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Hi Gary & LF
=C2=A0
HNY PAT rst 599 (slow qsb) here in IO91UX nr Hitchin North Herts (UK) at 23:=
10hrs 31/12/2008=C2=A0.
=C2=A0
And a Happy New Year to all LF from M0FMT.
=C2=A0
73 Petefmt

--- On Wed, 31/12/08, Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

From: Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: LF: beacon 499.3KHz
To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 8:53 PM








Hi LF,
=C2=A0
A beacon is operating at about 499.30KHz sending :-
=C2=A0
HNY PAT
=C2=A0
And quite strong here. See attachment
=C2=A0
73,
=C2=A0
Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
=C2=A0


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op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Hi Gary &amp; LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>HNY PAT rst 599 (slow qsb) here in IO91UX nr Hitchin North Herts (UK) a=
t 23:10hrs 31/12/2008&nbsp;.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4>And a Happy New Year to all LF from M0FMT</F=
ONT></EM></STRONG>.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 Petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 31/12/08, Gary - G4WGT <I>&lt;g4wgt@ti=
scali.co.uk&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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6,16,255) 2px solid">From: Gary - G4WGT &lt;g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk&gt;<BR>Subje=
ct: LF: beacon 499.3KHz<BR>To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIG=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIG=
HT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A beacon is operating at abou=
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Dear Pete, Gary, LF Group,

"PAT" is strong here too - the loop says he is on a NW-SE bearing from 
Hertfordshire. I can also hear GW4HXO and GI4DPE.

Best wishes to all for 2009,

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Dave,

Thanks for the report, Tx about 270 watts antenna about 900mW ERP.

Gary - G4wgt.

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Gary,=20

Your QRSS signal is clearly audible here at RST559.

Also audible are G3KEV QRSS and GW3UEP CW signals

73, Dave G3WWCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: RE: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


Andy,

>>>>>>>> Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS would co-exist inside the tone spread.

I am just about to do that.

Gary - G4WGT.


-----Original Message-----
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eep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
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NING NOW - 1615 HRS

I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.

So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co=
m>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>
>> OLIVIA :
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>> 8
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>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>
>>
>> MFSK8
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=C2=BD=C3=B9I t$   : nNe t  lro&"t l=C3=96
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=C2=A7]xaV=C2=B0N~u=C3=87 pAbd  g0nbd
>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =C2=ADiefo&
>> kD kk e e0enm o=C2=A7 HbecOgh=C3=89o  eno fsewtit,es m=C3=8Cx=C2=AAoitn '=
Xei eaer=C3=BEii
>> lscktleea it=C2=A5 nd=C2=B7WmoEi=C2=ADxirwn mdW=C3=A3=C2=A6 7euc eg%oa lo=
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m)mL   io 4Eek a
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>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=C3=A2pg H Jant0n9=C2=A8j=C2=
=B7eoet n
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>> a=C2=B1 rotet a=C3=9C Foe2_vl=C2=A7ms=C3=AD t=C3=8Ck  t=3D l=C3=85 edCQ C=
Q CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =C2=AB=C3=B2ee
>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>
>>
>>
>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>
>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
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Jay,

first traces at 2132Z, first decode at 2144Z.
Seems it took your signal about 20 minutes to travel 1000km more south

What power - antenna - ERP are you running ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting jrusgrove@comcast.net:

> John
>
> See your first reception at 2122Z at -28 show up on the WSPR database a
> few minutes ago. That's 44 minutes before our sunset. Nice!
>
> Jay  W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:35:48 -0500
>> <jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> John, Rik and group
>>>
>>> Confirming that WE2XGR/2 TX is up and WSPRing. Will continue
>>> transmissions until at least 0000Z and probably beyond.
>>
>>
>> 1st decode at 21:22 -28dB
>>
>> Some faint traces visible on prior periods.
>>
>> Looking good for the rest of the evening,
>>
>> John
>>



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Dear Vernon, LF Group,

I closed the beacon down at 0108utc.

Thanks for your interest - will try for a longer overnight session over the 
next few days - but I really do need to do something about the antenna guy 
ropes here first!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: LF: 136K WSPR Monitoring


> Have set up to monitor 136K WSPR using 1200' longwire orientated E/W here 
> in FN85ki Nova Scotia Canada.
>
> Will leave it on for a few days...not sure if reception is possible...you 
> just never know :-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Vernon - VE1VDM
> Greenfield NS
> Canada
>
> 



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OK Jim same version, i dont understand why i cant decode  Uwe.
Wait and see.
 
 
F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010

_http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/) 

 
 
Dear LF group,

Also using WSPR 1.01 beacon software here - 100%  decodes so far...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


 
 

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mal hamilton wrote:

> Radio amateurs are at a disatvantage at present but could handle it, but appliance operators NO.
> G3KEV

A (very)small sample of the gear I look after, day to day.


http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/bressaymux1.jpg
http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/bressayrbstest.jpg
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Does this qualify me as a radio amateur or an appliance operator?


J



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Jean-Pierre and Victor,

Thank-you very much for the spectra of last night.  Your
receivers are working well and my aerial work has
not been in vain!

73
Joe


On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote:

> Hello Joe ,
> Very good copy of your QRP beacon  last night .
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>

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Hello LF,

G0NBD has been received at up to -5dB here, on 503.637, yet no sign of
a spot from anyone else on WSPRNET.

I wonder if it's because we're all on different dial frequencies?

Due to Gary using 503.600 RF I decided to shif up in dial freq to
502.100, which puts him in the centre of the 200Hz WSPR window, rather
than right at the top, had I stayed on 502.000

This of cource means anyone using 502.000 won't see the transmission
from G0NBD.

Can we decide on a dial QRG?

I am going off island first thing in the morning, returning TUesday
evening, so I'll leave the WSPR setup running. Does anyone have a
preferrence for which band would be most useful to watch for my
reported spots?

I'll set up for either 500 or 137 according to the requests I get in
the next hour or so.

Cheers,

John


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Yes Dave sad abt Merv.
QRG 502.57 Khz qrs 3 but can speed up to CW speed when appropriate.
I will also monitor Jay's freq 508.51 khz and 7033 khz. I have a 1 ele quad=20=
on 7 mhz.
Hpe hr fm u later de mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: dave.riley3=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:03 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Howdy Mal,

  On tonight @ 22Z do you mean 502.51 or .57??

  Yes, Merv and I went through 10ghz and laser home brew together and had go=
od QSOs on each band, 10.368ghz. and 474thz.

  I was very surprized to hear of his passing...  Good man...

  As far as 2X QSO, I will be put in to the penalty box if I break the rules=
, but we could exchange 'captures' on 7033 afterwards??

  Too many rules and not enuf real work...  Scribes and Pharisees, they're e=
verywhere!!!

  Let me know, will be all eyes...

  Dave, WD2XSH/17, the little erp who can...






    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:31 PM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Dave=20
    I did not realise that you knew Merv/NC1K and engaged in cloud lazer exp=
eriments. I have know Merv for years and knew him since his G3PXB days.
    We both worked together around 1964 before he emigrated to the USA.
    He was over here a few years ago and I saw him then. Unfortunately I got=
 the news about his departure just recently.
    73 and hpe to hear from u agn and look out for me tonite on 502.51 khz s=
tarting at 2200 utc approx.
    Mal/g3kev/Scarborough

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: dave.riley3=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09 AM
      Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


      Mal,

      Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

      http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


      73s from Dave




      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: mal hamilton=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
      Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


      Jay
      Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and=
 agn 2214 utc
      It looks ok so far.
      mal
      g3kev


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes Dave sad abt Merv.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>QRG 502.57 Khz qrs 3 but can speed up to CW=
 speed=20
when appropriate.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will also monitor Jay's freq 508.51 khz a=
nd 7033=20
khz. I have a 1 ele quad on 7 mhz.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hpe hr fm u later de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Ddave.riley3@verizon.net     href=3D"mailto:dave.riley3@verizon.=
net">dave.riley3</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:03=
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  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re=
: Re:=20
  MF CONDX</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Howdy Mal,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>On tonight @ 22Z do you mean 502.51 or=20
  .57??</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Yes, Merv and I went through 10ghz and laser h=
ome=20
  brew&nbsp;together and had good QSOs on each band, 10.368ghz. and=20
  474thz.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>I was very surprized to hear of his passing...=
&nbsp;=20
  Good man...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>As far as 2X QSO, I will be put in to the pena=
lty=20
  box if I break the rules, but we could exchange 'captures' on 7033=20
  afterwards??</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Too many rules and not enuf real work...&nbsp;=
=20
  Scribes and Pharisees, they're everywhere!!!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Let me know, will be all=20
  eyes...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Dave, WD2XSH/17,&nbsp;the little erp who=20
  can...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV       style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: b=
lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">m=
al=20
    hamilton</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 12=
:31=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:=20=
Re: MF=20
    CONDX</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I did not realise that you knew Merv/NC=
1K and=20
    engaged in cloud lazer experiments. I have know Merv for years and knew=20=
him=20
    since his G3PXB days.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We both worked together around 1964 bef=
ore he=20
    emigrated to the USA.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He was over here a few years ago and I=20=
saw him=20
    then. Unfortunately I got the news about his departure just=20
    recently.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 and hpe to hear from u agn and look=20=
out for=20
    me tonite on 502.51 khz starting at 2200 utc approx.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal/g3kev/Scarborough</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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      <A title=3Ddave.riley3@verizon.net         href=3D"mailto:dave.riley3@=
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A         title=3Drsgb_lf_=
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      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp=
; <A         href=3D"http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg">http://www.radiocom.n=
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Dear Graham, LF Group,

I have just downloaded MultiPSK, and am quite impressed to be getting nearly 
100% copy, in spite of your signal being only just audible, and having 
G3KEV's very strong CQ calls just on the edge of your bandwidth. Should be 
ready to try for a QSO in a short while, if you like.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq


> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
> centre frequency  503 khz
> tx mode usb
> power 30 watts tune signal
> Will send for next few hours
> Reports welcome
>
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Jay,

I will retune my RX from 502.4 to 507.0 dial freq at about 2200Z.
Spots will be uploaded and appear at:
http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=&sort=date
It  be on all night.

Chris, G3XVL


2009/1/27 <jrusgrove@comcast.net>

> WE2XGR/2 will be transmitting in WSPR mode tonight starting 2200Z on a dial
> frequency of 507.000 kHz.
>
> Reports are appreciated.
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>
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Jay,<br><br>I will retune my RX from 502.4 to 507.0 dial freq at about 2200Z=
.<br>Spots will be uploaded and appear at:<br><a href=3D"http://wsprnet.org/=
meptspots.php?mode=3Dhtml&amp;band=3D2190&amp;limit=3D50&amp;findcall=3D&amp=
;findreporter=3D&amp;sort=3Ddate">http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=3Dht=
ml&amp;band=3D2190&amp;limit=3D50&amp;findcall=3D&amp;findreporter=3D&amp;so=
rt=3Ddate</a><br>
It&nbsp; be on all night.<br><br>Chris, G3XVL <br>&nbsp;<br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">2009/1/27  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jrusgrov=
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WE2XGR/2 will be transmitting in WSPR mode tonight starting 2200Z on a dial=20=
frequency of 507.000 kHz.<br>
<br>
Reports are appreciated.<br>
<br>
Jay W1VD &nbsp;WD2XNS &nbsp;WE2XGR/2 <br>
<br>
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Hi Jay,

 

Well OK then, first UK Olivia QSO!!!!!

 

73

 

Gary.

 

  _____  

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Subject: LF: Re: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???

 

WE2XGR/2 and WE2XGR/3 have QSOed in this mode on 500 kHz...and just about
all other modes as well...

 

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 

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To: LF <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>  -RSGB LF Group 

Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 4:23 PM

Subject: LF: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???

 

Hi LF,

 

Is this the first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??

 

 

CQ CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk

 

CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nb

 

m0bmu ... ok jim  uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu 

 

copy ok ???  how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham good
copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out the software
still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0nbd

 

ok dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker !  

 

fine copy 100%  what is your peak power o/p ????

 

nice to  work you for the first time .. 

hr running   30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti  pa block ..
multipsk ..

 

ae  35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config

 

ok ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still good copy
when ur sig barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long inv
L antenna from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP should
be close to 1W BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd

 

ok jim fine .. well all 100%  even in a deep qsb dip your signal fell under
the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode ..hihi/..  i
used  250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a good copy under qsb ..
better than psk ..

 

your signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking on spec-lab
and can only see same as my ouit going .......

 

ok .. well  fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti  pa .. im
keeping 

power down hihi

btu jim ???

 

g0ndb de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had had a nasty
accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but mostly
OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude
modulation in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things a
bit simpler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500hz
bandwidth variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many
complaints about bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd

 m0bmu .. de g0nbd 

 

ok fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx button and
the tx stopped hihi 

 

well this was a quick test to  see if this mode printed better over the
noise ...looks to  work very well  

 

could   change mode ?   8 x 250  that would give a good test ,  reduce to
8 x 250   8 x 250 ???

 

bkbkbkbk

 

ok graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8 x 50 mode
now - pse qrx...ok  changing to  8 x 250

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Hi Jay,<=
o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Well OK
then, first <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">UK</st1:p=
lace></st1:country-region>
Olivia QSO!!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>73<o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Gary.<o:=
p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
t></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or=
g] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>jrusgrove@com=
cast.net<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 02 January 2009 21:44<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: Re: 500KHz first
Olivia QSO ???</span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>WE2XGR/2 and WE2XGR/3 have QSOed in this mode on 50=
0
kHz...and just about all other modes as well...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp; WE2XGR/2</span></font>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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ttom:5.0pt'>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=3D2 face=3DA=
rial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Fro=
m:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk" title=3D"g4wg=
t@tiscali.co.uk">Gary - G4WGT</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=
=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org">LF
-RSGB LF Group</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font si=
ze=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Frid=
ay, January
02, 2009 4:23 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font=
 size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> L=
F: 500KHz first
Olivia QSO ???<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Hi LF,<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Is this the first Olivia QSO on=
 500KHz??<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>CQ CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>CQ CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:Cit=
y> <st1:State  w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nb=
sp; g0nbd&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>&nbsp;CQ CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</s=
t1:City> <st1:State  w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0=
nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>&nbsp;CQ CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</s=
t1:City> <st1:State  w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nb<o:p></o:p=
></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>m0bmu ... ok jim&nbsp; uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bm=
u <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>copy ok ???&nbsp; how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m=
0bmu ok
Graham good copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out t=
he
software still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>ok dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker !&n=
bsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>fine copy 100%&nbsp; what is your peak power o/p ????<o:p></o:=
p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>nice to&nbsp; work you for the first time .. <o:p></o:p></span=
></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>hr running&nbsp;&nbsp; 30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with ska=
nti&nbsp;
pa block .. multipsk ..<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>ae&nbsp; 35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>ok ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but sti=
ll good
copy when <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">ur</st1:City></st1:pl=
ace>
sig barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long inv L antenn=
a
from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP should be close to=
 1W
BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>ok jim fine .. well all 100%&nbsp; even in a deep qsb dip your=
 signal fell
under the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode
..hihi/..&nbsp; i used&nbsp; 250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a good
copy under qsb .. better than psk ..<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>your signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looki=
ng on
spec-lab and can only see same as my ouit going .......<o:p></o:p></span></f=
ont></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>ok .. well&nbsp; fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my
skanti&nbsp; pa .. im keeping <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>power down hihi<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>btu jim ???<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>g0ndb de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had=
 had a
nasty accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but
mostly OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude
modulation in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things a b=
it
simpler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500hz bandwi=
dth
variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many complaints about
bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>&nbsp;m0bmu .. de g0nbd <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>ok fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the=
 rx button
and the tx stopped hihi <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>well this was a quick test to&nbsp; see if this mode printed b=
etter over
the noise ...looks to&nbsp; work very well&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></=
b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>could&nbsp;&nbsp; change mode ?&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250&nbsp; that=
 would give
a good test ,&nbsp; reduce to&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250=20=
???<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>bkbkbkbk<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
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<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>ok graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over t=
o 8 x 50
mode now - pse qrx...ok&nbsp; changing to&nbsp; 8 x 250</span></font></b><b>=
<font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

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></p>

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ont-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.</span></font></b>=
</strong><o:p></o:p></p>

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I suspected so but had to ask LOL!!!! 

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Dear Jay, Vernon, LF Group,

Jay - Thanks for looking -  I can see that could be the problem!

The WSPR signal has a bandwidth of around 6Hz, so the problem is finding
that much of a gap between lines. E.g. with the Northeastern USA chain with
9960 GRI, lines should appear every 5.02Hz roughly, although I expect some
will probably be stronger than others. Can you look with Argo on a wider
setting to see if there are any 6Hz wide spaces, or at least areas where the
lines are weaker?

Vernon - I'm afraid "SCP/LN8PHG" probably isn't a genuine signal, but WSPR
producing a false decode - this is fairly common when narrow-band QRM is
present, although only occurs rarely when just the band noise is present. 
Because of the way WSPR encodes/decodes, it will usually try to format any
"gobbledygook" as a legitimate message with callsigns, reports, etc. You can
usually tell by the outlandish callsigns and locators. A pity really,
otherwise they would be pretty impressive DX!

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LF,

Well almost !!!!

Gary - G4WGT.

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Andy,

>>>>>>>> Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS would co-exist inside the tone spread.

I am just about to do that.

Gary - G4WGT.


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NING NOW - 1615 HRS

I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.

So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co=
m>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>
>> OLIVIA :
>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<Uq
>> 8
>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>> gnbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>
>>
>> MFSK8
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=C2=BAo
>> a I=C2=A4narLx=C3=BDikc igq'<anel6
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ccon  t"tciu
>> tt=C2=A3h,iFtI=C2=BCv lre=C2=A6eek=C3=BAn =E2=82=ACi z=C3=A0=C3=82UP nve=20=
=C2=BD=C3=B9I t$   : nNe t  lro&"t l=C3=96
>> e=C2=B7=C3=B7RenuIoqemfep ,=C2=A4esss=C2=ADfer tt=C3=AA oequea8  =C2=A4d=
=C2=A7]xaV=C2=B0N~u=C3=87 pAbd  g0nbd
>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =C2=ADiefo&
>> kD kk e e0enm o=C2=A7 HbecOgh=C3=89o  eno fsewtit,es m=C3=8Cx=C2=AAoitn '=
Xei eaer=C3=BEii
>> lscktleea it=C2=A5 nd=C2=B7WmoEi=C2=ADxirwn mdW=C3=A3=C2=A6 7euc eg%oa lo=
Pttst   CQ CQ CQ
>> DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk rBt=C3=B28e=C3=A6 t=C2=B6=C2=ADknm=
m)mL   io 4Eek a
>> oiiqa  o zt eoun cKldd=C3=B98 =C2=B0o9aZnz=C3=A5ee  1  =C2=B9tlTtii0q=3Di=
 ielsaa nu 0 mPn=C3=BA=C3=BFK
>> =C2=B3S=C2=A2 iwX=C3=A4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=C3=A2pg H Jant0n9=C2=A8j=C2=
=B7eoet n
>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=C3=B4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=C2=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>> a=C2=B1 rotet a=C3=9C Foe2_vl=C2=A7ms=C3=AD t=C3=8Ck  t=3D l=C3=85 edCQ C=
Q CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =C2=AB=C3=B2ee
>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>
>>
>>
>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>
>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>
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More ABUSE about a person who asked a simple question about how those during=
 WW2 managed to improvise and build a simple xtal set to receive allied news=
 transmissions and German transmissions getting their news.Apart from the te=
chnicalities and innovation think of the moral aspect. If caught one could b=
e exterminated. =20
Please act like a Gentleman and let us have your opinion. What would you do.

g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: GandalfG8@aol.com=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:46 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


  In a message dated 07/01/2009 17:00:47 GMT Standard Time, g3kevmal@talktal=
k.net writes:
    This is a simple exercise and NO ONE knows how to do it, plenty of comme=
nts=20
    and deviations.
    An analogy

    1. Some HI TECH RAF pilots asked to fly a WW2 SPITFIRE and found it=20
    difficult and performed badly, needed training and tuition.

    2. Hi Performance students A + in their subjects could not pass a 1960 G=
CE=20
    paper in maths and english.

    These were recent UK TV productions.

    RF engineers and improvisers  are scarce it would appear both old and ne=
w.=20
    Digital and DC are abundant.

    Take away the Internet source, Maplins and Farnell and the electronics w=
orld=20
    would collapse.

  ----------

  It obviously hasn't occured to you that it's probably not so much that nob=
ody knows but that nobody CARES.

  In an effort to justify your moronic insistence that everyone should stick=
 to CW, because that's all that interests YOU, you set some meaningless task=
 that proves nothing.

  I don't hear too many people on the list telling you what you should be do=
ing, but hear far too many of your biased opinions as to how others should c=
onduct themselves.

  Would you please, just for a little while please, ever so nicely please, j=
ust stick your head back up your rear orifice where it belongs, so that all=20=
the crap you spout might be kept where the rest of us can't hear it.


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<DIV>More ABUSE about a person&nbsp;who asked a simple question about how th=
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<DIV>g3kev</DIV>
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  <DIV>In a message dated 07/01/2009 17:00:47 GMT Standard Time, <A     href=
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 and=20
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al=20
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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ss=20
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be=20
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Would you please, just for a&nbsp;little while&nbsp;please,&nbsp;ever=
 so=20
  nicely please, just stick your head back up your rear orifice where it=20
  belongs, so that all the&nbsp;crap you spout might be kept where&nbsp;the=20=
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James Moritz wrote:
> Eventually, I realised that the
> difference was that your transmissions are a few seconds shorter than
> the locally generated signals


Dear Jim, LF,

that is a clear evidence of a soundcard sampling rate error. I am quite sure
that all timing in the WSPR software is derived from the sampling frequency and,
if memory serves me, the WSPR program uses a sampling rate of 12kHz. If the
soundcard does not support this rate and/or has a "physical" sampling rate that
is not a multiple of 12kHz (for example 44.1 kHz), then the driver or window$
will kick in a "resampler" between the soundcard and the WSPR application which
is asking for 12kHz. Many such resamplers are known to be inaccurate...

73
Johan SM6LKM


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uwe-jannsen@versanet.de wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> dj8wx is xmitting at 135,975kHz in WSPR mode, pwr abt 50mWERP.
> RX dial 134,475kHz (USB).

No traces of your signal, but another one showed up, about 80 Hz lower...

2240 -21  1.8   0.135896 -1 TM0ILH JN07 40

73  Alberto  I2PHD



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Hello Uwe, could you increase your power for just one test,  HBG 22 is too=20
strong.
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F4DTL Nicolas.
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Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 09/01/2009 20:55:13 Paris, Madrid, =20
uwe-jannsen@versanet.de a =E9crit :

Hi  all,
dj8wx is xmitting at 135,975kHz in WSPR mode, pwr abt 50mWERP.
RX  dial 134,475kHz  (USB).

regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv





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Pete and co
You are wandering away from the subject. My question was not on the merits o=
f detectors etc, simply how to build a razor blade detector and suitable ear=
phone using scrap parts available in a trench or Jail, for instance in 1940
I have all the answers if you get stuck and I did not get it from an interne=
t source. Its fundamental knowledge that a radio amateur should know and esp=
ecially if the BIG BANG should happen
g3kev
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  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: M0FMT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:35 AM
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?


         Hi Rik and LF

        But that's the point,  an envelope detector will not detect CW (ON /=
 OFF Keying) unless A/ you have a local oscillator (DC rx) to create a beat=20=
in the detector, added complication in design or B/ unless the carrier has g=
ot noise on it (sparker) or it is modulated, added bandwidth for no extra in=
telligence.

        If we go away from a simple detector RX and add amplification to an=20=
envelope detector the recovered DC from a CW signal could be used to operate=
 a switch to activate a Buzzer, light or side tone oscillator but I don't th=
ink thats in the spirit of the spirit of the challenge.

        However a Coherer detector does everything for CW in one simple easy=
 to construct mechanical device with no fiddling with cats whiskers or the r=
isk of cutting a vital artery with a sharp razor blade! And no need for high=
 impedance cans.

        I rest my case for the Coherer detector.I think Edouard Branly and O=
liver Lodge got it dead right!

        The challenge is to make a QSO using the Razor Blade RX I am working=
 on it. But a counter Challenge is to use a Coherer for a two way QSO, I am=20=
working on that also. However it's very cold in my garage right now so don't=
 expect a result from me soon but better setup ops may have a result sooner.

        Regards 73 petefmt

        --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> wrote:

          From: Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
          Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?
          To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
          Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 8:11 AM


          MCW: what a waste of bandwidth, Mal will allert OFCOM !

          73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

          At 00:42 7/01/2009, you wrote:

             No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz.

            73 DJ1ZB


             "M0FMT" <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb:=20

              Hi Mal and LF



              I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope dete=
ctor. A true CW man, I would have thought, should only entertain the use of=20=
a Cohere detector!



              Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work ov=
er a range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work=20=
over a much lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.



              http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm



              73 pefmt







              --- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote=
:

                From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>

                Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

                To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

                Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM


                Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not i=
nfo from the web.

                g3kev



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                  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

                  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM

                  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


                  310113517964   E bay too



                  On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal=
@talktalk.net> writes:

                    Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a whil=
e back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportu=
nity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was used successfully=
  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.

                    Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is=20=
applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these=
 bands.

                    Build one and have a QSO using this RX

                    g3kev









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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pete and co</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You are wandering away from the subject. My=
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question was not on the merits of detectors etc, simply how to build a razor=
=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I&nbsp;have all the answers if you get stuc=
k and I=20
did not get it&nbsp;from an internet source.&nbsp;Its&nbsp;fundamental knowl=
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that a radio amateur should know and&nbsp;especially if the BIG BANG=20
should&nbsp;happen</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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        <DIV>&nbsp;Hi Rik and LF</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>But that's the point, &nbsp;an envelope detector will not detec=
t CW=20
        (ON / OFF Keying) unless A/ you have a local oscillator (DC rx) to=20
        create a beat in the detector, added complication in design or B/ un=
less=20
        the carrier has got noise on it (sparker) or it is modulated, added=20
        bandwidth for no extra intelligence.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>If we go away from a simple detector RX and add amplification t=
o an=20
        envelope detector the recovered DC from a CW signal could be used to=
=20
        operate a switch to activate a Buzzer, light or side tone oscillator=
=20
        but&nbsp;I don't think thats in the spirit of the spirit of the=20
        challenge.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>However a Coherer detector does everything for CW in one simple=
=20
        easy to construct mechanical device with no fiddling with cats whisk=
ers=20
        or the risk of cutting a vital artery with a sharp razor blade! And=20=
no=20
        need for high impedance cans.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>I rest my case for the Coherer detector.I think <SPAN lang=3DEN=
           style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-themecolor: text1; mso-ansi-language:=20=
EN"><A           title=3D"Edouard Branly"           href=3D"http://en.wikipe=
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      lang=3DEN           style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-themecolor: text1; mso-=
ansi-language: EN"><A           title=3D"Oliver Lodge"           href=3D"htt=
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k; TEXT-DECORATION: none; mso-themecolor: text1; text-underline: none"><FONT=
           face=3DCalibri size=3D3>Oliver Lodge</FONT></SPAN></A>&nbsp;got i=
t dead=20
        right!</SPAN><SPAN           style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-themecolor:=20=
text1"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>The challenge is to make a QSO using the Razor Blade RX I am=20
        working on it. But a counter Challenge is to use a Coherer for a two=
 way=20
        QSO, I am working on that also. However it's very cold in my garage=20
        right now so don't expect a result from me soon but better setup ops=
 may=20
        have a result sooner.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Regards 73 petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 7/1/09, Rik=20
        <SPAN>Strobbe</SPAN> <I>&lt;rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;</I></B>=20
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BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:=20
          Rik Strobbe &lt;rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF=
:=20
          Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?<BR>To:=20
          rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009,=20=
8:11=20
          AM<BR><BR>
          <DIV id=3Dyiv1200408088>MCW: what a waste of bandwidth, Mal will a=
llert=20
          OFCOM !<BR><BR>73, Rik&nbsp; ON7YD - OR7T<BR><BR>At 00:42 7/01/200=
9,=20
          you wrote:<BR>
          <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">&nbsp;No problem!=
 Use=20
            MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz.<BR><BR>73=20
            DJ1ZB<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;"M0FMT" &lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt; schrieb=
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            <BR>
            <DL>
              <DD>Hi Mal and LF<BR>
              <DD><BR>&nbsp;
              <DD>I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope=20
              detector. A true CW man, I would have thought, should only=20
              entertain the use of a Cohere detector!<BR>
              <DD><BR>&nbsp;
              <DD>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they wor=
k=20
              over a range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P=
)=20
              probably work over a much lager range of frequencies but not=20
              tested by me.<BR>
              <DD><BR>&nbsp;
              <DD><A href=3D"http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm" =20=
               target=3D_blank                 rel=3Dnofollow>http://home.ea=
rthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm</A><BR>
              <DD><BR>&nbsp;
              <DD>73 pefmt<BR><BR><BR>
              <DD><BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;
              <DD>--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net=
&gt;=20
              wrote:<BR>
              <DL>
                <DD>From: mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>
                <DD>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR>
                <DD>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>
                <DD>Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM<BR><BR>
                <DD><FONT size=3D2>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone=20
                construction. Not info from the web.<BR>
                <DD>g3kev<BR></FONT>
                <DD><BR>
                <DL>
                  <DD>----- Original Message ----- <BR>
                  <DD>From: <A href=3D"mailto:riese-k3djc@juno.com" target=
=3D_blank                     rel=3Dnofollow>riese-k3djc@juno.com</A> <BR>
                  <DD>To: <A href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"  =20=
                  target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or=
g</A>=20
                  <BR>
                  <DD>Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM<BR>
                  <DD>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR><BR>
                  <DD>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too<BR>
                  <DD><BR>&nbsp;
                  <DD>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" &lt;<=
A                     href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net" target=3D_blank=20=
                    rel=3Dnofollow>g3kevmal@talktalk.net</A>&gt; writes:<BR>
                  <DL>
                    <DD><FONT size=3D2>Since I mentioned a Razor blade and f=
ence=20
                    wire RX a while back I have had several requests for a=20
                    circuit. To give others the opportunity to submit a cct=20=
I=20
                    will await replies. This method was used successfully&nb=
sp;=20
                    at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.=
<BR>
                    <DD>Let us know how you would approach the subject. This=
 is=20
                    applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time wer=
e=20
                    receicved on these bands.<BR>
                    <DD>Build one and have a QSO using this RX<BR>
                    <DD>g3kev<BR></FONT>
                    <DD><BR>&nbsp;
                    <DD><BR><BR>&nbsp;</DD></DL><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>
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                  <HR>
                  <BR>
                  <DD>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>
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Jim

Was curious why I haven't been able to receive your WSPR signals on 136 kHz ... guess I should have 
looked at this sooner...

A quick look with Argo pointed out the problem - see attachment below. You may want to 'bump' your 
dial a bit and avoid the following frequencies. One can still report the 'dial frequency' as 136.000 
to keep things simple for the receiving stations and accept the offset on the reports received.

137495.784 5930 - Canadian East Coast
137495.826 5990 - Canadian West Coast
137496.561 7270 - Newfoundland East Coast
137496.984 8290 - North Central U.S.
137497.213 8970 - Great Lakes
137497.399 9610 - South Central U.S.
137497.497 9990 - North Pacific
137500.000 5980 - Russian American
137500.000 7960 - Gulf of Alaska
137500.000 7980 - Southeast U.S.
137500.000 9940 - Western U.S.
137500.000 9960 - Northeast U.S.
137502.503 9990 - North Pacific
137502.601 9610 - South Central U.S.
137502.787 8970 - Great Lakes
137503.016 8290 - North Central U.S.
137503.439 7270 - Newfoundland East Coast
137504.174 5990 - Canadian West Coast
137504.216 5930 - Canadian East Coast
137505.020 9960 - Northeast U.S.
137505.030 9940 - Western U.S.

I'll check out the frequency used by Marcus and report back.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 

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Ok Thanks lee

Ive reduced to  10 watts peak o/p

G ..

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From: "Lee Hudson" <hudsonville@btinternet.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:28 PM
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Subject: LF: RE: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq

>
> Hi Graham,
>
> Receiving your CQ in IO93gx despite some strong QRM.
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Just downloaded fldigi to see if it worked,
> So far 100% copy on each transmission since 22:20z.
>
> 73,
> Lee Hudson
> M0LMH.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
> Sent: 02 January 2009 20:28
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>
> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>
> I have just downloaded MultiPSK, and am quite impressed to be getting 
> nearly
>
> 100% copy, in spite of your signal being only just audible, and having
> G3KEV's very strong CQ calls just on the edge of your bandwidth. Should be
> ready to try for a QSO in a short while, if you like.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:30 PM
> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>
>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>> centre frequency  503 khz
>> tx mode usb
>> power 30 watts tune signal
>> Will send for next few hours
>> Reports welcome
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>



>
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Hello LF,

I find it strange that the number of grabbers active should be used as a
measure of the conditions and activity levels of the LF bands.

Surely died in the wool "real radio amateurs" - who eschew all operation
except manual telegraphy - should care not a jot if anyone has a grabber
online or not?

If this is the "peak season" for DX then grabbers and other
computerized aids should be superfluous, and the keen DX hunters should
be rattling away on their keys having lots of real QSOs, not surfing
the internet looking at online waterfall screens.

It seems to me that those who run grabbers and suchlike can't win, in
the eyes of the "real CW men". 

Those that provide these facilities are generally derided for spoiling
the traditions of aurally received, manually sent, telegraphy with their
computerized appliances. 

When these "appliance operators" apply themselves to other areas of
interest, and leave the LF field bereft of grabbers, they are again
derided for removing a useful tool for the "DX hunting CW man". 

Talk about double standards!

John GM4SLV


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Paul
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Hi all,


For those of you that like to tune the NDB bands from time to time I'd
like to announce that the 2009 edition of the ENDBH & NANDBH handbooks
and CDs is now available.

An info package can be downloaded at

http://www.4shared.com/file/79454639/44c8035b/2009_ndb_info_package.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/88okum

The new ENDBH 2009 contains the data of more than 6300 NDBs on 160+
spiral-bound pages in A4 format and the NANDBH 2009 shows the data of
more than 5800 NDBs on 130+ pages.

The 2009 version of the CD introduces an additional chapter with NDB
data sorted per bearing and direction. The Google Earth compatible NDB
waypoint file has been updated with the latest NDB coordinates so that
you can "visit" NDB locations around the globe. The multimedia
contents of the CD version have been expanded to a total of more than
160 NDB pictures and more than 190 NDB sound clips from around the
world.

In case you're interested in ordering a handbook or CD for other parts
of the world please don't hesitate to ask, I'm able to produce
customized versions for your special needs.

Delivery of the CDs will be via download. In case you still want a
physical copy of the CD please indicate this when ordering.

Prices in Euro remained stable once again and foreign currency prices
have been adjusted when necessary. When using PayPal for payment
please add =A41 / =A31 / US-$2 to cover PayPal fees. Please find all
relevant details under the 2009 info package URL below.

Once again I'd like to take this opportunity to say many thanks to all
DXers who have sent me comments and updates, suggested improvements,
pointed out errors, or provided NDB pictures and sound clips etc. As
always your support is very much appreciated and an invaluable help
and encouragement for me!


--=20
vy 73 + gd DX,

Michael


Editor of "The European NDB Handbook" & "The North American NDB Handbook"


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The GR-874 is an early GenRad "genderless" connector I am sure even a "young
lad" like you will have seen them on admittanace bridges and old sig gens.
They just plug together...good to 1500HMz with the threaded sleeve to reduce
leakage.

Alan

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> Come on then - explain :-)
> Never even heard of GR-874
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
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>
>
> 2009/1/26 Mark <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk>:
> > GR-874 I haven't seen any of those for a while, but I can see how any
> > description of them may be misinterpreted
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Mal

Sorry...TX antenna lowered to ground due to yesterday's ice storm and it doe=
sn't look like there will be any melting today. Will advise if condx change.

Jay
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  MF ops TR
  Anyone available tonight for a QSO across the pond. MF condx good at prese=
nt. VU stn(India) audible on 1820 khz at 1500 utc daylight here.
  It could be a good nite for 500 long haul.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry...TX antenna lowered to&nbsp;ground d=
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John

See your first reception at 2122Z at -28 show up on the WSPR database a few minutes ago. That's 44 
minutes before our sunset. Nice!

Jay  W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


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From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR/2 in WSPR mode


> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:35:48 -0500
> <jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> John, Rik and group
>>
>> Confirming that WE2XGR/2 TX is up and WSPRing. Will continue
>> transmissions until at least 0000Z and probably beyond.
>
>
> 1st decode at 21:22 -28dB
>
> Some faint traces visible on prior periods.
>
> Looking good for the rest of the evening,
>
> John
> 



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Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info from the web=
.
g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: riese-k3djc@juno.com=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


  310113517964   E bay too

  On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> w=
rites:
    Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have ha=
d several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to submit a=
 cct I will await replies. This method was used successfully  at Coldiz and=20=
other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
    Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to MF=
/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.
    Build one and have a QSO using this RX
    g3kev




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too</DIV>
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  <DIV>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" &lt;<A     href=3D"m=
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fen=
ce wire=20
    RX a while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To=20
    give&nbsp;others the opportunity&nbsp;to submit a cct I will await repli=
es.=20
    This method&nbsp;was used successfully &nbsp;at Coldiz&nbsp;and other PO=
W=20
    camps to receive BBC broadcasts.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let us know how you would approach the=20=
subject.=20
    This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receic=
ved=20
    on these bands.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Build one and have a QSO using this=20
    RX</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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Jim

Had a look at noon using an Argo QRSS10 screen and could not find a single 
open area wider than 5.02 Hz anywhere in the band. All 5.02 Hz spaced lines 
are plenty bright so they're likely a problem for WSPR. Guess the program 
wasn't designed to co-exist with loran...

Jay


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> Dear Jay, Vernon, LF Group,
>
> Jay - Thanks for looking -  I can see that could be the problem!
>
> The WSPR signal has a bandwidth of around 6Hz, so the problem is finding 
> that much of a gap between lines. E.g. with the Northeastern USA chain 
> with 9960 GRI, lines should appear every 5.02Hz roughly, although I expect 
> some will probably be stronger than others. Can you look with Argo on a 
> wider setting to see if there are any 6Hz wide spaces, or at least areas 
> where the lines are weaker?
>
> Vernon - I'm afraid "SCP/LN8PHG" probably isn't a genuine signal, but WSPR 
> producing a false decode - this is fairly common when narrow-band QRM is 
> present, although only occurs rarely when just the band noise is present. 
> Because of the way WSPR encodes/decodes, it will usually try to format any 
> "gobbledygook" as a legitimate message with callsigns, reports, etc. You 
> can usually tell by the outlandish callsigns and locators. A pity really, 
> otherwise they would be pretty impressive DX!
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 



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Lubos, Henny, Victor,

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Good afternoon, here in EN31do.

Please do not flame me. 

I have the top US Commercial 'Phone license (since 1954 - with radar
endorsement), extra ham radio license, and 40 years in broadcasting mostly
on the technical side. I am marginally conversant at best on digital
technology and modes - but still interested. I am not a CW fan because I
could never develop the coordination necessary; same reason that I could
never be a very good clarinet player. (I van not even make the "Vulcan"
sign!)

A question was asked and this is an insight.

A very long time ago I talked to an old ham that said he had done the razor
blade or equivalent receiving thing. I can no longer find my notes even
though I still have a crystal set diagram from a junior high teacher of
mine, a Mr. Harrison in the 1950 period of time.

The earphone, in his recounting, had come from a pilot that had been shot
down and somehow was not divested of that device before being incarcerated.

A corner of the blade was use against a dissimilar metal or even rust but
not corrosion. The usual filter capacitor was probably not present and in
effect is somewhat optional. My memory does not work for the aerial/antenna
but if the fence wasn't electrified that might be a possibility.

Selectivity was the strongest signal. Is this the "Luxemburg effect?"

There were many prison camps. No doubt there were different schemes for
reception when it could be done. Of course there is no "pat" answer but it
is interesting and not all things interesting are practical at all times.
Maybe this helps.

AND then there is the "stolen power" crystal set scheme which is one section
for the detection and another to provide a flimsy power supple for an FET or
some such.

73 - and happy New Year from Iowa, U.S.A.

Doc.





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Hi Jay and all,

thanks for this information. Your strongest lines are apparently from Nantucket which is dual rated on GRIs 5930 and 9960. I have 
slightly adjusted my WSPR transmit center frequency to 137567.8 Hz, which would just barely squeeze the signal between 565.261 and 
570.281.

It may be helpful to try notch filters on the Loran lines. As I have only weak Loran lines on 137 kHz, I have experimentally set the 
RX somewhere near 100 kHz and tried to apply SpecLab's new multiple autonotch feature from the FFT filter dialog box. Even though 
this was originally intended to dynamically remove 50 Hz hum harmonics for VLF listening, it proved quite effective on Loran lines 
when the FFT size was set high (> 64K) and agressive threshold parameters were chosen. It did require some fiddling, but resulted in 
a very audible rejection of the strong Loran clatter. Alternatively, the older SpecLab "IIR2" DSP-filter is also very effective to 
place narrow notches on a few discrete frequencies. The main point is that the nulls will hardly affect the desired signal as long 
as the notch width is much narrower than the modulation symbol rate (1.47 Hz). A noise blanker in front of the notch filters will 
prevent ringing after a strong impulsive excitation.

The straightforward way toapply this to WSPR would be to have one PC running SpecLab, and use an oldfashioned audio cable to feed 
the DAC audio output to a second PC running the WSPR decoder.

Best wishes
Markus, DF6NM


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Subject: LF: Re: Re: 136khz WSPR


> Marcus
>
> Info on 137.570 kHz.
>
> 137565.036 9610 - South Central U.S.
> 137565.261 9960 - Northeast U.S.
> 137565.337 7270 - Newfoundland East Coast
> 137565.392 9940 - Western U.S.
> 137566.890 5980 - Russian American
> 137567.568 9990 - North Pacific
> 137568.922 7980 - Southeast U.S.
> 137569.095 7960 - Gulf of Alaska
> 137569.361 8290 - North Central U.S.
> 137569.677 8970 - Great Lakes
> 137570.239 9610 - South Central U.S.
> 137570.281 9960 - Northeast U.S.
> 137570.423 9940 - Western U.S.
> 137570.952 5990 - Canadian West Coast
> 137571.669 5930 - Canadian East Coast
> 137572.215 7270 - Newfoundland East Coast
> 137572.573 9990 - North Pacific
> 137575.188 7980 - Southeast U.S.
> 137575.251 5980 - Russian American
> 137575.251 8970 - Great Lakes
> 137575.301 9960 - Northeast U.S.
> 137575.377 7960 - Gulf of Alaska
> 137575.392 8290 - North Central U.S.
> 137575.442 9610 - South Central U.S.
> 137575.453 9940 - Western U.S.
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
> 



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Hello LF!
UFB propagation on 600m band this morning - see the picture.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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Just dropped 3dB now - as there are more stns on and monitoring.   next drop
will be in 20 - 30 minutes

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


2009/1/30 Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>

>  Dear Andy,
>
> if you want to change power it might make sense to go up and down on a
> shorter timescale, as otherwise it may be difficult to tell the effects from
> a generally increasing noise background. I'm seeing your signal weakly on
> spectrogram with a little doiwnward drift, but no decodes yet, so not much
> hope for QRPP this way.
>
> I have now set up WSPR for LF/MF half duplex, transmitting 25% on 137.568,
> and listening around 503.900 inbetween.
>
> Kind regards,
> Markus, DF6NM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2009 6:42 PM
> *Subject:* LF: WSPR - JNT
>
> I'm WSPRing again.  Tere was a request earlier this week for some more QRP
> operation, so I've put a switched attenuator into circuit ready.  Currrently
> running at the original 80 Watts figure, but throughout the evening, I will
> progressively reduce power in steps - unless there are any requests for
> specific reductions.   Fully linear system and I have 1dB resolution
> available.
>
> Suggestions pse for power levels.
>
> Also do have the margin to increase power by about 2 - 3dB as well,
>
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>

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<div>Just dropped 3dB now - as there are more stns on and monitoring.&nbsp;&=
nbsp; next drop will be in 20 - 30 minutes</div>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com">=
www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/1/30 Markus Vester <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=20=
href=3D"mailto:markusvester@aol.com">markusvester@aol.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Dear&nbsp;Andy,</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">if you&nbsp;want to change power it mig=
ht make sense&nbsp;to&nbsp;go up and down on a shorter timescale, as otherwi=
se it&nbsp;may be difficult to tell the effects from a generally increasing=20=
noise background. I&#39;m seeing your signal weakly on spectrogram with a li=
ttle doiwnward drift, but no decodes yet, so not much hope for QRPP this way=
. </font></div>

<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">I have&nbsp;now set up WSPR&nbsp;for LF=
/MF half duplex,&nbsp;transmitting 25% on 137.568, and listening around 503.=
900 inbetween.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Kind regards,</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Markus, DF6NM</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<blockquote dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARG=
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<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><b>From:</b> <a title=
=3D"andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com" href=3D"mailto:andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">Andy Talbot</a> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org" href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D"_blank">rsgb=
_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 30, 2009 6:42 P=
M</div>
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> LF: WSPR - JNT</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I&#39;m WSPRing again.&nbsp; Tere was&nbsp;a request earlier this week=20=
for some more QRP operation, so I&#39;ve put a switched attenuator into circ=
uit ready.&nbsp; Currrently running at the original 80 Watts figure, but thr=
oughout the evening, I will progressively reduce&nbsp;power in steps - unles=
s there are any requests for specific reductions.&nbsp;&nbsp; Fully linear s=
ystem and I have 1dB resolution available.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Suggestions pse for power levels.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Also do have the margin to increase power by about 2 - 3dB as well, </d=
iv>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com/"=
 target=3D"_blank">www.g4jnt.com</a><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquot=
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Hi Andrey,

good job, that snow dusting - you're visible on the grabber in BY now!

Laurence,  you see that leaving the grabber running is being very much appreciated... have a good flight!

73 and good luck too all
 Markus, DF6NM


PS. oh, the baby bottle there, on the end of the pole in the sky? That's for feeding the angels, of course. Don't worry it won't 
catch fire, unless a dragon is trying to take a sip...

----- Original Message ----- 
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All is clear, Nicolas. In Moscow too it is snowing.
My beacon works on 137776,4 and in pauses between "A" I clean off snow from antenna insulators:)

 73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV



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Hi LF,

thanks to all who sent reports on last night's attempts to appear on Laurences grabber. The partial discharge problems seem to have 
gone for now (knock on wood...). After a cold night, the antenna impedance was as low as 15.5 ohms, and my EMRP would have been 
around 0.3 W with 3.3 A current.

Kind regards

Markus,
DF6NM in JN59NK 



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alberto di Bene" <dibene@usa.net>
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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:59 PM
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> mal hamilton wrote:
>> Alberto if you understood the dih-dah code you would think different, it 
>> is
>> more skilled than an appliance black box, press button A or B etc.
>
> I understand dih-dah-dih. I used it for many years when I was young.
> I am licensed since 1966. But then I grew up and moved on.
Are you still growing and what is next?

>
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Is there any tfc list and exchange of traffic on the freq. I have hrd some 
ships calling although not recently on 500 khz, mostly far east ships.
mal/g3kev

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Coastal stations are still running, well XSG on A1A is anyway on 522.5 
Hz  - Im not sure of the power Shanghai radio puts out but from field 
measurements its probably in the 1Kw range.

Laurence  - stuck in Singapore....








From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:22:58 +0000
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That is a more sensible power for MF. Coastal stns were running in excess of 
this power and ships between 1 - 2 kw so whats new.
Radio amateurs are at a disatvantage at present but could handle it, but 
appliance operators NO.
G3KEV



----- Original Message ----- 
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NEWS FLASH
The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF
CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts.
Hope some of you guys get your T2 license to run the station after
construction. As soon as the snow melts and temperatures rise a bit the
large vertical will be errected. My QTH can only be temporary so we
must find a permanent home ASAP.

73, Steve

WA1HUD

President NEHRS, Inc.
http://nehrs.net/default.aspx

----- Original Message ----- 
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On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation as 
suggested by some. Two procedures are required with the mode. First it has 
to be detected then analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. 
Morse sent in the QRS mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot 
only requires one procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a good 
indication of propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.

I have pointed out recently that I have observed all of the traces from 
those transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been directly keyed in QRS mode 
an ID or intellegence would have been conveyed, whereas only part of the 
time was the signals decoded in wspr. For those viewing the print format 
only and getting no copy would never know whether the signall was being 
received or if it was faulty sampling and decoding.

Cut out the second procedure of decoding, avoid ambiguity and use the slow 
keyed carried method using morse code or murray code. A waterfall display 
and the EYE is a very sensitive detector,
For those experimenting with data modes have fun but todate in the amateur 
radio LF/MF context nothing yet has surpassed the use of slow morse keyed at 
a speed to suit one's needs ie propagation studies or communication between 
two stations.
mal/g3kev







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Hello Andrey,
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Henny pa3cpm
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Hi Gus,

I found these:

http://www.w5bbr.com/soundbd.html

and http://www.g4ilo.com/wspr.html

de Dave QSW 4 U


  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Hi all,

  any who know abt RS232 and WSPR!=20


  can WSPR program accept "DTR" as interface power from RS 232 port ?


  73 de Gus SM6BHZ

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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Hi Gus,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>I found these:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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>http://www.g4ilo.com/wspr.html</A></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>de Dave QSW 4 U</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <A title=3Dbegu@algonet.se href=3D"mailto:begu@algonet.se">Gus</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 26, 2009 5:21=
=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: WSPR</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4>Hi all,</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4></FONT></EM></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4>any who know abt RS232 and WSPR!=20
  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4></FONT></EM></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4></FONT></EM></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4>can WSPR program accept "DTR" as interface=
 power=20
  from RS 232 port&nbsp;?</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4></FONT></EM></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4></FONT></EM></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4>73 de Gus=20
  SM6BHZ</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV></FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><=
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Dear Andy, John, LF Group,

Yes, Chas, G3DXZ suddenly appeared on the WSPR frequency in CW, so we QSYed 
a bit for a contact - I'll probably recover, given time!

