 599   , j= ust on=20 the 38 ft vertical and the ft897-d no atu

73 Graham

G0NBD

IO83LK

From: Gus

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kH= z=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW i= d=20 include....

Reports are wellcome.

73 de Gus SM6BHZ

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Da= tabase:=20 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 07:02:00
------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C9D28A.FB949BB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD041-91d4a11d4f23ae; Mon, 18 May 2009 17:36:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD085-91d4a11d4f23ae; Mon, 18 May 2009 17:36:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6AUu-0002Nd-HO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 22:35:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6AUu-0002NU-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 22:35:48 +0100 Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.6]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6AUp-0005UG-5E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 22:35:47 +0100 Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDEF5E08002 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 23:35:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B595CE08111 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 23:35:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A11D4AA.1000107@online.fr> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:35:38 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <96A5CC12310B473B9AF0D24F26D9296F@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <96A5CC12310B473B9AF0D24F26D9296F@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AFJ-2.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Henny , good copy ! 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj henny van elst a =E9crit : > Hello Jean-Pierre,Lf > Capture with rohde&schwarz ek891 > big signal, > henny cpm > best 73s > > =20 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de04.mx.aol.com (rly-de04.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.140]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE021-4cf49fc2010a2; Sat, 02 May 2009 06:27:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE046-4cf49fc2010a2; Sat, 02 May 2009 06:27:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0CQC-0006Or-VB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 11:26:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0CQC-0006Oi-IA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 11:26:16 +0100 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.156]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0CQA-0002eW-73 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 11:26:16 +0100 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so1644331yxf.64 for ; Sat, 02 May 2009 03:26:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z04dWV5mc/04D/FlqwCJJWYoocSr4quvuaNiXbJJOKY=; b=lgyKcIW2PuGFniZMnwefwqpB6jCWC/5n0NIoHcVODM3TWulJU082UI4cKaPpknRqBn c58M/LXTVPWK1scgsu0hGcKlz+2Hi+SQ3GYFjkrYyhLhh6QIyBpqo8WBCe20PQJvOeNh LLRi4fpIsj9Cs6KXN4jl6c7jtcLfwdzY4YR60= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=B/OKzWUbpHiCu8A/Y3wq6trhURTdpSpGpmlEI3r8b/9fTUfu46qb15OVUKf7mjNjrx m+ymdVZOXHVylbpk+iqzx5qO9BTZYwWh/IoAMdyDw2VnrDp+vqiMwkhowkyO9gHhGphZ zyjp8kmoAPUxJFYi3S9ltcpmbv01Ffsfz8wR4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.56.16 with SMTP id e16mr235404aga.50.1241259969799; Sat, 02 May 2009 03:26:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 06:26:09 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905020326j5f95c90bqaafb265762b760c5@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Japan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m241.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Laurence, Cool! Never heard anything about any Japanese activity or interest in LF/MF - be interested to see if anyone gets on. Glad to hear that they got 3.1kHz rather than the mere 2.1 kHz the rest of the world has. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrote: > From 7L1RLL "A new 3.1KHz band width from 135.7KHz to 137.8KHz is assigned > for amateur radio in Japan since March 30 2009." > Either CW or narrow band width data transmition less than 100Hz shall be > used in the new band" > ________________________________ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. See how. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB041-ad04a0dc8762ac; Fri, 15 May 2009 15:54:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB066-ad04a0dc8762ac; Fri, 15 May 2009 15:54:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M53TU-0000Nm-HY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:53:44 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M53TU-0000Nd-5e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:53:44 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M53TS-0004aJ-1F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:53:44 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At8EADdlDUpcGJ1G/2dsb2JhbACCJyuBfYRdgmUGxCmEAQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.24.157.70]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 20:53:32 +0100 Message-ID: <009301c9d596$d39640a0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:53:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: OE5ODL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0090_01C9D59F.3221C4C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C9D59F.3221C4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GOOD SIGNAL QRS3 137.7 Khz 1952 utc de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C9D59F.3221C4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
GOOD SIGNAL QRS3 137.7 Khz 1952 utc<= /DIV>
de g3kev

------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C9D59F.3221C4C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db09.mx.aol.com (rly-db09.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.84]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB091-ae74a202cb56f; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:43:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB095-ae74a202cb56f; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:43:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MA72L-0005g1-JJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:42:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MA72L-0005fr-5m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:42:37 +0100 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MA72J-0004RZ-QX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:42:37 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KKF00G3Z5AS3N@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:42:28 +0200 (MEST) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:42:24 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <83D97B4F38DA47CD8839DB5CEE178257@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: IK5ZPV Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_I6mtuUxUQrgO8adHVpRCxw)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_I6mtuUxUQrgO8adHVpRCxw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lubos,lf hey did not see me, henny pa3cpm 73s ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:21 PM Subject: LF: IK5ZPV Hello LF! I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV in QRSS3 mode. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zd= e!=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.45/2141 - Release Date: 05/29/09= 06:28:00 --Boundary_(ID_I6mtuUxUQrgO8adHVpRCxw) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lubos,lf

hey did not see me,

henny pa3cpm

73s

----- Original Message -----

Lubos OK2= BVG=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:21 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: LF: IK5ZPV

Hello LF!
I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV=20= in=20 QRSS3 mode.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde!=20

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.339 / Viru= s=20 Database: 270.12.45/2141 - Release Date: 05/29/09=20 06:28:00
--Boundary_(ID_I6mtuUxUQrgO8adHVpRCxw)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD022-b694a2173c53a5; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:58:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD033-b694a2173c53a5; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:58:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MASoj-0002uP-He for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:58:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MASoj-0002uG-5V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:58:01 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MASoh-0001WR-2i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:58:01 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYEAEoQIUpOlGLM/2dsb2JhbACCJyuCCIdQBsQJhAwF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.98.204]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 18:57:51 +0100 Message-ID: <00d901c9e150$268eb610$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:57:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Need info Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C9E158.881503A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C9E158.881503A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UPS unit POWERWARE PRESTIGE EXT 1800P2HVSE =20 Tech manual or any info appreciated tnx mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C9E158.881503A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
UPS unit

POWERWARE PRESTIGE EXT 1800P2HVSE &nbs= p; =20

Tech manual or any info appreciated<= /DIV>
tnx mal/g3kev

------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C9E158.881503A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de03.mx.aol.com (rly-de03.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.139]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE072-4c64a046be532e; Fri, 08 May 2009 13:29:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE037-4c64a046be532e; Fri, 08 May 2009 13:29:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Trx-0005o2-Ir for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:28:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Trx-0005nt-3s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:28:21 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr04.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.182]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Tru-0006S3-R5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:28:20 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr04.btconnect.com with ESMTP id BAF83858; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:28:12 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 18:28:15 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr04.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020A.4A046BAD.018F,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dave Pick wrote: > Richard > > I think most are "VFO" controlled... Centre of activity appears to be > between 502-503 with beacony things nearer the edges. If you came up > on 502.5 you wouldn't go far wrong! > Thanks Dave. I have had great trouble in getting the UEP VFO into the band as it initially would only just reach 500kHz. In the end I had to remove the trimmer and the 33p to deck, put a second resonator in parallel and couple them to the IC via 150pF instead of directly. With those mods I am now on 502.5kHz. I will need to check to make sure that it stays reliably on frequency (or in the band) over the likely supply voltage and temp range. Still, I'm making progress. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (rly-dd07.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.154]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD082-b884a1705cead; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:07:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD072-b884a1705cead; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:06:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7azi-0001Js-RU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:05:30 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7azi-0001Jj-Cl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:05:30 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7azg-0000km-Gc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:05:30 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mail-ew0-f180.google.com ([209.85.219.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7uPd-00064W-CC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:49:35 +0100 Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so2807189ewy.4 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:49:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=uYVav9Yl6jYxYQDCkiaucPvnIFtfi9Ii8xl6JjwzOc8=; b=MMgh9qrVSOjCWDt7DYRkV+ETUvPPZkHIeIbKJ++c5jssRTBLeq9BAvLiJ9UtYfeMCm v0jFu39DwppW9m1XMzQvsd0IRaAJs0hBUAzjEET73YK5RlK/5GdvxzZha8+M//yI6YZb IwKmzOMTbRzjfB7Kghsz9XI4NFGcDT2KGfs4o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xJRn3yc5Si8lxcun/cnU6bJW9dZ4HvlFcsnB8o5FIEN/TI5ohx1JvRGuvCef1XgPJg qgMqgTwZpge7ycJ4MyNfsasdO+X0qW2aIElG6EE/TkaQkCGSokYQrEQ++fwcrQonTYZ2 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rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d244.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6daa7d30cf970046a972992 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Just think topband with the dimensions scaled accordingly, you were therefore using a 50ft inverted L with a less than 2m high vertical section getting lower.... and 12W. I think a kite is the only way with QRP! I saw something on the grabber though, round about 2pm local? Dave 2009/5/23 Richard Newstead > Not a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed > against 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very > low - within 1 metre of the ground. > > Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping > the feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q > dramatically and the RX and TX performance were very poor. In configurations > where the RX performance was good and the Q high, there was little on no > aerial current on transmit. The only configuration that gave some antenna > current was nearly useless on receive. Connecting a radial to a metal fence > detuned things so much that I go nowhere like that. > > Heard GW0HXO's beacon at reasonable strength and GW3UEP's beacon - just. > Called CQ quite a few times. No takers. > > Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible > "line-timebase" type burble drifting across band. > > Clearly more work required to get a viable system. Tips? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --0016e6daa7d30cf970046a972992 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Richard

Just think topband with the dimensions scaled accordingly, yo= u were therefore using a 50ft inverted L with a less than 2m high vertical s= ection getting lower.... and 12W. I think a kite is the only way with QRP! I saw something on the grabber though, round about 2pm local?

Dave
2009/5/23 Richard Newstead <g3cwi@btconnect.com>

Not a great success= . Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed against 3 radials ea= ch between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very low - within 1 metre=20= of the ground.

Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping t= he feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q dramatic= ally and the RX and TX performance were very poor. In configurations where t= he RX performance was good and the Q high, there was little on no aerial cur= rent on transmit. The only configuration that gave some antenna current was=20= nearly useless on receive. Connecting a radial to a metal fence detuned thin= gs so much that I go nowhere like that.

Heard GW0HXO's beacon at reasonable strength and GW3UEP's beacon - j= ust. Called CQ quite a few times. No takers.

Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible "l= ine-timebase" type burble drifting across band.

Clearly more work required to get a viable system. Tips?

73

Richard
G3CWI

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G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham=20= UK
--0016e6daa7d30cf970046a972992-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB014-cfa4a008c601e7; Tue, 05 May 2009 14:58:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB036-cfa4a008c601e7; Tue, 05 May 2009 14:58:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1Pq3-0002PI-Sn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:57:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1Pq3-0002P9-Hs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:57:59 +0100 Received: from mta41.charter.net ([216.33.127.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1Pq2-00017k-2R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:57:59 +0100 Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.10]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090505185733.UACP9620.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:57:33 -0400 Received: from mp14 ([209.225.8.244]) by imp10 with charter.net id nuxZ1b0065Fuk6h05uxZzs; Tue, 05 May 2009 14:57:33 -0400 Message-ID: <20090505145733.ZR0ZK.2161725.root@mp14> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:57:33 -0700 From: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 64.206.3.50 by ssomail.charter.net; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:57:32 -0400 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: XES 137.779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) WD2XES will be running DFCW on 137.779 kHz tonight from 0H to 0230 UTC with 1W ERP. Elements will be 90 sec, 0.2 Hz shift -- the usual. Reports are welcome. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD041-b804a0c3034db; Thu, 14 May 2009 10:52:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD062-b804a0c3034db; Thu, 14 May 2009 10:52:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4cHU-0006Nh-P1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 15:51:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4cHU-0006NY-Cx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 15:51:32 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4cHQ-0007QA-SB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 15:51:31 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYEAHfMC0pZ8omn/2dsb2JhbACEUMxPhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.137.167]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 15:51:21 +0100 Message-ID: <007201c9d4a3$7221df30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> <006401c9d3f0$729cf2f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A0B0633.4040302@btconnect.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:51:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard The data modes were causing you QRM and taking up 1 khz Bandwidth as well. Draw your own conclusions. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz > mal hamilton wrote: >> Richard >> Your Beacon is in the middle of the CW qso area. If possible move to >> the low band edge. >> mal/g3kev >> >> > Hi Mal > > Comment noted. It was where the data tests were the other night so I > thought it might be OK (it is narrower than they were). Where would folk > recommend for tests of this sort? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > -- > SOTA Beams > Quality products for Radio Amateurs > http://www.sotabeams.co.uk > > Tel: 01625-425700 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.27/2111 - Release Date: 05/12/09 18:03:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG042-5db4a0edeb43e6; Sat, 16 May 2009 11:42:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG074-5db4a0edeb43e6; Sat, 16 May 2009 11:41:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5M0I-0002W2-A9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 16:40:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5M0H-0002Vt-V6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 16:40:49 +0100 Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca ([64.59.134.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5M0E-0002tF-6A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 16:40:49 +0100 Received: from pd7ml2no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.162]) by pd5mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 16 May 2009 09:39:40 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=_Dj-zB-qAAAA:8 a=9qtwGcYzzh2kab8lsAsA:9 a=3M5AUVSC6X1a-HSJPDWmS3ivjF4A:4 Received: from unknown (HELO MaynePC) ([24.108.39.108]) by pd7ml2no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with SMTP; 16 May 2009 09:39:40 -0600 Message-ID: <0EC3E035F38648FE858E9FC1A533E0C8@MaynePC> From: To: References: <7.0.1.0.0.20090516191226.01a127b0@xtra.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20090516191226.01a127b0@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:39:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: BC221T Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > I gather that there are still some emergency services using this frequency > in the Pacific region. I think this is one of the excuses many 'authorities' have been using in order to do nothing about amateur interests in 600m. It's hard to drum into their heads that we don't want 500.000 kHz. Steve WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-a534a1dbc8a3c7; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:20:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA023-a534a1dbc8a3c7; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:19:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9RSd-0000mM-A5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:18:59 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9RSc-0000mD-O0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:18:58 +0100 Received: from mx12.go2.pl ([193.17.41.142] helo=poczta.o2.pl) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9RSa-000645-5i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:18:58 +0100 Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx12 [127.0.0.1]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF5D104008 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:18:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bxi (unknown [193.189.116.61]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:18:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <009301c9df19$1a61c000$6551e00a@bxi> From: "Marcin" To: References: <4A19A7E4.4030606@btconnect.com> <84D65F58F723418B8DC8672A3B10C875@64683d74b6134b3> <4A1AB588.2070603@btconnect.com> <84EEB64668A34793A28A4B2B3E8DACE6@64683d74b6134b3> <4A1B9B85.3070501@btconnect.com> <20090527165022.288760@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:18:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: Re: reports DI2AM OK0EMW SK6RUD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0090_01C9DF29.DBF109F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C9DF29.DBF109F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello! Now 500kHz SWL on North Poland: SM6BHZ 57/579, audio: http://www.sp2kds.pl/attachments/205_sm6bhz.mp3 SK6RUD on CW 345, strong local QRM DI2AM only QRSS "O" OK0EMW only QRSS "O" Locator: JO94GJ; RX: IC746; antenna: HF long windom 83m -- Vy 73! 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<8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 00:58:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Any T/A all nighter beacons?? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Dave, LF Group, M0BMU is now running in WSPR mode on 502.4kHz "dial frequency", 503.9kHz RF. Any reports very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de08.mx.aol.com (rly-de08.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.144]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE052-4f84a1018293bd; Sun, 17 May 2009 09:59:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE087-4f84a1018293bd; Sun, 17 May 2009 09:59:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5gs5-0005cW-By for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 14:57:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5gs4-0005cN-TC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 14:57:44 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s14.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.25]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5gry-0004y9-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 14:57:44 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W14 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s14.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 17 May 2009 06:57:33 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [117.12.236.120] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 05:57:33 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2009 13:57:33.0141 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D0A0850:01C9D6F7] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b5371266-df21-4fe0-997e-666d9e6f473d_" Subject: LF: JA ops X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_b5371266-df21-4fe0-997e-666d9e6f473d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites - fyi= 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A From: ja3vqw Hiroshi Hi Laurence=20 Thanks for your e-mail. Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last mo= nth. I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO with a= ny station. I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz. So if you find my signal please QSL me. My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W. The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long. 73 =20 Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. Che= ck it out. _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto= rial_QuickAdd1_052009=3D --_b5371266-df21-4fe0-997e-666d9e6f473d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites - fyi= 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A

From: ja3vqw Hiroshi
Hi Laurence

Thanks for your e-mail.

Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) la= st month.

I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got=20= QSO with any station.

I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz.

So if you find my signal please QSL me.

My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W.

The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long.

73

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See how. =3D --_b5371266-df21-4fe0-997e-666d9e6f473d_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA031-a574a190c4e306; Sun, 24 May 2009 04:59:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA027-a574a190c4e306; Sun, 24 May 2009 04:58:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M89X9-0006yh-AL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:58:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M89X8-0006yY-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:58:18 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f170.google.com ([209.85.217.170]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M89X3-0006p0-1d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:58:17 +0100 Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so2415881gxk.4 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 01:58:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MsvdieUh7DEvKVoSMxoHzUVBCJnXeWfeE3vPiSYwiSY=; b=eI1VhTQxXrJtPSghA5xZ7dWIvWaZUD3c/Yxm6hIAtK41SI4AQxj1PyURIfWmkFiYUH V1LCERPZmiMf0Kz90PCqfmYymBOqNyS8MvRMU3ecljNGQxKG5zbW9waKvogWNYm5gmt0 QK2RhINA6c3KEwcCs1as2AAz0xyXMfE6fAbK4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=iETQl5fS5sI9+GOFfIaSylfVtz8HwTRe3s591XC43wW6BDJ3OwwR6u8025z0kCsvKz B1UeUS6ke7RBNCLskHIV/Qd3O5rSvUwnlLQGP3+l3aX3cw1HA4mQUMyIe2bCkffTgFZh lFwutf/gvBLFcBPJhvK03Apo7/R/u4a6FLihk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.73.9 with SMTP id a9mr11499517ybl.60.1243155484534; Sun, 24 May 2009 01:58:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CBA9F282F0E172-BD8-2E43@webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com> References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <8CBA9F282F0E172-BD8-2E43@webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:58:04 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905240158l205c0700y3413766a82d07827@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: First Portable Trip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f0ff80e6697046aa4b1ab X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW, HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d271.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f0ff80e6697046aa4b1ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Richard, I must commend your efforts to go portable. However there seems to me to be one major problem. That is GROUND, all antennas except loops (more later) need to work against "Ground" which is not really ground as we know it since at LF the earth is pretty transparent, varies a bit, but mainly RF penetrates many feet. Think about cave radio. So we use counterpoise/radial etc. wires, but to be any good these have to be quarter wave long! ie 125meters !!! not easy when you are portable. At home the mains feed, is probably the best radial available, since it goes to all the other houses far and near. So your problem is not so much to fly a kite or balloon but to find a few hundred yards of viable fencing/old railway etc. But Loops are different, no ground required and mebbe you could lay a horizontal loop out on the ground (its pretty transparent after all ) better still a mountain site not in East Sussex though I guess. Lots of data on LF Loops on the reflector, matching etc. Best of luck and will always listen for you 73 Laurie. 2009/5/23 > Hi Richard. > > I've used a system similar to yours with some success. Mine, now > dismantled, is detailed at > > http://www.g0mrf.com/500kAntenna.htm > > It was a 10m mast with a very small 3m top section. Power in 7.5W PEP. > 100km was no problem 24/7 with good conditions it made it to ON and PA. > With very good conditions it made it to the Scotish Islands at apx 800km but > that was rare. > > The photo shows a variometer in series with a fixed coil in series with > another fixed coil which was connected to ground at the bottom end. Despite > all these turns of wire, the 50 ohm match was only a few turns up from the > ground end. > > Hope that helps. > > David > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Newstead > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:06 > Subject: LF: First Portable Trip > > Not a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed > against 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very > low - within 1 metre of the ground. > > Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping > the feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q > dramatically and the RX and TX performance were very poor. In configurations > where the RX performance was good and the Q high, there was little on no > aerial current on transmit. The only configuration that gave some antenna > current was nearly useless on receive. Connecting a radial to a metal fence > detuned things so much that I go nowhere like that. > > Heard GW0HXO's beacon at reasonable strength and GW3UEP's beacon - just. > Called CQ quite a few times. No takers. > > Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible > "line-timebase" type burble drifting across band. > > Clearly more work required to get a viable system. Tips? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > ------------------------------ > Click here to get the very > best of AOL, including news, sport, gossip, lifestyles updates and email. > --001e680f0ff80e6697046aa4b1ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Richard,
I must commend your efforts to go portable. However there see= ms to me to be one major problem. That is GROUND, all antennas except loops=20= (more later) need to work against "Ground" which is not really gro= und as we know it since at LF the earth is pretty transparent, varies a bit,= but mainly RF penetrates many feet. Think about cave radio. So we use count= erpoise/radial etc. wires, but to be any good these have to be quarter wave=20= long! ie 125meters !!! not easy when you are portable. At home the mains fee= d, is probably the best radial available, since it goes to all the other hou= ses far and near. So your problem is not so much to fly a kite or balloon bu= t to find a few hundred yards of viable fencing/old railway etc.
But Loops are different, no ground required and mebbe you could lay a horizo= ntal loop out on the ground (its pretty transparent after all ) better still= a mountain site not in East Sussex though I guess. Lots of data on LF Loops= on the reflector, matching etc.
Best of luck and will always listen for you
73 Laurie. =A0

2009/5/23 <g0mrf@aol.com>
Hi Richard.

I've used a system similar to yours with some success.=A0 Mine, now dism= antled, is detailed at

http://ww= w.g0mrf.com/500kAntenna.htm

It was a 10m mast with a very small 3m top section. Power in 7.5W PEP.
100km was no problem 24/7 with good conditions it made it to ON and PA.=A0 W= ith very good conditions it made it to=A0the Scotish Islands at apx 800km bu= t that was rare.

The photo shows a variometer in series with a fixed coil in series with anot= her fixed coil which was connected to ground at the bottom end.=A0 Despite a= ll these turns of wire, the 50 ohm match was only a few turns up from the gr= ound end.

Hope that helps.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Newstead <g3cwi@btconnect.com>
To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:06
Subject: LF: First Portable Trip

No= t a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed aga= inst 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very low=20= - within 1 metre of the ground.=A0
=A0
Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping t= he feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q dramatic= ally and the RX and TX performance were very poor. In configurations where t= he RX performance was good and the Q high, there was little on no aerial cur= rent on transmit. The only configuration that gave some antenna current was=20= nearly useless on receive. Connecting a radial to a metal fence detuned thin= gs so much that I go nowhere like that.=A0
=A0
Heard GW0HXO's beacon at reasonable strength and GW3UEP's beacon - j= ust. Called CQ quite a few times. No takers.=A0
=A0
Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible "l= ine-timebase" type burble drifting across band.=A0
=A0
Clearly more work required to get a viable system. Tips?=A0
=A0
73=A0
=A0
Richard=A0
G3CWI=A0
=A0

=
= Click here to get the very best of AOL, including news, sport, gossip, l= ifestyles updates and email.

--001e680f0ff80e6697046aa4b1ab-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (rly-mb11.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-d354a07fb8cc8; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:19:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB111-d354a07fb8cc8; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:18:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3SaM-0004cC-D6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 11:18:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3SaL-0004c3-Qi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 11:18:13 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3SaI-0005i5-Dq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 11:18:13 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8F451C006 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:18:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-199.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.199]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFC3F3863 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:17:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:17:59 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <6CAB0066191C4E76B92C8821061A1CB9@AGB> References: <1B3950C0CC6641F29CD92B0269A04581@JimPC> <6CAB0066191C4E76B92C8821061A1CB9@AGB> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090511101759.CBFC3F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 3 Mode Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Jim, Graham, MFSK4 seems to be good once you have it synchronized, as John (W1TAG) states= . But the threshold to synchronize seems to be rather high. Despite the fact that you signal was audible and=20 the both Throbx2 and psk31 were printing well I=20 couldn't decode anything in MFSK4. MFSK4 is probably a good mode to scope with=20 QSB/QRN for a signal the that peaks strong enough=20 but when the signal is really weak Throbx2 seems the winner. A pity that there is little info about Throb(x) on the web. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T PS: Jim, if you plan another WSPR session please let=20 me know. I will try to join (transmitting). At 01:32 11/05/2009, you wrote: >Thanks for that Jim, > >Seems its close between the mfsk and throb=20 >systems , I found the throb mode worked best last night >may be its down to the noise format , but psk31=20 >appears to of produced the highest error rates at >all locations , Rik reporting the throb system printing quite well > >Tnx- Graham . > > > > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "James Moritz" >Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:27 PM >To: >Subject: LF: Re: 3 Mode Beacon > >> >>Dear Graham, LF Group, >> >>Have been watching your test for an hour or so. At the peaks of the fades, >>all 3 modes decode quite well:- >> >>MSK4: >>CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com >> >>ThrobX 2: >>CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD >>CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD >>QSL G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM G0NBD@HOTMAIL.CO >> >>PSK31: >>e C >> CQ 1Q d0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>qsl nbd@hotmail.aom g0nbd@hotmail.com >> >> >>When the signal levels are down, MSK4 seems most robust, with Throb >>somewhere in the middle:- >> >>t=B98n=B0 ND >>CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com >> >>3-LNBD G0NBD G0NBD >>CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD >>QSL G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM >> >>CQ CQ d >>g0nId g0e >>d g0nbd >>iQ CQ CQ de g0p >>p .0=CAwg >>eet >>g tloTail.=B0 >> >>Watching the decodes, I am seeing that PSK31 is vulnerable to static >>crashes - each loud burst of QRN corrupts a few characters, while the othe= r >>modes seem to tolerate this better. This is similar to previous experience= . >>When the QRN is not present, the PSK31 is nearly as good as the other mode= s. >> >>Cheers, Jim Moritz >>73 de M0BMU >> >> > > > >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database:=20 >>270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 07:02:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (rly-mf08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.178]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF024-9764a199b2625d; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:08:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF084-9764a199b2625d; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:08:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8J2s-0000m7-KN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:07:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8J2s-0000ly-6X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:07:42 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s34.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.234]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8J2n-0001VT-Kw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:07:41 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W2 ([64.4.56.102]) by bay0-omc3-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 24 May 2009 12:07:31 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:07:31 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3c01eff9.1a141ba6.4a198f4f.b955c@o2.pl> References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> <3c01eff9.1a141ba6.4a198f4f.b955c@o2.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2009 19:07:31.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[E39ADE80:01C9DCA2] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_14150f2c-71b4-43be-9d43-c2d3ffc7686e_" Subject: RE: LF: SP2KDS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_14150f2c-71b4-43be-9d43-c2d3ffc7686e_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9f02cdce-cc97-4fd0-bb24-ebf76023b936_" --_9f02cdce-cc97-4fd0-bb24-ebf76023b936_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Marcin, dzenkuje bardzo za QSO! Thanks for nice QSO, your signal was nice, as you can see on the pictures. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS From: bxi@go2.pl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:17:51 +0200 Subject: RE: LF: SP2KDS Hello Lubos! We're calling you now!! 73! Marcin SQ2BXI SP2KDS Team Hello Marcin! I have called you, but nothing. Your signal is nice, I just see your CQ "OOO". Lubos, OK2BVG > From: bxi@go2.pl > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:39 +0200 > Subject: LF: SP2KDS > > Dr LF Group! > We have now QRV 137,708kHz QRSS 3. > > 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > SP2KDS Club > Bu�te v kontaktu se sv�mi p��teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde! _________________________________________________________________ What's New v�m to �ekne hned, jak se to stane. Uka� mi jak. http://home.live.com/ --_9f02cdce-cc97-4fd0-bb24-ebf76023b936_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Marcin, dzenkuje bardzo za QSO!
Thanks for nice QSO, your signal was nice, as you can see on the pictures.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: bxi@go2.pl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:17:51 +0200
Subject: RE: LF: SP2KDS

Hello Lubos!
We're calling you now!!
73! Marcin SQ2BXI

SP2KDS Team

Hello Marcin!
I have called you, but nothing. Your signal is nice, I just see your CQ "OOO".

Lubos, OK2BVG

> From: bxi@go2.pl
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:39 +0200
> Subject: LF: SP2KDS
>
> Dr LF Group!
> We have now QRV 137,708kHz QRSS 3.
>
> 73! Marcin SQ2BXI
> SP2KDS Club
>

Bu�te v kontaktu se sv�mi p��teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde!

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Mal plise sked 21:00 UTC, QRSS 3. Club antenna: http://www.sp2kds.pl/images/stories/antena%20136khz3.jpg Antenna foto: http://www.sp2kds.pl/galeria-morfeo/view/29.html -- Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > Marcin > Are u testing during the week. I am qrv most evenings on CW and QRS3 only. > My signal is usually strong in Poland daytime and nightime on 137 Khz. Let > me know when u are QRV > DE Mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcin" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:27 AM > Subject: LF: Re: WPF > > > > Hello! > > Is there anyone to sked 136kHz? > > Plise about LF sked to saturday (16 may 2009); in the evening; QRSS or CW; > > 137,710kHz.. > > We have QRV on SP2KDS Club: JO94II ,1W EIRP, longwire antena 30m/110m. > > -- > > Vy 73! > > Marcin SQ2BXI > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 > 11:43:00 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG041-a274a07f39589; Mon, 11 May 2009 05:45:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com 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(CEST) Message-ID: <4A07F352.6020105@online.fr> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:43:46 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <24A4F797878B46638E6CBE90171EB311@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <24A4F797878B46638E6CBE90171EB311@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: capture who.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010305050709000708080103" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 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(rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC081-b364a05e9e63f; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:39:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC082-b364a05e9e63f; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:39:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2tJa-000357-3Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:38:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2tJZ-00034y-Od for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:38:33 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2tJY-0007iQ-KA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:38:33 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with 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X-Originating-IP: 217.136.138.84 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, 559 here 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > LF, > > > > G4WGT testing 503.600KHz qrss05 & 6wpm ID, 1 watt ERP. > > > > Reports welcome. > > > > 73, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG074-9f14a22979d37; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:43:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG013-9f14a22979d37; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:43:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAmFX-00028I-TQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:42:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAmFX-000289-Hv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:42:59 +0100 Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com ([209.85.221.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 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by 10.224.73.210 with SMTP id r18mr4645648qaj.264.1243780969630; Sun, 31 May 2009 07:42:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <91159493E2D24BF3A9E3D90B495E9F1D@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <91159493E2D24BF3A9E3D90B495E9F1D@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:42:49 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905310742i4bb74845p41bc777c3d7ba014@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: xgj 31-05.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; 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Thanks to Jean-Pierre for the grabber! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/5/31 henny van elst : > Hi Warren,Lf, > capture one string XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > xgj 31-05.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (rly-dg12.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.96]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG063-60c4a06ed631e4; Sun, 10 May 2009 11:06:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG123-60c4a06ed631e4; Sun, 10 May 2009 11:06:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Aan-0007tW-C1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:05:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Aan-0007tN-0Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:05:29 +0100 Received: from mcgi56.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3Aak-0000b3-9Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:05:28 +0100 Received: from mcgi56.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi56.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759B311423 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:05:20 +0400 (MSD) Received: from [91.77.90.0] by mcgi56.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Sun, 10 May 2009 19:05:15 +0400 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:05:15 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <876874.1241967915.164396024.68844@mcgi56.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WPF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Anatoly and LF! Congratulations with the past Victory Day to all! http://qrss.nm.ru/9may2009_UA4WPF/136.0W_90_00012.jpg http://qrss.nm.ru/9may2009_UA4WPF/136.0W_90_00020.jpg http://qrss.nm.ru/9may2009_UA4WPF/136.0W_90_00032.jpg * Lubos OK2BVG [Sun, 10 May 2009 07:43:02 +0200]: > > Hello Anatolij, LF! > On the band was a lot of QRM last night, but I saw "W" well. > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > _________________________________________________________________ > What's New v=C3=A1m to =C5=99ekne hned, jak se to stane. Uka=C5=BE mi jak. > http://home.live.com/ > > * "090510_W.JPG" 73! -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG102-a094a131d84ca; Tue, 19 May 2009 16:59:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG043-a094a131d84ca; Tue, 19 May 2009 16:58:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6WNb-0006R7-I9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 21:57:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6WNb-0006Qy-5V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 21:57:43 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6WNY-0004mq-Dt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 21:57:42 +0100 X-Trace: 201794229/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnMFADm6EkpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACCJytWToZRhCPBMgeDewU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,217,1241391600"; d="scan'208,217";a="201794229" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 19 May 2009 21:57:37 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 21:57:38 +0100 Message-ID: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnYxHEIVXgQmgLaTg2y/yhIDv4DXg== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C9D8CC.D362DF10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C9D8CC.D362DF10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi LF, You may have seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at about 506KHz. The original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz. I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel filter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly due to the bandwidth of the filter?? Is there some simple narrow notch filter which I could use to remove the offending signal. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C9D8CC.D362DF10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi LF,=

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You may have seen an image of a= NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at about 506KHz. The original of this image is a= t 518KHz. The receiver for this grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modif= ied for 500KHz.

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I have attempted to notch the s= ignal using a simple series or parallel filter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly due to the bandwidth of the filter??

=

Is there some simple narrow not= ch filter which I could use to remove the offending signal.

=

73,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.=

------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C9D8CC.D362DF10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD064-b9a4a17dfd4d0; Sat, 23 May 2009 07:37:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD094-b9a4a17dfd4d0; Sat, 23 May 2009 07:36:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7pWR-0003Kx-Ms for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:36:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7pWR-0003Ko-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:36:15 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7pWP-0004ip-SZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:36:14 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283427B8043 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:36:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041C5F3862 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:36:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 3F5E55C26; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:36:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 119.84-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (119.84-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.200.84.119]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:36:05 +0200 Message-ID: <20090523133605.1qbynq53yd20ckgw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 13:36:05 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A17AE9F.2070000@btconnect.com> <8AB8247AC0EC491BB2748E799A45AC0B@AGB> <4A17D26B.9060605@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A17D26B.9060605@btconnect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.200.84.119 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: M0FMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Richard, if you let me know when / on what frequency you are transmitting I will try to copy your signal. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Richard Newstead : > Graham wrote: >> Richard, >> >> Your beacon was quite strong the other night into Wallasey, 3 >> miles west of Liverpool , what is you power/ae set up ? >> > Graham > > I am running about 15 watts into a T aerial with 40m top and 6m > vertical. This is at 10m above ground level. I estimate the ERP at a > little less than 100mW. I would be grateful for any field strength > measurements. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE043-4d44a0c345f226; Thu, 14 May 2009 11:10:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE051-4d44a0c345f226; Thu, 14 May 2009 11:10:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4cZ5-0006a7-Sb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:09:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4cZ5-0006Zy-Cm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:09:43 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4cZ1-0007ew-RG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:09:42 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYEACzRC0pZ8omn/2dsb2JhbACEUMxlhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.137.167]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 16:09:34 +0100 Message-ID: <007b01c9d4a5$fd72a090$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003401c9d201$9fa60e30$6551e00a@bxi> <00dc01c9d328$a5f37c00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <007f01c9d355$af366bb0$6551e00a@bxi> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:03:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 137,710KHz sked Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Marcin I will look for u at 1900 onwards but WX forecast is poor with thunder storms for the weekend. QRN levels could be vy high. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcin" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:02 AM Subject: LF: 137,710KHz sked > Helo Mal > We wored at 137,710kHz on Saturday about 19-23 UTC. > Mal plise sked 21:00 UTC, QRSS 3. > Club antenna: > http://www.sp2kds.pl/images/stories/antena%20136khz3.jpg > Antenna foto: > http://www.sp2kds.pl/galeria-morfeo/view/29.html > -- > Vy 73! > Marcin SQ2BXI > >> Marcin >> Are u testing during the week. I am qrv most evenings on CW and QRS3 >> only. >> My signal is usually strong in Poland daytime and nightime on 137 Khz. >> Let >> me know when u are QRV >> DE Mal/g3kev >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marcin" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:27 AM >> Subject: LF: Re: WPF >> >> >> > Hello! >> > Is there anyone to sked 136kHz? >> > Plise about LF sked to saturday (16 may 2009); in the evening; QRSS or > CW; >> > 137,710kHz.. >> > We have QRV on SP2KDS Club: JO94II ,1W EIRP, longwire antena 30m/110m. >> > -- >> > Vy 73! >> > Marcin SQ2BXI >> > >> > >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: >> 05/08/09 >> 11:43:00 >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 16:14:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA104-8ba4a2027ed338; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:22:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA074-8ba4a2027ed338; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:22:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MA6hg-0005TF-4t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:21:16 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MA6hf-0005T6-MT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:21:15 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.222]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MA6hc-0004KV-Tb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:21:15 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W7 ([64.4.56.107]) by bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 29 May 2009 11:21:01 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:21:00 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2009 18:21:01.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[38434090:01C9E08A] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_30a1e797-778e-4504-88cb-9a5ceb1d7ee1_" Subject: LF: IK5ZPV X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_30a1e797-778e-4504-88cb-9a5ceb1d7ee1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV in QRSS3 mode. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Pou=BE=EDv=E1te Messenger? Pak tak=E9 pou=BE=EDv=E1te Windows Live. Chcete v= =ECd=ECt v=EDc?=20 http://www.microsoft.com/cze/windows/windowslive/=3D --_30a1e797-778e-4504-88cb-9a5ceb1d7ee1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV in QRSS3 mode.
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv= =FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde! =3D --_30a1e797-778e-4504-88cb-9a5ceb1d7ee1_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG101-a1f4a08272e12a; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:25:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG071-a1f4a08272e12a; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:25:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3VUP-00055a-Hi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 14:24:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3VUO-00055R-VK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 14:24:16 +0100 Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3VUN-0000T3-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 14:24:16 +0100 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a0826b938c; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:23:05 -0400 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c0f.4d7f95aa (37133) for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA027-5c474a0826b1b9; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:23:01 -0400 Received: from FWM-M15 (fwm-m15.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.79]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA015-5c474a0826b1b9; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:22:57 -0400 References: <24A4F797878B46638E6CBE90171EB311@ns94d01ae4d850><4A07F352.6020105@online.fr> <5F483DE1E07A46888EB2D106A14A3FAD@ns94d01ae4d850> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:22:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <5F483DE1E07A46888EB2D106A14A3FAD@ns94d01ae4d850> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: f4dtl@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 42949 - STANDARD Received: from 90.94.12.62 by FWM-M15.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.79) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 11 May 2009 09:22:57 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBA052BBE3C2A4-B7C-10A8@FWM-M15.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re : LF: capture who.jpg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBA052BBED4C00_B7C_2199_FWM-M15.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CBA052BBED4C00_B7C_2199_FWM-M15.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello Henny,yes its me just for a test. Regards dear F4DTL -----E-mail d'origine----- De : henny van elst A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Envoy=C3=A9 le : Lundi, 11 Mai 2009 14:45 Sujet : Re: LF: capture who.jpg Tu Jean-Pierre,=C2=A0 best 73s=C2=A0 henny pa3cpm.=C2=A0 ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 (F1AFJ)"" =C2=A0 To: =C2=A0 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:43 AM=C2=A0 Subject: Re: LF: capture who.jpg=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hello Henny ,=C2=A0 I think that it is Nicolas ( f4dtl ) in test !=C2=A0 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj=C2=A0 =C2=A0 henny van elst a =C3=A9crit :=C2=A0 > Hi,Lf=C2=A0 > capture who?=C2=A0 > henny pa3cpm=C2=A0 > best 73=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 No virus found in this incoming message.=C2=A0 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=C2=A0 Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 0= 7:02:00=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ Re=C3=A7evez AOL Mail sur votre t=C3=A9l=C3=A9phone. Vos e-mails accessibles= =C3=A0 tout moment! Cr=C3=A9ez un e-mail gratuit aujourd=E2=80=99hui.=20 ----------MB_8CBA052BBED4C00_B7C_2199_FWM-M15.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Hello Henny,yes its me just for a test.

Regards dear
F4DTL

-----E-mail d'origine-----
De : henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>
A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Envoy=C3=A9 le : Lundi, 11 Mai 2009 14:45
Sujet : Re: LF: capture who.jpg

Tu Jean-Pierre,
best 73s
henny pa3cpm.
----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 (F1AFJ)"" &l= t;jpm.f1afj@online.fr> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: LF: capture who.jpg

Hello Henny ,
I think that it is Nicolas ( f4dtl ) in test !
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

henny van elst a =C3=A9crit :
> Hi,Lf
> capture who?
> henny pa3cpm
> best 73
>

----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=
Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 0= 7:02:00

----------MB_8CBA052BBED4C00_B7C_2199_FWM-M15.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG031-5d14a214fae333; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:24:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG064-5d14a214fae333; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:24:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAQPo-0001wW-1L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:24:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAQPn-0001wJ-Fp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:24:07 +0100 Received: from smtp1-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAQPk-0006gQ-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:24:06 +0100 Received: from smtp1-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645A4940036 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:24:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp1-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D8F9400FB for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:23:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A214F8E.3090002@online.fr> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:23:58 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> <88d2415e0905300406p54cf1d54o14cbfebabf5f5216@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905300406p54cf1d54o14cbfebabf5f5216@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: CQ P3CPM now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Not QRSS3 => QRSS10 !!!!!! Hello Henny , Good copy of your Signal in QRSS3 now ! Sorry not qrv at this moment . 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de12.mx.aol.com (rly-de12.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.148]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE083-5204a1337833b7; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:49:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE127-5204a1337833b7; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:49:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6Y7L-000724-9j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:49:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6Y7K-00071v-SJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:49:02 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.190] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6Y7H-0005J6-1a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:49:02 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3602.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 09C777000083 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 00:48:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.74.236]) by mwinf3602.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 781E87000082 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 00:48:49 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090519224849492.781E87000082@mwinf3602.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <717E88F7C87444BAB9ED1F169783E4A4@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 23:48:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01C9D8DC.5ACDEEE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C9D8DC.5ACDEEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, Try a 10 dB attenuator in the ae feed or bigger one ?=20 G ... From: Gary - G4WGT=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:57 PM To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20 Subject: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Hi LF, =20 You may have seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at about=20= 506KHz. The original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this grabb= er is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz. =20 I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel filte= r but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly due to t= he bandwidth of the filter?? =20 Is there some simple narrow notch filter which I could use to remove the off= ending signal. =20 73, =20 Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.34/2122 - Release Date: 05/19/09 0= 6:21:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C9D8DC.5ACDEEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gary,

Try a 10 dB attenuator in the ae feed= or=20 bigger one ?

G ...

From: Gary - G4WGT

Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:57 PM

To: LF -RSGB LF Group

Subject: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter.

Hi=20 LF,

You may have seen=20 an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at about 506KHz. The origin= al=20 of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this grabber is a Softrock Lite= =20 455KHz module modified for 500KHz.

I have attempted=20 to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel filter but only succee= ded=20 in seriously degrading the whole band possibly due to the bandwidth of the=20 filter??

Is there some=20 simple narrow notch filter which I could use to remove the offending=20 signal.

73,=

Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83QP.

No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C9D8DC.5ACDEEE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG063-5d94a060dcc109; Sat, 09 May 2009 19:12:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG072-5d94a060dcc109; Sat, 09 May 2009 19:12:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2vh7-0003lY-As for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:11:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2vh6-0003lP-VK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:11:00 +0100 Received: from smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.69]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2vh4-0008JR-NJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:11:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 30038 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 23:10:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FlM8CCZgfDgwzbRos4PxVhXejJGksS/NXv1iM6DK/i13HO7tvFrzlMd6jqmEjMcljVM0nr7MWDG5wTTjub0H0mkxqAOIoObsEjxUj/bueEbHsc6hySGKmtlRTf06LBbghOzJByQZA8HsN5IC6HeeLEpOBrKl0RkDoqFKKBPww+s= ; Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (ganymede444@217.39.7.252 with login) by smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 23:10:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qibk.LgVM1lJ4qcC2Ad9yl532G.cE0rW.TKymS5uKy40P7g.2xNc.yrT843GbjXPOWD5qVtWHbpY7LA_P45cGvgX7MErID5p.SmKcjLjs8IM3oNBgk5cK9HBgEFEcBPsbt1SlS.lNrWQKJ01iPVAbnBEbm9rUEFTXqQY5kqSTb_jmfk6_mtmU2uY7jkslyS2FyFgDAn7mKodKUZnD_eFDo7VmlCtFVyA8cCcT0wiBC.BeoIi3fdXXt.0AI5PbH9fi2gGOLCaGq_x6W9QOU5GFBzTS5H8PiVZlHT_tqcJiL3KLqhv X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:09:13 +0100 From: dave To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001 Subject: Fw:Re: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version)
Richard, Andy, LF,

I can hear the G4JNT beacon clearly in South Devon w= ith a 2m tuned loop during the daytime, and that's probably more like 250km.= G3XIZ is also a strong daytime signal, again at over 250km. I also heard G3= GNR very strongly calling G8BKE at 2140 utc on Tuesday 5 May, but I don't kn= ow his QTH.

The best way of getting started is to set up a sked=20= via this reflector and take it from there. You can also look at the G3XZM an= d G4WGT online "grabbers" to see if there is any activity.<= BR>
73, Dave G3WCB at temorary QTH, Dartmouth S Devon.

----- Original message -----
Sent: 2009/05/09 10:09:17
Subject: Re: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable

Dear Richard,

With only about 40 odd NoVs in existence, and not all active, there probably=
are not many within 100km of you! But rather more than 100km is not unusual=20=
during daytime, so don't worry too much.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Newstead"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable

> Richard Newstead wrote:
>>
>> Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in
>> Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? <= BR> >>
> Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I also play)? <= BR> > Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me?
>
> 73
>
> Richard
> G3CWI
>

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC052-b1b4a09b4a988; Tue, 12 May 2009 13:41:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC047-b1b4a09b4a988; Tue, 12 May 2009 13:40:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3vxO-0004i7-IZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:39:58 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3vxO-0004hy-5z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:39:58 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3vxM-0006Q7-23 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:39:58 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqsEAE9RCUpOlLdA/2dsb2JhbACEUMk1hAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.183.64]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 18:39:49 +0100 Message-ID: <00dc01c9d328$a5f37c00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003401c9d201$9fa60e30$6551e00a@bxi> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:39:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: WPF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Marcin Are u testing during the week. I am qrv most evenings on CW and QRS3 only. My signal is usually strong in Poland daytime and nightime on 137 Khz. Let me know when u are QRV DE Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcin" To: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: LF: Re: WPF > Hello! > Is there anyone to sked 136kHz? > Plise about LF sked to saturday (16 may 2009); in the evening; QRSS or CW; > 137,710kHz.. > We have QRV on SP2KDS Club: JO94II ,1W EIRP, longwire antena 30m/110m. > -- > Vy 73! > Marcin SQ2BXI > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 11:43:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD052-9154a0ad856220; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:25:46 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD075-9154a0ad856220; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:25:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4FO6-0003sB-Pu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:24:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4FO6-0003s2-C8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:24:50 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.144]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4FO3-0002Tr-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:24:49 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so487156qwj.16 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 07:23:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=63/KX6ejQwzobib8iKNwr1lIsyqwzC2mR0q7DzhwSZs=; b=gv0tqNe3BbhhnXABzFISBi9Ze57eEtvwQqsPXk9feaXSvffhjUwbF0C/NiN/vnalM6 DgVcdv12humrSBnG1R/NGKIrv7eRHWrTWN3V9tvLSGaV0ubE6EKoP/iINLTFKS6e+OmG 1k0pEh6k9Z18ROW3T1aDVFQLb14qtI9scvCmw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iiuo8mHwZi2eWxvwuIACPat0Gg6D9EEFPwCbqPFHDvUouDa6zXupLWcSM7dC7Sy/x0 vqNPMXQYL7OsKjlVGwEFG3SNyzxCr+ims4CPLG2vtvuzWQP/h9jg7+c4Tq/RN4AXrpDJ DOzA2ETBihIE9Fu9V2z9qm9Ry7nD1hDko5+Dg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.67.193 with SMTP id s1mr1249620qai.291.1242224624647; Wed, 13 May 2009 07:23:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090513135955.BB4FB31E704@smtps01.kuleuven.be> References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905130629q408f0128yfe5356c77bbe084e@mail.gmail.com> <20090513135955.BB4FB31E704@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:23:44 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905130723h48c7f9a1jcb0a37047d5a594a@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m279.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik, Yes, I believe that would work. However I couldn't find a cost effective 50MHz OCXO, TCXO etc AND my dds developed problems with the optical encoder so I decided to get a used HP 3325A synthesizer which included a built in ovenized oscillator for less money than a 50MHz TCXO which needed to be added to the dds. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Warren, > > I guess this problem can be solved by removing the onboard xtal and > injecting a signal from a stable frequency source. > > 73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T > > > At 15:29 13/05/2009, you wrote: >> >> Graham, Gerhard, >> >> =A0 =A0This is EXACTLY the dds that I used and observed considerable >> temperature drift when operating QRSS 60 on 137 kHz. >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XGJ >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XSH/23 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XEB/2 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Beckmann, Gerhard >> wrote: >> > Hello Graham, >> > >> > >> > >> > the DDS-Oscillator under this link may partial meet your requirements=20= =85 >> > >> > >> > >> > http://www.box73.de/catalog/pdf/FA0407_694-695.pdf?osCsid=3D983aae56f38= 3b >> > >> > >> > >> > 73 de Gerhard / =A0DK6NI >> > >> > >> > >> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham >> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 23:25 >> > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > Betreff: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit >> > , >> > >> > better a part completed kit =A0would be =A0better ...second hand workin= g >> > >> > even better ! >> > >> > >> > >> > Ideal would be a box with a frequency =A0display and a key pad to >> > >> > enter the =A0frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device >> > >> > >> > >> > Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master >> > >> > oscillator =A0for =A0tx >> > >> > >> > >> > Any =A0ideas or =A0links (any for =A0sale ?) >> > >> > >> > >> > Tnx- Graham . > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de09.mx.aol.com (rly-de09.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.145]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE014-5024a09a57335b; Tue, 12 May 2009 12:36:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE097-5024a09a57335b; Tue, 12 May 2009 12:36:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3uwi-0004H5-SS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:35:12 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3uwi-0004Gw-62 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:35:12 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3uwg-0005kO-Ij for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:35:12 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3FFDF1C00084 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:35:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.12.252]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id BD9B81C00081 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:35:04 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090512163504779.BD9B81C00081@mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <9FBF89E8DE1A49B7813B9076162C83EE@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <406BFF543DA74618A3CA53F315277917@radiorummet> <20090512071115.2CE9B31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090512071115.2CE9B31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:34:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01C9D327.EEEF1140" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C9D327.EEEF1140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik, Ok on the fade patters, yes noticed that in the early days , 100 hz made a= big change in signal , one of the reasons for using 25 or 85 hz shift o= n rtty=20 If Gus has something like 'soundforge' could alter the spectrum of the mo= dulation to make up for the losses lh/hf ,=20 to flatten out the pa , that may need some feed back or something similar=20= to reduce changes in phase , easer to beep not speak hihi G ..=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:11 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Gus, Dave, Graham, I guess even the Q of the antenna can attenuate the low and/or high tones. In theory with a SSB bandwidth of 2.7kHz and a operating frequency of 505kHz= a Q =3D 180 would cause a 3 dB attenuation at the ends. But from my experience results could even be worse: Although the Q of my ant= enna is only 50 I notice a significant power reduction if I tune the antenna= mid-band (502.5kHz) and QSY to one of the band edges without re-tuning. I a= ssume that the PA is rather "allergic" to a even rather small reactive part=20= of the load. In addition the fading on 500 can indeed be very frequency-selective. During= Graham's 3 mode test I could notice different QSB patterns between the 3 si= gnals (that were only some 100 Hz apart). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 00:40 12/05/2009, you wrote: I agree ! What is the valve of inductor ? =20 Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:33 AM Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Gus/Dave=20 Might be the Q and BW of the rf path causing a little rounding of the au= dio spectrum , need to boost the lf and hf ..or attenuate the mid range ?=20 G .=20 From: Dave G3WCB=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Gus, Your SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of=20= static crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/comp= ression to boost your "talk power". My RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my u= sual 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high. I have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to yo= u? 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gus Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/= 09 07:02:00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 0= 7:02:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C9D327.EEEF1140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rik,

Ok on the fade patters, yes noticed t= hat in=20 the early days , 100 hz made a big change in signal , one of the= =20 reasons for using 25 or 85 hz shift on rtty

If Gus has something like 'soundforge' = ;=20 could alter the spectrum of the modulation to make up for the lo= sses=20 lh/hf ,

to flatten out the pa , that may need= some=20 feed back or something similar to reduce changes in phase , ease= r to=20 beep not speak hihi

G ..

From: Rik Strobbe

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:11 AM

To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus, Dave, Graham,

I guess even the Q of the antenna c= an=20 attenuate the low and/or high tones.
In theory with a SSB bandwidth of 2.= 7kHz=20 and a operating frequency of 505kHz a Q =3D 180 would cause a 3 dB attenuati= on at=20 the ends.
But from my experience results could even be worse: Although th= e Q=20 of my antenna is only 50 I notice a significant power reduction if I tune th= e=20 antenna mid-band (502.5kHz) and QSY to one of the band edges without re-tuni= ng.=20 I assume that the PA is rather "allergic" to a even rather small reactive pa= rt=20 of the load.
In addition the fading on 500 can indeed be very=20 frequency-selective. During Graham's 3 mode test I could notice different QS= B=20 patterns between the 3 signals (that were only some 100 Hz apart).

73= ,=20 Rik ON7YD - OR7T

At 00:40 12/05/2009, you wrote:

I agre= e ! What=20 is the valve of inductor ?

= Gus

----- Original Message -----

From: Graham

To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:33 AM

Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus/Dave

Might be the Q and BW of the rf path causing a little= =20 rounding of the audio spectrum , need to boost the lf and hf ..or=20 attenuate the mid range ?

G .

From: Dave G3WCB<= /A>=20

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM

To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus,

Your SSB is about readability 4, sign= al=20 strength 5 in QSB, with lots of static crashes. It sounds like you might= =20 need a bit of audio processing/compression to boost your "talk=20 power".

My RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tu= ned=20 pre-amp, and my antenna is my usual 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 met= res=20 high.

I have saved a couple of *.wav files=20= - do you=20 want me to send them to you?

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.= E.=20 England

-----Original Message-----

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [=20 mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gus

Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include....

Reports are wellcome.

73 de Gus SM6BHZ

No virus found in this incoming message.

Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

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esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3GhF-0001mp-0y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:36:35 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id ACAEA7000086 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:36:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 71B6E7000083 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:36:26 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510213626465.71B6E7000083@mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <2647D014C3484E85BEE640AEC4B3BFE6@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus><5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC><008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus><61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB><4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB><1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB><20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be><2149FAD3D3B349DA8DD2D9B692522EEE@AGB> <20090510232311.c7w0ojp43pk4880w@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090510232311.c7w0ojp43pk4880w@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:36:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik, The mfsk signal is a single tone, the other systems are sending 2 tones , peak levels of the systems are all the same .. as far as I can measure , looks like your % copy ties with last night , ? , the instant lock of the throb system looks to be working well ? Each stream is about 35 watts , last night I was running 150 in single mode tnx - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Gary, > > despite that there is no copy in MFSK4 this signal sound much stronger > than the Throbx2 and psk31 signals. > Idem on the G3YXM grabber: MFSK4 look brighter than the other 2. > Looks as if the power is not the same. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > >> Ok Rik, >> >> Well see what prints with this beacon, Im running Fldigi x 3 times >> on the same pc , Gary is running the same for rx and reports all is >> ok with the system ... >> >> tnx- G .. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Rik Strobbe" >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:40 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > >> later >> >>> >>> Hello Graham, >>> >>> thanks for the QSO's last night. >>> Under current conditions (lot of QRN and QSB) ThrobX2 seemes a bit >>> better than >>> PSK31. MFSK4 wouldn't print last night. >>> The night before it was the same until all the sudden I had a perfect >>> print. >>> Maybe tuning / synchronisation is rather critical for MFSK4. >>> The bandwidth of MFSK4 seems about 150Hz, so i will not use it for >>> transmit. >>> PSK31 and ThrobX2 are well below 100Hz. >>> >>> I will try to decode the signals starting 21:00 UTC. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Graham : >>> >>>> Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream >>>> same text , 60 sec repeat .. >>>> >>>> >>>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz = 503.20k cent rf >>>> >>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz = 503,00k cent rf >>>> >>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz = 502.70 k cent rf >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' >>>> lock up time ? >>>> >>>> Graham >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Graham" >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later >>>> >>>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >>>>> >>>>> G .. >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Graham" >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> All >>>>>> >>>>>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>>>>> >>>>>> Tx set >>>>>> >>>>>> Dial 501.000 >>>>>> mode usb >>>>>> >>>>>> FLDIGI software >>>>> >>>>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>>>>> >>>>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>>>>> >>>>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>>>>> >>>>>> Power 40 watts per stream >>>>>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>>>>> >>>>>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>>>>> >>>>>> Reports welcome >>>>>> >>>>>> Graham >>>>>> >>>>>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release >>>>>> Date: 05/09/09 >>>>>> 06:54:00 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>>>> 05/09/09 06:54:00 >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: >>> 05/10/09 07:02:00 >>> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 > 07:02:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de06.mx.aol.com (rly-de06.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.142]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE021-4de4a193078123; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:33:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE061-4de4a193078123; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:33:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Bvt-0007Zl-QN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:32:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Bvt-0007Zc-72 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:32:01 +0100 Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.8]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Bvq-0006Z0-J8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:32:01 +0100 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a19302633c; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:31:50 -0400 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c3e.4bb2aa31 (48624) for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:31:48 -0400 (EDT) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 07:31:34 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ transmitting now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1243164694" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------1243164694 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hello Marco,very strong here. -63 dBm (75 Ohms) with WG SPM3 and miniwhip =20 PA0RDT, =20 Next transmission Sunday, June 28 at 09:00 and 12:00 UTC.=20 =20 =20 =20 F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP _http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20 =20 =20 Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 24/05/2009 12:53:46 Paris, Madrid (heure d'=E9t=E9)= , =20 marco.scholz@citi.com a =E9crit : Hello, SAQ is Q5 readable in JN49 with just a Miniwhip antenna directly connected=20 to the soundcard. Software is SAQ VLF receiver by SM6LKM. Wish you all a nice sunday vy73 Marco, DD7PC -------------------------------1243164694 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Marco,very strong here. -63 dBm (75 Ohms) with WG SPM3 and miniwh= ip=20 PA0RDT,

Next transmission Sund= ay, June 28 at 09:00 and 12:00 UTC.

F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP
http://lfi= stes.erst.azerttyu.net/

Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 24/05/2009 12:53:46 Paris, Madrid (heure d'= =E9t=E9),=20 marco.scholz@citi.com a =E9crit :

Hello,
SA= Q=20 is Q5 readable in JN49 with just a Miniwhip antenna directly connected to=20= the=20 soundcard. Software is SAQ VLF receiver by SM6LKM.

Wish you all a n= ice=20 sunday
vy73
Marco, DD7PC

-------------------------------1243164694-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (rly-mg09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.115]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG023-a324a1b9bd4227; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:36:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG094-a324a1b9bd4227; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:35:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8rBK-0005nl-0c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:34:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8rBJ-0005nc-IV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:34:41 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr06.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.184]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8rBA-0003px-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:34:40 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2beaomr06.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id BOB14195; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:34:24 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A1B9B85.3070501@btconnect.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:34:29 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A19A7E4.4030606@btconnect.com> <84D65F58F723418B8DC8672A3B10C875@64683d74b6134b3> <4A1AB588.2070603@btconnect.com> <84EEB64668A34793A28A4B2B3E8DACE6@64683d74b6134b3> In-Reply-To: <84EEB64668A34793A28A4B2B3E8DACE6@64683d74b6134b3> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr06.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.4A1B9B83.00CA,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Monday activity 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear MFers I made a capacity-hat portable vertical yesterday. I would have gone out to test it except the band was covered in static crashes. It occurred to me that they might not be that far away so instead of 500kHz I threw the 10GHz gear in the car and drove out to a local hill where I used the top of a thunderstorm to work deep into Germany (nearly 700km). The two bands seem to compliment each other quite well in that respect. My 500kHz vertical has a 10m vertical section and four 5m long top-loading wires. I hope to test it as soon as the weather improves. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF033-58b4a0b00bb30; Wed, 13 May 2009 13:18:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF114-58b4a0b00bb30; Wed, 13 May 2009 13:17:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4I51-00058R-KS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:17:19 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4I51-00058I-61 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:17:19 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f180.google.com ([209.85.219.180]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4I4z-0006W4-5N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:17:19 +0100 Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so1086885ewy.4 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:17:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=prKWapqTe/kEAvdUZ1VabpjzCi9U0r4QNJrNhbbTlcE=; b=BKZucmlaMYisCUFq7FmEWlBVfEg3DVTlGGr/+8qOrGPiCrnqOOCjBpcf2g0oEvC2HA M7/5zAvdfdhyy/uwiKZqBpWvo8+3WXSPZcvmpZR/t2tE9cvyOR15FOCuwpBDo0vQls9c pQFlHGZlb5dU8hJkFFNIG6vwCR93CMXzApRBE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=C9D4WtADineui1KBa4zAIS/m68dbXeVVqrvUYe1RyRce6hFBz6Nt+K+NdS3VicPmr/ n2ZJQmiE3CpTizFlPPjb1/eUgTqWprfPLsmsF2KO3QOxxuaPzhSRwZAZe49c3rRZesNn aunnK2te1Oc553yRdR9c5FX8irxmUNTPpCe7Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.11.212 with SMTP id 62mr497103wex.186.1242235031438; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:17:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8bf118410905131009k77c653ffmd93393f3e4429b30@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905131009k77c653ffmd93393f3e4429b30@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:17:11 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410905131017w748b79d3n74c63782a8ada861@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364d23ddc6c7e10469ce6145 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m253.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016364d23ddc6c7e10469ce6145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit GW3UEP has you at 529 currently. South West Wales Dave. 2009/5/13 Dave Pick > About 559 by ear here at 1700utc. We'll see how it progresses after dark > against the static! > > Dave. > > 2009/5/13 Richard Newstead > > Dear all >> >> I have a beacon running on 502.7kHz on standard CW. I would welcome >> reports as the evening progresses. I will be using it to try to engage some >> SOTA people in listening on the band so that I can do some experiments at a >> later date. If it causes anyone a problem please send me a private email. >> >> 73 >> >> Richard >> G3CWI >> >> >> > > > -- > G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --0016364d23ddc6c7e10469ce6145 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GW3UEP has you at 529 currently.
South West Wales

Dave.

2009/5/13 Dave Pick <daveyxm@googlemail.com>
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About 559 by ear here at 1700utc. We'll see how it progresses after dark= against the static!

Dave.

2009/5/1= 3 Richard Newstead <g3cwi@btconnect.com>

Dear all

I have a beacon running on 502.7kHz on standard CW. I would welcome reports=20= as the evening progresses. I will be using it to try to engage some SOTA peo= ple in listening on the band so that I can do some experiments at a later da= te. If it causes anyone a problem please send me a private email.

73

Richard
G3CWI

--
G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

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G3YXM IO92BK Birm= ingham UK
--0016364d23ddc6c7e10469ce6145-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF051-5894a04c337204; Fri, 08 May 2009 19:41:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF112-5894a04c337204; Fri, 08 May 2009 19:41:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2ZgL-0008Oy-4D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 00:40:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2ZgK-0008Op-K4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 00:40:44 +0100 Received: from imr-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2ZgI-0001zc-La for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 00:40:44 +0100 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-d03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a04c294202; Fri, 08 May 2009 19:39:00 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c51.4cef75f5 (34909) for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA026-5bc04a04c2781de; Fri, 08 May 2009 19:38:36 -0400 Received: from webmail-mf14 (webmail-mf14.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.227]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA037-5bc04a04c2781de; Fri, 08 May 2009 19:38:32 -0400 References: <88d2415e0905080655s4000e8fdyc08621bbb8686b45@mail.gmail.com> <6EFF06E44CF940E0B67F8D333AC8F87A@lindavideo> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 19:38:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: <6EFF06E44CF940E0B67F8D333AC8F87A@lindavideo> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g0mrf@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42949-STANDARD Received: from 87.80.206.159 by webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.227) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 08 May 2009 19:38:32 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB9E4D3B5633DE-EF8-DF0@webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Activity Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB9E4D3B621FAF_EF8_1C4E_webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_30_40,HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CB9E4D3B621FAF_EF8_1C4E_webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Ken / All I'm looking to operate at 10W ERP from a portable site in west sussex over the sunday / sunday night / early monday morning 24th / 25th May from a site on the top of a hill 170m ASL. I need to notify Ofcom but that should be routine.?? Hope to work you and as many members of the reflector as possible that weekend. Fingers crossed for good conditions. Antenna 1/4 wave horizontal above poor conducting ground with radials running away from antenna. I would be interested to know if anyone has a calibrated field strength system operating at the time and any DX ststions who may be intersted in listening / a QSO.?? - CW / QRSS only with my class D TX. Thanks David???? QTH??? 50:59.56 N?? 00:22.28 (not sure if thats west or east of Greenwich) Dear all. I think Laurie has come up with a very good idea,also possibly a weekend slot(s). If I knew there was a good chance of a QSO then I would come on more often, it would need to be no fancy transmission modes just good old fashioned cw. ? 73, Ken, M0KHW? ----- Original Message ----- From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:55 PM Subject: LF: Activity Dear All, I am concerned at the lack of activity on 500kHz. I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice hear a signal now and again.! Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to 18:30 call on 502.50,? QSY up/down. If you don't like this, any other ideas? 73 Laurie G3AQC -----Original Message----- From: Ken To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:39 Subject: LF: Re: Activity Dear all. I think Laurie has come up with a very good idea,also possibly a weekend slot(s). If I knew there was a good chance of a QSO then I would come on more often, it would need to be no fancy transmission modes just good old fashioned cw. ? 73, Ken, M0KHW? ----- Original Message ----- From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:55 PM Subject: LF: Activity Dear All, I am concerned at the lack of activity on 500kHz. I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice hear a signal now and again.! Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to 18:30 call on 502.50,? QSY up/down. If you don't like this, any other ideas? 73 Laurie G3AQC ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ----------MB_8CB9E4D3B621FAF_EF8_1C4E_webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Ken / All

I'm looking to operate at 10W ERP from a portable site in west sussex over the sunday / sunday night / early monday morning 24th / 25th May from a site on the top of a hill 170m ASL.

I need to notify Ofcom but that should be routine.   Hope to work you and as many members of the reflector as possible that weekend.

Fingers crossed for good conditions. Antenna 1/4 wave horizontal above poor conducting ground with radials running away from antenna.

I would be interested to know if anyone has a calibrated field strength system operating at the time and any DX ststions who may be intersted in listening / a QSO.   - CW / QRSS only with my class D TX.

Thanks

David     QTH    50:59.56 N   00:22.28 (not sure if thats west or east of Greenwich)

Dear all.

I think Laurie has come up with a very good idea,also possibly a weekend slot(s). If I knew there was a good chance of a QSO then I would come on more often, it would need to be no fancy transmission modes just good old fashioned cw.

73, Ken, M0KHW

----- Original Message -----

From: lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb

Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:55 PM

Subject: LF: Activity

Dear All,
I am concerned at the lack of activity on 500kHz.
I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice
hear a signal now and again.!
Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to 18:30
call on 502.50, QSY up/down. If you don't like this, any
other ideas?
73 Laurie G3AQC

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:39
Subject: LF: Re: Activity

Dear all.

I think Laurie has come up with a very good idea,also possibly a weekend slot(s). If I knew there was a good chance of a QSO then I would come on more often, it would need to be no fancy transmission modes just good old fashioned cw.

73, Ken, M0KHW

----- Original Message -----

From: lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb

Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:55 PM

Subject: LF: Activity

Dear All,
I am concerned at the lack of activity on 500kHz.
I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice
hear a signal now and again.!
Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to 18:30
call on 502.50, QSY up/down. If you don't like this, any
other ideas?
73 Laurie G3AQC

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----------MB_8CB9E4D3B621FAF_EF8_1C4E_webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (rly-ma03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.47]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA074-89d4a0b3b0725c; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:26:51 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA037-89d4a0b3b0725c; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:26:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4Lxq-0007CE-Hy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:26:10 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4Lxq-0007C5-5i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:26:10 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4Lxn-00008Q-Sm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:26:10 +0100 thread-index: AcnUEWoSo3bemmHVQM61YgPyLViMZQ== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:26:00 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2><010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com><833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> <20090513225952.e2nk4cqpm9kwokc4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> <51B7F2FA87A84383BB1A2166E4DF2A02@2a2d7ed321c6425> In-Reply-To: <51B7F2FA87A84383BB1A2166E4DF2A02@2a2d7ed321c6425> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:25:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Gerhard, thank's report! 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:16 PM Subject: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB Hello Gus, Also solid copy (56) in JN59LN Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI ====================== -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2009 23:05 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB Rik, thank's report. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB > Gus, > > solid 57 signal here tonight > > 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF083-52e4a0db0ae3ae; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:13:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF021-52e4a0db0ae3ae; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:13:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M51tL-00086g-JG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:12:19 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M51tL-00086X-5W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:12:19 +0100 Received: from mailout07.t-online.de ([194.25.134.83]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M51tJ-000423-5X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:12:19 +0100 Received: from fwd09.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1M51sH-0000q6-02; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:11:13 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (GDW6sYZCrh0p92e3qCcXG55J+TTyEP1kWTCqf2QdB9MZv3NjJwIn04oN+Wi5O77w8r@[93.211.80.87]) by fwd09.t-online.de with esmtp id 1M51sD-1zPetc0; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:11:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.07.0001 Date: 15 May 2009 18:11 GMT Message-ID: <1M51sD-1zPetc0@fwd09.t-online.de> X-ID: GDW6sYZCrh0p92e3qCcXG55J+TTyEP1kWTCqf2QdB9MZv3NjJwIn04oN+Wi5O77w8r X-TOI-MSGID: 4beafe79-3460-4572-b410-523e0f8ff9bb X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Aerial current Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear all, according to my experience radio transmitters with good efficiency and meeting all relevant data are usually designed for a load (!) of 50 ohms only, nothing else. But this does not mean that the source impedance of the transmitter output feeding the cable will also be 50 ohms! Remember that the supply voltage of the amplifier remains constant whilst the current within the output device may vary. The condition, that a power amplifier must also have a defined output source impedance I have found in the field of broadband cable driver amplifiers only, in that case mostly 75 ohms. But such a defined output source impedance can only be achieved in class A amplifiers and by using a lot of feedback in or around the output amplifier, a solution that degrades efficiency (not acceptable for RF power amplifiers). These amplifiers also use feedback at their input to achieve an imput impedance of 75 ohms. One typical solution for 75 ohms input and out impedance in this field has been a three stage grounded emitter amplifier, with resistive feedback from last collector to the first base. As such feedback will result in an input and output impedance of about zero ohms, 75 ohms series resistances wee added at the input and output to get 75 ohms input and output impedance! Losses did not count in this case. To get the feedback stable, the frequency limits of the transistors involved had to be much higher than the highest operating frequency of the system, of course. Similar solutions are found in the application of modern HF operational amplifiers. I hope this helps to clear the situation. Therefore I feel that impedance measurements into the output of a typical radio transmitter would be questionable. I rely on good SWR in the feed cable and maximum RF-voltage across the cable impedance, and this should also correspond to maximum output and aerial current at LF. HW? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Richard Newstead" schrieb: > Rik Strobbe wrote: > > Hello Richard, > > > > is you antenna matched to 50 Ohm ? > > Not sure but the optimum power transfer suggests that it is matched to > the output impedance of the transmitter. > > > If you just bring it to resonance (loading coild adjustment) the > > antenna impedance can be anything between 10 and 100 Ohm. > > And some 10m's length of coax can cause some odd impedance > > transformations, even on 500kHz. > > > > > There is no coax involved (well only 30cm) here so it is not that! > > Strange! > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (rly-mc10.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.94]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC023-d9d4a09e19c284; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:53:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC105-d9d4a09e19c284; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:52:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3yxP-0006Bp-L6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:52:11 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3yxP-0006Bg-62 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:52:11 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3yxN-0007j1-F4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:52:11 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUFAJt9CUpOltnb/2dsb2JhbACCJyyBfYc+BsIwhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.217.219]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 21:52:02 +0100 Message-ID: <013201c9d343$8027a080$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <011301c9d33c$83feeb70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <012501c9d342$02a3eed0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:52:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012F_01C9D34B.E1C398F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C9D34B.E1C398F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Was qrs3 now key down long carrier.=20 g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: LF: Re: LF OE5ODL solid signal now at 2140 utc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:02 PM Subject: LF: LF TX fired up and ready on 137.7 but so far nil observed.=20 G3KEV ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Was qrs3 now key down long carrier. =

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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:41 PM=

Subject: LF: Re: LF

OE5ODL solid signal now at 2140 utc

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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:02=20 PM

Subject: LF: LF

TX fired up and ready on 137.7 but so f= ar nil=20 observed.

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------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C9D34B.E1C398F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de11.mx.aol.com (rly-de11.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.147]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE082-5174a1463661d2; Wed, 20 May 2009 16:09:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE118-5174a1463661d2; Wed, 20 May 2009 16:09:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6s56-0005Iw-IL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 21:08:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6s56-0005In-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 21:08:04 +0100 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.191]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6s52-0003Wq-Ef for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 21:08:03 +0100 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so325120fkk.4 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:07:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QkfShf8ACkURJle38odFCUJVqhmhHyL+lCKYX5euyG4=; b=yAxWwNP8HQIM9vonKoHvc2qYFvW1PIC8kzxxjcIyBNYMjQTUhMKcnBa8Wk2ZPvzAq6 k6FRuZEVJox1m8vPf3cI2OUl3kYiPkt3KxQtTHbH/wS+966xveetyFVbx9iEeYddTj1k uQETGtYxOI/mcmdnFMiTcNUUidi2NNA64z0ok= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=sIhWjc8pEheU+MNERVtWlLCeyYqFx+29t40sBrjEhWjEeZw8kqzDvCgbb+f0qvlZ5w 8OF9aw5m8KLbqwau9cWBq4Z5vYYiZgZhOvgS2YuqAkNNtcQAlJ30YIPVxAm3H5qEjS8I h93PrvGvYXg05e+ryujN59QLnKKBDkl+pIkY8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.55.15 with SMTP id s15mr1603665bkg.53.1242850077398; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:07:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <117598D055BB4752B434D00FED548617@lindavideo> References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> <20090519232905.l4n0cl7o5vk0oogs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <117598D055BB4752B434D00FED548617@lindavideo> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:07:57 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5990b5f5843046a5d9553 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d252.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636c5990b5f5843046a5d9553 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Answers to all comments. It was modelled with lossless components. I didn't have to time to do any mofre than a basic cesign.. But its a relativlely benign filter so inductors with Qu of 40 pluss should be OK. Ansoft Designer is downloadable from Ansoft http://www.ansoft.com/ansoftdesignersv/ You need to register, but teh student version is free. Its BIG ! Andy G4JNT wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom 2009/5/20 Ken > Hi Andy. > Where can I obtain a copy of Ansoft Designer from, I usually use Addie for > filters, a second option would be worth having. > > 73 > Ken > > M0KHW > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Andy Talbot > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:07 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. > > Ansoft Designer came up with this solution. > > http://www.g4jnt.com/518kHz_BandStop.gif > > The component values aren't particulalrly nice, and there is almost > certainly a nicer design with transformers to be found, but... > > Andy G4JNT > > > 2009/5/19 Rik Strobbe > >> Gary, >> >> a simple series L-C notch works best when >> - Q is high = you need a good coil (capacitor Q shouldn't be the problem) >> - the output "sees" a high impedance (FET buffer) >> - the source impedance is high compared to the loss resistance of the coil >> (eventualy put a R of a few 100 Ohm in serie with the antenna) >> But it will be a hard job to get a decent attenuation at 518 while passing >> 501-506 without too much losses. >> >> An alternative would be a xtal filter as a passband filter for 501-506. >> If you can find a number of 500kHz xtals and "polish" them up some kHz. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >> Hi LF, >>> >>> >>> >>> You may have seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at >>> about >>> 506KHz. The original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this >>> grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz. >>> >>> >>> >>> I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel >>> filter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly >>> due >>> to the bandwidth of the filter?? >>> >>> >>> >>> Is there some simple narrow notch filter which I could use to remove the >>> offending signal. >>> >>> >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > --001636c5990b5f5843046a5d9553 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Answers to all comments.

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It was modelled with lossless components.=A0 I didn't have to time=20= to do any mofre than a basic cesign..=A0=A0 But its a relativlely benign fil= ter so inductors with Qu of 40 pluss should be OK.

=A0

Ansoft Designer is downloadable from Ansoft=A0 http://www.ansoft.com/ansoftdesignersv/=A0 Y= ou need to register, but teh student version is free.=A0=A0=A0

=A0

Its BIG !

=A0

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Andy =A0G4JNT
wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom

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2009/5/20 Ken <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>=

Hi Andy.

Where can I obtain a copy of Ansoft Des= igner from, I usually use Addie for filters, a second option would be worth=20= having.

=A0

73

Ken

=A0

M0KHW=A0

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy Talbot

To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:07 PM<= /div>
Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filte= r.

Ansoft Designer came up with this solution.=A0

=A0

= http://www.g4jnt.com/518kHz_BandStop.gif

=A0

The component values=A0aren't=A0particulalrly nice, and there is al= most certainly a nicer design with transformers to be found, but...

Andy =A0G4JNT

2009/5/19 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.= kuleuven.be>

Gary,

a simple series L-C n= otch works best when
- Q is high =3D you need a good coil (capacitor Q sh= ouldn't be the problem)
- the output "sees" a high impedance (FET buffer)
- the source=20= impedance is high compared to the loss resistance of the coil (eventualy put= a R of a few 100 Ohm in serie with the antenna)
But it will be a hard jo= b to get a decent attenuation at 518 while passing 501-506 without too much=20= losses.

An alternative would be a xtal filter as a passband filter for 501-506.<= br>If you can find a number of 500kHz xtals and "polish" them up s= ome kHz.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T=20

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

Hi LF,

You may have= seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at about
506KHz. T= he original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this
grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz.

I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel
f= ilter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly due<= br> to the bandwidth of the filter??

Is there some simple narrow=20= notch filter which I could use to remove the
offending signal.

73,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

--001636c5990b5f5843046a5d9553-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG063-5aa4a228fc31a4; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:10:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG025-5aa4a228fc31a4; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:10:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAljS-0001l2-9k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:09:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAljR-0001kt-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:09:49 +0100 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAljR-0002XX-5g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:09:49 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KKI00G6SI07UQ@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:09:43 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:09:41 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <9D180A8F7EE04EB8AA99F30647978E9E@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <4A227146.9030006@online.fr> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: qso PA0CPM => F1AFJ on 2200m Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 tu Jean-Pierre, henny pa3cpm 73s ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ""Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)"" To: Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: LF: qso PA0CPM =3D> F1AFJ on 2200m > Hello Henny , > > Thank you for the good qso in 137 kHz . > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2144 - Release Date: 05/30/09=20 17:53:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC092-b484a071fc937a; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:41:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC104-b484a071fc937a; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:41:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Dwr-0000Ni-TR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:40:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Dwr-0000NZ-DP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:40:29 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3Dwp-0000yo-8r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:40:29 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7E4E07000086 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:40:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 3C8F97000082 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:40:21 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510184021248.3C8F97000082@mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> In-Reply-To: <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:40:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 All, Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM To: Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later > > All > > Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 > > Tx set > > Dial 501.000 > mode usb > > FLDIGI software PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz > > MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz > > ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz > > Power 40 watts per stream > Running loop at 60 seconds repeat > > No rx due to drive below vox/alc level > > Reports welcome > > Graham > > G0NBD / IO83LK > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD074-91649ff521b335; 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Mon, 4 May 2009 16:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Black (g229165054.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.165.54]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA086-88a549ff5178148; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:35:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <1773268710.20090503233932@dx.ru> In-Reply-To: <1773268710.20090503233932@dx.ru> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:35:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: RU beacons May 1-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Ed, as far as I could see, up to now CFH from Halifax was on air only during one night, preceding May 1st. Which is good because sitting in the middle of the LF band with a fairly wide modulation spectrum, it must be quite annoying to American receiver operators. Congratulations again on your excellent signal last weekend! Average nighttime fieldstrength here was about 3 uV/m, dropping to 0.3 uV/m fairly suddenly after sunrise around 2:25z on Sunday. 73 de Markus, DF6NM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed RU6LA" To: Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: LF: Re: RU beacons May 1-3 ... Marcus DF6NM has informed abt CHF - as often it works now? ... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db09.mx.aol.com (rly-db09.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.84]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB084-ae34a034925252; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:48:46 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB091-ae34a034925252; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:48:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2AVV-0002uV-FJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:47:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2AVV-0002uM-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:47:53 +0100 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2AVS-0002Wu-R0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:47:52 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.16] (helo=6.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #91) id 1M2AVR-0005cj-Kj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:47:49 +0200 Received: from w115d.w.pppool.de ([89.58.17.93]:1163 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 6.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M2AVR-0006LF-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:47:49 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506225829.1vrsvh 9ozjwcwog8@webmail 4.kuleuven.be> <351E24E134154160986CF3C5CC07321A@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090507152132.C17FE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 22:47:50 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090507152132.C17FE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnPKCJtUyMS+hjrQ0K+hOJCRLq/lQALG8Sw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: AW: FM-Hell Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, nice visible signal on waterfall at 20:40;=20 Signal was also clear audible!!!!! Sri, I don't have installed a FM-Hell decoder; Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI (JN59LN) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 17:22 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: FM-Hell Dear all, I will do some FM-Hell transmissions tonight on 503.5kHz from 20:30=20 UTC til 21:20 UTC starting every 10 minutes. Between transmissions I will "listen" on the same frequency. Report are welcome. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG102-9f74a11971627d; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:13:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG021-9f74a11971627d; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:12:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M66NZ-0000sB-Be for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 18:11:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M66NY-0000s2-Vt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 18:11:56 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M66NW-0003yH-JG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 18:11:56 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlsFAAszEUpOltil/2dsb2JhbACCIy+CAIc9BsUuhAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.216.165]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 18:10:49 +0100 Message-ID: <003c01c9d7db$9769c1f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:10:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: JA and LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C9D7E3.F8CECBE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C9D7E3.F8CECBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do not think English hams could teach the Japanese much about electronics.= LF and MF operations have been around since radio began. So what is new. Ju= st because the Japanese have been allocated 136 khz does not mean they know=20= nothing about it. They have been big players on MF for years on 160 metres,=20= LF techniques are very similar. I expect to see a 136 RICE BOX before too lo= ng.=20 I have worked over 100 JA stns on 160 metres in recent years, mostly big sig= nals, they know their stuff !!!!! G3KEV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C9D7E3.F8CECBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do not think English hams could teach the= =20 Japanese much about electronics. LF and MF operations have been around since= =20 radio began. So what is new. Just because the Japanese have been allocated 1= 36=20 khz does not mean they know nothing about it. They have been big players on=20= MF=20 for years on 160 metres, LF techniques are very similar. I expect=20= to=20 see a 136 RICE BOX before too long.

I have worked over 100 JA stns on 160 metre= s in=20 recent years, mostly big signals, they know their stuff !!!!!
G3KEV

------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C9D7E3.F8CECBE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (rly-mc08.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.92]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC022-d8c4a02f17a2a1; Thu, 07 May 2009 10:34:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC084-d8c4a02f17a2a1; Thu, 07 May 2009 10:34:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M24fu-0001l4-Ji for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:34:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M24fu-0001kv-4z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:34:14 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f213.google.com ([209.85.217.213]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M24fr-0004Nl-Jc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:34:14 +0100 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so1740750gxk.4 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 07:34:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tzQaiVvCBd7Lf9PjyA/GulSqdNrCS/KCSZly+0D8B9o=; b=fnYox3WZNZs/ukr9E0gzNhD+QuwcxT1xv6bsMx4+ACTj2JYjXdHiiEcF3r9K1VnOML PTMXppwggMqttI5BJfO79xrra3v5Gm+12NINBxS57pUQftKTuqJkheuA75EAftAAiNwL XTBRePu2N6YjYIfhyJ9GO7fNw+rU4I0YSn1E4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NyWY/J0GiwySrQiPB4VA5QjQtDi1TeewHOH5Po5+IEzlqwfk3VhyCnNpWv0VNDVMyX iqxskbZzm7fHB4Z5dLUDP8guZ3BfZqBPfns+jh4kCrw7CB+mMytIO+N4zThIzEcHqj2r rddQzICDl6UD5sE+XvuH2AC6DPB1SK4xYzw6c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.70.15 with SMTP id s15mr2147671aga.42.1241706844856; Thu, 07 May 2009 07:34:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A02C555.3020704@ukonline.co.uk> References: <008501c9ce63$c07ecf30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905061229w6c853f60w291cca01c39eec09@mail.gmail.com> <4A02C555.3020704@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:34:04 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905070734p27486927p7661a4d17a16d49e@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Decca 5501Jeep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d292.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Peter, Yes the Decca's are great transmitters with a bullet-proof design. I have run mine key down continuously at 1.4kW dc input for 2.5 hours for ERP measurements with no ill effects. I bought spare MOSFETs from Ebay but thankfully haven't needed them. My Decca did have an open diode in the guard circuit when I got it, most likely the result of a lightning strike, but other than that no worries. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Peter Dodd wrote: > Hi Warren > I fully agree with you. The Decca 5501's were used in unattended stations > and transmitting 24/7 under a very heavy duty cycle. There were several > transmitters all in the same rack transmitting at the same time on differe= nt > frequencies feeding into the same antenna through an ingenious automatic > multi-tuning system - a remarkable bit of radio engineering. > I blew the FETs in one of the amplifier units because my 5501 had been > modified =A0to be dual band 73 and 136kHz and one day when I QSYed I forgo= t to > change all the necessary coil taps. > Check out G4FTCs web site for some interesting pictures of the Decca > stations. > > Regards > > Peter, G3LDO > >> Mal, >> >> =A0 =A0You couldn't be more wrong!!! >> I have been running a Decca in QRSS 60 for several years now at full >> power + often overnight and occasionally for days at time with ZERO >> transmitter failures. The Decca runs cool at 1.4 - 1.5 kW DC input. >> Perhaps you are not allowing for sufficient air circulation through >> the heat sinks. My Decca is in a rack with plenty of clearance above >> and below for the air to circulate. I don't think that it's a good >> idea to run the Decca sitting on a table as I've seen done in some >> shack pictures. >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB022-af04a1539b575; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:23:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB106-af04a1539b575; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:23:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M76MX-00077i-1b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:23:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M76MW-00077Z-JX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:23:00 +0100 Received: from mta11.charter.net ([216.33.127.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M76MT-0007Ms-5c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:22:59 +0100 Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090521112231.ZDAS22327.mta11.charter.net@imp11> for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:22:31 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.189.74.84]) by imp11 with charter.net id uBNX1b0021p78xe05BNXgw; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:22:31 -0400 Message-ID: <4A153977.6090206@charter.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:22:31 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A151431.8020909@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4A151431.8020909@gmx.de> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XES and XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hartmut, Thanks for the report. Good to have you watching! John, W1TAG Hartmut Wolff wrote: > A capture can be seen here: > > http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc04.mx.aol.com (rly-mc04.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.88]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC023-d6e4a01f25b57; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:26:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC046-d6e4a01f25b57; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:26:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1ng2-0007hu-3C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:25:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1ng1-0007hl-GR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:25:13 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1nfy-00062f-Lg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:25:12 +0100 X-Trace: 194261786/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgEAIOOAUpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKIcVhBPDBAeCPYE9BQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,304,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="194261786" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 06 May 2009 21:25:05 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:25:08 +0100 Message-ID: <004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnOhnAxJAMdCWu9S76h3b/zP8C82wAAgN2Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Rik & Gerhard, When Rik makes his CQ call I will attempt to make a 2 way contact using the same settings. Any reports will be welcome. 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 06 May 2009 21:04 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Hello Gerhard, tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 minutes. Same mode as yesterday. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > Hello Rik, > > Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. > Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY test > transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward to > verify a new mode. > > Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC > Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) > > 73, Rik > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> >> >> Hello Rik, >> >> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one > more >> chance for decoding.... >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>> and listen inbetween. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>> >>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>> >>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>> >>>>> OK Rik, >>>>> >>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to > monitor, >>> I >>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>> >>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>> The way I did it: >>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR >>> BPF >>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>> >>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>> >>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>> >>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>> needs >>>>> to >>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us > using >>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the > colors >>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>>> locator >>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG044-9f14a00ad04236; 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Tue, 5 May 2009 23:17:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 325CD5D06; Tue, 5 May 2009 23:17:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.65.71.240]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 23:17:12 +0200 Message-ID: <20090505231712.ij3u1i7d7mlcg0os@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 23:17:12 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <011401c9cdc5$33baeeb0$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <011401c9cdc5$33baeeb0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.65.71.240 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gary, good copy. Did you play with the RX parameters ? What I gave was just the result of a 10 minute dry test, I can =20 probably be improved. Any chance for a RTTY QSO one of these days ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi Rik, > > Just got this as you came up in strength. > > ANT INV-L 11M HIGH AND 22M LONG > ERP ABT 500MW > RTTY TEST DE OR7T OR7T OR7T JO20IX > PWR 100W > ANT INV-L 11M HIGH AND 22M LONG > ERP ABT 500MW > SE K > > Looking good now. > > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 05 May 2009 21:56 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> >> Hello Rik, >> >> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >> and listen inbetween. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >> >>> Hello Gary, LF, >>> >>> I just had a first transmission. >>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>> >>>> OK Rik, >>>> >>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor= , >> I >>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the info. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Gary, LF, >>>> >>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>> The way I did it: >>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR >> BPF >>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>> do that in the main screen. >>>> >>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>> >>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>> >>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>> >>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >> needs >>>> to >>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>> >>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us usin= g >>>> 85Hz. >>>>>> >>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>> >>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the color= s >>>>>> and options. >>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>> locator >>>>>>> :- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>>> 21UTC >>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (rly-dg12.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.96]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG042-60d4a0c95f32a8; 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format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, I am running a WSPR mode beacon again on 502.4kHz "dial frequency", 503.905kHz RF out. Any reports would be very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE053-4ba4a12b75252; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:42:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE025-4ba4a12b75252; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:42:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6PZw-0005Bb-J2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:42:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6PZw-0005BS-5r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:42:00 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6PZu-0002k7-2T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:42:00 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApkFAMtTEkpZ8FKy/2dsb2JhbACEU8pwhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.82.178]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 14:41:50 +0100 Message-ID: <008a01c9d887$904c64c0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> <20090517222630.ae0y0n55sb7ookoo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8CBA607C4722FC0-157C-146@webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com> <007401c9d880$abd2c420$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A12B248.5000304@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:41:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I quote from the LF COMIC and postings to the reflector of yesteryears. There must be a lot that cannot make the TOP FLOOR I wonder what prompted you to reply ? Does something ring a bell !! g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Dodd" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:21 PM Subject: Re: LF: JA ops > mal hamilton wrote: >> Dave >> Where have these BRAVE men gone? along with their exploding BK >> amplifiers, and smoky Decca Jeeps. >> I seem to remember when MM0ALM appeared with his home built tube >> amplifier and antenna array of 4 x 100 ft antenna masts and getting >> 579 reports on CW from the USA and Canada, those south of Watford >> capitulated. Others in the Midlands and North perservered and are >> still going strong. >> G3KEV > One gets the impression that the elevator doesn't go to the top floor > > Peter, G3LDO > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.34/2121 - Release Date: 05/18/09 17:55:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-aa34a0b4be232f; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:38:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB011-aa34a0b4be232f; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:38:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4N5P-0008OP-JZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:38:03 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4N5P-0008OF-7g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:38:03 +0100 Received: from mailout03.t-online.de ([194.25.134.81]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4N5N-0000uj-P0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Gus, tonight around 22.30 UTC your SSB is also better to read, also yesterday nicht. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Gus" schrieb: > Rik, > > thank's report. > > 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM > Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB > > > > Gus, > > > > solid 57 signal here tonight > > > > 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF023-9834a08a1fa2a; 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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9D28D.608943C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9D28D.608943C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gus, Your SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of static crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compression to boost your "talk power". My RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usual 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high. I have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to you? 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gus Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9D28D.608943C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gus,

Your=20 SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of static=20 crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compression= to=20 boost your "talk power".

My RX=20 is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usual=20 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high.

I have=20 saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to=20 you?

73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 Gus
Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF:=20 SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5=20= kHz=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW= id=20 include....

Reports are wellcome.=

73 de Gus=20 SM6BHZ
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9D28D.608943C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG081-5dc4a01ea5b78; Wed, 06 May 2009 15:52:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG075-5dc4a01ea5b78; Wed, 06 May 2009 15:51:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1n8q-0007N8-MD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 20:50:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1n8q-0007Mz-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 20:50:56 +0100 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1n8o-0005rD-Iv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 20:50:55 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.11] (helo=1.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #88) id 1M1n8m-0003be-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:50:53 +0200 Received: from w33ee.w.pppool.de ([89.58.51.238]:1147 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 1.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M1n8m-0002LI-8T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:50:52 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:50:48 +0200 Message-ID: <44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnNy5BQ2ZyBhohvQf+MHTbZJBPogAAt5zAg X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY test transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward to verify a new mode. Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Hello Gerhard, I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) 73, Rik Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > > Hello Rik, > > I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one more > chance for decoding.... > > Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> >> Hello Rik, >> >> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >> and listen inbetween. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >> >>> Hello Gary, LF, >>> >>> I just had a first transmission. >>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>> >>>> OK Rik, >>>> >>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor, >> I >>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the info. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Gary, LF, >>>> >>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>> The way I did it: >>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR >> BPF >>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>> do that in the main screen. >>>> >>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>> >>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>> >>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>> >>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >> needs >>>> to >>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>> >>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using >>>> 85Hz. >>>>>> >>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>> >>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>>>>> and options. >>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>> locator >>>>>>> :- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>>> 21UTC >>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF083-95b4a08a8bc36f; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:38:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF051-95b4a08a8bc36f; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:37:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3e7g-0007vl-Jd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:37:24 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3e7g-0007vc-5Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:37:24 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3e7e-00070o-FF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:37:24 +0100 thread-index: AcnSiQj3Mi//a26qRaWTCse7UqrZLA== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:37:15 +0100 Message-ID: <5A69E092D3C045358FFC4FAEB5C5C2EC@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> <1M3dxj-1eZn860@fwd10.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1M3dxj-1eZn860@fwd10.t-online.de> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 00:37:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009C_01C9D299.CB70B400" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C9D299.CB70B400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable T-Online eMailHA-JO, Thank's report! I understand it's very hard to copy this evening with all the static and noi= se. Thank's=20 Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:24 AM Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear Gus, good copy of your CW signal on 505,5 kHz around 22.20 UTC here in eastern=20= Bavaria, JN68GN. SSB is difficult to read in QRN. OK? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Gus" schrieb:=20 Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ =20 ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C9D299.CB70B400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable T-Online eMail
HA-JO,

Thank's report!

I understand it's very hard to copy this eve= ning=20 with all the static and noise.

Thank's

Gus

----- Original Message -----

hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:24=20 AM

Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon

Dear Gus,
good=20 copy of your CW signal on 505,5 kHz around 22.20 UTC here in eastern=20 Bavaria, JN68GN. SSB is difficult to read in QRN.

OK?

7= 3=20 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB

"Gus" <begu@algonet.se> schrieb:=20

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,= 5 kHz=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a=20= CW id=20 include....

Reports are=20 wellcome.

73 de Gus=20 SM6BHZ
=20
------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C9D299.CB70B400-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de10.mx.aol.com (rly-de10.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.146]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE043-5074a1aa28d3c3; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:52:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE102-5074a1aa28d3c3; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:52:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8aZs-0004JZ-51 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:50:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8aZr-0004JQ-Qi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:50:55 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.191] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8aZm-0006l5-AW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:50:54 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 641CE1C00084 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:50:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.42.3]) by mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id D9C021C00081 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:50:38 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090525135038892.D9C021C00081@mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <94419FEEC27B4A928A2A9D9DC32CF1A6@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11229299AE3@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk>,<004901c9d610$1b647900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11CEAA5881A@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11CEAA5881A@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:50:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Digital path tests Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 This link may be of use http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/message/31279 G.. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de08.mx.aol.com (rly-de08.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.144]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE051-4f949fcba071bf; Sat, 02 May 2009 17:24:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE088-4f949fcba071bf; Sat, 02 May 2009 17:24:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0MfI-0007Jf-Ve for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 22:22:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0MfI-0007JW-Je for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 22:22:32 +0100 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0MfH-0005Vs-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 22:22:32 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.20] (helo=10.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #88) id 1M0MfF-0007zN-DI; Sat, 02 May 2009 23:22:29 +0200 Received: from w152e.w.pppool.de ([89.58.21.46]:1735 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 10.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M0MfE-0000FI-RE; Sat, 02 May 2009 23:22:29 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Cc: "'Rik Strobbe'" References: <002201c9bc24$6c33fa00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><27CD374833AB46EBA48AF59F6CC2BEF3@DR2><006901c9bc4c$6e72e650$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20090413221651.jucoh8ac9ogg84g0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 23:22:27 +0200 Message-ID: <3AFA1B7B9D1240C5AD141ECA52E8A9D2@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090413221651.jucoh8ac9ogg84g0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acm8dW85ov14XQ9BTbe5Av/4FwpFVgO9YrFw X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: CQ_Test from OR7T Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C9CB7C.DCDE28E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C9CB7C.DCDE28E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Rik, LF heard your Test_Call (OR7T) on 502,7 KHz in Regular CW-Mode with 559 in JN59LN. vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI ========================= ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C9CB7C.DCDE28E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Rik, LF

heard your Test_Call (OR7T) on 502,7 KHz in Regular CW-Mode with 559

in JN59LN.

vy 73 de Gerhard&nbs= p; // DK6NI

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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik, thank's report. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB > Gus, > > solid 57 signal here tonight > > 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF054-5884a01b2cede; Wed, 06 May 2009 11:55:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF111-5884a01b2cede; Wed, 06 May 2009 11:54:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jRv-0006Gy-Gj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:54:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jRv-0006Gp-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:54:23 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.127]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1jRs-0004IQ-TM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:54:22 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2bthomr09.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DFX73375; Wed, 6 May 2009 16:52:59 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:53:00 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020A.4A01B25C.04A8,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all I am hoping to be granted an NoV for portable operating on 500kHz. I have parts on order for the GW3UEP Economy transmitter which will be run on 12 Volts. Suggestions for portable aerials that can be set-up by one person on remote and windy hilltops will be most welcome. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (rly-dc05.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.34]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC051-b244a11a8be31b; Mon, 18 May 2009 14:28:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC058-b244a11a8be31b; Mon, 18 May 2009 14:28:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M67YQ-00014k-5T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 19:27:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M67YP-00014b-N4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 19:27:13 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M67YK-00055e-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 19:27:13 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgsFAJ9EEUpOltil/2dsb2JhbACEUokFwyCEAQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.216.165]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 19:27:02 +0100 Message-ID: <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> <20090517222630.ae0y0n55sb7ookoo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:27:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 This is a meaningless argument about 25 watts and range on LF. One needs to know about the actual antenna in use and the resulting ERP. Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136 and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in that area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time. Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scotland and still do. There were also some big signals from EU at the time, unfortunately now all gone QRT, all active on CW. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Hi Warren, depends on what you call a neighbour. In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to 400km under similar conditions. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Warren Ziegler : > Tnx Laurence, > > If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will > have to get some of his neighbors on. > > 73 Warren K2ORS > > On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China > wrote: >> >> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites - >> fyi >> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A >> >> >> From: ja3vqw Hiroshi >> Hi Laurence >> >> Thanks for your e-mail. >> Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last >> month. >> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO >> with >> any station. >> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz. >> So if you find my signal please QSL me. >> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W. >> The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long. >> 73 >> >> >> >> >> >> Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: 05/18/09 06:28:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG053-5f04a0db5071cc; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:31:51 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG095-5f04a0db5071cc; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:31:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M52BR-0008Oc-K0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:31:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M52BR-0008OT-5g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:31:01 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M52BP-0004B7-0a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:31:01 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3507.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 809A37000089 for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:30:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.95.175]) by mwinf3507.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id EA1847000088 for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:30:46 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090515183046958.EA1847000088@mwinf3507.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <314E4EC5BF0B4EF0927346C1EABD1DBC@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:30:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Aerial current Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard . This bit may of been missed ////// Any ideas? ////// Incidentally, am I best to measure current in the link or in the aerail ////// wire? The ammeter 'has' to be at the point of feed to the Ae and 'not' within the ATU ie in a link .. the circulating currents within the tuner may be extremely large and peak voltages also may be vast , due in part to the Q of the tuner .. my home brew 80 mtr tuner used to un-solder the tap's on the coil and the ww2 cellulite coil separators used to flash over .... As for measuring power with the ammeter into the antenna this is virtually impossible , unless you have a calibrated power meter and are able to , measure the losses in the tuner and the power supplied to the tuner/Ae with a near perfect match , the current value then may be extrapolated and used as a relative measurement .. for that frequency . with that Ae at that time due to the load being 'complex' G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 5:01 PM To: Subject: LF: Aerial current > > After my success in getting more current into the aerial yesterday I > decided to measure the RF current in the link (link coupled ATU) with a > proper RF ammeter. I was somewhat surprised that the current pinned my 1 > Amp RF meter. How can that be? I can think of some possible reasons: > > 1) The meter is wrong (it must be nearly 70 years old) > 2) The impedance is not 50 Ohms which is odd because I assume the TX is > designed to have a 50 Ohm output and I carefully adjusted the link for > maximum power transfer last night). > 3) The transmitter is giving out far more power than expected (seems > unlikely). > > Any ideas? > > Incidentally, am I best to measure current in the link or in the aerail > wire? > > 73 > > Richard > > PS - beacon on again 501.6kHz. > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.29/2114 - Release Date: 05/14/09 > 06:28:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD052-92c4a0b3af4b3; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:26:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD104-92c4a0b3af4b3; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:26:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4LxL-0007C1-DO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:25:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4LxL-0007Bs-1u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:25:39 +0100 Received: from mx10.go2.pl ([193.17.41.74] helo=poczta.o2.pl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4LxI-00088I-Jf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:25:38 +0100 Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx10.go2.pl [127.0.0.1]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3792865F03 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:24:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bxi (unknown [193.189.116.3]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:24:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <006801c9d411$40a61ad0$6551e00a@bxi> From: "Marcin" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2><010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com><833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> <20090513225952.e2nk4cqpm9kwokc4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> <51B7F2FA87A84383BB1A2166E4DF2A02@2a2d7ed321c6425> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:24:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332 Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Gus Copy your beacon 55/559 now. -- Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI (JO94II) Rik, thank's report. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB > Gus, > > solid 57 signal here tonight > > 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD073-91749ff901a73; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:02:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD077-91749ff901a73; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:02:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M191s-0008ML-Tk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 02:01:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M191s-0008MC-Hk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 02:01:04 +0100 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M191p-0005oD-JQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 02:01:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 65300 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 01:00:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=4G0abTnHRphKI8cGuW8MMlpNCJBhG8ZjgsY9bGY16ukgoTap00suoe9zcxq5N0ueAeKUjOfasSay9Kh7V+V4YD3cWD4vU+2QfHz4CKsH0yNp+rHAgeeIVZWI64iKlHHFi+wP8QVq2Tfdfzn2iYsaGabXCUd4pfyoU6aAK84JFnk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.110.22 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 01:00:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5z_ZyA0VM1kCdhJleuiCmjOgYHCXPRy1eR6pGBanQNFfmCWw5FwVafd3TdT0_dvPM2z9kJDhoCsbad2HCzUdk0deyaWfRBTKntbS0OnsyxhJCayl6isuJbfH2FP6Uer1hXJKlYXx1TeUjycl_5uzOohtc6rolREW3D9XsJZSKPz3tGbUr6Blr8qJ70Ss0UQcfZpIaw7HbtYA5ttfSNLwqXdnaJ0MzZ9NlOc5LfoQkuxdjALeQF_o6biuYvMnNM1MF0Hn0swp2zADbtL.XoaBEWbYuVTPVN9GVoF_chvZo1_xMyKKrxo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <9ADAE0806D17400EBA500453FF36AF90@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8bf118410905040810m1fb41016pab9a1c0a7c79bf06@mail.gmail.com> <106017.93017.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <106017.93017.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 02:00:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Chris, LF Group, ...>>>> The problem's before the mixer. As advised, I disconnected the RF stage and injected a signal into the mixer and it gives a constant output even with a blow heater playing on the insides. >>>>... So that narrows it down to the ferrite rod antenna circuit or the FET preamp. Injecting the signal directly into the preamp input should tell you which it is. ...>>>> I've spent a few more hours on the F/S meter today and still have not found the problem. I can blow with a drinking straw on any component and there's very little output change yet with time there's a slow drift with temperature - the output goes up with increased temperature. >>>... At the moment, my bet would be on the ferrite rod antenna. The transconductance of a FET (JFET or MOSFET) certainly varies with temperature, but generally decreases with increasing temp, so the output level should fall as the temperature rises, and probably not as much as you are observing. Since the output of the ferrite rod ant depends mostly on the bulk properties of a fairly large chunk of ferrite, it would take an awful lot of blowing down a straw to have an effect ;-) But a change in ambient temp would give a slow change in output as the ferrite warmed or cooled. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD101-b604a0b3ca3299; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:33:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD022-b604a0b3ca3299; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:33:26 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4M4F-0007Ud-7k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:32:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4M4E-0007UU-Sx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:32:46 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4M4B-0008Fa-QK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:32:46 +0100 thread-index: AcnUElMsgWN01AQNStCbFNpl51ozwA== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:32:30 +0100 Message-ID: <97F20D0C2D4D4F41863B91D1CFD71367@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2><010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com><833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> <20090513225952.e2nk4cqpm9kwokc4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> <51B7F2FA87A84383BB1A2166E4DF2A02@2a2d7ed321c6425> <006801c9d411$40a61ad0$6551e00a@bxi> In-Reply-To: <006801c9d411$40a61ad0$6551e00a@bxi> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:32:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Marcin, thank's report! 73 de Gus SM6BHZ www.sm6bhz.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcin" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:24 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB > Hello Gus > Copy your beacon 55/559 now. > -- > Vy 73! > Marcin SQ2BXI (JO94II) > > > Rik, > > thank's report. > > 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM > Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB > > >> Gus, >> >> solid 57 signal here tonight >> >> 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC104-b104a0e8ce35d; Sat, 16 May 2009 05:52:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC034-b104a0e8ce35d; Sat, 16 May 2009 05:52:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5GYr-0001so-H6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:52:09 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5GYr-0001se-5P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:52:09 +0100 Received: from mhost03c.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.76.167]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5GYp-0001iB-6q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:52:09 +0100 Received: from APOLLO2.ds.leeds.ac.uk (apollo2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.5.5]) by mhost03c.leeds.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4G9q1px008952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:52:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([fe80::39ce:23e:d0b5:7e24]) by APOLLO2.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.5.5]) with mapi; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:52:01 +0100 From: Chris Trayner To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:50:21 +0100 Thread-Topic: Wavemeters Thread-Index: AQHJ1gv1Ap4larMmpkWOy0k4AOLyRA== Message-ID: <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11229299AE3@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Wavemeters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Talking of wavemeters, I have a class D wavemeter surplus to requirements. A= nyone want it? Free to a good home. 73, Chris G4OKW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB071-adf4a19b2363bf; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:47:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB085-adf4a19b2363bf; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:46:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8KaI-0001mH-R8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:46:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8KaI-0001m8-FI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:46:18 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8KaF-00022X-Vr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:46:17 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175527B8043 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:46:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EF1F3862 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:46:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 798CB59CF; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:46:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 84.36-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (84.36-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.36.84]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:46:07 +0200 Message-ID: <20090524224607.90l9xp4i23k000gs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:46:07 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <108EF969E1FE4E14821FD0B03287232F@JimPC> <20090524213307.sbrh6ea8x2g4og4s@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <7ED4E103A61B462EB9BBD98AB79610B1@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <7ED4E103A61B462EB9BBD98AB79610B1@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.36.84 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Jim, thanks for the info. I can hear the beacon CW on 503.1 with 429 report. Without QRN it would be a solid copy. 73, Rik Quoting James Moritz : > Dear Rik, LF Group, > > At the moment (2030utc), they are transmitting a CW beacon signal on > 503.1kHz, apparently the same signal level as before. QRN is getting > very heavy here. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV > > >> nil from G0MRF here (until 19:30 UTC) >> Are they QRV ? >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC042-b2b4a09675e3ce; Tue, 12 May 2009 08:11:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC067-b2b4a09675e3ce; Tue, 12 May 2009 08:11:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3qnr-0002fz-Jv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 13:09:47 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3qnr-0002fq-5c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 13:09:47 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3qnp-00035x-1d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 13:09:47 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqsEADQECUpZ8PlN/2dsb2JhbACEUMd4hAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.249.77]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 13:09:39 +0100 Message-ID: <007401c9d2fa$863a6280$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com>, <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A094F88.31094.2E46CD4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:09:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 You are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and especially antennas. I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with the far end just above ground , and in normal CW mode. Some time ago it was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil formers, thought an AR88D was a diversity fly catcher. What is coming next? The diversity UMBRELLA!!!! My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 100 ft high and performs well but for some this might be difficult, therefore use what you can get on your property and let the far end tilt down if necessary. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable >> You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. >> The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied >> to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far >> away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it >> simple. mal/g3kev > > This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards will reduce the effective > height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the > effective height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far > preferable to an inverted-L in a single mast situation because a > large amount of capacitance to ground can be achieved without much > reduction of effective height. > > Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my > advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are > very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Keep well away from > wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is > power lost. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 16:14:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (rly-mc10.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.94]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC021-d9d4a048f251bc; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:59:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC105-d9d4a048f251bc; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:59:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2WDr-0006Lo-W3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:59:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2WDr-0006Le-KO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:59:07 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2WDp-0008Ok-Fe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:59:07 +0100 X-Trace: 195538681/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtgEAKwrBEpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTIMOgQjCSQeDdgU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,318,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="195538681" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 08 May 2009 20:59:04 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:59:04 +0100 Message-ID: <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnQEHsYICKrVkoKT9SUbgc6dyivvAABtFKA X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Graham, LF, Coming in here no problem. CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com 73, Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 08 May 2009 20:05 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Narrow , MFSK 4 running 503.000 cent freq tx set 502.000 usb / 1000 hz audio cent FLDIGI software 100 Hz bw ? how wide do you make it ? tnx- Graham G0NBD IO83LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-ad94a1566612d4; Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB077-ad94a1566612d4; Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M79L2-0007PY-Hr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:33:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M79L2-0007PP-6E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:33:40 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.144]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M79Kz-0008KE-3N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:33:39 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so679153qwj.16 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:33:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WEanQKY6gv3NOlZ7JssKoJ56+fx3AKXpr0jS/tGGSHo=; b=xd+NHInAnsIWHby9EpIDm9cjGff8qw9FMx7816O3GJ8Vtzyq2OFXH/uqxVX+0MgiUZ wVgfeLsoyFxhKig+Ka2K+kponwOLW5p3ZbiZYP1r9MhI1//lWjQPQ6NAYyZULIOlEWz/ 0faMTG2nxM1Nx5W0XAKpp/wsAqxdJ1KbbIMB8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=M+z3T1t+6GeDBWcMzZOl8NDAHOzqDH/8FhiYBv3YKtGGKo2CoTJiWoh3aZpLnPhVmv xnCvrsSHFzzU/yzvrdVb1O9B12/xtfehxorrumToHQ+3b+6aUtM7WqMJE2WMfCkjmO+k CVZpH84NA2qO7f6pU/J13OKOgK3GYANHe11fk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.37.7 with SMTP id v7mr2660276qad.35.1242916415144; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:33:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:33:35 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905210733k910381ctab7dd160afc39442@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 21-05.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d289.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thanks Henny! On 5/21/09, henny van elst wrote: > Hi Warren,Lf > strong signal and nice capture, > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s. > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 21-05.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG102-a2b4a0b3513a9; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:01:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG085-a2b4a0b3513a9; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:01:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4LZ3-0006md-IY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gus, solid 57 signal here tonight 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME104-9d74a0c8286ac; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:44:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME093-9d74a0c8286ac; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:43:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4hlY-0001OX-Pu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 21:42:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4hlY-0001OO-9z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 21:42:56 +0100 Received: from mx12.go2.pl ([193.17.41.142] helo=poczta.o2.pl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4hlV-0002EV-23 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 21:42:55 +0100 Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx12 [127.0.0.1]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9E2104050 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:42:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bxi (unknown [193.189.116.61]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004a01c9d4d4$788e0b60$6551e00a@bxi> From: "Marcin" To: References: <003401c9d201$9fa60e30$6551e00a@bxi> <00dc01c9d328$a5f37c00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <007f01c9d355$af366bb0$6551e00a@bxi> <007b01c9d4a5$fd72a090$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:42:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: 137,710KHz sked Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Mal! In last weekend though storms We have QRSS 3s QSO in RU6LA: http://www.sp2kds.pl/wiadomoci/203-nowy-odx-w-pamie-136khz.html Mayby tray 10GHz rain scatter sked. Hi! -- Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > Marcin > I will look for u at 1900 onwards but WX forecast is poor with thunder > storms for the weekend. > QRN levels could be vy high. > 73 de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:02 AM > Subject: LF: 137,710KHz sked > > > > Helo Mal > > We wored at 137,710kHz on Saturday about 19-23 UTC. > > Mal plise sked 21:00 UTC, QRSS 3. > > Club antenna: > > http://www.sp2kds.pl/images/stories/antena%20136khz3.jpg > > Antenna foto: > > http://www.sp2kds.pl/galeria-morfeo/view/29.html > > -- > > Vy 73! > > Marcin SQ2BXI > > > >> Marcin > >> Are u testing during the week. I am qrv most evenings on CW and QRS3 > >> only. > >> My signal is usually strong in Poland daytime and nightime on 137 Khz. > >> Let > >> me know when u are QRV > >> DE Mal/g3kev > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Marcin" > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:27 AM > >> Subject: LF: Re: WPF > >> > >> > >> > Hello! > >> > Is there anyone to sked 136kHz? > >> > Plise about LF sked to saturday (16 may 2009); in the evening; QRSS or > > CW; > >> > 137,710kHz.. > >> > We have QRV on SP2KDS Club: JO94II ,1W EIRP, longwire antena 30m/110m. > >> > -- > >> > Vy 73! > >> > Marcin SQ2BXI > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > ------ > >> > >> > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: > >> 05/08/09 > >> 11:43:00 > >> > >> > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 > 16:14:00 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD062-b864a0744ae224; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:18:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD068-b864a0744ae224; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:18:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3GPW-0001xl-W0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:18:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3GPW-0001xc-FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:18:14 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3GPV-0001go-M5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:18:14 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458CA51C006 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:17:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1921BF3863 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:17:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A73215D2A; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:17:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 37.176-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (37.176-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.176.37]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:17:58 +0200 Message-ID: <20090510231758.jrfbrmu66i0og8sk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:17:58 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus><5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC><008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus><61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB><4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB><1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> <20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <2149FAD3D3B349DA8DD2D9B692522EEE@AGB> In-Reply-To: <2149FAD3D3B349DA8DD2D9B692522EEE@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.176.37 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, 21:15 UTC Throbx2 =3D 80% copy PSK31 =3D 50% copy MFSK4 =3D 0% copy (although audible weak) 73, Rik Quoting Graham : > Ok Rik, > > Well see what prints with this beacon, Im running Fldigi x 3 times > on the same pc , Gary is running the same for rx and reports all is > ok with the system ... > > tnx- G .. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:40 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > late= r > >> >> Hello Graham, >> >> thanks for the QSO's last night. >> Under current conditions (lot of QRN and QSB) ThrobX2 seemes a bit =20 >> better than >> PSK31. MFSK4 wouldn't print last night. >> The night before it was the same until all the sudden I had a perfect pri= nt. >> Maybe tuning / synchronisation is rather critical for MFSK4. >> The bandwidth of MFSK4 seems about 150Hz, so i will not use it for transm= it. >> PSK31 and ThrobX2 are well below 100Hz. >> >> I will try to decode the signals starting 21:00 UTC. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Graham : >> >>> Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream >>> same text , 60 sec repeat .. >>> >>> >>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz =3D 503.20k cent rf >>> >>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz =3D 503,00k cent rf >>> >>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz =3D 502.70 k cent rf >>> >>> >>> Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' >>> lock up time ? >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Graham" >>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later >>> >>>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >>>> >>>> G .. >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Graham" >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >>>> >>>>> >>>>> All >>>>> >>>>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>>>> >>>>> Tx set >>>>> >>>>> Dial 501.000 >>>>> mode usb >>>>> >>>>> FLDIGI software >>>> >>>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>>>> >>>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>>>> >>>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>>>> >>>>> Power 40 watts per stream >>>>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>>>> >>>>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>>>> >>>>> Reports welcome >>>>> >>>>> Graham >>>>> >>>>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release =20 >>>>> Date: 05/09/09 >>>>> 06:54:00 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>>> 05/09/09 06:54:00 >>>> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: =20 >> 05/10/09 07:02:00 >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5fa4a0b4af257; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:34:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG105-5fa4a0b4af257; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:34:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4N1K-0008Jd-Nm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:33:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4N1K-0008JU-5m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:33:50 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4N1I-0000ro-Cp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:33:50 +0100 thread-index: AcnUGt5PawYqjkwVS6mdLg5LZLDN7w== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:33:41 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: <1582396BAA6345DA9AA170F40E237C30@radiorummet> <904474A8715F452BB14047664F07E1FB@AGB> In-Reply-To: <904474A8715F452BB14047664F07E1FB@AGB> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:33:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham, nothing changed here! Yes maybe there is a little difference on Gary's grabber. Finbar GI4DPE send me a audio clip 20 min ago, good audio no limits in audio ;-). Iteresting experiance around different antennas!! Abt what we talked yesterday Q and so on.... My antenna have bandwith enough for SSB so there is no limit. This time of year there is a lot of noise and static, so there is ofcourse hard to receive especially with tuned antennas. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ www.sm6bhz.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB Gus, Have you altered the spectrum ? looking slightly different on Gary's grabber . good signal to night .. but lots of static , may just be noise level , speech seems less coloured , more red and blue , less green ? Best Rx Ae 20 mtr lazey H , no atu , direct via air space balum , slow qsb 7/8 Skip distance is just right for this storm in France ! http://www.upminsterweather.co.uk/test/ll.htm -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gus" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:43 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB > > Hi Marco, > > thanks report and info! > > 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > www.sm6bhz.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scholz, Marco " > To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:35 PM > Subject: AW: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB > > >> Hello Gus, >> your CW is ufb RST 529, SSB weaker RST 41. >> Happy to catch your SSB transmission. >> >> Thanks to Gerhard, DK6NI for informing me directly. >> >> Good night >> Vy73 >> Marco >> DD7PC >> >> >> ----- Originalnachricht ----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Gesendet: Wed May 13 22:16:26 2009 >> Betreff: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB >> >> >> Hello Gus, >> >> Also solid copy (56) in JN59LN >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >> >> ====================== >> >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2009 23:05 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB >> >> Rik, >> >> thank's report. >> >> 73 de Gus SM6BHZ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rik Strobbe" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM >> Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB >> >> >>> Gus, >>> >>> solid 57 signal here tonight >>> >>> 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.27/2112 - Release Date: 05/13/09 > 07:04:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF032-96e4a09770678; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:18:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF074-96e4a09770678; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:18:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3rqj-00031P-0N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 14:16:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3rqi-00031G-9W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 14:16:48 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f171.google.com ([209.85.218.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3rqf-0007hc-0X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 14:16:47 +0100 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so4287660bwz.4 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 06:16:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1rer1/RPHU1CY39n+3VenGdNcQnmgCGzgUV/HFhBFp0=; b=Tcx6sl6sRfZb/BF0z/Ij4iCAXPy1blAs1YoVMbWNmFmfIhrY5be5eGEdZ0wWUswP+J wj6xNJR6xc0HvQ9gt9b8ig0ggSsxJlDVmPaWmAHcsvbJjftBH9B/prAslYzJGZQg8Kc9 XWOYupwDqwOuXnYvHNDVKXS4jQhjoTe1GJtPA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hRuKjm8lVDgyMviQSs8rIzg/NXwbBhv/yS2U33qEbY1qIDDCVr2cuKNgJznxZSMeCo K9sg3Sv/ToQFT8Tis+54cc/vJP0v8RYZSEyoJv/aDlLznVjxuGOy5n3WmJutFMS/zHyG uO0i6KQU2Q3imQ2D3t9chBEusEvMZ1SApLLWU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.117.203 with SMTP id s11mr8023949bkq.153.1242134198872; Tue, 12 May 2009 06:16:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <007401c9d2fa$863a6280$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A094F88.31094.2E46CD4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <007401c9d2fa$863a6280$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:16:38 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d64865afea890469b6e724 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d251.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6d64865afea890469b6e724 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to become a loop with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather than a vertical. ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tenth of a wavelength cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered in its entirety. Such is obvious even before resorting to modelling. Mike was referring to electrically short antennas where the downward sloping part simply opposes the current flow in the upward path. A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too noticeable in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could do more good than its slope undoes. Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude and treating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as second-class radio-ams, you stop and read the exam question. Andy G4JNT wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom 2009/5/12 mal hamilton > You are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and > especially antennas. > I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with the far end just > above ground , and in normal CW mode. > Some time ago it was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil formers, > thought an AR88D was a diversity fly catcher. > What is coming next? The diversity UMBRELLA!!!! > My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 100 ft high and performs > well but for some this might be difficult, therefore use what you can get on > your property and let the far end tilt down if necessary. > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" < > mike.dennison@ntlworld.com> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable > > > You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. >>> The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied >>> to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far >>> away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it >>> simple. mal/g3kev >>> >> >> This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards will reduce the effective >> height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the >> effective height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far >> preferable to an inverted-L in a single mast situation because a >> large amount of capacitance to ground can be achieved without much >> reduction of effective height. >> >> Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my >> advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are >> very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Keep well away from >> wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is >> power lost. >> >> Mike, G3XDV >> ========== >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 > 16:14:00 > > > --0016e6d64865afea890469b6e724 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to become a= loop with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather than a= vertical.=A0=A0 ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tenth of a wa= velength cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered in its=20= entirety.=A0 Such is obvious even before resorting to modelling.=A0 Mike was= referring to electrically short antennas where the downward sloping part si= mply opposes the current flow in the upward path.=A0=A0=A0

=A0

A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too notice= able in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could do more goo= d than its slope undoes.

=A0

Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude and= =A0treating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as second= -class radio-ams, you stop and read the exam question.

Andy =A0G4JNT
wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom

=

2009/5/12 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
You are certainly NO EXPERT at ama= teur radio never mind LF/MF and especially antennas.
I have worked the wo= rld on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with the far end just above ground , and i= n normal CW mode.
Some time ago it was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil =A0formers, t= hought an AR88D was a =A0diversity fly catcher.
What is coming next? The=20= diversity UMBRELLA!!!!
My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 10= 0 ft high and performs well but for some this might be difficult, therefore=20= use what you can get on your property and let the far end tilt down if neces= sary.
G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" &l= t;mike.denni= son@ntlworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Port= able

You do not need 2 masts for an inv= L or T antenna.
The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the=20= far end tied
to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far
away= as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it
simple= . mal/g3kev

This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards wil= l reduce the effective
height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the
effecti= ve height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far
preferable to a= n inverted-L in a single mast situation because a
large amount of capacit= ance to ground can be achieved without much
reduction of effective height.

Based on my experience of LF portable=20= (both on 73 and 136kHz), my
advice is to make very sure that the remote e= nds of a Marconi are
very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Ke= ep well away from
wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is
power l= ost.