The WSPR beacon is back on again now.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Currently listening to your QSO on CW with Chas. This is the first time
> I think I've heard you on "real man's CW". Even in wideband mode, so I
> can continue the WPSR monitoring, you're a good 539 in the old money.
>



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Andy, Jim et al,

Just retuned to 502kHz to see if I can copy any WSPR from you Andy,

Also the grabber at

http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg

now will show the band 502.3 - 504

Just seen some PSK at 503kHz (17:12) although didn't get a chance to
try decoding it.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV
Shetland


On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:01:01 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear Andy,
> 
> Copied your WSPR test just now. Reported frequency was 0.503500, so
> no problem there.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU 
> 
> 


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Lubos, Henny, Jean-Pierre,

Thanks for the reports, captures and grabber!

-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1

2009/1/16 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:
> Hi All,
>
> capture XGJ
> Henny pa3cpm
> 73s
> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
> verzonden:
> XGJ 16-01.jpg
>


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DF6NM on RA9CUA grabber: http://ra9cua.nm.ru/

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Maplin have been selling these but their paper catalogue does not seem to gi=
ve detailed characteristics and doing an online search of their catalogue is=
 not practicable as I am typically getting 14.4kb/s on dialup*, which means=20=
it takes a minute or more to repaint the page. =20

I tried e-mailing them but have not had a reply. =20

aL is easy to estimate with a few turns and an inductance meter, but I would=
 like to know more about these materials.  Can anyone help, please?=20

John F5VLF
*we are promised ADSL in a few weeks but I have been here before =20




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Well - my "clear of Loran lines" window seems to be an enigma here in China=20=
as I seem to have a few in my view but they may be artifacts or possibly non=
 registered off hook GRI's from a Russian chain or two that Markus has spott=
ed.=20
=20
Anyway WPF is very clear in the window - thanks. My internet connection is d=
own at home for some reason - I hope I get plugged back in later - so the Ar=
gos wont be loading at the moment.
=20
No decodes from WSPR at the time I left for work.
=20
With thanks - Laurence BY3A/KL1X
http://kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg



From: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.comTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate: Th=
u, 15 Jan 2009 00:17:44 -0900Subject: LF: Loran clear regions worldwide

Im going to set the SDR IQ on 136kHz tonight in case some activity, 136KHz d=
ial on WSPR  - however if Eu wants to fire up other visual modes can I respe=
ctively suggest you do it in the region:- 136.307154 to 136.308999 kHz This=20=
is a 1.84Hz +-<huge> area (with a 0.1hz guard) that appears to be clear glob=
ally of Loran lines. 136318 and 136319 are a little busy! At least then any=20=
QRSS stable signal would be easy(ier) to detect - I do however commend DFCW,=
 sloping or someform of other carrier deviated signal that makes ident easie=
r for my old eyes. See http://kl1x.com/wwloran.gif Sunsetting here -10C Laur=
ence BY3A/KL1X Tanggu China



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Well - my "clear of Loran lines" window seems to be an enigma here in China=20=
as I seem to have a few in my view but they may be artifacts or possibly non=
 registered off hook GRI's from a Russian chain or two that Markus has spott=
ed. <BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Anyway WPF is very clear in the window - thanks. My internet connection is d=
own at home for some reason - I hope I get plugged back in later - so the Ar=
gos wont be loading at the moment.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
No decodes from WSPR at the time I left for work.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
With thanks - Laurence BY3A/KL1X<BR>
<A href=3D"http://kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg">http://kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg</A><BR><=
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6.308999&nbsp;kHz<BR>&nbsp;<BR>This is a 1.84Hz +-&lt;huge&gt; area (with a=20=
0.1hz guard) that appears to be clear globally of Loran lines. 136318 and 13=
6319 are a little busy! At least then any QRSS stable signal would be easy(i=
er) to detect - I do however commend DFCW, sloping or someform of other carr=
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Mike Dennison wrote:
> GM4SLV wrote:
>  
>> There was much discussion on the WSPR forum on the merits or otherwise
>> of this approach, in the HF sphere at least.
>>
>> It might be easier if we adopted the same approach as is recommended
>> for HF use - to report the actual TX power, not ERP.
> 
> This does not follow. On the HF bands the ERP is close to RF power, 
> especially on the bands where WSPR is popular, and can therefore be 
> used a a rough approximation. That is most certainly not the case on 
> LF/MF. On 136kHz I have to run 800W RF to get 300mW ERP. Another 
> station might need just 100W RF to achieve the same power. Although 
> the ratio is smaller on 500kHz, there is still a huge discrepancy 
> between the RF needed to achieve the same ERP for different stations. 
> RF power is therefore meaningless.
> 
> Mike, G3XDV
> ==========
> 

Hello Mike, LF

This is precisely why I thought it might be instructive to report TX power!

In the above example, of an inefficient antenna and 800W vs an efficient
antenna and 100W for the same ERP, the WSPR reports will make this
plainly obvious, as similar S/N should be reported for both systems, due
to similar ERP, but the different efficiencies will be obvious from the
reported TX power - one reporting 60dBm and the other 50dBm, rather than
both reporting 23dBm ERP(using the closest available power options in WSPR)

However, I must admit I'm swayed by the general argument to stick to ERP
in WSPR on LF/MF, for the reasons given by Jim et al. and I'm
withdrawing my initial argument for using TX power.

Cheers,

John


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Gary
A shining example of what can be achieved especially by a disabled person .=20=
It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad light!!!!!! on MF/LF some class A o=
perators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I assume they are able bodied. It us=
ed to be that a class A amateur had an advantage over the general public by=20=
being able to converse in morse code, just like another language except it w=
as totally international.
Even a worse senario, a lot of persons today cannot write, the norm is to us=
e a keypad and send text messages using some abbreviated gibbirish, grammar=20=
is not required, sort of pigeon english.=20
G3KEV

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 4:21 PM
  Subject: LF: RE: Morse code lifeline


  Hi All,

  =20

  Here is a video on the above subject at this link :-

  =20

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm

  =20

  Cheers,

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT.

  =20


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  Subject: LF: Morse code lifeline

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  Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009

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  The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 2009

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  Quote-" A Pensioner who is almost completely paralysed has learned to comm=
unicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.

  Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his 79=20=
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  73  Mike GW4HXO

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gary</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A shining example of what can be achieved=20
especially by a disabled person . It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad=20
light!!!!!! on MF/LF some class A operators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I=
=20
assume they are able bodied. It used to be that a class A amateur had an=20
advantage over the general public by being able to converse in morse&nbsp;co=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Even a worse senario, a lot of persons toda=
y cannot=20
write, the norm is to use a keypad and send text messages using some abbrevi=
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gibbirish, grammar is not required, sort of pigeon english. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
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Hello Nicolas, Henny, Lubos, Marco, LF,
Thanks for the reports!

Nicolas, you was yesterday very well visible on grabber DL2HRE.
Can will try to work as a beacon all night long?
It is very interesting to me to receive your signal.
I think, and not only me.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


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ITLE>Message</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>Thanks for the report Dave.<br><br>At the m=
oment (10:38 UTC) I can see a 3rd stn transmitting WSPR on 137.517 (-ish), b=
ut still masked by a carrier here,<br>so only visible but not decodable.<br>=
If the sender is reading this, I suggest to QSY 20 Hz up, or 30 Hz down.<br>=
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<b>Betreff:</b> LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning DF0WD &amp; M0BMU<br=
><b>Gesendet:</b> Sa 17 Jan 2009 10:51:41 CET<br><b>Von:</b> "Dave G3WCB"&lt=
;ganymede444@btopenworld.com&gt;<br><br><title>Message</title>

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  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Scholz, Mar=
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  <br><b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2009 09:32<br><b>To:</b>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br><b>Subject:</b> LF: RE: 137 kHz WSPR tests=
=20
  saturday morning<br><br></font></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font c=
olor=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Good morning,</font></span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font c=
olor=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">good reception of DF0WD </font></=
span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"></span>=
<span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" si=
ze=3D"2">092600&nbsp; 18=20
  -11&nbsp; 0.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 11&nbsp; 0&nbsp; DF0WD JO42=20
  27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>092800&nbsp;&nbsp;=20=
9=20
  -20&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0&nbsp; M0BMU IO91 27=20
  </font></span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font c=
olor=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
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  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font c=
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s=3D"057413009-17012009"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">J=
N49ax</font></span></div><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><=
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us">
  <hr tabindex=3D"-1">
  <font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b>From:</b> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <b>On Behalf Of=20
  </b>dl4yhf@freenet.de<br><b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2009 10:24<br><b>To:</b>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br><b>Subject:</b> LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests=20
  saturday morning<br></font><br></div>
  <div></div>Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,<br><br>Many thanks for th=
e=20
  WSPR activity.<br><br>To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving=20
  sites.<br>The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:<br><br>0900&nb=
sp;=20
  -7&nbsp; 0.5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137500&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 27<br><br>(automatic=20
  uploading of spots to=20
  http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=3Dhtml&amp;band=3D2190&amp;limit=
=3D50&amp;findcall=3D&amp;findreporter=3D&amp;sort=3Ddate<br><br>was=20
  off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.<br><br>At the same period=
,=20
  the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB ... 13 dB less SNR than=20=
here=20
  at the club station, using the 200 meter wire antenna. What a difference=20
  !<br>I don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is fr=
ozen=20
  still), but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems to be in=
 the=20
  same region as M0BMU.<br><br>Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short whil=
e=20
  now.<br><br>73,<br>&nbsp; Wolf&nbsp; DL4YHF ( @ df0wd,&nbsp; JO42FD)=20
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Thanks for the report Dave.

At the moment (10:38 UTC) I can see a 3rd stn transmitting WSPR on 137.517 (=
-ish), but still masked by a carrier here,
so only visible but not decodable.
If the sender is reading this, I suggest to QSY 20 Hz up, or 30 Hz down.




73,
  Wolf .

----- original Nachricht --------

Betreff: LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning DF0WD & M0BMU
Gesendet: Sa 17 Jan 2009 10:51:41 CET
Von: "Dave G3WCB"<ganymede444@btopenworld.com>

Jim, Wolf, LF,  Reception as follows:-                      =20
093600   7  10  1.1   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 27        =20
094200   3 -21  1.5     1  0  DF0WD JO42 27        =20
094400   7   8  1.2   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 27        =20
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org]On Behalf Of Scholz, Marco=20
Sent: 17 January 2009 09:32
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning

Good morning,good reception of DF0WD 092600  18 -11  0.9    11  0  DF0WD JO4=
2 27        =20
092800   9 -20  0.6     0  0  M0BMU IO91 27  vy73MarcoDD7PC in JN49ax
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org] On Behalf Of dl4yhf@freenet.de
Sent: 17 January 2009 10:24
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning

Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,

Many thanks for the WSPR activity.

To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving sites.
The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:

0900  -7  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27

(automatic uploading of spots to http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=
=3Dhtml&band=3D2190&limit=3D50&findcall=3D&findreporter=3D&sort=3Ddate

was off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.

At the same period, the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB ... 13=
 dB less SNR than here at the club station, using the 200 meter wire antenna=
. What a difference !
I don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is frozen st=
ill), but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems to be in the=
 same region as M0BMU.

Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short while now.

73,
  Wolf  DL4YHF ( @ df0wd,  JO42FD) .

--
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--- original Nachricht Ende ----

Unbegrenzter Speicher, Top-Spamschutz, 120 SMS und eigene E-MailDomain inkl.
http://office.freenet.de/dienste/emailoffice/produktuebersicht/power/mail/in=
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Dear Uwe,

Am in the process of modifying my 136kHz TX to take drive from my 
transverter - should be ready in the next few days.

BTW, have been getting one decode every 4 minutes consistently here. I have 
been trying to upload them to the WSPRnet database, but I think they have to 
be in the  Callsign/Locator/power beacon format for this to work.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Still copying DF6NM, but only a faint trace of M0BMU.

204200   2 -28  1.1    13  0
204400   7 -19  1.3    84  0  DF6NM JN59 23
204800   2 -28  1.0    13  0
205200   3 -25  1.5    84  0
210000   1 -26  1.7    78  0
210800   4 -20  1.6    78  0  DF6NM JN59 17
211400   4 -19  1.7    78  0
212200   4 -23  1.9    78  0
212600   7 -21  1.3    78  0  DF6NM JN59 17
213000   5 -20  1.7    78  0  DF6NM JN59 17
213400   2 -24  1.3    78  0
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215200   6 -19  1.6    78  0
220000   3 -26  1.6    78  0
220800   2 -18  1.6    79 -1
221200   3 -20  1.8    78  0  DF6NM JN59 17

I am tuned to 137.505, and I see DF6NM at approx. 78Hz higher.
I'm watching approx. +/- 180 Hz respect to 137.500 .

Jim, I will leave the RX on all the night.

73 - Marco IK1ODO



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Nice activity on 136kHz this morning - possibly fuelled by the 
expected OE activity or maybe the CQ WW 160 contest this weekend.

Worked DK4U (549) on CW. Also heard CW from G3YXM (599) and G3KEV 
(589). QRSS3 from M0BMU and F4DTL, both 'O'.

Did not hear anything from the OE stations.

Topped off the morning by my first WSPR decode - from M0BMU who is 
local to me - on 500kHz with my ant still tuned to 136.

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John and LF,

what=C2=A0the ICM products=C2=A0look like in a spectrogram of course=C2=A0de=
pends on the=C2=A0FFT resolution. The narrow events=C2=A0were created by=C2=
=A0test tone modulation=C2=A0on the broadcast transmitter (probably 225 kHz=20=
but I didn't listen).=C2=A0Such tones are=C2=A0often transmitted some time=
=C2=A0after local midnight for a couple of minutes. The sub-Hz line=C2=A0lin=
ewidth=C2=A0was probably=C2=A0defined=C2=A0by a slight=C2=A0audio frequency=20=
drift of the tones,=C2=A0in addition to=C2=A0the=C2=A0 0.1 Hz broadening of=20=
the=C2=A0DCF /HGA carriers themselves due to the FSK telegrams.

The more typical musical tones=C2=A0create strips and patches that are sever=
al Hz to tens of Hz wide. So they have a somewhat similar appearance, but on=
 a wider frequency and faster time scale.=C2=A0You can often see them on the=
 fullband panel of my colour DF grabber - red above HGA22 (135.43 kHz) and p=
urple below DCF39 (138.83).=C2=A0However with=C2=A0millihertz resolution (e.=
g. QRSS-60), they mostly=C2=A0appear as temporarily increased noise.

73, Markus

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20
Von: John RABSON <john.rabson@wanadoo.fr>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Verschickt: Do., 15. Jan. 2009, 10:30
Thema: Re: LF: Re: Luxembourg



Markus, Lubos,
Are these light-coloured patches a typical signature of this effect?  I get=20=
quite a lot of them here.
John F5VLF
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
On 15/01/2009 at 03:32 Lubos OK2BVG wrote:
>Hello Markus, LF!
Many thanks for your info about Russian Loran (GRI 8000), it=C2=B4s this!

Here is my picture of Luxembourg effec
t in JN88KS. Very strong signal.

Lubos, OK2BVG

**************************************************

> From: markusvester@aol.com
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:22:41 +0100
> Subject: LF: Re: Luxembourg
>=20
> .. this is the cross modulation signature on the RN3AGC grabber. The
pattern was also visible on F1AFJ's screen. - 73, Markus
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:52 AM
> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz, Luxembourg
>=20
>=20
>  The band is fairly quiet tonight. Twice for a few minutes around 23:23
and 23:33, there were strong Luxembourg sideband carriers
>  simultaneously on both HGA and DCF. They were apparently caused by a
1054 Hz sinusoidal modulation test tone (sidebands at 136.484,
>  75 uV/m and 137.776 kHz, 13 uV/m). There was also a -20 dB second
harmonic component (137.538, 6 uV/m and 136.722, 1.5 uV/m), due=20
> to
>  the square-law charasteristic of the heating effect.
>=20
>  Kind regards,
> Marksu, DF6NM
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<WBR>John and LF,<br>
<br>
what&nbsp;the ICM products&nbsp;look like in a spectrogram of course&nbsp;de=
pends on the&nbsp;FFT resolution. The narrow events&nbsp;were created by&nbs=
p;test tone modulation&nbsp;on the broadcast transmitter (probably 225 kHz b=
ut I didn't listen).&nbsp;Such tones are&nbsp;often transmitted some time&nb=
sp;after local midnight for a couple of minutes. The sub-Hz line&nbsp;linewi=
dth&nbsp;was probably&nbsp;defined&nbsp;by a slight&nbsp;audio frequency dri=
ft of the tones,&nbsp;in addition to&nbsp;the&nbsp; 0.1 Hz broadening of the=
&nbsp;DCF /HGA carriers themselves due to the FSK telegrams.<br>
<br>
The more typical musical tones&nbsp;create strips and patches that are sever=
al Hz to tens of Hz wide. So they have a somewhat similar appearance, but on=
 a wider frequency and faster time scale.&nbsp;You can often see them on the=
 fullband panel of my colour DF grabber - red above HGA22 (135.43 kHz) and p=
urple below DCF39 (138.83).&nbsp;However with&nbsp;millihertz resolution (e.=
g. QRSS-60), they mostly&nbsp;appear as temporarily increased noise.<br>
<br>
73, Markus<br>
<br>
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- <br>
Von: John RABSON &lt;john.rabson@wanadoo.fr&gt;<br>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
Verschickt: Do., 15. Jan. 2009, 10:30<br>
Thema: Re: LF: Re: Luxembourg<br>
<br>


<div id=3DAOLMsgPart_0_f0ca13fd-23cb-4adb-9e17-b73b8a4b029f style=3D"FONT-SI=
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s-Serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff"><PRE style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><TT>Markus, L=
ubos,

Are these light-coloured patches a typical signature of this effect?  I get=20=
quite=3D2
0a lot of them here.

John F5VLF

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 15/01/2009 at 03:32 Lubos OK2BVG wrote:

&gt;Hello Markus, LF!
&gt;Many thanks for your info about Russian Loran (GRI 8000), it=C2=B4s this=
!
&gt;
&gt;Here is my picture of Luxembourg effect in JN88KS. Very strong signal.
&gt;
&gt;Lubos, OK2BVG
&gt;
&gt;**************************************************
&gt;
&gt;&gt; From: <A href=3D"mailto:markusvester@aol.com">markusvester@aol.com<=
/A>
&gt;&gt; To: <A href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@b=
lacksheep.org</A>
&gt;&gt; Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:22:41 +0100
&gt;&gt; Subject: LF: Re: Luxembourg
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt; .. this is the cross modulation signature on the RN3AGC grabber. Th=
e
&gt;pattern was also visible on F1AFJ's screen. - 73, Markus
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt; ----- Original Message -----=20
&gt;&gt; From: "Markus Vester" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:markusvester@aol.com">m=
arkusvester@aol.com</A>&gt;
&gt;&gt; To: &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_gro=
up@blacksheep.org</A>&gt;
&gt;&gt; Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:52 AM
&gt;&gt; Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz, Luxembourg
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;  The band is fairly quiet tonight. Twice for a few minutes around 2=
3:23
&gt;and 23:33, there were strong Luxembourg sideband carriers
&gt;&gt;  simultaneously on both HGA and DCF. They were apparently caused by=
 a
&gt;1054 Hz sinusoidal modulation test tone (sidebands at 136.484,
&gt;&gt;  75 uV/m and 137.776 kHz, 13 uV/m). There was also a -20=3D2
0dB second
&gt;harmonic component (137.538, 6 uV/m and 136.722, 1.5 uV/m), due=20
&gt;&gt; to
&gt;&gt;  the square-law charasteristic of the heating effect.
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;  Kind regards,
&gt;&gt; Marksu, DF6NM
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Hello Warren, LF!
Nice signal some minutes before sunrise.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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Stewart
This is a simple exercise and NO ONE knows how to do it, plenty of comments 
and deviations.
An analogy

1. Some HI TECH RAF pilots asked to fly a WW2 SPITFIRE and found it 
difficult and performed badly, needed training and tuition.

2. Hi Performance students A + in their subjects could not pass a 1960 GCE 
paper in maths and english.

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Digital and DC are abundant.

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> mal hamilton wrote:
>> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have
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> I think that we all give up - just tell us how to do it.
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Dave
Its a pity you cannot TX for a qso. Since u can hear me and I can hear u we=20=
could certainly have a norm CW qso.
Jay seems to be the only one Transmitting in QSO mode at present.
The late NC1K used to hear me frequently both on 137 and 500 khz good enough=
 signal for a QSO on each band.=20
Tnx agn and look out for me tonite agn starting at around 2200 utc. If u wor=
k HF we could have a xband qso on 7033 khz.=20
502.57 khz this end.
73 de mal/g3kev IO94SH

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: dave.riley3=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:46 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Gudday Mal,

  Yes, I am @ FN42pb near Brant Rock, Mass. on the East coast, south of Bost=
on where Fessenden did his magic a hundred years ago, and have copied you se=
veral times before as well as Jim, M0BMU...

  Things in my favor for reception are being close to the perfect conduction=
 of the ocean, and use of magnetic loops for RX.

  Things that are out of favor are constant QRN from power lines and weather=
, so I use phased loops and hope that the best noise null is not where the s=
ignal is coming from.

  Soon I will have an e-probe WAY out in the woods to phase against the larg=
er loop and that maybe will buy me a few more DBs out of the noise.

  Anyway, you were audible regardless of our snow storm conditions...

  XSH stations cannot work outside of the country, but last night would have=
 been like an old fashioned EME QSO on the first pass...

  O O O O  K K

  TNX Mal and best of sigs from the Colonies...

  Dave - AA1A - WD2XSH/17  ( the -10db guy )

  www.radiocom.net/Fessenden=20


    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:52 AM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Hi agn Dave
    After research I see u are AA1A in Main. You had fb copy on my signal, s=
urprisingly Jay saw nothing, although I had copied him OOO
    Can you TX for a qso if so let me know when.
    I often copy your signal on 500 khz audible and strong at times.WD2XSH/1=
7. We could possibly have a norm CW QSO.
    Tnx agn for the photos and report=20
    de mal/g3kev/IO94SH

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: dave.riley3=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09 AM
      Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


      Mal,

      Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

      http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


      73s from Dave




      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: mal hamilton=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
      Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


      Jay
      Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and=
 agn 2214 utc
      It looks ok so far.
      mal
      g3kev


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Its a pity you cannot TX for a qso. Since u=
 can=20
hear me and I can hear u we could certainly have a norm CW qso.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay seems to be the only one Transmitting i=
n QSO=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The late NC1K used to hear me frequently bo=
th on=20
137 and 500 khz good enough signal for a QSO on each band. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tnx agn and look out for me tonite agn star=
ting at=20
around 2200 utc. If u work HF we could have a xband qso on 7033 khz.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>502.57 khz this end.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de mal/g3kev IO94SH</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Ddave.riley3@verizon.net     href=3D"mailto:dave.riley3@verizon.=
net">dave.riley3</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:4=
6=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re=
: Re:=20
  MF CONDX</DIV>
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  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Gudday Mal,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Yes, I am @ FN42pb near Brant Rock, Mass. on t=
he=20
  East coast, south of Boston where Fessenden did his magic a hundred years=20=
ago,=20
  and have copied you several times before as well as Jim,=20
  M0BMU...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Things in my favor for reception are being clo=
se to=20
  the perfect conduction of the ocean, and use of magnetic loops for=20
  RX.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Things that are&nbsp;out of favor are constant=
 QRN=20
  from power lines and weather, so I use phased loops and hope that the best=
=20
  noise null is not where the signal is coming from.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Soon I will have an e-probe WAY out in the woo=
ds to=20
  phase against the larger loop and that maybe will buy me a few more DBs ou=
t of=20
  the noise.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Anyway, you were audible regardless of our sno=
w=20
  storm conditions...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>XSH stations cannot work outside of the countr=
y, but=20
  last night would have been like an old fashioned EME QSO on the first=20
  pass...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>O O O O&nbsp; K K</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>TNX Mal and best of sigs from the=20
  Colonies...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Dave - AA1A -=20
  WD2XSH/17</FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;<STRONG><FONT size=3D2> ( the -10db guy=20
  )</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2><A     href=3D"http://www.radiocom.net/Fessend=
en">www.radiocom.net/Fessenden</A>=20
  </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV       style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: b=
lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">m=
al=20
    hamilton</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:=
52=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:=20=
Re: MF=20
    CONDX</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi agn Dave</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After research I see u are AA1A in Main=
. You=20
    had fb&nbsp;copy on my signal, surprisingly Jay saw nothing, although I=20=
had=20
    copied him OOO</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can you TX for a qso if so let me know=20
    when.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I often copy your signal on 500 khz aud=
ible and=20
    strong at times.WD2XSH/17. We could possibly have a norm CW=20
QSO.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tnx agn for the photos and report </FON=
T></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>de mal/g3kev/IO94SH</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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verizon.net">dave.riley3</A> </DIV>
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gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009=20=
1:09=20
      AM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re=
: MF=20
      CONDX</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp=
; <A         href=3D"http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg">http://www.radiocom.n=
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      <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>73s from Dave</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><BR><BR><STRONG>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: mal hamilt=
on=20
      <BR>To: <A         href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_l=
f_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
      <BR>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM<BR>Subject: LF: Re: Re: R=
e:=20
      Re: MF CONDX<BR><BR><BR>Jay<BR>Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qs=
b,=20
      first seen 2207 then gap and agn 2214 utc<BR>It looks ok so=20
      far.<BR>mal<BR>g3kev</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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-=20
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6 -=20
      Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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  <P></P><BR>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG -=20
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  Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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OK Jim,

I will keep watching.

Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
Sent: 09 January 2009 21:29
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR

Dear LF group,

Also using WSPR 1.01 beacon software here - 100% decodes so far...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----=20
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Same problem here Uwe

F4DTL JN18FP

Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 09/01/2009 22:19:06 Paris, Madrid,
g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk a =E9crit :

Uwe,

Which WSPR version are you using Beacon or QSO?
I only  have Beacon version at the moment & no decodes here.

73
Gary -  G4WGT.







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Hello Warren, LF!
Good propagation on 137kHz continue. Nice signal from XGJ and XKO as well. T=
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73, Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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Lee, LF,

 

I have checked and :-

 

IO83qp to IP90gg = 460 miles

IO93gx to IP90gg = 434 miles

 

Have you got your locator correct?

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hudson
Sent: 30 January 2009 21:51
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: WSPR Distance

 

Hi LF Group,

 

Just been looking at the Database of tonights activity, and I'm reported at
700miles from GM4SLV

Yet G4WGT is only 460miles.

 

Has the database put the km in my miles column?

A known bug?

 

73,

Lee M0LMH.

 

 


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t></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
me>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Lee Hudson<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 30 January 2009 21:51<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"o=
n">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: WSPR Distance</s=
pan></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Hi LF Group,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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font-size: 12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Just been looking at the Database of tonights activ=
ity, and
I'm reported at 700miles from GM4SLV</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Yet G4WGT is only 460miles.</span></font><o:p></o:p=
></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Has the database put the km in my miles column?</sp=
an></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>A known bug?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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.0pt; font-family:Arial'>73,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Lee M0LMH.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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Hi all,


Here's the latest harvest:

1932 -16  1.1   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1936 -14  1.1   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1942 -18  1.1   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1944 -29  1.0   0.503650  0 G4WGT IO83 3
1948 -21  1.1   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1950 -27  1.2   0.503649  0 G4WGT IO83 3
1952 -18  1.1   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2036 -25 -0.3   0.503525 -3 RA4JHI (BadMsg)
2040 -28  1.1   0.503568 -1 G4JNT IO90 23
2046 -23  1.1   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2052 -22  1.1   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2106 -26  1.0   0.503569  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2114 -32  1.1   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2114 -14  1.1   0.503598  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2118 -12  0.9   0.503598  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2122 -10  0.8   0.503598  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2128 -27  0.6   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2130 -11  1.4   0.503598  0 M0BMU IO91 30



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vy 73 + gd DX,

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Hello Jim , LF

James Moritz a =E9crit :
> Dear LF Group,
>
> The WSPR beacon is now QRT - I'm giving the electricity meter a rest :-)
Your beacon is not stopped, I receive his signal permanently

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yes - 137.570 kHz, 33% transmit. Regards - Markus

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 Markus ,
 
137-570  is the right carrier frequency ??
 
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Hi Alan!

Oh yes thank you,  plenty to read :)
good night!
Dennis
DL6NVC


BTW: In Berlin, as an exclaim of highest delight,  it's common to say:
"Da kann man nicht meckern" which means more or less
"There is nothing to complain/moan about" or  "can't argue with that"





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> Datum: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:35:34 -0000
> Von: "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Betreff: LF: Re: Luxemburg effect?

> Hi Dennis it isnt called that by the professionals. Radio Luxembourg was
> one
> of the strongest pre WWII BC stations in Europe and it gave problems in
> the
> UK with stations further into Europe.
> 
> Try searching for Ionospheric Cross-Modulation or maybe ionosphereic
> intermodulation. I had long discussions with Vaino OH2LX about this many
> years ago before he became ill. One of the best researches was done by an
> engineer at the BBC but I dont recall his name. I maybe still have the
> references.  From what I remember the effect is roughly along a line with
> the "victim" furthest from the receiver but very approximately the other
> side of the "heater" (as one might expect)
> 
> Alan G3NYK
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Long Haul back to Europe last night was my "average" (so much as Ive gained=20=
so far) though at the 5000Kms mark UA4WPF had favorable fading.
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rally been quite good, but the signal levels are definitely down by > severa=
l dB since last night - see attachment. So in answer to Dennis, LF > conditi=
ons were better last night, at least for OH -> G. However, W3EEE's > DCF39 g=
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Long Haul back to Europe last night was my "average" (so much as Ive gained=20=
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Good signal "RU" "YO" "WPF" on the BY3A-KL1X Grabber

Super, your grabber  Laurence !

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itl end up in somebodies HiFi Amp

HAR

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On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:21:30 -0600 Mike-WE0H <we0h@yahoo.com> writes:
> eBay # 400022294251
> 
> That would make a nice 600m amp?
> 
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Hello Jay, LF,

I'll do the same as Chris with my RX setup. Should be intersting to
look at the results in the morning.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:13:38 +0000
Chris McCarthy <chris.decibel@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Jay,
> 
> I will retune my RX from 502.4 to 507.0 dial freq at about 2200Z.
> Spots will be uploaded and appear at:
> http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=&sort=date
> It  be on all night.
> 
> Chris, G3XVL
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> 2009/1/27 <jrusgrove@comcast.net>
> 
> > WE2XGR/2 will be transmitting in WSPR mode tonight starting 2200Z
> > on a dial frequency of 507.000 kHz.
> >
> > Reports are appreciated.
> >
> > Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
> >
> >


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nil on the screen Joe,

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> Dear LF Group,
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> we should clearly differenciate between all aspects.
>
> A propagation study does not need any information transfer
> via the radio path other than confidence on the identity of
> the station in focus. In that case, observing the carrier
> is best. So WSPR has no advantage over QRSS.
>
> On the other hand, WSPR has the advantage of automatic
> recording. But that is not an advantage of the mode, it
> simply is the lack of a corresponding simple program that
> does the same with a QRSS signal.
>
> If the propagation is monitored with the final goal to
> make a QSO at appropriate conditions, then the information
> transfer gets important. In that case, WSPR may outperform
> QRSS by a few dBs (at the same error rate).
>
> Nevertheless, WSPR is not very near to the Shannon limit.
> I spent nearly all my leisure time of the last year with
> the design of a new digital ham radio QSO-mode HD43 that
> comes as close as possible to the theoretical limit.
> I will send a preprint on request.
>
> 73 de Klaus, DJ5HG
>
>
>
>> mal hamilton wrote:
>> > On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation
>>
>> Good points Mal. However CW for manual reception and QRSS, to be viewed
>> on a waterfall display, are fine for all manner of uses and in extremis
>> QRSS is probably more sensitive than WSPR. However QRSS requires the
>> receiving station to be actively watching the screen all the time, or to
>> save traces automatically and then manually review them, by eye, later.
>>
>> This is rather time consuming and laborious.
>>
>> WSPR may have it's downsides, and the problems last night with G0NBD
>> aside, I've never had any problems decoding anything I can visually see,
>> and also much that I could not hear and would be at the threshold of
>> QRSS useabilty.
>>
>> I have confidence that what I see reported by the software is a
>> reasonable representation of what was transmitted, and it's much easier
>> to quantify changes in signal strength vs time with the WSPR data than
>> estimating by eye the quality of a QRSS transmission.
>>
>> It may not be accurate in terms of actual reported S/N ratio, but it's
>> consistent from session to session, and gives numbers to work with, if
>> that's your interest.
>>
>> Not everyone can sit waiting for the brief propagation opening, so
>> automating the process at least adds another facet this interesting 
>> hobby.
>>
>> If it hurts no-one then what's the harm?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John
>> GM4SLV
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


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Jim and Co
Following the recent discussion and your observations about WSPR and JT65. I=
 am still of the opinion, all things considered like simplicity, bandwidth,=20=
signal over noise and transfer of information that QRS3 is to date the most=20=
suitable mode for LF and MF.  The variant DFCW would speed up the exchange o=
f info.=20
Even with QSB enough info is usually exchanged to make a QSO viable.=20
One way to minimise the QSB is to increase power and 100w erp would not be e=
xcessive.
QRS 3/2/1 and DFCW are the most suitable for this application, given the pow=
er constraints especially in the UK at present.
Monitoring recent WSPR and JT65 transmissions and waiting for a decode I cou=
ld see the traces clearly before any printout  and had the transmission been=
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73 and HNY de Mal/g3kev

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Signal on 503870000mHz, 33% T/R cycle  being radiated now...


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/26 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
> Hello LF,
>
> I've retuned the RX setup to 502.400 and am awaiting signals.
>
> I have to be out of the house for a few hours soon, but (of course)
> everything will be left running and uploading to the WSPRnet database.
>
> Did we track down the mystery K1JT?
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:45:51 -0000
> "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>>
>> I think the sensible thing to do would be to try it for a while, and
>> see if people report problems.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>
>>
>> >
>> > Are we to  adopt  502.400 Hz  USB dial frequency for WSPR ?
>> > With  1500 Hz audio centre band tone.
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>


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Dear Dave, LF Group

That is DCF39, a utility in DL, with around 40kW ERP. It is quite a good 
indicator for trans-atlantic propagation. The breaks are short bursts of FSK 
data.

The best QRG depends on what you want to collect. DF6NM is operating DFCW on 
about 136.309kHz at the moment. I will probably be running the WSPR beacon 
again in a few minutes on 137.5kHz. Other frequencies/modes can be 
arranged...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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I have a sig ( carrier with quick break ) on 138.830 ( dcf39??) that is 30db 
above my noise and it keys a carrier with a break about every 10 seconds 
with occasional short breaks, something like NIST on 60kc. but slower...

What do I have??

Where is best QRG for collecting EU ham sigs??



TNX

Dave - WD2XSH/17




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Hello Henny , Joe , LF ,
Last night , just a few small traces .
73 Jean-Pierre f1afj

henny van elst a =E9crit :
> Hi Joe and All,
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> henny
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John,

I think it is a combination of mother board and soundcard .. ran a test 
tonight

sound card
datong tune tone
pilot carrier

pilot and the datong trace fine .. sound card had glitches .. was also a 
little wider
so  going to re-has the pc looks like the old   isa/pci p111 1.1 ghz is past 
its date
hihi  . works fine on other data modes ... wspr seems to  be a little more 
critical

tnx- G ..

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From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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>
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:13:26 +0100
> Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:
>
>> > Just started WSPR again, and see a nice bright trace at approx
>> > 503.965 in the 20:40 slot, but again no decode. I see no-one else
>> > reported a successful decode on WSPRnet at that time either. Looks
>> > like still some problem?
>>
>> Could it be that the station that does not decode, albeit being
>> received strong, is not correctly time aligned ? Dimension4 is a very
>> nice tool for this. And it is also free...
>>
>> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Alberto,
>
> I think the time is okay on G0NBD's PC, as the periods that do
> decode show DT of 0.2 seconds, so no great problem I think.
>
> The decoding problems seem to be when the S/N rises above about -6dB
> as reported by the software, as I can decode him well when the signal
> drops below this level!
>
> John
>
>
>



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Alan, Mal,

Yes, same goes for me. I do agree with both the points that mal stated.

My education was quite different to today's standards & I also see very poor
grammar & spelling from younger people.

When I passed the morse code exam in 1983 I used the mode for about a year
but my failing was not to continue with it. After recently practicing in the
shack I find I can read 12wpm or a bit faster quite easily but I still have
the problem with my confidence sending. The old lady puts me to shame.

Gary - G4WGT.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
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Oh dear, I have to agree with Mal for once.
I'm fully with you there on grammar and punctuation in modern usage.

I know of one teacher who refuses and returns any written work that
makes use of Text-ese.   It has made her unpopular with kids and some
other staff.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/23 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Gary
> A shining example of what can be achieved especially by a disabled person
.
> It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad light!!!!!! on MF/LF some class A
> operators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I assume they are able bodied. It
> used to be that a class A amateur had an advantage over the general public
> by being able to converse in morse code, just like another language except
> it was totally international.
> Even a worse senario, a lot of persons today cannot write, the norm is to
> use a keypad and send text messages using some abbreviated gibbirish,
> grammar is not required, sort of pigeon english.
> G3KEV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary - G4WGT
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> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 4:21 PM
> Subject: LF: RE: Morse code lifeline
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Here is a video on the above subject at this link :-
>
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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>
>
> Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009
>
>
>
> The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 2009
>
>
>
> Quote-" A Pensioner who is almost completely paralysed has learned to
> communicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.
>
> Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his 79
> year-old mother to communicate using her knowledge of the code."
>
>
>
>  End of quote.
>
>
>
> 73  Mike GW4HXO
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John, Thanks for pointing me to the Cossor manuel. Isearched the net and 
found the manual so you don't need to send me a copy.

Thanks again,
Ralph



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In sorted out some of my testgear, I have found the above document.  Would 
anyone like it?

The equipment itself is is long gone.

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Hi Joe,
same capture with speclab.
Henny cpm
73s

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On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:08:45 -0500
<jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:

> WE2XGR/2 will be in WSPR mode tonight starting 2030Z on dial
> frequency 507.000 kHz.

Hello Jay, LF,

I've just retuned, to 507kHz dial, at 20:00 - I'm hoping to catch the
first of your tranmsit periods and will continue through the night.

RX setup is identical to the last test, same antenna/pre-amp etc...

Cheers and good luck

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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:35:59 -0000
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> Advanced operator G0AT. I will look out for you on hi speed wspr.
> 


Of course the rusty razor is only to be used for very delicate goat
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Gus wrote:

> Hi all,
>  
> any who know abt RS232 and WSPR!
>  
>  
> can WSPR program accept "DTR" as interface power from RS 232 port ?
>  
>  
> 73 de Gus SM6BHZ

hello Gus, LF
yes it works either on DTR or RTS lines ..
                                 73, peter, sq7mpj
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Andy, LF,

I have had no problems with the serial port PTT control of WSPR.

With a normal 9-pin RS232 port, on the motherboard of the PC, I use the
RTS line for PTT switching, via a simple transistor switch with no
problems. I've never looked at the DTR line, as I haven't any use for
it in my h/b interface, while running WSPR, so can't answer for what
that line does - but the RTS seems to work as expected.

Regards,

John






On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:12:52 +0000 Andy Talbot
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> I have (sort-of) sorted out the transmitter control problem.  While
> both  WSPR.EXE  and WSJT6 both refuse to properly control the
> PC-installed COM1 port, they do both behave properly with an FTDI type
> USB COM port.
> 
> So am running a WSPR beacon on 503.47kHz for a while.
> 
> Still intrigued to know why Joe's software won't drive my COM 1
> properly, whereas it works with USB based conm ports.  Whereas other
> software, including direct programming it from VB6, does allow
> complete control of DTR and RTS signal lines.
> 
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:39:20 +0000
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> Signal on 503870000mHz, 33% T/R cycle  being radiated now...
> 
>
1st decode was +1dB s/n

2nd dropped to -15dB

That's QSB for you!

Cheers,

John


p.s. Is there any chance of adding a more accurate (ie 6-figure)
locator to the database? I think the WSPRnet database stores the full
6-figure one when you report a spot, and then uses it from then on - as
long as you've set 6-figures in the software options. Only 4-figures
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with 6-figure locator we're stuck with the lower resolution. Of course
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Dear Andy, LF Group,

Some of the European beacons are also considerably higher than 1W ERP.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


> It was interesting, though, that for all that time the two Eu beacons
> around 505kHz showed stronger on that grabber than I did.  Possibly
> just an illusion as my signal was spead out and the beacons were
> concentrated on a single pixel.
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
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MessageLots of WSPR activity today...

                    
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73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
   

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=20
-8&nbsp; 2.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67&nbsp; 0&nbsp; F5WK JN18=20
37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>154600&nbsp;&nb=
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9 -11&nbsp; 1.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67&nbsp; 0&nbsp; F5WK JN18=20
37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>155000&nbsp;&nb=
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5 -22&nbsp; 3.4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48&nbsp; 0&nbsp; DF6NM JN59=20
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-10&nbsp; 1.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67&nbsp; 0&nbsp; F5WK JN18=20
37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>155800&nbsp;&nb=
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37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>160000&nbsp;&nb=
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4 -25&nbsp; 3.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48&nbsp;=20
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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<BR>160400&nbsp;&nbsp; 9 -10&nbsp; 2.1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67&nbsp; 0&nbsp; F5=
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JN18 37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<BR>160600&nbsp;&nbsp; 5 -22&nbsp; 3.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48&nbsp; 0&nbsp; DF=
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JN59 23&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>161000&nbsp;&nbs=
p;=20
8&nbsp; -8&nbsp; 1.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67&nbsp; 0&nbsp; F5WK JN18=20
37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>161400&nbsp;&nb=
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37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>162400&nbsp;&nb=
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23&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>162600&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
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37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>163200&nbsp;&nb=
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8&nbsp; -8&nbsp; 2.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67&nbsp; 0&nbsp; F5WK JN18=20
37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>163800&nbsp;&nb=
sp;=20
9&nbsp; -9&nbsp; 2.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67&nbsp; 0&nbsp; F5WK JN18=20
37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>164000&nbsp;&nb=
sp;=20
7 -21&nbsp; 3.7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48&nbsp; 0&nbsp; DF6NM JN59=20
23&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>164400&nbsp; 10&nbsp;=
=20
-9&nbsp; 2.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67&nbsp; 0&nbsp; F5WK JN18=20
37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>164600&nbsp;&nb=
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23&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>165000&nbsp;&nbsp; 9=20
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Dear Mal, LF Group,

The MBR6045 you have are Schottky types, which generally do have much higher 
reverse current than PN junction diodes, especially high current, large area 
ones. Diode matching is usually not very important in a rectifier, unless 
you are using series or parallel combinations of diodes. For a double 
balanced mixer, it is a different matter, though these probably are not the 
best kind of diodes for that...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Hi Joe,

Can you give us your TX details again?

TNX

Dave @ WD2XSH/17




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Hi John, I would like it.
Ralph
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In sorted out some of my testgear, I have found the above document.  Would 
anyone like it?

The equipment itself is is long gone.

73
John F5VLF/G3PAI

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I just set the rx to 502.4 so not sure what your actual qrg was.
and got tx details in IO91. Your signal  was vy strong and audible, all 
other signals had solid traces.
No one has answered my question, about why these signals do not always 
decode and produce a print display, in spite of the fact the signals are 
strrong. I keep the rx threshold to the recommended 0 to 1 db input.
I am checking wspr trace intensity against a decode and I am still of the 
opinion had the trace been keyed at qrs 3 speed or is some cases normal CW a 
message could have been passed more quickly.
Is lack of decode a TX problem or RX problem ie soundcard or software at 
either end. Observations from others are similar to mine.
mal/g3kev

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> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
>
> MOBMU now
> 192800 9 -13 0.2 -182 0 m0bmu 1091 30
> Jim is this what u expect
> mal/g3kev
>
> Well, nearly - if the -182 is in the "DF" column, it would seem your RX is
> set 182Hz too high.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>


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Jim
I realise they are Schotty but are they totally suitable for a psu.
Are u qrv on 137 khz cw. I am calling cq on 136.8 khz
de mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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Subject: LF: Re: rectifiers


> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
> The MBR6045 you have are Schottky types, which generally do have much 
> higher
> reverse current than PN junction diodes, especially high current, large 
> area
> ones. Diode matching is usually not very important in a rectifier, unless
> you are using series or parallel combinations of diodes. For a double
> balanced mixer, it is a different matter, though these probably are not 
> the
> best kind of diodes for that...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>


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I can see a trace on spec lab 23-26 . 23-28   hrs  but no decode ... may be 
a second tx as well ?

G ..

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>
> Hi John,
>
> I'm certainly pleased to read that! Thanks a lot.
>
> 73, Markus
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello Markus,
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> 1st decode
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> 2314    -23dB
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> WSPRnet spot page gives QRB as 1444km!
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> Cheers!
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> John
> GM4SLV
> IP90gg
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Hello Jeff,
I not found any email address from you and maybe you not receiving this
LF reflector mails, but however i try it.
Many thanks for calling me this morning after my QSO with DL2HRE. This
was a pleasure. Sorry i finished the QSO quickly, but i was short on
time. I will be QRV tomorrow monring and hopefully more often Sunday
mornings in future. Hope for some more QSO's with you. This was just my
3rd QSO on 137KHz :-)

vy73
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Hi Rik, Marco, Andy and any others who asked about the ts850 mod
=C2=A0
The info came from Bob Vernall ZL2VCA=20
=C2=A0
http://we0h.us/Amateur_Radio_stuff/TS850/ts_850_lf_tx_mod.pdf
=C2=A0
and yes, it does seem to fool the synth into thinking it is still in receive=
.
=C2=A0
The output (via the transverter socket) is=C2=A0less than a volt - hence the=
 PA.
=C2=A0
I feed a positive voltge into the transverter socket from the PA to activate=
 the=20
changeover relay inside the ts850.
=C2=A0
HTH - Brian (G3YKB)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

--- On Fri, 16/1/09, brian hodgson <g3ykb@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: brian hodgson <g3ykb@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LF: First Linear data qso G4WGT / G0NBD
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 2:19 PM






Hi Graham -=20

Make that 4! I've modified my TS850 to generate SSB at 500 kHz and use a hom=
ebrew linear PA to produce 30 watts peak RF.

Have been off air for a while during a shack rebuild and broken aerial but a=
m back in business.

Brian - G3YKB

--- On Thu, 15/1/09, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:




=C2=A0
G0NBD=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Refurbishe=
d Military and Marine=20
M0BMU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0His own design Li=
near =C2=A0class E system
G4WGT=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Classic lin=
ear HF/MF =C2=A0home made transverter
=C2=A0



     =20

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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"t=
op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Hi Rik, Marco, Andy and any others who ask=
ed about the ts850 mod</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The info came from Bob Vernall ZL2VCA </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://we0h.us/Amateur_Radio_stuff/TS850/ts_850_lf_tx_mod.pd=
f">http://we0h.us/Amateur_Radio_stuff/TS850/ts_850_lf_tx_mod.pdf</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>and yes, it does seem to fool the synth into thinking it is still in re=
ceive.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The output (via the transverter socket) is&nbsp;less than a volt - henc=
e the PA.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I feed a positive voltge into the transverter socket from the PA to act=
ivate the </DIV>
<DIV>changeover relay inside the ts850.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>HTH - Brian (G3YKB)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 16/1/=
09, brian hodgson <I>&lt;g3ykb@yahoo.co.uk&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: brian hodgson &lt;g3ykb@yahoo.co.uk&gt;<BR>Subjec=
t: Re: LF: First Linear data qso G4WGT / G0NBD<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org<BR>Date: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 2:19 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1961762961>
<TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 border=3D0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop>Hi Graham - <BR><BR>Make that 4! I've modified my TS850 to=20=
generate SSB at 500 kHz and use a homebrew linear PA to produce 30 watts pea=
k RF.<BR><BR>Have been off air for a while during a shack rebuild and broken=
 aerial but am back in business.<BR><BR>Brian - G3YKB<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu,=20=
15/1/09, Graham <I>&lt;g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">
<DIV id=3Dyiv188337199>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;=
</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB>G0NBD<=
SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Ref=
urbished Military and Marine </SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB>M0BMU<=
SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>His own de=
sign Linear <SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>class E system</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB>G4WGT<=
SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>Clas=
sic linear HF/MF <SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>home made transverter</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB></SPAN=
>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></DIV></=
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     =20

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hi All,
capture ua4wpf
henny cpm
73s
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi All,</FONT></DIV>
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Hello Uwe,very weak signal,correct decoding only one time .
 
090110 1804   3 -27  1.1   0.135976  73 DE  DJ8WX JO43
 
 
 
F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: 10m LF vertical

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> 192800 9 -13 0.2 -182 0 m0bmu 1091 30

What funny locator you have Jim... 1091 ???
I bet it is a IO91 badly copied by hand... {:-)

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Hi All,

 

Here is a video on the above subject at this link :-

 

http://news. <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm>
bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm

 

Cheers,

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Michael Probert
Sent: 22 January 2009 19:21
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Morse code lifeline

 

Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009

 

The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 2009

 

Quote-" A Pensioner who is almost completely paralysed has learned to
communicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.

Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his 79
year-old mother to communicate using her knowledge of the code."

 

 End of quote.

 

73  Mike GW4HXO

 

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Dear Graham, LF Group,

Remembering what I said jokingly to RA3AGC a few days ago about visually 
verifying a spectrogram trace of a WSPR signal, and the discussions of 
merits of WSPR vs QRSS, I thought this ought to work for diagnosis 
purposes - after all, WSPR is measuring the received frequency changes and 
the times at which they change, and in principle the same info is displayed 
by the spectrogram.

So I spent a "hugely exciting" couple of hours studying your signal with 
Spectrum Lab, and comparing it with a locally generated signal from my PC 
(which everyone seems to decode OK), configured with the same beacon message 
you have been transmitting. Eventually, I realised that the difference was 
that your transmissions are a few seconds shorter than the locally generated 
signals - in the attachment, the locally generated signals have the dark, 
noise free background. This means the transmitted sequence will be a couple 
of symbols out of step by the end of each transmission - I expect that could 
mess up the demodulation/decoding processes quite a lot. If you have a noisy 
signal, the demodulator/decoder might be using effectively just the least 
noisy fraction of the signal, with less timing error over a shorter part of 
the sequence.

To test this theory, I waited until about 1 minute of your signal had 
appeared on the spectrogram, then unplugged the antenna, so that the 
remaining minute was white noise. The result was successful decodes! I tried 
this 3 times, and it worked 3 times. So your signal does not have to be 
noisy in order to decode, there has to be part of it missing in order to 
decode!

So that might be why the signals don't decode - whether this is a problem 
with the soundcard, motherboard, or software is probably a question for 
K1JT! Still, a step in the right direction...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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You're welcome Markus!

It's great to see and hear you at this distance.

The 23:30 transmission decoded at -15dB

I see Jim also is on the band now, at -12dB 137.500kHz

Cheers,

John


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> Hi John,
> 
> I'm certainly pleased to read that! Thanks a lot.
> 
> 73, Markus 
> 


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I waited till past 7am Z but the past several frames were without a 
signal...

The creshendo, possibly grey line signal was about 30 minutes previous, then 
nothing...

Started copying you well before sunset here...

Throughout the monitor time, the proton density was above 10

TNX

Dave @ FN42pb  " Western Tower "




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:21 AM
Subject: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5


> Dear Dave, LF Group,
>
> Many thanks to everyone who listened for the WSPR beacons and for all the 
> reports. Over the last few weeks, 50 or so stations have copied the 
> beacons, in about 14 different countries, so a fair bit of activity has 
> been stirred up. It is nice to see that quite a large proportion of 
> reports have come from stations who  have not previously been involved 
> with LF/MF, so perhaps we have made a few "converts". This is particularly 
> so with 500kHz, where it would appear it is often possible to get quite 
> good reception by plugging a random wire antenna into a standard receiver, 
> so it is not difficult for people to get involved.
>
> I see there were around 40 spots uploaded from Dave, AA1A, through the 
> night, with the last one at 0646utc. Would be interested to know if that 
> was when the signal dropped out, or if that was when you went QRT?
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 



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Jim,

Thanks for the report .. that was the 'simple version ,

Ive changed to  the ex version now 17-45 hrs

pa looks to  be tripping ...... possibly some spikes in the audio
feed .

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> Dear Graham,
>
> Your sigs mostly inaudible here - patchy copy with both Olivia and Domino,
> solid copy in WSPR as you would expect.
>
> It has not long been dark here, so I expect signal levels will pick up
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>
> Wonder why you have selected Domino F im preference to the superceding
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> Cheers, Jim Moritz
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> Running  data mode , DominoF and olivia  8x250  , wspr
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 What is even worse is the demoralising effect on educated jobseekers on dis=
covering that their beautifully-crafted CV and application is being pre-scre=
ened by an agency recruiter who cannot use the language! This is especially=20=
galling if the position being applied for requires a candidate to demonstrat=
e a good standard of education. Example - a well-known national agency regul=
arly publishes advertisements for executive positions in which the word ther=
e is used in place of their. These are not newspaper "typos"! These appear o=
n the agency's own website which, on enquiry, they assured me was maintained=
 by "there own personle". Or, how about "Thanks for replying to are question=
s. You cv is now been sent to are client."=C2=A0 Add to those the almost con=
stant misuse, abuse and omission of=C2=A0 the apostrophe and one despairs fo=
r the future. One of the worst I have seen came from an establishment of "hi=
gher education.

(I do assure you that the quotes in bold are verbatim and the misspelling is=
 as received.)

73 de Pat G4GVW=C2=A0 =C2=A0=20


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-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:32
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Morse code lifeline










Oh dear, I have to agree with Mal for once.
I'm fully with you there on grammar and punctuation in modern usage.

I know of one teacher who refuses and returns any written work that
makes use of Text-ese.   It has made her unpopular with kids and some
other=20
staff.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/23 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Gary
> A shining example of what can be achieved especially by a disabled person=20=
.
> It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad light!!!!!! on MF/LF some class A
> operators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I assume they are able bodied. It
> used to be that a class A amateur had an advantage over the general public
> by being able to converse in morse code, just like another language except
> it was totally international.
> Even a worse senario, a lot of persons today cannot write, the norm is to
> use a keypad and send text messages using some abbreviated gibbirish,
> grammar is not required, sort of pigeon english.
> G3KEV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary - G4WGT
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 4:21 PM
> Subject: LF: RE: Morse code lifeline
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Here is a video on the above subject at this link :-
>
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Gary =E2=80=93 G4WGT.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Michael Probert
> Sent: 22 January 2009 19:21
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Morse code lifeline
>
>
>
> Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009
>
>
>
> The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 2009
>
>
>
> Quote=E2=80=94" A Pensioner
 who is almost completely paralysed has learned to
> communicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.
>
> Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his 79
> year-old mother to communicate using her knowledge of the code."
>
>
>
>  End of quote.
>
>
>
> 73  Mike GW4HXO
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> ________________________________
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<div> <font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">What is even worse is the=20=
demoralising effect on educated jobseekers on discovering that their beautif=
ully-crafted CV and application is being pre-screened by an agency recruiter=
 who cannot use the language! This is especially galling if the position bei=
ng applied for requires a candidate to demonstrate a good standard of educat=
ion. Example - a well-known national agency regularly publishes advertisemen=
ts for executive positions in which the word <b><i>there </i></b>is used in=20=
place of <i><b>their</b></i>. These are not newspaper "typos"! These appear=20=
on the agency's own website which, on enquiry, they assured me was maintaine=
d by "<i><b>there own personle</b></i>". Or, how about "<i><b>Thanks for rep=
lying to are questions. You cv is now been sent to are client."&nbsp; </b></=
i>Add to those the almost constant misuse, abuse and omission of&nbsp; the a=
postrophe and one despairs for the future. One of the worst I have seen came=
 from an establishment of "higher education.<br>
<br>
(I do assure you that the quotes in bold are verbatim and the misspelling is=
 as received.)<br>
<br>
73 de Pat G4GVW&nbsp; &nbsp; </font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Andy Talbot &lt;andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com&gt;<br>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:32<br>
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Morse code lifeline<br>
<br>






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<pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><tt>Oh dear, I have to agree with Mal for onc=
e.<br>
I'm fully with you there on grammar and punctuation in modern usage.<br>
<br>
I know of one teacher who refuses and returns any written work that<br>
makes use of Text-ese.   It has made her unpopular with kids and some<br>
other staff.<br>
<br>
Andy  G4JNT<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com" target=3D"_blank">www.g4jnt.com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
2009/1/23 mal hamilton &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal=
@talktalk.net</a>&gt;:<br>
&gt; Gary<br>
&gt; A shining example of what can be achieved especially by a disabled pers=
on .<br>
&gt; It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad light!!!!!! on MF/LF some clas=
s A<br>
&gt; operators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I assume they are able bodied.=
 It<br>
&gt; used to be that a class A amateur had an advantage over the general pub=
lic<br>
&gt; by being able to converse in morse code, just like another language exc=
ept<br>
&gt; it was totally international.<br>
&gt; Even a worse senario, a lot of persons today cannot write, the norm is=20=
to<br>
&gt; use a keypad and send text messages using some abbreviated gibbirish,<b=
r>
&gt; grammar is not required, sort of pigeon english.<br>
&gt; G3KEV<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ----- Original Message -----<br>
&gt; From: Gary - G4WGT<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@black=
sheep.org</a><br>
&gt; Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 4:21 PM<br>
&gt; Subject: LF: RE: Morse code lifeline<br>
&gt;
<br>
&gt; Hi All,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Here is a video on the above subject at this link :-<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Gary =E2=80=93 G4WGT.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ________________________________<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; From: <a href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>
&gt; [<a href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org?">mailto:owner-rs=
gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>] On Behalf Of Michael Probert<br>
&gt; Sent: 22 January 2009 19:21<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@black=
sheep.org</a><br>
&gt; Subject: LF: Morse code lifeline<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 200=
9<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Quote=E2=80=94" A Pensioner who is almost completely paralysed has lear=
ned to<br>
&gt; communicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his=20=
79<br>
&gt; year-old mother to communicate using her knowledge of the code."<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;  End of quote.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 73  Mike GW4HXO<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ________________________________<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ________________________________<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; No vi
rus found in this incoming message.<br>
&gt; Checked by AVG - <a href=3D"http://www.avg.com" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//www.avg.com</a><br>
&gt; Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1910 - Release Date: 1/22/=
2009<br>
&gt; 6:28 PM<br>
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Hello Paul-Henrik,

in my narrowband colour-DF spectrogram, I could see some activity from your direction starting at 16:18, and what looks like a 
continuous carrier slightly drifting from 136399.4 at 16:48 to about 136398.6 Hz now. The signal is not strong enough here for CW or 
QRSS3, but would be perfectly readable with 30 second dots. I have temporarily set the lower grabber panel on 
http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm to your frequency. If you like you could perhaps interrupt or slightly shift the 
carrier for a couple of minutes to provide unambiguous identification.

Good luck
Markus

Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
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Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ


LF, transmitting now. CW on 136.40kHz.

Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

LF, Hello all!

I plan to run a test transmission on 136kHz during Friday, Saturday and Sunday
night. The setup is very preliminary/temporary and can not be left unattended
for longer periods. The unprotected ATU has to be brought indoors when not in
use. We expect cold dry weather for the weekend so it should survive while in
use. The estimated ERP based on tests made yesterday is only 20mW. This figure
does not include absorption in nearby objects.

Initially the transmission will be CW only but QRSS3 with CW ID will follow as
soon as I have the ON7YD keyer software and interface set up.

Antenna: Inverted-L 15m high with 35m horizontal wire. 20 radials 5-25m long,
half of them terminated in 0.5m deep earth rods. Rtot estimated to roughly
100ohms.
ATU: Variometer + large loading coil
TX: Keyed 1W 50ohm DDS signal generator feeding a pair of parallell 807's in
class AB1 trough a wideband 1:5 voltage stepup transformer providing 80Vp-p for
the control grids. Classic parallel tuned tank with adjustable coupling coil.
Power output is measured to 65W at 810V/150mA on the plates.

Unless I receive other suggestions for the QRG that will enable QRM-free QRSS
reception for interested stations the frequency will be 136.40kHz.

I can not receive on 136kHz during this test. I will inform when QRV/QRT.


Best regards

Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD







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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:20:07 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

.
> 
> I suppose this shows that transmission of a frame is initiated by the
> real time clock reaching an even minute, but once started, the
> generation and timing of the bits in the frame is independent of the
> RTC,


And occasionally one sees spots reported at WSPRnet with an ODD minute
timestamp - how's that done?

John


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Andy,

no copy here at the moment (14:45 UT).
I will leave the RX monitoring for the next hours while working in the garden.
Look at wsprnet for eventual spots from me.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>:

> I have a QRP WSPR Beacon going on the usual 503870Hz frequency.     RF power
> is 100mW which gives an an estimated ERP of -6dBm - needless to say the
> reported power in the message is therefore wrong.
>
> Its operating at 100% duty cycle at the moment while the band is quiet - if
> anyone has probs, just give a shout here and I'll drop the rate.
>
> The WSPRnet database is showing Jim's copy of it at -29dB S/N, which
> compares well with the transmission an hour earlier when I made some antenna
> tuning tweaks and confirmed max power from the broadband PA as 140 Watts.
> Jim's report on that was +2dB S/N.   31dB higher and within 0.5dB of
> expected.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>



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Hi Pat,

 

Thanks for the additional info.

 

Also it won't break the bank if it doesn't work as they are not expensive.
HI HI.

 

Cheers,

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of g4gvw@aol.com
Sent: 10 January 2009 11:49
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: RS232 adapter

 

Hi Gary,

The only problem I have come across is using it with the "dongle" for
Radiocom 4 to control an Icom PCR 1000 Rx.
Otherwise there seem to be few problems. I don't think you will "break"
anything if you try out.

73 de Pat G4GVW

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Hudson <hudsonville@btinternet.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:05
Subject: LF: RE: RS232 adapter

Hi Gary,

 

Should work.

 

My PC has zero RS-232 ports so I have to use them!

 

73,

Lee M0LMH.

 

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owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [
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mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 09 January 2009 21:27
To: LF -RSGB LF Group
Subject: LF: RS232 adapter

Hi All,

 

This may have been asked before.

 

Will a USB to RS232 adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware
interface. My PC has only 1 RS232 port & no empty PCI slots.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 

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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Also it
won&#8217;t break the bank if it doesn&#8217;t work as they are not expensiv=
e.
HI HI.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>g4gvw@aol.com<br=
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.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Hi Gary,<br>
<br>
The only problem I have come across is using it with the &quot;dongle&quot;=20=
for
Radiocom 4 to control an Icom PCR 1000 Rx.<br>
Otherwise there seem to be few problems. I don't think you will
&quot;break&quot; anything if you try out.<br>
<br>
73 de Pat G4GVW</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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imes New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<=
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To: <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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use them!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Will a USB to RS232 adapter wor=
k OK with a
transceiver RS232 hardware interface. My PC has only 1 RS232 port &amp; no
empty PCI slots.</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>

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Hallo Victor

Met welke antenne heb je dat ontvangen?

Groeten Willem

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Weak copy of your qrp signal Warren,

73

Victor



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Some vy strong traces at present on 500 but only G4JNT is decoding.
184600 13 -13 -0.1-227 0 G4JNT 090 23
Andy does that help
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Hello LF!

Receiving YO2X on 505.8kHz here for the first time 1740UTC.

Transmission is CW/QRSS with the CW audible RST 319 with msg "YO2X KN05PS"

See attached picture for Argo screencapture.


My congratulations to the operator(s)!


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD

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Paul-Henrik, LF,

136.35 kHz is fine for me, it's probably just that the conditions may have
changed. I'll continue to monitor 136.35 for the next few hours.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Hello Dave, LF

Thanks for reporting!

Yes, that looks like me sending a longer CW ID followed by "TT" in QRSS3. Is
136.35kHz less suited at your QTH due to the local QRM? I can move back up
to
136.40kHz for a while if you think that helps.

73's

Paul-Henrik



Quoting Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>:

> Paul-Henrik, LF,
>
> I was definitely seeing traces of your signal around 1900 utc before you
> QSYd. See attached screengrab.
>
> No sign ot the QRSS3 on 136.35, yet.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Paul-Henrik
> Sent: 16 January 2009 20:47
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
>
>
> Danke Markus!
>
> I'm so positively surprised and if I had a bottle of Champagne it would be
> open
> now. These are very encouraging reports. Perhaps time to start building a
> more
> powerful transmitter now. The antenna is about as good as it gets on this
> property. An elevated loading coil could be worth a try though as the
> vertical
> wire is very near one of the supporting trees and I suspect some of that
> highly
> needed ERP is wasted in it.
>
> Will keep the signal coming for a few more hours, the PSU seems to do the
> job
> (PSU for my old retired Yaesu FT-250).
>
> 73's
>
> Paul-Henrik
>
> Quoting Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>:
>
> > ... this it what it looked like here at 20:18. Nice job with 20 mW!
> >
> > 73 - Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:18 PM
> > Subject: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
> >
> >
> > Dear Paul-Henrik, LF Group,
> >
> > Now building up to "O" copy...
> >
> > Cheers, Jim Moritz
> > 73 de M0BMU
> >
>
>
>
>






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Hi all,
dj8wx is xmitting at 135,975kHz in WSPR mode, pwr abt 50mWERP.
RX dial 134,475kHz (USB).

regards
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Hello Henny,

>Hi All,
>capture 137khz DD7?

DD7PC

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


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Tnx Uwe
I could try that method sometime.
tnx for the info
73 de mal/g3kev

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> Hi Mal,
>
> pse see also
>
> http://home.versanet.de/~uwe-jannsen/two.htm
>
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx
>
>
>
> Zitat von mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
>> LF/MF
>> I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using
>> two loops. Loop A is 40 metres perimeter vertical orientation, Loop B
>> is 190 metres perimeter also vertical.  Both loops optimum E/W.
>> I am using two receivers in this experiment Ant A to Siemens D2155
>> level meter, BW 20 Hz and vy stable, Ant B to Datong up converter and
>> IC746 250 Hz BW. Both audio outputs to soundcard/ARGO display
>> allowing 50 hz separation for observation.
>> Observing DI2AM at present and having calibrared this signal on both
>> RX outputs at a point in time, both signals are fairly constant but
>> more variations have been observed on Ant A - 40m loop, the signal
>> surges in strength and then fades down, whereas Ant B has a more
>> constant output with less fade.
>> More time is needed for a proper assessment and DI2AM is also a
>> strong signal. I would need a few long haul signals for a proper test
>> like Russian or USA .
>> Interested in MF signals at present.
>> This method would also work with a couple of small loops or a loop
>> and probe type antenna, then at a glance one would know how each was
>> performing, of course with the loop in the optimum direction for
>> target signal.
>>
>> This is just a simple setup, it works well and no audio cross mod
>> noticed, nice clean signals on display in spite of the fact that the
>> separation is only 50hz.
>> A nice balanced mixer would be a more sophisticated approach, that
>> might come later.
>>
>> 73 mal/g3kev
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


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Mal,

QRV 7033 now de Dave


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  ok Jay
  Nil on ur freq either also listening on 7033 khz for calls USA maybe Dave.=
 On 7033 can hear a K4 STN so there is propagartion to USA
  MAL

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    Looking...nothing so far.

    Jay

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      Hi Jay and Dave and MF=20
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:59:30 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Andy, LF,
> 
> Just got a decode on new frequency but had not changed WSPR settings
> so it will report incorrect for 1st decode.
> 
> Gary - G4WGT.
> 
>

And it looks like Jim's stayed down on 502 - being reported by Mark and
OH8HTG.

That'll please the nay-sayers - WSPR spreading all over the band!

Off out for a few hours, will leave RX running on 502.400

Cheers,

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Hello Lubos and LF,

Very interesting this observation, I also thought me of local QRM !
Very great activity on 137 Khz, (the grabber of Laurence in China
made in true "catch"! )

73 qro JeanPierre f1afj

Lubos OK2BVG a =E9crit :
> Jean-Pierre, LF!
> I had thought, that it was local noise, but then I saw it on your grabber=20=
as well. This noise started 02:10 and stoped 03:05UT.
>
> 73, Lubos, OK2BVG
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Hi Nicolas,

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The WSPR beacon version will upload to the spots page but the QSO version
will not, I believe Uwe is using the QSO version.

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Gary =96 G4WGT.

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Subject: Re: LF: DJ8WX WSPR

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The WSPR spots doesn't work for the LF band.

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Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 10/01/2009 19:18:06 Paris, Madrid, F4DTL@aol.com a
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Hello Uwe,very weak signal,correct decoding only one time .

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090110 1804   3 -27  1.1   0.135976  73 DE DJ8WX JO43

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F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: 10m LF vertical

http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/

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n">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: LF: DJ8WX WSPR</=
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=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The WSPR spots doesn't=
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=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Dans un e-mail dat=E9=20=
du 10/01/2009
19:18:06 <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">Paris</st1:City>, <st1=
:State   w:st=3D"on">Madrid</st1:State></st1:place>, F4DTL@aol.com a =E9crit=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hello Uwe,very weak si=
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decoding only one time .<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>090110 1804&nbsp;&nbsp=
; 3 -27&nbsp;
1.1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.135976&nbsp; 73 DE DJ8WX JO43<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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r:black;  font-weight:bold'>F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP<br>
<br>
RX : Icom IC7400<br>
Ant: 10m LF vertical<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/"  title=3D"http://lfistes.erst.=
azerttyu.net/">http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/</a></span></font></b><font=20=
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In sorted out some of my testgear, I have found the above document.  Would a=
nyone like it?=20

The equipment itself is is long gone.

73
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Does anyone know a source for hi current rectifiers. ie 50 - 100A at low vol=
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Strong signal Warren
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Mal,

I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector when I  
was 14 years old.
It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor detector.
And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I   
> have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the   
> opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was   
> used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC   
> broadcasts.
> Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable   
> to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these   
> bands.
> Build one and have a QSO using this RX
> g3kev
>



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Graham, LF,

I do agree that ERP is more meaningful & as Mal & Andy stated it is the
criteria with which the licence is approved.

My comment was to follow the WSPR recommended method as adopting ERP would
mean there are two "standards".

I ERP is adopted for LF then it should be international & not just UK, so an
official announcement by the main WSPR group would be required.
Comments please.

Gary - G4WGT.



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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 25 January 2009 20:29
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5

Gary,

I don't think a guard band is really needed as if you set the centre carrier

frequency to  503.9 , then operating at the extreme edges is not really 
possible, you're  right on the edge of the waterfall. the deviation is only 
round  6 hz

Re power .. I would say, the erp  is the most meaningful,  actual  power 
supplied to the antenna without the performance data of the array doesn't 
really mean too much ?

G ..

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From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:11 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5

>
> Hi All,
>
> In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top part 
> of
> the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a 
> 200Hz
> slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
> 503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.
>
> My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 503.550KHz
> data.
>
> Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 25 January 2009 18:32
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
> John,
>
> Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move 
> to
>
> the band edge without problems
> clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down
>
> With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a 
> reasonable
> concept as it will allow other 'casual'
> monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post 
> needed
> to  announce a test !
>
> What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or just
> sleeping ?
>
> G ..
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:04 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
>> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>>
>> Oh no!
>>
>> Please let's not get into this again....
>>
>> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
>> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>>
>> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
>> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
>> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>>
>> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
>> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
>> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>>
>>
>> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>>
>> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>>
>> John
>> GM4SLV
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Dear Klaus, Mal, LF Group,

As far as being able to provide the information required in a beacon signal, 
I think WSPR and QRSS3 are roughly equivalent - they will function with 
similar signal and broadband noise levels at the receiver, WSPR gives a 
faster data rate, but QRSS3 requires less bandwidth, probably an advantage 
when narrow band QRM is present. Both have been used successfully as beacon 
signals. But at the moment, there is no QRSS equivalent of the WSPR beacon 
software. This means there are important practical advantages to WSPR.

The first thing is that the process is automated. The signal is transmitted, 
received, decoded, SNR is measured, and the result uploaded to a searchable 
database, along with every other reception report from all participating 
stations, so the information is available to anyone in almost real time in a 
very convenient form. This happens by individual stations setting up a 
transceiver, running the software, and connecting their PC to the internet 
(Oh, and remembering to enter their station info in place of K1JT's!). So it 
is very simple to add your station to a network of beacons, and access the 
data generated by the network.

Using QRSS beacons, the nearest equivalents are the "grabbers", which are a 
bit more involved to set up. The signals currently have to be interpreted 
visually; with QRSS3, this requires reviewing 100+ images, each with 
potentially several signals for an overnight monitoring session, either as 
they are generated or the next day, a tedious process. Then a report has to 
be manually written and sent to everyone who might be interested. Visually 
assessing SNR from this type of image is not very objective at all (hence 
the "T M O" reporting system). This sort of thing can be done in software 
(there are plently of CW-reading programs, Spectrum Lab has rather good 
facilities for calculating SNR), but it does not exist in an easy-to-use 
package

Furthermore, with WSPR each beacon station can transmit and receive during a 
session, which roughly doubles the number of stations in the network, 
effectively . The availability of a large number of "channels", with 
transmit and receive intervals of fixed duration, but randomised occurence, 
means that little is required to set up the network other than to know what 
frequency range is going to be used. One could imagine something equivalent 
for QRSS beacons, but again it does not exist in a convenient form yet.

Finally, if a single WSPR transmission is decoded, you have a useful amount 
of information - station ID, power, location, signal to noise ratio, without 
any prior knowledge of the station, or other channel of communication. With 
QRSS3 beacons, you usually only get a callsign (or part of one). No reason 
you should not send the other data in QRSS3 as well, but it would take a 
relatively long time to get the complete message, requiring longer "peak" 
conditions for a marginal signal. In practice, you are often relying on QRSS 
beacons station publicising their details on the internet in order to 
positively identify them.

So overall, from a theoretical point of view, I don't suppose there are 
particularly great advantages to a WSPR beacon over a QRSS3 beacon. But in 
practice, WSPR as a package is quite easy and convenient to use and gives 
useful results with achievable power levels, at least on 500kHz. It also 
allows one to get a good night's sleep! There are clearly bug-fixes and 
improvements that could be made to WSPR, or other modes, but at the moment 
it is an example of the maxim "I don't want it perfect, I want it Tuesday!"

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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From: "Klaus von der Heide" <v.d.heide@on-line.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PROPAGATION WSPR


>
> Dear LF Group,
>
> we should clearly differenciate between all aspects.
>
> A propagation study does not need any information transfer
> via the radio path other than confidence on the identity of
> the station in focus. In that case, observing the carrier
> is best. So WSPR has no advantage over QRSS.
>
> On the other hand, WSPR has the advantage of automatic
> recording. But that is not an advantage of the mode, it
> simply is the lack of a corresponding simple program that
> does the same with a QRSS signal.
> 



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Hi Jean-Pierre,

thanks for the report! I was trying to locate an intermittent fault in the antenna system. Most times, I can go up to my full 200 W, 
giving 3.5 A (16 kV rms) without problems. But sporadically already above a threshold of  1 A (4.5 kV rms), some sort of partial 
discharge starts to happen, resulting in increased and erratically variable resistance and also slightly increased capacitance. It 
is accompanied by strong noise emissions in the FM broadcast band (which had been hardly noticable during several former instances 
of visible corona). With a piece of wire as a capacitive probe on a scope, a distinct and fast "ringing" is present on each rising 
edge of the carrier sinusoid. I have tried to look for visual corona in the dark and listen for the telltale sharp hiss of voltage 
breakdown, but with no definite findings up to now. At the moment all seems ok - Murphy's playing hide and seek...

Best wishes for 2009,

de Markus, DF6NM

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Subject: LF: 137.750 qrss3


> Hello Markus (NM)
> Good copy of your signal test now !
> 73 HNY Jean-Pierre f1afj



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Jim,

here is my night-long decode of the 503.5 kHz beacon:

215400   5 -16  1.0    23  0
220200   4 -12  1.5    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
220600   3 -18  1.2    23  0
221000   5 -13  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
221400   4 -13  1.0    23  0
222200   6  -9  1.3    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
222600   5 -16  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
223200   3 -16  1.7    23  0
223800   3 -18  1.0    23  0
224600   5 -12  1.3    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
225200   5 -20  1.0    23  0
225800   3 -21  1.0    23  0
230200   4 -13  1.6    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
231000   3 -15  1.1    23  0
231800   4 -16  1.5    23  0
232400   3 -13  1.5    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
232800   2 -14  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
233200   5 -10  0.9    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
233600   6 -16  1.0    23  0
234200   5 -13  1.3    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
234800   5 -16  0.9    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
235200   4 -10  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
235800   6 -14  1.0    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
000400   4 -15  1.5    23 -1  M0BMU IO91 30
001200   4 -16  1.3    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
002000   6 -15  1.0    23 -1
002800   5  -4  1.0    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
003600   6  -8  1.3    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
004000   3 -12  1.3    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
004800   5  -5  1.0    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
005400   5  -6  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
010000   5  -9  0.9    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
010600   5  -8  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
011000   5  -8  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
011400   5  -4  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
012000   6  -6  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
012800   5  -9  1.3    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
013600   6  -6  1.4    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
014200   6  -6  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
015000   5  -8  1.0    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
015800   6  -8  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
020600   7  -8  1.0    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
021000   7  -5  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
021800   5 -15  0.9    23  0
022400   5  -7  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
023000   6 -11  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
023600   2 -16  1.5    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
024000   6 -13  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
024400   5 -11  1.4    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
025000   5 -11  1.3    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
025800   4 -10  1.5    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
030400   3 -16  1.4    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
031200   3 -16  1.5    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
031800   5 -12  1.5    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
032600   6  -9  0.7    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
033400   3 -12  1.0    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
034400   4 -17  0.7    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
034800   4 -11  0.8    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
035200   6 -11  0.7    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
035800   5 -14  0.8    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
040800   5 -22  1.3    23  0
041000   1 -23 -1.4     2  0
041400   5 -17  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
042000   4 -18  0.9    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
042600   3 -25  1.1    23  0
043000   3 -19  1.5    23  1
043400   5 -22  2.1    23  0
044000   3 -22  1.0    23  0
044400   2 -23  1.1    23  0
044800   1 -21  1.1    23  0
045600   2 -22  1.1    23  0
050200   4 -17  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
050800   1 -28  0.9    23  0
051400   4 -21  0.7    23  0
052000   4 -19  0.9    23  0
052400   4 -15  0.9    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
053200   5 -16  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
053600   4 -14  1.0    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
054000   3 -20  0.8    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
054600   2 -19  1.2    23  0
055200   5 -18  0.8    23  0
055800   3 -22  1.1    23  0
060600   3 -22  0.7    23  0
061000   3 -18  0.9    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
061400   4 -20  0.7    23  0
062000   5 -17  0.8    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
062800   4 -13  0.9    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
063200   2 -18  1.3    23  0
063600   4 -20  1.2    23  0
064000   4 -19  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
064600   1 -26  1.4    23  0
065000   2 -25  1.0    23  0
065400   3 -22  1.0    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
070800   2 -25  1.2    23  0
074200   1 -27  2.2    23  0
075000   3 -26  2.1    23  0
075400   4 -23  1.8    23  0
080000   1 -25  2.1    23  0
080600   2 -26  2.3    23  0
080800   1 -23  6.1     2  0
082000   4 -21  1.8    23  0
082400   3 -23  1.9    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
084200   1 -27  1.9    23  0

Perseus SDR RX, untuned 23m wire antenna. Locator JN35sa

73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF



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> Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experimentation
> of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off the
> Internet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV.

       Several of us did exactly this last year (SSTV on 600m).
 The WE2XGR license (505-515kHz) 200W ERP can run practically any data
modes as well as ssb.
By staying above 510kHz we avoided causing QRM to other users of the
band (the others are all below 510).

Results were better than expected, my 100W (transmitter power out) was
copied clearly about 600mi away in Ohio.
I'm sure that if Bob WE2XGR/6 decided to run SSTV with his 200W ERP
you could copy it in the U.K.
-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:36 PM, M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi LF
>
 They say a picture is worth a
> 1000 words. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the
> world by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.  The result may be a bit more
> interesting than the shopping lists of stations worked, equipment lists and
> rig specifications that get churned out ad nauseam over the weekends.
>
> I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op friends
> would feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.
>
> No, the above suggestion is ridiculous. It does however, Einstein, Planck et
> al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum bandwidth for
> the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band?  I will start
> the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed with less
> than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then hand
> shaking could be introduced to ensure error free data transfer a bit like
> X25 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max.  We
> need to think outside the box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable modes onto
> 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co with all due respect to Alberto (who
> I admire immensely for his great innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT processing
> software) I think,  is over the top. Nobody is into book burning and denial
> of spectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play with here in
> the UK.  I consider myself a "grunt" operator not a highflying "Einstein"
> radio spectrum quantum mechanic, but I would hope we are trying to do more
> with less and I don't think Olivia is the answer. Whatever modes are
> proposed and developed, I would expect one of the cardinal points in their
> specification, along with very narrow BW, to be compatibility with adjacent
> modes like CW and the effect on adjacent stations not running that
> particular mode.
>
> In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming there
> are any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narrow
> band data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.
>
> Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground.
>
> Vy 73 petefmt
>
>


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Jim, Michel, LF,

Michel (F5WK) is now almost not seen on the WSPR & SpecLab display but the
signal is decoding fine. With the current settings I have reduced the
received signal strength but both are decoding no problem.

Earlier in the evening Michel's signal was quite strong on both displays but
no decode.

I have set the Rx to SSB, 500Hz filter & external tuned  pre-amp to moderate
gain. The antenna is Mini-Whip.

Cheers, Gary - G4WGT.



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 17 January 2009 21:20
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Subject: LF: RE: RE: OH1LSQ QRSS, F5WK WSPR

Jim, Michel, LF,

At last, I have played around with the Rx, filter, AGC & pre-amp settings &
I now have a decode of F5WK.

090117 2110  10 -22  0.0   0.137575  F5WK JN18 37            0     1    0
090117 2112  17 -15  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 2116  18 -13 -0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 2116   6 -24  0.1   0.137575  F5WK JN18 37            0     3    0

73, de Gary - G4WGT.


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: LF: RE: OH1LSQ QRSS, F5WK WSPR

Jim, LF,

Good copy of M0BMU as usual. I am seeing F5WK on the WSPR display but no
decode?

I have no idea what the 1870 is near the bottom?

73

Gary - G4WGT.

090117 1752  29  -4  0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1756  30  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1806  29  -4  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1814  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1820  27  -4 -0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1824  30  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1828  27  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1832  27  -6  0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1840  26  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1848  29  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1852  27  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1856  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1902  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1908  20 -13  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1914  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1922  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0  1870    0
090117 1928  27  -5 -0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1936  24  -8  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
Sent: 17 January 2009 18:21
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: OH1LSQ QRSS, F5WK WSPR

Dear Paul-Henrik, Michel, LF Group,

I just checked 136.8kHz, and OH1LSQ is a weak "M" copy signal here, just 
after dark. Will check again later.

F5WK appeared on my WSPR log at 1504utc, and has been solid copy since then.

In fact, the signal is audible here at about S3 or 4. DF6NM has also been 
copied until 1718.

I have now (1748utc) re-started the M0BMU WSPR beacon - any reports very 
welcome.

Cheers, Jim moritz
73 de M0BMU 




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T-Online eMailKlaus
Now qrv 136.8 khz de mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Klaus.Hager.muenchen@t-online.de=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:55 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: 137


  Hi Mal,
  try to be qrv from 21:00 z with my Ropex (136,52 kHz).
  Loc JN58 qb (nr Munich). Only CW - later in other modes.
  73=20
  DK1KH



    "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> schrieb:=20
    Will  there be anyone active on 137 this evening CW or qrs3.
    Take advantage of the DX season.
    mal/g3kev

  =20

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  Klaus Hager
  Bergstr. 60 - D 82131 Gauting/M=FCnchen
  T: +49 89 89308625
  F (nach Voranmeldung): +49 89 89308626
  Mobil: +49 171 6247228



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Klaus</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now qrv 136.8 khz de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: 137</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Hi Mal,<BR>try to be qr=
v from=20
  21:00 z with my Ropex (136,52 kHz).<BR>Loc JN58 qb (nr Munich). Only CW -=20
  later in other modes.<BR>73&nbsp;<BR>DK1KH<BR><BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;</FONT> "m=
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Take advantage of the DX season.</FONT>=
</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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Mark, Jim, LF,

I'm seeing Jim's WSPR very well, and also hearing it, and at a reported
S/N ratio of anywhere between -7dB and +10dB. The strong periods are
very red on the WSPR waterfall, yet there's no trace of a 100Hz
artifact, so perhaps it's a spurious product in your RX/soundcard?

I've used both a vertical (my old TX antenna fed via a 9:1 balun) and a
Wellbrook ALA1530 loop, and get good results from both, but no trace of
any 100Hz sidebands/spurii

Coincedentally I'm also decoding MF DSC at the moment (2187.5) and have
seen decodes tonight from Shanghai Radio and COMMSTA, Miami, so 160m
should be pretty good too?

Cheers,

John



On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:36:49 -0000
"Mark" <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Jim, LF Group
> Fine copy on my grabber / WSPR decode, now I have re-centred the WSPR 
> decoder. I had to change it last week to decode someone..
> Interestingly  sometimes I am seeing an extra faint trace from Jim,
> almost exactly 100Hz up and it even decoded on one over. It is much
> weaker (at least 15dB down). An alias / mixing product on my system?
> or is anyone else seeing this?
> I am not seeing any extra signals on the DI2AM beacon, which is  on
> average 10dB stronger than Jim
> Also getting occasional decodes from G4WGT
> Cheers
> Mark GM4ISM
> 

> 


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Hi Nicolas,

 

I thought that call sign looked familiar. You are coming in at 1838.140 KHz
on my WSPR list.

 

I am on 1838.122 KHz with 5 watts.

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Subject: Re: LF: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight

 

Hello Jim i am tonight on 1838.040 kHz WSPR beacon with 2W.

 

F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP

Dear LF Group,

I plan to operate the WSPR beacon again on 503.51kHz +/- RF (0.502MHz "dial 
frequency") from around 2200utc. Any reports would be very welcome.  The TX 
will be on 33% duty cycle, so if anyone else wants to join in, I should be 
able to give reports too.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



 

 


 


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WSPR list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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Group,<br>
<br>
I plan to operate the WSPR beacon again on 503.51kHz +/- RF (0.502MHz
&quot;dial <br>
frequency&quot;) from around 2200utc. Any reports would be very welcome.&nbs=
p;
The TX <br>
will be on 33% duty cycle, so if anyone else wants to join in, I should be <=
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able to give reports too.<br>
<br>
Cheers, Jim Moritz<br>
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No successful decodes last night. RX antenna still encased in ice and static levels were up...

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----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dear LF Group,
> 
> The M0BMU WSPR beacon went QRT just after 0900utc. Many thanks for all the 
> reports; for last night, so far this includes G3WCB, G3XVL, G3RMD, GM4ISM, 
> M0LMH, NL9222, F4DTL, F4EMV, F5WK, SQ7MPJ, TF3HZ and I2PHD - I think thats 
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:28:07 +0200
Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi> wrote:

> LF, Hello!
> 
> Many thanks to all that have reported and suggested so far. I will
> reply to you later. I'm busy setting up and perfecting things at the
> moment :)
> 
> New QRG as suggested by Jim: 136.35kHz

Hello Paul-Henrik, LF

I've been out of the shack all evening, until now, but set Spec Lab up
to show the frequency in question earlier. I'll check the 5-minte
captures later, but I can confirm visual ID of your callsign in QRSS,
on a quick glance at the screen. I haven't had a chance to optimise
Spec Lab on the new PC installation yet, so I'm going to experiment on
your signal, if you leave it running....

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John
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Dear LF Group,

The M0BMU WSPR beacon will be RX only while I go out to dinner - should be 
QRV again later tonight.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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What are you building with that high of a current rating? <br>
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Low voltage high current FET amp???<br>
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Jim, LF,

Thanks for running the tests. Interesting results. Much slower QSB than
I expected. 

I found no improvement using a tuned pre-amp, so left it out of circuit
from about 2300.

I've just done some MDS tests on my R75 using various combinations of
external and internal pre-amp. It appears that the external tuned
preamp is of about the same MDS improvement as the internal "pre amp 1"
setting - the MDS is then (feeding in via a few antenna switches and a
h/b 500kHz LPF) -129dBm. The R75 with no pre-amplification measures
-124dBm. The R75 internal "preamp 2" improves the MDS to -133dBm, but at
the expense of perhaps linearity problems. 


IPO MDS = -124dBm
IP1 MDS = -128dBm
IP2 MDS = -133dBm

IPO + external tuned pre-amp MDS = -129dBm




I suppose the tuned pre-amp might be beneficial at reducing the
amplitude of any intefering strong carriers, so in the real world it
may be worthwhile.

I'll leave the WSPR running in RX mode today, on the off chance that
someone else might have a go during daylight hours. Dial freq. 136.000,
USB mode with a 250Hz IF filter, centred on 1500Hz (137.500 carrier)

Cheers,

John



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> Dear LF Group,
> 
> Thanks for all the reports - The M0BMU WSPR beacon is still running,
> and will probably QRT at around 0100utc.
> 
> So far the reports this evening have been from (in no particular
> order) F1AFJ, GM4SLV, DF6NM, DL4YHF, F5WK, LA9BEA, F4DTL, DK6NI,
> G4FDD, F4EMV, I2PHD, G3WCB and IK1ODO. Many thanks to all - It is
> good to see some calls who are not previously "known" on LF.
> 
> I would be interested to try another 136k WSPR session during
> daylight - bearing in mind the long ground wave range on 136k, and
> the relatively low QRN during the day, I think results could be good.
> Perhaps this weekend.
> 
> John - your lack of trees is not such a bad thing on 136k, where they
> soak up a lot of your TX power. In the experiments I did about a year
> ago, I found that an inv L antenna that was nearly identical to the
> antenna I am using now except that it was in the middle of a field,
> was 24 times as efficient as my home antenna, which is surrounded by
> assorted trees and buildings ( it was 6 times more efficient on
> 500k). So you might not need a tall antenna to get a reasonable
> signal in your treeless landscape. True, I am also using quite high
> power, but then looking at the SNR figures on your spots, there is
> about 10 - 20dB margin over the minimum possible SNR for decoding. so
> you could probably get away with less power too.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU 
> 
> 


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Big CW signal on 500.500kHz.

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Thanks to all for the reports sent direct, through the reflectors and the 
'spots' sent to the WSPR database on Tuesday night. A large number of spots 
were recoreded from both the USA and EU. The biggest surprise was the almost 
continuous reception by GM4SLV with hardly a missed sequence over the 7 hour 
period.

Using the GM4SLV data from the WSPR database, I put together a simple chart 
of his received signal strength over the period. We all know how deep and 
quick the QSB can be on this band and the chart clearly shows this as well.

 http://www.w1vd.com/WE2XGRGM4SLV.gif

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 



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Hi Warren, hi Jim!

Thanks for Your replies!
This "icelandic" langue sounds amazing to my ears... :)

Last night (18./19.Jan.), after the "wow" expierence with a Q4-signal from 189kHz Hellissandur at 22:16UT, I was continuosely following the transmission from 23:29UT to 1:00UT 
(1:00UT wipe out caused by 177kHz DRM)

Signal was rather Q3 at the beginning of the period and rather Q2 at the end, the field strengh seemed to drop down over the timespan.

"Europe1" 183kHz switchoff at 0:03UT made it much easier to listen to.
It was amazing, how stable such a real DX on langwave can be. There where only 4 QSB-dips in the 91 minutes of observation, with only the last dip down causing loss-of-signal for two minutes.

I'd like to apply for a qsl-card from RUV :)

Have a sunny day!
Dennis






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> Datum: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:36:40 -0500
> Von: "Warren Ziegler" <wd2xgj@gmail.com>
> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Betreff: Re: LF: Iceland AM-BC 189kHz to Berlin: now strong (Q3)!

> Jim,
> 
>    Very nice for a TRF!
> Iceland is good here too, playing pop tunes in english at 00:35.
> RX Cubic 3280dsp
> Ant 2-turn K9AY (copied from F1AFJ's K9AY)
> -- 
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>                 WD2XGJ
>                 WD2XSH/23
>                 WE2XEB/2
>                 WE2XGR/1

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John wrote:
> 1.9mhz - now what sort of signalling rate can you get on 160Gm?
>
> John F5VLF
>
>   
;o)
Need a pretty decent antenna length for that, right ?
And just consider the 1/f noise in the milliHertz receiver - use liquid 
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Subject: RE: LF: RE: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
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Hi Graham, LF,

I am using 2 - Fldigi for Olivia & MFSK, TrueTTY for PSK.

I note that the MFSK decodes poorly whilst the Olivia is Txing.

I will try using 3 - Multipsk later if you are still running the beacon as
it is almost meal time.

Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 03 January 2009 16:49
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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

Ok Gary,

Thats the first odd report hihi ...psk was not supposed to be better .......

! doesn't look well for decodes at range .. i will try and add a few more=20
watts ..

are you running  x 3 multipsk at once ? the beacon text is :-

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk

Tnx - G ..



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From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:37 PM
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Subject: LF: RE: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON -=20
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Graham, LF,
>
> OK all copied here at varying percentages.
>
> MFSK8
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ea dKt  tp r=A2i=FAiik1kE Keonoe
> x'!etiwB Fa=F8oit"0i=FCTelt !cgne=CAW=A5 Dr gf ! la(  i:a =BEd=F5ie.Yp  a.=
t=A2 P=20
> ntiae=8Fyt
> rl k =A2gt s CDdo   bd
> CQ CQ V) DE...g0abd   8=A9x  ag0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ ..=B1t=DFnbd  g0n!d  g0nbw kkk =C4& =C4jt  =F6=CE  E.xg0nbd  g0nb=
d  g0nbd
> CQ CQ Jd  t E...g0nbd  yz0nbd   C=A9oLQ CQ DE.n ki=B1ngS =A7/  g0P%iKhk er=
 xu5ui
> i=B9a tyfbhttaq=3D  ih=C4iod  elmha n n E=A1tdi=A2nbeeue Ntotm=E2eNRxeca
>
> PSK31
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Olivia 8 x 250
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbj<"g0nbd  kkk z34QU
> @DK   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQXs[ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk Q cY9L,'6   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd
> g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  0}^)  g0nbd
> CQ C1@#Q DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk H1R7Y
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING=20
> NOW
> - 1615 HRS
>
> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in=20
> parallel
>
> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running=20
> on
>
> the same pc in beacon mode
>
> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference=20
> signal
> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>
> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>
> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>
> Running  3 mode beacon
>
> Dial set   502 khz usb
>
> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>
> 1250 hz   psk31
>
> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>
> Reports  welcome
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
> Io83LK
>
>
>
>
>



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Dennis wrote:
> This "icelandic" langue sounds amazing to my ears... :)

You can have more of it at www.ruv.is when the condx are down :-)

> I'd like to apply for a qsl-card from RUV :)

They do QSL! I sent an e-mail report with a short mp3 soundclip and got a nice
QSL in return via snail mail. The 189kHz station is sometimes Q5 here in the
winter. A K9AY antenna helps reducing QRM from the south.

73
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Hello Jean-Pierre, Uwe, and all;

Jean-Pierre Méré (F1AFJ) schrieb:
> If I understand well , I am very favoured not to have a more local QRN 
> ! for 9 months I systematically put at fault the jammer by making a 
> “tune” on 7 MHz before bringing the grabber into service each evening 
> ! The jammer was replaced and I am quiet ! But how long will that last 
> ? Now I manage to see the lines of the loran of Lessay (350km) in 
> qrss3 and they is super !!!!!
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
Ok, now I understand the importance of the "qro" even for weak signal 
work ;-)
Seriously, it's a small town, and I already use a neighbour's meadow for 
a remote VLF receiver (temporarily installed, with an UHF FM link to the 
shack).
I cannot expect to get permission for such experiments by beginning a 
"real battle" here, with either QRO or RegTP (german 'regulator')  
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Dear LF Group,

I shut the beacon down on transmit at about 1150utc. The receiver will 
remain on - currently receiving DF6NM.

Hope to be QRV again this evening - good luck to F5WK and friends!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Forgot to mention...

The correct TX frequency is 508510 (GPS disciplined).

Jay


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> John and group
>
> Thanks for the reports - I'm following the WSPR spot database.
>
> Transmitter power is actually 400 watts but that is not a choice in the pull down box. Wasn't 
> aware it supposed to be ERP. When the program originally came out a couple of us on 137 and 500 
> were using transmitter power so I've just continued that. ERP here would be about 40 watts.
>
> If you're interested, info on the linear amplifier in use can be found at 
> http://www.w1vd.com/9505MF.html . For non linear modes I use a combined pair of Class D amplifiers 
> at 1 kW. Info on that amp can be found at http://www.w1vd.com/137-500KWTX.html .
>
> Yes...500 kHz is quite a roller coaster as far as QSB is concerned - both on the long and short 
> haul. Transmitted WSPR about a month ago and got a few reports from EU but seems interest has 
> grown since then.
>
> Thanks again to all for taking time to look for the signal.
>
> Jay
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR/2 in WSPR mode
>
>
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Great to see you're receiving Jay too, now we need the others to QSY
>> up and join in, to get more data.
>>
>> I noice Jay you're reporting 500W - TX power NOT ERP presumably!
>>
>> That must quite a nice PA for almost 100% duty cycle at that power.
>>
>> I see some short deep QSB, dips lasting approx 3-4 minutes, and
>> relatively long periods of up to 12 minutes of good trace/solid
>> decodes in between.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:13:38 +0000
>> Chris McCarthy <chris.decibel@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jay,
>>>
>>> I will retune my RX from 502.4 to 507.0 dial freq at about 2200Z.
>>> Spots will be uploaded and appear at:
>>> http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=&sort=date
>>> It  be on all night.
>>>
>>> Chris, G3XVL
>>
>
> 



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Hello LF!
Only some traces of signal last night.

73, Lubos, OK2BVG

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Jim,

That looks to  of gone quite well , Gary has just wired me , there are some 
new stations sending in spots to
the wspr data base

only thing on the 504 signal .. the  quite zone looks to  be  only 100 hz 
wide , from  503.9 to  504
but I don't see any false decodes at the moment ( 2 hours running) so the 
splash is 'ok'

G ..

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> Should be fine with me - I expect someone will still be broadcasting on
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Hello Dmitry and LF
Yes ! it is WD2XGJ at 02:25 last night ( see picture )
73 qro Jean Pierre f1afj


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Hello LF,

I will run a wspr beacon on saturday's afternoon/night at the local radioclu=
b.
It's a portable like operation as the antenna has to be raised first,
hopefully the top load is already installed.