Mike, G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

--------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8= .5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 16:14:00

--0016e6d64865afea890469b6e724-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG052-5b34a222ea1296; Sun, 31 May 2009 03:15:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG034-5b34a222ea1296; Sun, 31 May 2009 03:15:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAfFj-0007Ip-SD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:14:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAfFj-0007Ig-D3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:14:43 +0100 Received: from wmsmtp.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.253] helo=otmx.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAfFg-0007t3-KK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:14:42 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroEAI7LIUpOlAzS/2dsb2JhbACEWskfhAwF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.12.210]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 31 May 2009 08:14:33 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c9e1bf$727f0560$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00d901c9e150$268eb610$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905301941q6d895ae8ofc8cceed6fd6cc5c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:14:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Need info Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Tnx Warren But I cannot find my model on the web sites, everything but. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:41 AM Subject: Re: LF: Need info > Mal, > http://www.armspower.com/Products/Powerware/Powerware9Prestige/Powerware9Prestige%20User%27s%20Guide,%20600-1800VA.pdf > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM, mal hamilton > wrote: >> UPS unit >> POWERWARE PRESTIGE EXT 1800P2HVSE >> Tech manual or any info appreciated >> tnx mal/g3kev >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2143 - Release Date: 05/30/09 05:53:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA081-a784a0a76f2201; Wed, 13 May 2009 03:30:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA068-a784a0a76f2201; Wed, 13 May 2009 03:29:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M48tc-0001I4-SL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 08:28:56 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M48tc-0001Hv-5s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 08:28:56 +0100 Received: from mail.cz.gmc.net ([77.48.211.230]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M48tY-0001n5-FI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 08:28:56 +0100 Received: from Lenovo (192.168.100.32) by dove.gmc.net (192.168.40.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.358.0; Wed, 13 May 2009 09:28:22 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Petr_Mal=FD?= To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:28:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C9D3AD.2256B300" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C9D3AD.2256B300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Graham, I use DDSv4: http://www.rmt-tech.com/Products.html I use it in my up-converter: http://ok1fig.nagano.cz/UC5695/Uc5695.htm I was so happy with it that I purchased two units more for the future use. T= he main advantage: the controlling program of the unit can be easily changed= . In other words, the DDS now does EXACTLY what I need: http://ok1fig.nagano.cz/UC5695/MenuSystem.htm 73, Petr, OK1FIG ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:25 PM Subject: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit , better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working even better ! Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device=20 Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master=20 oscillator for tx=20 Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) Tnx- Graham .=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C9D3AD.2256B300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Graham,

I use DDSv4:

http://www.rmt-tech.com/Products.html

I use it in my up-converter:

http://ok1fig.nagano.cz/UC5695/Uc5695.htm

I was so happy with it that I purchased two= units=20 more for the future use. The main advantage: the controlling program of the=20= unit=20 can be easily changed. In other words, the DDS now does EXACTLY what I=20 need:

http://ok1fig.nagano.cz/UC5695/MenuSystem.htm

73, Petr, OK1FIG

----- Original Message -----

Graham

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:25=20 PM

Subject: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any i= deas /=20 for sale etc ?

Looking for a low freq= uency ,=20 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit ,

better a part complete= d=20 kit would be better ...second hand working

even better !

Ideal would be a box w= ith a=20 frequency display and a key pad to

enter the freque= ncy ,=20 preferable to a pc addressed device

Couple of volts sine w= ave out=20 , nothing fancy , simple master

oscillator for&n= bsp; tx=20

Any ideas or&nbs= p; links=20 (any for sale ?)

Tnx- Graham .=20
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Many thanx Henny for this second contact with you.

Happy to see you next time dear.

F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP
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-0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4eGv-0007ni-KJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:59:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4eGv-0007nZ-5n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:59:05 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4eGt-00018i-9b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:59:05 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C96377000089 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:58:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.3.78]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 898EE7000088 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:58:57 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090514165857563.898EE7000088@mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905130629q408f0128yfe5356c77bbe084e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70905130629q408f0128yfe5356c77bbe084e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:58:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Warren, The only info I can find is in German .. if this is the same device, did=20 you have a english handbook ? from the photo. it looks like the on screen=20 display is in english ? slight problem if its not ! G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Ziegler" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:29 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: AW: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? > > Graham, Gerhard, > > This is EXACTLY the dds that I used and observed considerable > temperature drift when operating QRSS 60 on 137 kHz. > > --=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Beckmann, Gerhard > wrote: >> Hello Graham, >> >> >> >> the DDS-Oscillator under this link may partial meet your requirements=20= =85 >> >> >> >> http://www.box73.de/catalog/pdf/FA0407_694-695.pdf?osCsid=3D983aae56f383b >> >> >> >> 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI >> >> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 23:25 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? >> >> >> >> >> >> Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit , >> >> better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working >> >> even better ! >> >> >> >> Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to >> >> enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device >> >> >> >> Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master >> >> oscillator for tx >> >> >> >> Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) >> >> >> >> Tnx- Graham . > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2110 - Release Date: 05/12/09= =20 > 06:22:00 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB054-abb4a1db047228; 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Wed, 27 May 2009 23:26:49 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Cc: "'Gus'" References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com> <833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> <20090513225952.e2nk4cqpm9kwokc4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> <1M4N5H-0fEEds0@fwd03.t-online.de> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:26:59 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnUHh16elKmHQGuSsi0CnFxN4p1IgK8ycQg In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Gus, LF Your SSB-signal is coming up now with 349, but strong QRN; Your CW-signal is solid readable now!!! vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) ===================================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD022-92b49ff5c3a365; Mon, 04 May 2009 17:21:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD103-92b49ff5c3a365; Mon, 04 May 2009 17:20:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M15Zz-0007Nx-N6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:20:03 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M15Zz-0007No-9i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:20:03 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M15Zx-0003YG-F0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:20:03 +0100 X-Trace: 190086330/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuIEAN/4/klYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKIcVhBDAQweDdgU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,293,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="190086330" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 04 May 2009 22:18:58 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:18:58 +0100 Message-ID: <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnM9Xd1QU9t7mqXS86EW/gCQnePXwACChfQ X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Rik, This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & locator :- RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: rtty test dear all, I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC Reports and/or reply welcome. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB021-d404a01fe19159; 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Wed, 6 May 2009 23:14:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 33E435C4F; Wed, 6 May 2009 23:15:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 69.175-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (69.175-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.240.175.69]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 06 May 2009 23:15:00 +0200 Message-ID: <20090506231500.u5bmu3subydwokw0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 23:15:00 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425><20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be><004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.240.175.69 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, my signal is now even gone on the YXM grabber. Poor propagation tonight. I am going QRT now. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Rik, > > You signal not as strong tonight so far. > > Gary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 06 May 2009 21:40 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Gary, Gerhard, > > right now (20:35 UTC) I can see traces of my signal on the G3YXM > grabber and strong signals from Gary. > > 73, Rik > > on the > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > >> Hi Rik & Gerhard, >> >> When Rik makes his CQ call I will attempt to make a 2 way contact using > the >> same settings. >> >> Any reports will be welcome. >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> Sent: 06 May 2009 21:04 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 >> minutes. >> Same mode as yesterday. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. >>> Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY > test >>> transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward >> to >>> verify a new mode. >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Hello Gerhard, >>> >>> I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC >>> Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) >>> >>> 73, Rik >>> >>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Rik, >>>> >>>> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one >>> more >>>> chance for decoding.... >>>> >>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Hello Gerhard, >>>> >>>> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello Rik, >>>>> >>>>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>>>> >>>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>>>> >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>>>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>>>> and listen inbetween. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>>>> >>>>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer >> transmissions. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>> >>>>>>> OK Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to >>> monitor, >>>>> I >>>>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50H= z >>>>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>>>> The way I did it: >>>>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to >> FIR >>>>> BPF >>>>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click > "OK" >>>>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>>>> needs >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got >> the >>>>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your >> spec. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us >>> using >>>>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better >> decode >>>>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik > Strobbe >>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong fo= r >>>>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any furthe= r >>>>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the >>> colors >>>>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. >> 100Hz >>>>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign=20= & >>>>>>> locator >>>>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik >> Strobbe >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 > at >>>>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME054-9a849ff738d329; 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Tue, 5 May 2009 00:59:34 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090504225934847.CED4F7000081@mwinf3626.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8bf118410905040810m1fb41016pab9a1c0a7c79bf06@mail.gmail.com> <106017.93017.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <109DCE3D58BE4C3DAD93CFE7859DA29B@AGB> <797428.43044.qm@web28503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <797428.43044.qm@web28503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 23:59:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0116_01C9CD14.5F689820" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0116_01C9CD14.5F689820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Chris, Is this the cct ? http://wireless.org.uk/fig2.jpg I can only think that something in the tuned cct is a little heat sensitive= ? , how high is the 'q' the back to back diodes could be temperature sens= itive ? what material is the coil former ? some plastics are very temperature unsta= ble , could the former be expanding ?=20 Was temperature stability tested on the original design .. if so is the lev= el scalable with frequency , 100 @ 100K 500 @ 500K , that sort of thin= g ?=20 G ..=20 From: Chris Osborn=20 Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:31 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed No Graham, I can swap a flat battery with a new one and the output hardly moves. Yes the oscillator and RF stages are regulated and holding constant. The problem's before the mixer. As advised, I disconnected the RF stage and injected a signal into the mixer and it gives a constant output even with a blow heater playing on the=20= insides. 73 Chris XIZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, 4 May, 2009 21:31:37 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Chris Its not the battery is it ... assume the supply voltage / regulated volta= ge is holding constant ? G ..=20 From: Chris Osborn=20 Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:23 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Thanks again Dave and Alan, I've spent a few more hours on the F/S meter today and still have not found=20= the problem. I can blow with a drinking straw on any component and there's very little output change yet with time there's a slow drift with temperature - the outp= ut goes up with increased temperature. I thought I'd found the problem as by squeezing the ferrite rod 's screening= tube I could get a fair change in the output (about 10 %). The tube's metal is not aluminium but I guess an aluminium alloy. In any case I changed it for a proper aluminium tube - no difference ! >From the shack's temperature of 23 degrees and taking the F/S meter outside= to an ambient=20 13 degrees the meter's output changed from 0.48 volts to 0.35 volts !! I have run out of ideas now and am thinking maybe it's even the permeability= of the die cast box that's changing or maybe the perspex end caps of the ferrite rod. . . . I'm=20= getting desperate ! 73 Chris G3XIZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, 4 May, 2009 16:10:26 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Chris Have you tried a can of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies?=20= Is it the ferrite aerial or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain= then a little negative feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-deco= upled source resistor. Dave 'YXM 2009/5/3 Chris Osborn LF, I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook= ), modified for use on the 500 kHz band. I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering availa= ble components, the differences being: a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published varicap= s. b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the publi= shed LW coil. I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field ye= t the=20 field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and= can vary up to 30 %. I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've spe= nt hours trying to correct it. 73 Chris G3XIZ --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Ok Chris,

Is this the cct ?

http://wireless.org.uk/fig2.jpg

I can only think that something in th= e tuned=20 cct is a little heat sensitive ? , how high is the 'q' the back to&nbs= p;=20 back diodes could be temperature sensitive ?

what material is the coil former ? so= me=20 plastics are very temperature unstable , could the former be expanding ?=20

Was temperature stability tested on the&nbs= p;=20 original design .. if so is the level scalable with frequency , 100&nb= sp;=20 @ 100K   500 @ 500K , that sort of thing ?=20

G ..

From: Chris Osborn

Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:31 PM

To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

No Graham,

I can swap a flat battery with a new one and the outp= ut=20 hardly moves.
Yes the oscillator and RF stages are regulated and holding=20 constant.

The problem's before the mixer.
As advised, I=20 disconnected the RF stage and injected a signal into the
mixer and it giv= es a=20 constant output even with a blow heater playing on the insides.

73 Ch= ris=20 XIZ

From: Graham=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To= :=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent:= Monday, 4 May, 2009=20 21:31:37
Subject: Re: LF:= Field=20 Strength Meter - advice needed

Chris

Its not the battery is it ... assume=20 the supply voltage / regulated voltage is holding =20 constant ?

G ..

From: C= hris Osborn=20

Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:23 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

Thanks again Dave and Alan,

I've spent a few more hours on the F= /S=20 meter today and still have not found the problem.
I can blow with a drink= ing=20 straw on any component and= =20 there's very little
output change yet with time there's a slow drift with= =20 temperature - the output goes up
with increased temperature.

I tho= ught=20 I'd found the problem as by squeezing the ferrite rod 's screening tube
I= =20 could get a fair change in the output (about 10 %).
The tube's metal is n= ot=20 aluminium but I guess an aluminium alloy.
In any case I changed it for a=20 proper aluminium tube - no difference !

From the shack's temperature=20 of 23 degrees and taking the F/S meter outside to an ambient
13=20 degrees the meter's output changed from 0.48 volts to 0.35 volts=20 !!

I have run out of ideas now and am thinking maybe it's even the=20 permeability of the die cast box
that's changing or maybe the perspex end= =20 caps of the ferrite rod. . . . I'm getting desperate !

73 Chris=20 G3XIZ

From: Dave Pick=20 <daveyxm@googlemail.com>
To:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent:= Monday, 4 May, 2009=20 16:10:26
Subject: Re: LF:= Field=20 Strength Meter - advice needed

Chris

Have you tried a c= an=20 of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies? Is it the ferrite aer= ial=20 or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain then a little negative=20 feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-decoupled source=20 resistor.

Dave 'YXM

2009/5/3 Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>

LF,

I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF=20 Experimenters' Handbook),
modified for use on the 500 kHz band.

= I've=20 followed the published circuit as near as possible considering available=20 components,
the differences being:
a) I have used a small variable=20 capacitor instead of the published varicaps.
b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in= the=20 front end instead of dual gate mosfets.
c) Obviously I now use the MW c= oil=20 of the ferrite rod instead of the published LW coil.

I have made a=20 decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet the
fiel= d=20 strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and can v= ary=20 up to
30 %.

I would be most grateful for any advice on curing th= is=20 problem as I've spent hours trying
to correct it.

73 Chris=20 G3XIZ

--
G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

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------=_NextPart_000_0116_01C9CD14.5F689820-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db05.mx.aol.com (rly-db05.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.80]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB074-ac84a11ba7725; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:43:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB056-ac84a11ba7725; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:43:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M68je-0001Ja-Ea for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M68je-0001JR-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:54 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr13.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.131]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M68jb-0004r7-Qk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:53 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-158-34-1.range86-158.btcentralplus.com [86.158.34.1]) by c2bthomr13.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DBS07441; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:46 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:51 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr13.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0201.4A11BA36.00B4,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Beacon - 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I heard someone beaconing on 501.1kHz at 2030 local tonight. Just too weak to make out the call. Got "test" and QSK before they stopped. My beacon is on 501.8 now. Any recommended transverter designs for LF? 73 Richard G3CWI - From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB071-acb4a089f5ad9; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:57:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB061-acb4a089f5ad9; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:57:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dUp-00075T-Kk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:57:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dUp-00075K-5k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:57:15 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3dUm-0006ls-RB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:57:15 +0100 thread-index: AcnSg2yrYzUTmOu1Q92i7Efx60Xl/Q== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:57:05 +0100 Message-ID: <70D21345D07D4133A2ADFD6BD3CB3CC3@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> <6D1C191EA94A411EBE76070137DF884E@AGB> In-Reply-To: <6D1C191EA94A411EBE76070137DF884E@AGB> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:57:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C9D294.2EBD4B00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C9D294.2EBD4B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, FB report, thank's info! Are your antenna tuned to qrg ? Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:51 PM Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Gus, Good signal , 5/9 & 599 , just on the 38 ft vertical and the ft897-d no= atu=20 73 Graham G0NBD IO83LK From: Gus=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09= 07:02:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C9D294.2EBD4B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham,

FB report, thank's=20 info!

Are your antenna tuned to qrg=20 ?

Gus

----- Original Message -----

Graham

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:51 PM=

Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon

Gus,

Good signal , 5/9 & 599   ,= just on=20 the 38 ft vertical and the ft897-d no atu

73 Graham

G0NBD

IO83LK

From: Gus

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5=20= kHz=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW= id=20 include....

Reports are wellcome.=

73 de Gus SM6BHZ

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Hi Warren,Lf

nice capture XGJ

Henny pa3cpm

best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 19-05.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C9D547.95FB2BB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (rly-mf08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.178]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF073-9794a00b4368f; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:53:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF087-9794a00b4368f; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:48:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1SUQ-00044b-9s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:47:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1SUP-00044S-O6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:47:49 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1SUO-00031M-EK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:47:49 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6C87B8051 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 23:47:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB8131E702 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 23:47:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A646A5BDD; Tue, 5 May 2009 23:47:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.65.71.240]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 23:47:05 +0200 Message-ID: <20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 23:47:05 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.65.71.240 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gerhard, I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) 73, Rik Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > > Hello Rik, > > I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one mor= e > chance for decoding.... > > Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> >> Hello Rik, >> >> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >> and listen inbetween. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >> >>> Hello Gary, LF, >>> >>> I just had a first transmission. >>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>> >>>> OK Rik, >>>> >>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor= , >> I >>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the info. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Gary, LF, >>>> >>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>> The way I did it: >>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR >> BPF >>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>> do that in the main screen. >>>> >>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>> >>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>> >>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>> >>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >> needs >>>> to >>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>> >>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us usin= g >>>> 85Hz. >>>>>> >>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>> >>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the color= s >>>>>> and options. >>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>> locator >>>>>>> :- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>>> 21UTC >>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD052-9184a0da2c6220; Fri, 15 May 2009 13:14:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD078-9184a0da2c6220; Fri, 15 May 2009 13:13:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M50xf-0007xD-Iu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:12:43 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M50xf-0007x4-5W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:12:43 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M50xd-0003jX-2O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:12:43 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUEAMc+DUpZ8IaW/2dsb2JhbACET8w0gkKBPwU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.134.150]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 18:11:33 +0100 Message-ID: <005301c9d580$32b8ecc0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:11:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Aerial current Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard. A couple of basic points. Check the TX output into a 50 ohm DL via a SWR meter to verify a match, and if necessary check rf current. Resonate the antenna to the reqd freq and with your atu match it to50 ohms. If both are spot on then you have achieved the object, at least you have a bench mark. If coax is suspect check it also. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: LF: Aerial current > After my success in getting more current into the aerial yesterday I > decided to measure the RF current in the link (link coupled ATU) with a > proper RF ammeter. I was somewhat surprised that the current pinned my 1 > Amp RF meter. How can that be? I can think of some possible reasons: > > 1) The meter is wrong (it must be nearly 70 years old) > 2) The impedance is not 50 Ohms which is odd because I assume the TX is > designed to have a 50 Ohm output and I carefully adjusted the link for > maximum power transfer last night). > 3) The transmitter is giving out far more power than expected (seems > unlikely). > > Any ideas? > > Incidentally, am I best to measure current in the link or in the aerail > wire? > > 73 > > Richard > > PS - beacon on again 501.6kHz. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.30/2115 - Release Date: 05/14/09 17:54:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (rly-mc12.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.96]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC023-da949fc25713cd; Sat, 02 May 2009 06:50:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC121-da949fc25713cd; Sat, 02 May 2009 06:50:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0Cmx-0006Xo-Rd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 11:49:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0Cmx-0006Xf-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 11:49:47 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s25.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.36]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0Cmu-0002mi-Al for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 11:49:47 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W30 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 May 2009 03:49:38 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [117.12.236.125] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 02:49:38 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70905020326j5f95c90bqaafb265762b760c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <57a24ca70905020326j5f95c90bqaafb265762b760c5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2009 10:49:38.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0DAB470:01C9CB13] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8ef954fe-b6d4-4e99-8e9f-c90960972b0c_" Subject: RE: LF: Japan X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_8ef954fe-b6d4-4e99-8e9f-c90960972b0c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I make it 2.1! =20 > Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 06:26:09 -0400 > From: wd2xgj@gmail.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Japan >=20 > Laurence, >=20 > Cool! Never heard anything about any Japanese activity or > interest in LF/MF - be interested to see if anyone gets on. > Glad to hear that they got 3.1kHz rather than the mere 2.1 kHz the > rest of the world has. > --=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 >=20 >=20 > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China > wrote: > > From 7L1RLL "A new 3.1KHz band width from 135.7KHz to 137.8KHz is assign= ed > > for amateur radio in Japan since March 30 2009." > > Either CW or narrow band width data transmition less than 100Hz shall be > > used in the new band" > > ________________________________ > > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. See how. >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutor= ial_Storage1_052009=3D --_8ef954fe-b6d4-4e99-8e9f-c90960972b0c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I make it 2.1!

> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 06:26:09 -0400
>= ; From: wd2xgj@gmail.com
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Su= bject: Re: LF: Japan
>
> Laurence,
>
> Cool! Never= heard anything about any Japanese activity or
> interest in LF/MF - b= e interested to see if anyone gets on.
> Glad to hear that they got 3.= 1kHz rather than the mere 2.1 kHz the
> rest of the world has.
>= --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB= /2
> WE2XGR/1
>
>
> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:07 AM= , Laurence BY3A-KL1X China
> <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com> wr= ote:
> > From 7L1RLL "A new 3.1KHz band width from 135.7KHz to 137.= 8KHz is assigned
> > for amateur radio in Japan since March 30 2009= ."
> > Either CW or narrow band width data transmition less than 10= 0Hz shall be
> > used in the new band"
> > _______________= _________________
> > Insert movie times and more without leaving H= otmail=AE. See how.
>

Hotmail=AE has ever-growing stor= age! Don=92t worry about storage limits. Check it out. =3D --_8ef954fe-b6d4-4e99-8e9f-c90960972b0c_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME091-9b84a049be629b; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:54:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME054-9b84a049be629b; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:54:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2X4Y-000785-0I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:53:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2X4X-00077w-JB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:53:33 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2X4U-0000bK-RN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:53:33 +0100 X-Trace: 192065263/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtgEAIs4BEpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTIMOgQjCMweDdgU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,319,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="192065263" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 08 May 2009 21:53:26 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> <00b101c9d01b$bbd34790$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:53:26 +0100 Message-ID: <00bc01c9d01f$09a23a00$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnQHOli67wfsckpSaiwRrmSAXQnEAAAfAkA X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Lee, LF, Got your call to Graham OK. g0nbd g0nbd de M0LMH M0LMH M0LMH kn Graham is in beacon mode & may not be watching the screen! Gary - G4WGT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 08 May 2009 21:35 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Ok Gary Ive never used this mode , but looks like a good narrow system , would go via most cw filters ? may of seen it on 160 ? G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary - G4WGT" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:29 PM To: Subject: RE: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > Graham, LF, > > It looks a little over the 100Hz bandwidth, viewing using Fldigi & SpecLab > it looks to 120Hz. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham > Sent: 08 May 2009 21:10 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > > Ok Gary , > > What do you make the BW ? looks to be just 100 Hz close in > > ? > > Tnx - G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gary - G4WGT" > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:59 PM > To: > Subject: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > >> >> Hi Graham, LF, >> >> Coming in here no problem. >> >> CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham >> Sent: 08 May 2009 20:05 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent >> >> >> Narrow , MFSK 4 running 503.000 cent freq >> >> tx set 502.000 usb / 1000 hz audio cent >> >> FLDIGI software >> >> 100 Hz bw ? how wide do you make it ? >> >> tnx- Graham >> >> G0NBD >> >> IO83LK >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2103 - Release Date: >> 05/07/09 > >> 18:05:00 >> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 > 11:43:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de01.mx.aol.com (rly-de01.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.137]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE022-4b34a0b3d57365; 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------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C9E096.86841890-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-ab649fe987bc3; Mon, 04 May 2009 03:26:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB034-ab649fe987bc3; Mon, 04 May 2009 03:25:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0sX7-0005Xv-M1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:24:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0sX6-0005Xm-M0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:24:12 +0100 Received: from web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([87.248.110.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0sX6-0002P7-1w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:24:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 9675 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2009 07:23:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1241421786; bh=yFzKZgOVI0WmKQI/LEZUPD5vq5T6rDqbYgaCs9l50y4=; h=Message-ID:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Wenm9Lv0D0ttkr1ACg4habfGYtwuZAy9YGYebFpGk+aRrVQ4ItxhUKGdzgVL8VcPdviUdhT01d4ikSYLySxNKXdg0YxUHM/skwLrxU9KjwH6T1LkiLsSmwxglQozPuoqNaNtSy9Z4AhmIoImtom3Vaj+rr3V3fWWm9Qa+vleCu8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6H2rVKRdEu+X/1ynq+++oK+JFIbdFqtH4FcvUidewzYycVP3TDsc7f3K2ChSr51vNkmJEDsc3arvZMmr2f2lSTzwoOKB4fL2NxiQmG4ezh92ts/6LNJde+oybpP7uGXojbGsPGDODQJMBBdvg3H6komrGaXFb9S25c+GXB4HV4g=; Message-ID: <341055.8010.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.6.43.68] by web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 May 2009 07:23:06 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <008001c9cc2c$084162e0$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 07:23:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Osborn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <008001c9cc2c$084162e0$0900a8c0@AM> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1256213526-1241421786=:8010" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m239.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1256213526-1241421786=:8010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many thanks for the prompt suggestions Alan. I've spent ages trying to sort the problem and have now run out of ideas. I completely rebuilt the unit, even using a new ferrite rod. The front end tuning was very sharp and I subsequently added another=20 RF tuning control (varicap + pot) to peak it up as it drifted. Also I've placed a 220 k resistor across the tuned circuit to lower the Q and flatten the response. I did the usual trick of blowing with a drinking straw on various components and the front end capacitors seemed to be the culprits hence the added RF amp tuning control. I'll try a BF981 as you suggest and also disconnect the front end and inject= a signal. I'll hunt around for a BF960 as shown in the original circuit. Thanks again es 73 Chris XIZ ________________________________ From: Alan Melia To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, 3 May, 2009 21:00:26 Subject: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Hi Chris the following things occur to me to try 1 the 2N3819 is a juction fet not a mosfet (as with Dick original design) so is probably more likely to show changes in input (gate-source) current with temperature. The input current of a mostfet will be negligable. I cant remember what the original device was but if a 40673 for instance try a BF981 which are readily available. 2 At a lower level of probability the permiability of ferrite changes with temperature. I would not that to be anything like so great as problem though. I hope that helps to solve the problem. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Osborn" To: "LF Group" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed LF, I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook), modified for use on the 500 kHz band. I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering available components, the differences being: a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published varicaps. b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the published LW coil. I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet the field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and can vary up to 30 %. I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've spent hours trying to correct it. 73 Chris G3XIZ =20 --0-1256213526-1241421786=:8010 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Many thanks for the prompt suggestions Alan.
I've spent a= ges trying to sort the problem and have now run out of ideas.
I completely rebuilt the unit, even=20= using a new ferrite rod.

The front end tuning was very sharp and I su= bsequently added another
RF tuning control (varicap + pot) to peak it up= as it drifted.
Also I've placed a 220 k resistor across the tuned circui= t to lower the Q
and flatten the response.

I did the usual trick o= f blowing with a drinking straw on various components
and the front end c= apacitors seemed to be the culprits hence the added
RF amp tuning control= .

I'll try a BF981 as you suggest and also disconnect the front end a= nd inject a signal.
I'll hunt around for a BF960 as shown in the original circuit.

Thanks again es 73

Chris XIZ

From: Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.co= m>
To: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org
Sent: Sun= day, 3 May, 2009 21:00:26
Subject:<= /span> LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

Hi Chr= is the following things occur to me to try
1 the 2N3819 is a juction fet=20= not a mosfet (as with Dick original design) so
is probably more likely to= show changes in input (gate-source) current with
temperature. The input=20= current of a mostfet will be negligable. I cant
remember what the original device was but if a 40673 for instance try a
BF981 which are re= adily available.

2 At a lower level of probability the permiability o= f ferrite changes with
temperature. I would not that to be anything like=20= so great as problem
though.

I hope that helps to solve the problem= .

Alan G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Osborn"=20= <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "LF Group" <rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM
Subj= ect: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

LF,

I've jus= t rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook),
modi= fied for use on the 500 kHz band.

I've followed the published circuit= as near as possible considering
available components,
the differences being:
a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of=20= the published varicaps.
b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead=20= of dual gate mosfets.
c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite r= od instead of the
published LW coil.

I have made a decent Helmholt= z coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet
the
field strength mete= r's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and
can vary up to30 %.

I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem= as I've spent
hours trying
to correct it.

73 Chris G3XIZ

--0-1256213526-1241421786=:8010-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB032-af14a13e0b0305; Wed, 20 May 2009 06:51:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB107-af14a13e0b0305; Wed, 20 May 2009 06:51:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6jMt-0000oA-RB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 11:49:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6jMt-0000o1-HW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 11:49:51 +0100 Received: from simone.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.77]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6jMp-00007C-VH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 11:49:50 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by simone.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4KAnafH027527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:19:39 -0230 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:19:36 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1B0A986B3D4145A59DB8C62900192872@JimPC> Message-ID: References: <1B0A986B3D4145A59DB8C62900192872@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ 20/5/09 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Fair to good copy here across the pond in Canada. 73 Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD064-8eb4a19065994; Sun, 24 May 2009 04:33:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD023-8eb4a19065994; Sun, 24 May 2009 04:33:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8981-0006rO-Sv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:32:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8981-0006rF-A8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:32:21 +0100 Received: from xsmtp19.mail2web.com ([168.144.250.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M897z-0006fU-Di for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:32:20 +0100 Received: from [168.144.108.15] (helo=M2W015.mail2web.com) by xsmtp19.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M897s-0004kW-QM; Sun, 24 May 2009 04:32:14 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22009502483212809@M2W015.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 217.67.146.136 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "john.rabson@wanadoo.fr" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 04:32:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: DK7SU and F6BWO X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) At 0827z today: F6BWO 30dB over static. 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domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal, http://www.armspower.com/Products/Powerware/Powerware9Prestige/Powerware9Prestige%20User%27s%20Guide,%20600-1800VA.pdf -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM, mal hamilton wrote: > UPS unit > POWERWARE PRESTIGE EXT 1800P2HVSE > Tech manual or any info appreciated > tnx mal/g3kev > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG052-5fd4a01f52d3aa; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:38:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG108-5fd4a01f52d3aa; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:38:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1nrJ-0007q5-1D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:36:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1nrI-0007pw-BX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, on waterfall signal is nice visible, but no decoding until yet.. vy 73, Gerhard =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2009 22:04 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Hello Gerhard, tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 minutes. Same mode as yesterday. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > Hello Rik, > > Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. > Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY test > transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward to > verify a new mode. > > Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC > Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) > > 73, Rik > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> >> >> Hello Rik, >> >> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one > more >> chance for decoding.... >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>> and listen inbetween. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>> >>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>> >>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>> >>>>> OK Rik, >>>>> >>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to > monitor, >>> I >>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>> >>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>> The way I did it: >>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR >>> BPF >>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>> >>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>> >>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>> >>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>> needs >>>>> to >>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us > using >>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the > colors >>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>>> locator >>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (rly-mf06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.176]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF104-9644a0b38d4c8; 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Wed, 13 May 2009 23:16:28 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2><010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com><833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> <20090513225952.e2nk4cqpm9kwokc4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:16:26 +0200 Message-ID: <51B7F2FA87A84383BB1A2166E4DF2A02@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> Thread-Index: AcnUDopPC7mMlgUsQaSOJ1wiF2mEKwAAVYZg X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Gus, Also solid copy (56) in JN59LN Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2009 23:05 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB Rik, thank's report. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB > Gus, >=20 > solid 57 signal here tonight >=20 > 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T >=20 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF042-53d49ff66bc1ad; Mon, 04 May 2009 18:05:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF036-53d49ff66bc1ad; Mon, 04 May 2009 18:05:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M16Ha-0007r8-Kz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:05:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M16Ha-0007qz-9I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:05:06 +0100 Received: from mhost03c.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.76.167]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M16HX-0004Jy-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:05:05 +0100 Received: from APOLLO1.ds.leeds.ac.uk (apollo1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.5.4]) by mhost03c.leeds.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n44LvRwS000427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:57:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([fe80::39ce:23e:d0b5:7e24]) by APOLLO1.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.5.4]) with mapi; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:57:27 +0100 From: Chris Trayner To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:57:26 +0100 Thread-Topic: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Thread-Index: AcnME/viiC8EuiHYQ0WmpClnaw6UaQA7ozT6 Message-ID: <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11229299ACD@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk> References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Chris, You've probably thought of these, but just in case: > I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field ye= t the field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and c= an vary up to 30 %. Is the Helmholtz coil getting a constant voltage from the sig gen, or whatev= er powers it? That's not temp-sensitive, is it? If you're attenuating the sig gen signal a lot to feed a weak signal to the=20= Helmholtz coil, is the attenuator the problem? Is there any other, unintended signal coupling (e.g. capacitive) from your s= ource of test signal to the field strength meter? Is there any other source of RF you can test it on, e.g. re-tune it to some=20= broadcast signal? 73, Chris G4OKW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-adb4a03527e32b; Thu, 07 May 2009 17:28:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB081-adb4a03527e32b; Thu, 07 May 2009 17:28:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2B81-0003AP-IK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:27:41 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2B80-0003AG-VC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:27:41 +0100 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2B7z-0007oG-6l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:27:40 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.18] (helo=8.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #88) id 1M2B6z-00054N-8g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 23:26:37 +0200 Received: from w115d.w.pppool.de ([89.58.17.93]:1251 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 8.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M2B6y-0004Xy-Uq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 23:26:37 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425><20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be><004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus><20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be><004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506225829.1vrsvh9ozjwcwog8@webmail 4.kuleuven.be><351E24E134154160986CF3C5CC07321A@2a2d7ed321c6425><20090507152132.C17FE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <20090507225725.232kpy3wuaa5a8wc@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 23:26:38 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090507225725.232kpy3wuaa5a8wc@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnPVuyTSVUVC+9tSX+bPHkg6F7aSAAA1pDQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: LF: AW: FM-Hell Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, last transmission had some QSB and QRM. Decoded only following fragments... CQ CQ CQ OR7T OR7T OR(T PSE K Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI (JN59LN) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 22:57 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: AW: FM-Hell Hello Gerhard, thanks for the report. MultiPsk can receive (and transmit) FM-Hell At 21:20 UTC I will change from FM-Hell to RTTY (50Hz shift / 23Bd as =20 last night). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > Hello Rik, > > nice visible signal on waterfall at 20:40; > Signal was also clear audible!!!!! > > Sri, I don't have installed a FM-Hell decoder; > > Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI (JN59LN) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 17:22 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: FM-Hell > > Dear all, > > I will do some FM-Hell transmissions tonight on 503.5kHz from 20:30 > UTC til 21:20 UTC starting every 10 minutes. > Between transmissions I will "listen" on the same frequency. > Report are welcome. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de09.mx.aol.com (rly-de09.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.145]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE012-5014a073b67282; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:39:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE096-5014a073b67282; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:39:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Fn3-0001YR-T0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:38:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Fn3-0001YI-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:38:29 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3Fn0-00027H-Qf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:38:28 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3621.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EAA297000082 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:38:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3621.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id AF9897000081 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:38:21 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510203821719.AF9897000081@mwinf3621.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> In-Reply-To: <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:38:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 All Getting reports of a qrss cw signal on 502.7 , if this is causing problems , I can qsy hf if needed hope the test is useful Tnx- Graham -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:51 PM To: Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream > same text , 60 sec repeat .. > > > PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz = 503.20k cent rf > > MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz = 503,00k cent rf > > ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz = 502.70 k cent rf > > > Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' > lock > up time ? > > Graham > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Graham" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM > To: > Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > >> >> All, >> >> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >> >> G .. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Graham" >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >> To: >> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >> >>> >>> All >>> >>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>> >>> Tx set >>> >>> Dial 501.000 >>> mode usb >>> >>> FLDIGI software >> >> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>> >>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>> >>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>> >>> Power 40 watts per stream >>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>> >>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>> >>> Reports welcome >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>> 05/09/09 >>> 06:54:00 >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >> 05/09/09 >> 06:54:00 >> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF044-5514a0754fc267; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:28:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF056-5514a0754fc267; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:28:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3HUf-0002l4-IF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:27:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3HUf-0002kv-5A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:27:37 +0100 Received: from smtp800.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.60]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3HUd-0001xs-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:27:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 92666 invoked from network); 10 May 2009 22:27:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=oqkV+iehholPW2QJvmffjH9wXoF1dvyaxilQsj24e+yXfclm4Ie/9SdoBcOUdIY7d5XpOY983WlqXprZ9/sJKFdBt0hZ+hWlRyTKUxzDGuzs7w02QrSHIJ6bKea6UnA9DCXdOjqHu6PcRr5i/szF5lAg8jiC/+h6Ku9pOAPzhyY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.106.68 with login) by smtp800.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2009 22:27:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xymg3nMVM1lgxC8_vygXVKm6q5zfY1OUc0PVkx8caxLfaX_XbGR6XESScHsCQtR5yap5C_j3Ikyz_d065JhRfZR9LbNZa1LoYbiYpIHsDNeIteoGAlbGOhglwfoD730CsYNNP78zya5Of_uf7F94IrPZLwpxw9f2oEDgo57NMgjx5yLvKFP1gjVEaKIYDUGV9OliDcQEuUiwVjIVPbNJGrfZjGrjkjmgSKbgJuthXUcrZl5ztwMuwV0tcPxNsQxa.P2lyI.x_rcU.euPWZOI8_UXE5BtU7Xa X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <1B3950C0CC6641F29CD92B0269A04581@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:27:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: Re: 3 Mode Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Graham, LF Group, Have been watching your test for an hour or so. At the peaks of the fades, all 3 modes decode quite well:- MSK4: CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com ThrobX 2: CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD QSL G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM G0NBD@HOTMAIL.CO PSK31: e C CQ 1Q d0nbd g0nbd g0nbd CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd qsl nbd@hotmail.aom g0nbd@hotmail.com When the signal levels are down, MSK4 seems most robust, with Throb somewhere in the middle:- t�8n� ND CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com 3-LNBD G0NBD G0NBD CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD QSL G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM CQ CQ d g0nId g0e d g0nbd iQ CQ CQ de g0p p .0�wg eet g tloTail.� Watching the decodes, I am seeing that PSK31 is vulnerable to static crashes - each loud burst of QRN corrupts a few characters, while the other modes seem to tolerate this better. This is similar to previous experience. When the QRN is not present, the PSK31 is nearly as good as the other modes. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA044-8b34a09e735140; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:16:51 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA065-8b34a09e735140; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:16:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3zK0-0006QW-5c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:15:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3zJz-0006QN-NO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:15:31 +0100 Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3zJw-0004VW-MK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:15:31 +0100 Received: from DR2 ([71.184.212.10]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJJ0047VV17UURL@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:15:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "dave.riley3" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:15:07 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 acty Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01C9D325.32C4D1A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C9D325.32C4D1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TNX ES 73s C U next year ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 acty Hello Dave Several UK stns active at present around 502.5 daylight, hi speed cw, too=20= early for DX. The trouble at present are the long daylight hours for DX. Middle of night would be best over here but we all asleep by then hi I can hear the usual chorous of EU beacons on 505 day and nite. Sri I cann= ot help at present. Gl with ur DX=20 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dave.riley3=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 acty Mel, Any net call ups on 502 - 7033 broadcast mode?? Picture us here in the new world on a ship and can only get back on 7mc.= hf... Give us a break, will ya... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: LF: 500 acty Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G3CWI and G3KEV all on hi speed CW= . Mal/G3KEV ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/= 09 16:14:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C9D325.32C4D1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
TNX ES 73s

C U next year

----- Original Message -----

mal= =20 hamilton

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:48 PM=

Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 acty

Hello Dave

Several UK stns active at present around=20= 502.5=20 daylight, hi speed cw, too early for DX. The trouble at present are the lo= ng=20 daylight hours for DX.

Middle of night would be best over here b= ut we=20 all asleep by then hi

I can hear the usual chorous of EU beacon= s on 505=20 day and nite. Sri I cannot help at present.

Gl with ur DX

73 mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 dave.riley3

To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:35=20 PM

Subject: LF: Re: 500 acty

Mel, Any net call ups on 502 - 7033 broadcas= t=20 mode??

Picture us here in the new world on a ship a= nd can=20 only get back on 7mc. hf...

Give us a break, will ya...<= /DIV>

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 mal=20 hamilton

To: rs= gb

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:2= 1=20 PM

Subject: LF: 500 acty

Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G= 3CWI and=20 G3KEV all on hi speed CW.

Mal/G3KEV

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Rele= ase=20 Date: 05/11/09 16:14:00
------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C9D325.32C4D1A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB072-abf4a196df2233; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:55:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB045-abf4a196df2233; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:55:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8G2P-0008La-KV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:55:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8G2P-0008LR-6w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:55:01 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8G2N-0007P4-Al for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:55:01 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsEAO8KGUpZ8+0p/2dsb2JhbACEVMtWhAsF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.243.237.41]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 16:54:52 +0100 Message-ID: <007401c9dc87$f9ab7970$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> <14D90153B05D421EB30356D325877C2D@JimPC> <4A196840.1090803@btconnect.com> <006b01c9dc87$0e4be3c0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:54:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 PS or even start a VOLCANO !!!!!!! Stay at home Richard !! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: First Portable Trip > Don't risk it. > You might set the heather on FIRE !!!! > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Newstead" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: First Portable Trip > > >> Dear all >> >> Someone has suggested running a sloping wire down a cliff and top >> feeding it. This is an interesting idea. Extending on that idea, if the >> lower end of the wire was connected to some radials and the upper ends >> was fed against earth might that work? Instead of a capacity hat it >> would perhaps be a capacity bottom antenna. Setting up such a system >> could be hard though. I have not abseiled in a long time. >> >> 73 >> >> Richard >> G3CWI >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 > 07:00:00 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 07:00:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD034-8fa4a13baca2c4; Wed, 20 May 2009 04:10:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD042-8fa4a13baca2c4; Wed, 20 May 2009 04:09:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6grM-0000EX-QI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:09:08 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6grM-0000EO-5U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:09:08 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s30.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.41]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6grH-00088A-Tg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:09:07 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W23 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s30.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 May 2009 01:08:52 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [60.27.207.152] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 00:08:52 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2009 08:08:52.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[36B448B0:01C9D922] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_9439fc83-8846-42ea-afbd-90c2708486e3_" Subject: LF: SAQ bleg X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_9439fc83-8846-42ea-afbd-90c2708486e3_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_72b136ba-b8cb-4e99-8067-6eb48c9e415c_" --_72b136ba-b8cb-4e99-8067-6eb48c9e415c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Well no audio ID but this picked up on the NDB setting - interesting Signals= ceased about 0747z - I didnt get into the house from work (skived off early= ) till just after 0730z, reread the transmission time and was expleting loud= ly when this appeared..=20 Laurence China (local time for capture was around 3.40pm China time) OM89UA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE goes with you.=20 http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori= al_Mobile1_052009=3D --_72b136ba-b8cb-4e99-8067-6eb48c9e415c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well no audio ID but this picked up on the NDB setting - interesting Signals= ceased about 0747z - I didnt get into the house from work (skived off early= ) till just after 0730z, reread the transmission time and was expleting= loudly when this appeared..
Laurence China (local time for capture was around 3.40pm China time)
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<555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090502-0, 05/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RU beacons May 1-2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050309030305020107040205" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------050309030305020107040205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ed RU6LA wrote: > Dear LF enthusiasts! > > I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z, > on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3. > > QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May) > abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical) > QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop) > > Reports welcome > > 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru Hi Ed Received again, may 2 around my midnight. 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6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: IK5ZPV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C9E097.308A8E00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C9E097.308A8E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here 559 but not listening for a CW reply !! g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: LF: IK5ZPV Hello LF! I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV in QRSS3 mode. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zd= e!=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.44/2140 - Release Date: 05/28/09= 18:09:00 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C9E097.308A8E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here 559 but not listening for a CW reply !!<= /DIV>
g3kev

----- Original Message -----

Lubos OK2= BVG=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:21 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: LF: IK5ZPV

Hello LF!
I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV=20= in=20 QRSS3 mode.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde!=20

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.339 / Viru= s=20 Database: 270.12.44/2140 - Release Date: 05/28/09=20 18:09:00
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C9E097.308A8E00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-aa54a09104a87; Tue, 12 May 2009 01:59:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB013-aa54a09104a87; Tue, 12 May 2009 01:59:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3l06-000120-Ax for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 06:58:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3l05-00011r-Sx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 06:58:01 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr08.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.186]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3l03-0003KZ-Ly for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 06:58:01 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr08.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CLF10617; Tue, 12 May 2009 06:56:39 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A090F9D.70308@btconnect.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 06:56:45 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> <1M3dxj-1eZn860@fwd10.t-online.de> <5A69E092D3C045358FFC4FAEB5C5C2EC@radiorummet> In-Reply-To: <5A69E092D3C045358FFC4FAEB5C5C2EC@radiorummet> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr08.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0207.4A090F97.016A,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gus wrote: > > > *//* > */I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB./* > */Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include..../* > */Reports are wellcome./* > *//* > */73 de Gus SM6BHZ/* > > > Gus 59 here at 2245z. I could hear another beacon about 100Hz lower than you sending fastish CW and QRSS - any ideas? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB072-ab14a0c4b72135; Thu, 14 May 2009 12:49:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB027-ab14a0c4b72135; Thu, 14 May 2009 12:48:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4e6P-0007bD-Vn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:48:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4e6P-0007b4-JE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:48:13 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4e6L-0000s8-Qh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:48:12 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9F1D5700008A for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:48:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.3.78]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 261897000082 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:47:58 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090514164758156.261897000082@mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <3F715BE823444B3591E5364630602796@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> <006401c9d3f0$729cf2f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A0B0633.4040302@btconnect.com> <007201c9d4a3$7221df30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8bf118410905140842j1abe6f46h464674c2e658aaeb@mail.gmail.com> <4A0C40C9.9060000@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0C40C9.9060000@btconnect.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:47:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rich, No problems , The beacon saga has all ways caused a bit of a spat , or splash as in the mid band one, serious cw takes place round 502 and wspr up at the top end of the band , qrss also tends to be run at the top end to prevent the long tx pulses from blocking other activity's lower down, sometimes the mid band is taken , but once a nice trace has been seen on a remote grabber this usually stops. bit like a budgie and a mirror that sort of thing. Data linear/multi tone normally runs round 503 and rtty fsk 85/23 hz shift round 502.2 when cw/data mode changes are made, due to the equipment being vfo controlled and fsk keyed, a big qsy is not that easy or needed. To date , Andy has the only permit to run a beacon full time , as can be observed on 503.7 and at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html Beacons may be run for extended periods , but are subject to the manned / un manned clauses, interference etc Experimental work, mode comparison that sort of thing tends to run round the middle of the band so as not to interfere with the mode serious normal on going activities towards the band edges. G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:03 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz > > Dave Pick wrote: >> Finbar and Rog run their beacons around 501.3, I don't think you'll >> upset anyone down there! >> > Thanks Dave. Is Finbar's beacon always transmitting or is there some > sort of schedule? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.27/2112 - Release Date: 05/13/09 > 07:04:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD104-b984a09ee63376; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:47:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD092-b984a09ee63376; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:47:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3zo4-0006lS-U8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:46:36 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3zo4-0006lJ-Bc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:46:36 +0100 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3zo1-00082j-Kf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:46:36 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.26] (helo=16.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #91) id 1M3zo0-0005rJ-7s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 23:46:32 +0200 Received: from w0889.w.pppool.de ([89.58.8.137]:1649 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 16.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M3znz-00019P-FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 23:46:32 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:46:28 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcnTSI6U0cEfFnnHQbuKVhWt1te6ggAAhIfg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AW: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01C9D35B.DFBEFC10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C9D35B.DFBEFC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Graham, the DDS-Oscillator under this link may partial meet your requirements . http://www.box73.de/catalog/pdf/FA0407_694-695.pdf?osCsid=983aae56f383b 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI ================================= _____ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 23:25 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit , better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working even better ! Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master oscillator for tx Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) Tnx- Graham . ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C9D35B.DFBEFC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C9D35B.DFBEFC10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-9cc4a0c8d2b2f6; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:29:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME078-9cc4a0c8d2b2f6; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:29:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4iTj-0001un-2S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:28:35 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4iTi-0001ue-HV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:28:34 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.68]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4iTg-0002iK-Bx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:28:34 +0100 Received: (qmail 99495 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 21:28:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=XuPvtgeEEVmjS5E0gxezNWtlJjXU4HB4A1SjuIhTdk2yzQFFvF3rBbFRJ8jJpEHnLU+fGEh4JJqPojrwVchgzc7Gd3IKxH+jSNkO5LkvNXOAL37YIJsPqJuWfj6VwINjY6D4IvTohHWkCITUCUPcLaTDeXLiADwonwwCLmzpi6I= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.9.21 with login) by smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 21:28:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: syUUyi8VM1n_p7OXIRyD6cSM.Igu2Y86QFW4UL7PL5HNGvrNp6v6CzjGQ5vycA1hOQDgPR7iFrSiWNpmYz2s_WZy0.Wi31pK_LgYsHI3tWQeiEs5KiN8pJOzjnxLdW3m0Qqggz7KBzcmi9WVRpWv_VxmZiCC0CmxqaEp0zfKmFgLo3b_2ynXhXCGC63yUtKCmUVn6nZPMrKOuQZyLQXzYQLSqNnloCc7FAS908F3KbVQJ.rP6hjUEF9ZKqKxFvm1rcCRt0R2wkECww0n5nWYWkbdFzNY_3Hz3IaPc82VAUcMR0QB X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <1D2CFF3129F34849B2A8211CF74C08FA@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> <006401c9d3f0$729cf2f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A0B0633.4040302@btconnect.com> <007201c9d4a3$7221df30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8bf118410905140842j1abe6f46h464674c2e658aaeb@mail.gmail.com> <4A0C40C9.9060000@btconnect.com> <3F715BE823444B3591E5364630602796@AGB> In-Reply-To: <3F715BE823444B3591E5364630602796@AGB> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:28:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C9D4E3.4C2C5BD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C9D4E3.4C2C5BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Richard, LF Group, Your beacon is currently peaking at about 559, with the usual deep QSB. It does seem to be stronger than previous days, although the QRN level has also gone down I think. Before dark, it was only detectable as a trace on the spectrogram display, so ground wave would seem to be marginal at 220km with your current power level. For some reason, your VFO frequency seems a little more "wobbly" at the lower frequency, but only about +/-5Hz, so not an issue for CW. I have attached a spectrogram showing about an hour's worth of signal - times are BST. The puce coloured bits of the trace are where it reached an easily copied level. 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<57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d264.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, Be aware that some of the available DDS kits use a non-temperature compensated reference oscillator and may not be suitable for longer duration QRSS work unless you take care to keep them in a constant temp environment. I ran an inexpensive DDS driving my 137kHz transmitter, and you could tell when I turned the thermostat up or down in the hamshack by the direction of drift of my QRSS 60 signals! The worst case was when I had it sitting in a rack above my oscilloscope, you should have seen the drift after using the scope and turning it off! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Graham wrote: > > Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit , > better a part completed kit=A0 would be=A0 better ...second hand working > even better ! > > Ideal would be a box with a frequency=A0 display and a key pad to > enter the=A0 frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device > > Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master > oscillator=A0 for=A0 tx > > Any=A0 ideas or=A0 links (any for=A0 sale ?) > > Tnx- Graham . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD072-b764a0c99ce31a; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:23:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD048-b764a0c99ce31a; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:23:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4jK5-0002eK-4R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:22:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4jK4-0002eB-QH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:22:40 +0100 Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.7]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4jK2-0002u0-J0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:22:40 +0100 Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M4jGz-0002gf-A7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:19:29 +0100 Received: from [84.9.191.203] (helo=d600) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1M4jGB-0007pF-BD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:18:40 +0100 Message-ID: <012a01c9d4e1$ef2f3bb0$1c00a8c0@d600> From: "Mark" To: References: <30FAE8BC34DF4B8695573FED392DE716@JimPC> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 23:18:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: grabber at ISM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Also starting to see traces of a signal on 501.6 on my grabber From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD032-b7e4a0c41073e1; Thu, 14 May 2009 12:04:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD058-b7e4a0c41073e1; Thu, 14 May 2009 12:04:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4dPA-0007Bk-Na for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:03:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4dPA-0007Bb-BV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:03:32 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.187]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4dP5-0000l1-Nv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:03:32 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host81-155-60-146.range81-155.btcentralplus.com [81.155.60.146]) by c2beaomr09.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CKY60624; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:03:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0C40C9.9060000@btconnect.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:03:21 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> <006401c9d3f0$729cf2f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A0B0633.4040302@btconnect.com> <007201c9d4a3$7221df30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8bf118410905140842j1abe6f46h464674c2e658aaeb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bf118410905140842j1abe6f46h464674c2e658aaeb@mail.gmail.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0206.4A0C40CA.00C8,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dave Pick wrote: > Finbar and Rog run their beacons around 501.3, I don't think you'll > upset anyone down there! > Thanks Dave. Is Finbar's beacon always transmitting or is there some sort of schedule? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF061-96c4a049adf244; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:49:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF072-96c4a049adf244; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:49:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2X08-000728-I3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:49:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2X07-00071z-Vg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:48:59 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2X05-0000Xk-DV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:48:59 +0100 X-Trace: 195966650/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtgEAOc2BEpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTIMOgQjCMweDdgU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,319,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="195966650" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 08 May 2009 21:47:56 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> <00b101c9d01b$bbd34790$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:47:56 +0100 Message-ID: <00bb01c9d01e$445ece70$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnQHOli67wfsckpSaiwRrmSAXQnEAAAJJfg X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham, LF, OK, I know I am not far from you but switched in the 500Hz filter & 20db attenuator & still 100 % print. Fldigi is showing -20db upper signal level, -8db SNR & signal range 69db. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 08 May 2009 21:35 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Ok Gary Ive never used this mode , but looks like a good narrow system , would go via most cw filters ? may of seen it on 160 ? G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary - G4WGT" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:29 PM To: Subject: RE: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > Graham, LF, > > It looks a little over the 100Hz bandwidth, viewing using Fldigi & SpecLab > it looks to 120Hz. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham > Sent: 08 May 2009 21:10 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > > Ok Gary , > > What do you make the BW ? looks to be just 100 Hz close in > > ? > > Tnx - G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gary - G4WGT" > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:59 PM > To: > Subject: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > >> >> Hi Graham, LF, >> >> Coming in here no problem. >> >> CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham >> Sent: 08 May 2009 20:05 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent >> >> >> Narrow , MFSK 4 running 503.000 cent freq >> >> tx set 502.000 usb / 1000 hz audio cent >> >> FLDIGI software >> >> 100 Hz bw ? how wide do you make it ? >> >> tnx- Graham >> >> G0NBD >> >> IO83LK >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2103 - Release Date: >> 05/07/09 > >> 18:05:00 >> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 > 11:43:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG014-a0b4a053decc4; Sat, 09 May 2009 04:25:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG045-a0b4a053decc4; Sat, 09 May 2009 04:25:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2hrS-0001BV-Mc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 09:24:46 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2hrS-0001BM-4f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 09:24:46 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f171.google.com ([209.85.218.171]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2hrQ-0004XS-88 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 09:24:46 +0100 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so2294231bwz.4 for ; Sat, 09 May 2009 01:24:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vuxPwa3E74tL03fTBwkdfqLsU5eQLKZ9GLSRtc3Ybwo=; b=weCkplT6ZEMbDQ1I33P9ydi+W16hlU6eMnO7uAclYwjHCdrW4nl1+TheU9UrHNVjM+ s2LjnGwh7DEh9Qb6xaJZRyeyloVRDMgf/QD10wR1swS4GykXo5cF/3JNPwl7QWgLK+DD QQDtkzr3TYdh+3ws4iZoDHA4Prc5wzq9UIc4s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=rtRkRD5yY0AhF/QzCALQMosUH5MMiHSsaEsmgr13yzlhcMr52ewVWHR0UrZ2nqSlgM X3Bly0q8GTOQYgUDaNrUwF1SdHvsLupJzq307oEzCiyk/ZfspdS4cUOs78pHWH8qs2ul RnQmIA8EY/c5VU1J3J6QcM7SUP0wfpIo/fEXk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.63.209 with SMTP id c17mr4442137bki.47.1241857475543; Sat, 09 May 2009 01:24:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A053B34.6050807@btconnect.com> References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> <4A053B34.6050807@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:24:35 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502e11eb103cc046976799a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d248.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00504502e11eb103cc046976799a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You've had several replies! Surely you should be looking at more than 100km for daylight range, Richard. See if you can hear my beacon on 503.7kHz, transmitting every 15 minutes at 04/19/34 and 49 minutes past the hour, using the same format as the RAL/ORK/WES 5MHz beacons, but PSK31 for the 30 - 48 second period. That has an ERP in the region of 23dBm and is rather less potent than most stations on the band. And BTW, I don't do QSOs - as you may have gathered from postings re 10GHz :-( Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com 2009/5/9 Richard Newstead > Richard Newstead wrote: > >> >> Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in Macclesfield? >> Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? >> >> Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I also play)? > Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > --00504502e11eb103cc046976799a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You've had several replies!

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Surely you should be looking at more than 100km for daylight range, Ric= hard.=A0 =A0See=A0 if you can hear my beacon on 503.7kHz, transmitting every= 15 minutes at 04/19/34 and 49 minutes past the hour, using the same format=20= as the RAL/ORK/WES 5MHz beacons, but PSK31 for the 30 - 48 second period.
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That has an ERP in the region of 23dBm and is rather less potent than m= ost stations on the band.=A0=A0And =A0BTW,=A0 I don't do QSOs=A0 - as yo= u may have gathered from postings re 10GHz :-(

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Andy =A0G4JNT
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2009/5/9 Richard Newstead <<= a href=3D"mailto:g3cwi@btconnect.com">g3cwi@btconnect.com>

Richard Newstead wrote:

Who is actually active on 500k= Hz within about 100km of me in Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way=20= to solicit contacts?

Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I a= lso play)? Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me?

= 73

Richard
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--00504502e11eb103cc046976799a-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF033-54f4a1c1bc1353; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:41:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF054-54f4a1c1bc1353; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:41:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8zh1-0006Wq-Uf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:39:59 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8zh1-0006Wh-Hc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:39:59 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8zgz-0004Fc-2Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:39:59 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsEAMe3G0pcGmL1/2dsb2JhbACEVcpLhAsF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.26.98.245]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 26 May 2009 17:39:43 +0100 Message-ID: <004501c9de20$928f89d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <380-2200951251697569@M2W029.mail2web.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:39:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 The only time one should be below ground is when the said person has expired. To notify OFCOM under these circumstances could be difficult (:- G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:09 PM Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV David, Try putting the dipole on the ground and earthing both ends as well as circumstances permit. In effect you will have a large vertical loop although it will be underground. This technique is the basis of much cave radio communication, and I seem to recall that one of the earliest 73 kHz above-ground experimenters (now a Silent Key) usesd this technique to set one of the distance records on that band. By the way, does the 500 kHz NoV require you to tell the authorities whether you will be working above or below ground, as was the case on 73? John F5VLF -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft� Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/24/09 07:09:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD024-b614a19830bb0; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:25:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD023-b614a19830bb0; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:25:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8HRT-0008Ut-IU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:24:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8HRT-0008Uk-8E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:24:59 +0100 Received: from mailout1.go2.pl ([193.17.41.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8HRP-0000vQ-Sr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:24:58 +0100 Received: from mailout1.go2.pl (unknown [10.0.0.104]) by mailout1.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4833000A for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from o2.pl (unknown [10.0.0.37]) by mailout1.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:40 +0200 (CEST) From: bxi@go2.pl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:39 +0200 X-Originator: 89.76.180.179 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?LF:_SP2KDS?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dr LF Group! We have now QRV 137,708kHz QRSS 3. 73! Marcin SQ2BXI SP2KDS Club From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME064-99c4a0733b426e; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:06:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME018-99c4a0733b426e; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:06:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3FHG-0001A5-Nf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:05:38 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3FHG-00019w-5H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:05:38 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.55]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3FHE-0001M1-P6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:05:38 +0100 X-Trace: 192905472/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvgEAODPBkpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTYQWsTwJjUwHgkSBMwU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,324,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="192905472" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 10 May 2009 21:05:31 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:05:31 +0100 Message-ID: <004501c9d1aa$abbfd090$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> Thread-Index: AcnRoKA7uBsqBRpqQtudtGM0QDWKmAACfbeQ X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham, LF, Latest on 3 mode test. Have de-tuned the antenna as far as I can LF using the variometer. MFSK4 has gone down to 30% print or less. ThrobX2 & PSK31 are both holding at about 98 to 100% just losing the odd character now & again with no effect on intelligibility . Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 10 May 2009 19:51 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream same text , 60 sec repeat .. PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz = 503.20k cent rf MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz = 503,00k cent rf ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz = 502.70 k cent rf Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' lock up time ? Graham -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM To: Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > All, > > Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio > > G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Graham" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM > To: > Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later > >> >> All >> >> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >> >> Tx set >> >> Dial 501.000 >> mode usb >> >> FLDIGI software > > PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >> >> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >> >> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >> >> Power 40 watts per stream >> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >> >> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >> >> Reports welcome >> >> Graham >> >> G0NBD / IO83LK >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >> 05/09/09 >> 06:54:00 >> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD092-9004a10227f3d3; Sun, 17 May 2009 10:43:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD048-9004a10227f3d3; Sun, 17 May 2009 10:43:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5hZM-0005k4-MB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 15:42:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5hZM-0005jv-5E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 15:42:28 +0100 Received: from mail-qy0-f131.google.com ([209.85.221.131]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5hZK-0007aI-Ee for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 15:42:28 +0100 Received: by qyk37 with SMTP id 37so4778602qyk.30 for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 07:42:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=euqJFa+w0XzOji/DaycQODu+ABr5LuCCJDTPdDhkvLc=; b=u6lzrKUu6fNe3c/u0YZETuf55A4CfzSLPwT6xYKP4aK3NOQvsYvB1p0PkSZkEEzxbo T4/cPJk49O4eNl0s8bF1HXCBlCjzsPLLnGwx2VP0LtOaxa9nkB6iK6fQOLbj/V3HL53c o4k6lC0OPODszxp8PnNF8eF8f1TCkmuH2tR2A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jH40nXjEdw9V0ranT1hYXC5tUKG5lgpJpdxfctJoklQhhOvHlawaAkY+62ekt4wIVc kkK7NHqcCbwB8VzMeqVuQ37JIk3Cw9k21iCsQ+hyd5xXZA3NJRlVb0iFzWZZvJKZH0D3 ztH8LLpxvgj6Pmi/lhcf9Vzw4w+Mr0PTxz8Rg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.19.194 with SMTP id c2mr5606912qab.25.1242571339935; Sun, 17 May 2009 07:42:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:42:19 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d302.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Tnx Laurence, If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will have to get some of his neighbors on. 73 Warren K2ORS On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrote: > > Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites - f= yi > 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A > > > From: ja3vqw Hiroshi > Hi Laurence > > Thanks for your e-mail. > Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last > month. > I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO with > any station. > I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz. > So if you find my signal please QSL me. > My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W. > The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long. > 73 > > > > > > Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. C= heck > it out. > _________________________________________________________________ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tu= torial_QuickAdd1_052009 --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD021-b984a081e1726f; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:46:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD092-b984a081e1726f; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:46:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Usb-0004wE-QD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:45:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Usb-0004w5-AE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:45:13 +0100 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3UsY-0007Ps-J2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:45:12 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KJH005VTCR2KM@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 14:45:03 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:45:04 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <5F483DE1E07A46888EB2D106A14A3FAD@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <24A4F797878B46638E6CBE90171EB311@ns94d01ae4d850> <4A07F352.6020105@online.fr> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: capture who.jpg Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Tu Jean-Pierre, best 73s henny pa3cpm. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ""Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)"" To: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: Re: LF: capture who.jpg Hello Henny , I think that it is Nicolas ( f4dtl ) in test ! 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj henny van elst a =E9crit : > Hi,Lf > capture who? > henny pa3cpm > best 73 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09=20 07:02:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de11.mx.aol.com (rly-de11.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.147]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE074-5154a091932192; Tue, 12 May 2009 02:37:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE116-5154a091932192; Tue, 12 May 2009 02:37:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3lbT-0001Db-LK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 07:36:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3lbT-0001DS-A0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 07:36:39 +0100 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3lbR-0003dP-2P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 07:36:38 +0100 Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by mbox2.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC07D408103 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:35:59 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74610495BA7 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:35:59 +0300 (EEST) Received: from eur-info24.infonet.com (eur-info24.infonet.com [213.31.11.24]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:35:59 +0300 Message-ID: <1242110159.4a0918cf7042f@imp.netikka.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:35:59 +0300 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> <1M3dxj-1eZn860@fwd10.t-online.de> <5A69E092D3C045358FFC4FAEB5C5C2EC@radiorummet> <4A090F9D.70308@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A090F9D.70308@btconnect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 213.31.11.24 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Richard! You probably heard the German experimental beacon DI2AM on 505.18kHz. There=20= is a cluster of German and Czech experimental/amateur beacons between 505.1 and 505.2kHz. 73's Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD Quoting Richard Newstead : > Gus wrote: > > > > > > *//* > > */I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB./* > > */Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include..../* > > */Reports are wellcome./* > > *//* > > */73 de Gus SM6BHZ/* > > > > > > > Gus > > 59 here at 2245z. I could hear another beacon about 100Hz lower than you > sending fastish CW and QRSS - any ideas? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB074-ae14a04b4858b; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:39:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB087-ae14a04b4858b; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:39:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Yhf-00089x-Mr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 23:38:03 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Yhe-00089o-VF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 23:38:03 +0100 Received: from web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.124]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Yhe-0002CN-Gh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 23:38:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 39757 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2009 22:37:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1241822274; bh=NC/DvDlLlRfuCVMLAmFlUn/OD2bfFiTvbKagF0rq1+c=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g42sgrO4XC/h7uapWpRvJN2JPwbLw2fKngbdX5jRED0HkDu0uS1NDCNJFp5yegI/Qgg30RB7THSgj/BZAjQHKXCdLXO5SU4d5LlwhpfY7Ho1UiL3EB385kBg0VInIzWeTC134ui9GPDnL6IWLmfQsqSnFR+3dexS+aaqwKpeGtY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AbxJqTj6mbV0Vo9+rk43w/ncvxemRJPaLHGDWTW2wJymAIR62MD5b91ktIjalEiYJJRYj0Mbl0kDRePfkzGIFbrOodjMNSWKDRUzdssexkNpEVrqXppE1Qk50Xouj+aYgXrIsJL1Pkdm0oPyOj8lh4OXNye1fJYb2zImYoxK3uw=; Message-ID: <982865.38712.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AEIbgEwVM1lMd62zMemDxV9PJyNgfuT.wlepO1GD7JR2wnwXkReUWufq Received: from [81.152.21.117] by web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:37:54 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 22:37:54 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Fw: Planned transmissions with SAQ in 2009 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1594465279-1241822274=:38712" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d247.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail --0-1594465279-1241822274=:38712 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- On Fri, 8/5/09, Lars Kalland wrote: From: Lars Kalland Subject: Planned transmissions with SAQ in 2009 To: sm6nm@telia.com Date: Friday, 8 May, 2009, 11:20 AM =C2=A0 =C2=A0 GRIMETON RADIO/SAQ =C2=A0PLANNED=20 TRANSMISSIONS, SUMMER AND AUTUMN 2009=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 There will hopefully be transmissions with the Alexanderson alternator on 17= .2 kHz, CW (A1A) at the following dates and times during 2009:=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 1)=20 Tuesday, May 19 2009 at 07:00 and 07:30 UTC.=20 There will be a transmission to celebrate the Japanese VLF-station Josami Ra= dio/JND when it will be nominated to Institute of Electrical and Electronics= Engineers (IEEE) Milestone and also celebrate its start 80 years ago. The r= adio station is now a museum.=20 No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 2)=20 Sunday, May 24 2009 at 10:55 UTC.=20 A transmission will take place to celebrate the First Swedish Coast Radio St= ation and 100 years of Karlskrona Radio/SAA. The station is still working on= military frequencies.=20 No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 3)=20 Sunday, June 28 at 09:00 and 12:00 UTC.=20 The annual transmission on =E2=80=9CAlexander Day=E2=80=9D. The station is o= pen to visitors.=20 We are glad to receive reports and will exchange QSL-cards.=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 4)=20 Saturday, October 24 at 09:00 UTC.=20 As last year we will transmit on United Nations Day.=20 No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 5)=20 Thursday, December 24, Christmas Eve at 08:00 UTC.=20 The Christmas transmission as before.=20 The stations is open to visitors.=20 We are glad to receive reports and will exchange QSL-cards.=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 We will start tuning up some 30 minutes before message.=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 Also read our web site: www.alexander.n.se=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 QSL-reports are, when indicated, kindly received via:=20 =C2=A0=20 - E-mail to: info@alexander.n.se=20 =C2=A0=20 - or fax to: +46-340-674195=20 =C2=A0=20 - or via: SM bureau=20 =C2=A0=20 - or direct by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton Veteranradios Vaenner, Radiosta= tionen, Grimeton 72=20 S-430 16 ROLFSTORP=20 S =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0W=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 E=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 D=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 E=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 N=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 Yours=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=20 Lars Kalland=20 SM6NM =20 --0-1594465279-1241822274=:38712 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

--- On Fri, 8/5/09, Lars Kalland <lars.kal= land@telia.com> wrote:

From: Lars Kalland <lars.kalland@telia.com>Subject: Planned transmissions with SAQ in 2009
To: sm6nm@telia.com
= Date: Friday, 8 May, 2009, 11:20 AM

=

GRIMETON RADIO/= SAQ
PLANNED=20
TRANSMISSIONS,=20= SUMMER AND AUTUMN 2009=20
= =20
= =20
= =20
There=20= will hopefully be transmissions with the Alexanderson alternator on 17.2 kHz= , CW (A1A) at the following dates and times during 2009:=20
= =20
= =20
1)<= /SPAN>=20
= Tuesday, May 19 2009 at <= /B>07:00 an= d 07:30 UTC.
There=20= will be a transmission to celebrate the Japanese VLF-station Josami Radio/JN= D when it will be nominated to Institute of Electrica= l and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) Milestone and also celebrate its start 80= years ago. The radio station is now a museum.=20
No report= s required and no QSL-cards are given.=20
=20
=20
2)=20
Sun= day, May 24 2009 at 10:55 UTC.
A transmi= ssion will take place to celebrate the First Swedish Coast Radio Station and= 100 years of Karlskrona Radio/SAA. The station is still working on military= frequencies.=20
No report= s required and no QSL-cards are given.=20
=20
=20
3)=20
Sun= day, June 28 at 09:00 and 12:00 UTC.
The annua= l transmission on =E2=80=9CAlexander Day=E2=80=9D. The station is open to vi= sitors.=20
We are gl= ad to receive reports and will exchange QSL-cards.=20
=20
=20
4)=20
Sat= urday, October 24 at 09:00 UTC.=20
As last y= ear we will transmit on United Nations Day.
No report= s required and no QSL-cards are given.=20
=20
=20
5)=20
Thu= rsday, December 24, Christmas Eve at 08:00 UTC.
The Chris= tmas transmission as before.
The stati= ons is open to visitors.=20
We are gl= ad to receive reports and will exchange QSL-cards.=20
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We wil= l start tuning up some 30 minutes before message.=20
= =20
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Also r= ead our web site: www.alexander.n.se=20
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QSL-re= ports are, when indicated, kindly received via:=20
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- E-ma= il to: info@alexander.n.se=20
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- or f= ax to: +46-340-674195=20
= =20
- or v= ia: SM bureau=20
= =20
- or d= irect by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton Veteranradios Vaenner, Radiostationen= , Grimeton 72=20
S-4= 30 16 ROLFSTORP=20
S    W    E &nb= sp; D    E   =20= N=20
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Yours<= /SPAN>=20
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Lars K= alland=20
SM6NM<= /SPAN>

=20 --0-1594465279-1241822274=:38712-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME043-9de4a03241ab0; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:10:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME102-9de4a03241ab0; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:10:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2829-0002M9-NB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:09:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2829-0002M0-55 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:09:25 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f213.google.com ([209.85.217.213]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2827-0006Pu-4t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:09:25 +0100 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so2005316gxk.4 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:09:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RqUBkZn4SHV2GoxgLpZmyhCtOd/6uA35AmJS35gNYZU=; b=mbpnxrF2Myou74KgHGk7JDud8f3gMMHB0U5TnGo8q/yjf3YZKrtUqY6JZhDIRMVTnn TY8d3InOFmVJXrySh8jb8EJYFRYMEb9cdkakeCjsj4jvllxXp6afqbGcfEAonzyCLmg7 yx3+yY4uU330Lta1obYT02RZaENyaJxhrlZ4c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZeY9qeJvP6EwyuJMSTM4046DpLr+0V1zR/h8A77pb5iEyVIiGBqILwI49UJKncr/k+ HlGtAN2BvMEFAcUFLKrTHjtNSlrwTlzA4aKFYtTwLF8mcpqO6jbXB/IyaCWt9S9i2x+5 GJzsYoDQyutvF6SY3E32RjuJRh7pmaZ3xObaw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.88.17 with SMTP id l17mr2309931agb.2.1241719756113; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:09:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <002801c9cf20$9c4dfe70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <008501c9ce63$c07ecf30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905061229w6c853f60w291cca01c39eec09@mail.gmail.com> <002801c9cf20$9c4dfe70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:09:16 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905071109yf108b14mce42ee2169148545@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Decca 5501Jeep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m255.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal, I have run continuous carrier for 2.5+ hours, that's equivalent to QRSS 9000 ! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:32 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > Read what I said > > I said 120, 240 or FSK where the duty cyle is high. I did not mention > 60!!!!!!!!!! > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Decca 5501Jeep > > > Mal, > > =A0 You couldn't be more wrong!!! > I have been running a Decca in QRSS 60 for several years now at full > power + often overnight and occasionally for days at time with ZERO > transmitter failures. The Decca runs cool at 1.4 - 1.5 kW DC input. > Perhaps you are not allowing for sufficient air circulation through > the heat sinks. My Decca is in a rack with plenty of clearance above > and below for the air to circulate. I don't think that it's a good > idea to run the Decca sitting on a table as I've seen done in some > shack pictures. > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 > > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM, mal hamilton wrot= e: >> >> The old decca Jeep 5501 cannot strand LMCW 120, 240 or dfcw for long, 3 o= r >> 10 sec dot or normal cw is about their limit on full power. >> I have 2 units (6 modules) but prefer my home brew with robust FETS on 13= 7 >> Khz. >> I likewise have a h/brew fet pa for 500 Khz class E and it is virtually >> indestructable when correctly adjusted using a scope. >> >> G3KEV > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.19/2099 - Release Date: 05/05/09 > 13:07:00 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG083-59f4a00df41138; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:52:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG014-59f4a00df41138; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:52:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1VM9-0004dP-KK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 01:51:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1VM9-0004dG-5C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 01:51:29 +0100 Received: from fish2.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.163]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1VM7-0007av-97 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 01:51:29 +0100 Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.204.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.204]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 98EC28FBD2D for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 20:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.204.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.204]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca with SMTP id 5MXXYNJgOUW8Z2H7 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000201c9cde4$c3008ac0$0b01a8c0@weazle> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: References: <20090505145733.ZR0ZK.2161725.root@mp14> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 01:51:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: XES 137.779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi John, LFers, Your DFCW signals are pounding into Saltford this evening! I'm running SpecLab in one box and Spectran in the other, and it's interesting to see the differences in how they copy. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 EN93dr http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-b314a0482a0203; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:06:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC075-b314a0482a0203; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:06:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2VNg-00062f-SY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:05:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2VNg-00062W-Do for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:05:12 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.191] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2VNd-0007qZ-2a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:05:11 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3616.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EC3BF7000082 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 21:05:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.36.218]) by mwinf3616.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 6A7C97000081 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 21:04:59 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090508190459436.6A7C97000081@mwinf3616.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:04:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Narrow , MFSK 4 running 503.000 cent freq tx set 502.000 usb / 1000 hz audio cent FLDIGI software 100 Hz bw ? how wide do you make it ? tnx- Graham G0NBD IO83LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC012-d674a142bca13b; Wed, 20 May 2009 12:12:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC037-d674a142bca13b; Wed, 20 May 2009 12:11:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6oNd-000378-HQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 17:10:57 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6oNd-00036z-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 17:10:57 +0100 Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.6]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6oNa-0002nt-QP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 17:10:57 +0100 Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B69E08080 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 18:10:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A14FE0805E for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 18:10:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A142B89.4030209@online.fr> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 18:10:49 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A141D15.7000309@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4A141D15.7000309@gmx.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello , Warren , good copy of your full callsing last night ! Hartmut, very happy to find you among us ! 73 's Jean-Pierre f1afj Hartmut Wolff a =E9crit : > Great signal here in Germany: > > http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de06.mx.aol.com (rly-de06.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.142]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE052-4df4a1356ad2b5; Tue, 19 May 2009 21:02:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE062-4df4a1356ad2b5; Tue, 19 May 2009 21:02:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6aBc-0007Qj-IT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 02:01:36 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6aBc-0007Qa-5Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 02:01:36 +0100 Received: from smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.19]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6aBa-0006HV-Gf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 02:01:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 24002 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 01:01:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=xnVGW3EQBsb/45Qhd4N7R3R8MbQDNbKrlsJW/O1Fw6L8C72T9EGog8FMS0te4U5PhG382ZvD2bNXn2q621SAO1kSzHtGIQCGOM8ZzDRm64JHPo3P5bjan/GlWayf3A4h4lyYEGPp8k297mI9xEkBiWy55jl2RPn8sQsp1JG9ZBg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 01:01:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ppGREDQVM1l6Bfk0XXqH.WboWkFKAWgKJVNdpP_gaQhs89ynWvcRdoqpo_S.yyfWKm8g9z9U2yAfB0mHKveHECgiGt32hue.aENjoqkkAivN_U4XqAWef_pfKEwdkMisjD16iS0nU8ProLj0lny_S5MunhnC2bQFb9ATAjP9JK83yGgf_ne.M2_VabQPvEYFdwjyv8.SogYfKVZGAEeLkk_iDcz7EU7ygOIIl_y9CJYyHoFb31SImepu5vcfhCQrWOPWRyFFUOTkDqBHDTVYHM2_T99ZhAc.dBaWEWW.pvZjuBcNGCU- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 02:01:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Gary, LF Group, An image of 518kHz at 506kHz implies LO = 512kHz? You could change the LO frequency to 500kHz, although then you would not be able to receive signals on that spot frequency. You could also try optimising the amplitude/phase "tweaks" in the software to give maximum rejection of the unwanted sideband at 518kHz. A simple notch filter with high rejection will inevitably have significant loss at nearby frequencies - there is a trade-off between Q, depth of notch, loss of wanted signal and frequency difference between wanted signal and notch frequencies. This can be improved by adding aditional components, e.g. adding a series capacitor to a parallel-tuned trap can "tune out" the loss at a frequency below the notch frequency. It is feasible to get something like a few dB loss at 504kHz with 20 - 25dB at 518kHz. More complicated designs like Andy's have a much nicer response shape, but may require unachieveably high inductor Q to get the design response. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-a604a05eb531c9; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:45:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA038-a604a05eb531c9; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:45:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2tPO-0003Cn-QO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:44:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2tPO-0003Ce-Er for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:44:34 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2tPL-0007lk-BF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:44:33 +0100 X-Trace: 196452345/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroEAGeIBUpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTYQVvwYHg3cF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,322,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="196452345" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 May 2009 21:44:31 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090509223823.4rn5v6igldwkcc08@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 21:44:31 +0100 Message-ID: <007601c9d0e6$f4140ce0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090509223823.4rn5v6igldwkcc08@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnQ5nPDAtpEg5qiS/GpbSkHkKQvXQAACkjA X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Rik, Thanks for report. No wind tonight so I am running higher power despite the droopy top load, vertical antenna only at 9 metres high. 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 09 May 2009 21:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 503.600KHz Test Gary, 559 here 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > LF, > > > > G4WGT testing 503.600KHz qrss05 & 6wpm ID, 1 watt ERP. > > > > Reports welcome. > > > > 73, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD061-b714a0764682; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:34:18 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD043-b714a0764682; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:34:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3IVr-00031d-0o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:32:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3IVq-00031U-KE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:32:54 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.191] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3IVo-0002o7-1O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:32:54 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3608.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 37F8B7000083 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:32:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3608.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id EF7207000081 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:32:46 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510233246980.EF7207000081@mwinf3608.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6CAB0066191C4E76B92C8821061A1CB9@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <1B3950C0CC6641F29CD92B0269A04581@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <1B3950C0CC6641F29CD92B0269A04581@JimPC> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 00:32:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 3 Mode Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks for that Jim, Seems its close between the mfsk and throb systems , I found the throb mode=20 worked best last night may be its down to the noise format , but psk31 appears to of produced the=20 highest error rates at all locations , Rik reporting the throb system printing quite well Tnx- Graham . -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Moritz" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:27 PM To: Subject: LF: Re: 3 Mode Beacon > > Dear Graham, LF Group, > > Have been watching your test for an hour or so. At the peaks of the fades, > all 3 modes decode quite well:- > > MSK4: > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com > > ThrobX 2: > CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD > CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD > QSL G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM G0NBD@HOTMAIL.CO > > PSK31: > e C > CQ 1Q d0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > qsl nbd@hotmail.aom g0nbd@hotmail.com > > > When the signal levels are down, MSK4 seems most robust, with Throb > somewhere in the middle:- > > t=B98n=B0 ND > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com > > 3-LNBD G0NBD G0NBD > CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD > QSL G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM > > CQ CQ d > g0nId g0e > d g0nbd > iQ CQ CQ de g0p > p .0=CAwg > eet > g tloTail.=B0 > > Watching the decodes, I am seeing that PSK31 is vulnerable to static > crashes - each loud burst of QRN corrupts a few characters, while the=20 > other > modes seem to tolerate this better. This is similar to previous=20 > experience. > When the QRN is not present, the PSK31 is nearly as good as the other=20 > modes. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09= =20 > 07:02:00 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB031-cec4a226c9a3bb; Sun, 31 May 2009 07:40:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB018-cec4a226c9a3bb; Sun, 31 May 2009 07:40:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAjNi-0000Fb-Q2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:39:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAjNi-0000FR-9Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:39:14 +0100 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAjNb-0001xr-I6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:39:14 +0100 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a226c54116; Sun, 31 May 2009 07:39:00 -0400 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c47.5a38144d (39954) for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 07:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 07:38:55 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: F6BWO F4DTL Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_c47.5a38144d.3753c64f_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_c47.5a38144d.3753c64f_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1243769934" -------------------------------1243769934 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanx Jeff for this new QSO with you 3 french stations are active on 2200m today, F1AFJ,F6BWO and F4DTL. 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Thanx Jeff for this new QSO with you

3 french stations are active on 2200m today, F1AFJ,F6BWO and F4DTL.=20 Wow.

F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP
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PA3CPM 25dB over noise in Argo set to 3s dots X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) At 1349z. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD091-b7f4a0c9876372; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:17:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:16:49 +0100 Message-ID: <012601c9d4e1$add2c010$1c00a8c0@d600> From: "Mark" To: References: <30FAE8BC34DF4B8695573FED392DE716@JimPC> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 23:16:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 just reset the wspr system remotely..i am in England atm... slow connection so first spot has wrong freq! ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:05 PM Subject: LF: WSPR beacon > Dear LF Group, > > I am running a WSPR mode beacon again on 502.4kHz "dial frequency", > 503.905kHz RF out. Any reports would be very welcome. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 30/04/2009 17:53 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME033-9c24a05d9983d5; Sat, 09 May 2009 15:29:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME066-9c24a05d9983d5; Sat, 09 May 2009 15:29:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2sDe-0002nN-5A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 20:28:22 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2sDd-0002nE-Oh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 20:28:21 +0100 Received: from smtpq4.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net ([212.54.42.167]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2sDX-0007DC-U8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 20:28:21 +0100 Received: from [212.54.42.144] (helo=smtp13.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq4.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M2sDT-0004hw-So for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:28:11 +0200 Received: from 5353c3dc.cable.casema.nl ([83.83.195.220] helo=P43000) by smtp13.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M2sDS-0006gl-Ef for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:28:10 +0200 From: "Willem De Roode" To: Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 21:28:09 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c9d0dc$4945bf20$dbd13d60$@nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnQ3EjISfgQtOzVRye5u7OkI2x99A== Content-Language: nl X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1M2sDS-0006gl-Ef X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.538, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_20 -0.74, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY 0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: wdr@casema.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.699 Subject: LF: digi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C9D0ED.0CCE8F20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C9D0ED.0CCE8F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fldigi oke ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C9D0ED.0CCE8F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C9D0ED.0CCE8F20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC074-aff4a01ae8df3; Wed, 06 May 2009 11:36:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC013-aff4a01ae8df3; Wed, 06 May 2009 11:36:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1j9h-0005zn-HF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:35:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1j9h-0005ze-6s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:35:33 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr06.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.184]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1j9e-0003u4-UF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:35:32 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr06.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id BLJ98541; Wed, 6 May 2009 16:35:23 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A01AE3C.3080805@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:35:24 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr06.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0201.4A01AE3D.01C2,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Test Message Only Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Please ignore. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC052-b3b4a1dc72b298; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:05:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC087-b3b4a1dc72b298; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:05:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9SAf-0000vL-Rq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:04:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9SAf-0000vC-Fg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:04:29 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9SAc-0002Jf-PH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:04:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 18252 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2009 23:04:21 -0000 Received: from 85.178.103.129 by www145.gmx.net with HTTP; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:04:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:04:20 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: <009301c9df19$1a61c000$6551e00a@bxi> Message-ID: <20090527230420.259760@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4A19A7E4.4030606@btconnect.com> <84D65F58F723418B8DC8672A3B10C875@64683d74b6134b3> <4A1AB588.2070603@btconnect.com> <84EEB64668A34793A28A4B2B3E8DACE6@64683d74b6134b3> <4A1B9B85.3070501@btconnect.com> <20090527165022.288760@gmx.net> <009301c9df19$1a61c000$6551e00a@bxi> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19RpUhgYwJREb7vSB5mvdwIXpOJt7pDcCdzb2pIoj 8DHYWM+zg484ub9Zknb2mFvN3Fn/FnFT69Qg== X-GMX-UID: wPQveUlSPTR+d+nWDzIw8x05c2tpZMuH X-FuHaFi: 0.59 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Subject: LF: reports SM6BHZ OK0EMW DI2AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 some Reports 505kHz - 506kHz 25.V.2009 DL6NVC qth Berlin JO62RM RX homemade, ANT wireloop abt.15sqm, 10m agl. inside a linden tree 110Hz-CW-Filter 20:43Z – 20:52Z 505kHz / DI2AM 329 / OK0EMW 229 21:10Z – 21:31Z 506kHz SM6BHZ QSB peak 449 SSB-Filter 21:32Z SM6BHZ 349 21:33Z SM6BHZ SSB „there is something“ RS 22 21:34Z SM6BHZ 239 back to 110Hz-Filter 21:53Z – 21:55Z SM6BHZ 459 22:03Z SM6BHZ peaking 559 back to SSB-Filter 22:04Z SM6BHZ CW 549 22:06Z SM6BHZ SSB „some voice“ RS 22 22:07Z SM6BHZ CW 439 22:08Z SM6BHZ SSB 22 22:09Z SM6BHZ CW 329 still SSB-Filter 22:22Z DI2AM 549 22:23Z OK0EMW 439 22:25Z SM6BHZ SSB 22 22:41Z SM6BHZ 329 22:43Z SM6BHZ 229 Nice to hear some signals on 600m :) Good night. Dennis DL6NVC -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG093-9f549fb50baba; Fri, 01 May 2009 15:43:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG017-9f549fb50baba; Fri, 01 May 2009 15:42:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Lzybu-0004DH-On for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 20:41:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Lzybu-0004D8-5t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 20:41:26 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lzybs-00015p-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 20:41:26 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQFALPs+klcGJs//2dsb2JhbACCKCuBeoc6BsNtg30F Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.24.155.63]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 01 May 2009 20:40:17 +0100 Message-ID: <006c01c9ca94$a87832f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 20:40:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Static 137 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01C9CA9D.09F2C0B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C9CA9D.09F2C0B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vy heavy static crashes tonite on 137 Kcs. mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C9CA9D.09F2C0B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Vy heavy static crashes tonite on 137=20 Kcs.

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1M56ks-0005WI-Go for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 00:23:55 +0100 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a0df97335a; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:23:41 -0400 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.d56.27e2ed61 (34977) for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host-92-0-194-169.as43234.net [92.0.194.169]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA082-88a14a0df96e294; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:23:27 -0400 From: pat gillen To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <007a01c9d58f$45a60e80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <007a01c9d58f$45a60e80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 00:23:26 +0100 Message-Id: <1242429806.11120.6.camel@pat-desktop-dell> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: BC-221-T Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Mal, Alan 3nyk and myself were just discussing those a couple of days ago. We wondered how many of us were left who knew how to use a BC221 or similar het. unit. Don't think I can quite qualify as being old enough to have known the man who made yours though. Better question, however, is can you still read the initials on the cal charts? On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 19:59 +0100, mal hamilton wrote: > I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would make a nice OSC/driver for MF. > It is mint condx but has not been used for years. Some will be > familiar with this unit, vintage WWII made in the USA (ZENITH RADIO > CORPORATION CHICAGO) Maybe someone knows the man that made it !! > > mal/g3kev > -- 73 de Pat G4GVW QTH Nr. Felixstowe (East Coast of UK) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD044-b634a04917e2d3; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:09:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD025-b634a04917e2d3; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:09:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2WNF-0006Wu-AT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:08:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2WNE-0006Wl-Ut for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:08:48 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.74]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2WNC-0008VC-ET for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:08:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 94502 invoked from network); 8 May 2009 20:08:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=WoJLyaReHTq3km/UBD8i1cVNAYI9Qldpt1pZiskjjSV1pQxilC3bEC9TBKAGncwSKGAWnw0DeGAfsDBkn8Yo1vEjqw1AyOOL0J12kS+Zfnb+or72hsbJVLo1s4zn/9WdHLpqgy6QrVxZ1j+yAtGkvzoSaQY8mF/LVLVRBHCeb4U= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.109.224 with login) by smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2009 20:08:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8HxbVFsVM1kowfrurI40lvwehLVdTj7MmUZVC3trGWALWXDcVWLJUQYsrQ9xeB_zjmyBvXevwSu_Oojos3jj1Q.CIG8GlEah8nq_Z8.Vk1O0qZqWjyIYguIlvlZ_qsaeatJhseiZrhx4wYsrFIl281V9xcTfmCNVfBldjmXeDHV4eFGpLzjWwmf_L.efwkh1xHphQ3EIBKFTNwUgQ1knbjMH8h8jH8DHm.Ka6meY41Le31xSlaVn5dvGoOiS2A5DTxJaBTJMI_TYudNq.mnjf5EAm6x.bVdWaQRaeOz.7Hz_JxoTXNOq X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <88d2415e0905080655s4000e8fdyc08621bbb8686b45@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905080655s4000e8fdyc08621bbb8686b45@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:08:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Activity / G0NBD Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Laurie, Graham, LF Group, Currently getting good copy of G0NBD in MFSK4 mode on 503.0kHz Re other activity - I am still struggling here with my local noise problems. I am testing a two-antenna phasing arrangement, and have made some progress in discovering the reason it wasn't working is that there are two sources of similar "white" sounding noise - one being the broadcast TX site nearby, while the other is the phone line carrying the ADSL signal. Unplugging my broadband modem makes things work quite well, and I can then get the noise down 30dB or more by adjusting the antenna phasing. Wrapping about 20 turns of the incoming phone cable round a SMPS ferrite core is also fairly effective, although it does not eliminate the ADSL noise completely. So I am hoping to have a reasonable receive capability again soon on 500k. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME083-9ac4a1566aa302; Thu, 21 May 2009 10:35:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME038-9ac4a1566aa302; Thu, 21 May 2009 10:35:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M79MJ-0007SD-N8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:34:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M79MJ-0007S2-BH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:34:59 +0100 Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com ([209.85.221.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M79MF-0008L0-R1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:34:58 +0100 Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10so703529qyk.30 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:34:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QVf/6o3OwpVx8AZWOZvU+QUm01gu2sehXgBbnVbAmj8=; b=KV/ax2mfUN9hVKoIsbMM2o5b/VtEG2wqNzWKfzXAzf7p6DVezZXC8vYF6zjKX+BdVm Y0caCd0S0s2QA72m19CGYk6RbkrfDGmTRNaGAkbNTRXF2xr/4goo/cg9Ojtno7z9QCVm nuWIvxY8HrO5LUND+wicCDp4pKS5TXPoFRt8E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PYqe4RqdM5IEiRYqx04IUFS9QuOJS3rMtqrhF0LzpRc5kdAJerii07XihJtXypMODa +xpvEb729Rtm5IRw7Tk5evdZP5w079E8yxU+JLFMy4M0iQJXooTShd4ZczTgSTFSoO/h CUses1Kw3pVpVKznmhJdI7KxmCeHRK8h0IVPw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.60.70 with SMTP id o6mr2656419qah.105.1242916489999; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:34:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A142B89.4030209@online.fr> References: <4A141D15.7000309@gmx.de> <4A142B89.4030209@online.fr> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:49 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905210734k10d71001w496d1d5363b31dd1@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d264.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the 'grabber'! On 5/20/09, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hello , > Warren , good copy of your full callsing last night ! > Hartmut, very happy to find you among us ! > 73 's Jean-Pierre f1afj > > Hartmut Wolff a =E9crit : >> Great signal here in Germany: >> >> http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm >> > > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC093-b034a0689161cd; Sun, 10 May 2009 03:58:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC017-b034a0689161cd; Sun, 10 May 2009 03:58:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M33uh-0006Uo-2a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:57:35 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M33ug-0006Uf-MR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:57:34 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M33ue-00078R-WB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:57:34 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CE57B8053 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:56:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C7D31E702 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:56:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6DB735A41; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:56:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 221.47-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (221.47-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.47.221]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:56:54 +0200 Message-ID: <20090510095654.xh9zsb9jlzfkgos8@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:56:54 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> <00b101c9d01b$bbd34790$6401a8c0@asus> <20090508233722.rtzv6nsxw9j4wsgc@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090508233722.rtzv6nsxw9j4wsgc@webmail4.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.47.221 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all, last night I worked Graham in THROBX2 mode and a bit later in PSK31. Under the given conditions (lot of QRN and QSB) THROBX performed better than PSK31. MFSK4 seems far inferior (at least here). Nice to have a 2-way data QSO on 500 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5324a11c1adef; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:14:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF025-5324a11c1adef; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:14:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M69Dp-0001pH-IG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:14:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M69Dp-0001p8-5g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:14:05 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M69Dn-0005hY-1a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:14:05 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3542.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 794BD1C00087 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 22:13:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.31.18]) by mwinf3542.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id F25F61C00081 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 22:13:53 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090518201353992.F25F61C00081@mwinf3542.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <9568EA4B7F4F41E8B3C24916AEB685B6@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:13:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Beacon - 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard, Links to some ccts etc :- http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/low-frequency-converters Depends on what you intending to run and at home or portable ? couple of nice home made ones about ... I went for the army surplus special method .. not quite sure which is the more difficult ..getting one running that did or one that has not 'yet' G Nb if you find any projects , add them to the page . -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:42 PM To: Subject: LF: Beacon - 500kHz > > I heard someone beaconing on 501.1kHz at 2030 local tonight. Just too > weak to make out the call. Got "test" and QSK before they stopped. > > My beacon is on 501.8 now. > > Any recommended transverter designs for LF? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > - > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: 05/18/09 > 06:28:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA074-8bc4a044866122; Fri, 08 May 2009 10:57:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA076-8bc4a044866122; Fri, 08 May 2009 10:57:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2RVT-0004xC-9G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:56:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2RVS-0004x3-RX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:56:58 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2RVP-0004Q6-Vz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:56:58 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao0GAKPkA0pZ8qTH/2dsb2JhbACEUMw0g30F Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.164.199]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 08 May 2009 15:56:49 +0100 Message-ID: <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <00a201c9ce65$850fe540$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <6BA400053F4E4A45935BEA7FF2FC10EC@JimPC> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:56:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Jim You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it simple. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz Portable > Dear Richard, LF Group, > > I would suggest using an "umbrella" top-loaded vertical using a telescopic > fibreglass mast. From experience, antennas with horizontal sections like > inverted Ls or Ts have the disadvantage of requiring at least two masts > (unless there is a suitable support already on your hilltop), and are a > real > handful when the wind starts blowing due to the masts flexing, requiring > several guys to keep the antenna in shape. The umbrella is somewhat less > efficient for the same overall height, but only needs a single mast, and > the > sloping top loading wires double as guys to keep the mast straight. The > height is the most important dimension. A 10m mast would make a reasonable > 500kHz antenna. > > For a reasonable estimate of antenna capacitance, assume 6pF per meter of > wire. For antennas with a number of wires running close together, such as > an > umbrella, the actual capacitance will be a bit lower due to proximity > effects, but this is a good first estimate. You can use NEC antenna > simulators to calculate the capacitance quite accurately, although the > resistance will probably be way off. Small antennas will have very sharp > resonance, so you will want to add a variometer to your loading coil, or > some other means of fine tuning. G4FGQ's DOS software runs fine in a DOS > box > under Windows 98 and Vista here. > > For insulated ground radials to work well, their capacitance to ground > needs > to be much larger than that of the antenna, so you probably want a few > hundred metres of wire in total. If the ground is soft, a few 1m ground > rods > connected together works well as a ground. > > There is a lot of handy info on LF antennas at > http://www.wireless.org.uk/on7yd/index.htm > > > Hope to work you /P soon... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > >> >>> Dear all >>> >>> I am hoping to be granted an NoV for portable operating on 500kHz. I >>> have parts on order for the GW3UEP Economy transmitter which will be run >>> on 12 Volts. Suggestions for portable aerials that can be set-up by one >>> person on remote and windy hilltops will be most welcome. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Richard >>> G3CWI >>> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.19/2099 - Release Date: 05/05/09 13:07:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG013-a0e4a19a1e829e; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:37:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG048-a0e4a19a1e829e; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:37:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JV2-0001EU-PY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:36:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JV2-0001EK-E1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:36:48 +0100 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl ([193.17.41.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8JUy-0001ik-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:36:47 +0100 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl (d4 [127.0.0.1]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B835BE19 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:36:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from o2.pl (unknown [10.0.0.37]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:36:43 +0200 (CEST) From: bxi@go2.pl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <3c01eff9.1a141ba6.4a198f4f.b955c@o2.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3151782c.6d18128b.4a19a1ca.1121b@o2.pl> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:36:42 +0200 X-Originator: 89.76.180.179 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?RE:_LF:_SP2KDS?= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="==o2.pl-WebMail-19803e23.34c740d5.1125c==" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --==o2.pl-WebMail-19803e23.34c740d5.1125c== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos! 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85.178.114.54 by www186.gmx.net with HTTP; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:57:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:57:00 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <20090525135700.108790@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18IW+hjezAIhxlOaWayp6WVwkaCt4iDwMGLuEXK8x mNqTQZd1s/kN8X0d9hOzP3OVQKgkTdje033w== X-GMX-UID: ntkvIhRAZDIrLrDWRGY2e0h5emhmY8H3 X-FuHaFi: 0.59 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Richard! I'm interested in Your /p antenna discussion :) > 1) T antenna. Am I right in thinking that in the classical T > configuration, the horizontal part of the aerial is only there to add > capacity - i.e. it makes no contribution to the groundwave? If so, I > assume that I can use very thin wire for the T? Well, as far as I understand antennas, the horizontal wires are part of the electrical length of the antenna. There will be current flowing into these horizontal branches, hence in any case losses will occour there. Another question is of course: How big these losses are, and if the additional losses are better, than not climbing your hill due to a too-heavy antenna? >From the "meeting point" of the vertical and horizontal parts, the horizontal currents are fed into opposite directions, so if both horizontal wires are exactly the same length, height, over similar ground, no houses and other wiring disturbing the fields, ... , (lets call it "free space" like antenna books do ;) ) , the radiation of the horizontal parts cancel out each other at some distance, pure vertical polarization remaining. > > 2) In the more likely configuration with "horizontal" wires actually > acting as an inverted V can I still use very thin wire without reducing > performance? Anyone with simulation capabilities out there? Remember, that as others just said, sloping horizontal parts do reduce the effective antenna height and decrease efficiency. So 4 (or 6) shorter wires may act better than 2 longer wires. > 3) Is there any benefit to be gained by having an inductor at the top of > the vertical section of the T? I've read somethere: Yes it is, because lower current -> lower losses, even though the coil has to be bigger (may be mechanical problem?) > If so, will the loss of the inductor be > relevant if the part of the antenna above it (the T wires) don't > contribute to useful radiation? Yes, relevant. Again, although horizontal polarization cancels out at least "in free space", there is current flowing up there. > 73 Dennis DL6NVC Berlin -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss f�r nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF073-95849fbf0d6355; Sat, 02 May 2009 03:06:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF046-95849fbf0d6355; Sat, 02 May 2009 03:06:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M09Gp-0005sm-Vo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 08:04:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M09Gp-0005sd-8h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 08:04:23 +0100 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M09Gm-0003qq-ST for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 08:04:23 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KJ000L8D8Z0AV@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 09:04:12 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 09:04:14 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <0F4A7019711D4AA3802B1ECF85C4060F@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RU 02-05.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_lk6MIC/WgsdsWH/PMR4j+w)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_lk6MIC/WgsdsWH/PMR4j+w) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_D2WvyKqfw4Qrvvva4kqGQg)" --Boundary_(ID_D2WvyKqfw4Qrvvva4kqGQg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Lf, capture RU, Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: ru 02-05.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Message-ID: <7ED4E103A61B462EB9BBD98AB79610B1@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <108EF969E1FE4E14821FD0B03287232F@JimPC> <20090524213307.sbrh6ea8x2g4og4s@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090524213307.sbrh6ea8x2g4og4s@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:37:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Rik, LF Group, At the moment (2030utc), they are transmitting a CW beacon signal on 503.1kHz, apparently the same signal level as before. QRN is getting very heavy here. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:33 PM Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV > nil from G0MRF here (until 19:30 UTC) > Are they QRV ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE043-4bc4a196c7799; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:49:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE027-4bc4a196c7799; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:49:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Fw4-0008F9-JR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:48:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Fw4-0008F0-6h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:48:28 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Fw2-0007MV-2S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:48:28 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsEAJEJGUpZ8+0p/2dsb2JhbACEVMtlhAsF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.243.237.41]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 16:48:17 +0100 Message-ID: <006b01c9dc87$0e4be3c0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> <14D90153B05D421EB30356D325877C2D@JimPC> <4A196840.1090803@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:48:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Don't risk it. You might set the heather on FIRE !!!! G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:31 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: First Portable Trip > Dear all > > Someone has suggested running a sloping wire down a cliff and top > feeding it. This is an interesting idea. Extending on that idea, if the > lower end of the wire was connected to some radials and the upper ends > was fed against earth might that work? Instead of a capacity hat it > would perhaps be a capacity bottom antenna. Setting up such a system > could be hard though. I have not abseiled in a long time. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 07:00:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-9bc4a2240aa2db; Sun, 31 May 2009 04:32:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME058-9bc4a2240aa2db; Sun, 31 May 2009 04:32:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAgSQ-0007e9-AO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:31:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAgSP-0007e0-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:31:53 +0100 Received: from smtpout02.highway.telekom.at ([213.33.98.152] helo=smtp.a1.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAgSN-00088w-CG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) 136.7kHz, solid copy in JN67tw, QRB abt. 40km 73 Heinz From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-a7c4a2133362ae; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:23:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA074-a7c4a2133362ae; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:23:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAOVv-0001Ja-Nr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:22:19 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAOVv-0001JR-5F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:22:19 +0100 Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.6]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAOVt-0000G0-IS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:22:19 +0100 Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MAOVt-0002va-0e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:22:17 +0100 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MAOVp-0001Vh-U6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:22:15 +0100 Message-ID: <2642D88B77A54B92A7D45D0DE8E624EA@p4> From: "Mark" To: References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> <88d2415e0905300406p54cf1d54o14cbfebabf5f5216@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:18:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C9E131.83A36360" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C9E131.83A36360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lawrence,=20 You may get lucky with surplus Xtals in that range, I use some pulled from a= n ancient xtal controlled 2m rig.. but the 2m frequencies corresponding to y= our range are low. You may consider using a DDS like the softmark unit, or the ones designed fo= r the Softrock SDR radios . this effectively gives you a VFO! One of these may also be cheaper than a couple of crystals! Mark GM4ISM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information Many thanks Dave. I will try suggested companies. Actually looking for Xtal on 8020 to 8030 so unlikely=20 anyone has one ! \Thanks Laurie. 2009/5/30 Dave G3WCB Laurie, McKnight and Hy-Q used to advertise in RadCom. They may still be trading= . Addresses below. IQD are also around, but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like=20= us! What frequency/style are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector prob= ably has what you need. McKnight Crystals...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY 01703-848961 ENGLAND Hy-Q Intrnational (UK) Ltd. (44) 01223-834444 Fax: (44) 01223-834589. =20 http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/ 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence mayhead Sent: 30 May 2009 11:42 To: rsgb Subject: LF: Information Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? Any ideas thanks Laurie G3AQC ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2143 - Release Date: 05/30/09= 05:53:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C9E131.83A36360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lawrence,

You may get lucky with surplus Xtals in tha= t range,=20 I use some pulled from an ancient xtal controlled 2m rig.. but the 2m=20 frequencies corresponding to your range are low.

You may consider using a DDS like the softm= ark=20 unit, or the ones designed for the Softrock SDR radios . this effectively gi= ves=20 you a VFO!

One of these may also be cheaper than a cou= ple of=20 crystals!

Mark GM4ISM

----- Original Message -----

lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:06=20 PM

Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information=20 <crystals>

Many thanks Dave. I will try suggested companies.
Actual= ly=20 looking for Xtal on 8020 to 8030 so unlikely
anyone has one !
\Than= ks=20 Laurie.

2009/5/30 Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com&g= t;

Laurie,

&nb= sp;

McKnight and Hy-Q= used to=20 advertise in RadCom. They may still be trading. Addresses=20 below.

&nb= sp;

IQD are also arou= nd, but I=20 don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like us!

&nb= sp;

What frequency/st= yle are=20 you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector probably has what you=20 need.

= McKnight C= rystals...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY 01703-848961 ENGLAND

Hy-Q Intrnational (UK= ) Ltd. (44) 01223-834444 Fax: (44) 01223-834589.

http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/

73, Dave G3WCB=20 IO91RM

-----Original= =20 Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behal= f Of=20 lawrence mayhead
Sent: 30 May 2009 11:42
To:=20 rsgb
Subject: LF: Information

Does anybo= dy=20 manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days?
I have trawle= d=20 Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!!
Nothing in Radc= om.=20 What's happened to companies like QCC ?
Any ideas thanks
Laurie=20 G3AQC

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2143 - Releas= e=20 Date: 05/30/09 05:53:00
------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C9E131.83A36360-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF051-53a49fe9a7b92; Mon, 04 May 2009 03:34:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF033-53a49fe9a7b92; Mon, 04 May 2009 03:34:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0sgN-0005cq-BL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:33:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0sgM-0005ch-RD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:33:46 +0100 Received: from web28512.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([87.248.110.191]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0sgM-0002W7-8R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:33:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 7393 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2009 07:32:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1241422360; bh=InQVWE6KC1lwUViI63XzOC/wW/gAb5vhUD8k7qR5c9s=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xkkderpPHUQVr4+mcvKvbLFHOX268/Emq3lFeZdBVArQeqBiWOmLP864Trp2ewmf2+S1a676gvwdk6oocub+Ek16DkTqbNATP+KRenCJ6xkvWnghIWaYX9/0KQWvRCJqsO8YawFCygPMxNS8QNZi01HdtfLhnyh6gj0uO2e3c8c= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=opcQ1GU3orNuvOOmtmO688TxWSMeX9RSi+hrCz0IukebpdljX5xSiyNc1k+brNN7fczTIz4NAgC/vyqioXY6tc4FvOD/HFV359EHohqL3Kpd9x9bBOr3hKfLHoKPDx0bE5PQMu4Mug7ZaXEfX2oPD1el7qpV/9TGIMsssibZStU=; Message-ID: <161871.7382.qm@web28512.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9N3n0ywVM1nqCveLzDzQzrZ9qr73Sj1CRHN3RKkBtuZJZ_GXSZateJt1JdS6Mjh8uk2A78Hlcf1KpKop_F8897ohE47uwyvwkV38hllbwYNGd3GPTfZmUqr4_oyKqRCVfmm.knG4fJ2UVZtcadqMfGDXqlJZUquwWLmn99xgh7ieRTeVsHOWss9KtsrskmiugwpQ69RsELhRj05Dyn4wrQdpNkkrr7Cql2vl8EjbvoFJS0o84KDY_jJAFNqG9VRzP2OJUsVxO1FG0e6iS1O2YXviAacjJhFyRSFKTCeOF192B6D_0JHymVI- Received: from [80.6.43.68] by web28512.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 May 2009 07:32:39 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 07:32:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Osborn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-241418580-1241422359=:7382" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d221.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-241418580-1241422359=:7382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many thanks for all advice Jim, I'll have another happy day experimenting and implementing your suggestions. I've blown on the ferrite rod through the slot in the screening tube using a drinking straw but the output seems quite steady as a result of this= exercise. The oscillator output seems stable in both frequency and ampitude. Re the clipping of the AF stages, this seems not to be the problem and even=20= a flattish PP3 battery doesn't cause any significant change in output. Thanks again for your help. 73 Chris G3XIZ ________________________________ From: James Moritz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, 3 May, 2009 20:23:43 Subject: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Dear Chris, LF Group, Looking at the circuit, there are not that many possibilities for varying ga= in with temperature. The NE/SA 602/612 devices should be quite stable with temperature - the Phil= ips data shows less than 1dB variation over 0 - 70 degrees. But if the oscil= lator level is marginal, gain might vary more. The 741 output amplifier is working at high gain, and low supply voltage, so= might possibly be marginal. This would be worse if it were driven into clip= ping - unlikely if output V less than 1V RMS or so. The 2N3819 gain might vary quite a lot with temperature, depending on how it= is biased, and the particular specimen of 2N3819. The RC low-pass filter might show significant variation with temperature if=20= high-K ceramic capacitors with particularly wild temperature coefficients we= re used. The ferrite rod antenna is a possibility, especially if the tuning is fixed=20= as shown in the circuit diagram. The Q and temperature coefficient of these=20= can be quite high, so a temperature change could cause it to drift off frequ= ency and change the signal level - with a Q of 200, about 1kHz change in fre= quency would be sufficient. I would suggest doing a bit of signal tracing - for example, disconnecting t= he RF stage and injecting a signal directly into the mixer would eliminate t= he ferrite rod and 2N3819. Another possibility would be to try heating up co= mponents individually, e.g. with a fingertip or a soldering iron, to see whe= re large changes occur. Or, with the ferrite rod, try re-peaking the tuning=20= after changing the temperature to see if there has been a shift in the tunin= g. Hope this is helpful, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Osborn" To: "LF Group" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed =20 --0-241418580-1241422359=:7382 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Many thanks for all advice Jim,

I'll have another hap= py day experimenting and implementing your suggestions.
I've blown on the= ferrite rod through the slot in the screening tube
using a drinking stra= w but the output seems quite steady as a result of this exercise.

The= oscillator output seems stable in both frequency and ampitude.

Re th= e clipping of the AF stages, this seems not to be the problem and even a fla= ttish
PP3 battery doesn't cause any significant change in output.
Thanks again for your help.

73 Chris G3XIZ

From: James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.= com>
To: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org
Sent: S= unday, 3 May, 2009 20:23:43
Subject= : LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

Dear= Chris, LF Group,

Looking at the circuit, there are not that many pos= sibilities for varying gain with temperature.

The NE/SA 602/612 devic= es should be quite stable with temperature - the Philips data shows less tha= n 1dB variation over 0 - 70 degrees. But if the oscillator level is marginal= , gain might vary more.

The 741 output amplifier is working at high g= ain, and low supply voltage, so might possibly be marginal. This would be wo= rse if it were driven into clipping - unlikely if output V less than 1V RMS=20= or so.

The 2N3819 gain might vary quite a lot with temperature, depending on how it is biased, and the particular spe= cimen of 2N3819.

The RC low-pass filter might show significant variat= ion with temperature if high-K ceramic capacitors with particularly wild tem= perature coefficients were used.

The ferrite rod antenna is a possibi= lity, especially if the tuning is fixed as shown in the circuit diagram. The= Q and temperature coefficient of these can be quite high, so a temperature=20= change could cause it to drift off frequency and change the signal level - w= ith a Q of 200, about 1kHz change in frequency would be sufficient.

I= would suggest doing a bit of signal tracing - for example, disconnecting th= e RF stage and injecting a signal directly into the mixer would eliminate th= e ferrite rod and 2N3819. Another possibility would be to try heating up com= ponents individually, e.g. with a fingertip or a soldering iron, to see wher= e large changes occur. Or, with the ferrite rod, try re-peaking the tuning after changing the temperature to see if there has be= en a shift in the tuning.

Hope this is helpful,

Cheers, Jim Mo= ritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Osborn"= <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "LF Group" <rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM
Sub= ject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

--0-241418580-1241422359=:7382-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA023-8b24a0f0fc61a4; Sat, 16 May 2009 15:11:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA064-8b24a0f0fc61a4; Sat, 16 May 2009 15:11:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5PHA-00030c-NO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 20:10:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5PHA-00030T-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 20:10:28 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5PH8-0006px-2M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 20:10:28 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AloFAD+sDkpZ8ol1/2dsb2JhbACEUsw6hAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.137.117]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 20:10:18 +0100 Message-ID: <009501c9d659$f4019e70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003401c9d201$9fa60e30$6551e00a@bxi> <08D9E984C1E443FAB8F5D8A385CBFEBC@JimPC> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 20:10:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: WPF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Marcin Where are u nil so far. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 7:52 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: WPF > Dear Marcin, LF Group, > > Now (1850utc) QRV on 137.7kHz for the next few hours > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcin" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:27 AM > Subject: LF: Re: WPF > > >> Hello! >> Is there anyone to sked 136kHz? >> Plise about LF sked to saturday (16 may 2009); in the evening; QRSS or >> CW; >> 137,710kHz.. >> We have QRV on SP2KDS Club: JO94II ,1W EIRP, longwire antena 30m/110m. >> -- >> Vy 73! >> Marcin SQ2BXI >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2117 - Release Date: 05/15/09 17:55:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA013-a864a21158524e; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:16:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA086-a864a21158524e; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:16:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMXg-0000DY-Rw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:16:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMXg-0000DL-Er for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:16:00 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAMXb-00088m-M0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:16:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 1833 invoked by uid 0); 30 May 2009 11:15:49 -0000 Received: from 85.178.115.40 by www152.gmx.net with HTTP; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:15:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:15:49 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090530111549.308640@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19v2phbSHRvTjlHQH+ZvmIOOHKj2vSYE8uCRPGwDJ Czs7UOnkJ/SAHukszNq5GCrrLMzj6dS5sfZg== X-GMX-UID: C3hDHtdYbXB+VbuXDDQ2nw0iLyUmZQjw X-FuHaFi: 0.59 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: LF: RE: Information Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi! Also looking for crystals, last December I found out the following: http://andyquarz.de/ http://www.klove.nl/ http://www.bindel.ch/produkt/quarz/quarzosz.htm www.quarz-technik.de www.freqtech.com Although I havn't tested any of them so far, I can tell You that Mr Andy Fleischer at "Andyquarz" is a licensed ham, in the business for decades, he replies to emails, You might order even one single crystal there. Shipping outside Germany 9,50EUR. Hope it helps, and of course I'm interested in other suggestions. vy 73 Dennis DL6NVC Berlin -- Nur bis 31.05.: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate und Telefonanschluss nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-5524a07c5bf1a4; Mon, 11 May 2009 02:29:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF057-5524a07c5bf1a4; Mon, 11 May 2009 02:29:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Ozg-0003wP-8b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 07:28:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Ozf-0003wG-IC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 07:28:07 +0100 Received: from mx10.go2.pl ([193.17.41.74] helo=poczta.o2.pl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3Ozc-00043d-83 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 07:28:06 +0100 Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx10.go2.pl [127.0.0.1]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F695865F2A for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:27:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bxi (unknown [193.189.116.3]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:27:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003401c9d201$9fa60e30$6551e00a@bxi> From: "Marcin" To: References: Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:27:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: Re: WPF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello! Is there anyone to sked 136kHz? Plise about LF sked to saturday (16 may 2009); in the evening; QRSS or CW; 137,710kHz.. We have QRV on SP2KDS Club: JO94II ,1W EIRP, longwire antena 30m/110m. -- Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG012-9f14a20f2e07; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:48:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG013-9f14a20f2e07; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:48:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAKE3-0007lk-Kv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:47:35 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAKE2-0007lb-VH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:47:35 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAKE1-0007U7-1O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:47:34 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A8F7B8048 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 10:47:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4765F3862 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 10:47:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 844BD5975; Sat, 30 May 2009 10:47:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 89.110-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (89.110-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [217.136.110.89]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 30 May 2009 10:47:23 +0200 Message-ID: <20090530104723.9kgijndilgu80oo8@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:47:23 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20090529121437.120FDF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <846AFC8AED804851AE6CA1E83B356E9F@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <846AFC8AED804851AE6CA1E83B356E9F@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 217.136.110.89 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: modeling a loop Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_3a4hqvrnu3y8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --=_3a4hqvrnu3y8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Description: Platte-tekstversie van bericht Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear John, > This is my theory - At 0 degrees elevation, the far-field radiation > from a rectangular loop antenna is the same as that produced by 2 > vertical elements of the same dimensions as the vertical conductors in > the loops and carrying the same currents (other angles/shapes would be > similar, but would require resolving the horizontally and vertically > directed components of the current). In this 2-element vertical array, > both are carrying large currents, and the current in one is equal to > the other, but flowing in the opposite direction, and the spacing > between them is a very small fraction of a wavelength. The radiated > field at a large distance is the result of superimposing the seperate > contributions of these two vertical elements which, because of the > small spacing, almost but not quite cancel each other out (they do > cancel out at right angles to the plane of the loop of course). So the > radiated field, and so the radiation resistance, is a result of a small > difference between two relatively large numbers=A0 - the smaller the > length of the loop in wavelengths, the smaller the difference gets. > This is why you need much more current in a loop than a vertical of a > similar size. I agree. This method is also described in the "antenna bible" (by Kraus). I once did the math exercise and the result is correct. > I think the discrepancy in the simulated radiation resistance may be > caused by the limited precision of the calculations done by the > simulator - you would expect the effect of this to get worse as the > sides of the loop became smaller fractions of a wavelength. When I have > tried to simulate small loops in the past (using an old EZNEC), I have > had similar problems, and also simulation errors possibly for the same > kind of reason. I don't think NEC likes small loops of conductor much - > I have also had problems in the past when simulating a vertical with a > multi-wire top-load where the ends of the wires were connected together > - the simulation results had 1 amp in the uplead, but many amps > circulating through the top-loading wires. > > An experiment you could try is simulating larger loops to see if there > is a more accurate agreement between theory and simulation. > > There is also the effect of the ground plane - a small loop close to a > ground plane should have double the radiation resistance of one in free > space due to the effect of the "image" loop reflected in the ground > plane - I think this implies large currents flowing in the ground plane > under the loop, so it is another matter to what extent this actually > happens with a real ground plane. That makes sense. But how to explain that on the one end the loop benefits from the =20 ground (doubling of the free space radiation resistance while on the =20 other hand it seems not (or far less) to suffer from ground losses =20 (compared to a vertical). 73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe"=A0 > > To: > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:14 PM > Subject: LF: modeling a loop > > > >> >> I guess MMANA-GAL is not suited for modeling very small loops, is=A0 =20 >> there other software that can scope with this ? >> Before going into the effort of putting op the loop I would like =20 >> to=A0 have an idea of what to expect. >> >> 73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T >> >> --=_3a4hqvrnu3y8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Description: HTML versie van bericht Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear John,
> This is my theory -=20= At 0 degrees elevation, the far-field radiation
> from a rectangular loop antenna is the same as that produced by 2
> vertical elements of the same dimensions as the vertical conductors in
> the loops and carryi= ng the same currents (other angles/shapes would be
> similar, but would require resolving the horizontally and vertically
> directed compone= nts of the current). In this 2-element vertical array,
> both are carryi= ng large currents, and the current in one is equal to
> the other, but flowing in the opposite direction, and the spacing
> between them is= a very small fraction of a wavelength. The radiated
> field at a large distance is the result of superimposing the seperate
> contributions= of these two vertical elements which, because of the
> small spacing, almost but not quite cancel each other out (they do
> cancel out at right angles to the plane of the loop of course). So the
> radiated field, and so the radiation resistance, is a result of a small
> difference between two relatively large numbers=A0 - the smaller the
&g= t; length of the loop in wavelengths, the smaller the difference gets.
>= ; This is why you need much more current in a loop than a vertical of a
&= gt; similar size.
I agree. This method is also des= cribed in the "antenna bible" (by Kraus).
I once did the math exercise and the result is correct.