The transmitter is working in full FSK, therefore is able to run at 500
watts RF output (DDS + PIC controlled)
If weather's conditions are poor, output power will be lowered to 400 watts.
Calculated/guessed ERP around 250 mW

Frequency: 137577.77 Hz

Expected start at 16:00 UTC
Expected end   at 01:00 UTC

Reports are welcome, through this reflector or the WSPR Spot Database (the
club has a sometimes_working internet access)

73,

Michel Brunel / f5wk

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Thanks Marcus - Yes your right on the offset - Ill do the adjustment after c=
lose down -
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Im using a new (very) PC and attempted to cal using my normal methodology of=
 using JJY setting it to 59Khz and checking for a 1000Hz tone,  but this doe=
snt work on this machine. I have a global list of loran lines and indicated=20=
global clear areas that could be used on the spreadsheet http://www.kl1x.com=
/wwloran.gif which Ive been playing with so Ill use that to cal tonight. 839=
0 is the strongest and Ill concentrate on that. My second excuse (!) is Im u=
sing the SDR IQ and its long term freq stab isnt all that hot, especially on=
 HF using WWVH I can get up to 10Hz variation dependant on if I leave the un=
it on the window sill in view of the sun - now after the "divide by" it isnt=
 that bad down at LF.
=20
Really pleased to receive anything here given the semi industrial and "enter=
tainment" area in the City - the saving grace is the Golf Course one side an=
d that the antennae is us in the clear now. Another nice thing - if you see=20=
it my way, is all the satellite antennaes, LNB's cabling have been cut down=20=
by the local ministry, citing that they are illegal so I dont get any SMPSU=20=
hash or leakage there.
=20
Cheers.
=20
Laurence (waking up) BY3A-KL1X Bohai Bay China> From: markusvester@aol.com>=20=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:12:35 +0100> Subj=
ect: LF: Re: China grabber 137.777 for tonight> > Hi Laurence, LF,> > I have=
 tried to identify the LORAN lines in your display:> > GRI freq/Hz your dial=
> 8390 137 777.116 777.38 (strongest)> 8930 137 777.156 777.41> 7430 137 779=
.273 779.54> 9930 137 779.456 779.72 (weak)> 7950 137 773.585 773.86 (very w=
eak) (btw I never found this chain on 100 kHz)> > This would mean that your=20=
frequency scale is currently reading 0.26 Hz high. For comparison, the RN3AG=
C and F1AFJ grabber readouts > are fairly accurate. Thus "WPF" and "Y" do ap=
pear in China on their expected frequencies, whereas DF6NM produced only a s=
ingle dash > so far...> > Thanks very much for running your receiver and gra=
bber! We're sweating hard ;-)> > Best wishes,> Markus, DF6NM> > ----- Origin=
al Message ----- > From: "Ed RU6LA" <ed@dx.ru>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blackshee=
p.org>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:11 PM> Subject: LF: Re: China grabb=
er 137.777 for tonight: RA3YO DF6NM UA4WPF> > > Dear LF enthusiasts and Laur=
ence!> > On http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg now (20z)> RA3YO abt 137778,5> D=
F6NM abt 13777,7> UA4WPF abt 13777,4> traces only> > 73! Ed RU6LA> >=20
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Thanks Marcus - Yes your right on the offset - Ill do the adjustment after c=
lose down -<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Im using a new (very) PC and attempted to cal using my normal methodology of=
 using JJY setting it to 59Khz and checking for a 1000Hz tone,&nbsp; but thi=
s doesnt work on this machine. I have a global list of loran lines and indic=
ated global clear areas that could be used on the spreadsheet <A href=3D"htt=
p://www.kl1x.com/wwloran.gif">http://www.kl1x.com/wwloran.gif</A>&nbsp;which=
 Ive been playing with so Ill use that to cal tonight. 8390 is the strongest=
 and Ill concentrate on that. My second excuse (!) is Im using the SDR IQ an=
d its long term freq stab isnt all that hot, especially on HF using WWVH I c=
an get up to 10Hz variation dependant on if I leave the unit on the window s=
ill in view of the sun&nbsp;- now after the "divide by" it isnt that bad dow=
n at LF.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Really pleased to receive anything here given the semi industrial and "enter=
tainment" area in the City - the saving grace is the Golf Course one side an=
d that the antennae is us in the clear now. Another nice thing - if you see=20=
it my way, is all the satellite antennaes, LNB's cabling have been cut down=20=
by the local ministry, citing that they are illegal so I dont get any SMPSU=20=
hash or leakage there.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Cheers.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence (waking up) BY3A-KL1X Bohai Bay China<BR><BR>&gt; From: markusveste=
r@aol.com<BR>&gt; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>&gt; Date: Fri, 2 Jan=20=
2009 23:12:35 +0100<BR>&gt; Subject: LF: Re: China grabber 137.777 for tonig=
ht<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Hi Laurence, LF,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I have tried to identi=
fy the LORAN lines in your display:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; GRI freq/Hz your dial<B=
R>&gt; 8390 137 777.116 777.38 (strongest)<BR>&gt; 8930 137 777.156 777.41<B=
R>&gt; 7430 137 779.273 779.54<BR>&gt; 9930 137 779.456 779.72 (weak)<BR>&gt=
; 7950 137 773.585 773.86 (very weak) (btw I never found this chain on 100 k=
Hz)<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; This would mean that your frequency scale is currently=20=
reading 0.26 Hz high. For comparison, the RN3AGC and F1AFJ grabber readouts=20=
<BR>&gt; are fairly accurate. Thus "WPF" and "Y" do appear in China on their=
 expected frequencies, whereas DF6NM produced only a single dash <BR>&gt; so=
 far...<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Thanks very much for running your receiver and grab=
ber! We're sweating hard ;-)<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Best wishes,<BR>&gt; Markus, D=
F6NM<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ----- Original Message ----- <BR>&gt; From: "Ed RU6LA"=
 &lt;ed@dx.ru&gt;<BR>&gt; To: &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt;<BR>&gt; S=
ent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:11 PM<BR>&gt; Subject: LF: Re: China grabber=
 137.777 for tonight: RA3YO DF6NM UA4WPF<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Dear LF e=
nthusiasts and Laurence!<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; On http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg=
 now (20z)<BR>&gt; RA3YO abt 137778,5<BR>&gt; DF6NM abt 13777,7<BR>&gt; UA4W=
PF abt 13777,4<BR>&gt; traces only<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 73! Ed RU6LA<BR>&gt; <BR=
>&gt; <BR><BR><br /><hr />Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyab=
le with Windows Vista=AE.  <a href=3D'http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/=
direct/01/' target=3D'_new'>See how </a></body>
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Hi Ko,
thanks. did you receive the signs without any QRN/QRM?
73
Uwe/dj8wx


Zitat von Ko Versteeg <nl9222@xs4all.nl>:

> uwe-jannsen@versanet.de wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>> dj8wx is xmitting at 135,975kHz in WSPR mode, pwr abt 50mWERP.
>> RX dial 134,475kHz (USB).
>>
>> regards
>> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
>
> Hi Uwe
>
> 2004 -23  0.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2008 -23  0.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2012 -23  0.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2016 -21  0.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
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> 73 Ko, NL9222
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Paul-Henrik, LF,

Nothing seen over a 1/2 hour period.


I've reset to WSPR monitoring and will leave this running, uploading
spots to wsprnet, for the rest of the day.

Still seeing DF0WD and M0BMU at around -12/-15dB

Regards,

John
GM4SVL



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> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:43:21 +0200
> Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi> wrote:
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> > Hello LF!
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> > Transmitting CW ID + QRSS3 ID on 136.80kHz.
> > 
> >



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Dear Jay, LF Group,

I currently have 2 receivers running/uploading on 502.4 and 507kHz "dial 
frequencies". I will probably go to transmit later tonight, but am going out 
for an hour or two now.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jrusgrove@comcast.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR/2 in WSPR mode


> John, Rik and group
>
> Confirming that WE2XGR/2 TX is up and WSPRing. Will continue transmissions 
> until at least 0000Z and probably beyond.
>
> Jay  W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 3:12 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR/2 in WSPR mode
>
>
>>I moved up to 507 too.
>>
>> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>>
>> Quoting John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:08:45 -0500
>>> <jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> WE2XGR/2 will be in WSPR mode tonight starting 2030Z on dial
>>>> frequency 507.000 kHz.
>>>
>>> Hello Jay, LF,
>>>
>>> I've just retuned, to 507kHz dial, at 20:00 - I'm hoping to catch the
>>> first of your tranmsit periods and will continue through the night.
>>>
>>> RX setup is identical to the last test, same antenna/pre-amp etc...
>>>
>>> Cheers and good luck
>>>
>>> John
>>> GM4SLV
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>>
>>
>
> 



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No change Gary, in fact I sent an amateur 2 valve bases a while back to get=20=
him going on 137 khz.
If you read my emails carefully all  that I am saying is that to date all mo=
des considered there has has been no improvement over normal CW or QRS and v=
ery economical with bandwidth and signal transfer between stations.

I have no objection to any mode being used as long as it does not swamp the=20=
band to the detriment of other band users. This past couple of nights one th=
ird of the available band of 3 khz has been occupied by olivia plus other da=
ta modes. ie 3 transmissions running parallel, this I do object to especiall=
y when I was having a QSO with G3XIZ and almost swamped out, however I do ha=
ve good selectivity and did manage but I think XIZ and his experimental DC r=
eceiver was having a hard time. A data transmission or any other mode using=20=
around 200 hz bandwidth would be acceptable most of the time.
To be reasonable I have one suggestion. If someone is compelled to use a 1 k=
hz wide mode then do it after say midnight for a few hours.=20
This reflecter has a big audicence and I get a considerable amounnt of priva=
te emails agreeing with observations that I am making, I also get a few that=
 disagree.

As regards helping others this is going on all the time, and I frequently re=
ply to requests for advice with all  aspects of LF and MF projects.
I also get help, recently as a  result of a discussion about preamps two oth=
er amateurs reading the mail sent me the required chips at no cost and likew=
ise I do the same thing.

Most radio amateurs on here do discuss or argue their point in a civilised m=
anner but you must have noticed how HOSTILE or ABUSIVE some get when their o=
pinin differs from others. They lose ther plot go off at a tangent and start=
  attacking the individual putting forward a point of view.

I am not against black boxes for certain applications and have used them in=20=
the past ie PK232 and KAM., computer systems sound cards with the appropriat=
e software. I have a NOV for BBS operations GB7KEV and shifted the east coas=
t main line mail for several years into Scotland and beyond using a V/UHF no=
de network and gateway also on HF for worldwide mail exchanges. Main modes P=
ACKET on V/UHF and Amtor/pactor on HF.
This business has almost gone now with the advent of Internet access for mai=
l and traffic exchanges. The black box is ideal for the mass transfer of mes=
sages which would be a chore on CW.
I hope you now understand my point of view.
73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV

=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:03 PM
  Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240


  Mal,

  =20

  I admit, not nearly as many as you.

  =20

  But why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don't do=20=
it your way it isn't correct.

  =20

  I would be much nicer to advise & help others, don't you think?

  =20

  I remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me & it was good advic=
e, I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT.

  =20


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sheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
  Sent: 03 January 2009 20:48
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: Re: RE: QRS 240

  =20

  29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your score.

  g3kev

  =20

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: Gary - G4WGT=20

    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

    Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM

    Subject: LF: RE: QRS 240

    =20

    LF,

    =20

    Oh my god, he's doing it on 136KHz now !!!

    =20

    Gary - G4WGT.

    =20


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    From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bla=
cksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
    Sent: 03 January 2009 20:22
    To: rsgb
    Subject: LF: QRS 240

    =20

    Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot !!!=
.Think how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB on r=
he carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1

    g3kev

    =20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No change Gary, in fact I sent an amateur 2=
 valve=20
bases a while back to get him going on 137 khz.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you read my emails carefully all&nbsp; t=
hat I am=20
saying is that to date all modes considered there has has been no improvemen=
t=20
over normal CW or QRS and very economical with bandwidth and signal transfer=
=20
between stations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have no objection to any mode being used=20=
as long=20
as it does not swamp the band to the detriment of other band users. This pas=
t=20
couple of nights one third of the available band of 3 khz has been occupied=20=
by=20
olivia plus other data modes. ie 3 transmissions running parallel, this I do=
=20
object to especially when I was having a QSO with G3XIZ and almost swamped o=
ut,=20
however I do have good selectivity and did manage but I think XIZ and his=20
experimental DC receiver was having a hard time. A data transmission or any=20
other mode using around 200 hz bandwidth would be acceptable most of the=20
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To be reasonable I have one suggestion. If=20=
someone=20
is compelled to use a 1 khz wide mode then do it after say midnight for a fe=
w=20
hours. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This reflecter has a big audicence and I ge=
t a=20
considerable amounnt of private emails agreeing with observations that I am=20
making, I also get a few that disagree.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As regards helping others this is going on=20=
all the=20
time, and I frequently reply to requests for advice with all&nbsp; aspects o=
f LF=20
and MF&nbsp;projects.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also get help, recently as a&nbsp; result=
 of a=20
discussion about preamps two other amateurs reading the&nbsp;mail sent&nbsp;=
me=20
the required chips at no cost and likewise I do the same thing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Most radio amateurs on here do discuss or a=
rgue=20
their&nbsp;point in a civilised manner but&nbsp;you must have noticed how=20
HOSTILE or ABUSIVE some get when their opinin&nbsp;differs from others. They=
=20
lose ther plot go off at a tangent and start&nbsp; attacking the individual=20
putting forward a point of view.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am not against black boxes for certain=20
applications&nbsp;and have used them in the past ie PK232 and KAM., computer=
=20
systems sound cards with the appropriate software. I have a NOV for BBS=20
operations GB7KEV and shifted the east coast main line mail for several year=
s=20
into Scotland and beyond using a V/UHF node network and gateway also on HF f=
or=20
worldwide mail exchanges. Main modes PACKET on V/UHF and Amtor/pactor on=20
HF.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This business has almost gone now with the=20=
advent=20
of Internet access for mail and traffic exchanges. The black box&nbsp;is ide=
al=20
for the mass transfer of messages which would be a chore on CW.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope you now understand my point of=20
view.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <A title=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary -=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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ksheep.org</A>=20
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03=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240</D=
IV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
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l">I=20
  admit, not nearly as many as you.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">But=20
  why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don=92t do it=
 your=20
  way it isn=92t correct.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">I=20
  would be much nicer to advise &amp; help others, don=92t you=20
  think?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">I=20
  remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me &amp; it was good adv=
ice,=20
  I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed,=20
  why?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">Gary=20
  =96 G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <DIV>
  <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><FONT =20=
   face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=20=
12pt">
  <HR tabIndex=3D-1 align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
  </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US  =20=
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</S=
PAN></FONT></B><FONT     face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US     style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> owner-<st1:PersonName     w:st=
=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName>=20
  [mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName     w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</st1:PersonName>] <B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </S=
PAN></B>mal <st1:City     w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:p=
lace></st1:City><BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B=
> 03 January 2009 20:48<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPA=
N></B> <st1:PersonName     w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:Per=
sonName><BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> LF:=
 Re: RE: QRS=20
  240</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">29 countries worked on 137 all on=20
  cw. What is your score.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">g3kev</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE     style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BO=
RDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; MARGIN: 5pt 0=
cm 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTT=
OM: medium none">
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"font-color: black">
    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=3DArial=
       size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FON=
T-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><S=
PAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A       title=3Dg4wgt@ti=
scali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary - G4WGT</A>=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT=
></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-=
FAMILY: Arial"> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org       href=3D"=
mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FO=
NT></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FON=
T-FAMILY: Arial">=20
    Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN><=
/FONT></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt;=20=
FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> LF: RE:=20
    QRS 240<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN =20=
     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=20=
Arial">LF,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN =20=
     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=20=
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN =20=
     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=20=
Arial">Oh=20
    my god, he=92s doing it on 136KHz now !!!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></=
P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN =20=
     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=20=
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN =20=
     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=20=
Arial">Gary=20
    - G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN =20=
     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=20=
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <DIV>
    <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><FONT=
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 12pt">
    <HR tabIndex=3D-1 align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
    </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20=
      style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From=
:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT       face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US   =20=
   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A       href=3D"mailto:o=
wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    [mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName       w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org</st1:PersonName>] <B><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf=20=
Of </SPAN></B>mal <st1:place       w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">hamilto=
n</st1:City></st1:place><BR><B><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:=
</SPAN></B> 03 January 2009 20:22<BR><B><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bo=
ld">To:</SPAN></B> rsgb<BR><B><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subjec=
t:</SPAN></B> LF: QRS 240</SPAN></FONT><SPAN       lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p><=
/SPAN></P></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Its hard to believe that someone=20
    on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot !!!.Think how long this would take f=
or a=20
    QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an I=
D. I=20
    could read it at qrs 1</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">g3kev</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><FONT=
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
    <HR align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
    </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>No virus found in this incoming=20
    message.<BR>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <BR>Version: 8.0.176 / V=
irus=20
    Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 1:10=20
    PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
  <P>
  <HR>

  <P></P><BR>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG -=20
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2009/1/28 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:
> Hi Warren,
> capture xgj
> Henny pa3cpm
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Yes that funny mode is 559 up here
using the mk1 lug 'an' speaker !

G ..

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>
> Jim is 10 - 11dB SNR apart from the transmission at 1622 when there
> was a dropout of some kind in his signal
>
> Was about to say there's QRM on Jims signal (at 1639z), but its that
> funny on-off mode, decoding to his callsign  :-)
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/25 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
>> Dear LF Group,
>>
>> I have re-started the WSPR beacon on 503.5kHz (502kHz "dial frequency"). 
>> All
>> reports will be very welcome. G4JNT is still QRV - solid copy here of
>> course, with SNR plus a few dB.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>>
>
>



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Hi Jim

I tended to  see a better print from the wider system, but the propagation 
changed over the test, your original signal was quite audible from the loud 
speaker, in fact , would of been enough for a ssb contact !. both systems 
appeared to  print into the noise , this is a unnerving feature of the mode 
,  clear type from nowhere !

I'm not sure on the tone v bandwidth pay off, but a email to the code group 
may get a outline ?

Simon Brown's  drm780  has in the olivia mode a layered software search, 
that when enabled, array processes the recovered audio file and detects an 
olivia signal, giving the frequency offset and will apply this to  the tx . 
I'm not sure if it will detect the mode but may well do.

Best would test would to  simply run the two systems in parallel as the peak 
power required is not high to  ensure reasonable decodes /

Interesting night !

Graham,..

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>
> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>
> Thanks for our first QSO this evening. As keyboard-to-keyboard "chat" 
> modes
> go, this has to be the best I have experienced so far at LF/MF. The 32
> tone/1kHz sub-mode produced almost 100% copy provided the signal was
> audible - the somewhat slower 4 tone/250Hz setting was better still, only
> producing errors during short periods at the fading minima when the signal
> was completely inaudible and invisible on the spectrogram as well. I have
> always struggled to copy G0NDB before, but on this occasion we had a 
> fairly
> lengthy QSO without any great difficulty. I think the main practical
> difficulty for random QSOs would be knowing that there was a signal 
> present
> to decode - it would be sensible to have a calling frequency for future
> tests.
>
> I would agree that the 1kHz bandwidth sub-mode is too wide for routine use
> in the present 500kHz band. But it does not violate the present licence
> conditions, and I think it is an interesting experiment to see if a
> relatively wide-band mode is an advantage for selective fading conditions 
> on
> this band. Looking at the various menus in Fldigi, I see that Olivia can 
> be
> configured for any combination of bandwidth from 125Hz to 2kHz, and 2 - 
> 256
> tones (I tried it - you can have 256 tones and 125Hz, or 2 tones in 2kHz,
> although how well it works is another matter...). It would be interesting 
> to
> try back-to-back comparisons with varying parameters to test the
> possibilities of fast vs. slow, wide vs. narrow.
>
> Cheers, Jim moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>



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Hello LF!
Station "AGC" has appeared at 13:45UT on my monitor (DFCW 137776.3).

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Thanks Victor,

The signal on your screenshot with the strange "hook" at the beginning 
is DF0WD (operated by DL4YHF).

Markus DF6NM noticed me in a PM about the effect. I don't know what 
causes it yet, but may find out next time when I'm at the club station.

73,
  Wolf  DL4YHF / DF0WD / DK4U (on LF)
   Loc: JO42FD
   QTH: Spenge near Bielefeld
   Guesstimated ERP: around 300 mW ... 400 mW, based on comparison with 
M0BMU .

victor13@online.nl schrieb:
> Hi all,very strong,audible signal at 137.5 KHz,
>
> 73
> Victor
> PA3FNY



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Hello Jim, LF

Thanks for the update and information. I have one question on your comments:

> of noise in the middle is where I switched to the E-W loop for a while. I=20=
am
> getting pretty consistent 10 - 15dB SNR in 0.3Hz bandwidth with the N-S lo=
op

Are you saying you can/could actually copy my CW-ident by ear? That would op=
en
yet another dimesion. So far I know my CW has only been copied by ear within=
 a
300km radius.

Best regards

Paul-Henrik

Quoting James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:

> Dear Dave, Paul-Henrik,
>
> It could well be due to the increasing level of sidebands from Lakihegy, a=
nd
> associated Luxembourg effect noises. The attachment shows OH1LSQ mostly
> received on a N-S oriented loop which nulls Lakihegy quite well. The burst
> of noise in the middle is where I switched to the E-W loop for a while. I=20=
am
> getting pretty consistent 10 - 15dB SNR in 0.3Hz bandwidth with the N-S lo=
op
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave G3WCB" <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:12 PM
> Subject: RE: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
>
>
> > Paul-Henrik, LF,
> >
> > 136.35 kHz is fine for me, it's probably just that the conditions may ha=
ve
> > changed. I'll continue to monitor 136.35 for the next few hours.
> >
> > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
> >
> >
>




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Hi Henny , Joe , LF ,
Nothing also
Jean-Pierre  f1afj


henny van elst a =E9crit :
> hi Joe and All,
>
> nothing seen,
> henny pa3cpm
> best 73s
>
>  =20

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Gary
I got a decode at 192600 15 -11 0.5 -98 0 G4WGT 1083 27
I hope this helps
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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> LF,
>
> Regarding my WSPR settings, the power is not a correct evaluation at the
> moment. My Tx power is about 5 watts but the ERP will be very much lower &
> as I have not calculated it as yet I have just inserted -27dB.
>
> When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
> Sent: 25 January 2009 19:12
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
> Hi All,
>
> In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top part 
> of
> the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a 
> 200Hz
> slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
> 503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.
>
> My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 503.550KHz
> data.
>
> Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 25 January 2009 18:32
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
> John,
>
> Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move 
> to
>
> the band edge without problems
> clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down
>
> With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a 
> reasonable
> concept as it will allow other 'casual'
> monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post 
> needed
> to  announce a test !
>
> What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or just
> sleeping ?
>
> G ..
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:04 PM
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>
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
>> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>>
>> Oh no!
>>
>> Please let's not get into this again....
>>
>> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
>> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>>
>> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
>> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
>> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>>
>> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
>> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
>> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>>
>>
>> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>>
>> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>>
>> John
>> GM4SLV
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Hello Markus, Jim, and all,

Markus wrote:

> Yesterday I did basically the same experiment using an audio filter, and saw no difference at all in decoding 
> ability between full SSB bandwidth and a 250 Hz filter. I concluded (perhaps prematurely) that there is no blocking effect present.
>
>   
I do confirm that there is a blocking effect in the WSPR decoder, but I 
am not really sure about the details...
> Today I did another test by injecting an audio carrier from the Speclab generator within the WSPR search bandwidth. The "wanted signal" was F5WK signal at 1577 Hz with -57 dB below ADC fullscale, displaying -15 dB SNR at the time. I found that at a 1450 Hz carrier at -20 dBFS completely blocked decoding, even though the spectrogram traces of the WSPR signal and the carrier both looked perfect. Reducing the blocking carrier to -30 dBFS seemed to reduce Michel's SNR to -20 dB.
>
> In hindsight, and with the information from Jim, I assume that the out-of-band interference levels in my first experiment simply have been too small to cause an effect. DCF39, the strongest daytime carrier, is attenuated by the SSB IF filter edge to about -34 dBFS at originally 3330 Hz, which is then downconverted to 2830 Hz for the WSPR computer. So I now also believe that decoding might possibly be prevented by a 25 dB larger signal anywhere in the audio band.
>
> I guess I will need to play more with this tomorrow.
>
>   
... similar findings here, but they are difficult to sort out. In the 
meantime I was able to improve the readability of Jim's and Michel's 
signal by *carefully* narrowing the IF filter, to give the decoder less 
out-of-band signal energy to chew on :

2152 -20  0.0   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2152 -21  0.1   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37
2158 -23 -0.2   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2158 -26  0.0   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37
  < at this point I modified the filter settings (*) et voila : >
2210 -14 -0.3   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2210 -12  0.0   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37
2216 -14 -0.1   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2216 -11  0.1   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37
2222 -11  0.1   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37

But drawing any conclusion may be premature - some neighbour may simply 
have switched off his local QRM generator.
My impression is that some processing stages within the WSPR decoder 
lack dynamic range, or the FFT has significant leakage, or some part of 
the calculation is done with short integer values (instead of double 
precision floating point values). The decoder is open source, but 
lacking any knowledge of the Fortran programming language, I won't try 
to understand the algorithms.

(*) what I did with the TS850 was switch back to SSB filters in both 
banks, but use the passband tuning to narrow the frequency range, 
carefully watching on the broadband spectrogram. The high-pitched tone 
from DCF and some other, "local" carriers are almost unaudible now, and 
WSPR seems to be happy about that.  Early today, on the club station, 
the narrow preselector in the LF transverter has done a similar job.

73,
  Wolf DL4YHF  ...-.-



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Rik, LF,

I failed to mention Dave's grabber is OK with me at :-
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Dear all,

for various reasons (busy, antenna down due to construction) I haven't  
been active during the past 2 months.
Today I re-installed the (improved) antenna. The work paid off,  
antenna current is up from 2.4 A to 2.8 A.
But as I tried the grabbers some seemed to have gone or moved. G3YXM  
and GM4ISM are still where they used to be, but I couldn't find G4WGT  
and GM4SLV.
Googling them didn't help (lot's of hits but all to dead links).

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Hi!

Really nice radio reception of Hellissandur 189kHz AM now in Berlin! 
distance is 2505km
Power 300kW
RX: TRF with MK484-IC,
selection: one bandfilter and tuned antenna = 3 tuned cicuits

I admit that I was out on the balcony after local midnight last night.
Using a ladder and a looong fishing rod I managed to set up a wire loop 
from the balcony into the nearby tree with an estimated area 
of 30sqm (irregular shape), pointing Iceland.

Good night!
Dennis


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Mal,

Thanks for info, but I will be QRV on LF at Sunday morning at the same time
as Heinz, OE5EEP;

best  73 de Gerhard  /  DK6NI

 

 

  _____  

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Betreff: Re: LF: 137

 

Gerhard

Nil hrd so far at 0900 utc this morning. Now qrv on 136.8 khz cw

mal/g3kev

 

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From: Beckmann, <mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de>  Gerhard 

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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:46 PM

Subject: AW: LF: 137

 

Hello Heinz,

 

I also will be QRV on 136.5 kHz next Sunday morning and try to call you (if
weather is not too bad regarding my outdoor-loading coil, hi) 

We had already some QSO's on LF some years ago (hi).

Hopefully that the LF-activities are increasing...

 

vy 73 de Gerhard  /  DK6NI

 

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Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von H. Schnait
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this should be 136.5kHz of course...

73 Heinz

Heinz Schnait schrieb: 

I will be QRV on 137.5kHz in regular CW on Sunday morning, abt. 08.00 -
11.00 UTC

Heinz, OE5EEP

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext'>Gerhard</span></fo=
nt><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></=
font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext'>Nil hrd so far at=20=
0900 utc this
morning. Now qrv on 136.8 khz cw</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span styl=
e=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext'>mal/g3kev</span></=
font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></f=
ont></p>

</div>

<blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0=
cm 0cm 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bo=
ttom:5.0pt'>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext'>----- Original Mes=
sage ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div style=3D'font-color:black'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=3D2 color=
=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;colo=
r:windowtext; font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=
=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;colo=
r:windowtext'> <a href=3D"mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de" title=3D"beck=
mann.erlangen@freenet.de">Beckmann,
Gerhard</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>T=
o:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:windowtext'> <a href=3D"mailto=
:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_l=
f_group@blacksheep.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>C=
c:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:windowtext'> <a href=3D"mailto=
:h_schnait@a1.net" title=3D"h_schnait@a1.net">'H.
Schnait'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>S=
ent:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:windowtext'> Friday, January 2=
3, 2009 9:46 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>S=
ubject:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:windowtext'> AW: LF: 137<o:p=
></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></f=
ont></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hello Heinz,<o:p></o:p><=
/span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I also will be=20=
QRV on
136.5 kHz next Sunday morning and try to call you (if weather is not too bad
regarding my outdoor-loading coil, hi) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We had already=20=
some
QSO&#8217;s on LF some years ago (hi).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hopefully that=20=
the
LF-activities are increasing&#8230;..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>vy 73 de Gerhar=
d&nbsp;
/&nbsp; DK6NI<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<=
/span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy fac=
e=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;col=
or:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<div>

<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font size=
=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;=
color:windowtext'>

<hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabIndex=3D-1>

</span></font></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'=
>Von:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; color:windowtext'> <a href=3D"mail=
to:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a=
>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>H. Schnait<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Freitag, 23. Januar=
 2009
16:49<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"o=
n">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: LF: 137</span></=
font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</font></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>this should be 136.5kHz of course...<br>
<br>
73 Heinz<br>
<br>
Heinz Schnait schrieb: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3 color=3Db=
lack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I will be QRV=
 on 137.5kHz
in regular CW on Sunday morning, abt. 08.00 - 11.00 UTC<br>
<br>
Heinz, OE5EEP<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;=
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<hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter>

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span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext'><br>
No virus found in this incoming message.<br>
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <br>
Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1910 - Release Date: 1/22/2009
6:28 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Hello LF,

I'm seeing really strong signals from G0NBD, and it was decoding
earlier, but now I seem to be unable to get a decode from what should
be a good string (positive S/N ratio) signal.

I see at WSPRnet that Graham is not being received by quite as many
stations as I'd have expected. I wonder if there's some strangeness
with the soundcard sample rates at either the TX or RX end? I've read
some reports that strong signals often don't decode, when weak ones are
fine, and sample rates are involved?

Graham, the signal is making it here, bright red on the waterfall, but
the last 3 periods have failed to decode. 

John


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Fine Jim,

Did you save a copy of the text ?

When you say the fec took longer to  recover , was that at the expense of 
missing text ?

I assume that the system is not quite as robust as  olivia if you where not 
seeing 100%
decodes? But at the data rate , that might be a miss observation ?

 I had a couple of qso's with olivia on 7 mhz last night  8x250 it did 
produce quite a good copy in qsb and recovered
very quickly .. may be a little wide for 7 mhz  but with the shaped 
modulation envelope,
very  little spread. the data rate is 'just' qso  speed

Thanks for standing by

Graham ..




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From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:23 AM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: LF: DominoEX and FEC

> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>
> Quite interesting to watch the two modes (BTW, the continuous text gives a
> much better comparison, thanks). At present, signal strength has improved 
> a
> lot, and both signals are clearly audible between fades, which are 20dB or
> more (see attachment). When near maximum, both modes print almost 100%; 
> the
> FEC version corrects the occasional error due to static cracks and pops, 
> so
> has fewer errors, but throughput is only half. When there are bigger
> crashes, errors appear in the FEC copy as well, and it seems to take 
> longer
> for FEC to "recover", so there are also more gaps in the copy, although
> probably less actual printed errors. It also seems to take longer for the
> FEC mode to recover after a deep fade. So the FEC does something, but in
> this implementation, not really what you want... I suspect it would be 
> more
> advantageous to go to the narrower-band Domino EX4 sub-mode rather than 
> use
> the FEC.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>



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Hello Jim, LFers,

I've got my 1200 foot longwire aimed at you and will be listening
and watching for any "whispers" coming across the pond.  I see
that Andy tried last evening, so he'll likely be on tonite too.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle




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Mal, LF,

Thanks for the report Mal.

The best I can make of the ERP with the antenna current right at the bottom
of the meter scale, antenna dimensions & the ERP spread sheet is 2 mW ERP.

It has to be very low as my antenna is just a 9 metre vertical at the moment
with capacity hat & 5 watts Tx power.

I am very surprised & pleased that it is going so well. It just shows how
well this weak signal mode performs.

73

Gary - G4WGT.



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Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5

Gary
I got a decode at 192600 15 -11 0.5 -98 0 G4WGT 1083 27
I hope this helps
mal/g3kev

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Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5


> LF,
>
> Regarding my WSPR settings, the power is not a correct evaluation at the
> moment. My Tx power is about 5 watts but the ERP will be very much lower &
> as I have not calculated it as yet I have just inserted -27dB.
>
> When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
> Sent: 25 January 2009 19:12
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
> Hi All,
>
> In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top part 
> of
> the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a 
> 200Hz
> slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
> 503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.
>
> My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 503.550KHz
> data.
>
> Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 25 January 2009 18:32
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
> John,
>
> Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move 
> to
>
> the band edge without problems
> clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down
>
> With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a 
> reasonable
> concept as it will allow other 'casual'
> monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post 
> needed
> to  announce a test !
>
> What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or just
> sleeping ?
>
> G ..
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:04 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
>> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>>
>> Oh no!
>>
>> Please let's not get into this again....
>>
>> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
>> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>>
>> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
>> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
>> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>>
>> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
>> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
>> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>>
>>
>> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>>
>> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>>
>> John
>> GM4SLV
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>
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>
>
>


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Dear all,

last night I tried receiving WSPR using WSJT7.
It works fine, but I cannot find any "upload button".
Does WSJT7 (in WSPR mode) have an upload function ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Dear Hans-Albrecht,

good to hear from You.

But obviously You have missed us! In the Munich area DK1KH, DK6NI
(Erlangen), OE5ODL and me have been around in normal CW for one and a
half hour today (6. Jan 2009), 09.30 to 11.00 UTC! We even got a rapport
from Plauen by telephone.

HW?

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB


"Hans-Albrecht Haffa" <dk8nd@web.de> schrieb:
> Dear Mal,
> it seems for me, that Our band 136k is not anymore a challenge for us. I know that I have no more contacts 
> with DK 7 SU on Sunday morning, but now, as on new qth my station is qrv again I have tgried it little, 
> as there is nearly no activity in southern Germany. In good times there was qrss-cw and cw-activity 
> some times a week, and sunday morning too. I wish less beaconing, more experiments and two-way contacts.
> 
> 55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND
> near Stuttgart JN48HQ
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> > Gesendet: 12.12.08 19:59:57
> > An: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Betreff: LF: 137 khz
> 
> I listen on 137 khz at times for CW acty and have not hrd any for a 
> > long time. I do not listen for qrs.
> > A few years ago an effort was made to put out a good CW signal and I 
> > have worked 30 countries including Russia for example.Now is seems to 
> > be
> >  LAZY MANS CW ONLY. What has gone wrong ?
> > G3KEV
> > 
> > 
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Dear Graham, LF Group,

Monitored your beacon with 2 x Fldigi and 1 x Spectrum Lab. It is a bit hard 
to make a comparison, since the transmissions don't always overlap, and the 
signal level is constantly changing. (For future tests I would suggest a 
longer text would make for better comparison.) But the two modes seem 
roughly equivalent as far as likelihood of decoding successfully is 
concerned, although the MFSK8 has a faster throughput than Olivia, I think. 
Both were more or less 100% copy at the peaks of signal strength, and 
dropping out completely at the bottom of the dips. The QSB seems to be 
particularly fast at the moment, with signals sometimes dropping out 
completely and returning within 30s.

G4JNT says the Olivia signal looks brighter on a spectrogram... funny, for 
me it was the other way round...

BTW, re your earlier e-mail; both these modes are M-FSK modulation with 
constant amplitude (not if you TX both at the same time of course!), so no 
linear required in either case. PSK31 needs envelope shaping though.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Thanx Uwe, we will listen.
 
F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP


Hi Jim, Markus et all,

Im so sri I had to switch off the TX and  all other equipment so sudden,
but it happened somewhat like an accident in  the house (stairway fall).

dj8wx will be on the air agn from 1700UTC  until 2200UTC, qrg 135.975kHz,
mode WSPR, with abt 80mWERP (30mW  extra for Nicolas).

best  regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv





F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010

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capture agc
henny cpm
73s
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mal hamilton wrote:
> Alberto if you understood the dih-dah code you would think different, it is 
> more skilled than an appliance black box, press button A or B etc.

I understand dih-dah-dih. I used it for many years when I was young.
I am licensed since 1966. But then I grew up and moved on.

73  Alberto  I2PHD



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On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:35:48 -0500
<jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:

> John, Rik and group
> 
> Confirming that WE2XGR/2 TX is up and WSPRing. Will continue
> transmissions until at least 0000Z and probably beyond.


1st decode at 21:22 -28dB

Some faint traces visible on prior periods.

Looking good for the rest of the evening,

John


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Were are now back to hostilities and abuse instead of sticking to the 
subject and having a poinnt of  view.
Let us all have your ANSWER.
G3KEV

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> mal hamilton wrote:
>
>> I already know all the answers.
>
> Yes, as you've told us many many many many times.....
>
>


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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:22:24 -0000
"Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Operators with correctly fabricated engineering elegant antenna
> systems and modest power levels have in fact crossed the Atlantic 

Gary, congratulations - a Transatlantic crossing on 2mW ERP - your
antenna must be correctly fabricated and elegantly designe - hi!

Great result!

John



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 No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz.

73 DJ1ZB


 "M0FMT" <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb: 
Hi Mal and LF

I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope detector. A
true CW man, I would have thought, should only entertain the use of a
Cohere detector!

Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a range
136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a
much lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.

http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm

73 pefmt


 


--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM


Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info from the
web.
g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


310113517964   E bay too

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
writes:
Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have
had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to
submit a cct I will await replies. This method was used successfully  at
Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to
MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.
Build one and have a QSO using this RX
g3kev




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&nbsp;"M0FMT" &lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt; schrieb:
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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top"  ><DIV>Hi Mal and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am disapointed in you Mal to be&nbsp;considering an envelope
detector. A true CW man, I would have thought,&nbsp;should only
entertain the use of a Cohere detector!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a
range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work
over a much lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.</DIV>
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<DIV><A             href="http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm"          >http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm</A></DIV>
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<DIV>73 pefmt</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton
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&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR>To:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone
construction. Not info from the web.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 06, 2009
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<DIV>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too</DIV>
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<DIV>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" &lt;<A   href="mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net"   target=_blank rel=nofollow >g3kevmal@talktalk.net</A>&gt;
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence
wire RX a while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To
give&nbsp;others the opportunity&nbsp;to submit a cct I will await
replies. This method&nbsp;was used successfully &nbsp;at
Coldiz&nbsp;and
other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Let us know how you would approach the
subject. This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time
were receicved on these bands.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Build one and have a QSO using this
RX</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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Hi agn Dave
After research I see u are AA1A in Main. You had fb copy on my signal, surpr=
isingly Jay saw nothing, although I had copied him OOO
Can you TX for a qso if so let me know when.
I often copy your signal on 500 khz audible and strong at times.WD2XSH/17. W=
e could possibly have a norm CW QSO.
Tnx agn for the photos and report=20
de mal/g3kev/IO94SH

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: dave.riley3=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09 AM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Mal,

  Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


  73s from Dave




  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
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  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Jay
  Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and agn=
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  It looks ok so far.
  mal
  g3kev


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Dear Wolf, LF Group,

I have not worked it out in detail yet, but I think ERP here is around 300mW 
with the lowered antenna, and 700mW with the antenna raised.

DL3ZID has not been visible here yet; I guess he is running QRP. I think in 
order to be displayed in the WSPRnet database, the message format has to be 
[call] [ locator] [power in dBm] - the last two are missing from the decodes 
you posted.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Hello Jim,

Thanks for the info. What is your actual ERP then, with the lowered antenna 
?



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Hi Lubos, hi LF group!

I'm still observing the RUV Radio Iceland AM transmitter on 189kHz from time to time. Nice to get a propagation feeling for this path :)

qrb Hellissandur -> Berlin city JO62RM is 2505km
rx-ant ab. 20sqm loop 10m agl
rx simple TRF

sample from "the night before" 30.Jan.9  0:12UT - 01:00UT
peak Q4, qsb down to zero, unstable all the time

sample from "this night" 31.Jan.9  0:04UT - 01:00UT
stable Q4, quite strong, only one "shallow" qsb for 2-3min to Q3

Seems to be consistent with Your observations.

Have a nice weekend
Dennis 
DL6NVC




 


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:27:05 +0100
> Von: Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Betreff: LF: XGL_WPF

> 
> Hello Warren, Anatolij, LF!
> There were quite different conditions as the one night before. Morning RX
> window was  not strong, but one FB window around midnight UT.
> XGJ is still running with low-power? UFB signal this night!
>  
> Lubos, OK2BVG
> 
















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GM4SLV wrote:
 
> There was much discussion on the WSPR forum on the merits or otherwise
> of this approach, in the HF sphere at least.
> 
> It might be easier if we adopted the same approach as is recommended
> for HF use - to report the actual TX power, not ERP.

This does not follow. On the HF bands the ERP is close to RF power, 
especially on the bands where WSPR is popular, and can therefore be 
used a a rough approximation. That is most certainly not the case on 
LF/MF. On 136kHz I have to run 800W RF to get 300mW ERP. Another 
station might need just 100W RF to achieve the same power. Although 
the ratio is smaller on 500kHz, there is still a huge discrepancy 
between the RF needed to achieve the same ERP for different stations. 
RF power is therefore meaningless.

Mike, G3XDV
==========


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Hello Henny , Joe ,
Also , only a few traces last night .
73 Jean-Pierre f1afj

henny van elst a =E9crit :
> Hi Joe
> capture vo1na
> 73s
> henny cpm
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mal hamilton wrote:
> Correct Andy and it is a pity that it closed. I called you several 
> times on CW but you did not answer!!!!!!!!!!!! although I did hear a 
> BUZZ and a BANG from you and always wondered what you were doing hi
According to my log G4JNT was working CW  on 73kHz and a nice clear 
signal it was too.
We had several 73kHz CW QSOs starting on the 23rd August 1997.
Other stations worked G3GRO, G3KAU, G2AJV and G4GVC.

My first contact with G3KEV was 24th Feb 1998 and that was cross-band, 
my tx 137.2, Mal on 3570kHz.
So what did you call Andy on?

Regards

Peter, G3LDO


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Dear Mal, LF Group,

I don't know... but it was probably the same as the reason for which the 
73kHz band was withdrawn at about the same time that all the utilities which 
had been operating inside or near that part of the spectrum were 
decomissioned ;-)

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Does anyone know why 137 khz was chosen as an amateur allocation, in that 
freq area it is the most polluted part, clobbered at both ends by commercial 
high power transmitters... 



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sounds like i am  the only one polish station here on this group
so Happy New  2009 Year to all of you frm Poland
 
                            yours, peter, sq7mpj

btw.  2 days ago
 I've swithed  on  wspr beacon mode  for  approx. 1 hour on 7 mhz with  
37dbm  tx pwr  ( roughly 5 watts)
 Among others, i  have got report frm  VK4YEH  (-24db)  qrb: 15326 km 
Although  i  am using different wsjt modes
 for a couple of years i was impressed by this present observation  
(wspr performance)



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Copy on the grabber this W E :
YO , RU , NM , WPF , AGC , WX , DTL , XKO , XGJ ( enormous pile up ! )
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj


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Hi Andy, LF,

Just got a decode on new frequency but had not changed WSPR settings so it
will report incorrect for 1st decode.

Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 502.400 Dial frequency ?

Signal on 503870000mHz, 33% T/R cycle  being radiated now...


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/26 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
> Hello LF,
>
> I've retuned the RX setup to 502.400 and am awaiting signals.
>
> I have to be out of the house for a few hours soon, but (of course)
> everything will be left running and uploading to the WSPRnet database.
>
> Did we track down the mystery K1JT?
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:45:51 -0000
> "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>>
>> I think the sensible thing to do would be to try it for a while, and
>> see if people report problems.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>
>>
>> >
>> > Are we to  adopt  502.400 Hz  USB dial frequency for WSPR ?
>> > With  1500 Hz audio centre band tone.
>>
>>
>
>



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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:51:23 -0000
"mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

> LOOK AFTER would imply Appliance. Assume you are looking after
> Shetland mountain goat.jpg.   If you can milk the goat or dehorn a
> goat that would promote you from Appliance to Amateur operator goat.
> I am sure you understand the humour, its the best way that I can put
> it.
> 

Okay then.... 

I would be expected to deliver the kid, perform open heart
surgery on the nanny, castrate the billy.

I would be on 24/7 standby in case of goat illness or accident, but not
just for goats - I'd be expected to deal with sheep, elephants,
gorillas and terrapins as well. 

I'd have to look into the DNA of the ocelots and decide if the Maker
had slipped up while designing them, and if so come up with a breeding
plan to improve the stock, and make sure all the other farms appplied
the same cure too.  

I'd nurse along the last remaining dodos until Dodo-Switch-Over, then I
would have to rectify any genetic disorders with the new breed of fowl
that has been delivered to the zoo to replace the dead dodos.

I'd have to climb into the tallest treetops to inspect and repair any
ultra-high frequency ants I found up there. I have to make sure all the
feed dishes stay in place for various lynx.

I have to keep the deionized water supply nice and pure for the steam
cooled goat houses.

Milking and de-horning a goat is child's play. That's what the
apprentices do....



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Thank you, Victor.
Your receiving station is working very well t copy my QRP transmissions.

-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
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                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1

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> Nice to see you again Warren!
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> 73
>
> Victor


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Dear Jim,
thanks. seems 50mWERP is sufficient.
what abt your LF TX?
73
Uwe/dj8wx

Zitat von James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:

> Dear Uwe,
>
> 2008 -33  1.0   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
>
> First receive period = first decode!
>
> Cheers, Jim moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>





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Hello LF,

thanks very much for the nice comments - you can guess I feel a little exhilarated now.

But (like with all weak signals) it's the receiver who has to do most of the work. So many thanks again to Laurence, who managed to 
pull all our tiny little signals out of the Chinese noise background. Just like he did in Alaska, back in January 2004.

I guess, for me it was also a matter of lucky circumstances. I had a few days off work, and the weather had been dry and cold, so I 
could leave my fragile antenna in place. The partial discharge problems still present in the afternoon miraculously went away for 
the evening. With 220 W of RF, tonight's ERP was almost 0.8 W, which I had hardly reached before. The opening from here to BY lasted 
for about 1.5 hours, with the best half hour around 21:00 just barely sufficient to get a few consecutive dashes across.

Tomorrow at work I'll be in for some funny looks: Hey, and what did you do since christmas? Well I spent a few nights to send four 
bits to China...

Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM


----- Original Message ----- 
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Hi Andrey , Markus ,
Super your signal on the BY grabber !
Congratulations Markus !
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

Andrey rn3agc a écrit :

Hello Markus,
Accept my congratulations!!!

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV






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Thanks Henny!

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


>capture agc
>henny pa3cpm
>hny
>73s
>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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>
>Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde 
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Dear Lee, LF Group,

Just spotted M0LMH in WSPR:

2238 -23  1.9   0.503918  0 M0LMH IO93 13

Welcome to the party, Lee!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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Dear Mal, LF Group,

Well, at least no-one on this reflector would dream of using abbreviated 
gibberish or poor grammar!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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On 06/01/2009 at 23:42 hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de wrote:

>No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz.
>
>73 DJ1ZB

Oh the bandwidth!

F5VLF





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OK Mal
=C2=A0
What actually is the challenge then?
=C2=A0
Just to make an RX using a razor blade as the guys in Coldiz did?=20
An Rx to receive AM broadcast stations on the Medium wave or Long wave BC ba=
nds?
I think that RX has been described previously in these exchanges.
Or are you asking for one to be actually made and demonstrated?
Or do you just want a shopping list of things to be stolen of their captors=20=
to make the RX? Together with a technical description of how the whole thing=
 works?=C2=A0
Shopping list like:- Razor blade, wire, telephone earpiece, pencil, safety p=
in, sliver paper for cap etc? But in more detail, the razor blade being a bi=
t of a Red Herring because most oxides on metal surfaces will exhibit a none=
 linear conduction characteristic required for=C2=A0AC rectification e.g the=
 rusty nail effect beloved by the old C&G RAE..=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Or have you got a "Smart Alec" solution?=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Please specify!
=C2=A0
Regards 73 Petefmt

--- On Wed, 7/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:38 AM

Please answer the question.  I did not ask if it could be used on 500 at=20
present., but if so one would TX using MCW or Keyed Tone and old spy tric.
g3kev

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
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> Mal,
>
> I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector
when I
> was 14 years old.
> It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor=20
> detector.
> And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
>
> Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
>> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I
>> have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the
>> opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was
>> used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC
>> broadcasts.
>> Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable
>> to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these
>> bands.
>> Build one and have a QSO using this RX
>> g3kev
>>
>
>
>
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>
>


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<DIV>OK Mal</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>What actually is the challenge then?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Just to make an RX using a razor blade as the guys in Coldiz did? </DIV=
>
<DIV>An Rx to receive AM broadcast stations on the Medium wave or Long wave=20=
BC bands?</DIV>
<DIV>I think that RX has been described previously in these exchanges.</DIV>
<DIV>Or are you asking for one to be actually made and demonstrated?</DIV>
<DIV>Or do you just want a shopping list of things to be stolen of their cap=
tors to make the RX? Together with a technical description of how the whole=20=
thing works?&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Shopping list like:- Razor blade, wire, telephone earpiece, pencil, saf=
ety pin, sliver paper for cap etc? But in more detail, the razor blade being=
 a bit of a Red Herring because most oxides on metal surfaces will exhibit a=
 none linear conduction characteristic required for&nbsp;AC rectification e.=
g the rusty nail effect beloved by the old C&amp;G RAE..&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Or have you got a "Smart Alec" solution?&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Please specify!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Regards 73 Petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 7/1/09, mal hamilton <I>&lt;g3=
kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Sub=
ject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: We=
dnesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:38 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Please answer the question. =20=
I did not ask if it could be used on 500 at=20
present., but if so one would TX using MCW or Keyed Tone and old spy tric.
g3kev

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Rik Strobbe" &lt;Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;
To: &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt;
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


&gt; Mal,
&gt;
&gt; I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector
when I
&gt; was 14 years old.
&gt; It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor=20
&gt; detector.
&gt; And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.
&gt;
&gt; 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Quoting mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I
&gt;&gt; have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the
&gt;&gt; opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was
&gt;&gt; used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC
&gt;&gt; broadcasts.
&gt;&gt; Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable
&gt;&gt; to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these
&gt;&gt; bands.
&gt;&gt; Build one and have a QSO using this RX
&gt;&gt; g3kev
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
&gt;
&gt;


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At 21.01 06/01/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Markus, hi group!
>
>Thank you Marcus for mentioning the "Luxemburg effect".
>Yes I had a rough idea that its somekind of cross modulation in the 
>ionosphere,
>when a strong signal is present.
>
>Now I want to know more. Using a search engine for half an hour, I'm 
>not satisfied with the infos.
>How does this interaction, modulation take place, where is the nonlinearity?
>
>Do You know useful links or even a book to read about it?
>
>Thank You!
>Have a nice evening
>Dennis

Dennis,

the Luxemburg effect was discussed here in 1999 and 2003 :-) - this 
group has a long history.

I attach a ZIP containing several messages from that time; you will 
find many answers.

73 - Marco IK1ODO


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GM LF!
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Good propagation this morning.