> I think the discrepancy in the simulat= ed radiation resistance may be
> caused by the limited precision of the calculations done by the
> simulator - you would expect the effect o= f this to get worse as the
> sides of the loop became smaller fraction= s of a wavelength. When I have
> tried to simulate small loops in the past (using an old EZNEC), I have
> had similar problems, and also simulation errors possibly for the same
> kind of reason. I don't th= ink NEC likes small loops of conductor much -
> I have also had problems= in the past when simulating a vertical with a
> multi-wire top-load whe= re the ends of the wires were connected together
> - the simulation results had 1 amp in the uplead, but many amps
> circulating through the top-loading wires.
>
> An experiment you could try is simulating larger loops to see if there
> is a more accurate agreeme= nt between theory and simulation.
>
> There is also the effect=20= of the ground plane - a small loop close to a
> ground plane should hav= e double the radiation resistance of one in free
> space due to the effect of the "image" loop reflected in the ground
> plane= - I think this implies large currents flowing in the ground plane
> un= der the loop, so it is another matter to what extent this actually
> hap= pens with a real ground plane.
That makes sense.
But how to explain that on the o= ne end the loop benefits from the ground (doubling of the free space radiation resistance while on the other hand it seems not (or far less) to suffer from ground losses (compared to a vertical).
73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe"=A0
> <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
> To= : <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:= 14 PM
> Subject: LF: modeling a loop
>
>
>
>>
>> I guess MMANA-GAL is not suited for modeling very small loops, is=A0
>> there other software that can scope with t= his ?
>> Before going into the effort of putting op the loop I would like to=A0
>> have an idea of what to expect.
>>
>> 73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T
>>
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--=_3a4hqvrnu3y8-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB043-ac04a1ab313397; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:03:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB046-ac04a1ab313397; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:02:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8bgS-0004ZP-JK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:01:48 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8bgS-0004ZG-72 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:01:48 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.67]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8bgQ-0005Ja-8j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:01:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 57493 invoked from network); 25 May 2009 15:01:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=E+QV6vNEpyZOugdZ4xU8zeqFG93AS8eIdlVjGaVKgEL8jBDxQygNMIylHkktRetp4NYGt6pV+KkTBIacEZx3Uv2CrzzLRAR4BYCxPNX+O8mk9zVv+cYJOcMzqHupS7jb80mc7NldqiCEczHy49aVUupowYBxZPaMcVn53/OLh+k= ; Received: from unknown (HELO 64683d74b6134b3) (robertgjbennett@81.151.200.98 with login) by smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2009 15:01:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Rfmcog4VM1mJJmyuL6bzkAxSco.I4I8AGfwP1NgpAOhgl8b0R8YYqNkk.ywxVlH7eo4hRDUjtpOSvrcspyDseuVUcAExHNbM1EcKa9NJiYdm1kJl0UPUJM.QAqFEz0S.7ziYRjz7hl0DY24PtdYvA9CCS0vOBMlyjYH6.opw2Q_QDTl9YVJwailP7dczdVscR6igDl1zw5oKNE.A4zy7ZvyDHVXmRdGRHJSjBSlTllZzdzEMrQfjdhspmMQA5B2KJSeGaVPxv8J7oOc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <84D65F58F723418B8DC8672A3B10C875@64683d74b6134b3> From: "Robert Bennett" To: References: <4A19A7E4.4030606@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:01:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Re: Monday activity 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard I know this is a bit off topic, but rather than going up in altitude, had you considered going down? It is over 20 years since I was last in your part of the world, but as I remember it there is quite a large area of salt marsh at Pagham, a few miles further along the coast. An aerial with its feet in that might be an interesting proposition. 73 Robert From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD073-b5a4a1fa77f2ef; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:14:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD014-b5a4a1fa77f2ef; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:14:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9yA5-0004IS-N3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:14:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9yA5-0004IJ-6w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:14:01 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9yA2-0000nz-Ch for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:14:01 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgoFAPxDH0pOkIPp/2dsb2JhbACEWcoTgjmBUwU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.131.233]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 10:13:50 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c9e03d$c8186a80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003201c9df81$e9e4c8f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905280624k3bd34499he4b67d5af33bae52@mail.gmail.com> <004d01c9dfa8$f0ac6720$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905281140o142123fet2f380a6bee784245@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:13:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332 Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Warren This tuner that I have contains and additional unit on the left hand side but in the same box. The extra unit has a antenna terminal, white ceramic like the other large one and a vacuum relay behind it, antenna change over relay. Must be a late model or variation but not mentioned in any documents. I got the unit in GI land so I expect it came from one of the ex RAF/USAF bases in the area like TOOME, CLONTOE or one of the others. Some of the old USAF buildings are still standing at these bases. If you want a photo of the unit let me know. 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF Mal, There is only ONE B-29 that is still considered airworthy (out of nearly 4,000 B-29's built). The one airworthy B-29 "Fifi" is in need of an engine overhaul. http://www.cavanaughflightmuseum.com/B-29_B-24_Press_Release_1-21-08 I have seen the Enola Gay at the Air and Space Museum's Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center at Dulles Airport outside of Washington, D.C. http://collections.nasm.si.edu/code/emuseum.asp?profile=objects&newstyle=single&quicksearch=A19500100000 I have a photo of the Enola Gay signed by Col. Tibbets as well. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:28 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > Interesting info Warren. > All of my old Airforce equipment RAF and USAF is in very good condx.and I > know how to use it. > All I need is a B29 to check it out AIR to GROUND. > Mal/G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF > > >> The BC-306 tuning is a good one too. Inside it is a tapped coil + >> variometer, maximum inductance about 1.2 mH. >> >> http://www.questmasters.us/B-24_Page_3.html >> http://eshop1.chem.buffalo.edu/600-Meter-TX.html >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> WD2XGJ >> WD2XSH/23 >> WE2XEB/2 >> WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 6:47 AM, mal hamilton >> wrote: >>> >>> Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 called MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER >>> AIRCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with 200 feet trailing >>> wire >>> antenna. >>> Contains variometer, switches and vac relay. >>> I have a nice specimen at my QTH. >>> Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching. >>> Maybe someone has used one in a B29 >>> >>> G3KEV >>> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/27/09 > 18:21:00 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/27/09 18:21:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (rly-mc10.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.94]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC074-d9c4a049ea23df; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:05:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC104-d9c4a049ea23df; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:05:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2XFh-0007HS-GN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:05:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2XFh-0007HJ-4S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:05:05 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr14.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.132]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2XFZ-0001Yb-6x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:05:05 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2bthomr14.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DCQ98338; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:03:36 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A049E2B.4040209@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 22:03:39 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr14.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0205.4A049E28.046A,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Richard Newstead wrote: > > Still, I'm making progress. > > 500kHz transmitter completed - not a bad one evening project. Power 12W on 12V. Off to bed. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME044-9cc4a04a63d1ab; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:38:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME078-9cc4a04a63d1ab; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:38:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Xl8-0007aC-Ed for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:37:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Xl8-0007a3-0I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:37:34 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Xl6-000158-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:37:33 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0FF51C002 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 23:37:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B91631E702 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 23:37:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 60A4D5BFF; Fri, 8 May 2009 23:37:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 236.106-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (236.106-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [217.136.106.236]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 08 May 2009 23:37:22 +0200 Message-ID: <20090508233722.rtzv6nsxw9j4wsgc@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 23:37:22 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> <00b101c9d01b$bbd34790$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 217.136.106.236 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, good copy now: oklee ..slight slip .. but all back ok .. fine on the tx , well =20 160 should give a good signal , ok on the pic , yes wire it over =20 iedta oa@hotmail.com after the gb4fpr night of cw ..ive not used cw since hihi .. =20 took 4 op.ea osEVwizk"brr 45 mins .. thzH the longest cq i have =20 seen hihi ebtu m0lmh de g0nbd k 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Graham : > Ok Gary > > Ive never used this mode , but looks like a good narrow system , would > go via most cw filters ? > may of seen it on 160 ? > > G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gary - G4WGT" > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:29 PM > To: > Subject: RE: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > >> Graham, LF, >> >> It looks a little over the 100Hz bandwidth, viewing using Fldigi & SpecLa= b >> it looks to 120Hz. >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham >> Sent: 08 May 2009 21:10 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent >> >> Ok Gary , >> >> What do you make the BW ? looks to be just 100 Hz close in >> >> ? >> >> Tnx - G .. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Gary - G4WGT" >> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:59 PM >> To: >> Subject: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent >> >>> >>> Hi Graham, LF, >>> >>> Coming in here no problem. >>> >>> CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>> CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>> qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham >>> Sent: 08 May 2009 20:05 >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: LF: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent >>> >>> >>> Narrow , MFSK 4 running 503.000 cent freq >>> >>> tx set 502.000 usb / 1000 hz audio cent >>> >>> FLDIGI software >>> >>> 100 Hz bw ? how wide do you make it ? >>> >>> tnx- Graham >>> >>> G0NBD >>> >>> IO83LK >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2103 - Release Date: 05/07/= 09 >> >>> 18:05:00 >>> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: =20 >> 05/08/09 11:43:00 >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG093-a104a045fee25b; Fri, 08 May 2009 12:38:18 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG052-a104a045fee25b; Fri, 08 May 2009 12:38:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2T4f-0005WA-K5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:37:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2T4f-0005W1-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:37:25 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f180.google.com ([209.85.219.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2T4b-0005aE-W7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:37:24 +0100 Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so2314443ewy.4 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 09:36:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CnM8iytMhRXO0grdtIQWdeTmZOkAomulLTDOO5mpNkA=; b=aBZYTVl49z7F6JmZiM6FeHJlQVHWXZHVW9yCg5KkCZb8eDJ9eVy1cF1lXlXEEHFbsW SuGVYOnw2UQyV3mPmYoFdf7jvu4FAVVIu4kdgBoe09pD9EB3Fkxosw4JEuVey2xtJP6B 07Ofbvi0TaSPtQ80qI2DCMMUxRjL14fD987fk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=kAAcOUkAbQ31EpbirmkZ8p7ipEyRYuyQohovk6RYxcrRPlXReeVyI5cvUdOjThMYVF uy0UAV+e+dfOVi3dX/O4hpkd45LzqGmzxPVP4gOliJhfEaslkzTvTcDWF0FN7KXm5VXu HblQgI+bnUrTswAjQJyPBqMfDnyUCegsSWepE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.46.79 with SMTP id q57mr1664387web.62.1241800576371; Fri, 08 May 2009 09:36:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:36:16 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367b6e303c8bac0469693a7d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m213.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016367b6e303c8bac0469693a7d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard I think most are "VFO" controlled... Centre of activity appears to be between 502-503 with beacony things nearer the edges. If you came up on 502.5 you wouldn't go far wrong! Dave. 2009/5/8 Richard Newstead > Dear all > > My transmitter is progressing nicely. Where should I aim for in the band? I > assume that some frequencies are "taken"? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --0016367b6e303c8bac0469693a7d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Richard

I think most are "VFO" controlled... Centre of acti= vity appears to be between 502-503 with beacony things nearer the edges. If=20= you came up on 502.5 you wouldn't go far wrong!

Dave.

2009/5/8 Richard Newstead <<= a href=3D"mailto:g3cwi@btconnect.com">g3cwi@btconnect.com>
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Dear all

My transmitter is progressing nicely. Where should I aim for in the band? I=20= assume that some frequencies are "taken"?

73

Richard
G3CWI

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G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham=20= UK
--0016367b6e303c8bac0469693a7d-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB063-aaf49fab51b30f; Fri, 01 May 2009 04:39:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB025-aaf49fab51b30f; Fri, 01 May 2009 04:38:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LzoFW-00030k-7Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 09:37:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LzoFV-00030b-Sg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 09:37:37 +0100 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LzoFT-00030j-D2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 09:37:37 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KIY002Q6IMFFB@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 10:37:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 10:37:30 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <6821F9090A004FD49E71A5A0E0145C9A@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AFJ 01-05.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GMeGDIJ9lLpWqXjgCaJnlQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_GMeGDIJ9lLpWqXjgCaJnlQ) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_F5IKCQWgASUGNR5qdRhonQ)" --Boundary_(ID_F5IKCQWgASUGNR5qdRhonQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Jean-Pierre,Lf capture AFJ 10:30 local time Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: AFJ 01-05.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_F5IKCQWgASUGNR5qdRhonQ) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi Jean-Pierre,Lf

capture AFJ 10:30 local time

Henny pa3cpm

best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
AFJ 01-05.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC074-d614a1db70a9f; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:56:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC031-d614a1db70a9f; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:56:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9R61-0000eq-Jt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:55:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9R61-0000eh-70 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:55:37 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9R5y-0005un-LG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:55:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 13284 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2009 21:55:28 -0000 Received: from 85.178.103.129 by www186.gmx.net with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:55:27 +0200 (CEST) Cc: begu@algonet.se Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:55:27 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: <20090527210111.259810@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20090527215527.259790@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002c01c9df02$ed931da0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20090527210111.259810@gmx.net> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19ZC0x3OmxZoyCjqXa5jVap4khJm+iVILZfjoyArt bnO1yXnS9V8yHd+O58sp1TvB+FQ+Eg3h3ZQg== X-GMX-UID: +I4ofjAvRkkNEKqfTWRqHXVudWkvKFMM X-FuHaFi: 0.5 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: LF: report Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:01:11 +0200 > Von: "Dennis" > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: ssb , now somebody on 506 CW > > > Datum: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:38:48 +0100 > > Von: "mal hamilton" > > Betreff: LF: ssb > > > SM6BHZ 57 on USB 505 Khz at 1938 utc > > G3KEV > > > Thanks Mal! > After reading this coming back home abt. 20:30Z, I quickly modified the > RX-setup for 500khz. No SSB heard so far, but there is some weak but > sometimes audible (RST 239) CW on 506kHz! Who is it? > > 73 > Dennis > JO62RM > > > > > > > > > -- > Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + > Telefonanschluss f�r nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss f�r nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD014-b7a4a116e7a122; Mon, 18 May 2009 10:19:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD054-b7a4a116e7a122; Mon, 18 May 2009 10:19:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M63fo-0000Rt-TS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:18:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M63fo-0000Rk-If for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:18:36 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M63fl-0002Vm-8u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:18:35 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529D27B8050 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:17:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34984F3862 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:17:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:17:56 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: <4A1086FB.3050401@ukonline.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090518141752.34984F3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 >Still, Hiroshi's transmitting on 136.9 CW and Ive left my grabber >on there on slow speed to see if I can detect anything after dusk >tonight - its a +-2000Kms all water path save Korea and a bumpy bit >as it crosses Japan - as hes on the East Coast, and yes Ill have >the volume up as well... Even with 25W and a rather small antenna 2000km should be possible in QRS10 or QRS30 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG082-9fc49ff602027f; Mon, 04 May 2009 17:37:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG026-9fc49ff602027f; Mon, 04 May 2009 17:37:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M15qT-0007gc-7c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:37:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M15qS-0007gT-QA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:37:04 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M15qR-0003hc-1l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:37:04 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4338B51C002 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 23:36:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F417DF3862 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 23:36:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 644C757C5; Mon, 4 May 2009 23:36:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 83.189-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (83.189-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.189.83]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:36:50 +0200 Message-ID: <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 23:36:50 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.189.83 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gary, call the is almost right, locator completely. But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for =20 the last 2 minutes or so. I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further =20 changes, not sure that this is the best mode. So any advice is welcome. I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors =20 and options. I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz =20 bandwidth. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi Rik, > > This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & locator > :- > > RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: rtty test > > dear all, > > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC > Reports and/or reply welcome. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG073-a1a49ff4eeb307; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:24:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG064-a1a49ff4eeb307; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:24:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M14hM-0006mV-Gc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:23:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M14hM-0006mM-18 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:23:36 +0100 Received: from web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([87.248.110.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M14hL-0003BZ-DL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:23:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 98269 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2009 20:23:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1241468609; bh=VLNrnKOoDb1xXk/mMkb02lMNvcBvmsFzWdLAf7u56c4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hoHVISBeCgpyiM/0q7T09ymoWGxfTDOqrQnb6PG6/tOU3exwYFjtsdf5M+oeBPkgduRSHl2Xf7VG2mnmgRx+ryCPp7GNiotiFQKwPJ10JlMID3N6KnjawSJ1F7yxwfMCaNotKzwyK0WTncwJiCnUoFx7uQ1VuU2pyRTwLaiShZk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jIF58XIr3/mgH0NG19aM6m7+v/HgN1SBi9LijMul+Pw5GyGFkll5nCIXJREWw7RoF4skYrDFB7xqQaZUnFpnmM5P1htecz3eZCtiV8dn0ZWZxvp6cBK+cjmAwEehpfhev+6vuY9alw09BldMr3AY5XeS2UB7eBq43yWXT0rOoLg=; Message-ID: <106017.93017.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mWHjvEkVM1mDnkV.M.n0m6mHtVZBktQzmIkBJRgpjws9bXkOmCFd2r5.ChWRlQKUzDtYSnAw2krlfR4KcasWA0hC5Qc7pDC12iXfFo.dy368YZkBQX0PJlSLmW80oCOTHYfaug5ZvtGEgkDuavUUnnWdT6yHOr7G8lVcBn8FPXLDjA2vdd8xVsmZGM5fjIsVwyIyX_uGejSZN1QmSc2MYpkzf1hjoZV4gPDPq8dYLxLGkS37SJ5pqz5grCVJUOOAA_VhugDoDg7YoB3m7CzKyuV2gyms2ZqgeNuLyzvSSmwagNAAYgJKmA-- Received: from [80.6.43.68] by web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 May 2009 20:23:28 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8bf118410905040810m1fb41016pab9a1c0a7c79bf06@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 20:23:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Osborn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <8bf118410905040810m1fb41016pab9a1c0a7c79bf06@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-264717085-1241468608=:93017" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d230.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-264717085-1241468608=:93017 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks again Dave and Alan, I've spent a few more hours on the F/S meter today and still have not found=20= the problem. I can blow with a drinking straw on any component and there's very little output change yet with time there's a slow drift with temperature - the outp= ut goes up with increased temperature. I thought I'd found the problem as by squeezing the ferrite rod 's screening= tube I could get a fair change in the output (about 10 %). The tube's metal is not aluminium but I guess an aluminium alloy. In any case I changed it for a proper aluminium tube - no difference ! >From the shack's temperature of 23 degrees and taking the F/S meter outside= to an ambient=20 13 degrees the meter's output changed from 0.48 volts to 0.35 volts !! I have run out of ideas now and am thinking maybe it's even the permeability= of the die cast box that's changing or maybe the perspex end caps of the ferrite rod. . . . I'm=20= getting desperate ! 73 Chris G3XIZ ________________________________ From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, 4 May, 2009 16:10:26 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Chris Have you tried a can of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies?=20= Is it the ferrite aerial or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain= then a little negative feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-deco= upled source resistor. Dave 'YXM 2009/5/3 Chris Osborn LF, I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook), modified for use on the 500 kHz band. I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering availabl= e components, the differences being: a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published varicaps. b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the publish= ed LW coil. I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet=20= the=20 field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and c= an vary up to 30 %. I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've spent= hours trying to correct it. 73 Chris G3XIZ --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK =20 --0-264717085-1241468608=:93017 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks again Dave and Alan,

I've spent a few more hou= rs on the F/S meter today and still have not found the problem.
I can blo= w with a drinking straw on any component and there's very little
output change yet with time there= 's a slow drift with temperature - the output goes up
with increased temp= erature.

I thought I'd found the problem as by squeezing the ferrite=20= rod 's screening tube
I could get a fair change in the output (about 10 %= ).
The tube's metal is not aluminium but I guess an aluminium alloy.
I= n any case I changed it for a proper aluminium tube - no difference !
From the shack's temperature of 23 degrees and taking the F/S meter o= utside to an ambient
13 degrees the meter's output changed from 0.48 volts to 0.35 volts !!

I have run out of ideas now a= nd am thinking maybe it's even the permeability of the die cast box
that'= s changing or maybe the perspex end caps of the ferrite rod. . . . I'm getti= ng desperate !

73 Chris G3XIZ

= From: Dave Pick <daveyxm@googlemail.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 4 May, 2009 16:10:= 26
Subject: Re: LF: Fiel= d Strength Meter - advice needed

Chris

Have you tried a= can of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies? Is it the ferrit= e aerial or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain then a little ne= gative feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-decoupled source resi= stor.

Dave 'YXM

2009/5/3 Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>

LF,

I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (= LF Experimenters' Handbook),
modified for use on the 500 kHz band.

I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering avai= lable components,
the differences being:
a) I have used a small variab= le capacitor instead of the published varicaps.
b) I used a JFET 2N3819 i= n the front end instead of dual gate mosfets.
c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the publish= ed LW coil.

I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable=20= magnetic field yet the
field strength meter's output voltage is very dep= endent on temperature and can vary up to
30 %.

I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem=20= as I've spent hours trying
to correct it.

73 Chris G3XIZ

--
G3YXM IO92BK= Birmingham UK

--0-264717085-1241468608=:93017-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB102-aa64a1929081aa; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:01:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB014-aa64a1929081aa; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:01:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8BRs-0007SW-Oq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:01:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8BRs-0007SN-6c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:01:00 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8BRp-0006Tc-RU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:01:00 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsEABDGGEpZ8+0p/2dsb2JhbACEVMtFhAsF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.243.237.41]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 11:59:30 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:59:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Jim I did not say an inv L virtually lying on the ground as in Richards case(1 METRE ABOVE GROUND), this is more like a beverage antenna. I did say as much vertical as possible and let the so called horizontal taper towards earth. The far end as high as possible tied via insulator to a bush or stake, say a few metres above ground. Depending on the vert height you might not get much horizontal out before its too low, so it needs a sensible approach. Use the loading coil to resonate and match the TX. Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: LF: Re: First Portable Trip > Dear Richard, LF Group, > > >> Not a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section >> fed >> against 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was >> very >> low - within 1 metre of the ground. >> > (Mal seems to have started something here - I have always thought of an > inverted L as having a roughly horizontal span, rather than being a > sloping > wire!) To get the maximum effective height, radiation resistance and > therefore efficiency, the important dimension of the antenna is height - > essentially the average height of all the wire making up the antenna. The > long section at very low height is therefore counterproductive - it will > reduce the effective height, and also increase the loss resistance. So it > would be better to eliminate the last 100ft or more, and increase the > inductance of the loading coil. If it is necessary to have that overall > length to reach an available fixing point or something, use non-conducting > string. Also, with a single span of wire and a single mast, you will > probably get greater average height if you support the wire in the middle > in > an inverted-V shape. > > I am not sure about the radials - there is a similar length of wire in the > radials as there is in the antenna itself, so you could expect a > significant > RF voltage between the radials and the actual ground, which would not help > matching or losses. Longer radials, more of them, or ground rods would > probably be a good idea. > >> Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried >> tapping >> the feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q >> dramatically > > The tapped loading coil type of antenna tuner with the TX connected to a > low-impedance tap is one of those devices that looks appealingly simple, > but > isn't! The impedance match depends on the inductance of the complete > loading > coil, the inductance of the tapped section and the mutual inductance > between > the tapped section and the rest of the coil. These in turn depend on the > shape, size and winding pitch of the coil as well as the number of turns. > I > made a spreadsheet that would calculate the impedance match for a tapped > loading coil (downloadable from http://www.wireless.org.uk/features.htm), > but suffice it to say that there are limits to the range of resistance > that > can be matched with a particular coil geometry. By "link configuration" I > assume you mean the loading coil has a low impedance link winding over it, > connected to the TX. This is similar to the tapped coil, but adds further > variables into the mix, due to the different size and pitch of the link > coil. I have not done the calculations for the link case, which will be > similar to the tapped coil, but generally the mutual inductance will be > less, which will reduce the maximum resistance that can be matched. What > all > this means is that it is quite possible that your coil has the correct > inductance, but at the same time it is impossible to match the antenna > resistance using it. This is likely if the antenna loss resistance is > high; > you need a "short, fat" loading coil (large diameter with fine winding > pitch) to match a high resistance. I prefer to use a seperate loading coil > and matching transformer; resistance and reactance are then almost > independent of each other, and you only have to worry about the inductance > of the coil and the turns ratio of the transformer. > >> Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible >> "line-timebase" type burble drifting across band. > > This is a problem most of us have had - several portable expeditions have > put out big signals, but not been able to receive much. I have spent much > more time trying to get good reception than setting up TX antennas, and > often it is not possible to get good transmission and reception with the > same antenna. There is always a temptation to try to get QRV as soon as > possible, but a bit of reconnaisance with a receiver first is always a > good > idea. > > Hope to hear you /P soon, > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 07:00:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME021-9b14a073f8876; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:56:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME045-9b14a073f8876; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:56:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3G3w-0001hI-VK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:55:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3G3w-0001h9-H3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:55:56 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3G3s-0002Bs-Tq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:55:55 +0100 X-Trace: 192922621/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvgEAJbbBkpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTYQWsSIJjUYHgkSBMwU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,324,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="192922621" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 10 May 2009 21:55:50 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:55:48 +0100 Message-ID: <00ad01c9d1b1$b2ee5470$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcnRr6Lx0B7D37L7Sv6m7guMxWzEdgAAeXHQ X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham, LF, In an attempt to reduce the signal further I have connected to my Sandpiper HF vertical. Now receiving with 50db attenuation & the signals are barely audible through the speaker & barely visible on the Fldigi waterfall. There is no copy from the MFSK4 signal with just a little from ThrobX2 & PSK31. I am receiving more complete words from ThrobX2 than PSK31 making ThrobX2 the marginal winner of the test, at least in my case. A very interesting & useful test. 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 10 May 2009 21:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later All Getting reports of a qrss cw signal on 502.7 , if this is causing problems , I can qsy hf if needed hope the test is useful Tnx- Graham -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:51 PM To: Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream > same text , 60 sec repeat .. > > > PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz = 503.20k cent rf > > MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz = 503,00k cent rf > > ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz = 502.70 k cent rf > > > Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' > lock > up time ? > > Graham > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Graham" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM > To: > Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > >> >> All, >> >> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >> >> G .. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Graham" >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >> To: >> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >> >>> >>> All >>> >>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>> >>> Tx set >>> >>> Dial 501.000 >>> mode usb >>> >>> FLDIGI software >> >> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>> >>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>> >>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>> >>> Power 40 watts per stream >>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>> >>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>> >>> Reports welcome >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>> 05/09/09 >>> 06:54:00 >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >> 05/09/09 >> 06:54:00 >> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF033-54f4a2151f421e; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:34:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF054-54f4a2151f421e; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:34:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAQZ2-0002CL-Ue for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:33:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAQZ2-0002CC-Jz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:33:40 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpm-eml108.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.12]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAQYz-0006mB-JK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:33:39 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 ([81.204.139.159]) by CPSMTPM-EML108.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Sat, 30 May 2009 17:33:31 +0200 Message-ID: <2187B4BC54D94552AC2945A71969F41D@ns94d01ae4d850> From: "henny van elst" To: References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> <88d2415e0905300406p54cf1d54o14cbfebabf5f5216@mail.gmail.com> <4A214F8E.3090002@online.fr> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:33:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2009 15:33:32.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCF7AD20:01C9E13B] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Re: CQ P3CPM now Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 tu Jean-Pierre, henny cpm best 73s ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jean-Pierre M�r� (F1AFJ)"" To: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:23 PM Subject: LF: CQ P3CPM now > Not QRSS3 => QRSS10 !!!!!! > > Hello Henny , > > Good copy of your Signal in QRSS3 now ! > > Sorry not qrv at this moment . > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2142 - Release Date: 05/29/09 17:53:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (rly-mc01.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.85]) by air-mc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC054-d534a07356613; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:13:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC013-d534a07356613; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:13:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3FOJ-0001Is-Oy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:12:55 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3FOJ-0001Ij-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:12:55 +0100 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3FOI-0001P4-KL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:12:55 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.17] (helo=7.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #91) id 1M3FNJ-00073E-7K; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:11:53 +0200 Received: from w0e74.w.pppool.de ([89.58.14.116]:1122 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 7.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M3FNI-0007io-SG; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:11:53 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Cc: "'Gus'" References: <855872902@web.de> <9A0842CDDA28439A8A64FA2C67707372@DR2> <17C98B5BFA934507A584B37BB683BDF9@radiorummet> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:12:00 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <17C98B5BFA934507A584B37BB683BDF9@radiorummet> Thread-Index: AcnHbHLxDWeKGTDWQ6y9lmRcbEAMRQKPo50g X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,BLANK_LINES_70_80=1.236 Subject: LF: Reception Report: CQ Call SM6BHZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BLANK_LINES_70_80 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Gus, LF Reception Report of CQ Call from SM6BHZ in regular CW-Mode: Signal about 549 in JN59LN; 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) ================================================ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG024-5fd4a02f14f2e8; Thu, 07 May 2009 10:34:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG108-5fd4a02f14f2e8; Thu, 07 May 2009 10:33:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M24eG-0001kP-R2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:32:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M24eG-0001kG-EV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:32:32 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M24eD-0006LE-D0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:32:31 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai0GADiOAkpOlzUv/2dsb2JhbACEUMxnhAMF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.151.53.47]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 07 May 2009 15:32:12 +0100 Message-ID: <002801c9cf20$9c4dfe70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <008501c9ce63$c07ecf30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905061229w6c853f60w291cca01c39eec09@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:32:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Decca 5501Jeep Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Read what I said I said 120, 240 or FSK where the duty cyle is high. I did not mention 60!!!!!!!!!! G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: Re: LF: Decca 5501Jeep Mal, You couldn't be more wrong!!! I have been running a Decca in QRSS 60 for several years now at full power + often overnight and occasionally for days at time with ZERO transmitter failures. The Decca runs cool at 1.4 - 1.5 kW DC input. Perhaps you are not allowing for sufficient air circulation through the heat sinks. My Decca is in a rack with plenty of clearance above and below for the air to circulate. I don't think that it's a good idea to run the Decca sitting on a table as I've seen done in some shack pictures. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > The old decca Jeep 5501 cannot strand LMCW 120, 240 or dfcw for long, 3 or > 10 sec dot or normal cw is about their limit on full power. > I have 2 units (6 modules) but prefer my home brew with robust FETS on 137 > Khz. > I likewise have a h/brew fet pa for 500 Khz class E and it is virtually > indestructable when correctly adjusted using a scope. > > G3KEV -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.19/2099 - Release Date: 05/05/09 13:07:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME021-9be4a09cc73ea; Tue, 12 May 2009 15:22:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME062-9be4a09cc73ea; Tue, 12 May 2009 15:22:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3xXy-0005HO-W8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:21:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3xXy-0005HF-Kf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:21:50 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3xXw-0003ia-CO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:21:50 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AggGAK9pCUpOkJl5/2dsb2JhbACCJyyBfYRbgmMGwXKEAgU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.153.121]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 20:21:43 +0100 Message-ID: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 20:21:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 acty Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C9D33F.4398AF50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C9D33F.4398AF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G3CWI and G3KEV all on hi speed CW. Mal/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C9D33F.4398AF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G3CWI a= nd G3KEV=20 all on hi speed CW.

Mal/G3KEV

------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C9D33F.4398AF50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG053-a124a1439191e7; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:09:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG054-a124a1439191e7; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:08:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6pGt-0003rf-Ah for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 18:08:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6pGs-0003rW-Vi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 18:08:02 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s41.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6pGq-0002g4-NZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 18:08:02 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W44 ([64.4.56.144]) by bay0-omc3-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 May 2009 10:07:50 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 19:07:50 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2009 17:07:50.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[81A4E5A0:01C9D96D] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_48fd9084-3f4d-4c4a-84d6-eeccaaab3b63_" Subject: LF: XGJ_090520 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_48fd9084-3f4d-4c4a-84d6-eeccaaab3b63_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF! I had switched my receiver on about one hour before sunrise and I saw nice s= ignal XGJ. It was very interesting. I will try receive your signal this nigh= t as well. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS _________________________________________________________________ P=F8et=E1hn=ECte si fotografie p=F8=EDmo do chatu v Messenger. Jak se do d= =ECl=E1. http://download.live.com/messenger=3D --_48fd9084-3f4d-4c4a-84d6-eeccaaab3b63_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF!
I had switched my receiver on about one hour before sun= rise and I saw nice signal XGJ. It was very interesting. I will try receive=20= your signal this night as well.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu=20= Klikni zde! =3D --_48fd9084-3f4d-4c4a-84d6-eeccaaab3b63_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB051-abb4a0212da30a; Wed, 06 May 2009 18:45:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB041-abb4a0212da30a; Wed, 06 May 2009 18:44:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1pq9-0000TT-Dv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 23:43:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1pq9-0000TK-19 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 23:43:49 +0100 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1pq7-0007On-74 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 23:43:48 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.13] (helo=3.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #88) id 1M1pq6-0000bj-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 00:43:46 +0200 Received: from w33ee.w.pppool.de ([89.58.51.238]:1602 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 3.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M1pq5-0005gn-Hu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 00:43:46 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A020399.70309@toya.net.pl> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 00:43:44 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcnOlYrsUmILW8C4ROmyQH6l8nxhBQABl7nQ X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: AW: Re: wspr r1.12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hey Gus, not bad...... 2240 -5 1.1 0.504521 -1 SM6BHZ JO57 30 Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2009 23:57 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: wspr r1.12 Peter and group, I just run the new release, dial 503 kHz tx 504,5 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Piotr M=B3ynarski" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:39 PM Subject: LF: wspr r1.12 > Hello LF Group, > a new release of wspr software ( v1.12) is available to download from=20 > wsjt home pages > now you can type in the LF/MF frequencies without problems which were=20 > present in the 1.11 version > > 73 de peter,=20 > sq7mpj > qth: lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (rly-mc05.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.89]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC082-d754a0860982b2; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:30:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC055-d754a0860982b2; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:30:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3ZJU-0005lv-O6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:29:16 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3ZJU-0005lm-6F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:29:16 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3ZJS-0004uZ-BU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:29:16 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswEALL9B0pOkKUV/2dsb2JhbACEUMhUhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.165.21]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 11 May 2009 18:29:06 +0100 Message-ID: <008f01c9d25d$fca78bc0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003401c9d201$9fa60e30$6551e00a@bxi> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:28:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: WPF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Marcin Will look out for u if possible on CW and qrs3 depending on ur signal. A qso should be possible. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcin" To: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: LF: Re: WPF > Hello! > Is there anyone to sked 136kHz? > Plise about LF sked to saturday (16 may 2009); in the evening; QRSS or CW; > 137,710kHz.. > We have QRV on SP2KDS Club: JO94II ,1W EIRP, longwire antena 30m/110m. > -- > Vy 73! > Marcin SQ2BXI > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 11:43:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB073-aee4a00a59b1; Tue, 05 May 2009 16:46:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB104-aee4a00a59b1; Tue, 05 May 2009 16:46:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1RWQ-0003Kh-Vu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:45:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1RWQ-0003KY-9E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:45:50 +0100 Received: from mout5.freenet.de ([195.4.92.95]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1RWP-0006NW-BC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:45:50 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.17] (helo=7.mx.freenet.de) by mout5.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #89) id 1M1RWO-0002HI-37 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:45:48 +0200 Received: from w0464.w.pppool.de ([89.58.4.100]:1327 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 7.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M1RWN-0007tM-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:45:48 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:45:43 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnNvrpPKZrtSmtzTiucWasGazeOXwAA1POw X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC =20 and listen inbetween. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Rik Strobbe : > Hello Gary, LF, > > I just had a first transmission. > I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my > signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > >> OK Rik, >> >> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor, I >> normally use TrueTTY. >> >> Thanks for the info. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Gary, LF, >> >> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >> The way I did it: >> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >> is the audio frequency you get) >> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR BPF >> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >> do that in the main screen. >> >> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >> forget to select reverse mode). >> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >> >> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>> Hello Gary, >>> >>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>> provide a robust signal. >>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>> Hi Rik, >>>> >>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal needs >> to >>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>> partial decode. >>>> >>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>> >>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using >> 85Hz. >>>> >>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Hello Gary, >>>> >>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>>> and options. >>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>> bandwidth. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>> >>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>> >>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >> locator >>>>> :- >>>>> >>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> dear all, >>>>> >>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >> 21UTC >>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF082-9454a214f5e2f4; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:23:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF023-9454a214f5e2f4; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:23:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAQNt-0001u0-32 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:22:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAQNs-0001tr-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:22:08 +0100 Received: from smtp5-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAQNo-0006fk-UH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:22:07 +0100 Received: from smtp5-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53A4D48070 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:22:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp5-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42A0D4800D for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:21:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A214F17.50407@online.fr> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:21:59 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> <88d2415e0905300406p54cf1d54o14cbfebabf5f5216@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905300406p54cf1d54o14cbfebabf5f5216@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: CQ P3CPM now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Henny , Good copy of your Signal in QRSS3 now ! Sorry not qrv at this moment . 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (rly-ma04.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.48]) by air-ma01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA012-8a349fbf16c350; Sat, 02 May 2009 03:08:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA045-8a349fbf16c350; Sat, 02 May 2009 03:08:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M09K3-0005ve-QQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 08:07:43 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M09K3-0005vT-Ed for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 08:07:43 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s17.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.28]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M09K2-0003sl-1b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 08:07:43 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W1 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s17.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 May 2009 00:07:35 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [117.12.236.125] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 23:07:35 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2009 07:07:35.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABC1DE10:01C9CAF4] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8f554c3c-9e56-4103-b66b-cefb01b9dc49_" Subject: LF: Japan X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_8f554c3c-9e56-4103-b66b-cefb01b9dc49_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From 7L1RLL "A new 3.1KHz band width from 135.7KHz to 137.8KHz is assigned f= or amateur radio in Japan since March 30 2009." 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<= hr />Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. See how. =3D --_8f554c3c-9e56-4103-b66b-cefb01b9dc49_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC073-b3349fb8507376; Fri, 01 May 2009 19:26:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC077-b3349fb8507376; Fri, 01 May 2009 19:26:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M026C-00050x-6c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 00:24:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M026B-00050o-Rj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 00:24:55 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s1.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.12]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0269-0008MM-Dw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 00:24:55 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W40 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 1 May 2009 16:24:47 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [117.12.236.125] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 15:24:47 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <58B94240067A4567AF090D36CEC75971@Black> References: <555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> <58B94240067A4567AF090D36CEC75971@Black> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2009 23:24:47.0323 (UTC) FILETIME=[046212B0:01C9CAB4] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2760cde1-c3f0-4634-a31a-fa8fb6325287_" Subject: LF: RU6LA WPF X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_2760cde1-c3f0-4634-a31a-fa8fb6325287_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A very noisy band from local and not so local thunderstorms. RU6LA is around= 6600kms from here started off with a lot of spectrum spread in his signal a= t his dusk, http://www.kl1x.com/1may137.jpg which reduced later. =20 Thanks for the signals! =20 Laurence BY3A - KL 1X Bohai Bay China OM89UA Foggy and Smoggy now =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE:=85more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009=3D --_2760cde1-c3f0-4634-a31a-fa8fb6325287_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A very noisy band from local and not so local thunderstorms. RU6LA is a= round 6600kms from here started off with a lot of spectrum spread in hi= s signal at his dusk,  http://www.kl1x.com/1may137.jpg which reduced later.

Thanks for the signals!

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Check it out. =3D --_2760cde1-c3f0-4634-a31a-fa8fb6325287_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG052-a244a01d6b0346; Wed, 06 May 2009 14:28:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG076-a244a01d6b0346; Wed, 06 May 2009 14:28:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1lpU-0006xK-Lk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:26:52 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1lpU-0006xB-78 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:26:52 +0100 Received: from smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.19]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1lpR-00061s-My for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:26:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 98909 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 18:26:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=nDu6LReJVSZ1SFF48SgfGzTJwgIL6YYB2Nw+Ppe8Ju4TEHBk54tKXYxZM8CgZzEVgKtF2gK1hfI+JVD+JV71IdKYiXTclwYmeRWZ1Ha3gNCPoJzXdfQucHb6Kuf1xSkgY2shXsoa88ZGm96M0eskv6QEBTPhRgdZJKNMc5QWZZI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.110.22 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2009 18:26:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MwfifFMVM1lrXEaTkU7soYGz5Q86WUfuwkB3I_2OIFbFiIhe2KD3y41ZFQJz8MzJePTFbNZDIV7KWQ5ppIr_u5_oX3BBhKNrzJqV81wgxY587cfnyuLPk.H5rwXSZ.ICXt2SvXvlK4cHZDzsmhX2U28puFFD8_HCtpre34KKG5jk9_0dpKVTP5Fk_ha4JqzE52GauSx_zBxIwpRMQe2ugULzpeLCjZ6sKUzJr.jXZIK3CrcoFjs9JFh3M2xGiDBCXDhsy4zaT4XmtVPBLTCILrhrsa4Bfif.JV70KQ1I9ezUkexOmHYl0ZsC_3mcZ.4tFL_Lefm1SkPM_qSgykuhfXZSbOQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6BA400053F4E4A45935BEA7FF2FC10EC@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <00a201c9ce65$850fe540$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <00a201c9ce65$850fe540$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:26:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Richard, LF Group, I would suggest using an "umbrella" top-loaded vertical using a telescopic fibreglass mast. From experience, antennas with horizontal sections like inverted Ls or Ts have the disadvantage of requiring at least two masts (unless there is a suitable support already on your hilltop), and are a real handful when the wind starts blowing due to the masts flexing, requiring several guys to keep the antenna in shape. The umbrella is somewhat less efficient for the same overall height, but only needs a single mast, and the sloping top loading wires double as guys to keep the mast straight. The height is the most important dimension. A 10m mast would make a reasonable 500kHz antenna. For a reasonable estimate of antenna capacitance, assume 6pF per meter of wire. For antennas with a number of wires running close together, such as an umbrella, the actual capacitance will be a bit lower due to proximity effects, but this is a good first estimate. You can use NEC antenna simulators to calculate the capacitance quite accurately, although the resistance will probably be way off. Small antennas will have very sharp resonance, so you will want to add a variometer to your loading coil, or some other means of fine tuning. G4FGQ's DOS software runs fine in a DOS box under Windows 98 and Vista here. For insulated ground radials to work well, their capacitance to ground needs to be much larger than that of the antenna, so you probably want a few hundred metres of wire in total. If the ground is soft, a few 1m ground rods connected together works well as a ground. There is a lot of handy info on LF antennas at http://www.wireless.org.uk/on7yd/index.htm Hope to work you /P soon... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU > >> Dear all >> >> I am hoping to be granted an NoV for portable operating on 500kHz. I >> have parts on order for the GW3UEP Economy transmitter which will be run >> on 12 Volts. Suggestions for portable aerials that can be set-up by one >> person on remote and windy hilltops will be most welcome. >> >> 73 >> >> Richard >> G3CWI >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB073-d2449fd4ec827f; Sun, 03 May 2009 03:59:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB088-d2449fd4ec827f; Sun, 03 May 2009 03:59:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0Wa1-0001Qk-6m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 08:57:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0Wa0-0001Qb-SR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 08:57:44 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s7.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0WZz-0004sq-Hm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 08:57:44 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W1 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 3 May 2009 00:57:16 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.244.2] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 23:57:16 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2009 07:57:16.0634 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6D053A0:01C9CBC4] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_aeeb994f-c935-4de9-bfcd-745190c08f34_" Subject: LF: RU6LA X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_aeeb994f-c935-4de9-bfcd-745190c08f34_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 A little weaker over here in NE China last night Ed but still full ID.=20 =20 Dang Summer thunderstorms.. =20 Laurence BY3A Bohai Bay 90F sunny SDR IQ + Baby bottle Probe, City Centre location -=20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009=3D --_aeeb994f-c935-4de9-bfcd-745190c08f34_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A little weaker over here in NE China last night Ed but still full ID.

Dang Summer thunderstorms..

Laurence BY3A Bohai Bay
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<88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com>, <88d2415e0905300406p54cf1d54o14cbfebabf5f5216@mail.gmail.com>, <4A214F8E.3090002@online.fr> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/5Y4StLod/xt3EPrHflkeGOzYLzCoynungDoJ DH/TN2Q2/oZKaDqf1Kle0Yk6vH6sMx3AGIoEhhtmHyO9q6ZL9V 18dt3hns88AJ6Fyf7lGQhGeu346pe4h X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: CQ P3CPM now Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 30 May 2009 at 17:23, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Not QRSS3 =3D> QRSS10 !!!!!! >=20 > Hello Henny , >=20 > Good copy of your Signal in QRSS3 now ! >=20 > Sorry not qrv at this moment . >=20 > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj >=20 >=20 P3CPM. North Korea on LF - Really????? 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF084-53b49ff4c27122; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:12:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF034-53b49ff4c27122; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:12:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M14W8-0006ad-Mb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:12:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M14W8-0006aU-6R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:12:00 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f213.google.com ([209.85.217.213]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M14W6-0002xw-GC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:12:00 +0100 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so8934545gxk.4 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 13:11:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=KjLrvFWzAi7AGOzIHDwZROkE6h29zo7Z2nuHHAEZ9Lg=; b=s1u3BxfVOU6xlnfGik1jUINVo+c8rWf6iD2ipAoGz6BodM9uy6hCS5SdubgpJ1RSmN lyiS+WY1X88UwfcsvA2PksbVI3MYdzZMvwRvHA/5YQZ4fcM+KX97+QLm7fQY1JtLEow4 S/4Bfr1Czex/ezM6CdX6/XSnGOayGXzydPcJg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=oZuG9AjAoRYDitTIvebdeUMX1Z7+h9u51IF5tV18Y2lomXF8Yul5yXlczwTmN2+m28 RytFVtVMbrtk6o07V/mR6z+si05dFIlGnrR/vyWmP2wRdGFTR9op4NxVxZlQKns4E6yz DnOSPVHPegwzPuDFsZFpLVHbgAQvKoQmSQ1OE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.123.5 with SMTP id a5mr12671972ybn.207.1241467911916; Mon, 04 May 2009 13:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 21:11:51 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905041311m2b3902d4m19e5460371c5ff88@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_00_10=0.642,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Racal 5501 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f1288e3cd4004691bc519 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d233.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f1288e3cd4004691bc519 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments that I could buy? One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to about a third, so far can't find the fault. 73 Laurie G3AQC --001e680f1288e3cd4004691bc519 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,
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so far can't find the fault. 73 Laurie G3AQC
--001e680f1288e3cd4004691bc519-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB072-aef4a0e8c30283; Sat, 16 May 2009 05:49:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB105-aef4a0e8c30283; Sat, 16 May 2009 05:49:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5GVU-0001pM-70 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:48:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5GVT-0001pD-Jh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:48:39 +0100 Received: from smtp106.tnz.mail.aue.yahoo.com ([124.108.96.75]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5GVO-0006y0-Cq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:48:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 54121 invoked from network); 16 May 2009 09:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sooby.xtra.co.nz) (bjhayes@219.88.52.245 with login) by smtp106.tnz.mail.aue.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 09:47:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QI7_EiYVM1meD5datH_ONRhbcnHsI0l4Uz6tuuTeE_41n9Vy4qLNbCsCPXDugZv92dtzsoulUiz1zH9MySYlqE6GpeXxT3UacSOXbmQ0mSyNVAcGRoHmIioS49yiozPQdp1w7qmslG7Zh4I7XRfrXl_s X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20090516191226.01a127b0@xtra.co.nz> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 20:30:37 +1200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Brenda Hayes Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: BC221T Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LF friends, Mention of the BC221 brings back some memories. Here in ZL land we still enjoy very privileged access to the LF region, beginning in the early 1990's. In fact, things got even better as time went on - the original 165-190 kHz expanded to 130-190 kHz. Currently, we can run 5 watts EIRP, any mode, all the way. I have had some great CW contacts on 181.4 kHz and SSB QSO's on 182.7 kHz. My semi-retired very modified ex-NDB transmitter can poke most of a kW down the feedline. However, my best estimate of EIRP scores about 3 watts ! Sadly, the grim reaper has taken his toll on our ZL enthusiasts. Several of our early friends have became silent keys. However, one or two of us are gearing up for 136 kHz operation where our VK brothers should be active soon. Back to the BC221 - my first LF transmitter used a BC221 as a VFO, buffered on into a pair of 6146's. In fact, I still own two or three BC221's and an allied LM11. For their era, they were a wonderfully stable signal source. One gripe is the reluctance of our licencing authorities to allow even conditional access into the 500kHz area. I gather that there are still some emergency services using this frequency in the Pacific region. Kevin, ZL4MD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME042-9cd4a0c6e77383; Thu, 14 May 2009 15:18:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME081-9cd4a0c6e77383; Thu, 14 May 2009 15:18:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4gQZ-0000aH-IY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:17:11 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4gQZ-0000a8-5k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:17:11 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.187]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4gQW-0001xu-OA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:17:11 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host86-177-27-244.range86-177.btcentralplus.com [86.177.27.244]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKuxg-1M4gQN10Jc-00013Z; Thu, 14 May 2009 21:17:01 +0200 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:16:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A0C7C32.1551.2F6430D@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <4A0C5AB9.2090700@btconnect.com> References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com>, , <4A0C5AB9.2090700@btconnect.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/zeMGjkkMbna2bBdeq/HnWOCoTGXJTTdl6app gau/PKDmPnblLiYdCRx+D3fNBpYVy0ZTB7BQ79/TrvPvIsDXAS SQbRXN6APVNZ4e4fnud1LUvYFMzJS6e X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 14 May 2009 at 18:54, Richard Newstead wrote: > The 1749 sequence was just detectable here tonight - too weak to read > the CW. For your information Andy I copy your beacon solid s9 here in Bracknell, usually copying 5 or 6 of the keyed tones. But hardly DX... As I emailed Richard directly I can just about copy him. It may be a good demonstration of the slow QSB effect we get on 500k - sometimes absolutely zilch copy, other times q5 but VERY weak, just above the noise. I did try calling Richard on Tuesday but that revealed a slight annoyance in my tx - the VXO runs continuously and can be heard fairly weakly on channel and enough to wipe out Richard's signal so I had to call 'off channel'. I had not been aware of this problem before as most other signals they are well above it. I am now active on the band again from time to time, alternating with the HF bands. So far only QSOd Chris G3XIZ. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC032-d664a15376914c; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:14:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC036-d664a15376914c; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:13:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M76Cb-00070Y-KL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:12:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M76Cb-00070P-6K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:12:45 +0100 Received: from smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.234]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M76CZ-0007gm-IZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:12:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 20970 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 11:12:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=E9kUr0HAOF/uBgQyWMHAbzUY2MjoWwtItm6pSQ5CWa5ulXCy+eIt4Z66YEMSAbzWhkD7k8K4dnGj7ZcRvUPHRKoMZbftjsJPzIz+b15XTkPXsH2owaCCmuAH1fLuA8hZ/kumXoIrj3Ica7gax83kWo4WQJIPVLVujQtwkeg5yuk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@81.131.44.242 with login) by smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 11:12:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WlSeyzsVM1mWaEGw5u3zUqrIh2qVWUhZ.g5cpLMv_pyZxMWcroXBZpCLA8gPX_S5.o2lnQAqg_H0vpnEAcfi_FZJyBgBfKWD.7x17k_VyOWtlQFItv6L6rvhKKdB3pJz50Hu62n1ht0e2btycmGZWn5GqwBa.w.26rtJo7jQpqxGkmv85oCCRgQYFBmelO8QNY6lb42BRCMa39fsPu75V1Z8gHHnSEh7fcuD4DJR._hqSrUhSat_bnqs3fzOhYe25DV_LiDkWJDGgCnNKbnnoGCOIdzMxGcXRStccL2HBaW7g1hEu0cb4_1VUSC1YoNzBD9e4FkBZ1KLuabhrBEbM_haVXGe X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <003701c9da05$12e59fe0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> <001501c9d93c$7a2bb640$6401a8c0@asus> <6651D2695E544D67B12A34A8183A52C2@JimPC> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:32:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Jim ah now that is nice, it nicely get round the loading effects on the bridged-T in a 50 ohm environment. I guess a higher Q coil would be easy to fabricate if necessary. May I add that to the page on the filter on my site please? Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:02 AM Subject: LF: Re: 518khz - Notch Filter. > Dear Gary, LF group, > > Since this kind of notch filter has other useful applications too, I had a > go at designing something useable from available bits. I used an IF > transformer from an ancient transistor radio as a parallel-tuned trap - see > the attachment.The circuit is essentially an RF bridge - the1:1 transformer > and preset resistor balance out the finite resistance of the trap at > resonance. This is a similar principle to Alan's bridged-T circuit. With > critical "safe-cracking" adjustments, rejection of 60dB can be achieved at a > spot frequency, although the notch is very narrow. But >30dB can be achieved > over a useful bandwidth. The 3n3 capacitors flatten out the passband near > the cut off frequency and make the response a squarer shape on the LF side > of the notch. The improved notch depth is traded off for higher insertion > loss, but this is still fairly reasonable at around 4dB. The input/output > impedances should be of the order of 50 ohms, but are not critical. You > could make a better filter if the Q was higher - the IF transformer had Q > around 90; an MW ferrite rod aerial can have a Q of 200 or so at this > frequency. > > The performance of my prototype with 50R source and load looked like this: > > Loss in passband - 4dB > Response down by 3dB at 348kHz, 511.5kHz, 540kHz > Bandwidth of rejection notch at -20dB: 2.2kHz, -30dB: 700Hz, -40dB: 200Hz > > Looking at G4WGT's grabber, that should be adequate to more or less > eliminate the Navtex signal image. When I put it between my antenna and RX, > it certainly reduced the louder Navtex signals from S9 down into the noise. > > Cheers, Jim moritz > 73 de M0BMU > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC023-b334a0e94289b; Sat, 16 May 2009 06:23:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC077-b334a0e94289b; Sat, 16 May 2009 06:23:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5H2Z-00028h-L1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 11:22:51 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5H2Z-00028Y-5X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 11:22:51 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5H2X-0002tO-2W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 11:22:51 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFAGswDkpOlWem/2dsb2JhbACEUssehAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.103.166]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 11:21:42 +0100 Message-ID: <004901c9d610$1b647900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11229299AE3@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:06:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Re: Wavemeters Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 What model Chrs ? I have a lot of old equipment, 2 x R1155, TU7B tuning unit old Collins aero LF/MF atu. I should get it all connected up for a real old LF/MF radio station. I also have 2 x bathtub morse keys ex Shackleton/Lancaster and one out of a B47, plus others ex marine. I just need an old Lancaster or Flying Fortress cockpit. I must check ebay. 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Trayner" To: Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: LF: Wavemeters Talking of wavemeters, I have a class D wavemeter surplus to requirements. Anyone want it? Free to a good home. 73, Chris G4OKW -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2117 - Release Date: 05/15/09 17:55:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-ae04a19bdd3260; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:36:46 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB086-ae04a19bdd3260; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:36:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8LM6-00025V-58 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:35:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8LM5-00025M-Q3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:35:41 +0100 Received: from imr-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.159.7]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8LM2-0002Eh-HB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:35:40 +0100 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a19bda2153; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:35:30 -0400 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c92.4a0eb38d (34980) for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Black (g229068168.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.68.168]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA085-88a44a19bd9e29a; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:35:28 -0400 Message-ID: <6795A1FF1E9F491596BE84FE3FBB7BD0@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> In-Reply-To: <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:35:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: SP2KDS Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C9DCC8.4B85A730" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C9DCC8.4B85A730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Marcin, this is what your signal looked like here on the colour-DF screen, using a more favourable palette for your direction. 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME061-9aa4a202bde2f8; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:39:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME036-9aa4a202bde2f8; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:39:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MA6yf-0005ab-NB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:38:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MA6yf-0005aS-5m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:38:49 +0100 Received: from wmsmtp.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.253] helo=otmx.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MA6yd-0004Ps-10 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:38:49 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjcFABvJH0pOlr7//2dsb2JhbACCJiyCB4kmw2WEDAU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.190.255]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 19:38:33 +0100 Message-ID: <002601c9e08c$abb048f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:38:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: IK5ZPV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9E095.0D392E90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9E095.0D392E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos I have worked him many times in the past on normal CW 579/579=20 Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: LF: IK5ZPV Hello LF! I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV in QRSS3 mode. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zd= e!=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.44/2140 - Release Date: 05/28/09= 18:09:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9E095.0D392E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lubos

I have worked him many times in the past on normal C= W=20 579/579

Mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

Lubos OK2= BVG=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:21 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: LF: IK5ZPV

Hello LF!
I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV=20= in=20 QRSS3 mode.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde!=20

No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9E095.0D392E90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG011-6024a1d976d2e7; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:41:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG113-6024a1d976d2e7; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:41:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9Oz3-0000ET-G7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:40:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9Oz3-0000EK-5B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:40:17 +0100 Received: from wmsmtp.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.253] helo=otmx.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9Oz0-0001IP-LB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:40:16 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtoEAPAzHUpOlHY7/2dsb2JhbACCJyuCA4dLBsMthAwF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.118.59]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 27 May 2009 20:40:02 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01c9df02$ed931da0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:38:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C9DF0B.23328EC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C9DF0B.23328EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SM6BHZ 57 on USB 505 Khz at 1938 utc G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C9DF0B.23328EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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G3KEV

------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C9DF0B.23328EC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (rly-ma05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.49]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA093-8aa4a02fcaf366; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:22:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA054-8aa4a02fcaf366; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:22:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M25Ps-00022P-U2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:21:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M25Ps-00022G-Ic for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:21:44 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M25Pq-0007AG-Bq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:21:44 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFAC97B8053 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:21:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-199.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.199]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17FE31E702 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:21:32 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 17:21:35 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <351E24E134154160986CF3C5CC07321A@2a2d7ed321c6425> References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506225829.1vrsvh9ozjwcwog8@webmail 4.kuleuven.be> <351E24E134154160986CF3C5CC07321A@2a2d7ed321c6425> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090507152132.C17FE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: FM-Hell Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear all, I will do some FM-Hell transmissions tonight on 503.5kHz from 20:30 UTC til 21:20 UTC starting every 10 minutes. Between transmissions I will "listen" on the same frequency. Report are welcome. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF043-54e4a08a6a886; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:29:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF053-54e4a08a6a886; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:28:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dz1-0007cB-Jl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:28:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dz1-0007c2-8j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:28:27 +0100 Received: from mailout08.t-online.de ([194.25.134.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3dyx-0001HL-Ml for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:28:26 +0100 Received: from fwd10.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1M3dxu-0002jX-01; Tue, 12 May 2009 00:27:18 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (VOiwwyZprhAnPkmUnuByDLWgSwao-3HRBhzP7SPuUWlEweEqT5ocpAOX+2dHBBbwOZ@[93.196.34.151]) by fwd10.t-online.de with esmtp id 1M3dxj-1eZn860; Tue, 12 May 2009 00:27:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References:<92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> In-Reply-To:<92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.07.0001 Date: 11 May 2009 22:24 GMT Message-ID: <1M3dxj-1eZn860@fwd10.t-online.de> X-ID: VOiwwyZprhAnPkmUnuByDLWgSwao-3HRBhzP7SPuUWlEweEqT5ocpAOX+2dHBBbwOZ X-TOI-MSGID: 21ea0963-1a59-4993-88a7-e86662eaec12 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="__Next_1242080691_Part258__" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --__Next_1242080691_Part258__ Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Dear Gus, good copy of your CW signal on 505,5 kHz around 22.20 UTC here in eastern Bavaria, JN68GN. SSB is difficult to read in QRN. OK? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Gus" schrieb: Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ --__Next_1242080691_Part258__ Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit T-Online eMail Dear Gus,

good copy of your CW signal on 505,5 kHz around 22.20 UTC here in eastern Bavaria, JN68GN. SSB is difficult to read in QRN.

OK?

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB

"Gus" <begu@algonet.se> schrieb:

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include....

Reports are wellcome.

73 de Gus SM6BHZ

--__Next_1242080691_Part258__-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-5314a032d1a9d; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:49:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF024-5314a032d1a9d; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:49:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M28dr-0002b0-Fy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:48:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M28dr-0002ar-4q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:48:23 +0100 Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com ([64.136.47.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M28dp-0006gI-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:48:23 +0100 X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFAGMFNAFPUPG2 for (sender ); Thu, 7 May 2009 11:47:08 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g21GJOtXAsiQ/71APa81vj6DInR9vF3DmJs7g+7fROiurEqiAwQjyw== Received: (from cw4ever4@juno.com) by m04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PFYVFVCU; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:46:51 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:46:13 -0400 Message-ID: <20090507.144613.2232.3.cw4ever4@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.1.83 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert H Reif X-ContentStamp: 0:0:0 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.dca.untd.com|cw4ever4@juno.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: AFJ's grabber is ON ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ____________________________________________________________ Click here for the best streaming video solutions on the web! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTE3AsXzuPg0DLjwb1l1X0vWZxk1OkWF25NWRNQE5GHOCR5cYdAkVK/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC073-b0a4a0327ec39f; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:27:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC026-b0a4a0327ec39f; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:26:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M28IQ-0002TI-5v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:26:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M28IP-0002T9-SL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:26:13 +0100 Received: from smtp2-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.2]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M28IN-0001EZ-JA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:26:13 +0100 Received: from smtp2-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221554B0088 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:25:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE7D4B0179 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:25:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A03279D.4060702@online.fr> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 20:25:33 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <008501c9ce63$c07ecf30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905061229w6c853f60w291cca01c39eec09@mail.gmail.com> <002801c9cf20$9c4dfe70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905071109yf108b14mce42ee2169148545@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70905071109yf108b14mce42ee2169148545@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: AFJ's grabber is ON ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF , I am return to the QRA , my grabber is ON tonight 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME044-9a74a1a4a1416d; Mon, 25 May 2009 03:34:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME033-9a74a1a4a1416d; Mon, 25 May 2009 03:34:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Ugl-0003TK-PE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:33:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Ugl-0003TB-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:33:39 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.186]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Ugi-0004VZ-Nv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:33:38 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host86-177-27-16.range86-177.btcentralplus.com [86.177.27.16]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKv5w-1M8Ugb1a9l-0001eU; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:33:31 +0200 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:33:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A1A57D8.17526.70A98D@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <108EF969E1FE4E14821FD0B03287232F@JimPC> References: <108EF969E1FE4E14821FD0B03287232F@JimPC> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+b73u18yNv0P1vV03MK07qn01IsdtFa2OTnGo kELE00xhXjf0BI6/wkavltgw3tN9BY3h3+353DW7ozQRQGo5Dx m8XGtrGaItEjUJdlcW5wzsfNs5TvXN/ X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 24 May 2009 at 18:24, James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > Just worked G0MRF at 1705utc. Signal was 549 - apparently they are still > working on the antenna, so might improve yet... Got a good report from > them, so obviously receiving OK. Good luck for the rest of the > operation, David and Garo. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > I listened on and off to David's signal yesterday evening between other jobs. Some observations.... G0MRF (/P but not sending /P, which I thought was a bit confusing) was 569 here in Bracknell, later peaking 579 but the static was intolerable from around 9pm making copy very hard. I did give David a couple of calls after he finished his QSO with Chris G3XIZ but obviously he didn't hear, hardly surprising with my setup and in any case I found the tuning had gone off and I had a bad SWR, a problem with sharply tuned short verticals. When David and Chris paused to listen for Laurie G3AQC I briefly heard somebody else calling David, very weak, but neither station seemed to hear him as they carried on with the QSO before I could hear the callsign. I thought from the signal strength it might have been G3CWI but I gather Richard never heard David. Relative signal strengths (not very scientific) for comparison purposes: G0MRF 569 M0BMU 599+ G3XIZ 599+ M0FMT (?) 589 G3KEV 589 G3CWI - 439 And for reference, G3JNT beacon 599 and I could copy 7 of the tones last night (before the static came up). I don't know what sort of antenna David was using, I guess he will fill us in later. But if he had a big antenna in a big field, which he suggested, my feeling is he was not the big signal we should have expected. My copy of Andy's signal ties in with this, Andy is slightly nearer but not significantly so the fact that David was considerably weaker tells me a lot. I would also comment that beaconing for long periods while on these sort of special trips may not be the most profitable use of the time. I guess there were quite a few others wanting to have quick QSOs who did not have the chance. If David did go into QSO mode again later he would have not found it very productive due to the crippling static. Also the problem of some not copying David led to others calling CQs virtually on top, as Mal G3KEV did at one time, I guess an unfortunate problem with 500kHz for which I don't know the answer. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA073-a604a212296275; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:12:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA038-a604a212296275; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:12:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MANPA-0000jC-JJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:11:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MANPA-0000j3-1Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:11:16 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MANP7-0005mg-8G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:11:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 27033 invoked by uid 0); 30 May 2009 12:11:07 -0000 Received: from 85.178.115.40 by www111.gmx.net with HTTP; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:11:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:11:07 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: <20090530104723.9kgijndilgu80oo8@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Message-ID: <20090530121107.38810@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20090529121437.120FDF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <846AFC8AED804851AE6CA1E83B356E9F@JimPC> <20090530104723.9kgijndilgu80oo8@webmail4.kuleuven.be> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18bzFZfNkYbrOxGDVdQCY1AdVHX9+Y5szapn73kJs 00yXpl4kVFOgVxLzco3NXvQCxJmYels+qhXw== X-GMX-UID: aBUTex0nIydmaPuASmdrtA5Sa2FkZlX9 X-FuHaFi: 0.53 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Subject: LF: reports 28.V. + 29.V. + 30.V.2009 from Berlin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi! Following signals observed on 600m: qth Berlin city JO62RM RX homemade simple superhet Bandwidth abt. 110Hz ANT wireloop abt. 15sqm, 10m agl. in a linden tree „pointing Iceland“ = NW/SE 28.V.2009 16:00Z – 16:30Z and 19:43Z – 19:50Z (still daylight) DI2AM, OK0EMW and all the others in the „beacon cluster“ around 505.1kHz: NIL hrd 28.V.2009 19:52Z – 21:54Z DI2AM qsb to 0, mostly 339, 449, later 559 sometimes OK0EMW emerging at 21:17Z RST 329 29.V.2009 15:57Z – 17:19Z = daytime DI2AM, OK0EMW and all the others in the „beacon cluster“ around 505.1kHz: agn NIL hrd 29.V.2009 22:47Z – 23:32Z DI2AM qsb, sometimes nil, peaking 559 loud and clear OK0EMW and all the others in the „beacon cluster“ around 505.1kHz: NIL hrd 29.V.2009 - 30.V.2009 23:33Z – 00:51Z = dawn SK6RUD 439 – 559 distance 538km much more constant than DI2AM, never dropping to zero would have been always readable CW over 78 minutes! I suppose in difference to DI2AM, no groundwave interfering. Finally and for the first time (!) here th qrg 500,000kHz was without local interferences! Thank You all for the background music :) Vy73 Dennis DL6NVC -- Nur bis 31.05.: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate und Telefonanschluss nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-9c04a1eadea17e; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:30:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME064-9c04a1eadea17e; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:29:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9hWz-0002i5-4M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:28:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9hWy-0002hw-OM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:28:32 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9hWv-0008Tn-GP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:28:31 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EACJKHkpOlpzE/2dsb2JhbACEVstEgjmBVAU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.156.196]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 16:28:23 +0100 Message-ID: <004d01c9dfa8$f0ac6720$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003201c9df81$e9e4c8f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905280624k3bd34499he4b67d5af33bae52@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:28:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Interesting info Warren. All of my old Airforce equipment RAF and USAF is in very good condx.and I know how to use it. All I need is a B29 to check it out AIR to GROUND. Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF > The BC-306 tuning is a good one too. Inside it is a tapped coil + > variometer, maximum inductance about 1.2 mH. > > http://www.questmasters.us/B-24_Page_3.html > http://eshop1.chem.buffalo.edu/600-Meter-TX.html > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 6:47 AM, mal hamilton > wrote: >> Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 called MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER >> AIRCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with 200 feet trailing wire >> antenna. >> Contains variometer, switches and vac relay. >> I have a nice specimen at my QTH. >> Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching. >> Maybe someone has used one in a B29 >> >> G3KEV >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/27/09 18:21:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA063-a504a1dc7c51f7; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:08:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA018-a504a1dc7c51f7; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:07:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9SDW-000105-Jn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:07:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9SDW-0000zw-7V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:07:26 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9SDT-0006ME-Tx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: LF: reports SM6BHZ OK0EMW DI2AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > 25.V.2009 of course I mean 27.V.2009 Shouldn't send mails when just sleeping ;) -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss f�r nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB073-aab4a0bdd5f50; Thu, 14 May 2009 04:59:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB021-aab4a0bdd5f50; 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boundary=001e680f15984c84660469db850f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d229.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f15984c84660469db850f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No dispute this time. Laurie 2009/5/12 mal hamilton > Lawerence > No one is disputing downward SLOPE reduces the effective height. We are > discussing 500 Khz PORTABLE and the most convenient way to erect a suitable > antenna with minimum effort and you agree at 500 Khz it will not be a > serious disadvantage to have such a slope. > therefore a single mast and some slope is acceptable. You are AGREEING > wiith me so I am confused by your email !!!!!! The topic is 500 Khz > PORTABLE. > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* lawrence mayhead > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:02 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable > > I fully agree with Mike and Andy, any slope downward will reduce the > effective height of the antenna, and hence its radiation resistance. > This may not be too much of a problem on 500kHz where enough RF can be > generated but on 136 not so good and on 73 useless. > I have proved this in practice as well as by simulation. > So there you are Mal. > Laurie G3AQC > > 2009/5/12 Andy Talbot > >> A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to become a >> loop with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather than a >> vertical. ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tenth of a >> wavelength cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered in >> its entirety. Such is obvious even before resorting to modelling. Mike was >> referring to electrically short antennas where the downward sloping part >> simply opposes the current flow in the upward path. >> >> A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too >> noticeable in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could do >> more good than its slope undoes. >> >> Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude >> and treating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as >> second-class radio-ams, you stop and read the exam question. >> >> Andy G4JNT >> wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom >> >> >> 2009/5/12 mal hamilton >> >> You are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and >>> especially antennas. >>> I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with the far end >>> just above ground , and in normal CW mode. >>> Some time ago it was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil formers, >>> thought an AR88D was a diversity fly catcher. >>> What is coming next? The diversity UMBRELLA!!!! >>> My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 100 ft high and performs >>> well but for some this might be difficult, therefore use what you can get on >>> your property and let the far end tilt down if necessary. >>> G3KEV >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" < >>> mike.dennison@ntlworld.com> >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM >>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable >>> >>> >>> You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. >>>>> The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied >>>>> to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far >>>>> away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it >>>>> simple. mal/g3kev >>>>> >>>> >>>> This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards will reduce the effective >>>> height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the >>>> effective height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far >>>> preferable to an inverted-L in a single mast situation because a >>>> large amount of capacitance to ground can be achieved without much >>>> reduction of effective height. >>>> >>>> Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my >>>> advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are >>>> very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Keep well away from >>>> wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is >>>> power lost. >>>> >>>> Mike, G3XDV >>>> ========== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: >>> 05/11/09 16:14:00 >>> >>> >>> >> > ------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 > 16:14:00 > > --001e680f15984c84660469db850f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No dispute this time.
Laurie

2009/5/12=20= mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk.net>

Lawerence

No one is disputing downward SLOPE redu= ces the=20 effective height. We are discussing 500 Khz PORTABLE and the most convenient= way=20 to erect a suitable antenna with minimum effort and you agree at 500 Khz it=20= will=20 not be a serious disadvantage to have such a slope.

therefore a single mast and some slope=20= is=20 acceptable. You are AGREEING wiith me so I am confused by your email !!!!!!=20= The=20 topic is 500 Khz PORTABLE.

G3KEV

=A0

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:02 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz=20 Portable

I fully agree with Mike and Andy, any slope downward will=20 reduce the effective height of the antenna, and hence its radiation=20 resistance.
This may not be too much of a problem on 500kHz where enoug= h RF=20 can be generated but on 136 not so good and on 73=A0 useless.
I have=20 proved this in practice as well as by simulation.
So there you are=20 Mal.
Laurie G3AQC

2009/5/12 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googl= email.com>

A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to beco= me a=20 loop with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather tha= n a=20 vertical.=A0=A0 ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tenth of=20 a wavelength cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered= in=20 its entirety.=A0 Such is obvious even before resorting to=20 modelling.=A0 Mike was referring to electrically short antennas where th= e=20 downward sloping part simply opposes the current flow in the upward=20 path.=A0=A0=A0

=A0

A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too=20 noticeable in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could d= o=20 more good than its slope undoes.

=A0

Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude=20 and=A0treating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as= =20 second-class radio-ams, you stop and read the exam question.

Andy =A0G4JNT
wobbleU cubed=20 .g4jnt.kom

2009/5/12 mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk= .net>

You=20 are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and especial= ly=20 antennas.
I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas wit= h=20 the far end just above ground , and in normal CW mode.
Some time ag= o it=20 was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil =A0formers, thought an=20 AR88D was a =A0diversity fly catcher.
What is coming next? The=20 diversity UMBRELLA!!!!
My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv= L,=20 100 ft high and performs well but for some this might be difficult,=20 therefore use what you can get on your property and let the far end ti= lt=20 down if necessary.
G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- From:=20 "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May=20 12, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable

<= br>

You=20 do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna.
The so called=20 horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied
to a bus= h or=20 tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far
away as= =20 possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep=20 it
simple. mal/g3kev

This is quite wrong. A= ny=20 slope downwards will reduce the effective
height of a Marconi. Si= nce=20 ERP is a function of the square of the
effective height this is=20 extremely important. An umbrella is far
preferable to an inverted= -L=20 in a single mast situation because a
large amount of capacitance=20= to=20 ground can be achieved without much
reduction of effective=20 height.

Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and= =20 136kHz), my
advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a= =20 Marconi are
very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Kee= p=20 well away from
wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any=20 voltage leaked is
power lost.

Mike,=20 G3XDV
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--001e680f15984c84660469db850f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC053-b1b4a0764b542; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:35:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC047-b1b4a0764b542; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:35:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3IXn-00032d-Ij for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:34:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3IXn-00032T-5a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:34:55 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.191] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3IXk-0002oJ-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:34:54 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3608.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DD0287000083 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:34:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3608.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 9F51F7000081 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:34:47 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510233447652.9F51F7000081@mwinf3608.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <339FDEB7AF83442F934350E3A730974B@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> In-Reply-To: <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 00:34:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon QRT - 2345 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 QRT 2345 GMT Thanks to all who sent in reports , hope the test was of use , re , less than 100 Hz bw modes 73 Graham g0nbd -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:51 PM To: Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream > same text , 60 sec repeat .. > > > PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz = 503.20k cent rf > > MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz = 503,00k cent rf > > ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz = 502.70 k cent rf > > > Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' > lock > up time ? > > Graham > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Graham" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM > To: > Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > >> >> All, >> >> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >> >> G .. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Graham" >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >> To: >> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >> >>> >>> All >>> >>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>> >>> Tx set >>> >>> Dial 501.000 >>> mode usb >>> >>> FLDIGI software >> >> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>> >>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>> >>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>> >>> Power 40 watts per stream >>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>> >>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>> >>> Reports welcome >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>> 05/09/09 >>> 06:54:00 >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >> 05/09/09 >> 06:54:00 >> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc09.mx.aol.com (rly-mc09.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.93]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC022-d914a17279f3e; Fri, 22 May 2009 18:31:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC091-d914a17279f3e; Fri, 22 May 2009 18:30:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7dFi-0001jm-PN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 23:30:10 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7dFi-0001jd-7J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 23:30:10 +0100 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.37]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7dFg-0001oT-I4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 23:30:10 +0100 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a17276428f; Fri, 22 May 2009 18:29:56 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c99.4a0181da (34920); Fri, 22 May 2009 18:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.153]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA035-5c374a17275828f; Fri, 22 May 2009 18:29:50 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-DZ38 (webmail-dz38.sim.aol.com [205.188.185.140]) by smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB025-5c374a17275828f; Fri, 22 May 2009 18:29:44 -0400 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, G1KAW@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 18:29:44 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g0mrf@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42951-STANDARD Received: from 87.80.206.159 by WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com (205.188.185.140) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 22 May 2009 18:29:44 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBA943F0C92715-A70-10C3@WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: CQ DX 500k Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBA943F0EF4CF5_A70_231F_WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_20_30,HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CBA943F0EF4CF5_A70_231F_WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all. ? Can anyone on the East Coast USA comment of the state of 501 -504kHz for transatlantic reception? ? I have confirmed availability of a large field in East Sussex for this Sunday night?for some portable operation. ? If I have to select a frequency, then I may as well choose a clear one possibly in the mid - upper portion of the band say 503.1 ? One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well established 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. - So may have to go to 10MHz for that, or we do have 400W + 16 ele on 2m at 600 ft ASL which should be?fine for ON / F / PA western DL. Locator will be JO00EW near Dallington East Sussex. Power 0 - 250 Watts, antenna dependent. - Aim +10dBW peak ERP Main purpose of this trip is?the antenna experiment, but it would be nice to make some CW / QRSS3 QSOs too. Site location can be seen here. http://www.vhfdx.net/callbook/gmap.php?Lan=E&Call=G1KAW/P&Loc=JO00EW phone / text? 07958502540.? e-mail g0mrf@aol.com. Internet available on site. 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Hi all.

Can anyone on the East Coast USA comment of the state of 501 -504kHz for transatlantic reception?

I have confirmed availability of a large field in East Sussex for this Sunday night for some portable operation.

If I have to select a frequency, then I may as well choose a clear one possibly in the mid - upper portion of the band say 503.1

One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well established 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. - So may have to go to 10MHz for that, or we do have 400W + 16 ele on 2m at 600 ft ASL which should be fine for ON / F / PA western DL.

Locator will be JO00EW near Dallington East Sussex.
Power 0 - 250 Watts, antenna dependent. - Aim +10dBW peak ERP

Main purpose of this trip is the antenna experiment, but it would be nice to make some CW / QRSS3 QSOs too.

Site location can be seen here.
http://www.vhfdx.net/callbook/gmap.php?Lan=E&Call=G1KAW/P&Loc=JO00EW

phone / text 07958502540. e-mail g0mrf@aol.com. Internet available on site.

Thanks

David

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----------MB_8CBA943F0EF4CF5_A70_231F_WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-a594a182b43275; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:58:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA031-a594a182b43275; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:58:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7uY3-0004VI-QD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:58:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7uY3-0004V9-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:58:15 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr14.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.132]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7uY0-00068G-OM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:58:14 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2bthomr14.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DFU60375; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:58:07 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A182B22.1050305@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:58:10 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905230949w19e40e09x2a6f0ac77c72287a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bf118410905230949w19e40e09x2a6f0ac77c72287a@mail.gmail.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr14.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0208.4A182B20.0003,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dave Pick wrote: > Richard > > Just think topband with the dimensions scaled accordingly, you were > therefore using a 50ft inverted L with a less than 2m high vertical > section getting lower.... and 12W. I think a kite is the only way with > QRP! > I saw something on the grabber though, round about 2pm local? > Dave All noted. I realise that it's a small aerial. I was more concerned about the matching system and earth. If I can't deliver the current to the aerial it will never work! Re grabber, may have been me but there were several people floating about. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF062-5974a0afeeab1; Wed, 13 May 2009 13:10:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF126-5974a0afeeab1; Wed, 13 May 2009 13:10:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4HxH-0004xT-2n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:09:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4HxG-0004xK-Mt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:09:18 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f180.google.com ([209.85.219.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4HxD-0004lr-PV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:09:18 +0100 Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so1080049ewy.4 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:09:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2FRMVvOH6wWA8XHnbH+IsSqJw0Zyl01cASCGzJRZ1Q4=; b=VIcWucjy+K2s6LHQ/FishA+HcT7wy4ttsglWxom1nX3HIGOU/53M1jaCo/Z68qtMMC KMPLzhHl+5LjErtS1SjbyPLRyqDr2FyTuaMDcS8KvxtX16NySR1TUbUjheVrypp8SF64 IAqXD+vweNGIkALp3mD1dgaOFtoTPWGrGHYU0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ltn8cekvF3ZeyChRERNCS40mVLYoq8K3J/B4fV3lHTG70F8DbOC76inmpaBFOayHAN bbMYAAmSIvvLZvl5HJVf16coHQWuMj2sHTDrmSO8ioQY9ozWUAfSTtZjdTW+1aETZakJ 3LxaM3DW/fCxgjgCKx8cElS1nben3Vqbz5H+c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.26.80 with SMTP id b58mr536239wea.35.1242234549884; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:09:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:09:09 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410905131009k77c653ffmd93393f3e4429b30@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f423dc12d9740469ce45f3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m223.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f423dc12d9740469ce45f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit About 559 by ear here at 1700utc. We'll see how it progresses after dark against the static! Dave. 2009/5/13 Richard Newstead > Dear all > > I have a beacon running on 502.7kHz on standard CW. I would welcome reports > as the evening progresses. I will be using it to try to engage some SOTA > people in listening on the band so that I can do some experiments at a later > date. If it causes anyone a problem please send me a private email. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --001485f423dc12d9740469ce45f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable About 559 by ear here at 1700utc. We'll see how it progresses after dark= against the static!

Dave.

2009/5/1= 3 Richard Newstead <g3cwi@btconnect.com>

Dear all

I have a beacon running on 502.7kHz on standard CW. I would welcome reports=20= as the evening progresses. I will be using it to try to engage some SOTA peo= ple in listening on the band so that I can do some experiments at a later da= te. If it causes anyone a problem please send me a private email.

73

Richard
G3CWI

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--001485f423dc12d9740469ce45f3-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG061-59c4a16ca1a2c7; Fri, 22 May 2009 11:51:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG011-59c4a16ca1a2c7; Fri, 22 May 2009 11:51:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7X10-0000yx-2E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:50:34 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7X0z-0000yo-Gc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:50:33 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7X0x-0007ie-GB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:50:33 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFAIdmFkpZ8+2O/2dsb2JhbACCJC6CAoRggmIGx0iECwU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.243.237.142]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 16:50:21 +0100 Message-ID: <003601c9daf5$0351b960$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:50:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: LF/MF REPORTS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9DAFD.6120CB50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9DAFD.6120CB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am getting lots of reports from around EU mostly by EMAIL but I prefer xba= nd realtime contacts if possible. The Russian stns frequently call me xband= on 7033 Khz. I would like xband calls during the daytime fm EU. I always LI= STEN on 7033 Khz which is a good band both daytime and night time for EU and= beyond. I always listen on my TX freq as well for simplex QSO'S. Tnx all the reports de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9DAFD.6120CB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am getting lots of reports from around EU= mostly=20 by EMAIL but I prefer xband realtime contacts if possible. The Russian stns=20 frequently call me xband on 7033 Khz. I would like xband calls during=20= the=20 daytime fm EU. I always LISTEN on 7033 Khz which is a good band both daytime= and=20 night time for EU and beyond. I always listen on my TX freq as well for= =20 simplex QSO'S.

Tnx all the reports

de mal/g3kev

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9DAFD.6120CB50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD063-b764a09a19a1c7; Tue, 12 May 2009 12:19:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD048-b764a09a19a1c7; Tue, 12 May 2009 12:19:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3ugx-00047e-1T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:18:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3ugw-00047V-KG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:18:54 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3ugt-0001u2-O0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:18:53 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7FB781C00082 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:18:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.12.252]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id F11421C00081 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:18:33 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090512161833987.F11421C00081@mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <700020F556AB40A68EFAC71AAC736810@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com>, <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A094F88.31094.2E46CD4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4A094F88.31094.2E46CD4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:18:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Yes your right on that Mike, If you model a T and then change it to arrow shape , once the free ends are more than about 6 feet off the ground the radiation and feed values are all over the place ..you would not of realised in the field, what was going on ! G . -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Dennison" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable > >> You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. >> The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied >> to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far >> away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it >> simple. mal/g3kev > > This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards will reduce the effective > height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the > effective height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far > preferable to an inverted-L in a single mast situation because a > large amount of capacitance to ground can be achieved without much > reduction of effective height. > > Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my > advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are > very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Keep well away from > wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is > power lost. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 > 07:02:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME022-9e34a22efc9372; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:00:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME107-9e34a22efc9372; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:59:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAs77-0003ma-Qp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:58:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAs77-0003mR-CF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:58:41 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAs74-0002jA-Fo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:58:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 24855 invoked by uid 0); 31 May 2009 20:58:32 -0000 Received: from 85.178.111.253 by www184.gmx.net with HTTP; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:58:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:58:31 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: <513649.77849.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090531205831.293140@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <513649.77849.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+tLg4uAtutJvaeQZKz9yJrYGEWaIOd4bqPL9KV5a fUsoI+QC3OkqIX6wMSVWFFVaeHeDGnWwdd9Q== X-GMX-UID: GJpLec88eWUkIKyDV29nXSgjL0tsZg36 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: LF: rx 600m tonight for YOU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi! I just reconfigured my RX to 0.5MHz, and appreciate receiving signals tonight on 600m :) Just let me know You are there, and where. vy73 Dennis Berlin JO62RM PS: Loop pointing NW/SE, so Scotland might induce higher voltages than England. -- Nur bis 31.05.: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate und Telefonanschluss nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-5964a071bd8115; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:24:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF125-5964a071bd8115; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:24:26 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Dgm-0000F2-KV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:23:52 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Dgm-0000Es-4n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:23:52 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3Dgk-0000u2-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:23:52 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 62B987000088 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:23:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 2C2017000086 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:23:32 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510182332180.2C2017000086@mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <1D277B3EB8FF43B6BDCFF44EADBE1A4C@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <4A067B34.9060701@btconnect.com> <921E5615F20E456088F65870062F6634@AGB> <4A0718B2.5020203@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0718B2.5020203@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:23:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 OK Richard Quite possible , tx will produce 200 + watts carrier , but for most I run round 100 watts , as its class AB , Its running 2 modes a the moment , mfsk and throb , after last nights qso with Rik, not sure which is the better mode for 500 , the throb seemed to print better at my qth , psk31 was dropping 50% when Rik changed over tnx- G . -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:10 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test > > Graham wrote: >> Richard, >> >> What time was that and what mode ? >> >> > > I heard you first on CW then I heard you go to data modes. Your signal > seemed to change level - do you test on different power levels? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA032-a5449fc633153; Sat, 02 May 2009 11:14:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA024-a5449fc633153; Sat, 02 May 2009 11:13:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0GtS-0006wp-9I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 16:12:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0GtR-0006wg-Sw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 16:12:45 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f213.google.com ([209.85.217.213]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0GtP-0003y1-Ik for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 16:12:45 +0100 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so6407444gxk.4 for ; Sat, 02 May 2009 08:12:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=h62/eg7V6oUFzuS7hF+5JypPFxHwbspGXZ64UhFA3kc=; b=L1BLtXairR+j4L77ZTwEl3eUcbhTnn+HNtum3y7kqkVBhucLgiRSHKiXKmKjVPGXJL 1MDwH373o4+9RxoiZI04dWdDdanj7r90JkH/mHZX3iTkKskeRkPt87sudN+RYravUHoU rjGNoLVLUsqtw0kGkjInIBi9dfuxHVtkkOIgc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FMvpsgqbjcBHQeekny7EysM57lijI7mgOl4JOsJ4rBFgTbyM4PGI/TbJ5rRBsrik3+ FUPCjsv5AT5VwE0jd4z55vz2bKcUsqxDYASSenG0C1LCZEd4JxGTSOX4bT/kPF7X9aVO gqOEFLjFHyiNgTkHb/xMMGmVWLFGqINbZvPdc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.104.15 with SMTP id b15mr3347858agc.101.1241277156096; Sat, 02 May 2009 08:12:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <57a24ca70905020326j5f95c90bqaafb265762b760c5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:12:36 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905020812g8e8d546m8896719183f3687f@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Japan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m247.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Laurence, > I make it 2.1! Yes, my comment was tongue-in-cheek, --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrote: > I make it 2.1! > >> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 06:26:09 -0400 >> From: wd2xgj@gmail.com >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: Japan >> >> Laurence, >> >> Cool! Never heard anything about any Japanese activity or >> interest in LF/MF - be interested to see if anyone gets on. >> Glad to hear that they got 3.1kHz rather than the mere 2.1 kHz the >> rest of the world has. >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> WD2XGJ >> WD2XSH/23 >> WE2XEB/2 >> WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China >> wrote: >> > From 7L1RLL "A new 3.1KHz band width from 135.7KHz to 137.8KHz is >> > assigned >> > for amateur radio in Japan since March 30 2009." >> > Either CW or narrow band width data transmition less than 100Hz shall b= e >> > used in the new band" >> > ________________________________ >> > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. See how. >> > > ________________________________ > Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. C= heck > it out. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG103-a2b49feb777b4; Mon, 04 May 2009 05:38:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG085-a2b49feb777b4; Mon, 04 May 2009 05:38:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0ubW-0005sQ-Nr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 10:36:54 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0ubW-0005sH-4y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 10:36:54 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.63]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0ubU-00069K-Ct for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 10:36:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 6605 invoked from network); 4 May 2009 09:36:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=oyi1C1udVjmoXj2XGBWxP3RkRrUUEfSShiT1WEKgZiuwcVms4xeawwuv6/Ft59RONJkhh+HmX3wnX8dhmhbALHFWxh5diIzHPVZ1nhirEh29oHDjQt2f/Q+Zx/apUN9OJp17Dxv/iMiPcjX1bAoB72G4pDLZ5kjgzZoohHKCR6E= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@81.131.41.142 with login) by smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2009 09:36:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8ch39EcVM1n.cQp4UIysXUO6w01T_S.90oge5VztDMUnXbSi5xuDxT1I62alDo5fMlX1SBOqaY8eV17U.u5ofH8TYzxV63acPUd8h8X3KlwfYEFDFsooVGakvetPPhXs_epTaDUJYJkUHSkJjZY0c9DKzawRPcaxdIAaU784QvJMkIt4hLuucFUZQbrJZXrkbbsjiO_H4Hj2LmrG5Cd6K6YkJb0Etc0bhgoFUfezs9b4gVbBO39V.osPUfRIaOT2_sP3HJGNjOXI.ephOz0VCvE1jWkvJwkcZRjs9tAPgDGNiNpp9UfRFDdv1zEdOoVryXqGUWsL46JYyJb9OL2K03GvxPI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001c01c9cc9b$d73769e0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <008001c9cc2c$084162e0$0900a8c0@AM> <341055.8010.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:31:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Chris Mmmmm it seems that you might have a problem with the tuning caps, I wonder what sort you used. You have to be a bit careful with cap types in critical circuits. The other though is to try to make the L/C ratio on the ferrite areal the same as that at 136kHz. If you have too little inductance and more capacitance that will make the tuning sharp and also maybe be more critical on cap temp coefficient. Just I ideas, It sounds like you are making progress, even if it by deciding what is not a problem. Dick, PA0SE, may be around he does monitor the group else drop him an email he may have some ideas. Best wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Osborn" To: Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 8:23 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Many thanks for the prompt suggestions Alan. I've spent ages trying to sort the problem and have now run out of ideas. I completely rebuilt the unit, even using a new ferrite rod. The front end tuning was very sharp and I subsequently added another RF tuning control (varicap + pot) to peak it up as it drifted. Also I've placed a 220 k resistor across the tuned circuit to lower the Q and flatten the response. I did the usual trick of blowing with a drinking straw on various components and the front end capacitors seemed to be the culprits hence the added RF amp tuning control. I'll try a BF981 as you suggest and also disconnect the front end and inject a signal. I'll hunt around for a BF960 as shown in the original circuit. Thanks again es 73 Chris XIZ ________________________________ From: Alan Melia To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, 3 May, 2009 21:00:26 Subject: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Hi Chris the following things occur to me to try 1 the 2N3819 is a juction fet not a mosfet (as with Dick original design) so is probably more likely to show changes in input (gate-source) current with temperature. The input current of a mostfet will be negligable. I cant remember what the original device was but if a 40673 for instance try a BF981 which are readily available. 2 At a lower level of probability the permiability of ferrite changes with temperature. I would not that to be anything like so great as problem though. I hope that helps to solve the problem. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Osborn" To: "LF Group" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed LF, I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook), modified for use on the 500 kHz band. I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering available components, the differences being: a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published varicaps. b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the published LW coil. I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet the field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and can vary up to 30 %. I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've spent hours trying to correct it. 73 Chris G3XIZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB032-aa64a0745e73d4; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:24:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB014-aa64a0745e73d4; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:23:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3GUV-00027N-4S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:23:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3GUU-00027E-Jv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:23:22 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3GUT-0001il-Oh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:23:22 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D4E7B8047 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:23:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3051F3862 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:23:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9D6C75B9A; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:23:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 37.176-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (37.176-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.176.37]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:23:11 +0200 Message-ID: <20090510232311.c7w0ojp43pk4880w@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:23:11 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus><5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC><008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus><61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB><4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB><1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> <20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <2149FAD3D3B349DA8DD2D9B692522EEE@AGB> In-Reply-To: <2149FAD3D3B349DA8DD2D9B692522EEE@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.176.37 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, despite that there is no copy in MFSK4 this signal sound much stronger =20 than the Throbx2 and psk31 signals. Idem on the G3YXM grabber: MFSK4 look brighter than the other 2. Looks as if the power is not the same. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Graham : > Ok Rik, > > Well see what prints with this beacon, Im running Fldigi x 3 times > on the same pc , Gary is running the same for rx and reports all is > ok with the system ... > > tnx- G .. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:40 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > late= r > >> >> Hello Graham, >> >> thanks for the QSO's last night. >> Under current conditions (lot of QRN and QSB) ThrobX2 seemes a bit =20 >> better than >> PSK31. MFSK4 wouldn't print last night. >> The night before it was the same until all the sudden I had a perfect pri= nt. >> Maybe tuning / synchronisation is rather critical for MFSK4. >> The bandwidth of MFSK4 seems about 150Hz, so i will not use it for transm= it. >> PSK31 and ThrobX2 are well below 100Hz. >> >> I will try to decode the signals starting 21:00 UTC. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Graham : >> >>> Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream >>> same text , 60 sec repeat .. >>> >>> >>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz =3D 503.20k cent rf >>> >>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz =3D 503,00k cent rf >>> >>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz =3D 502.70 k cent rf >>> >>> >>> Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' >>> lock up time ? >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Graham" >>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later >>> >>>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >>>> >>>> G .. >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Graham" >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >>>> >>>>> >>>>> All >>>>> >>>>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>>>> >>>>> Tx set >>>>> >>>>> Dial 501.000 >>>>> mode usb >>>>> >>>>> FLDIGI software >>>> >>>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>>>> >>>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>>>> >>>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>>>> >>>>> Power 40 watts per stream >>>>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>>>> >>>>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>>>> >>>>> Reports welcome >>>>> >>>>> Graham >>>>> >>>>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release =20 >>>>> Date: 05/09/09 >>>>> 06:54:00 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>>> 05/09/09 06:54:00 >>>> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: =20 >> 05/10/09 07:02:00 >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME023-9de4a07443b3c1; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks for that Gary, That sort of confirms last night ,I had not thought to use the throb mode, except I was looking for a sub 100 Hz mode other than psk31 I will leave the system running till round 2300 gmt / 2400 bst G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary - G4WGT" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 9:55 PM To: Subject: LF: RE: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Graham, LF, > > In an attempt to reduce the signal further I have connected to my > Sandpiper > HF vertical. > > Now receiving with 50db attenuation & the signals are barely audible > through > the speaker & barely visible on the Fldigi waterfall. > > There is no copy from the MFSK4 signal with just a little from ThrobX2 & > PSK31. > > I am receiving more complete words from ThrobX2 than PSK31 making ThrobX2 > the marginal winner of the test, at least in my case. > > A very interesting & useful test. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham > Sent: 10 May 2009 21:38 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > All > > Getting reports of a qrss cw signal on 502.7 , if this is causing > problems , I can qsy > hf if needed > > hope the test is useful > > Tnx- > > Graham > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Graham" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:51 PM > To: > Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > >> >> Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream >> same text , 60 sec repeat .. >> >> >> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz = 503.20k cent rf >> >> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz = 503,00k cent rf >> >> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz = 502.70 k cent rf >> >> >> Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' >> lock >> up time ? >> >> Graham >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Graham" >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM >> To: >> Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later >> >>> >>> All, >>> >>> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >>> >>> G .. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Graham" >>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >>> >>>> >>>> All >>>> >>>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>>> >>>> Tx set >>>> >>>> Dial 501.000 >>>> mode usb >>>> >>>> FLDIGI software >>> >>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>>> >>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>>> >>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>>> >>>> Power 40 watts per stream >>>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>>> >>>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>>> >>>> Reports welcome >>>> >>>> Graham >>>> >>>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>>> 05/09/09 >>>> 06:54:00 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>> 05/09/09 >>> 06:54:00 >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >> 05/09/09 > >> 06:54:00 >> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 > 07:02:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD012-9034a0eba373a1; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d249.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the report and the "grabber" ! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 3:26 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hello LF , > > Last night good copy of =A0XGJ ( one string =A003:25 =3D> 04:05 ) > > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (rly-dg08.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.92]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG073-5e24a11bdc6385; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:58:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG081-5e24a11bdc6385; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:58:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M68xi-0001WG-PU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:57:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M68xi-0001W7-C9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:57:26 +0100 Received: from mcgi27.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.86]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M68xf-0005YQ-Qs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:57:26 +0100 Received: from mcgi27.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi27.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D6A11445 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 23:57:18 +0400 (MSD) Received: from [81.195.27.131] by mcgi27.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Mon, 18 May 2009 23:57:13 +0400 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:57:13 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <894006656.1242610941.162086848.22169@mcgi48.rambler.ru> In-Reply-To: <894006656.1242610941.162086848.22169@mcgi48.rambler.ru> Message-Id: <274550764.1242676633.165670728.33163@mcgi27.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi LF! RX3AKT answering me today then he is close to factoring a syntezer=20 because that process unprofitable. He is finished last 15 syntezers and finish. Crisis. It is profitable sale an potato more then factoring a=20 syntezers. excuse for unchecked info. * Roman RW3ADB [Mon, 18 May 2009 05:42:21 +0400]: > Hello LF! > > RN3AGC use a RX3AKT DDS-syntezer. > http://rx3akt.narod.ru/dds_akt.html > http://rx3akt.narod.ru/dds_vid.html > This is russian origin. RX3AKT did't make english version, there is no > reason to do it b4 today. > Sergey RX3AKT spoken english well, email him: sa_rx3akt@mtu-net.ru > Band pass: 0 Hz-150Mhz > DDS: AD9952-YSV > Controller: ATMEGA8515-16AI > Indicator: =CC=D2-16S2H v.3 > Voltage: +13,8 V +/- 35% > Current: 150 mA > Peak amplitude sinus output: 250mV > Peak amplitude square pulse: 1.8V > Minimal freq pitch: 10Hz (RN3AGC div 13.777 MHz by 100 for 0.01 Hz=20 step) > RX RIT: +/- 9,99 KHz > 15 Programmable VFO's > The IF band pass: +/- 999 999 999 Hz (IF is program via user menu) > IF minimal pitch: 1 Hz > 5 methods to control. > COM port 1200 bod, TTL. > > Sale a finished construction. > > * Graham [Tue, 12 May 2009 22:25:17 +0100]: > > > > Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a > kit > > , > > better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working > > even better ! > > > > Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to > > enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device > > > > Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master > > oscillator for tx > > > > Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) > > > > Tnx- Graham . > > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-9704a13fa8d224; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:42:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF076-9704a13fa8d224; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:41:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6l6J-0001B4-Mx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:40:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6l6J-0001Av-Bh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:40:51 +0100 Received: from relay2-v.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6l6E-0000lG-To for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:40:50 +0100 Received: from HATSHEPSOUT (ALagny-151-1-7-57.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.121.245.57]) by relay2-v.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D8D135DA for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 14:40:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:40:37 +0200 From: Michel F5WK X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <254053664.20090520144037@mterrier.net> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001501c9d93c$7a2bb640$6401a8c0@asus> References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> <001501c9d93c$7a2bb640$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------BED26622EFA6C6" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------------BED26622EFA6C6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, You can get more than 80 dB image rejection on a particular frequency with SpectrumLab. The LO on the capture is precisely 511.500 kHz on a modified softrock. Please note that you have to exercise great care when adjusting the I/Q balance and that the antenna input impedance *does* matter. > I thought I could do the filtering within the SpecLab software but all my > attempts have had no effect at all, I am not really aware how to manipulat= e > the filter controls to do this, if anyone can help with that it could be t= he > answer. 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21:52:07 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s16.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.216]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LzziG-0007gi-PU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 21:52:06 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W29 ([64.4.56.129]) by bay0-omc3-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 1 May 2009 13:51:55 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:51:54 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> References: <555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2009 20:51:55.0180 (UTC) FILETIME=[A95C1EC0:01C9CA9E] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a3a4e90e-ee6d-4eaa-b95d-60ed9b798d6a_" Subject: RE: LF: RU beacons May 1-2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_a3a4e90e-ee6d-4eaa-b95d-60ed9b798d6a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Ed, LF! I have seen your big signal on 137.778. You started at 19:30 and your signal is very strong, S/N is more than 18dB. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ******************************** > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:32:07 +0400 > From: ed@dx.ru > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: RU beacons May 1-2 > > Dear LF enthusiasts! > > I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z, > on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3. > > QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May) > abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical) > QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop) > > Reports welcome > > 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru > > _________________________________________________________________ What's New v�m to �ekne hned, jak se to stane. Uka� mi jak. http://home.live.com/ --_a3a4e90e-ee6d-4eaa-b95d-60ed9b798d6a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Ed, LF!
I have seen your big signal on 137.778. You started at 19:30 and your signal is very strong, S/N is more than 18dB.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:32:07 +0400
> From: ed@dx.ru
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: RU beacons May 1-2
>
> Dear LF enthusiasts!
>
> I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z,
> on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3.
>
> QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May)
> abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical)
> QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop)
>
> Reports welcome
>
> 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru
>
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Klikni zde! --_a3a4e90e-ee6d-4eaa-b95d-60ed9b798d6a_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC023-b404a1abb6b35c; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:38:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC094-b404a1abb6b35c; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:38:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8cFE-0004nA-0Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8cFD-0004n1-EN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:43 +0100 Received: from imo-m12.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.100] helo=imo-m12.mail.aol.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8cFA-0007Pm-H1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:42 +0100 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imo-m12.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a1abb3a328; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:37:30 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.d56.290b427d (42807) for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:37:24 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:37:24 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 630 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1243265844" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------1243265844 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. Firstly, thank you to Jim and Chris for the QSOs yesterday and for the many useful reports and comments on the relector. Some detail. THE OBJECTIVE: To test the very good theory that horizontal antennas don't work at LF. The idea being that by operating on very poor ground you are actually many 10s of metres above 'radio ground' and therefore the antenna is much higher electrically than you may first imagine. This technique is used by the US military in underground nuclear command centres to avoid EMP. The location in East Sussex is at the top of a hill 170m above sea level. The ground goes down rapidly in two directions which I hoped would also aid the propagation of the 500k signals. We started off with a reference antenna - A 9m vertical with a 5m top section and intended to use reports and the grabber at G3YXM to evaluate the radiated signal by comparison to the 100mW ERP 137.7 beacon. This was a big mistake as the poor ground made it very inefficient, with 100 W from the transmitter generating an unimpressive 125mA of antenna current. However, it did allow a couple of QSOs. We then added a large amount of wire to the top section to make the antenna self resonant. To my surprise, and I'm not sure if this has been done before, it worked. Total wire used 128 metres. Series tuning inductance....zero. Compared to the wavelength of 596m this represents 85% of a quarterwave, which was rather more than I had anticipated. I expected the 'shortening effect' to be much greater. Perhaps this was a good indication that as I suspected the 'ground' under the antenna was either a considerable distance from the surface or, operating from a hilltop had an advantage. Antenna current was now 1A. Still not very good but this was due to us using the quaterwave against a few radials and a single ground rod. I notice that Rik reports a signal increase between the two different antenna types, but this could be explained by higher current in the vertical rather than any radiation from the horizontal section. Just when things were looking good, it all went, to use a local term, 'pear shaped' It began to get dark. The static level wiped out the grabber so we could not see our own signal and our final plan to turn the whole thing into a single horizontal dipole mounted along the ridge of a hilltop had to be abandoned as one of the 2 fields suddenly acquired a large flock of sheep. So, unfortunately a nice day in the countryside but only a little knowledge gained and the transmitter never turned up beyond 100W. Next time...I'll take a VNA and start with a dipole! At least the local manager at Homebase wont have to worry where all his 2 m bamboo canes are going anymore. My garage is full of them! Finally, to answer Dave's question about the callsign. I have probably misread my NOV but I was under the impression that just like the old 73k licence, /P was not allowed. Hence a letter to OFCOM a week in advance changed my 'station address' to East Sussex for the weekend. - So although I was working from a field....they knew where to find me. As for 10 W ERP. - We probably made about 2% of that. Sorry Mal. Oh well. To be continued..? David G0MRF In a message dated 25/05/2009 08:34:52 GMT Standard Time, dave@davesergeant.com writes: On 24 May 2009 at 18:24, James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > Just worked G0MRF at 1705utc. Signal was 549 - apparently they are still > working on the antenna, so might improve yet... Got a good report from > them, so obviously receiving OK. Good luck for the rest of the > operation, David and Garo. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > I listened on and off to David's signal yesterday evening between other jobs. Some observations.... G0MRF (/P but not sending /P, which I thought was a bit confusing) was 569 here in Bracknell, later peaking 579 but the static was intolerable from around 9pm making copy very hard. I did give David a couple of calls after he finished his QSO with Chris G3XIZ but obviously he didn't hear, hardly surprising with my setup and in any case I found the tuning had gone off and I had a bad SWR, a problem with sharply tuned short verticals. -------------------------------1243265844 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all.

Firstly, thank you to Jim and Chris for the QSOs yesterday and for= the=20 many useful reports and comments on the relector.

Some detail.

THE OBJECTIVE: To test the very good theory that horizontal= =20 antennas don't work at LF. The idea being that by operating on very poor gro= und=20 you are actually many 10s of metres above 'radio ground' and therefore the=20 antenna is much higher electrically than you may first imagine. This techniq= ue=20 is used by the US military in underground nuclear command centres to av= oid=20 EMP.

The location in East Sussex is at the top of a hill 170m above sea leve= l.=20 The ground goes down rapidly in two directions which I hoped would also aid=20= the=20 propagation of the 500k signals.

We started off with a reference antenna - A 9m vertical with a 5m top=20 section and intended to use reports and the grabber at G3YXM to evaluate the= =20 radiated signal by comparison to the 100mW ERP 137.7 beacon. This was a big=20 mistake as the poor ground made it very inefficient, with 100 W from the=20 transmitter generating an unimpressive 125mA of antenna current. However, it= did=20 allow a couple of QSOs.

We then added a large amount of wire to the top section to make th= e=20 antenna self resonant. To my surprise, and I'm not sure if this has been don= e=20 before, it worked. Total wire used 128 metres. Series tuning=20 inductance....zero.   Compared to the wavelength of 596m this=20 represents 85% of a quarterwave, which was rather more than I had anticipate= d. I=20 expected the 'shortening effect' to be much greater. Perhaps this was a good= =20 indication that as I suspected the 'ground' under the antenna was either a=20 considerable distance from the surface or, operating from a hilltop had an=20 advantage. Antenna current was now 1A. Still not very good but this was due=20= to=20 us using the quaterwave against a few radials and a single ground rod. = I=20 notice that Rik reports a signal increase between the two different antenna=20 types, but this could be explained by higher current in the vertical rather=20= than=20 any radiation from the horizontal section.

Just when things were looking good, it all went, to use a local term, '= pear=20 shaped'

It began to get dark. The static level wiped out the grabber so w= e=20 could not see our own signal and our final plan to turn the whole thing into= a=20 single horizontal dipole mounted along the ridge of a hilltop had to be=20 abandoned as one of the 2 fields suddenly acquired a large flock of=20 sheep.

So, unfortunately a nice day in the countryside but only a=20 little knowledge gained and the transmitter never turned up beyond=20 100W.

Next time...I'll take a VNA and start with a dipole! At least the= =20 local manager at Homebase wont have to worry where all his 2 m bamboo canes=20= are=20 going anymore. My garage is full of them!

Finally, to answer Dave's question about the callsign. I have=20 probably misread my NOV but I was under the impression that just like the ol= d=20 73k licence, /P was not allowed. Hence a letter to OFCOM a week i= n=20 advance changed my 'station address' to East Sussex for the weekend. - So=20 although I was working from a field....they knew where to find me.

As for 10 W ERP. - We probably made about 2% of that. Sorry= =20 Mal. Oh well.

To be continued..?

David G0MRF

In a message dated 25/05/2009 08:34:52 GMT Standard Time,=20 dave@davesergeant.com writes:

On 24=20 May 2009 at 18:24, James Moritz wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
>=20
> Just worked G0MRF at 1705utc. Signal was 549 - apparently they ar= e=20 still
> working on the antenna, so might improve yet... Got a good=20 report from
> them, so obviously receiving OK. Good luck for the res= t of=20 the
> operation, David and Garo.
>
> Cheers, Jim=20 Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>

I listened on and off= to=20 David's signal yesterday evening between other
jobs.

Some=20 observations....

G0MRF (/P but not sending /P, which I thought was=20= a=20 bit confusing) was
569 here in Bracknell, later peaking 579 but the st= atic=20 was intolerable
from around 9pm making copy very hard.

I did gi= ve=20 David a couple of calls after he finished his QSO with Chris
G3XIZ but= =20 obviously he didn't hear, hardly surprising with my setup and
in any c= ase=20 I found the tuning had gone off and I had a bad SWR, a
problem with=20 sharply tuned short verticals.

-------------------------------1243265844-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de03.mx.aol.com (rly-de03.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.139]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-4c14a12abd31e; Tue, 19 May 2009 08:53:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE032-4c14a12abd31e; Tue, 19 May 2009 08:53:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6OoD-0004mL-FK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:52:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6OoC-0004mC-Oc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:52:40 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6Oo8-0001yO-Ar for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:52:40 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqMGANtIEkpZ8FKy/2dsb2JhbACCIy+CAYc8BoFDwSOEAgU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.82.178]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 13:52:30 +0100 Message-ID: <007401c9d880$abd2c420$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> <20090517222630.ae0y0n55sb7ookoo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8CBA607C4722FC0-157C-146@webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:52:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01C9D889.0D520CD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_20_30, HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C9D889.0D520CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave Where have these BRAVE men gone? along with their exploding BK amplifiers, a= nd smoky Decca Jeeps. I seem to remember when MM0ALM appeared with his home built tube amplifier a= nd antenna array of 4 x 100 ft antenna masts and getting 579 reports on CW f= rom the USA and Canada, those south of Watford capitulated. Others in the Mi= dlands and North perservered and are still going strong.=20 G3KEV =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g0mrf@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: JA ops And yet, the first transatlantic cross band and 136kHz - 136k QSOs both in= volved stations south of Watford.=20 Dream on Crazy diamond. David Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on= 136 and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling i= n that area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.=20 Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as=20= Scotland and still do. -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops This is a meaningless argument about 25 watts and range on LF. One needs t= o know about the actual antenna in use and the resulting ERP.=20 Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 1= 36 and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in=20= that area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.=20 Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Sc= otland and still do.=20 There were also some big signals from EU at the time, unfortunately now al= l gone QRT, all active on CW. =20 =20 G3KEV=20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" =20 To: =20 Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM=20 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops=20 =20 Hi Warren,=20 =20 depends on what you call a neighbour.=20 In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to 400km under=20 similar conditions.=20 =20 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=20 =20 Quoting Warren Ziegler :=20 =20 > Tnx Laurence,=20 >=20 > If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will=20 > have to get some of his neighbors on.=20 >=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS=20 >=20 > On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China >=20= wrote:=20 >>=20 >> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites=20= - >> fyi=20 >> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: ja3vqw Hiroshi=20 >> Hi Laurence=20 >>=20 >> Thanks for your e-mail.=20 >> Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) la= st=20 >> month.=20 >> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO >>= wit h=20 >> any station.=20 >> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz.=20 >> So if you find my signal please QSL me.=20 >> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W.=20 >> The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long.=20 >> 73=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=E2=80=99t worry about stora= ge limits. >> Check=20 >> it out.=20 >> _________________________________________________________________=20 >> Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=C2=AE.=20 >> http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM= _Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS=20 > WD2XGJ=20 > WD2XSH/23=20 > WE2XEB/2=20 > WE2XGR/1=20 >=20 >=20 =20 =20 =20 --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------=20 =20 =20 No virus found in this incoming message.=20 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: 05/18/09= 06:28:00=20 =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Click here to get the very best of AOL, including news, sport, gossip, lif= estyles updates and email.=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Dave

Where have these BRAVE men gone? along with= their=20 exploding BK amplifiers, and smoky Decca Jeeps.

I seem to remember when MM0ALM appeared wit= h his=20 home built tube amplifier and antenna array of 4 x 100 ft antenna masts= and=20 getting 579 reports on CW from the USA and Canada, those south of Watfo= rd=20 capitulated. Others in the Midlands and North perservered and are=20 still going strong.

G3KEV

----- Original Message -----

g0mrf@aol.com <= /DIV>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:41 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: Re: LF: JA ops

And yet, the first transatlantic cross band and 136kHz - 136k QS= Os=20 both involved stations south of Watford.

Dream on Crazy=20 diamond.

David

Early= UK=20 experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136 and=20 could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in tha= t=20 area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.
Some how=20= the=20 big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scotland and=20 still do.

-----Original Message-----
From: ma= l=20 hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27
Subject: R= e:=20 LF: JA ops

This=20 is a meaningless argument about 25 watts and range on LF. One needs to kno= w=20 about the actual antenna in use and the resulting ERP.
Early UK=20 experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136 and co= uld=20 not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in that area.=20= This=20 info appeared in the LF comic at the time.
Some how the big signa= ls=20 eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scotland and still=20 do.
There were also some big signals from EU at the time,=20 unfortunately now all gone QRT, all active on CW. =20

G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- From:=20= "Rik=20 Strobbe" <Rik.Strobb= e@fys.kuleuven.be>
To:=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent:=20 Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JA=20 ops

Hi Warren,

depends on what you c= all=20 a neighbour.
In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to=20 400km under
similar conditions.

73, Rik ON7YD=20= -=20 OR7T

Quoting Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com>:

>=20 Tnx Laurence,
>
> If he's running 25W into a 25m=20 (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will
> have to get some of his= =20 neighbors on.
>
> 73 Warren=20 K2ORS
>
> On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China <= ;hellozerohellozero@ho= tmail.com>=20 > wrote:
>>
>> Ive asked Hiroshi for more= =20 details and passed reflector and info sites - >> fyi
>&g= t;=20 73 Laurence KL1X in windy=20 BY3A
>>
>>
>> From: ja3vqw=20 Hiroshi
>> Hi Laurence
>>
>>=20 Thanks for your e-mail.
>> Yes, I got license form the=20 department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last
>>=20 month.
>> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but= I=20 have not got QSO >> wit h
>> any=20 station.
>> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob=20 136KHz.
>> So if you find my signal please QSL=20 me.
>> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W.
>&g= t;=20 The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long.
>>=20 73
>>
>>
>>
>>=
>>
>>=20 Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=E2=80=99t worry about storage=20= limits. >>=20 Check
>> it out.
>>=20 _________________________________________________________________ >>=20 Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=C2=AE.
>&g= t; http://windowsl= ive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_= 052009
>
>
>=20 --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
>=20 WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB/2
>=20 WE2XGR/1
>
>

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------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C9D889.0D520CD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-a814a044a40314; Fri, 08 May 2009 11:06:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA081-a814a044a40314; Fri, 08 May 2009 11:05:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2RdA-00054E-Pp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:04:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2RdA-000545-Ca for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:04:56 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Rd7-0004Xt-8B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:04:55 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoYHAL/mA0pZ8qTH/2dsb2JhbACCJi2BfYc+BsRqgi2BUAU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.164.199]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 08 May 2009 16:03:45 +0100 Message-ID: <005301c9cfee$2f3aab70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <88d2415e0905080655s4000e8fdyc08621bbb8686b45@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 16:02:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Activity Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C9CFF6.64B640E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C9CFF6.64B640E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G3KEV, G3XIZ and G3DXZ are active nearly every day, also GI4DPE,GW3UEP and G= W4HXO appear now and again plus others. I have heard you on the odd time but your signal is vy weak. de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:55 PM Subject: LF: Activity Dear All, I am concerned at the lack of activity on 500kHz. I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice=20 hear a signal now and again.! Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to 18:30 call on 502.50, QSY up/down. If you don't like this, any other ideas? 73 Laurie G3AQC=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2104 - Release Date: 05/08/09= 06:34:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C9CFF6.64B640E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
G3KEV, G3XIZ and G3DXZ are active nearly ev= ery day,=20 also GI4DPE,GW3UEP and GW4HXO appear now and again plus others.

I have heard you on the odd time but your s= ignal is=20 vy weak.

de G3KEV

----- Original Message -----

lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb

Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:55 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: LF: Activity

Dear All,
I am concerned at the lack of activity on=20 500kHz.
I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice
hear a=20 signal now and again.!
Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to=20 18:30
call on 502.50, QSY up/down. If you don't like this,=20 any
other ideas?
73 Laurie G3AQC

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.0.320 / Viru= s=20 Database: 270.12.21/2104 - Release Date: 05/08/09=20 06:34:00
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C9CFF6.64B640E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de04.mx.aol.com (rly-de04.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.140]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE081-4d04a19944f3d9; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:39:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE047-4d04a19944f3d9; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:39:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Iab-0000dk-JQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:38:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Iab-0000db-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:38:29 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8IaZ-00082T-9Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:38:29 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 May 2009 18:38:16 -0000 Received: from 1Cust178.tnt11.fft4.deu.da.uu.net (HELO kc61d0682c4d14) [149.225.132.178] by mail.gmx.net (mp032) with SMTP; 24 May 2009 20:38:16 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17603633 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Tgzop13yTI9J7pbbB1PmYxx4YLrNTdQNEPJQV69 Bx1G3/WvmuARcC Message-ID: <001301c9dc9e$cc6ed990$b284e195@kc61d0682c4d14> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Thomas_K=C3=B6lpin?= To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:37:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.55 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: SP2KDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Marcin, just called you several times in DFCW but sorry nearly no sign of your signals. Bd QRN on my side, about 40 dBuV peak. No chance with any RX program. So hope to cuagn at better condx! Vy 73 es good luck Tom, DK1IS ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:24 PM Subject: LF: SP2KDS Dr LF Group! We have now QRV 137,708kHz QRSS 3. 73! Marcin SQ2BXI SP2KDS Club From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (rly-dd07.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.154]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD094-b8d4a01b7351bf; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:13:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD077-b8d4a01b7351bf; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:13:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jk2-0006Wi-5B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:13:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jk1-0006WZ-PJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:13:05 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1jjz-0004Yk-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:13:05 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwEAAFUAUpOlrtw/2dsb2JhbACEUMx0hAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.187.112]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 06 May 2009 17:12:58 +0100 Message-ID: <00a201c9ce65$850fe540$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:12:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard Try a 12metre fiberglass telescopic pole to support an inv L using wire size 1mm as long as possible. Use a matching network at the bottom of the vertical part, coil in series to earth. Tap down coil for resonance, tap coax up a few turns from earth end for best match, lowest swr, braid of coax to earth. Use a couple of insulated radials lying on ground and connected to coax earth. This method never fails to work. There are other methods but the above is vy efficient, light and portable. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:53 PM Subject: LF: 500kHz Portable > Dear all > > I am hoping to be granted an NoV for portable operating on 500kHz. I > have parts on order for the GW3UEP Economy transmitter which will be run > on 12 Volts. Suggestions for portable aerials that can be set-up by one > person on remote and windy hilltops will be most welcome. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.19/2099 - Release Date: 05/05/09 13:07:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (rly-mb10.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.168]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-d324a11c118314; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:12:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB106-d324a11c118314; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:12:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M69BZ-0001jJ-Po for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:11:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M69BZ-0001j9-Ck for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:11:45 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f171.google.com ([209.85.218.171]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M69BX-0005fR-6n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:11:45 +0100 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so4462346bwz.4 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:11:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ET/H8qoeidCqkql2lBni9Xw74l7QzBKyXt3ZIhqgtf4=; b=KVGug9hD6q2a2Q3MFKYZi81uf/TvtEyUtWzE/XMHKXsswVokdF4i3KPyWGOZaNfhTV TKCoTIh6PZfyN13PCr6RqT8USyr569S7LEFyFJwQL+oKT5g4vL59h1Xc0eiSxQFX0XnN y8nCYm8kVcBllNz7kM4KYCrdBguaFAuH+w9l0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mguqRowVnbPQoH+w3oXFo3Fcn+rV8xmbQgASFUxrfPQVU8eBguTJKDZdMKYo2PIpfv wrjK1IziP+c/OhgKVzRBIvHVATRKpq+CPBgg1Deo3UKQ87cjYZw2UEltirw9q4xJ0YoT 0SDFbKEBV40lew9Z1cg9xojdaiflNNVNsG/+M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.146 with SMTP id i18mr7183161bkg.33.1242677497293; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:11:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> References: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:11:37 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Beacon - 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5abdfcbedcd046a35663c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m203.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636c5abdfcbedcd046a35663c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's my I/Q design for souncards and narrow band phase shifter as published in April's Radcom (Data Column) and at www.g4jnt.com/LFUpconv.pdf Andy G4JNT wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom 2009/5/18 Richard Newstead g3cwi@btconnect.com > > Any recommended transverter designs for LF? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > - > > --001636c5abdfcbedcd046a35663c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's my I/Q design for souncards and narrow band phase shifter as=A0p= ublished in April's Radcom (Data Column) and at <= span lang=3D"EN-GB">www.g4jnt.= com/LFUpconv.pdf=20
=A0

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Andy =A0G4JNT
wo= bbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom

2009/5/18 Richard Newstead g3cwi@btconnect.com

Any recommended transverter de= signs for LF?

73

Richard
G3CWI
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--001636c5abdfcbedcd046a35663c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG034-a3c4a0dbf363c1; Fri, 15 May 2009 15:15:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG106-a3c4a0dbf363c1; Fri, 15 May 2009 15:15:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M52rQ-0000Ef-3X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:14:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M52rP-0000EV-Ho for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:14:23 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M52rL-00011W-PA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:14:22 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhAFAN5bDUpOlr7O/2dsb2JhbACCJS2BfYdCBsQshAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.190.206]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 20:14:14 +0100 Message-ID: <008701c9d591$55d55bb0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <007a01c9d58f$45a60e80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:14:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: BC-221-T Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0084_01C9D599.B47181A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C9D599.B47181A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ps Some were made by BENDIX PHILADELPHIA=20 I also have the original handbook ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 7:59 PM Subject: LF: BC-221-T I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would make a nice OSC/driver for MF. It=20= is mint condx but has not been used for years. Some will be familiar with th= is unit, vintage WWII made in the USA (ZENITH RADIO CORPORATION CHICAGO) May= be someone knows the man that made it !! mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.30/2115 - Release Date: 05/14/09= 17:54:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C9D599.B47181A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ps

Some were made by BENDIX PHILADELPHIA

I also have the original handbook

----- Original Message -----

mal= =20 hamilton

To: rsgb

Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 7:59 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: LF: BC-221-T

I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would m= ake a=20 nice OSC/driver for MF. It is mint condx but has not been used for years.=20= Some=20 will be familiar with this unit, vintage WWII made in the USA (ZENITH RADI= O=20 CORPORATION CHICAGO) Maybe someone knows the man that made it !!

mal/g3kev

No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C9D599.B47181A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG072-5db4a12af2d95; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:08:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG074-5db4a12af2d95; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:08:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6P2K-0004u1-Ls for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:07:16 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6P2K-0004ts-5f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:07:16 +0100 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6P2I-0002TA-Rk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:07:16 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-31-132.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.31.132] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1M6P2F-00081Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:07:11 +0100 Message-ID: <4A12B248.5000304@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:21:12 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> <20090517222630.ae0y0n55sb7ookoo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8CBA607C4722FC0-157C-146@webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com> <007401c9d880$abd2c420$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <007401c9d880$abd2c420$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > Dave > Where have these BRAVE men gone? along with their exploding BK > amplifiers, and smoky Decca Jeeps. > I seem to remember when MM0ALM appeared with his home built tube > amplifier and antenna array of 4 x 100 ft antenna masts and getting > 579 reports on CW from the USA and Canada, those south of Watford > capitulated. Others in the Midlands and North perservered and are > still going strong. > G3KEV One gets the impression that the elevator doesn't go to the top floor Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC054-b2549fd5c2d2fe; Sun, 03 May 2009 04:56:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC061-b2549fd5c2d2fe; Sun, 03 May 2009 04:56:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0XT7-0001aH-Fb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 09:54:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0XT7-0001a8-0c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 09:54:41 +0100 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0XT4-000554-2W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 09:54:40 +0100 Received: from r300-1 ([194.25.41.40]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n438t3le017256 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:55:03 +0200 From: "Uwe Jannsen" To: Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 10:53:29 Message-ID: <00DC07D9050308351D14E@kabelmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,INVALID_DATE=1.76 Subject: Re: LF: RU beacons May 1-2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Ed, RST 569 at 2200UTC last night. regards Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv=20 -------- Kabel E-Mail Reply --------------- From: ed@dx.ru To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 29.04.2009 21:49:02 Dear LF enthusiasts! I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z, on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3. QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May) abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical) QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop) Reports welcome 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF031-5344a06e6eb352; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:38:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF027-5344a06e6eb352; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:38:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3AA6-0007j9-5D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:37:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3AA5-0007j0-Lt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:37:53 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3AA2-0000Si-QB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:37:53 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah0FAPKCBkpOlrUT/2dsb2JhbACEUMdXg34F Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.181.19]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 10 May 2009 15:36:45 +0100 Message-ID: <007601c9d17c$be3b5880$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A06C298.8040006@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:36:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Cross-band contacts Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard I work xband frequently. I often work Russian xband 500/7033 Khz and 500/137 Khz. on CW. I likewise work the USA/Canada xb on 7033 at night time, 7 Mhz is a good choice and usually the propagation is reliable worldwide during night time on this band. Other freqs that I use are 3533 Khz for local and EU QSO'S. I have worked about 30 EU countries to date. Over the years I have used most bands for XB qso's inc 144 Mhz. 73 and fire away de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:03 PM Subject: LF: Cross-band contacts > Dear MFers > > A few of the SOTA crowd have started taking an interest in 500kHz since > I mentioned it on their reflector. Some have been listening and hearing > people. Are there any restrictions on making cross-band contacts (say > 80m-500kHz)? That seems like a good way to get a few people interested. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI (currently untangling wire for use as radials) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 11:43:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df01.mx.aol.com (rly-df01.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.14]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-5264a033df518; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:00:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF013-5264a033df518; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:00:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M29lG-0002lP-O0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:00:06 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M29lG-0002lG-52 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:00:06 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr14.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.132]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M29lA-0007CA-R9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:00:06 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2bthomr14.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DCL25492; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:58:40 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 20:58:41 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr14.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0206.4A033D70.016A,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all My 600m NoV has been confirmed and is in the post. I have the parts for the transmitter and an ATU. I have kites and plenty of wire. Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df07.mx.aol.com (rly-df07.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.20]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-5644a178954154; Sat, 23 May 2009 01:28:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF075-5644a178954154; Sat, 23 May 2009 01:27:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7jku-0002CH-LY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:26:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7jku-0002C8-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:26:48 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.177]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7jkr-0002sj-QL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:26:47 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host86-177-27-16.range86-177.btcentralplus.com [86.177.27.16]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKuxg-1M7jkk1YHc-0000vQ; Sat, 23 May 2009 07:26:38 +0200 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 06:26:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A17971E.15551.BA8BD@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <8CBA943F0C92715-A70-10C3@WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBA943F0C92715-A70-10C3@WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19SubRkrAhp2NPGeV2ozkGbUKW+oKjzHpWbe3Z nE4U3g9Koq8z361/ctZlgPVwQpDBTtoDubV4eWhM+FWtS08Ltb xayPFVp8PJQhG8bESQZ1fh6YDJJKYyf X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: CQ DX 500k Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 22 May 2009 at 18:29, g0mrf@aol.com wrote: > One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well > established 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. CQWPX is next weekend, May 30-31st. There are no other contests listed for this weekend (apart from the UN contest which finishes at midday Sunday). 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD042-91a4a1c4d6127; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:13:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD082-91a4a1c4d6127; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:13:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M930P-0006kF-QF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:12:13 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M930P-0006k6-7A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:12:13 +0100 Received: from smtp816.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.16]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M930N-0005cQ-4p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:12:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 7655 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 20:12:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Lr410E7MNzitS17J8gFc8AiQfcboMT6WHnAP9/qUqyGI77ALvI2XdyNUYMVxXtt2c/+SMa/y6Ai7asf3UvD+Q9lC+lrQE3iA6cBAEnMDhAvM9zNVLpWThxAoWBVsmXYEg/a3NPggSQEun4F4fwaz/3vpf3EShmsM6yNUj5dpCQY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp816.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2009 20:12:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .rTn3pAVM1lW5rXUSdiZj04HmFWs2yNG2HnEgyHNfnOGrfVjDvncmqCcquKvlsFC2a5frNMQBL.qLzh1Bn9.QS1n.MKiC_MKSxAj59furGXvFyIRIAOFl5xHkSNNLsw5SGFUA_Rznv5V35r2V789GHjoSSdXdfIzaiD9QcsgCp3nFHccNi5VU1WAav8K0jxhqonuWCqNkxBox1urcoI6xfv0 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:12:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear David, LF Group, Thanks for the QSO on Sunday, and the details of the experiment. > We started off with a reference antenna - A 9m vertical with a 5m top > section ... the poor ground made it very inefficient, with 100 W from the > transmitter generating an unimpressive 125mA of antenna current. Assuming the transmitter was matched to the antenna and delivering the full 100W, the resistive component of the antenna impedance to get 125mA works out to a remarkable 6400 ohms, which seems a little suspicious, and would require a very poor ground indeed! The lambda/4 top load giving antenna current of 1A at the same power amounts to a resistance of 100 ohms - a remarkable reduction, if the ground system was the same. ... I expected the 'shortening > effect' to be much greater. Perhaps this was a good indication that as I > suspected the 'ground' under the antenna was either a considerable > distance > from the surface or, operating from a hilltop had an advantage Or it could be that the effective ground was so close to the actual ground level that most of the antenna's fields were in the air, and only a minor shortening effect was present - the antenna might then be modelled as an open-circuit quarter wave transmission line stub, with the wire as one conductor and the ground as the other, rather lossy, conductor. ...our final plan to turn the whole thing into a > single horizontal dipole mounted along the ridge of a hilltop had to be > abandoned as one of the 2 fields suddenly acquired a large flock of > sheep. > ...Reminds me of the Puckeridge Decca site, with the flock of sheep charging around in the dark and rain, for their own reasons! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC063-b0849fb76b957; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:25:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC024-b0849fb76b957; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:25:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M018t-0004e4-4q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:23:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M018s-0004dv-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:23:38 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.214]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M018q-00086B-NT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:23:38 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W26 ([64.4.56.126]) by bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 1 May 2009 15:23:25 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 00:23:25 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> References: <555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2009 22:23:25.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[721050A0:01C9CAAB] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_88aa7947-92fa-484b-9e60-b0b057c673b5_" Subject: LF: Big signal RU6LA X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_88aa7947-92fa-484b-9e60-b0b057c673b5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Ed, LF! Your signal is 35dB over the noise. It is unbelievable signal here. I just see FB signal "WPF" 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:32:07 +0400 > From: ed@dx.ru > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: RU beacons May 1-2 > > Dear LF enthusiasts! > > I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z, > on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3. > > QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May) > abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical) > QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop) > > Reports welcome > > 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru > > _________________________________________________________________ What's New v�m to �ekne hned, jak se to stane. Uka� mi jak. http://home.live.com/ --_88aa7947-92fa-484b-9e60-b0b057c673b5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Ed, LF!
Your signal is 35dB over the noise. It is unbelievable signal here.
I just see FB signal "WPF"

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:32:07 +0400
> From: ed@dx.ru
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: RU beacons May 1-2
>
> Dear LF enthusiasts!
>
> I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z,
> on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3.
>
> QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May)
> abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical)
> QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop)
>
> Reports welcome
>
> 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru
>
>

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Klikni zde! --_88aa7947-92fa-484b-9e60-b0b057c673b5_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG041-9f84a01af091fb; Wed, 06 May 2009 11:39:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG022-9f84a01af091fb; Wed, 06 May 2009 11:38:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jCU-00061G-GH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:38:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jCU-000617-59 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:38:26 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr03.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.121]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1jCS-0004uP-O8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:38:26 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2bthomr03.btconnect.com with ESMTP id BOR43536; Wed, 6 May 2009 16:37:03 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:37:04 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr03.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0203.4A01AEA0.0082,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Test 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Test 2 - please ignore From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD091-b634a01da622f4; Wed, 06 May 2009 14:43:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD025-b634a01da622f4; Wed, 06 May 2009 14:43:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1m5B-00075T-Gn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:43:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1m5B-00075K-7C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:43:05 +0100 Received: from [80.68.4.13] (helo=dx.ru) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1m57-0005Yy-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:43:04 +0100 Received: from 238.41.117.87.donpac.ru ([87.117.41.238] helo=192.168.1.3) by dx.ru with esmtpa auth=ed@dx.ru id 1M1m50-000I14-Rx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:42:55 +0400 Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:41:49 +0400 From: Ed RU6LA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.7) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1443477624.20090506224149@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: RU6LA's acty 8 May Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF enthusiasts! I'll work 8 May on 137 kHz band 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de07.mx.aol.com (rly-de07.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.143]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE043-4e94a0896322fc; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:18:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE072-4e94a0896322fc; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:18:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3css-0006LA-TL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:18:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3css-0006L1-Il for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:18:02 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3cso-0000kK-TB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:18:01 +0100 thread-index: AcnSffEqQWBsN6jfSDucAcJXaUQ5ug== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:17:50 +0100 Message-ID: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9D28E.B3278370" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9D28E.B3278370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9D28E.B3278370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kH= z=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW i= d=20 include....

Reports are wellcome.

73 de Gus=20 SM6BHZ
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9D28E.B3278370-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB014-ac04a0b065c58; Wed, 13 May 2009 13:42:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB046-ac04a0b065c58; Wed, 13 May 2009 13:41:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4ISA-0005QH-Ig for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:41:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4ISA-0005Q8-6O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:41:14 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr03.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.121]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4IS7-0006no-Ne for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:41:14 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host81-155-60-146.range81-155.btcentralplus.com [81.155.60.146]) by c2bthomr03.btconnect.com with ESMTP id BPN01377; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:41:06 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0B0633.4040302@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:41:07 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> <006401c9d3f0$729cf2f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <006401c9d3f0$729cf2f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr03.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0201.4A0B0632.0130,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > Richard > Your Beacon is in the middle of the CW qso area. If possible move to > the low band edge. > mal/g3kev > > Hi Mal Comment noted. It was where the data tests were the other night so I thought it might be OK (it is narrower than they were). Where would folk recommend for tests of this sort? 73 Richard G3CWI -- SOTA Beams Quality products for Radio Amateurs http://www.sotabeams.co.uk Tel: 01625-425700 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de11.mx.aol.com (rly-de11.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.147]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE064-5144a22474d2bd; Sun, 31 May 2009 05:01:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE115-5144a22474d2bd; Sun, 31 May 2009 05:01:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAgu2-0007qZ-Oa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:00:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAgu2-0007qQ-EL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:00:26 +0100 Received: from xsmtp02.mail2web.com ([168.144.250.215]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAgu0-0008Fn-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:00:25 +0100 Received: from [168.144.108.36] (helo=M2W030.mail2web.com) by xsmtp02.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAgtq-0006d8-8V; Sun, 31 May 2009 05:00:19 -0400 Message-ID: <380-2200950319014245@M2W030.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 217.67.146.136 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "john.rabson@wanadoo.fr" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 05:00:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: F1AFJ 20dB over QRN on 137.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) At 0850z. Argo set to 3sec dots. F5VLF Burgundy -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com =96 Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft= =AE Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF082-5534a12f0a817f; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:47:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF058-5534a12f0a817f; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:47:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6TOj-00060j-IJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:46:41 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6TOj-00060a-5z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:46:41 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6TOh-0004Eq-52 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:46:41 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlsFAHONEkpOkJHW/2dsb2JhbACCUoIBhF2CXwbEDIQCBQ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.145.214]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 18:46:31 +0100 Message-ID: <00a501c9d8a9$becf5060$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:46:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LF/MF NOW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C9D8B2.2049DE20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C9D8B2.2049DE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am now QRV on 137.7 and 502.6 calling CQ 1744 utc also QSX 7033 Khz, espec= ially look for EU contacts. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C9D8B2.2049DE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am now QRV on 137.7 and 502.6 calling CQ=20= 1744 utc=20 also QSX 7033 Khz, especially look for EU contacts.

de mal/g3kev

------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C9D8B2.2049DE20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-b494a0207e47b; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:58:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC105-b494a0207e47b; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:57:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1p74-0000Gr-QJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:57:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1p74-0000Gi-7e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:57:14 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1p71-000790-Q1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:57:14 +0100 thread-index: AcnOlYrsUmILW8C4ROmyQH6l8nxhBQ== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:56:42 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A020399.70309@toya.net.pl> In-Reply-To: <4A020399.70309@toya.net.pl> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 23:56:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: wspr r1.12 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Peter and group, I just run the new release, dial 503 kHz tx 504,5 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piotr Młynarski" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:39 PM Subject: LF: wspr r1.12 > Hello LF Group, > a new release of wspr software ( v1.12) is available to download from > wsjt home pages > now you can type in the LF/MF frequencies without problems which were > present in the 1.11 version > > 73 de peter, > sq7mpj > qth: lodz /jo91rs/ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD081-b804a1e1a9a263; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:01:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD062-b804a1e1a9a263; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:01:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9Xic-0001SY-LU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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boundary="_08b34131-6bdb-4ab8-baaf-773396df5aa2_" Subject: LF: Re: reports DI2AM OK0EMW SK6RUD X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_08b34131-6bdb-4ab8-baaf-773396df5aa2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Marcin, Dennis and LF! Thanks for interesting informations about OK0EMW�s signal. I know, there is a lot of QRN on the LF/MW bands. My beacom will be on the air every night, except time of local storms. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ******************** > From: bxi@go2.pl > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:18:43 +0200 > Subject: LF: Re: reports DI2AM OK0EMW SK6RUD > > Hello! > Now 500kHz SWL on North Poland: > SM6BHZ 57/579, audio: http://www.sp2kds.pl/attachments/205_sm6bhz.mp3 > SK6RUD on CW 345, strong local QRM > DI2AM only QRSS "O" > OK0EMW only QRSS "O" > Locator: JO94GJ; RX: IC746; antenna: HF long windom 83m > -- > Vy 73! > Marcin SQ2BXI > QTH: Gdansk-JO94GJ _________________________________________________________________ What's New v�m to �ekne hned, jak se to stane. Uka� mi jak. http://home.live.com/ --_08b34131-6bdb-4ab8-baaf-773396df5aa2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Marcin, Dennis and LF!
Thanks for interesting informations about OK0EMW�s signal. I know, there is a lot of QRN on the LF/MW bands. My beacom will be on the air every night, except time of local storms.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

********************

> From: bxi@go2.pl
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:18:43 +0200
> Subject: LF: Re: reports DI2AM OK0EMW SK6RUD
>
> Hello!
> Now 500kHz SWL on North Poland:
> SM6BHZ 57/579, audio: http://www.sp2kds.pl/attachments/205_sm6bhz.mp3
> SK6RUD on CW 345, strong local QRM
> DI2AM only QRSS "O"
> OK0EMW only QRSS "O"
> Locator: JO94GJ; RX: IC746; antenna: HF long windom 83m
> --
> Vy 73!
> Marcin SQ2BXI
> QTH: Gdansk-JO94GJ

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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > G3KEV, G3XIZ and G3DXZ are active nearly every day, also GI4DPE,GW3UEP > and GW4HXO appear now and again plus others. > I have heard you on the odd time but your signal is vy weak. > Mal I can hear you calling CQ on 500kHz right now. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-4d54a06108a54; Sat, 09 May 2009 19:24:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE052-4d54a06108a54; Sat, 09 May 2009 19:23:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2vt3-0003tR-FX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:23:21 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2vt3-0003tI-4m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:23:21 +0100 Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com ([64.136.55.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2vt0-0008BR-Oi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:23:21 +0100 X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABFANEBWAT7ZFFJ for (sender ); Sat, 9 May 2009 16:22:28 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewNBQFsbdNq/HgT4C6uAgLcmEUo018QSV8w== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m03.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PF6HZFLN; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:22:11 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 18:50:44 -0400 Message-ID: <20090509.192117.1456.2.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3904990799 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|riese-k3djc@juno.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: look around you Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 G O D just found it,,,,, I know its off topic but thank you BBC Bob K3DJC ____________________________________________________________ Stuck in a dead end job?? Click to start living your dreams by earning an online degree. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTKL6gsByNThfGhJezRzu2474yR8GhgF9HlUOT6pFTDmGzDzCJ42y8/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA101-a544a05497d235; Sat, 09 May 2009 05:14:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA024-a544a05497d235; Sat, 09 May 2009 05:14:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2idK-0001QY-7X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 10:14:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2idJ-0001QP-QZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 10:14:13 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s8.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2idH-0004oy-KV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 10:14:13 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W28 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s8.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 9 May 2009 02:13:44 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [60.27.206.109] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 01:13:44 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> <4A053B34.6050807@btconnect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2009 09:13:44.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[73D87350:01C9D086] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f1ec2e91-e9b8-4c4f-8f92-084e12e4c702_" Subject: RE: LF: 500kHz Portable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_f1ec2e91-e9b8-4c4f-8f92-084e12e4c702_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Richard - long time... Good luck on 500 - its still in use out here in Ch= ina by a few coast stations, traffic and obs etc. If I were 8000Kms closer a= nd all that! =20 Flo =20 =20 Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:24:35 +0100 From: andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable You've had several replies! =20 Surely you should be looking at more than 100km for daylight range, Richard.= See if you can hear my beacon on 503.7kHz, transmitting every 15 minutes= at 04/19/34 and 49 minutes past the hour, using the same format as the RAL/= ORK/WES 5MHz beacons, but PSK31 for the 30 - 48 second period. =20 That has an ERP in the region of 23dBm and is rather less potent than most s= tations on the band. And BTW, I don't do QSOs - as you may have gathered= from postings re 10GHz :-( =20 Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com =20 2009/5/9 Richard Newstead Richard Newstead wrote: Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in Macclesfield? I= s this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I also play)? Surely= there will be someone within daylight range of me? 73 Richard G3CWI _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto= rial_QuickAdd1_052009=3D --_f1ec2e91-e9b8-4c4f-8f92-084e12e4c702_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Richard - long time... Good luck on 500 - its still in use out here in Ch= ina by a few coast stations, traffic and obs etc. If I were 8000Kms closer a= nd all that!

Flo

Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:24:35 +0100
From: andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com
T= o: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable

You've had several replies!

Surely you should be looking at more than 100km for daylight range, Ric= hard. See if you can hear my beacon on 503.7kHz, transmitt= ing every 15 minutes at 04/19/34 and 49 minutes past the hour, using the sam= e format as the RAL/ORK/WES 5MHz beacons, but PSK31 for the 30 - 48 second p= eriod.

That has an ERP in the region of 23dBm and is rather less potent than m= ost stations on the band.  And BTW, I don't do QSOs&nb= sp; - as you may have gathered from postings re 10GHz :-(

Andy G4JNT
w= ww.g4jnt.com

2009/5/9 Richard Newstead <g3cwi@btconnect.com>

Richard Newstead wrote:

Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of m= e in Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts?
Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I als= o play)? Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me?

73=

Richard
G3CWI

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See how. =3D --_f1ec2e91-e9b8-4c4f-8f92-084e12e4c702_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (rly-mb11.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB063-d3c4a17dcdd2a; Sat, 23 May 2009 07:24:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB118-d3c4a17dcdd2a; Sat, 23 May 2009 07:24:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7pKH-0003EH-J3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:23:41 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7pKH-0003E8-6Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:23:41 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr02.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.180]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7pKF-0004lG-N6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:23:41 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2beaomr02.btconnect.com with ESMTP id BTX26473; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:23:34 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A17DCB8.4070302@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:23:36 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003601c9daf5$0351b960$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A17C742.2000603@btconnect.com> <4A17DA30.2020602@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A17DA30.2020602@btconnect.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr02.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0207.4A17DCB6.0212,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF REPORTS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Richard Newstead wrote: > GW3UEP beaconing on 501.38. Very weak here. 1110z. > > Dear all Actually it took me quite a while to decipher Rogers callsign and in doing so it occurred to me that 500kHz in the day is a good band for testing DSP noise reduction as it is noisy but the groundwave is very constant. I did just that with the FT1000 here and found that none of the four noise reduction options helped. What did help was the 60Hz DSP filter. I estimate that it gave between 1 and 2dB improvement over my ears which was just enough to lift the callsign from unreadable to just readable (with difficulty). I have never been able to do that sort of test as easily on the other bands. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD054-91e4a167ffe313; Fri, 22 May 2009 06:35:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD086-91e4a167ffe313; Fri, 22 May 2009 06:35:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7S4V-0000Tz-AC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 11:33:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7S4U-0000Tq-PW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 11:33:50 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7S4S-0005Gc-BL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 11:33:50 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgwFAMMbFkpOkoh1/2dsb2JhbACCUoICh0IGxgiECwU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.146.136.117]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 11:33:40 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c9dac8$c620ea10$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:33:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: xband Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C9DAD1.275FCE60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C9DAD1.275FCE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now CQ 502.6 Khz qsx 7033 khz 1022utc G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C9DAD1.275FCE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now CQ 502.6 Khz qsx 7033 khz 1022utc

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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C9DAD1.275FCE60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF084-95e4a0d9226148; Fri, 15 May 2009 12:02:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF054-95e4a0d9226148; Fri, 15 May 2009 12:02:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4zr3-0007au-5P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:01:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4zr2-0007al-Q4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:01:48 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr01.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.119]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4zqy-00088i-I8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:01:48 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host81-155-60-146.range81-155.btcentralplus.com [81.155.60.146]) by c2bthomr01.btconnect.com with ESMTP id LGK51808; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:01:38 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:01:39 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr01.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0202.4A0D91E3.00D1,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Aerial current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) After my success in getting more current into the aerial yesterday I decided to measure the RF current in the link (link coupled ATU) with a proper RF ammeter. I was somewhat surprised that the current pinned my 1 Amp RF meter. How can that be? I can think of some possible reasons: 1) The meter is wrong (it must be nearly 70 years old) 2) The impedance is not 50 Ohms which is odd because I assume the TX is designed to have a 50 Ohm output and I carefully adjusted the link for maximum power transfer last night). 3) The transmitter is giving out far more power than expected (seems unlikely). Any ideas? Incidentally, am I best to measure current in the link or in the aerail wire? 73 Richard PS - beacon on again 501.6kHz. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA093-a584a1566611e5; Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA028-a584a1566611e5; Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M79KP-0007PK-Ih for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:33:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M79KP-0007PB-6J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:33:01 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.145]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M79KM-0000P2-Qt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:33:01 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so678868qwj.16 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:32:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2gCJFfTJXEEe/bfwTwUixxj8SIJxvRxscahhOUecSQo=; b=iQPVtPAERkiyB76OXq4faWTGh19LZGzO7+lTUWgd2qJ7lAAbVlxhgocvEi+8Od75I/ o7HnYfbpCFMuOB0+YUb0pTykeWZubvclxo5Kvb/9q4oRpHTLvry/yen/GMub9xBmTvEi igxFPP9EpYyYKtHudzKDLr8lQdmOB2VXbC1hU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Kto9ll8Vnipz9w6hJe+If/KLXRP5BJHNGNLeFnVuRo1QuQHyxrLuAGaGM/nIquC46g KBZjC6W9Fn+ySYtYaZeDtmb/j+g5WEc/f1fGBtD8k5qk7s8FGq41iHvUwzYWrDA662xp 838FYt1ssXOvL/ziH//hnSF2j7gL2k52uDjYc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.19.131 with SMTP id a3mr2657648qab.23.1242916377265; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:32:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A153977.6090206@charter.net> References: <4A151431.8020909@gmx.de> <4A153977.6090206@charter.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:32:57 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905210732q3444ff5al9820338faee1097e@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XES and XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d268.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Hartmut, good to have you back listening. On 5/21/09, John Andrews wrote: > Hartmut, > > Thanks for the report. Good to have you watching! > > John, W1TAG > > Hartmut Wolff wrote: >> A capture can be seen here: >> >> http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA031-8ba4a02c27d3e4; Thu, 07 May 2009 07:14:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA074-8ba4a02c27d3e4; Thu, 07 May 2009 07:14:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M21Wt-0001Mx-HG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:12:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M21Wt-0001Mo-26 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:12:43 +0100 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M21Wq-0003se-Ox for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:12:42 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-19-222.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.19.222] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1M21Wn-000MOR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:12:37 +0100 Message-ID: <4A02C555.3020704@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:26:13 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <008501c9ce63$c07ecf30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905061229w6c853f60w291cca01c39eec09@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70905061229w6c853f60w291cca01c39eec09@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Decca 5501Jeep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Warren I fully agree with you. The Decca 5501's were used in unattended stations and transmitting 24/7 under a very heavy duty cycle. There were several transmitters all in the same rack transmitting at the same time on different frequencies feeding into the same antenna through an ingenious automatic multi-tuning system - a remarkable bit of radio engineering. I blew the FETs in one of the amplifier units because my 5501 had been modified to be dual band 73 and 136kHz and one day when I QSYed I forgot to change all the necessary coil taps. Check out G4FTCs web site for some interesting pictures of the Decca stations. Regards Peter, G3LDO > Mal, > > You couldn't be more wrong!!! > I have been running a Decca in QRSS 60 for several years now at full > power + often overnight and occasionally for days at time with ZERO > transmitter failures. The Decca runs cool at 1.4 - 1.5 kW DC input. > Perhaps you are not allowing for sufficient air circulation through > the heat sinks. My Decca is in a rack with plenty of clearance above > and below for the air to circulate. I don't think that it's a good > idea to run the Decca sitting on a table as I've seen done in some > shack pictures. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF061-58c49ff56f6256; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:58:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF115-58c49ff56f6256; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:58:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M15EY-0007E8-Js for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:57:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M15EY-0007Dz-86 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:57:54 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.191] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M15EV-0003hj-GT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:57:53 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3617.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 22CA1700008A for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:57:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.16.142]) by mwinf3617.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id DAD277000088 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:57:43 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090504205743896.DAD277000088@mwinf3617.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <629879748.20090504224655@web.de> In-Reply-To: <629879748.20090504224655@web.de> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 21:57:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 google for :- fldigi multipsk , mmtty - rtty only - but very good .. lots of settings dm780 .. good but needs a fast pc fldigi is a good multi mode prog ..nice and simple to use , good decode .. actually better than digi-pan for psk31 ..................................... Or one or two listed :- http://www.muenster.de/~welp/sb.htm Hope that's of use G ... -------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Oexner" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:46 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: rtty test > > Hello Rik & list, > > >> dear all, > >> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >> 21UTC Reports and/or reply welcome. > > What would be a suitable program to decode this transmission? Baud > rate 45 Bd? > > > -- > vy 73 + gd DX, > > Michael > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.17/2095 - Release Date: 05/04/09 > 06:00:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-aaf4a01b1412b4; Wed, 06 May 2009 11:48:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB025-aaf4a01b1412b4; Wed, 06 May 2009 11:48:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jLL-00068u-Jz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:47:35 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jLL-00068l-7e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:47:35 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1jLJ-000514-JN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:47:35 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwEAOZMAUpOlrtw/2dsb2JhbACEUM0AhAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.187.112]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 06 May 2009 16:45:21 +0100 Message-ID: <006401c9ce61$a9d30be0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <20090505145733.ZR0ZK.2161725.root@mp14> <000201c9cde4$c3008ac0$0b01a8c0@weazle> <000f01c9ce0e$d6594b50$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:45:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: JA3VQW in the cluster! Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Yes good signal g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:51 AM Subject: LF: JA3VQW in the cluster! > Hello LF, > The first Japanese station? > > 73 > Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.18/2096 - Release Date: 05/04/09 17:51:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE062-4b749fdd10a296; Sun, 03 May 2009 13:15:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE022-4b749fdd10a296; Sun, 03 May 2009 13:14:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0fFi-0003qp-7A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 18:13:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0fFh-0003qg-R6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 18:13:21 +0100 Received: from web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([87.248.110.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0fFh-0006rw-6t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 18:13:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 18802 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2009 17:13:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1241370795; bh=2JKAEZp+5oVNSpcrChLEPk3LtOeqqIzIES8pg/LAiac=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0+HvFN2llPjbMiXvW6UtiC/mSfhgN2M2y/SkuYOtzuxk3/pkXB8YwB+s+kY+c/agu6LzUfSNszZ4NXriuhz8FEVZqJ77jdkrU9WKdBXf/GiqMD+86K2BuRr65e/Fy7OE9BhWjcrgtubVkpwqoNKC2LMaKJhff5KUCwNrTpb8Gyo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eA2rqeO+HfzyhChfAE/Uy+pbHUG9PocIWE9Q6PcbTYJU11a7VeMPUvNJ8oaOc2z7QFO/jp7upTHYpR/eBHgpa/+ybTNWyGwkzcPm7+FTW0b1VyIwWS1g3rOipRgaLYcO4Wiqql1MjPlKq9NiXOmdtzMF9WL+1MBHVJcXtXPAs/A=; Message-ID: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6OW.yP8VM1k7jRx7WFKEVMDzNjEkIUj6ukT77_aRpIzKGC2Wumz7_ZP0A9aGQpmcl7.ibUCKeGz3qbEHp_A9ZDh6x03QIJnXfCwvbOwn3sFAjKzunA1DxqyiAovex8Zka5DHQxHFWEcrKN93Qkw.AmfIXRkNJwgZDg1x3TcL.ngfAnIGiP69ERxj800La0Km.jLpZuSolBRzJ8uumffm.crNjCgbZH9dtqngLskoSqWBsuwLiJlZjzyBC3Nb5IOXx.oKRn4af.2OJQ-- Received: from [80.6.43.68] by web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 May 2009 17:13:14 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 17:13:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Osborn To: LF Group MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-333623728-1241370794=:17766" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d252.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail --0-333623728-1241370794=:17766 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF, I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook), modified for use on the 500 kHz band. I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering availabl= e components, the differences being: a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published varicaps. b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the publish= ed LW coil. I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet=20= the=20 field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and c= an vary up to 30 %. I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've spent= hours trying to correct it. 73 Chris G3XIZ =20 --0-333623728-1241370794=:17766 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF,

I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (L= F Experimenters' Handbook),
modified for use on the 500 kHz band.

= I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering availabl= e components,
the differences being:
a) I have used a small variable c= apacitor instead of the published varicaps.
b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in th= e front end instead of dual gate mosfets.
c) Obviously I now use the MW c= oil of the ferrite rod instead of the published LW coil.

I have made=20= a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet the
fiel= d strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and can v= ary up to
30 %.

I would be most grateful for any advice on curing=20= this problem as I've spent hours trying
to correct it.

73 Chris G3XIZ

--0-333623728-1241370794=:17766-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma08.mx.aol.com (rly-ma08.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.52]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA033-8c14a217dc3f1; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:41:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA083-8c14a217dc3f1; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:41:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MATTR-0003AQ-Gb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:40:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MATTQ-0003AH-RO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:40:04 +0100 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MATTP-0007kh-R9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:40:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 78534 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2009 18:39:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1243708798; bh=OLndFDp0wAeF3FWXbGJNKXQGy9WaDk2zfN2SY7Vgh+k=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ngVv1BhobBrENrN4vu6bPY+A5q30zmfKY2K1B8Km0bhr5VbiJpzcCruBaP17E7DxJRN3jZ/1RMQDqePmXa0kMkCI0AFUDOVngyhJMYZlGgytM+i5UkUlAvDi7Ag+kHcsj1i70ySKXs/oz9rAzSkxhAm2MCUjpzhCaodTfSH895c= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lVfh4SpNjF1T396v42r/IRjS3hP07ppu04JMQlT+3lE3xCmg0eII0onNPxBxFbBEEqBYASIAO1FNE2oMQpodpJmVOBu8ZfHFMgxJbrKWpZvzH/8ZkEVDwfZKpwSDxYAIZSW9DN7nswexXkmqyCnqVwtVBW0Ilh8MIzg/GE2rtI0=; Message-ID: <513649.77849.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DW2lQvwVM1nB0thrBqupIoSO5wmsn.2.AI_g9xQE1uliuwu2qrmb0vP8XzTADwQ0AyBhrCC_EyFrgr9TaNUa9vcYsnm4lQYK8wqiGRUhh.zpdOLS1UCZbJWeHwsCbO4gM90O._ldOGJjrntl8elKYOySQJsOU6cLInsz3sTrwIrLz5kAYuTTyuhlQtLtJdyxaJOgXcuLwTwK3GP1Vc1Njs9aOoTJCOXAjWsp3p9f8oLfZZeX_TOb_jD3hLlfn_votlWOK_QdGbUZ6_wrGAL_rTWecwZ_SJx_G6Sn_Fj9LZoYAX_ozSfdZnDE_ot3HMvXyyiQ Received: from [86.130.65.241] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:39:58 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:39:58 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1363290026-1243708798=:77849" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m227.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1363290026-1243708798=:77849 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=20 =C2=A0 Don't know who's asking but this outfit comes recommended just tell him what= you want and what in not important i.e. pin type etc, and he will sort out=20= the cheapest xtal for you. =C2=A0 There is a guy in the USA who has a load of FT? xtals but owing to postage t= hey come out slightly more expencive than Vincent.... try him. See my exchan= ges with him below...... =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0vy 73 pete M0fmt=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Flag this message Re: FW: 7.23 meg Xtal quote please Sunday, 19 April, 2009 2:50 PM From:=20 "M0FMT" View contact details=20 To:=20 "vincent jakomin" Hi=C2=A0Vincent=20 Order in post see below.... thanks=20 Please supply one (1) off:-=20 7.230 MHz, HC6/U, Std Stab,=C2=A0Pin End Pckge, Par Res, Fund, 30pF load C .= .. =C2=A33-95/unit=20 Cheque to the value =C2=A36-84=C2=A0(=C2=A33-95 + =C2=A32p&p + =C2=A30-89 (V= AT @15%)=C2=A0=3D =C2=A36-84) enclosed.=20 Many thanks for quick reply.=20 I agree the level of service in the UK has fallen badly in recent years ...=20= I wonder why?=20 Paypal doesn=E2=80=99t want to transfer my money so its snail mail I am afra= id.=20 Very 73 Peter March M0FMT --- On Sat, 18/4/09, vincent jakomin wrote: From: vincent jakomin Subject: FW: 7.23 meg Xtal quote please To: m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk Date: Saturday, 18 April, 2009, 10:33 PM #yiv111466151 #yiv120611850 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv111466151 #yiv120611850 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Hi Pete, Correction to my 1st email just sent. Quote =C2=A36-84=C2=A0(=C2=A33-95 + =C2=A32p&p + =C2=A30-89 (VAT @15%)=C2=A0=3D=20= =C2=A36-84) Unquote =C2=A0 W/thks + rgds Vincent Jakomin From: vincent@jakomin.fsnet.co.uk To: vincentvoy@hotmail.co.uk CC: vincentvoy@yahoo.co.uk Subject: FW: 7.23 meg Xtal quote please Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:56:59 +0200 m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Message Received: Apr 18 2009, 11:02 AM From: "M0FMT"=20 To: vincent@jakomin.fsnet.co.uk Cc:=20 Subject: 7.23 meg Xtal quote please Hi Vincent=20 Please can you quote me price and postage and delivery for a 7.23 Megahertz=20= Crystal for Amateur Radio use. Cheapest available in any package. How do I p= ay ; Paypal?=20 Many thanks Pete M0FMT =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D00000000000000=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --- On Sat, 30/5/09, Mark wrote: From: Mark Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Saturday, 30 May, 2009, 2:18 PM Lawrence,=20 You may get lucky with surplus Xtals in that range, I=C2=A0use some pulled f= rom an ancient xtal controlled 2m rig.. but the 2m frequencies corresponding= to your range are low. You may consider using a DDS like the softmark unit, or the ones designed fo= r the Softrock SDR radios . this effectively gives you a VFO! One of these may also be cheaper than a couple of crystals! Mark GM4ISM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information Many thanks Dave. I will try suggested companies. Actually looking for Xtal on 8020 to 8030 so unlikely=20 anyone has one ! \Thanks Laurie. 2009/5/30 Dave G3WCB Laurie, =C2=A0 McKnight and Hy-Q used to advertise in RadCom. They may still be trading. Ad= dresses below. =C2=A0 IQD are also around, but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like us! =C2=A0 What frequency/style are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector probably= has what you need. =C2=A0 McKnight Crystals...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY =20 =20 --0-1363290026-1243708798=:77849 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=20 --0-1363290026-1243708798=:77849-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD083-9174a048a94164; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:40:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD077-9174a048a94164; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:40:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Vuo-0006Bi-76 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:39:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Vun-0006BZ-L1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:39:25 +0100 Received: from smtp141.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.107.124]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Vun-0000qQ-83 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:39:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 49819 invoked from network); 8 May 2009 19:39:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=B36ZoQ9U94CtX8Fa399PKEN041bVRahfPfdDeE8BNe1JK7l2bf4wq2X475BID3e/xkJCvuiCBwHDa+JrUmRkvM3b2ZyxxuaOJ/8f57Azy+nxsT/CUrCLZ/Vl9x3gwLwAaMTwjdp8ufmllobHvdEaJ6VO343DmF+aaT67bHCWlEo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.133.80.138 with login) by smtp141.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2009 19:39:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pLJqZWEVM1mH30FrVDffjL1ZZFqYQOnmYu0ANiGFtqNL_Jdek44PeFGBLle92q_QjTUGobBUD_n7uYTIqTHE3JMtYs5y2RTmU4iouEysWaxnfGVLFxV_ioNWBYl.dCr6ecUMH7GuIYvUbREUErhrihaT5rNLxms2D9PHJZp8qkxv_1PJw1dei2O1Dxy3A8Y9_IKUJMVk2YDcLIh89K5zLs6ESo1LmWCHp7v46LirxXia1cdNlbgkf9i24kV_elWt0Vh.N8l8dOC10c.dRCDcVDpbVAEzRXiuaVuujr2fWXcUKXOE_EqjUONcaotdU7zUTo9C4PuRL4XHG2VHL2tx5fsZ04RM.EtPlOCUjRAJ61cdFw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6EFF06E44CF940E0B67F8D333AC8F87A@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <88d2415e0905080655s4000e8fdyc08621bbb8686b45@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:39:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: Activity Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C9D01D.0CB139A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C9D01D.0CB139A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all. I think Laurie has come up with a very good idea,also possibly a weekend slo= t(s). If I knew there was a good chance of a QSO then I would come on more o= ften, it would need to be no fancy transmission modes just good old fashione= d cw. 73, Ken, M0KHW=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:55 PM Subject: LF: Activity Dear All, I am concerned at the lack of activity on 500kHz. I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice=20 hear a signal now and again.! Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to 18:30 call on 502.50, QSY up/down. If you don't like this, any other ideas? 73 Laurie G3AQC=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C9D01D.0CB139A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all.

I think Laurie has come up with a very good= =20 idea,also possibly a weekend slot(s). If I knew there was a good chance of a= QSO=20 then I would come on more often, it would need to be no fancy transmission m= odes=20 just good old fashioned cw.

73, Ken, M0KHW

----- Original Message -----

lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb

Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:55 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: LF: Activity

Dear All,
I am concerned at the lack of activity on=20 500kHz.
I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice
hear a=20 signal now and again.!
Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to=20 18:30
call on 502.50, QSY up/down. If you don't like this,=20 any
other ideas?
73 Laurie G3AQC
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C9D01D.0CB139A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC054-b1c4a070f83248; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:31:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC048-b1c4a070f83248; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:31:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3CrK-0008Ha-NJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:30:42 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3CrK-0008HR-53 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:30:42 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.190] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3CrI-0000f2-Be for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:30:42 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3601.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BEA787000082 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:30:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.54.100]) by mwinf3601.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 4073C7000081 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:30:32 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510173032264.4073C7000081@mwinf3601.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <921E5615F20E456088F65870062F6634@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <4A067B34.9060701@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A067B34.9060701@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:30:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard, What time was that and what mode ? Tnx- G g0nbd -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:59 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test > > James Moritz wrote: >> Dear Gary, LF Group, >> >> You are S5 here at the moment in a the rising QRN. Also can see G0NBD >> and OR7T attempting a QSO in MSK4 - Rik's signal is just about visible >> on the waterfall, but will have to wait until I have completed >> noise-cancelling improvements before I will stand a chance of copying >> it here. G4JNT's beacon is also a good signal. >> >> Earlier, I had a CW QSO with G3XIZ, and this morning with Dennis, >> M0JXM, who was a new one for me. >> > Jim > > I heard you and G3XIZ well in IO83wg (both 559). G4WGT was strong (599) > G0NBD was also strong (589). The Swedish beacon on 500 was 549. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF061-56b4a01fa371d8; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:59:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF082-56b4a01fa371d8; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:59:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1oCO-0008C4-1o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:58:40 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1oCN-0008Bv-9i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:58:39 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1oCM-0006qp-9l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:58:39 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0897B8043 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D925FF3863 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:58:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C6E745B28; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 69.175-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (69.175-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.240.175.69]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:58:29 +0200 Message-ID: <20090506225829.1vrsvh9ozjwcwog8@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:58:29 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425><20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be><004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.240.175.69 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I noticed. Last night I could see it on all 3 UK grabbers, tonight only faint =20 traces on at YXM 73, Rik Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Rik, > > You signal not as strong tonight so far. > > Gary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 06 May 2009 21:40 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Gary, Gerhard, > > right now (20:35 UTC) I can see traces of my signal on the G3YXM > grabber and strong signals from Gary. > > 73, Rik > > on the > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > >> Hi Rik & Gerhard, >> >> When Rik makes his CQ call I will attempt to make a 2 way contact using > the >> same settings. >> >> Any reports will be welcome. >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> Sent: 06 May 2009 21:04 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 >> minutes. >> Same mode as yesterday. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. >>> Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY > test >>> transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward >> to >>> verify a new mode. >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Hello Gerhard, >>> >>> I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC >>> Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) >>> >>> 73, Rik >>> >>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Rik, >>>> >>>> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one >>> more >>>> chance for decoding.... >>>> >>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Hello Gerhard, >>>> >>>> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello Rik, >>>>> >>>>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>>>> >>>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>>>> >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>>>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>>>> and listen inbetween. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>>>> >>>>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer >> transmissions. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>> >>>>>>> OK Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to >>> monitor, >>>>> I >>>>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50H= z >>>>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>>>> The way I did it: >>>>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to >> FIR >>>>> BPF >>>>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click > "OK" >>>>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>>>> needs >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got >> the >>>>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your >> spec. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us >>> using >>>>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better >> decode >>>>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik > Strobbe >>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong fo= r >>>>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any furthe= r >>>>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the >>> colors >>>>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. >> 100Hz >>>>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign=20= & >>>>>>> locator >>>>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik >> Strobbe >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 > at >>>>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-5884a110d142c; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF , Last night good copy of XES ( 01:25 => 02:20 ) 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC092-b334a19830b3a9; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:25:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC077-b334a19830b3a9; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:25:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8HRE-0008Ug-M3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:24:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8HRE-0008UX-BK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:24:44 +0100 Received: from smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8HRA-0000vF-Sl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, Just worked G0MRF at 1705utc. Signal was 549 - apparently they are still working on the antenna, so might improve yet... Got a good report from them, so obviously receiving OK. Good luck for the rest of the operation, David and Garo. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (rly-dd10.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.157]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD084-ba34a00650d1f7; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:11:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD105-ba34a00650d1f7; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:10:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1NDg-0001eR-Fx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:10:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1NDf-0001eI-TW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:10:11 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1NDd-0007HO-6b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:10:11 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqMFAFEBAEpOlMC4/2dsb2JhbACEUM0BhAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.192.184]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 05 May 2009 17:08:00 +0100 Message-ID: <005f01c9cd9b$a9b312c0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:07:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I think I will stick with CW, the speed is easier to adjust!! de G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:25 PM Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test > Gary, LF, > > I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz > shift and 22Bd baudrate. > The way I did it: > 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") > 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" > 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not > a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) > 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that > is the audio frequency you get) > 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR > BPF > 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 > 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" > 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" > Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of > some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can > do that in the main screen. > > If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and > 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't > forget to select reverse mode). > I will announce the exact hours later this evening. > Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. > > All reports (or replies) are welcome. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>Hello Gary, >> >>I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>provide a robust signal. >>I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>permits - run some tests tonight. >> >>73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >>At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>Hi Rik, >>> >>>You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal needs >>>to >>>be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>partial decode. >>> >>>A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>> >>>I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using >>>85Hz. >>> >>>Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>judging by the strength of your signal. >>> >>>73 >>> >>>Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>>Hello Gary, >>> >>>call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>the last 2 minutes or so. >>>I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>So any advice is welcome. >>>I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>>and options. >>>I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>bandwidth. >>> >>>73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> >>> >>>Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>> >>> > Hi Rik, >>> > >>> > This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>> > locator >>> > :- >>> > >>> > RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>> > >>> > 73 >>> > >>> > Gary - G4WGT. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>> > Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> > Subject: LF: rtty test >>> > >>> > dear all, >>> > >>> > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>> > 21UTC >>> > Reports and/or reply welcome. >>> > >>> > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.18/2096 - Release Date: 05/04/09 17:51:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA031-a6349ff05b42bd; Mon, 04 May 2009 11:11:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA043-a6349ff05b42bd; Mon, 04 May 2009 11:11:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0zoR-0006E4-4J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:10:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0zoQ-0006Dv-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:10:34 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f180.google.com ([209.85.219.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0zoO-0007rl-BN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:10:34 +0100 Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so4377142ewy.4 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:10:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=m+oc2yzqRA6DVfQwU4NG2RGV6okOxwp/sdLFr95reeM=; b=p33U8saB9+QKqK+OT2Vlj+lg4+O3svegvmF2qxu7LHihqKxdjaSdVFh9ViezgfhKmi Rw7UgdlspZ1kPVYFcqnUb8g2CEpm6V/OulnVl4B/htGdyGyRGRXVX7NHGPZzsoofFSRV P7QOdXdSbEngZI6m00QoF7oquw90x7sSUHYxY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=bFjmwk9H7Y5A1oMg7IMX6FOITqKvZ29ApfoCqRqFcTPnBNa5WyDmWFyFnrDQZDyuTk GoxRVaWL6yDaH/kVeOjgGXU3S1copFIeEsy7EqL0nO24YaFegZRuTjl+lky2lVYCcKGd E/qVK9Lnhlsx+DpO16Vew369cp6rip2UoC4ts= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.11.138 with SMTP id 10mr1736186wex.51.1241449826681; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:10:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:10:26 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410905040810m1fb41016pab9a1c0a7c79bf06@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367d6f14ed05e70469178fb5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d243.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016367d6f14ed05e70469178fb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Have you tried a can of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies? Is it the ferrite aerial or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain then a little negative feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-decoupled source resistor. Dave 'YXM 2009/5/3 Chris Osborn > LF, > > I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' > Handbook), > modified for use on the 500 kHz band. > > I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering > available components, > the differences being: > a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published > varicaps. > b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. > c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the > published LW coil. > > I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet > the > field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and > can vary up to > 30 %. > > I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've > spent hours trying > to correct it. > > 73 Chris G3XIZ > > > > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --0016367d6f14ed05e70469178fb5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris

Have you tried a can of "freezer" spray to identify w= here the problem lies? Is it the ferrite aerial or is it the FET amplifier?=20= If you have enough gain then a little negative feedback on the FET stage may= help, add some un-decoupled source resistor.

Dave 'YXM

2009/5/3 Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>

LF,

I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength= meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook),
modified for use on the 500 kHz=20= band.

I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering=20= available components,
the differences being:
a) I have used a small va= riable capacitor instead of the published varicaps.
b) I used a JFET 2N38= 19 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets.
c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the publish= ed LW coil.

I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable=20= magnetic field yet the
field strength meter's output voltage is very= dependent on temperature and can vary up to
30 %.

I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem=20= as I've spent hours trying
to correct it.

73 Chris G3XIZ

--
G3YXM IO92BK= Birmingham UK
--0016367d6f14ed05e70469178fb5-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (rly-mf09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.179]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF023-9814a009ea824a; Tue, 05 May 2009 16:17:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF097-9814a009ea824a; Tue, 05 May 2009 16:16:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1R3r-0002yD-Tg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:16:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1R3r-0002y4-Dg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:16:19 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1R3o-00023K-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:16:18 +0100 X-Trace: 194058312/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgEAF87AEpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKIcVhBPCXweDegU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,299,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="194058312" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 May 2009 21:15:15 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 21:15:15 +0100 Message-ID: <010401c9cdbe$34277050$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnNumIWbBxY2XGaRm6ZpMklC6mn+wAA7EkQ X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik, MTTY is set up as you suggested. Waiting your signal now. 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 05 May 2009 20:44 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Hello Gary, LF, I just had a first transmission. I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > OK Rik, > > I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor, I > normally use TrueTTY. > > Thanks for the info. > > Cheers, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test > > Gary, LF, > > I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz > shift and 22Bd baudrate. > The way I did it: > 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") > 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" > 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not > a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) > 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that > is the audio frequency you get) > 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR BPF > 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 > 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" > 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" > Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of > some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can > do that in the main screen. > > If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and > 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't > forget to select reverse mode). > I will announce the exact hours later this evening. > Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. > > All reports (or replies) are welcome. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >> Hello Gary, >> >> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >> provide a robust signal. >> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >> permits - run some tests tonight. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>> Hi Rik, >>> >>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal needs > to >>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>> partial decode. >>> >>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>> >>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using > 85Hz. >>> >>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Hello Gary, >>> >>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>> So any advice is welcome. >>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>> and options. >>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>> bandwidth. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> >>> >>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>> >>> > Hi Rik, >>> > >>> > This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & > locator >>> > :- >>> > >>> > RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>> > >>> > 73 >>> > >>> > Gary - G4WGT. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>> > Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> > Subject: LF: rtty test >>> > >>> > dear all, >>> > >>> > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at > 21UTC >>> > Reports and/or reply welcome. >>> > >>> > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME062-9b84a073126216; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:55:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME054-9b84a073126216; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:55:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3F6g-00011R-JY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:54:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3F6g-00011I-82 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:54:42 +0100 Received: from mta31.charter.net ([216.33.127.82]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3F6c-0001tY-O3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:54:41 +0100 Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090510195425.UVRH2647.mta31.charter.net@imp11> for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:54:25 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.189.74.84]) by imp11 with charter.net id pvuR1b0081p78xe05vuRh2; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:54:25 -0400 Message-ID: <4A0730F1.4020202@charter.net> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:54:25 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> <20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik, Experience with MFSK4 over here showed that it held together very well as a signal dropped in a fade, but the resync was nasty if copy was lost. So in a bench test where you start out with a strong signal and attenuate it until copy is lost, MFSK4 will show a great signal range. But starting from a weak signal is tough, as is recovering from a fade. Resync with MFSK8 seems much better, but it's pretty wideband for this application. John, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME032-9a94a1d6fd91be; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:53:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME035-9a94a1d6fd91be; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:52:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9MKn-0008Qp-Nw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:50:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9MKn-0008Qg-Bb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:50:33 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9MKk-0000Ox-Jg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:50:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 17366 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2009 16:50:25 -0000 Received: from 85.178.103.222 by www069.gmx.net with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:50:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:50:22 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: <4A1B9B85.3070501@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <20090527165022.288760@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4A19A7E4.4030606@btconnect.com> <84D65F58F723418B8DC8672A3B10C875@64683d74b6134b3> <4A1AB588.2070603@btconnect.com> <84EEB64668A34793A28A4B2B3E8DACE6@64683d74b6134b3> <4A1B9B85.3070501@btconnect.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+n/GgsBSKnBDbSneWXJTgCFiUuY5Zei5MA4P7gDp IVKNL1h7s2yi3Ur7b1KQVONDMdXvoG/JZ67w== X-GMX-UID: fFkoe7kYbUk7EujWDGgnFshsZ2hlN8r7 X-FuHaFi: 0.53 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: LF: reports DI2AM OK0EMW SK6RUD X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi! Tuesday night, a horrible noise, constantly present for some months now, suddenly disappeared after thunderstorms and strong rain (Maybe there is a correlation beetween?). The broadband noise was badly interfering even to strong LF broadcast stations, it made any reception of 600m, 160m, 80m, etc completely impossible. On 20m only the stongest stations could penetrate the noise, but no fun to listen to them... The good news seem to be: There is obviousely one single source of this noise, so may be I could track this source and take measures in the future :) Of course I was curious, if there were signals on 600m, and tried to receive some beacons: RX homemade, bandwidth abt. 110Hz, wireloop abt.15sqm, 10m asl. in a linden tree ;) qth Berlin city, JO62RM date 27.V.2009 01:40-01:44Z / DI2AM peaking 439 qsb qrn / OK0EMW nil hrd 01:44-01:49Z / SK6RUD nil hrd 10:08-10:17Z / DI2AM + OK0EMW nil hrd 12:55-13:01Z / DI2AM nil hrd vy73 Dennis DL6NVC -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss f�r nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA084-8be4a199c432e1; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:13:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA078-8be4a199c432e1; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:13:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8J7j-0000sp-Q6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:12:43 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8J7j-0000sg-7v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:12:43 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8J7h-0008Cf-Bh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:12:43 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6DBE67000084 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:12:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.79.33]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id E64757000082 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:12:32 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090524191232943.E64757000082@mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:12:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:45 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: First Portable Trip > > mal hamilton wrote: >> Jim >> I did not say an inv L virtually lying on the ground as in Richards >> case(1 METRE ABOVE GROUND), this is more like a beverage antenna. > This is all very interesting. I have spent an hour in a darkened room > contemplating suitable antennas (well not quite). Comments from experts > welcome: > > 1) T antenna. Am I right in thinking that in the classical T > configuration, the horizontal part of the aerial is only there to add > capacity - i.e. it makes no contribution to the groundwave? ..........Yes If so, I > assume that I can use very thin wire for the T? .........No , depends on thin, but I sqr R losses and skin losses will be high > > 2) In the more likely configuration with "horizontal" wires actually > acting as an inverted V can I still use very thin wire without reducing > performance? ...... As above > > 3) Is there any benefit to be gained by having an inductor at the top of > the vertical section of the T? ........ I would say Yes , I use a top loading coil on my inverted L with 2 wire horizontal capacity section , A centre mounted coil , when modelled gives slightly more gain If so, will the loss of the inductor be > relevant if the part of the antenna above it (the T wires) don't > contribute to useful radiation? ......... would depend on the coil , I use 40 turns of insulated 35 amp mains cable on a 4 inch former .. no idea of the losses but the system seems to radiate ,,,,,, assume the only losses could be dielectric losses or I sqr R , but with a heavy cable and polycarbonate former , I don't expect much ...... you are making a series acceptor cct , max I should be a the coil/cap section junction , which will be the highest point . 73, Graham .,. NB I looked into the portable antenna (for use with a handy fence) and found that a 'arrow shape' or drooping T , with 10 mtr vertical section (fishing pole) with sloping top section looked to give a reasonable performance, however , once the ends of the arrow , dropped to 6 feet or less , the radiation pattern and the performance became much reduced .. can only assume it was the capacity of the end wires to earth > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/24/09 > 07:09:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME031-9c64a048ead16e; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:57:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME072-9c64a048ead16e; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:57:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2WBo-0006JO-AB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:57:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2WBn-0006JF-TJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:56:59 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f213.google.com ([209.85.217.213]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2WBk-0008NR-Q4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:56:59 +0100 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so3543047gxk.4 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 12:55:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fkNrFpLqZ+PE0b+QjTbb77k04mDMEEphbNBuUQoiRLg=; b=ih1xzxAXujEJ0HeSB8f7nA/z3U/TXSwETXIIQt9R8X6v16hzFm0D2BbNI4L2vX5oT6 WY1Siyhehr7UG/zvWv/gu1cbJGUxaCppZcMWyTvlKqIilZNzQV26zbOjdf/nNzO0TA8D OcE4Vmma4M8ehpbYXt/+PZ7ex4NIxHRN0JooM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=rh1NmpdFeyoaWPlDH2RWmwZW2aoozILfAaBCUXan8O8qmO8J+4Xj4xPq7ldsxenJYn iARyXReEio5gLR2dfB6conksK4wnKy71M4k9T/iVg+2hstyPbdUIasQYNsv4NvF3sjHH 19A9EovRMMfI9uUKSOFIarVHUagGL1MBHpZyc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.53.10 with SMTP id b10mr5494722yba.63.1241812549678; Fri, 08 May 2009 12:55:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <008301c9cffe$50615a50$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <88d2415e0905080655s4000e8fdyc08621bbb8686b45@mail.gmail.com> <005301c9cfee$2f3aab70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A0455FC.1000101@btconnect.com> <008301c9cffe$50615a50$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:55:49 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905081255l786d3ca1v10c61f19e99bd8d1@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Activity Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3489ce6b96504696c031c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m268.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd3489ce6b96504696c031c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just keeping out of your way, Mal. 2009/5/8 mal hamilton > Where is our CONCERNED MAN ? now > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" > > To: > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Activity > > > > mal hamilton wrote: >> >>> G3KEV, G3XIZ and G3DXZ are active nearly every day, also GI4DPE,GW3UEP >>> and GW4HXO appear now and again plus others. >>> I have heard you on the odd time but your signal is vy weak. >>> >>> Mal >> >> I can hear you calling CQ on 500kHz right now. >> >> 73 >> >> Richard >> G3CWI >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2104 - Release Date: 05/08/09 > 06:34:00 > > > --000e0cd3489ce6b96504696c031c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just keeping out of your way, Mal.

2009/5/= 8 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Where is our CONCERNED MAN ? now

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" <g3cwi@btconnect.com>= ;
To: <rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Activity

mal hamilton wrote:

G3KEV, G3XIZ and G3DXZ are active nearly every day, also GI4DPE,GW3UEP
and GW4HXO appear now and again plus others.
I have heard you on the odd time but your signal is vy weak.

Mal

I can hear you calling CQ on 500kHz right now.

73

Richard
G3CWI

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No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.co= m
Version: 8.0.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2104 - Release Date: 05/08/09 0= 6:34:00

--000e0cd3489ce6b96504696c031c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE031-4bb4a0f09b6e3; Sat, 16 May 2009 14:45:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE026-4bb4a0f09b6e3; Sat, 16 May 2009 14:45:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5Ork-0002nu-MJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 19:44:12 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5Ork-0002nl-5a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 19:44:12 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5Ori-0006if-1A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 19:44:12 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArAFAE+mDkpZ8ol1/2dsb2JhbACCJSyCAIdCBsUJhAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.137.117]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 19:43:01 +0100 Message-ID: <008301c9d656$23bb9fc0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <007101c9d64b$b954bf40$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:43:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01C9D65E.85550020" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C9D65E.85550020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just finished a nice solid QSO with OE5ODL on 137.7 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: LF: 137.7=20 Now looking for acty on 137.7 Khz.Nil so far mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2117 - Release Date: 05/15/09= 17:55:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C9D65E.85550020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just finished a nice solid QSO with OE5OD= L on=20 137.7

mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

mal= =20 hamilton

To: rsgb

Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:28=20 PM

Subject: LF: 137.7

Now looking for acty on 137.7 Khz.Nil so=20 far

mal/g3kev

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.329 / Viru= s=20 Database: 270.12.32/2117 - Release Date: 05/15/09=20 17:55:00
------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C9D65E.85550020-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA082-8b24a1083ee3a2; Sun, 17 May 2009 17:39:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA064-8b24a1083ee3a2; Sun, 17 May 2009 17:38:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5o3Y-0006Ir-Ld for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 22:38:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5o3Y-0006Ii-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 22:38:04 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.12]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5o3V-0000nh-BP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 22:38:04 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-31-132.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.31.132] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1M5o3S-000OY1-VZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 22:37:59 +0100 Message-ID: <4A1086FB.3050401@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 22:51:55 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Laurence, It takes time and experience to learn how to get any sort of signal from very electrically small antennas and there has been very little information in Japanese on this subject. I recall when working with Mike G3XDV at the RSGB we waited in vain for articles on LF after NOVs were issued in 1997 for 73kHz. From the pioneering work of G3XDV, G2AJV and G4JNT (to name but a few) signals only started to be heard on the band six or seven months after the NOVs were issued. This should soon change. I have been working with Taizo Arakawa, JA3AER to produce articles on the subject in the Japanese magazine CQ Ham Radio. The first one was a general interest article '136kHz in the UK and Europe', published in April 1999. Because the release of the 136kHz to Japanese amateurs was imminent I was asked do write a practical 'How to get started on 136kHz'. This was published in CQ Ham Radio May 2009. This also tended to be rather broad and general so a more detailed follow up article on the problems of using an electrically small antennas and the design of loading coils has been submitted. I can put copies of these articles on my web site if anyone is interested but I guess I will first have to get the permission of the CQ Ham Radio editor. The Japanese call this new band the 135kHz band. Regards Peter, G3LDO > Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites > - fyi 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A > From: ja3vqw Hiroshi > Hi Laurence > Thanks for your e-mail. > Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) > last month. > I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO > with any station. > I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz. > So if you find my signal please QSL me. > My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W. > The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-5384a10736425d; Sun, 17 May 2009 16:28:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF031-5384a10736425d; Sun, 17 May 2009 16:28:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5mx0-00068i-AG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 21:27:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5mwz-00068Z-Qz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 21:27:13 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5mwy-0007By-FI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 21:27:13 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1E67B8049 for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 22:26:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50F731E703 for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 22:26:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id E68A15AB1; Sun, 17 May 2009 22:26:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 200.43-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (200.43-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.43.200]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 17 May 2009 22:26:30 +0200 Message-ID: <20090517222630.ae0y0n55sb7ookoo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 22:26:30 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.43.200 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Warren, depends on what you call a neighbour. In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to 400km under =20 similar conditions. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Warren Ziegler : > Tnx Laurence, > > If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will > have to get some of his neighbors on. > > 73 Warren K2ORS > > On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrot= e: >> >> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites -=20= fyi >> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A >> >> >> From: ja3vqw Hiroshi >> Hi Laurence >> >> Thanks for your e-mail. >> Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last >> month. >> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO wit= h >> any station. >> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz. >> So if you find my signal please QSL me. >> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W. >> The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long. >> 73 >> >> >> >> >> >> Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=E2=80=99t worry about storage= limits. 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required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Great signal here in Germany: http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm -- 73 Hartmut www.h-wolff.de Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD041-9064a00974e2b6; Tue, 05 May 2009 15:45:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD056-9064a00974e2b6; Tue, 05 May 2009 15:45:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1QZ8-0002nN-Pc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:44:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1QZ8-0002nE-5G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:44:34 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1QZ5-0001e5-Sc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:44:33 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F5D7B8050 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:44:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D8231E704 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:44:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 8551B5D94; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:44:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.65.71.240]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:44:22 +0200 Message-ID: <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 21:44:22 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.65.71.240 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gary, LF, I just had a first transmission. I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my =20 signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > OK Rik, > > I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor, I > normally use TrueTTY. > > Thanks for the info. > > Cheers, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test > > Gary, LF, > > I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz > shift and 22Bd baudrate. > The way I did it: > 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") > 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" > 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not > a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) > 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that > is the audio frequency you get) > 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR BP= F > 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 > 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" > 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" > Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of > some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can > do that in the main screen. > > If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and > 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't > forget to select reverse mode). > I will announce the exact hours later this evening. > Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. > > All reports (or replies) are welcome. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >> Hello Gary, >> >> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >> provide a robust signal. >> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >> permits - run some tests tonight. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>> Hi Rik, >>> >>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal needs > to >>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>> partial decode. >>> >>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>> >>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using > 85Hz. >>> >>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Hello Gary, >>> >>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>> So any advice is welcome. >>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>> and options. >>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>> bandwidth. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> >>> >>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>> >>> > Hi Rik, >>> > >>> > This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & > locator >>> > :- >>> > >>> > RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>> > >>> > 73 >>> > >>> > Gary - G4WGT. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>> > Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> > Subject: LF: rtty test >>> > >>> > dear all, >>> > >>> > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at > 21UTC >>> > Reports and/or reply welcome. >>> > >>> > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC021-b3b4a0dbbbe260; Fri, 15 May 2009 15:00:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC087-b3b4a0dbbbe260; Fri, 15 May 2009 15:00:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M52d9-00006i-I7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:59:39 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M52d9-00006Z-5f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:59:39 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M52d7-0004Ke-Gt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:59:39 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFAFNYDUpOlr7O/2dsb2JhbACCJC6BfYRdgmUGxDOEAQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.190.206]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 19:59:28 +0100 Message-ID: <007a01c9d58f$45a60e80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:59:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: BC-221-T Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0077_01C9D597.A372AF70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C9D597.A372AF70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dug out a nice BC 221 today. 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I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would mak= e a nice=20 OSC/driver for MF. It is mint condx but has not been used for years. Some wi= ll=20 be familiar with this unit, vintage WWII made in the USA (ZENITH RADIO=20 CORPORATION CHICAGO) Maybe someone knows the man that made it !!

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<006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus><5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC><008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus><61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB><4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB><1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB><20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be><2149FAD3D3B349DA8DD2D9B692522EEE@AGB> <20090510232311.c7w0ojp43pk4880w@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <2647D014C3484E85BEE640AEC4B3BFE6@AGB> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:48:33 +0200 Message-ID: <40A1D9029BDA4447880EDB0D20E31225@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <2647D014C3484E85BEE640AEC4B3BFE6@AGB> Thread-Index: AcnRt7yWX2pNvcU/RaOIGnSwhKNYOQAAQDCw X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Graham, looking for your signals with no results until yet. May be you can increase power for the last halve hour of transmission=20 (22:30 until 23:00 UTC?) 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2009 23:36 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Rik, The mfsk signal is a single tone, the other systems are sending 2 tones , peak levels of the systems are all the same .. as far as I can measure ,=20 looks like your % copy ties with last night , ? , the instant lock of=20 the throb system looks to be working well ? Each stream is about 35 watts , last night I was running 150 in single=20 mode tnx - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Gary, > > despite that there is no copy in MFSK4 this signal sound much stronger > than the Throbx2 and psk31 signals. > Idem on the G3YXM grabber: MFSK4 look brighter than the other 2. > Looks as if the power is not the same. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > >> Ok Rik, >> >> Well see what prints with this beacon, Im running Fldigi x 3 times >> on the same pc , Gary is running the same for rx and reports all is >> ok with the system ... >> >> tnx- G .. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Rik Strobbe" >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:40 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt >=20 >> later >> >>> >>> Hello Graham, >>> >>> thanks for the QSO's last night. >>> Under current conditions (lot of QRN and QSB) ThrobX2 seemes a bit >>> better than >>> PSK31. MFSK4 wouldn't print last night. >>> The night before it was the same until all the sudden I had a perfect=20 >>> print. >>> Maybe tuning / synchronisation is rather critical for MFSK4. >>> The bandwidth of MFSK4 seems about 150Hz, so i will not use it for=20 >>> transmit. >>> PSK31 and ThrobX2 are well below 100Hz. >>> >>> I will try to decode the signals starting 21:00 UTC. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Graham : >>> >>>> Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream >>>> same text , 60 sec repeat .. >>>> >>>> >>>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz =3D 503.20k cent rf >>>> >>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz =3D 503,00k cent rf >>>> >>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz =3D 502.70 k cent rf >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' >>>> lock up time ? >>>> >>>> Graham >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Graham" >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later >>>> >>>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >>>>> >>>>> G .. >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Graham" >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> All >>>>>> >>>>>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>>>>> >>>>>> Tx set >>>>>> >>>>>> Dial 501.000 >>>>>> mode usb >>>>>> >>>>>> FLDIGI software >>>>> >>>>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>>>>> >>>>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>>>>> >>>>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>>>>> >>>>>> Power 40 watts per stream >>>>>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>>>>> >>>>>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>>>>> >>>>>> Reports welcome >>>>>> >>>>>> Graham >>>>>> >>>>>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release >>>>>> Date: 05/09/09 >>>>>> 06:54:00 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>>>> 05/09/09 06:54:00 >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: >>> 05/10/09 07:02:00 >>> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 > 07:02:00 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (rly-ma09.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.53]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA083-8cc4a05e7d6370; 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d="scan'208,217";a="196447797" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 May 2009 21:29:22 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 21:29:22 +0100 Message-ID: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnQ5NYuNA6DHeK4TCeQd5vSQq8REA== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C9D0ED.3873CEB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; 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------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C9D0ED.3873CEB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME031-99b4a0b50762cf; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:58:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME017-99b4a0b50762cf; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:58:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4NNq-0000AN-1G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:57:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4NNp-0000AE-Il for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:57:05 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4NNm-0000ho-6a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:57:04 +0100 thread-index: AcnUHh16elKmHQGuSsi0CnFxN4p1Ig== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:56:55 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com> <833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> <20090513225952.e2nk4cqpm9kwokc4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> <1M4N5H-0fEEds0@fwd03.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1M4N5H-0fEEds0@fwd03.t-online.de> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:56:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 HA-JO, thank you for info and report! de Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:37 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB > Dear Gus, > > tonight around 22.30 UTC your SSB is also better to read, also yesterday > nicht. > > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB > > > "Gus" schrieb: >> Rik, >> >> thank's report. >> >> 73 de Gus SM6BHZ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rik Strobbe" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM >> Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB >> >> >> > Gus, >> > >> > solid 57 signal here tonight >> > >> > 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME033-9cb4a0125ec1b7; Wed, 06 May 2009 01:53:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME077-9cb4a0125ec1b7; Wed, 06 May 2009 01:53:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1a3h-0005C2-L2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 06:52:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1a3h-0005Bt-92 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 06:52:45 +0100 Received: from mx75.mail.ru ([94.100.176.90]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1a3c-0005E2-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 06:52:44 +0100 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=43862 helo=EFREMOV) by mx75.mail.ru with asmtp id 1M1a3V-00089t-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 09:52:33 +0400 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <000f01c9ce0e$d6594b50$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <20090505145733.ZR0ZK.2161725.root@mp14> <000201c9cde4$c3008ac0$0b01a8c0@weazle> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 05:51:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: JA3VQW in the cluster! 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<005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Gary, I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to provide a robust signal. I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time permits - run some tests tonight. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >Hi Rik, > >You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal needs to >be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >partial decode. > >A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. > >I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using 85Hz. > >Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >judging by the strength of your signal. > >73 > >Gary - G4WGT. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test > >Hello Gary, > >call the is almost right, locator completely. >But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >the last 2 minutes or so. >I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >So any advice is welcome. >I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >and options. >I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >bandwidth. > >73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > >Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > > > Hi Rik, > > > > This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & locator > > :- > > > > RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX > > > > 73 > > > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > > Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: rtty test > > > > dear all, > > > > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC > > Reports and/or reply welcome. > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME082-9da4a212bfaf3; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:52:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME096-9da4a212bfaf3; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:52:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAO2G-00011L-Ss for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:51:40 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAO2G-00011C-D1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:51:40 +0100 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAO2F-00006t-EA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:51:40 +0100 Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a212bd23b8; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:51:30 -0400 Received: from KKorn42@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.d58.41e24cdc (37228) for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KKneu (f049008073.adsl.alicedsl.de [78.49.8.73]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA065-916c4a212bcd151; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:51:26 -0400 From: "KKorn" To: Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:51:24 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c9e125$580c9930$25fefea9@KKneu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AW: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C9E136.1B956930" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C9E136.1B956930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To Laurie G3AQC Try =93www dot andyquarz dot de=94 he has lots of x-tals and makes them to o= rder (tel +49(0)421 353060 or fax 372714). Klaus DJ6LB =20 73 de Klaus DJ6LB ~~~ No trees were killed in the sending of this message, ~~~ ~~~ but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ~~~ =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von lawrence mayhead Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Mai 2009 12:42 An: rsgb Betreff: LF: Information =20 Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? Any ideas thanks Laurie G3AQC ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C9E136.1B956930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C9E136.1B956930-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME051-9cd4a00b0e1103; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:34:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME081-9cd4a00b0e1103; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:34:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1SGf-0003sz-Bt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:33:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1SGe-0003sq-N0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:33:36 +0100 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1SGc-0002w7-4Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:33:35 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.21] (helo=11.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #91) id 1M1SFd-0006bK-39 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 23:32:33 +0200 Received: from w0464.w.pppool.de ([89.58.4.100]:1538 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 11.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M1SFc-00088Z-IN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 23:32:33 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 23:32:29 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnNxHeQAsWbHMVpTVWFJ7Z6TbMa4gABEHuA X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one more chance for decoding.... Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Hello Gerhard, thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > Hello Rik, > > Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. > > Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test > > Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. > I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC > and listen inbetween. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Rik Strobbe : > >> Hello Gary, LF, >> >> I just had a first transmission. >> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >>> OK Rik, >>> >>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor, > I >>> normally use TrueTTY. >>> >>> Thanks for the info. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Gary, LF, >>> >>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>> The way I did it: >>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>> is the audio frequency you get) >>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR > BPF >>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>> do that in the main screen. >>> >>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>> forget to select reverse mode). >>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>> >>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>> Hello Gary, >>>> >>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>> provide a robust signal. >>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>> >>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal > needs >>> to >>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>> partial decode. >>>>> >>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>> >>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using >>> 85Hz. >>>>> >>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>> >>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>>>> and options. >>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>> bandwidth. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>> >>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>> locator >>>>>> :- >>>>>> >>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>> >>>>>> dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>> 21UTC >>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD064-8f04a17aeea244; Sat, 23 May 2009 04:08:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD028-8f04a17aeea244; Sat, 23 May 2009 04:08:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7mG6-0002OL-Lf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:07:10 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7mG6-0002OC-6p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:07:10 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.187]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7mFu-0003qz-F6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:07:10 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2beaomr09.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CMT00571; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:06:52 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A17AE9F.2070000@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:06:55 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0206.4A17AE9D.004E,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: M0FMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Calling CQ on 502. Heard many times here in last couple of days but can't hear me :-( 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG011-a214a12b01f9c; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:12:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG073-a214a12b01f9c; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:12:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6P6U-0004x8-IE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:11:34 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6P6U-0004wz-5d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:11:34 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.146]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6P6S-0002VX-4W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:11:34 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so3529419qwj.16 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 06:11:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=copiRsLyiL+6Mqi6GlUZwLmwVuHlWlp5BeFXGDCMrNo=; b=Y03/4vqFGK3TSlAO1elwkv/Ae340WFaW5wMFJR08VbHgBnUOslanCgIxSbTc023YZk 6SgP/2MdzW1NHstysEzG3P+M0u7NBEz5PCQ81ZxR4q4pfH86+nZBSHTcrOBtv0CGRDkR tfg+I/T1G9CsUboab/RIeJpB2nsSe7nap6lRY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EEA/Eks96rd8luOUfF/+sMFEXmz+7hmSgp4SeYF+hReOBKUf6PwQVAzA9zPYTHTnlP KSGkwnS58la3TiPxR58gRxQYnInpEbASmyc16PfE8O8agAV1Fu4W/8U8Jn6IvBiG9Pko gYO0Ekrd+ezQDDptgRVfZwh/gcrCV9V6nBDvQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.37.138 with SMTP id x10mr21588qad.143.1242738690275; Tue, 19 May 2009 06:11:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:11:30 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905190611o43f0ff79w4924ea45fd33ee33@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 19-05.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d299.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thanks Henny for the capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/5/19 henny van elst : > Hi Warren,Lf > nice capture XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 19-05.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD014-8e94a19a4f218a; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:50:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD021-8e94a19a4f218a; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:50:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JhG-0001NG-9f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:49:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JhF-0001N7-Rr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:49:25 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr06.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.184]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8JhD-0001nU-Gz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:49:25 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2beaomr06.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id BNW48708; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:49:18 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A19A4C1.2070909@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:49:21 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <108EF969E1FE4E14821FD0B03287232F@JimPC> <20090524213307.sbrh6ea8x2g4og4s@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090524213307.sbrh6ea8x2g4og4s@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr06.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.4A19A4BE.011B,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik Strobbe wrote: > nil from G0MRF here (until 19:30 UTC) > Are they QRV ? > > No sign now. They were QRV earlier in the afternoon but nothing heard here. Saw a very faint trace on G3YXM's grabber at the time. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-aa64a22f81759; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:35:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB014-aa64a22f81759; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:35:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAsg0-00048D-PK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:34:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAsg0-000484-DI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:34:44 +0100 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([195.4.92.92]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAsfx-0002u8-Fs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:34:43 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.14] (helo=4.mx.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #88) id 1MAsfu-0001ZH-8e; Sun, 31 May 2009 23:34:38 +0200 Received: from w0f28.w.pppool.de ([89.58.15.40]:1652 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 4.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1MAsft-0003u3-Ct; Sun, 31 May 2009 23:34:38 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Cc: "'Dave G3WCB'" , "'Dennis'" , "'Chris Osborn'" , "'Finbar'" References: <513649.77849.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20090531205831.293140@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 23:34:37 +0200 Message-ID: <614753F3F94647D0B58B692058DB7200@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090531205831.293140@gmx.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcniM6qWJAgkPTaxSsW/joInsKdTOgAAeCog X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: AW: rx 600m tonight for YOU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Dennis, Chris, Dave, Finbar /// LF I can copy G3XIZ (Chris) regular CW-signal with about 339 and=20 some QRN in JN59LN; And there is also GI4DPE, Finbar on the QRG, about 449, solid copy! No copy of Dave's signal ...SRI !!=20 vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Dennis Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Mai 2009 22:59 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: rx 600m tonight for YOU Hi! I just reconfigured my RX to 0.5MHz, and appreciate receiving signals tonight on 600m :) Just let me know You are there, and where. vy73 Dennis Berlin JO62RM PS: Loop pointing NW/SE,=20 so Scotland might induce higher voltages than England. --=20 Nur bis 31.05.: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate und Telefonanschluss nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-a974a0c8a0b217; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:16:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA107-a974a0c8a0b217; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:15:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4iGn-0001iQ-OA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:15:13 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4iGn-0001iH-5h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:15:13 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.67]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4iGl-0002eJ-G6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:15:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 96460 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 21:14:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Importance; b=xUe84ll7tgC9MlZPepdZ/qI/Be4TN09FX3EvNwWKoZB+MdvBqOoL91v8P7ZySAcKQY3Cxp9i7W8YyJvjF0I/iuWUeryP5612VoCMH8kVHCO2fx6nl8zMq/Ez6D7jRN5fz53AKW3DXTljEvYjfXe8vEqpdPgR1JqrKPQKARuPTy0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.146.212.221 with login) by smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 21:14:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5evSUi0VM1ls1vqN9RS7lEWRoCsF97ew7UPsNqEzzv6uToO.3N1Coo4Y4yzwqBdIE4KLgmEJjywssGPuMRptZgcXfcUTC5ENeD2lCcrDLjQ4nVSqH06uRegcGUQCpUTLcqn.HFqaQzt.fdPENAJ9vEf5GQZ8UG1hdqnw0oJiA9nwYLXmXeQJfagy2TvyV5OYZnH2KgStHnKiI8tFD0sNMO7vP2P8LlEV0Gg6hXSVuuWqHI8eKUDjij4hlw.SFrRlGtxc6JcWuV6FKICUFCyqLPKOVJchNvj7QbZqTRyiAV0t.1pfwaZ0ROJdjlU_2G2_i8Lqe3FLx7vs.OIa5qWP6IapPICAQyUjMWqqTtH0Hv4IlQ7YSA6NOMo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:14:20 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <4A0C71A3.9070307@btconnect.com> Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Beacon now on 501.6kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi, Richard. Your signals are much better than yesterday. You are RST 549 with the usual QSB and QRN. I couldn't hear you at all yesterday, and your signals were only just visible using "Argo". 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E England. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Richard Newstead Sent: 14 May 2009 20:32 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Beacon now on 501.6kHz I have optimised the link coupling for my ATU and have a lot more antenna current. Reports very welcome. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD091-b8649fba6a177; Fri, 01 May 2009 21:49:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD068-b8649fba6a177; Fri, 01 May 2009 21:49:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M04KT-0005IW-0C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 02:47:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M04KS-0005IN-Dg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 02:47:48 +0100 Received: from smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.234]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M04KQ-0002gI-8t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 02:47:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 65547 invoked from network); 2 May 2009 01:47:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=o1F71JJvHxEUV/BU87xyI0N8grU/uy77/Ix9uagoyAf+k8tqDAdjunBLpIOp7FFQjXmyzyfGA6UZ2OmbIzR2j7xg38iutw/8FwRSfIlpYN7KdPn54BDIF6fuhP52o7pnIlZxvQVCavXRVNM8Rq9eAcKcgNEERSoZEj1MOBTi09g= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.110.8 with login) by smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2009 01:47:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ua_xqKcVM1nstyVOd0nqslxk9ZzBD9fxNlVU1Q3bZgztXA76HswdTEEz5YRMRytAhP2vBM71IDgFwaPIiOILgZT_zPLqAK1sJpfzNKK..FwYo8eRYDtqArp_2Vd1ENfirjb7fiQ6xy4UrNLCH12qO.qLCt1SfDCmQp9vTB3B.NqNMcopmFJnptgdnEO7z7rgrDMGfE4yjcGiw16WW4gA3B6NjErphlhsgBi7HbPfyHUThtT9QbsnSzYxPm6Ahpjwwy4ZlElZTh4RaHzZ4AuiHsnEQpllzF05DgqANNCxr18Q3Ng8pQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <3434E6D21DAD4B9591AB1AEA2064AA52@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 02:47:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: OE5ODL Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C9CAD0.5C183B30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C9CAD0.5C183B30 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF Group, Good signal from OE5ODL at about 0100utc -see attachment. 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(Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000301c9bc43$b366cfa0$6401a8c0@radiocomputer> In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dave > > Exhibit #1 www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP109.jpg An interesting design - what are you using as a broadband match in xformer for the 200KHz - HF? Thanks Stewart/G3YSX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5564a110d14a5; Mon, 18 May 2009 03:24:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF061-5564a110d14a5; Mon, 18 May 2009 03:24:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5xC5-00074X-2q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 08:23:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5xC4-00074O-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 08:23:28 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5xC0-0001b0-Ux for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 08:23:28 +0100 Received: from 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<200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:05:21 +0100 Message-ID: <011401c9cdc5$33baeeb0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnNxHNkCzoQ4m94SCuDa9p9u3NNQgAAJ94w X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Rik, Just got this as you came up in strength. ANT INV-L 11M HIGH AND 22M LONG ERP ABT 500MW RTTY TEST DE OR7T OR7T OR7T JO20IX PWR 100W ANT INV-L 11M HIGH AND 22M LONG ERP ABT 500MW SE K Looking good now. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 05 May 2009 21:56 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Hello Gerhard, thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > Hello Rik, > > Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. > > Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test > > Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. > I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC > and listen inbetween. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Rik Strobbe : > >> Hello Gary, LF, >> >> I just had a first transmission. >> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >>> OK Rik, >>> >>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor, > I >>> normally use TrueTTY. >>> >>> Thanks for the info. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Gary, LF, >>> >>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>> The way I did it: >>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>> is the audio frequency you get) >>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR > BPF >>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>> do that in the main screen. >>> >>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>> forget to select reverse mode). >>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>> >>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>> Hello Gary, >>>> >>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>> provide a robust signal. >>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>> >>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal > needs >>> to >>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>> partial decode. >>>>> >>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>> >>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using >>> 85Hz. >>>>> >>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>> >>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>>>> and options. >>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>> bandwidth. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>> >>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>> locator >>>>>> :- >>>>>> >>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>> >>>>>> dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>> 21UTC >>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF043-5324a071a8f20b; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 All Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 Tx set Dial 501.000 mode usb FLDIGI software MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz Power 40 watts per stream Running loop at 60 seconds repeat No rx due to drive below vox/alc level Reports welcome Graham G0NBD / IO83LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD043-8ec4a05eebf22a; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:59:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD024-8ec4a05eebf22a; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:59:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2tdR-0003KU-Rb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:59:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2tdR-0003KL-GB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Gary, LF Group, You are S5 here at the moment in a the rising QRN. Also can see G0NBD and OR7T attempting a QSO in MSK4 - Rik's signal is just about visible on the waterfall, but will have to wait until I have completed noise-cancelling improvements before I will stand a chance of copying it here. G4JNT's beacon is also a good signal. Earlier, I had a CW QSO with G3XIZ, and this morning with Dennis, M0JXM, who was a new one for me. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de12.mx.aol.com (rly-de12.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.148]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE063-51d49fdfc0a1b; Sun, 03 May 2009 16:18:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE124-51d49fdfc0a1b; Sun, 03 May 2009 16:18:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0i7x-0004Q3-Kf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 21:17:33 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0i7x-0004Pu-7K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 21:17:33 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.68]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0i7v-0002Nj-Hv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 21:17:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 25958 invoked from network); 3 May 2009 20:16:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Oxy9c7MFUoWgUuki8eCuKZQepEv/X/v4whbqTdDGpXJd5bAYXfyVKyxriAzxRFEUswd4+pLrat43WTS8iHpndXUqGcr18JHm244H/jS2c1bYpwbi5BLkOEUflsKTaTIi/MeXEiV+5iYG5u71PRn9GGIY0Epa7nCvN5GZjUfUgKw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.27.28 with login) by smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2009 20:16:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0lNxFHQVM1nCLN2GCtfHiHIEM0wk26d2xtURlpcJVjxdcXzZOTzAyNIEanl2soLgjbuUa81glh7ZPfa8ltgWlLLJIjuDvnbUvUMfiHpuBHps.C5jQo6GJp9s2UaU953yx_R7tK0HFB8lwLTQLunmTZ.Q7IxXTbOBx.8Se4R6IhFdoOa.YdvtKcP9ChlZnMSNcUMPTxcp.TeTC.jpV7YDQaiFJbR1lE4Dai7qneoiP6KXFGnzHGcEhFP7V9Foo.kzyjCHQG7krXMcw4v5lUx9.aAeTrfUexA4y_dLr835HyvQ0mJ3JKPaMAF9KVPk.sHGI9HoA4spj4tAHQd1kTVItUQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <008001c9cc2c$084162e0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 21:00:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Chris the following things occur to me to try 1 the 2N3819 is a juction fet not a mosfet (as with Dick original design) so is probably more likely to show changes in input (gate-source) current with temperature. The input current of a mostfet will be negligable. I cant remember what the original device was but if a 40673 for instance try a BF981 which are readily available. 2 At a lower level of probability the permiability of ferrite changes with temperature. I would not that to be anything like so great as problem though. I hope that helps to solve the problem. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Osborn" To: "LF Group" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed LF, I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook), modified for use on the 500 kHz band. I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering available components, the differences being: a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published varicaps. b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the published LW coil. I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet the field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and can vary up to 30 %. I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've spent hours trying to correct it. 73 Chris G3XIZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME073-9c94a01f7f1258; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:50:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME075-9c94a01f7f1258; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:49:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1o32-00083Y-Uw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:49:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1o32-00083P-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:49:00 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1o2z-0006mm-UE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:49:00 +0100 X-Trace: 191367914/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgEABOVAUpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKIcVhBPCUweCPYE9BQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,304,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="191367914" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 06 May 2009 21:48:56 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425><20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be><004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:49:00 +0100 Message-ID: <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnOiz5ulBZ8TCKvRWeAKwrHBVCPJQAAMKnw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik, You signal not as strong tonight so far. Gary. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 06 May 2009 21:40 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Gary, Gerhard, right now (20:35 UTC) I can see traces of my signal on the G3YXM =20 grabber and strong signals from Gary. 73, Rik on the Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi Rik & Gerhard, > > When Rik makes his CQ call I will attempt to make a 2 way contact using the > same settings. > > Any reports will be welcome. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 06 May 2009 21:04 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 > minutes. > Same mode as yesterday. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> Hello Rik, >> >> Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. >> Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY test >> transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward > to >> verify a new mode. >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC >> Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) >> >> 73, Rik >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> >>> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one >> more >>> chance for decoding.... >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Hello Gerhard, >>> >>> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>> >>>> >>>> Hello Rik, >>>> >>>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>>> >>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>>> and listen inbetween. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>>> >>>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>>> >>>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer > transmissions. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>> >>>>>> OK Rik, >>>>>> >>>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to >> monitor, >>>> I >>>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>>> >>>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>>> The way I did it: >>>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to > FIR >>>> BPF >>>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>>> >>>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>>> >>>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>>> needs >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got > the >>>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your > spec. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us >> using >>>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better > decode >>>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the >> colors >>>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. > 100Hz >>>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>>>> locator >>>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik > Strobbe >>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC034-b3d4a005b0f297; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Gary, LF, I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz shift and 22Bd baudrate. The way I did it: 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that is the audio frequency you get) 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR BPF 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can do that in the main screen. If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't forget to select reverse mode). I will announce the exact hours later this evening. Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. All reports (or replies) are welcome. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >Hello Gary, > >I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >provide a robust signal. >I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >permits - run some tests tonight. > >73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > >At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>Hi Rik, >> >>You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal needs to >>be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>partial decode. >> >>A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >> >>I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using 85Hz. >> >>Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>judging by the strength of your signal. >> >>73 >> >>Gary - G4WGT. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >> >>Hello Gary, >> >>call the is almost right, locator completely. >>But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>the last 2 minutes or so. >>I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>So any advice is welcome. >>I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>and options. >>I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>bandwidth. >> >>73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> >>Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >> > Hi Rik, >> > >> > This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & locator >> > :- >> > >> > RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >> > >> > 73 >> > >> > Gary - G4WGT. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> > Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > Subject: LF: rtty test >> > >> > dear all, >> > >> > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC >> > Reports and/or reply welcome. >> > >> > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> > >> > >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC061-b464a08a6da2b5; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:29:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC102-b464a08a6da2b5; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:29:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dzt-0007dI-OU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:29:21 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dzt-0007d9-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:29:21 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3dzq-0006x3-WD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:29:21 +0100 thread-index: AcnSh9w7gpkvIWpkQb+TQ+kh8LMBRA== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:28:49 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> <6D1C191EA94A411EBE76070137DF884E@AGB> <70D21345D07D4133A2ADFD6BD3CB3CC3@radiorummet> <6DFB90B9503543FE82910DFB79E4DB97@AGB> In-Reply-To: <6DFB90B9503543FE82910DFB79E4DB97@AGB> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 00:28:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01C9D298.9E0E9EB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C9D298.9E0E9EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, you are wellcome ;-) Understand abt your untuned antenna, i think it would be hard to copy me on=20= a tuned antenna when all the noise and static this evening. Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Tnx Gus for the qsl card ... very good hihi=20 Ae no , not tuned, just running the 38 ft vertical, lower end 6 ft abo= ve ground insulated , end fed to the ft897-d via about 90 feet of rg213 coax , th= e ft897 seems to work quite well on 500=20 lot of static but copy is fine at this location=20 73 - Graham .=20 From: Gus=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:57 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Graham, FB report, thank's info! Are your antenna tuned to qrg ? Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:51 PM Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Gus, Good signal , 5/9 & 599 , just on the 38 ft vertical and the ft897-d =20= no atu=20 73 Graham G0NBD IO83LK From: Gus=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/= 09 07:02:00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09= 07:02:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C9D298.9E0E9EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham,

you are wellcome ;-)

Understand abt your untuned antenna, i think= it=20 would be hard to copy me on a tuned antenna when all the noise and static th= is=20 evening.

Gus

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Graham

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:17=20 AM

Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon

Tnx Gus for the qsl card ... very g= ood hihi=20

Ae   no , not tuned, just = running=20 the 38 ft vertical, lower end 6 ft above ground

insulated , end fed to the ft897-d via about 90 feet of rg21= 3 coax=20 , the ft897

seems to work quite well on 5= 00=20

lot of static but copy is fin= e at=20 this location

73 - Graham .

From: Gus

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:57 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon

Graham,

FB report, thank's=20 info!

Are your antenna tuned to qrg=20 ?

Gus

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Graham

To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org=20

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:51=20 PM

Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon

Gus,

Good signal , 5/9 & 599  = , just=20 on the 38 ft vertical and the ft897-d no atu

73 Graham

G0NBD

IO83LK

From: Gus

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,= 5 kHz=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a=20= CW id=20 include....

Reports are=20 wellcome.

73 de Gus SM6BHZ

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------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C9D298.9E0E9EB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5b74a1324e0384; Tue, 19 May 2009 17:30:18 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG038-5b74a1324e0384; Tue, 19 May 2009 17:30:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6WsI-0006at-Pa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 22:29:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6WsI-0006ak-AB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 22:29:26 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6WsG-0004wa-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 22:29:25 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDD551C004 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65F2F3863 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id AC2C75CBE; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:29:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 251.199-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (251.199-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [217.136.199.251]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:29:05 +0200 Message-ID: <20090519232905.l4n0cl7o5vk0oogs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 23:29:05 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 217.136.199.251 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, a simple series L-C notch works best when - Q is high =3D you need a good coil (capacitor Q shouldn't be the problem) - the output "sees" a high impedance (FET buffer) - the source impedance is high compared to the loss resistance of the =20 coil (eventualy put a R of a few 100 Ohm in serie with the antenna) But it will be a hard job to get a decent attenuation at 518 while =20 passing 501-506 without too much losses. An alternative would be a xtal filter as a passband filter for 501-506. If you can find a number of 500kHz xtals and "polish" them up some kHz. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi LF, > > > > You may have seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at abou= t > 506KHz. The original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this > grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz. > > > > I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel > filter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly d= ue > to the bandwidth of the filter?? > > > > Is there some simple narrow notch filter which I could use to remove the > offending signal. > > > > 73, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db09.mx.aol.com (rly-db09.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.84]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB022-ae64a17fd60c1; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:43:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB094-ae64a17fd60c1; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:42:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7rUO-0003rD-LC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:42:16 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7rUO-0003r4-6U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:42:16 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7rUM-0005Me-JF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:42:16 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3534.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3098D1C00086; Sat, 23 May 2009 15:42:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.56.40]) by mwinf3534.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id D77521C00085; Sat, 23 May 2009 15:42:08 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090523134208882.D77521C00085@mwinf3534.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: Cc: "John Hudson" References: <003601c9daf5$0351b960$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A17C742.2000603@btconnect.com> <4A17DA30.2020602@btconnect.com> <4A17DCB8.4070302@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 14:42:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: GW4HXO and some one ealse ? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 GW4HXO round 501.5 Speaker level in io83lk Second station calling cq ? may be cwi ?but very low i also have a huge signal on 504 at the moment and the 897bis not quite the ra1778 38 ft vert , no atu , ft897-d , usb 501 khz From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC021-b3f4a1a6f24201; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:13:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC093-b3f4a1a6f24201; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:12:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8X9v-0003uL-NP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:11:55 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8X9v-0003uC-6q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:11:55 +0100 Received: from mhost01h.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.77.238]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8X9t-0003UK-CB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:11:55 +0100 Received: from APOLLO2.ds.leeds.ac.uk (apollo2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.5.5]) by mhost01h.leeds.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PACvHR027721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:12:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([fe80::39ce:23e:d0b5:7e24]) by APOLLO2.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.5.5]) with mapi; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:11:45 +0100 From: Chris Trayner To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:11:44 +0100 Thread-Topic: Re: Modelling aerials Thread-Index: AcnczD8R1vgSpxTSRiOLxSCR2wAtZAAUlTWy Message-ID: <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11CEAA58819@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk> References: <4A199D1F.7070201@btconnect.com>,<007a01c9dccb$b3021620$0900a8c0@AM> In-Reply-To: <007a01c9dccb$b3021620$0900a8c0@AM> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: Modelling aerials Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Andy and Richard, > I can imagine that modelling ground strata of a rocky hill top will be almost impossible.=20 Our cave radio experience certainly supports that. The geological maps will=20= give you the underlying rock type, but overlaying it you often have an unkno= wn depth of soil.=20 The next problem is that you need the conductivities of these. For the rock,= the map will give the specific type of (e.g.) sandstone, but the reference=20= works on conductivity will probably just list "sandstone" and give conductiv= ities ranging over several orders of magnitude.* The final cause to reach for the bottle is when you realise that the conduct= ivities of the soil, and of the rock unless it's impermiable to water, will=20= depend on how saturated they are. This will depend on the recent rainfall hi= story. If you want to try modelling that I'll come back in a few years and r= ead your doctoral thesis (or put flowers on your grave) ... Some of us in the cave radio community have in fact speculated that it might= be more profitable to turn this round and make the sort of electrical measu= rements that Alan alluded to to find out the electrical properties of the ro= ck. * If anyone does know of reference works that give the conductivities for ma= ny specific rock types (e.g. Great Scar Limestone as against just limestone)= , I'd be very grateful to be told. 73, Chris G4OKW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD054-9164a0f48aa65; Sat, 16 May 2009 19:14:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD076-9164a0f48aa65; Sat, 16 May 2009 19:13:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5T2o-0003ZO-Dp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 00:11:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5T2o-0003ZF-0g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 00:11:54 +0100 Received: from mx12.go2.pl ([193.17.41.142] helo=poczta.o2.pl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5T2k-0004oa-R5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 00:11:53 +0100 Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx12 [127.0.0.1]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBE910400C for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 01:11:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bxi (unknown [193.189.116.61]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 01:11:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001a01c9d67b$9f6eccd0$6551e00a@bxi> From: "Marcin" To: References: <007101c9d64b$b954bf40$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <008301c9d656$23bb9fc0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 01:11:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9D68C.6196D450" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9D68C.6196D450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeas I copy your QSO with OE5ODL. OE5ODL copy normal CW 57 !!! Mayby anather time Mal? Very TNX LF test! -- Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: LF: Re: 137.7=20 I just finished a nice solid QSO with OE5ODL on 137.7 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: LF: 137.7=20 Now looking for acty on 137.7 Khz.Nil so far mal/g3kev ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2117 - Release Date: 05/15/= 09 17:55:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9D68C.6196D450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeas I copy your QSO with OE5ODL. OE5ODL co= py=20 normal CW 57 !!!

Mayby anather time Mal?

Very TNX LF test!

--
Vy 73!
Marcin SQ2BXI

----- Original Message -----

mal= =20 hamilton

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:43=20 PM

Subject: LF: Re: 137.7

I just finished a nice solid QSO with OE5= ODL on=20 137.7

mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 m= al=20 hamilton

To: rsgb=

Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:28= =20 PM

Subject: LF: 137.7

Now looking for acty on 137.7 Khz.Nil s= o=20 far

mal/g3kev

No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9D68C.6196D450-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB062-ad249fde10b112; Sun, 03 May 2009 14:23:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB068-ad249fde10b112; Sun, 03 May 2009 14:23:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0gKJ-0003zo-Cx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 19:22:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0gKI-0003zf-Qx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 19:22:10 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.214]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0gKG-00077s-AS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 19:22:10 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W51 ([64.4.56.151]) by bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 3 May 2009 11:21:38 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:21:38 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2009 18:21:38.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[0008D820:01C9CC1C] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_82a406b0-f150-4b34-bd1d-39fe8e6a2cef_" Subject: LF: RA3YO X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_82a406b0-f150-4b34-bd1d-39fe8e6a2cef_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cb42ffc5-b3dc-4ae9-8060-840f7e49e841_" --_cb42ffc5-b3dc-4ae9-8060-840f7e49e841_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! I saw DFCW60 signal from RA3YO. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS _________________________________________________________________ Pou=BE=EDv=E1te Messenger? Pak tak=E9 pou=BE=EDv=E1te Windows Live. Chcete v= =ECd=ECt v=EDc?=20 http://www.microsoft.com/cze/windows/windowslive/=3D --_cb42ffc5-b3dc-4ae9-8060-840f7e49e841_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
I saw DFCW60 signal from RA3YO.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <20090506225829.1vrsvh9ozjwcwog8@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnOje0UjfUyTI27TYOi0uUDPPUOAwAAeedg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, Gary strong QRM and QSB this evening. I only decoded a view fragments.... CQHCQ CQ O WUT OR7T OR7T Thanks for the test transmission! =20 73 de Gerhard =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2009 22:58 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test I noticed. Last night I could see it on all 3 UK grabbers, tonight only faint =20 traces on at YXM 73, Rik Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Rik, > > You signal not as strong tonight so far. > > Gary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 06 May 2009 21:40 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Gary, Gerhard, > > right now (20:35 UTC) I can see traces of my signal on the G3YXM > grabber and strong signals from Gary. > > 73, Rik > > on the > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > >> Hi Rik & Gerhard, >> >> When Rik makes his CQ call I will attempt to make a 2 way contact using > the >> same settings. >> >> Any reports will be welcome. >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> Sent: 06 May 2009 21:04 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 >> minutes. >> Same mode as yesterday. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. >>> Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY > test >>> transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward >> to >>> verify a new mode. >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Hello Gerhard, >>> >>> I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC >>> Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) >>> >>> 73, Rik >>> >>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Rik, >>>> >>>> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one >>> more >>>> chance for decoding.... >>>> >>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Hello Gerhard, >>>> >>>> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello Rik, >>>>> >>>>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>>>> >>>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>>>> >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>>>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>>>> and listen inbetween. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>>>> >>>>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer >> transmissions. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>> >>>>>>> OK Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to >>> monitor, >>>>> I >>>>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>>>> The way I did it: >>>>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to >> FIR >>>>> BPF >>>>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click > "OK" >>>>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>>>> needs >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got >> the >>>>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your >> spec. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us >>> using >>>>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better >> decode >>>>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik > Strobbe >>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the >>> colors >>>>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. >> 100Hz >>>>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>>>>> locator >>>>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik >> Strobbe >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 > at >>>>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-4bb49ff5ed8fc; 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boundary="0-1728732408-1241472700=:43044" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m240.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1728732408-1241472700=:43044 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No Graham, I can swap a flat battery with a new one and the output hardly moves. Yes the oscillator and RF stages are regulated and holding constant. The problem's before the mixer. As advised, I disconnected the RF stage and injected a signal into the mixer and it gives a constant output even with a blow heater playing on the=20= insides. 73 Chris XIZ ________________________________ From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, 4 May, 2009 21:31:37 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Chris =20 Its not the battery is it ... assume=20 the supply voltage / regulated voltage is holding =20 constant ? =20 G ..=20 =20 From: Chris Osborn=20 Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:23 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Thanks again Dave and Alan, I've spent a few more hours on the F/S=20 meter today and still have not found the problem. I can blow with a drinking=20 straw on any component and=20 there's very little output change yet with time there's a slow drift with=20 temperature - the output goes up with increased temperature. I thought=20 I'd found the problem as by squeezing the ferrite rod 's screening tube I=20 could get a fair change in the output (about 10 %). The tube's metal is not=20 aluminium but I guess an aluminium alloy. In any case I changed it for a=20 proper aluminium tube - no difference ! >From the shack's temperature=20 of 23 degrees and taking the F/S meter outside to an ambient=20 13=20 degrees the meter's output changed from 0.48 volts to 0.35 volts=20 !! I have run out of ideas now and am thinking maybe it's even the=20 permeability of the die cast box that's changing or maybe the perspex end=20 caps of the ferrite rod. . . . I'm getting desperate ! 73 Chris=20 G3XIZ ________________________________ From: Dave Pick=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, 4 May, 2009=20 16:10:26 Subject: Re: LF: Field=20 Strength Meter - advice needed Chris Have you tried a can=20 of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies? Is it the ferrite aer= ial=20 or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain then a little negative=20 feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-decoupled source=20 resistor. Dave 'YXM 2009/5/3 Chris Osborn LF, I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook)= , modified for use on the 500 kHz band. I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering availab= le components, the differences being: a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published varicaps= . b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the publis= hed LW coil. I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet= the=20 field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and=20= can vary up to 30 %. I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've spen= t hours trying to correct it. 73 Chris G3XIZ --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK ________________________________ =20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.17/2095 - Release=20 Date: 05/04/09 06:00:00 =20 --0-1728732408-1241472700=:43044 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No Graham,

I can swap a flat battery with a new one a= nd the output hardly moves.
Yes the oscillator and RF stages are regulate= d and holding constant.

The problem's before the mixer.
As advised= , I disconnected the RF stage and injected a signal into the
mixer=20= and it gives a constant output even with a blow heater playing on the inside= s.

73 Chris XIZ

From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 4 May, 2009 21:31:37
= Subject: Re: LF: Field Strengt= h Meter - advice needed

=20
Chris

Its not the battery is it ... ass= ume=20 the supply voltage / regulated voltage is holding =20 constant ?

G ..

From: Chris Osborn

Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:23 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

Thanks again Dave and Alan,

I've spent a few more hours on the F= /S=20 meter today and still have not found the problem.
I can blow with a drink= ing=20 straw on any component an= d=20 there's very little
output change yet with time there's a slow drift with= =20 temperature - the output goes up
with increased temperature.

I tho= ught=20 I'd found the problem as by squeezing the ferrite rod 's screening tube
I= =20 could get a fair change in the output (about 10 %).
The tube's metal is n= ot=20 aluminium but I guess an aluminium alloy.
In any case I changed it for a=20 proper aluminium tube - no difference !

From the shack's temperature=20 of 23 degrees and taking the F/S meter outside to an ambient
13=20 degrees the meter's output changed from 0.48 volts to 0.35 volts=20 !!

I have run out of ideas now and am thinking maybe it's even the=20 permeability of the die cast box
that's changing or maybe the perspex end= =20 caps of the ferrite rod. . . . I'm getting desperate !

73 Chris=20 G3XIZ

From: Dave Pick=20 <daveyxm@googlemail.com>
To:<= /span>=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent:<= /span> Monday, 4 May, 2009=20 16:10:26
Subject: Re: LF= : Field=20 Strength Meter - advice needed

Chris

Have you tried a c= an=20 of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies? Is it the ferrite aer= ial=20 or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain then a little negative=20 feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-decoupled source=20 resistor.

Dave 'YXM

2009/5/3 Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>

LF,

I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF=20 Experimenters' Handbook),
modified for use on the 500 kHz band.

= I've=20 followed the published circuit as near as possible considering available=20 components,
the differences being:
a) I have used a small variable=20 capacitor instead of the published varicaps.
b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in= the=20 front end instead of dual gate mosfets.
c) Obviously I now use the MW c= oil=20 of the ferrite rod instead of the published LW coil.

I have made a=20 decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet the
fiel= d=20 strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and can v= ary=20 up to
30 %.

I would be most grateful for any advice on curing th= is=20 problem as I've spent hours trying
to correct it.

73 Chris=20 G3XIZ

--
G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG=20= -=20 www.avg.com
= Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.17/2095 - Release=20 Date: 05/04/09 06:00:00

--0-1728732408-1241472700=:43044-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG062-6074a07228537e; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:53:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG118-6074a07228537e; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:52:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3E8W-0000Y1-JF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:52:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3E8W-0000Xs-5a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:52:32 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.55]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3E8U-00012V-GU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:52:32 +0100 X-Trace: 192872517/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvgEAHa/BkpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTYQWsR0JjVAHgkSBMwU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,324,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="192872517" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 10 May 2009 19:52:28 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:52:28 +0100 Message-ID: <003801c9d1a0$7756a770$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> Thread-Index: AcnRnzNzw0+qtCPjTNe4bDGNEcXZ7AAASb2g X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham, LF, Printing all three modes at the moment, running three instances of Fldigi. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 10 May 2009 19:40 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later All, Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM To: Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later > > All > > Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 > > Tx set > > Dial 501.000 > mode usb > > FLDIGI software PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz > > MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz > > ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz > > Power 40 watts per stream > Running loop at 60 seconds repeat > > No rx due to drive below vox/alc level > > Reports welcome > > Graham > > G0NBD / IO83LK > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF044-5324a22716e32f; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:01:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF025-5324a22716e32f; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:00:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAji3-0000cE-Tb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:00:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAji3-0000c5-Bu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:00:15 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAji1-00025G-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:00:15 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31104C808E for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 14:00:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B2E4C801A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 14:00:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A227146.9030006@online.fr> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 14:00:06 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: qso PA0CPM => F1AFJ on 2200m Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010003090109060200030701" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 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KNdXAQwVM1liTOZ.ySR0aoPE1ZPA2LCeLg8W9OVKyhYLj2wej4xy0GFxJwtKjUzgNQ9woOphDbv0y47eRb7jNF.jpkKtCqfyQGBvDTx.KiGnEsMWGJpfGQz5z4i8vjkhR9dGLuB0GDRIFIDbXc0L7mW09Dd_JebxcLyu99pJp84dcg9NcYw2Xa0jkgCFe6Y191J.FM8Nw2sEW1V8d4ySmuXP1alPMG0UmVUwP7n0baPflg2sgz69kxIHu1mqCnifDOIV7oB3_b24lTIQg8PrM8zRfB.Cdmy3Eg7ojWZLHPEAP6x8LpQMKZie28a4VO1rWRgDqjf_HpLRSMx0fQUolzo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:23:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Chris, LF Group, Looking at the circuit, there are not that many possibilities for varying gain with temperature. The NE/SA 602/612 devices should be quite stable with temperature - the Philips data shows less than 1dB variation over 0 - 70 degrees. But if the oscillator level is marginal, gain might vary more. The 741 output amplifier is working at high gain, and low supply voltage, so might possibly be marginal. This would be worse if it were driven into clipping - unlikely if output V less than 1V RMS or so. The 2N3819 gain might vary quite a lot with temperature, depending on how it is biased, and the particular specimen of 2N3819. The RC low-pass filter might show significant variation with temperature if high-K ceramic capacitors with particularly wild temperature coefficients were used. The ferrite rod antenna is a possibility, especially if the tuning is fixed as shown in the circuit diagram. The Q and temperature coefficient of these can be quite high, so a temperature change could cause it to drift off frequency and change the signal level - with a Q of 200, about 1kHz change in frequency would be sufficient. I would suggest doing a bit of signal tracing - for example, disconnecting the RF stage and injecting a signal directly into the mixer would eliminate the ferrite rod and 2N3819. Another possibility would be to try heating up components individually, e.g. with a fingertip or a soldering iron, to see where large changes occur. Or, with the ferrite rod, try re-peaking the tuning after changing the temperature to see if there has been a shift in the tuning. Hope this is helpful, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Osborn" To: "LF Group" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (rly-mc01.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.85]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC042-d534a01ed8f1d5; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:06:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC013-d534a01ed8f1d5; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:05:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1nM4-0007UT-V1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:04:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1nM4-0007UK-CE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:04:36 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1nM2-0005vX-P2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:04:35 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71697B8043 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:04:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8488231E702 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:04:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 93B2D59B4; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:04:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 69.175-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (69.175-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.240.175.69]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:04:25 +0200 Message-ID: <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:04:25 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> In-Reply-To: <44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.240.175.69 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gerhard, tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 minutes= . Same mode as yesterday. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > Hello Rik, > > Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. > Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY test > transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward t= o > verify a new mode. > > Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC > Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) > > 73, Rik > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> >> >> Hello Rik, >> >> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one > more >> chance for decoding.... >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>> and listen inbetween. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>> >>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>> >>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions= . >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>> >>>>> OK Rik, >>>>> >>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to > monitor, >>> I >>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>> >>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>> The way I did it: >>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FI= R >>> BPF >>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>> >>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>> >>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>> >>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>> needs >>>>> to >>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got th= e >>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec= . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us > using >>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decod= e >>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the > colors >>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100H= z >>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>>> locator >>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobb= e >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD091-9134a0acbb52cf; Wed, 13 May 2009 09:31:51 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD073-9134a0acbb52cf; Wed, 13 May 2009 09:31:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4EWy-0003Ov-8C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 14:29:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4EWx-0003Om-Og for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 14:29:55 +0100 Received: from mail-qy0-f131.google.com ([209.85.221.131]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4EWv-0001dC-Fa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 14:29:55 +0100 Received: by qyk37 with SMTP id 37so1128050qyk.30 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 06:29:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fBR3nGXyY92lU8cLAH/MNCv+UjSB9vsLWw5xgyH8snM=; b=sOIDy0A1lMhaxos0h+kcaWI8rT32eqRfVsuALWO/HExZgAIRujUdxPhyeUtvLbhs29 fVUi+2jNeum43s4oAqD4zXau75+IuXIEU6w/yv/VtHt4MyqzhlcedngrMGTMhzrMjgE8 zvajbdmYfsMPzefB2cC8qPBsqxswjOQSdBbqw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CaHk1J4OhHGGtI552AWny9ehwt2rG2i02VkMEbsqXkQ2ruOFyrZHNP0A9MtDkYsqQz ZZl+szYkXIgjBPhE1JlEc7lK3xTZ+k2LhgJv2km4Sk144ZlDL+hv2WdaIGXMlIt/1g1N PNsgyA5hGox3N12sQRZmecYgOO6SRQD1E9Kx8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.74.16 with SMTP id s16mr1164246qaj.320.1242221385830; Wed, 13 May 2009 06:29:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:29:45 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905130629q408f0128yfe5356c77bbe084e@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d237.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, Gerhard, This is EXACTLY the dds that I used and observed considerable temperature drift when operating QRSS 60 on 137 kHz. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Beckmann, Gerhard wrote: > Hello Graham, > > > > the DDS-Oscillator under this link may partial meet your requirements =85 > > > > http://www.box73.de/catalog/pdf/FA0407_694-695.pdf?osCsid=3D983aae56f383b > > > > 73 de Gerhard /=A0 DK6NI > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham > Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 23:25 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? > > > > > > Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit , > > better a part completed kit=A0 would be=A0 better ...second hand working > > even better ! > > > > Ideal would be a box with a frequency=A0 display and a key pad to > > enter the=A0 frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device > > > > Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master > > oscillator=A0 for=A0 tx > > > > Any=A0 ideas or=A0 links (any for=A0 sale ?) > > > > Tnx- Graham . 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with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M50NZ-0007il-J6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:35:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M50NZ-0007ic-2h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:35:25 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M50NX-0008O5-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:35:24 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24B651C004 for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97763F3863 for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id E6E335B9F; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 131.38-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (131.38-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.38.131]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:35:14 +0200 Message-ID: <20090515183514.mt168ada0ug4k4c4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:35:14 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.38.131 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Aerial current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Richard, is you antenna matched to 50 Ohm ? If you just bring it to resonance (loading coild adjustment) the =20 antenna impedance can be anything between 10 and 100 Ohm. And some 10m's length of coax can cause some odd impedance =20 transformations, even on 500kHz. As I started on 500 I just tuned the loading coil to bring the antenna =20 to resonance at 502.5kHz. At the antenna feeding point I measured 40 =20 Ohm what comes down to a SWR of 1.25. Fair enough I thought, my PA =20 would handle such an SWR without a problem. But when I fired the PA I =20 got less output current than expected and far more input power than =20 expected, so the PA seemed not so happy. Next I measured the impedance at the TX end of the coax (40m long) and =20 found out that resonance was at 490kHz instead of 502.5kHz. I went back outside to measure the impedance at the antenna feeding =20 point: still 40 Ohm at 502.5kHz resonance. It is common knowledge: if the antenna impedance is different from 50 =20 Ohm then the coax act as an impedance transformer. But I did not =20 expect such significant effect. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Richard Newstead : > After my success in getting more current into the aerial yesterday I > decided to measure the RF current in the link (link coupled ATU) with a > proper RF ammeter. I was somewhat surprised that the current pinned my > 1 Amp RF meter. How can that be? I can think of some possible reasons: > > 1) The meter is wrong (it must be nearly 70 years old) > 2) The impedance is not 50 Ohms which is odd because I assume the TX is > designed to have a 50 Ohm output and I carefully adjusted the link for > maximum power transfer last night). > 3) The transmitter is giving out far more power than expected (seems > unlikely). > > Any ideas? > > Incidentally, am I best to measure current in the link or in the aerail wi= re? > > 73 > > Richard > > PS - beacon on again 501.6kHz. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA051-a644a08a9802ee; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:41:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA044-a644a08a9802ee; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:41:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3eAh-00081Y-Ue for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:40:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3eAh-00081N-Fv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:40:31 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3eAe-0001O7-Ef for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:40:30 +0100 thread-index: AcnSiXfzBpJvxhYITrOSy0P6OspyKg== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:40:21 +0100 Message-ID: <406BFF543DA74618A3CA53F315277917@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 00:40:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9D29A.3A4E0D00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9D29A.3A4E0D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree ! What is the valve of inductor ? Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:33 AM Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Gus/Dave=20 Might be the Q and BW of the rf path causing a little rounding of the audi= o spectrum , need to boost the lf and hf ..or attenuate the mid range ?=20 G .=20 From: Dave G3WCB=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Gus, Your SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of st= atic crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compre= ssion to boost your "talk power". My RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usu= al 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high. I have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to you? 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gus Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09= 07:02:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9D29A.3A4E0D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree ! What is the valve of inductor=20 ?

Gus

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Graham

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:33=20 AM

Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus/Dave

Might be the Q and BW of the rf path caus= ing a=20 little rounding of the audio spectrum , need to boost the lf and hf=20= ..or=20 attenuate the mid range ?

G .

From: Dave G3WCB

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM

To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus,

Your=20 SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of static=20 crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compressi= on=20 to boost your "talk power".

My=20 RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usual=20 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high.

I=20 have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to=20 you?

73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England

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From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 Gus
Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18
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Subject: LF:=20 SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,= 5 kHz=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a=20= CW id=20 include....

Reports are=20 wellcome.

73 de Gus=20 SM6BHZ

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------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9D29A.3A4E0D00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG091-a264a18102bb; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:03:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG078-a264a18102bb; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:03:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7sjm-00041G-MT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 16:02:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7sjm-000417-40 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 16:02:14 +0100 Received: from imo-m12.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.100] helo=imo-m12.mail.aol.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7sjj-0005bh-Ik for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 16:02:13 +0100 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-m12.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a180fe834a; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:02:00 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c7d.4af23aa3 (37535) for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB018-5c444a180fe1161; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:01:58 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MY07 (webmail-my07.sim.aol.com [64.12.108.18]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA012-5c444a180fe1161; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:01:53 -0400 References: <8CBA943F0C92715-A70-10C3@WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com> <003401c9db80$36bea390$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:01:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: <003401c9db80$36bea390$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g0mrf@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42951-STANDARD Received: from 87.80.206.159 by WEBMAIL-MY07.sysops.aol.com (64.12.108.18) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 23 May 2009 11:01:53 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBA9CE8AFE47D8-12C4-2051@WEBMAIL-MY07.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: CQ DX 500k Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBA9CE8B056ED7_12C4_41A7_WEBMAIL-MY07.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_30_40,HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CBA9CE8B056ED7_12C4_41A7_WEBMAIL-MY07.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Mal. Seems like a good idea to stick to your established 7033. However, QSY to 10MHz will not be necessary after all as the WPX contest is next weekend not this one. - My Mistake. 73 David -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 8:26 Subject: LF: Re: CQ DX 500k David That sounds good. I have found 7Mhz good to to the USA evening and night time. I have not tried 10 Mhz but it could be useful to avoid contest acty. Good luck de Mal/g3kev ? ----- Original Message ----- From: g0mrf@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; G1KAW@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:29 PM Subject: LF: CQ DX 500k Hi all. ? Can anyone on the East Coast USA comment of the state of 501 -504kHz for transatlantic reception? ? I have confirmed availability of a large field in East Sussex for this Sunday night?for some portable operation. ? If I have to select a frequency, then I may as well choose a clear one possibly in the mid - upper portion of the band say 503.1 ? One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well established 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. - So may have to go to 10MHz for that, or we do have 400W + 16 ele on 2m at 600 ft ASL which should be?fine for ON / F / PA western DL. Locator will be JO00EW near Dallington East Sussex. Power 0 - 250 Watts, antenna dependent. - Aim +10dBW peak ERP Main purpose of this trip is?the antenna experiment, but it would be nice to make some CW / QRSS3 QSOs too. Site location can be seen here. http://www.vhfdx.net/callbook/gmap.php?Lan=E&Call=G1KAW/P&Loc=JO00EW phone / text? 07958502540.? e-mail g0mrf@aol.com. Internet available on site. Thanks David Click here to get the very best of AOL, including news, sport, gossip, lifestyles updates and email. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.36/2127 - Release Date: 05/21/09 17:51:00 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ----------MB_8CBA9CE8B056ED7_12C4_41A7_WEBMAIL-MY07.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Mal.

Seems like a good idea to stick to your established 7033. However, QSY to 10MHz will not be necessary after all as the WPX contest is next weekend not this one. - My Mistake.

73

David

-----Original Message-----
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 8:26
Subject: LF: Re: CQ DX 500k

David

That sounds good. I have found 7Mhz good to to the USA evening and night time. I have not tried 10 Mhz but it could be useful to avoid contest acty.

Good luck

de Mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

From: g0mrf@aol.com

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; G1KAW@aol.com

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:29 PM

Subject: LF: CQ DX 500k

Hi all.

Can anyone on the East Coast USA comment of the state of 501 -504kHz for transatlantic reception?

I have confirmed availability of a large field in East Sussex for this Sunday night for some portable operation.

If I have to select a frequency, then I may as well choose a clear one possibly in the mid - upper portion of the band say 503.1

One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well established 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. - So may have to go to 10MHz for that, or we do have 400W + 16 ele on 2m at 600 ft ASL which should be fine for ON / F / PA western DL.

Locator will be JO00EW near Dallington East Sussex.
Power 0 - 250 Watts, antenna dependent. - Aim +10dBW peak ERP

Main purpose of this trip is the antenna experiment, but it would be nice to make some CW / QRSS3 QSOs too.

Site location can be seen here.
http://www.vhfdx.net/callbook/gmap.php?Lan=E&Call=G1KAW/P&Loc=JO00EW

phone / text 07958502540. e-mail g0mrf@aol.com. Internet available on site.

Thanks

David

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----------MB_8CBA9CE8B056ED7_12C4_41A7_WEBMAIL-MY07.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD102-8e74a009ea732a; Tue, 05 May 2009 16:16:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD017-8e74a009ea732a; Tue, 05 May 2009 16:16:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1R3T-0002y0-2q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:15:55 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1R3S-0002xr-CE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:15:54 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1R3R-0005yG-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:15:54 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E34751C006 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:15:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D1431E702 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:15:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CCB735D70; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:15:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.65.71.240]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:15:13 +0200 Message-ID: <20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 22:15:13 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.65.71.240 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC =20 and listen inbetween. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Rik Strobbe : > Hello Gary, LF, > > I just had a first transmission. > I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my > signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > >> OK Rik, >> >> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor,=20= I >> normally use TrueTTY. >> >> Thanks for the info. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Gary, LF, >> >> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >> The way I did it: >> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >> is the audio frequency you get) >> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR B= PF >> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >> do that in the main screen. >> >> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >> forget to select reverse mode). >> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >> >> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>> Hello Gary, >>> >>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>> provide a robust signal. >>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>> Hi Rik, >>>> >>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal need= s >> to >>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>> partial decode. >>>> >>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>> >>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using >> 85Hz. >>>> >>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Hello Gary, >>>> >>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>>> and options. >>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>> bandwidth. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>> >>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>> >>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >> locator >>>>> :- >>>>> >>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> dear all, >>>>> >>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >> 21UTC >>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC104-b484a19a129373; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:34:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC104-b484a19a129373; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:34:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JRh-00016s-Ec for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:33:21 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JRg-00016j-VU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:33:21 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8JRf-0008Hv-7s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:33:20 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525C77B8043 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:33:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356F5F3862 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:33:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 53F095AD3; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:33:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 84.36-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (84.36-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.36.84]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:33:07 +0200 Message-ID: <20090524213307.sbrh6ea8x2g4og4s@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:33:07 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <108EF969E1FE4E14821FD0B03287232F@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <108EF969E1FE4E14821FD0B03287232F@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.36.84 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) nil from G0MRF here (until 19:30 UTC) Are they QRV ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting James Moritz : > Dear LF Group, > > Just worked G0MRF at 1705utc. Signal was 549 - apparently they are > still working on the antenna, so might improve yet... Got a good report > from them, so obviously receiving OK. Good luck for the rest of the > operation, David and Garo. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD064-8fe4a17e7fe89; Sat, 23 May 2009 08:12:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD046-8fe4a17e7fe89; Sat, 23 May 2009 08:11:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7q4D-0003Zt-Ut for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:11:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7q4D-0003Zk-JH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:11:09 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7q4B-0004t0-7j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:11:08 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D7051C006 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:10:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C9D31E702 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:10:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id F2A49584D; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:10:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 119.84-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (119.84-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.200.84.119]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:10:58 +0200 Message-ID: <20090523141058.4t71vid4rioc0c8k@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 14:10:58 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A17AE9F.2070000@btconnect.com> <8AB8247AC0EC491BB2748E799A45AC0B@AGB> <4A17D26B.9060605@btconnect.com> <20090523133605.1qbynq53yd20ckgw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <4A17E3E7.9070806@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A17E3E7.9070806@btconnect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.200.84.119 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: M0FMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I will have a look for you. Good Luck Rik Quoting Richard Newstead : > Rik Strobbe wrote: >> Hello Richard, >> >> if you let me know when / on what frequency you are transmitting I >> will try to copy your signal. >> >> > Rik > > I hope to be QRV at 1330z today portable from IO83xd. 200ft inverted L > with 8m vertical section. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc11.mx.aol.com (rly-mc11.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.95]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC071-da44a228fbd2c5; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:10:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC114-da44a228fbd2c5; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:10:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAlin-0001kp-I9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:09:09 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAlin-0001kg-4x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:09:09 +0100 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAlik-0002XN-Qy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:09:09 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KKI00G80HZ1UR@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:09:01 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:08:59 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <6EB1D4FED02B404BB309625DCF1B97A8@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.64,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: PA3CPM F4DTL Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1kkb3t4uIILHTWdZBb6CdA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_1kkb3t4uIILHTWdZBb6CdA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT tu nicolas henny pa3cpm 73s ----- Original Message ----- From: F4DTL@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: LF: PA3CPM F4DTL Many thanx Henny for this second contact with you. Happy to see you next time dear. F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2144 - Release Date: 05/30/09 17:53:00 --Boundary_(ID_1kkb3t4uIILHTWdZBb6CdA) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
tu nicolas

henny pa3cpm

73s

----- Original Message -----

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Subject: LF: PA3CPM F4DTL

Many thanx Henny for this second contact with you.

Happy to see you next time dear.