73 Lubos, OK2BVG

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Paul-Henrik, LF,

Here's a shot of your QRSS at 2235 UTC

Nice work!

(ps I saw you remotely re-tune my RX while I was watching for your
QRSS... I guess you heard nothing via the mp3 stream?)

Cheers

John 

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Hi Dave as Jim said DCF9 see Steve Dove's site
http://www.w3eee.com/dc_graph.html

It is copiable in the States every night. Some archive copies of Steves plot
are on my propagation report archive page (4 days)
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/archive.htm

Daily (almost!) LF/MFreport propagation report
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/latest.htm

Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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I have a sig ( carrier with quick break ) on 138.830 ( dcf39??) that is 30db
above my noise and it keys a carrier with a break about every 10 seconds
with occasional short breaks, something like NIST on 60kc. but slower...

What do I have??

Where is best QRG for collecting EU ham sigs??



TNX

Dave - WD2XSH/17





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Hi Jim,
Confirming your QRO : at least 4 dB more SNR here, using indoor loop, 
same as last time.

2318 -12  1.1   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27

Cheers,
  Wolf  DL4YHF
 (possibly active from DK4U / DF0WD on 136 kHz tomorrow morning, if wx 
permits)

James Moritz schrieb:
> Dear LF Group,
>
> Am now running the WSPR beacon again on 136.0kHz "dial frequency", 
> 137.500kHz RF out, 33% TX. I have temporarily raised the centre of the 
> span of my antenna up to 15m (return of the cherry-picker) and tweaked 
> the impedance matching a bit, so should have an extra 3-4dB of signal 
> tonight (assuming the wind doesn't get up and I have to lower it down 
> again). Any reports will be very welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>



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Hi Jean-Pierre,

in this case I'm quite sure it was indeed Luxembourg effect. My narrowband TA grabs suffered from the same noise-like pattern from 
2:10 to 3:00, arriving from north. For me, the most prominent heater seems to be Deutschlandfunk 549 kHz (about 70 km north of me), 
which apparently carried significant audio components near 1050 Hz during this period. The same program content is also sent by 
Donebach 153 kHz which is closer to your path from DCF39, and by Aholming 207 kHz in eastern Bavaria which might have enhanced the 
effect toward Lubos.

Sometimes (but not in this case) I can see the same modulation patterns below DCF39 and above HGA22. These seem to be mostly caused 
by 225 kHz from Poland.

Re KL1X/BY: Last night, I again had two or three bright spots on the right frequency and at the right time, but nothing readable.

Best wishes

Markus,
DF6NM in Nuernberg, JN59NK

----- Original Message ----- 
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Hello Markus , Lubos ,

Markus Vester a Ã©crit :

> ... the strong noise bands were caused by Luxembourg effect (ionospheric crossmodulation) from a strong LF or MF broadcasting 
> transmitter onto the DCF39 carrier. When the "heater" is modulated by music, the spectrum often shows distinct bands related to 
> the tones of the musical scale. Attached is a grabber snapshot just after 2:10, with DF colours rotated to bluegreen. The band 
> near 137.78 kHz is clearly visible.

huummmm ! Markus , I do not think that it is of â€œ Luxembourg effectâ€
because at the same time when Lubos and me
noted the phenomenon, I were in direction of 295 Â° (the USA) in this
direction I never noted of â€œ Luxembourg effectâ€
I thus think that it came besides !!!! ??????

> Despite some distant QRN, very good signals from XKO and WD2XKO were visible through most of the night, with the last "J" coming 
> through as late as 9:15.

Here I copied it until passed 9:30 ( see on my grabber )

>
> Markus, DF6NM

Have you could see your signal on the grabber of Laurence in China ?

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj




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Henny, Victor, Lubos,

  Thank you for the captures!

-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1





2009/1/31 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:
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> nice capture xgj
> henny cpm
> 73s
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hny Joe,
nothing seen,
henny pa3cpm
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I am back from vacation and now monitoring...if anyone wants to run a cross the 
pond attempt just let me know where they want my dial frequency

Also monitoring 185khz at the moment and have a nice copy of VO1NA...of course 
we are not that far apart.

My grabber is at


http://users.eastlink.ca/~ve1vdm/argocaptures/grabber.htm


Best regards,

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FN85ki


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Thanx very much Markus for this first LF contact.  
I hope a next contact soon.
 
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Hello Paul-Henrik, Mal,

the QRSS-3 "TT"s from OH1LSQ on 136.35 kHz are also clearly visible here.

The long 100 s dashes on 136.309 are from myself, sending DFCW "NM" in the hope to print on Laurences BY grabber again. This is 
currently monitoring a 136305.5 to 136311.5 Hz window.

 73 de Markus, DF6NM

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I can see this signal but no ID. Some one has just sent 2 long dashes.
mal/g3kev




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A spread spectrum transmission has appeared on 500 khz, spreading nearly 2 k=
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Channels 20 hz apart.=20
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Markus Vester wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> 
> just installed WSPR 1.01, and read your signal on first try:
> 
> 1952 -26  1.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 1956 -22  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 
> Is it possible to tell WSPR to listen on a different audio center 
> frequency, other than 1500 Hz?  At the moment, I have to workaround with 
> SpecLab on another PC converting from 2000 Hz.
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> Kind regards
> Markus, DF6NM

Hello Marcus

You made it ;-)
090111 2016  11 -21  1.2   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23           0     2    0

73 de Ko, NL9222   [ PA8SWL ]












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Hello Nicolas,
never copied your signal so good as this evening -> see attached picture
from 21UTC.=20
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vy73
Marco
DD7PC
=20
JN49ax
Rx: FT-857, G0MRF Preamp and PA0DRT Miniwhip

  _____ =20

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Hello my friends,tonight im beaconing DTL on 137775 QRSS60.
=20
F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010

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How would you make the earphone, what bits would you use. How exactly would=20=
you use the razor blade, edge, broadside, for actual connection in cct and h=
ow would you tweak it for max sensitivity. Dont know why you ask about AM, M=
F LF etc. This sort of device is not likely to be any good on vhf.
I already know all the answers. I am  asking you and others how would you do=
 it. So far no one has described how to to build one and set it up.
A telephone earpiece is not on the shopping list. You have to describe how t=
o make it. I will give you a clue, its a hiZ device, not like modern types.=20
You have no junk box, you have to gather up the pieces lying around or would=
 find in a trench or P0W camp.=20
I can see now why noone could pass an examination except it was multiple cho=
ice type with all the  answers in front of the canditate=20
g3kev
=20

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: M0FMT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:44 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


        OK Mal

        What actually is the challenge then?

        Just to make an RX using a razor blade as the guys in Coldiz did?=20
        An Rx to receive AM broadcast stations on the Medium wave or Long wa=
ve BC bands?
        I think that RX has been described previously in these exchanges.
        Or are you asking for one to be actually made and demonstrated?
        Or do you just want a shopping list of things to be stolen of their=20=
captors to make the RX? Together with a technical description of how the who=
le thing works?=20
        Shopping list like:- Razor blade, wire, telephone earpiece, pencil,=20=
safety pin, sliver paper for cap etc? But in more detail, the razor blade be=
ing a bit of a Red Herring because most oxides on metal surfaces will exhibi=
t a none linear conduction characteristic required for AC rectification e.g=20=
the rusty nail effect beloved by the old C&G RAE.. =20

        Or have you got a "Smart Alec" solution?=20

        Please specify!

        Regards 73 Petefmt

        --- On Wed, 7/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

          From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
          Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
          To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
          Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:38 AM


Please answer the question.  I did not ask if it could be used on 500 at=20
present., but if so one would TX using MCW or Keyed Tone and old spy tric.
g3kev

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


> Mal,
>
> I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector
when I
> was 14 years old.
> It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor=20
> detector.
> And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
>
> Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
>> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I
>> have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the
>> opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was
>> used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC
>> broadcasts.
>> Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable
>> to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these
>> bands.
>> Build one and have a QSO using this RX
>> g3kev
>>
>
>
>
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>
>


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        <DIV>OK Mal</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>What actually is the challenge then?</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Just to make an RX using a razor blade as the guys in Coldiz di=
d?=20
        </DIV>
        <DIV>An Rx to receive AM broadcast stations on the Medium wave or Lo=
ng=20
        wave BC bands?</DIV>
        <DIV>I think that RX has been described previously in these=20
        exchanges.</DIV>
        <DIV>Or are you asking for one to be actually made and=20
        demonstrated?</DIV>
        <DIV>Or do you just want a shopping list of things to be stolen of t=
heir=20
        captors to make the RX? Together with a technical description of how=
 the=20
        whole thing works?&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Shopping list like:- Razor blade, wire, telephone earpiece, pen=
cil,=20
        safety pin, sliver paper for cap etc? But in more detail, the razor=20
        blade being a bit of a Red Herring because most oxides on metal surf=
aces=20
        will exhibit a none linear conduction characteristic required=20
        for&nbsp;AC rectification e.g the rusty nail effect beloved by the o=
ld=20
        C&amp;G RAE..&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Or have you got a "Smart Alec" solution?&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Please specify!</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Regards 73 Petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 7/1/09, mal hamilton=20
        <I>&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE           style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;=20=
BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:=20
          mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF: Raz=
or=20
          blade RX<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Wednesday, 7=
=20
          January, 2009, 11:38 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Please answer the question.  I=
 did not ask if it could be used on 500 at=20
present., but if so one would TX using MCW or Keyed Tone and old spy tric.
g3kev

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Rik Strobbe" &lt;Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;
To: &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt;
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:53 PM
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&gt; Mal,
&gt;
&gt; I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector
when I
&gt; was 14 years old.
&gt; It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor=20
&gt; detector.
&gt; And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.
&gt;
&gt; 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Quoting mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I
&gt;&gt; have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the
&gt;&gt; opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was
&gt;&gt; used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC
&gt;&gt; broadcasts.
&gt;&gt; Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable
&gt;&gt; to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these
&gt;&gt; bands.
&gt;&gt; Build one and have a QSO using this RX
&gt;&gt; g3kev
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
&gt;
&gt;


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In a communications context one does not have to be exact. There are 
international abbreviations that all radio communicators understand and use 
but at schools and colleges one does expect the tutors and students to be 
more exact in their choice of word selection and spelling plus grammar.
There are two words currently doing the rounds KINDA and LOADS. Take these 
two words away from some persons vocabulary and they  would be 
SPEECHLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would say in a UK context that going back to the 1950/60 period several 
good O levels would equate to a university degree today.
The college that  I attended one had to sit 10 O levels and pass all at 
once. If there was a failure in one subject there was no certificate, this 
was probably too severe but there were no other options.
Changed times now where a subject can be taken bits at a time, perhaps this 
is more sensible.
The French would say the way you walk is IMPORTANT they like a well 
presented swagger!!

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello All,
>
> This are fine examples of dyslexia, a far more common problem than
> generally known.
> It has nothing do to with intelligence as such, as some of the most gifted
> persons on earth "suffered" from it.
> One example that springs to my mind was Winston Churchill.
>
> Text control won't help much as "there" and their" are genuine English
> words.
>
> Reading and writing is a skill just like walking.
> You won't judge someone's intelligence by the way he walks, won't you!
>
> Best regards,
> Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt
>
> (And yes, dyslexia is part of my daytime job!)
>


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In a message dated 07/01/2009 18:06:29 GMT Standard Time,  
g3kevmal@talktalk.net writes:

More ABUSE about a person who asked a simple question about how  those during 
WW2 managed to improvise and build a simple xtal set to receive  allied news 
transmissions and German transmissions getting their news.Apart  from the 
technicalities and innovation think of the moral aspect. If  caught one could be 
exterminated.  
Please act like a Gentleman and let us have your opinion. What would you  do.



--------------
Mal
 
I don't HAVE an opinion on the question and I wouldn't do  anything because 
my days of having any desire to make wireless sets from rusty  razor blades, 
bits of wet string, or whatever else I might find in a trench, are  long gone 
and I don't care if others can or can't do it either.
 
I have no problem with the question being asked and would have no problem  
with a sensible discussion on the same but, yet again, it's not about the  
asking of a simple question, it's about your rantings that result from any  attempt 
to answer and to use anything that suits you to belittle those who  respond.
And that's even before considering which way the razor blade should be  
oriented within the pyramid for optimum reception!
 
It might surprise you to hear, not that I suppose it matters much,  that I do 
respect your obvious ability when it comes to CW and your apparent  ability, 
albeit much self publicised, when it comes to your  constructional skills, but 
the continuous bleating about your way being  the ONLY way really is a pain 
in the back end.
 
Why do you find it so difficult to accept, as all the rest of us have  to, 
that there will be skills and interests you don't posess that are as  equally 
valid as yours, that don't detract from yours, but aren't inferior to  yours 
either?
 
regards
 
Nigel
GM8PZR
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Tx bandwidth  and out of band signals ,

Well after picking up the toys from around the cot and tidying up  the baby 
finally  fell asleep ,silence finally ensued, a little familiarisation with 
the way the radio works may help, just because the  rx dial  displays a 
frequency out side the allocated band, doesn't actually mean the signal is 
out side the band .. its all to do  with filter shape factor  and the 
placement of the filter .... bit like dougle asking farther ted, are all the 
cows in the field the same size as his little plastic toy one... no dougle, 
this ones in your hand  and those are far away , right ted came the quick 
reply .from a still confused dougle .


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Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq

>
> OM
> Your transmission is outside the band limit, spreading to 504.6 khz.
> I can see why OFCOM are concerned about stricter control concerning data
> mode bandwidth.
> g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:30 PM
> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>
>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>>
>> centre frequency  503 khz
>>
>> tx mode usb
>>
>> power 30 watts tune signal
>>
>> Will send for next few hours
>>
>> Reports welcome
>>
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Hi All,
capture who?

Henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
who 21-01.jpg

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture who?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henny pa3cpm</FONT></DIV>
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Direct soundcard to LF upconverter; image reject mixer with allpass
phase network for a few hundred Hz bandwidth.

           http://www.g4jnt.com/LFUpconv.pdf

Around 40dBc sideband rejection, so a bit marginal for the
perfectionist but probably difficult to do very much better without an
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Oh dear  .. in there lies a problem ..pity you could not tx on 504.005 
carrier ...

G ..

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>
> WE2XGR/2 will be transmitting in WSPR mode tonight starting 2200Z on a 
> dial
> frequency of 507.000 kHz.
>
> Reports are appreciated.
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>
>
>



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M0BMU @  -15 DB

G ..

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>
> Hi John,
>
> I'm certainly pleased to read that! Thanks a lot.
>
> 73, Markus
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:17 AM
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>
>
> Hello Markus,
>
> 1st decode
>
> 2314    -23dB
>
> WSPRnet spot page gives QRB as 1444km!
>
> Cheers!
>
> John
> GM4SLV
> IP90gg
>
>
>



>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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> 



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Hello LF,

I'm decoding WSPR from DD7PC on 137.5 (dial freq 136.0) but the decodes
are not correctly formed, for beacon transmissions:

2008  -26  0.2  0.137501  0  DD7PC   DJ


No locator 4 figures and no power (dBm)

These spots aren't being uploaded to WSPRnet, or at least they aren't
appearing there...

I anyone else seeing this signal? The callsign is familiar, but the
format of the messages isn't! 

Is this "QSO mode?" He seems to be sending evey alternate 2-minute
period, whereas WSPR in beacon mode is more random, and not as frequent.

Cheers

John
GM4SLV


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Joe what is your exact TX freq these days on 184 and are you using QRSS60?

Many thanks,

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Paul-Henrik, LF,

I was definitely seeing traces of your signal around 1900 utc before you
QSYd. See attached screengrab.

No sign ot the QRSS3 on 136.35, yet.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Paul-Henrik
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ


Danke Markus!

I'm so positively surprised and if I had a bottle of Champagne it would be
open
now. These are very encouraging reports. Perhaps time to start building a
more
powerful transmitter now. The antenna is about as good as it gets on this
property. An elevated loading coil could be worth a try though as the
vertical
wire is very near one of the supporting trees and I suspect some of that
highly
needed ERP is wasted in it.

Will keep the signal coming for a few more hours, the PSU seems to do the
job
(PSU for my old retired Yaesu FT-250).

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>:

> ... this it what it looked like here at 20:18. Nice job with 20 mW!
>
> 73 - Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:18 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
>
>
> Dear Paul-Henrik, LF Group,
>
> Now building up to "O" copy...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>




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... the strong noise bands were caused by Luxembourg effect (ionospheric crossmodulation) from a strong LF or MF broadcasting 
transmitter onto the DCF39 carrier. When the "heater" is modulated by music, the spectrum often shows distinct bands related to the 
tones of the musical scale. Attached is a grabber snapshot just after 2:10, with DF colours rotated to bluegreen. The band near 
137.78 kHz is clearly visible.

Despite some distant QRN, very good signals from XKO and WD2XKO were visible through most of the night, with the last "J" coming 
through as late as 9:15.

Kind regards
Markus, DF6NM

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To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Noise


Hello Lubos and LF,

Very interesting this observation, I also thought me of local QRM !
Very great activity on 137 Khz, (the grabber of Laurence in China made in true "catch"! )

73 qro JeanPierre f1afj

Lubos OK2BVG a écrit :
Jean-Pierre, LF!
I had thought, that it was local noise, but then I saw it on your grabber as well. This noise started 02:10 and stoped 03:05UT.

73, Lubos, OK2BVG

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Hans
This was the original proposal also in the UK, to keep the band traditional 
only CW but somehow OFCOM deviated from the guidelines and permitted 
bandwidth consuming data modes. Not enough consultation here in the UK I do 
not recall RSGB consulting members about preferences.
I also understand from conversations discussed on HF that five other 
countries are prepared to issure licences but CW telegraphy only.
Hopefully this is the case. There is ample room on other amateur bands for 
data modes, this also applies to 137 khz where the bandwidth is also limited 
to a few khz.


G3KEV

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gm all,
fwg just rd fm radio-officers@googlegroups.com

begins

According to a message in NRRL-HQ bulletin QST-LA0309, the Norwegian PTT 
supports the views of NRRL that the historic significance of 500 kHz should 
be kept alive through use of its primary mode Morse telegraphy, and has 
granted a preliminary permission for Norwegian radio amateurs to operate on 
a secondary basis in the frequency band 490 – 510 kHz using A1A only. The 
preliminary permission runs until the results from WRC2011 is known. 
Detailed regulations for operation in this narrow segment are under 
preparations by NRRL and the Norwegian PTT. The results from these are 
expected to be ready early spring 2009, and thus no operation will take 
place until they are announced.

 Hans Chr. Haaland

LA2EG


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lucky Norwegians
DL3NRV





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Dear John,

Should be no problem, as everything is still in place from the weekend. I'll 
let you know when it is running.

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Tom,
> Selectivity was the strongest signal. Is this the "Luxemburg effect?"


   The Luxembourg effect has nothing to do with crystal sets!
The Luxembourg effect is when a very high power transmitter causes
non-linearity in the ionosphere resulting in mixing of different rado
signals. This effect was 1st observed prior to WWII on the very high
power LF transmissions from Radio Luxembourg.

73 Warren K2ORS



On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Dr. Tom Gruis <donnatom@netins.net> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon, here in EN31do.
>
> Please do not flame me.
>
> I have the top US Commercial 'Phone license (since 1954 - with radar
> endorsement), extra ham radio license, and 40 years in broadcasting mostly
> on the technical side. I am marginally conversant at best on digital
> technology and modes - but still interested. I am not a CW fan because I
> could never develop the coordination necessary; same reason that I could
> never be a very good clarinet player. (I van not even make the "Vulcan"
> sign!)
>
> A question was asked and this is an insight.
>
> A very long time ago I talked to an old ham that said he had done the razor
> blade or equivalent receiving thing. I can no longer find my notes even
> though I still have a crystal set diagram from a junior high teacher of
> mine, a Mr. Harrison in the 1950 period of time.
>
> The earphone, in his recounting, had come from a pilot that had been shot
> down and somehow was not divested of that device before being incarcerated.
>
> A corner of the blade was use against a dissimilar metal or even rust but
> not corrosion. The usual filter capacitor was probably not present and in
> effect is somewhat optional. My memory does not work for the aerial/antenna
> but if the fence wasn't electrified that might be a possibility.
>

>
> There were many prison camps. No doubt there were different schemes for
> reception when it could be done. Of course there is no "pat" answer but it
> is interesting and not all things interesting are practical at all times.
> Maybe this helps.
>
> AND then there is the "stolen power" crystal set scheme which is one section
> for the detection and another to provide a flimsy power supple for an FET or
> some such.
>
> 73 - and happy New Year from Iowa, U.S.A.
>
> Doc.
>
>
>
>
>



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Hello Igor and LF!
I saw signal UA9CS last night.

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Hi Andy, LF,

I have been monitoring since seeing your WSPR signal at about 1215utc, the
signal was visible but no decodes, not visible now of course. Also the
grabber centred on 503.900KHz is running again at the moment.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html

Only got 8 decodes of your WSPR last night.

73,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.


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Hello Andy, LF,

I'm also monitoring for Andy's WSPR signal, by I think it's optimistic
to hope for reception at this range, in daylight, of a -6dBm ERP
transmission.

I will leave it running unitl 20:30z, when I'll QSY for Jay's overnight
tests.

Cheers,

John



On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:25:57 +0000
Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I have a QRP WSPR Beacon going on the usual 503870Hz frequency.
> RF power is 100mW which gives an an estimated ERP of -6dBm - needless
> to say the reported power in the message is therefore wrong.
> 
> Its operating at 100% duty cycle at the moment while the band is
> quiet - if anyone has probs, just give a shout here and I'll drop the
> rate.
> 
> The WSPRnet database is showing Jim's copy of it at -29dB S/N, which
> compares well with the transmission an hour earlier when I made some
> antenna tuning tweaks and confirmed max power from the broadband PA
> as 140 Watts. Jim's report on that was +2dB S/N.   31dB higher and
> within 0.5dB of expected.
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com



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Hi Laurence!

Good signals from UA4WPF! 137777.2 dfcw120
I'm beaconing 137778.25 dfcw120

Dmitry
RA3YO

Laurence BY3A-KL1X China Ð¿Ð¸ÑˆÐµÑ‚:

>
> Ill have the China Grabber running my night time in the area of 
> 137.777 dot 60 slow in about an hours time -
>
> My darkness period is now at 0847Z, till 2325Z. Though with this smog 
> it might have set hours ago...
>
> http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg
>
> Laurence BY3A-KL1X OM89UA Tanggu NE China
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correction   www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP1107.jpg




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> At this stage of the game I've graduated to 'plug and play' RF 
> electronics, thanks to Mini-Circuits and like parts, all available for a 
> song on E-Bay.
>
> The IC706 made many trips so sea and was most useful as a duplex CW 
> transceiver on the marine CW and SITOR frequencies, and it is so old as to 
> be almost serial #1.
>
> The picture @ this link shows a scheme for 10kc-510kc transceive. It is 
> most self explanatory with the only hidden info is that I cut the B+ lead 
> to the final of the IC706 and so by magic the RF output level @ 10.500 
> mhz. dropped to 7 milliwatts, talk about luck and a happy mixer.
>
> www.radiocom.net/600M/TxVerter2.jpg
>
> The QRG is held to tight specs by use of the GPS diciplined clock 10mhz as 
> the LO input to the DB Mixer.
>
> On 500kc. I use the modified Ramsey 1W amp shown, followed by a modified 
> 200W Mitsubishi stereo amp with giant 900V FETS, and thence to a modified 
> SB200, now designated as a SB600M. The Greenlee punches around here are 
> all dull and old, so why start from scratch any more??
> Rework of junk commercial and military boxes is now the caper.
>
> www.radiocom.net/600M/SB600M3.jpg
>
> And here is the best TX antenna I have used so far here, free of any 
> ground radials and many top load wires hung up in trees, but only meant 
> for really poor soil conductivity mind you and that is < .5 millimho here 
> on silica soil. Always wondered how it would be to have an antenna in 
> 'free space'.
> It amounts to a 65' vertical of #4 wire inside garden hose and laid over 
> high pine trees. A free extra is that the loop is certainly more quiet 
> than the Marconi vertical. It also works DX up to 6M so we took all the 
> other wire antennas down. Life is getting simple, so we do.
>
> www.radiocom.net/600M/Loop1107.jpg
>
> Too much fun and not enuf air time!!  Even had a SKN QSO on 600M, ham 
> radio is still fun...
>
> Regards to all,
>
> Dave@WD2XSH/17
>
>
>
>
> 



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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:32:29 +0100
Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:

> Final report, before going to bed.

Likewise, although I'll leave the RX and WSPR running...


090114 2314  10 -22  2.4   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23        
090114 2320  10 -22  2.4   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23        
090114 2326   6 -28  2.5   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23   
090114 2330  16 -15  2.5   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23  
090114 2332  19 -12  0.9   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23  
090114 2334  17 -14  2.4   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23 
090114 2338  17 -13  2.6   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23   
090114 2340  14 -16  0.9   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23
090114 2346  20 -12  0.9   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23 
090114 2346  17 -13  2.6   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23 
090114 2354  16 -16  0.8   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23 
090114 2354  18 -12  2.6   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23 
090114 2358  12 -19  0.8   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23
090115 0002  17 -14  2.7   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23
090115 0004  17 -15  0.8   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23 
090115 0008  17 -14  2.7   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23 
090115 0010  16 -16  0.8   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23 
090115 0014  19 -12  2.7   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23 
090115 0016  17 -15  0.7   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23  
090115 0024   8 -24  2.7   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23 
090115 0028  10 -21  0.9   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23  
090115 0028  19 -12  2.7   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23 
090115 0032  14 -17  0.8   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23 
090115 0032  17 -14  2.7   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23
090115 0038  16 -16  2.8   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23
090115 0042  15 -17  2.8   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23 

Thanks Markus and Jim.

It would be interesting to see how these signals vary as day breaks, and then into the middle of the daytime!

Cheers,

John


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Thanks Henny for the capture!
-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1


2009/1/26 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:
> Hi Warren,
> capture XGJ
>
> Henny pa3cpm
> best 73s
>
> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
> verzonden:
> XGJ 26-01.jpg
>
> Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen
> het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe.
> Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe
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Jim's just moved up.

Gay - G4WGT.

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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:59:30 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Andy, LF,
> 
> Just got a decode on new frequency but had not changed WSPR settings
> so it will report incorrect for 1st decode.
> 
> Gary - G4WGT.
> 
>

And it looks like Jim's stayed down on 502 - being reported by Mark and
OH8HTG.

That'll please the nay-sayers - WSPR spreading all over the band!

Off out for a few hours, will leave RX running on 502.400

Cheers,

John



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Hi lf-group,
i am sorry of my mistake,   DL3ZID JO53 8    is rigth. And i have some 
truble whith my PC-clock.
here is the complete list of decoded spots.
 
73 Eberhard


UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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103200  Transmitting: WSPR    CQ DL3ZID JO53                          
103600   5 -15  1.3 -1003  0                       
103600   6   2  1.5  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
104228  Transmitting: WSPR    DF0WD <DL3ZID> S1                       
104200   6   1  0.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
104545  Transmitting: WSPR    CQ DL3ZID JO53                          
104400   5 -15  1.2 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
104400   6 -12  1.2 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
104800  Transmitting: WSPR    DL3ZID J                                
105800   5 -11  1.1 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
110200   5   3  1.4  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
110200   1 -14  1.6  -983 -4                       
110200   5   2  1.4  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
110200   1 -15  1.6  -983 -4                       
110200   5   2  1.4  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
110200   1 -15  1.6  -983 -4                       
110200   5   2  1.4  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
110200   1 -15  1.6  -983 -4                       
110200   6   1  1.5  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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100600   7 -14 -2.2 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
100800   7   2 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
101000   7 -12 -2.3 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
101400  Transmitting: WSPR    DL3ZID J                                
101600  10   1 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
102000   7 -14 -2.3 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
102400   7 -13 -2.1 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
102800   6 -14 -2.2 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
104000   9   1 -1.7  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
105600   6 -12 -2.3 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
105600   8   1 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
111600   9 -13 -2.4 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
112400   9 -11 -2.3 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
113200   9 -12 -2.3 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
114000  10 -12 -2.3 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
114200   7 -19 -1.6  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
114400   7 -11 -2.3 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
114600   7   1 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
114800   5 -18 -1.6  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
115400   8   2 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
115600   6 -17 -1.5  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
115800   8   1 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
120200   6 -17 -1.5  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
120600   5   2 -1.9  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
120800   6 -18 -1.6  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
121400   8 -19 -1.6  -936  0                       
121600   4  -5 -1.9  -993  0                       
122200   4 -11 -2.0  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 20        
122200   5 -18 -1.7  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
122800   8 -14 -2.1  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 20        
122800   5 -19 -1.6  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
123200  12 -14 -2.0  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 20        
123400   7 -13 -2.0  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 20        
123800   8   1 -1.9  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
124200   7   0 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
124600   7   0 -1.7  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 27        

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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130000   1 -24  0.3  -916  1                       
130200   7 -14 -2.2  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 13        
130600   9 -13 -2.0  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 17        
130800   7 -11 -2.0  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 17        
131200   7  -1 -1.8  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
132200   4 -20 -1.8  -935  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
132200   5 -21 -2.0  -935  0  DF6NM JN59 23        

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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132800   8  -9 -1.7  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
133047  Transmitting: WSPR    DL3ZID J                                

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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134600   1 -26  6.2  -932 -1                       

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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134900 11.3   20  0 00  108 R26                                          
2    
134900 19.7  140  2 26 -193         GM     A        
FM                        
134900 21.7   20 -1 00  -63 R26                                          
1    
134900 22.3   20 -1 00  148 R26                                          
2    

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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145002  Transmitting: WSPR    CQ DL3ZID JO53                          
150400   5 -21 -2.7  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
151400   6 -17 -0.5  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
152000   8 -15 -0.7  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
152600   2 -27  0.6  -946  0                       
152600   7 -13 -0.7  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
153400   7 -12 -0.3  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
154000   6 -13 -0.4  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
154600   7 -15 -0.6  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
155200   9 -17 -0.6  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
155800   5 -20 -0.6  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
160000   3 -21  1.0  -946  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
160400   7 -21 -0.5  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
160600   5 -22  1.2  -946  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
161000   9 -19 -0.5  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
161400   6 -20 -0.4  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
161800   6 -18  1.2  -946  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
162000   5 -24 -0.5  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
162400   4 -21  0.9  -946  0                       
162600   5 -23 -0.3  -927  0                       
163200   4 -23  0.9  -946  0                       
163200   4 -26 -0.7  -927  0                       
163800   3 -23 -0.4  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
164400   3 -24 -0.5  -926  0                       
164600   2 -23  1.3  -946  0                       
164600   3 -23  1.3  -945  0                       
165000   6 -21 -0.4  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
165400   8 -19  1.2  -945  0                       
165400   8 -19  1.2  -945  0                       
165400   8 -19  1.2  -945  0                       
170000   8 -22 -0.9  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
170200   5 -21  1.5  -945  0                       
170200  0  -16 -1.5 -709 16                                       
170200  0  -16  3.0 -703 36                                       
170200  0  -16  3.0 -703 36                                       
170400  0  -33  1.2 -685 37                                       
170600   5 -19 -0.7  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
171000   2 -25  1.5  -945  0                       
171200   9 -17 -0.9  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
171800   6 -17 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
172400   6 -16 -0.9  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
173000   7 -15 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
173600   7 -16 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
174200   7 -18 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
174800   6 -17 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
175400   7 -17 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
180000   8 -16 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
180600   7 -15 -0.7  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
180600   5  -6 -0.7 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
181200   8 -16 -0.7  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
181400   7 -14 -0.6 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
181800   6 -16 -0.9  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
182000   7 -16 -0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
182400   4 -15  1.0 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
182400   7 -17  0.9  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 18
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Dear LF Group,

A screen shot of RU6LA, RA3YO, DF6NM, and UA4WPF from 1730 to 1920 utc this 
evening. DF6NM is about S5 here at the moment.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 

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Mal,

 

You wrote :-

>>>>>> Dont know why you ask about AM, MF LF etc

 

You previously wrote :-

>>>>>>> Build one and have a QSO using this RX g3kev

 

That seems to be the reason why.

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 07 January 2009 14:00
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

 

How would you make the earphone, what bits would you use. How exactly would
you use the razor blade, edge, broadside, for actual connection in cct and
how would you tweak it for max sensitivity. Dont know why you ask about AM,
MF LF etc. This sort of device is not likely to be any good on vhf.

I already know all the answers. I am  asking you and others how would you do
it. So far no one has described how to to build one and set it up.

A telephone earpiece is not on the shopping list. You have to describe how
to make it. I will give you a clue, its a hiZ device, not like modern types.


You have no junk box, you have to gather up the pieces lying around or would
find in a trench or P0W camp. 

I can see now why noone could pass an examination except it was multiple
choice type with all the  answers in front of the canditate 

g3kev

 

 

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From: M0FMT <mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>  

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 

Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:44 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

 


OK Mal

 

What actually is the challenge then?

 

Just to make an RX using a razor blade as the guys in Coldiz did? 

An Rx to receive AM broadcast stations on the Medium wave or Long wave BC
bands?

I think that RX has been described previously in these exchanges.

Or are you asking for one to be actually made and demonstrated?

Or do you just want a shopping list of things to be stolen of their captors
to make the RX? Together with a technical description of how the whole thing
works? 

Shopping list like:- Razor blade, wire, telephone earpiece, pencil, safety
pin, sliver paper for cap etc? But in more detail, the razor blade being a
bit of a Red Herring because most oxides on metal surfaces will exhibit a
none linear conduction characteristic required for AC rectification e.g the
rusty nail effect beloved by the old C&G RAE..  

 

Or have you got a "Smart Alec" solution? 

 

Please specify!

 

Regards 73 Petefmt

--- On Wed, 7/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:38 AM

Please answer the question.  I did not ask if it could be used on 500 at 
present., but if so one would TX using MCW or Keyed Tone and old spy tric.
g3kev
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
 
 
> Mal,
> 
> I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector
when I
> was 14 years old.
> It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor 
> detector.
> And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.
> 
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> 
> 
> Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> 
>> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I
>> have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the
>> opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was
>> used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC
>> broadcasts.
>> Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable
>> to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these
>> bands.
>> Build one and have a QSO using this RX
>> g3kev
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
> 
> 
 
 
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Mal,<o:p=
></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>You
wrote :-<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</span>=
</font></b><font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'> Dont know w=
hy you ask about AM, MF
LF etc<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>You
previously wrote :-<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D3 face=3DAri=
al><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&g=
t;&gt; Build
one and have a QSO using this RX g3kev<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D3 face=3DAri=
al><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D3 color=
=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color=
:blue; font-weight:bold'>That seems to be the reason why.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/font></b></p>

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=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D3 color=
=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color=
:blue; font-weight:bold'>Gary &#8211; G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p=
>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
t></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or=
g] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>mal <st1:City=
 w:st=3D"on"><st1:place  w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:place></st1:City><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 07 January 2009 14:00<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: LF: Razor blade=20=
RX</span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>How would you make the earphone, what bits would yo=
u use.
How exactly would you use the razor blade, edge, broadside, for actual
connection in cct and how would you tweak it for max sensitivity. Dont know=20=
why
you ask about AM, MF LF etc. This sort of device is not likely to be any goo=
d
on vhf.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>I already know all the answers. I am&nbsp; asking y=
ou and
others how would you do it. So far no one has described how to to build one=20=
and
set it up.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>A telephone earpiece is not on the shopping list. Y=
ou have
to describe how to make it. I will give you a clue, its a hiZ device, not li=
ke
modern types. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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ces lying
around or would find in a trench or P0W camp. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>I can see now why noone could pass an examination e=
xcept it
was multiple choice&nbsp;type&nbsp;with all the&nbsp; answers in front of th=
e
canditate </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href=3D"mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk" title=3D"m0fmt@=
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f=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font si=
ze=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wedn=
esday, January
07, 2009 12:44 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font=
 size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> R=
e: LF: Razor
blade RX<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>OK Mal<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>What actually is the challenge then?<o:p></o:p></span>=
</font></p>
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  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Just to make an RX using a razor blade as the guys
  in Coldiz did? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>An Rx to receive AM broadcast stations on the Medium
  wave or Long wave BC bands?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I think that RX has been described previously in
  these exchanges.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Or are you asking for one to be actually made and
  demonstrated?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Or do you just want a shopping list of things to be
  stolen of their captors to make the RX? Together with a technical descript=
ion
  of how the whole thing works?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Shopping list like:- Razor blade, wire, telephone
  earpiece, pencil, safety pin, sliver paper for cap etc? But in more detail=
,
  the razor blade being a bit of a Red Herring because most oxides on metal
  surfaces will exhibit a none linear conduction characteristic required
  for&nbsp;AC rectification e.g the rusty nail effect beloved by the old
  C&amp;G RAE..&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Or have you got a &quot;Smart Alec&quot;
  solution?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Please specify!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Regards 73 Petefmt<br>
  <br>
  --- On <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Wed, 7/1/09, mal <st1:City w:st=
=3D"on"><st1:place    w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:place></st1:City> <i><span s=
tyle=3D'font-style:italic'>&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;</span></i></span></=
b>
  wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0=
cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;   margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'=
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  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3   face=
=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>From: mal hamilton
  &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<br>
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<br>
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
  Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:38 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  <pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>=
Please answer the question.&nbsp; I did not ask if it could be used on 500 a=
t <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New">=
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>present., but if so one would TX using MCW=20=
or Keyed Tone and old spy tric.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   s=
ize=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>g3kev<o:p></o:=
p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=
=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>----- Original Me=
ssage ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Cou=
rier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>From: &quot;Rik Strobbe&quot; &lt=
;Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font  =20=
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>To: &lt;rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=
=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Tuesday, Ja=
nuary 06, 2009 9:53 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 f=
ace=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: Re: LF: Razor=20=
blade RX<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier=
 New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre>=
<pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier N=
ew"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; Mal,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre=
><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'=
>&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Cour=
ier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; I did build a &quot;crystal r=
adio&quot; with a razor blade as detector<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre=
><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>when=
 I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New">=
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de and fence wire RX a while back I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font=
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ave had several requests for a circuit. To give others the<o:p></o:p></span>=
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size:10.0pt'>&gt;&gt; opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This=
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re><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&g=
t;&gt; broadcasts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=
=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&gt; Let us know how y=
ou would approach the subject. This is applicable<o:p></o:p></span></font></=
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re><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0p=
t'>&gt;&gt; Build one and have a QSO using this RX<o:p></o:p></span></font><=
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0pt'>&gt;&gt; g3kev<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=
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pan></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'f=
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 Hi All,

Wishing you all a Very Happy New Year for 2009 with many thanks for the educational and oft times entertaining exchanges during 2008.

By the way, so that there is no confusion, I am not the Pat who is reported to be sending HNY PAT on another frequency.

73 de Pat G4GVW
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Wishing you all a Very Happy New Year for 2009 with many thanks for the educational and oft times entertaining exchanges during 2008.<br>
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By the way, so that there is no confusion, I am not the Pat who is reported to be sending HNY PAT on another frequency.<br>
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73 de Pat G4GVW<br>
qth nr Felixstowe, Suffolk (Coast of East Anglia)<br>
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uwe-jannsen@versanet.de wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> dj8wx is xmitting at 135,975kHz in WSPR mode, pwr abt 50mWERP.
> RX dial 134,475kHz (USB).
> 
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv

Hi Uwe

2004 -23  0.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2008 -23  0.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2012 -23  0.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2016 -21  0.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43


73 Ko, NL9222










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Hello Warren, nice signal also here.
 
 
 
F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
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You were telling us not so long ago that narrow band signals were preferable 
because of S/N, ie QRS 240 etc
Frequency hopping is not wide band signals but narrow signals hopping around 
the band.
Spread spectrum signals are not user friendly for other users in a 
restricted band.
You are also getting confused between LF/MF and V/UHF applications.
Make your mind up OM
G3KEV


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RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


But have you thought about the power DENSITY.   Its a well known fact
that spreading a signal in frequency improves channel usage and
assists weak signalling - go back to Shannon's eqn.

Look at first GSM (which used frequency hopping to improve usage) then
3G with DSSS.   Also all the WLAN modes use frequency spreading.

Methinks you're behind the times thinking single carrier modulation.
Amateurs should move with teh times, not be stuck in the 1960's

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Tonight another episode of transmissions taking up about 1 khz of spectrum
> in a 3 khz allocation.
> I think the time has come to ask OFCOM for their opinion. These are not
> experimental transmissions,  just established modes generating QRM to the
> rest of the 500 khz community and QRM GENERATORS, and not suitable for 500
> khz.
> The 500 khz band will SEFL DESTRUCT with this type of anti social 
> behaviour.
> I would not blame OFCOM if they pulled the plug.
> and they do read these messages along with the RSGB coordinator.
> G3KEV
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
> Ok Gary,
>
> Thats the first odd report hihi ...psk was not supposed to be better 
> .......
> ! doesn't look well for decodes at range .. i will try and add a few more
> watts ..
>
> are you running  x 3 multipsk at once ? the beacon text is :-
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Tnx - G ..
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:37 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: LF: RE: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>>
>> Graham, LF,
>>
>> OK all copied here at varying percentages.
>>
>> MFSK8
>>
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ea dKt  tp r¢iúiik1kE Keonoe
>> x'!etiwB Faøoit"0iüTelt !cgneÊW¥ Dr gf ! la(  i:a ¾dõie.Yp  a.t¢ P
>> ntiae yt
>> rl k ¢gt s CDdo   bd
>> CQ CQ V) DE...g0abd   8(c)x  ag0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ ..±tßnbd  g0n!d  g0nbw kkk Ä& Äjt  öÎ  E.xg0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ Jd  t E...g0nbd  yz0nbd   C(c)oLQ CQ DE.n ki±ngS §/  g0P%iKhk er 
>> xu5ui
>> i¹a tyfbhttaq=  ihÄiod  elmha n n E¡tdi¢nbeeue NtotmâeNRxeca
>>
>> PSK31
>>
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>>
>> Olivia 8 x 250
>>
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbj<"g0nbd  kkk z34QU
>> @DK   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQXs[ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk Q cY9L,'6   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd
>> g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  0}^)  g0nbd
>> CQ C1@#Q DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk H1R7Y
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Gary - G4WGT.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
>> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING
>> NOW
>> - 1615 HRS
>>
>> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in
>> parallel
>>
>> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
>> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running
>> on
>>
>> the same pc in beacon mode
>>
>> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference
>> signal
>> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>>
>> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
>> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
>> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
>> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>>
>> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
>> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>>
>> Running  3 mode beacon
>>
>> Dial set   502 khz usb
>>
>> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>>
>> 1250 hz   psk31
>>
>> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>>
>> Reports  welcome
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> G0NBD
>>
>> Io83LK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009
>> 13:10
>>
>
>
>
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>
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>



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Thanks Henny and Victor for the captures and thanks Lubos for monitoring.

 The HT power supply failed last night so I will be on with low power
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> capture xgj,
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Dear LF,=20

Geri DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 137 kHz=
 a few years back.=20

Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler too ;-)

Follow the link below:-=20

http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black=
sheep.org]On Behalf Of M0FMT
  Sent: 05 January 2009 02:37
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: Re: LF: Re: Silent majority


        Hi LF

        Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experime=
ntation of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off=
 the Internet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth=20=
a 1000 words. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with t=
he world by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.  The result may be a bit mor=
e interesting than the shopping lists of stations worked, equipment lists an=
d rig specifications that get churned out ad nauseam over the weekends.

        I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op fr=
iends would feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.

        No, the above suggestion is ridiculous. It does however, Einstein, P=
lanck et al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum bandw=
idth for the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band?  I wil=
l start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed wi=
th less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then ha=
nd shaking could be introduced to ensure error free data transfer a bit like=
 X25 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max.  W=
e need to think outside the box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable modes on=
to 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co with all due respect to Alberto (=
who I admire immensely for his great innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT processi=
ng software) I think,  is over the top. Nobody is into book burning and deni=
al of spectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play with here i=
n the UK.  I consider myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operator not a highfl=
ying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D radio spectrum quantum mechanic, but I would=
 hope we are trying to do more with less and I don=E2=80=99t think Olivia is=
 the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I would expect one o=
f the cardinal points in their specification, along with very narrow BW, to=20=
be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the effect on adjacent stat=
ions not running that particular mode.

        In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming=
 there are any stations still interested in that form of error correcting na=
rrow band data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.

        Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the grou=
nd.

        Vy 73 petefmt



        --- On Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:

          From: Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
          Subject: LF: Re: Silent majority
          To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
          Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM


Steve McDonald wrote:
>> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
>> taken place on MF.
>=20
> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
> Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
> wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
> What an amazing gift.
>=20
> VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
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LF, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Geri=20
DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 137 kHz a fe=
w=20
years back. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
ize=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
ize=3D2>Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler=20
too&nbsp;;-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Follow=20
the link below:-=20
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>73,=20
Dave G3WCB IO91RM</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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        <DIV></DIV>
        <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCal=
ibri           size=3D3>Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide o=
pen for=20
        experimentation of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loa=
ded=20
        for free off the Internet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say=
 a=20
        picture is worth a 1000 words. I have thousands of holiday snaps I w=
ould=20
        like to share with the world by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.<=
SPAN           style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>The result may be a=
 bit more=20
        interesting than the shopping lists of stations worked, equipment li=
sts=20
        and rig specifications that get churned out </FONT><SPAN           s=
tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Aria=
l','sans-serif'">ad=20
        nauseam</SPAN><FONT face=3DCalibri size=3D3> over the weekends.</FON=
T>
        <DIV></DIV>
        <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCal=
ibri           size=3D3>I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur=20=
Radio 600m op=20
        friends would feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.</FONT>
        <DIV></DIV>
        <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCal=
ibri           size=3D3><U>No, the above suggestion is ridiculous.</U> It do=
es however,=20
        Einstein, Planck et al withstanding, beg the question; what is a=20
        suitable maximum bandwidth for the development of new modes on our=20
        British 3Kc/s 600m band? <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</S=
PAN>I=20
        will start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX=
=20
        managed with less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on=
=20
        this band then hand shaking could be introduced to ensure error free=
=20
        data transfer a bit like X25 slow but sure yet confined in a very na=
rrow=20
        bandwidth say 50c/s max. <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</S=
PAN>We=20
        need to think outside the box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable mo=
des=20
        onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co with all due respect to=
=20
        Alberto (who I admire immensely for his great innovations with DSP,=20=
SDR,=20
        FFT processing software) I think, <SPAN           style=3D"mso-space=
run: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>is over the top. Nobody is into=20
        book burning and denial of spectrum to impede progress but we only h=
ave=20
        3kc/s to play with here in the UK. <SPAN           style=3D"mso-spac=
erun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>I consider myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D=20
        operator not a highflying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D radio spectrum=20=
quantum mechanic,=20
        but I would hope we are trying to do more with less and I don=E2=80=
=99t think=20
        Olivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I w=
ould=20
        expect one of the cardinal points in their specification, along with=
=20
        very narrow BW, to be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and=20=
the=20
        effect on adjacent stations not running that particular mode.</FONT>
        <DIV></DIV>
        <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCal=
ibri           size=3D3>In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW=
 skills=20
        assuming there are any stations still interested in that form of err=
or=20
        correcting narrow band data transfer and are still prepared to QSO w=
ith=20
        me.</FONT>
        <DIV></DIV>
        <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCal=
ibri           size=3D3>Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles draggin=
g along the=20
        ground.</FONT>
        <DIV></DIV>
        <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCal=
ibri           size=3D3>Vy 73 petefmt</FONT>
        <DIV></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene=20
        <I>&lt;dibene@usa.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR>
        <BLOCKQUOTE           style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;=20=
BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:=20
          Alberto di Bene &lt;dibene@usa.net&gt;<BR>Subject: LF: Re: Silent=20
          majority<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Monday, 5=20
          January, 2009, 12:05 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Steve McDonald wrote:
&gt;&gt; There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
&gt;&gt; taken place on MF.
&gt;=20
&gt; There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now=
 as
&gt; Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
&gt; wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently do=
es.
&gt; What an amazing gift.
&gt;=20
&gt; VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Hello Dave
If u are in the USA that is lovely copy but Jay did not see anything last ni=
te but I copied him OOO. Pse ur qth=20
de mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: dave.riley3=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09 AM
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  Mal,

  Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


  73s from Dave




  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Jay
  Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and agn=
 2214 utc
  It looks ok so far.
  mal
  g3kev


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If u are in the USA that is lovely copy but=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <A=
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Monitored above contact Sunday 1530.
M0BMUs signal so strong that I thought it was Chris G3XIZ about 1 km from me=
 in Biggleswade testing RTTY at 23Hz shift.   Tried replying then realised i=
t was PSK.   Switched to Digipan and would estimate M0BMU strength 9 and G4J=
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Dear John,

OK, you seem to be copying it - as does F1AFJ!

Now going QRT again,

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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Good morning,
good reception of DF0WD=20
092600  18 -11  0.9    11  0  DF0WD JO42 27        =20
092800   9 -20  0.6     0  0  M0BMU IO91 27=20
=20
vy73
Marco
DD7PC in JN49ax


  _____ =20

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dl4yhf@freenet.de
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Subject: LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning


Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,

Many thanks for the WSPR activity.

To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving sites.
The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:

0900  -7  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27

(automatic uploading of spots to
http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=3Dhtml&band=3D2190&limit=3D50&find=
ca
ll=3D&findreporter=3D&sort=3Ddate

was off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.

At the same period, the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB
... 13 dB less SNR than here at the club station, using the 200 meter
wire antenna. What a difference !
I don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is
frozen still), but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems
to be in the same region as M0BMU.

Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short while now.

73,
  Wolf  DL4YHF ( @ df0wd,  JO42FD) .