F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP
http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/

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--Boundary_(ID_1kkb3t4uIILHTWdZBb6CdA)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG093-a194a1e6c7677; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:50:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG063-a194a1e6c7677; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:50:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9dAf-00020u-OD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:49:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9dAf-00020l-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:49:13 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9dAa-00068X-Az for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:49:12 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AisFAEcIHkpOlpzE/2dsb2JhbACCJC2CBIdNBsIugjmBVAU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.156.196]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 11:49:02 +0100 Message-ID: <003201c9df81$e9e4c8f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:47:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: ATU MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C9DF8A.20D439B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C9DF8A.20D439B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 called MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER AIRCRA= FT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with 200 feet trailing wire antenna.= =20 Contains variometer, switches and vac relay.=20 I have a nice specimen at my QTH. Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching. Maybe someone has used one in a B29 G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C9DF8A.20D439B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C9DF8A.20D439B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB014-ce54a05656e82; Sat, 09 May 2009 07:13:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB011-ce54a05656e82; Sat, 09 May 2009 07:13:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2kUC-0001mK-Vs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 12:12:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2kUC-0001mB-KB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 12:12:56 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2kUA-0005P8-Qc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 12:12:56 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao0FAGwBBUpOlKsr/2dsb2JhbACEUMotg34F Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.171.43]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 09 May 2009 12:12:47 +0100 Message-ID: <00a101c9d097$157f4070$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> <4A053B34.6050807@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:09:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard Since u can hr me I should be able to work u if u run reasonable power out. 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:13 AM Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable > Richard Newstead wrote: >> >> Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in >> Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? >> > Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I also play)? > Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 11:43:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME074-9db4a072df427b; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:41:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME097-9db4a072df427b; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:41:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3EtF-0000rx-RL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:40:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3EtF-0000ro-Bs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:40:49 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3EtE-0001Dh-7m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:40:49 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397F67B804E for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:40:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F8A31E703 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:40:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 60C005BF8; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:40:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 37.176-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (37.176-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.176.37]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:40:03 +0200 Message-ID: <20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:40:03 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> In-Reply-To: <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.176.37 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Graham, thanks for the QSO's last night. Under current conditions (lot of QRN and QSB) ThrobX2 seemes a bit better th= an PSK31. MFSK4 wouldn't print last night. The night before it was the same until all the sudden I had a perfect print. Maybe tuning / synchronisation is rather critical for MFSK4. The bandwidth of MFSK4 seems about 150Hz, so i will not use it for transmit. PSK31 and ThrobX2 are well below 100Hz. I will try to decode the signals starting 21:00 UTC. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Graham : > Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream > same text , 60 sec repeat .. > > > PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz =3D 503.20k cent rf > > MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz =3D 503,00k cent rf > > ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz =3D 502.70 k cent rf > > > Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' > lock up time ? > > Graham > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Graham" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM > To: > Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > >> >> All, >> >> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >> >> G .. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Graham" >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >> To: >> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >> >>> >>> All >>> >>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>> >>> Tx set >>> >>> Dial 501.000 >>> mode usb >>> >>> FLDIGI software >> >> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>> >>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>> >>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>> >>> Power 40 watts per stream >>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>> >>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>> >>> Reports welcome >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/= 09 >>> 06:54:00 >>> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: =20 >> 05/09/09 06:54:00 >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-58a4a092190124; Tue, 12 May 2009 03:13:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF113-58a4a092190124; Tue, 12 May 2009 03:13:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3m9n-0001PW-GG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 08:12:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3m9m-0001PM-SI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 08:12:06 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3m9k-0003us-2O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 08:12:06 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81AD7B8043 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:11:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-199.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.199]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE9B31E702 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:11:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:11:15 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <406BFF543DA74618A3CA53F315277917@radiorummet> References: <406BFF543DA74618A3CA53F315277917@radiorummet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090512071115.2CE9B31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_EXTRA_CLOSE=2.699,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_56159109==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_56159109==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Gus, Dave, Graham, I guess even the Q of the antenna can attenuate the low and/or high tones. In theory with a SSB bandwidth of 2.7kHz and a operating frequency of 505kHz a Q = 180 would cause a 3 dB attenuation at the ends. But from my experience results could even be worse: Although the Q of my antenna is only 50 I notice a significant power reduction if I tune the antenna mid-band (502.5kHz) and QSY to one of the band edges without re-tuning. I assume that the PA is rather "allergic" to a even rather small reactive part of the load. In addition the fading on 500 can indeed be very frequency-selective. During Graham's 3 mode test I could notice different QSB patterns between the 3 signals (that were only some 100 Hz apart). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 00:40 12/05/2009, you wrote: >I agree ! What is the valve of inductor ? > >Gus >----- Original Message ----- >From: Graham >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:33 AM >Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon > >Gus/Dave > >Might be the Q and BW of the rf path causing a little rounding of >the audio spectrum , need to boost the lf and hf ..or attenuate the >mid range ? > >G . > >From: Dave G3WCB >Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon > >Gus, > >Your SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots >of static crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio >processing/compression to boost your "talk power". > >My RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is >my usual 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high. > >I have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to you? > >73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gus >Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18 >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon > >Dear LF group, > >I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. >Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... >Reports are wellcome. > >73 de Gus SM6BHZ > > >---------- > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: >05/10/09 07:02:00 --=====================_56159109==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Gus, Dave, Graham,

I guess even the Q of the antenna can attenuate the low and/or high tones.
In theory with a SSB bandwidth of 2.7kHz and a operating frequency of 505kHz a Q = 180 would cause a 3 dB attenuation at the ends.
But from my experience results could even be worse: Although the Q of my antenna is only 50 I notice a significant power reduction if I tune the antenna mid-band (502.5kHz) and QSY to one of the band edges without re-tuning. I assume that the PA is rather "allergic" to a even rather small reactive part of the load.
In addition the fading on 500 can indeed be very frequency-selective. During Graham's 3 mode test I could notice different QSB patterns between the 3 signals (that were only some 100 Hz apart).

73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T

At 00:40 12/05/2009, you wrote:

I agree ! What is the valve of inductor ?

Gus

----- Original Message -----

From: Graham

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:33 AM

Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus/Dave

Might be the Q and BW of the rf path causing a little rounding of the audio spectrum , need to boost the lf and hf ..or attenuate the mid range ?

G .

From: Dave G3WCB

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus,

Your SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of static crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compression to boost your "talk power".

My RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usual 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high.

I have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to you?

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England

-----Original Message-----

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gus

Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include....

Reports are wellcome.

73 de Gus SM6BHZ

No virus found in this incoming message.

Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 07:02:00

--=====================_56159109==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (rly-ma01.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.44]) by air-ma01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA012-88e4a20365e297; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:24:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA018-88e4a20365e297; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:24:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MA7fw-00069b-M5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:23:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MA7fw-00069S-9y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:23:32 +0100 Received: from mail-fx0-f174.google.com ([209.85.220.174]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MA7ft-0001VE-QH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:23:31 +0100 Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so8837337fxm.4 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:23:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FM6TpLbtSnBNzuGuJrs8a6xJK3gixCcdzdLd+nS2fQo=; b=T6w564DzVgu/BYNCjkwTwimqFYl7S8up62YlDQ7nIZUThQsM725AIZwUI9xGq8twqS EZ8Wgb+DkQvcNPQv/xswc6Qw+CHP0H/s7HjlCEQ6D/CxuaeK47/Z0ZJUxKXprbOVWVwi 0akjQtNeOOp8QdEbPs4UGPuLB3iK8xUmsTy1k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qISIwBcxYv4xBKRbjA0wksOZDg0IslQ2al2ZPOZSnl+SJvHTvFpsUMpAP5IRYqNjbS U89WNuXVwOS0e1BWgQbz9c+aUcdjHYgR2Our0vmRs6SGhYaM/4aDECj73IvVlbcmrxZ+ BXLbPnAYjsDaHY4g0XwHVyq0682dngdOTq+4g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.151.15 with SMTP id p15mr242835hbb.139.1243625003619; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:23:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <002e01c9e08e$d0b12d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <002e01c9e08e$d0b12d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 21:23:23 +0200 Message-ID: From: valerio gabbani To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IK5ZPV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f6288a931809046b12024f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m252.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f6288a931809046b12024f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2009/5/29 mal hamilton > Here 559 but not listening for a CW reply !! > g3kev > > > Hello Mal and the others.... yes, after many time i just try LF again, but in the meantime many thinks changed first of all the trees, now many meters higher than in the past. So i started to test my antenna without receiving; making some measurement it seems quite ok with about 500W of power. Now i can copy beacon transmission of F6AAO, but nothing else. I hope to see/hear someone in the future. '73 IK5ZPV -- Valerio Gabbani --001485f6288a931809046b12024f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2009/5/29 mal hamilton = <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>

Here 559 but not listening for a CW reply !!

g3kev

=A0

Hello Mal and the others....
yes, after many time= i just try LF again, but in the meantime many thinks changed first of all t= he trees, now many meters higher than in the past.
So i started to test my antenna without receiving; making some measurement i= t seems quite ok with about 500W of power.
Now i can copy beacon transmis= sion of F6AAO, but nothing else.
I hope to see/hear someone in the future= .
'73

IK5ZPV

-- Valerio Gabbani
--001485f6288a931809046b12024f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC072-b4a4a21136c122; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:07:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC106-b4a4a21136c122; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:07:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMOr-0008Uf-Ld for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:06:53 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMOr-0008UW-5B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:06:53 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f170.google.com ([209.85.217.170]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAMOp-00084x-AT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:06:53 +0100 Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so8781670gxk.4 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:06:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3AlF4mNaE5hecPNvzzA0mpN9+JgWb6oPorya4tbeMbo=; b=Z1l8fg+nQDLdHtGgbT0fsScazwJk+mKTq+10kqhs91xff9VQxIqzxB0khmlEdUKlwa FlkYFEoNtia58Y15/+REr1P2ZjBduSAcFesSaqiylNSxbVvk5ut6u8e6psiNbWgvi9qb K4MTzMsnWlYF6U/cy2zougwzWTQlyRaEg9o0E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=b1GjIkN50LAa3BCg/L/Kgz2eyjb6jFQ/giHHQml2DsKDnyh6tr4vzsaLSkpJ35leli YpXl3dZ2+ZcHpcG7BIo60cIVPJu4hbUhPlbsYoYvYhZxDkHisuO9GGTg6j3F09V45wZJ eeKCCcJgD1hFaCg9w3X9jsuTzWCi6StzamYlc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.130.6 with SMTP id h6mr7077251ybn.205.1243681602856; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:06:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:06:42 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905300406p54cf1d54o14cbfebabf5f5216@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f0ee426e5d8046b1f30eb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m214.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f0ee426e5d8046b1f30eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanks Dave. I will try suggested companies. Actually looking for Xtal on 8020 to 8030 so unlikely anyone has one ! \Thanks Laurie. 2009/5/30 Dave G3WCB > Laurie, > > McKnight and Hy-Q used to advertise in RadCom. They may still be trading. > Addresses below. > > IQD are also around, but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like us! > > What frequency/style are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector > probably has what you need. > > > *McKnight* *Crystals*...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY > 01703-848961 > ENGLAND > > > > Hy-Q Intrnational (UK) Ltd. (44) 01223-834444 > Fax: (44) 01223-834589. > > > http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/ > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]*On Behalf Of *lawrence mayhead > *Sent:* 30 May 2009 11:42 > *To:* rsgb > *Subject:* LF: Information > > Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? > I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! > Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? > Any ideas thanks > Laurie G3AQC > > --001e680f0ee426e5d8046b1f30eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many thanks Dave. I will try suggested companies.
Actually looking for Xt= al on 8020 to 8030 so unlikely
anyone has one !
\Thanks Laurie.
2009/5/30 Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com&g= t;

Laurie,<= /font>

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McKnight and Hy= -Q used to advertise in RadCom. They may=20 still be trading. Addresses below.

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IQD=20 are also around, but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like=20 us!

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What=20 frequency/style are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector probably has=20= what=20 you need.

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M= cKnight Crystals...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY 01703-848961 ENGLAND
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Hy-Q Intrnational (UK) L= td. (44) 01223-834444 Fax: (44) 01223-834589.

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http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/

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73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Orig= inal Message-----
From:=20 ow= ner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence=20 mayhead
Sent: 30 May 2009 11:42
To:=20 rsgb
Subject: LF: Information

Does anybody=20 manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days?
I have trawled Go= ogle=20 to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!!
Nothing in Radcom. What= 9;s=20 happened to companies like QCC ?
Any ideas thanks
Laurie=20 G3AQC

--001e680f0ee426e5d8046b1f30eb-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB062-aa54a113e5b1dd; Mon, 18 May 2009 06:54:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB013-aa54a113e5b1dd; Mon, 18 May 2009 06:54:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M60TA-0007uB-DN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 11:53:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M60TA-0007u2-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 11:53:20 +0100 Received: from mta21.charter.net ([216.33.127.81]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M60T6-0003kX-Nw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 11:53:19 +0100 Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090518105251.LBJG3344.mta21.charter.net@imp09> for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 06:52:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.189.74.84]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id sysr1b0021p78xe05ysrZd; Mon, 18 May 2009 06:52:51 -0400 Message-ID: <4A113E03.7050608@charter.net> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 06:52:51 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <24A4F797878B46638E6CBE90171EB311@ns94d01ae4d850> <4A07F352.6020105@online.fr> <4A0E6A8D.5000208@online.fr> <4A110CE7.7090908@online.fr> In-Reply-To: <4A110CE7.7090908@online.fr> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: [137kHz] LF T/A WD2XES Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jean-Pierre, Thanks for the report! John, W1TAG/WD2XES Jean-Pierre M�r� (F1AFJ) wrote: > Hello LF , > > Last night good copy of XES ( 01:25 => 02:20 ) > > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2119 - Release Date: 05/17/09 16:58:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-b0b4a1229133d3; Mon, 18 May 2009 23:36:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC027-b0b4a1229133d3; Mon, 18 May 2009 23:35:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6G6I-0003Hs-AY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 04:34:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6G6H-0003Hj-Uu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 04:34:45 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s12.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6G6G-0007IS-6x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 04:34:45 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W8 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s12.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 18 May 2009 20:34:38 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.244.2] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:34:38 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8ACED3BED0484971A82257CCD4C67FF1@JimPC> References: <8ACED3BED0484971A82257CCD4C67FF1@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2009 03:34:38.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCC2FEB0:01C9D832] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cd8cfd2b-fd0f-49dc-9b3b-1b7fc55cc0db_" Subject: LF: Re: JA ops X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_cd8cfd2b-fd0f-49dc-9b3b-1b7fc55cc0db_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiroshi not responding to emails at the moment, but I know he has large amou= nts of noise from SMPSU's - DCF39 there from a quiet location is going to be= the same as here minus a couple of dBs I guess - that is a shorter and gett= ing shorter opening every night and signals quality (not especially level) l= imited by QRN.. =20 If he pops back up on line Ill ask. =20 Cheers Laurence =20 > From: james., >=20 > Do you know if Hiroshi and the JA people have been able to copy DCF 39 et=20 > al? >=20 > >=20 > Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites - f= yi=20 > 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto= rial_WhatsNew1_052009=3D --_cd8cfd2b-fd0f-49dc-9b3b-1b7fc55cc0db_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiroshi not responding to emails at the moment, but I know he has large amou= nts of noise from SMPSU's - DCF39 there from a quiet location= is going to be the same as here minus a couple of dBs I guess - t= hat is a shorter and getting shorter opening every night and signals quality= (not especially level) limited by QRN..

If he pops back up on line Ill ask.

Cheers
Laurence

> From: james.,
>
> Do you know if Hir= oshi and the JA people have been able to copy DCF 39 et
> al?
>=
> >
> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflec= tor and info sites - fyi
> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A
> >
>
>

Hotmail=AE has a new way to see what= 's up with your friends. C= heck it out. =3D --_cd8cfd2b-fd0f-49dc-9b3b-1b7fc55cc0db_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc07.mx.aol.com (rly-mc07.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.91]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC031-d874a2248ff180; Sun, 31 May 2009 05:08:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC077-d874a2248ff180; Sun, 31 May 2009 05:08:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAh17-0007x9-DS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:07:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAh17-0007x0-2v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:07:45 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAh13-0008JC-VH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:07:44 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BB34C80C0 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:07:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AA54C8046 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:07:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A2248D7.10503@online.fr> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:07:35 +0200 From: =?windows-1252?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <380-2200950319014245@M2W030.mail2web.com> In-Reply-To: <380-2200950319014245@M2W030.mail2web.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: F1AFJ 20dB over QRN on 137.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) TNX John 73 f1afj john.rabson@wanadoo.fr a =E9crit : > At 0850z. Argo set to 3sec dots. > > F5VLF > Burgundy > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com =96 Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microso= ft=AE > Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail > > > > > > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA104-a4a49ff9c601b9; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:54:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA012-a4a49ff9c601b9; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:54:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M19r9-0008UM-2F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 02:54:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M19r8-0008UD-Lw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 02:54:02 +0100 Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M19r5-00066R-OD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 02:54:02 +0100 Received: from DR2 ([71.184.212.10]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJ5005NNELGI9K2@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 20:53:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "dave.riley3" To: "Jeffrey Herman" , "600 Meter Research Group" , References: <000301c9bc43$b366cfa0$6401a8c0@radiocomputer> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 21:53:41 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I cannot understand why a ham would use a Marconi loaded vertical or a dipole... Too much work... Yes, the LOOP is always more quiet than a wire terminated in space that picks up electrostatics in the near field just super efficiently... But it is not as quiet as a dummy load, UNLESS you do some phasing and amping with a 2nd or even 3rd 'noise' antenna... Exhibit #1 www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP109.jpg I have no idea why I would ever go back to a conventional wire antenna ( dipoles - verticals ) with lossy loading coils, lossy ground, super high voltages, wires that hang up in the trees, etc... The poorer the ground the better it's performance... This LOOP works DX on every band from 500khz. to 6 Meters... Havn't tried 2M yet... It's the only antenna I need any more... Ref: Bill Ashlock and all the fine work he did... http://wireless.org.uk/loopy.htm Good luck, the DX will be there and you will be a happy looper... Works good on horizontal too, on horizontal signals... NG on 500 etc... 73s from Dave @ WD2XSH/17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Herman" To: "600 Meter Research Group" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: 600MRG> T or F? > KG9OM, in detailing his 160M loop antenna states: > > "Although I'm not convinced, most hams who use loops often claim that a > loop is less susceptible to atmospheric and man-made noise." > > (See: http://www.dxzone.com/cgi-bin/dir/jump2.cgi?ID=7489) > > I believe he's comparing the loop to a dipole here. > > Comments? > > 73, > Jeff KH6O > > > *********** The Primary 600MRG E-mail List Website is: ********** > ******************* http://www.500kc.com/ *********************** > ******* Secondary is: http://www.mines.uidaho.edu/~SHMRG/ ******* > *** Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to this address: **** > ************** majordomo@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu ************** > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-4d64a09b1fc8a; Tue, 12 May 2009 13:30:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE053-4d64a09b1fc8a; Tue, 12 May 2009 13:29:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3vmT-0004ay-Fj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:28:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3vmS-0004ap-Rl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:28:40 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3vmP-0002uz-Q6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:28:40 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFALtOCUpOlLdA/2dsb2JhbACCJC+BfYc+BsFxhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.183.64]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 18:28:26 +0100 Message-ID: <00ce01c9d327$0f3bc390$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A094F88.31094.2E46CD4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <007401c9d2fa$863a6280$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <88d2415e0905120902x24259365o364835d11f09dd01@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:28:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C9D32F.70C96420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C9D32F.70C96420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lawerence=20 No one is disputing downward SLOPE reduces the effective height. We are disc= ussing 500 Khz PORTABLE and the most convenient way to erect a suitable ante= nna with minimum effort and you agree at 500 Khz it will not be a serious di= sadvantage to have such a slope.=20 therefore a single mast and some slope is acceptable. You are AGREEING wiith= me so I am confused by your email !!!!!! The topic is 500 Khz PORTABLE. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable I fully agree with Mike and Andy, any slope downward will reduce the effec= tive height of the antenna, and hence its radiation resistance. This may not be too much of a problem on 500kHz where enough RF can be gen= erated but on 136 not so good and on 73 useless. I have proved this in practice as well as by simulation. So there you are Mal. Laurie G3AQC=20 2009/5/12 Andy Talbot A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to become a=20= loop with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather than a=20= vertical. ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tenth of a wavelen= gth cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered in its entir= ety. Such is obvious even before resorting to modelling. Mike was referrin= g to electrically short antennas where the downward sloping part simply oppo= ses the current flow in the upward path. =20 A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too noticea= ble in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could do more good= than its slope undoes. Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude and tre= ating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as second-class rad= io-ams, you stop and read the exam question. Andy G4JNT wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom 2009/5/12 mal hamilton You are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and espe= cially antennas. I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with the far end= just above ground , and in normal CW mode. Some time ago it was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil former= s, thought an AR88D was a diversity fly catcher. What is coming next? The diversity UMBRELLA!!!! My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 100 ft high and perfor= ms well but for some this might be difficult, therefore use what you can get= on your property and let the far end tilt down if necessary. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end ti= ed to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as f= ar away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Kee= p it simple. mal/g3kev This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards will reduce the effective height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the effective height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far preferable to an inverted-L in a single mast situation because a large amount of capacitance to ground can be achieved without much reduction of effective height. Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Keep well away fro= m wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is power lost. 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Lawerence

No one is disputing downward SLOPE reduces=20= the=20 effective height. We are discussing 500 Khz PORTABLE and the most convenient= way=20 to erect a suitable antenna with minimum effort and you agree at 500 Khz it=20= will=20 not be a serious disadvantage to have such a slope.

therefore a single mast and some slope is=20 acceptable. You are AGREEING wiith me so I am confused by your email !!!!!!=20= The=20 topic is 500 Khz PORTABLE.

G3KEV

----- Original Message -----

lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:02 PM=

Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz=20 Portable

I fully agree with Mike and Andy, any slope downward will=20 reduce the effective height of the antenna, and hence its radiation=20 resistance.
This may not be too much of a problem on 500kHz where enoug= h RF=20 can be generated but on 136 not so good and on 73 useless.
I have= =20 proved this in practice as well as by simulation.
So there you are=20 Mal.
Laurie G3AQC

2009/5/12 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com><= /SPAN>

A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to beco= me a=20 loop with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather tha= n a=20 vertical.   ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tent= h of=20 a wavelength cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered= in=20 its entirety. Such is obvious even before resorting to=20 modelling. Mike was referring to electrically short antennas where= the=20 downward sloping part simply opposes the current flow in the upward=20 path.

A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too=20 noticeable in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could d= o=20 more good than its slope undoes.

Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude=20 and treating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as=20 second-class radio-ams, you stop and read the exam question.

Andy G4JNT
wobbleU cubed=20 .g4jnt.kom

2009/5/12 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@ta= lktalk.net>

You=20 are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and especial= ly=20 antennas.
I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas wit= h=20 the far end just above ground , and in normal CW mode.
Some time ag= o it=20 was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil formers, thought a= n=20 AR88D was a diversity fly catcher.
What is coming next? The=20 diversity UMBRELLA!!!!
My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv= L,=20 100 ft high and performs well but for some this might be difficult,=20 therefore use what you can get on your property and let the far end ti= lt=20 down if necessary.
G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- From:=20 "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
To: <rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May=20 12, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable

<= BR>

You=20 do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna.
The so called=20 horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied
to a bus= h or=20 tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far
away as= =20 possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep=20 it
simple. mal/g3kev

This is quite wrong. A= ny=20 slope downwards will reduce the effective
height of a Marconi. Si= nce=20 ERP is a function of the square of the
effective height this is=20 extremely important. An umbrella is far
preferable to an inverted= -L=20 in a single mast situation because a
large amount of capacitance=20= to=20 ground can be achieved without much
reduction of effective=20 height.

Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and= =20 136kHz), my
advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a= =20 Marconi are
very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Kee= p=20 well away from
wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any=20 voltage leaked is
power lost.

Mike,=20 G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C9D32F.70C96420-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG031-5ef4a049661b5; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:30:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG094-5ef4a049661b5; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:30:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Whc-0006kg-U0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:29:52 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Whc-0006kX-CD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:29:52 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.52]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Wha-0001F8-0A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:29:52 +0100 X-Trace: 195958565/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuIEAGQzBEpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTIMOgQiFU7xdB4N2BQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,319,1238972400"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,145";a="195958565" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 08 May 2009 21:29:48 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:29:48 +0100 Message-ID: <00b101c9d01b$bbd34790$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnQGVoHyKkL9Z5CQ6WSXO8zrAy4CQAAPqsQ X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C9D024.1D97AF90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C9D024.1D97AF90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham, LF, It looks a little over the 100Hz bandwidth, viewing using Fldigi & SpecLab it looks to 120Hz. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 08 May 2009 21:10 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Ok Gary , What do you make the BW ? looks to be just 100 Hz close in ? Tnx - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary - G4WGT" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:59 PM To: Subject: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > > Hi Graham, LF, > > Coming in here no problem. > > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham > Sent: 08 May 2009 20:05 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > > > Narrow , MFSK 4 running 503.000 cent freq > > tx set 502.000 usb / 1000 hz audio cent > > FLDIGI software > > 100 Hz bw ? how wide do you make it ? > > tnx- Graham > > G0NBD > > IO83LK > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2103 - Release Date: 05/07/09 > 18:05:00 > ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C9D024.1D97AF90 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Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Marcin, LF Group, Now (1850utc) QRV on 137.7kHz for the next few hours Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcin" To: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: LF: Re: WPF > Hello! > Is there anyone to sked 136kHz? > Plise about LF sked to saturday (16 may 2009); in the evening; QRSS or CW; > 137,710kHz.. > We have QRV on SP2KDS Club: JO94II ,1W EIRP, longwire antena 30m/110m. > -- > Vy 73! > Marcin SQ2BXI > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD061-b6d4a09e96a399; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:26:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD037-b6d4a09e96a399; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:26:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3zTf-0006X0-10 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:25:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3zTe-0006Wr-Hr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:25:30 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3zTb-0004YS-3X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 22:25:29 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 121811C00084 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 23:25:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.12.252]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id B32891C00082 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 23:25:21 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090512212521733.B32891C00082@mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:25:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0168_01C9D350.8726C840" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0168_01C9D350.8726C840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit , better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working even better ! Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device=20 Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master=20 oscillator for tx=20 Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) Tnx- Graham .=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0168_01C9D350.8726C840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Looking for a low freque= ncy ,=20 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit ,

better a part completed=20 kit would be better ...second hand working

even better !

Ideal would be a box wit= h a=20 frequency display and a key pad to

enter the frequenc= y ,=20 preferable to a pc addressed device

Couple of volts sine wav= e out ,=20 nothing fancy , simple master

oscillator for&nbs= p; tx=20

Any ideas or = links=20 (any for sale ?)

Tnx- Graham .=20
------=_NextPart_000_0168_01C9D350.8726C840-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG051-5c549fccaa62ea; Sat, 02 May 2009 18:35:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG052-5c549fccaa62ea; Sat, 02 May 2009 18:35:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0Nmr-0007WQ-GU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 23:34:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0Nmr-0007WH-5c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 23:34:25 +0100 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0Nmp-0008NW-Eh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 23:34:25 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-19-222.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.19.222] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1M0Nmj-000FOK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 23:34:17 +0100 Message-ID: <49FCCD91.80809@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 23:47:45 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Big signal RU6LA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Ed, Your signals peaking 22dB above noise from 2050hrs. Will send a picture when I get a screen full Peter, G3LDO ** > * > > * > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG052-5f84a19a8081e3; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:03:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG103-5f84a19a8081e3; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:03:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JuC-0001Uo-IZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:02:48 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JuC-0001Uf-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:02:48 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr06.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.184]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8JuA-0008UL-Ig for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:02:48 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2beaomr06.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id BNW49441; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:02:41 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A19A7E4.4030606@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:02:44 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr06.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0205.4A19A7E1.005A,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Monday activity 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all I will make a capacity hat vertical and try that out on a hill tomorrow (Monday). I will post here before I set off. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-ada4a13b6b01c5; Wed, 20 May 2009 03:52:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB078-ada4a13b6b01c5; Wed, 20 May 2009 03:52:18 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6gZb-0008RD-27 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:50:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6gZa-0008R4-NY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:50:46 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6gZW-0007Rn-Fc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:50:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 55729 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 07:50:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=dGE5uwbSu7wIqzoq39kW6DP5tVHJuZj+RzyyZhgo9uzFqCoFx1r8wyHme20Q+GJRgMMxzStRbNQWP5s42nnWigsNFOIUUnBd3khpZhbuTnsFy3N0m737Jj1Ay8PBZFUReMlIKtzC0sHaGpGQLdl1JwFf0en5kzm91LJC1q7bV34= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 07:50:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wzcWzcQVM1kcH_VdV.AS5R1s.zpxnocudetmTuc9lMwFWTTe7GhoC8Y5qNAzDAKNG8hIMjR84Nl3I6Or.9cM5Gc1rb7XTMZwWFRxCEzjnxTA4fKgJZ8vmsA0DqaCvATs9pOUo3D3dNX9ZAm98IaO3ejcqIlPK92xfFUA6RbIRK0EIgAWK1NS6NPX9PGt2sqmT5trULuHee6lpZI1hneH6Imp X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <1B0A986B3D4145A59DB8C62900192872@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:50:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: SAQ 20/5/09 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, Usual good copy of SAQ here, with an unusually long broadcast regarding JND radio becoming an IEEE Milestone. Tuning up started around 0640utc, broadcasts at 0700, 0730, shut-down at 0747. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB044-ad14a097f492ae; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:53:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB067-ad14a097f492ae; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:53:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3sPL-0003CJ-Fb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 14:52:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3sPK-0003CA-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 14:52:34 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3sPH-000888-Ki for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 14:52:34 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAK4bCUpOlLdA/2dsb2JhbACCJC+BfYc+BsBohAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.183.64]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 14:52:25 +0100 Message-ID: <008e01c9d308$e1c987d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A094F88.31094.2E46CD4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <007401c9d2fa$863a6280$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:52:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01C9D311.4354B760" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C9D311.4354B760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to become a lo= op with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather than a ve= rtical. ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tenth of a wavelengt= h cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered in its entiret= y. Such is obvious even before resorting to modelling. Mike was referring=20= to electrically short antennas where the downward sloping part simply oppose= s the current flow in the upward path. =20 A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too noticeabl= e in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could do more good t= han its slope undoes. Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude and treat= ing all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as second-class radio= -ams, you stop and read the exam question. I QUOTE from emails sent on the reflector by the man himself, but forgot=20= to mention the TOOTHBRUSH INSULATORS. If one is serious about LF/MFantennas and putting out a respectable signal= then perhaps some hectares would be an advantage.=20 Now is the time to buy. G3KEV =20 Andy G4JNT wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom 2009/5/12 mal hamilton You are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and especi= ally antennas. I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with the far end j= ust above ground , and in normal CW mode. Some time ago it was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil formers,= thought an AR88D was a diversity fly catcher. What is coming next? The diversity UMBRELLA!!!! My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 100 ft high and performs= well but for some this might be difficult, therefore use what you can get o= n your property and let the far end tilt down if necessary. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep=20= it simple. mal/g3kev This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards will reduce the effective height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the effective height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far preferable to an inverted-L in a single mast situation because a large amount of capacitance to ground can be achieved without much reduction of effective height. Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Keep well away from wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is power lost. Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/= 09 16:14:00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09= 16:14:00 ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C9D311.4354B760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

Andy Talbot

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:16 PM=

Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz=20 Portable

A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to become= a=20 loop with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather than=20= a=20 vertical.   ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tenth=20= of a=20 wavelength cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered in=20= its=20 entirety. Such is obvious even before resorting to modelling. =20= Mike=20 was referring to electrically short antennas where the downward sloping pa= rt=20 simply opposes the current flow in the upward path.

A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too=20 noticeable in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could do=20= more=20 good than its slope undoes.

Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude=20 and treating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as=20 second-class radio-ams, you stop and read the exam question.

I QUOTE from emails sent on the reflector= by the=20 man himself, but forgot to mention the TOOTHBRUSH=20 INSULATORS.

If one is serious about LF/MFantennas and= putting=20 out a respectable signal then perhaps some hectares would be an=20 advantage.

Now is the time to buy.

G3KEV

Andy G4JNTwobbleU=20 cubed .g4jnt.kom

2009/5/12 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net><= BR>
You=20 are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and especially= =20 antennas.
I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with=20= the=20 far end just above ground , and in normal CW mode.
Some time ago it w= as=20 Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil formers, thought an AR88= D=20 was a diversity fly catcher.
What is coming next? The diversity= =20 UMBRELLA!!!!
My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 100 ft h= igh=20 and performs well but for some this might be difficult, therefore use wh= at=20 you can get on your property and let the far end tilt down if=20 necessary.
G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike=20 Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12,=20 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable

You=20 do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna.
The so called=20 horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied
to a bush=20= or=20 tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far
away as=20 possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep=20 it
simple. mal/g3kev

This is quite wrong. Any= slope=20 downwards will reduce the effective
height of a Marconi. Since ERP=20= is a=20 function of the square of the
effective height this is extremely=20 important. An umbrella is far
preferable to an inverted-L in a sing= le=20 mast situation because a
large amount of capacitance to ground can=20= be=20 achieved without much
reduction of effective height.

Based o= n my=20 experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my
advice is to=20= make=20 very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are
very well insulated= as=20 they carry large voltages. Keep well away from
wet trees. This is n= ot=20 just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is
power lost.

Mike,= =20 G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C9D311.4354B760-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (rly-mc05.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.89]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC011-d764a19836e16b; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:27:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC056-d764a19836e16b; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:27:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8HTE-00006P-0M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:26:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8HTD-00006G-KT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:26:47 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8HTA-0000wc-D1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:26:46 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhoFAAcgGUpZ8+0p/2dsb2JhbACCJiyCAodCBsNNhAsF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.243.237.41]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 18:26:39 +0100 Message-ID: <008801c9dc94$cc1616c0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00a701c9dbd2$2ac18330$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:26:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01C9DC9D.2CFCA1E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C9DC9D.2CFCA1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nothing seen from Poland all nite. Turn the wick up=20 g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: LF: LF Checking 137.7 kcs area for acty g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2129 - Release Date: 05/22/09= 17:56:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C9DC9D.2CFCA1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nothing seen from Poland all=20 nite.

Turn the wick up

g3kev

----- Original Message -----

mal= =20 hamilton

To: rsgb

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:13=20 PM

Subject: LF: LF

Checking 137.7 kcs area for acty
g3kev

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------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C9DC9D.2CFCA1E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC051-d664a21729063; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:53:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC036-d664a21729063; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:53:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MASjJ-0002ob-GS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:52:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MASjI-0002oS-Ua for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:52:24 +0100 Received: from smtp101.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.85.211]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MASjI-0001VC-Gn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:52:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 51803 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 17:52:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=cEyv3T0uA2PT/oehYZzYbS8KqazaeLXpdy/N2+4YxqKimGh30mzGzM2QXvFeN+eGfw4gEk+5h3p2ZJuPW9myHiuW3mqHhEJYHzEswEG8jC21mBgHe9i6eThZK9wp29u4oJiv1hORUhzl3CMnbjAY37wwG/m/nIMMuWd3z5LYIM0= ; Received: from host81-135-89-79.range81-135.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@81.135.89.79 with login) by smtp101.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 10:52:16 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: Jxan71gVM1lWvpmAtrULYq2aLCKLjG8yCRO.beZlE96zaSde1Wv240pa4iovzw0vhgE4BU6K8QGKNATiW4MtpAL.s.auEqkqebgpvCHmFD3BjRie9VzI7iWTVH8QfFV_rXEMDWRSmse8i0IuvPheW7AMTfmzTbzaCOfH17uAefhrriN5dJNtNQEVUx88A0bnso0F7klrKcJCz6BofgO8PxRhqECHooilT1vXX5A8ShNtcTgyX2f_0_tukvBCNf6igv8Z9coavdDL9sMs2jxP_h1LG4f7xny0KEPqXCZlYN8FIpC3uaHo9obd9Xp8JaC6mmOXkPPyj8RfavGhSzu5_f82_zcc2RpalZPAAiU- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <2ABAE8E892AB4A2BA2CE2207F098758C@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:52:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: Information Crystals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9E157.BEE91340" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9E157.BEE91340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Laurie Try Vincent at IQ Electronic Design Tel: 020 83910545, email vincent@jakomi= n.fsnet.co.uk I have had very good results from Vincent in the past. 73 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: LF: Information Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? Any ideas thanks Laurie G3AQC ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9E157.BEE91340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Laurie

Try Vincent at IQ Electronic Design Tel: 02= 0=20 83910545, email vince= nt@jakomin.fsnet.co.uk  =20 I have had very good results from Vincent in the past.

73

Ken    M0KHW

----- Original Message -----

lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:41=20 AM

Subject: LF: Information

Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies thes= e=20 days?
I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to=20 China!!!
Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ?
= Any=20 ideas thanks
Laurie G3AQC
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9E157.BEE91340-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (rly-mg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.109]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG062-a004a10bd4d32f; Sun, 17 May 2009 21:44:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG032-a004a10bd4d32f; Sun, 17 May 2009 21:43:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5rsC-0006YT-Mc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 02:42:36 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5rsC-0006YK-5t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 02:42:36 +0100 Received: from mcgi48.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5rs9-0001QI-T5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 02:42:36 +0100 Received: from mcgi48.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi48.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03B21144D for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 05:42:27 +0400 (MSD) Received: from [81.195.27.131] by mcgi48.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Mon, 18 May 2009 05:42:21 +0400 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 05:42:21 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <894006656.1242610941.162086848.22169@mcgi48.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LF! RN3AGC use a RX3AKT DDS-syntezer. http://rx3akt.narod.ru/dds_akt.html http://rx3akt.narod.ru/dds_vid.html This is russian origin. RX3AKT did't make english version, there is no=20 reason to do it b4 today. Sergey RX3AKT spoken english well, email him: sa_rx3akt@mtu-net.ru Band pass: 0 Hz-150Mhz DDS: AD9952-YSV Controller: ATMEGA8515-16AI Indicator: =CC=D2-16S2H v.3 Voltage: +13,8 V +/- 35% Current: 150 mA Peak amplitude sinus output: 250mV Peak amplitude square pulse: 1.8V Minimal freq pitch: 10Hz (RN3AGC div 13.777 MHz by 100 for 0.01 Hz step) RX RIT: +/- 9,99 KHz 15 Programmable VFO's The IF band pass: +/- 999 999 999 Hz (IF is program via user menu) IF minimal pitch: 1 Hz 5 methods to control. COM port 1200 bod, TTL. Sale a finished construction. * Graham [Tue, 12 May 2009 22:25:17 +0100]: > > Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a=20 kit > , > better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working > even better ! > > Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to > enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device > > Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master > oscillator for tx > > Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) > > Tnx- Graham . -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME061-9c64a2117131ea; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:23:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME072-9c64a2117131ea; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:23:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMdw-0000VC-K4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:22:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMdw-0000V3-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:22:28 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAMdu-0008ES-Ft for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:22:28 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3508.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 07ADD7000082 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:22:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.12.33]) by mwinf3508.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id BE6CA7000081 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:22:16 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090530112216780.BE6CA7000081@mwinf3508.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <821CAE3F348E4BF08B571D1E31C796B2@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:22:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C9E121.44AE6520" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C9E121.44AE6520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Laurie, Unless you need the xtal for a direct replacement .. check out the DDS =20= vfo's the price is close to a special order xtal and can be set to any= frequency,=20 G .. =20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:41 AM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: Information Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? Any ideas thanks Laurie G3AQC ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.45/2141 - Release Date: 05/29/09 0= 6:28:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C9E121.44AE6520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Laurie,

Unless you need the xtal =20= for a=20 direct replacement .. check out the DDS vfo's the pr= ice=20 is close to a special order xtal and can be set to a= ny=20 frequency,

G ..

From: lawrence mayhea= d

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:41 AM

To: rsgb

Subject: LF: Information

Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these=20 days?
I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to=20 China!!!
Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ?
An= y=20 ideas thanks
Laurie G3AQC

No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C9E121.44AE6520-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB101-ab74a0897cf22b; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:25:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB035-ab74a0897cf22b; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:25:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3czf-0006RX-I6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:25:03 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3czf-0006RO-6G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:25:03 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr01.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.179]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3czd-0006X2-Rc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:25:03 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr01.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id DKR93038; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:24:56 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0897AD.4070301@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:25:01 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> In-Reply-To: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr01.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.4A0897A8.0132,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gus wrote: > */Dear LF group,/* > *//* > */I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB./* > */Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include..../* > */Reports are wellcome./* > *//* > */73 de Gus SM6BHZ/* Very high QRN levels here tonight on 500kHz Gus. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF074-96d4a04aaa3182; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:57:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF073-96d4a04aaa3182; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:56:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Y3Q-0007m7-UQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:56:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Y3Q-0007ly-IX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <016101c61d02$12ceca40$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <43CFCE5D.5000504@usa.net> <20060119232216.u1kyilxv57r4scgg@webmail.versatel.de> <43D0258B.2000601@usa.net> <43D027B8.1000300@usa.net> <43E7DF30.2060108@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <43E7DF30.2060108@usa.net> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=0.627,HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_02=0.192,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Mini Whip and local noise Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------000608010004060507030402" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08, HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------000608010004060507030402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alberto di Bene wrote:
I have simulated the mini whip with PSpice, and the results are quite good.
In the schematic below, the V3 source and the 10pF capacitor simulate
the whip itself. Total current from the power supply is abt 50mA, of which
38 flow in the 2N5109 and 12 in the J310.

The Bode plot shows the frequency response of the output referred to
the V3 source signal. The vertical scale are dB. The second Bode plot is
just the LF section expanded.

I have one almost built and in the next days it will find its way toward
a chimney on my roof...

73 Alberto I2PHD

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[172.20.83.116]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG061-a3d4a1fd1f2311; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:16:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG107-a3d4a1fd1f2311; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:15:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MA0z2-0004jP-TX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:14:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MA0z2-0004jG-Bj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:14:48 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MA0yz-0007A4-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:14:47 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CCF7B8046 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:14:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120FDF3862 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:14:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:14:38 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090529121437.120FDF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: modeling a loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear all, confronted with the seasonal rise of the loss resistance of my 500kHz antenna (from 35 Ohm in winter to 80 Ohm in summer) I would eventually consider to try a loop antenna. Dimensions of the loop would be limited to "closing" the existing lazy L-antenna that is 11m high and 22m long. One of the reasons for considering a loop is the fact that the radiation resistance of a loop raises with the 4th power of the frequency (for a Marconi antenna this is only 2nd power). So, comparing 502kHz to 137kHz, in theory the radiation resistance of a vertical improves by a factor of 13 (11dB). For a loop it is a factor of 180 (22.5dB). When I model a 11m high and 22m long lazy-L antenna (using MMANA-GAL) the modeling result seem to agree with theory: 0.027 Ohm at 137kHz and 0.359 Ohm at 502kHz. But when I model a 10.5m high and 22m long loop, 0.5m above ground: - 0.0013 Ohm at 137kHz and 0.033 Ohm at 502kHz, a ratio of only 25 instead of the expected 180 - very different from the theoretical values: 0.00007 Ohm at 137kHz and 0.013 Ohm at 502kHz - modeling in free space at 502kHz confirms the theoretical 0.013 Ohm, but at 137kHz even in free space it is 0.0012 Ohm. If the claim that loop losses are not affected by the ground I would expect that the radiation resistance is not affected either. I guess MMANA-GAL is not suited for modeling very small loops, is there other software that can scope with this ? 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Subject: Re: Fw:Re: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) dave wrote: > > I also heard G3GNR very strongly calling G8BKE at 2140 utc on Tuesday > 5 May, but I don't know his QTH. > > QRZ says Exmouth. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (rly-mb06.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.164]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB083-d0e4a15147225d; Thu, 21 May 2009 04:44:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB062-d0e4a15147225d; Thu, 21 May 2009 04:44:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M73sK-0006df-VY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 09:43:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M73sK-0006dW-Gs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 09:43:40 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M73sH-0006Ul-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 09:43:39 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 May 2009 08:43:32 -0000 Received: from p54854CB0.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.2.2]) [84.133.76.176] by mail.gmx.net (mp060) with SMTP; 21 May 2009 10:43:32 +0200 X-Authenticated: #38158605 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18lQJY1o6AlYD7PG+IkuWqBd1CeIgjzs9eEWxpEM6 x0swhLD2DpyLQd Message-ID: <4A151431.8020909@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:43:29 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.00 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XES and XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) A capture can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm -- 73 Hartmut www.h-wolff.de Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD021-92f4a01e587244; Wed, 06 May 2009 15:31:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD107-92f4a01e587244; Wed, 06 May 2009 15:31:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1moe-0007Ez-SD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 20:30:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1moe-0007Eq-Fu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 20:30:04 +0100 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1mob-0005ll-5W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 20:30:03 +0100 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so166077ywk.64 for ; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:29:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m207.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal, You couldn't be more wrong!!! I have been running a Decca in QRSS 60 for several years now at full power + often overnight and occasionally for days at time with ZERO transmitter failures. The Decca runs cool at 1.4 - 1.5 kW DC input. Perhaps you are not allowing for sufficient air circulation through the heat sinks. My Decca is in a rack with plenty of clearance above and below for the air to circulate. I don't think that it's a good idea to run the Decca sitting on a table as I've seen done in some shack pictures. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > The old decca Jeep 5501 cannot strand LMCW 120, 240 or dfcw for long, 3 or > 10 sec dot or normal cw is about their limit on full power. > I have 2 units (6 modules) but prefer my home brew with robust FETS on 137 > Khz. > I likewise have a h/brew fet pa for 500=A0Khz class E and it is=A0virtuall= y > indestructable when correctly adjusted using a scope. > > G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF042-5394a09d5f7b; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:03:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF032-5394a09d5f7b; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:03:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3yB0-0005lx-CD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:02:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3yB0-0005lo-19 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:02:10 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3yAx-00041K-OA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:02:09 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvoFAFtyCUpOlGsM/2dsb2JhbACCKCuBfYRbgmMGwhyEAgU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.107.12]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 21:02:02 +0100 Message-ID: <011301c9d33c$83feeb70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:02:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332 Subject: LF: LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0110_01C9D344.E59146F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C9D344.E59146F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TX fired up and ready on 137.7 but so far nil observed.=20 G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C9D344.E59146F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
TX fired up and ready on 137.7 but so far n= il=20 observed.

G3KEV

------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C9D344.E59146F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD052-b764a1fa3781bb; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:57:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD048-b764a1fa3781bb; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:57:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9xsp-000499-Lu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:56:11 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9xsp-000490-6W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:56:11 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9xsm-0000gq-FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:56:11 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgoFADtAH0pOkIPp/2dsb2JhbACEWcofgjmBUwU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.131.233]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 09:56:01 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c9e03b$4ab72a60$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003201c9df81$e9e4c8f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905280624k3bd34499he4b67d5af33bae52@mail.gmail.com> <004d01c9dfa8$f0ac6720$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905281140o142123fet2f380a6bee784245@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:56:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332 Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Is there a B17 about? mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF Mal, There is only ONE B-29 that is still considered airworthy (out of nearly 4,000 B-29's built). The one airworthy B-29 "Fifi" is in need of an engine overhaul. http://www.cavanaughflightmuseum.com/B-29_B-24_Press_Release_1-21-08 I have seen the Enola Gay at the Air and Space Museum's Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center at Dulles Airport outside of Washington, D.C. http://collections.nasm.si.edu/code/emuseum.asp?profile=objects&newstyle=single&quicksearch=A19500100000 I have a photo of the Enola Gay signed by Col. Tibbets as well. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:28 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > Interesting info Warren. > All of my old Airforce equipment RAF and USAF is in very good condx.and I > know how to use it. > All I need is a B29 to check it out AIR to GROUND. > Mal/G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF > > >> The BC-306 tuning is a good one too. Inside it is a tapped coil + >> variometer, maximum inductance about 1.2 mH. >> >> http://www.questmasters.us/B-24_Page_3.html >> http://eshop1.chem.buffalo.edu/600-Meter-TX.html >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> WD2XGJ >> WD2XSH/23 >> WE2XEB/2 >> WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 6:47 AM, mal hamilton >> wrote: >>> >>> Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 called MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER >>> AIRCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with 200 feet trailing >>> wire >>> antenna. >>> Contains variometer, switches and vac relay. >>> I have a nice specimen at my QTH. >>> Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching. >>> Maybe someone has used one in a B29 >>> >>> G3KEV >>> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/27/09 > 18:21:00 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/27/09 18:21:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF091-9894a0dd4202b5; Fri, 15 May 2009 16:44:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF107-9894a0dd4202b5; Fri, 15 May 2009 16:44:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M54Fh-0000Wp-LB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 21:43:33 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M54Fh-0000Wg-5b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 21:43:33 +0100 Received: from smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.69]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M54Ff-0004qS-Kf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 21:43:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 13720 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 20:43:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=QAxkvQmvIOme8Fd0nfNuAe3HTImOPUmpnW/TnAfZ5Oa4360nXM+771iNJoS1fv4P6r4WEQ4jH3LxgPGdp8ApB3MPdjEDkRQugC9dixWVm2uN9KMs9rQW0c7P9NYodcP/LE3jw+vVJjABzRryiM3t9jZP1hERA4C5hHZjzBXrI5w= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.107.129 with login) by smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 20:43:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: y5XdA9sVM1k_m.34YA4eVqqeN1ioBGXd9N6_wUqcPKs1b7pZZk25mPQlQ0BLZEObiZoBdCwPE_clvAua9EKCp0NiQiZnhDVOA_PZ1TH2moF6TfpyWH_Z2cZHpjW7iQq.76tp.5DNsdnW6GQsTF_WVj4g3XkmMT38F.Mxb2K2LccEAbfODiIEaEIBH8QPtTtpgjiOiwDYKOTDJV2hL.kAAdueth.rRyGzCsLnEKulLAX4bjajChCVgLY7O6VK3NPVtyLHdzkAaxHEKi.pPoZzcO1pp7_Z6Drqb4XVzmcERULkEFR_8GM- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <1480030A5B654A3A8EE3495DD38FAC45@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 21:43:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: WSPR beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, I intend to run the WSPR beacon again on 502.4kHz "dial frequency", 503.9kHz+/- RF out, from about 2100utc this evening. Any reports will be very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF033-9494a08a436370; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:18:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF027-9494a08a436370; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:18:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dom-0007Mn-CC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dol-0007Me-TN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:51 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3doi-0001DB-S0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:51 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B728E1C00084 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 00:17:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.77.94]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 705821C00081 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 00:17:31 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090511221731460.705821C00081@mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6DFB90B9503543FE82910DFB79E4DB97@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> <6D1C191EA94A411EBE76070137DF884E@AGB> <70D21345D07D4133A2ADFD6BD3CB3CC3@radiorummet> In-Reply-To: <70D21345D07D4133A2ADFD6BD3CB3CC3@radiorummet> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011E_01C9D28E.A2203AE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_011E_01C9D28E.A2203AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Gus for the qsl card ... very good hihi=20 Ae no , not tuned, just running the 38 ft vertical, lower end 6 ft above= ground insulated , end fed to the ft897-d via about 90 feet of rg213 coax , the=20= ft897 seems to work quite well on 500=20 lot of static but copy is fine at this location=20 73 - Graham .=20 From: Gus=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:57 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Graham, FB report, thank's info! Are your antenna tuned to qrg ? Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:51 PM Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Gus, Good signal , 5/9 & 599 , just on the 38 ft vertical and the ft897-d no= atu=20 73 Graham G0NBD IO83LK From: Gus=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09= 07:02:00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 0= 7:02:00 ------=_NextPart_000_011E_01C9D28E.A2203AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx Gus for the qsl card ... very goo= d hihi=20

Ae   no , not tuned, just r= unning=20 the 38 ft vertical, lower end 6 ft above ground

insulated , end fed to the ft897-d via about 90 feet of rg213 co= ax ,=20 the ft897

seems to work quite well on 500= =20

lot of static but copy is fine=20= at this=20 location

73 - Graham .

From: Gus

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:57 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon

Graham,

FB report, thank's=20 info!

Are your antenna tuned to qrg=20 ?

Gus

----- Original Message -----

Graham

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:51 PM=

Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon

Gus,

Good signal , 5/9 & 599   ,= just on=20 the 38 ft vertical and the ft897-d no atu

73 Graham

G0NBD

IO83LK

From: Gus

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5=20= kHz=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW= id=20 include....

Reports are wellcome.=

73 de Gus SM6BHZ

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.287 / Viru= s=20 Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 07:02:00

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------=_NextPart_000_011E_01C9D28E.A2203AE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de06.mx.aol.com (rly-de06.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.142]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE064-4e24a0203fa29e; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:41:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE065-4e24a0203fa29e; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:41:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1oqb-00007b-GK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:40:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1oqb-00007S-1W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:40:13 +0100 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1oqY-0006TV-Lt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:40:12 +0100 Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.120.26]) by lazir.toya.net.pl (TOYAnet MailServer) with ESMTP id 37BCD8C1C8 for ; 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF Group, a new release of wspr software ( v1.12) is available to download from wsjt home pages now you can type in the LF/MF frequencies without problems which were present in the 1.11 version 73 de peter, sq7mpj qth: lodz /jo91rs/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db09.mx.aol.com (rly-db09.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.84]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB073-ae44a1c4f94375; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:23:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB092-ae44a1c4f94375; 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Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2009 20:22:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SS235H8VM1miFD0Iw67gpvhoKTndumrIjFxvQ8dAF2p1eT8xO_NARwY2izeGgtig8ktP6kfU4dqcSa7mF.nNgh1r6HXkhn1dxtTs8UKMJ9irHFVi1wZen5kh7GWwrJl9JVmSJXjsjnV.47kSgFdfL9TtFe95kSjxe4EaSJZZcLlxAP6TEvb4cnjUODdt3cJTUN2FOWGZwZSSIbXo9qghP6eW X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <40A8C7C3E5D74E4B9462C7F7FB696203@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A199D1F.7070201@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A199D1F.7070201@btconnect.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:22:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Modelling aerials Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Richard, LF Group, > I am trying to model various aerial configurations for 500kHz using NEC. I > have set the antenna 0.5m above ground as NEC2 does not like radials on > the ground. I have used "real ground". Has anyone compared the calculated > Source impedances to real-world measurements at 500kHz? The conclusion I came to was that the elevated radials do not model the ground system very realistically. Also, the real antenna resistance can vary a lot with differnet kinds of environment. The disclaimer might go "any resemblance to real figures is purely coincidental"! NEC is a good way of working out the antenna capacitance and radiation resistance, though, using lossless wires and "perfect" ground. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG102-9fc4a0941cc1fe; Tue, 12 May 2009 05:30:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG026-9fc4a0941cc1fe; Tue, 12 May 2009 05:30:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3oJ3-00021u-On for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 10:29:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3oJ3-00021l-Cg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 10:29:49 +0100 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3oJ2-0001j0-Li for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 10:29:49 +0100 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090512092931.NHOF25388.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 10:29:31 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.113]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090512092931.TEKL13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 10:29:31 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:29:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A094F88.31094.2E46CD4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com>, <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=Iltcrspv_rvdMazORPQA:9 a=_7RtP6QNr2sxQ_eYtUUA:7 a=wxcR72MS69U4JEhROAw8-MC1-soA:4 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. > The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied > to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far > away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it > simple. mal/g3kev This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards will reduce the effective height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the effective height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far preferable to an inverted-L in a single mast situation because a large amount of capacitance to ground can be achieved without much reduction of effective height. Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Keep well away from wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is power lost. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG043-59f4a2111f939e; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:01:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG014-59f4a2111f939e; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:01:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMIv-0008MB-FE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:00:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMIv-0008M2-4E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:00:45 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAMIr-0005Pd-Su for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:00:44 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 06B647000084 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:00:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (unknown [91.105.24.35]) by mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5EFF37000082 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:00:33 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090530110033389.5EFF37000082@mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <78BbO0DuGRIKFwGe@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:59:58 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: David Pratt References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-M (<7Pb2jGszPc+SWUxWeRDfFt4k1E>) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Information Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) In a recent message, lawrence mayhead wrote ... >Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? >I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! I have always had good service from Quartslab, Laurie. They use to advertise in RadCom but they still have a website at http://www.quartslab.com/ Prices and service is very reasonable and they do serve the individual radio amateur. 73 David -- David G4DMP/G3KEP Leeds, UK ------ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC052-b3d4a20732526d; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:43:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC091-b3d4a20732526d; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:43:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MABim-0006kr-I6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:42:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MABim-0006ki-5z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:42:44 +0100 Received: from mta21.charter.net ([216.33.127.81]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MABij-0002lr-5v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:42:43 +0100 Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.10]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090529234229.ZKYO3344.mta21.charter.net@imp10> for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:42:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.189.74.84]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id xbiU1b00V1p78xe05biUen; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:42:29 -0400 Message-ID: <4A2072E4.40800@charter.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:42:28 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20090529121437.120FDF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <846AFC8AED804851AE6CA1E83B356E9F@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <846AFC8AED804851AE6CA1E83B356E9F@JimPC> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: modeling a loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jim, Here is a little hard data which may be of some use. The antenna still exists in somewhat distorted form due to an ice storm last winter. Conductor height: 23 Meters Horizontal length: 51 Meters Perimeter approx. 147 Meters Conductor: Single 5.7 mm dia. stranded copper, plus plastic insulation. Lower conductor clearance above ground: 3 Meters, average. The ground here is made up of glacial droppings -- lots of rocks and boulders, with gravel and sand. Typical conductivity would be 1 mS/M. RF bridge measured impedances at 137 kHz showed a fairly constant +j213 Ohms reactance over a wide temperature range. Resistance varied from 1.7 Ohms in winter to 2.05 Ohms in summer, representing a temperature range from -4C to 23C. The impedances at 508 kHz were considerably higher, with about +j1100 Ohms reactance year-round, and a winter to summer resistance range of 52 to 62 Ohms. The perimeter of the loop is close to a quarter wave at this frequency, and the feed point is near the center of the baseline, if that's of any help. At 137 kHz, a number of far-field (>5 km) measurements in the pattern maxima showed about 1 watt ERP (not EIRP) for 400 watts into the antenna. No measurements were taken at 500 kHz, and the unfortunate events of last winter would prevent any direct comparison. Hope this might be of some help in the discussion. John, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-5384a170b71383; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:31:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF031-5384a170b71383; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:30:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7bNU-0001RW-Is for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:30:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7bNU-0001RN-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:30:04 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr01.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.119]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7bNM-0000tZ-SX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:30:04 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2bthomr01.btconnect.com with ESMTP id LHV72039; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:29:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A170B41.4090800@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:29:53 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr01.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0201.4A170B3F.00FD,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500kHz update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all I have been making some progress towards 500kHz portable. Tonight I made a 500kHz preamp which has a very lightly coupled preselector. It was quite a challenge getting this resonant with a 50pF trimmer and padding capacitors (and no proper test gear). However, it now works and the S meter is reading for the first time ever on 500kHz. If I can get it all boxed up and it is dry I may have a first foray out portable tomorrow with an inverted L. I have order 200m of 3mm bungee cord and 200m of 3.2 mm nylon braid in preparation for kite ops. That will have to wait until another day. I will post here before I go. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC082-b434a0b3f3a20e; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:44:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC097-b434a0b3f3a20e; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:44:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4MF0-0007nN-Io for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:43:54 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4MF0-0007nE-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:43:54 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4MEy-0000LR-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:43:54 +0100 thread-index: AcnUE9hA11hktx+oSmG4oUcx8bMB1w== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:43:25 +0100 Message-ID: <1582396BAA6345DA9AA170F40E237C30@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:43:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Marco, thanks report and info! 73 de Gus SM6BHZ www.sm6bhz.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scholz, Marco " To: Hello Gus, > your CW is ufb RST 529, SSB weaker RST 41. > Happy to catch your SSB transmission. > > Thanks to Gerhard, DK6NI for informing me directly. > > Good night > Vy73 > Marco > DD7PC > > > ----- Originalnachricht ----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Gesendet: Wed May 13 22:16:26 2009 > Betreff: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB > > > Hello Gus, > > Also solid copy (56) in JN59LN > > Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > ====================== > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2009 23:05 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB > > Rik, > > thank's report. > > 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM > Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB > > >> Gus, >> >> solid 57 signal here tonight >> >> 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T >> >> > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (rly-mg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.109]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG104-a0249ff548c176; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:48:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG034-a0249ff548c176; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:48:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M154Z-00077C-Bc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M154Y-000773-WC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:34 +0100 Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de ([217.72.192.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M154W-0003a9-OX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:34 +0100 Received: from smtp07.web.de (fmsmtp07.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.215]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB101014A509 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:46:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [217.227.80.254] (helo=mo76) by smtp07.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.110 #277) id 1M153w-00025t-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:46:56 +0200 Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:46:55 +0200 From: Michael Oexner X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.12.00) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <629879748.20090504224655@web.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: michael.oexner@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+IueVFEYoxswU6Ny8kKZACyZne2f+F7wW7BQV+ /WkFgnqAuy9ezLbh4MbuLpBRpopeTmnWPdiPQBWrMAPOg2vOKe c0uQKvcdXbIwYqxZ+6+Q== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik & list, > dear all, > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at > 21UTC Reports and/or reply welcome. What would be a suitable program to decode this transmission? Baud rate 45 Bd? -- vy 73 + gd DX, Michael From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME051-9ba49fab6ce2d4; Fri, 01 May 2009 04:46:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME056-9ba49fab6ce2d4; Fri, 01 May 2009 04:46:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LzoMv-000370-81 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 09:45:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LzoMu-00036r-TM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 09:45:16 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s9.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LzoMt-00034N-HA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 09:45:16 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W33 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s9.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 1 May 2009 01:45:09 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [117.12.236.125] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 00:45:09 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <168DE12B719E45A19F8CF003F78B17DB@Silver> References: <168DE12B719E45A19F8CF003F78B17DB@Silver> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2009 08:45:09.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[2239A6C0:01C9CA39] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4953d924-c456-4724-9b29-1822915c5f73_" Subject: RE: LF: CFH on again X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_4953d924-c456-4724-9b29-1822915c5f73_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool a West coast target! Thats been awhile.... =20 Laurence By3A- kl1x rainy China From: markusvester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 07:34:53 +0000 Subject: LF: CFH on again Looks like the Canadians are dusting off their 137 kHz transmitter. =20 73 de Markus, DF6NM =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail=AE: Get e-mail storage that grows with you.=20 http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_S= torage2_042009=3D --_4953d924-c456-4724-9b29-1822915c5f73_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool a West coast target! Thats been awhile....

Laurence
By3A- kl1x rainy China

From: markusvester@aol.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Fri,= 1 May 2009 07:34:53 +0000
Subject: LF: CFH on again

Looks like the Canadians are dusting off th= eir 137 kHz transmitter.

73 de Markus, DF6NM

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Check it out.= =3D --_4953d924-c456-4724-9b29-1822915c5f73_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD033-92f49fe026d3e7; Sun, 03 May 2009 16:45:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD107-92f49fe026d3e7; Sun, 03 May 2009 16:45:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0iYJ-0004Xb-26 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 21:44:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0iYI-0004XS-MD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 21:44:46 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0iYG-0007eG-RO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 21:44:46 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DE97B8047 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:44:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F029131E702 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:44:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6F2FD5CAD; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:44:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 60.181-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (60.181-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.181.60]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 03 May 2009 22:44:35 +0200 Message-ID: <20090503224435.g501r41tl6tcw484@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 22:44:35 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002201c9bc24$6c33fa00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><27CD374833AB46EBA48AF59F6CC2BEF3@DR2><006901c9bc4c$6e72e650$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20090413221651.jucoh8ac9ogg84g0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <3AFA1B7B9D1240C5AD141ECA52E8A9D2@2a2d7ed321c6425> In-Reply-To: <3AFA1B7B9D1240C5AD141ECA52E8A9D2@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.181.60 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: CQ_Test from OR7T Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gerhard, LF, thanks for the report. I just finished a transverter + linear PA and it was one of the first =20 on-air tests. Transverter: 4.5MHz to 500kHz with 4MHz xtal osc + SBL1 mixer + buffer =20 amp 50mW out PA: modified 3-30MHz PA, just changed the input and output transformers. Output is about 100W (1.5A antenna current) Power is about 4dB down on the other (class D) PA, but modifying an =20 existing PA was the fast option. I hope to run some first digital tests (PSK, WSPR, RTTY ...) during =20 the next weeks. Maybe I'll try to build a "big" 500kHz linear PA (> 300W) in summer. Building a 500kHz modified version of the G3YXM linear PA for 160-40m =20 (http://wireless.org.uk/throb.htm) looks tempting, anyone tried this =20 already ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > > Hello Rik, LF > > > > heard your Test_Call (OR7T) on 502,7 KHz in Regular CW-Mode with 559 > > in JN59LN. > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG031-a184a199d40217; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:17:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG062-a184a199d40217; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:17:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JBl-0000yk-5X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:16:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8JBk-0000yb-QT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:16:52 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.127]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8JBh-0001ar-DO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:16:51 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2bthomr09.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DJT01238; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:16:44 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A199D1F.7070201@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:16:47 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0208.4A199D1C.016F,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Modelling aerials Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear MFers I am trying to model various aerial configurations for 500kHz using NEC. I have set the antenna 0.5m above ground as NEC2 does not like radials on the ground. I have used "real ground". Has anyone compared the calculated Source impedances to real-world measurements at 500kHz? I am trying to understand the likely range of impedances that I need to match over and hence the ATU types I need to employ and the components needed. Any modelling tips will be welcome. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF051-55a4a07dda1236; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:11:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF065-55a4a07dda1236; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:11:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Qad-0004BG-MD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:10:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Qad-0004B7-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:10:23 +0100 Received: from psmtp13.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.25]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3Qab-0003ox-Jg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:10:23 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp13.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KJH008VF0118Y@psmtp13.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 10:10:13 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:10:16 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <24A4F797878B46638E6CBE90171EB311@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: capture who.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_14cvq+bDkmet+5s8qeZWMg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_14cvq+bDkmet+5s8qeZWMg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_lO0ENvXtg/CD6apnoGN5Ew)" --Boundary_(ID_lO0ENvXtg/CD6apnoGN5Ew) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi,Lf capture who? henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: capture who.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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--Boundary_(ID_14cvq+bDkmet+5s8qeZWMg)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB074-ab64a0c5365307; Thu, 14 May 2009 13:23:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB034-ab64a0c5365307; Thu, 14 May 2009 13:22:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4ed4-000819-2C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:21:58 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4ed3-000810-Gv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:21:57 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.148]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4ecz-00018x-UR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:21:56 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so1090939qwj.16 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XtG/oIZZVQw6euOtbCm3MtfdGmHVmW0LB1TAHUr+iXA=; b=WijfI5vcFHu3N6mm6GSV4kb9OKahpa/BeGipyrgLqe0rMHw3fNAtIjTAswlkQdt7e/ Z42zcmWH4uIo9GoUSxxCuwBS2Lw7tMowqTVpiKwNizVBcNt3oQJdJBrlqAXNw7D4UHfq ecyH3TTiguXW+ql7G3YtcvlcQRuRN/32P0Udw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VGrvMNoCtcWPutKorH+sAQlSL0Ycs54ujOE5mjVJArT0smTwDQEDQ1ZXzX/LgVu1or oM3slSgyBHCqpNRbzbBgGZDRi6ZEUbpp2LgySg01la/7xv8tWHH/+GCP9UM5Z8OCRtFy O1JnIPs1kMyIug3JlcrbKNDeakqA0lb1EG/cA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.60.70 with SMTP id o6mr2960465qah.105.1242321652921; Thu, 14 May 2009 10:20:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905130629q408f0128yfe5356c77bbe084e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:20:52 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905141020q3b06a4baqe8f507e700db399f@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m218.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Graham, I bought a built version from pcs-electronics: http://www.pcs-electronics.com/ It came with a two-page instruction sheet in English. Unfortunately pcs-electronics no longer carrier the dds, I may have still have a copy but I'm not at home now. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Graham wrote: > Warren, > > The only =A0info I can find is in German .. =A0if this is the same device,= =A0did > you =A0have a english =A0handbook ? from the photo. it looks like the on s= creen > display is in english ? slight =A0problem if its not ! > > G .. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:29 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: AW: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? > >> >> Graham, Gerhard, >> >> =A0 This is EXACTLY the dds that I used and observed considerable >> temperature drift when operating QRSS 60 on 137 kHz. >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Beckmann, Gerhard >> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Graham, >>> >>> >>> >>> the DDS-Oscillator under this link may partial meet your requirements=20= =85 >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.box73.de/catalog/pdf/FA0407_694-695.pdf?osCsid=3D983aae56f383= b >>> >>> >>> >>> 73 de Gerhard / =A0DK6NI >>> >>> >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 23:25 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit=20= , >>> >>> better a part completed kit =A0would be =A0better ...second hand working >>> >>> even better ! >>> >>> >>> >>> Ideal would be a box with a frequency =A0display and a key pad to >>> >>> enter the =A0frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device >>> >>> >>> >>> Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master >>> >>> oscillator =A0for =A0tx >>> >>> >>> >>> Any =A0ideas or =A0links (any for =A0sale ?) >>> >>> >>> >>> Tnx- Graham . >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2110 - Release Date: 05/12/0= 9 >> 06:22:00 >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA032-8cf4a1ec5a3b3; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:11:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA101-8cf4a1ec5a3b3; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:11:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9j6n-00039c-6Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:09:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9j6m-00039T-Qt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:09:36 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9j6j-0000v3-87 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:09:35 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYEAM9hHkpOkDuN/2dsb2JhbACCUolXwxmEDQU Received: from unknown (HELO TraceyPC) ([78.144.59.141]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 18:09:27 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <005e01c9dfb1$f6b87920$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <005e01c9dfb1$f6b87920$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:08:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01DC_01C9DFBF.56435290" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_01DC_01C9DFBF.56435290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A quick Google search reveals that it was one of a trio of ATUs used on the=20= B29 etc The Mama Bear was the medium sized one, there was also a Papa and a Baby Bea= r ATU.=20 I'll leave you to guess their respective sizes. Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF B29 MAMA BEAR equipment, how did it get that name? I wonder. mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_01DC_01C9DFBF.56435290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A quick Google search reveals t= hat it=20 was one of a trio of ATUs used on the B29 etc

The Mama Bear was the medium si= zed one,=20 there was also a Papa and a Baby Bear ATU.

I'll leave you to guess their=20 respective sizes.

Tracey G5VU

----- Original Message -----

mal= =20 hamilton

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:32=20 PM

Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF

B29 MAMA BEAR equipment, how did it get that name? I wonder.

mal/g3kev

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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Beckmann, Gerhard wrote: > >Sri, I don't have installed a FM-Hell decoder; > > > Hello Gerhard, LF Group, Rick, ON7YD mentioned about Multipsk software allowing for RX/TX operation upon FM-Hell There is also another software ( which i prefer ) i.e Nino IZ8BLY Hellschreiber program which can be freely downloaded from his page: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/aporcino/Hell/index.htm it is entirely focused on hell modulation therefore being free from other 'bilions' of different digi techniques.... ;) 73 de peter, sq7mpj qth: lodz /jo91rs/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-af14a089bf858; 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Mon, 11 May 2009 23:42:37 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:42:48 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnSffEqQWBsN6jfSDucAcJXaUQ5ugAAuR9Q X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AW: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9D292.31FD1EA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9D292.31FD1EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Gus, Your CW-signal is coming in with 449 this evening in JN59LN; Your SSB-signal is only weak readable now, QRN is vy high.. Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI ================================================== _____ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2009 23:18 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9D292.31FD1EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Gus,

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Your CW-signal=20= is coming in with 449 this evening in JN59LN;

Your SSB-signal= is only weak readable now, QRN is vy high….

Vy 73 de Gerhar= d // DK6NI

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Von: o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 200= 9 23:18
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evenin= g on 505,5 kHz USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there i= s also a CW id include....

Reports are wellcome.

73 de Gus SM6BHZ<= /i>

------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9D292.31FD1EA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG032-5a24a08a7ed13; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:34:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG017-5a24a08a7ed13; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:34:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3e4F-0007pJ-Ke for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:33:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3e4F-0007pA-6N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:33:51 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3e4C-0001Ky-Al for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:33:50 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 720AE1C00086 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 00:33:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.77.94]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 258B71C00085 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 00:33:33 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090511223333153.258B71C00085@mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:33:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0157_01C9D290.DF9928D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0157_01C9D290.DF9928D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gus/Dave=20 Might be the Q and BW of the rf path causing a little rounding of the audio=20= spectrum , need to boost the lf and hf ..or attenuate the mid range ?=20 G .=20 From: Dave G3WCB=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Gus, Your SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of stat= ic crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compress= ion to boost your "talk power". My RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usual= 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high. I have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to you? 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org]On Behalf Of Gus Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 0= 7:02:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0157_01C9D290.DF9928D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gus/Dave

Might be the Q and BW of the rf path causin= g a=20 little rounding of the audio spectrum , need to boost the lf and hf ..= or=20 attenuate the mid range ?

G .

From: Dave G3WCB

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM

To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus,

Your=20 SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of static=20 crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compression= to=20 boost your "talk power".

My RX=20 is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usual=20 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high.

I have=20 saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to=20 you?

73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 Gus
Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF:=20 SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5=20= kHz=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW= id=20 include....

Reports are wellcome.=

73 de Gus=20 SM6BHZ

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release=20 Date: 05/10/09 07:02:00
------=_NextPart_000_0157_01C9D290.DF9928D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG061-a0f4a006bf3ea; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:40:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG051-a0f4a006bf3ea; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:40:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1NgM-0001rY-G3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:39:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1NgM-0001rP-5Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:39:50 +0100 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1NgJ-0007gW-1E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:39:49 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-19-222.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.19.222] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1M1NgE-000O1S-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:39:42 +0100 Message-ID: <4A006EFC.3010401@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 17:53:16 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88d2415e0905041311m2b3902d4m19e5460371c5ff88@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905041311m2b3902d4m19e5460371c5ff88@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Racal 5501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Laurie, I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the fault is clear - it just has blown power FETs. You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the two faulty ones I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the moment Regards Peter, G3LDO > > Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments > that I could buy? > One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to > about a third, > so far can't find the fault. > 73 Laurie G3AQC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB043-aac4a1566781bd; Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB022-aac4a1566781bd; Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M79LX-0007Q0-7t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:34:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M79LW-0007Pr-SZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:34:10 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.144]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M79LU-0008KE-Fi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:34:10 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so679153qwj.16 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:34:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yJ6TtQtk3KXEurys9VjHPmkPzMAMI8HXLcCw62Pyo0M=; b=jsY/f7687JeCVWTRCSxfXnHTOszIyQ6jE72n3itpIrXBOxHUgrBxpQRVPOXdl+E+ZZ zkfar2Eb/4uBFpr8wq5GeO4JM9jjSDUWSyPuIut1U1IvG2CvjCD0iVSMoEqLe4voTgmW r3z02SalwJzATZGdvQZdYBuIBRAggRoxsxkRM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PJGru/1Ttbn4027HRLXhfKY8K1LyQ2cheS73AvHWMoI+t2Teh49rC33maDeVxaO1m3 3f/NLGqpRfUJ4GrUSA78Z7kHCcIMFN1XD08T+1BR0myKV2hHUD5/2AXubTzmJ4aLWOGM Uq/BK/9vFeAhJa8UduzeEAmSPTAGSTD3XWSZM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.29.10 with SMTP id o10mr2657496qac.69.1242916448829; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:34:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:08 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905210734q70a7682cr7882ea129a2b9731@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m275.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Lubos, Thanks for the capture! On 5/21/09, Lubos OK2BVG wrote: > > Hello Warren, LF! > I saw XGJ signal this morning before sunrise in OK. FB! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > _________________________________________________________________ > Pou=BE=EDv=E1te Messenger? Pak tak=E9 pou=BE=EDv=E1te Windows Live. Chcete= v=ECd=ECt v=EDc? > http://www.microsoft.com/cze/windows/windowslive/ --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC061-b2b4a11c03616e; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:08:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC067-b2b4a11c03616e; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:08:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M697l-0001dq-7d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:07:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M697k-0001dh-Sv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:07:48 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M697i-00050I-Bu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:07:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 18934 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 20:07:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=XGXeKzgSyfTxUMzuerBe0g5sAQG9RXrcWOI8haMVj7q4hkpPYI63UQoEVDajyllEwF+cPQyWAC+vZsfpiCfWLDKIiq7WcPVavp2eh1g6qShcRFopkR8YdnXYtHXLN5qx/jG+Dtuqex8m+vgzIS3miLPrf7VLvDZXqQvvTIW50Bo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 20:07:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mkIJQLwVM1l200QZUHJqglkWjdhVxSUhp7gJMkN1eDIniuW83K6hTMOtku00NPfmPE_xtKoekDhv6vcXNpCQudwbFMHbPZT3QLSgLFwUgFI6Cz.bM4TEOwieewNk8x351B2uP0C6U389KG_9CpuAQ8Sfuf_bfppKa7Em8EseIjf7aFb0jSXM5osfgZR3SD75b7ynsG2OCWkfFNEZ3ghhZRlm5uMSv0O_swZhI5HlPaLS3NAfbKWjB.kmmPNKsvd_S_TbBXVcma4PO1JCT0irLFOpUsMk6coGde6Fyel4wW6tGFUEh900gLkpn79nOR561IL3fTFhIok4fxdtryVVl3XJYMlKYLLMnFLlwWOBCUnrfZ5.wGPhNwz2vArSwsk- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <3FD23EB5A3A246EFAEE824AC74BE6ABC@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:07:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Transverter Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > Any recommended transverter designs for LF? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI Dear Richard, LF Group, You can see what I am using if you go to http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/files and download the file EER_Transverter_v3.pdf. The basic transverter part provides receive and milliwatt-level transmit over 10kHz - 550kHz, and could be used with types of PA other than the EER modulator/class D designs described. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE014-4db4a132dc7370; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:08:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE058-4db4a132dc7370; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:08:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6XSx-0006lS-A8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:07:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6XSw-0006lJ-P0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:07:18 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f171.google.com ([209.85.218.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6XSt-00058g-9D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:07:18 +0100 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so105830bwz.4 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 15:07:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ek2sdLjHysjK74mj3NH39PIKMQ8k9ixKYPUM7Ok/xOM=; b=wcET4CldHrTFPPUu69+8Cx4EKj7galixzqXMEqavea2eRJlQR3o8QD/uwQysCJvQLZ WVS5mWJm0Ho3AwzTd7Ahn8lT+X1zuXDKj95Jg6kjOEjP8yIAArCykVMUuH86JfMblFi/ njsa80EqNhdVsz79e05Ed1t1mwz0ltBLZKpBQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=t23XXi1m8AYFarhMy8ia7raj2cHkv1s8mE+9m+lP9QNLJyQfSOveSha4JLGEe/+B9l eSHhwY7MZeAj7KmfH+2v+RrrmrpINYcD6sjcoEJCXwb5BmPctgHxKIyfrr9t9MQDwSWU M1ANb2ve7xTGxC7UPM/HYphehMPKg1RKV4zOo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.146 with SMTP id i18mr503575bkg.82.1242770828756; Tue, 19 May 2009 15:07:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090519232905.l4n0cl7o5vk0oogs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> <20090519232905.l4n0cl7o5vk0oogs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 23:07:08 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5abdfc9081c046a4b2143 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d275.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636c5abdfc9081c046a4b2143 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ansoft Designer came up with this solution. http://www.g4jnt.com/518kHz_BandStop.gif The component values aren't particulalrly nice, and there is almost certainly a nicer design with transformers to be found, but... Andy G4JNT 2009/5/19 Rik Strobbe > Gary, > > a simple series L-C notch works best when > - Q is high = you need a good coil (capacitor Q shouldn't be the problem) > - the output "sees" a high impedance (FET buffer) > - the source impedance is high compared to the loss resistance of the coil > (eventualy put a R of a few 100 Ohm in serie with the antenna) > But it will be a hard job to get a decent attenuation at 518 while passing > 501-506 without too much losses. > > An alternative would be a xtal filter as a passband filter for 501-506. > If you can find a number of 500kHz xtals and "polish" them up some kHz. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > > Hi LF, >> >> >> >> You may have seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at >> about >> 506KHz. The original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this >> grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz. >> >> >> >> I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel >> filter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly >> due >> to the bandwidth of the filter?? >> >> >> >> Is there some simple narrow notch filter which I could use to remove the >> offending signal. >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> >> >> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. >> >> >> >> >> > > > --001636c5abdfc9081c046a4b2143 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ansoft Designer came up with this solution.=A0

=A0

http://www.g4jnt.c= om/518kHz_BandStop.gif

=A0

The component values=A0aren't=A0particulalrly nice, and there is al= most certainly a nicer design with transformers to be found, but...

Andy =A0G4JNT

2009/5/19 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>= ;

Gary,

a simple series L-C n= otch works best when
- Q is high =3D you need a good coil (capacitor Q sh= ouldn't be the problem)
- the output "sees" a high impedance (FET buffer)
- the source=20= impedance is high compared to the loss resistance of the coil (eventualy put= a R of a few 100 Ohm in serie with the antenna)
But it will be a hard jo= b to get a decent attenuation at 518 while passing 501-506 without too much=20= losses.

An alternative would be a xtal filter as a passband filter for 501-506.<= br>If you can find a number of 500kHz xtals and "polish" them up s= ome kHz.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T=20

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

Hi LF,

You may have= seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at about
506KHz. T= he original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this
grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz.

I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel
f= ilter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly due<= br> to the bandwidth of the filter??

Is there some simple narrow=20= notch filter which I could use to remove the
offending signal.

73,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

--001636c5abdfc9081c046a4b2143-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB063-cf94a0af4763b0; Wed, 13 May 2009 12:25:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB035-cf94a0af4763b0; Wed, 13 May 2009 12:25:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4HFs-0004by-32 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:24:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4HFr-0004bp-Kn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:24:27 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4HFo-00042l-Ff for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:24:27 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr09.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CKS89652; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:23:03 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:23:04 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0202.4A0AF3E8.010A,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all I have a beacon running on 502.7kHz on standard CW. I would welcome reports as the evening progresses. I will be using it to try to engage some SOTA people in listening on the band so that I can do some experiments at a later date. If it causes anyone a problem please send me a private email. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-adc4a1daa752e2; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:03:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB082-adc4a1daa752e2; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:02:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9QFa-0000PF-Oe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:01:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9QFa-0000P6-9g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:01:26 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9QFU-0001hQ-W8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:01:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 15739 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2009 21:01:14 -0000 Received: from 85.178.103.129 by www057.gmx.net with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:01:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:01:11 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: <002c01c9df02$ed931da0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Message-ID: <20090527210111.259810@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002c01c9df02$ed931da0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18hmOtTIk4hZAQ20tVD6toca/umIr2XrproaJPHV2 +yByW+UzdYsq21449II+sjLa94pbhaUzOA8w== X-GMX-UID: WN98LhQEa0A7Jb+KSzEzwcs/Njh6dM4b X-FuHaFi: 0.53 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: LF: ssb , now somebody on 506 CW Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > Datum: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:38:48 +0100 > Von: "mal hamilton" > Betreff: LF: ssb > SM6BHZ 57 on USB 505 Khz at 1938 utc > G3KEV Thanks Mal! After reading this coming back home abt. 20:30Z, I quickly modified the RX-setup for 500khz. No SSB heard so far, but there is some weak but sometimes audible (RST 239) CW on 506kHz! Who is it? 73 Dennis JO62RM -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss f�r nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF043-5334a0855013e; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:40:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF026-5334a0855013e; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:40:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3YXN-0005Yj-HM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:39:33 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3YXN-0005Ya-5Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:39:33 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr01.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.179]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3YXL-0004W8-1B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:39:33 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr01.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id DKR69232; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:39:25 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0854C1.1040308@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:39:29 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr01.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0204.4A0854BD.0531,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Now QRV! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all My 500kHz NoV has arrived! Excellent dealings with OFCOM - very helpful. I propose doing some initial tests this evening from home. I will have CW running on 502.5kHz. ERP about 100mW. I look forward to some initial contacts. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (rly-mb06.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.164]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-d0d4a05f09f17c; Sat, 09 May 2009 17:07:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB061-d0d4a05f09f17c; Sat, 09 May 2009 17:07:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2tlI-0003RJ-Hf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 22:07:12 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2tlI-0003RA-4c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 22:07:12 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2tlG-0007eL-Gr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 22:07:12 +0100 X-Trace: 193082949/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroEABaNBUpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTYQVvwYHg3cF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,322,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="193082949" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 May 2009 22:07:09 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 22:07:09 +0100 Message-ID: <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnQ6VBNOClBIS/USmWvqN+XRgVquwAADAKQ X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Jim, LF, Thank you for the report. I can also see the MFSK signals between my own transmission, not able to decode at present. Good luck with your attempts to reduce the QRN. OK the QSO's, I did hear part of your contact with Dennis. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz Sent: 09 May 2009 21:58 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test Dear Gary, LF Group, You are S5 here at the moment in a the rising QRN. Also can see G0NBD and OR7T attempting a QSO in MSK4 - Rik's signal is just about visible on the waterfall, but will have to wait until I have completed noise-cancelling improvements before I will stand a chance of copying it here. G4JNT's beacon is also a good signal. Earlier, I had a CW QSO with G3XIZ, and this morning with Dennis, M0JXM, who was a new one for me. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE044-4da4a034b642ae; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:58:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE057-4da4a034b642ae; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:58:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Aex-00031X-V7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:57:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Aex-00031O-I0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:57:39 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Aev-0002fM-AC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:57:38 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFA97B804D for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:57:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4127E31E702 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:57:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 2060C5D74; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:57:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 39.182-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (39.182-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.182.39]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:57:25 +0200 Message-ID: <20090507225725.232kpy3wuaa5a8wc@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 22:57:25 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506225829.1vrsvh 9ozjwcwog8@webmail 4.kuleuven.be> <351E24E134154160986CF3C5CC07321A@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090507152132.C17FE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.182.39 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: FM-Hell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gerhard, thanks for the report. MultiPsk can receive (and transmit) FM-Hell At 21:20 UTC I will change from FM-Hell to RTTY (50Hz shift / 23Bd as =20 last night). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > Hello Rik, > > nice visible signal on waterfall at 20:40; > Signal was also clear audible!!!!! > > Sri, I don't have installed a FM-Hell decoder; > > Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI (JN59LN) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 17:22 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: FM-Hell > > Dear all, > > I will do some FM-Hell transmissions tonight on 503.5kHz from 20:30 > UTC til 21:20 UTC starting every 10 minutes. > Between transmissions I will "listen" on the same frequency. > Report are welcome. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb07.mx.aol.com (rly-mb07.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.165]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-d174a0718dd27d; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:11:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB073-d174a0718dd27d; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:11:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3DUL-0008S5-Hc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:11:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3DUL-0008Rw-5J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:11:01 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.127]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3DUJ-0000ou-Sr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:11:01 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2bthomr09.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DGW46332; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:10:54 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0718B2.5020203@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:10:58 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <4A067B34.9060701@btconnect.com> <921E5615F20E456088F65870062F6634@AGB> In-Reply-To: <921E5615F20E456088F65870062F6634@AGB> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020A.4A0718AE.0176,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham wrote: > Richard, > > What time was that and what mode ? > > I heard you first on CW then I heard you go to data modes. Your signal seemed to change level - do you test on different power levels? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG052-a1b4a139c9275; Wed, 20 May 2009 02:01:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG065-a1b4a139c9275; Wed, 20 May 2009 02:00:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6ept-0008Bh-7u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 06:59:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6eps-0008BY-PV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 06:59:28 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr08.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.186]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6epq-0006xT-29 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 06:59:28 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-158-34-40.range86-158.btcentralplus.com [86.158.34.40]) by c2beaomr08.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CMX17874; Wed, 20 May 2009 06:59:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A139C39.7070609@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 06:59:21 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> <20090519232905.l4n0cl7o5vk0oogs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr08.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0208.4A139C39.0055,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andy Talbot wrote: > Ansoft Designer came up with this solution. > > http://www.g4jnt.com/518kHz_BandStop.gif > > The component values aren't particulalrly nice, and there is almost > certainly a nicer design with transformers to be found, but... > Andy Is that modelled with "real" components or lossless ones? How would it be likely to perform over a typical shack temperature range? 73 Richard G3CWI > > > > > > > > -- SOTA Beams Quality products for Radio Amateurs http://www.sotabeams.co.uk Tel: 01625-425700 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (rly-dg12.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.96]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG023-60c4a1a548f2cc; Mon, 25 May 2009 04:19:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG123-60c4a1a548f2cc; Mon, 25 May 2009 04:19:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8VOT-0003eO-Im for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:18:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8VOT-0003eF-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:18:49 +0100 Received: from mx10.go2.pl ([193.17.41.74] helo=poczta.o2.pl) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8VOR-0002vs-Ic for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:18:49 +0100 Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx10.go2.pl [127.0.0.1]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4DE865F35 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:18:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bxi (unknown [193.189.116.61]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:18:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005601c9dd11$68ff15a0$6551e00a@bxi> From: "Marcin" To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> <6795A1FF1E9F491596BE84FE3FBB7BD0@Black> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 10:18:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332 Subject: LF: Re: Re: SP2KDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Markus! Thanks for the report! Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI SP2KDS Team > Hello Marcin, > > this is what your signal looked like here on the colour-DF screen, using a more favourable palette for your direction. > > Good luck, > Markus (DF6NM in Nuernberg JN59NK) > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME092-9de4a21a1172e9; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:11:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME102-9de4a21a1172e9; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:11:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAVpT-0003k2-La for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:10:59 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAVpT-0003jt-9c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:10:59 +0100 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAVpR-0002FZ-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:10:59 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.13] (helo=3.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #91) id 1MAVpP-0002jk-V0; Sat, 30 May 2009 23:10:56 +0200 Received: from w2b62.w.pppool.de ([89.58.43.98]:1583 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 3.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1MAVpP-0002EB-7C; Sat, 30 May 2009 23:10:55 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Cc: "'Gus'" References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2><010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com><833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> <20090513225952.e2nk4cqpm9kwokc4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> <51B7F2FA87A84383BB1A2166E4DF2A02@2a2d7ed321c6425> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 23:10:52 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnUEWoSo3bemmHVQM61YgPyLViMZQAy3wngAyNnf4A= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 505.6 kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BLANK_LINES_70_80 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Good evening Gus, Again solid copy ur SSB / CW transmission in JN59LN this evening!!! Your SSB-Signal is about 349 // CW is 459 at low QRN. vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI ====================== > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD053-91e4a0996d9181; Tue, 12 May 2009 11:34:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD086-91e4a0996d9181; Tue, 12 May 2009 11:33:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3tyB-0003k0-K3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:32:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3tyB-0003jr-1O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:32:39 +0100 Received: from smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3ty8-0001B6-9H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:32:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 12526 invoked from network); 12 May 2009 15:32:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=TvFscAcRTOq0x6qXrCJkckeAJIFc2ZRhEFbdAhukbyUkWm4cMrlbkXcxrB1Op+aGfsRLCqqYlP69FalyUVfyeEX05e4wOnpfXNNQ9yGnzSM5gnfD2cuYR/exUIl/f2JRug89ZTOIOhhNx6rrcQP3Ed+eCHVSOG0oeqZ6NB9NQ3Q= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@86.130.78.162 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 15:32:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wtgYOzwVM1mBO38ltHrsv2DjanpzfkVraChA_2jVgAIArbGfASMZhZBr0kPuJP30WBcsjwUPdA8FpeSMtJ5nIeF9E91lLWxz3F4_Ahr5ML0iBCFNT85FSwP_7YLEFaVUkO8.ZCuxNM8WPideFB4zxkpeQ6YfXzrfmP6SSNlSDKLYT8uUv0TQZsXTawLBSJdHrLdg023zpuwIh0IMjIBSECclzfaMvvNJAQfPyT2gyb02mFnakJM- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <982865.38712.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <982865.38712.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:32:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: Re: Fw: Planned transmissions with SAQ in 2009 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0088_01C9D31F.3AA52C40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,LINES_OF_YELLING, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C9D31F.3AA52C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Peter Thanks for the information. I will try and hear at least one of the transm= issions. 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: LF: Fw: Planned transmissions with SAQ in 2009 --- On Fri, 8/5/09, Lars Kalland wr= ote: From: Lars Kalland Subject: Planned transmissions with SAQ in 2009 To: sm6nm@telia.com Date: Friday, 8 May, 2009, 11:20 AM GRIMETON RADIO/SAQ PLANNED=20 TRANSMISSIONS, SUMMER AND AUTUMN 2009=20 =20 =20 =20 There will hopefully be transmissions with the Alexanderso= n alternator on 17.2 kHz, CW (A1A) at the following dates and times during 2= 009:=20 =20 =20 1)=20 Tuesday, May 19 2009 at 07:00 and 07:30 UTC.=20 There will be a transmission to celebrate the Japanese VLF= -station Josami Radio/JND when it will be nominated to Institute of Electric= al and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) Milestone and also celebrate its start 8= 0 years ago. The radio station is now a museum.=20 No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.=20 =20 =20 2)=20 Sunday, May 24 2009 at 10:55 UTC.=20 A transmission will take place to celebrate the First Swed= ish Coast Radio Station and 100 years of Karlskrona Radio/SAA. The station i= s still working on military frequencies.=20 No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.=20 =20 =20 3)=20 Sunday, June 28 at 09:00 and 12:00 UTC.=20 The annual transmission on =E2=80=9CAlexander Day=E2=80= =9D. The station is open to visitors.=20 We are glad to receive reports and will exchange QSL-cards= .=20 =20 =20 4)=20 Saturday, October 24 at 09:00 UTC.=20 As last year we will transmit on United Nations Day.=20 No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.=20 =20 =20 5)=20 Thursday, December 24, Christmas Eve at 08:00 UTC.=20 The Christmas transmission as before.=20 The stations is open to visitors.=20 We are glad to receive reports and will exchange QSL-cards= .=20 =20 =20 We will start tuning up some 30 minutes before message.=20 =20 =20 Also read our web site: www.alexander.n.se=20 =20 =20 QSL-reports are, when indicated, kindly received via:=20 =20 - E-mail to: info@alexander.n.se=20 =20 - or fax to: +46-340-674195=20 =20 - or via: SM bureau=20 =20 - or direct by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton Veteranradios= Vaenner, Radiostationen, Grimeton 72=20 S-430 16 ROLFSTORP=20 S W E D E N=20 =20 =20 =20 Yours=20 =20 =20 Lars Kalland=20 SM6NM =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C9D31F.3AA52C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Peter

Thanks for the information.   I w= ill try=20 and hear at least one of the transmissions.

73 Dennis M0JXM

----- Original Message -----

M0FMT <= /DIV>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:37 PM=

Subject: LF: Fw: Planned transmissi= ons=20 with SAQ in 2009

Hi All

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Sunday, 19 April, 2009 2:50 P= M

From:

"M0FMT" <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
View contact= details=20

To:

"vincent jakomin" <vincentvoy@hotmail.co.uk>

Hi Vincent=20
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From: vincent jakomin <vincentvoy@hotmail.co.uk&= gt;
Subject: FW: 7.23 meg Xtal quote please
To: m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk
D= ate: Saturday, 18 April, 2009, 10:33 PM

Hi Pete,
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CC: vin= centvoy@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: FW: 7.23 meg Xtal quote please
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To: vincent@jakomin.fsnet.c= o.uk
Cc:
Subject: 7.23 meg Xtal quote please

Hi Vincent=20

Please can you quote me price and postage and delivery for a 7= .23 Megahertz Crystal for Amateur Radio use. Cheapest available in any packa= ge. How do I pay ; Paypal?=20
Many thanks Pete M0FMT

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--- On Sat, 30/5/09, Mark <ma= rkhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

From: Mark <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk>
= Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information <crystals>
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Date: Saturday, 30 May, 2009, 2:18 PM

Lawrence,

You may get lucky with surplus Xtals in tha= t range, I use some pulled from an ancient xtal controlled 2m rig.. but= the 2m frequencies corresponding to your range are low.

You may consider using a DDS like the softm= ark unit, or the ones designed for the Softrock SDR radios . this effectivel= y gives you a VFO!

One of these may also be cheaper than a cou= ple of crystals!

Mark GM4ISM

----- Original Message -----

From: lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:06 PM=

Subject: Re: LF: RE: Information <= crystals>

Many thanks Dave. I will try suggested companies.
Actually= looking for Xtal on 8020 to 8030 so unlikely
anyone has one !
\Thank= s Laurie.

2009/5/30 Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>

Laurie,=

<= /DIV>
McKnight and Hy-Q use= d to advertise in RadCom. They may still be trading. Addresses below.=

<= /DIV>
IQD are also around,=20= but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like us!

<= /DIV>
What frequency/style=20= are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector probably has what you need.

McKn= ight Cryst= als...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY 0= 1703-848961 ENGLAND

Hy-Q Intrnational (UK= ) Ltd. (44) 01223-834444 Fax: (44) 01223-834589.

http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/=

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Messa= ge-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence mayhead
Sent: 30 May 2009= 11:42
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: Information

<= /DIV>Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days?
I= have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!!
Nothing= in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ?
Any ideas thanks
L= aurie G3AQC

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--- On Fri, 8/5/09, Lars Kalland=20 <lars.kalland@telia.com>=20 wrote:

From:=20 Lars Kalland <lars.kalland@telia.com>
Subject:=20 Planned transmissions with SAQ in 2009
To: sm6nm@telia.com
Date:=20 Friday, 8 May, 2009, 11:20 AM

GRIMETON RADI= O/SAQ

<= /SPAN>PLANNED=20
TRANSMISSIONS= , SUMMER AND AUTUMN=20 2009=20
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There will hopefully be transmissions with t= he=20 Alexanderson alternator on 17.2 kHz, CW (A1A) at the follo= wing=20 dates and times during 2009:=20
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<= SPAN lang=3DEN-GB>Tuesday, May 19 2009= at 07:00=20= and=20 07:30=20 UTC.
There will be a transmission to celebrate th= e=20 Japanese VLF-station Josami Radio/JND when it will be=20 nominated to Institute of Electrica= l and=20 Electronics Engineers (IEEE) Milestone and also celebrate=20= its=20 start 80 years ago. The radio station is now a museum.=20
No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.= =20
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<= SPAN lang=3DEN>Sunday, May 24 2009 at 10:55 UTC.
A=20 transmission will take place to celebrate the First Swedis= h=20 Coast Radio Station and 100 years of Karlskrona Radio/SAA.= The=20 station is still working on military frequencies.=20
No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.= =20
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<= SPAN lang=3DEN>Sunday, June 28 at 09:00 and 12:00=20 UTC.
The annual transmission on =E2=80=9CAlexander D= ay=E2=80=9D. The=20 station is open to visitors.=20
We are glad to receive reports and will exchang= e=20 QSL-cards.=20
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<= SPAN lang=3DEN>Saturday, October 24 at 09:00 UTC<= /U>.=20
As last year we will transmit on United Nations= Day.=20
No reports required and no QSL-cards are given.= =20
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<= SPAN lang=3DEN>Thursday, December 24, Christmas Eve at 0= 8:00=20 UTC.
The Christmas transmission as before.
The stations is open to visitors.=20
We are glad to receive reports and will exchang= e=20 QSL-cards.=20
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We will start tuning up some 30 minutes befo= re=20 message.=20
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Also read our web site: www.alexander.n.se=20
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QSL-reports are, when indicated, kindly rece= ived=20 via:=20
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- E-mail to: info@alexander.n.se=20
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- or fax to: +46-340-674195=20
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- or via: SM bureau=20
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- or direct by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton= =20 Veteranradios Vaenner, Radiostationen, Grimeton 72=20
S-430 16 ROLFSTORP=20
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------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C9D31F.3AA52C40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC082-b3f4a01f10f2b2; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:20:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC093-b3f4a01f10f2b2; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:20:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1naX-0007cF-8t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:19:33 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1naW-0007c6-FT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:19:32 +0100 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1naV-0006bU-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:19:32 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.21] (helo=11.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #88) id 1M1naU-00010M-Rc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:19:30 +0200 Received: from w33ee.w.pppool.de ([89.58.51.238]:1162 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 11.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M1naU-0005Io-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:19:30 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:19:26 +0200 Message-ID: <2F1B6EC92F8F42A4AEFE5D5AA8201E18@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnOhnWOWli3/QLUTwOIMmvNNNgJwQAATmGw X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, trhanks for info. I will start the preparations..... Local QRM is vy strong tonight.... Vy 73 de Gerhard =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2009 22:04 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Hello Gerhard, tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 minutes. Same mode as yesterday. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > Hello Rik, > > Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. > Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY test > transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward to > verify a new mode. > > Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC > Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) > > 73, Rik > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> >> >> Hello Rik, >> >> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one > more >> chance for decoding.... >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>> and listen inbetween. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>> >>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>> >>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>> >>>>> OK Rik, >>>>> >>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to > monitor, >>> I >>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>> >>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>> The way I did it: >>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR >>> BPF >>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>> >>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>> >>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>> >>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>> needs >>>>> to >>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us > using >>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the > colors >>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>>> locator >>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df09.mx.aol.com (rly-df09.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.22]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF052-5764a0e8287214; 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format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, The WSPR beacon shut down at 0900utc - thanks for the reports overnight. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD034-b744a0ad28c138; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:00:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD046-b744a0ad28c138; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:00:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4F0E-0003eq-D7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:00:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4F0E-0003eh-0d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:00:10 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4F0B-00021M-EO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:00:09 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C3051C00D for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:59:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4FB31E704 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:59:55 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:59:56 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70905130629q408f0128yfe5356c77bbe084e@mail.gmail.co m> References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905130629q408f0128yfe5356c77bbe084e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090513135955.BB4FB31E704@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Warren, I guess this problem can be solved by removing=20 the onboard xtal and injecting a signal from a stable frequency source. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 15:29 13/05/2009, you wrote: >Graham, Gerhard, > > This is EXACTLY the dds that I used and observed considerable >temperature drift when operating QRSS 60 on 137 kHz. > >-- >73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > >On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Beckmann, Gerhard > wrote: > > Hello Graham, > > > > > > > > the DDS-Oscillator under this link may partial meet your requirements=20= =85 > > > > > > > > http://www.box73.de/catalog/pdf/FA0407_694-695.pdf?osCsid=3D983aae56f383= b > > > > > > > > 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 23:25 > > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Betreff: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit=20= , > > > > better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working > > > > even better ! > > > > > > > > Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to > > > > enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device > > > > > > > > Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master > > > > oscillator for tx > > > > > > > > Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) > > > > > > > > Tnx- Graham . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db09.mx.aol.com (rly-db09.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.84]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB061-ae34a0739b82e8; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:32:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB091-ae34a0739b82e8; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:31:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Fg0-0001S2-6c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:31:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Ffz-0001Rt-PA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:31:11 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3Ffx-00024k-6F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:31:11 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3621.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 48D2A7000089 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:31:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3621.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id F25397000088 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:31:01 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510203101992.F25397000088@mwinf3621.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <2149FAD3D3B349DA8DD2D9B692522EEE@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus><5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC><008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus><61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB><4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB><1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> <20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:30:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Rik, Well see what prints with this beacon, Im running Fldigi x 3 times on the same pc , Gary is running the same for rx and reports all is ok with the system ... tnx- G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:40 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Hello Graham, > > thanks for the QSO's last night. > Under current conditions (lot of QRN and QSB) ThrobX2 seemes a bit better > than > PSK31. MFSK4 wouldn't print last night. > The night before it was the same until all the sudden I had a perfect > print. > Maybe tuning / synchronisation is rather critical for MFSK4. > The bandwidth of MFSK4 seems about 150Hz, so i will not use it for > transmit. > PSK31 and ThrobX2 are well below 100Hz. > > I will try to decode the signals starting 21:00 UTC. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > >> Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream >> same text , 60 sec repeat .. >> >> >> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz = 503.20k cent rf >> >> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz = 503,00k cent rf >> >> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz = 502.70 k cent rf >> >> >> Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' >> lock up time ? >> >> Graham >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Graham" >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM >> To: >> Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later >> >>> >>> All, >>> >>> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >>> >>> G .. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Graham" >>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >>> >>>> >>>> All >>>> >>>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>>> >>>> Tx set >>>> >>>> Dial 501.000 >>>> mode usb >>>> >>>> FLDIGI software >>> >>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>>> >>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>>> >>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>>> >>>> Power 40 watts per stream >>>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>>> >>>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>>> >>>> Reports welcome >>>> >>>> Graham >>>> >>>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>>> 05/09/09 >>>> 06:54:00 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>> 05/09/09 06:54:00 >>> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 > 07:02:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF072-9724a126db016d; 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19 May 2009 09:26:15 +0100 Message-ID: <002601c9d85b$79d9cbf0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> <20090517222630.ae0y0n55sb7ookoo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8CBA607C4722FC0-157C-146@webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:26:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9D863.DB5914A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_20_30, HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9D863.DB5914A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does it matter if one is first or second, its the quality of signal that cou= nts, and if I remember there was a lot of GUESSWORK at the time, all sorts o= f claims were made and most were wishful thinking !!!!!!! As far as I am concerned the callsign must be identified and not part of a d= ash seen on a screen. Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g0mrf@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: JA ops And yet, the first transatlantic cross band and 136kHz - 136k QSOs both in= volved stations south of Watford.=20 Dream on Crazy diamond. David Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on= 136 and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling i= n that area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.=20 Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as=20= Scotland and still do. -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops This is a meaningless argument about 25 watts and range on LF. One needs t= o know about the actual antenna in use and the resulting ERP.=20 Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 1= 36 and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in=20= that area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.=20 Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Sc= otland and still do.=20 There were also some big signals from EU at the time, unfortunately now al= l gone QRT, all active on CW. =20 =20 G3KEV=20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" =20 To: =20 Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM=20 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops=20 =20 Hi Warren,=20 =20 depends on what you call a neighbour.=20 In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to 400km under=20 similar conditions.=20 =20 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=20 =20 Quoting Warren Ziegler :=20 =20 > Tnx Laurence,=20 >=20 > If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will=20 > have to get some of his neighbors on.=20 >=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS=20 >=20 > On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China >=20= wrote:=20 >>=20 >> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites=20= - >> fyi=20 >> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: ja3vqw Hiroshi=20 >> Hi Laurence=20 >>=20 >> Thanks for your e-mail.=20 >> Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) la= st=20 >> month.=20 >> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO >>= wit h=20 >> any station.=20 >> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz.=20 >> So if you find my signal please QSL me.=20 >> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W.=20 >> The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long.=20 >> 73=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=E2=80=99t worry about stora= ge limits. >> Check=20 >> it out.=20 >> _________________________________________________________________=20 >> Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=C2=AE.=20 >> http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM= _Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS=20 > WD2XGJ=20 > WD2XSH/23=20 > WE2XEB/2=20 > WE2XGR/1=20 >=20 >=20 =20 =20 =20 --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------=20 =20 =20 No virus found in this incoming message.=20 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: 05/18/09= 06:28:00=20 =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Click here to get the very best of AOL, including news, sport, gossip, lif= estyles updates and email.=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.34/2121 - Release Date: 05/18/09= 17:55:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9D863.DB5914A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does it matter if one is first or second, i= ts the=20 quality of signal that counts, and if I remember there was a lot of GUESSWOR= K at=20 the time, all sorts of claims were made and most were wishful thinking= =20 !!!!!!!

As far as I am concerned the callsign must=20= be=20 identified and not part of a dash seen on a screen.

Mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

g0mrf@aol.com <= /DIV>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:41 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: Re: LF: JA ops

And yet, the first transatlantic cross band and 136kHz - 136k QS= Os=20 both involved stations south of Watford.

Dream on Crazy=20 diamond.

David

Early= UK=20 experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136 and=20 could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in tha= t=20 area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.
Some how=20= the=20 big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scotland and=20 still do.

-----Original Message-----
From: ma= l=20 hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27
Subject: R= e:=20 LF: JA ops

This=20 is a meaningless argument about 25 watts and range on LF. One needs to kno= w=20 about the actual antenna in use and the resulting ERP.
Early UK=20 experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136 and co= uld=20 not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in that area.=20= This=20 info appeared in the LF comic at the time.
Some how the big signa= ls=20 eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scotland and still=20 do.
There were also some big signals from EU at the time,=20 unfortunately now all gone QRT, all active on CW. =20

G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- From:=20= "Rik=20 Strobbe" <Rik.Strobb= e@fys.kuleuven.be>
To:=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent:=20 Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JA=20 ops

Hi Warren,

depends on what you c= all=20 a neighbour.
In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to=20 400km under
similar conditions.

73, Rik ON7YD=20= -=20 OR7T

Quoting Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com>:

>=20 Tnx Laurence,
>
> If he's running 25W into a 25m=20 (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will
> have to get some of his= =20 neighbors on.
>
> 73 Warren=20 K2ORS
>
> On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China <= ;hellozerohellozero@ho= tmail.com>=20 > wrote:
>>
>> Ive asked Hiroshi for more= =20 details and passed reflector and info sites - >> fyi
>&g= t;=20 73 Laurence KL1X in windy=20 BY3A
>>
>>
>> From: ja3vqw=20 Hiroshi
>> Hi Laurence
>>
>>=20 Thanks for your e-mail.
>> Yes, I got license form the=20 department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last
>>=20 month.
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9D863.DB5914A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC084-b2e4a194f1d255; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:44:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC072-b2e4a194f1d255; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:44:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Dyl-0007wl-Mf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:43:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Dyl-0007wc-6m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:43:07 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.66]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Dyj-0006yS-E0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:43:07 +0100 Received: (qmail 16504 invoked from network); 24 May 2009 13:42:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=J/tNeaxxg6ruydWL8jvIWBjw6LAFTQu99mGBTSUxr7G6ah8HFcupz6CGmXAhqbjYJy7f7hVyXg2OAGb7jXvWx5Ay1BdDpG/Jm/ZzaLzQ8nkEBd+TIa1rBl60zPk+HjUel4IgSs7CwlQhxN5h4jB1IxAR8M2mvl3z6y4GyjyxLes= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 13:42:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Z1fn3.0VM1ldOGqSWEG.eQwS2.GAAVBLRy.1qL9HWHNvgTWdpbGjw3IPSJDZsjqfudcdeeWoE36fled0j6UuFn3YREi761HO6qhxptIO0flPr_r4GR23BRpvUfIqQE2Uva8PyCqL9bSMqOPfSgoX3_C3MQiHNrGnec29paBVDqdpTbKhvTl12CBjeVDpw6O9BsarzPGPTobvyemURuZI1UtnHFDLD1jsiouzV9HvS8MbiK_UjyZglO3DnIG0CgU2Jyf5kPbmovSF6o2cL1hMOfkGgo5EsSB5oPYZwsi_HWOGVxawt0g- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <14D90153B05D421EB30356D325877C2D@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:42:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Richard, LF Group, > 1) T antenna. Am I right in thinking that in the classical T > configuration, the horizontal part of the aerial is only there to add > capacity - i.e. it makes no contribution to the groundwave? If so, I > assume that I can use very thin wire for the T? > More or less - The idea with all the top loaded vertical structures is to maximise the averaged current component flowing in a vertical direction. If you have a plain vertical element, the current tapers to zero at the top, but if you add substantial top loading, the current at the top of the vertical section is only slightly less than at the bottom, since most of the current returns to ground via the distributed capacitance of the top loading wires, rather than that of the vertical section. Thus a top loaded vertical has greater "effective height" than a plain vertical. The maximum increase in effective height is theoretically a factor of two. When the length of wire in the top load is more than about 5 times the vertical section, you are getting quite close to this - so there is not much benefit to very long top loading wires in this context. Because current is flowing in all the wire, resistive losses in the wire will contribute to the overall loss resistance of the antenna. But in practice, wire strong enough to support itself will only add a few ohms to the loss resistance, probably insignificant compared to other losses (of course, if the wire is iron or nichrome or something, this might not be true...). > 2) In the more likely configuration with "horizontal" wires actually > acting as an inverted V can I still use very thin wire without reducing > performance? The resistance of the wire will again be insignificant. If the top loading wires slope downwards, this gives rise to a downwards vertical component of the current that partly cancels out the upwards component in the vertical element, which is counterproductive. So for sloping top-loading wires, there is a trade-off between increasing the length and capacitance, and reducing the effective height. Hence the "average height" of the wires is important. Most of the time, this will mean if the lower ends of the sloping wires are at least half the height of the higest point of the antenna, they will be beneficial. But wires coming close to the ground will be counter-productive. > > 3) Is there any benefit to be gained by having an inductor at the top of > the vertical section of the T? If so, will the loss of the inductor be > relevant if the part of the antenna above it (the T wires) don't > contribute to useful radiation? In principle, the elevated loading coil will reduce the voltage on the vertical section, reducing the current returning to ground through the distributed capacitance of the vertical section, so increasing the current at the top as with top loading. Also, the lower voltage means reduction in loss produced by objects like trees and buildings close to the vertical section. In practice, this is offset by the difficulty in supporting and tuning the elevated coil. In your situation, where quite a lot of top loading is feasible, and the antenna is out in the open, the advantantages will be small. Most of the antenna current flows through the elevated coil, and the TX still has to supply the resulting power dissipated, so the inductor loss is certainly relevant. However, it can be made quite small. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB054-ad549ff5e9033; Mon, 04 May 2009 17:31:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB073-ad549ff5e9033; Mon, 04 May 2009 17:30:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M15jj-0007VS-Cq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:30:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M15ji-0007VJ-Rn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:30:06 +0100 Received: from smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.69]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M15jg-0003wZ-IB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:30:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 52708 invoked from network); 4 May 2009 21:28:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Y7frN04Mo+WJ8By3mYWIDktYANpPsTDwO2RNwAXxlQ+SupsFk01AJ6x/IQwLqGDWyethq7GyjSCsnLtQSWtu1kPbk2gGe+++x9QHHIx91Ta3uHdJhw53exAD/b//51pLH/FRlgAKx+FhkNQaeP5ctDMXBoXOWVEhaCth0LVDBwI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.110.22 with login) by smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2009 21:28:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5fC_AnQVM1mTl_kkATzfpv8ueLOQcnQtn38QZHgg.huExntKv0nzmwujm.gF4mXTJikBzPAf18q0Zl4LwOwzAQqgm8Ik4V6Z.BmQeYj9gJcDVhxaypl0FTanQg6yMHtWNVwvge0ojl0pcq.gpObMVQsoFBoy1M2Nnh13TKyK95OHzxGJZ1tXKR6BeTqcfI78qStiFrVkBOrqbqCok6A30BRwQC5f7GuVEPFVuR_zZHZYmTyGHBS6G2TnnxT8qJXO5k8KUTwliFqmXGHqmnrJJtFCYwOq3ZxOQ6.PSxSFYyBchhKN4wKZxQI4TSHwhcvpTB82SzI5JIX9f3o4n_.N X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <812B407DD1DA4057B46706FF32D73FC8@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:28:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Rik, LF Group, Nil seen here so far... mind you, I still am having local noise problems here. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: LF: rtty test > dear all, > > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC > Reports and/or reply welcome. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (rly-dg12.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.96]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG053-6114a1ac6da28f; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:27:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG128-6114a1ac6da28f; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:27:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8d0S-00051x-46 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:26:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8d0R-00051o-AN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:26:31 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8d0O-0005jL-IC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:26:31 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au0GALJjGkpZ8IyR/2dsb2JhbACCIjCCAodHgUm+fIQLBQ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.140.145]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 25 May 2009 17:26:18 +0100 Message-ID: <006401c9dd55$89291760$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:26:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01C9DD5D.EA6CB6A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C9DD5D.EA6CB6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: G0MRF@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Hi all. Firstly, thank you to Jim and Chris for the QSOs yesterday and for the man= y useful reports and comments on the relector.=20 Some detail. THE OBJECTIVE: To test the very good theory that horizontal antennas don= 't work at LF. The idea being that by operating on very poor ground you are=20= actually many 10s of metres above 'radio ground' and therefore the antenna i= s much higher electrically than you may first imagine. This technique is use= d by the US military in underground nuclear command centres to avoid EMP. The location in East Sussex is at the top of a hill 170m above sea level.=20= The ground goes down rapidly in two directions which I hoped would also aid=20= the propagation of the 500k signals. We started off with a reference antenna - A 9m vertical with a 5m top sect= ion and intended to use reports and the grabber at G3YXM to evaluate the rad= iated signal by comparison to the 100mW ERP 137.7 beacon. This was a big mis= take as the poor ground made it very inefficient, with 100 W from the transm= itter generating an unimpressive 125mA of antenna current. However, it did a= llow a couple of QSOs. We then added a large amount of wire to the top section to make the antenn= a self resonant. To my surprise, and I'm not sure if this has been done befo= re, it worked. Total wire used 128 metres. Series tuning inductance....zero.= Compared to the wavelength of 596m this represents 85% of a quarterwave,=20= which was rather more than I had anticipated. I expected the 'shortening eff= ect' to be much greater. Perhaps this was a good indication that as I suspec= ted the 'ground' under the antenna was either a considerable distance from t= he surface or, operating from a hilltop had an advantage. Antenna current wa= s now 1A. Still not very good but this was due to us using the quaterwave ag= ainst a few radials and a single ground rod. I notice that Rik reports a si= gnal increase between the two different antenna types, but this could be exp= lained by higher current in the vertical rather than any radiation from the=20= horizontal section. Just when things were looking good, it all went, to use a local term, 'pea= r shaped' It began to get dark. The static level wiped out the grabber so we could=20= not see our own signal and our final plan to turn the whole thing into a sin= gle horizontal dipole mounted along the ridge of a hilltop had to be abandon= ed as one of the 2 fields suddenly acquired a large flock of sheep. So, unfortunately a nice day in the countryside but only a little knowledg= e gained and the transmitter never turned up beyond 100W. Next time...I'll take a VNA and start with a dipole! At least the local m= anager at Homebase wont have to worry where all his 2 m bamboo canes are goi= ng anymore. My garage is full of them! Finally, to answer Dave's question about the callsign. I have probably mi= sread my NOV but I was under the impression that just like the old 73k licen= ce, /P was not allowed. Hence a letter to OFCOM a week in advance changed m= y 'station address' to East Sussex for the weekend. - So although I was work= ing from a field....they knew where to find me. As for 10 W ERP. - We probably made about 2% of that. Sorry Mal. Oh wel= l. To be continued..? ENOUGH ENOUGH - NO MORE PSE !!!!!!=20 G3KEV David G0MRF In a message dated 25/05/2009 08:34:52 GMT Standard Time, dave@davesergean= t.com writes: On 24 May 2009 at 18:24, James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, >=20 > Just worked G0MRF at 1705utc. Signal was 549 - apparently they are sti= ll > working on the antenna, so might improve yet... Got a good report from > them, so obviously receiving OK. Good luck for the rest of the > operation, David and Garo. >=20 > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU=20 >=20 >=20 I listened on and off to David's signal yesterday evening between other=20 jobs. Some observations.... G0MRF (/P but not sending /P, which I thought was a bit confusing) was=20 569 here in Bracknell, later peaking 579 but the static was intolerable=20 from around 9pm making copy very hard. I did give David a couple of calls after he finished his QSO with Chris=20 G3XIZ but obviously he didn't hear, hardly surprising with my setup and=20 in any case I found the tuning had gone off and I had a bad SWR, a=20 problem with sharply tuned short verticals. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/24/09= 07:09:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C9DD5D.EA6CB6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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G0MRF@aol.com <= /DIV>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 4:37 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV

Hi all.

Firstly, thank you to Jim and Chris for the QSOs yesterday and f= or=20 the many useful reports and comments on the relector.

Some detail.

THE OBJECTIVE: To test the very good theory that horizont= al=20 antennas don't work at LF. The idea being that by operating on very poor=20 ground you are actually many 10s of metres above 'radio ground' and theref= ore=20 the antenna is much higher electrically than you may first imagine. This=20 technique is used by the US military in underground nuclear command=20 centres to avoid EMP.

The location in East Sussex is at the top of a hill 170m above sea le= vel.=20 The ground goes down rapidly in two directions which I hoped would also ai= d=20 the propagation of the 500k signals.

We started off with a reference antenna - A 9m vertical with a 5m top= =20 section and intended to use reports and the grabber at G3YXM to evaluate t= he=20 radiated signal by comparison to the 100mW ERP 137.7 beacon. This was a bi= g=20 mistake as the poor ground made it very inefficient, with 100 W from the=20 transmitter generating an unimpressive 125mA of antenna current. However,=20= it=20 did allow a couple of QSOs.

We then added a large amount of wire to the top section to make=20= the=20 antenna self resonant. To my surprise, and I'm not sure if this has been d= one=20 before, it worked. Total wire used 128 metres. Series tuning=20 inductance....zero.   Compared to the wavelength of 596m this=20 represents 85% of a quarterwave, which was rather more than I had anticipa= ted.=20 I expected the 'shortening effect' to be much greater. Perhaps this was a=20= good=20 indication that as I suspected the 'ground' under the antenna was either a= =20 considerable distance from the surface or, operating from a hilltop had an= =20 advantage. Antenna current was now 1A. Still not very good but this was du= e to=20 us using the quaterwave against a few radials and a single ground rod.&nbs= p; I=20 notice that Rik reports a signal increase between the two different antenn= a=20 types, but this could be explained by higher current in the vertical rathe= r=20 than any radiation from the horizontal section.

Just when things were looking good, it all went, to use a local term,= =20 'pear shaped'

It began to get dark. The static level wiped out the grabber so= we=20 could not see our own signal and our final plan to turn the whole thing in= to a=20 single horizontal dipole mounted along the ridge of a hilltop had to be=20 abandoned as one of the 2 fields suddenly acquired a large flock of=20 sheep.

So, unfortunately a nice day in the countryside but only a=20 little knowledge gained and the transmitter never turned up beyond=20 100W.

Next time...I'll take a VNA and start with a dipole! At least t= he=20 local manager at Homebase wont have to worry where all his 2 m bamboo cane= s=20 are going anymore. My garage is full of them!

Finally, to answer Dave's question about the callsign. I have=20 probably misread my NOV but I was under the impression that just like the=20= old=20 73k licence, /P was not allowed. Hence a letter to OFCOM a week= in=20 advance changed my 'station address' to East Sussex for the weekend. - So=20 although I was working from a field....they knew where to find me.

As for 10 W ERP. - We probably made about 2% of that. Sor= ry=20 Mal. Oh well.

To be continued..?

ENOUGH ENOUGH - NO MORE PSE !!!!!!

G3KEV

David G0MRF

In a message dated 25/05/2009 08:34:52 GMT Standard Time,=20 dave@davesergeant.com writes:

On 24=20 May 2009 at 18:24, James Moritz wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
>= ;=20
> Just worked G0MRF at 1705utc. Signal was 549 - apparently they=20= are=20 still
> working on the antenna, so might improve yet... Got a good= =20 report from
> them, so obviously receiving OK. Good luck for the r= est=20 of the
> operation, David and Garo.
>
> Cheers, Jim=20 Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>

I listened on and o= ff=20 to David's signal yesterday evening between other
jobs.

Some=20 observations....

G0MRF (/P but not sending /P, which I thought wa= s a=20 bit confusing) was
569 here in Bracknell, later peaking 579 but the=20 static was intolerable
from around 9pm making copy very hard.
I=20 did give David a couple of calls after he finished his QSO with Chris=20
G3XIZ but obviously he didn't hear, hardly surprising with my setup=20= and=20
in any case I found the tuning had gone off and I had a bad SWR, a=20
problem with sharply tuned short verticals.
<= /DIV>

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Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
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------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C9DD5D.EA6CB6A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db09.mx.aol.com (rly-db09.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.84]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB102-ae94a0e8d98151; Sat, 16 May 2009 05:55:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB097-ae94a0e8d98151; Sat, 16 May 2009 05:55:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5Gbk-0001zq-QO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:55:08 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5Gbk-0001zf-7w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:55:08 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5Gbi-0001nc-2S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:55:08 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnAGABcqDkpOlWem/2dsb2JhbACCIy+CAIdDBoFCwgqEAQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.103.166]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 10:54:58 +0100 Message-ID: <003801c9d60c$5f736740$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <007a01c9d58f$45a60e80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <1242429806.11120.6.camel@pat-desktop-dell> <88d2415e0905160203m1bbdd75bic052166eaa50566a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:54:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: Re: LF: BC-221-T Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C9D614.C0F2AFF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C9D614.C0F2AFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Most models were BC-221-M but this one is a 221-T. It looks the same as the=20= M model, perhaps a later version. I also used them in the 1950/60's state of the art at that time !!, so was a= n AR88.=20 When the Racal RA17 was introduced, because of its accurate frequency calibr= ation the BC-221 became obsolete The 221 was an essential tool when using an AR88 to ascertain frequency accu= racy. A clumsy procedure by todays standard.=20 73 mal/g3kev=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:03 AM Subject: Re: LF: BC-221-T Hi All, I can probably still use a BC221 having used them at Hanslope Park in the=20= 40's to set uo=20 HRO's so that German stations that we were monitoring could be found. I st= ill have one in the loft but not in such good order as Mal's I am afraid. 73 Laurie 2009/5/16 pat gillen Mal, Alan 3nyk and myself were just discussing those a couple of days ago. We wondered how many of us were left who knew how to use a BC221 or similar het. unit. Don't think I can quite qualify as being old enough to have known the man who made yours though. Better question, however, is can you still read the initials on the cal charts? On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 19:59 +0100, mal hamilton wrote: > I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would make a nice OSC/driver for MF. > It is mint condx but has not been used for years. Some will be > familiar with this unit, vintage WWII made in the USA (ZENITH RADIO > CORPORATION CHICAGO) Maybe someone knows the man that made it !! > > mal/g3kev > -- 73 de Pat G4GVW QTH Nr. Felixstowe (East Coast of UK) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2117 - Release Date: 05/15/09= 17:55:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C9D614.C0F2AFF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Most models were BC-221-M but this one is a= 221-T.=20 It looks the same as the M model, perhaps a later version.

I also used them in the 1950/60's state of=20= the art=20 at that time !!, so was an AR88.

When the Racal RA17 was introduced, because= of its=20 accurate frequency calibration the BC-221 became obsolete

The 221 was an essential tool when using an= AR88 to=20 ascertain frequency accuracy. A clumsy procedure by todays standard.=20

73 mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:03=20 AM

Subject: Re: LF: BC-221-T

Hi All,
I can probably still use a BC221 having used the= m at=20 Hanslope Park in the 40's to set uo
HRO's so that German stations that= we=20 were monitoring could be found. I still have one in
the loft but not in= =20 such good order as Mal's I am afraid.
73 Laurie

2009/5/16 pat gillen <g4gvw@aol.com>

Mal,=20 Alan 3nyk and myself were just discussing those a couple of days
ago.= We=20 wondered how many of us were left who knew how to use a BC221 or
simi= lar=20 het. unit. Don't think I can quite qualify as being old enough
to hav= e=20 known the man who made yours though. Better question, however,
is can= you=20 still read the initials on the cal charts?

On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 19:59 +0100, mal=20 hamilton wrote:
> I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would make a n= ice=20 OSC/driver for MF.
> It is mint condx but has not been used for ye= ars.=20 Some will be
> familiar with this unit, vintage WWII made in the U= SA=20 (ZENITH RADIO
> CORPORATION CHICAGO) Maybe someone knows the man t= hat=20 made it !!
>
> mal/g3kev
>
--
73 de Pat G4GVW
QTH Nr. Felixstowe
(East Coast o= f=20 UK)

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2117 - Releas= e=20 Date: 05/15/09 17:55:00
------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C9D614.C0F2AFF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC062-b4b49fe17711ec; Sun, 03 May 2009 18:15:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC107-b4b49fe17711ec; Sun, 03 May 2009 18:15:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0jxH-0004vm-UV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 23:14:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0jxH-0004vd-Ki for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 23:14:39 +0100 Received: from kiwi.webfusion.co.uk ([212.67.202.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0jxF-0007yr-F6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 23:14:39 +0100 Received: from host217-34-87-14.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.87.14] helo=Stewarts-Computer.local) by kiwi.webfusion.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1M0juB-0008OA-FK; Sun, 03 May 2009 23:11:27 +0100 Message-ID: <49FE168F.8000201@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 23:11:27 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <016101c61d02$12ceca40$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <43CFCE5D.5000504@usa.net> <20060119232216.u1kyilxv57r4scgg@webmail.versatel.de> <43D0258B.2000601@usa.net> <43D027B8.1000300@usa.net> <43E7DF30.2060108@usa.net> <49FE158B.40406@g3ysx.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <49FE158B.40406@g3ysx.org.uk> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Mini Whip and local noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Sorry for the bandwidth - the previous email was part of one intended for Alberto - but I hit send before I corrected the "To". Stewart/G3YSX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD022-8ee4a089e2c97; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:53:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD026-8ee4a089e2c97; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:52:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dQ7-0006ts-NV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:52:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dQ7-0006tg-5o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:52:23 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3dQ4-0006ik-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:52:23 +0100 thread-index: AcnSgrHpc2dR/Yv4Rai2FkegRN3NlA== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:51:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4DA432DC9DD34100ABB27F4D36FF7393@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:51:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: AW: SSB-Beacon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C9D293.73DDC8F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C9D293.73DDC8F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gerhard, Thank's info and report. I run only 1 W erp at the moment. 73 de Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Beckmann, Gerhard=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: LF: AW: SSB-Beacon Hello Gus, =20 Your CW-signal is coming in with 449 this evening in JN59LN; Your SSB-signal is only weak readable now, QRN is vy high.. =20 Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D =20 =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2009 23:18 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: SSB-Beacon =20 Dear LF group, =20 I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. =20 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C9D293.73DDC8F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gerhard,

Thank's info and=20 report.

I run only 1 W erp at the=20 moment.

73 de Gus

----- Original Message -----

Beckmann, Gerhard

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:42 PM=

Subject: LF: AW: SSB-Beacon

Hello=20 Gus,

Your=20 CW-signal is coming in with 449 this evening in=20 JN59LN;

Your=20 SSB-signal is only weak readable now, QRN is vy=20 high=85.

Vy 73=20= de=20 Gerhard // DK6NI

= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<= o:p>

= <= /FONT>

Von: owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] Im Auftrag von <= /SPAN>Gus
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2009=20 23:18
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF:=20 SSB-Beacon

Dear LF=20 group,

I test a SSB beacon th= is evening=20 on 505,5 kHz USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP an= d there is=20 also a CW id include....

Reports are=20 wellcome.

73 de Gus=20 SM6BHZ
<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C9D293.73DDC8F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (rly-dc05.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.34]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC073-b234a09cfa011f; Tue, 12 May 2009 15:36:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC057-b234a09cfa011f; Tue, 12 May 2009 15:36:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3xl6-0005R9-SA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:35:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3xl6-0005R0-G9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:35:24 +0100 Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3xl3-0003pp-4x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:35:23 +0100 Received: from DR2 ([71.184.212.10]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJJ00DTIQECRTBJ@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 14:35:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> From: "dave.riley3" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:35:00 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 500 acty Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9D317.3658D630" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9D317.3658D630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mel, Any net call ups on 502 - 7033 broadcast mode?? Picture us here in the new world on a ship and can only get back on 7mc. hf.= .. Give us a break, will ya... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: LF: 500 acty Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G3CWI and G3KEV all on hi speed CW. Mal/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9D317.3658D630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mel, Any net call ups on 502 - 7033 broadcast=20 mode??

Picture us here in the new world on a ship and c= an=20 only get back on 7mc. hf...

Give us a break, will ya...

----- Original Message -----

mal= =20 hamilton

To: rsgb

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:21 PM=

Subject: LF: 500 acty

Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G3CWI= and=20 G3KEV all on hi speed CW.

Mal/G3KEV

------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9D317.3658D630-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME051-99a49ff4be21bf; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:11:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME016-99a49ff4be21bf; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:11:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M14UA-0006Zm-3E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:09:58 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M14U9-0006Zd-IH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:09:57 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M14U7-0002xx-Ew for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:09:57 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3613051C00D for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:09:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112E631E705 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:09:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 02EE05C8F; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:09:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 83.189-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (83.189-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.189.83]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:09:36 +0200 Message-ID: <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 22:09:36 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.189.83 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) dear all, I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC Reports and/or reply welcome. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG074-a114a0081c4239; Tue, 05 May 2009 14:13:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG053-a114a0081c4239; 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d="scan'208";a="189959575" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 May 2009 19:11:29 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:11:29 +0100 Message-ID: <00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnNloZgutOQBk+qTg+dku2KRytr6wAFicHQ X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 OK Rik, I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor, I normally use TrueTTY. Thanks for the info. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Gary, LF, I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz shift and 22Bd baudrate. The way I did it: 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that is the audio frequency you get) 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR BPF 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can do that in the main screen. If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't forget to select reverse mode). I will announce the exact hours later this evening. Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. All reports (or replies) are welcome. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >Hello Gary, > >I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >provide a robust signal. >I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >permits - run some tests tonight. > >73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > >At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>Hi Rik, >> >>You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal needs to >>be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>partial decode. >> >>A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >> >>I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using 85Hz. >> >>Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>judging by the strength of your signal. >> >>73 >> >>Gary - G4WGT. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >> >>Hello Gary, >> >>call the is almost right, locator completely. >>But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>the last 2 minutes or so. >>I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>So any advice is welcome. >>I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>and options. >>I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>bandwidth. >> >>73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> >>Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >> > Hi Rik, >> > >> > This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & locator >> > :- >> > >> > RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >> > >> > 73 >> > >> > Gary - G4WGT. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> > Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > Subject: LF: rtty test >> > >> > dear all, >> > >> > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC >> > Reports and/or reply welcome. >> > >> > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> > >> > >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG041-a254a0b425490; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:57:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG077-a254a0b425490; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:57:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4MRa-0007tw-Vq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:56:54 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4MRa-0007tn-5t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:56:54 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4MRY-0000Rl-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:56:54 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B559D7000089 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:56:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.52.149]) by mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 6E7197000084 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:56:44 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090513215644452.6E7197000084@mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <904474A8715F452BB14047664F07E1FB@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <1582396BAA6345DA9AA170F40E237C30@radiorummet> In-Reply-To: <1582396BAA6345DA9AA170F40E237C30@radiorummet> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:56:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Gus, Have you altered the spectrum ? looking slightly different on Gary's=20 grabber . good signal to night .. but lots of static , may just be noise level , speech seems less coloured , more red and blue ,=20 less green ? Best Rx Ae 20 mtr lazey H , no atu , direct via air space balum , slow=20 qsb 7/8 Skip distance is just right for this storm in France ! http://www.upminsterweather.co.uk/test/ll.htm -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gus" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:43 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB > > Hi Marco, > > thanks report and info! > > 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > www.sm6bhz.com > > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Scholz, Marco " > To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:35 PM > Subject: AW: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB > > >> Hello Gus, >> your CW is ufb RST 529, SSB weaker RST 41. >> Happy to catch your SSB transmission. >> >> Thanks to Gerhard, DK6NI for informing me directly. >> >> Good night >> Vy73 >> Marco >> DD7PC >> >> >> ----- Originalnachricht ----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Gesendet: Wed May 13 22:16:26 2009 >> Betreff: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB >> >> >> Hello Gus, >> >> Also solid copy (56) in JN59LN >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2009 23:05 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB >> >> Rik, >> >> thank's report. >> >> 73 de Gus SM6BHZ >> >> ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: "Rik Strobbe" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM >> Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB >> >> >>> Gus, >>> >>> solid 57 signal here tonight >>> >>> 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.27/2112 - Release Date: 05/13/09= =20 > 07:04:00 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB083-aa94a14d5433a1; Thu, 21 May 2009 00:15:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB017-aa94a14d5433a1; Thu, 21 May 2009 00:15:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6zf1-0005x4-1v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 05:13:39 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6zf0-0005wv-Gu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 05:13:38 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s10.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.210]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6zew-0005ic-0J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 05:13:38 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W5 ([64.4.56.105]) by BAY0-OMC3-S10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 May 2009 21:13:17 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 06:13:17 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2009 04:13:17.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[78165340:01C9D9CA] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_58c15297-0db3-4741-aa68-ecc7d4c3778c_" Subject: LF: XGJ X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_58c15297-0db3-4741-aa68-ecc7d4c3778c_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4bb6e25d-dc5a-44bb-999f-27519e4d1bbe_" --_4bb6e25d-dc5a-44bb-999f-27519e4d1bbe_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF! I saw XGJ signal this morning before sunrise in OK. FB! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS _________________________________________________________________ Pou=BE=EDv=E1te Messenger? Pak tak=E9 pou=BE=EDv=E1te Windows Live. Chcete v= =ECd=ECt v=EDc?=20 http://www.microsoft.com/cze/windows/windowslive/=3D --_4bb6e25d-dc5a-44bb-999f-27519e4d1bbe_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF!
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG064-a234a099e0d3cd; Tue, 12 May 2009 12:05:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG075-a234a099e0d3cd; Tue, 12 May 2009 12:04:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3uSM-0003xe-9C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:03:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3uSL-0003xV-MP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:03:49 +0100 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.158]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3uSJ-0001dt-GQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:03:49 +0100 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so32379ywk.64 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:02:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0EHAmdoKnkkmUs2yAm3pmjWNUQVXsUYQyNebpxZel34=; b=pV3EVIcg9HWmPaKsyeGMN0o58hCkVKRmop2sTeOa85ZWrvzXQ5imEYbOH4tc4Q7r2V 2Tsktpk6D7kEvFr4rr8rE7ivSUkaN4xRM9O+qeF1NhsODHBg03ya4KDHDSHflfu0dc9B Y5x+XVylOPNcPydKyXeLK6X6pcdCmoCemadgw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=omgxNT1O6q5Fkh9a6cDU1YjG0Hk0dsPpP8UdVO9Fdv3c0LEjf56M8Y78ch1YC2Iixi Bby8/yvm6crUu7Dd6odNDnQZTuwtDR+6YCDlkF36TGH8ae+CdvV+k2gxBN5mD0NzhYOV lu5rASxRv28a5/ONFQycfRvAP3BYnwEvC9odA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.68.3 with SMTP id v3mr15913ybk.165.1242144165620; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:02:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A094F88.31094.2E46CD4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <007401c9d2fa$863a6280$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:02:45 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905120902x24259365o364835d11f09dd01@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f173cc088d20469b93905 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d287.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f173cc088d20469b93905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I fully agree with Mike and Andy, any slope downward will reduce the effective height of the antenna, and hence its radiation resistance. This may not be too much of a problem on 500kHz where enough RF can be generated but on 136 not so good and on 73 useless. I have proved this in practice as well as by simulation. So there you are Mal. Laurie G3AQC 2009/5/12 Andy Talbot > A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to become a > loop with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather than a > vertical. ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tenth of a > wavelength cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered in > its entirety. Such is obvious even before resorting to modelling. Mike was > referring to electrically short antennas where the downward sloping part > simply opposes the current flow in the upward path. > > A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too noticeable > in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could do more good > than its slope undoes. > > Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude > and treating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as > second-class radio-ams, you stop and read the exam question. > > Andy G4JNT > wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom > > > 2009/5/12 mal hamilton > > You are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and >> especially antennas. >> I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with the far end >> just above ground , and in normal CW mode. >> Some time ago it was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil formers, >> thought an AR88D was a diversity fly catcher. >> What is coming next? The diversity UMBRELLA!!!! >> My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 100 ft high and performs >> well but for some this might be difficult, therefore use what you can get on >> your property and let the far end tilt down if necessary. >> G3KEV >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" < >> mike.dennison@ntlworld.com> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable >> >> >> You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. >>>> The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied >>>> to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far >>>> away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it >>>> simple. mal/g3kev >>>> >>> >>> This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards will reduce the effective >>> height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the >>> effective height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far >>> preferable to an inverted-L in a single mast situation because a >>> large amount of capacitance to ground can be achieved without much >>> reduction of effective height. >>> >>> Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my >>> advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are >>> very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Keep well away from >>> wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is >>> power lost. >>> >>> Mike, G3XDV >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 >> 16:14:00 >> >> >> > --001e680f173cc088d20469b93905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I fully agree with Mike and Andy, any slope downward will reduce the effecti= ve height of the antenna, and hence its radiation resistance.
This may no= t be too much of a problem on 500kHz where enough RF can be generated but on= 136 not so good and on 73=A0 useless.
I have proved this in practice as well as by simulation.
So there you are= Mal.
Laurie G3AQC

2009/5/12 Andy Talb= ot <andy.g= 4jnt@googlemail.com>

A full quarter= wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to become a loop with the grou= nd path forming part of the loop conductor, rather than a vertical.=A0=A0 AN= Y antenna that approaches more than about a tenth of a wavelength cannot be=20= treated as small any more, and must be considered in its entirety.=A0 Such i= s obvious even before resorting to modelling.=A0 Mike was referring to elect= rically short antennas where the downward sloping part simply opposes the cu= rrent flow in the upward path.=A0=A0=A0

=A0

A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too notice= able in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could do more goo= d than its slope undoes.

=A0

Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude and= =A0treating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as second= -class radio-ams, you stop and read the exam question.

Andy =A0G4JNT
wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom

=

2009/5/12 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >

You are certainly N= O EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and especially antennas.
I hav= e worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with the far end just above= ground , and in normal CW mode.
Some time ago it was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil =A0formers, t= hought an AR88D was a =A0diversity fly catcher.
What is coming next? The=20= diversity UMBRELLA!!!!
My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 10= 0 ft high and performs well but for some this might be difficult, therefore=20= use what you can get on your property and let the far end tilt down if neces= sary.
G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" &l= t;mike.denni= son@ntlworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Port= able

You do not need 2 m= asts for an inv L or T antenna.
The so called horizontal wire(s) can slop= e down and the far end tied
to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far
away= as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it
simple= . mal/g3kev

This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards wil= l reduce the effective
height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the
effecti= ve height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far
preferable to a= n inverted-L in a single mast situation because a
large amount of capacit= ance to ground can be achieved without much
reduction of effective height.

Based on my experience of LF portable=20= (both on 73 and 136kHz), my
advice is to make very sure that the remote e= nds of a Marconi are
very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Ke= ep well away from
wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is
power l= ost.

Mike, G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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--001e680f173cc088d20469b93905-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF064-55d4a181e6d39f; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:04:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF068-55d4a181e6d39f; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:04:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7tgf-0004Ai-KQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:03:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7tgf-0004AZ-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:03:05 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7tgc-0005o2-Pi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:03:05 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3512.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 407537000088 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 18:02:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.56.40]) by mwinf3512.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 06F3B7000084 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 18:02:56 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090523160257285.06F3B7000084@mwinf3512.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <4A17AE9F.2070000@btconnect.com> <8AB8247AC0EC491BB2748E799A45AC0B@AGB> <4A17D26B.9060605@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A17D26B.9060605@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:02:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: M0FMT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Richard, I think I could copy you portable to day , but it was not as strong as the home signal, looks like we are not that far apart io83lk , 39.8 miles , ? Ive no real way of taking a field level , but all I could suggest is you check , Garys on line display at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html Or if you tx in one of the un-used time slots , net on to 503.7 , the system checks every 15 mins , you will get a recorded level, you could use a stop watch to get into the measurement slot if your /p but you need to be close to frequency http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html These 2 displays have a dB scale , Of use ? G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:39 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: M0FMT > > Graham wrote: >> Richard, >> >> Your beacon was quite strong the other night into Wallasey, 3 miles >> west of Liverpool , what is you power/ae set up ? >> > Graham > > I am running about 15 watts into a T aerial with 40m top and 6m > vertical. This is at 10m above ground level. I estimate the ERP at a > little less than 100mW. I would be grateful for any field strength > measurements. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.36/2128 - Release Date: 05/22/09 > 06:03:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (rly-mb10.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.168]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB054-d334a102a3113f; Sun, 17 May 2009 11:16:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB107-d334a102a3113f; Sun, 17 May 2009 11:16:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5i51-0005rr-QA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 16:15:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5i51-0005ri-Df for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 16:15:11 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5i4x-0005OF-Pe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 16:15:10 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiUFANLGD0pUDXAl/2dsb2JhbACEUokLwjWEAQU Received: from host-84-13-112-37.opaltelecom.net.112.13.84.in-addr.arpa (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([84.13.112.37]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 17 May 2009 16:15:02 +0100 Message-ID: <004301c9d702$4061d6b0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:15:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 10w erp and I might hear him Pse qsp mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Tnx Laurence, If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will have to get some of his neighbors on. 73 Warren K2ORS On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrote: > > Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites - > fyi > 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A > > > From: ja3vqw Hiroshi > Hi Laurence > > Thanks for your e-mail. > Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last > month. > I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO with > any station. > I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz. > So if you find my signal please QSL me. > My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W. > The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long. > 73 > > > > > > Hotmail� has ever-growing storage! 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2118 - Release Date: 05/16/09 17:05:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB063-d3f4a171e091b5; Fri, 22 May 2009 17:50:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB123-d3f4a171e091b5; Fri, 22 May 2009 17:50:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7cbx-0001bc-IC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 22:49:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7cbx-0001bT-6W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 22:49:05 +0100 Received: from mx12.go2.pl ([193.17.41.142] helo=poczta.o2.pl) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7cbv-0001Gk-Ha for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 22:49:05 +0100 Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx12 [127.0.0.1]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB3A104026 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 23:49:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bxi (unknown [193.189.116.61]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 23:49:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003001c9db27$1c25b310$6551e00a@bxi> From: "Marcin" To: References: <4A17057D.3090409@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 23:48:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332 Subject: LF: Re: SP2KDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 TNX Screenshot Hartmut! Next Club SP2KDS 136KHz LF actyvity day: Sunday 24.05.2009 in the evening. -- Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > SP2KDS on 137.700 > > Screenshot attached > -- > 73 > Hartmut > www.h-wolff.de > Locator: JO52hp > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC051-b0b4a2129ecb0; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:43:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC027-b0b4a2129ecb0; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:43:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MANti-0000uk-1S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:42:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MANth-0000ub-FB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:42:49 +0100 Received: from imr-m08.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.210]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MANte-0005tc-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:42:48 +0100 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a2129ac1a5; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:42:20 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.cf8.588dfcdd (34931) for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.153]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA044-5c374a2129a61b; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:42:16 -0400 Received: from mblk-d37 (mblk-d37.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.221]) by smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB025-5c374a2129a61b; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:42:14 -0400 References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> <4A21111B.6070904@netspace.net.au> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:42:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4A21111B.6070904@netspace.net.au> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g0mrf@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42952-STANDARD Received: from 87.80.206.159 by mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.221) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 30 May 2009 08:42:14 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBAF3B310C8C8D-147C-2F13@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBAF3B31815F34_147C_605F_mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_20_30,HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CBAF3B31815F34_147C_605F_mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Laurie. I'm just doing an order for crystals today. www.quartslab.com? Now based in Dublin but OK. - They buy from a company in Belgium and forward it to you. or I use a company called west crystal in Vancouver ( I think that right) 73 David -----Original Message----- From: Richard Rogers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:57 Subject: Re: LF: Information Try http://www.hy-q.com.au? ? lawrence mayhead wrote:? > Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days?? > I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!!? > Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ?? > Any ideas thanks? > Laurie G3AQC? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------? >? >? > No virus found in this incoming message.? > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2142 - Release Date: 05/29/09 17:53:00? >? > ? -- 73, Ric, VK7RO? ? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ----------MB_8CBAF3B31815F34_147C_605F_mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Laurie.

I'm just doing an order for crystals today.

www.quartslab.com Now based in Dublin but OK. - They buy from a company in Belgium and forward it to you.

or I use a company called west crystal in Vancouver ( I think that right)

73

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Rogers <vk7ro@netspace.net.au>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:57
Subject: Re: LF: Information

Try http://www.hy-q.com.au

lawrence mayhead wrote:
> Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days?
> I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!!
> Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ?
> Any ideas thanks
> Laurie G3AQC
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2142 - Release Date: 05/29/09 17:53:00
>
>
-- 73, Ric, VK7RO

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----------MB_8CBAF3B31815F34_147C_605F_mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC064-b164a072258172; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:52:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC042-b164a072258172; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:52:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3E7Y-0000X8-NY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:51:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3E7Y-0000Wz-Av for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:51:32 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3E7V-0001d1-MO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:51:31 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1BE3E7000089 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:51:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id D42197000087 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:51:13 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510185113868.D42197000087@mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> In-Reply-To: <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:51:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream same text , 60 sec repeat .. PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz = 503.20k cent rf MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz = 503,00k cent rf ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz = 502.70 k cent rf Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' lock up time ? Graham -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM To: Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > All, > > Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio > > G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Graham" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM > To: > Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later > >> >> All >> >> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >> >> Tx set >> >> Dial 501.000 >> mode usb >> >> FLDIGI software > > PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >> >> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >> >> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >> >> Power 40 watts per stream >> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >> >> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >> >> Reports welcome >> >> Graham >> >> G0NBD / IO83LK >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >> 05/09/09 >> 06:54:00 >> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD104-b6b49faa6db2df; Fri, 01 May 2009 03:38:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD035-b6b49faa6db2df; Fri, 01 May 2009 03:38:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LznIN-0002q3-NH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 08:36:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LznIN-0002ps-6L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 08:36:31 +0100 Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LznIK-0002gi-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 08:36:30 +0100 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-349faa624d4; Fri, 01 May 2009 03:35:00 -0400 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c9b.26a9d857 (37071) for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 03:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Silver (g229118221.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.118.221]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB055-90cf49faa61e2aa; Fri, 01 May 2009 03:34:55 -0400 Message-ID: <168DE12B719E45A19F8CF003F78B17DB@Silver> From: "Markus Vester" To: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 07:34:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: CFH on again Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C9CA2F.514FFCC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C9CA2F.514FFCC0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01C9CA2F.5151AA70" ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C9CA2F.5151AA70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like the Canadians are dusting off their 137 kHz transmitter. 73 de Markus, DF6NM =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C9CA2F.5151AA70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks like the Canadians are dusting off th= eir 137=20 kHz transmitter.

73 de Markus, DF6NM

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X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m260.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f12ac6d5f35046966fc6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, I am concerned at the lack of activity on 500kHz. I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice hear a signal now and again.! Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to 18:30 call on 502.50, QSY up/down. If you don't like this, any other ideas? 73 Laurie G3AQC --001e680f12ac6d5f35046966fc6f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All,
I am concerned at the lack of activity on 500kHz.
I am not a= great "chin wagger" but it would be nice
hear a signal now an= d again.!
Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to 18:30
call on 502.50,=A0 QSY up/down. If you don't like this, any
other ide= as?
73 Laurie G3AQC
--001e680f12ac6d5f35046966fc6f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC074-b174a06da2e3a3; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:44:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC043-b174a06da2e3a3; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:44:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M39JJ-0007Wl-IL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:43:21 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M39JJ-0007Wc-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:43:21 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.190] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M39JH-0008If-5l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:43:21 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C6C297000083 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:43:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.54.100]) by mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 440F07000081 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:43:01 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510134301278.440F07000081@mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <2AEBF69AE87E4741948E45A9F0F6672A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4A06C298.8040006@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A06C298.8040006@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:37:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Cross-band contacts Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rich, There is something intrinsically quaint about erecting a lightning conductor on top of a mountain , flying a kite well that's one group sang ,that's 'one step beyond' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-uyWAe0NhQ) hihi Interesting question, the answer to which by default now appears to be 'yes' After having a Concorde moment in the run up to the IMD event where the arrl told there chaps , they could not communicate with a uk satiation transmitting on 500 , as it wasn't licensed, it turned out that in fact usa stations transmitting on 500 could not communicate the other way round as they where not licensed.. vo1mrc called us on 3566 in reply to 502 cw cq call The rational being that uk 500 stations already hold full uk licences and as such are operating with an extension to there existing license as in the original vlf permit, the 6 mtr variation , 5 meg experiment , asking the same question 2 years ago may of evoked a differing response, , however things have move on. Cw has been the main cross band:- 3566 reply 7033 is also used , (kev -Moscow ) Data im not sure I have had one cross band qso with wspr/qso mode to 160 mtrs And some cross band qso's with Gary , but ive not seen any other activity as such. G .. g0nbd -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:03 PM To: Subject: LF: Cross-band contacts > > Dear MFers > > A few of the SOTA crowd have started taking an interest in 500kHz since > I mentioned it on their reflector. Some have been listening and hearing > people. Are there any restrictions on making cross-band contacts (say > 80m-500kHz)? That seems like a good way to get a few people interested. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI (currently untangling wire for use as radials) > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (rly-mb06.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.164]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB034-d1149fdf36a36f; Sun, 03 May 2009 15:41:51 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB065-d1149fdf36a36f; Sun, 03 May 2009 15:41:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0hYT-0004H8-RG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 20:40:53 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0hYT-0004Gz-6U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 20:40:53 +0100 Received: from [84.51.195.52] (helo=dx.ru) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0hYQ-0002CT-E7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 20:40:53 +0100 Received: from 238.41.117.87.donpac.ru ([87.117.41.238] helo=192.168.1.3) by dx.ru with esmtpa auth=ed@dx.ru id 1M0hY8-0005uU-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 23:40:43 +0400 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 23:39:32 +0400 From: Ed RU6LA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.7) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1773268710.20090503233932@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Re: RU beacons May 1-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF enthusiasts! TNX for the reports and pics to Lubos OK2BVG, Markus DF6NM, Nicolas F4DTL, Laurence BY3A-KL1X, Henny PA3CPM, Peter G3LDO, Ko NL9222, Uwe DJ8WX and special for Sergej RA4HGN ! SRI, but I have not received reports from VK, ZL or JA or ?? and NA I had technical problems (blinked pwr in my TS-850) and have not heard an alarm clock at 23z 2 May =3D 3 AM MSK, therefore have QSYed on 136.320 at 0z ;-( (any ideas for autoQSY to other freq for all LF setup?) Sergej RA4HGN has called to me by cellular 1-2 May and has informed on my problems with a signal - TNX! GPRS was not work on Machta agn ;-( Abt QSY 137.8 to 136.3: Can in Northern America will find an additional RX DX window from EU above 137.79 or below 137.775 ? - in Russia many cannot operatively QSY on 136.3 from 137.8 (abt 1.5 kHz down) Marcus DF6NM has informed abt CHF - as often it works now? TNX 2 all for the reports and efforts agn! 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC092-b1b4a08a478dd; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:19:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC047-b1b4a08a478dd; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:19:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dq3-0007PA-1C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:19:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dq2-0007P1-Jj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:19:10 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3dpz-0001Dp-Mm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:19:10 +0100 thread-index: AcnShny2lapyzT36RCuO4NqO8DiKeQ== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:19:00 +0100 Message-ID: <94A417B477484C909F6FCF50D4FBABC1@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 00:18:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: Re: RE: SSB-Beacon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01C9D297.3ED65BA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C9D297.3ED65BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave, Thank you for all info and report. Graham just send me a audiofile so i heard the noise an static, but beacon w= as over all the time by him. It would be nice to hear your audio clip to! I have now little more gain on compressor, and hope the signal is still clea= n !? 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave G3WCB=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:08 AM Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Gus, Your SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of st= atic crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compre= ssion to boost your "talk power". My RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usu= al 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high. I have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to you? 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gus Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C9D297.3ED65BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave,

Thank you for all info and=20 report.

Graham just send me a audiofile so i heard t= he=20 noise an static, but beacon was over all the time by=20 him.

It would be nice to hear your audio clip=20 to!

I have now little more gain on compressor, a= nd=20 hope the signal is still clean !?

73 de Gus SM6BHZ

----- Original Message -----

Dave G3WCB

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:08=20 AM

Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus,

Your=20 SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of static=20 crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compressi= on=20 to boost your "talk power".

My=20 RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usual=20 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high.

I=20 have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to=20 you?

73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 Gus
Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF:=20 SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,= 5 kHz=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a=20= CW id=20 include....

Reports are=20 wellcome.

73 de Gus=20 SM6BHZ
------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C9D297.3ED65BA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (rly-mb10.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.168]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB061-d344a0c5ae91e8; Thu, 14 May 2009 13:55:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB108-d344a0c5ae91e8; Thu, 14 May 2009 13:54:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4f8B-0008KE-RM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:54:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4f8B-0008K5-Fi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:54:07 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.127]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4f88-0001LE-TF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:54:06 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host81-155-60-146.range81-155.btcentralplus.com [81.155.60.146]) by c2bthomr09.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DHS88972; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:53:59 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0C5AB9.2090700@btconnect.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:54:01 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> <4A053B34.6050807@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0205.4A0C5AB7.0173,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andy Talbot wrote: > > Surely you should be looking at more than 100km for daylight range, > Richard. See if you can hear my beacon on 503.7kHz, transmitting > every 15 minutes at 04/19/34 and 49 minutes past the hour, using the > same format as the RAL/ORK/WES 5MHz beacons, but PSK31 for the 30 - 48 > second period. > > That has an ERP in the region of 23dBm and is rather less potent than > most stations on the band. Andy The 1749 sequence was just detectable here tonight - too weak to read the CW. 73 Richard From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC034-b254a19dfad349; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:01:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC061-b254a19dfad349; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:00:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Nba-0002S0-9r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:59:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8NbZ-0002Rr-Ko for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:59:49 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.62]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8NbV-0002eM-VP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:59:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 35262 invoked from network); 24 May 2009 23:59:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=YQlIarCrs9zaLRpRKrJP3BMaA1MMYZoDFJiBCFWW/I+XIyBD4XHdKvKeTtDASVmC11sGkdIjGkJsUY5BJp+7zxDnEzrCUdiA4xenw3Ktop3dB6IHHwV77XaM7hVKIBH2LpBGAiflSLm4aqJ1Q8K/4xYN3jXl7z2M20SR39QYX0Y= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.38.229 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 23:59:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zyqLxdcVM1kLbGNLkcWG3.xYh0ySRhlWAZMRVwb78Icn6CqFUu8OmVbmOgBLvzVNLLd2nYMtyM_N1kfbGJd2eWFvv6ezGGLROA_NOGtwFUifA_AfVVnR0nP9q0wwpD.f1beZWdRdNEjufTQv7VNRcLqyJr6SSEyc1UBTUxcrOEtfhRu8YlDujSOgo6ieQMcta_VB55YgVVLRKpDmHUYdQytiT4QYpOmiN73p2NuI_kMIXpQlL3zTHtcZqOSZP5PoGxURSo3q2Ckz8Ul8VfTm6B7KukSHNhngj8U- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <007a01c9dccb$b3021620$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <4A199D1F.7070201@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:59:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Modelling aerials Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi again Richard. I think the answer is dont waste your time. LF/MF aerials are so short and depend so much on ground and none of the systems model them very well at all. Roy Llewellin admitted as much at an Internet lecture a few years ago at the HF Convention. Laurie G3AQC and Peter G3LDO have done some work with EZINEC. It would be a disaster for instance, to fix tuning component values on the basis of a model. In particular the programs dont seem to model the reduction in ground loss with increased top capacity, which is the effect you may have with a short low aerial. I can imagine that modelling ground strata of a rocky hill top will be almost impossible. At our level LF and MF aerial work has proved that empirical techniques are the best. Hence my cry of "measure it with an RX bridge", I have found that is the only way to really find out what is happening, and quickly assess changes. Graham mentions the increase in gain from top loading but it is very small about 1dB. the main advantage of top inductive loading is to reduce the voltage on the vertical section so that the loss which is coupled into to surrounding environment, trees and buildings, is reduced. You never see it in commercial aerial systems because they just dont have that effect. The thought of you abseiling down a cliff gives a whole new meaning to aerial rigging. Yes you could increse the capacity of the lower end to ground with insulated (from ground) radials. By the time the current gets down there it has traversed the Radiation resistance and an increased capacity with reduce the ground loss. It could work quite well!! The top feed with be just the same as a normal vertical feed. Dave G0MRF made the 1st trans-atlantic 136kHz crossing using an "urban cliff".... throwing two wires out of the top-floor flat of a tower block in West London, and feeding it again the water-distribution system (I believe) !! LF stands for "Loadsa Fun" and MF for "More Fun" :-)) Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:16 PM Subject: LF: Modelling aerials > Dear MFers > > I am trying to model various aerial configurations for 500kHz using NEC. > I have set the antenna 0.5m above ground as NEC2 does not like radials > on the ground. I have used "real ground". Has anyone compared the > calculated Source impedances to real-world measurements at 500kHz? I am > trying to understand the likely range of impedances that I need to match > over and hence the ATU types I need to employ and the components needed. > > Any modelling tips will be welcome. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG013-a104a2115b6286; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:17:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG052-a104a2115b6286; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:17:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMYR-0000HK-Mw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:16:47 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMYR-0000HA-5V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:16:47 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.70]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAMYO-00089f-R8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:16:47 +0100 Received: (qmail 74122 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 11:16:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=c+tMt/t1fBcZUgR5O849JTs7aPvUrZOt80XEDCYSG40vhyVgVUFtpe00wMn3nMZSoEGnzaxqqDHLYy/h5/BQXjFLl/q/b46uSGuPxHCjHrm7cg2ZLtJk7AvVPaJ7kdzpBeShs9Hxr6Ucj3Lba5UfTp3fJ2YLqAg7/1FLg4J45d4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.141.127.128 with login) by smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 11:16:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xi00KYEVM1mGUa2vgla9Z0N56jFTcTmLngOrDhekHmoncXav8XO6mH2ldIq5KT5KDNZL2dYyipvjsUnkfFtf_ougokTrFgWFpBzzS5.4iCP7AGsLiBED5LLih85JplhfyOZu3OLkd.qF0Yfn_C5tyf0BSBu5bHfqho3sLFVa3xfxCUdugQkL2InmOLB.q5p.II080QyRrAY3LOcphh3hy.Vv8U3uDMmDF0GKr7C1Ww4uZRUqGAkaeByQZkslS2vNNGKlNSP5mLdvqRKtK7BZXl4KiauRG68K28p9sRvP.bib9YfQGFl.2otbJqrFbFQ4RqMtQHErCRp1SPYqJrtJ4O1leGtaci6KgkN7G4xAIgnUpbVx9dIi6X8U5fN4IG_D1vkDfotlBQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:16:53 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C9E120.84819E20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C9E120.84819E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Laurie, I've just found a link to QuartzLab, who will handle small orders and one-offs.For example from their web-page, crystals in the range 2.0 to 4.0 MHz are �14.03 Go to:- http://www.quartslab.com/ 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 30 May 2009 11:53 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Information Laurie, McKnight and Hy-Q used to advertise in RadCom. They may still be trading. Addresses below. IQD are also around, but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like us! What frequency/style are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector probably has what you need. McKnight Crystals...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY 01703-848961 ENGLAND Hy-Q Intrnational (UK) Ltd. (44) 01223-834444 Fax: (44) 01223-834589. http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/ 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence mayhead Sent: 30 May 2009 11:42 To: rsgb Subject: LF: Information Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? Any ideas thanks Laurie G3AQC ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C9E120.84819E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Laurie,

I've=20 just found a link to QuartzLab, who will handle small orders and one-offs.Fo= r=20 example from their=20 web-page, crystals in the range 2.0 to  4.0 MHz a= re=20 =A314.0= 3

Go=20 to:-

http://www.quartslab.com/

73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave=20 G3WCB
Sent: 30 May 2009 11:53
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: Information=20 <crystals>

Laurie,

McKnight and Hy-Q used to advertise in RadCom. They=20 may still be trading. Addresses below.

IQD=20 are also around, but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like=20 us!

What=20 frequency/style are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector probably ha= s=20 what you need.

Mc= Knight Cry= stals...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY 01703-848961 ENGLAND

Hy-Q Intrnational (UK= ) Ltd. (44) 01223-834444 Fax: (44) 01223-834589.

http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/

7<= SPAN class=3D898214710-30052009>3, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence=20 mayhead
Sent: 30 May 2009 11:42
To:=20 rsgb
Subject: LF: Information

Does anybody= =20 manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days?
I have trawled=20 Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!!
Nothing in Radcom= .=20 What's happened to companies like QCC ?
Any ideas thanks
Laurie=20 G3AQC
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C9E120.84819E20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF042-5334a1a7590302; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:40:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF026-5334a1a7590302; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:40:18 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Xaj-00043J-KT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:39:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Xaj-00043A-8T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:39:37 +0100 Received: from mhost01h.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.77.238]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Xah-0003bj-FO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:39:37 +0100 Received: from APOLLO1.ds.leeds.ac.uk (apollo1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.5.4]) by mhost01h.leeds.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PAef4a006093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:40:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([fe80::39ce:23e:d0b5:7e24]) by APOLLO1.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.5.4]) with mapi; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:39:29 +0100 From: Chris Trayner To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:35:20 +0100 Thread-Topic: Re: Wavemeters Thread-Index: AcnWENnJDaSHm3vLSw+TZgDDDV1r4QHE6cJO Message-ID: <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11CEAA5881A@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk> References: <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11229299AE3@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk>,<004901c9d610$1b647900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <004901c9d610$1b647900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: Wavemeters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Mal, > What model Chrs ? Sorry for the delay in replying. The front panel says "Wavemeter class D. No 1 Mk 2/1". It's in a green metal case about 19x18x15 cms with a hinged lid. 73, Chris G4OKW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG083-5f34a03550d2d0; Thu, 07 May 2009 17:39:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG098-5f34a03550d2d0; Thu, 07 May 2009 17:39:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2BIp-0003H4-MF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:38:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2BIp-0003Gv-99 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:38:51 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2BIn-00034G-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:38:50 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896E151C006 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 23:38:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB1C31E702 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 23:38:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id B607F5A06; Thu, 7 May 2009 23:38:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 39.182-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (39.182-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.182.39]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 07 May 2009 23:38:37 +0200 Message-ID: <20090507233837.zvc6sysze3ccogos@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 23:38:37 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425><20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be><004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus><20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be><004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506225829.1vrsvh9ozjwcwog8@webmail 4.kuleuven.be><351E24E134154160986CF3C5CC07321A@2a2d7ed321c6425><20090507152132.C17FE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <20090507225725.232kpy3wuaa5a8wc@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.182.39 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: AW: FM-Hell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gerhard, propagation seems to be better than last night. But also strong QRN. I could see most off my FM-Hell and the 21:20 UTC RTTY transmission =20 clearly on the G4WGT grabber. I had last RTTY transmission at 21:20 UTC and will close the station now. Thanks for the reports. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > Hello Rik, > > last transmission had some QSB and QRM. > Decoded only following fragments... > > CQ CQ CQ OR7T OR7T OR(T > PSE K > > Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI (JN59LN) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 22:57 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: AW: FM-Hell > > Hello Gerhard, > > thanks for the report. > MultiPsk can receive (and transmit) FM-Hell > > At 21:20 UTC I will change from FM-Hell to RTTY (50Hz shift / 23Bd as > last night). > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> >> Hello Rik, >> >> nice visible signal on waterfall at 20:40; >> Signal was also clear audible!!!!! >> >> Sri, I don't have installed a FM-Hell decoder; >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI (JN59LN) >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 17:22 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: LF: FM-Hell >> >> Dear all, >> >> I will do some FM-Hell transmissions tonight on 503.5kHz from 20:30 >> UTC til 21:20 UTC starting every 10 minutes. >> Between transmissions I will "listen" on the same frequency. >> Report are welcome. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG012-5b74a069b99109; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:17:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG038-5b74a069b99109; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:17:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M358p-0006jz-QG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:16:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M358p-0006jq-6O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:16:15 +0100 Received: from mail-fx0-f174.google.com ([209.85.220.174]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M358j-0007Pe-P9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:16:15 +0100 Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so3017141fxm.4 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:16:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7nbIlYjJ7tocE9RzBBpjLYmsONA/ruBnpc6uqfRZUNY=; b=s3ZNFsrbKeoOGQlwux8OulipgzYwqMMDuTcmbv3Tgy2bmg3JIJrppCicT3DCW/+eTc 3kwGG3HxNBUApdlC/QilXiF00aeOR+jaGSZwUNKVcMfLBiZL32Tt9a7+XmLxQnBHmeu/ By/fIuFN67OEo3OcxCiOS/AJU5uOXDBnDm474= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=PRpBau5LCnxAAL14j8CFog/1bVixn7fpYRbMcjt0zJmOyUY2fCgq2K8vIopVIVkFI+ 7EWnobNsLnnsWAtHjaJ/qjhtrasoNXp1syGUuy2ejkqa4ebJ0ue4DGFyGbDQJspbBuvT k85m+QO3BIA6QDtxdVewphd1H/Kmldr2UaH8M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.212 with SMTP id n20mr5585921bkq.138.1241946963297; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:16:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:16:03 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: Fw:Re: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d999da93c83b04698b4f3a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d271.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6d999da93c83b04698b4f3a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G3GNR is not far from Dartmoor - a well known microwavge operator, as is G8BKE. They're all moving to MF! Andy G4JNT wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom 2009/5/10 dave > > Richard, Andy, LF, > > > I can hear the G4JNT beacon clearly in South Devon with a 2m tuned loop > during the daytime, and that's probably more like 250km. G3XIZ is also a > strong daytime signal, again at over 250km. I also heard G3GNR very strongly > calling G8BKE at 2140 utc on Tuesday 5 May, but I don't know his QTH. > > The best way of getting started is to set up a sked via this reflector and > take it from there. You can also look at the G3XZM and G4WGT online > "grabbers" to see if there is any activity. > > 73, Dave G3WCB at temorary QTH, Dartmouth S Devon. > > > ----- Original message ----- > Sent: 2009/05/09 10:09:17 > Subject: Re: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable > > Dear Richard, > > With only about 40 odd NoVs in existence, and not all active, there > probably > are not many within 100km of you! But rather more than 100km is not unusual > > during daytime, so don't worry too much. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Newstead" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable > > > > Richard Newstead wrote: > >> > >> Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in > >> Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? > >> > > Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I also play)? > > Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me? > > > > 73 > > > > Richard > > G3CWI > > > > > --0016e6d999da93c83b04698b4f3a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
G3GNR is not far from Dartmoor - a well known microwavge operator, as i= s G8BKE.=A0 They're all moving to MF!

Andy =A0G4JNT
wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom

=

2009/5/10 dave <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>

Richard, Andy, LF,

I can hear the G4JNT beacon clearly in South Devon with a=20= 2m tuned loop during the daytime, and that's probably more like 250km. G= 3XIZ is also a strong daytime signal, again at over 250km. I also heard G3GN= R very strongly calling G8BKE at 2140 utc on Tuesday 5 May, but I don't=20= know his QTH.

The best way of getting started is to set up a s= ked via this reflector and take it from there. You can also look at the G3XZ= M and G4WGT online "grabbers" to see if there is any activity.

73, Dave G3WCB at temorary QTH, Dartmouth S Devo= n.

----- Original message -----
Sent: 2009/05/09 10:09= :17
Subject: Re: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable

Dear Richard,

With only about 40 odd NoVs in existence, and not all active, there prob= ably
are not many within 100km of you! But rather more than 100km is not= unusual
during daytime, so don't worry too much.

Cheers, Ji= m Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard New= stead"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:13 AM
Subject: Re= : LF: 500kHz Portable

> Richard Newstead wrote:
>>=20=
>> Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in
&g= t;> Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? >>
> Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I= also play)?
> Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me?
>
= > 73
>
> Richard
> G3CWI
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--0016e6d999da93c83b04698b4f3a-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME032-9b14a00a866126; Tue, 05 May 2009 16:58:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME045-9b14a00a866126; Tue, 05 May 2009 16:58:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1Rhn-0003TE-2O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:57:35 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1Rhm-0003T5-EZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:57:34 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1Rhl-0006UW-Jc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:57:34 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDAB51C003 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3039E31E702 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C904D5B9C; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.65.71.240]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 Message-ID: <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.65.71.240 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gerhard, thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > Hello Rik, > > Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. > > Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test > > Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. > I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC > and listen inbetween. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Rik Strobbe : > >> Hello Gary, LF, >> >> I just had a first transmission. >> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >>> OK Rik, >>> >>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor, > I >>> normally use TrueTTY. >>> >>> Thanks for the info. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Gary, LF, >>> >>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>> The way I did it: >>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>> is the audio frequency you get) >>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR > BPF >>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>> do that in the main screen. >>> >>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>> forget to select reverse mode). >>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>> >>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>> Hello Gary, >>>> >>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>> provide a robust signal. >>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>> >>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal > needs >>> to >>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>> partial decode. >>>>> >>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>> >>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using >>> 85Hz. >>>>> >>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>> >>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>>>> and options. >>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>> bandwidth. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>> >>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>> locator >>>>>> :- >>>>>> >>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>> >>>>>> dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>> 21UTC >>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE072-4d84a1edb0532e; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:42:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE055-4d84a1edb0532e; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:42:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9kX9-0003Ku-3Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:40:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9kX8-0003Kl-Iu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:40:54 +0100 Received: from mail-qy0-f131.google.com ([209.85.221.131]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9kX2-0001Zn-IT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:40:53 +0100 Received: by qyk37 with SMTP id 37so2000843qyk.30 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:40:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d280.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal, There is only ONE B-29 that is still considered airworthy (out of nearly 4,000 B-29's built). The one airworthy B-29 "Fifi" is in need of an engine overhaul. http://www.cavanaughflightmuseum.com/B-29_B-24_Press_Release_1-21-08 I have seen the Enola Gay at the Air and Space Museum's Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center at Dulles Airport outside of Washington, D.C. http://collections.nasm.si.edu/code/emuseum.asp?profile=3Dobjects&newstyle= =3Dsingle&quicksearch=3DA19500100000 I have a photo of the Enola Gay signed by Col. Tibbets as well. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:28 AM, mal hamilton wrote= : > Interesting info Warren. > All of my old Airforce equipment RAF and USAF is in very good condx.and I > know how to use it. > All I need is a B29 to check it out AIR to GROUND. > Mal/G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF > > >> The BC-306 tuning is a good one too. Inside it is a tapped coil + >> variometer, maximum inductance about 1.2 mH. >> >> http://www.questmasters.us/B-24_Page_3.html >> http://eshop1.chem.buffalo.edu/600-Meter-TX.html >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 6:47 AM, mal hamilton >> wrote: >>> >>> Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 called MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER >>> AIRCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with 200 feet trailing wir= e >>> antenna. >>> Contains variometer, switches and vac relay. >>> I have a nice specimen at my QTH. >>> Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching. >>> Maybe someone has used one in a B29 >>> >>> G3KEV >>> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/27/09 > 18:21:00 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de09.mx.aol.com (rly-de09.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.145]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-5004a04979d1af; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:35:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE095-5004a04979d1af; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:35:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Wmm-0006s2-P6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:35:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Wmm-0006rt-C2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:35:12 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.191] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Wmj-0000Jh-Kh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:35:11 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3619.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CCD0D7000088 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:35:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.36.218]) by mwinf3619.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 8D5467000087 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:35:04 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090508203504578.8D5467000087@mwinf3619.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> <00b101c9d01b$bbd34790$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <00b101c9d01b$bbd34790$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:34:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Gary Ive never used this mode , but looks like a good narrow system , would go via most cw filters ? may of seen it on 160 ? G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary - G4WGT" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:29 PM To: Subject: RE: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > Graham, LF, > > It looks a little over the 100Hz bandwidth, viewing using Fldigi & SpecLab > it looks to 120Hz. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham > Sent: 08 May 2009 21:10 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > > Ok Gary , > > What do you make the BW ? looks to be just 100 Hz close in > > ? > > Tnx - G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gary - G4WGT" > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:59 PM > To: > Subject: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > >> >> Hi Graham, LF, >> >> Coming in here no problem. >> >> CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >> qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham >> Sent: 08 May 2009 20:05 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent >> >> >> Narrow , MFSK 4 running 503.000 cent freq >> >> tx set 502.000 usb / 1000 hz audio cent >> >> FLDIGI software >> >> 100 Hz bw ? how wide do you make it ? >> >> tnx- Graham >> >> G0NBD >> >> IO83LK >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2103 - Release Date: >> 05/07/09 > >> 18:05:00 >> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 > 11:43:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de09.mx.aol.com (rly-de09.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.145]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE014-5034a03e14564; Fri, 08 May 2009 03:37:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE098-5034a03e14564; Fri, 08 May 2009 03:37:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2KdG-00047b-AL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 08:36:34 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2KdF-00047S-UH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 08:36:33 +0100 Received: from smtp130.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.107.113]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2KdF-0002mv-Gs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 08:36:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 22272 invoked from network); 8 May 2009 07:35:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=KA4YwewDjqxEM+TSwsh52U5xCuj6wpvlFMUwTbu/CKLyBibmVsV+eOHY7PyHCbONGG3oAfe5AZYw7pYe2GHJXqWyC4wkQdZd1SrGCNxqGtLbOPfSYgjMPDZ7/kdVtKVrzOaFEEh9/w5RGSnsOQcVuyTQAwoYFKGCtm3WPIcc0Ho= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.133.80.138 with login) by smtp130.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2009 07:35:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rfZqB7sVM1kk5GFpmukZs9rnA5HcjNZ.Wykni21hEZM.KA5LG9A0FLYBfDTYxmp0Ov6R.YL0gOfnsHsVvUCHbjedbYdCry7Vxeph9sKi0j8HOJZOtEqDsJZTH6lH79yUjyz.hwNuHWUpCqL6zXgcN.IrDRQ2tIPI9ab6WKWegZqk9qIJUFSPFLZuan7rS3Ts5C1qCoYeD9QMQvm_gnsf7L9Qc43yVZVK9Vwh3AQNbKNQ2u4O0kxXpU.mWCR0fxzt.WoW5TkPiDrSab2ljjGAronLbq8kaazZZGyEsp.2SLPNJKXlYDPdcu.EEJ5ZIG1KiHI6NOuJ5Zuko2gFdWY8vD4c7DYDnP1lYG2qL9OD9dA- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <7E9EF6659F2F4E9CB5EC8782B4572B69@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 08:35:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear all. I am still active in Luton, locator IO91TV, on 500kHz running 100mW ERP. 73 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:58 PM Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable > Dear all > > My 600m NoV has been confirmed and is in the post. I have the parts for > the transmitter and an ATU. I have kites and plenty of wire. > > Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in > Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df10.mx.aol.com (rly-df10.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.23]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-5804a0091a13c9; Tue, 05 May 2009 15:21:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF103-5804a0091a13c9; Tue, 05 May 2009 15:21:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1QBa-0002Yu-9I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:20:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1QBZ-0002Yl-Q2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:20:13 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f213.google.com ([209.85.217.213]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1QBV-0001MP-0P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:20:13 +0100 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so10430498gxk.4 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:19:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=R6Q4GhiFemhM49YcAW0vnpNsNDgCwElP4vz9RdH9MmA=; b=MtThB9vdZshd5TBa0PPvtVvgY5zI62l9rVjFE6xtsJ0urR3rCMSC2TrhHBPNUys716 x2EtdCmWkla6BH+BYRvtHhSTr4R3cLWY8Y2MY1UtdCAaZYSnFPPLfh4mtake9kLIf6TV ITNimnbZApi5WxdNv/JGeV+4KshJr1Qfw5MDQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=uAfd5LhiHHFhHnX0vAuK5yVDNVQU0/lZg2OyU9zwfopKAXAevSgYIUr+FN4qI4+Wyt HEyS6bz7Xod92N4Iak9EI9bA3Qq7pEk5oJztgFdGXJzceUggS8qB1Fw17UjYaDzOZjqK loFsgj6SXNISkMpkhlS9FQsNS6MlBMUleBuko= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.72.13 with SMTP id z13mr137097ybk.168.1241551140089; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:19:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CB9BC255FD96DE-10B0-1974@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> References: <88d2415e0905041311m2b3902d4m19e5460371c5ff88@mail.gmail.com> <4A006EFC.3010401@ukonline.co.uk> <8CB9BC255FD96DE-10B0-1974@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:19:00 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905051219o42756e56yfba42ee60bb09add@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Racal 5501 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f17acacf07b04692f26a6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_20_30, HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m212.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f17acacf07b04692f26a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi David, I presume that was one of the diodes in the Guard circuit? Actually I've moved the units around, and its definately the unit, not its location. But thanks anyway. 73 Laurie. 2009/5/5 > Hi Laurie. > > I recall that when I first powered up my Decca, it had low output on one > module. That turned out to be a blown diode in the power recovery unit. - > It's been so long I've forgotten the full detail. > > 73 > > David > > Hi Laurie, > I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the > fault is clear - it just has blown power FETs. > You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the > two faulty ones > I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the moment > > Regards > > Peter, G3LDO > > > > Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments > > that I could buy? > > One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to > > about a third, > > so far can't find the fault. > > 73 Laurie G3AQC > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Dodd > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:53 > Subject: Re: LF: Racal 5501 > > Hi Laurie, > I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the > fault is clear - it just has blown power FETs. > You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the > two faulty ones > I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the moment > > Regards > > Peter, G3LDO > > > > Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments > > that I could buy? > > One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to > > about a third, > > so far can't find the fault. > > 73 Laurie G3AQC > > > ------------------------------ > Click here to get the very > best of AOL, including news, sport, gossip, lifestyles updates and email. > --001e680f17acacf07b04692f26a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi David,
I presume that was one of the diodes in the Guard circuit? Actu= ally I've moved the units around, and its definately the unit,
=A0not= its location. But thanks anyway.
73 Laurie.

2009/5/5 <g0mrf@aol.c= om>

Hi Lau= rie,=A0
I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the fau= lt is clear - it just has blown power FETs.=A0
You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the tw= o faulty ones=A0
I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the momen= t=A0
=A0
Regards=A0
=A0
Peter, G3LDO=A0
>=A0
> Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments &= gt; that I could buy?=A0
> One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to=20= > about a third,=A0
> so far can't find the fault.=A0
> 73 Laurie G3AQC=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Dodd <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:53
Subject: Re: LF: Racal 5501

Hi= Laurie,=A0
I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the fau= lt is clear - it just has blown power FETs.=A0
You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the tw= o faulty ones=A0
I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the momen= t=A0
=A0
Regards=A0
=A0
Peter, G3LDO=A0
>=A0
> Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments &= gt; that I could buy?=A0
> One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to=20= > about a third,=A0
> so far can't find the fault.=A0
> 73 Laurie G3AQC=A0
=A0

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--001e680f17acacf07b04692f26a6-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (rly-mf09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.179]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF043-98049fb7ce02aa; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:51:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF096-98049fb7ce02aa; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:51:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M01Yh-0004m6-4o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:50:19 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M01Yg-0004lx-LV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:50:18 +0100 Received: from imr-m07.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.209]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M01Yf-00020P-8w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:50:18 +0100 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-m07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-349fb7c933e5; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:49:55 -0400 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.bb9.43600fc6 (37074) for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Black (g229118221.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.118.221]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB058-90d249fb7c7868; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:49:29 -0400 Message-ID: <58B94240067A4567AF090D36CEC75971@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 00:49:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Big signal RU6LA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C9CABF.D7C891A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C9CABF.D7C891A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed, excellent here as well, up to about 6 uV/m! And the QRN has gone down no= w. Don't be confused by the 0.09 Hz sidebands visible on my grabber, they ar= e only a modulation artifact from the noise blanker acting on the periodic D= CF39 telegrams. Markus, DF6NM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 12:23 AM Subject: LF: Big signal RU6LA Hello Ed, LF! Your signal is 35dB over the noise. It is unbelievable signal here. I just see FB signal "WPF"=20 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:32:07 +0400 > From: ed@dx.ru > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: RU beacons May 1-2 >=20 > Dear LF enthusiasts! >=20 > I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z, > on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3. >=20 > QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May) > abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical) > QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop) >=20 > Reports welcome >=20 > 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru >=20 >=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- P=F8et=E1hn=ECte si fotografie p=F8=EDmo do chatu v Messenger. Jak se do d= =ECl=E1. Klikni zde!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C9CABF.D7C891A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ed, excellent here as well= , up to=20 about 6 uV/m! And the QRN has gone down now. Don't be confused by=20 the 0.09 Hz sidebands visible on my grabber, they are only a=20 modulation artifact from the noise blanker acting on the periodic DCF39= =20 telegrams.

Markus, DF6NM

----- Original Message -----

Lubos OK2= BVG=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 12:23=20 AM

Subject: LF: Big signal RU6LA

Hello Ed, LF!
Your signal is 35dB over the noise. It is=20 unbelievable signal here.
I just see FB signal "WPF"=20

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

> Date: Wed, 29 Apr= =20 2009 23:32:07 +0400
> From: ed@dx.ru=
> To: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org
>=20 Subject: LF: RU beacons May 1-2
>
> Dear LF enthusiasts!
&= gt;=20
> I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z,
= >=20 on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3.
>
> QTH: Macht= a,=20 KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May)
> abt 5W ERP (100W ou= tput=20 in Big Vertical)
> QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start &=20 stop)
>
> Reports welcome
>
> 73! Ed RU6LA=20 136.73.ru
>
>

P=F8et=E1hn=ECte si fotografie p=F8=EDmo do chatu v Messenger. Jak se do d= =ECl=E1. Kl= ikni zde!=20
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Hi Warren,Lf

strong signal and nice capture,

Henny pa3cpm

best 73s.
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 21-05.jpg

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20:22:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GcwC5nMVM1lnC_3y7fUM.EPXrO5j6ulDXWx5_N3L2QBs79TlLWoZx.g0hqrr2aqTzrWjQh9c7GA.SP0mZMYCtucJTjSrapf1WxaVi2TTEzjKYb2VrIm602YGrJpHKGF_ywC6IWN4RBOZ7h86fH2dM96HXIRp4XF1z4k.pM5FW890kbwPg67E7EuHBsk2dPGniuniwrzRcVDBIdYmOVN.EmYCKtBh41.CA5PpLAZN3knTYsRF04j9qWCB_1k78kLbyW.84Z0_3xHsVqlO78nMs_AQKEPEgSjXPErotFGwcHDxPW0EeNDxb6G9Gi6KfnTwDQ3qYyYvQyi544eDgGbinGo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <8ACED3BED0484971A82257CCD4C67FF1@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:22:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Laurence, LF Group, Do you know if Hiroshi and the JA people have been able to copy DCF 39 et al? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence BY3A-KL1X China" To: Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:57 PM Subject: LF: JA ops Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites - fyi 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME072-9c74a12cc5c1ce; Tue, 19 May 2009 11:12:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME073-9c74a12cc5c1ce; Tue, 19 May 2009 11:12:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6QyJ-0005Vg-R8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 16:11:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6QyJ-0005VX-AU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 16:11:15 +0100 Received: from [80.68.4.13] (helo=dx.ru) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6QyF-0002py-Jh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 16:11:14 +0100 Received: from 238.41.117.87.donpac.ru ([87.117.41.238] helo=192.168.1.3) by dx.ru with esmtpa auth=ed@dx.ru id 1M6Qy4-000JOp-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 19:11:01 +0400 Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:10:00 +0400 From: Ed RU6LA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.7) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <4310686834.20090519191000@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <8ACED3BED0484971A82257CCD4C67FF1@JimPC> References: <8ACED3BED0484971A82257CCD4C67FF1@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Re: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Jim and LF enthusiasts! M0BMU wrote 19.05.2009, 0:22 MSK(GMT+3h): ....... JM> Do you know if Hiroshi and the JA people have been able to copy DCF 39 e= t JM> al? ......... I'm informed Mori JH1GVY abt DCF39 http://www003.upp.so-net.ne.jp/JH1GVY/lf-top.html It yet has not informed on reception of DCF39 in JA Some Mori's LF data on his site is very interesting Mori also 160m enthusiast Mal G3KEV, do you work Mori on 160m? 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (rly-mb02.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.155]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB041-cee4a19338d13b; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:46:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB022-cee4a19338d13b; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:46:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8C9C-0007gX-3r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:45:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8C9B-0007gO-O5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:45:45 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr01.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8C98-0007jM-AX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:45:44 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2beaomr01.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id DNG22710; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:45:33 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 12:45:36 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr01.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0208.4A19335D.02F5,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > Jim > I did not say an inv L virtually lying on the ground as in Richards > case(1 METRE ABOVE GROUND), this is more like a beverage antenna. This is all very interesting. I have spent an hour in a darkened room contemplating suitable antennas (well not quite). Comments from experts welcome: 1) T antenna. Am I right in thinking that in the classical T configuration, the horizontal part of the aerial is only there to add capacity - i.e. it makes no contribution to the groundwave? If so, I assume that I can use very thin wire for the T? 2) In the more likely configuration with "horizontal" wires actually acting as an inverted V can I still use very thin wire without reducing performance? 3) Is there any benefit to be gained by having an inductor at the top of the vertical section of the T? If so, will the loss of the inductor be relevant if the part of the antenna above it (the T wires) don't contribute to useful radiation? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC091-b274a04651a318; Fri, 08 May 2009 13:00:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC063-b274a04651a318; Fri, 08 May 2009 13:00:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2TPu-0005eA-MZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:59:22 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2TPu-0005e1-5w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:59:22 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2TPs-0007z2-BY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:59:22 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao0GAHcBBEpOlV7E/2dsb2JhbACEUMwjgi2BUAU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.94.196]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 08 May 2009 17:59:13 +0100 Message-ID: <008301c9cffe$50615a50$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <88d2415e0905080655s4000e8fdyc08621bbb8686b45@mail.gmail.com> <005301c9cfee$2f3aab70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A0455FC.1000101@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:58:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Activity Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Where is our CONCERNED MAN ? now ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Activity > mal hamilton wrote: >> G3KEV, G3XIZ and G3DXZ are active nearly every day, also GI4DPE,GW3UEP >> and GW4HXO appear now and again plus others. >> I have heard you on the odd time but your signal is vy weak. >> > Mal > > I can hear you calling CQ on 500kHz right now. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2104 - Release Date: 05/08/09 06:34:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC081-b304a198801231; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:46:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC074-b304a198801231; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:46:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Hlu-0000Nc-Mm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:46:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Hlu-0000NT-B4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:46:06 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s10.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.210]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Hlr-00013g-Ed for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:46:05 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W49 ([64.4.56.149]) by BAY0-OMC3-S10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 24 May 2009 10:45:57 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:45:57 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2009 17:45:57.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E521210:01C9DC97] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b3d0ef3f-1fba-417a-813d-6bac9a5358dd_" Subject: RE: LF: SP2KDS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_b3d0ef3f-1fba-417a-813d-6bac9a5358dd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Marcin! I have called you, but nothing. Your signal is nice, I just see your CQ "OOO= ". Lubos, OK2BVG > From: bxi@go2.pl > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:39 +0200 > Subject: LF: SP2KDS >=20 > Dr LF Group! > We have now QRV 137,708kHz QRSS 3. >=20 > 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > SP2KDS Club >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Pou=BE=EDv=E1te Messenger? Pak tak=E9 pou=BE=EDv=E1te Windows Live. Chcete v= =ECd=ECt v=EDc?=20 http://www.microsoft.com/cze/windows/windowslive/=3D --_b3d0ef3f-1fba-417a-813d-6bac9a5358dd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Marcin!
I have called you, but nothing. Your signal is nice, I just= see your CQ "OOO".

Lubos, OK2BVG

> From: bxi@go2.pl
>= ; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:39 += 0200
> Subject: LF: SP2KDS
>
> Dr LF Group!
> We ha= ve now QRV 137,708kHz QRSS 3.
>
> 73! Marcin SQ2BXI
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Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z= Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde! =3D --_b3d0ef3f-1fba-417a-813d-6bac9a5358dd_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD012-9004a09d35d3cc; Tue, 12 May 2009 15:52:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD048-9004a09d35d3cc; Tue, 12 May 2009 15:51:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3y0S-0005b8-MC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:51:16 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3y0S-0005az-5y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:51:16 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3y0Q-0007Ih-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:51:16 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkoGAMdvCUpOluEC/2dsb2JhbACCJi2BfYc+BsIWhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.225.2]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 20:50:05 +0100 Message-ID: <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 20:48:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 acty Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C9D343.11358700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C9D343.11358700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Dave Several UK stns active at present around 502.5 daylight, hi speed cw, too ea= rly for DX. The trouble at present are the long daylight hours for DX. Middle of night would be best over here but we all asleep by then hi I can hear the usual chorous of EU beacons on 505 day and nite. Sri I cannot= help at present. Gl with ur DX=20 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dave.riley3=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 acty Mel, Any net call ups on 502 - 7033 broadcast mode?? Picture us here in the new world on a ship and can only get back on 7mc. h= f... Give us a break, will ya... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: LF: 500 acty Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G3CWI and G3KEV all on hi speed CW. Mal/G3KEV ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09= 16:14:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C9D343.11358700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Dave

Several UK stns active at present around 50= 2.5=20 daylight, hi speed cw, too early for DX. The trouble at present are the long= =20 daylight hours for DX.

Middle of night would be best over here but= we all=20 asleep by then hi

I can hear the usual chorous of EU beacons=20= on 505=20 day and nite. Sri I cannot help at present.

Gl with ur DX

73 mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

dave.riley3

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:35 PM=

Subject: LF: Re: 500 acty

Mel, Any net call ups on 502 - 7033 broadcast=20 mode??

Picture us here in the new world on a ship and= can=20 only get back on 7mc. hf...

Give us a break, will ya...

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 m= al=20 hamilton

To: rsgb=

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:21=20 PM

Subject: LF: 500 acty

Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G3C= WI and=20 G3KEV all on hi speed CW.

Mal/G3KEV

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Releas= e=20 Date: 05/11/09 16:14:00
------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C9D343.11358700-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF013-58e4a17b379f9; Sat, 23 May 2009 04:27:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF117-58e4a17b379f9; Sat, 23 May 2009 04:27:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7mZJ-0002VV-4m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:27:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7mZI-0002VM-Lt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:27:00 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7mZD-0003gA-7Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:26:59 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuUFAD1QF0pcGmkw/2dsb2JhbACCJC6CAodCBoFJxFiECwU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.26.105.48]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 09:26:47 +0100 Message-ID: <003401c9db80$36bea390$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <8CBA943F0C92715-A70-10C3@WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:26:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: CQ DX 500k Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C9DB88.983DEC40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_30_40, HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C9DB88.983DEC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David That sounds good. I have found 7Mhz good to to the USA evening and night tim= e. I have not tried 10 Mhz but it could be useful to avoid contest acty. Good luck=20 de Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g0mrf@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; G1KAW@aol.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:29 PM Subject: LF: CQ DX 500k Hi all. Can anyone on the East Coast USA comment of the state of 501 -504kHz for t= ransatlantic reception? I have confirmed availability of a large field in East Sussex for this Sun= day night for some portable operation. If I have to select a frequency, then I may as well choose a clear one pos= sibly in the mid - upper portion of the band say 503.1 One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well establish= ed 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. - So may have to go to 10MHz for that, o= r we do have 400W + 16 ele on 2m at 600 ft ASL which should be fine for ON /= F / PA western DL. Locator will be JO00EW near Dallington East Sussex. Power 0 - 250 Watts, antenna dependent. - Aim +10dBW peak ERP Main purpose of this trip is the antenna experiment, but it would be nice=20= to make some CW / QRSS3 QSOs too. Site location can be seen here. http://www.vhfdx.net/callbook/gmap.php?Lan=3DE&Call=3DG1KAW/P&Loc=3DJO00EW phone / text 07958502540. e-mail g0mrf@aol.com. Internet available on si= te. Thanks David ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Click here to get the very best of AOL, including news, sport, gossip, lif= estyles updates and email.=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.36/2127 - Release Date: 05/21/09= 17:51:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C9DB88.983DEC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
David

That sounds good. I have found 7Mhz good to= to the=20 USA evening and night time. I have not tried 10 Mhz but it could be useful t= o=20 avoid contest acty.

Good luck

de Mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

g0mrf@aol.com <= /DIV>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org ;=20 G1KAW@aol.com <= /DIV>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:29 PM=

Subject: LF: CQ DX 500k

= Hi=20 all.

Can anyone on the East Coast USA comment of the state of 501 -504kHz=20= for=20 transatlantic reception?

I have confirmed availability of a large field in East Sussex for thi= s=20 Sunday night for some portable operation.

If I have to select a frequency, then I may as well choose a clear on= e=20 possibly in the mid - upper portion of the band say 503.1

One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well=20 established 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. - So may have to go to 10MHz=20= for=20 that, or we do have 400W + 16 ele on 2m at 600 ft ASL which should=20 be fine for ON / F / PA western DL.

Locator will be JO00EW nea= r=20 Dallington East Sussex.
Power 0 - 250 Watts, antenna dependent. - Aim=20 +10dBW peak ERP

Main purpose of this trip is the antenna=20 experiment, but it would be nice to make some CW / QRSS3 QSOs too.

= Site=20 location can be seen here.
http://www.vhfdx.net/= callbook/gmap.php?Lan=3DE&Call=3DG1KAW/P&Loc=3DJO00EW

pho= ne=20 / text 07958502540. e-mail g0mrf@aol.com. Internet available on=20 site.

Thanks

David

Click here t= o get=20 the very best of AOL, including news, sport, gossip, lifestyles updates an= d=20 email.

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.36/2127 - Releas= e=20 Date: 05/21/09 17:51:00
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C9DB88.983DEC40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc04.mx.aol.com (rly-mc04.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.88]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC023-d6e4a0c3c272c1; Thu, 14 May 2009 11:43:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC046-d6e4a0c3c272c1; Thu, 14 May 2009 11:43:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4d5E-0006yu-Vj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:42:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4d5E-0006yl-Hj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:42:56 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f180.google.com ([209.85.219.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4d5A-0000R6-8J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:42:55 +0100 Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so1934484ewy.4 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 08:42:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/JM+NW7YdJC5dntY1EDJx+GXfPKG+nSVS133uoA4hts=; b=TcGws+x06RcR4GSBVkyOVsv6BwFOxx82bbEqf93+83VULH7/9qHMV7U3Q0DUM0Q1va 5hiRDCssh95Wirn8V9R9/qgtJT6BUDGgpRVQiFK6QVsQISDi96ojNqIr5d2UkYosV5Du sTi/Q59VcQERvPzWzGHr0wSvG880dSIU1yG4g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=iKithI3ucN4CGBdDju8HI026vb5KXUklQzUetr9ioXo/7kHNjUhKemyWFN/jCo8FIs YfiTGY32coHYPEanbmivfuGUcqR8A3WOnXPaCRbqXB0RpQzlJQHqFtoVjIIVJFAdcylU S0Uzg7H0e8rWXA/TphcVsi4smjC/IchUmDF/Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.73.85 with SMTP id u63mr950141wed.37.1242315766253; Thu, 14 May 2009 08:42:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <007201c9d4a3$7221df30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> <006401c9d3f0$729cf2f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A0B0633.4040302@btconnect.com> <007201c9d4a3$7221df30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:42:46 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410905140842j1abe6f46h464674c2e658aaeb@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502d377f24a9c0469e12de7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m271.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00504502d377f24a9c0469e12de7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Finbar and Rog run their beacons around 501.3, I don't think you'll upset anyone down there! Dave. 2009/5/14 mal hamilton > Richard > The data modes were causing you QRM and taking up 1 khz Bandwidth as well. > Draw your own conclusions. > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz > > > > mal hamilton wrote: >> >>> Richard >>> Your Beacon is in the middle of the CW qso area. If possible move to >>> the low band edge. >>> mal/g3kev >>> >>> >>> Hi Mal >> >> Comment noted. It was where the data tests were the other night so I >> thought it might be OK (it is narrower than they were). Where would folk >> recommend for tests of this sort? >> >> 73 >> >> Richard >> G3CWI >> >> >> -- >> SOTA Beams >> Quality products for Radio Amateurs >> http://www.sotabeams.co.uk >> >> Tel: 01625-425700 >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.27/2111 - Release Date: 05/12/09 > 18:03:00 > > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --00504502d377f24a9c0469e12de7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Finbar and Rog run their beacons around 501.3, I don't think you'll=20= upset anyone down there!

Dave.

2009= /5/14 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>

Richard
The data modes were causing you QRM and taking up 1 khz Bandwidth as well. Draw your own conclusions.
de mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" <g3cwi@btconnect.com>= ;
To: <rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz

mal hamilton wrote:

Richard
Your Beacon is in the middle of the CW qso area. If possible move to
the low band edge.
mal/g3kev

Hi Mal

Comment noted. It was where the data tests were the other night so I
thought it might be OK (it is narrower than they were). Where would folk
recommend for tests of this sort?

73

Richard
G3CWI

--
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Tel: 01625-425700

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--00504502d377f24a9c0469e12de7-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD053-8e24a0d1cde53; Fri, 15 May 2009 03:42:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD012-8e24a0d1cde53; Fri, 15 May 2009 03:42:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4s2a-0006j9-Cf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 08:41:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4s2Z-0006j0-Sm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 08:41:11 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4s2X-0004w8-FN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 08:41:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 57787 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 07:41:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=3RC6R9sLhHHykc9jPOLkXbV/FR+HGHwdb2oOl9Fdu+z50QDFmwC/mxpyw7pvmIdOFCe77s6cXPHviQ+2dQsq8SMBPW2LTk9/5vo5zjyae3dYAGgUz1huvn30bjiM2mmj4r5ONpG9ML/x5SV5gT7u4YKO/iwV0rdNeM3ejiNMOrI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.107.129 with login) by smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 07:41:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fszMIWkVM1mhdRIX9Q9Xf5EmCln.F97BeIdf7qyC7VkKqCM319yY5sbxWlM6cxMWM0Auy7rKGTqmAK.rjlU_jgn1LFKomGQfeogXs.QdAFofd7QbLLlxT21lDslvXV.gtgVQj1pCNusphVWQUGXrbV7h.9A1rvVEhXae4nc8k0DlGVudaMEVxtc9nE1oq9zuUW4SGWsXKPLN4Mii.l4A686V9Jdnqm08xedCEoSQbJKnz4Jr_stlUvmq2U0.5pBJsffcgOpiPEAbWNZunL_PPfbS9i_eMYrUTAVoWkBfeurREuqoIWaXUPGl X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <152A38FB9B49447A89485DB3D8D11C07@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <30FAE8BC34DF4B8695573FED392DE716@JimPC> <012601c9d4e1$add2c010$1c00a8c0@d600> In-Reply-To: <012601c9d4e1$add2c010$1c00a8c0@d600> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:41:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, The WSPR beacon closed down at 0700utc. Thanks for the reports overnight. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-d404a212e39225; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:02:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB124-d404a212e39225; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:01:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAOBN-00019h-Nq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:01:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAOBN-00019Y-5f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:01:05 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f170.google.com ([209.85.217.170]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAOBK-00009u-Sd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:01:05 +0100 Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so8837416gxk.4 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:00:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=tj0W+U4mqhUvJgVGCPuRMvTX1PoxtkeewJcbukdnRJE=; b=O/LqVofE32ae+qXkQdnzl55IVjZOlv/RTVYKBjMdpNrbcGxBSdF/rJOtWMnnr2bTKn pE63ut0iO1ogHvEptkxrKPrN48Ltt0oZP0YAN9Elm91wT+l8tmr+OmM6ko2/POT5G4Ii M7Kn3MttSgV7kLzIB55e7WluRroXMoky4lPcI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=JADL0pB/3af/gK9hWcZ6o950sEaVFpwUy1ZTVEBubv9ItvT/JHAsXvc6D/3PLSBoVR Xx5RXD1lGgWleXcOZTlmU6uKx1IgeuOi09296JTr/p71gR5qnn6A2M/pEQmJa18cmAzD tvQ4YeYU7UQZcBcd1S6e8fUQRwwHUUu7Cj2g4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.158.9 with SMTP id k9mr7451519ybo.53.1243688455743; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:00:55 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905300600w2b737336p5d1d8011d26c9501@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_SHORT_LENGTH=0.629 Subject: LF: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174ff5a49dab14046b20c851 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d232.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174ff5a49dab14046b20c851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanks for all the replies to my query. Looks like QuartzLab is best bet. 73 Laurie --0015174ff5a49dab14046b20c851 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanks for all the replies to my query.
Looks like QuartzLab is best bet.
73 Laurie
--0015174ff5a49dab14046b20c851-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF021-9414a0e81ce125; Sat, 16 May 2009 05:05:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF017-9414a0e81ce125; Sat, 16 May 2009 05:05:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5Foj-0001bS-SI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:04:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5Foj-0001bJ-BI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:04:29 +0100 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.153]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5Fof-0005Sm-QI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:04:28 +0100 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1372273ywk.64 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 02:03:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=a/izVQRSDOl2R50VzreaTvMJDA6LPg9/UBwr0ndesxE=; b=FkEShsoULed0whzPWmh+yn8hznJRUXsts5u1Gf9aClajUDpayW7RjLS1OGhl/ipt9G oHtLP99mbleB626e0P1dy+Wn2qks012YeDYxyz/Hr8oee/0jX9T3af8sb+MjlL33Ke2Z h0HEjAZNi23RBujku72akNU4ixsiGJGn3MOfU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ij5eQ1PSXK4uHBHKM7C0x1bYGIKW6584c+4+wgfYNnYD1+NcQ87c3cQBv4wMn1pzgM wmul+ev9+U9OTZ2HoziiDTa7f1CmNv6FHwZjjXUQ9E6SCMGwa5N0EkVNSQ6qOxKJIcs9 VScT5zSDbnfQxvU4Ahj9z7KSku/5ZGFaGsMaU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.73.10 with SMTP id a10mr7801529ybl.126.1242464604205; Sat, 16 May 2009 02:03:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1242429806.11120.6.camel@pat-desktop-dell> References: <007a01c9d58f$45a60e80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <1242429806.11120.6.camel@pat-desktop-dell> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:03:24 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905160203m1bbdd75bic052166eaa50566a@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: BC-221-T Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001b24be19506132d3046a03d525 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d233.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001b24be19506132d3046a03d525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I can probably still use a BC221 having used them at Hanslope Park in the 40's to set uo HRO's so that German stations that we were monitoring could be found. I still have one in the loft but not in such good order as Mal's I am afraid. 73 Laurie 2009/5/16 pat gillen > Mal, Alan 3nyk and myself were just discussing those a couple of days > ago. We wondered how many of us were left who knew how to use a BC221 or > similar het. unit. Don't think I can quite qualify as being old enough > to have known the man who made yours though. Better question, however, > is can you still read the initials on the cal charts? > > > > > On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 19:59 +0100, mal hamilton wrote: > > I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would make a nice OSC/driver for MF. > > It is mint condx but has not been used for years. Some will be > > familiar with this unit, vintage WWII made in the USA (ZENITH RADIO > > CORPORATION CHICAGO) Maybe someone knows the man that made it !! > > > > mal/g3kev > > > -- > 73 de Pat G4GVW > QTH Nr. Felixstowe > (East Coast of UK) > > > --001b24be19506132d3046a03d525 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,
I can probably still use a BC221 having used them at Hanslope Par= k in the 40's to set uo
HRO's so that German stations that we we= re monitoring could be found. I still have one in
the loft but not in suc= h good order as Mal's I am afraid.
73 Laurie

2009/5/16 pat gillen <g4gvw@aol.com>
Mal, Alan 3nyk and myself were just discussing those a couple of days
ago. We wondered how many of us were left who knew how to use a BC221 or
similar het. unit. Don't think I can quite qualify as being old enough to have known the man who made yours though. Better question, however,
is can you still read the initials on the cal charts?

On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 19:59 +0100, mal hamilton wrote:
> I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would make a nice OSC/driver for MF.<= br> > It is mint condx but has not been used for years. Some will be
> familiar with this unit, vintage WWII made in the USA (ZENITH RADIO
> CORPORATION CHICAGO) Maybe someone knows the man that made it !!
>
> mal/g3kev
>

--
73 de Pat G4GVW
QTH Nr. Felixstowe
(East Coast of UK)

--001b24be19506132d3046a03d525-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (rly-mb10.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.168]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB041-d2e4a01b43c86; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:01:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB102-d2e4a01b43c86; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:01:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jXn-0006PR-E9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:00:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jXn-0006PI-2P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:00:27 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1jXj-0004Qa-RV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:00:26 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhQFAKNQAUpOlrtw/2dsb2JhbACCJS6BfYc7BsUyhAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.187.112]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 06 May 2009 17:00:18 +0100 Message-ID: <008501c9ce63$c07ecf30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:59:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Decca 5501Jeep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01C9CE6B.F82FE240" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C9CE6B.F82FE240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The old decca Jeep 5501 cannot strand LMCW 120, 240 or dfcw for long, 3 or 1= 0 sec dot or normal cw is about their limit on full power. I have 2 units (6 modules) but prefer my home brew with robust FETS on 137 K= hz. I likewise have a h/brew fet pa for 500 Khz class E and it is virtually inde= structable when correctly adjusted using a scope. =20 G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C9CE6B.F82FE240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The old decca Jeep 5501 cannot strand LMCW=20= 120, 240=20 or dfcw for long, 3 or 10 sec dot or normal cw is about their limit on full=20 power.

I have 2 units (6 modules) but prefer my ho= me brew=20 with robust FETS on 137 Khz.

I likewise have a h/brew fet pa for 500&nbs= p;Khz=20 class E and it is virtually indestructable when correctly adjusted usin= g a=20 scope.

G3KEV
------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C9CE6B.F82FE240-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG084-5f34a0c90d931d; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:45:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG098-5f34a0c90d931d; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:44:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4iit-00021s-Ov for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:44:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4iit-00021j-A1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:44:15 +0100 Received: from mout3.freenet.de ([195.4.92.93]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4iis-0002mx-HF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:44:15 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.16] (helo=6.mx.freenet.de) by mout3.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #88) id 1M4iiq-00058I-MR; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:44:12 +0200 Received: from w16e4.w.pppool.de ([89.58.22.228]:1892 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 6.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M4iin-0000rO-Ki; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:44:12 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Cc: "'Gus'" References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2><010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com><833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> <20090513225952.e2nk4cqpm9kwokc4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> <51B7F2FA87A84383BB1A2166E4DF2A02@2a2d7ed321c6425> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 23:44:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcnUEWoSo3bemmHVQM61YgPyLViMZQAy3wng In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: AW: Re: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BLANK_LINES_70_80 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Gus, Again solid copy (54) in JN59LN this evening!!! Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI ====================== > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (rly-mf09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.179]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF043-9824a0548b6221; Sat, 09 May 2009 05:11:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF098-9824a0548b6221; Sat, 09 May 2009 05:11:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2iZd-0001LD-My for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 10:10:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2iZd-0001L4-4m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 10:10:25 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.73]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2iZb-0004kF-KR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 10:10:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 9815 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 09:09:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=NK5XPvY1sjbVuKZUX1EP0aQd3T1reHliZsD1fx4X7+R4oMx25JH4eANqY1Dwf/YBRDiFjehIj09Z4JmdujtgiQHnB+VRlF9c/onZYKUCmZ1Cvio3m0kYP6SiUHZFZUJ+vRauYokQZWwQuFsUkIijIXxz1McqwIGeZFKhSfmBHsM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.106.68 with login) by smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 09:09:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b.h4350VM1lICXlxNpTfUQ82ivjnNmwDBY6WjGlZJ_BG8Z9bBL77uvxfKN7elp.SyOWQcY8nOwmLAbAdNBkgnOcoah7x4_xOAbxhv8V4sf4J.8Q6VEASAIevO2RbXwMbfbXJhK0v32UcHHwWrOLJ7f4o8i0wMQMzWzU0kf_7n_fJMOfhM6_G53OzSs_pRXICIp14Dwqb1Fpsq6kSDApm9snDhmQTZ47kVcxMxLdbLfYImsXANSbXtsV83Jbv2dNA7ylqBBJjKi2VOsBgNE2Azq9XAbYrnve65vo5ejxFgDxhKOqBe0tHiMi9l_p3MM3afx5VfSfzDmbq6uXD78.1uciB X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <884ECEF9F7E84BE6AA746658BACD7BC0@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> <4A053B34.6050807@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A053B34.6050807@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 10:09:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Richard, With only about 40 odd NoVs in existence, and not all active, there probably are not many within 100km of you! But rather more than 100km is not unusual during daytime, so don't worry too much. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:13 AM Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable > Richard Newstead wrote: >> >> Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in >> Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? >> > Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I also play)? > Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (rly-mb02.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.155]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB014-cf44a10e479380; Mon, 18 May 2009 00:31:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB028-cf44a10e479380; Mon, 18 May 2009 00:30:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5uU0-0006ra-Mx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 05:29:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5uU0-0006rR-4x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 05:29:48 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.37]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5uTy-0000lG-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 05:29:47 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W11 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 17 May 2009 21:29:19 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.244.2] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:29:19 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4A1086FB.3050401@ukonline.co.uk> References: <4A1086FB.3050401@ukonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2009 04:29:19.0762 (UTC) FILETIME=[3636FF20:01C9D771] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_91b2558c-f1a4-472b-986a-b03a82fe988b_" Subject: RE: LF: JA ops X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_91b2558c-f1a4-472b-986a-b03a82fe988b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Peter - Very good, and Im sure it will be very well received. =20 Ive pointed Hiroshi to all the well known sites, but I know (and remember) h= ow daunting it must be/seem, and I think Ed has also been doing the same, th= ough that might have been another JA. =20 Still, Hiroshi's transmitting on 136.9 CW and Ive left my grabber on there=20= on slow speed to see if I can detect anything after dusk tonight - its a +-2= 000Kms all water path save Korea and a bumpy bit as it crosses Japan - as h= es on the East Coast, and yes Ill have the volume up as well... =20 WE2XPQ =20 Hoping to be active one way or another from home in Alaska in the middle of=20= June and will get something up in the air for 500 and 137kHz, thats if the m= oose and the bear leave me alone, togther with my other more pressing duties= . Ill have some noise mitigation to do but it isnt a bad start as we nixed t= he crud from DSL by filtering it as it comes out of the ground last time aro= und. That was making a mess of 500kHz. =20 Mal - I dont think Ill scare him off on the 10W ERP requirement! =20 Laurence KL1X in BY3A http://kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg =20 =20 > Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 22:51:55 +0100 > From: g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: JA ops >=20 > Hi Laurence, > It takes time and experience to learn how to get any sort of signal=20 > from very electrically small antennas and there has been very little=20 > information in Japanese on this subject. > I recall when working with Mike G3XDV at the RSGB we waited in vain for=20 > articles on LF after NOVs were issued in 1997 for 73kHz. From the=20 > pioneering work of G3XDV, G2AJV and G4JNT (to name but a few) signals=20 > only started to be heard on the band six or seven months after the NOVs=20 > were issued. > This should soon change. > I have been working with Taizo Arakawa, JA3AER to produce articles on=20 > the subject in the Japanese magazine CQ Ham Radio. > The first one was a general interest article '136kHz in the UK and=20 > Europe', published in April 1999. > Because the release of the 136kHz to Japanese amateurs was imminent I=20 > was asked do write a practical 'How to get started on 136kHz'. This was=20 > published in CQ Ham Radio May 2009. This also tended to be rather broad=20 > and general so a more detailed follow up article on the problems of=20 > using an electrically small antennas and the design of loading coils has=20 > been submitted. > I can put copies of these articles on my web site if anyone is=20 > interested but I guess I will first have to get the permission of the=20 > CQ Ham Radio editor. > The Japanese call this new band the 135kHz band. >=20 > Regards >=20 > Peter, G3LDO > > Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites=20 > > - fyi 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A > > From: ja3vqw Hiroshi > > Hi Laurence > > Thanks for your e-mail. > > Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho)=20 > > last month. > > I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO=20 > > with any station. > > I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz. > > So if you find my signal please QSL me. > > My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W. > > The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long. > > > > >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009=3D --_91b2558c-f1a4-472b-986a-b03a82fe988b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Peter - Very good, and Im sure it will be very well received.
Ive pointed Hiroshi to all the well known sites, but I know (and rememb= er) how daunting it must be/seem, and I think Ed has also been doing the sam= e, though that might have been another JA.

Still, Hiroshi's transmitting on 136.9 CW and Ive left my grabber on t= here on slow speed to see if I can detect anything after dusk tonight -= its a +-2000Kms all water path save Korea and a bumpy bit as it crosse= s Japan - as hes on the East Coast, and yes Ill have the volume up as=20= well...

WE2XPQ

Hoping to be active one way or another from home in Alaska in the middle of=20= June and will get something up in the air for 500 and 137kHz, thats if the m= oose and the bear leave me alone, togther with my other more pressing duties= . Ill have some noise mitigation to do but it isnt a bad start as we nixed t= he crud from DSL by filtering it as it comes out of the ground last time aro= und. That was making a mess of 500kHz.

Mal - I dont think Ill scare him off on the 10W ERP requirement!

Laurence KL1X in BY3A
http://kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg

> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 22:51:55 +0100
> From: g3ldo= @ukonline.co.uk
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re= : LF: JA ops
>
> Hi Laurence,
> It takes time and experie= nce to learn how to get any sort of signal
> from very electrically s= mall antennas and there has been very little
> information in Japanes= e on this subject.
> I recall when working with Mike G3XDV at the RSGB= we waited in vain for
> articles on LF after NOVs were issued in 199= 7 for 73kHz. From the
> pioneering work of G3XDV, G2AJV and G4JNT (to= name but a few) signals
> only started to be heard on the band six o= r seven months after the NOVs
> were issued.
> This should soon= change.
> I have been working with Taizo Arakawa, JA3AER to produce a= rticles on
> the subject in the Japanese magazine CQ Ham Radio.
&g= t; The first one was a general interest article '136kHz in the UK and
&g= t; Europe', published in April 1999.
> Because the release of the 136k= Hz to Japanese amateurs was imminent I
> was asked do write a practic= al 'How to get started on 136kHz'. This was
> published in CQ Ham Rad= io May 2009. This also tended to be rather broad
> and general so a m= ore detailed follow up article on the problems of
> using an electric= ally small antennas and the design of loading coils has
> been submit= ted.
> I can put copies of these articles on my web site if anyone is=20=
> interested but I guess I will first have to get the permission of t= he
> CQ Ham Radio editor.
> The Japanese call this new band the= 135kHz band.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter, G3LDO
>= > Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites=
> > - fyi 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A
> > From: ja3vq= w Hiroshi
> > Hi Laurence
> > Thanks for your e-mail.
&= gt; > Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho= )
> > last month.
> > I make CQ many times everyday aroun= d 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO
> > with any station.
> &g= t; I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz.
> > So if yo= u find my signal please QSL me.
> > My TX is modified IC-731 output= 25W.
> > The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long.
> ><= BR>> > <http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT= _TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009>
>
>

= Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. Check it ou= t. =3D --_91b2558c-f1a4-472b-986a-b03a82fe988b_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-57049fb3238ce; Fri, 01 May 2009 13:32:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF087-57049fb3238ce; Fri, 01 May 2009 13:32:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LzwZi-0003zT-GO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:31:02 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LzwZi-0003zK-4T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:31:02 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LzwZg-0000ML-9y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:31:02 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQFACzP+klZ8h+b/2dsb2JhbACCKCuBeoc7BsNpg30F Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.31.155]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 01 May 2009 18:30:52 +0100 Message-ID: <003e01c9ca82$9398e580$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:29:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: QSO 137 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9CA8A.C5D46B20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9CA8A.C5D46B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone in QSO mode this weekend on 137=20 mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9CA8A.C5D46B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone in QSO mode this weekend on 13= 7=20

mal/g3kev

------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C9CA8A.C5D46B20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD092-9234a0899f1265; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:34:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD093-9234a0899f1265; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:34:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3d8T-0006ZS-Il for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:34:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3d8T-0006ZJ-8D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:34:09 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3d8P-0000vb-Tx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:34:08 +0100 thread-index: AcnSgDJF3eO5HomSRSeVuUOFyr44sQ== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:33:59 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> <4A0897AD.4070301@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0897AD.4070301@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:33:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard, Thank's for info. Beacon run, maybe it can come over the noise later on ;-) 73 de Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:25 PM Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon > Gus wrote: >> */Dear LF group,/* >> *//* >> */I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB./* >> */Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include..../* >> */Reports are wellcome./* >> *//* >> */73 de Gus SM6BHZ/* > Very high QRN levels here tonight on 500kHz Gus. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (rly-mg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.109]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG032-a064a1aca8c29f; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:43:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG038-a064a1aca8c29f; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:42:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8dFf-00058q-Iv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:42:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8dFf-00058h-7H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:42:15 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.73]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8dFd-0005nv-6r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:42:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 47444 invoked from network); 25 May 2009 16:42:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=QNn/J/Cr2QN7tDn0qPrz4x7+pr2fwJPDxlKTHtrbhUi1mcRdxvmS9cHYBq1hf9TQbIH3lSdNfdDYYaRqCJWz0esNR76CdXE2Wdq3wYB1fdDJizfvYrP3ADgKGjNSkMhc6u8NK5+v0tohjmMdpnNrFClUgewPB+c1inbe9TlA+6s= ; Received: from unknown (HELO 64683d74b6134b3) (robertgjbennett@86.145.142.210 with login) by smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2009 16:42:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nM5YMY8VM1n5PrOg9dluAsDLlgJGhGR0NDK4N9IzMG4x.SvprqmFYAQm6nkOo_Q5k6DwR.hyZD44BrZZ2x1FqrCw4ya4bS7vhGqUbA1EQ72Er5UfsNlBszdtngCxqYAk89QN0TPFW0YWit6xgQlsFV4hfbYyHeh_WuYCl9bE7AaT3a8HCksqTnhXZijgKWtG4kPuxKY2Cun3D3HreLIXiDBWCxmwb5OAZmA3nctIR8kOyLtNnBywnGa8dleHMyLmULO8D_lBswrHJhkEe49G X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <84EEB64668A34793A28A4B2B3E8DACE6@64683d74b6134b3> From: "Robert Bennett" To: References: <4A19A7E4.4030606@btconnect.com> <84D65F58F723418B8DC8672A3B10C875@64683d74b6134b3> <4A1AB588.2070603@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:42:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Monday activity 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Sorry Richard, brain (if there is one) slipped a cog! 73 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (rly-dg08.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.92]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG072-5e34a067b6c360; Sun, 10 May 2009 03:00:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG082-5e34a067b6c360; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:59:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M330C-0006D7-6I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:59:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M330B-0006Cy-Ls for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:59:11 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr03.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.121]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3302-00074W-Ox for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:59:11 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2bthomr03.btconnect.com with ESMTP id BOX08180; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:58:57 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A067B34.9060701@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 07:59:00 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr03.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.4A067B31.0106,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) James Moritz wrote: > Dear Gary, LF Group, > > You are S5 here at the moment in a the rising QRN. Also can see G0NBD > and OR7T attempting a QSO in MSK4 - Rik's signal is just about visible > on the waterfall, but will have to wait until I have completed > noise-cancelling improvements before I will stand a chance of copying > it here. G4JNT's beacon is also a good signal. > > Earlier, I had a CW QSO with G3XIZ, and this morning with Dennis, > M0JXM, who was a new one for me. > Jim I heard you and G3XIZ well in IO83wg (both 559). G4WGT was strong (599) G0NBD was also strong (589). The Swedish beacon on 500 was 549. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME044-9c84a184c9836e; Sat, 23 May 2009 15:21:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME074-9c84a184c9836e; Sat, 23 May 2009 15:20:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7wlA-0004o8-Mn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 20:19:56 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7wlA-0004nz-5g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 20:19:56 +0100 Received: from imr-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.159.7]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7wl5-0006TY-Fe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 20:19:56 +0100 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a184c43246; Sat, 23 May 2009 15:19:31 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.bfc.5b998a0d (34893) for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 15:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.149]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA012-5c674a184c3937f; Sat, 23 May 2009 15:19:25 -0400 Received: from webmail-mf12 (webmail-mf12.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.225]) by smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB025-5c674a184c3937f; Sat, 23 May 2009 15:19:21 -0400 References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 15:19:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g0mrf@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42951-STANDARD Received: from 87.80.206.159 by webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.225) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 23 May 2009 15:19:22 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBA9F282F0E172-BD8-2E43@webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: First Portable Trip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBA9F282FCCD43_BD8_5E0B_webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CBA9F282FCCD43_BD8_5E0B_webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Richard. I've used a system similar to yours with some success.? Mine, now dismantled, is detailed at http://www.g0mrf.com/500kAntenna.htm It was a 10m mast with a very small 3m top section. Power in 7.5W PEP. 100km was no problem 24/7 with good conditions it made it to ON and PA.? With very good conditions it made it to?the Scotish Islands at apx 800km but that was rare. The photo shows a variometer in series with a fixed coil in series with another fixed coil which was connected to ground at the bottom end.? Despite all these turns of wire, the 50 ohm match was only a few turns up from the ground end. Hope that helps. David -----Original Message----- From: Richard Newstead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:06 Subject: LF: First Portable Trip Not a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed against 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very low - within 1 metre of the ground.? ? Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping the feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q dramatically and the RX and TX performance were very poor. In configurations where the RX performance was good and the Q high, there was little on no aerial current on transmit. The only configuration that gave some antenna current was nearly useless on receive. Connecting a radial to a metal fence detuned things so much that I go nowhere like that.? ? Heard GW0HXO's beacon at reasonable strength and GW3UEP's beacon - just. Called CQ quite a few times. No takers.? ? Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible "line-timebase" type burble drifting across band.? ? Clearly more work required to get a viable system. Tips?? ? 73? ? Richard? G3CWI? ? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ----------MB_8CBA9F282FCCD43_BD8_5E0B_webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi Richard.

I've used a system similar to yours with some success. Mine, now dismantled, is detailed at

http://www.g0mrf.com/500kAntenna.htm

It was a 10m mast with a very small 3m top section. Power in 7.5W PEP.
100km was no problem 24/7 with good conditions it made it to ON and PA. With very good conditions it made it to the Scotish Islands at apx 800km but that was rare.

The photo shows a variometer in series with a fixed coil in series with another fixed coil which was connected to ground at the bottom end. Despite all these turns of wire, the 50 ohm match was only a few turns up from the ground end.

Hope that helps.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Newstead <g3cwi@btconnect.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:06
Subject: LF: First Portable Trip

Not a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed against 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very low - within 1 metre of the ground.

Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping the feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q dramatically and the RX and TX performance were very poor. In configurations where the RX performance was good and the Q high, there was little on no aerial current on transmit. The only configuration that gave some antenna current was nearly useless on receive. Connecting a radial to a metal fence detuned things so much that I go nowhere like that.

Heard GW0HXO's beacon at reasonable strength and GW3UEP's beacon - just. Called CQ quite a few times. No takers.

Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible "line-timebase" type burble drifting across band.

Clearly more work required to get a viable system. Tips?

73

Richard
G3CWI

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----------MB_8CBA9F282FCCD43_BD8_5E0B_webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD023-9244a053bad1d1; Sat, 09 May 2009 04:16:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD094-9244a053bad1d1; Sat, 09 May 2009 04:15:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2hhw-00014c-Gv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 09:14:56 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2hhw-00014T-4i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 09:14:56 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr07.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.185]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2hht-0004T5-WA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 09:14:56 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr07.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CMK09969; Sat, 9 May 2009 09:13:33 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A053B34.6050807@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 09:13:40 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A033D71.3010105@btconnect.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr07.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020A.4A053B2D.0298,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Richard Newstead wrote: > > Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in > Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? > Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I also play)? Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (rly-mb10.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.168]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB021-d344a191ddf29b; Sun, 24 May 2009 06:14:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB108-d344a191ddf29b; Sun, 24 May 2009 06:13:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8AhY-0007EB-90 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:13:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8AhX-0007E2-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:13:07 +0100 Received: from smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.234]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8AhU-0007Ai-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:13:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 52008 invoked from network); 24 May 2009 10:12:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=HN1c77XrY/8CQ7yZ6S2ijB5iij7EHxZs1eVDMnzIuOGsHvFE/NTUVMjgtVvS5qokVUftmD+IdkHUL5pHwCug83lRFLskda0WvDyWYGuaBbukCH8ALj8ZHoE/mVKT97UjqXV2a/c/ORwQQd2enza9ZGRueXF8oPFVvHke02L3MN0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 10:12:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ogUQuz0VM1mAFTmeFRtY3YvowcDVJhR8KUW3qKrK3rtgcaVzGTXcf.3.3.y2DyQiGcNZ7LigBCygHz3GVFlVwHwmGblSuOj_U4Q38x1gCa5a1oFInhRiF2rSZjMX97g1HYYYVNxS.X2OtH.Hqytw5c2cKXxZRN4qIStina7HJZEhpaQMTfYaklRgdiQDUP5Nz4E_VQOwq_GDTzgjvjpAWlgC0IuvT50ltKgL7IPXawMmfbFw4NSJDTuZCUUiWF_f8sNXHNpvLUc4VDn.29UK_x6.KSo7lkMKLTHFFlDF0ZXQYg5WtCYAk0yx7_EvSBQBLXtxZYSqENgFq77d7Uu6G2lyJ3w- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:12:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Richard, LF Group, > Not a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed > against 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very > low - within 1 metre of the ground. > (Mal seems to have started something here - I have always thought of an inverted L as having a roughly horizontal span, rather than being a sloping wire!) To get the maximum effective height, radiation resistance and therefore efficiency, the important dimension of the antenna is height - essentially the average height of all the wire making up the antenna. The long section at very low height is therefore counterproductive - it will reduce the effective height, and also increase the loss resistance. So it would be better to eliminate the last 100ft or more, and increase the inductance of the loading coil. If it is necessary to have that overall length to reach an available fixing point or something, use non-conducting string. Also, with a single span of wire and a single mast, you will probably get greater average height if you support the wire in the middle in an inverted-V shape. I am not sure about the radials - there is a similar length of wire in the radials as there is in the antenna itself, so you could expect a significant RF voltage between the radials and the actual ground, which would not help matching or losses. Longer radials, more of them, or ground rods would probably be a good idea. > Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping > the feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q > dramatically The tapped loading coil type of antenna tuner with the TX connected to a low-impedance tap is one of those devices that looks appealingly simple, but isn't! The impedance match depends on the inductance of the complete loading coil, the inductance of the tapped section and the mutual inductance between the tapped section and the rest of the coil. These in turn depend on the shape, size and winding pitch of the coil as well as the number of turns. I made a spreadsheet that would calculate the impedance match for a tapped loading coil (downloadable from http://www.wireless.org.uk/features.htm), but suffice it to say that there are limits to the range of resistance that can be matched with a particular coil geometry. By "link configuration" I assume you mean the loading coil has a low impedance link winding over it, connected to the TX. This is similar to the tapped coil, but adds further variables into the mix, due to the different size and pitch of the link coil. I have not done the calculations for the link case, which will be similar to the tapped coil, but generally the mutual inductance will be less, which will reduce the maximum resistance that can be matched. What all this means is that it is quite possible that your coil has the correct inductance, but at the same time it is impossible to match the antenna resistance using it. This is likely if the antenna loss resistance is high; you need a "short, fat" loading coil (large diameter with fine winding pitch) to match a high resistance. I prefer to use a seperate loading coil and matching transformer; resistance and reactance are then almost independent of each other, and you only have to worry about the inductance of the coil and the turns ratio of the transformer. > Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible > "line-timebase" type burble drifting across band. This is a problem most of us have had - several portable expeditions have put out big signals, but not been able to receive much. I have spent much more time trying to get good reception than setting up TX antennas, and often it is not possible to get good transmission and reception with the same antenna. There is always a temptation to try to get QRV as soon as possible, but a bit of reconnaisance with a receiver first is always a good idea. Hope to hear you /P soon, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA023-8d14a01b98145; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:23:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA103-8d14a01b98145; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:23:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jtc-0006eY-JB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:23:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jtc-0006eP-6N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:23:00 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr05.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.183]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1jta-0005O1-60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:23:00 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr05.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CKN19938; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:22:50 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A01B95C.5020805@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 17:22:52 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <00a201c9ce65$850fe540$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <00a201c9ce65$850fe540$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr05.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0207.4A01B95B.00B0,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > Richard > Try a 12metre fiberglass telescopic pole to support an inv L using > wire size 1mm as long as possible. Use a matching network at the > bottom of the vertical part, coil in series to earth. Tap down coil > for resonance, tap coax up a few turns from earth end for best match, > lowest swr, braid of coax to earth. Use a couple of insulated radials > lying on ground and connected to coax earth. This method never fails > to work. > There are other methods but the above is vy efficient, light and > portable. > Thanks for the tips Mal. Maybe I could fly a kite to support the wire off the top of the pole. How long would the radials need to be to have some benefit? I need to calculate the required inductance to resonate the system - what's the best software to use no DOS here so can't easily use Reg FGQ's progs. I have been on 10GHz for the past year so 500kHz will make a nice change! 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG064-9f74a0c72181dd; Thu, 14 May 2009 15:33:51 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG021-9f74a0c72181dd; Thu, 14 May 2009 15:33:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4gg1-0000mQ-NT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:33:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4gg1-0000mH-73 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:33:09 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr08.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.186]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4gfx-0001u0-Vf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:33:08 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host81-155-60-146.range81-155.btcentralplus.com [81.155.60.146]) by c2beaomr08.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CLU13046; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:31:45 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0C71A3.9070307@btconnect.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:31:47 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr08.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0201.4A0C71A1.025E,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Beacon now on 501.6kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I have optimised the link coupling for my ATU and have a lot more antenna current. Reports very welcome. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF083-95e4a193b2d290; Sun, 24 May 2009 08:19:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF054-95e4a193b2d290; Sun, 24 May 2009 08:18:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Ceg-0007oE-SO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:18:18 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Ceg-0007o5-72 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:18:18 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Cee-0006im-AP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:18:18 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsFANfXGEpZ8+0p/2dsb2JhbACCJC6CAodCBoFJiwq3KIQLBQ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.243.237.41]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 13:18:06 +0100 Message-ID: <005001c9dc69$b1b47400$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <8CBA943F0C92715-A70-10C3@WEBMAIL-DZ38.sysops.aol.com> <003401c9db80$36bea390$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8CBA9CE8AFE47D8-12C4-2051@WEBMAIL-MY07.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:18:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: CQ DX 500k Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C9DC72.133877A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_30_40, HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C9DC72.133877A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David Are u in the FIELD yet?.I hope there no BLOCKAGE at the Dartford Tunnel or e= ven worse Watford gap. I would like to hear your 10W erp mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g0mrf@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:01 PM Subject: LF: Re: CQ DX 500k Thanks Mal. Seems like a good idea to stick to your established 7033. However, QSY to=20= 10MHz will not be necessary after all as the WPX contest is next weekend not= this one. - My Mistake. 73 David -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 8:26 Subject: LF: Re: CQ DX 500k David That sounds good. I have found 7Mhz good to to the USA evening and night t= ime. I have not tried 10 Mhz but it could be useful to avoid contest acty. Good luck=20 de Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g0mrf@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; G1KAW@aol.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:29 PM Subject: LF: CQ DX 500k Hi all. Can anyone on the East Coast USA comment of the state of 501 -504kHz for= transatlantic reception? I have confirmed availability of a large field in East Sussex for this S= unday night for some portable operation. If I have to select a frequency, then I may as well choose a clear one p= ossibly in the mid - upper portion of the band say 503.1 One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well establi= shed 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. - So may have to go to 10MHz for that,= or we do have 400W + 16 ele on 2m at 600 ft ASL which should be fine for ON= / F / PA western DL. Locator will be JO00EW near Dallington East Sussex. Power 0 - 250 Watts, antenna dependent. - Aim +10dBW peak ERP Main purpose of this trip is the antenna experiment, but it would be nic= e to make some CW / QRSS3 QSOs too. Site location can be seen here. http://www.vhfdx.net/callbook/gmap.php?Lan=3DE&Call=3DG1KAW/P&Loc=3DJO00= EW phone / text 07958502540. e-mail g0mrf@aol.com. Internet available on=20= site. 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David

Are u in the FIELD yet?.I hope there no BLO= CKAGE at=20 the Dartford Tunnel or even worse Watford gap.

I would like to hear your 10W erp
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

g0mrf@aol.com <= /DIV>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:01=20 PM

Subject: LF: Re: CQ DX 500k

Thanks Mal.

Seems like a good idea to stick to your=20 established 7033. However, QSY to 10MHz will not be necessary after all as= the=20 WPX contest is next weekend not this one. - My=20 Mistake.

73

David

-----Original Message-----
F= rom:=20 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@tal= ktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent:=20 Sat, 23 May 2009 8:26
Subject: LF: Re: CQ DX 500k

David

That sounds good. I have found 7Mhz good=20= to to=20 the USA evening and night time. I have not tried 10 Mhz but it could be us= eful=20 to avoid contest acty.

Good luck

de Mal/g3kev

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Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:29=20 PM

Subject: LF: CQ DX 500k

Hi all.

Can anyone on the East Coast USA comment of the state of 501 -504kH= z=20 for transatlantic reception?

I have confirmed availability of a large field in East Sussex for t= his=20 Sunday night for some portable operation.

If I have to select a frequency, then I may as well choose a clear=20= one=20 possibly in the mid - upper portion of the band say 503.1

One potential problem for cross band into Europe using Mals well=20 established 7033kHz is the CQWW WPX contest. - So may have to go to 10MH= z=20 for that, or we do have 400W + 16 ele on 2m at 600 ft ASL which should=20 be fine for ON / F / PA western DL.

Locator will be JO00EW n= ear=20 Dallington East Sussex.
Power 0 - 250 Watts, antenna dependent. - Aim= =20 +10dBW peak ERP

Main purpose of this trip is the antenna=20 experiment, but it would be nice to make some CW / QRSS3 QSOs=20 too.

Site location can be seen here.
http://www.vhfdx.net/callbook/gmap.php?Lan=3DE&Cal= l=3DG1KAW/P&Loc=3DJO00EW

phone=20 / text 07958502540. e-mail g0mrf@aol.com. Internet available on=20 site.

Thanks

David

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------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C9DC72.133877A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA012-8bd4a210da55d; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:42:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA077-8bd4a210da55d; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:42:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAM0k-00082L-Ha for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:41:58 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAM0k-00082C-5H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:41:58 +0100 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.155]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAM0i-0007uG-7a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:41:58 +0100 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so3161002yxf.64 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 03:41:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=+tWuk+gXZgKBHE/CrU+iUQW0LzpWPRM1ztt4albpClA=; b=E/3EB7nqkeDpUQntIPGLL8uCE4zWOawKhlMid9kH2uuoQVljB02y8xPUZUFZWWHBUH 2xqYG14laXaQ1MaEH4MZ54rMf3myGDAc3uVJ8gHSlVH0639FygPRcwsBCjdRHdu1q92k X008I0shOUowuFEvNqMMZtTSnfJRWKPys1t7I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=MXa3Jz3Iza13g8aYjiB+zcUUxXsIKeewK8AwNlbwF0khlVKeSDISs59VY28dqr00Jj RWF/CCZVaZg4rXRUYNTFK7LIJexyxgu5/w6OSThJyWzQsFCGHs+8vn4wutOZ7FgeENj0 a5aRzlYudunuesPOnmu1S89YCb02U0wb4Bbl8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.122.6 with SMTP id z6mr7187807ybm.93.1243680114285; Sat, 30 May 2009 03:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:41:54 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_00_10=0.642,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f15bc6d1e71046b1ed7a3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d252.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f15bc6d1e71046b1ed7a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? Any ideas thanks Laurie G3AQC --001e680f15bc6d1e71046b1ed7a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days?
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--001e680f15bc6d1e71046b1ed7a3-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC101-b024a03625f350; Thu, 07 May 2009 18:36:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC016-b024a03625f350; Thu, 07 May 2009 18:36:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2CBh-0003WC-G0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 23:35:33 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2CBh-0003W3-06 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 23:35:33 +0100 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2CBe-0008D7-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 23:35:32 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.24] (helo=14.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #91) id 1M2CAg-00032b-8p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 00:34:30 +0200 Received: from w115d.w.pppool.de ([89.58.17.93]:1367 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 14.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M2CAf-0000Ey-TI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 00:34:30 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506225829.1vrsvh 9ozjwcwog8@webmail 4.kuleuven.be> <351E24E134154160986CF3C5CC07321A@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090507152132.C17FE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <4A035E4B.3010705@toya.net.pl> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 00:34:31 +0200 Message-ID: <1B3664FB3B064E55A4CA70EC4145B755@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4A035E4B.3010705@toya.net.pl> Thread-Index: AcnPYkSDGtTLg6IhQ7yElMgL3r2bTgAAXBvg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: LF: AW: FM-Hell Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Peter, thank you vy much for this hint.=20 I will try that software in the next future. Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D0 =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Piotr Mlynarski Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 00:19 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: AW: FM-Hell Beckmann, Gerhard wrote: > >Sri, I don't have installed a FM-Hell decoder; > > =20 > Hello Gerhard, LF Group, Rick, ON7YD mentioned about Multipsk software allowing for RX/TX operation upon FM-Hell There is also another software ( which i prefer ) i.e Nino IZ8BLY Hellschreiber program which can be freely=20 downloaded from his page: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/aporcino/Hell/index.htm it is entirely focused on hell modulation therefore being free from other 'bilions' of different digi techniques.... ;) 73 de peter, sq7mpj qth: lodz /jo91rs/ =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME051-9b14a0b33936; Wed, 13 May 2009 16:54:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME045-9b14a0b33936; Wed, 13 May 2009 16:54:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4LT3-0006Y7-A3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 21:54:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4LT2-0006Xx-S9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 21:54:20 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4LSw-0007jK-Ir for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 21:54:20 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7C6D57000082 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:54:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.52.149]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 3D5E47000081 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:54:07 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090513205407251.3D5E47000081@mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:53:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C9D415.508205F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C9D415.508205F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks all who posted links .. I will add a page to the uk500khz news grou= p and list them all on there=20 this one looks to fit the bill (ready made for 60 euro)=20 tnx - G .. =20 http://www.box73.de/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=3D112_115&products_id=3D1= 19&osCsid=3D9nk30edle1v6k0oooub8e4fjs2 From: Graham=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:25 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit , better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working even better ! Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device=20 Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master=20 oscillator for tx=20 Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) Tnx- Graham .=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2110 - Release Date: 05/12/09 0= 6:22:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C9D415.508205F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks all who posted links ..=20= I will=20 add a page to the uk500khz news group and list them all on there= =20

this one looks to fit the bill (ready= made=20 for 60 euro)

tnx - G ..

http://www.box73.de/catalog/product_info.ph= p?cPath=3D112_115&products_id=3D119&osCsid=3D9nk30edle1v6k0oooub8e4f= js2

From: Graham

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:25 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc=20 ?

Looking for a low freque= ncy ,=20 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit ,

better a part completed=20 kit would be better ...second hand working

even better !

Ideal would be a box wit= h a=20 frequency display and a key pad to

enter the frequenc= y ,=20 preferable to a pc addressed device

Couple of volts sine wav= e out ,=20 nothing fancy , simple master

oscillator for&nbs= p; tx=20

Any ideas or = links=20 (any for sale ?)

Tnx- Graham .

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------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C9D415.508205F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG082-a284a09df5d35a; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:43:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG082-a284a09df5d35a; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:43:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3yo2-00061k-3S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:42:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3yo1-00061b-NZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:42:29 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3ynz-0004F3-Fk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:42:29 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUFAIl7CUpOlW6N/2dsb2JhbACCJyyBfYc+BsIjhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.110.141]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 21:41:22 +0100 Message-ID: <012501c9d342$02a3eed0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <011301c9d33c$83feeb70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:41:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0122_01C9D34A.63706240" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0122_01C9D34A.63706240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OE5ODL solid signal now at 2140 utc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:02 PM Subject: LF: LF TX fired up and ready on 137.7 but so far nil observed.=20 G3KEV ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09= 16:14:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0122_01C9D34A.63706240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OE5ODL solid signal now at 2140 utc<= /DIV>

----- Original Message -----

mal= =20 hamilton

To: rsgb

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:02 PM=

Subject: LF: LF

TX fired up and ready on 137.7 but so far= nil=20 observed.

G3KEV

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------=_NextPart_000_0122_01C9D34A.63706240-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (rly-mb02.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.155]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB081-cf049fd027d33d; Sat, 02 May 2009 22:33:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB024-cf049fd027d33d; Sat, 02 May 2009 22:33:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0RVC-00080c-2U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 03:32:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0RVB-00080T-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 03:32:25 +0100 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0RV8-0000lr-Pq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 03:32:25 +0100 Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.74]) by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-349fd0218283; Sat, 02 May 2009 22:31:52 -0400 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-449fd02122d2; Sat, 02 May 2009 22:31:46 -0400 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.bca.49a101c9 (39329) for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 22:31:43 -0400 (EDT) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 22:32:02 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: RU beacons May 1-2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_bca.49a101c9.372e5c22_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_bca.49a101c9.372e5c22_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1241317921" -------------------------------1241317921 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Strong signal again tonight Ed in France, I looked at your position with Google Earth. F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP RX : Icom IC7400 Ant: active miniwhip > I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z, > on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3. > > QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May) > abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical) > QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop) > > Reports welcome > > 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru -------------------------------1241317921 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Strong signal again tonight Ed in France, I looked at y= our position=20 with Google Earth.

F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP
RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: active miniw= hip=20

> I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630= z till=20 23z,
> on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3.
>
>= ;=20 QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May)
> abt 5W= ERP=20 (100W output in Big Vertical)
> QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (star= t=20 & stop)
>
> Reports welcome
>
> 73! Ed=20 RU6LA   136.73.ru

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X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------1243525903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 B29 or B17 Mal, =20 My CU25 ATU modified for the 137 KHz trafic: _http://img37.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3Dcu25.jpg_=20 (http://img37.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3Dcu25.jpg)=20 =20 =20 73 de F4DTL Nicolas =20 =20 Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 28/05/2009 12:50:38 Paris, Madrid (heure d'=E9t=E9)= , =20 g3kevmal@talktalk.net a =E9crit : Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 called MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER=20 AIRCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with 200 feet trailing wire=20 antenna.=20 Contains variometer, switches and vac relay. =20 I have a nice specimen at my QTH. Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching. Maybe someone has used one in a B29 =20 G3KEV =20 =20 =20 =20 -------------------------------1243525903 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

B29 or B17 Mal,

My CU25 ATU modified for the 137 KHz trafic:

http:/= /img37.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3Dcu25.jpg

73 de F4DTL Nicolas

Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 28/05/2009 12:50:38 Paris, Madrid (heure d'= =E9t=E9),=20 g3kevmal@talktalk.net a =E9crit :

Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 ca= lled=20 MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER AIRCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with= 200=20 feet trailing wire antenna.

Contains variometer, switches and vac rel= ay.=20

I have a nice specimen at my QTH.<= /DIV>
Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching.