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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=3DAr=
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-20&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0&nbsp; M0BMU IO91 27=20
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>dl4yhf@freenet.de<BR><B>Sent:</B> 17 January 2009 10:24<BR><B>To:</B>=20
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests satur=
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morning<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,<BR><BR>Many thanks for the=20=
WSPR=20
activity.<BR><BR>To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving sites.<BR=
>The=20
first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:<BR><BR>0900&nbsp; -7&nbsp;=20
0.5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137500&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 27<BR><BR>(automatic uploading o=
f=20
spots to=20
http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=3Dhtml&amp;band=3D2190&amp;limit=
=3D50&amp;findcall=3D&amp;findreporter=3D&amp;sort=3Ddate<BR><BR>was=20
off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.<BR><BR>At the same period,=20=
the=20
SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB ... 13 dB less SNR than here a=
t=20
the club station, using the 200 meter wire antenna. What a difference !<BR>I=
=20
don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is frozen stil=
l),=20
but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems to be in the same=20
region as M0BMU.<BR><BR>Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short while=20
now.<BR><BR>73,<BR>&nbsp; Wolf&nbsp; DL4YHF ( @ df0wd,&nbsp; JO42FD)=20
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Jim
Joysticks, small loops and probes serve a purpose but there is no substitue 
for the real thing. OH1LSQ is still solid OOO copy here and has been audible 
for some time.Am I the only one copying the signal all day, its a fair old 
distance, but I used to work OH1TN both day and nite, condx used to vary but 
559/579 was normal. I do have a good sea path which no doubt helps.


73 mal/g3kev
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From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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Subject: LF: OH1LSQ QRSS, F5WK WSPR


> Dear Paul-Henrik, Michel, LF Group,
>
> I just checked 136.8kHz, and OH1LSQ is a weak "M" copy signal here, just
> after dark. Will check again later.
>
> F5WK appeared on my WSPR log at 1504utc, and has been solid copy since 
> then.
> In fact, the signal is audible here at about S3 or 4. DF6NM has also been
> copied until 1718.
>
> I have now (1748utc) re-started the M0BMU WSPR beacon - any reports very
> welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>


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LF, Hello all!

I plan to run a test transmission on 136kHz during Friday, Saturday and Sund=
ay
night. The setup is very preliminary/temporary and can not be left unattende=
d
for longer periods. The unprotected ATU has to be brought indoors when not i=
n
use. We expect cold dry weather for the weekend so it should survive while i=
n
use. The estimated ERP based on tests made yesterday is only 20mW. This figu=
re
does not include absorption in nearby objects.

Initially the transmission will be CW only but QRSS3 with CW ID will follow=20=
as
soon as I have the ON7YD keyer software and interface set up.

Antenna: Inverted-L 15m high with 35m horizontal wire. 20 radials 5-25m long=
,
half of them terminated in 0.5m deep earth rods. Rtot estimated to roughly
100ohms.
ATU: Variometer + large loading coil
TX: Keyed 1W 50ohm DDS signal generator feeding a pair of parallell 807's in
class AB1 trough a wideband 1:5 voltage stepup transformer providing 80Vp-p=20=
for
the control grids. Classic parallel tuned tank with adjustable coupling coil=
.
Power output is measured to 65W at 810V/150mA on the plates.

Unless I receive other suggestions for the QRG that will enable QRM-free QRS=
S
reception for interested stations the frequency will be 136.40kHz.

I can not receive on 136kHz during this test. I will inform when QRV/QRT.


Best regards

Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD





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mal hamilton wrote:
> On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation 

Good points Mal. However CW for manual reception and QRSS, to be viewed
on a waterfall display, are fine for all manner of uses and in extremis
QRSS is probably more sensitive than WSPR. However QRSS requires the
receiving station to be actively watching the screen all the time, or to
save traces automatically and then manually review them, by eye, later.

This is rather time consuming and laborious.

WSPR may have it's downsides, and the problems last night with G0NBD
aside, I've never had any problems decoding anything I can visually see,
and also much that I could not hear and would be at the threshold of
QRSS useabilty.

I have confidence that what I see reported by the software is a
reasonable representation of what was transmitted, and it's much easier
to quantify changes in signal strength vs time with the WSPR data than
estimating by eye the quality of a QRSS transmission.

It may not be accurate in terms of actual reported S/N ratio, but it's
consistent from session to session, and gives numbers to work with, if
that's your interest.

Not everyone can sit waiting for the brief propagation opening, so
automating the process at least adds another facet this interesting hobby.

If it hurts no-one then what's the harm?

Regards,

John
GM4SLV




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Good capture of your signal Joe!
2:30z

73

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Dear Mal, LF Group,

Searching on Google under "razor blade radio" or "foxhole radio" will give 
you a few thousand detailed descriptions...

The use of similar kinds of metal-on-metal contact as a radio detector was 
known a long time before WWII - For example, J.C. Bose, who did much early 
microwave work in the 1890s, used this kind of detector (see 
http://www.tuc.nrao.edu/~demerson/bose/bose.html ).

I used to play around with this kind of thing when I was a kid - the problem 
was getting hold of the right kind of razor blade. The ones I could get had 
some sort of insulating coating on them and didn't seem to work. Apparently, 
WWII era razor blades didn't have that. I did get it to work with various 
other odd bits of more or less oxidised metal - I found the trick was to get 
the "cat's whisker" to  touch very gently against the metal surface, but of 
course this was horribly fiddly. I rapidly came to the conclusion that 
diodes were easier to come by and worked a lot better - I suspect the same 
will be true even after WWIII... and you still need to find the headphones!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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Subject: LF: Razor blade RX


Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have had 
several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to submit a 
cct I will await replies. This method was used successfully  at Coldiz and 
other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to MF/LF 
since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.
Build one and have a QSO using this RX
g3kev



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Dear LF Group,

The PSK31 was myself and G3YKB in Watford - going for the record number of 
500k digimode QSOs in one day here!

Also just copied G4WGT's WSPR  at 1752 and 1758 at -28dB and -30dB SNR - the 
band is quite quiet at the moment.

I saw a burst of a MFSK mode earlier, but it was gone before I could try all 
possible modes that might decode it!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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WE2XGR/2 and WE2XGR/3 have QSOed in this mode on 500 kHz...and just about al=
l other modes as well...

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20
  Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 4:23 PM
  Subject: LF: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???


  Hi LF,

  =20

  Is this the first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??

  =20

  =20

  CQ CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk

  =20

  CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20

   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20

   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nb

  =20

  m0bmu ... ok jim  uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu=20

  =20

  copy ok ???  how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham go=
od copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out the softwa=
re still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0nbd

  =20

  ok dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker ! =20

  =20

  fine copy 100%  what is your peak power o/p ????

  =20

  nice to  work you for the first time ..=20

  hr running   30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti  pa block .. multi=
psk ..

  =20

  ae  35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config

  =20

  ok ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still good copy=
 when ur sig barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long inv=
 L antenna from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP should=20=
be close to 1W BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd

  =20

  ok jim fine .. well all 100%  even in a deep qsb dip your signal fell unde=
r the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode ..hihi/.. =20=
i used  250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a good copy under qsb .. bet=
ter than psk ..

  =20

  your signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking on spec-l=
ab and can only see same as my ouit going .......

  =20

  ok .. well  fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti  pa .. im=20=
keeping=20

  power down hihi

  btu jim ???

  =20

  g0ndb de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had had a nasty=
 accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but mostly=20=
OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude modula=
tion in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things a bit sim=
pler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500hz bandwidth=
 variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many complaints about=20=
bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd

   m0bmu .. de g0nbd=20

  =20

  ok fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx button a=
nd the tx stopped hihi=20

  =20

  well this was a quick test to  see if this mode printed better over the no=
ise ...looks to  work very well =20

  =20

  could   change mode ?   8 x 250  that would give a good test ,  reduce to=20=
   8 x 250   8 x 250 ???

  =20

  bkbkbkbk

  =20

  ok graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8 x 50 mod=
e now - pse qrx...ok  changing to  8 x 250

  =20

  73,

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

  =20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WE2XGR/2 and WE2XGR/3 have QSOed in this mo=
de on=20
500 kHz...and just about all other modes as well...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp;=20
WE2XGR/2</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr   style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARG=
IN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary -=20
  G4WGT</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">LF -RSGB LF Group<=
/A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 02, 2009 4:23=
=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 500KHz first Olivia QS=
O=20
  ???</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi=20
  LF,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN=
></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is this the=20
  first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN=
></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">CQ=20
  CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">CQ=20
  CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City> <st1:State =20=
   w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nb=
sp;=20
  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">&nbsp;CQ=20
  CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City> <st1:State =20=
   w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nb=
sp;=20
  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">&nbsp;CQ=20
  CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City> <st1:State =20=
   w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nb<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B=
></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">m0bmu=20
  ... ok jim&nbsp; uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu=20
  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">copy=20
  ok ???&nbsp; how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham go=
od=20
  copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out the softwar=
e=20
  still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B>=
</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
  dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker !&nbsp;=20
  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">fine=20
  copy 100%&nbsp; what is your peak power o/p=20
  ????<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">nice=20
  to&nbsp; work you for the first time .. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">hr=20
  running&nbsp;&nbsp; 30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti&nbsp; pa bl=
ock=20
  .. multipsk ..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ae&nbsp;=20
  35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
  ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still good copy wh=
en=20
  <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">ur</st1:place></st1:City> sig=
 barely=20
  audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long inv L antenna from EE=
R=20
  transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP should be close to 1W BTU=
=20
  graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
  jim fine .. well all 100%&nbsp; even in a deep qsb dip your signal fell un=
der=20
  the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode ..hihi/..&n=
bsp;=20
  i used&nbsp; 250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a good copy under qsb=
 ..=20
  better than psk ..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">your=20
  signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking on spec-lab an=
d=20
  can only see same as my ouit going .......<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P=
>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
  .. well&nbsp; fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti&nbsp; pa=
 ..=20
  im keeping <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">power=20
  down hihi<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">btu=20
  jim ???<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">g0ndb=20
  de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had had a nasty accid=
ent=20
  again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but mostly OK. Yes,=
=20
  output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude modulation in=
=20
  this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things a bit simpler.=20=
You=20
  mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500hz bandwidth variant=
s,=20
  wonder how they compare - would not get as many complaints about bandwidth=
, hi=20
  hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">&nbsp;m0bmu=20
  .. de g0nbd <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
  fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx button and=20=
the=20
  tx stopped hihi <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">well=20
  this was a quick test to&nbsp; see if this mode printed better over the no=
ise=20
  ...looks to&nbsp; work very well&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">could&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  change mode ?&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250&nbsp; that would give a good test ,&nbsp=
;=20
  reduce to&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250=20
  ???<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">bkbkbkbk<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
  graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8 x 50 mode n=
ow -=20
  pse qrx...ok&nbsp; changing to&nbsp; 8 x 250</SPAN></FONT></B><B><FONT   =20=
 face=3DArial><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p=
></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN=
></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     styl=
e=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">73,</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p=
></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     styl=
e=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gary - G4WGT -=20
  IO83QP.</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P>
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Thanx dear Jim for this new contact with you.
Coming soon some WSPR tests in 137 from my location (i have some  problem 
with my DDS)
 
TX:  4xIRFP450 (350w) pilot is an Adret CS201SB.
Antenna:  10m vertical antenna with small capacitive hat (HF MFJ  modified)
Big  loading coil 400mm diameter and variometer inside.
 
RX:  Icom IC7400 with miniwhip or Wellbrook LF1010

F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP
_http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/) 

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<DIV>Thanx dear Jim for this new contact with you.</DIV>
<DIV>Coming soon some WSPR tests&nbsp;in 137 from my location (i have some=20
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4xIRFP450 (350w)&nbsp;pilot is an Adret CS201SB.</B></FONT></DIV>
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Icom IC7400 with miniwhip or Wellbrook LF1010</STRONG></DIV>
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Dear LF Group,

Still watching G4WGT's WSPR signal here - it is interesting to see how it 
copes well with the QSB. Compare the last few decodes:

2006 -30  1.2   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
2014 -22  1.1   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
2018 -22  1.0   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
2024 -27  1.3   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
2030 -24  1.2   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37

with the WSPR spectrogram attached (it looks similar in Spectrum Lab), and 
you can see that although in a significant fraction of each transmission 
period the signal has faded to invisibility, decoding has still been 
successful.

It is also interesting to see in the WSPRnet database that GM4SLV is 
reporting SNR that is consistently several dB better than here at M0BMU, 
although he is nearly 3 times as far from G4WGT.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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Many thanks James!
I have understood all

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


> Dear Andrey, LF Group,
> 
> That should not be a problem for the beacon software, which receives all 
> WSPR signals within a +/- 100Hz band
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU


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Hello Jim,
 
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Thanks John,

I'm not sure as to  what has happened .. but ... I have noticed the
ma1723 has started producing random 'glitches' , the 21-50
looks quite clean .. its also  stopped decoding off as well
the s/n local copy is showing at +60dB on spec lab

But im not decoding Gary on wspr  so im starting to  think
may be the sound card ......mashing things up ?

Ive re balanced the audio from last night and that has
removed the close in noise .. but not the 'spurs'

Just had a qso with gary G4WGT , and all was fine using psk31
and olivia 250x8 (slow !) his new mixer and driver assy is
working fine .. good clean psk signal

G ..

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>
> Hello LF, Graham,
>
> Just started WSPR again, and see a nice bright trace at approx 503.965
> in the 20:40 slot, but again no decode. I see no-one else reported a
> successful decode on WSPRnet at that time either. Looks like still some
> problem?
>
> The 21:44 transmission, fainter on the waterfall decoded with reported
> S/N of -10dB
>
> Very strange!
>
>
> John
>
>



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Jay
Sunset ur end  could be a good start time. I can work Russians sunset and be=
fore fm here across as far as UA9 es UA0 and ZL.

73 mal/g3kev

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  Mal

  Antenna is back up in the air here...but we're expecting a snow storm star=
ting mid afternoon running through tomorrow morning. Suspect static levels w=
ill be high but will be happy to take a look...if you care to transmit at a=20=
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  Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone availab=
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    Temp minus 3 today so far antenna ok

    mal/g3kev



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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF condx vy good at present. Now is the=
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Hi Warren and All,

capture XGJ qrp with qrm,
henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ18-01.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Warren and All,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture XGJ qrp with qrm,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny pa3cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende 
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Hello LF,

A big thank you to all the 'reporters' of my wspr beacon last night.

I was delighted to see such an activity around this wspr operation and the
nice DX with LA9BEA and IK4IDP. I have also to mention the visit at the radi=
oclub
of to young fellows, Nicolas F4DTL and Fabien F4EMV.

By the way the LF equipment performed nicely with almost no glitch (except
twice the USB connexion to the transmitter) and the antenna  prove to be
quite reliable (impedance =3D 40 ohms at the feed point)

The only problem, as Wolf pointed out, is the transmitting location wich is
not as good as our recieve only home QTH. Infortunately the receiving setup
was not able to decode Jim's wspr beacon, so I missed a SNR figure to
compare with.

Anyway, wspr proves to be a very promising mode on LF, and more important fo=
r
me, looks attractive for young people.

73,

Michel Brunel / f5wk



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Jim,

OK the filter bandwidth, well I was using the 500Hz filter in SSB mode &
just changed it to 2.1Khz thinking that was my problem but more QRM now.

Back to 500Hz filter.

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.

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Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR

Dear Nicolas, Gary, LF Group,

What RX bandwidth are you using? Here I have the 250Hz CW filter configured 
as "SSB Narrow", which is removing most of the Lakihegy signal before it 
gets to the IF/audio amp/sound card. I guess if you are using full SSB 
bandwidth, overloading may be an issue.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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>
> OK Jim same version, i dont understand why i cant decode  Uwe.
> Wait and see.
>
>
> F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP
> 




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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:12:52 +0000
Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:

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> So am running a WSPR beacon on 503.47kHz for a while.


I've just re-started the WSPR monitoring, at 12:00z

Will keep an eye on the display over the afternoon, when in/around the
shack, and upload all spots to WSPRnet

Cheers,

John


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Dear LF Group,

Nice signal from YO2X on 505.735kHz here in IO91VR - with remarkably little 
QSB.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Now gone at 1530 utc

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  A spread spectrum transmission has appeared on 500 khz, spreading nearly 2=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now gone at 1530 utc</FONT></DIV>
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Dear Dave,

Assuming frequency was correct, which it had to be if the signal was on the 
WSPR waterfall, you had it set to "RX" and not "idle" (I've done that...), 
the only other thing that springs to mind could be that the PC clock was not 
set accurately, i.e. within a few seconds.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Subject: LF: RE: RE: WSPR beacon on 136kHz - QRT


> Hi Jim, LF.
>
> Sadly no decodes from M0BMU or DF6NM on 136 last night.
> M0BMU was clearly audible and was showing on the waterfall display.
>
> I'm using WSPR 1.01_r1023, and it worked fine on 500kHz the other day.
>
> Am I doing something wrong? (well, yes, obviously, but what!)
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM



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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:37:35 -0000
"Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:

> The GR-874 is an early GenRad "genderless" connector I am sure even a
> "young lad" like you will have seen them on admittanace bridges and
> old sig gens.

Yup, the old "GR Oscillators" for UHF we used to have at work had these
connectors, never knew what the real designation was.

John


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Oops... sorry for the nonsense in my previous message. Those spots must 
have been sent from the home QTH, not from the portable(?) site, as the 
internet connection there was said to be unreliable. At least the timing 
looks perfect now.

73,
  Wolf .


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Thanks John,

Its printing ok off air locally , but I am seeing some 'hash' at about -40 
db
on the spectrum plot .. this im not sure of ... just checked with digipan
as a tone generator imd's are well down so its  not a tx problem as
such .. may be some noise in the exciter audio path , the gains
up quite high for a mic at the moment .. I will try setting it back to
0dBm .. that may quieten it a little .. but not tonight ..

tnx- G ..



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From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: LF: G0NBD difficult to decode

>
> Hello LF,
>
> I'm seeing really strong signals from G0NBD, and it was decoding
> earlier, but now I seem to be unable to get a decode from what should
> be a good string (positive S/N ratio) signal.
>
> I see at WSPRnet that Graham is not being received by quite as many
> stations as I'd have expected. I wonder if there's some strangeness
> with the soundcard sample rates at either the TX or RX end? I've read
> some reports that strong signals often don't decode, when weak ones are
> fine, and sample rates are involved?
>
> Graham, the signal is making it here, bright red on the waterfall, but
> the last 3 periods have failed to decode.
>
> John
>
>



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Dear Uwe, LF Group,

Nil copy since 2124utc - nothing visible on the spectrogram either.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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Hello,

also good copy of AGC and very strong Y ~1.7Hz above agc. Not sure if
the signal above the Y is RU in a slower mode as QRSS60?

good night, vy73

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<P><SPAN class=3D509531923-04012009>also good copy of AGC and very strong Y=20=
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Gentlemen,

solid copy in JO67MR!

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2050 -10  3.2   0.503899  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2056 -19  2.5   0.503869  0 G4JNT IO90 23
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The antenna is a horizontal dipole for 80m (not even in "strapped feeder
vertical mode"!). The in-air S/N figures are probably much better than indicated
by the WSPR program since I am working very close to the RX noise floor because
of the "optimized for bad performance" antenna :-). The noise floor with antenna
connected is only 1 to 2 dB above the noise floor with a 50 ohm dummy.

RX: Perseus
WSPR: v1.01_r1023

73 de Johan SM6LKM

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Hi all,


Got the following decodes:

1748 -12  1.0   0.503498  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1750 -26  1.3   0.503468 -2 G4JNT IO90 23
1756 -21  1.0   0.503498  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1758 -25  1.2   0.503468  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1800 -16  1.7   0.503498  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1802 -22  1.2   0.503468  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1806 -10  0.8   0.503498  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1808 -20  1.1   0.503468  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1812 -19  1.1   0.503498  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1814 -16  1.2   0.503468  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1816 -11  1.0   0.503498  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1818 -18  1.2   0.503468  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1822  -9  1.1   0.503498  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1824 -21  1.3   0.503467 -1 G4JNT IO90 23
1826  -4  1.0   0.503498  0 M0BMU IO91 30


All received using the Perseus and the mini-whip.


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vy 73 + gd DX,

Michael


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Alberto.
The trouble with wspr is that every time one sees a trace they think it is 
wspr and try to decode it !!!!
If the same carrier was keyed on/off in qrs CW mode you would know 
immediately what was happening.
Imagination has now become a sort of digi mode.
g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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>> Just started WSPR again, and see a nice bright trace at approx 503.965
>> in the 20:40 slot, but again no decode. I see no-one else reported a
>> successful decode on WSPRnet at that time either. Looks like still some
>> problem?
>
> Could it be that the station that does not decode, albeit being received
> strong, is not correctly time aligned ? Dimension4 is a very nice tool
> for this. And it is also free...
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
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>


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Dear Uwe, Markus,

That would explain it too - nothing serious I hope...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hi Uwe, Jim and all,
>
> according to my grabber screenshots, it looks as if the DJ8WX transmission 
> had ended in the middle of a WSPR period at 21:45:48 UT.
>
> Regards,
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Mike.
Its the psu for my 136 khz TX. I need a few hundred watts to get 1W erp out.=
 The amp FETS are low V high current.
=20
73 mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  What are you building with that high of a current rating?=20

  Low voltage high current FET amp???

  Mike
  WE0H
  /16



  Mal  wrote:=20
    Tnx to all those replying. Will have to make a trip to Farnell Leeds its=
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    73 mal/g3kev


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Its the psu for my 136 khz TX. I need a few=
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> Shouldn't they be marked as such by the program ? I have seen in the past 
> some rows
> received by WSPR with the tag (bad msg)...  but maybe it catches only some 
> of the errors...

Dear Alberto, LF Group,

You can see some more in my previous e-mail. It seems to be quite common to 
see improbable callsigns popping up, especially when there is narrow-band 
noise present in the passband. I suppose since the transmitted WSJT messages 
are so tightly formatted and compressed, any gobbledygook that comes out of 
the decoder must be formatted as callsigns, locators, etc. But given the 
level of error correction, it does seem suprising that the decoder generates 
false decodes as often as it does. Perhaps the decoder is "trying too hard" 
to fit a valid bit pattern to noisy data.

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hi warren,
nice capture xgj  08:00 utc
henny pa3cpm
best 73s

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi warren,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>nice capture xgj&nbsp; 08:00 utc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny pa3cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>best 73s</FONT></DIV>
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1.9mhz - now what sort of signalling rate can you get on 160Gm?

John F5VLF

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On 18/01/2009 at 16:55 mal hamilton wrote:

>Andy and the Digi Boys
>Would it be possible to move to 1.9 mhz and upwards and leave 137 and 500=20
>khz to the discerning CW radio amateurs
>de mal/g3kev
>
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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>
>> Yes, can't work out where the frequency shift came from.  I did
>> initially lock onto Jim's tramsission at the begining of each of his
>> overs, so I would indeed have jumped in freq a couple of times.
>> Subsequently 'Locked' the Tx frequency and Jim reported no more freq
>> changes from me after that, although he did end up a few Hz lower
>> still.
>>
>> I was using Digipan software which is a bit too QSO-orientated and too
>> easy to shift frequency to follow others.  So it is quite possible to
>> end up chasing eachother up and down the band!
>> Perhaps it would have been better to use G3PLX's  'PSK31SBW' software
>> which puts precise frequency setting first and QSO mode gimmicks
>> second.
>>
>> Anyway, I estimate somewhere between -7 to -4dBW, and will only know
>> better after some antenna base current measurements, rather than doing
>> it an the end of 20m of feeder in the shack.
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/18 DENNIS EASTERLING <dennis.easterling@btinternet.com>:
>>> Monitored above contact Sunday 1530.
>>> M0BMUs signal so strong that I thought it was Chris G3XIZ about 1 km
>from=20
>>> me
>>> in Biggleswade testing RTTY at 23Hz shift.   Tried replying then
>realised=20
>>> it
>>> was PSK.   Switched to Digipan and would estimate M0BMU strength 9 and=20
>>> G4JNT
>>> strength 3 but  both perfectly readable.   I would confirm that G4JNT
>did
>>> drift slightly between overs.
>>>
>>> 73 Dennis M0JXM
>>
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Hi Paul-Henrik,

similar to F1AFJ and others, I usually have two narrowband "transatlantic" grabber windows running 24 hours around 137.777 for W-E 
and 136.318 for E-W, which are useful for QRSS 30 or slower modes. There is also a strip near 137.700 to capture some of the QRSS3 
activity.

The "space" (upper) frequencies of DCF39 and HGA22 during their telegrams are 139.17 and 135.77 kHz. At baudrate multiples (n * 200 
Hz) from these, there are gaps in the FSK sidebands, eg. at 137.77, 137.57, 137.37,... and 135.97, 136.17, etc. However during the 
afternoon and darkness hours, the advantage of these gaps is often compromised by the increased level of Luxembourg sidebands on the 
otherwise quiet "mark" carriers 138.83 and 135.43 kHz.

Good luck
 Markus, DF6NM

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Hello Mal, LF

I will consider a new frequency for tomorrow, right now I know some people have set up their systems logging overnight in the hope 
to find something there in the morning and I can only want to make short excursions elsewhere.

Keep the QRG suggestions coming. How about 136.80 or 137.00kHz? I'm not familiar with the LORAN QRM etc. you are experiencing there. 
136.50kHz got thumbs down already yesterday so it needs to be higher than that.

73's

Paul-Henrik




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Hi all!

As I'm struggling with a virus for some days now, there is a  lot of space for sleeping, weird dreams, and: I put my little home made LW-TRF-Radio beside the matress and hung up a abt. 4sqm wireloop on the balcony which is 80% outdoor, 20% indoor.

Usually listening to "Polskie Radio I" under the blanket, last night (17.I.9) I was on the go enough to tune the tuned-radio-frequncy to other longwave radio channels. Strolling around the broadcast band I found at least *something* beetween the local DLR 177kHz and BBC4 198kHz. 

Listening very carefully from 0:46UT there was Rock Music, short announcements in beetween,  followed by something which sounded like marine weather station reports (??). And yes, it definitely appeared to be   a nordic tongue speaking! Reception was Q2 to Q3 with local noise and interfering neighbour stations in the background. (The shape factor of one bandfilter - although carefully arranged litz-in-potcores - is not that dramatic ;)  ) 

At 1:00UT DLR's (177kHz) switchover to DRM modulation interrupted the reception with terribly broad band noise. The 177kHz-TX is only 29km away from my home.

Taking into account, that the list of LW-TX's lists only Icelands "Ríkisútvarpið" transmitting from Hellisandur on 189kHz, I see high evidence that I really was receiving this one! Distance from google maps distance calculator ist 2505km. Did not expect this to happen in the city center of Berlin and had/have phantasies to try this Hellisandur once portable, from a remote area, with a looooong beverage antenna or something like that. Surprise surprise!

Will do this again today night.

Regards
Dennis
DL6NVC







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Dear LF Group,

Thanks for all the reports - The M0BMU WSPR beacon is still running, and 
will probably QRT at around 0100utc.

So far the reports this evening have been from (in no particular order) 
F1AFJ, GM4SLV, DF6NM, DL4YHF, F5WK, LA9BEA, F4DTL, DK6NI, G4FDD, F4EMV, 
I2PHD, G3WCB and IK1ODO. Many thanks to all - It is good to see some calls 
who are not previously "known" on LF.

I would be interested to try another 136k WSPR session during daylight - 
bearing in mind the long ground wave range on 136k, and the relatively low 
QRN during the day, I think results could be good. Perhaps this weekend.

John - your lack of trees is not such a bad thing on 136k, where they soak 
up a lot of your TX power. In the experiments I did about a year ago, I 
found that an inv L antenna that was nearly identical to the antenna I am 
using now except that it was in the middle of a field, was 24 times as 
efficient as my home antenna, which is surrounded by assorted trees and 
buildings ( it was 6 times more efficient on  500k). So you might not need a 
tall antenna to get a reasonable signal in your treeless landscape. True, I 
am also using quite high power, but then looking at the SNR figures on your 
spots, there is about 10 - 20dB margin over the minimum possible SNR for 
decoding. so you could probably get away with less power too.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Dear Dave, LF Group,

Many thanks to everyone who listened for the WSPR beacons and for all the 
reports. Over the last few weeks, 50 or so stations have copied the beacons, 
in about 14 different countries, so a fair bit of activity has been stirred 
up. It is nice to see that quite a large proportion of reports have come 
from stations who  have not previously been involved with LF/MF, so perhaps 
we have made a few "converts". This is particularly so with 500kHz, where it 
would appear it is often possible to get quite good reception by plugging a 
random wire antenna into a standard receiver, so it is not difficult for 
people to get involved.

I see there were around 40 spots uploaded from Dave, AA1A, through the 
night, with the last one at 0646utc. Would be interested to know if that was 
when the signal dropped out, or if that was when you went QRT?

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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There is no multiple choice option here. Learn to write again or get a 
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> Does anyone have a copy of an electronic version of the NoV
> application form?   The .PDF on the Ofcom website looks to be a
> standard doc for printing and filling out by hand.
> Not having handwriting font on my PC, and gave up writing by hand over
> 20 years ago ... :-)
>
> What sort of field strength evaluations are they looking for?  There
> are too many ways of frigging that calculation.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
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Dear Andrey, LF Group,

It certainly looks like you have WSPR set up correctly. There are not many 
settings to get wrong. The signals from DF6NM are fairly weak, but my 
experience is you should get at least some decodes when the signals are 
visible on the spectrogram like that. However, other people have also had 
trouble decoding WSPR signals at LF and HF, and there seems to be problems 
with some PCs and sound cards that fail to decode weak signals. My 
suggestions would be:
-Try the "QSO version" of WSPR in WSJT 7 - some people have had more success 
with that. It will decode beacon signals OK, but only one signal at a time, 
I think.
-Try running WSPR on a different PC, if you have access to one.

Hope that is helpful - good luck!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrey rn3agc" <rn3agc@mail.ru>
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> Hello LF'ers,
> Tell please to the silly colleague why I cannot decode WSPR? :)
> Has made a screenshot: signal DF6NM is well visible, frequency
> of the receiver below frequency of a signal on 1500 hz -
> - decoding is not present.



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Hi John that is what you get when you become a grumpy ol' geriatric :-))

The pic from Stewart shows a "cheapy"...... the "good" ones have a threaded
"skirt" (whoops ....done it again electronic blue pencil at the ready !!)
which seals RF leakage from the slots on measuring equipment. The beauty of
them is that you can diassemble them and replace all or any of the parts. So
it you get a knackerd one (OH dear !!) you can replace the broken bit and
rejuvenate the kit.

Grumpy Ol' Alan G3NYK


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> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:37:35 -0000
> "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > The GR-874 is an early GenRad "genderless" connector I am sure even a
> > "young lad" like you will have seen them on admittanace bridges and
> > old sig gens.
>
> Yup, the old "GR Oscillators" for UHF we used to have at work had these
> connectors, never knew what the real designation was.
>
> John
>



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Dear Andy,

The database seems to get the second letters from the uploaded data you 
enter in the setup > options menu in WSPR 1.01.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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> It has decided to update my loc. now without having to do anything this
> end!.   Wish it didn't use lower case second letters - that is not the
> standard as defined by the Maidenhead committee!
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
> 2009/1/30 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>
>> I registerd with WSPRnet and it is showing me as a user. Have just 
>> uploaded
>> the first spot.
>> It still gives my loc. as IO90 and not IO90IV
>> What's it got wrong.
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
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Hello Dmitry, Markus, LF,
Capture last night.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


> Hi LF
> 
> Last night on 137.776
> 
> Dmitry
> RA3YO
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mal hamilton wrote:
> Johan
> I have mentioned this several times before but noone seems to know why 
> strong signals or any visible signals do not DECODE. I get some decodes 
> therefore I know my system is working but not sure whether the problem is at 
> the TX or RX end. To me wspr seems unreliable given the strength of signals 
> but producing only marginal decoded output.
> 73 de mal/gkev
> 


Mal, LF,

In general WSPR is very good at decoding weak signals - that's what it's
all about after all - and can give reliable decodes on signals that are
inaudible and only faintly visible on the waterfall. Occasionally there
seem to be certain strong signals that won't decode, when weaker signals
from the same stations are fine.

Some discussion has taken place on the WSPR forum over incompatible
soundcard sampling rates, others on HF have seem the same "won't decode
strong signals" problems too.

In the current case, with G0NBD, I guess the problem, whatever it is, is
  at the sending end, as similarly strong signals from others (M0BMU and
G4JNT) decoded fine here, and elsewhere, yet many people had trouble
with G0NBD's signal.

I see that Chris G3XVL often reports a +13dB s/n ratio for Jim's signal,
which shows that strong signals can decode correctly.


The question of brevity in passing information (ie "having a QSO") is
moot - it's not really intended for that purpose. It's point is to allow
monitoring of the path conditions, using low power "weak signals" - WSPR
stands for "Weaks Signal Propagation Reporting". If you want a mode for
conveying information and exchanging reports then there's a whole gamut
- not least among them good old CW.

WPSR allows the collection, automatically, of data showing the changes
in path conditions over time, with a centralised online database of the
results, allowing others to do whatever number crunching they care to on
the data. For this the mode is perfectly valid, and given low enough
transmit power from the stations involved it shouldn't cause too many
problems for other band users. Last night's results showed that, for
inter-G (even up to Shetland) the ERPs involved were too high. Gary,
with his 5W TX and 2mW ERP is showing the way it should be done - and
that wouldn't cause too much QRM for those seeking CW QSOs elsewhere on
the band.

Using WSPR on 160m recently I discovered that I have a regular opening
to N6TTO on the west coast of USA, and I'm often the only Eu station to
receive him. Relying on more traditional modes I'd probably never have
discovered this. It means that perhaps my location is suitable for 160m,
and might be worth some investment in time/effort to get on the band.
Without the research using WSPR I'd have not realised that my location
was special - although my low noise floor has already proved its worth
on 500kHz.

Just a few thoughts from here.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV



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Keep seeing mention of this WSPR database - feel a Google search coming on.
Full locator is IO90IV,
 or more accurately IO90IV58EI (using GBR36 mapping)
  or   IO90IV58AH (using WGS84)

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/26 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:28:19 -0000
> "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> John, LF,
>>
>> I note that Jim's WSPR is showing 4 locator characters on my WSPR
>> list but 6 on the spots page.
>>
>> Gary - G4WGT.
>>
>
> Hello Gary, LF
>
> WSPR itself only transmits the 4-figures (eg IO90) but if you enter all
> 6 in the options dialogue of the software (along with your correct
> callsign, NOT K1JT - hi!)  then any spots you report to WSPRnet will be
> tagged with your 6-figure locator (as a receiving station). Furthermore
> it appears that the database at WSPRnet is clever enough to apply that
> 6-figure locator to any spots others make of your own transmissions....
>
> If you notice Andy's reports all show him simply as "IO90" - when most
> other people are 6-figure accurate. I can only assume it's because he's
> never sent a spot to the database as a RX station, with his accurate
> 6-figure locator attached. If he did so then all later reports of HIS
> signal would be 6-figure accurate too, due to the database cleverness.
>
> Not really a problem, but it aids accurate distance calculation.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>


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Subject: Re: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae .. geting silly !!!
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Just had this spot from OR7T  ....  500 mW feed power  to  35 ft top loaded 
vertical ..!

2009-01-30 20:50   G0NBD   0.503952   -21   0   IO83lk   +13   0.020   OR7T 
JO20ix   594   369


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Subject: Re: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae

>
> Still looks to  be working at range .. outstanding !
>
> all I can do  next is take the drive from the exciter direct to the Ae ?
> G ..
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>>
>> Ok All ,
>>
>> Well   from what I can measure  , power to the Ae is  500mW at the moment
>> as of about 20-25 hrs ...
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>> Initial level was 30 watts  feed
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>> See what happens ?
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>> G ..
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73s
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Dear Warren,

Mmm... Well, if conditions are very good, they might hear SK6RUD's lifeboat 
TX, and be able to effect a rescue :-)

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Jim,
>
>         It is the founder's dream to restore 500kHz as a maritime cw
> traffic frequency.
> Most likely, it will be contact other similarly licensed 'coastal
> stations' and perhaps some 'museum' ships.



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On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:43:21 +0200
Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi> wrote:

> Hello LF!
> 
> Transmitting CW ID + QRSS3 ID on 136.80kHz.
> 
>

Hello Paul-Henrik, LF,

I've swapped from WSPR monitoring to SPecLab monitoring for OH1LSQ
(time now 09:50UTC) - I#m not too hopeful of seeign anything in
daylight....

Cheers,

John


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Hello LF, Graham,

Just started WSPR again, and see a nice bright trace at approx 503.965
in the 20:40 slot, but again no decode. I see no-one else reported a
successful decode on WSPRnet at that time either. Looks like still some
problem?

The 21:44 transmission, fainter on the waterfall decoded with reported
S/N of -10dB

Very strange!


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Hello Paul-Henrik, the frequency here is 505,734.
 
F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

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KN05PS
That's the same locator as YO2IS, maybe Sigi knows more?

73, Rik  ON7YD -OR7T


Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> Hello LF!
>
> Receiving YO2X on 505.8kHz here for the first time 1740UTC.
>
> Transmission is CW/QRSS with the CW audible RST 319 with msg "YO2X KN05PS"
>
> See attached picture for Argo screencapture.
>
>
> My congratulations to the operator(s)!
>
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
>



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Ed and Dave,

By all means NEVER pay full price for anything. This is the ham motto, still 
to this day...
Conversion of anything to anything means that I am tired of soldering, 
cutting holes, buying knobs, chassis, and meters, etc...
Someone should have told me this while still a pre puberty ham...  But I 
lament...

This Mitsubishi DA-A7DC stereo amp came from the dump and I don't know why.
It was cosmestically pure and even seemed to work, but I yanked all circuits 
and boards from the inputs to the final transistors and laid in a very 
standard circuit made of toroids, IRF PF50 power FETS good for 900volts @ 
6.7 amps each for cheap e-bay prices...
Using a network analyzer of any sort helps out with tuning the thing as you 
can substitute a resistor for the FET, look backwards and come mighty close 
to F-sub-O and Z of your tank circuit. Following standard engineering rules 
to effectively eliminate harmonics is worth the time also as well, and use 
series C/R loads and ferite beads to keep the VHF stuff from happening in 
the first place.
This stereo ( now MONO ) amp just makes power @ 100W all day with key down 
and no fan, thanks to whomever threw this thing away @ the dump. The power 
supply is a LOT more than I needed with 50volts DC @ about 8+ amps 
available. I use the 50V and 2 amps, the single stage PP amp only takes 
about a watt to drive giving me about 13db of conservative gain with plenty 
of head room. Watch the Z of your windings, turns ratios... I am NOT on a 50 
ohm standard, but only what it takes to get to the grids of the SB600M (tm) 
pair of 572Bs that barely show redness on the plates at full throttle of 1KW 
input.
And those GIANT heat sinks on the stereo amp just begged to be filled with 
efficient TX FETS too... This driver alone was copied all over the same DX 
places as with the afterburner ( SB600M ), only weaker...
And don't scoff @ the dump thing...  This week brought a gleaning of 400' 
feet of brand new Andrew 1/2" copper hardline, just what I was looking for 
to add a parasitic loop to the near field of this one making effective 'R' 
go more towards ZERO in conformity to Bill Ashlock, WE2XGR/4 loop theorum...

As for the transverter transceiver, this old beat up IC706A is still 
slugging away, and in another life was used as a baseband all mode 
transceiver from 2M to 10 ghz. I found a way to accrurately set the QRG with 
a Jew's harp or harmonica to within a few HZ @ 10.368 ghz. It was too simple 
to understand at first... hihi  So now the 706 has literally transceived 
from DC to light, thanks to ICOM for the baseband radio...
The same IC706 was also used @ 474 thz. ( laser ) for some long haul QSOs 
and cloud bounce, but that was much simpler than with the 10ghz. 
transverter, namely by literally placing a laser diode on the antenna 
connection of the transceiver, DC biased accordingly and coupled correctly 
made for some fairly decent all mode laser transmissions...  Same thing for 
receive... I couldn't believe it... Like Eureka!!
If you can't 'open' the Electrocraft @ 10 mhz. then use a ham band IF that 
you like, such as starting @ 3.5 mhz, then by the time you get to 4 mhz, you 
are all set for 0-500 kcs. Or even 28 mhz which will allow you to go from 
0-1.7 mhz. the Electrocraft is a shoe in for this kind of use...

As for Mini-Circuits, here is the web page that you can see all sorts and 
parameters of any circuit including pricing which I drooled over for weeks 
before placing a giant order for a big box of 'plug and play' parts...  This 
was in conjunction to a project of making a $65,000 dollar Agilent VNA which 
works from 50mhz. to 40 ghz. work all the way down from the low limit of 
50mhz. to about 50 khz....
The latter project had me buying the really MINI small units and then 
stuffing them in a very small professional case a little larger than the 
size of a pack of butts...

Try Mini Circuits, but look on e-bay first>>> 
http://www.minicircuits.com/sitemap.html
You can also find a bucket of various type mini amps on e-bay as well...

Too much fun for my limited BW...


BTW, how did that Efratom Rubidium Reference work out for you? Is it fairly 
quiet in close to the carrier??

TNX from Dave @ 17





> Dave,
>
> You are doing with your IC-706 what I have been thinking to do, only I 
> hope to acquire a Elecraft K3 in the fall.  With it I would have separate 
> Rx and Tx antenna connections and the low power xvtr Tx output as standard 
> features, so I could dispense of one RF splitters.  I recently acquired 
> one of the Efratom Rubidium Reference Oscillators to provide me with very 
> accurate 10-MHz for my station.  I think I could obtain +10 dBm to drive a 
> mixer from the 4-way DEMI 10-MHz distribution amp that will take the 
> Rubidium signal and route to several items in the shack (including the 
> K3).
>
> Could you send me the Mini-Circuit part numbers of the system you built?
>
> I guess the only other issue would be to convince Elecraft to modify my K3 
> to transmit 10.100-10.510 MHz.



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Does anyone?


On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:14:55 +0000
"Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I don't.
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/1/18 Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>:
> > mal hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> Andy and the Digi Boys
> >> Would it be possible to move to 1.9 mhz and upwards and leave 137
> >> and 500 khz to the discerning CW radio amateurs
> >> de mal/g3kev
> >
> > Please don't listen to Mal. I am much interested in receiving
> > digital signals
> > on the 137 and the 500 kHz bands. Much more interesting than boring
> > dih-dah-dih.
> >
> > 73  Alberto  I2PHD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 


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ETA HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"><T=
ITLE>Message</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>In addition to this..<br><br>&gt;&gt;&gt; A=
t the moment (10:38 UTC) I can see a 3rd stn transmitting WSPR on 137.517 (-=
ish), but still masked by a carrier here,<br>so only visible but not decodab=
le.<br>If the sender is reading this, I suggest to QSY 20 Hz up, or 30 Hz do=
wn.<br>&lt;&lt;<br><br>Mystery solved: It's DL3ZID, and for some reason the=20=
instance of WSPR running here (at DF0WD) refused to send that spot to the da=
tabase !<br><br>1038 -10&nbsp; 3.3&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137517&nbsp; 0 DL3ZID J<br>=
<br>Hello Eberhard, nice to meet you again !<br><img src=3D"file:///C:/DOKUM=
E%7E1/DL4YHF/LOKALE%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg" alt=3D""><br><br>73,<br>&nb=
sp; Wolf .<br><br>
----- original Nachricht --------<br>
<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning DF0WD &amp; M0BMU<br=
><b>Gesendet:</b> Sa 17 Jan 2009 10:51:41 CET<br><b>Von:</b> "Dave G3WCB"&lt=
;ganymede444@btopenworld.com&gt;<br><br><title>Message</title>

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<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"039234609-17012009">Jim,=
 Wolf, LF,=20
</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"039234609-17012009"></sp=
an></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"039234609-17012009">Rece=
ption as=20
follows:-</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<br>093600&nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; 10&nbsp; 1.1&nbsp;&nbsp; -10&nbsp; 0&nbsp; M0=
BMU=20
IO91 27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>094200&nbsp;&nbs=
p; 3=20
-21&nbsp; 1.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0&nbsp; DF0WD JO42=20
27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>094400&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
7&nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; 1.2&nbsp;&nbsp; -10&nbsp; 0&nbsp; M0BMU IO91=20
27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"039234609-17012009">73,=20=
Dave G3WCB=20
IO91RM</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<blockquote>
  <div class=3D"OutlookMessageHeader" dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><font face=
=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b>=20
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Scholz, Mar=
co=20
  <br><b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2009 09:32<br><b>To:</b>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br><b>Subject:</b> LF: RE: 137 kHz WSPR tests=
=20
  saturday morning<br><br></font></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font c=
olor=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Good morning,</font></span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font c=
olor=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">good reception of DF0WD </font></=
span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"></span>=
<span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" si=
ze=3D"2">092600&nbsp; 18=20
  -11&nbsp; 0.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 11&nbsp; 0&nbsp; DF0WD JO42=20
  27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>092800&nbsp;&nbsp;=20=
9=20
  -20&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0&nbsp; M0BMU IO91 27=20
  </font></span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font c=
olor=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font c=
olor=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">vy73</font></span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font c=
olor=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Marco</font></span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font c=
olor=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">DD7PC in </font></span><span clas=
s=3D"057413009-17012009"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">J=
N49ax</font></span></div><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><=
/font><br>
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us">
  <hr tabindex=3D"-1">
  <font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b>From:</b> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <b>On Behalf Of=20
  </b>dl4yhf@freenet.de<br><b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2009 10:24<br><b>To:</b>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br><b>Subject:</b> LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests=20
  saturday morning<br></font><br></div>
  <div></div>Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,<br><br>Many thanks for th=
e=20
  WSPR activity.<br><br>To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving=20
  sites.<br>The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:<br><br>0900&nb=
sp;=20
  -7&nbsp; 0.5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137500&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 27<br><br>(automatic=20
  uploading of spots to=20
  http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=3Dhtml&amp;band=3D2190&amp;limit=
=3D50&amp;findcall=3D&amp;findreporter=3D&amp;sort=3Ddate<br><br>was=20
  off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.<br><br>At the same period=
,=20
  the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB ... 13 dB less SNR than=20=
here=20
  at the club station, using the 200 meter wire antenna. What a difference=20
  !<br>I don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is fr=
ozen=20
  still), but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems to be in=
 the=20
  same region as M0BMU.<br><br>Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short whil=
e=20
  now.<br><br>73,<br>&nbsp; Wolf&nbsp; DL4YHF ( @ df0wd,&nbsp; JO42FD)=20
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In addition to this..

>>> At the moment (10:38 UTC) I can see a 3rd stn transmitting WSPR on 137.5=
17 (-ish), but still masked by a carrier here,
so only visible but not decodable.
If the sender is reading this, I suggest to QSY 20 Hz up, or 30 Hz down.
<<

Mystery solved: It's DL3ZID, and for some reason the instance of WSPR runnin=
g here (at DF0WD) refused to send that spot to the database !

1038 -10  3.3   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J

Hello Eberhard, nice to meet you again !


73,
  Wolf .

----- original Nachricht --------

Betreff: LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning DF0WD & M0BMU
Gesendet: Sa 17 Jan 2009 10:51:41 CET
Von: "Dave G3WCB"<ganymede444@btopenworld.com>

Jim, Wolf, LF,  Reception as follows:-                      =20
093600   7  10  1.1   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 27        =20
094200   3 -21  1.5     1  0  DF0WD JO42 27        =20
094400   7   8  1.2   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 27        =20
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org]On Behalf Of Scholz, Marco=20
Sent: 17 January 2009 09:32
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning

Good morning,good reception of DF0WD 092600  18 -11  0.9    11  0  DF0WD JO4=
2 27        =20
092800   9 -20  0.6     0  0  M0BMU IO91 27  vy73MarcoDD7PC in JN49ax
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org] On Behalf Of dl4yhf@freenet.de
Sent: 17 January 2009 10:24
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning

Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,

Many thanks for the WSPR activity.

To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving sites.
The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:

0900  -7  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27

(automatic uploading of spots to http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=
=3Dhtml&band=3D2190&limit=3D50&findcall=3D&findreporter=3D&sort=3Ddate

was off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.

At the same period, the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB ... 13=
 dB less SNR than here at the club station, using the 200 meter wire antenna=
. What a difference !
I don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is frozen st=
ill), but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems to be in the=
 same region as M0BMU.

Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short while now.

73,
  Wolf  DL4YHF ( @ df0wd,  JO42FD) .

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RTTY uses the Murray code and the baud rate is normally 45, 50 or 75 and tra=
nsmitted in FSK mode. For those operators that can read the code it can be r=
ead directly on a waterfall display. IE for RY normal test sequence the elem=
ents are R =3D 2 and 4,  and Y=3D 1 3 5. It can be read in a similar way to=20=
visual morse. This would possibly be a good system to use if slowed down sim=
ilar to QRS morse, with all the benefits.
You do not need a teleprinter or any sort of print display, just read it dir=
ectly off the waterfall display, 1 ele start, 5 elements info, and 1 and 1/2=
 elements stop. (total 7-1/2 elements per character) easy to ID and read.
73 mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Piotr M=C5=82ynarski=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:14 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: NON MORSE


  mal hamilton wrote:=20
    I have been looking around the various HF bands for NON MORSE acty and f=
ind  that the old RTTY is the most prolific mode in use, it looks like the u=
se of other data modes are rare, perhaps more suited to V/UHF EME work etc.
    g3kev

  Hello Mal., LF  group
  i do not agree with you.  I guess if  you  had taken more time for  your w=
atch of HF bands your conclusions would be different.=20
  it is sometimes  useful to  extend time basis for making more reliable "av=
erages " , hi.  in my opinion it is  PSK31  as  #1  these days.
  Of course from historical reasons rtty  dominated in ether  for many years=
 but  the last decade has changed it  when  DSP =20
  techniques came into play along with PC's in almost every house etc... . b=
tw, rtty  as you know is based on a Baudot code known before=20
   radio waves were 'discovered' and used  to carry information . the popula=
rity of rtty is based on the selfsynchronizing properties of the
   7bit Baudod code ( 1 start bit one stop bit + 5 bits for letters/nonlette=
rs dot, hyphen....)  it is not arq mode  so you can listen to it anytime etc=
..
  like CW which is also  itself selfsynchronizing i.e you know very well whe=
n it is started stopped etc... PSK  works the same way -  from all=20
  so called 'digital' modes it  is like a live qso with its speed similar to=
 CW and so one and the selfsynchronizing properties due to the varicode of G=
3PLX
  are great !  that is why , in my opinion psk31 wins these days.  my first=20=
psk qso was almost 10 years ago and i work mainly psk on HF bands  tiill now=
.
   I  do think it is the most popular digi mode at present.=20

  Dear Mal, here is one issue more ...
  i do observe the ongoing discussion between you and others concerning the=20=
CW vs other modes.  in a moment i will add my comment to this
    but in the form of example of one of my psk qso which i will remember  f=
orever. it was  in the early 2000's  when the prop was not that bad
   and i had regular(everyday basis)  qso  with US stations at the evenings=20=
on 14 Mhz . it was an  american callsign - i do not remember  it ( but can l=
ook into my logbook if you want)  but what i do remember he was 86 years old=
  , all time ( both his work and his hobby) a CW operator   but by that time=
 he was deaf, completely deaf  and he told me" Peter, i can not use my EARS=20=
 i am a deaf person i can not use CW anymore but i can use my EYES and due t=
o psk i still can enjoy my radiohobby"  - please, excuse my english but the=20=
sense of  the words of this old man is obvious.=20
  so  at least two points are emerging...
  1.  we have ears we have eyes  =3D  both human senses  can be used  to  'r=
ead' the information which modulates the radiowave
  2.  the dsp techniiques are more superior  to CW these days as far as S/N=20=
is concerned

                                           again, HNY  2009 , yours, peter,=20=
sq7mpj

  qth:   lodz, poland /jo91rs/





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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>RTTY uses the Murray code and the baud rate=
 is=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dsq7mpj@toya.net.pl href=3D"mailto:sq7mpj@toya.net.pl">Piotr=20
  M=C5=82ynarski</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
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14=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: NON MORSE</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>mal hamilton wrote:=20
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HF bands=20
    for NON MORSE acty and&nbsp;find&nbsp; that the old RTTY is the most=20
    prolific mode in use, it looks like the use of other data modes are rare=
,=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Hello Mal., LF&nbsp; group<BR>i do not agr=
ee=20
  with you.&nbsp; I guess if&nbsp; you&nbsp; had taken more time for&nbsp; y=
our=20
  watch of HF bands your conclusions would be different. <BR>it is=20
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=20
  "averages " , hi.&nbsp; in my opinion it is&nbsp; PSK31&nbsp; as&nbsp;=20
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s in=20
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ot=20
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; to=20
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t=20
  one stop bit + 5 bits for letters/nonletters dot, hyphen....)&nbsp; it is=20=
not=20
  arq mode&nbsp; so you can listen to it anytime etc..<BR>like CW which is=20
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ted=20
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=20
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to=20
  CW and so one and the selfsynchronizing properties due to the varicode of=20
  G3PLX<BR>are great !&nbsp; that is why , in my opinion psk31 wins these=20
  days.&nbsp; my first psk qso was almost 10 years ago and i work mainly psk=
 on=20
  HF bands&nbsp; tiill now.<BR>&nbsp;I&nbsp; do think it is the most popular=
=20
  digi mode at present. <BR><BR>Dear Mal, here is one issue more ...<BR>i do=
=20
  observe the ongoing discussion between you and others concerning the CW vs=
=20
  other modes.&nbsp; in a moment i will add my comment to this<BR>&nbsp; but=
 in=20
  the form of example of one of my psk qso which i will remember&nbsp; forev=
er.=20
  it was&nbsp; in the early 2000's&nbsp; when the prop was not that=20
  bad<BR>&nbsp;and i had regular(everyday basis)&nbsp; qso&nbsp; with US=20
  stations at the evenings on 14 Mhz . it was an&nbsp; american callsign - i=
 do=20
  not remember&nbsp; it ( but can look into my logbook if you want)&nbsp; bu=
t=20
  what i do remember he was 86 years old&nbsp; , all time ( both his work an=
d=20
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p;=20
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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Hello Heinz,

 

I also will be QRV on 136.5 kHz next Sunday morning and try to call you (if
weather is not too bad regarding my outdoor-loading coil, hi) 

We had already some QSO's on LF some years ago (hi).

Hopefully that the LF-activities are increasing...

 

vy 73 de Gerhard  /  DK6NI

 

============================= 

  _____  

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von H. Schnait
Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Januar 2009 16:49
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: 137

 

this should be 136.5kHz of course...

73 Heinz

Heinz Schnait schrieb: 

I will be QRV on 137.5kHz in regular CW on Sunday morning, abt. 08.00 -
11.00 UTC

Heinz, OE5EEP

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I also will be=20=
QRV on 136.5
kHz next Sunday morning and try to call you (if weather is not too bad regar=
ding
my outdoor-loading coil, hi) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We had already=20=
some QSO&#8217;s
on LF some years ago (hi).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hopefully that=20=
the LF-activities
are increasing&#8230;..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
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N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>vy 73 de Gerhar=
d&nbsp;
/&nbsp; DK6NI<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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ld'>Im
Auftrag von </span></b>H. Schnait<br>
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 2009
16:49<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: LF: 137</span></=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>this should be 136.5kHz of course...<br>
<br>
73 Heinz<br>
<br>
Heinz Schnait schrieb: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3 color=3Db=
lack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I will be QRV=
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in regular CW on Sunday morning, abt. 08.00 - 11.00 UTC<br>
<br>
Heinz, OE5EEP<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Hi LF,

 

The previous Olivia mode I reported was 32 x 1000 (32 tones at 1000Hz
bandwidth), then the operators changed to 8 x 250 (8 tones at 250Hz
bandwidth)

 

This is what I decoded in the 8 x 250 Olivia mode after I sussed out how to
set the new mode :-

 

ok jim .. copy looks ok so far  .. text speed is lower so mayb not have a
big reduction in s/n ??  

 

should of had a test tape to  send hihi .. but dident expect to get a data
dx qso hihi

 

ok btu de g0nbd

 

'N3@<5&\E`Pd/7zNmL.K@v(c[mR:1<B7>e_F{9q<2t the on-line help it says speed in
this mode is 14wpm against 24wpm, so not too bad if you consider it is using
only a quarter of the bandwidth. Still faster than my CW anyway, hi hi. I
suppose a possible attraction of a wider bandwidth is it might help with the
selective fading, but quite hard to tell without a long beacon test. HW???
btu, graham, de m0bmu kkk

 

ok m0bmu de g0nbd

 

ok jim well that printed at 100 % as well but a little slower hihi

 

you had one deep fade out in qsb .. but most of the time the signal was over
the noise ..

 

well  i dont know who picked up the beacon from my stn .. i dident post
notes in the other news groups .... yahoo  multipsk and the digital group ..
quite a stns have taken partin the past from those groups ..  no cw qrm as
well hihi  .. are you still using the same power ?? i simply  changed modes
.. all other setingd the same

 

btu  de g0nbd kkk

 

g0ndb de 0bmu fb again Graham, that was quite impressive, with the signal
fading to nothing on the speaker and not visi't one waterfazseverap ti}s,
but perhaps -por 5 characters corrupted overall. Yes, still using the same
power here, just clicked on thode button on the screen and kept fingers
crossed, hi. The digital modes do seem to generate quite a bit of interest
outside LF Group circles, which can only be good thing, I think. The WSPR
beacon sessions were good, with reports popping up from lots of unexpected
places - will definitely be doing that again in the near future. Nw will
have to say 73 cos I need to make new years phone call to some relations, so
QRU? Graham??? de M0BMU kkkaf:

 

 

m0bmu de g0nbd

 

ok dr jim well .. looks like we have made the first 100% data dx qso ihhi

 

yes . when i have run tests in the past .. ive posted in other groups .. and
had quite a lot of swl reports as well

 

ok well i wish you best 737373  happy new year , 

 

and thanks for taking some flack hihi  

 

but im not too worried .. hihi  as im sure i was not out side the band hiihi

 

ok well hope fully gary g4wgt will be active on these modes soon .. hes 95%
sorted .. just needs some power ihi

 

ok 737373  and tnx fr the nice qso

 

m0bmu de g0nbd

 

clr 

 

bmu sk 

 

Cheers,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Hi LF,<o=
:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>The
previous Olivia mode I reported was 32 x 1000 (32 tones at 1000Hz bandwidth)=
,
then the operators changed to 8 x 250 (8 tones at 250Hz bandwidth)<o:p></o:p=
></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>This is
what I decoded in the 8 x 250 Olivia mode after I sussed out how to set the=20=
new
mode :-<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok jim .. copy looks ok so far=
&nbsp; .. text
speed is lower so mayb not have a big reduction in s/n ??&nbsp; <o:p></o:p><=
/span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>should of had a test tape to&n=
bsp; send hihi ..
but dident expect to get a data dx qso hihi<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok btu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>'N3@&lt;5&amp;\E`Pd/7zNmL.K@v(=
c[mR:1&lt;B7&gt;e_F{9q&lt;2t
the on-line help it says speed in this mode is 14wpm against 24wpm, so not t=
oo
bad if you consider it is using only a quarter of the bandwidth. Still faste=
r
than my CW anyway, hi hi. I suppose a possible attraction of a wider bandwid=
th
is it might help with the selective fading, but quite hard to tell without a
long beacon test. HW??? btu, graham, de m0bmu kkk<o:p></o:p></span></font></=
b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok m0bmu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></=
span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok jim well that printed at 10=
0 % as well but a
little slower hihi<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>you had one deep fade out in q=
sb .. but most of
the time the signal was over the noise ..<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>well&nbsp; i dont know who pic=
ked up the beacon
from my stn .. i dident post notes in the other news groups .... yahoo&nbsp;
multipsk and the digital group .. quite a stns have taken partin the past fr=
om
those groups ..&nbsp; no cw qrm as well hihi&nbsp; .. are you still using th=
e
same power ?? i simply&nbsp; changed modes .. all other setingd the same<o:p=
></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>btu&nbsp; de g0nbd kkk<o:p></o=
:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>g0ndb de 0bmu fb again Graham,=
 that was quite
impressive, with the signal fading to nothing on the speaker and not visi't=20=
one
waterfazseverap ti}s, but perhaps -por 5 characters corrupted overall. Yes,
still using the same power here, just clicked on thode button on the screen=20=
and
kept fingers crossed, hi. The digital modes do seem to generate quite a bit=20=
of
interest outside LF Group circles, which can only be good thing, I think. Th=
e
WSPR beacon sessions were good, with reports popping up from lots of unexpec=
ted
places - will definitely be doing that again in the near future. Nw will hav=
e
to say 73 cos I need to make new years phone call to some relations, so QRU?=
 Graham???
de M0BMU kkkaf:<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>m0bmu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok dr jim well .. looks like w=
e have made the
first 100% data dx qso ihhi<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>yes . when i have run tests in=
 the past .. ive
posted in other groups .. and had quite a lot of swl reports as well<o:p></o=
:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok well i wish you best 737373=
&nbsp; happy new
year , <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>and thanks for taking some fla=
ck hihi&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>but im not too worried .. hihi=
&nbsp; as im sure i
was not out side the band hiihi<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok well hope fully <st1:City w=
:st=3D"on"><st1:place  w:st=3D"on">gary</st1:place></st1:City> g4wgt will be=
 active on these modes soon
.. hes 95% sorted .. just needs some power ihi<o:p></o:p></span></font></b><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok 737373&nbsp; and tnx fr the=
 nice qso<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>m0bmu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

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Where is the mid band beacon  'Jumping Jack Splash' ?

There was some extended cw activity on the band to day but not a beep

Must still have a problem with the secondary spark gap !

G ..

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Hi lf-group,
i am sorry of my mistake,   DL3ZID JO53 8    is rigth. And i have some 
truble whith my PC-clock.
here is the complete list of decoded spots.

73 Eberhard


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103200  Transmitting: WSPR    CQ DL3ZID JO53                          
103600   5 -15  1.3 -1003  0                       
103600   6   2  1.5  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
104228  Transmitting: WSPR    DF0WD <DL3ZID> S1                       
104200   6   1  0.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
104545  Transmitting: WSPR    CQ DL3ZID JO53                          
104400   5 -15  1.2 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
104400   6 -12  1.2 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
104800  Transmitting: WSPR    DL3ZID J                                
105800   5 -11  1.1 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
110200   5   3  1.4  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
110200   1 -14  1.6  -983 -4                       
110200   5   2  1.4  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
110200   1 -15  1.6  -983 -4                       
110200   5   2  1.4  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
110200   1 -15  1.6  -983 -4                       
110200   5   2  1.4  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
110200   1 -15  1.6  -983 -4                       
110200   6   1  1.5  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        

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100600   7 -14 -2.2 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
100800   7   2 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
101000   7 -12 -2.3 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
101400  Transmitting: WSPR    DL3ZID J                                
101600  10   1 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
102000   7 -14 -2.3 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
102400   7 -13 -2.1 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
102800   6 -14 -2.2 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
104000   9   1 -1.7  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
105600   6 -12 -2.3 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
105600   8   1 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
111600   9 -13 -2.4 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
112400   9 -11 -2.3 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
113200   9 -12 -2.3 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
114000  10 -12 -2.3 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
114200   7 -19 -1.6  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
114400   7 -11 -2.3 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
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114800   5 -18 -1.6  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
115400   8   2 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
115600   6 -17 -1.5  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
115800   8   1 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
120200   6 -17 -1.5  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
120600   5   2 -1.9  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
120800   6 -18 -1.6  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
121400   8 -19 -1.6  -936  0                       
121600   4  -5 -1.9  -993  0                       
122200   4 -11 -2.0  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 20        
122200   5 -18 -1.7  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
122800   8 -14 -2.1  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 20        
122800   5 -19 -1.6  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
123200  12 -14 -2.0  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 20        
123400   7 -13 -2.0  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 20        
123800   8   1 -1.9  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
124200   7   0 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
124600   7   0 -1.7  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 27        

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130000   1 -24  0.3  -916  1                       
130200   7 -14 -2.2  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 13        
130600   9 -13 -2.0  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 17        
130800   7 -11 -2.0  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 17        
131200   7  -1 -1.8  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
132200   4 -20 -1.8  -935  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
132200   5 -21 -2.0  -935  0  DF6NM JN59 23        

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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132800   8  -9 -1.7  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
133047  Transmitting: WSPR    DL3ZID J                                

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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134600   1 -26  6.2  -932 -1                       


UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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145002  Transmitting: WSPR    CQ DL3ZID JO53                          
150400   5 -21 -2.7  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
151400   6 -17 -0.5  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
152000   8 -15 -0.7  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
152600   2 -27  0.6  -946  0                       
152600   7 -13 -0.7  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
153400   7 -12 -0.3  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
154000   6 -13 -0.4  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
154600   7 -15 -0.6  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
155200   9 -17 -0.6  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
155800   5 -20 -0.6  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
160000   3 -21  1.0  -946  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
160400   7 -21 -0.5  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
160600   5 -22  1.2  -946  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
161000   9 -19 -0.5  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
161400   6 -20 -0.4  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
161800   6 -18  1.2  -946  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
162000   5 -24 -0.5  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
162400   4 -21  0.9  -946  0                       
162600   5 -23 -0.3  -927  0                       
163200   4 -23  0.9  -946  0                       
163200   4 -26 -0.7  -927  0                       
163800   3 -23 -0.4  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
164400   3 -24 -0.5  -926  0                       
164600   2 -23  1.3  -946  0                       
164600   3 -23  1.3  -945  0                       
165000   6 -21 -0.4  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
165400   8 -19  1.2  -945  0                       
165400   8 -19  1.2  -945  0                       
165400   8 -19  1.2  -945  0                       
170000   8 -22 -0.9  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
170200   5 -21  1.5  -945  0                       
170200  0  -16 -1.5 -709 16                                       
170200  0  -16  3.0 -703 36                                       
170200  0  -16  3.0 -703 36                                       
170400  0  -33  1.2 -685 37                                       
170600   5 -19 -0.7  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
171000   2 -25  1.5  -945  0                       
171200   9 -17 -0.9  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
171800   6 -17 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
172400   6 -16 -0.9  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
173000   7 -15 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
173600   7 -16 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
174200   7 -18 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
174800   6 -17 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
175400   7 -17 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
180000   8 -16 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
180600   7 -15 -0.7  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
180600   5  -6 -0.7 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
181200   8 -16 -0.7  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
181400   7 -14 -0.6 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
181800   6 -16 -0.9  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
182000   7 -16 -0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
182400   4 -15  1.0 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
182400   7 -17  0.9  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 18
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091200   6 -12 -1.1 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
092000   4 -15 -1.0 -1003 -1  M0BMU IO91 23        
092800   5 -14 -1.1 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
093400   1 -20  0.6 -1071  1                       
095600   1 -24  5.9  -916  0                       
100000   1 -23 -3.7  -893  0                       

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 18
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103800   5 -13  1.0 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104000   6 -14  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104000   6 -12  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104000   6 -13  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104200   6 -11  0.7 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104400   5 -11  0.8 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104600   5 -12  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104800   5 -12  0.8 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
105000   5 -13  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
105200   4 -13  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
110800   4 -22  0.3  -936  1                       
111400   1 -23 -0.1  -936  0                       
113600   1 -28  2.1  -910 -1                       



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MF ops TR
Anyone available tonight for a QSO across the pond. MF condx good at present=
. VU stn(India) audible on 1820 khz at 1500 utc daylight here.
It could be a good nite for 500 long haul.
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Seen here:
 
WX    +/-  137.775
AGC  137.7765
Y      137.7783
UR     137.7786
 
 
F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010

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TNX for info and details, Henny!


* henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl> [Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:13:40 +0100]:
> Hello Roman,
>
> the antenne is a slooper 10 meters high,with the coil tuned on 137khz,
> also a tophat 2 times 10 meter,
> henny pa3cpm
> best 73s.

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Pat om
The newspapers are full of comments every day about how badly  A level stude=
nts are performing, how the pass mark has dropped and how education has decl=
ined over the years, and amateur radio exams are no different. How can multi=
ple choice papers, with all the answers written down, where the candidate ju=
st ticks a box be more difficult than sitting down with a blank piece of pap=
er, pencil and an exam question paper.
It stands to reason even if you know little or nothing about a subject and t=
ick a few boxes you could be lucky, but there is no element of luck with a b=
lank piece of paper, you must know your subject.
These observations are not mine alone, the daily press if full of adverse co=
mments about those in society than cannot read nor write nor count, and it i=
s a big percentage in excess of 20%.=20
Address your remarks to higher authority if you have a complaint and argue y=
our own corner, you do not know what opinions others have insulted or otherw=
ise. You have deviated away from the Subject, let us have your opinion on ru=
sty razors and high impedence ear pieces, and how to construct such devices,=
 you have passed a real radio amateur exam, so this should be old hat for yo=
u.  =20
Higher authority would be Newspaper Editors, Education Minister and director=
 of examination boards and the marking agency.
g3kev

 =20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: g4gvw@aol.com=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:10 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


  Mal,

  Bearing in mind that I was born in 1943 and did the RAE when it required F=
ULL WRITTEN answers AND hand drawn circuits with worked calculations I consi=
der your remark suggesting an ability only to be able to cope with multiple=20=
choice exam papers to be an impertinence.

  It is probable that others may feel equally ill-disposed and consider your=
 remarks to be the inflammatory cause of some of the trading of insults.

  Seems my wish for a more adult and mannered 2009 did not last long!

  73 de Pat G4GVW  =20





  -----Original Message-----
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  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


  Stewart=20
  This is a simple exercise and NO ONE knows how to do it, plenty of comment=
s and deviations.=20
  An analogy=20
  =20
  1. Some HI TECH RAF pilots asked to fly a WW2 SPITFIRE and found it diffic=
ult and performed badly, needed training and tuition.=20
  =20
  2. Hi Performance students A + in their subjects could not pass a 1960 GCE=
 paper in maths and english.=20
  =20
  These were recent UK TV productions.=20
  =20
  RF engineers and improvisers are scarce it would appear both old and new.=20=
Digital and DC are abundant.=20
  =20
  Take away the Internet source, Maplins and Farnell and the electronics wor=
ld would collapse.=20
  =20
  g3kev=20
  =20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: "Stewart Bryant" <stewart@g3ysx.org.uk>=20
  To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:21 PM=20
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX=20
  =20
  > mal hamilton wrote:=20
  >> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have=20
  >> had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to=20
  >> submit a cct I will await replies.=20
  >=20
  > I think that we all give up - just tell us how to do it.=20
  >=20
  > Stewart/G3YSX=20
  >=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The newspapers are full of comments every d=
ay about=20
how badly &nbsp;A level students are performing, how the pass mark has dropp=
ed=20
and how education has declined over the years,&nbsp;and&nbsp;amateur radio e=
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are no different.&nbsp;How can multiple choice papers, with all the answers=20
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re=20
difficult&nbsp;than sitting down with a blank piece of paper, pencil and an=20=
exam=20
question paper.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It stands to reason&nbsp;even if&nbsp;you k=
now=20
little or nothing about&nbsp;a&nbsp;subject and tick a few boxes you&nbsp;co=
uld=20
be lucky, but there is no element of luck with a blank piece of paper,&nbsp;=
you=20
must know your subject.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>These observations are not mine alone=
,=20
the&nbsp;daily press if full of&nbsp;adverse comments about&nbsp;those in=20
society than cannot read nor write nor count, and it is a big percentage in=20
excess of 20%. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Address your remarks to higher authority if=
 you=20
have a complaint and argue your own corner, you do not know&nbsp;what opinio=
ns=20
others have insulted or otherwise. You have deviated away from the=20
Subject,&nbsp;let&nbsp;us have your opinion on rusty razors and&nbsp;high=20
impedence ear pieces, and how to construct such devices, you have passed a=20
real&nbsp;radio&nbsp;amateur exam, so this should be old hat for=20
you.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Higher authority would be Newspaper Editors=
,=20
Education Minister and director of examination boards and the marking=20
agency.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><FONT>&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></FONT></FON=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9=
:10=20
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V>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT=
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  <DIV>Mal,<BR><BR><FONT face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bearing in mi=
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  that I was born in 1943 and did the RAE when it required FULL WRITTEN answ=
ers=20
  AND hand drawn circuits with worked calculations I consider your remark=20
  suggesting an ability only to be able to cope with multiple choice exam pa=
pers=20
  to be an impertinence.<BR><BR>It is probable that others may feel equally=20
  ill-disposed and consider your remarks to be the inflammatory cause of som=
e of=20
  the trading of insults.<BR><BR>Seems my wish for a more adult and mannered=
=20
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  Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:59<BR>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR><BR>
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:13:26 +0100
Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:

> > Just started WSPR again, and see a nice bright trace at approx
> > 503.965 in the 20:40 slot, but again no decode. I see no-one else
> > reported a successful decode on WSPRnet at that time either. Looks
> > like still some problem?
> 
> Could it be that the station that does not decode, albeit being
> received strong, is not correctly time aligned ? Dimension4 is a very
> nice tool for this. And it is also free...
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> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
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> 


Alberto, 

I think the time is okay on G0NBD's PC, as the periods that do
decode show DT of 0.2 seconds, so no great problem I think. 

The decoding problems seem to be when the S/N rises above about -6dB
as reported by the software, as I can decode him well when the signal
drops below this level!

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Marcus

Looking good so far. Will see how the signal looks overnight.

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Hi Mal,


> It is hard to be perfect all the time,=20

I agree. I wasn't trying to take you to task for not being perfect - if it c=
ame across like that, I apologise. My point was that, when we criticise the=20=
younger generation, we should remember that we are imperfect too.


> I suppose this discussion makes a change from Digi boxes and rust razor bl=
ades hi

Actually, I think the discussions on rusty joint detectors, coherers and you=
r design challenge which sparked them off were some of the most entertaining=
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Hi LF,

=20

My thanks to all who replied with help & advice, much appreciated.

=20

Cheers,

=20

Gary - G4WGT.

  _____ =20

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of andre kesteloot
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Subject: Re: LF: RS232 adapter

=20

Gary - G4WGT wrote:=20

Hi All,

=20

This may have been asked before.

=20

Will a USB to RS232 adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware
interface. My PC has only 1 RS232 port & no empty PCI slots.

=20

73,

=20

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

=20

Gary
Try to find an adapter that uses the "Prolific" chip-set. It supports all
RS232 commands
These adapters are available from Hong-Kong (including shipment to the US)
for $5 (yes $5)
Seems to be available for one British pound.
See
http://cgi.ebay.com.my/USB-2-0-TO-RS232-COM-9-PINS-PORT-SERIAL-CONVERT-ADAPT
ER_W0QQitemZ180318214306QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL?
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73
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span  styl=
e=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Hi LF,<=
o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span  styl=
e=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span  styl=
e=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>My than=
ks
to all who replied with help &amp; advice, much appreciated.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span  styl=
e=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span  styl=
e=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Cheers,=
<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span  styl=
e=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

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e=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Gary -
G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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g=3DEN-US  style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;fon=
t-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font  size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DT=
ahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;  font-family:Tahoma;colo=
r:windowtext'> owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or=
g</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>andre kesteloot<=
br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 09 January 2009 22:25<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"o=
n">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: LF: RS232 adapte=
r</span></font><font  color=3Dblack><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:window=
text'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
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=3D3    color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0=
pt'>Gary</span></font></st1:place></st1:City>
- G4WGT wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span  sty=
le=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Hi All,<u1:p></u1=
:p></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span  sty=
le=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><u1:p>&nbsp;</u1:=
p></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span  sty=
le=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>This may have bee=
n
asked before.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span  sty=
le=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><u1:p>&nbsp;</u1:=
p></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span  sty=
le=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Will a USB to RS2=
32
adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware interface. My PC has only=20=
1
RS232 port &amp; no empty PCI slots.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></b><o:p></o:=
p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span  sty=
le=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><u1:p>&nbsp;</u1:=
p></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><s=
pan  style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>73,</span></font></b></str=
ong><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
span  style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font=
></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><s=
pan  style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.</sp=
an></font></b></strong><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
span  style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p>&nbsp;</u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font=
></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on"><font size=
=3D3    color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0=
pt'>Gary</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><br>
Try to find an adapter that uses the &quot;Prolific&quot; chip-set. It suppo=
rts
all RS232 commands<br>
These adapters are available from Hong-Kong (including shipment to the <st1:=
country-region  w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">US</st1:place></st1:count=
ry-region>) for $5 (yes
$5)<br>
Seems to be available for one British pound.<br>
See <a  href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.com.my/USB-2-0-TO-RS232-COM-9-PINS-PORT-SERI=
AL-CONVERT-ADAPTER_W0QQitemZ180318214306QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Cabl=
esConnectors_RL?hash=3Ditem180318214306">http://cgi.ebay.com.my/USB-2-0-TO-R=
S232-COM-9-PINS-PORT-SERIAL-CONVERT-ADAPTER_W0QQitemZ180318214306QQcmdZViewI=
temQQptZUK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL?hash=3Ditem180318214306</a><br>
73<br>
Andr=E9 N4ICK<o:p></o:p></p>

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All is clear, Nicolas. In Moscow too it is snowing.
My beacon works on 137776,4 and in pauses
between "A" I clean off snow from antenna insulators:)

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Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


>Yes Andrey i retry next week end because snow in Paris and scheduled all night long.
>
>
>F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP
>
>RX : Icom IC7400
>Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010
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>http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/
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>Dans un e-mail daté du 05/01/2009 16:31:37 Paris, Madrid, rn3agc@mail.ru a écrit :
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>Thanks for the reports!
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>Nicolas, you was yesterday very well visible on grabber DL2HRE.
>Can will try to work as a beacon all night long?
>It is very interesting to me to receive your signal.
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 Mal,

Bearing in mind that I was born in 1943 and did the RAE when it required FULL WRITTEN answers AND hand drawn circuits with worked calculations I consider your remark suggesting an ability only to be able to cope with multiple choice exam papers to be an impertinence.

It is probable that others may feel equally ill-disposed and consider your remarks to be the inflammatory cause of some of the trading of insults.

Seems my wish for a more adult and mannered 2009 did not last long!

73 de Pat G4GVW ? 


 


 

-----Original Message-----
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To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:59
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX









Stewart?

This is a simple exercise and NO ONE knows how to do it, plenty of comments 
and deviations.?

An analogy?
?

1. Some HI TECH RAF pilots asked to fly a WW2 SPITFIRE and found it 
difficult and performed badly, needed training and tuition.?
?

2. Hi Performance students A + in their subjects could not pass a 1960 GCE 
paper in maths and english.?
?

These were recent UK TV productions.?
?

RF engineers and improvisers  are scarce it would appear both old and new. 
Digital and DC are abundant.?
?

Take away the Internet source, Maplins and Farnell and the electronics world 
would collapse.?
?


g3kev?
?

----- Original Message -----?

From: "Stewart Bryant" <stewart@g3ysx.org.uk>?

To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>?

Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:21 PM?

Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX?
?


> mal hamilton wrote:?

>> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have?

>> had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to?

>> submit a cct I will await replies.?

>?

> I think that we all give up - just tell us how to do it.?

>?

> Stewart/G3YSX?

>?

>?
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<div> Mal,<br>
<br>
<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bearing in mind that I was born in 1943 and did the RAE when it required FULL WRITTEN answers AND hand drawn circuits with worked calculations I consider your remark suggesting an ability only to be able to cope with multiple choice exam papers to be an impertinence.<br>
<br>
It is probable that others may feel equally ill-disposed and consider your remarks to be the inflammatory cause of some of the trading of insults.<br>
<br>
Seems my wish for a more adult and mannered 2009 did not last long!<br>
<br>
73 de Pat G4GVW &nbsp; </font><br>
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From: mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<br>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:59<br>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<br>
<br>






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Stewart&nbsp;<br>

This is a simple exercise and NO ONE knows how to do it, plenty of comments 
and deviations.&nbsp;<br>

An analogy&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

1. Some HI TECH RAF pilots asked to fly a WW2 SPITFIRE and found it 
difficult and performed badly, needed training and tuition.&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

2. Hi Performance students A + in their subjects could not pass a 1960 GCE 
paper in maths and english.&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

These were recent UK TV productions.&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

RF engineers and improvisers  are scarce it would appear both old and new. 
Digital and DC are abundant.&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

Take away the Internet source, Maplins and Farnell and the electronics world 
would collapse.&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>


g3kev&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

----- Original Message -----&nbsp;<br>

From: "Stewart Bryant" &lt;<a href="mailto:stewart@g3ysx.org.uk">stewart@g3ysx.org.uk</a>&gt;&nbsp;<br>

To: &lt;<a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>&gt;&nbsp;<br>

Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:21 PM&nbsp;<br>

Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>


&gt; mal hamilton wrote:&nbsp;<br>

&gt;&gt; Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have&nbsp;<br>

&gt;&gt; had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to&nbsp;<br>

&gt;&gt; submit a cct I will await replies.&nbsp;<br>

&gt;&nbsp;<br>

&gt; I think that we all give up - just tell us how to do it.&nbsp;<br>

&gt;&nbsp;<br>

&gt; Stewart/G3YSX&nbsp;<br>

&gt;&nbsp;<br>

&gt;&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>


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Hello Joe ,
Very good copy of your QRP beacon  last night .
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

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Hello America,

anyone interested to look for Eu beacon signals around 136318 tonight?

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Hello Warren, LF!
There was a lot of noise last night. I saw traces of "XGJ" and signal from U=
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Klaus
I agree with your observations. Currently there is too much guesswork and 
imagination instead of getting on with more positive modes until such time 
as something more realistic comes along.
With wspr and some other digital modes if one did not ANNOUNCE the frequency 
of operation the transmission would NEVER be found.

mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Klaus von der Heide" <v.d.heide@on-line.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PROPAGATION WSPR


>
>
> Hello Andy, Jim, Rik and all,
>
>
> yes it is just that what I wanted to point at:
> In a beacon mode we need not communicate information
> other than the confidence on the identity of the
> station "heard".
>
> Three years ago I implemented into my CWP-system
> exactly what Andy describes. Finding very weak
> constant non-drifting carriers is easy. But
> modulated, and heavily drifting signals as in my
> case of EME, that really is difficult.
> In the EME case the problem is home-made. Since
> the relative motion of Earth and Moon is known,
> and every operator knows his location on Earth,
> he could precisely compensate the drift such that
> the Moon hears him (and sends his signal back) on
> a constant frequency. And the receiver could
> compensate for it's own motion relative to the
> moon. But sometimes it seems to me that amateurs
> do not like to go the easiest way.
>
> Indeed, the WSPR system, i.e. the infra-structure
> as seen by the operator is fine. Unfortunately,
> the subsystem for communication via the radio
> waves could be better by more than 6 dB.
> Also finding a BPSK-signal is easier than WSPR.
>
> 73!
> Klaus, DJ5HG
>
>
>> Automatic monitoring of the signal strength / frequency of CW beacon
>> signals, including those that drift by a small amount, can be achieved
>> using signal processing techniqes borrowed from the radar and Comint
>> worlds.   Referred to as CFAR, or Constant False Alarm Rate, the
>> principle is to take an FFT of the wanted band, then obtain an
>> estimate of the noise level and all CARRIER type signals present by
>> using statistical techniques, like averaging over adjacent time
>> samples, searching adjacent bins and voting.
>>
>> I described the process in detail in the RadCom Data Column  in three
>> parts over April/June/August 2008  and it also appears in "Command"  [
>> http://www.rsgbshop.org/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Computing___Radio_39.html
>>  (still some copies left at bargain prices:) ]
>>
>> The S/N of any carrier that exceeds the noise level by a certain
>> minimum amount can be determined accurately by the monitoring process,
>> its frequency determined and drifting signals can be tracked.
>> Multiple carrier s can be tracked if needed  The process does not work
>> so reliably where signals are modulated, so clearly are not of much
>> use for situations where the beacon callsign etc is not known in
>> advance.    However, it can be made to work sucessfully on the
>> microwave bands, where beacons freqeuncies and locations are known in
>> advance.
>>
>> Microwave Beacon Monitoring software using CFAR techniqes and
>> including all source code can be found at :
>>    http://www.g4jnt.com/dspsw.htm
>> with an overview at    http://www.g4jnt.com/UWBCNMON.pdf
>>
>> This particular software is too wideband for LF use, but the code
>> could be modified for lower sampling rates and bandwidths, and used
>> for auto monitoring of QRSS signals, once their origin has been
>> determined by other means
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
>> > Hello Klaus,
>> >
>> >> On the other hand, WSPR has the advantage of automatic
>> >> recording. But that is not an advantage of the mode, it
>> >> simply is the lack of a corresponding simple program that
>> >> does the same with a QRSS signal.
>> >
>> > the automatic recording/reporting ability is clearly an advantage of 
>> > WSPR in
>> > regard with propagation studies. And I agree that QRSS or DFCW would 
>> > serve
>> > as well or even better if a similar automatic recording/reporting would 
>> > be
>> > provided.
>> > But I am afraid that a "waterfall display to ASCII" conversion is not 
>> > simple
>> > at all ;-)
>> >
>> >> Nevertheless, WSPR is not very near to the Shannon limit.
>> >> I spent nearly all my leisure time of the last year with
>> >> the design of a new digital ham radio QSO-mode HD43 that
>> >> comes as close as possible to the theoretical limit.
>> >> I will send a preprint on request.
>> >
>> > I am interested
>> >
>> > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T
>> >
>> >
>> > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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Hi LF,

 

I have set the Argo upload to delete the file from my hard disc after
uploading but it does not delete the files, is this a problem with the
software or is there something else I need to set.

 

I end up each morning with 3 folders full of grabs, I need to keep grabs
from my wide (499 to 510KHz) SpecLab for daily inspection & have the other 2
remove files after upload.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>I have set the Argo upload to d=
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this a problem with the software or is there something else I need to set.<o=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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Graham, LF,

I set up 3 x Multipsk to decode the signals & went for meal.

I have returned to review the situation & it seems that each mode has decode=
d similarly. Of course due to the distance between us & signal strength I am=
 not surprised. Given a greater distance the results would have been quite d=
ifferent.

MFSK

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PSK

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Gary - G4WGT.


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Dennis,

          Europe 1 is off the air from 0000 to 01:30 UTC each night,
that is when the  low power 184kHz beacon from VO1NA can be copied.
Iceland on 189kHz is very strong here most nights on the Northeast
coast of the US.
--=20
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1



On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Dennis <Dennis.Hennig@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Henny & others!
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> I see you Henny and some others observing the band for north american lowf=
er signals around 18xkHz.
> That's amazing, at least to me...
>
> How is it possible, that those very low power signals do make it through t=
he overlapping sidebands of much closer by and very very much stronger radio=
stations (300kW from Hellisandur/Iceland on 189kHz and 2000kW Europe1/German=
y on 183kHz?
>
> By the way, is there any chance to receive this Hellisandur 189kHz signal=20=
in western Europe? Havn't detect it with rather simple setups and indoor ant=
enna so far, but it might be an interesting propagation indicator?
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> Dennis
> DL6NVC
>
>
>
>
>
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>> Datum: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:25:19 +0100
>> Von: henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>
>> An: blacksheep <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Betreff: LF: 184khz
>
>> hi Joe
>> nothing seen
>> henny pa3cpm
>> best 73s
>
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Gary,=20

Your QRSS signal is clearly audible here at RST559.

Also audible are G3KEV QRSS and GW3UEP CW signals

73, Dave G3WWCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 03 January 2009 19:46
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: RE: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


Andy,

>>>>>>>> Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS would co-exist inside the tone spread.

I am just about to do that.

Gary - G4WGT.


-----Original Message-----
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eep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 03 January 2009 19:22
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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUN=
NING NOW - 1615 HRS

I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.

So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co=
m>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>
>> OLIVIA :
>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<Uq
>> 8
>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>> gnbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>
>>
>> MFSK8
>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  =C3=99*BwkiroN9 -in=C3=B0?Sd=C3=9B4=C2=BFhIa lr
>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog  rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez;  uETqioB Vae   n Ct W
>> amSdeMe=C3=94dYbV*=C3=85=C2=AD  ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq=20=
=C2=BCeeawi i
>> =C3=80thiei=C5=A1=C2=B8etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jt=C5=BE;a=C2=BA o=C2=BAnJ=
=C2=BAo
>> a I=C2=A4narLx=C3=BDikc igq'<anel6
>> rmmz e rke wxe=C3=BBhC vo)o=C2=B7dad=C2=AA=E2=80=B9egseey(v e vt sce\ wVs=
ccon  t"tciu
>> tt=C2=A3h,iFtI=C2=BCv lre=C2=A6eek=C3=BAn =E2=82=ACi z=C3=A0=C3=82UP nve=20=
=C2=BD=C3=B9I t$   : nNe t  lro&"t l=C3=96
>> e=C2=B7=C3=B7RenuIoqemfep ,=C2=A4esss=C2=ADfer tt=C3=AA oequea8  =C2=A4d=
=C2=A7]xaV=C2=B0N~u=C3=87 pAbd  g0nbd
>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =C2=ADiefo&
>> kD kk e e0enm o=C2=A7 HbecOgh=C3=89o  eno fsewtit,es m=C3=8Cx=C2=AAoitn '=
Xei eaer=C3=BEii
>> lscktleea it=C2=A5 nd=C2=B7WmoEi=C2=ADxirwn mdW=C3=A3=C2=A6 7euc eg%oa lo=
Pttst   CQ CQ CQ
>> DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk rBt=C3=B28e=C3=A6 t=C2=B6=C2=ADknm=
m)mL   io 4Eek a
>> oiiqa  o zt eoun cKldd=C3=B98 =C2=B0o9aZnz=C3=A5ee  1  =C2=B9tlTtii0q=3Di=
 ielsaa nu 0 mPn=C3=BA=C3=BFK
>> =C2=B3S=C2=A2 iwX=C3=A4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=C3=A2pg H Jant0n9=C2=A8j=C2=
=B7eoet n
>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=C3=B4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=C2=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>> a=C2=B1 rotet a=C3=9C Foe2_vl=C2=A7ms=C3=AD t=C3=8Ck  t=3D l=C3=85 edCQ C=
Q CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =C2=AB=C3=B2ee
>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>
>>
>>
>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>
>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>
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John LF,

WOW !

Just testing home built 500KHz transverter, about 5 watts output. Never
expected a report but I can even see it on your grabber & the vertical
antenna is lowered to 9mtrs.

It's my first WSPR Tx on 500KHz.
Thanks for the report John.

Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
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Hello Gary, LF

090118 1714   8 -25  1.1   0.503599  G4WGT IO83 37 

First WSPR on 500kHz

Reporting to WSPRNET

Cheers,
John



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Hello Marco and LF,

the strong lower "Y" was actually my "NM", the real "Y" directly above that=20=
is RA3YO. Here is a list of frequencies observed this evening (Jan 4th):

778.65  "RU"  RU6LA
778.26 /.36  "Y"  RA3YO
777.90 /778.00  "NM"  DF6NM
777.45 "WPF"  UA4WPF
776.22 /.32  "AGC"  RN3AGC
776.0  "S"  UA9CS ?
775.50  "WX"  DJ8WX
774.99  "DTL"  F4DTL

As far as I could see, "RU", "Y", "WPF" and "S" were well readable at differ=
ent times on the Chinese KL1X screenshots. I was also pleased to see that "N=
M" at least managed to get a few singular dashes across between 21:55 and 22=
:13.

Many thanks to Laurence for setting up his receiver and triggering all this=20=
activity!

Kind regards=20
Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Scholz, Marco=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:24 AM
  Subject: LF: other QRSS stations in jn49ax


  Hello,

  also good copy of AGC and very strong Y ~1.7Hz above agc. Not sure if the=20=
signal above the Y is RU in a slower mode as QRSS60?

  good night, vy73

  Marco

  DD7PC

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<DIV>Hello Marco and LF,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>the strong lower "Y" was actually my "NM", the real "Y"&nbsp;directly a=
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<DIV>778.65&nbsp; "RU" &nbsp;RU6LA</DIV>
<DIV>778.26 /.36&nbsp; "Y" &nbsp;RA3YO</DIV>
<DIV>777.90 /778.00&nbsp; "NM"&nbsp; DF6NM</DIV>
<DIV>777.45 "WPF"&nbsp; UA4WPF</DIV>
<DIV>776.22 /.32 &nbsp;"AGC"&nbsp; RN3AGC</DIV>
<DIV>776.0&nbsp; "S"&nbsp; UA9CS ?</DIV>
<DIV>775.50&nbsp; "WX"&nbsp; DJ8WX</DIV>
<DIV>774.99&nbsp; "DTL"&nbsp; F4DTL</DIV>
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<DIV>Many thanks to Laurence for setting up his receiver and triggering all=20=
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<DIV>Kind regards </DIV>
<DIV>Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK</DIV>
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  <P><SPAN class=3D509531923-04012009>also good copy of AGC and very strong=20=
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  night, vy73</SPAN></P>
  <P><SPAN class=3D509531923-04012009>Marco</SPAN></P>
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Oh, those things!

Have seen them before but never knew the name.

Still a few adaptors for them sculling around in the lab at work -
somehow they escaped being put into thd skip when we rationalised and
moved location recently.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/26 Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>:
> The GR-874 is an early GenRad "genderless" connector I am sure even a "young
> lad" like you will have seen them on admittanace bridges and old sig gens.
> They just plug together...good to 1500HMz with the threaded sleeve to reduce
> leakage.
>
> Alan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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>> Come on then - explain :-)
>> Never even heard of GR-874
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/26 Mark <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk>:
>> > GR-874 I haven't seen any of those for a while, but I can see how any
>> > description of them may be misinterpreted
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>


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mal hamilton wrote:
> Andy and the Digi Boys
> Would it be possible to move to 1.9 mhz and upwards and leave 137 and 500 
> khz to the discerning CW radio amateurs
> de mal/g3kev

Please don't listen to Mal. I am much interested in receiving digital signals
on the 137 and the 500 kHz bands. Much more interesting than boring dih-dah-dih.

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:41:35 +0200
Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi> wrote:

> Hello John!
> 
> Nice to get a report from the Shetland Islands too

Hello again,

I have tried, with a narrow AF filter, and can just detect by ear your
QRSS dashes. I must admit that without the Spec Lab waterfall I'd not
really be sure I was hearing you, but there's no doubt that I can
detect your signal by ear...!


Cheers,

John


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Dear Andrey, LF Group

Thanks for the screen shot. I guess you are still having problems getting 
WSPR to work properly - so I have attached a spectrogram of the transmitted 
signal so that you can use a "human WSPR decoder" instead :-). Seriously, 
you can just about see enough detail in the two spectrograms to be fairly 
certain it is the same signal you received.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 

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Hello Markus,
Accept my congratulations!!!

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James Moritz wrote:
> Dear LF Group,
> 
> I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/- 
> (136.0kHz "dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any reports 
> would be very welcome.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU

Hello Jim

090111 1956  17 -15  1.0   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090111 2002  19 -13  1.0   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0

73 Ko, NL9222


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Hi Vern,

184.5092 kHz and QRSS75

I've copied it in PEI during the summer so it should be easy for you
on qrss60.

73
Joe

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009, Vernon Matheson wrote:

>
> Joe what is your exact TX freq these days on 184 and are you using QRSS60?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Vernon - VE1VDM
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Mal,

I have done it when I was 14 years old, it is not that difficult and =20
is described in books and on the web.
What is the point that I (or others) have to prove to you that we know ?
Or do I have to pass an exam with you ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> It seems everyone is MISSING THE POINT. I want someone to describe  =20
> how to make  RX using a RAZOR blade detector and also how to make  =20
> the HEADPHONE needed to hear the signal, using the sort of  =20
> components a soldier would have on the battlefront or a POW.
> Stick to the specific topic. I think noone knows how to do it.Think  =20
> 1940 period and what was available.
> g3kev
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: M0FMT
>   To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:23 PM
>   Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?
>
>
>         Hi Mal and LF
>
>         I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope  =20
> detector. A true CW man, I would have thought, should only entertain =20
>  the use of a Cohere detector!
>
>         Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work  =20
> over a range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P)  =20
> probably work over a much lager range of frequencies but not tested  =20
> by me.
>
>         http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm
>
>         73 pefmt
>
>
>
>         --- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
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>           From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
>           Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
>           To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>           Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM
>
>
>           Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not =20
>  info from the web.
>           g3kev
>
>             ----- Original Message -----
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>             Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM
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>             310113517964   E bay too
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>             On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton"  =20
> <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> writes:
>               Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a  =20
> while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give others =20
>  the opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method  =20
> was used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC  =20
> broadcasts.
>               Let us know how you would approach the subject. This  =20
> is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were  =20
> receicved on these bands.
>               Build one and have a QSO using this RX
>               g3kev
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Dear Jim & LF,

Thanks for all the trouble you've gone to Jim, the resulst show it was
worthwhile.

I'll have a look at the pattern of s/n versus time after daylight and
see how things went overnight. There seems to have been a peak at
around 0720, up to -5dB. It's still dark here, and won't be light for a
wee while yet, sunrise is 08:52.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV


 On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:15:49 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear Vern, LF Group,
> 
> Just woke up after setting the alarm clock to check all OK with the
> TX and antenna here, and was very pleasantly surprised to see your
> decodes of my WSPR signal. I am running well under the full 1W ERP (I
> estimate about 300mW) due to antenna limitations here, and so was not
> seriously expecting transatlantic reception. So this is excellent
> news!
> 
> Since all seems OK, and sigs still being copied by GM4SLV and DF6NM,
> I may as well keep the beacon running until morning and see how
> things change at sunrise. Back to bed now - at least that made it
> worthwhile dragging myself out at this unearthly hour!
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Vern - VE1VDM" <vmath@eastlink.ca>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:25 AM
> Subject: LF: 136khz WSPR
> 
> 
> > How about that.....well done guys!!!! I am very excited about
> > this....
> >
> > Vernon - FN85ki
> >
> >
> > 090114 2232   1 -24  5.9   0.137510  73 DE SCP/LN8PHG        0
> > 7540   32 090115 0016   1 -26  0.2   0.137500  M0BMU IO91
> > 23           0    47    0 090115 0020   3 -26  0.3   0.137500
> > M0BMU IO91 23           0  2839    0 090115 0046   2 -29  0.4
> > 0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23           0   355    0
> > 
> 
> 


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Log of the past few hours. Rx Perseus, antenna Roelof mini-whip
Using Winrad->VAC->WSPR 1.01

090125 1800   4 -26  1.5   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0  4464    0
090125 1808   3 -29  1.5   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0   277    0
090125 1812   3 -29  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0   531    0
090125 1816   5 -27  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0    81    0
090125 1834  16 -16  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 1838   1 -31  1.5   0.503469  G4JNT IO90 23  -1 19315  -46
090125 1840  12 -19  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2030   7 -25  1.6   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0     1    0
090125 2100   6 -26  1.5   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0     1    0

Locator here is JN45sl, so the QRB is

M0BMU  IO91vr  997 km   620 mi
G4JNT  IO90    963 km   598 mi

73  Alberto  I2PHD





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M0BMU and G0NBD are logged in JN18FP via WSPR spots.
 
 
F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010

_http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/) 

 
 
I plan to operate the WSPR beacon again on 503.51kHz +/- RF (0.502MHz  "dial 
frequency") from around 2200utc. Any reports would be very  welcome.  The TX 
will be on 33% duty cycle, so if anyone else wants to  join in, I should be 
able to give reports too.

Cheers, Jim  Moritz
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Ok , Tnx Lubos , I started my grabber in "asia" direction , nil at moment !

73 Jean-Pierre f1afj

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That Indian curry has certainly stimulated the mind now into the Megacycles 
range.
Don't get convulsions !!!!!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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Amateur bands are typically 2 to 10% of their centre frequency, so
lets take a figure of 5%, giving a useable band 95uHz wide.  Allow a
waveform that criutically fits inside this bandwidth - OFDM or MFSK
fit the bill nicely as they both have 'brick wall' frequency spectra,
so with really good coding we ought to be able to fit in about  100 -
200 u Bits/s, or one bit per 500 - 10000s.  Say one bit per hour.