Maybe someone has used one in a B29

G3KEV

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rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 10:11:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M89jn-00075Q-6m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 10:11:23 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr03.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.121]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M89ji-000668-Uv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 10:11:23 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2bthomr03.btconnect.com with ESMTP id BSR19634; Sun, 24 May 2009 10:11:12 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A190F2C.4070901@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:11:08 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <8CBA9F282F0E172-BD8-2E43@webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CBA9F282F0E172-BD8-2E43@webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr03.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0207.4A190F31.01A0,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) g0mrf@aol.com wrote: > Hi Richard. > > I've used a system similar to yours with some success. Mine, now > dismantled, is detailed at > > http://www.g0mrf.com/500kAntenna.htm > > It was a 10m mast with a very small 3m top section. Power in 7.5W PEP. > 100km was no problem 24/7 with good conditions it made it to ON and > PA. With very good conditions it made it to the Scotish Islands at > apx 800km but that was rare. > > The photo shows a variometer in series with a fixed coil in series > with another fixed coil which was connected to ground at the bottom > end. Despite all these turns of wire, the 50 ohm match was only a few > turns up from the ground end. > Hi David My problem is that I have to carry everything up the hill (or mountain) myself along with all the other things needed for hillwalking/mountaineering. So far I have realised that a 200ft L is not a suitable configuration. Alan G3NYK has suggested a T with 200ft top instead - that will keep everything a bit further from the ground. Kites are fun and obviously effective but the right conditions rarely occur for kitebourne operations - I will be trying them but I need something that can be used in a wide variety of weather and local conditions. Incidentally, my experience is that hilltops often suffer from very turbulent airflows which makes kite flying very tricky. Gun (the hill that I was on yesterday) is especially bad in that respect as it often seems to have some sort of windshear over it making launching a kite a real problem - been there, got the T shirt! My children - who are usually tasked with flying the kite - refuse to attempt it on Gun any more due to my rather poor response when the kite crashes mid-QSO... The microwavers here will be smiling as it took them a while to realise that my sort of portable is very different from car-supported operations in a field. That being said I eventually developed a fully portable and very effective 10G system that can be backpacked anywhere. I will manage the same on 500kHz given time I expect. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC044-b3649ff6e2411; Mon, 04 May 2009 18:37:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC082-b3649ff6e2411; Mon, 04 May 2009 18:37:26 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M16ly-000815-5S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:36:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M16lx-00080w-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:36:29 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.190] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M16lv-0004o7-1j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:36:29 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3601.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7FC487000082 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:36:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.16.142]) by mwinf3601.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 3DF767000081 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:36:11 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090504223611253.3DF767000081@mwinf3601.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 23:35:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik, Looking at fldigi , the MFSK-4 looks to be 100 Hz wide ? may be a little slow, but will print , the MFSK mode is also more robust than OLIVIA. (olivia is showing at 125 Hz Bw minimum) The lower 'throb' modes also show under 100 hz , but ive never used them >From the test's I ran over the last year or so , the MFSK system looked to work the best on 500 Gary ran a lot of beacons with 23 hz rtty , with varying results , reducing the baud rate by 50% lowers the error rate as well psk31 , works quite well, but dose not seem to travel too well on 500, but looking at the results of the propagation test using the zl2afp system, phase modulation may not of been a good choice ! Of all the data system , narrow 2 tone fsk (23) is perhaps the most fragile GL de G0NBD hi -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:36 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gary, > > call the is almost right, locator completely. > But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. > I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for > the last 2 minutes or so. > I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further > changes, not sure that this is the best mode. > So any advice is welcome. > I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors > and options. > I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz > bandwidth. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > >> Hi Rik, >> >> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >> locator >> :- >> >> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: rtty test >> >> dear all, >> >> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC >> Reports and/or reply welcome. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.17/2095 - Release Date: 05/04/09 > 06:00:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (rly-mb09.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.167]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB063-d254a22f18912; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:07:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB091-d254a22f18912; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:07:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAsEy-0003rl-Hd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:06:48 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAsEy-0003rb-5A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:06:48 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.63]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAsEw-00049p-F9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:06:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 33303 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 21:06:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MIMEOLE:Importance; b=ljO5j45LtfWBBH8cMF92u+D6VQXF1AKVKpWxQxspXorZQLGLPTvx06VxrOjjjOzI4ajEJKcRlb7YhTfoEBHBul7vcXlRjaoxw10hEuGnxx45iSCThuEHoM9cNJP21T+10uxis/c8oVU/X+5xEDeC3m9U0eQxNJoB/qHRZGgEFAs= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.154.15.74 with login) by smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2009 21:06:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MNmbvusVM1k1d7bf6_D8r7yO8QZpnMtk2j3LzxX3UyPdyMSNeb8T1qaNQovOY8Ra9POXscmWLx0IrwvpLi9Bju56ZS0j203Vm7Tkv68F_9YFiAkCoepHSDkid0M4XPKnCkq4lhuGEiUlViDzVcVtVKc1EqNFc8nEv0BNJ9Vl90c6.HVDw3sQ2WxVc38GZ9veQ0JSpR_fantKKxSv.fK2TasVeUdB4nE9R8eSZLtgiiniDTDksk9OARUAJeVV6VpkjCpPNCchgk4lSnnwIPsdpK_po7o4YECLrqH_0bvL_cxkr279YJHzng-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:06:56 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20090531205831.293140@gmx.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: rx 600m tonight for YOU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dennis, G3XIZ is in CW QSO with GW3UEP right now (2103z,)on 502.3 and 501.1 kHz (Check the G3YXM grabber on www.wireless.org.uk 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: 31 May 2009 21:59 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: rx 600m tonight for YOU Hi! I just reconfigured my RX to 0.5MHz, and appreciate receiving signals tonight on 600m :) Just let me know You are there, and where. vy73 Dennis Berlin JO62RM PS: Loop pointing NW/SE, so Scotland might induce higher voltages than England. -- Nur bis 31.05.: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate und Telefonanschluss nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG081-a204a226fda180; Sun, 31 May 2009 07:54:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG072-a204a226fda180; Sun, 31 May 2009 07:54:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAjbM-0000P9-GN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:53:20 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAjbM-0000P0-52 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:53:20 +0100 Received: from smtp2-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.2]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAjbK-00022t-0e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:53:20 +0100 Received: from smtp2-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1554B0063 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:53:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564614B0067 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:53:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A226FA7.3090101@online.fr> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:53:11 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: F6BWO F4DTL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Nicolas , Jeff , + F6CWA + F6AAO !..... 73 qro J-P afj F4DTL@aol.com a =E9crit : > Thanx Jeff for this new QSO with you > 3 french stations are active on 2200m today, F1AFJ,F6BWO and F4DTL. Wow. > =20 > F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP > _http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20 > > =20 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (rly-ma03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.47]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA021-89b4a089a9c362; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:37:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA035-89b4a089a9c362; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:37:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dBL-0006eM-K4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:37:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dBL-0006e9-6s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:37:07 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3dBJ-0006dT-1c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Don't worry, Im sure you will copy it hihi G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:25 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon > > Gus wrote: >> */Dear LF group,/* >> *//* >> */I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB./* >> */Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include..../* >> */Reports are wellcome./* >> *//* >> */73 de Gus SM6BHZ/* > Very high QRN levels here tonight on 500kHz Gus. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 > 07:02:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb04.mx.aol.com (rly-mb04.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.162]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB073-d044a132e0110c; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:09:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB048-d044a132e0110c; 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Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.15.34 with login) by smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 22:08:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3KgHvK4VM1nPIwweC8.ddlNptXdh22eVSmifIzK6r_F1vcfr87I1zinbPi_1MMuSYnrGs.tynlFwmPEVMBsRyYQDNqxfrHxeEL.pK9o.42Zpy9l2NOXc_F6MiSImElmTXD7dh6TRxJn2IShv8n.eQCKIIB4Dm5bciqZ3RjDkRamAkeuAwQCkAGjJR.Epw.Hn36bOIzmPyMJ312peJJfaPW1nfcnUTgoR_GtJJHrHYIQ64ROAr8xHkUAm7HS5EPrhavmdh75eKozCHxpyLcxBHmDAxEBx7m6qBxOOW_p_T2aOTOEcf_sgqMhdDw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <015f01c9d8ce$5f683fe0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 23:08:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Gary see the "notch" I designed for Hugh to reduce DCF39 a little at http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/BR-t-Notch.htm The plot will give some idea of the possible reduction in wanted signal. The trick is you want the highest "Q" you can get this involved usually using a small inductor and a large cap. The other problem is that they dont like a low impedance load on the output so you need to put an emitter (or source) follower before the RX input. I can only suggest try it and see. I think it should work reasonably well, DCF39 is a lot closer to 136 than 518 is to 502 relatively speaking. A top-coupled band-pass filter would also work quite well but I am not sure whether you would get enough rejection on the high side. The LC is resonant at the notch frequency and the pot is connected to the centre-tap. The plot is from the (free) analyser program on my site too. There may even be a node-list for it in the download examples. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. > Hi LF, > > > > You may have seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at about > 506KHz. The original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this > grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz. > > > > I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel > filter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly due > to the bandwidth of the filter?? > > > > Is there some simple narrow notch filter which I could use to remove the > offending signal. > > > > 73, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF011-9624a17d1671a6; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:35:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF058-9624a17d1671a6; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:35:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7oYu-0002rN-Jo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:34:44 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7oYu-0002rE-7H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:34:44 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7oYr-0004VC-Vt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:34:44 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 811DF1C00084 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:34:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.56.40]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 1315D1C00081 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:34:36 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090523103436783.1315D1C00081@mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <823B2A24E27343D88E55E83A53158F28@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> <20090519232905.l4n0cl7o5vk0oogs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <117598D055BB4752B434D00FED548617@lindavideo> In-Reply-To: <117598D055BB4752B434D00FED548617@lindavideo> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:34:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: http://www.solarcycle24.com/ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01C9DB9A.6CDD2A90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C9DB9A.6CDD2A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just found this, might be of interest=20 http://www.solarcycle24.com/ G ..=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C9DB9A.6CDD2A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C9DB9A.6CDD2A90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b4b4a07534f295; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:21:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC107-b4b4a07534f295; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:21:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3HNc-0002eW-JM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:20:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3HNb-0002eN-UE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:20:19 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.190] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3HNZ-0002ZC-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:20:19 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3603.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 06A2D7000087 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:20:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3603.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id B8C9C7000086 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:20:01 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510222001756.B8C9C7000086@mwinf3603.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus><5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC><008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus><61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB><4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB><1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB><20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be><2149FAD3D3B349DA8DD2D9B692522EEE@AGB> <20090510232311.c7w0ojp43pk4880w@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <2647D014C3484E85BEE640AEC4B3BFE6@AGB> <40A1D9029BDA4447880EDB0D20E31225@2a2d7ed321c6425> In-Reply-To: <40A1D9029BDA4447880EDB0D20E31225@2a2d7ed321c6425> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:19:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Gerhard Added 2 db to the drive but that's over the 3 systems ! G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:48 PM To: Subject: AW: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Hello Graham, > > looking for your signals with no results until yet. > May be you can increase power for the last halve hour of transmission > (22:30 until 23:00 UTC?) > > 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham > Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2009 23:36 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Rik, > > The mfsk signal is a single tone, the other systems are sending 2 tones= =20 > , > > peak levels of the systems are all the same .. as far as I can measure , > looks like your % copy ties with last night , ? , the instant lock=20 > of > the throb system looks to be working well ? > > Each stream is about 35 watts , last night I was running 150 in=20 > single > mode > > tnx - G .. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:23 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt >=20 > later > >> >> Gary, >> >> despite that there is no copy in MFSK4 this signal sound much stronger >> than the Throbx2 and psk31 signals. >> Idem on the G3YXM grabber: MFSK4 look brighter than the other 2. >> Looks as if the power is not the same. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Graham : >> >>> Ok Rik, >>> >>> Well see what prints with this beacon, Im running Fldigi x 3 times >>> on the same pc , Gary is running the same for rx and reports all is >>> ok with the system ... >>> >>> tnx- G .. >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Rik Strobbe" >>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:40 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > >>> later >>> >>>> >>>> Hello Graham, >>>> >>>> thanks for the QSO's last night. >>>> Under current conditions (lot of QRN and QSB) ThrobX2 seemes a bit >>>> better than >>>> PSK31. MFSK4 wouldn't print last night. >>>> The night before it was the same until all the sudden I had a perfect >>>> print. >>>> Maybe tuning / synchronisation is rather critical for MFSK4. >>>> The bandwidth of MFSK4 seems about 150Hz, so i will not use it for >>>> transmit. >>>> PSK31 and ThrobX2 are well below 100Hz. >>>> >>>> I will try to decode the signals starting 21:00 UTC. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting Graham : >>>> >>>>> Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream >>>>> same text , 60 sec repeat .. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz =3D 503.20k cent rf >>>>> >>>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz =3D 503,00k cent rf >>>>> >>>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz =3D 502.70 k cent rf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' >>>>> lock up time ? >>>>> >>>>> Graham >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Graham" >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt >=20 >>>>> later >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >>>>>> >>>>>> G .. >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Graham" >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tx set >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dial 501.000 >>>>>>> mode usb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FLDIGI software >>>>>> >>>>>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Power 40 watts per stream >>>>>>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Reports welcome >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Graham >>>>>>> >>>>>>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release >>>>>>> Date: 05/09/09 >>>>>>> 06:54:00 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>>>>> 05/09/09 06:54:00 >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: >>>> 05/10/09 07:02:00 >>>> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date:=20 >> 05/10/09 > >> 07:02:00 >> > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09= =20 > 07:02:00 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF072-9574a0e6d6b398; 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16 May 2009 08:37:38 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c9d5f9$3016e6b0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <007a01c9d58f$45a60e80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <1242429806.11120.6.camel@pat-desktop-dell> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:37:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: Re: LF: BC-221-T Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Serial number 6986 on cal chart, which matches the unit, but no initials. The chart book is immaculate, looks like it has never been used. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat gillen" To: Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:23 AM Subject: Re: LF: BC-221-T > Mal, Alan 3nyk and myself were just discussing those a couple of days > ago. We wondered how many of us were left who knew how to use a BC221 or > similar het. unit. Don't think I can quite qualify as being old enough > to have known the man who made yours though. Better question, however, > is can you still read the initials on the cal charts? > > > > > On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 19:59 +0100, mal hamilton wrote: >> I dug out a nice BC 221 today. It would make a nice OSC/driver for MF. >> It is mint condx but has not been used for years. Some will be >> familiar with this unit, vintage WWII made in the USA (ZENITH RADIO >> CORPORATION CHICAGO) Maybe someone knows the man that made it !! >> >> mal/g3kev >> > -- > 73 de Pat G4GVW > QTH Nr. Felixstowe > (East Coast of UK) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.30/2115 - Release Date: 05/14/09 17:54:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME082-9b44a0db25942; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:20:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME048-9b44a0db25942; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:20:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M520H-0008Bn-Kd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:19:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M520H-0008Be-6G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:19:29 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.68]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M520F-00045a-82 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:19:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 27746 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 18:18:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=f8ecWNCQg5EgkE1wvSS1oLEOeWg1n5aeLKTBEwxHPiDvVtf8AnaejLwvo25bwv04QaoCPKR4+pp+sQhYMnQDe8sppA49l7AuvMgdQD38vUfNouYBZX0g0IpfREbVGxE6G4UsRfTph/Lc6p299FU26WZewAlhunu+rbi1x5zxnLw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.107.129 with login) by smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 18:18:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8HufV1AVM1nfCoI8Wt34MEBgzoWxQWmAJ6eGtBNhHUebqhomyl15iOQY42CLAdP.2bJ5Gu_rUrjAkNzJw0dhdhR_hT64BdzHH2dC58cA_BZIfFhVUbu2ZP473PAoxWl6C.4JPMhieDTsheqGNdU6PJyg0gosbvAX.2sF83DCy9SrhmlfNyIjWc4NudR5pkMNiZXfLa2bOkqhOdBMRchRti3eQfoiXyxrYvzJpTeLxiwoxwjBpWIklUE9sPIwmWvry334XnCcbaLmhnlf X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <52125C6E9B21456EBEB404A18962150C@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> <20090515183514.mt168ada0ug4k4c4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <4A0D9BAC.6060808@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0D9BAC.6060808@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:18:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Aerial current Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Richard, LF Group, It is not generally the case that the output impedance of a PA is equal to its design load impedance, and so maximum power delivered to load is not the same thing as load impedance being 50 ohms or whatever. This is especially the case with switching type amplifiers, which will usually deliver more power to a load below the design value. With a switching type amplifier, assuming nothing in the PA is getting hot, most of the DC input power is being delivered to the load as RF (80%+ efficiency is normal). So checking DC supply voltage/current is similar to what it is when the PA is driving a dummy load will give a fairly good indication if the actual antenna load impedance is similar to the dummy load, or whether the output power is more or less than what is being delivered to the dummy load. Thermocouple-type RF ammeters are prone to be a bit erratic in their old age - a check on calibration is to measure the current into a dummy load, and compare with the current in the load calculated from the RF voltage measured with an oscilloscope or diode voltmeter, etc. Alternatively, DC or (preferably) 50Hz AC current can be used to check calibration. The definitive place to measure RF current is at the feed point of the antenna itself - this then allows a reasonable calculation of ERP to be made, in conjunction with calculating the radiation resistance from the antenna dimensions. As has been pointed out, there is generally some impedance transformation occuring between the TX feeder and the antenna feed point, so the currents will be different. The only real way to be sure whether the load impedance is what you expect is to have some sort of instrumentation to measure it. A suitable LF SWR bridge will tell you if the impedance deviates from the design value of the bridge. I use either a simple "scope-match" circuit in conjunction with an oscilloscope to indicate voltage/current/phase at the TX output, or my LF tuning meter design (see G3YXM's "features" page) to do something equivalent. Another possibility is to measure the impedance with an RF bridge. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC061-b4b4a00e68f196; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:23:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC107-b4b4a00e68f196; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:23:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1VqO-0004lS-NR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 02:22:44 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1VqO-0004lJ-6M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 02:22:44 +0100 Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1VqM-0007iW-9K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 02:22:44 +0100 Received: from DR2 ([71.184.212.10]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJ700ETM7TIOPZ7@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:22:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "dave.riley3" To: References: <000301c9bc43$b366cfa0$6401a8c0@radiocomputer> <4A00A343.3080806@g3ysx.org.uk> <9B3F74AF2AC642BB8C3317606C3D01A1@DR2> <00a201c9cddb$8d8f9920$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 21:22:29 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ahhh, yep, more advantages than an antenna add could sell... Location = Everything... Salt water, go with the Marconi... Crummy soil ( everywhere ) and lots of vegetation ?? = Go Magnetic... Not quite an axiom, but pretty good advice... Don't forget the more quiet receive too... TNX de Dave WD2XSH/17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? > Hi Dave ask why people use invL and T's. Well if you took your trees away > and put up an inv L of the same size you would have a bigger signal > (field-strength) than would be given by the loop. Amongst the trees the > loop > works better. Its location, location, location that matters, not old wives > tales, or even old commercial antenna books (they dont put "little" > antennas > up in the middle of forests !! for good reasons) > > Keep pumping the LF watts out man !! :-)) > Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dave.riley3" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? > > >> A big black ferrite that works down there... >> >> Bifilar wound 1:1 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stewart Bryant" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:36 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? >> >> >> > Dave >> >> >> >> Exhibit #1 www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP109.jpg >> > >> > An interesting design - what are you using as a broadband match in >> > xformer for the 200KHz - HF? >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Stewart/G3YSX >> > >> > >> > >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB043-cfb49fb7eaf61; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:59:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB037-cfb49fb7eaf61; Fri, 01 May 2009 18:58:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M01gC-0004tK-7v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:58:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M01gB-0004sg-Kb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:58:03 +0100 Received: from imr-d04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.42]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M01g8-0008Ea-FA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 23:58:03 +0100 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-d04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n41MuPmP011927 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c79.567db2a0 (48552) for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:56:13 -0400 (EDT) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:57:22 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Big signal RU6LA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1241218642" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------1241218642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hello Ed,more than 20 dB SNR here,very strong,good luck for DX reports. The QRN is low. =20 =20 F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP RX : Icom IC7400 Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010 _http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20 =20 =20 Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 02/05/2009 00:51:33 Paris, Madrid (heure d'=E9t=E9)= , =20 markusvester@aol.com a =E9crit : Ed, excellent here as well, up to about 6 uV/m! And the QRN has gone down=20 now. Don't be confused by the 0.09 Hz sidebands visible on my grabber, they= =20 are only a modulation artifact from the noise blanker acting on the=20 periodic DCF39 telegrams. =20 Markus, DF6NM =20 -------------------------------1241218642 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Ed,more than 20 dB SNR here,very strong,good luck for DX=20 reports.

The QRN is low.

F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010

http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.ne= t/

Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 02/05/2009 00:51:33 Paris, Madrid (heure d'= =E9t=E9),=20 markusvester@aol.com a =E9crit :

Ed, excellent here as we= ll, up=20 to about 6 uV/m! And the QRN has gone down now. Don't be confuse= d by=20 the 0.09 Hz sidebands visible on my grabber, they are only=20= a=20 modulation artifact from the noise blanker acting on the periodic DCF= 39=20 telegrams.

Markus, DF6NM

-------------------------------1241218642-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de09.mx.aol.com (rly-de09.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.145]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE084-4ff4a198f7d121; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:18:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE094-4ff4a198f7d121; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:18:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8IGi-0000Wc-Kl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:17:56 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8IGi-0000WT-7C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:17:56 +0100 Received: from mailout1.go2.pl ([193.17.41.11]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8IGf-0007wn-SI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:17:56 +0100 Received: from mailout1.go2.pl (unknown [10.0.0.104]) by mailout1.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D990630014 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:17:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from o2.pl (unknown [10.0.0.37]) by mailout1.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:17:52 +0200 (CEST) From: bxi@go2.pl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3c01eff9.1a141ba6.4a198f4f.b955c@o2.pl> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:17:51 +0200 X-Originator: 89.76.180.179 X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?RE:_LF:_SP2KDS?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="==o2.pl-WebMail-74d9194a.595f9e90.b958c==" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --==o2.pl-WebMail-74d9194a.595f9e90.b958c== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lubos!We're calling you now!! 73! Marcin SQ2BXISP2KDS Team Hello Marcin! I have called you, but nothing. Your signal is nice, I just see your CQ "OOO= ". Lubos, OK2BVG > From: bxi@go2.pl > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:39 +0200 > Subject: LF: SP2KDS > > Dr LF Group! > We have now QRV 137,708kHz QRSS 3. > > 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > SP2KDS Club > Bu=C4=8Fte v kontaktu se sv=C3=BDmi p=C5=99=C3=A1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu= Klikni zde! --==o2.pl-WebMail-74d9194a.595f9e90.b958c== Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lubos!
We're calling you now!!
73! Marcin SQ2BXI

SP2KDS Team

Hello Marcin!
I have called you, but nothing. Your= signal is nice, I just see your CQ "OOO".

Lubos, OK2BVG
> From: bxi@go2.pl
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>= ; Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:39 +0200
> Subject: LF: SP2KDS
&= gt;
> Dr LF Group!
> We have now QRV 137,708kHz QRSS 3.
>
> 73! Marcin SQ2BXI
> SP2KDS Club
>

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--==o2.pl-WebMail-74d9194a.595f9e90.b958c==-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5384a0a67613dd; Wed, 13 May 2009 02:23:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF031-5384a0a67613dd; Wed, 13 May 2009 02:23:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M47rA-0000sZ-JW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 07:22:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M47rA-0000sQ-8R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 07:22:20 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M47r7-0006cR-DV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 07:22:19 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3624.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1F1027000084 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 08:22:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (unknown [91.105.45.195]) by mwinf3624.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 698E77000081 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 08:22:10 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090513062210432.698E77000081@mwinf3624.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:21:52 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: David Pratt References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-M (<$2f2ji$3Pc+jyVxWNVKfF9c3+D>) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 acty Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) In a recent message, mal hamilton wrote ... >Tonight so far G3XPU, G3DMP, G3XIZ, G3CWI and G3KEV all on hi speed CW. >Mal/G3KEV >=A0 It's G4DMP, Mal. I tried to get G3DMP but the Ministry of Posts &=20 Telecommunications of the day would not let me have it as I could not=20 find his next of kin. 73 David G4DMP / G3KEP --=20 +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds, UK | | http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-58d4a1ac2f03e1; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:10:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF116-58d4a1ac2f03e1; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:10:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8cjk-0004uv-IG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:09:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8cjk-0004um-7R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:09:16 +0100 Received: from xsmtp04.mail2web.com ([168.144.250.226]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8cji-0007dD-C0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:09:15 +0100 Received: from [168.144.108.29] (helo=M2W029.mail2web.com) by xsmtp04.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8cjb-0006b3-Iq; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:09:09 -0400 Message-ID: <380-2200951251697569@M2W029.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 217.67.146.136 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "john.rabson@wanadoo.fr" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:09:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) David, Try putting the dipole on the ground and earthing both ends as well as circumstances permit. In effect you will have a large vertical loop although it will be underground. This technique is the basis of much cave radio communication, and I seem to recall that one of the earliest 73 kHz above-ground experimenters (now a Silent Key) usesd this technique to set one of the distance records on that band. By the way, does the 500 kHz NoV require you to tell the authorities whether you will be working above or below ground, as was the case on 73? John F5VLF -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com =96 Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft= =AE Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB012-ad94a21114c244; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:58:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB077-ad94a21114c244; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:58:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMG6-0008G0-Sv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:57:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMG6-0008Fr-Iq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:57:50 +0100 Received: from mail-out2.netspace.net.au ([203.10.110.72] helo=mail.netspace.net.au) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAMG2-0005NU-I8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:57:49 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (220.253-216-48.TAS.netspace.net.au [220.253.216.48]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CE36C0A7 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 20:57:32 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4A21111B.6070904@netspace.net.au> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:57:31 +1000 From: Richard Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332 Subject: Re: LF: Information Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Try http://www.hy-q.com.au lawrence mayhead wrote: > Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? > I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! > Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? > Any ideas thanks > Laurie G3AQC > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2142 - Release Date: 05/29/09 17:53:00 > > -- 73, Ric, VK7RO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (rly-mf09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.179]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF034-97f4a0decea127; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:30:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF095-97f4a0decea127; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:30:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M55tm-0000ic-Kd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 23:29:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M55tm-0000iT-65 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 23:29:02 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M55tk-0001vW-Oc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 23:29:01 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4CA7B8043 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 00:28:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB59F3862 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 00:28:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5905A5AB4; Sat, 16 May 2009 00:28:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 131.38-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (131.38-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.38.131]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 16 May 2009 00:28:14 +0200 Message-ID: <20090516002814.olvw2hgt6g84ss0g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 00:28:14 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> <20090515183514.mt168ada0ug4k4c4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <4A0D9BAC.6060808@btconnect.com> <52125C6E9B21456EBEB404A18962150C@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <52125C6E9B21456EBEB404A18962150C@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.38.131 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Aerial current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Jim, LF, indeed, class D amplifiers will (within reasonable limits) "adapt" to =20 the load impedance. At least as long as the load is resistive. I have noticed that my PA =20 (G3YXM design clone) reacts "alergic" to a complex load. My problem is that the antenna feeding point is about 35m away from =20 the house, I need a 40m coax between TX and antenna. This complicates =20 tuning if the antenna (+ loss) impedance is different from 50 Ohm. Not =20 because the TX output is 50 Ohm but because the coax is 50 Ohm and =20 will transform any impedance different from 50 Ohm resistive. If the antenna is brought to resonance (at 502.5) the impedance is 40 =20 Ohm resistive but this is tranformed by the coax to a complex =20 impedance (at 502.5) at the TX end. In fact I have to tune the antenna several kHz above 502.5 (measured =20 at the antenna feeding point) to get a resistive load on 502.5 at the =20 TX end of the cable. As so far I don't have remote tuning of the loading coil, getting the =20 antenna "tuned" is a bit labour intensive ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD Quoting James Moritz : > Dear Richard, LF Group, > > It is not generally the case that the output impedance of a PA is equal > to its design load impedance, and so maximum power delivered to load is > not the same thing as load impedance being 50 ohms or whatever. This is > especially the case with switching type amplifiers, which will usually > deliver more power to a load below the design value. > > With a switching type amplifier, assuming nothing in the PA is getting > hot, most of the DC input power is being delivered to the load as RF > (80%+ efficiency is normal). So checking DC supply voltage/current is > similar to what it is when the PA is driving a dummy load will give a > fairly good indication if the actual antenna load impedance is similar > to the dummy load, or whether the output power is more or less than > what is being delivered to the dummy load. > > Thermocouple-type RF ammeters are prone to be a bit erratic in their > old age - a check on calibration is to measure the current into a dummy > load, and compare with the current in the load calculated from the RF > voltage measured with an oscilloscope or diode voltmeter, etc. > Alternatively, DC or (preferably) 50Hz AC current can be used to check > calibration. > > The definitive place to measure RF current is at the feed point of the > antenna itself - this then allows a reasonable calculation of ERP to be > made, in conjunction with calculating the radiation resistance from the > antenna dimensions. As has been pointed out, there is generally some > impedance transformation occuring between the TX feeder and the antenna > feed point, so the currents will be different. > > The only real way to be sure whether the load impedance is what you > expect is to have some sort of instrumentation to measure it. A > suitable LF SWR bridge will tell you if the impedance deviates from the > design value of the bridge. I use either a simple "scope-match" circuit > in conjunction with an oscilloscope to indicate voltage/current/phase > at the TX output, or my LF tuning meter design (see G3YXM's "features" > page) to do something equivalent. Another possibility is to measure the > impedance with an RF bridge. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB053-d3d4a181f0856; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:06:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB121-d3d4a181f0856; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:06:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7tjd-0004EQ-MD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:06:09 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7tjd-0004EG-9H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:06:09 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr02.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.120]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7tjb-0005pH-6b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:06:09 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2bthomr02.btconnect.com with ESMTP id KKL14019; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:06:01 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:06:04 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr02.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020A.4A181EE9.0178,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Not a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed against 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very low - within 1 metre of the ground. Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping the feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q dramatically and the RX and TX performance were very poor. In configurations where the RX performance was good and the Q high, there was little on no aerial current on transmit. The only configuration that gave some antenna current was nearly useless on receive. Connecting a radial to a metal fence detuned things so much that I go nowhere like that. Heard GW0HXO's beacon at reasonable strength and GW3UEP's beacon - just. Called CQ quite a few times. No takers. Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible "line-timebase" type burble drifting across band. Clearly more work required to get a viable system. Tips? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-a6d4a205cad2d4; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:08:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA055-a6d4a205cad2d4; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:07:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAADt-0006Wk-Dd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 23:06:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAADs-0006Wb-Nz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 23:06:44 +0100 Received: from smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAADp-0002NE-3S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 23:06:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 81046 invoked from network); 29 May 2009 22:06:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=QlZTsX7cjUVLjhKUd4jJm2mjP1N4UfrKmR7dcEVa+dnYD6kCKfo/vAwy2dsIjiSmRepZHVmT911T4ShEWZ4sUJRPDpzsJhcp1imaCf3fHhVV7mL75hq5x6z006fjDm0tyxak4+fYv7C0olXT9+8wrTUs3SuU61jEexfQH9t3VcA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.109.171 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 22:06:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .UmwZvkVM1lUqF7162mPIzKl_ts68OEMKSHhg_t.ytpHpfPsVQDFuQIn5QueL0tVz6BP5vhMScqgTR6Qqn08GygJ_D0AAqWkkxSaqNBo37ziga08qMv5of3n0ozaKxFQoAP419hgnnevRxvRbWkAJPgZlpkBipydFGRyEZErNcP5prWVJjU0oAxM2Kwfokcss.7EoWETpRMm4DqI9uje9hkxG6h1RN6g4PCLRntTAF2RILKA4guHS6KGybSfoKMvwqUvLkTSnVxBHQJKgy9Dzln.3suya3bBgZAih5lSSt.xewe65jztR_yFHYHX29elXP5xDjqpVjN_abJ9u8El.Qw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <846AFC8AED804851AE6CA1E83B356E9F@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <20090529121437.120FDF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090529121437.120FDF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 23:06:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: modeling a loop Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Rik, This is my theory - At 0 degrees elevation, the far-field radiation from a rectangular loop antenna is the same as that produced by 2 vertical elements of the same dimensions as the vertical conductors in the loops and carrying the same currents (other angles/shapes would be similar, but would require resolving the horizontally and vertically directed components of the current). In this 2-element vertical array, both are carrying large currents, and the current in one is equal to the other, but flowing in the opposite direction, and the spacing between them is a very small fraction of a wavelength. The radiated field at a large distance is the result of superimposing the seperate contributions of these two vertical elements which, because of the small spacing, almost but not quite cancel each other out (they do cancel out at right angles to the plane of the loop of course). So the radiated field, and so the radiation resistance, is a result of a small difference between two relatively large numbers - the smaller the length of the loop in wavelengths, the smaller the difference gets. This is why you need much more current in a loop than a vertical of a similar size. I think the discrepancy in the simulated radiation resistance may be caused by the limited precision of the calculations done by the simulator - you would expect the effect of this to get worse as the sides of the loop became smaller fractions of a wavelength. When I have tried to simulate small loops in the past (using an old EZNEC), I have had similar problems, and also simulation errors possibly for the same kind of reason. I don't think NEC likes small loops of conductor much - I have also had problems in the past when simulating a vertical with a multi-wire top-load where the ends of the wires were connected together - the simulation results had 1 amp in the uplead, but many amps circulating through the top-loading wires. An experiment you could try is simulating larger loops to see if there is a more accurate agreement between theory and simulation. There is also the effect of the ground plane - a small loop close to a ground plane should have double the radiation resistance of one in free space due to the effect of the "image" loop reflected in the ground plane - I think this implies large currents flowing in the ground plane under the loop, so it is another matter to what extent this actually happens with a real ground plane. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:14 PM Subject: LF: modeling a loop > > I guess MMANA-GAL is not suited for modeling very small loops, is there > other software that can scope with this ? > Before going into the effort of putting op the loop I would like to have > an idea of what to expect. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (rly-mf08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.178]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF103-97a4a00d015391; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:47:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF088-97a4a00d015391; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:47:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1ULE-0004SO-CW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 00:46:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1ULE-0004SF-14 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 00:46:28 +0100 Received: from smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.72]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1UL9-0003Wh-DF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 00:46:27 +0100 Received: (qmail 75224 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 23:45:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=j2aot3UVXO7zuSir3hLEJNmdPgbb0/g6Guw+MT/A2d0yx/E6hRIL97HSC9Btb7LlCCXTpWJgNvhcLs6Bdv7lJrYq54hfL58RNRldhtqezh6gXnqD3tS+Mns109PIcyEWVzWeI22CVEpFcYlHoMYODK/IfApClq7iUChV419LEtk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.28.140 with login) by smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 23:45:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _4ROA0oVM1kar850PhTgW2KJyFxYnJTMNk6vheLp36VQkdvUU.WrFinKfT5Z7fvPvLOgYYvA.dFUE72XQEqlrKyGVlsFbTIgW4v6H3ZGbtOOS.TtoQNmr4u9.wj7fqn2vhIxOUAe2jEZFI1.ZtPQnWU4dFvaXl3QAcpUxMjNM_8Yt1r2n4u5P7m0vsR3ouA.VcTjt74ya6pqFyW5UJWuTzp862xoV76ODP3dekIptw.zupF78oC_LuRdo8q5cqJ4jVdXx_kscdeEBWGe6tJ.aMHniaScXpQ1CBz9dduGaBcxBWi858Ror86cOWpitxpdGopySZ4lCjlBY3L.Ug-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <00a201c9cddb$8d8f9920$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <000301c9bc43$b366cfa0$6401a8c0@radiocomputer> <4A00A343.3080806@g3ysx.org.uk> <9B3F74AF2AC642BB8C3317606C3D01A1@DR2> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 00:45:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Dave ask why people use invL and T's. Well if you took your trees away and put up an inv L of the same size you would have a bigger signal (field-strength) than would be given by the loop. Amongst the trees the loop works better. Its location, location, location that matters, not old wives tales, or even old commercial antenna books (they dont put "little" antennas up in the middle of forests !! for good reasons) Keep pumping the LF watts out man !! :-)) Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave.riley3" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? > A big black ferrite that works down there... > > Bifilar wound 1:1 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stewart Bryant" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? > > > > Dave > >> > >> Exhibit #1 www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP109.jpg > > > > An interesting design - what are you using as a broadband match in > > xformer for the 200KHz - HF? > > > > Thanks > > > > Stewart/G3YSX > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA081-a554a045be3368; Fri, 08 May 2009 12:21:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA025-a554a045be3368; Fri, 08 May 2009 12:20:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Sno-0005Oj-JX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:20:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Sno-0005OV-5P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:20:00 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Snl-0005NH-0z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:19:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr09.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id CJQ86740; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:19:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:19:53 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.4A045BA7.0307,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all My transmitter is progressing nicely. Where should I aim for in the band? I assume that some frequencies are "taken"? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME064-9bb4a0b040e15e; Wed, 13 May 2009 13:32:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME057-9bb4a0b040e15e; Wed, 13 May 2009 13:32:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4IIQ-0005Jf-Np for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:31:10 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4IIQ-0005JW-5o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:31:10 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4IIO-0006gx-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:31:10 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqQEALOgCkpOlHLl/2dsb2JhbACEUMtGhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.114.229]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 13 May 2009 18:30:02 +0100 Message-ID: <006401c9d3f0$729cf2f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:30:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard Your Beacon is in the middle of the CW qso area. If possible move to the low band edge. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:23 PM Subject: LF: Beacon 502.7kHz > Dear all > > I have a beacon running on 502.7kHz on standard CW. I would welcome > reports as the evening progresses. I will be using it to try to engage > some SOTA people in listening on the band so that I can do some > experiments at a later date. If it causes anyone a problem please send > me a private email. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.27/2111 - Release Date: 05/12/09 18:03:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF014-5354a17f02e256; Sat, 23 May 2009 08:46:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF028-5354a17f02e256; Sat, 23 May 2009 08:46:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7qbg-0003jA-Gt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:45:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7qbg-0003j1-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:45:44 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.28]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7qbd-000530-Pr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:45:43 +0100 Received: from organisa-c1c456 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4NCja6B055654 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:45:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:45:29 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <003601c9daf5$0351b960$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A17C742.2000603@btconnect.com> <4A17DA30.2020602@btconnect.com> <4A17DCB8.4070302@btconnect.com> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A17DCB8.4070302@btconnect.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF REPORTS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Richard, It has been found that the brain of a skilled CW operator can simulate a filter as narrow as 50 Hz. The difference in noise power between a 60 Hz and 50 Hz filter is 0.79 dB. So either your FT1000 DSP filter is a bit wider or your brain filter is a bit narrower. For slow morse (10 w.p.m.) it can be advantageous to use a filter as narrow as 10 Hz. This will give a 7 dB better S/N ratio than your brain will provide. With weak signals, this really helps. 73, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG064-5f14a06c3259e; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:06:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG096-5f14a06c3259e; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:05:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M37m4-0007F6-F1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:04:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M37m4-0007Ex-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:04:56 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr04.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.122]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M37m1-0008AP-RT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:04:55 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2bthomr04.btconnect.com with ESMTP id KVG22481; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:03:33 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A06C298.8040006@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:03:36 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr04.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.4A06C295.01F8,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Cross-band contacts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear MFers A few of the SOTA crowd have started taking an interest in 500kHz since I mentioned it on their reflector. Some have been listening and hearing people. Are there any restrictions on making cross-band contacts (say 80m-500kHz)? That seems like a good way to get a few people interested. 73 Richard G3CWI (currently untangling wire for use as radials) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA042-8924a13e70123; Wed, 20 May 2009 07:18:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA024-8924a13e70123; Wed, 20 May 2009 07:18:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6jnA-0000xT-7J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 12:17:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6jn9-0000xK-QV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 12:16:59 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6jn6-0000IT-Tt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 12:16:59 +0100 X-Trace: 198707811/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar4EAM2DE0pYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKIcghCi/ZQeEAQU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,221,1241391600"; d="scan'208";a="198707811" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 20 May 2009 12:16:51 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:16:52 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c9d93c$7a2bb640$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcnY5vt7nVRsEzq2S+qRwWqzcBOrsgAUyckg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 LF, Thanks for all the replies, comments & suggestions. I thought I could do the filtering within the SpecLab software but all my attempts have had no effect at all, I am not really aware how to manipulate the filter controls to do this, if anyone can help with that it could be the answer. I will post a query to the SpecLab group. Jim, that is correct regarding the LO=512KHz & I do have a couple of alternatives but unsure until I check if they will resolve the problem. Rik, I guessed that the Q of the circuit needs to be improved but unsure how to go about it in that sort of arrangement, I will look at your ideas. Andy, I will look at the link you provided soon. Alan, thanks for the link & your comments. Graham, the 518KHz signal is so strong at times I think attenuator would be so large it would degrade the rest of the band, thanks for your comment. 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz Sent: 20 May 2009 02:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: 518khz - Notch Filter. Dear Gary, LF Group, An image of 518kHz at 506kHz implies LO = 512kHz? You could change the LO frequency to 500kHz, although then you would not be able to receive signals on that spot frequency. You could also try optimising the amplitude/phase "tweaks" in the software to give maximum rejection of the unwanted sideband at 518kHz. A simple notch filter with high rejection will inevitably have significant loss at nearby frequencies - there is a trade-off between Q, depth of notch, loss of wanted signal and frequency difference between wanted signal and notch frequencies. This can be improved by adding aditional components, e.g. adding a series capacitor to a parallel-tuned trap can "tune out" the loss at a frequency below the notch frequency. It is feasible to get something like a few dB loss at 504kHz with 20 - 25dB at 518kHz. More complicated designs like Andy's have a much nicer response shape, but may require unachieveably high inductor Q to get the design response. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC044-b0a4a006a0f57; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:32:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC026-b0a4a006a0f57; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:32:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1NYC-0001mC-RP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:31:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1NYC-0001m3-D1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:31:24 +0100 Received: from asmtpout014.mac.com ([17.148.16.89]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1NY8-0007at-W9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:31:23 +0100 MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from spool001.mac.com ([10.150.69.51]) by asmtp014.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KJ60090AJ5FN950@asmtp014.mac.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 09:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail027 ([10.13.128.27]) by spool001.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KJ6003XHJ7VC180@spool001.mac.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 09:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 12:31:07 -0400 From: "Louis Ciotti (K2LRV)" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <117176383435537904973001440417160565546-Webmail@me.com> Received: from [96.238.141.20] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:31:07 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 96.238.141.20 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: LF: LF Power Amplifier (LINEAR) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I am looking for information on LF linear amplifier design, can anyone point me to some good sources? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (rly-dc05.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.34]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC031-b244a00928116a; Tue, 05 May 2009 15:25:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC058-b244a00928116a; Tue, 05 May 2009 15:24:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1QFe-0002cy-NI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:24:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1QFe-0002cp-5D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:24:26 +0100 Received: from mail-qy0-f131.google.com ([209.85.221.131]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1QFc-0005W6-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 20:24:26 +0100 Received: by qyk37 with SMTP id 37so8569383qyk.30 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:24:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9Dc/PM6/r3j0n5qEiLnV0krTeGwkJdY+H0M07Ri+gGQ=; b=COCT1Q4lj2uDY8fQ8na5jViW7xO8vRPnosWs5W62jdDSCKKnNeqGDnzW/k9VKA6cGD CnTeahUlbtTOq/xFLuD2UuzWu5bSFQNrSks2TrERquhJjhdenQmRgO6amfynAz+vuGOl E+x9406ZAifXGwGPKEyCIJgubmDRUh5sLsh0Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=NYXVvcZKkWJRdDXC6Oh61/HTy//n/BARD4OJwL6mjH7fvBMnx6wZ/BYP6WqbacflLK Zu1sa1xtuRSSEJ/jvcjFgc6RpbVRhOxxbB6Y3rqvBLG5v98Aig9GhqIrHVj1V4Pmw8QI V6Y8bLJOCQimO/4rN3nedolVdz1Ho9GYexUds= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.73.1 with SMTP id a1mr741906ybl.189.1241551456867; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:24:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A006EFC.3010401@ukonline.co.uk> References: <88d2415e0905041311m2b3902d4m19e5460371c5ff88@mail.gmail.com> <4A006EFC.3010401@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:24:16 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905051224r321d6160qcf45d1ee1fedeee4@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Racal 5501 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f19a88e976004692f39f8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m210.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f19a88e976004692f39f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Peter, That would be great, I actually have a few of the FETs. My problem is that I am rather unwell, I have been having Chemo! but it should be possible to get someone to drive me over. Please remind me of your address (post code would help). I will contact you ASAP. Many thanks Laurie. 2009/5/5 Peter Dodd > Hi Laurie, > I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the > fault is clear - it just has blown power FETs. > You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the > two faulty ones > I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the moment > > Regards > > Peter, G3LDO > > >> Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments >> that I could buy? >> One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to >> about a third, >> so far can't find the fault. >> 73 Laurie G3AQC >> > > > --001e680f19a88e976004692f39f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Peter,
That would be great, I actually have a few of the FETs.
My=20= problem is that I am rather unwell, I have been having Chemo!
but it shou= ld be possible to get someone to drive me over.
Please remind me of your=20= address (post code would help).
I will contact you ASAP.
Many thanks
Laurie.
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2009/5/5 Peter Dodd <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi Laurie,
I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the fau= lt is clear - it just has blown power FETs.
You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the tw= o faulty ones
I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the momen= t

Regards

Peter, G3LDO

Does anyone have a Racal =A0Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments tha= t I could buy?
One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to about= a third,
so far can't find the fault.
73 Laurie G3AQC

--001e680f19a88e976004692f39f8-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (rly-mb09.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.167]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-d274a202f8d9f; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:55:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB093-d274a202f8d9f; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:55:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MA7E2-0005uU-UM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:54:42 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MA7E2-0005uL-Ex for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:54:42 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.215]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MA7E0-0004Wt-Qh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:54:42 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W16 ([64.4.56.116]) by bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 29 May 2009 11:54:30 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:54:30 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002601c9e08c$abb048f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <002601c9e08c$abb048f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2009 18:54:30.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[E639DF20:01C9E08E] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1848dc73-9926-4552-82d1-25552e76f988_" Subject: RE: LF: Re: IK5ZPV X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_1848dc73-9926-4552-82d1-25552e76f988_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal, LF! Yes me too. He is an acquaintance ham on 137kHz. Have a nice evening! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS=20 From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:38:33 +0100 Subject: LF: Re: IK5ZPV Lubos I have worked him many times in the past on normal CW=20 579/579=20 Mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From:=20 Lubos OK2BVG=20 =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 =20 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: LF: IK5ZPV =20 Hello LF! I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV in=20 QRSS3 mode. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 =20 Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zd= e!=20 =20 =20 =20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus=20 Database: 270.12.44/2140 - Release Date: 05/28/09=20 18:09:00 _________________________________________________________________ P=F8et=E1hn=ECte si fotografie p=F8=EDmo do chatu v Messenger. Jak se do d= =ECl=E1. http://download.live.com/messenger=3D --_1848dc73-9926-4552-82d1-25552e76f988_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal, LF!
Yes me too. He is an acquaintance ham on 137kHz.

Ha= ve a nice evening!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:= Fri, 29 May 2009 19:38:33 +0100
Subject: LF: Re: IK5ZPV

Lubos

I have worked him many times in the past on normal= CW=20 579/579

Mal/g3kev

----- Original Message= -----

Lubos O= K2BVG=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Sent: Friday, M= ay 29, 2009 7:21 PM

Subject: LF: IK= 5ZPV

Hello LF!
I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV=20= in=20 QRSS3 mode.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde!=20 =20

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.339 / Virus=20 Database: 270.12.44/2140 - Release Date: 05/28/09=20 18:09:00

Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1te= li z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde= ! =3D --_1848dc73-9926-4552-82d1-25552e76f988_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db05.mx.aol.com (rly-db05.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.80]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-ac64a1e90c01c2; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:25:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB054-ac64a1e90c01c2; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:25:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9faZ-0002OG-3A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:24:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9faY-0002O7-Na for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:24:06 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.150]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9faU-0007AE-AN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:24:05 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 14so1501581qwa.16 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:24:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oof1TKDj0rBhD3pz4d1Jk/Ku6vyn5MubWq0zYDOreDA=; b=Av6qPL5d4Mj5oWKSRQmq32svDxI3H80A4poEqfTQpv/Mi04FUpPUP2sbEkSTALOzTg 8V4DsP9XfsSXMCY1g/6Gzl8Hpo2pZvUBW6d6+OeLX5PZ63FjRaLSQzXt0oMZ6j8nu67N ANn0eQw+ykXBupzFc5FIRdEHaGYJ93CofrP0E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=yA2JfpdQXZuRoYR6Y2SneipsxXP1l2sMjjQkVLJzXmafpf2TKjTddhT6d7D4UsY8dx WM1jm+vqfExD3qJUpJ+uub/Pj1QPKJ44CXAtJX+NEtzv+Bh4aI07Hgde9bnzjHAq1Jk2 NbZUJ3UYZDXavSF4PaHcEvxBUpdP9uId6+oRI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.46.18 with SMTP id h18mr1409815qaf.182.1243517041586; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:24:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <003201c9df81$e9e4c8f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <003201c9df81$e9e4c8f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:24:01 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905280624k3bd34499he4b67d5af33bae52@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m283.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) The BC-306 tuning is a good one too. Inside it is a tapped coil + variometer, maximum inductance about 1.2 mH. http://www.questmasters.us/B-24_Page_3.html http://eshop1.chem.buffalo.edu/600-Meter-TX.html -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 6:47 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 called MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER > AIRCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with 200 feet trailing wire > antenna. > Contains variometer, switches and vac relay. > I have a nice specimen at my QTH. > Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching. > Maybe someone has used one in a B29 > > G3KEV > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-b254a19b3e833; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:54:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC061-b254a19b3e833; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:54:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Kh0-0001sX-Bn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:53:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Kgz-0001sO-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:53:13 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Kgy-0000Gc-6p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:53:13 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD0C51C004 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:52:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED5A31E702 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:52:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id F03CE5AEA; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:52:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 84.36-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (84.36-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.36.84]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:52:54 +0200 Message-ID: <20090524225254.y10w811zpym88s0s@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:52:54 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <108EF969E1FE4E14821FD0B03287232F@JimPC> <20090524213307.sbrh6ea8x2g4og4s@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <7ED4E103A61B462EB9BBD98AB79610B1@JimPC> <20090524224607.90l9xp4i23k000gs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090524224607.90l9xp4i23k000gs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.36.84 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) G0MRF now peaking 549 with lots of QSB But still in beacon mode ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Rik Strobbe : > Hello Jim, > > thanks for the info. > I can hear the beacon CW on 503.1 with 429 report. > Without QRN it would be a solid copy. > > 73, Rik > > Quoting James Moritz : > >> Dear Rik, LF Group, >> >> At the moment (2030utc), they are transmitting a CW beacon signal on >> 503.1kHz, apparently the same signal level as before. QRN is getting >> very heavy here. >> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >> 73 de M0BMU >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:33 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV >> >> >>> nil from G0MRF here (until 19:30 UTC) >>> Are they QRV ? >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB094-ae24a0893e81c7; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:09:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB088-ae24a0893e81c7; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:08:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3cj0-0006DY-Jn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:07:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3cj0-0006DP-5a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:07:50 +0100 Received: from smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.72]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3ciy-0006Qx-RZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:07:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 48953 invoked from network); 11 May 2009 21:06:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=mUDljbC8OpbcAs7YMimrT02tKkHpHNKWbOk0sPlXVlX0vtjKs5bUoHtBKlqHZGSwPfrra70HuUH/Au+FvCRz1sy4PlICgKjedshK1hr4WgqPHMdGsGl+x5de4AMKzRqyKRESX6hxUimW+1f97z8lpyBiL2+RXcHdsnh3B47cxfQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.106.68 with login) by smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2009 21:06:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: C1JPEp4VM1k4im.Zm5WKkXXS1L.9gLH4B_2OFXVhRJETPBToZIF7HGE_lfd._f53hBL1ul0.blaogp_FzLVNN6wNeDlK88TtrndCX2VlBEGeVmZvHCv0gXUgVSTuHZzOHKxyYhe_Wso7Je8leZw9rSZz5o8hyb9RJwwf2OSzmSsBJ3PYZPlUpbUuolZrqFnGw5HE7qc1xXanAzYGdwvBzpDcNpQXUrQ6JI.4sG7W7BDeNd6heOL8dXRSOAQ42eibKbw_tdQnRfvhW_ZyPQOs4EshBjHC8x2uwWSj0Ls1szZ1h4ekfQd3qwFQTTf8.6WsURthSseaedlm1xzf2PIz2Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <9659CE43107944DF8A7F81D69373369E@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1B3950C0CC6641F29CD92B0269A04581@JimPC> <6CAB0066191C4E76B92C8821061A1CB9@AGB> <20090511101759.CBFC3F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090511101759.CBFC3F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:59:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 3 Mode Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Rik, LF Group, There are a couple of things I have noticed about MFSK4 receiving Graham's beacon, and in a QSO with G0NBD and M0LMH last week: The frequency has to be set accurately; a 3Hz offset was enough to prevent any copy. The AFC function in FLdigi did not appear to work well in this mode. Once set to the correct frequency, you have to wait several seconds before any copy is produced. This would seem to be because of the interleaving of data over several transmitted symbols. The result is that unless TX and RX frequencies are accurately calibrated, it is quite possible to get no copy with good signals. Adjusting the frequency offset by trial and error is tricky, especially with short transmissions, due to the delay in decoding. Once the frequency is accurately set, it seems to work quite well, although it was slower, and had wider bandwidth, compared to the other two modes. I will probably be transmitting WSPR again in the next few days, once the RX antennas are sorted out - maybe I will even be able to receive you then ;-) I'll let you know. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 3 Mode Beacon Jim, Graham, MFSK4 seems to be good once you have it synchronized, as John (W1TAG) states. But the threshold to synchronize seems to be rather high. Despite the fact that you signal was audible and the both Throbx2 and psk31 were printing well I couldn't decode anything in MFSK4. MFSK4 is probably a good mode to scope with QSB/QRN for a signal the that peaks strong enough but when the signal is really weak Throbx2 seems the winner. A pity that there is little info about Throb(x) on the web. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T PS: Jim, if you plan another WSPR session please let me know. I will try to join (transmitting). From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df10.mx.aol.com (rly-df10.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.23]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF031-57f4a04a4af2d1; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:31:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF102-57f4a04a4af2d1; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:31:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2XeS-0007Sr-HD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:30:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2XeS-0007Si-6D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:30:40 +0100 Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2XeO-00011Q-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 22:30:39 +0100 Received: from DR2 ([71.184.212.10]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJC00AOHH260MB8@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:30:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "dave.riley3" To: References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:30:05 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Any T/A all nighter beacons?? 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On the band was a lot of QRM last night, but I saw "W" well. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS _________________________________________________________________ What's New v�m to �ekne hned, jak se to stane. Uka� mi jak. http://home.live.com/ --_59afe38e-710f-4c08-bd3b-c73043f17e04_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Anatolij, LF!
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--_d76cf126-cc44-436a-91fe-ef5e3e7aa04e_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME093-9974a0ef7ff27e; Sat, 16 May 2009 13:29:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME013-9974a0ef7ff27e; Sat, 16 May 2009 13:29:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5Nga-0002fJ-BL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 18:28:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5Nga-0002fA-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 18:28:36 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5NgW-0003Tt-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 18:28:35 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoYFAPeUDkpOlW5W/2dsb2JhbACCUoIAh0IGxR+EAQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.110.86]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 18:28:27 +0100 Message-ID: <007101c9d64b$b954bf40$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 18:28:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006E_01C9D654.1AE6F3B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C9D654.1AE6F3B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now looking for acty on 137.7 Khz.Nil so far mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C9D654.1AE6F3B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now looking for acty on 137.7 Khz.Nil so=20 far

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------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C9D654.1AE6F3B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG081-5f24a17e41221c; Sat, 23 May 2009 07:55:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG097-5f24a17e41221c; Sat, 23 May 2009 07:55:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7pnw-0003SX-J4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:54:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7pnw-0003SO-7p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:54:20 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr14.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.132]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7pnt-0004nK-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:54:19 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2bthomr14.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DFU28455; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:54:13 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A17E3E7.9070806@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:54:15 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A17AE9F.2070000@btconnect.com> <8AB8247AC0EC491BB2748E799A45AC0B@AGB> <4A17D26B.9060605@btconnect.com> <20090523133605.1qbynq53yd20ckgw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090523133605.1qbynq53yd20ckgw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr14.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.4A17E3E5.016F,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: M0FMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik Strobbe wrote: > Hello Richard, > > if you let me know when / on what frequency you are transmitting I > will try to copy your signal. > > Rik I hope to be QRV at 1330z today portable from IO83xd. 200ft inverted L with 8m vertical section. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc04.mx.aol.com (rly-mc04.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.88]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC044-d6d4a11c48c232; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:27:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC045-d6d4a11c48c232; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:26:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M69Pp-00022E-Hm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:26:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M69Pp-000225-5O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:26:29 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M69Pn-0005nq-24 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 21:26:29 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3542.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BF0901C00085 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 22:26:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.31.18]) by mwinf3542.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 7118F1C00084 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 22:26:21 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090518202621463.7118F1C00084@mwinf3542.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <5E438D372376461CB7DB182FFCE2B0F5@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:26:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Beacon - 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Gosh , CW from the speaker ! 589 in io83lk , 39.8 miles , 286 deg Nice signal G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:42 PM To: Subject: LF: Beacon - 500kHz > > I heard someone beaconing on 501.1kHz at 2030 local tonight. Just too > weak to make out the call. Got "test" and QSK before they stopped. > > My beacon is on 501.8 now. > > Any recommended transverter designs for LF? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > - > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: 05/18/09 > 06:28:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB094-ace4a0013a6356; Tue, 05 May 2009 06:23:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB064-ace4a0013a6356; Tue, 05 May 2009 06:23:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1HnB-0000oM-Pr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 11:22:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1HnB-0000oD-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 11:22:29 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1Hn9-0008NF-AM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 11:22:29 +0100 X-Trace: 193222499/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq0EACuw/0lYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKIcVhBHASweDegU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,296,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="193222499" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 May 2009 11:22:24 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:22:24 +0100 Message-ID: <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnNAN2zCNYIMSkfQnSBgrySdarppAAabADg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Rik, You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal needs to be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the partial decode. A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using 85Hz. Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode judging by the strength of your signal. 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test Hello Gary, call the is almost right, locator completely. But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for the last 2 minutes or so. I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further changes, not sure that this is the best mode. So any advice is welcome. I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors and options. I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz bandwidth. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi Rik, > > This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & locator > :- > > RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: rtty test > > dear all, > > I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC > Reports and/or reply welcome. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD024-b7c4a0db3cd3b6; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:26:46 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD056-b7c4a0db3cd3b6; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:26:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M526O-0008JA-SV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:25:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M526O-0008J1-HO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:25:48 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M526L-0000kO-8U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:25:47 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsgEAFtQDUpZ8IaW/2dsb2JhbACCUoF9hF2CZQbEN4QBBQ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.134.150]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 19:24:39 +0100 Message-ID: <006201c9d58a$68f0bb60$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:24:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LF/MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01C9D592.C9B873E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C9D592.C9B873E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now QRV 137.7 and 502.5 RX mode. Nil acty at present 1820 utc TX standby for= QSO mode. G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C9D592.C9B873E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now QRV 137.7 and 502.5 RX mode. Nil acty a= t=20 present 1820 utc TX standby for QSO mode.

G3KEV

------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C9D592.C9B873E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA013-8d54a1ab5ac356; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:14:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA107-8d54a1ab5ac356; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:13:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8brZ-0004fr-DU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:13:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8brY-0004fi-Uy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:13:16 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.127]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8brW-0007GY-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:13:16 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2bthomr09.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DJW49710; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:13:09 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A1AB588.2070603@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:13:12 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A19A7E4.4030606@btconnect.com> <84D65F58F723418B8DC8672A3B10C875@64683d74b6134b3> In-Reply-To: <84D65F58F723418B8DC8672A3B10C875@64683d74b6134b3> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0204.4A1AB585.015B,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Monday activity 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Robert Bennett wrote: > > I know this is a bit off topic, but rather than going up in altitude, > had you considered going down? > > It is over 20 years since I was last in your part of the world, but as > I remember it there is quite a large area of salt marsh at Pagham, a > few miles further along the coast. An aerial with its feet in that > might be an interesting proposition. > Pagham?! It's a long way from Macclesfield. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME013-9a54a1968811ef; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:32:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME031-9a54a1968811ef; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:32:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8FfQ-000881-JK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:31:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8FfQ-00087s-81 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:31:16 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr01.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8FfN-0000Mg-Sz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:31:15 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2beaomr01.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id DNG33165; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:31:08 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A196840.1090803@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:31:12 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <9670125E608A4D63AE541048B2177A02@JimPC> <001a01c9dc5e$b6bbb040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A193360.9010508@btconnect.com> <14D90153B05D421EB30356D325877C2D@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <14D90153B05D421EB30356D325877C2D@JimPC> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr01.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0202.4A19683D.006B,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: First Portable Trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all Someone has suggested running a sloping wire down a cliff and top feeding it. This is an interesting idea. Extending on that idea, if the lower end of the wire was connected to some radials and the upper ends was fed against earth might that work? Instead of a capacity hat it would perhaps be a capacity bottom antenna. Setting up such a system could be hard though. I have not abseiled in a long time. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA082-a4a4a183d0b3b; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:14:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA012-a4a4a183d0b3b; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:14:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7viz-0004f2-QA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 19:13:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7viz-0004et-6h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 19:13:37 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7vix-0006Jf-16 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 19:13:37 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai8FAALaF0pcHCA8/2dsb2JhbACCJyuCAoRggmIGxViECwU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.28.32.60]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 19:13:26 +0100 Message-ID: <00a701c9dbd2$2ac18330$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 19:13:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9DBDA.8C4586D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9DBDA.8C4586D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Checking 137.7 kcs area for acty g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9DBDA.8C4586D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9DBDA.8C4586D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC074-b3c4a01f5d541; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:41:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC088-b3c4a01f5d541; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:40:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1nuT-0007sw-IY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:40:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1nuS-0007si-GH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:40:08 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1nuQ-00067a-2O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:40:07 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AB651C003 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:39:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B4531E702 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:39:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 2FC675BEC; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:39:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 69.175-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (69.175-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.240.175.69]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:39:54 +0200 Message-ID: <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:39:54 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.240.175.69 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, Gerhard, right now (20:35 UTC) I can see traces of my signal on the G3YXM =20 grabber and strong signals from Gary. 73, Rik on the Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi Rik & Gerhard, > > When Rik makes his CQ call I will attempt to make a 2 way contact using th= e > same settings. > > Any reports will be welcome. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 06 May 2009 21:04 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 > minutes. > Same mode as yesterday. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> Hello Rik, >> >> Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. >> Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY tes= t >> transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward > to >> verify a new mode. >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC >> Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) >> >> 73, Rik >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> >>> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one >> more >>> chance for decoding.... >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Hello Gerhard, >>> >>> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>> >>>> >>>> Hello Rik, >>>> >>>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>>> >>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>>> and listen inbetween. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>>> >>>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>>> >>>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer > transmissions. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>> >>>>>> OK Rik, >>>>>> >>>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to >> monitor, >>>> I >>>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>>> >>>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>>> The way I did it: >>>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to > FIR >>>> BPF >>>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK= " >>>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>>> >>>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>>> >>>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>>> needs >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got > the >>>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your > spec. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us >> using >>>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better > decode >>>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobb= e >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the >> colors >>>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. > 100Hz >>>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>>>> locator >>>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik > Strobbe >>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 a= t >>>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC082-b3d4a148c60361; Wed, 20 May 2009 19:04:18 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC091-b3d4a148c60361; Wed, 20 May 2009 19:04:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6uoN-0005ae-Cq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 00:02:59 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6uoM-0005aV-NO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 00:02:58 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.62]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6uoK-0004WR-BB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 00:02:58 +0100 Received: (qmail 58829 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 23:02:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=24se9jpK1wOWErrja0ccBVD/WYU3oIqUb3/ocHtm544Ps1iQWs2JRQLwfWWPTJt6eGTLClQ9plhmChmlWrkBXOuq+enKGXXGrhEFg/CX24oBAec4aSd3mNGjEHT0gfIX0Gdt4vUigFtmkgNW0z7d/NTjd/fn3JyOqL03D9bknvE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 23:02:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mek8dC4VM1m3yJqPnKyaN__IGmGDRdIevADPGAdDdT4lQOfdEO5TU4ArIctCTgujjjwe1OU65JuSXe9TpHbtbBtGcCHFXW0E8WPj6cpJXNhmD1mNNpidQYKTO802ljX5TJP96318le8Jc0eNeyNLVZrA2shAqUYd_PAZ5CwYrc31VGbVnZ7lm2dhegHpLTMwD1wbfhJR83YUJlrRcQtvEMOGm2XyL9gosRTDr_nEmuVRiepNs6afGb.vxMgcvZIu9inw_wI814IaCMWMDUXGHjRd.IAdn8xonaZ.GLR9HMrlXgsdz30- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6651D2695E544D67B12A34A8183A52C2@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> <001501c9d93c$7a2bb640$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <001501c9d93c$7a2bb640$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 00:02:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C9D9A7.7AD78400" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C9D9A7.7AD78400 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Gary, LF group, Since this kind of notch filter has other useful applications too, I had a go at designing something useable from available bits. I used an IF transformer from an ancient transistor radio as a parallel-tuned trap - see the attachment.The circuit is essentially an RF bridge - the1:1 transformer and preset resistor balance out the finite resistance of the trap at resonance. This is a similar principle to Alan's bridged-T circuit. With critical "safe-cracking" adjustments, rejection of 60dB can be achieved at a spot frequency, although the notch is very narrow. But >30dB can be achieved over a useful bandwidth. The 3n3 capacitors flatten out the passband near the cut off frequency and make the response a squarer shape on the LF side of the notch. The improved notch depth is traded off for higher insertion loss, but this is still fairly reasonable at around 4dB. The input/output impedances should be of the order of 50 ohms, but are not critical. You could make a better filter if the Q was higher - the IF transformer had Q around 90; an MW ferrite rod aerial can have a Q of 200 or so at this frequency. The performance of my prototype with 50R source and load looked like this: Loss in passband - 4dB Response down by 3dB at 348kHz, 511.5kHz, 540kHz Bandwidth of rejection notch at -20dB: 2.2kHz, -30dB: 700Hz, -40dB: 200Hz Looking at G4WGT's grabber, that should be adequate to more or less eliminate the Navtex signal image. When I put it between my antenna and RX, it certainly reduced the louder Navtex signals from S9 down into the noise. 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References: <002201c9bc24$6c33fa00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><27CD374833AB46EBA48AF59F6CC2BEF3@DR2><006901c9bc4c$6e72e650$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><20090413221651.jucoh8ac9ogg84g0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><3AFA1B7B9D1240C5AD141ECA52E8A9D2@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090503224435.g501r41tl6tcw484@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 23:25:45 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090503224435.g501r41tl6tcw484@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnMMKJJcuWF0LKoSd6fSIogWSQSMAABKwKA X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: LF: CQ_Test from OR7T Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, LF Congrads to your ufb transverter + linear!!! I am looking forward monitoring your Digital Transmissions. Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Mai 2009 22:45 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: CQ_Test from OR7T Hello Gerhard, LF, thanks for the report. I just finished a transverter + linear PA and it was one of the first =20 on-air tests. Transverter: 4.5MHz to 500kHz with 4MHz xtal osc + SBL1 mixer + buffer =20 amp 50mW out PA: modified 3-30MHz PA, just changed the input and output transformers. Output is about 100W (1.5A antenna current) Power is about 4dB down on the other (class D) PA, but modifying an =20 existing PA was the fast option. I hope to run some first digital tests (PSK, WSPR, RTTY ...) during =20 the next weeks. Maybe I'll try to build a "big" 500kHz linear PA (> 300W) in summer. Building a 500kHz modified version of the G3YXM linear PA for 160-40m =20 (http://wireless.org.uk/throb.htm) looks tempting, anyone tried this =20 already ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > > Hello Rik, LF > > > > heard your Test_Call (OR7T) on 502,7 KHz in Regular CW-Mode with 559 > > in JN59LN. > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA043-8b24a17d0c0256; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:32:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA064-8b24a17d0c0256; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:32:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7oW6-0002mo-4K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:31:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7oW5-0002mf-Lu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:31:49 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7oW2-0004Na-Li for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:31:48 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3ABB61C00084 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:31:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.56.40]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id AB39C1C00081 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:31:36 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090523103136701.AB39C1C00081@mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <8AB8247AC0EC491BB2748E799A45AC0B@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4A17AE9F.2070000@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A17AE9F.2070000@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:31:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: M0FMT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard, Your beacon was quite strong the other night into Wallasey, 3 miles west of Liverpool , what is you power/ae set up ? Graham -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:06 AM To: Subject: LF: M0FMT > > Calling CQ on 502. Heard many times here in last couple of days but > can't hear me :-( > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.36/2128 - Release Date: 05/22/09 > 06:03:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db05.mx.aol.com (rly-db05.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.80]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB061-ac94a115b2f3a8; Mon, 18 May 2009 08:57:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB057-ac94a115b2f3a8; Mon, 18 May 2009 08:57:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M62OH-0008Tf-P1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:56:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M62OH-0008TW-8y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:56:25 +0100 Received: from psmtp09.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.23]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M62OF-0008Fr-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:56:25 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp09.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KJU004CJBXT4A@psmtp09.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 14:56:17 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:56:15 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <7A4EC72FBFD14EE6BCDFD2F1B77BCC12@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AFJ 18-05.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xQQvKazS7lGhgx7Q5pDGAg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_xQQvKazS7lGhgx7Q5pDGAg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_+9Wg5/Q7XRC84Rqm3lT+jA)" --Boundary_(ID_+9Wg5/Q7XRC84Rqm3lT+jA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Jean-Pierre,lf capture with spm-19 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: AFJ 18-05.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi Jean-Pierre,lf

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73s
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mwinf3619.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id D0E917000084 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:31:49 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090504203149855.D0E917000084@mwinf3619.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <109DCE3D58BE4C3DAD93CFE7859DA29B@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8bf118410905040810m1fb41016pab9a1c0a7c79bf06@mail.gmail.com> <106017.93017.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <106017.93017.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 21:31:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01C9CCFF.B55DCD00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C9CCFF.B55DCD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris Its not the battery is it ... assume the supply voltage / regulated volta= ge is holding constant ? G ..=20 From: Chris Osborn=20 Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:23 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Thanks again Dave and Alan, I've spent a few more hours on the F/S meter today and still have not found=20= the problem. I can blow with a drinking straw on any component and there's very little output change yet with time there's a slow drift with temperature - the outp= ut goes up with increased temperature. I thought I'd found the problem as by squeezing the ferrite rod 's screening= tube I could get a fair change in the output (about 10 %). The tube's metal is not aluminium but I guess an aluminium alloy. In any case I changed it for a proper aluminium tube - no difference ! >From the shack's temperature of 23 degrees and taking the F/S meter outside= to an ambient=20 13 degrees the meter's output changed from 0.48 volts to 0.35 volts !! I have run out of ideas now and am thinking maybe it's even the permeability= of the die cast box that's changing or maybe the perspex end caps of the ferrite rod. . . . I'm=20= getting desperate ! 73 Chris G3XIZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, 4 May, 2009 16:10:26 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Chris Have you tried a can of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies?=20= Is it the ferrite aerial or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain= then a little negative feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-deco= upled source resistor. Dave 'YXM 2009/5/3 Chris Osborn LF, I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook= ), modified for use on the 500 kHz band. I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering availa= ble components, the differences being: a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published varicap= s. b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the publi= shed LW coil. I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field ye= t the=20 field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and= can vary up to 30 %. I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've spe= nt hours trying to correct it. 73 Chris G3XIZ --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Chris

Its not the battery is it ... assume=20 the supply voltage / regulated voltage is holding =20 constant ?

G ..

From: Chris Osborn

Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:23 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

Thanks again Dave and Alan,

I've spent a few more hours on the F= /S=20 meter today and still have not found the problem.
I can blow with a drink= ing=20 straw on any component and= =20 there's very little
output change yet with time there's a slow drift with= =20 temperature - the output goes up
with increased temperature.

I tho= ught=20 I'd found the problem as by squeezing the ferrite rod 's screening tube
I= =20 could get a fair change in the output (about 10 %).
The tube's metal is n= ot=20 aluminium but I guess an aluminium alloy.
In any case I changed it for a=20 proper aluminium tube - no difference !

From the shack's temperature=20 of 23 degrees and taking the F/S meter outside to an ambient
13=20 degrees the meter's output changed from 0.48 volts to 0.35 volts=20 !!

I have run out of ideas now and am thinking maybe it's even the=20 permeability of the die cast box
that's changing or maybe the perspex end= =20 caps of the ferrite rod. . . . I'm getting desperate !

73 Chris=20 G3XIZ

From: Dave Pick=20 <daveyxm@googlemail.com>
To:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent:= Monday, 4 May, 2009=20 16:10:26
Subject: Re: LF:= Field=20 Strength Meter - advice needed

Chris

Have you tried a c= an=20 of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies? Is it the ferrite aer= ial=20 or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain then a little negative=20 feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-decoupled source=20 resistor.

Dave 'YXM

2009/5/3 Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>

LF,

I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF=20 Experimenters' Handbook),
modified for use on the 500 kHz band.

= I've=20 followed the published circuit as near as possible considering available=20 components,
the differences being:
a) I have used a small variable=20 capacitor instead of the published varicaps.
b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in= the=20 front end instead of dual gate mosfets.
c) Obviously I now use the MW c= oil=20 of the ferrite rod instead of the published LW coil.

I have made a=20 decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet the
fiel= d=20 strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and can v= ary=20 up to
30 %.

I would be most grateful for any advice on curing th= is=20 problem as I've spent hours trying
to correct it.

73 Chris=20 G3XIZ

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G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

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------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C9CCFF.B55DCD00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-55b4a21153515c; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:15:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF066-55b4a21153515c; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:15:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMWE-0000BE-Db for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:14:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMWE-0000B5-2N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:14:30 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAMWA-0005V4-JG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:14:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 99559 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 11:14:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=INNBbWu9Hg6ARW+kwJI9cY10/KkS4hfvIgWJoXCh0KdDFtU1IjUgDlLxJb9NkI/xvjC3WeT3rtTvd1zxDMI8AJWaD65ECyGDub/xQRbf12QiN5eHajSW6Mqjn7MLDnLEo3VCUY/6DWUrto4HUF43t5rBE+c+ovG9cphQWJdbXhw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.109.171 with login) by smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 11:14:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yw749eYVM1nbdREqhsEFSBngSnTej4JovEd6A_s3hb_S3L0qEIGuVEWm_2nb9gg5eszkxuvWTI1E8RoxvczZlx8vrtoxjWzadHWt6dvLX8SSoKyqSSiJrC9PB_9PV5KDNJETXPaBxolI7J4mnfvotajjCrg69Sde.gEg_Mu_TshhR8l2wJAzH3WmDb0H2kmRnmf.3r5yAtBc6soPXIgOoSkEMg7OTFoOIcFFwhqq56_Jo9wRT2wN_8fb4L3YKsH6pjfJGUkj7Gix_93doVYCbUj67p86tIxqYcb3KZ9eW4pcW2pbzXVwPqLxzzeSsF2xnwRLXmDzgs2rfeZ0.4nHSFZkvHoM X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <680B4916AEFB47F8BF97E03185A1E223@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:14:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Information - crystals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Laurie, LF Group, Quartslab, who used to have an ad in RadCom, seem to have moved to Ireland, but are still offering one-off crystals - see http://www.quartslab.com/ Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "lawrence mayhead" To: "rsgb" Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: LF: Information > Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB074-af14a0491a7376; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:10:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB107-af14a0491a7376; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:10:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2WOG-0006XU-HB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:09:52 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2WOG-0006XK-3s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:09:52 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2WOE-00015F-PD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:09:52 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C65BF7000086 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:09:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.36.218]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 8FC027000082 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:09:42 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090508200942588.8FC027000082@mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:09:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Gary , What do you make the BW ? looks to be just 100 Hz close in ? Tnx - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary - G4WGT" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:59 PM To: Subject: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > > Hi Graham, LF, > > Coming in here no problem. > > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd > qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham > Sent: 08 May 2009 20:05 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent > > > Narrow , MFSK 4 running 503.000 cent freq > > tx set 502.000 usb / 1000 hz audio cent > > FLDIGI software > > 100 Hz bw ? how wide do you make it ? > > tnx- Graham > > G0NBD > > IO83LK > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2103 - Release Date: 05/07/09 > 18:05:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC073-b064a17d29415c; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:40:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC022-b064a17d29415c; Sat, 23 May 2009 06:40:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7odl-0002zQ-Iq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:39:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7odl-0002zH-6h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:39:45 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr05.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.183]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7odj-0004YN-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:39:45 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2beaomr05.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id COF28110; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:39:37 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A17D26B.9060605@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:39:39 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A17AE9F.2070000@btconnect.com> <8AB8247AC0EC491BB2748E799A45AC0B@AGB> In-Reply-To: <8AB8247AC0EC491BB2748E799A45AC0B@AGB> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr05.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0207.4A17D269.0127,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: M0FMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham wrote: > Richard, > > Your beacon was quite strong the other night into Wallasey, 3 miles > west of Liverpool , what is you power/ae set up ? > Graham I am running about 15 watts into a T aerial with 40m top and 6m vertical. This is at 10m above ground level. I estimate the ERP at a little less than 100mW. I would be grateful for any field strength measurements. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG083-a394a069cbe399; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:22:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG103-a394a069cbe399; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:22:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M35E3-0006qM-Hf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:21:39 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M35E3-0006qD-4g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:21:39 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M35E1-0007ST-HN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:21:39 +0100 X-Trace: 193219819/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvgEAFo5BkpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTYQWvVoHgXaCAQU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,323,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="193219819" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 10 May 2009 10:20:36 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <4A067B34.9060701@btconnect.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:20:36 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c9d150$941e6aa0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <4A067B34.9060701@btconnect.com> Thread-Index: AcnRPSm5B+xM6wbwR2mVpfg4/Z/U8QAEuEQg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard, You wrote :- G4WGT was strong (599) Thank you for my report & welcome to the 500KHz band. Do you know about the UK500KHZ Group at :- http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Richard Newstead Sent: 10 May 2009 07:59 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: 503.600KHz Test James Moritz wrote: > Dear Gary, LF Group, > > You are S5 here at the moment in a the rising QRN. Also can see G0NBD > and OR7T attempting a QSO in MSK4 - Rik's signal is just about visible > on the waterfall, but will have to wait until I have completed > noise-cancelling improvements before I will stand a chance of copying > it here. G4JNT's beacon is also a good signal. > > Earlier, I had a CW QSO with G3XIZ, and this morning with Dennis, > M0JXM, who was a new one for me. > Jim I heard you and G3XIZ well in IO83wg (both 559). G4WGT was strong (599) G0NBD was also strong (589). The Swedish beacon on 500 was 549. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5aa4a11ba77a9; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:44:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG025-5aa4a11ba77a9; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:43:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M68jf-0001Jn-Ix for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M68je-0001Je-WE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:55 +0100 Received: from imr-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M68jc-0004r8-Gi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:54 +0100 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-d03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a11b9f1161; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:37 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.cb0.4135fb56 (34922) for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.154]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA037-5c3c4a11b9e691; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:30 -0400 Received: from webmail-dd01 (webmail-dd01.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.1]) by smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB032-5c3c4a11b9e691; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:26 -0400 References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> <20090517222630.ae0y0n55sb7ookoo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g0mrf@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42951-STANDARD Received: from 87.80.206.159 by webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.1) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:26 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBA607C4722FC0-157C-146@webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBA607C487A4FC_157C_2AF_webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_20_30,HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CBA607C487A4FC_157C_2AF_webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" And yet, the first transatlantic cross band and 136kHz - 136k=C2=A0QSOs both= involved stations south of Watford.=C2=A0 Dream on Crazy diamond. David Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136= and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in th= at area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.=C2=A0 Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scot= land and still do. -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops This is a meaningless argument about 25 watts and range on LF. One needs to=20= know about the actual antenna in use and the resulting ERP.=C2=A0 Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136= and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in th= at area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.=C2=A0 Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scot= land and still do.=C2=A0 There were also some big signals from EU at the time, unfortunately now all=20= gone QRT, all active on CW.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 G3KEV=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" =C2=A0 To: =C2=A0 Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM=C2=A0 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi Warren,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 depends on what you call a neighbour.=C2=A0 In the early days of 136kHz I worked=3D2 0stations up to 400km under=C2=A0 similar conditions.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Quoting Warren Ziegler :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Tnx Laurence,=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will=C2=A0 > have to get some of his neighbors on.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 73 Warren K2ORS=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China > wr= ote:=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites -=20= >> fyi=C2=A0 >> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> From: ja3vqw Hiroshi=C2=A0 >> Hi Laurence=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> Thanks for your e-mail.=C2=A0 >> Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last= =C2=A0 >> month.=C2=A0 >> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO >> w= ith=C2=A0 >> any station.=C2=A0 >> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz.=C2=A0 >> So if you find my signal please QSL me.=C2=A0 >> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W.=C2=A0 >> The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long.=C2=A0 >> 73=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! 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And yet, the first transatlantic cross band and 136kHz - 136k QSOs= both involved stations south of Watford.

Dream on Crazy diamond.

David

Early U= K experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136 and co= uld not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in that area= . This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.
Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scot= land and still do.

-----Original Message-----
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27
Subject: Re: LF: JA ops

This is a meaningless argument about 25 wat= ts and range on LF. One needs to know about the actual antenna in use and th= e resulting ERP.
Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136= and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in th= at area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.
Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scot= land and still do.
There were also some big signals from EU at the time, unfortunately now all=20= gone QRT, all active on CW.

G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JA ops

Hi Warren,

depends on what you call a neighbour.
In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to 400km under
similar conditions.

73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.= com>:

> Tnx Laurence,
>
> If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will&nbs= p;
> have to get some of his neighbors on.
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>
> On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com> > wrote: =
>>
>> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info si= tes - >> fyi
>> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A
>>
>>
>> From: ja3vqw Hiroshi
>> Hi Laurence
>>
>> Thanks for your e-mail.
>> Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho= ) last
>> month.
>> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QS= O >> wit h
>> any station.
>> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz.
>> So if you find my signal please QSL me.
>> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W.
>> The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long.
>> 73
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=E2=80=99t worry about s= torage limits. >> Check
>> it out.
>> _________________________________________________________________&n= bsp;
>> Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=C2=AE. >> http://windows= live.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1= _052009
>
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB/2
> WE2XGR/1
>
>

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----------MB_8CBA607C487A4FC_157C_2AF_webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA071-a7c4a0d9c1ccb; Fri, 15 May 2009 12:45:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA074-a7c4a0d9c1ccb; Fri, 15 May 2009 12:45:18 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M50We-0007pJ-Vd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:44:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M50We-0007pA-KA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:44:48 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr02.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.120]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M50WY-0008TX-C7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:44:47 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host81-155-60-146.range81-155.btcentralplus.com [81.155.60.146]) by c2bthomr02.btconnect.com with ESMTP id KIZ48246; Fri, 15 May 2009 17:43:22 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0D9BAC.6060808@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:43:24 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> <20090515183514.mt168ada0ug4k4c4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090515183514.mt168ada0ug4k4c4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr02.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.4A0D9BAA.0146,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Aerial current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik Strobbe wrote: > Hello Richard, > > is you antenna matched to 50 Ohm ? Not sure but the optimum power transfer suggests that it is matched to the output impedance of the transmitter. > If you just bring it to resonance (loading coild adjustment) the > antenna impedance can be anything between 10 and 100 Ohm. > And some 10m's length of coax can cause some odd impedance > transformations, even on 500kHz. > > There is no coax involved (well only 30cm) here so it is not that! Strange! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de11.mx.aol.com (rly-de11.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.147]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE051-51249fcd4793ad; Sat, 02 May 2009 19:17:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE113-51249fcd4793ad; Sat, 02 May 2009 19:17:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0ORe-0007ev-1v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 00:16:34 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0ORd-0007em-AV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 00:16:33 +0100 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0ORb-00007t-KC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 00:16:33 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-19-222.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.19.222] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1M0ORT-000Gcl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 00:16:23 +0100 Message-ID: <49FCD76F.2060303@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 00:29:51 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> In-Reply-To: <555309400.20090429233207@dx.ru> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RU beacons May 1-2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090202050805060900000308" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------090202050805060900000308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello again Ed, Just closed down at 2300z. The attached image shows your signal from 2050 to 2250z. It was just beginning to fade at the end. I have dismantled my 136station to make way for more general antenna work. The receiving arrangement used for 136kHz tonight was an HF multiband quad and feeder with a loading and matching arrangement. The receiver is an FT 990. No other signals seen on the band. Regards Peter G3LDO > > I'll make DX beacons May, 1-2 on 137.778 from 1630z till 23z, > on 136.320 from 23z till 0230z, same May, 2-3. > > QTH: Machta, KN97LN, sunset 1630z and sunrise 0215z (1 May) > abt 5W ERP (100W output in Big Vertical) > QRSS 120, "RU" + CW ID "RU6LA" (start & stop) > > Reports welcome > > 73! 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3xlo5BAVM1lhwdaQwbDfnlPW8R8xOF4yiMqKLJMbbY_KSjBxzb8oAhyXByG6zlr36BBbiZQrOkEEGvr8WvuVvA5cn2nX2Rfpwek6nfpxKtU9fCJpstzyVROP6FJtFx2Fu_d.ylzsk8zJpKcVZhMLyIJodmchQrtOCMHKN9kmBeS82sRJnBGTmetoqsy5P_5Lf6xtQzDM0T8NjggdlmjSKR4kN.6XqvaM2kWzKWoGtj4Ah2xlf4EtUo_y7IL6rBZnBlTxNNPdeTS15SF7zCGsoT0Wq6qIO1rf6060T1gphasnj9r1yKXIM7KX0BGBxemdu0Dn92uZ X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6F0CDDC7203448F5A37B67DD2B02B1D5@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:08:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Beacon - 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 2nd attempt... > Any recommended transverter designs for LF? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI Dear Richard, LF Group, You can see what I am using if you go to http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/files and download the file EER_Transverter_v3.pdf. The basic transverter part provides receive and milliwatt-level transmit over 10kHz - 550kHz, and could be used with types of PA other than the EER modulator/class D designs described. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE031-4d94a13c15a22f; Wed, 20 May 2009 04:38:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE056-4d94a13c15a22f; Wed, 20 May 2009 04:37:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6hIO-0000PO-63 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:37:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6hIN-0000PF-Js for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:37:03 +0100 Received: from smtp122.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.84.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6hIN-0008Mf-31 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:37:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 92222 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 08:36:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=wHP1um119wSiJfDD9EAqSWqHLOTluYE3gPH1WgZlBntalX1jLP/+71T+qkIfDEz3E6CU3zDGrNk0jvFX1gNPzjIpo7MRvGcalR3NcZxaUberxNGqHEKGNexzFpMz/CXB3nsKDF4TbF5yKjYhwnK9rhdvg5XF33MeBh1Afwt8uMo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.138.91.254 with login) by smtp122.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 08:36:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DhT8k7QVM1nc53zxkXvUmcCrsInFPHBUHjpedITHOl445U4H.ShvsUTYtuvzr0cxCeHx9q6DsRtfew81Lrw.uwIonz5bBZHZVkWMIcP1AbR8OVXkuGHG84R.UMtgs5pb93rUCJTzqhh._EnJTCgyUUeMZfVeEbaJXnGB314gOsU2p1h4uu7F5Qr_TEY5_jOao9gw_4Yg5H4vTeBVlxAyO6EOsAst.vIaG5fm4pca9_I_DlUkJokF8Vw5r2C_rW7pYTRvSs_DOdCMyXzXsTjUSxC_2r2MHOs.CNFAIAXW3xBEbCMhGRbdYNPUT5lI_ZVjo1Ww8xZSghAbYsFiwH4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <117598D055BB4752B434D00FED548617@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> <20090519232905.l4n0cl7o5vk0oogs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:36:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C9D92E.821D4890" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C9D92E.821D4890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andy. Where can I obtain a copy of Ansoft Designer from, I usually use Addie for f= ilters, a second option would be worth having. 73 Ken M0KHW=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:07 PM Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Ansoft Designer came up with this solution.=20 http://www.g4jnt.com/518kHz_BandStop.gif The component values aren't particulalrly nice, and there is almost certai= nly a nicer design with transformers to be found, but... Andy G4JNT 2009/5/19 Rik Strobbe Gary, a simple series L-C notch works best when - Q is high =3D you need a good coil (capacitor Q shouldn't be the probl= em) - the output "sees" a high impedance (FET buffer) - the source impedance is high compared to the loss resistance of the co= il (eventualy put a R of a few 100 Ohm in serie with the antenna) But it will be a hard job to get a decent attenuation at 518 while passi= ng 501-506 without too much losses. An alternative would be a xtal filter as a passband filter for 501-506. If you can find a number of 500kHz xtals and "polish" them up some kHz. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=20 Quoting Gary - G4WGT : Hi LF, You may have seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at=20= about 506KHz. The original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz. I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel filter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possib= ly due to the bandwidth of the filter?? Is there some simple narrow notch filter which I could use to remove t= he offending signal. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C9D92E.821D4890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Andy.

Where can I obtain a copy of Ansoft Designe= r from,=20 I usually use Addie for filters, a second option would be worth=20 having.

73

Ken

M0KHW

----- Original Message -----

Andy Talbot

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:07=20 PM

Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch=20 Filter.

Ansoft Designer came up with this solution.

http://www.g= 4jnt.com/518kHz_BandStop.gif

The component values aren't particulalrly nice, and there i= s=20 almost certainly a nicer design with transformers to be found, but...

Andy G4JNT

2009/5/19 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&= gt;

Gary,

a=20 simple series L-C notch works best when
- Q is high =3D you need a go= od=20 coil (capacitor Q shouldn't be the problem)
- the output "sees" a hig= h=20 impedance (FET buffer)
- the source impedance is high compared to the= =20 loss resistance of the coil (eventualy put a R of a few 100 Ohm in serie= =20 with the antenna)
But it will be a hard job to get a decent attenuati= on=20 at 518 while passing 501-506 without too much losses.

An alternat= ive=20 would be a xtal filter as a passband filter for 501-506.
If you can f= ind=20 a number of 500kHz xtals and "polish" them up some kHz.

73, Rik=20 ON7YD - OR7T=20

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:
=

Hi=20 LF,

You may have seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my= =20 500KHz grabber at about
506KHz. The original of this image is at=20 518KHz. The receiver for this
grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz mod= ule=20 modified for 500KHz.

I have attempted to notch the sign= al=20 using a simple series or parallel
filter but only succeeded in=20 seriously degrading the whole band possibly due
to the bandwidth of= the=20 filter??

Is there some simple narrow notch filter which= I=20 could use to remove the
offending=20 signal.

73,

Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83QP.

------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C9D92E.821D4890-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-abf4a0b3338225; Wed, 13 May 2009 16:53:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB045-abf4a0b3338225; Wed, 13 May 2009 16:53:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4LR3-0006WX-Ke for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 21:52:17 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4LR3-0006WO-5z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 21:52:17 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4LR0-0008DD-Na for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 21:52:17 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 56EBF7000085 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:52:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.52.149]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id CB5537000082 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:52:06 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090513205206832.CB5537000082@mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:51:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Warren, Yes ..its not the dds , but the rock that runs it hihi , first one i saw in use was fed with nearly 1 ghz clock , before the ppl clock systems .. dont think the ppl systems wander .. but do seem to produce more 'spurs .. all my kit is conventional xtla ref /ppl , this vfo is run some old xtal controlled marine equipment mf/hf .. so will be behind quite a few tuned cct's (you should of seen the traces from my 4 mtr (70 mhz) wspr tx a while back .. now that was drift) tnx- G .. This one seems to fit the bill , link from Gerhard , http://www.box73.de/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=112_115&products_id=119&osCsid=9nk30edle1v6k0oooub8e4fjs2 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Ziegler" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:48 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? > > Graham, > > Be aware that some of the available DDS kits use a > non-temperature compensated reference oscillator and may not be > suitable for longer duration QRSS work unless you take care to keep > them in a constant temp environment. > I ran an inexpensive DDS driving my 137kHz transmitter, and you could > tell when I turned the thermostat up or down in the hamshack by the > direction of drift of my QRSS 60 signals! > The worst case was when I had it sitting in a rack above my > oscilloscope, you should have seen the drift after using the scope and > turning it off! > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Graham wrote: >> >> Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit , >> better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working >> even better ! >> >> Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to >> enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device >> >> Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master >> oscillator for tx >> >> Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) >> >> Tnx- Graham . > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2110 - Release Date: 05/12/09 > 06:22:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC083-b1c4a00b7ce36d; Tue, 05 May 2009 18:04:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC048-b1c4a00b7ce36d; Tue, 05 May 2009 18:04:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1SjO-0004CX-Rl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 23:03:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1SjO-0004CO-GS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 23:03:18 +0100 Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1SjL-00036s-HW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 23:03:17 +0100 Received: from DR2 ([71.184.212.10]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJ600BJNYKK3DIT@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:02:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <9B3F74AF2AC642BB8C3317606C3D01A1@DR2> From: "dave.riley3" To: References: <000301c9bc43$b366cfa0$6401a8c0@radiocomputer> <4A00A343.3080806@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 18:02:44 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 A big black ferrite that works down there... Bifilar wound 1:1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Bryant" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 600MRG> T or F? > Dave >> >> Exhibit #1 www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP109.jpg > > An interesting design - what are you using as a broadband match in > xformer for the 200KHz - HF? > > Thanks > > Stewart/G3YSX > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (rly-mf09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.179]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF084-97c4a007edb298; Tue, 05 May 2009 14:01:18 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF092-97c4a007edb298; Tue, 05 May 2009 14:01:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1Ovy-00026p-La for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:00:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1Ovy-00026g-75 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:00:02 +0100 Received: from imo-m13.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.101] helo=imo-m13.mail.aol.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1Ovw-0000Gd-9H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:00:01 +0100 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imo-m13.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a007e8216; Tue, 05 May 2009 13:59:40 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.ca9.48719234 (37540) for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.150]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB021-5c784a007e7222e; Tue, 05 May 2009 13:59:27 -0400 Received: from webmail-da16 (webmail-da16.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.211]) by smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB037-5c784a007e7222e; Tue, 05 May 2009 13:59:14 -0400 References: <88d2415e0905041311m2b3902d4m19e5460371c5ff88@mail.gmail.com> <4A006EFC.3010401@ukonline.co.uk> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 13:59:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4A006EFC.3010401@ukonline.co.uk> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g0mrf@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42813-STANDARD Received: from 87.80.206.159 by webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.211) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 May 2009 13:59:14 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB9BC255FD96DE-10B0-1974@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Racal 5501 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB9BC25610A9C6_10B0_3462_webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_20_30,HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CB9BC25610A9C6_10B0_3462_webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Laurie. I recall that when I first powered up my Decca, it had low output on one module. That turned out to be a blown diode in the power recovery unit.? - It's been so long I've forgotten the full detail. 73 David Hi Laurie,? I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the fault is clear - it just has blown power FETs.? You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the two faulty ones? I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the moment? ? Regards? ? Peter, G3LDO? >? > Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments > that I could buy?? > One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to > about a third,? > so far can't find the fault.? > 73 Laurie G3AQC? -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dodd To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:53 Subject: Re: LF: Racal 5501 Hi Laurie,? I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the fault is clear - it just has blown power FETs.? You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the two faulty ones? I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the moment? ? Regards? ? Peter, G3LDO? >? > Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments > that I could buy?? > One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to > about a third,? > so far can't find the fault.? > 73 Laurie G3AQC? ? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ----------MB_8CB9BC25610A9C6_10B0_3462_webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Laurie.

I recall that when I first powered up my Decca, it had low output on one module. That turned out to be a blown diode in the power recovery unit. - It's been so long I've forgotten the full detail.

73

David

Hi Laurie,
I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the fault is clear - it just has blown power FETs.
You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the two faulty ones
I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the moment

Regards

Peter, G3LDO
>
> Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments > that I could buy?
> One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to > about a third,
> so far can't find the fault.
> 73 Laurie G3AQC

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Dodd <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:53
Subject: Re: LF: Racal 5501

Hi Laurie,
I have a spare Power Amp Module 5501 but it is also faulty. However, the fault is clear - it just has blown power FETs.
You can have it for free - you should be able to make a good one from the two faulty ones
I thought I had some spare power FETs but I can't find them at the moment

Regards

Peter, G3LDO
>
> Does anyone have a Racal Power Amp Module 5501 surplus to requirments > that I could buy?
> One of the modules in my Decca TX has developed a fault, power down to > about a third,
> so far can't find the fault.
> 73 Laurie G3AQC

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mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.156.196]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 17:32:59 +0100 Message-ID: <005e01c9dfb1$f6b87920$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:32:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C9DFBA.584D1E90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C9DFBA.584D1E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable B29 MAMA BEAR equipment, how did it get that name? I wonder. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: F4DTL@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF B29 or B17 Mal, My CU25 ATU modified for the 137 KHz trafic: http://img37.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3Dcu25.jpg 73 de F4DTL Nicolas Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 28/05/2009 12:50:38 Paris, Madrid (heure d'=E9t= =E9), g3kevmal@talktalk.net a =E9crit : Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13 called MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER AI= RCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs with 200 feet trailing wire ante= nna.=20 Contains variometer, switches and vac relay.=20 I have a nice specimen at my QTH. Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna matching. Maybe someone has used one in a B29 G3KEV ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/27/09= 18:21:00 ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C9DFBA.584D1E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
B29 MAMA BEAR equipment, how did it get that name? I wonder.

mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----

F4DTL@aol.com <= /DIV>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:51=20 PM

Subject: Re: LF: ATU MF

B29 or B17 Mal,

My CU25 ATU modified for the 137 KHz trafic:

ht= tp://img37.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3Dcu25.jpg

73 de F4DTL=20 Nicolas

Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 28/05/2009 12:50:38 Paris, Madrid (heure d'= =E9t=E9),=20 g3kevmal@talktalk.net a =E9cr= it=20 :

Look out for ATU type CU - 25/ART - 13=20= called=20 MAMA BEAR ex B29 BOMBER AIRCRAFT radio equipment. Range 200 - 600 Kcs wi= th=20 200 feet trailing wire antenna.

Contains variometer, switches and vac r= elay.=20

I have a nice specimen at my QTH.

Ideal for 500 Kcs antenna=20 matching.

Maybe someone has used one in a=20 B29

G3KEV

=

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Releas= e=20 Date: 05/27/09 18:21:00
------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C9DFBA.584D1E90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma08.mx.aol.com (rly-ma08.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.52]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA082-8bf4a21103f26f; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:54:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA081-8bf4a21103f26f; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:53:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMBd-00089w-O8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:53:13 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAMBd-00089n-5g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:53:13 +0100 Received: from smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAMBb-0007yj-8t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:53:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 53420 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 10:53:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=ounvkxfb5bDv64enZZCe1wD6jkpC7KCrdjSKix+j9A01IPK+vmKXGHg823eAXwGcXjXpiSzJUEizYcrsH6sLRQ17Ai35n9fJdXZPM4wO9FeEm9ftNpv2uvn820Y8JcRfnqMP2wMRoRe/nukgVuaCUQHyRB5nGVR40GZmj0FCIyQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.141.127.128 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 10:53:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IhvFSFMVM1lgqnyB.EDRSCl4445opqKaxZ4pSpxz1_MGrB_CW9D4wQOz4i6CiWYmbOJMkJ2Ek89Yb_s3J9J37Zdjh_cEOYqZRKlz73TxUazPsLlsP5_gTEObZPf3CrDyzWU49Bf_1XMGXyTJ5dAk8UIAQ61xl4F7JABLRKe5u9mioeHB9h4aTKN_0_Pcrjmy3_CJWWw.xb6.zoGJfOxaZlnRgIkrKXEfILLtSCcX9oYZSksHqTgx3.JGFcixqQquMmOQs.E4lkbrTtOIKkBrdk_YWD6L8DL2cNGoefglq4ifjM_82F6UAHIGkDhI5Rko2HkEWxoHjGIZc2MUCNtPeLcu0Y0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:53:17 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Information Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C9E11D.386C4290" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C9E11D.386C4290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laurie, McKnight and Hy-Q used to advertise in RadCom. They may still be trading. Addresses below. IQD are also around, but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like us! What frequency/style are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector probably has what you need. McKnight Crystals...Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY 01703-848961 ENGLANDHy-Q Intrnational (UK) Ltd. (44) 01223-834444 Fax: (44) 01223-834589. http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/ 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence mayhead Sent: 30 May 2009 11:42 To: rsgb Subject: LF: Information Does anybody manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days? I have trawled Google to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!! Nothing in Radcom. What's happened to companies like QCC ? Any ideas thanks Laurie G3AQC ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C9E11D.386C4290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Laurie,

McKnight and Hy-Q used to advertise in RadCom. They may=20 still be trading. Addresses below.

IQD=20 are also around, but I don't know if they deal with hobbyists, like=20 us!

What=20 frequency/style are you looking for? Somebody on the Reflector probably has=20= what=20 you need.

McKnight <= B style=3D"COLOR: black; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(160,255,255)">Crystals...= Hardley Ind Estate, Hythe, SOUTHAMPTON SO4 6ZY 01703-848961 ENGLAND

Hy-Q Intrnational (UK= ) Ltd. (44) 01223-834444 Fax: (44) 01223-834589.

http://www.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence=20 mayhead
Sent: 30 May 2009 11:42
To:=20 rsgb
Subject: LF: Information

Does anybody=20 manufacture Xtals to specific frequencies these days?
I have trawled Go= ogle=20 to no avail, unless I want to go to China!!!
Nothing in Radcom. What's=20 happened to companies like QCC ?
Any ideas thanks
Laurie=20 G3AQC
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C9E11D.386C4290-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df01.mx.aol.com (rly-df01.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.14]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5244a089e0b379; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:52:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF011-5244a089e0b379; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:52:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dPL-0006tF-Kz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:51:35 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dPL-0006t6-6L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:51:35 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3dPJ-0006ia-L8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:51:35 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5AABC1C00085 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:51:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.77.94]) by mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 192B21C00081 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:51:28 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090511215128103.192B21C00081@mwinf3517.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6D1C191EA94A411EBE76070137DF884E@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> In-Reply-To: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:51:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C9D28A.FB949BB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C9D28A.FB949BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gus, Good signal , 5/9 & 599 , just on the 38 ft vertical and the ft897-d no a= tu=20 73 Graham G0NBD IO83LK From: Gus=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 0= 7:02:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C9D28A.FB949BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gus,

Good signal , 5/9 & 599   , j= ust on=20 the 38 ft vertical and the ft897-d no atu

73 Graham

G0NBD

IO83LK

From: Gus

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kH= z=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW i= d=20 include....

Reports are wellcome.

73 de Gus SM6BHZ

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Da= tabase:=20 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 07:02:00
------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C9D28A.FB949BB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD041-91d4a11d4f23ae; Mon, 18 May 2009 17:36:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD085-91d4a11d4f23ae; Mon, 18 May 2009 17:36:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6AUu-0002Nd-HO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 22:35:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6AUu-0002NU-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 22:35:48 +0100 Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.6]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6AUp-0005UG-5E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 22:35:47 +0100 Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDEF5E08002 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 23:35:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B595CE08111 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 23:35:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A11D4AA.1000107@online.fr> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:35:38 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <96A5CC12310B473B9AF0D24F26D9296F@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <96A5CC12310B473B9AF0D24F26D9296F@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AFJ-2.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Henny , good copy ! 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj henny van elst a =E9crit : > Hello Jean-Pierre,Lf > Capture with rohde&schwarz ek891 > big signal, > henny cpm > best 73s > > =20 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de04.mx.aol.com (rly-de04.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.140]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE021-4cf49fc2010a2; Sat, 02 May 2009 06:27:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE046-4cf49fc2010a2; Sat, 02 May 2009 06:27:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0CQC-0006Or-VB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 11:26:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0CQC-0006Oi-IA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 11:26:16 +0100 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.156]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0CQA-0002eW-73 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 11:26:16 +0100 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so1644331yxf.64 for ; Sat, 02 May 2009 03:26:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z04dWV5mc/04D/FlqwCJJWYoocSr4quvuaNiXbJJOKY=; b=lgyKcIW2PuGFniZMnwefwqpB6jCWC/5n0NIoHcVODM3TWulJU082UI4cKaPpknRqBn c58M/LXTVPWK1scgsu0hGcKlz+2Hi+SQ3GYFjkrYyhLhh6QIyBpqo8WBCe20PQJvOeNh LLRi4fpIsj9Cs6KXN4jl6c7jtcLfwdzY4YR60= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=B/OKzWUbpHiCu8A/Y3wq6trhURTdpSpGpmlEI3r8b/9fTUfu46qb15OVUKf7mjNjrx m+ymdVZOXHVylbpk+iqzx5qO9BTZYwWh/IoAMdyDw2VnrDp+vqiMwkhowkyO9gHhGphZ zyjp8kmoAPUxJFYi3S9ltcpmbv01Ffsfz8wR4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.56.16 with SMTP id e16mr235404aga.50.1241259969799; Sat, 02 May 2009 03:26:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 06:26:09 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905020326j5f95c90bqaafb265762b760c5@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Japan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m241.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Laurence, Cool! Never heard anything about any Japanese activity or interest in LF/MF - be interested to see if anyone gets on. Glad to hear that they got 3.1kHz rather than the mere 2.1 kHz the rest of the world has. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrote: > From 7L1RLL "A new 3.1KHz band width from 135.7KHz to 137.8KHz is assigned > for amateur radio in Japan since March 30 2009." > Either CW or narrow band width data transmition less than 100Hz shall be > used in the new band" > ________________________________ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. See how. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB041-ad04a0dc8762ac; Fri, 15 May 2009 15:54:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB066-ad04a0dc8762ac; Fri, 15 May 2009 15:54:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M53TU-0000Nm-HY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:53:44 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M53TU-0000Nd-5e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:53:44 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M53TS-0004aJ-1F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:53:44 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At8EADdlDUpcGJ1G/2dsb2JhbACCJyuBfYRdgmUGxCmEAQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.24.157.70]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 20:53:32 +0100 Message-ID: <009301c9d596$d39640a0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:53:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: OE5ODL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0090_01C9D59F.3221C4C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C9D59F.3221C4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GOOD SIGNAL QRS3 137.7 Khz 1952 utc de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C9D59F.3221C4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
GOOD SIGNAL QRS3 137.7 Khz 1952 utc<= /DIV>
de g3kev

------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C9D59F.3221C4C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db09.mx.aol.com (rly-db09.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.84]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB091-ae74a202cb56f; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:43:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB095-ae74a202cb56f; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:43:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MA72L-0005g1-JJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:42:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MA72L-0005fr-5m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:42:37 +0100 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MA72J-0004RZ-QX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:42:37 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KKF00G3Z5AS3N@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:42:28 +0200 (MEST) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:42:24 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <83D97B4F38DA47CD8839DB5CEE178257@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: IK5ZPV Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_I6mtuUxUQrgO8adHVpRCxw)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_I6mtuUxUQrgO8adHVpRCxw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lubos,lf hey did not see me, henny pa3cpm 73s ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:21 PM Subject: LF: IK5ZPV Hello LF! I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV in QRSS3 mode. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zd= e!=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.45/2141 - Release Date: 05/29/09= 06:28:00 --Boundary_(ID_I6mtuUxUQrgO8adHVpRCxw) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lubos,lf

hey did not see me,

henny pa3cpm

73s

----- Original Message -----

Lubos OK2= BVG=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:21 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: LF: IK5ZPV

Hello LF!
I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV=20= in=20 QRSS3 mode.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde!=20

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.339 / Viru= s=20 Database: 270.12.45/2141 - Release Date: 05/29/09=20 06:28:00
--Boundary_(ID_I6mtuUxUQrgO8adHVpRCxw)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD022-b694a2173c53a5; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:58:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD033-b694a2173c53a5; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:58:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MASoj-0002uP-He for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:58:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MASoj-0002uG-5V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:58:01 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MASoh-0001WR-2i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:58:01 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYEAEoQIUpOlGLM/2dsb2JhbACCJyuCCIdQBsQJhAwF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.98.204]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 18:57:51 +0100 Message-ID: <00d901c9e150$268eb610$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:57:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Need info Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C9E158.881503A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C9E158.881503A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UPS unit POWERWARE PRESTIGE EXT 1800P2HVSE =20 Tech manual or any info appreciated tnx mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C9E158.881503A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
UPS unit

POWERWARE PRESTIGE EXT 1800P2HVSE &nbs= p; =20

Tech manual or any info appreciated<= /DIV>
tnx mal/g3kev

------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C9E158.881503A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de03.mx.aol.com (rly-de03.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.139]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE072-4c64a046be532e; Fri, 08 May 2009 13:29:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE037-4c64a046be532e; Fri, 08 May 2009 13:29:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Trx-0005o2-Ir for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:28:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2Trx-0005nt-3s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:28:21 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr04.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.182]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Tru-0006S3-R5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:28:20 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2beaomr04.btconnect.com with ESMTP id BAF83858; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:28:12 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 18:28:15 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr04.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020A.4A046BAD.018F,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dave Pick wrote: > Richard > > I think most are "VFO" controlled... Centre of activity appears to be > between 502-503 with beacony things nearer the edges. If you came up > on 502.5 you wouldn't go far wrong! > Thanks Dave. I have had great trouble in getting the UEP VFO into the band as it initially would only just reach 500kHz. In the end I had to remove the trimmer and the 33p to deck, put a second resonator in parallel and couple them to the IC via 150pF instead of directly. With those mods I am now on 502.5kHz. I will need to check to make sure that it stays reliably on frequency (or in the band) over the likely supply voltage and temp range. Still, I'm making progress. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (rly-dd07.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.154]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD082-b884a1705cead; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:07:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD072-b884a1705cead; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:06:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7azi-0001Js-RU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:05:30 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7azi-0001Jj-Cl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:05:30 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7azg-0000km-Gc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:05:30 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mail-ew0-f180.google.com ([209.85.219.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7uPd-00064W-CC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:49:35 +0100 Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so2807189ewy.4 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:49:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=uYVav9Yl6jYxYQDCkiaucPvnIFtfi9Ii8xl6JjwzOc8=; b=MMgh9qrVSOjCWDt7DYRkV+ETUvPPZkHIeIbKJ++c5jssRTBLeq9BAvLiJ9UtYfeMCm v0jFu39DwppW9m1XMzQvsd0IRaAJs0hBUAzjEET73YK5RlK/5GdvxzZha8+M//yI6YZb IwKmzOMTbRzjfB7Kghsz9XI4NFGcDT2KGfs4o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xJRn3yc5Si8lxcun/cnU6bJW9dZ4HvlFcsnB8o5FIEN/TI5ohx1JvRGuvCef1XgPJg qgMqgTwZpge7ycJ4MyNfsasdO+X0qW2aIElG6EE/TkaQkCGSokYQrEQ++fwcrQonTYZ2 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rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d244.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6daa7d30cf970046a972992 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Just think topband with the dimensions scaled accordingly, you were therefore using a 50ft inverted L with a less than 2m high vertical section getting lower.... and 12W. I think a kite is the only way with QRP! I saw something on the grabber though, round about 2pm local? Dave 2009/5/23 Richard Newstead > Not a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed > against 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very > low - within 1 metre of the ground. > > Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping > the feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q > dramatically and the RX and TX performance were very poor. In configurations > where the RX performance was good and the Q high, there was little on no > aerial current on transmit. The only configuration that gave some antenna > current was nearly useless on receive. Connecting a radial to a metal fence > detuned things so much that I go nowhere like that. > > Heard GW0HXO's beacon at reasonable strength and GW3UEP's beacon - just. > Called CQ quite a few times. No takers. > > Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible > "line-timebase" type burble drifting across band. > > Clearly more work required to get a viable system. Tips? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --0016e6daa7d30cf970046a972992 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Richard

Just think topband with the dimensions scaled accordingly, yo= u were therefore using a 50ft inverted L with a less than 2m high vertical s= ection getting lower.... and 12W. I think a kite is the only way with QRP! I saw something on the grabber though, round about 2pm local?

Dave
2009/5/23 Richard Newstead <g3cwi@btconnect.com>

Not a great success= . Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed against 3 radials ea= ch between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very low - within 1 metre=20= of the ground.

Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping t= he feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q dramatic= ally and the RX and TX performance were very poor. In configurations where t= he RX performance was good and the Q high, there was little on no aerial cur= rent on transmit. The only configuration that gave some antenna current was=20= nearly useless on receive. Connecting a radial to a metal fence detuned thin= gs so much that I go nowhere like that.

Heard GW0HXO's beacon at reasonable strength and GW3UEP's beacon - j= ust. Called CQ quite a few times. No takers.

Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible "l= ine-timebase" type burble drifting across band.

Clearly more work required to get a viable system. Tips?

73

Richard
G3CWI

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G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham=20= UK
--0016e6daa7d30cf970046a972992-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB014-cfa4a008c601e7; Tue, 05 May 2009 14:58:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB036-cfa4a008c601e7; Tue, 05 May 2009 14:58:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1Pq3-0002PI-Sn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:57:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1Pq3-0002P9-Hs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:57:59 +0100 Received: from mta41.charter.net ([216.33.127.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1Pq2-00017k-2R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:57:59 +0100 Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.10]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090505185733.UACP9620.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:57:33 -0400 Received: from mp14 ([209.225.8.244]) by imp10 with charter.net id nuxZ1b0065Fuk6h05uxZzs; Tue, 05 May 2009 14:57:33 -0400 Message-ID: <20090505145733.ZR0ZK.2161725.root@mp14> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:57:33 -0700 From: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 64.206.3.50 by ssomail.charter.net; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:57:32 -0400 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: XES 137.779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) WD2XES will be running DFCW on 137.779 kHz tonight from 0H to 0230 UTC with 1W ERP. Elements will be 90 sec, 0.2 Hz shift -- the usual. Reports are welcome. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD041-b804a0c3034db; Thu, 14 May 2009 10:52:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD062-b804a0c3034db; Thu, 14 May 2009 10:52:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4cHU-0006Nh-P1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 15:51:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4cHU-0006NY-Cx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 15:51:32 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4cHQ-0007QA-SB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 15:51:31 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYEAHfMC0pZ8omn/2dsb2JhbACEUMxPhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.137.167]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 15:51:21 +0100 Message-ID: <007201c9d4a3$7221df30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> <006401c9d3f0$729cf2f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A0B0633.4040302@btconnect.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:51:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard The data modes were causing you QRM and taking up 1 khz Bandwidth as well. Draw your own conclusions. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon 502.7kHz > mal hamilton wrote: >> Richard >> Your Beacon is in the middle of the CW qso area. If possible move to >> the low band edge. >> mal/g3kev >> >> > Hi Mal > > Comment noted. It was where the data tests were the other night so I > thought it might be OK (it is narrower than they were). Where would folk > recommend for tests of this sort? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > -- > SOTA Beams > Quality products for Radio Amateurs > http://www.sotabeams.co.uk > > Tel: 01625-425700 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.27/2111 - Release Date: 05/12/09 18:03:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG042-5db4a0edeb43e6; Sat, 16 May 2009 11:42:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG074-5db4a0edeb43e6; Sat, 16 May 2009 11:41:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5M0I-0002W2-A9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 16:40:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5M0H-0002Vt-V6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 16:40:49 +0100 Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca ([64.59.134.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5M0E-0002tF-6A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 16:40:49 +0100 Received: from pd7ml2no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.162]) by pd5mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 16 May 2009 09:39:40 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=_Dj-zB-qAAAA:8 a=9qtwGcYzzh2kab8lsAsA:9 a=3M5AUVSC6X1a-HSJPDWmS3ivjF4A:4 Received: from unknown (HELO MaynePC) ([24.108.39.108]) by pd7ml2no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with SMTP; 16 May 2009 09:39:40 -0600 Message-ID: <0EC3E035F38648FE858E9FC1A533E0C8@MaynePC> From: To: References: <7.0.1.0.0.20090516191226.01a127b0@xtra.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20090516191226.01a127b0@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:39:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: BC221T Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > I gather that there are still some emergency services using this frequency > in the Pacific region. I think this is one of the excuses many 'authorities' have been using in order to do nothing about amateur interests in 600m. It's hard to drum into their heads that we don't want 500.000 kHz. Steve WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-a534a1dbc8a3c7; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:20:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA023-a534a1dbc8a3c7; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:19:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M9RSd-0000mM-A5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:18:59 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M9RSc-0000mD-O0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:18:58 +0100 Received: from mx12.go2.pl ([193.17.41.142] helo=poczta.o2.pl) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9RSa-000645-5i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:18:58 +0100 Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx12 [127.0.0.1]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF5D104008 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:18:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bxi (unknown [193.189.116.61]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:18:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <009301c9df19$1a61c000$6551e00a@bxi> From: "Marcin" To: References: <4A19A7E4.4030606@btconnect.com> <84D65F58F723418B8DC8672A3B10C875@64683d74b6134b3> <4A1AB588.2070603@btconnect.com> <84EEB64668A34793A28A4B2B3E8DACE6@64683d74b6134b3> <4A1B9B85.3070501@btconnect.com> <20090527165022.288760@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:18:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: Re: reports DI2AM OK0EMW SK6RUD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0090_01C9DF29.DBF109F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C9DF29.DBF109F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello! Now 500kHz SWL on North Poland: SM6BHZ 57/579, audio: http://www.sp2kds.pl/attachments/205_sm6bhz.mp3 SK6RUD on CW 345, strong local QRM DI2AM only QRSS "O" OK0EMW only QRSS "O" Locator: JO94GJ; RX: IC746; antenna: HF long windom 83m -- Vy 73! 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<8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 00:58:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Any T/A all nighter beacons?? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Dave, LF Group, M0BMU is now running in WSPR mode on 502.4kHz "dial frequency", 503.9kHz RF. Any reports very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de08.mx.aol.com (rly-de08.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.144]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE052-4f84a1018293bd; Sun, 17 May 2009 09:59:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE087-4f84a1018293bd; Sun, 17 May 2009 09:59:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5gs5-0005cW-By for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 14:57:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5gs4-0005cN-TC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 14:57:44 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s14.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.25]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5gry-0004y9-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 14:57:44 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W14 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s14.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 17 May 2009 06:57:33 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [117.12.236.120] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 05:57:33 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2009 13:57:33.0141 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D0A0850:01C9D6F7] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b5371266-df21-4fe0-997e-666d9e6f473d_" Subject: LF: JA ops X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_b5371266-df21-4fe0-997e-666d9e6f473d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites - fyi= 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A From: ja3vqw Hiroshi Hi Laurence=20 Thanks for your e-mail. Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last mo= nth. I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO with a= ny station. I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz. So if you find my signal please QSL me. My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W. The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long. 73 =20 Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. Che= ck it out. _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto= rial_QuickAdd1_052009=3D --_b5371266-df21-4fe0-997e-666d9e6f473d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites - fyi= 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A

From: ja3vqw Hiroshi
Hi Laurence

Thanks for your e-mail.

Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) la= st month.

I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got=20= QSO with any station.

I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz.

So if you find my signal please QSL me.

My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W.

The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long.

73

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See how. =3D --_b5371266-df21-4fe0-997e-666d9e6f473d_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA031-a574a190c4e306; Sun, 24 May 2009 04:59:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA027-a574a190c4e306; Sun, 24 May 2009 04:58:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M89X9-0006yh-AL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:58:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M89X8-0006yY-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:58:18 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f170.google.com ([209.85.217.170]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M89X3-0006p0-1d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:58:17 +0100 Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so2415881gxk.4 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 01:58:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MsvdieUh7DEvKVoSMxoHzUVBCJnXeWfeE3vPiSYwiSY=; b=eI1VhTQxXrJtPSghA5xZ7dWIvWaZUD3c/Yxm6hIAtK41SI4AQxj1PyURIfWmkFiYUH V1LCERPZmiMf0Kz90PCqfmYymBOqNyS8MvRMU3ecljNGQxKG5zbW9waKvogWNYm5gmt0 QK2RhINA6c3KEwcCs1as2AAz0xyXMfE6fAbK4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=iETQl5fS5sI9+GOFfIaSylfVtz8HwTRe3s591XC43wW6BDJ3OwwR6u8025z0kCsvKz B1UeUS6ke7RBNCLskHIV/Qd3O5rSvUwnlLQGP3+l3aX3cw1HA4mQUMyIe2bCkffTgFZh lFwutf/gvBLFcBPJhvK03Apo7/R/u4a6FLihk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.73.9 with SMTP id a9mr11499517ybl.60.1243155484534; Sun, 24 May 2009 01:58:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CBA9F282F0E172-BD8-2E43@webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com> References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <8CBA9F282F0E172-BD8-2E43@webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:58:04 +0100 Message-ID: <88d2415e0905240158l205c0700y3413766a82d07827@mail.gmail.com> From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: First Portable Trip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f0ff80e6697046aa4b1ab X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW, HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d271.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001e680f0ff80e6697046aa4b1ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Richard, I must commend your efforts to go portable. However there seems to me to be one major problem. That is GROUND, all antennas except loops (more later) need to work against "Ground" which is not really ground as we know it since at LF the earth is pretty transparent, varies a bit, but mainly RF penetrates many feet. Think about cave radio. So we use counterpoise/radial etc. wires, but to be any good these have to be quarter wave long! ie 125meters !!! not easy when you are portable. At home the mains feed, is probably the best radial available, since it goes to all the other houses far and near. So your problem is not so much to fly a kite or balloon but to find a few hundred yards of viable fencing/old railway etc. But Loops are different, no ground required and mebbe you could lay a horizontal loop out on the ground (its pretty transparent after all ) better still a mountain site not in East Sussex though I guess. Lots of data on LF Loops on the reflector, matching etc. Best of luck and will always listen for you 73 Laurie. 2009/5/23 > Hi Richard. > > I've used a system similar to yours with some success. Mine, now > dismantled, is detailed at > > http://www.g0mrf.com/500kAntenna.htm > > It was a 10m mast with a very small 3m top section. Power in 7.5W PEP. > 100km was no problem 24/7 with good conditions it made it to ON and PA. > With very good conditions it made it to the Scotish Islands at apx 800km but > that was rare. > > The photo shows a variometer in series with a fixed coil in series with > another fixed coil which was connected to ground at the bottom end. Despite > all these turns of wire, the 50 ohm match was only a few turns up from the > ground end. > > Hope that helps. > > David > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Newstead > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:06 > Subject: LF: First Portable Trip > > Not a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed > against 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very > low - within 1 metre of the ground. > > Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping > the feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q > dramatically and the RX and TX performance were very poor. In configurations > where the RX performance was good and the Q high, there was little on no > aerial current on transmit. The only configuration that gave some antenna > current was nearly useless on receive. Connecting a radial to a metal fence > detuned things so much that I go nowhere like that. > > Heard GW0HXO's beacon at reasonable strength and GW3UEP's beacon - just. > Called CQ quite a few times. No takers. > > Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible > "line-timebase" type burble drifting across band. > > Clearly more work required to get a viable system. Tips? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > ------------------------------ > Click here to get the very > best of AOL, including news, sport, gossip, lifestyles updates and email. > --001e680f0ff80e6697046aa4b1ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Richard,
I must commend your efforts to go portable. However there see= ms to me to be one major problem. That is GROUND, all antennas except loops=20= (more later) need to work against "Ground" which is not really gro= und as we know it since at LF the earth is pretty transparent, varies a bit,= but mainly RF penetrates many feet. Think about cave radio. So we use count= erpoise/radial etc. wires, but to be any good these have to be quarter wave=20= long! ie 125meters !!! not easy when you are portable. At home the mains fee= d, is probably the best radial available, since it goes to all the other hou= ses far and near. So your problem is not so much to fly a kite or balloon bu= t to find a few hundred yards of viable fencing/old railway etc.
But Loops are different, no ground required and mebbe you could lay a horizo= ntal loop out on the ground (its pretty transparent after all ) better still= a mountain site not in East Sussex though I guess. Lots of data on LF Loops= on the reflector, matching etc.
Best of luck and will always listen for you
73 Laurie. =A0

2009/5/23 <g0mrf@aol.com>
Hi Richard.

I've used a system similar to yours with some success.=A0 Mine, now dism= antled, is detailed at

http://ww= w.g0mrf.com/500kAntenna.htm

It was a 10m mast with a very small 3m top section. Power in 7.5W PEP.
100km was no problem 24/7 with good conditions it made it to ON and PA.=A0 W= ith very good conditions it made it to=A0the Scotish Islands at apx 800km bu= t that was rare.

The photo shows a variometer in series with a fixed coil in series with anot= her fixed coil which was connected to ground at the bottom end.=A0 Despite a= ll these turns of wire, the 50 ohm match was only a few turns up from the gr= ound end.

Hope that helps.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Newstead <g3cwi@btconnect.com>
To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:06
Subject: LF: First Portable Trip

No= t a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed aga= inst 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very low=20= - within 1 metre of the ground.=A0
=A0
Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping t= he feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q dramatic= ally and the RX and TX performance were very poor. In configurations where t= he RX performance was good and the Q high, there was little on no aerial cur= rent on transmit. The only configuration that gave some antenna current was=20= nearly useless on receive. Connecting a radial to a metal fence detuned thin= gs so much that I go nowhere like that.=A0
=A0
Heard GW0HXO's beacon at reasonable strength and GW3UEP's beacon - j= ust. Called CQ quite a few times. No takers.=A0
=A0
Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible "l= ine-timebase" type burble drifting across band.=A0
=A0
Clearly more work required to get a viable system. Tips?=A0
=A0
73=A0
=A0
Richard=A0
G3CWI=A0
=A0

=
= Click here to get the very best of AOL, including news, sport, gossip, l= ifestyles updates and email.

--001e680f0ff80e6697046aa4b1ab-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (rly-mb11.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-d354a07fb8cc8; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:19:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB111-d354a07fb8cc8; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:18:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3SaM-0004cC-D6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 11:18:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3SaL-0004c3-Qi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 11:18:13 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3SaI-0005i5-Dq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 11:18:13 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8F451C006 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:18:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-199.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.199]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFC3F3863 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:17:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:17:59 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <6CAB0066191C4E76B92C8821061A1CB9@AGB> References: <1B3950C0CC6641F29CD92B0269A04581@JimPC> <6CAB0066191C4E76B92C8821061A1CB9@AGB> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090511101759.CBFC3F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 3 Mode Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Jim, Graham, MFSK4 seems to be good once you have it synchronized, as John (W1TAG) states= . But the threshold to synchronize seems to be rather high. Despite the fact that you signal was audible and=20 the both Throbx2 and psk31 were printing well I=20 couldn't decode anything in MFSK4. MFSK4 is probably a good mode to scope with=20 QSB/QRN for a signal the that peaks strong enough=20 but when the signal is really weak Throbx2 seems the winner. A pity that there is little info about Throb(x) on the web. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T PS: Jim, if you plan another WSPR session please let=20 me know. I will try to join (transmitting). At 01:32 11/05/2009, you wrote: >Thanks for that Jim, > >Seems its close between the mfsk and throb=20 >systems , I found the throb mode worked best last night >may be its down to the noise format , but psk31=20 >appears to of produced the highest error rates at >all locations , Rik reporting the throb system printing quite well > >Tnx- Graham . > > > > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "James Moritz" >Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:27 PM >To: >Subject: LF: Re: 3 Mode Beacon > >> >>Dear Graham, LF Group, >> >>Have been watching your test for an hour or so. At the peaks of the fades, >>all 3 modes decode quite well:- >> >>MSK4: >>CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com >> >>ThrobX 2: >>CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD >>CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD >>QSL G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM G0NBD@HOTMAIL.CO >> >>PSK31: >>e C >> CQ 1Q d0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>qsl nbd@hotmail.aom g0nbd@hotmail.com >> >> >>When the signal levels are down, MSK4 seems most robust, with Throb >>somewhere in the middle:- >> >>t=B98n=B0 ND >>CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com >> >>3-LNBD G0NBD G0NBD >>CQ CQ CQ DE G0NBD G0NBD G0NBD >>QSL G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM >> >>CQ CQ d >>g0nId g0e >>d g0nbd >>iQ CQ CQ de g0p >>p .0=CAwg >>eet >>g tloTail.=B0 >> >>Watching the decodes, I am seeing that PSK31 is vulnerable to static >>crashes - each loud burst of QRN corrupts a few characters, while the othe= r >>modes seem to tolerate this better. This is similar to previous experience= . >>When the QRN is not present, the PSK31 is nearly as good as the other mode= s. >> >>Cheers, Jim Moritz >>73 de M0BMU >> >> > > > >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database:=20 >>270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 07:02:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (rly-mf08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.178]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF024-9764a199b2625d; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:08:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF084-9764a199b2625d; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:08:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8J2s-0000m7-KN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:07:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8J2s-0000ly-6X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:07:42 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s34.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.234]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8J2n-0001VT-Kw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:07:41 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W2 ([64.4.56.102]) by bay0-omc3-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 24 May 2009 12:07:31 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:07:31 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3c01eff9.1a141ba6.4a198f4f.b955c@o2.pl> References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> <42149f1d.65c67e76.4a1982d7.4738e@o2.pl> <3c01eff9.1a141ba6.4a198f4f.b955c@o2.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2009 19:07:31.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[E39ADE80:01C9DCA2] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_14150f2c-71b4-43be-9d43-c2d3ffc7686e_" Subject: RE: LF: SP2KDS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_14150f2c-71b4-43be-9d43-c2d3ffc7686e_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9f02cdce-cc97-4fd0-bb24-ebf76023b936_" --_9f02cdce-cc97-4fd0-bb24-ebf76023b936_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Marcin, dzenkuje bardzo za QSO! Thanks for nice QSO, your signal was nice, as you can see on the pictures. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS From: bxi@go2.pl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:17:51 +0200 Subject: RE: LF: SP2KDS Hello Lubos! We're calling you now!! 73! Marcin SQ2BXI SP2KDS Team Hello Marcin! I have called you, but nothing. Your signal is nice, I just see your CQ "OOO". Lubos, OK2BVG > From: bxi@go2.pl > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:39 +0200 > Subject: LF: SP2KDS > > Dr LF Group! > We have now QRV 137,708kHz QRSS 3. > > 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > SP2KDS Club > Bu�te v kontaktu se sv�mi p��teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde! _________________________________________________________________ What's New v�m to �ekne hned, jak se to stane. Uka� mi jak. http://home.live.com/ --_9f02cdce-cc97-4fd0-bb24-ebf76023b936_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Marcin, dzenkuje bardzo za QSO!
Thanks for nice QSO, your signal was nice, as you can see on the pictures.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: bxi@go2.pl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:17:51 +0200
Subject: RE: LF: SP2KDS

Hello Lubos!
We're calling you now!!
73! Marcin SQ2BXI

SP2KDS Team

Hello Marcin!
I have called you, but nothing. Your signal is nice, I just see your CQ "OOO".

Lubos, OK2BVG

> From: bxi@go2.pl
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:24:39 +0200
> Subject: LF: SP2KDS
>
> Dr LF Group!
> We have now QRV 137,708kHz QRSS 3.
>
> 73! Marcin SQ2BXI
> SP2KDS Club
>

Bu�te v kontaktu se sv�mi p��teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde!

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Mal plise sked 21:00 UTC, QRSS 3. Club antenna: http://www.sp2kds.pl/images/stories/antena%20136khz3.jpg Antenna foto: http://www.sp2kds.pl/galeria-morfeo/view/29.html -- Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > Marcin > Are u testing during the week. I am qrv most evenings on CW and QRS3 only. > My signal is usually strong in Poland daytime and nightime on 137 Khz. Let > me know when u are QRV > DE Mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcin" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:27 AM > Subject: LF: Re: WPF > > > > Hello! > > Is there anyone to sked 136kHz? > > Plise about LF sked to saturday (16 may 2009); in the evening; QRSS or CW; > > 137,710kHz.. > > We have QRV on SP2KDS Club: JO94II ,1W EIRP, longwire antena 30m/110m. > > -- > > Vy 73! > > Marcin SQ2BXI > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 > 11:43:00 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG041-a274a07f39589; Mon, 11 May 2009 05:45:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com 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(CEST) Message-ID: <4A07F352.6020105@online.fr> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:43:46 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <24A4F797878B46638E6CBE90171EB311@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <24A4F797878B46638E6CBE90171EB311@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: capture who.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010305050709000708080103" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 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(rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC081-b364a05e9e63f; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:39:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC082-b364a05e9e63f; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:39:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2tJa-000357-3Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:38:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2tJZ-00034y-Od for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:38:33 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2tJY-0007iQ-KA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 21:38:33 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with 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X-Originating-IP: 217.136.138.84 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: 503.600KHz Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, 559 here 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > LF, > > > > G4WGT testing 503.600KHz qrss05 & 6wpm ID, 1 watt ERP. > > > > Reports welcome. > > > > 73, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG074-9f14a22979d37; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:43:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG013-9f14a22979d37; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:43:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAmFX-00028I-TQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:42:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAmFX-000289-Hv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:42:59 +0100 Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com ([209.85.221.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 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by 10.224.73.210 with SMTP id r18mr4645648qaj.264.1243780969630; Sun, 31 May 2009 07:42:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <91159493E2D24BF3A9E3D90B495E9F1D@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <91159493E2D24BF3A9E3D90B495E9F1D@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:42:49 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905310742i4bb74845p41bc777c3d7ba014@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: xgj 31-05.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; 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Thanks to Jean-Pierre for the grabber! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/5/31 henny van elst : > Hi Warren,Lf, > capture one string XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > xgj 31-05.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (rly-dg12.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.96]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG063-60c4a06ed631e4; Sun, 10 May 2009 11:06:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG123-60c4a06ed631e4; Sun, 10 May 2009 11:06:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Aan-0007tW-C1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:05:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Aan-0007tN-0Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:05:29 +0100 Received: from mcgi56.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3Aak-0000b3-9Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:05:28 +0100 Received: from mcgi56.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi56.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759B311423 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:05:20 +0400 (MSD) Received: from [91.77.90.0] by mcgi56.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Sun, 10 May 2009 19:05:15 +0400 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:05:15 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <876874.1241967915.164396024.68844@mcgi56.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WPF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Anatoly and LF! Congratulations with the past Victory Day to all! http://qrss.nm.ru/9may2009_UA4WPF/136.0W_90_00012.jpg http://qrss.nm.ru/9may2009_UA4WPF/136.0W_90_00020.jpg http://qrss.nm.ru/9may2009_UA4WPF/136.0W_90_00032.jpg * Lubos OK2BVG [Sun, 10 May 2009 07:43:02 +0200]: > > Hello Anatolij, LF! > On the band was a lot of QRM last night, but I saw "W" well. > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > _________________________________________________________________ > What's New v=C3=A1m to =C5=99ekne hned, jak se to stane. Uka=C5=BE mi jak. > http://home.live.com/ > > * "090510_W.JPG" 73! -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG102-a094a131d84ca; Tue, 19 May 2009 16:59:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG043-a094a131d84ca; Tue, 19 May 2009 16:58:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6WNb-0006R7-I9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 21:57:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6WNb-0006Qy-5V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 21:57:43 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6WNY-0004mq-Dt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 21:57:42 +0100 X-Trace: 201794229/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnMFADm6EkpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACCJytWToZRhCPBMgeDewU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,217,1241391600"; d="scan'208,217";a="201794229" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 19 May 2009 21:57:37 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 21:57:38 +0100 Message-ID: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnYxHEIVXgQmgLaTg2y/yhIDv4DXg== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C9D8CC.D362DF10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C9D8CC.D362DF10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi LF, You may have seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at about 506KHz. The original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz. I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel filter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly due to the bandwidth of the filter?? Is there some simple narrow notch filter which I could use to remove the offending signal. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C9D8CC.D362DF10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi LF,=

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You may have seen an image of a= NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at about 506KHz. The original of this image is a= t 518KHz. The receiver for this grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modif= ied for 500KHz.

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I have attempted to notch the s= ignal using a simple series or parallel filter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly due to the bandwidth of the filter??

=

Is there some simple narrow not= ch filter which I could use to remove the offending signal.

=

73,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.=

------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C9D8CC.D362DF10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD064-b9a4a17dfd4d0; Sat, 23 May 2009 07:37:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD094-b9a4a17dfd4d0; Sat, 23 May 2009 07:36:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7pWR-0003Kx-Ms for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:36:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7pWR-0003Ko-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:36:15 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7pWP-0004ip-SZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:36:14 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283427B8043 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:36:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041C5F3862 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:36:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 3F5E55C26; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:36:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 119.84-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (119.84-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.200.84.119]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:36:05 +0200 Message-ID: <20090523133605.1qbynq53yd20ckgw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 13:36:05 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A17AE9F.2070000@btconnect.com> <8AB8247AC0EC491BB2748E799A45AC0B@AGB> <4A17D26B.9060605@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A17D26B.9060605@btconnect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.200.84.119 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: M0FMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Richard, if you let me know when / on what frequency you are transmitting I will try to copy your signal. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Richard Newstead : > Graham wrote: >> Richard, >> >> Your beacon was quite strong the other night into Wallasey, 3 >> miles west of Liverpool , what is you power/ae set up ? >> > Graham > > I am running about 15 watts into a T aerial with 40m top and 6m > vertical. This is at 10m above ground level. I estimate the ERP at a > little less than 100mW. I would be grateful for any field strength > measurements. > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE043-4d44a0c345f226; Thu, 14 May 2009 11:10:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE051-4d44a0c345f226; Thu, 14 May 2009 11:10:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4cZ5-0006a7-Sb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:09:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4cZ5-0006Zy-Cm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:09:43 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4cZ1-0007ew-RG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:09:42 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYEACzRC0pZ8omn/2dsb2JhbACEUMxlhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.137.167]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 16:09:34 +0100 Message-ID: <007b01c9d4a5$fd72a090$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003401c9d201$9fa60e30$6551e00a@bxi> <00dc01c9d328$a5f37c00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <007f01c9d355$af366bb0$6551e00a@bxi> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:03:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 137,710KHz sked Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Marcin I will look for u at 1900 onwards but WX forecast is poor with thunder storms for the weekend. QRN levels could be vy high. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcin" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:02 AM Subject: LF: 137,710KHz sked > Helo Mal > We wored at 137,710kHz on Saturday about 19-23 UTC. > Mal plise sked 21:00 UTC, QRSS 3. > Club antenna: > http://www.sp2kds.pl/images/stories/antena%20136khz3.jpg > Antenna foto: > http://www.sp2kds.pl/galeria-morfeo/view/29.html > -- > Vy 73! > Marcin SQ2BXI > >> Marcin >> Are u testing during the week. I am qrv most evenings on CW and QRS3 >> only. >> My signal is usually strong in Poland daytime and nightime on 137 Khz. >> Let >> me know when u are QRV >> DE Mal/g3kev >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marcin" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:27 AM >> Subject: LF: Re: WPF >> >> >> > Hello! >> > Is there anyone to sked 136kHz? >> > Plise about LF sked to saturday (16 may 2009); in the evening; QRSS or > CW; >> > 137,710kHz.. >> > We have QRV on SP2KDS Club: JO94II ,1W EIRP, longwire antena 30m/110m. >> > -- >> > Vy 73! >> > Marcin SQ2BXI >> > >> > >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: >> 05/08/09 >> 11:43:00 >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 16:14:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA104-8ba4a2027ed338; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:22:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA074-8ba4a2027ed338; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:22:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MA6hg-0005TF-4t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:21:16 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MA6hf-0005T6-MT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:21:15 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.222]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MA6hc-0004KV-Tb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:21:15 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W7 ([64.4.56.107]) by bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 29 May 2009 11:21:01 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:21:00 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2009 18:21:01.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[38434090:01C9E08A] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_30a1e797-778e-4504-88cb-9a5ceb1d7ee1_" Subject: LF: IK5ZPV X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_30a1e797-778e-4504-88cb-9a5ceb1d7ee1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV in QRSS3 mode. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Pou=BE=EDv=E1te Messenger? Pak tak=E9 pou=BE=EDv=E1te Windows Live. Chcete v= =ECd=ECt v=EDc?=20 http://www.microsoft.com/cze/windows/windowslive/=3D --_30a1e797-778e-4504-88cb-9a5ceb1d7ee1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
I just see signal on 137.700kHz. It is IK5ZPV in QRSS3 mode.
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv= =FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu Klikni zde! =3D --_30a1e797-778e-4504-88cb-9a5ceb1d7ee1_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG101-a1f4a08272e12a; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:25:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG071-a1f4a08272e12a; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:25:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3VUP-00055a-Hi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 14:24:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3VUO-00055R-VK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 14:24:16 +0100 Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3VUN-0000T3-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 14:24:16 +0100 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a0826b938c; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:23:05 -0400 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c0f.4d7f95aa (37133) for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA027-5c474a0826b1b9; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:23:01 -0400 Received: from FWM-M15 (fwm-m15.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.79]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA015-5c474a0826b1b9; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:22:57 -0400 References: <24A4F797878B46638E6CBE90171EB311@ns94d01ae4d850><4A07F352.6020105@online.fr> <5F483DE1E07A46888EB2D106A14A3FAD@ns94d01ae4d850> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:22:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <5F483DE1E07A46888EB2D106A14A3FAD@ns94d01ae4d850> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: f4dtl@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 42949 - STANDARD Received: from 90.94.12.62 by FWM-M15.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.79) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 11 May 2009 09:22:57 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBA052BBE3C2A4-B7C-10A8@FWM-M15.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re : LF: capture who.jpg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBA052BBED4C00_B7C_2199_FWM-M15.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CBA052BBED4C00_B7C_2199_FWM-M15.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello Henny,yes its me just for a test. Regards dear F4DTL -----E-mail d'origine----- De : henny van elst A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Envoy=C3=A9 le : Lundi, 11 Mai 2009 14:45 Sujet : Re: LF: capture who.jpg Tu Jean-Pierre,=C2=A0 best 73s=C2=A0 henny pa3cpm.=C2=A0 ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 (F1AFJ)"" =C2=A0 To: =C2=A0 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:43 AM=C2=A0 Subject: Re: LF: capture who.jpg=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hello Henny ,=C2=A0 I think that it is Nicolas ( f4dtl ) in test !=C2=A0 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj=C2=A0 =C2=A0 henny van elst a =C3=A9crit :=C2=A0 > Hi,Lf=C2=A0 > capture who?=C2=A0 > henny pa3cpm=C2=A0 > best 73=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 No virus found in this incoming message.=C2=A0 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=C2=A0 Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 0= 7:02:00=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ Re=C3=A7evez AOL Mail sur votre t=C3=A9l=C3=A9phone. Vos e-mails accessibles= =C3=A0 tout moment! Cr=C3=A9ez un e-mail gratuit aujourd=E2=80=99hui.=20 ----------MB_8CBA052BBED4C00_B7C_2199_FWM-M15.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Hello Henny,yes its me just for a test.

Regards dear
F4DTL

-----E-mail d'origine-----
De : henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>
A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Envoy=C3=A9 le : Lundi, 11 Mai 2009 14:45
Sujet : Re: LF: capture who.jpg

Tu Jean-Pierre,
best 73s
henny pa3cpm.
----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 (F1AFJ)"" &l= t;jpm.f1afj@online.fr> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: LF: capture who.jpg

Hello Henny ,
I think that it is Nicolas ( f4dtl ) in test !
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

henny van elst a =C3=A9crit :
> Hi,Lf
> capture who?
> henny pa3cpm
> best 73
>

----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=
Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 0= 7:02:00

----------MB_8CBA052BBED4C00_B7C_2199_FWM-M15.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG031-5d14a214fae333; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:24:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG064-5d14a214fae333; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:24:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAQPo-0001wW-1L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:24:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAQPn-0001wJ-Fp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:24:07 +0100 Received: from smtp1-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAQPk-0006gQ-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:24:06 +0100 Received: from smtp1-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645A4940036 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:24:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp1-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D8F9400FB for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:23:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A214F8E.3090002@online.fr> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:23:58 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88d2415e0905300341k7778504od0b6f6957ec2cd34@mail.gmail.com> <88d2415e0905300406p54cf1d54o14cbfebabf5f5216@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0905300406p54cf1d54o14cbfebabf5f5216@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: CQ P3CPM now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Not QRSS3 => QRSS10 !!!!!! Hello Henny , Good copy of your Signal in QRSS3 now ! Sorry not qrv at this moment . 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de12.mx.aol.com (rly-de12.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.148]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE083-5204a1337833b7; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:49:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de12.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE127-5204a1337833b7; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:49:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6Y7L-000724-9j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:49:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6Y7K-00071v-SJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:49:02 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.190] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6Y7H-0005J6-1a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:49:02 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3602.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 09C777000083 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 00:48:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.74.236]) by mwinf3602.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 781E87000082 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 00:48:49 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090519224849492.781E87000082@mwinf3602.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <717E88F7C87444BAB9ED1F169783E4A4@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 23:48:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01C9D8DC.5ACDEEE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C9D8DC.5ACDEEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, Try a 10 dB attenuator in the ae feed or bigger one ?=20 G ... From: Gary - G4WGT=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:57 PM To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20 Subject: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Hi LF, =20 You may have seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at about=20= 506KHz. The original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this grabb= er is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz. =20 I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel filte= r but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly due to t= he bandwidth of the filter?? =20 Is there some simple narrow notch filter which I could use to remove the off= ending signal. =20 73, =20 Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.34/2122 - Release Date: 05/19/09 0= 6:21:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C9D8DC.5ACDEEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gary,

Try a 10 dB attenuator in the ae feed= or=20 bigger one ?

G ...

From: Gary - G4WGT

Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:57 PM

To: LF -RSGB LF Group

Subject: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter.

Hi=20 LF,

You may have seen=20 an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at about 506KHz. The origin= al=20 of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this grabber is a Softrock Lite= =20 455KHz module modified for 500KHz.

I have attempted=20 to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel filter but only succee= ded=20 in seriously degrading the whole band possibly due to the bandwidth of the=20 filter??

Is there some=20 simple narrow notch filter which I could use to remove the offending=20 signal.

73,=

Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83QP.

No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C9D8DC.5ACDEEE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG063-5d94a060dcc109; Sat, 09 May 2009 19:12:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG072-5d94a060dcc109; Sat, 09 May 2009 19:12:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2vh7-0003lY-As for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:11:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2vh6-0003lP-VK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:11:00 +0100 Received: from smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.69]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2vh4-0008JR-NJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:11:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 30038 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 23:10:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FlM8CCZgfDgwzbRos4PxVhXejJGksS/NXv1iM6DK/i13HO7tvFrzlMd6jqmEjMcljVM0nr7MWDG5wTTjub0H0mkxqAOIoObsEjxUj/bueEbHsc6hySGKmtlRTf06LBbghOzJByQZA8HsN5IC6HeeLEpOBrKl0RkDoqFKKBPww+s= ; Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (ganymede444@217.39.7.252 with login) by smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 23:10:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qibk.LgVM1lJ4qcC2Ad9yl532G.cE0rW.TKymS5uKy40P7g.2xNc.yrT843GbjXPOWD5qVtWHbpY7LA_P45cGvgX7MErID5p.SmKcjLjs8IM3oNBgk5cK9HBgEFEcBPsbt1SlS.lNrWQKJ01iPVAbnBEbm9rUEFTXqQY5kqSTb_jmfk6_mtmU2uY7jkslyS2FyFgDAn7mKodKUZnD_eFDo7VmlCtFVyA8cCcT0wiBC.BeoIi3fdXXt.0AI5PbH9fi2gGOLCaGq_x6W9QOU5GFBzTS5H8PiVZlHT_tqcJiL3KLqhv X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:09:13 +0100 From: dave To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001 Subject: Fw:Re: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version)
Richard, Andy, LF,

I can hear the G4JNT beacon clearly in South Devon w= ith a 2m tuned loop during the daytime, and that's probably more like 250km.= G3XIZ is also a strong daytime signal, again at over 250km. I also heard G3= GNR very strongly calling G8BKE at 2140 utc on Tuesday 5 May, but I don't kn= ow his QTH.

The best way of getting started is to set up a sked=20= via this reflector and take it from there. You can also look at the G3XZM an= d G4WGT online "grabbers" to see if there is any activity.<= BR>
73, Dave G3WCB at temorary QTH, Dartmouth S Devon.

----- Original message -----
Sent: 2009/05/09 10:09:17
Subject: Re: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable

Dear Richard,

With only about 40 odd NoVs in existence, and not all active, there probably=
are not many within 100km of you! But rather more than 100km is not unusual=20=
during daytime, so don't worry too much.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Newstead"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Portable

> Richard Newstead wrote:
>>
>> Who is actually active on 500kHz within about 100km of me in
>> Macclesfield? Is this reflector the best way to solicit contacts? <= BR> >>
> Oh dear. No replies. Is 500kHz as quiet as 10GHz (where I also play)? <= BR> > Surely there will be someone within daylight range of me?
>
> 73
>
> Richard
> G3CWI
>

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC052-b1b4a09b4a988; Tue, 12 May 2009 13:41:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC047-b1b4a09b4a988; Tue, 12 May 2009 13:40:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3vxO-0004i7-IZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:39:58 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3vxO-0004hy-5z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:39:58 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3vxM-0006Q7-23 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:39:58 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqsEAE9RCUpOlLdA/2dsb2JhbACEUMk1hAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.183.64]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 18:39:49 +0100 Message-ID: <00dc01c9d328$a5f37c00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003401c9d201$9fa60e30$6551e00a@bxi> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:39:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: WPF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Marcin Are u testing during the week. I am qrv most evenings on CW and QRS3 only. My signal is usually strong in Poland daytime and nightime on 137 Khz. Let me know when u are QRV DE Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcin" To: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: LF: Re: WPF > Hello! > Is there anyone to sked 136kHz? > Plise about LF sked to saturday (16 may 2009); in the evening; QRSS or CW; > 137,710kHz.. > We have QRV on SP2KDS Club: JO94II ,1W EIRP, longwire antena 30m/110m. > -- > Vy 73! > Marcin SQ2BXI > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 11:43:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD052-9154a0ad856220; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:25:46 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD075-9154a0ad856220; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:25:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4FO6-0003sB-Pu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:24:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4FO6-0003s2-C8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:24:50 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.144]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4FO3-0002Tr-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:24:49 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so487156qwj.16 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 07:23:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=63/KX6ejQwzobib8iKNwr1lIsyqwzC2mR0q7DzhwSZs=; b=gv0tqNe3BbhhnXABzFISBi9Ze57eEtvwQqsPXk9feaXSvffhjUwbF0C/NiN/vnalM6 DgVcdv12humrSBnG1R/NGKIrv7eRHWrTWN3V9tvLSGaV0ubE6EKoP/iINLTFKS6e+OmG 1k0pEh6k9Z18ROW3T1aDVFQLb14qtI9scvCmw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iiuo8mHwZi2eWxvwuIACPat0Gg6D9EEFPwCbqPFHDvUouDa6zXupLWcSM7dC7Sy/x0 vqNPMXQYL7OsKjlVGwEFG3SNyzxCr+ims4CPLG2vtvuzWQP/h9jg7+c4Tq/RN4AXrpDJ DOzA2ETBihIE9Fu9V2z9qm9Ry7nD1hDko5+Dg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.67.193 with SMTP id s1mr1249620qai.291.1242224624647; Wed, 13 May 2009 07:23:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090513135955.BB4FB31E704@smtps01.kuleuven.be> References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905130629q408f0128yfe5356c77bbe084e@mail.gmail.com> <20090513135955.BB4FB31E704@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:23:44 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905130723h48c7f9a1jcb0a37047d5a594a@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m279.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik, Yes, I believe that would work. However I couldn't find a cost effective 50MHz OCXO, TCXO etc AND my dds developed problems with the optical encoder so I decided to get a used HP 3325A synthesizer which included a built in ovenized oscillator for less money than a 50MHz TCXO which needed to be added to the dds. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Warren, > > I guess this problem can be solved by removing the onboard xtal and > injecting a signal from a stable frequency source. > > 73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T > > > At 15:29 13/05/2009, you wrote: >> >> Graham, Gerhard, >> >> =A0 =A0This is EXACTLY the dds that I used and observed considerable >> temperature drift when operating QRSS 60 on 137 kHz. >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XGJ >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XSH/23 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XEB/2 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Beckmann, Gerhard >> wrote: >> > Hello Graham, >> > >> > >> > >> > the DDS-Oscillator under this link may partial meet your requirements=20= =85 >> > >> > >> > >> > http://www.box73.de/catalog/pdf/FA0407_694-695.pdf?osCsid=3D983aae56f38= 3b >> > >> > >> > >> > 73 de Gerhard / =A0DK6NI >> > >> > >> > >> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham >> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 23:25 >> > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > Betreff: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit >> > , >> > >> > better a part completed kit =A0would be =A0better ...second hand workin= g >> > >> > even better ! >> > >> > >> > >> > Ideal would be a box with a frequency =A0display and a key pad to >> > >> > enter the =A0frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device >> > >> > >> > >> > Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master >> > >> > oscillator =A0for =A0tx >> > >> > >> > >> > Any =A0ideas or =A0links (any for =A0sale ?) >> > >> > >> > >> > Tnx- Graham . > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de09.mx.aol.com (rly-de09.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.145]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE014-5024a09a57335b; Tue, 12 May 2009 12:36:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE097-5024a09a57335b; Tue, 12 May 2009 12:36:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3uwi-0004H5-SS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:35:12 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3uwi-0004Gw-62 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:35:12 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3uwg-0005kO-Ij for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 17:35:12 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3FFDF1C00084 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:35:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.12.252]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id BD9B81C00081 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:35:04 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090512163504779.BD9B81C00081@mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <9FBF89E8DE1A49B7813B9076162C83EE@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <406BFF543DA74618A3CA53F315277917@radiorummet> <20090512071115.2CE9B31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090512071115.2CE9B31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:34:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01C9D327.EEEF1140" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C9D327.EEEF1140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik, Ok on the fade patters, yes noticed that in the early days , 100 hz made a= big change in signal , one of the reasons for using 25 or 85 hz shift o= n rtty=20 If Gus has something like 'soundforge' could alter the spectrum of the mo= dulation to make up for the losses lh/hf ,=20 to flatten out the pa , that may need some feed back or something similar=20= to reduce changes in phase , easer to beep not speak hihi G ..=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:11 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Gus, Dave, Graham, I guess even the Q of the antenna can attenuate the low and/or high tones. In theory with a SSB bandwidth of 2.7kHz and a operating frequency of 505kHz= a Q =3D 180 would cause a 3 dB attenuation at the ends. But from my experience results could even be worse: Although the Q of my ant= enna is only 50 I notice a significant power reduction if I tune the antenna= mid-band (502.5kHz) and QSY to one of the band edges without re-tuning. I a= ssume that the PA is rather "allergic" to a even rather small reactive part=20= of the load. In addition the fading on 500 can indeed be very frequency-selective. During= Graham's 3 mode test I could notice different QSB patterns between the 3 si= gnals (that were only some 100 Hz apart). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 00:40 12/05/2009, you wrote: I agree ! What is the valve of inductor ? =20 Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:33 AM Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Gus/Dave=20 Might be the Q and BW of the rf path causing a little rounding of the au= dio spectrum , need to boost the lf and hf ..or attenuate the mid range ?=20 G .=20 From: Dave G3WCB=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon Gus, Your SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of=20= static crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/comp= ression to boost your "talk power". My RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my u= sual 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high. I have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to yo= u? 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gus Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/= 09 07:02:00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 0= 7:02:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C9D327.EEEF1140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rik,

Ok on the fade patters, yes noticed t= hat in=20 the early days , 100 hz made a big change in signal , one of the= =20 reasons for using 25 or 85 hz shift on rtty

If Gus has something like 'soundforge' = ;=20 could alter the spectrum of the modulation to make up for the lo= sses=20 lh/hf ,

to flatten out the pa , that may need= some=20 feed back or something similar to reduce changes in phase , ease= r to=20 beep not speak hihi

G ..

From: Rik Strobbe

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:11 AM

To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus, Dave, Graham,

I guess even the Q of the antenna c= an=20 attenuate the low and/or high tones.
In theory with a SSB bandwidth of 2.= 7kHz=20 and a operating frequency of 505kHz a Q =3D 180 would cause a 3 dB attenuati= on at=20 the ends.
But from my experience results could even be worse: Although th= e Q=20 of my antenna is only 50 I notice a significant power reduction if I tune th= e=20 antenna mid-band (502.5kHz) and QSY to one of the band edges without re-tuni= ng.=20 I assume that the PA is rather "allergic" to a even rather small reactive pa= rt=20 of the load.
In addition the fading on 500 can indeed be very=20 frequency-selective. During Graham's 3 mode test I could notice different QS= B=20 patterns between the 3 signals (that were only some 100 Hz apart).

73= ,=20 Rik ON7YD - OR7T

At 00:40 12/05/2009, you wrote:

I agre= e ! What=20 is the valve of inductor ?

= Gus

----- Original Message -----

From: Graham

To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:33 AM

Subject: Re: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus/Dave

Might be the Q and BW of the rf path causing a little= =20 rounding of the audio spectrum , need to boost the lf and hf ..or=20 attenuate the mid range ?

G .

From: Dave G3WCB<= /A>=20

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM

To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: RE: SSB-Beacon

Gus,

Your SSB is about readability 4, sign= al=20 strength 5 in QSB, with lots of static crashes. It sounds like you might= =20 need a bit of audio processing/compression to boost your "talk=20 power".

My RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tu= ned=20 pre-amp, and my antenna is my usual 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 met= res=20 high.

I have saved a couple of *.wav files=20= - do you=20 want me to send them to you?

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.= E.=20 England

-----Original Message-----

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [=20 mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gus

Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include....

Reports are wellcome.

73 de Gus SM6BHZ

No virus found in this incoming message.

Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

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esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3GhF-0001mp-0y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:36:35 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id ACAEA7000086 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:36:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 71B6E7000083 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:36:26 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510213626465.71B6E7000083@mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <2647D014C3484E85BEE640AEC4B3BFE6@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus><5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC><008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus><61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB><4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB><1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB><20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be><2149FAD3D3B349DA8DD2D9B692522EEE@AGB> <20090510232311.c7w0ojp43pk4880w@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090510232311.c7w0ojp43pk4880w@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:36:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik, The mfsk signal is a single tone, the other systems are sending 2 tones , peak levels of the systems are all the same .. as far as I can measure , looks like your % copy ties with last night , ? , the instant lock of the throb system looks to be working well ? Each stream is about 35 watts , last night I was running 150 in single mode tnx - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later > > Gary, > > despite that there is no copy in MFSK4 this signal sound much stronger > than the Throbx2 and psk31 signals. > Idem on the G3YXM grabber: MFSK4 look brighter than the other 2. > Looks as if the power is not the same. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > >> Ok Rik, >> >> Well see what prints with this beacon, Im running Fldigi x 3 times >> on the same pc , Gary is running the same for rx and reports all is >> ok with the system ... >> >> tnx- G .. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Rik Strobbe" >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:40 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > >> later >> >>> >>> Hello Graham, >>> >>> thanks for the QSO's last night. >>> Under current conditions (lot of QRN and QSB) ThrobX2 seemes a bit >>> better than >>> PSK31. MFSK4 wouldn't print last night. >>> The night before it was the same until all the sudden I had a perfect >>> print. >>> Maybe tuning / synchronisation is rather critical for MFSK4. >>> The bandwidth of MFSK4 seems about 150Hz, so i will not use it for >>> transmit. >>> PSK31 and ThrobX2 are well below 100Hz. >>> >>> I will try to decode the signals starting 21:00 UTC. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Graham : >>> >>>> Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream >>>> same text , 60 sec repeat .. >>>> >>>> >>>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz = 503.20k cent rf >>>> >>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz = 503,00k cent rf >>>> >>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz = 502.70 k cent rf >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' >>>> lock up time ? >>>> >>>> Graham >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Graham" >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later >>>> >>>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >>>>> >>>>> G .. >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Graham" >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> All >>>>>> >>>>>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>>>>> >>>>>> Tx set >>>>>> >>>>>> Dial 501.000 >>>>>> mode usb >>>>>> >>>>>> FLDIGI software >>>>> >>>>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>>>>> >>>>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>>>>> >>>>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>>>>> >>>>>> Power 40 watts per stream >>>>>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>>>>> >>>>>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>>>>> >>>>>> Reports welcome >>>>>> >>>>>> Graham >>>>>> >>>>>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release >>>>>> Date: 05/09/09 >>>>>> 06:54:00 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>>>> 05/09/09 06:54:00 >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: >>> 05/10/09 07:02:00 >>> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 > 07:02:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de06.mx.aol.com (rly-de06.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.142]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE021-4de4a193078123; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:33:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE061-4de4a193078123; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:33:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Bvt-0007Zl-QN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:32:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8Bvt-0007Zc-72 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:32:01 +0100 Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.8]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Bvq-0006Z0-J8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:32:01 +0100 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a19302633c; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:31:50 -0400 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c3e.4bb2aa31 (48624) for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:31:48 -0400 (EDT) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 07:31:34 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ transmitting now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1243164694" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------1243164694 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hello Marco,very strong here. -63 dBm (75 Ohms) with WG SPM3 and miniwhip =20 PA0RDT, =20 Next transmission Sunday, June 28 at 09:00 and 12:00 UTC.=20 =20 =20 =20 F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP _http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20 =20 =20 Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 24/05/2009 12:53:46 Paris, Madrid (heure d'=E9t=E9)= , =20 marco.scholz@citi.com a =E9crit : Hello, SAQ is Q5 readable in JN49 with just a Miniwhip antenna directly connected=20 to the soundcard. Software is SAQ VLF receiver by SM6LKM. Wish you all a nice sunday vy73 Marco, DD7PC -------------------------------1243164694 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Marco,very strong here. -63 dBm (75 Ohms) with WG SPM3 and miniwh= ip=20 PA0RDT,

Next transmission Sund= ay, June 28 at 09:00 and 12:00 UTC.

F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP
http://lfi= stes.erst.azerttyu.net/

Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 24/05/2009 12:53:46 Paris, Madrid (heure d'= =E9t=E9),=20 marco.scholz@citi.com a =E9crit :

Hello,
SA= Q=20 is Q5 readable in JN49 with just a Miniwhip antenna directly connected to=20= the=20 soundcard. Software is SAQ VLF receiver by SM6LKM.

Wish you all a n= ice=20 sunday
vy73
Marco, DD7PC

-------------------------------1243164694-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (rly-mg09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.115]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG023-a324a1b9bd4227; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:36:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG094-a324a1b9bd4227; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:35:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8rBK-0005nl-0c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:34:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8rBJ-0005nc-IV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:34:41 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr06.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.184]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8rBA-0003px-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:34:40 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-69-246.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.69.246]) by c2beaomr06.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id BOB14195; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:34:24 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A1B9B85.3070501@btconnect.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:34:29 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A19A7E4.4030606@btconnect.com> <84D65F58F723418B8DC8672A3B10C875@64683d74b6134b3> <4A1AB588.2070603@btconnect.com> <84EEB64668A34793A28A4B2B3E8DACE6@64683d74b6134b3> In-Reply-To: <84EEB64668A34793A28A4B2B3E8DACE6@64683d74b6134b3> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr06.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.4A1B9B83.00CA,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Monday activity 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear MFers I made a capacity-hat portable vertical yesterday. I would have gone out to test it except the band was covered in static crashes. It occurred to me that they might not be that far away so instead of 500kHz I threw the 10GHz gear in the car and drove out to a local hill where I used the top of a thunderstorm to work deep into Germany (nearly 700km). The two bands seem to compliment each other quite well in that respect. My 500kHz vertical has a 10m vertical section and four 5m long top-loading wires. I hope to test it as soon as the weather improves. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF033-58b4a0b00bb30; Wed, 13 May 2009 13:18:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF114-58b4a0b00bb30; Wed, 13 May 2009 13:17:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4I51-00058R-KS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:17:19 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4I51-00058I-61 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:17:19 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f180.google.com ([209.85.219.180]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4I4z-0006W4-5N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:17:19 +0100 Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so1086885ewy.4 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:17:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=prKWapqTe/kEAvdUZ1VabpjzCi9U0r4QNJrNhbbTlcE=; b=BKZucmlaMYisCUFq7FmEWlBVfEg3DVTlGGr/+8qOrGPiCrnqOOCjBpcf2g0oEvC2HA M7/5zAvdfdhyy/uwiKZqBpWvo8+3WXSPZcvmpZR/t2tE9cvyOR15FOCuwpBDo0vQls9c pQFlHGZlb5dU8hJkFFNIG6vwCR93CMXzApRBE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=C9D4WtADineui1KBa4zAIS/m68dbXeVVqrvUYe1RyRce6hFBz6Nt+K+NdS3VicPmr/ n2ZJQmiE3CpTizFlPPjb1/eUgTqWprfPLsmsF2KO3QOxxuaPzhSRwZAZe49c3rRZesNn aunnK2te1Oc553yRdR9c5FX8irxmUNTPpCe7Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.11.212 with SMTP id 62mr497103wex.186.1242235031438; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:17:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8bf118410905131009k77c653ffmd93393f3e4429b30@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A0AF3E8.6050808@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905131009k77c653ffmd93393f3e4429b30@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:17:11 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410905131017w748b79d3n74c63782a8ada861@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Beacon 502.7kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364d23ddc6c7e10469ce6145 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m253.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016364d23ddc6c7e10469ce6145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit GW3UEP has you at 529 currently. South West Wales Dave. 2009/5/13 Dave Pick > About 559 by ear here at 1700utc. We'll see how it progresses after dark > against the static! > > Dave. > > 2009/5/13 Richard Newstead > > Dear all >> >> I have a beacon running on 502.7kHz on standard CW. I would welcome >> reports as the evening progresses. I will be using it to try to engage some >> SOTA people in listening on the band so that I can do some experiments at a >> later date. If it causes anyone a problem please send me a private email. >> >> 73 >> >> Richard >> G3CWI >> >> >> > > > -- > G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --0016364d23ddc6c7e10469ce6145 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GW3UEP has you at 529 currently.
South West Wales

Dave.

2009/5/13 Dave Pick <daveyxm@googlemail.com>
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About 559 by ear here at 1700utc. We'll see how it progresses after dark= against the static!

Dave.

2009/5/1= 3 Richard Newstead <g3cwi@btconnect.com>

Dear all

I have a beacon running on 502.7kHz on standard CW. I would welcome reports=20= as the evening progresses. I will be using it to try to engage some SOTA peo= ple in listening on the band so that I can do some experiments at a later da= te. If it causes anyone a problem please send me a private email.

73

Richard
G3CWI

--
G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

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G3YXM IO92BK Birm= ingham UK
--0016364d23ddc6c7e10469ce6145-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF051-5894a04c337204; Fri, 08 May 2009 19:41:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF112-5894a04c337204; Fri, 08 May 2009 19:41:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2ZgL-0008Oy-4D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 00:40:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2ZgK-0008Op-K4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 00:40:44 +0100 Received: from imr-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2ZgI-0001zc-La for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 00:40:44 +0100 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-d03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a04c294202; Fri, 08 May 2009 19:39:00 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c51.4cef75f5 (34909) for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA026-5bc04a04c2781de; Fri, 08 May 2009 19:38:36 -0400 Received: from webmail-mf14 (webmail-mf14.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.227]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA037-5bc04a04c2781de; Fri, 08 May 2009 19:38:32 -0400 References: <88d2415e0905080655s4000e8fdyc08621bbb8686b45@mail.gmail.com> <6EFF06E44CF940E0B67F8D333AC8F87A@lindavideo> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 19:38:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: <6EFF06E44CF940E0B67F8D333AC8F87A@lindavideo> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g0mrf@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42949-STANDARD Received: from 87.80.206.159 by webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.227) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 08 May 2009 19:38:32 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB9E4D3B5633DE-EF8-DF0@webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Activity Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB9E4D3B621FAF_EF8_1C4E_webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_30_40,HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CB9E4D3B621FAF_EF8_1C4E_webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Ken / All I'm looking to operate at 10W ERP from a portable site in west sussex over the sunday / sunday night / early monday morning 24th / 25th May from a site on the top of a hill 170m ASL. I need to notify Ofcom but that should be routine.?? Hope to work you and as many members of the reflector as possible that weekend. Fingers crossed for good conditions. Antenna 1/4 wave horizontal above poor conducting ground with radials running away from antenna. I would be interested to know if anyone has a calibrated field strength system operating at the time and any DX ststions who may be intersted in listening / a QSO.?? - CW / QRSS only with my class D TX. Thanks David???? QTH??? 50:59.56 N?? 00:22.28 (not sure if thats west or east of Greenwich) Dear all. I think Laurie has come up with a very good idea,also possibly a weekend slot(s). If I knew there was a good chance of a QSO then I would come on more often, it would need to be no fancy transmission modes just good old fashioned cw. ? 73, Ken, M0KHW? ----- Original Message ----- From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:55 PM Subject: LF: Activity Dear All, I am concerned at the lack of activity on 500kHz. I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice hear a signal now and again.! Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to 18:30 call on 502.50,? QSY up/down. If you don't like this, any other ideas? 73 Laurie G3AQC -----Original Message----- From: Ken To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:39 Subject: LF: Re: Activity Dear all. I think Laurie has come up with a very good idea,also possibly a weekend slot(s). If I knew there was a good chance of a QSO then I would come on more often, it would need to be no fancy transmission modes just good old fashioned cw. ? 73, Ken, M0KHW? ----- Original Message ----- From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:55 PM Subject: LF: Activity Dear All, I am concerned at the lack of activity on 500kHz. I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice hear a signal now and again.! Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to 18:30 call on 502.50,? QSY up/down. If you don't like this, any other ideas? 73 Laurie G3AQC ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ----------MB_8CB9E4D3B621FAF_EF8_1C4E_webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Ken / All

I'm looking to operate at 10W ERP from a portable site in west sussex over the sunday / sunday night / early monday morning 24th / 25th May from a site on the top of a hill 170m ASL.

I need to notify Ofcom but that should be routine.   Hope to work you and as many members of the reflector as possible that weekend.

Fingers crossed for good conditions. Antenna 1/4 wave horizontal above poor conducting ground with radials running away from antenna.

I would be interested to know if anyone has a calibrated field strength system operating at the time and any DX ststions who may be intersted in listening / a QSO.   - CW / QRSS only with my class D TX.

Thanks

David     QTH    50:59.56 N   00:22.28 (not sure if thats west or east of Greenwich)

Dear all.

I think Laurie has come up with a very good idea,also possibly a weekend slot(s). If I knew there was a good chance of a QSO then I would come on more often, it would need to be no fancy transmission modes just good old fashioned cw.

73, Ken, M0KHW

----- Original Message -----

From: lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb

Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:55 PM

Subject: LF: Activity

Dear All,
I am concerned at the lack of activity on 500kHz.
I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice
hear a signal now and again.!
Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to 18:30
call on 502.50, QSY up/down. If you don't like this, any
other ideas?
73 Laurie G3AQC

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:39
Subject: LF: Re: Activity

Dear all.

I think Laurie has come up with a very good idea,also possibly a weekend slot(s). If I knew there was a good chance of a QSO then I would come on more often, it would need to be no fancy transmission modes just good old fashioned cw.

73, Ken, M0KHW

----- Original Message -----

From: lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb

Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:55 PM

Subject: LF: Activity

Dear All,
I am concerned at the lack of activity on 500kHz.
I am not a great "chin wagger" but it would be nice
hear a signal now and again.!
Could we have an activity period ? say 18:00 to 18:30
call on 502.50, QSY up/down. If you don't like this, any
other ideas?
73 Laurie G3AQC

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----------MB_8CB9E4D3B621FAF_EF8_1C4E_webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (rly-ma03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.47]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA074-89d4a0b3b0725c; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:26:51 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA037-89d4a0b3b0725c; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:26:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4Lxq-0007CE-Hy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:26:10 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4Lxq-0007C5-5i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:26:10 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4Lxn-00008Q-Sm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:26:10 +0100 thread-index: AcnUEWoSo3bemmHVQM61YgPyLViMZQ== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:26:00 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2><010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com><833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> <20090513225952.e2nk4cqpm9kwokc4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> <51B7F2FA87A84383BB1A2166E4DF2A02@2a2d7ed321c6425> In-Reply-To: <51B7F2FA87A84383BB1A2166E4DF2A02@2a2d7ed321c6425> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:25:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Gerhard, thank's report! 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:16 PM Subject: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB Hello Gus, Also solid copy (56) in JN59LN Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI ====================== -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2009 23:05 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB Rik, thank's report. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB > Gus, > > solid 57 signal here tonight > > 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF083-52e4a0db0ae3ae; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:13:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF021-52e4a0db0ae3ae; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:13:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M51tL-00086g-JG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:12:19 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M51tL-00086X-5W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:12:19 +0100 Received: from mailout07.t-online.de ([194.25.134.83]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M51tJ-000423-5X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:12:19 +0100 Received: from fwd09.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1M51sH-0000q6-02; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:11:13 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (GDW6sYZCrh0p92e3qCcXG55J+TTyEP1kWTCqf2QdB9MZv3NjJwIn04oN+Wi5O77w8r@[93.211.80.87]) by fwd09.t-online.de with esmtp id 1M51sD-1zPetc0; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:11:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.07.0001 Date: 15 May 2009 18:11 GMT Message-ID: <1M51sD-1zPetc0@fwd09.t-online.de> X-ID: GDW6sYZCrh0p92e3qCcXG55J+TTyEP1kWTCqf2QdB9MZv3NjJwIn04oN+Wi5O77w8r X-TOI-MSGID: 4beafe79-3460-4572-b410-523e0f8ff9bb X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Aerial current Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear all, according to my experience radio transmitters with good efficiency and meeting all relevant data are usually designed for a load (!) of 50 ohms only, nothing else. But this does not mean that the source impedance of the transmitter output feeding the cable will also be 50 ohms! Remember that the supply voltage of the amplifier remains constant whilst the current within the output device may vary. The condition, that a power amplifier must also have a defined output source impedance I have found in the field of broadband cable driver amplifiers only, in that case mostly 75 ohms. But such a defined output source impedance can only be achieved in class A amplifiers and by using a lot of feedback in or around the output amplifier, a solution that degrades efficiency (not acceptable for RF power amplifiers). These amplifiers also use feedback at their input to achieve an imput impedance of 75 ohms. One typical solution for 75 ohms input and out impedance in this field has been a three stage grounded emitter amplifier, with resistive feedback from last collector to the first base. As such feedback will result in an input and output impedance of about zero ohms, 75 ohms series resistances wee added at the input and output to get 75 ohms input and output impedance! Losses did not count in this case. To get the feedback stable, the frequency limits of the transistors involved had to be much higher than the highest operating frequency of the system, of course. Similar solutions are found in the application of modern HF operational amplifiers. I hope this helps to clear the situation. Therefore I feel that impedance measurements into the output of a typical radio transmitter would be questionable. I rely on good SWR in the feed cable and maximum RF-voltage across the cable impedance, and this should also correspond to maximum output and aerial current at LF. HW? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Richard Newstead" schrieb: > Rik Strobbe wrote: > > Hello Richard, > > > > is you antenna matched to 50 Ohm ? > > Not sure but the optimum power transfer suggests that it is matched to > the output impedance of the transmitter. > > > If you just bring it to resonance (loading coild adjustment) the > > antenna impedance can be anything between 10 and 100 Ohm. > > And some 10m's length of coax can cause some odd impedance > > transformations, even on 500kHz. > > > > > There is no coax involved (well only 30cm) here so it is not that! > > Strange! > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (rly-mc10.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.94]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC023-d9d4a09e19c284; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:53:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC105-d9d4a09e19c284; Tue, 12 May 2009 16:52:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3yxP-0006Bp-L6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:52:11 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3yxP-0006Bg-62 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:52:11 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3yxN-0007j1-F4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 21:52:11 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUFAJt9CUpOltnb/2dsb2JhbACCJyyBfYc+BsIwhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.217.219]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 21:52:02 +0100 Message-ID: <013201c9d343$8027a080$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <011301c9d33c$83feeb70$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <012501c9d342$02a3eed0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:52:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012F_01C9D34B.E1C398F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C9D34B.E1C398F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Was qrs3 now key down long carrier.=20 g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: LF: Re: LF OE5ODL solid signal now at 2140 utc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:02 PM Subject: LF: LF TX fired up and ready on 137.7 but so far nil observed.=20 G3KEV ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Was qrs3 now key down long carrier. =

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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:41 PM=

Subject: LF: Re: LF

OE5ODL solid signal now at 2140 utc

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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:02=20 PM

Subject: LF: LF

TX fired up and ready on 137.7 but so f= ar nil=20 observed.

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------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C9D34B.E1C398F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de11.mx.aol.com (rly-de11.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.147]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE082-5174a1463661d2; Wed, 20 May 2009 16:09:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE118-5174a1463661d2; Wed, 20 May 2009 16:09:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6s56-0005Iw-IL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 21:08:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6s56-0005In-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 21:08:04 +0100 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.191]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6s52-0003Wq-Ef for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 21:08:03 +0100 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so325120fkk.4 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:07:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QkfShf8ACkURJle38odFCUJVqhmhHyL+lCKYX5euyG4=; b=yAxWwNP8HQIM9vonKoHvc2qYFvW1PIC8kzxxjcIyBNYMjQTUhMKcnBa8Wk2ZPvzAq6 k6FRuZEVJox1m8vPf3cI2OUl3kYiPkt3KxQtTHbH/wS+966xveetyFVbx9iEeYddTj1k uQETGtYxOI/mcmdnFMiTcNUUidi2NNA64z0ok= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=sIhWjc8pEheU+MNERVtWlLCeyYqFx+29t40sBrjEhWjEeZw8kqzDvCgbb+f0qvlZ5w 8OF9aw5m8KLbqwau9cWBq4Z5vYYiZgZhOvgS2YuqAkNNtcQAlJ30YIPVxAm3H5qEjS8I h93PrvGvYXg05e+ryujN59QLnKKBDkl+pIkY8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.55.15 with SMTP id s15mr1603665bkg.53.1242850077398; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:07:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <117598D055BB4752B434D00FED548617@lindavideo> References: <003001c9d8c4$719e7710$6401a8c0@asus> <20090519232905.l4n0cl7o5vk0oogs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <117598D055BB4752B434D00FED548617@lindavideo> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:07:57 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5990b5f5843046a5d9553 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d252.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636c5990b5f5843046a5d9553 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Answers to all comments. It was modelled with lossless components. I didn't have to time to do any mofre than a basic cesign.. But its a relativlely benign filter so inductors with Qu of 40 pluss should be OK. Ansoft Designer is downloadable from Ansoft http://www.ansoft.com/ansoftdesignersv/ You need to register, but teh student version is free. Its BIG ! Andy G4JNT wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom 2009/5/20 Ken > Hi Andy. > Where can I obtain a copy of Ansoft Designer from, I usually use Addie for > filters, a second option would be worth having. > > 73 > Ken > > M0KHW > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Andy Talbot > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:07 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filter. > > Ansoft Designer came up with this solution. > > http://www.g4jnt.com/518kHz_BandStop.gif > > The component values aren't particulalrly nice, and there is almost > certainly a nicer design with transformers to be found, but... > > Andy G4JNT > > > 2009/5/19 Rik Strobbe > >> Gary, >> >> a simple series L-C notch works best when >> - Q is high = you need a good coil (capacitor Q shouldn't be the problem) >> - the output "sees" a high impedance (FET buffer) >> - the source impedance is high compared to the loss resistance of the coil >> (eventualy put a R of a few 100 Ohm in serie with the antenna) >> But it will be a hard job to get a decent attenuation at 518 while passing >> 501-506 without too much losses. >> >> An alternative would be a xtal filter as a passband filter for 501-506. >> If you can find a number of 500kHz xtals and "polish" them up some kHz. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >> Hi LF, >>> >>> >>> >>> You may have seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at >>> about >>> 506KHz. The original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this >>> grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz. >>> >>> >>> >>> I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel >>> filter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly >>> due >>> to the bandwidth of the filter?? >>> >>> >>> >>> Is there some simple narrow notch filter which I could use to remove the >>> offending signal. >>> >>> >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > --001636c5990b5f5843046a5d9553 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Answers to all comments.

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It was modelled with lossless components.=A0 I didn't have to time=20= to do any mofre than a basic cesign..=A0=A0 But its a relativlely benign fil= ter so inductors with Qu of 40 pluss should be OK.

=A0

Ansoft Designer is downloadable from Ansoft=A0 http://www.ansoft.com/ansoftdesignersv/=A0 Y= ou need to register, but teh student version is free.=A0=A0=A0

=A0

Its BIG !

=A0

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Andy =A0G4JNT
wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom

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2009/5/20 Ken <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>=

Hi Andy.

Where can I obtain a copy of Ansoft Des= igner from, I usually use Addie for filters, a second option would be worth=20= having.

=A0

73

Ken

=A0

M0KHW=A0

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy Talbot

To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:07 PM<= /div>
Subject: Re: LF: 518khz - Notch Filte= r.

Ansoft Designer came up with this solution.=A0

=A0

= http://www.g4jnt.com/518kHz_BandStop.gif

=A0

The component values=A0aren't=A0particulalrly nice, and there is al= most certainly a nicer design with transformers to be found, but...

Andy =A0G4JNT

2009/5/19 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.= kuleuven.be>

Gary,

a simple series L-C n= otch works best when
- Q is high =3D you need a good coil (capacitor Q sh= ouldn't be the problem)
- the output "sees" a high impedance (FET buffer)
- the source=20= impedance is high compared to the loss resistance of the coil (eventualy put= a R of a few 100 Ohm in serie with the antenna)
But it will be a hard jo= b to get a decent attenuation at 518 while passing 501-506 without too much=20= losses.

An alternative would be a xtal filter as a passband filter for 501-506.<= br>If you can find a number of 500kHz xtals and "polish" them up s= ome kHz.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T=20

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

Hi LF,

You may have= seen an image of a NAVTEX signal on my 500KHz grabber at about
506KHz. T= he original of this image is at 518KHz. The receiver for this
grabber is a Softrock Lite 455KHz module modified for 500KHz.

I have attempted to notch the signal using a simple series or parallel
f= ilter but only succeeded in seriously degrading the whole band possibly due<= br> to the bandwidth of the filter??

Is there some simple narrow=20= notch filter which I could use to remove the
offending signal.

73,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

--001636c5990b5f5843046a5d9553-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG063-5aa4a228fc31a4; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:10:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG025-5aa4a228fc31a4; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:10:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAljS-0001l2-9k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:09:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAljR-0001kt-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:09:49 +0100 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAljR-0002XX-5g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:09:49 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KKI00G6SI07UQ@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:09:43 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:09:41 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <9D180A8F7EE04EB8AA99F30647978E9E@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <4A227146.9030006@online.fr> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: qso PA0CPM => F1AFJ on 2200m Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 tu Jean-Pierre, henny pa3cpm 73s ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ""Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)"" To: Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: LF: qso PA0CPM =3D> F1AFJ on 2200m > Hello Henny , > > Thank you for the good qso in 137 kHz . > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2144 - Release Date: 05/30/09=20 17:53:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC092-b484a071fc937a; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:41:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC104-b484a071fc937a; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:41:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Dwr-0000Ni-TR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:40:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3Dwr-0000NZ-DP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:40:29 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.192] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3Dwp-0000yo-8r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:40:29 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7E4E07000086 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:40:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.64]) by mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 3C8F97000082 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:40:21 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090510184021248.3C8F97000082@mwinf3627.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus> <5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC> <008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus> <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> In-Reply-To: <61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:40:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 All, Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM To: Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later > > All > > Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 > > Tx set > > Dial 501.000 > mode usb > > FLDIGI software PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz > > MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz > > ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz > > Power 40 watts per stream > Running loop at 60 seconds repeat > > No rx due to drive below vox/alc level > > Reports welcome > > Graham > > G0NBD / IO83LK > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 > 06:54:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD074-91649ff521b335; 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Mon, 4 May 2009 16:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Black (g229165054.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.165.54]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA086-88a549ff5178148; Mon, 04 May 2009 16:35:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <1773268710.20090503233932@dx.ru> In-Reply-To: <1773268710.20090503233932@dx.ru> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:35:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: RU beacons May 1-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Ed, as far as I could see, up to now CFH from Halifax was on air only during one night, preceding May 1st. Which is good because sitting in the middle of the LF band with a fairly wide modulation spectrum, it must be quite annoying to American receiver operators. Congratulations again on your excellent signal last weekend! Average nighttime fieldstrength here was about 3 uV/m, dropping to 0.3 uV/m fairly suddenly after sunrise around 2:25z on Sunday. 73 de Markus, DF6NM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed RU6LA" To: Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: LF: Re: RU beacons May 1-3 ... Marcus DF6NM has informed abt CHF - as often it works now? ... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db09.mx.aol.com (rly-db09.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.84]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB084-ae34a034925252; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:48:46 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB091-ae34a034925252; Thu, 07 May 2009 16:48:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2AVV-0002uV-FJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:47:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2AVV-0002uM-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:47:53 +0100 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2AVS-0002Wu-R0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:47:52 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.16] (helo=6.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #91) id 1M2AVR-0005cj-Kj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:47:49 +0200 Received: from w115d.w.pppool.de ([89.58.17.93]:1163 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 6.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M2AVR-0006LF-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:47:49 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> <20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506225829.1vrsvh 9ozjwcwog8@webmail 4.kuleuven.be> <351E24E134154160986CF3C5CC07321A@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090507152132.C17FE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 22:47:50 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090507152132.C17FE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnPKCJtUyMS+hjrQ0K+hOJCRLq/lQALG8Sw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: AW: FM-Hell Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, nice visible signal on waterfall at 20:40;=20 Signal was also clear audible!!!!! Sri, I don't have installed a FM-Hell decoder; Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI (JN59LN) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 17:22 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: FM-Hell Dear all, I will do some FM-Hell transmissions tonight on 503.5kHz from 20:30=20 UTC til 21:20 UTC starting every 10 minutes. Between transmissions I will "listen" on the same frequency. Report are welcome. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG102-9f74a11971627d; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:13:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG021-9f74a11971627d; Mon, 18 May 2009 13:12:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M66NZ-0000sB-Be for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 18:11:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M66NY-0000s2-Vt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 18:11:56 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M66NW-0003yH-JG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 18:11:56 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlsFAAszEUpOltil/2dsb2JhbACCIy+CAIc9BsUuhAEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.216.165]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 18:10:49 +0100 Message-ID: <003c01c9d7db$9769c1f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:10:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: JA and LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C9D7E3.F8CECBE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C9D7E3.F8CECBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do not think English hams could teach the Japanese much about electronics.= LF and MF operations have been around since radio began. So what is new. Ju= st because the Japanese have been allocated 136 khz does not mean they know=20= nothing about it. They have been big players on MF for years on 160 metres,=20= LF techniques are very similar. I expect to see a 136 RICE BOX before too lo= ng.=20 I have worked over 100 JA stns on 160 metres in recent years, mostly big sig= nals, they know their stuff !!!!! G3KEV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C9D7E3.F8CECBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do not think English hams could teach the= =20 Japanese much about electronics. LF and MF operations have been around since= =20 radio began. So what is new. Just because the Japanese have been allocated 1= 36=20 khz does not mean they know nothing about it. They have been big players on=20= MF=20 for years on 160 metres, LF techniques are very similar. I expect=20= to=20 see a 136 RICE BOX before too long.

I have worked over 100 JA stns on 160 metre= s in=20 recent years, mostly big signals, they know their stuff !!!!!
G3KEV

------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C9D7E3.F8CECBE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (rly-mc08.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.92]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC022-d8c4a02f17a2a1; Thu, 07 May 2009 10:34:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC084-d8c4a02f17a2a1; Thu, 07 May 2009 10:34:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M24fu-0001l4-Ji for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:34:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M24fu-0001kv-4z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:34:14 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f213.google.com ([209.85.217.213]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M24fr-0004Nl-Jc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:34:14 +0100 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so1740750gxk.4 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 07:34:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tzQaiVvCBd7Lf9PjyA/GulSqdNrCS/KCSZly+0D8B9o=; b=fnYox3WZNZs/ukr9E0gzNhD+QuwcxT1xv6bsMx4+ACTj2JYjXdHiiEcF3r9K1VnOML PTMXppwggMqttI5BJfO79xrra3v5Gm+12NINBxS57pUQftKTuqJkheuA75EAftAAiNwL XTBRePu2N6YjYIfhyJ9GO7fNw+rU4I0YSn1E4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NyWY/J0GiwySrQiPB4VA5QjQtDi1TeewHOH5Po5+IEzlqwfk3VhyCnNpWv0VNDVMyX iqxskbZzm7fHB4Z5dLUDP8guZ3BfZqBPfns+jh4kCrw7CB+mMytIO+N4zThIzEcHqj2r rddQzICDl6UD5sE+XvuH2AC6DPB1SK4xYzw6c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.70.15 with SMTP id s15mr2147671aga.42.1241706844856; Thu, 07 May 2009 07:34:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A02C555.3020704@ukonline.co.uk> References: <008501c9ce63$c07ecf30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905061229w6c853f60w291cca01c39eec09@mail.gmail.com> <4A02C555.3020704@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:34:04 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905070734p27486927p7661a4d17a16d49e@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Decca 5501Jeep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d292.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Peter, Yes the Decca's are great transmitters with a bullet-proof design. I have run mine key down continuously at 1.4kW dc input for 2.5 hours for ERP measurements with no ill effects. I bought spare MOSFETs from Ebay but thankfully haven't needed them. My Decca did have an open diode in the guard circuit when I got it, most likely the result of a lightning strike, but other than that no worries. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Peter Dodd wrote: > Hi Warren > I fully agree with you. The Decca 5501's were used in unattended stations > and transmitting 24/7 under a very heavy duty cycle. There were several > transmitters all in the same rack transmitting at the same time on differe= nt > frequencies feeding into the same antenna through an ingenious automatic > multi-tuning system - a remarkable bit of radio engineering. > I blew the FETs in one of the amplifier units because my 5501 had been > modified =A0to be dual band 73 and 136kHz and one day when I QSYed I forgo= t to > change all the necessary coil taps. > Check out G4FTCs web site for some interesting pictures of the Decca > stations. > > Regards > > Peter, G3LDO > >> Mal, >> >> =A0 =A0You couldn't be more wrong!!! >> I have been running a Decca in QRSS 60 for several years now at full >> power + often overnight and occasionally for days at time with ZERO >> transmitter failures. The Decca runs cool at 1.4 - 1.5 kW DC input. >> Perhaps you are not allowing for sufficient air circulation through >> the heat sinks. My Decca is in a rack with plenty of clearance above >> and below for the air to circulate. I don't think that it's a good >> idea to run the Decca sitting on a table as I've seen done in some >> shack pictures. >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB022-af04a1539b575; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:23:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB106-af04a1539b575; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:23:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M76MX-00077i-1b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:23:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M76MW-00077Z-JX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:23:00 +0100 Received: from mta11.charter.net ([216.33.127.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M76MT-0007Ms-5c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:22:59 +0100 Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090521112231.ZDAS22327.mta11.charter.net@imp11> for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:22:31 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.189.74.84]) by imp11 with charter.net id uBNX1b0021p78xe05BNXgw; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:22:31 -0400 Message-ID: <4A153977.6090206@charter.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:22:31 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A151431.8020909@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4A151431.8020909@gmx.de> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XES and XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hartmut, Thanks for the report. Good to have you watching! John, W1TAG Hartmut Wolff wrote: > A capture can be seen here: > > http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc04.mx.aol.com (rly-mc04.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.88]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC023-d6e4a01f25b57; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:26:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC046-d6e4a01f25b57; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:26:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1ng2-0007hu-3C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:25:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1ng1-0007hl-GR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:25:13 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1nfy-00062f-Lg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:25:12 +0100 X-Trace: 194261786/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgEAIOOAUpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKIcVhBPDBAeCPYE9BQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,304,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="194261786" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 06 May 2009 21:25:05 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:25:08 +0100 Message-ID: <004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnOhnAxJAMdCWu9S76h3b/zP8C82wAAgN2Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Rik & Gerhard, When Rik makes his CQ call I will attempt to make a 2 way contact using the same settings. Any reports will be welcome. 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 06 May 2009 21:04 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Hello Gerhard, tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 minutes. Same mode as yesterday. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > Hello Rik, > > Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. > Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY test > transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward to > verify a new mode. > > Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC > Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) > > 73, Rik > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> >> >> Hello Rik, >> >> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one > more >> chance for decoding.... >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>> and listen inbetween. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>> >>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>> >>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>> >>>>> OK Rik, >>>>> >>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to > monitor, >>> I >>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>> >>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>> The way I did it: >>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR >>> BPF >>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>> >>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>> >>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>> >>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>> needs >>>>> to >>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us > using >>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the > colors >>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>>> locator >>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG044-9f14a00ad04236; 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Tue, 5 May 2009 23:17:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 325CD5D06; Tue, 5 May 2009 23:17:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.65.71.240]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 23:17:12 +0200 Message-ID: <20090505231712.ij3u1i7d7mlcg0os@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 23:17:12 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <011401c9cdc5$33baeeb0$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <011401c9cdc5$33baeeb0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.65.71.240 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gary, good copy. Did you play with the RX parameters ? What I gave was just the result of a 10 minute dry test, I can =20 probably be improved. Any chance for a RTTY QSO one of these days ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi Rik, > > Just got this as you came up in strength. > > ANT INV-L 11M HIGH AND 22M LONG > ERP ABT 500MW > RTTY TEST DE OR7T OR7T OR7T JO20IX > PWR 100W > ANT INV-L 11M HIGH AND 22M LONG > ERP ABT 500MW > SE K > > Looking good now. > > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 05 May 2009 21:56 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> >> Hello Rik, >> >> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >> and listen inbetween. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >> >>> Hello Gary, LF, >>> >>> I just had a first transmission. >>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>> >>>> OK Rik, >>>> >>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor= , >> I >>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the info. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Gary, LF, >>>> >>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>> The way I did it: >>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR >> BPF >>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>> do that in the main screen. >>>> >>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>> >>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>> >>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>> >>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >> needs >>>> to >>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>> >>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us usin= g >>>> 85Hz. >>>>>> >>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>> >>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the color= s >>>>>> and options. >>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>> locator >>>>>>> :- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>>> 21UTC >>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (rly-dg12.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.96]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG042-60d4a0c95f32a8; 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format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, I am running a WSPR mode beacon again on 502.4kHz "dial frequency", 503.905kHz RF out. Any reports would be very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE053-4ba4a12b75252; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:42:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE025-4ba4a12b75252; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:42:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6PZw-0005Bb-J2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:42:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6PZw-0005BS-5r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:42:00 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6PZu-0002k7-2T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:42:00 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApkFAMtTEkpZ8FKy/2dsb2JhbACEU8pwhAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.82.178]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 14:41:50 +0100 Message-ID: <008a01c9d887$904c64c0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> <20090517222630.ae0y0n55sb7ookoo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8CBA607C4722FC0-157C-146@webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com> <007401c9d880$abd2c420$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A12B248.5000304@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:41:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I quote from the LF COMIC and postings to the reflector of yesteryears. There must be a lot that cannot make the TOP FLOOR I wonder what prompted you to reply ? Does something ring a bell !! g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Dodd" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:21 PM Subject: Re: LF: JA ops > mal hamilton wrote: >> Dave >> Where have these BRAVE men gone? along with their exploding BK >> amplifiers, and smoky Decca Jeeps. >> I seem to remember when MM0ALM appeared with his home built tube >> amplifier and antenna array of 4 x 100 ft antenna masts and getting >> 579 reports on CW from the USA and Canada, those south of Watford >> capitulated. Others in the Midlands and North perservered and are >> still going strong. >> G3KEV > One gets the impression that the elevator doesn't go to the top floor > > Peter, G3LDO > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.34/2121 - Release Date: 05/18/09 17:55:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-aa34a0b4be232f; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:38:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB011-aa34a0b4be232f; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:38:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4N5P-0008OP-JZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:38:03 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4N5P-0008OF-7g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:38:03 +0100 Received: from mailout03.t-online.de ([194.25.134.81]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4N5N-0000uj-P0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Gus, tonight around 22.30 UTC your SSB is also better to read, also yesterday nicht. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Gus" schrieb: > Rik, > > thank's report. > > 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM > Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB > > > > Gus, > > > > solid 57 signal here tonight > > > > 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF023-9834a08a1fa2a; 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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9D28D.608943C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9D28D.608943C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gus, Your SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of static crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compression to boost your "talk power". My RX is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usual 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high. I have saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to you? 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gus Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9D28D.608943C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gus,

Your=20 SSB is about readability 4, signal strength 5 in QSB, with lots of static=20 crashes. It sounds like you might need a bit of audio processing/compression= to=20 boost your "talk power".

My RX=20 is an ICOM IC-PCR1000 with a tuned pre-amp, and my antenna is my usual=20 500/137kHz "tee", 20m long and 5 metres high.

I have=20 saved a couple of *.wav files - do you want me to send them to=20 you?

73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor, S.E. England

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 Gus
Sent: 11 May 2009 22:18
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF:=20 SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5=20= kHz=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW= id=20 include....

Reports are wellcome.=

73 de Gus=20 SM6BHZ
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9D28D.608943C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG081-5dc4a01ea5b78; Wed, 06 May 2009 15:52:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG075-5dc4a01ea5b78; Wed, 06 May 2009 15:51:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1n8q-0007N8-MD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 20:50:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1n8q-0007Mz-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 20:50:56 +0100 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1n8o-0005rD-Iv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 20:50:55 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.11] (helo=1.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #88) id 1M1n8m-0003be-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:50:53 +0200 Received: from w33ee.w.pppool.de ([89.58.51.238]:1147 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 1.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M1n8m-0002LI-8T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:50:52 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:50:48 +0200 Message-ID: <44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnNy5BQ2ZyBhohvQf+MHTbZJBPogAAt5zAg X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY test transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward to verify a new mode. Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Hello Gerhard, I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) 73, Rik Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > > Hello Rik, > > I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one more > chance for decoding.... > > Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> >> Hello Rik, >> >> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >> and listen inbetween. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >> >>> Hello Gary, LF, >>> >>> I just had a first transmission. >>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>> >>>> OK Rik, >>>> >>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor, >> I >>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the info. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Gary, LF, >>>> >>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>> The way I did it: >>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR >> BPF >>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>> do that in the main screen. >>>> >>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>> >>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>> >>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>> >>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >> needs >>>> to >>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>> >>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us using >>>> 85Hz. >>>>>> >>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>> >>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the colors >>>>>> and options. >>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>> locator >>>>>>> :- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>>> 21UTC >>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF083-95b4a08a8bc36f; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:38:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF051-95b4a08a8bc36f; Mon, 11 May 2009 18:37:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3e7g-0007vl-Jd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:37:24 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3e7g-0007vc-5Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:37:24 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3e7e-00070o-FF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:37:24 +0100 thread-index: AcnSiQj3Mi//a26qRaWTCse7UqrZLA== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:37:15 +0100 Message-ID: <5A69E092D3C045358FFC4FAEB5C5C2EC@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> <1M3dxj-1eZn860@fwd10.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1M3dxj-1eZn860@fwd10.t-online.de> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 00:37:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009C_01C9D299.CB70B400" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C9D299.CB70B400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable T-Online eMailHA-JO, Thank's report! I understand it's very hard to copy this evening with all the static and noi= se. Thank's=20 Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:24 AM Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear Gus, good copy of your CW signal on 505,5 kHz around 22.20 UTC here in eastern=20= Bavaria, JN68GN. SSB is difficult to read in QRN. OK? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Gus" schrieb:=20 Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ =20 ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C9D299.CB70B400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable T-Online eMail
HA-JO,

Thank's report!

I understand it's very hard to copy this eve= ning=20 with all the static and noise.

Thank's

Gus

----- Original Message -----

hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:24=20 AM

Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon

Dear Gus,
good=20 copy of your CW signal on 505,5 kHz around 22.20 UTC here in eastern=20 Bavaria, JN68GN. SSB is difficult to read in QRN.

OK?

7= 3=20 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB

"Gus" <begu@algonet.se> schrieb:=20

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,= 5 kHz=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a=20= CW id=20 include....

Reports are=20 wellcome.

73 de Gus=20 SM6BHZ
=20
------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C9D299.CB70B400-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de10.mx.aol.com (rly-de10.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.146]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE043-5074a1aa28d3c3; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:52:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE102-5074a1aa28d3c3; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:52:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8aZs-0004JZ-51 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:50:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8aZr-0004JQ-Qi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:50:55 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.191] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8aZm-0006l5-AW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:50:54 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 641CE1C00084 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:50:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.42.3]) by mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id D9C021C00081 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:50:38 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090525135038892.D9C021C00081@mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <94419FEEC27B4A928A2A9D9DC32CF1A6@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11229299AE3@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk>,<004901c9d610$1b647900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11CEAA5881A@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11CEAA5881A@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:50:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Digital path tests Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 This link may be of use http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/message/31279 G.. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de08.mx.aol.com (rly-de08.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.144]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE051-4f949fcba071bf; Sat, 02 May 2009 17:24:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE088-4f949fcba071bf; Sat, 02 May 2009 17:24:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0MfI-0007Jf-Ve for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 22:22:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0MfI-0007JW-Je for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 22:22:32 +0100 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0MfH-0005Vs-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 May 2009 22:22:32 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.20] (helo=10.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #88) id 1M0MfF-0007zN-DI; Sat, 02 May 2009 23:22:29 +0200 Received: from w152e.w.pppool.de ([89.58.21.46]:1735 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 10.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M0MfE-0000FI-RE; Sat, 02 May 2009 23:22:29 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Cc: "'Rik Strobbe'" References: <002201c9bc24$6c33fa00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><27CD374833AB46EBA48AF59F6CC2BEF3@DR2><006901c9bc4c$6e72e650$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20090413221651.jucoh8ac9ogg84g0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 23:22:27 +0200 Message-ID: <3AFA1B7B9D1240C5AD141ECA52E8A9D2@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090413221651.jucoh8ac9ogg84g0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acm8dW85ov14XQ9BTbe5Av/4FwpFVgO9YrFw X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: CQ_Test from OR7T Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C9CB7C.DCDE28E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C9CB7C.DCDE28E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Rik, LF heard your Test_Call (OR7T) on 502,7 KHz in Regular CW-Mode with 559 in JN59LN. vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI ========================= ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C9CB7C.DCDE28E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Rik, LF

heard your Test_Call (OR7T) on 502,7 KHz in Regular CW-Mode with 559

in JN59LN.

vy 73 de Gerhard&nbs= p; // DK6NI

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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik, thank's report. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB > Gus, > > solid 57 signal here tonight > > 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF054-5884a01b2cede; Wed, 06 May 2009 11:55:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF111-5884a01b2cede; Wed, 06 May 2009 11:54:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jRv-0006Gy-Gj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:54:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1jRv-0006Gp-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:54:23 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.127]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1jRs-0004IQ-TM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:54:22 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-177-148.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.177.148]) by c2bthomr09.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DFX73375; Wed, 6 May 2009 16:52:59 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:53:00 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020A.4A01B25C.04A8,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all I am hoping to be granted an NoV for portable operating on 500kHz. I have parts on order for the GW3UEP Economy transmitter which will be run on 12 Volts. Suggestions for portable aerials that can be set-up by one person on remote and windy hilltops will be most welcome. 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (rly-dc05.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.34]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC051-b244a11a8be31b; Mon, 18 May 2009 14:28:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC058-b244a11a8be31b; Mon, 18 May 2009 14:28:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M67YQ-00014k-5T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 19:27:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M67YP-00014b-N4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 19:27:13 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M67YK-00055e-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 19:27:13 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgsFAJ9EEUpOltil/2dsb2JhbACEUokFwyCEAQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.216.165]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 19:27:02 +0100 Message-ID: <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> <20090517222630.ae0y0n55sb7ookoo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:27:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 This is a meaningless argument about 25 watts and range on LF. One needs to know about the actual antenna in use and the resulting ERP. Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136 and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in that area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time. Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scotland and still do. There were also some big signals from EU at the time, unfortunately now all gone QRT, all active on CW. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Hi Warren, depends on what you call a neighbour. In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to 400km under similar conditions. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Warren Ziegler : > Tnx Laurence, > > If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will > have to get some of his neighbors on. > > 73 Warren K2ORS > > On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China > wrote: >> >> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites - >> fyi >> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A >> >> >> From: ja3vqw Hiroshi >> Hi Laurence >> >> Thanks for your e-mail. >> Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last >> month. >> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO >> with >> any station. >> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz. >> So if you find my signal please QSL me. >> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W. >> The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long. >> 73 >> >> >> >> >> >> Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: 05/18/09 06:28:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG053-5f04a0db5071cc; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:31:51 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG095-5f04a0db5071cc; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:31:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M52BR-0008Oc-K0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:31:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M52BR-0008OT-5g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:31:01 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M52BP-0004B7-0a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:31:01 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3507.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 809A37000089 for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:30:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.95.175]) by mwinf3507.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id EA1847000088 for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 20:30:46 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090515183046958.EA1847000088@mwinf3507.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <314E4EC5BF0B4EF0927346C1EABD1DBC@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:30:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Aerial current Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard . This bit may of been missed ////// Any ideas? ////// Incidentally, am I best to measure current in the link or in the aerail ////// wire? The ammeter 'has' to be at the point of feed to the Ae and 'not' within the ATU ie in a link .. the circulating currents within the tuner may be extremely large and peak voltages also may be vast , due in part to the Q of the tuner .. my home brew 80 mtr tuner used to un-solder the tap's on the coil and the ww2 cellulite coil separators used to flash over .... As for measuring power with the ammeter into the antenna this is virtually impossible , unless you have a calibrated power meter and are able to , measure the losses in the tuner and the power supplied to the tuner/Ae with a near perfect match , the current value then may be extrapolated and used as a relative measurement .. for that frequency . with that Ae at that time due to the load being 'complex' G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Newstead" Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 5:01 PM To: Subject: LF: Aerial current > > After my success in getting more current into the aerial yesterday I > decided to measure the RF current in the link (link coupled ATU) with a > proper RF ammeter. I was somewhat surprised that the current pinned my 1 > Amp RF meter. How can that be? I can think of some possible reasons: > > 1) The meter is wrong (it must be nearly 70 years old) > 2) The impedance is not 50 Ohms which is odd because I assume the TX is > designed to have a 50 Ohm output and I carefully adjusted the link for > maximum power transfer last night). > 3) The transmitter is giving out far more power than expected (seems > unlikely). > > Any ideas? > > Incidentally, am I best to measure current in the link or in the aerail > wire? > > 73 > > Richard > > PS - beacon on again 501.6kHz. > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.29/2114 - Release Date: 05/14/09 > 06:28:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD052-92c4a0b3af4b3; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:26:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD104-92c4a0b3af4b3; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:26:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4LxL-0007C1-DO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:25:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4LxL-0007Bs-1u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:25:39 +0100 Received: from mx10.go2.pl ([193.17.41.74] helo=poczta.o2.pl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4LxI-00088I-Jf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:25:38 +0100 Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx10.go2.pl [127.0.0.1]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3792865F03 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:24:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bxi (unknown [193.189.116.3]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:24:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <006801c9d411$40a61ad0$6551e00a@bxi> From: "Marcin" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2><010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com><833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> <20090513225952.e2nk4cqpm9kwokc4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> <51B7F2FA87A84383BB1A2166E4DF2A02@2a2d7ed321c6425> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:24:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.332 Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Gus Copy your beacon 55/559 now. -- Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI (JO94II) Rik, thank's report. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB > Gus, > > solid 57 signal here tonight > > 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD073-91749ff901a73; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:02:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD077-91749ff901a73; Mon, 04 May 2009 21:02:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M191s-0008ML-Tk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 02:01:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M191s-0008MC-Hk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 02:01:04 +0100 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M191p-0005oD-JQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 02:01:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 65300 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 01:00:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=4G0abTnHRphKI8cGuW8MMlpNCJBhG8ZjgsY9bGY16ukgoTap00suoe9zcxq5N0ueAeKUjOfasSay9Kh7V+V4YD3cWD4vU+2QfHz4CKsH0yNp+rHAgeeIVZWI64iKlHHFi+wP8QVq2Tfdfzn2iYsaGabXCUd4pfyoU6aAK84JFnk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.110.22 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 01:00:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5z_ZyA0VM1kCdhJleuiCmjOgYHCXPRy1eR6pGBanQNFfmCWw5FwVafd3TdT0_dvPM2z9kJDhoCsbad2HCzUdk0deyaWfRBTKntbS0OnsyxhJCayl6isuJbfH2FP6Uer1hXJKlYXx1TeUjycl_5uzOohtc6rolREW3D9XsJZSKPz3tGbUr6Blr8qJ70Ss0UQcfZpIaw7HbtYA5ttfSNLwqXdnaJ0MzZ9NlOc5LfoQkuxdjALeQF_o6biuYvMnNM1MF0Hn0swp2zADbtL.XoaBEWbYuVTPVN9GVoF_chvZo1_xMyKKrxo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <9ADAE0806D17400EBA500453FF36AF90@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8bf118410905040810m1fb41016pab9a1c0a7c79bf06@mail.gmail.com> <106017.93017.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <106017.93017.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 02:00:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Chris, LF Group, ...>>>> The problem's before the mixer. As advised, I disconnected the RF stage and injected a signal into the mixer and it gives a constant output even with a blow heater playing on the insides. >>>>... So that narrows it down to the ferrite rod antenna circuit or the FET preamp. Injecting the signal directly into the preamp input should tell you which it is. ...>>>> I've spent a few more hours on the F/S meter today and still have not found the problem. I can blow with a drinking straw on any component and there's very little output change yet with time there's a slow drift with temperature - the output goes up with increased temperature. >>>... At the moment, my bet would be on the ferrite rod antenna. The transconductance of a FET (JFET or MOSFET) certainly varies with temperature, but generally decreases with increasing temp, so the output level should fall as the temperature rises, and probably not as much as you are observing. Since the output of the ferrite rod ant depends mostly on the bulk properties of a fairly large chunk of ferrite, it would take an awful lot of blowing down a straw to have an effect ;-) But a change in ambient temp would give a slow change in output as the ferrite warmed or cooled. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD101-b604a0b3ca3299; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:33:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD022-b604a0b3ca3299; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:33:26 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4M4F-0007Ud-7k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:32:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4M4E-0007UU-Sx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:32:46 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4M4B-0008Fa-QK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:32:46 +0100 thread-index: AcnUElMsgWN01AQNStCbFNpl51ozwA== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:32:30 +0100 Message-ID: <97F20D0C2D4D4F41863B91D1CFD71367@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2><010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920><57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com><833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> <20090513225952.e2nk4cqpm9kwokc4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> <51B7F2FA87A84383BB1A2166E4DF2A02@2a2d7ed321c6425> <006801c9d411$40a61ad0$6551e00a@bxi> In-Reply-To: <006801c9d411$40a61ad0$6551e00a@bxi> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:32:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Marcin, thank's report! 73 de Gus SM6BHZ www.sm6bhz.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcin" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:24 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB > Hello Gus > Copy your beacon 55/559 now. > -- > Vy 73! > Marcin SQ2BXI (JO94II) > > > Rik, > > thank's report. > > 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM > Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB > > >> Gus, >> >> solid 57 signal here tonight >> >> 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC104-b104a0e8ce35d; Sat, 16 May 2009 05:52:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC034-b104a0e8ce35d; Sat, 16 May 2009 05:52:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M5GYr-0001so-H6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:52:09 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M5GYr-0001se-5P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:52:09 +0100 Received: from mhost03c.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.76.167]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M5GYp-0001iB-6q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:52:09 +0100 Received: from APOLLO2.ds.leeds.ac.uk (apollo2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.5.5]) by mhost03c.leeds.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4G9q1px008952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:52:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([fe80::39ce:23e:d0b5:7e24]) by APOLLO2.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.5.5]) with mapi; Sat, 16 May 2009 10:52:01 +0100 From: Chris Trayner To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:50:21 +0100 Thread-Topic: Wavemeters Thread-Index: AQHJ1gv1Ap4larMmpkWOy0k4AOLyRA== Message-ID: <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11229299AE3@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Wavemeters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Talking of wavemeters, I have a class D wavemeter surplus to requirements. A= nyone want it? Free to a good home. 73, Chris G4OKW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB071-adf4a19b2363bf; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:47:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB085-adf4a19b2363bf; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:46:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M8KaI-0001mH-R8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:46:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M8KaI-0001m8-FI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:46:18 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8KaF-00022X-Vr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:46:17 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175527B8043 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:46:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EF1F3862 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:46:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 798CB59CF; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:46:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 84.36-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (84.36-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.36.84]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:46:07 +0200 Message-ID: <20090524224607.90l9xp4i23k000gs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:46:07 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <108EF969E1FE4E14821FD0B03287232F@JimPC> <20090524213307.sbrh6ea8x2g4og4s@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <7ED4E103A61B462EB9BBD98AB79610B1@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <7ED4E103A61B462EB9BBD98AB79610B1@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.36.84 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Jim, thanks for the info. I can hear the beacon CW on 503.1 with 429 report. Without QRN it would be a solid copy. 73, Rik Quoting James Moritz : > Dear Rik, LF Group, > > At the moment (2030utc), they are transmitting a CW beacon signal on > 503.1kHz, apparently the same signal level as before. QRN is getting > very heavy here. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV > > >> nil from G0MRF here (until 19:30 UTC) >> Are they QRV ? >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC042-b2b4a09675e3ce; Tue, 12 May 2009 08:11:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC067-b2b4a09675e3ce; Tue, 12 May 2009 08:11:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3qnr-0002fz-Jv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 13:09:47 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3qnr-0002fq-5c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 13:09:47 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3qnp-00035x-1d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 13:09:47 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqsEADQECUpZ8PlN/2dsb2JhbACEUMd4hAIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.249.77]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 13:09:39 +0100 Message-ID: <007401c9d2fa$863a6280$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com>, <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A094F88.31094.2E46CD4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:09:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 You are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and especially antennas. I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with the far end just above ground , and in normal CW mode. Some time ago it was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil formers, thought an AR88D was a diversity fly catcher. What is coming next? The diversity UMBRELLA!!!! My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 100 ft high and performs well but for some this might be difficult, therefore use what you can get on your property and let the far end tilt down if necessary. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable >> You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. >> The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied >> to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far >> away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it >> simple. mal/g3kev > > This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards will reduce the effective > height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the > effective height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far > preferable to an inverted-L in a single mast situation because a > large amount of capacitance to ground can be achieved without much > reduction of effective height. > > Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my > advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are > very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Keep well away from > wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is > power lost. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 16:14:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (rly-mc10.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.94]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC021-d9d4a048f251bc; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:59:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC105-d9d4a048f251bc; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:59:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2WDr-0006Lo-W3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:59:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2WDr-0006Le-KO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:59:07 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2WDp-0008Ok-Fe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:59:07 +0100 X-Trace: 195538681/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtgEAKwrBEpYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKEyGTIMOgQjCSQeDdgU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,318,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="195538681" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 08 May 2009 20:59:04 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <4A045BA9.60002@btconnect.com> <8bf118410905080936v26db00dbh1610abc103aa78f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A046BAF.3050108@btconnect.com> <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:59:04 +0100 Message-ID: <00a401c9d017$709814d0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <3F6DE782D2D2480F809F0FDBBF1E9DF0@AGB> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnQEHsYICKrVkoKT9SUbgc6dyivvAABtFKA X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Graham, LF, Coming in here no problem. CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd CQ CQ CQ de g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd qsl g0nbd@hotmail.com g0nbd@hotmail.com 73, Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 08 May 2009 20:05 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: MFSK 4 , 503.00 cent Narrow , MFSK 4 running 503.000 cent freq tx set 502.000 usb / 1000 hz audio cent FLDIGI software 100 Hz bw ? how wide do you make it ? tnx- Graham G0NBD IO83LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-ad94a1566612d4; Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB077-ad94a1566612d4; Thu, 21 May 2009 10:34:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M79L2-0007PY-Hr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:33:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M79L2-0007PP-6E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:33:40 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.144]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M79Kz-0008KE-3N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:33:39 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so679153qwj.16 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:33:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WEanQKY6gv3NOlZ7JssKoJ56+fx3AKXpr0jS/tGGSHo=; b=xd+NHInAnsIWHby9EpIDm9cjGff8qw9FMx7816O3GJ8Vtzyq2OFXH/uqxVX+0MgiUZ wVgfeLsoyFxhKig+Ka2K+kponwOLW5p3ZbiZYP1r9MhI1//lWjQPQ6NAYyZULIOlEWz/ 0faMTG2nxM1Nx5W0XAKpp/wsAqxdJ1KbbIMB8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=M+z3T1t+6GeDBWcMzZOl8NDAHOzqDH/8FhiYBv3YKtGGKo2CoTJiWoh3aZpLnPhVmv xnCvrsSHFzzU/yzvrdVb1O9B12/xtfehxorrumToHQ+3b+6aUtM7WqMJE2WMfCkjmO+k CVZpH84NA2qO7f6pU/J13OKOgK3GYANHe11fk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.37.7 with SMTP id v7mr2660276qad.35.1242916415144; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:33:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:33:35 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70905210733k910381ctab7dd160afc39442@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 21-05.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d289.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thanks Henny! On 5/21/09, henny van elst wrote: > Hi Warren,Lf > strong signal and nice capture, > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s. > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 21-05.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG102-a2b4a0b3513a9; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:01:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG085-a2b4a0b3513a9; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:01:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4LZ3-0006md-IY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gus, solid 57 signal here tonight 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME104-9d74a0c8286ac; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:44:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME093-9d74a0c8286ac; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:43:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4hlY-0001OX-Pu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 21:42:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4hlY-0001OO-9z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 21:42:56 +0100 Received: from mx12.go2.pl ([193.17.41.142] helo=poczta.o2.pl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4hlV-0002EV-23 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 21:42:55 +0100 Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx12 [127.0.0.1]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9E2104050 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:42:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bxi (unknown [193.189.116.61]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004a01c9d4d4$788e0b60$6551e00a@bxi> From: "Marcin" To: References: <003401c9d201$9fa60e30$6551e00a@bxi> <00dc01c9d328$a5f37c00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <007f01c9d355$af366bb0$6551e00a@bxi> <007b01c9d4a5$fd72a090$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:42:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: 137,710KHz sked Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Mal! In last weekend though storms We have QRSS 3s QSO in RU6LA: http://www.sp2kds.pl/wiadomoci/203-nowy-odx-w-pamie-136khz.html Mayby tray 10GHz rain scatter sked. Hi! -- Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > Marcin > I will look for u at 1900 onwards but WX forecast is poor with thunder > storms for the weekend. > QRN levels could be vy high. > 73 de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:02 AM > Subject: LF: 137,710KHz sked > > > > Helo Mal > > We wored at 137,710kHz on Saturday about 19-23 UTC. > > Mal plise sked 21:00 UTC, QRSS 3. > > Club antenna: > > http://www.sp2kds.pl/images/stories/antena%20136khz3.jpg > > Antenna foto: > > http://www.sp2kds.pl/galeria-morfeo/view/29.html > > -- > > Vy 73! > > Marcin SQ2BXI > > > >> Marcin > >> Are u testing during the week. I am qrv most evenings on CW and QRS3 > >> only. > >> My signal is usually strong in Poland daytime and nightime on 137 Khz. > >> Let > >> me know when u are QRV > >> DE Mal/g3kev > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Marcin" > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:27 AM > >> Subject: LF: Re: WPF > >> > >> > >> > Hello! > >> > Is there anyone to sked 136kHz? > >> > Plise about LF sked to saturday (16 may 2009); in the evening; QRSS or > > CW; > >> > 137,710kHz.. > >> > We have QRV on SP2KDS Club: JO94II ,1W EIRP, longwire antena 30m/110m. > >> > -- > >> > Vy 73! > >> > Marcin SQ2BXI > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > ------ > >> > >> > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: > >> 05/08/09 > >> 11:43:00 > >> > >> > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 > 16:14:00 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD062-b864a0744ae224; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:18:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD068-b864a0744ae224; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:18:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3GPW-0001xl-W0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:18:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3GPW-0001xc-FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:18:14 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3GPV-0001go-M5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:18:14 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458CA51C006 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:17:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1921BF3863 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:17:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A73215D2A; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:17:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 37.176-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (37.176-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.176.37]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:17:58 +0200 Message-ID: <20090510231758.jrfbrmu66i0og8sk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:17:58 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006e01c9d0e4$d6af66b0$6401a8c0@asus><5086F7980B3E4BB0AF60D8620D735B5E@JimPC><008901c9d0ea$1dc16cb0$6401a8c0@asus><61ECB87CADD94B23BE3BBFF76DBCE7C3@AGB><4C4336FD5157446E84F89E666407F64C@AGB><1FD7913FE62A449BA85637178BF518B1@AGB> <20090510214003.2sgbpxf3hqv4wscw@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <2149FAD3D3B349DA8DD2D9B692522EEE@AGB> In-Reply-To: <2149FAD3D3B349DA8DD2D9B692522EEE@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.176.37 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, 21:15 UTC Throbx2 =3D 80% copy PSK31 =3D 50% copy MFSK4 =3D 0% copy (although audible weak) 73, Rik Quoting Graham : > Ok Rik, > > Well see what prints with this beacon, Im running Fldigi x 3 times > on the same pc , Gary is running the same for rx and reports all is > ok with the system ... > > tnx- G .. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:40 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > late= r > >> >> Hello Graham, >> >> thanks for the QSO's last night. >> Under current conditions (lot of QRN and QSB) ThrobX2 seemes a bit =20 >> better than >> PSK31. MFSK4 wouldn't print last night. >> The night before it was the same until all the sudden I had a perfect pri= nt. >> Maybe tuning / synchronisation is rather critical for MFSK4. >> The bandwidth of MFSK4 seems about 150Hz, so i will not use it for transm= it. >> PSK31 and ThrobX2 are well below 100Hz. >> >> I will try to decode the signals starting 21:00 UTC. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Graham : >> >>> Final set up , power ~ 30 watts per stream >>> same text , 60 sec repeat .. >>> >>> >>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz =3D 503.20k cent rf >>> >>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz =3D 503,00k cent rf >>> >>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz =3D 502.70 k cent rf >>> >>> >>> Thanks for reports via email, throb, is showing well as it has 'no' >>> lock up time ? >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Graham" >>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:40 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: LF: 3 mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 503.2 1800 gmt > later >>> >>>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> Just added psk31 on 2200 hz audio >>>> >>>> G .. >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Graham" >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:18 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: LF: Dual mode Beacon 503.00 502.700 1800 gmt > later >>>> >>>>> >>>>> All >>>>> >>>>> Running MFSK 4 and ThrobX2 >>>>> >>>>> Tx set >>>>> >>>>> Dial 501.000 >>>>> mode usb >>>>> >>>>> FLDIGI software >>>> >>>> PSK31 Cent audio 2200 Hz >>>>> >>>>> MFSK4 Cent Audio 2000 Hz >>>>> >>>>> ThrobX2 Cent Audio 1700 Hz >>>>> >>>>> Power 40 watts per stream >>>>> Running loop at 60 seconds repeat >>>>> >>>>> No rx due to drive below vox/alc level >>>>> >>>>> Reports welcome >>>>> >>>>> Graham >>>>> >>>>> G0NBD / IO83LK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release =20 >>>>> Date: 05/09/09 >>>>> 06:54:00 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: >>>> 05/09/09 06:54:00 >>>> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: =20 >> 05/10/09 07:02:00 >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5fa4a0b4af257; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:34:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG105-5fa4a0b4af257; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:34:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4N1K-0008Jd-Nm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:33:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4N1K-0008JU-5m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:33:50 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4N1I-0000ro-Cp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:33:50 +0100 thread-index: AcnUGt5PawYqjkwVS6mdLg5LZLDN7w== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:33:41 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: <1582396BAA6345DA9AA170F40E237C30@radiorummet> <904474A8715F452BB14047664F07E1FB@AGB> In-Reply-To: <904474A8715F452BB14047664F07E1FB@AGB> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:33:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham, nothing changed here! Yes maybe there is a little difference on Gary's grabber. Finbar GI4DPE send me a audio clip 20 min ago, good audio no limits in audio ;-). Iteresting experiance around different antennas!! Abt what we talked yesterday Q and so on.... My antenna have bandwith enough for SSB so there is no limit. This time of year there is a lot of noise and static, so there is ofcourse hard to receive especially with tuned antennas. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ www.sm6bhz.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB Gus, Have you altered the spectrum ? looking slightly different on Gary's grabber . good signal to night .. but lots of static , may just be noise level , speech seems less coloured , more red and blue , less green ? Best Rx Ae 20 mtr lazey H , no atu , direct via air space balum , slow qsb 7/8 Skip distance is just right for this storm in France ! http://www.upminsterweather.co.uk/test/ll.htm -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gus" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:43 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB > > Hi Marco, > > thanks report and info! > > 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > www.sm6bhz.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scholz, Marco " > To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:35 PM > Subject: AW: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB > > >> Hello Gus, >> your CW is ufb RST 529, SSB weaker RST 41. >> Happy to catch your SSB transmission. >> >> Thanks to Gerhard, DK6NI for informing me directly. >> >> Good night >> Vy73 >> Marco >> DD7PC >> >> >> ----- Originalnachricht ----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Gesendet: Wed May 13 22:16:26 2009 >> Betreff: LF: AW: Re: 500kHz SSB >> >> >> Hello Gus, >> >> Also solid copy (56) in JN59LN >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >> >> ====================== >> >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gus >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2009 23:05 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB >> >> Rik, >> >> thank's report. >> >> 73 de Gus SM6BHZ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rik Strobbe" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM >> Subject: LF: 500kHz SSB >> >> >>> Gus, >>> >>> solid 57 signal here tonight >>> >>> 73, Rik, ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.27/2112 - Release Date: 05/13/09 > 07:04:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF032-96e4a09770678; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:18:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF074-96e4a09770678; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:18:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3rqj-00031P-0N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 14:16:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3rqi-00031G-9W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 14:16:48 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f171.google.com ([209.85.218.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3rqf-0007hc-0X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 May 2009 14:16:47 +0100 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so4287660bwz.4 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 06:16:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1rer1/RPHU1CY39n+3VenGdNcQnmgCGzgUV/HFhBFp0=; b=Tcx6sl6sRfZb/BF0z/Ij4iCAXPy1blAs1YoVMbWNmFmfIhrY5be5eGEdZ0wWUswP+J wj6xNJR6xc0HvQ9gt9b8ig0ggSsxJlDVmPaWmAHcsvbJjftBH9B/prAslYzJGZQg8Kc9 XWOYupwDqwOuXnYvHNDVKXS4jQhjoTe1GJtPA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hRuKjm8lVDgyMviQSs8rIzg/NXwbBhv/yS2U33qEbY1qIDDCVr2cuKNgJznxZSMeCo K9sg3Sv/ToQFT8Tis+54cc/vJP0v8RYZSEyoJv/aDlLznVjxuGOy5n3WmJutFMS/zHyG uO0i6KQU2Q3imQ2D3t9chBEusEvMZ1SApLLWU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.117.203 with SMTP id s11mr8023949bkq.153.1242134198872; Tue, 12 May 2009 06:16:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <007401c9d2fa$863a6280$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4A094F88.31094.2E46CD4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <007401c9d2fa$863a6280$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:16:38 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d64865afea890469b6e724 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d251.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6d64865afea890469b6e724 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to become a loop with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather than a vertical. ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tenth of a wavelength cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered in its entirety. Such is obvious even before resorting to modelling. Mike was referring to electrically short antennas where the downward sloping part simply opposes the current flow in the upward path. A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too noticeable in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could do more good than its slope undoes. Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude and treating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as second-class radio-ams, you stop and read the exam question. Andy G4JNT wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom 2009/5/12 mal hamilton > You are certainly NO EXPERT at amateur radio never mind LF/MF and > especially antennas. > I have worked the world on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with the far end just > above ground , and in normal CW mode. > Some time ago it was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil formers, > thought an AR88D was a diversity fly catcher. > What is coming next? The diversity UMBRELLA!!!! > My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 100 ft high and performs > well but for some this might be difficult, therefore use what you can get on > your property and let the far end tilt down if necessary. > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" < > mike.dennison@ntlworld.com> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable > > > You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. >>> The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied >>> to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far >>> away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it >>> simple. mal/g3kev >>> >> >> This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards will reduce the effective >> height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the >> effective height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far >> preferable to an inverted-L in a single mast situation because a >> large amount of capacitance to ground can be achieved without much >> reduction of effective height. >> >> Based on my experience of LF portable (both on 73 and 136kHz), my >> advice is to make very sure that the remote ends of a Marconi are >> very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Keep well away from >> wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is >> power lost. >> >> Mike, G3XDV >> ========== >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 > 16:14:00 > > > --0016e6d64865afea890469b6e724 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A full quarter wave inverted L with sloping end is starting to become a= loop with the ground path forming part of the loop conductor, rather than a= vertical.=A0=A0 ANY antenna that approaches more than about a tenth of a wa= velength cannot be treated as small any more, and must be considered in its=20= entirety.=A0 Such is obvious even before resorting to modelling.=A0 Mike was= referring to electrically short antennas where the downward sloping part si= mply opposes the current flow in the upward path.=A0=A0=A0

=A0

A small amount of slope on a large capacity hat might not be too notice= able in practice, as a lot of extra capacitance at the top could do more goo= d than its slope undoes.

=A0

Please stop and actually think, and perhaps before being so rude and= =A0treating all why don't own millions of hectares of farmland as second= -class radio-ams, you stop and read the exam question.

Andy =A0G4JNT
wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom

=

2009/5/12 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
You are certainly NO EXPERT at ama= teur radio never mind LF/MF and especially antennas.
I have worked the wo= rld on LF/MF using Inv L antennas with the far end just above ground , and i= n normal CW mode.
Some time ago it was Comics, elevated lemonade bottles as coil =A0formers, t= hought an AR88D was a =A0diversity fly catcher.
What is coming next? The=20= diversity UMBRELLA!!!!
My current MF antenna is a full 1/4 wave inv L, 10= 0 ft high and performs well but for some this might be difficult, therefore=20= use what you can get on your property and let the far end tilt down if neces= sary.
G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" &l= t;mike.denni= son@ntlworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Port= able

You do not need 2 masts for an inv= L or T antenna.
The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the=20= far end tied
to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far
away= as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it
simple= . mal/g3kev

This is quite wrong. Any slope downwards wil= l reduce the effective
height of a Marconi. Since ERP is a function of the square of the
effecti= ve height this is extremely important. An umbrella is far
preferable to a= n inverted-L in a single mast situation because a
large amount of capacit= ance to ground can be achieved without much
reduction of effective height.

Based on my experience of LF portable=20= (both on 73 and 136kHz), my
advice is to make very sure that the remote e= nds of a Marconi are
very well insulated as they carry large voltages. Ke= ep well away from
wet trees. This is not just a safety issue; any voltage leaked is
power l= ost.

Mike, G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

--------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8= .5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 16:14:00

--0016e6d64865afea890469b6e724-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG052-5b34a222ea1296; Sun, 31 May 2009 03:15:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG034-5b34a222ea1296; Sun, 31 May 2009 03:15:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MAfFj-0007Ip-SD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:14:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MAfFj-0007Ig-D3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:14:43 +0100 Received: from wmsmtp.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.253] helo=otmx.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAfFg-0007t3-KK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:14:42 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroEAI7LIUpOlAzS/2dsb2JhbACEWskfhAwF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.12.210]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 31 May 2009 08:14:33 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c9e1bf$727f0560$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00d901c9e150$268eb610$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905301941q6d895ae8ofc8cceed6fd6cc5c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:14:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Need info Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Tnx Warren But I cannot find my model on the web sites, everything but. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:41 AM Subject: Re: LF: Need info > Mal, > http://www.armspower.com/Products/Powerware/Powerware9Prestige/Powerware9Prestige%20User%27s%20Guide,%20600-1800VA.pdf > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM, mal hamilton > wrote: >> UPS unit >> POWERWARE PRESTIGE EXT 1800P2HVSE >> Tech manual or any info appreciated >> tnx mal/g3kev >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2143 - Release Date: 05/30/09 05:53:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA081-a784a0a76f2201; Wed, 13 May 2009 03:30:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA068-a784a0a76f2201; Wed, 13 May 2009 03:29:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M48tc-0001I4-SL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 08:28:56 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M48tc-0001Hv-5s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 08:28:56 +0100 Received: from mail.cz.gmc.net ([77.48.211.230]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M48tY-0001n5-FI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 08:28:56 +0100 Received: from Lenovo (192.168.100.32) by dove.gmc.net (192.168.40.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.358.0; Wed, 13 May 2009 09:28:22 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Petr_Mal=FD?= To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:28:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C9D3AD.2256B300" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C9D3AD.2256B300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Graham, I use DDSv4: http://www.rmt-tech.com/Products.html I use it in my up-converter: http://ok1fig.nagano.cz/UC5695/Uc5695.htm I was so happy with it that I purchased two units more for the future use. T= he main advantage: the controlling program of the unit can be easily changed= . In other words, the DDS now does EXACTLY what I need: http://ok1fig.nagano.cz/UC5695/MenuSystem.htm 73, Petr, OK1FIG ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:25 PM Subject: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit , better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working even better ! Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device=20 Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master=20 oscillator for tx=20 Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) Tnx- Graham .=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C9D3AD.2256B300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Graham,

I use DDSv4:

http://www.rmt-tech.com/Products.html

I use it in my up-converter:

http://ok1fig.nagano.cz/UC5695/Uc5695.htm

I was so happy with it that I purchased two= units=20 more for the future use. The main advantage: the controlling program of the=20= unit=20 can be easily changed. In other words, the DDS now does EXACTLY what I=20 need:

http://ok1fig.nagano.cz/UC5695/MenuSystem.htm

73, Petr, OK1FIG

----- Original Message -----

Graham

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:25=20 PM

Subject: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any i= deas /=20 for sale etc ?

Looking for a low freq= uency ,=20 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit ,

better a part complete= d=20 kit would be better ...second hand working

even better !

Ideal would be a box w= ith a=20 frequency display and a key pad to

enter the freque= ncy ,=20 preferable to a pc addressed device

Couple of volts sine w= ave out=20 , nothing fancy , simple master

oscillator for&n= bsp; tx=20

Any ideas or&nbs= p; links=20 (any for sale ?)

Tnx- Graham .=20
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Many thanx Henny for this second contact with you.

Happy to see you next time dear.

F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP
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-0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M4eGv-0007ni-KJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:59:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M4eGv-0007nZ-5n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:59:05 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M4eGt-00018i-9b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:59:05 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C96377000089 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:58:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.3.78]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 898EE7000088 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:58:57 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090514165857563.898EE7000088@mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905130629q408f0128yfe5356c77bbe084e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70905130629q408f0128yfe5356c77bbe084e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:58:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Warren, The only info I can find is in German .. if this is the same device, did=20 you have a english handbook ? from the photo. it looks like the on screen=20 display is in english ? slight problem if its not ! G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Ziegler" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:29 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: AW: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? > > Graham, Gerhard, > > This is EXACTLY the dds that I used and observed considerable > temperature drift when operating QRSS 60 on 137 kHz. > > --=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Beckmann, Gerhard > wrote: >> Hello Graham, >> >> >> >> the DDS-Oscillator under this link may partial meet your requirements=20= =85 >> >> >> >> http://www.box73.de/catalog/pdf/FA0407_694-695.pdf?osCsid=3D983aae56f383b >> >> >> >> 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI >> >> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 23:25 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: LF: Low freq DDS VFO any ideas / for sale etc ? >> >> >> >> >> >> Looking for a low frequency , 100k > 30 Mhz ish dds vfo, possibly a kit , >> >> better a part completed kit would be better ...second hand working >> >> even better ! >> >> >> >> Ideal would be a box with a frequency display and a key pad to >> >> enter the frequency , preferable to a pc addressed device >> >> >> >> Couple of volts sine wave out , nothing fancy , simple master >> >> oscillator for tx >> >> >> >> Any ideas or links (any for sale ?) >> >> >> >> Tnx- Graham . > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2110 - Release Date: 05/12/09= =20 > 06:22:00 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB054-abb4a1db047228; 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Wed, 27 May 2009 23:26:49 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Cc: "'Gus'" References: <00f001c9d336$e20b35d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8C9A146733714A4BAFA422AEE4A99851@DR2> <010201c9d33a$d8907700$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70905122048u75f7dde4re9b182360a86651@mail.gmail.com> <833DED11D10C4FC1ADE8913FAA0FFE59@AGB> <20090513225952.e2nk4cqpm9kwokc4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <9C23EA941B2B4DBDB40764CB1189A271@radiorummet> <1M4N5H-0fEEds0@fwd03.t-online.de> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:26:59 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnUHh16elKmHQGuSsi0CnFxN4p1IgK8ycQg In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz SSB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Gus, LF Your SSB-signal is coming up now with 349, but strong QRN; Your CW-signal is solid readable now!!! vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) ===================================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD022-92b49ff5c3a365; Mon, 04 May 2009 17:21:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD103-92b49ff5c3a365; Mon, 04 May 2009 17:20:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M15Zz-0007Nx-N6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:20:03 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M15Zz-0007No-9i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:20:03 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M15Zx-0003YG-F0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:20:03 +0100 X-Trace: 190086330/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.18.229/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.18.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuIEAN/4/klYahLl/2dsb2JhbACDKIcVhBDAQweDdgU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,293,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="190086330" Received: from 88-106-18-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.18.229]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 04 May 2009 22:18:58 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com> <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:18:58 +0100 Message-ID: <01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnM9Xd1QU9t7mqXS86EW/gCQnePXwACChfQ X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Rik, This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & locator :- RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: rtty test dear all, I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at 21UTC Reports and/or reply welcome. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB021-d404a01fe19159; 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Wed, 6 May 2009 23:14:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 33E435C4F; Wed, 6 May 2009 23:15:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 69.175-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (69.175-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.240.175.69]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 06 May 2009 23:15:00 +0200 Message-ID: <20090506231500.u5bmu3subydwokw0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 23:15:00 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425><20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be><004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.240.175.69 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, my signal is now even gone on the YXM grabber. Poor propagation tonight. I am going QRT now. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Rik, > > You signal not as strong tonight so far. > > Gary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 06 May 2009 21:40 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Gary, Gerhard, > > right now (20:35 UTC) I can see traces of my signal on the G3YXM > grabber and strong signals from Gary. > > 73, Rik > > on the > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > >> Hi Rik & Gerhard, >> >> When Rik makes his CQ call I will attempt to make a 2 way contact using > the >> same settings. >> >> Any reports will be welcome. >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> Sent: 06 May 2009 21:04 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 >> minutes. >> Same mode as yesterday. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. >>> Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY > test >>> transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward >> to >>> verify a new mode. >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Hello Gerhard, >>> >>> I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC >>> Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) >>> >>> 73, Rik >>> >>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Rik, >>>> >>>> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one >>> more >>>> chance for decoding.... >>>> >>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Hello Gerhard, >>>> >>>> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello Rik, >>>>> >>>>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>>>> >>>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>>>> >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>>>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>>>> and listen inbetween. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>>>> >>>>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer >> transmissions. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>> >>>>>>> OK Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to >>> monitor, >>>>> I >>>>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50H= z >>>>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>>>> The way I did it: >>>>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to >> FIR >>>>> BPF >>>>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click > "OK" >>>>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>>>> needs >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got >> the >>>>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your >> spec. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us >>> using >>>>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better >> decode >>>>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik > Strobbe >>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong fo= r >>>>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any furthe= r >>>>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the >>> colors >>>>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. >> 100Hz >>>>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign=20= & >>>>>>> locator >>>>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik >> Strobbe >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 > at >>>>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME054-9a849ff738d329; 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Tue, 5 May 2009 00:59:34 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090504225934847.CED4F7000081@mwinf3626.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8bf118410905040810m1fb41016pab9a1c0a7c79bf06@mail.gmail.com> <106017.93017.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <109DCE3D58BE4C3DAD93CFE7859DA29B@AGB> <797428.43044.qm@web28503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <797428.43044.qm@web28503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 23:59:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0116_01C9CD14.5F689820" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0116_01C9CD14.5F689820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Chris, Is this the cct ? http://wireless.org.uk/fig2.jpg I can only think that something in the tuned cct is a little heat sensitive= ? , how high is the 'q' the back to back diodes could be temperature sens= itive ? what material is the coil former ? some plastics are very temperature unsta= ble , could the former be expanding ?=20 Was temperature stability tested on the original design .. if so is the lev= el scalable with frequency , 100 @ 100K 500 @ 500K , that sort of thin= g ?=20 G ..=20 From: Chris Osborn=20 Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:31 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed No Graham, I can swap a flat battery with a new one and the output hardly moves. Yes the oscillator and RF stages are regulated and holding constant. The problem's before the mixer. As advised, I disconnected the RF stage and injected a signal into the mixer and it gives a constant output even with a blow heater playing on the=20= insides. 73 Chris XIZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, 4 May, 2009 21:31:37 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Chris Its not the battery is it ... assume the supply voltage / regulated volta= ge is holding constant ? G ..=20 From: Chris Osborn=20 Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:23 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Thanks again Dave and Alan, I've spent a few more hours on the F/S meter today and still have not found=20= the problem. I can blow with a drinking straw on any component and there's very little output change yet with time there's a slow drift with temperature - the outp= ut goes up with increased temperature. I thought I'd found the problem as by squeezing the ferrite rod 's screening= tube I could get a fair change in the output (about 10 %). The tube's metal is not aluminium but I guess an aluminium alloy. In any case I changed it for a proper aluminium tube - no difference ! >From the shack's temperature of 23 degrees and taking the F/S meter outside= to an ambient=20 13 degrees the meter's output changed from 0.48 volts to 0.35 volts !! I have run out of ideas now and am thinking maybe it's even the permeability= of the die cast box that's changing or maybe the perspex end caps of the ferrite rod. . . . I'm=20= getting desperate ! 73 Chris G3XIZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, 4 May, 2009 16:10:26 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Chris Have you tried a can of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies?=20= Is it the ferrite aerial or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain= then a little negative feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-deco= upled source resistor. Dave 'YXM 2009/5/3 Chris Osborn LF, I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook= ), modified for use on the 500 kHz band. I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering availa= ble components, the differences being: a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published varicap= s. b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the publi= shed LW coil. I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field ye= t the=20 field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and= can vary up to 30 %. I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've spe= nt hours trying to correct it. 73 Chris G3XIZ --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Ok Chris,

Is this the cct ?

http://wireless.org.uk/fig2.jpg

I can only think that something in th= e tuned=20 cct is a little heat sensitive ? , how high is the 'q' the back to&nbs= p;=20 back diodes could be temperature sensitive ?

what material is the coil former ? so= me=20 plastics are very temperature unstable , could the former be expanding ?=20

Was temperature stability tested on the&nbs= p;=20 original design .. if so is the level scalable with frequency , 100&nb= sp;=20 @ 100K   500 @ 500K , that sort of thing ?=20

G ..

From: Chris Osborn

Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:31 PM

To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

No Graham,

I can swap a flat battery with a new one and the outp= ut=20 hardly moves.
Yes the oscillator and RF stages are regulated and holding=20 constant.

The problem's before the mixer.
As advised, I=20 disconnected the RF stage and injected a signal into the
mixer and it giv= es a=20 constant output even with a blow heater playing on the insides.

73 Ch= ris=20 XIZ

From: Graham=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To= :=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent:= Monday, 4 May, 2009=20 21:31:37
Subject: Re: LF:= Field=20 Strength Meter - advice needed

Chris

Its not the battery is it ... assume=20 the supply voltage / regulated voltage is holding =20 constant ?

G ..

From: C= hris Osborn=20

Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:23 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

Thanks again Dave and Alan,

I've spent a few more hours on the F= /S=20 meter today and still have not found the problem.
I can blow with a drink= ing=20 straw on any component and= =20 there's very little
output change yet with time there's a slow drift with= =20 temperature - the output goes up
with increased temperature.

I tho= ught=20 I'd found the problem as by squeezing the ferrite rod 's screening tube
I= =20 could get a fair change in the output (about 10 %).
The tube's metal is n= ot=20 aluminium but I guess an aluminium alloy.
In any case I changed it for a=20 proper aluminium tube - no difference !

From the shack's temperature=20 of 23 degrees and taking the F/S meter outside to an ambient
13=20 degrees the meter's output changed from 0.48 volts to 0.35 volts=20 !!

I have run out of ideas now and am thinking maybe it's even the=20 permeability of the die cast box
that's changing or maybe the perspex end= =20 caps of the ferrite rod. . . . I'm getting desperate !

73 Chris=20 G3XIZ

From: Dave Pick=20 <daveyxm@googlemail.com>
To:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent:= Monday, 4 May, 2009=20 16:10:26
Subject: Re: LF:= Field=20 Strength Meter - advice needed

Chris

Have you tried a c= an=20 of "freezer" spray to identify where the problem lies? Is it the ferrite aer= ial=20 or is it the FET amplifier? If you have enough gain then a little negative=20 feedback on the FET stage may help, add some un-decoupled source=20 resistor.

Dave 'YXM

2009/5/3 Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>

LF,

I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF=20 Experimenters' Handbook),
modified for use on the 500 kHz band.

= I've=20 followed the published circuit as near as possible considering available=20 components,
the differences being:
a) I have used a small variable=20 capacitor instead of the published varicaps.
b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in= the=20 front end instead of dual gate mosfets.
c) Obviously I now use the MW c= oil=20 of the ferrite rod instead of the published LW coil.

I have made a=20 decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet the
fiel= d=20 strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and can v= ary=20 up to
30 %.

I would be most grateful for any advice on curing th= is=20 problem as I've spent hours trying
to correct it.

73 Chris=20 G3XIZ

--
G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

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------=_NextPart_000_0116_01C9CD14.5F689820-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db05.mx.aol.com (rly-db05.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.80]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB074-ac84a11ba7725; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:43:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB056-ac84a11ba7725; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:43:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M68je-0001Ja-Ea for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M68je-0001JR-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:54 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr13.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.131]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M68jb-0004r7-Qk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:53 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-158-34-1.range86-158.btcentralplus.com [86.158.34.1]) by c2bthomr13.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DBS07441; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:46 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A11BA3B.3080006@btconnect.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:51 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr13.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0201.4A11BA36.00B4,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Beacon - 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I heard someone beaconing on 501.1kHz at 2030 local tonight. Just too weak to make out the call. Got "test" and QSK before they stopped. My beacon is on 501.8 now. Any recommended transverter designs for LF? 73 Richard G3CWI - From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB071-acb4a089f5ad9; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:57:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB061-acb4a089f5ad9; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:57:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dUp-00075T-Kk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:57:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M3dUp-00075K-5k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:57:15 +0100 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M3dUm-0006ls-RB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:57:15 +0100 thread-index: AcnSg2yrYzUTmOu1Q92i7Efx60Xl/Q== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 Received: from radiorummet ([87.227.51.55]) by uvtcmail.se with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 2009 22:57:05 +0100 Message-ID: <70D21345D07D4133A2ADFD6BD3CB3CC3@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: <92F8AFE472114445AE9BC167D9F68722@radiorummet> <6D1C191EA94A411EBE76070137DF884E@AGB> In-Reply-To: <6D1C191EA94A411EBE76070137DF884E@AGB> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:57:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C9D294.2EBD4B00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C9D294.2EBD4B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, FB report, thank's info! Are your antenna tuned to qrg ? Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:51 PM Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon Gus, Good signal , 5/9 & 599 , just on the 38 ft vertical and the ft897-d no= atu=20 73 Graham G0NBD IO83LK From: Gus=20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon Dear LF group, I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5 kHz USB. Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW id include.... Reports are wellcome. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09= 07:02:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C9D294.2EBD4B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham,

FB report, thank's=20 info!

Are your antenna tuned to qrg=20 ?

Gus

----- Original Message -----

Graham

To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:51 PM=

Subject: Re: LF: SSB-Beacon

Gus,

Good signal , 5/9 & 599   ,= just on=20 the 38 ft vertical and the ft897-d no atu

73 Graham

G0NBD

IO83LK

From: Gus

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Subject: LF: SSB-Beacon

Dear LF group,

I test a SSB beacon this evening on 505,5=20= kHz=20 USB.

Power is abt 1W ERP and there is also a CW= id=20 include....

Reports are wellcome.=

73 de Gus SM6BHZ

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Hi Warren,Lf

nice capture XGJ

Henny pa3cpm

best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 19-05.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C9D547.95FB2BB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (rly-mf08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.178]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF073-9794a00b4368f; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:53:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF087-9794a00b4368f; Tue, 05 May 2009 17:48:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1SUQ-00044b-9s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:47:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1SUP-00044S-O6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:47:49 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1SUO-00031M-EK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:47:49 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6C87B8051 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 23:47:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB8131E702 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 23:47:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A646A5BDD; Tue, 5 May 2009 23:47:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (240.71-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.65.71.240]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 23:47:05 +0200 Message-ID: <20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 23:47:05 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.65.71.240 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gerhard, I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) 73, Rik Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > > > Hello Rik, > > I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one mor= e > chance for decoding.... > > Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Hello Gerhard, > > thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : > >> >> Hello Rik, >> >> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >> >> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >> and listen inbetween. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >> >>> Hello Gary, LF, >>> >>> I just had a first transmission. >>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer transmissions. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>> >>>> OK Rik, >>>> >>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to monitor= , >> I >>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the info. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Gary, LF, >>>> >>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>> The way I did it: >>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to FIR >> BPF >>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click "OK" >>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>> do that in the main screen. >>>> >>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>> >>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>> >>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>> >>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >> needs >>>> to >>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got the >>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>> >>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your spec. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us usin= g >>>> 85Hz. >>>>>> >>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better decode >>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>> >>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the color= s >>>>>> and options. >>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. 100Hz >>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>> locator >>>>>>> :- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 at >>>> 21UTC >>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD052-9184a0da2c6220; Fri, 15 May 2009 13:14:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD078-9184a0da2c6220; Fri, 15 May 2009 13:13:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M50xf-0007xD-Iu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:12:43 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M50xf-0007x4-5W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:12:43 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M50xd-0003jX-2O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 18:12:43 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUEAMc+DUpZ8IaW/2dsb2JhbACET8w0gkKBPwU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.134.150]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 18:11:33 +0100 Message-ID: <005301c9d580$32b8ecc0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A0D91E3.9040602@btconnect.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:11:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Aerial current Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Richard. A couple of basic points. Check the TX output into a 50 ohm DL via a SWR meter to verify a match, and if necessary check rf current. Resonate the antenna to the reqd freq and with your atu match it to50 ohms. If both are spot on then you have achieved the object, at least you have a bench mark. If coax is suspect check it also. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: LF: Aerial current > After my success in getting more current into the aerial yesterday I > decided to measure the RF current in the link (link coupled ATU) with a > proper RF ammeter. I was somewhat surprised that the current pinned my 1 > Amp RF meter. How can that be? I can think of some possible reasons: > > 1) The meter is wrong (it must be nearly 70 years old) > 2) The impedance is not 50 Ohms which is odd because I assume the TX is > designed to have a 50 Ohm output and I carefully adjusted the link for > maximum power transfer last night). > 3) The transmitter is giving out far more power than expected (seems > unlikely). > > Any ideas? > > Incidentally, am I best to measure current in the link or in the aerail > wire? > > 73 > > Richard > > PS - beacon on again 501.6kHz. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.30/2115 - Release Date: 05/14/09 17:54:00