We will use a codebook based approach to coding callsigns and reports
so as to compress a message into the smallest space possible:  say a
maximum of 256 stations on the band in the world,  means 8 bits need
to be allocated to callsign, and four possible reports
(poor/marginal/OK/strong) gives 10 bits per QSO.  Add two more bits
for QSO formatting and we end up with 12 bits of data per frame .   We
will need good error correction, so make it a convolutional rate half
code - 24 bits in total.  A QSO needs a minimum of two overs each for
full acknowledgement each way so at least 96 bits need to be
exchanged.   If no further overhead is used, the QSO could therefore
be completed in four days.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/18 Wolfgang Büscher <dl4yhf@freenet.de>:
> John wrote:
>>
>> 1.9mhz - now what sort of signalling rate can you get on 160Gm?
>>
>> John F5VLF
>>
>>
>
> ;o)
> Need a pretty decent antenna length for that, right ?
> And just consider the 1/f noise in the milliHertz receiver - use liquid
> helium cooling for the frontend ;-)
>
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Just realised.  The WSPR Software won't accept any-old value typed
into the Tx power box.  It has to be one from a pull down menu.
Nearest options are 23 or 27dBm.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/25 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>:
> I thought I'd set an ERP of 25dBm in the setup, will have to check...
>  My ERP is around that figure when hitting antenna with 80 Watts.
>
> Not too happy with the WSPR windoze software.  The COM port operation
> of Tx doesn't, properly.   On going from Tx to Rx it blips the RTS/DTR
> lines but then stays with them active.  So the right port is selected
> (COM1 ), but they are not toggling properly, just a quick blip.
> Other software handles the DTR / RTS control properly.
>
> Audio VOX required, methinks.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/25 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
>> Hello Andy & LF,
>>
>> I've just started receiving WSPR transmission from Andy G4JNT, first
>> decode seems to have been 0902 UTC
>>
>> All spots are being uploaded to WSPRnet
>>
>> Nice work, for daytime, almost 1100km, well done.
>>
>> Your WSPR signal impliesTX power of 0dBm - it that estimated ERP, or a
>> configuration error?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>


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Jean-Pierre MÃ©rÃ© (F1AFJ) Ð¿Ð¸ÑˆÐµÑ‚:

> Copy on the grabber this W E :
> YO , RU , NM , WPF , AGC , WX , DTL , XKO , XGJ ( enormous pile up ! )

accused of it BY3A-KL1X!

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Jean-Pierre, Lubos, Victor,

Thank you for the captures, reports and comments!
But WD2XGJ is running the low power TX only!
WD2XGJ at 250 watts (maybe a little less!)

Very good band conditions!

--=20
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1
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> Very good copy of "XGJ" this night ! visible until 08:45 ( sunrise 06:45 )
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
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Mal

Nothing at all so far. Have to leave in another 15 minutes...sorry...

Jay

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Jay
  Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and agn=
 2214 utc
  It looks ok so far.
  mal
  g3kev

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:09 PM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Mal

    If you can operate duplex like last time perhaps you should begin transm=
itting at 2200Z and I'll break in when I see your signal. You had better cop=
y on my signal last time. Unfortunately I can only hang around until 2330Z t=
onight. Frequencies are as you stated in your previous e mail.=20

    Jay



      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: mal hamilton=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:21 PM
      Subject: LF: Re: Re: MF CONDX


      Jay
      Sunset ur end  could be a good start time. I can work Russians sunset=20=
and before fm here across as far as UA9 es UA0 and ZL.

      73 mal/g3kev

        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
        To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
        Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:21 PM
        Subject: LF: Re: MF CONDX


        Mal

        Antenna is back up in the air here...but we're expecting a snow stor=
m starting mid afternoon running through tomorrow morning. Suspect static le=
vels will be high but will be happy to take a look...if you care to transmit=
 at a specific time.

        Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
          ----- Original Message -----=20
          From: mal hamilton=20
          To: rsgb=20
          Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:46 AM
          Subject: LF: MF CONDX


          MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone a=
vailable this week end.
          Temp minus 3 today so far antenna ok

          mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nothing at all so far. Have to leave in ano=
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minutes...sorry...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">mal=
=20
  hamilton</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:=
20=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF=20
  CONDX</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb,=
 first=20
  seen 2207 then gap and agn 2214 utc</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It looks ok so far.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Djrusgrove@comcast.net       href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@comcast.=
net">jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2009=20=
9:09=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX=
</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you can operate duplex like last tim=
e=20
    perhaps you should begin transmitting at 2200Z and I'll break in when I=20=
see=20
    your signal. You had&nbsp;better copy on my signal last time. Unfortunat=
ely=20
    I can only hang around until 2330Z tonight. Frequencies are as you state=
d in=20
    your previous e mail. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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r: black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net"=
>mal=20
      hamilton</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A         title=3Drsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org         href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rs=
gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 200=
9 1:21=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: MF CONDX</=
DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sunset ur end&nbsp; could be a good s=
tart=20
      time. I can work Russians sunset and before fm here across as far as U=
A9=20
      es UA0 and ZL.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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color: black"><B>From:</B>=20
        <A title=3Djrusgrove@comcast.net           href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@=
comcast.net">jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A           title=3Drsgb=
_lf_group@blacksheep.org           href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o=
rg">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
        </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2=
009=20
        3:21 PM</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: MF CONDX</DI=
V>
        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antenna is back up in the air here.=
..but=20
        we're expecting a snow storm starting mid afternoon running through=20
        tomorrow morning. Suspect static levels will be high but will be hap=
py=20
        to take a look...if you care to transmit at a specific=20
time.</FONT></DIV>
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        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp;=20
        WE2XGR/2</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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          <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.=
net">mal=20
          hamilton</A> </DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A             title=
=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org             href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@bla=
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          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10,=
 2009=20
          9:46 AM</DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: MF CONDX</DIV>
          <DIV><BR></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF condx vy good at present. Now=20=
is the=20
          time for TR&nbsp;QSO'S anyone available this week end.</FONT></DIV=
>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Temp minus 3 today so far antenna=
=20
          ok</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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Hello Markus, LF!
Many thanks for your info about Russian Loran (GRI 8000), it=B4s this!

Here is my picture of Luxembourg effect in JN88KS. Very strong signal.

Lubos, OK2BVG

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> From: markusvester@aol.com
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:22:41 +0100
> Subject: LF: Re: Luxembourg
>=20
> .. this is the cross modulation signature on the RN3AGC grabber. The patte=
rn was also visible on F1AFJ's screen. - 73, Markus
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:52 AM
> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz, Luxembourg
>=20
>=20
>  The band is fairly quiet tonight. Twice for a few minutes around 23:23 an=
d 23:33, there were strong Luxembourg sideband carriers
>  simultaneously on both HGA and DCF. They were apparently caused by a 1054=
 Hz sinusoidal modulation test tone (sidebands at 136.484,
>  75 uV/m and 137.776 kHz, 13 uV/m). There was also a -20 dB second harmoni=
c component (137.538, 6 uV/m and 136.722, 1.5 uV/m), due=20
> to
>  the square-law charasteristic of the heating effect.
>=20
>  Kind regards,
> Marksu, DF6NM
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Hello Markus, LF!<br>Many thanks for your info about Russian Loran (GRI 8000=
), it=B4s this!<br><br>Here is my picture of Luxembourg effect in JN88KS. Ve=
ry strong signal.<br><br>Lubos, OK2BVG<br><br>******************************=
********************<br><br>&gt; From: markusvester@aol.com<br>&gt; To: rsgb=
_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>&gt; Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:22:41 +0100<br>&g=
t; Subject: LF: Re: Luxembourg<br>&gt; <br>&gt; .. this is the cross modulat=
ion signature on the RN3AGC grabber. The pattern was also visible on F1AFJ's=
 screen. - 73, Markus<br>&gt; <br>&gt; ----- Original Message ----- <br>&gt;=
 From: "Markus Vester" &lt;markusvester@aol.com&gt;<br>&gt; To: &lt;rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org&gt;<br>&gt; Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:52 AM<b=
r>&gt; Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz, Luxembourg<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <=
br>&gt;  The band is fairly quiet tonight. Twice for a few minutes around 23=
:23 and 23:33, there were strong Luxembourg sideband carriers<br>&gt;  simul=
taneously on both HGA and DCF. They were apparently caused by a 1054 Hz sinu=
soidal modulation test tone (sidebands at 136.484,<br>&gt;  75 uV/m and 137.=
776 kHz, 13 uV/m). There was also a -20 dB second harmonic component (137.53=
8, 6 uV/m and 136.722, 1.5 uV/m), due <br>&gt; to<br>&gt;  the square-law ch=
arasteristic of the heating effect.<br>&gt; <br>&gt;  Kind regards,<br>&gt;=20=
Marksu, DF6NM<br>&gt;  <br><br /><hr />St=E1hn=ECte si zcela nov=FD Messenge=
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Jim

Looked...but no joy.

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Subject: LF: RE: WSPR beacon on 136kHz - QRT 


> Dear LF Group,
> 
> The WSPR beacon is now QRT at 0206utc - I was worried about falling asleep 
> with 900W going up the antenna, which is now waving around a lot in the 
> wind!
> 
> Many thanks for all the reports, which have made this a successful first 
> attempt at WSPR on 136k for this station.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU 
> 
>


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Hi Dave, thanks for the post.  Nothing like a discussion about simple 
antennas which work magically :-)
Your sketch shows a short at the point where the 1' wide feedline 
connects to the loop (if I interpret it correctly).  May I safely 
assume that's an oversight and not some fancy hairpin matching device?

At 07:47 AM 1/21/2009, you wrote:
>Noticed same thing here, Paul with e-antennas, so tried this and it 
>serves well from 17.2 kc. to 6 meters.
>Pulled down all the other wire antennas, no more ground radials or 
>top load wires needed, plus is more quiet on RX.
>Gets out well on 600M too.  160M, 80M, 30M, it doesn't care where it tunes...
>Mostly no de-tuning with snow and wet...  ( maybe 2 kc. )
>
>TNX de Dave @ WD2XSH/17
>
>ref: www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP1107.jpg



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It's not even lunch time here!!! hi hi...It was pretty quiet last night
on 600m. I chatted with Pat XSH/6 for a bit at 0520z. Regular CW
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Now 30 to 40 dB over the noise.

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On 16/01/2009 at 21:08 Michel F5WK wrote:

>Hello LF,
>
>I will run a wspr beacon on saturday's afternoon/night at the local
>radioclub.
>It's a portable like operation as the antenna has to be raised first,
>hopefully the top load is already installed.
>
>The transmitter is working in full FSK, therefore is able to run at 500
>watts RF output (DDS + PIC controlled)
>If weather's conditions are poor, output power will be lowered to 400
>watts.
>Calculated/guessed ERP around 250 mW
>
>Frequency: 137577.77 Hz
>
>Expected start at 16:00 UTC
>Expected end   at 01:00 UTC
>
>Reports are welcome, through this reflector or the WSPR Spot Database (the
>club has a sometimes_working internet access)
>
>73,
>
>Michel Brunel / f5wk
>
>--






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John, LF,

I note that Jim's WSPR is showing 4 locator characters on my WSPR list but 6
on the spots page.

Gary - G4WGT.

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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:39:20 +0000
Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Signal on 503870000mHz, 33% T/R cycle  being radiated now...
> 
>
1st decode was +1dB s/n

2nd dropped to -15dB

That's QSB for you!

Cheers,

John


p.s. Is there any chance of adding a more accurate (ie 6-figure)
locator to the database? I think the WSPRnet database stores the full
6-figure one when you report a spot, and then uses it from then on - as
long as you've set 6-figures in the software options. Only 4-figures
are sent as part of the beacon, and without an uploaded spot from you
with 6-figure locator we're stuck with the lower resolution. Of course
if you don't upload any spots then this can't be resolved?






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Thanks to Henny, Lubos, Victor, Markus, Jean-Pierre, Dmitry, and
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73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
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2009/1/6 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:
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Doc
Its hard to believe so many people are missing the point. No one has yet 
mentioned how to make the device. How to set the RAZOR blade detector up and 
how to construct the EARPHONE needed.
What is the impedence of the earphone and how a person would make one 
especially in 1940, although it would still apply today
g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Ah!
>
> Crystal sets! More of the joy of analog....
>
> Doc,
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 15:54
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
>
> Mal,
>
> I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector when I
> was 14 years old.
> It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor
> detector.
> And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
>
> Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
>> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I
>> have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the
>> opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was
>> used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC
>> broadcasts.
>> Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable
>> to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these
>> bands.
>> Build one and have a QSO using this RX
>> g3kev
>>
>
>
>
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>
>
>


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WE2XGR/6 very strong signal at 0248utc this morning.

 

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Hello Roman,

the antenne is a slooper 10 meters high,with the coil tuned on 137khz,
also a tophat 2 times 10 meter,
henny pa3cpm
best 73s.

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Scott
This is a bit over the top for a 3 khz slot. This was never authorised by 
OFCOM.as a mode on 500 khz.
g3kev


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> Gee I never thought I'd agree with Mal on something.
>
> ;-) Scott
> VE7TIL
>
>
>
> mal hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Taking up 1 khz bandwidth in a 3 khz slot.
>> QRM GENERATOR
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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>> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>>
>>
>>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>>>
>>> centre frequency  503 khz
>>>
>>> tx mode usb
>>>
>>> power 30 watts tune signal
>>>
>>> Will send for next few hours
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>>> Reports welcome
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham
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>>>
>>>
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    G3KEV does not use BEACON MODE. I call CQ on 502.57 QSK QSK QSK and I am 
always in the shack when doing so to respond to anyone that breaks in. Sri 
Jim but you have got it WRONG.
I use NORMAL CW but do respond to QRS 3 at times when I have no other 
choice, certainly not my preferred mode.
I do not operate slower than qrs3.
de mal/g3kev

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> Dear Andy,
>
> I don't think there is a formal band plan as such, but informally, data
> modes and QRSS usually inhabit the range 503.0 - 504.0, the centre of CW
> activity is 502.5, some stations use the 501.0 - 502.0 kHz range for 
> beacon
> transmission, and 502.57 is G3KEV...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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>
>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>
>


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PG
Although I have not promped you, how did you arrive at this conclusion. Your 
opinion agrees with mine. Have you arrived at an answer yet?
At a pinch I could present the same question in a multiple choice format. 
Would this help I appreciate your input but keep it civil, don't wander off 
into Attach mode.
g3lkev


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> mal hamilton wrote:
>
>> I already know all the answers.
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> Yes, as you've told us many many many many times.....
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First decode here  at 2156

2009-01-31 21:58   WE2XGR   0.508511   -18   0   FN31   +57   501.187
 GM4SLV   IP90gg   5134   3190
 2009-01-31 21:56   WE2XGR   0.508510   -27   0   FN31   +57   501.187
  G4JNT   IO90iv   5399   3355
 2009-01-31 21:56   WE2XGR   0.508511   -18   0   FN31   +57   501.187
  GM4SLV   IP90gg   5134   3190
 2009-01-31 21:56   WE2XGR   0.508510   -27   0   FN31   +57   501.187
  K3SIW   EN52ta   1272   790
 2009-01-31 21:54   WE2XGR   0.508511   -20   0   FN31   +57   501.187
  GM4SLV   IP90gg   5134   3190


Andy  G4JNT
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2009/1/31 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
> Jay,
>
> first traces at 2132Z, first decode at 2144Z.
> Seems it took your signal about 20 minutes to travel 1000km more south
>
> What power - antenna - ERP are you running ?
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
> Quoting jrusgrove@comcast.net:
>
>> John
>>
>> See your first reception at 2122Z at -28 show up on the WSPR database a
>> few minutes ago. That's 44 minutes before our sunset. Nice!
>>
>> Jay  W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P-G"
>> <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR/2 in WSPR mode
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:35:48 -0500
>>> <jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John, Rik and group
>>>>
>>>> Confirming that WE2XGR/2 TX is up and WSPRing. Will continue
>>>> transmissions until at least 0000Z and probably beyond.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1st decode at 21:22 -28dB
>>>
>>> Some faint traces visible on prior periods.
>>>
>>> Looking good for the rest of the evening,
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>
>
>
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Hello LF-wisperers,

I was wondering if F5WK doesn't send wspr spots for M0BMU, and found this:
He's sending spots from the future back into the presence ;-)

http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=f5wk&sort=date

Seen there (2009-01-17 at 21:22 UTC) :

2009-01-17 00:12     M0BMU       0.137500    -2      0       IO91    +27  
 0.501       F5WK    JN18hp      409     254 
 2009-01-17 00:04    M0BMU       0.137500    -2      0       IO91    +27  
 0.501       F5WK    JN18hp      409     254 
 2009-01-16 23:56    M0BMU       0.137500    -3      0       IO91    +27  
 0.501       F5WK    JN18hp      409     254 


So the RX situation looks quite nice, and the TX power @ f5wk must be a 
bit less than +37 dBm :o]

Here at home, less impressiove SNR, but at least copy of both stns:

2110 -20  0.0   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37
2112 -21 -0.1   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2116 -22 -0.1   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2116 -19  0.2   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37
2122 -23 -0.1   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2122 -21  0.2   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37


73,
  Wolf .




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You are visible here, poor copy at present.
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Hello LF!

Transmitting CW ID + QRSS3 ID on 136.80kHz.


Again, thanks for all reports on last night's activity.

Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
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Dear wisperers,

it's getting crowdy at the top of the band: 5 stations recorded.
I am running WSJT7 and WSPR together and it works fine except for one  
odd event: WSPR missed the entire 20:08 slot (although 3 traces  
visisble) while WSJT7 recorded them all. I noticed that the noise  
level was up, close to "red". Maybe WSPR is more sensistive to  
overload ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Hello Henny, Jean Pierre, Victor and LF Group,

This morning I was alerted to a problem with the LF aerial by
loud bursts of static duuring the news broadcast on the
AM radio.  When the sun rose, it could be seen that the far end
had become detached from the tower as a result of last nights
strong winds.

The TX will be off the air until this can be repaired.

Thanks to all for the reports and kind words.

73
Joe
VO1NA

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, henny van elst wrote:

> Hi Joe and All,
> nothing seen Joe,
>
> henny pa3cpm
> 73s
>


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Eureka!!

>From a fresh download of QSPR WSPR v1.01

0151  -24    0.8   0.503499   0  M0BMU IO91 30
0159  -22    0.8   0.503499   0  M0BMU IO91 30


ARGO looks like bi level code now and I can hear it...
( sounded like RYRYRYRY at first )


Guess WSPR is better than CW...

Whudda thunk it??

Gotta go, Zed Cars and Magrait are on the telly... cheerie...

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Hi Warren,

capture XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
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Dear Dave, LF Group,

I looked at the NEHRS web site but am not much the wiser about what the 
nature of their project is - do you have any other info?

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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NEWS FLASH
The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF
CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts...



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Hello Markus and Jim, goodnight and see yu later.
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Strong signal with QSB,

73

Victor

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Jim
Today I have dismantled the 190m loop and erected another 1/4 wave inv L for 
500 and testing at present. First observations indicate more noise but 
signal is still strong in spite of noise.ie sig over noise still good.
DI2AG qrp beacon has noticeable fade, it shows that qrp definitely suffers 
more fade than qro beacons like DI2AM, virtually no fade noticeable.
73 mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:37 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Antenna Diversity


> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
> That is an interesting experiment - It would be interesting to know how 
> far
> apart the loops are to result in different fading patterns.
>
> I would be very wary in interpreting the results from two totally 
> different
> types of receiver - The SLM has essentially a fixed gain, while I see the
> IC-746 has a DSP "back end" with complex AGC loops acting on both analogue
> and digital parts. I guess the AGC in the IC746 is never totally disabled 
> in
> order to prevent overloading of the A/D converter. So that may explain why
> loop "B" has a more constant apparent output level. One check would be to
> swap over the antennas between receivers, and see what difference that 
> made.
> I suppose it would not be too difficult to have, say, a relay that 
> switched
> the same RX input between the two antennas, perhaps every 10 or 20s or so,
> with an attenuator pad to get the signal levels roughly equal. That way ,
> the comparison could be made with a single receiver.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> To: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:48 PM
> Subject: LF: Antenna Diversity
>
>
> LF/MF
> I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using two
> loops...
>
>


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Hello Jim:

I'll be looking for you stateside tonite, let's hope for 
some phenomenal propagation, 73, and good luck:

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN.
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 184.322 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35* 43' 54" - W:  84* 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr


--- On Wed, 1/7/09, James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> From: James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> Subject: LF: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:34 PM
> Dear LF Group,
> 
> I plan to operate the WSPR beacon again on 503.51kHz +/- RF
> (0.502MHz "dial frequency") from around 2200utc.
> Any reports would be very welcome.  The TX will be on 33%
> duty cycle, so if anyone else wants to join in, I should be
> able to give reports too.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU


      


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Hi John,

when I used a positive Dsec setting (eg. +1.5) in WSPR 1.01 to compensate for a PC clock running slightly behind UT, the reports 
came up with a timestamp from the past minute.

This evening I could make out all five traces in the spectrogram, but only the stronger ones (BMU, JNT, NBD) were decoded.

Markus, DF6NM

----- Original Message ----- 
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And occasionally one sees spots reported at WSPRnet with an ODD minute
timestamp - how's that done?

John




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Hi David and All

Although not LF related LASER DXing does share alot of common problems 
and solutions.

Here's a couple of links to some of the developments in the LASER DX area:
http://mail.rochester.edu/~af006m/LaserScatter.html
http://www.k3pgp.org/laserscatter.htm

I have here a 35 laser diode array at 100mW each that will someday 
become my laser EME rig...  A big project but lots of fun :-)

Hope you find this interesting.

73 Scott


G0MRF@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 31/12/2008 22:36:57 GMT Standard Time, 
> sthed475@telus.net writes:
>
>     Hi David
>
>     I've used JT65 to listen to cloud backscatter as well with a small
>     laser
>     radar system I built.  If only someone else out here had such a
>     rig :-)
>
>     73 Scott
>
> Hi Scott / Gary.
>  
> I have tried JT65 and some early versions of the mHz bandwidth 
> modulation systems using soundcards and lasers. Unfortunately the 
> soundcard program, which was presented a couple of years ago at a 
> microwave update by its US originator, suffered from drift in the 
> soundcard reference oscillator.
> At the time I wondered if the system would work for LF, but given the 
> problems I encountered with the laser, I didn't try to adapt it.
>  
> Although I do have a 20mW laser TX, I can't try any cloud bounce from 
> here as my QTH is only 5km from Heathrow airport.
>  
> HNY
>  
> David  G0MRF    - ( Best 2 way laser DX = 76.8km in good ol' CW)


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Hello Warren , LF ,
Very good copy of "XGJ" this night ! visible until 08:45 ( sunrise 06:45 )
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj


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TNX G, guess it was a bogus sig that shows up here often...

Also TU fer grabber url

Looks possibly good for tonight T/A with particle density @ 8.3 right now??

http://dx.qsl.net/propagation/propagation.html  Havn't figured this out 
yet...

73s from

Dave


----- Original Message ----- 
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>I don't think there is any 500 activity to  night ?
>
> This grabber is a good indication !
>
> http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/500-khz-grabbers
>
> G ..
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:59 AM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR
>
>>
>> Am I on the right track.??.
>>
>> Short of downloading the WSPR software, this is what I see tonight near
>> 503.500...
>>
>> SpectraVue http://www.radiocom.net/600M/WSPR503500.bmp
>>
>> And on ARGO QRSS3 a few hertz below 503.5 =
>> http://www.radiocom.net/600M/WSPR00000.jpg
>>
>> Looks louder and cleaner on QRSS10
>>
>> Lots of QRN tonight...
>>
>> Or is it just a birdy??
>>
>>
>> TNX
>>
>> Dave @ WD2XSH/17  ( in the colonies )
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Shouldn't they be marked as such by the program ? I have seen in the 
>>>> past
>>>> some rows
>>>> received by WSPR with the tag (bad msg)...  but maybe it catches only
>>>> some of the errors...
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1884 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 
>> 08:38
>>
>
> 



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Hi Jim, Markus et all,

Im so sri I had to switch off the TX and all other equipment so sudden,
but it happened somewhat like an accident in the house (stairway fall).

dj8wx will be on the air agn from 1700UTC until 2200UTC, qrg 135.975kHz,
mode WSPR, with abt 80mWERP (30mW extra for Niclas).

best regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv


Zitat von Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>:

> Hi Uwe, Jim and all,
>
> according to my grabber screenshots, it looks as if the DJ8WX 
> transmission had ended in the middle of a WSPR period at 21:45:48 UT.
>
> Regards,
> Markus, DF6NM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" 
> <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:09 AM
> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR
>
>
>> Dear Uwe, LF Group,
>>
>> Still nil since 2124utc - if this is due to QSB, it is very long duration!
>>
>> Looking at the decodes so far (see below), they are mostly quite 
>> close to the lower limit of WSPR at around -33dB SNR. So if the SNR 
>> has deteriorated a few dB, that could be why no more copy has 
>> occured. On the spectrogram, the band noise level appears to be 
>> similar to what it was earlier, although the sidebands from Lakihegy 
>> have increased by several dB.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>
>





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Good evening Mal, Paul-Henrik,

sorry if I caused QRM. Actually at 21:20 I tried to call OH1LSQ to get into "QSO mode", but I don't think that he actually received 
me. At the moment, his QRSS3 signal is difficult to see here in the noise.

Now back to 136.309 "beacon mode" ;-)

73 de Markus, DF6NM

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DF6NM on DFCW on 136.8 on top of OH1LSQ causing qrm
g3kev




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No  problem Dave,

I think it proved a point , just trying to  evaluate what happened !

Rgds

Graham


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From: "Dave G3WCB" <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
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Subject: RE: LF: [500] : Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER 
BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Sorry Graham,
>
> I only listened for Olivia - I've not tried multiPSK MFSK yet. I've got a
> screenshot of the waterfall display showing the Olivia signal received 
> here,
> along with the other stations. I'll send it direct- too big for the
> reflector!
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 03 January 2009 20:30
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: [500] : Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER
> BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for that , That is close to the full beacon text .. did you take 
> any
> of the mfsk ?
>
> Tnx- G ..
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Dave G3WCB" <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:54 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: LF: [500] : Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>>
>> Graham,
>>
>> Copied this just now. MultiPSK Olivia 8-250 mode
>>
>> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England
>>
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...gnbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kk
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Graham
>> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING
>> NOW - 1615 HRS
>>
>>
>> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in
>> parallel
>> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
>> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running
>> on
>> the same pc in beacon mode
>>
>> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference
>> signal
>> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>>
>> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
>> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
>> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
>> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>>
>> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
>> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>>
>> Running  3 mode beacon
>>
>> Dial set   502 khz usb
>>
>> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>>
>> 1250 hz   psk31
>>
>> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>>
>> Reports  welcome
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> G0NBD
>>
>> Io83LK
>>
>>
>>
>>
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In a message dated 31/12/2008 22:36:57 GMT Standard Time,  sthed475@telus.net 
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Hi  David

I've used JT65 to listen to cloud backscatter as well with a  small laser 
radar system I built.  If only someone else out here had  such a rig :-)

73 Scott



Hi Scott / Gary.
 
I have tried JT65 and some early versions of the mHz bandwidth modulation  
systems using soundcards and lasers. Unfortunately the soundcard program, which  
was presented a couple of years ago at a microwave update by its US 
originator,  suffered from drift in the soundcard reference oscillator.
At the time I wondered if the system would work for LF, but given the  
problems I encountered with the laser, I didn't try to adapt it.
 
Although I do have a 20mW laser TX, I can't try any cloud bounce from here  
as my QTH is only 5km from Heathrow airport.
 
HNY
 
David  G0MRF    - ( Best 2 way laser DX = 76.8km in  good ol' CW)

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Good morning,
Strong copy before midnight of RA3YO and DF6NM around 137.778 and later
at ~136.319 RU6LA and DF6NM (see attached picture).

DF6NM ist now calling CQ ~137.700KHz and maybe also DK6NI.

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I can see this signal but no ID. Some one has just sent 2 long dashes.
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dear Paul-Henrik, LF Group,
>
> It would appear you have QSY'd to 136.35kHz at around 1914utc... Still "O"
> copy in QRSS3 terms.
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> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
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Happy new year to ALL MF
The beacon DI2AG will be QRV also in 2009. The signal that you can see on th=
e Shetland grabber in this moment is generated by 0.4W ERP.
Condx seem to be good.
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Dear LF Group,

The WSPR beacon operated from about 2200 to 0800utc, and the ERP was 1W. 
Thanks for the reports, including from GM4ISM, M0LMH, G0NBD, F4DTL, F4EMV, 
G4CAO, G3WCB and DD7PC, and also thanks to others who were listening, 
including KU4XR - there will be future opportunities!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Dear John, LF Group,

Yes, that's me... copy is looking very patchy at your QTH tonight. I see the 
others are copying OK, from G3XVL at around +12dB SNR, down to the -20s by 
more distant stations, so there does not seem to be a problem with the 
transmitted signal. I seem to be copying everyone OK, except G0NBD - but 
there is a weak carrier here on about 503.950 which is probably QRMing him. 
You haven't changed PC by any chance...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> I notice strong traces on the WSPR waterfall at 503.900 from I believe
> M0BMU, but very few decodes? I don't usually have a problem with Jim's
> signal....
>
> John
>
>



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James Moritz wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
>
> The beacon is now up & running. I see there are 4 spots already on the 
> WSPR database. That was quick!
> Looking forward to further reports,
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
Hi Jim ,LF group

just a moment ago i got this :
2238 -24  0.9   0.503515  0 M0BMU IO91 30
of course, it went also to wsprnet.org.. :)

                                    73, peter, sq7mpj

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I have a QRP WSPR Beacon going on the usual 503870Hz frequency.     RF power
is 100mW which gives an an estimated ERP of -6dBm - needless to say the
reported power in the message is therefore wrong.

Its operating at 100% duty cycle at the moment while the band is quiet - if
anyone has probs, just give a shout here and I'll drop the rate.

The WSPRnet database is showing Jim's copy of it at -29dB S/N, which
compares well with the transmission an hour earlier when I made some antenna
tuning tweaks and confirmed max power from the broadband PA as 140 Watts.
Jim's report on that was +2dB S/N.   31dB higher and within 0.5dB of
expected.

Andy  G4JNT
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<div>I have a QRP WSPR Beacon going on the usual 503870Hz frequency.&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; RF power is 100mW which&nbsp;gives an&nbsp;an estimated ERP=
 of -6dBm - needless to say the reported power in the message is therefore w=
rong.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Its operating at 100% duty cycle at the moment while the band is quiet=20=
- if anyone has probs, just give a shout here and I&#39;ll drop the rate.</d=
iv>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The WSPRnet database is showing Jim&#39;s copy of it&nbsp;at -29dB S/N,=
 which compares well with the transmission an hour earlier when I&nbsp;made=20=
some antenna tuning tweaks and confirmed max power from the broadband PA as=20=
140 Watts.&nbsp; Jim&#39;s report on that was +2dB S/N.&nbsp; &nbsp;31dB hig=
her and&nbsp;within 0.5dB of expected.</div>

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Beacon  QRT    2300 hrs

Thanks for the reports and posted decodes

G ..


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Subject: LF: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING 
NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in 
> parallel
> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running 
> on
> the same pc in beacon mode
>
> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference 
> signal
> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>
> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>
> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>
> Running  3 mode beacon
>
> Dial set   502 khz usb
>
> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>
> 1250 hz   psk31
>
> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>
> Reports  welcome
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
> Io83LK
>
>
>
>



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Tnx Jay
Same procedure as last time. You TX and when I see ur sig I will start calli=
ng on 502.57 khz. Let me know ur freq 508.51 was good last time.
I saw ur sig at 2157 utc. Let me know if this suits you. Anyone else interes=
ted in UK could get along side my transmission for a possible qso also.
I will tx QRS 3 like last time, that is a good speed for a QSO and QSB beate=
r.
I will use two antennas for RX tonite as an experiment in diversity receptio=
n. Ant 1 ususal 190m loop, Ant 2 40m loop, both orientated in ur direction.
E/W. TX ant is 1/4 inv L=20
73 de mal/g3kev
=20

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Mal

  Antenna is back up in the air here...but we're expecting a snow storm star=
ting mid afternoon running through tomorrow morning. Suspect static levels w=
ill be high but will be happy to take a look...if you care to transmit at a=20=
specific time.

  Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone availab=
le this week end.
    Temp minus 3 today so far antenna ok

    mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tnx Jay</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Same procedure as last time. You TX and whe=
n I see=20
ur sig I will start calling on 502.57 khz. Let me know ur freq 508.51 was go=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I saw ur sig at 2157 utc. Let me know if th=
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possible qso also.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will tx QRS 3 like last time, that is a g=
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speed for a QSO and QSB beater.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will use two antennas for RX tonite as=20
an&nbsp;experiment in diversity reception. Ant 1 ususal 190m loop, Ant 2 40m=
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loop, both orientated in ur direction.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>E/W. TX&nbsp;ant is 1/4 inv L </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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>jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
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21=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: MF CONDX</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antenna is back up in the air here...but=20=
we're=20
  expecting a snow storm starting mid afternoon running through tomorrow=20
  morning. Suspect static levels will be high but will be happy to take a=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp;=20
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2009=20=
9:46=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: MF CONDX</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF condx vy good at present. Now is the=
 time=20
    for TR&nbsp;QSO'S anyone available this week end.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Temp minus 3 today so far antenna=20
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Hello Warren and LF!
I saw XGJ and XKO this morning.

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Dear Wolf, LF Group,

Thanks for all the reports on the WSPR beacon overnight.

Solid copy of DF0WD here since 0920.

The beacon is still running here, although at reduced power from last night, 
due to lowering the antenna to normal height around 0600 - 0630utc this 
morning.

I will have to QRT in a while (I have to leave the house sometimes...), but 
will leave the RX on to upload further activity. Hopefully I will be back in 
time to give Michel F5WK something to copy during his expedition.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Hello Jim,
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> Are you receiving on 137.5 kHz in WSPR too ?



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Dear Uwe,

2008 -33  1.0   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43

First receive period = first decode!

Cheers, Jim moritz
73 de M0BMU


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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:48:55 +0000
John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> If anyone has a desire for remote grabber then let me know and I'll
> set it up for the period of your tests.


Since it's possible to run WSPR and Spec Lab concurrently I'm running a
grabber on 500kHz too

Spectrum range shown will be 503 - 505.300 (to include the various
beacons)

upload at 5 minute intervals to 

http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_500.jpg

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John
GM4SLV


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Hi Jim, LF Group
Fine copy on my grabber / WSPR decode, now I have re-centred the WSPR 
decoder. I had to change it last week to decode someone..
Interestingly  sometimes I am seeing an extra faint trace from Jim, almost 
exactly 100Hz up and it even decoded on one over. It is much weaker (at 
least 15dB down). An alias / mixing product on my system? or is anyone else 
seeing this?
I am not seeing any extra signals on the DI2AM beacon, which is  on average 
10dB stronger than Jim
Also getting occasional decodes from G4WGT
Cheers
Mark GM4ISM

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> Dear LF Group,
>
> The M0BMU WSPR beacon is now running on 503.5kHz again, hopefully 
> continuing
> overnight. Any reports would be very welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>


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Hello Markus,

1st decode

2314    -23dB

WSPRnet spot page gives QRB as 1444km!

Cheers!

John
GM4SLV
IP90gg



On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:00:32 +0100
"Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com> wrote:

> Good evening Alberto,
> 
> great, someone's out there watching! A good reason to switch it back
> on for another hour or so.
> 
> Thank you for reporting!
> 
> 73 de Markus, DF6NM
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alberto di Bene" <dibene@usa.net>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:46 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz
> 
> 
>  It looks like Markus has switched on his Tx...
>  
>  2220 -16  2.6   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
>  2226 -16  2.6   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
>  2230 -19  2.7   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
>  2234 -20  2.8   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
>  
>  73  Alberto  I2PHD
> 


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Correct Andy and it is a pity that it closed. I called you several times on 
CW but you did not answer!!!!!!!!!!!! although I did hear a BUZZ and a BANG 
from you and always wondered what you were doing hi
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Now, 73kHz was a real MANs band - never worked you then, Mal.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/25 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>> It is reasonably easy to get going on 500 khz but 137 khz is a MAN'S 
>> band
>> and the BOYS need to catch up. There were a few active this morning on 
>> 137
>> khz and I am sure if approached they would gladly help the BOYS to get 
>> going
>> on LF. If my information is correct RUSTY RAZOR has been listening on LF 
>> and
>> I suppose that is a start !!
>> g3kev
>>
>>
>>
>


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For what its worth, I was decoding both M0BMU and G0NBD on alternate lines l=
ast night.
I'm in Watford (only 17 km from Jim so a VERY big signal !) - G0NBD was inau=
dible.

Brian (G3YKB)

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote:
From: John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD difficult to decode
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 10:42 AM

mal hamilton wrote:
> Johan
> I have mentioned this several times before but noone seems to know why=20
> strong signals or any visible signals do not DECODE. I get some decodes=20
> therefore I know my system is working but not sure whether the problem is
at=20
> the TX or RX end. To me wspr seems unreliable given the strength of
signals=20
> but producing only marginal decoded output.
> 73 de mal/gkev
>=20


Mal, LF,

In general WSPR is very good at decoding weak signals - that's what
it's
all about after all - and can give reliable decodes on signals that are
inaudible and only faintly visible on the waterfall. Occasionally there
seem to be certain strong signals that won't decode, when weaker signals
from the same stations are fine.

Some discussion has taken place on the WSPR forum over incompatible
soundcard sampling rates, others on HF have seem the same "won't
decode
strong signals" problems too.

In the current case, with G0NBD, I guess the problem, whatever it is, is
  at the sending end, as similarly strong signals from others (M0BMU and
G4JNT) decoded fine here, and elsewhere, yet many people had trouble
with G0NBD's signal.

I see that Chris G3XVL often reports a +13dB s/n ratio for Jim's signal,
which shows that strong signals can decode correctly.


The question of brevity in passing information (ie "having a QSO") is
moot - it's not really intended for that purpose. It's point is to
allow
monitoring of the path conditions, using low power "weak signals" -
WSPR
stands for "Weaks Signal Propagation Reporting". If you want a mode
for
conveying information and exchanging reports then there's a whole gamut
- not least among them good old CW.

WPSR allows the collection, automatically, of data showing the changes
in path conditions over time, with a centralised online database of the
results, allowing others to do whatever number crunching they care to on
the data. For this the mode is perfectly valid, and given low enough
transmit power from the stations involved it shouldn't cause too many
problems for other band users. Last night's results showed that, for
inter-G (even up to Shetland) the ERPs involved were too high. Gary,
with his 5W TX and 2mW ERP is showing the way it should be done - and
that wouldn't cause too much QRM for those seeking CW QSOs elsewhere on
the band.

Using WSPR on 160m recently I discovered that I have a regular opening
to N6TTO on the west coast of USA, and I'm often the only Eu station to
receive him. Relying on more traditional modes I'd probably never have
discovered this. It means that perhaps my location is suitable for 160m,
and might be worth some investment in time/effort to get on the band.
Without the research using WSPR I'd have not realised that my location
was special - although my low noise floor has already proved its worth
on 500kHz.

Just a few thoughts from here.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV





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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"t=
op" style=3D"font: inherit;">For what its worth, I was decoding both M0BMU a=
nd G0NBD on alternate lines last night.<br>I'm in Watford (only 17 km from J=
im so a VERY big signal !) - G0NBD was inaudible.<br><br>Brian (G3YKB)<br><b=
r>--- On <b>Tue, 27/1/09, John P-G <i>&lt;gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk&gt;<=
/i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 25=
5); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: John P-G &lt;gm4slv@sighthou=
nd.demon.co.uk&gt;<br>Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD difficult to decode<br>To: rsgb=
_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 10:42 AM<br><br=
><pre>mal hamilton wrote:<br>&gt; Johan<br>&gt; I have mentioned this severa=
l times before but noone seems to know why <br>&gt; strong signals or any vi=
sible signals do not DECODE. I get some decodes <br>&gt; therefore I know my=
 system is working but not sure whether the problem is<br>at
 <br>&gt; the TX or RX end. To me wspr seems unreliable given the strength o=
f<br>signals <br>&gt; but producing only marginal decoded output.<br>&gt; 73=
 de mal/gkev<br>&gt; <br><br><br>Mal, LF,<br><br>In general WSPR is very goo=
d at decoding weak signals - that's what<br>it's<br>all about after all - an=
d can give reliable decodes on signals that are<br>inaudible and only faintl=
y visible on the waterfall. Occasionally there<br>seem to be certain strong=20=
signals that won't decode, when weaker signals<br>from the same stations are=
 fine.<br><br>Some discussion has taken place on the WSPR forum over incompa=
tible<br>soundcard sampling rates, others on HF have seem the same "won't<br=
>decode<br>strong signals" problems too.<br><br>In the current case, with G0=
NBD, I guess the problem, whatever it is, is<br>  at the sending end, as sim=
ilarly strong signals from others (M0BMU and<br>G4JNT) decoded fine here, an=
d elsewhere, yet many people had trouble<br>with G0NBD's
 signal.<br><br>I see that Chris G3XVL often reports a +13dB s/n ratio for J=
im's signal,<br>which shows that strong signals can decode correctly.<br><br=
><br>The question of brevity in passing information (ie "having a QSO") is<b=
r>moot - it's not really intended for that purpose. It's point is to<br>allo=
w<br>monitoring of the path conditions, using low power "weak signals" -<br>=
WSPR<br>stands for "Weaks Signal Propagation Reporting". If you want a mode<=
br>for<br>conveying information and exchanging reports then there's a whole=20=
gamut<br>- not least among them good old CW.<br><br>WPSR allows the collecti=
on, automatically, of data showing the changes<br>in path conditions over ti=
me, with a centralised online database of the<br>results, allowing others to=
 do whatever number crunching they care to on<br>the data. For this the mode=
 is perfectly valid, and given low enough<br>transmit power from the station=
s involved it shouldn't cause too many<br>problems for
 other band users. Last night's results showed that, for<br>inter-G (even up=
 to Shetland) the ERPs involved were too high. Gary,<br>with his 5W TX and 2=
mW ERP is showing the way it should be done - and<br>that wouldn't cause too=
 much QRM for those seeking CW QSOs elsewhere on<br>the band.<br><br>Using W=
SPR on 160m recently I discovered that I have a regular opening<br>to N6TTO=20=
on the west coast of USA, and I'm often the only Eu station to<br>receive hi=
m. Relying on more traditional modes I'd probably never have<br>discovered t=
his. It means that perhaps my location is suitable for 160m,<br>and might be=
 worth some investment in time/effort to get on the band.<br>Without the res=
earch using WSPR I'd have not realised that my location<br>was special - alt=
hough my low noise floor has already proved its worth<br>on 500kHz.<br><br>J=
ust a few thoughts from here.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>John<br>GM4SLV<br><br><b=
r></pre></blockquote></td></tr></table><br>



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Hello LF'ers,
This night UA4WPF receives in QRS120.
Range 137.774 - 137.780 khz.
QTH-loc LO66PU 

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


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Mal, LF

Just checking what I can hear right now on 500 with the 136kHz TX antenna:

SK6RUD, DI2AM, GW4HXO

So RX on 500 should not be a problem for X-band. I have to change positions=20=
and
swap some BNC connectors in overs but it can be done.

CW or QRSS3 on 136kHz, you mentioned my signal was audible, enough for a min=
imum
QSO?


73's

Paul

Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Paul
> Can we have a qso xband u on 136.8 and I will tx on 502.57 khz or 1833 khz=
 MF
> CW
>
> 73 mal/g3kev
>




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LF,

 

Oh my god, he's doing it on 136KHz now !!!

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:22
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: QRS 240

 

Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot
!!!.Think how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB
on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1

g3kev

 


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Hello Warren, LF!
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Hi John, LF,

I have only seen partial traces of G0NBD & no decodes & I am quite close,
Graham is about 50Hz higher than me.

My dial frequency is 502.100KHz & Tx frequency should be 503.600KHz.

73

Gary - G4WGT

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Hello LF,

G0NBD has been received at up to -5dB here, on 503.637, yet no sign of
a spot from anyone else on WSPRNET.

I wonder if it's because we're all on different dial frequencies?

Due to Gary using 503.600 RF I decided to shif up in dial freq to
502.100, which puts him in the centre of the 200Hz WSPR window, rather
than right at the top, had I stayed on 502.000

This of cource means anyone using 502.000 won't see the transmission
from G0NBD.

Can we decide on a dial QRG?

I am going off island first thing in the morning, returning TUesday
evening, so I'll leave the WSPR setup running. Does anyone have a
preferrence for which band would be most useful to watch for my
reported spots?

I'll set up for either 500 or 137 according to the requests I get in
the next hour or so.

Cheers,

John



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Hello Markus,
I already tired to clean snow, but it is necessary to do it else 4-5 hours:)

Many thanks to Laurence for the grabber!

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


> Hi Andrey,
>
> good job, that snow dusting - you're visible on the grabber in BY now!
>
> Laurence,  you see that leaving the grabber running is being very much appreciated... have a good flight!
>
> 73 and good luck too all
> Markus, DF6NM
>
>
> PS. oh, the baby bottle there, on the end of the pole in the sky? That's for feeding the angels, of course. Don't worry it won't 
> catch fire, unless a dragon is trying to take a sip...
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrey rn3agc" <rn3agc@mail.ru>
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> All is clear, Nicolas. In Moscow too it is snowing.
> My beacon works on 137776,4 and in pauses between "A" I clean off snow from antenna insulators:)
>
> 73
> Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV
>
> 



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Hello Warren and LF!
I didn=B4t see XGJ signal between 23:20 - 24:00UT last night.=20

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Hello Andrey nothing on your grabber, i stop my beacon now.
Thanx dear Andrey.
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F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP



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Hello  Nicolas,
Thanks, I will watch. My grabber  www.rn3agc.msk.ru/en/grabber1.shtml

73
Andrey RN3AGC in  KO85SV


>Hello Andrey, for a test with you,im beaconing now and  until 2200Z on=20
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>
>Best regards F4DTL  JN18FP







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Is there a Shetlands or Orkneys LF grabber in operation. I have not heard fr=
om  RUSTY RAZOR for a while, but did hear he was last seen in Sunderland ERP=
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G3KEV

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ZDR Lubomir & LF!

The 775 line- is a russian Chaika.
When we copy 775 in Moscow the good prop from east russia still present 
as usual.
The 781 line was looked by RA3YO some time. We are don't know what is 
that.


* Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com> [Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:26:57 +0100]:
>
> Hello LF!
> Does anybody know something about lines on the picture? They appear
> every day after sunset and disappear with sunrise. They are very 
stable
> and on the accurate frequency. I know lines from Loran-C, but these
> lines are another else, I think.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
> * "Unknown_lines.JPG"
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:45:06 -0500
"dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net> wrote:

> What could this mean??

He's moved to the East Riding?


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Hi Rik, LF,

I did make some changes a while ago, the 500KHz grabbers are operating at :-

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html
and
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html

When in-operative due to work at my end I always place a notice on the page.

I can get John's grabber at :-
http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/grabber2.htm
or
http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg

But at the moment but it appears to be off line.

And Mark's appears to have gone away!! at :-
http://92.235.33.173:8080/


73

Gary - G4WGT.



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Dear all,

for various reasons (busy, antenna down due to construction) I haven't  
been active during the past 2 months.
Today I re-installed the (improved) antenna. The work paid off,  
antenna current is up from 2.4 A to 2.8 A.
But as I tried the grabbers some seemed to have gone or moved. G3YXM  
and GM4ISM are still where they used to be, but I couldn't find G4WGT  
and GM4SLV.
Googling them didn't help (lot's of hits but all to dead links).

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

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Hi!

Since about 22h UT the Longwave Radio Transmitter Hellissandur 189kHz ist detectable again, in Berlin city. Detectable doesn't mean "clearely audible", but I can hear: it's there. 

Would you say, there were/are any enhanced longwave condx last night/tonight?


Regards
Dennis
DL6NVC











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MF
Testing two antennas in diversity on signals around EU seem to give the same=
 results. Both antennas producing virtually the same results, no one any bet=
ter than the other, this is probably because with these antennas the signals=
 are strong and fade barely noticeable.
This is just a comparison test and not scientific, therefore no measurements=
 have been made. The object of the exercise is to maximise the signal presen=
tation on received signals for QSO purposes. There is some fade noticeable a=
t times but only minimal and signals are perfectly readable both visual and=20=
audible all the time.=20
I have to check the system on long haul where fade is noticeable especially=20=
the USA stns. One other point is antenna separation, my antennas are not far=
 enough apart, although they are clear from one another.=20
Maybe two small dissimilar antennas, spaced well apart would give discernabl=
e differences in diversity reception, a small loop orientated towards the ta=
rgetg signal and a small vertical or probe type.
I have been watching SK6RUD and DI2AM most of today and each has been strong=
 throughout the day with virtually no noticeable fade observed on either ant=
enna.

Antennas tested are :-
190 metre loop, 40 metre loop and a 1/4 wave inv L full size on 500 khz. The=
 1/4 wave is more lively than the loops, noise increases but so does the sig=
nal, so its all relative. General noise level at this qth is low, mostly atm=
ospheric noise.=20

As described before I am using two RX's and both audio ouputs displayed sepa=
rately to compare signal intensity. I briefly tried one RX and two antennas=20=
but that did not look as good and was difficult to balance each antenna, bea=
ring in mind that cancellation could be a problem if not engineered properly=
.
I have seen this method used in the past with a properly designed front end=20=
mixer pre RX and each antenna's performance visible on a meter.=20
This was on HF and was very impressive watching the signal on one  antenna p=
eak while the other hardly produced any signal and vice versa.
This was using two dissimilar hf antennas spaced apart but only a 100 metres=
 or so.

73 de mal/g3kev




















































































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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Testing two antennas in diversity on signal=
s around=20
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=20
results, no one any better than the other, this is probably because with the=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is just a comparison test and not scie=
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s.=20
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perfectly readable both visual and audible all the time. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have to check the system on long haul whe=
re fade=20
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, my=20
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another. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe two small&nbsp;dissimilar antennas, s=
paced=20
well apart would give discernable differences in diversity reception, a smal=
l=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have been watching SK6RUD and DI2AM most=20=
of today=20
and each has been strong throughout the day with virtually no noticeable fad=
e=20
observed on either antenna.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antennas tested are :-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>190 metre loop, 40 metre loop and a 1/4 wav=
e inv L=20
full size on 500 khz. The 1/4 wave is more lively than the loops, noise=20
increases but so does the signal, so its all relative. General noise level a=
t=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As described before I am using two RX's and=
 both=20
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ed=20
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balance each antenna, bearing in mind that cancellation could be a problem i=
f=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have seen this method used in the past wi=
th a=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This was on HF and was very impressive watc=
hing the=20
signal on one&nbsp; antenna peak while the other hardly produced any signal=20=
and=20
vice versa.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This was using two dissimilar hf antennas s=
paced=20
apart but only a 100 metres or so.</FONT></DIV>
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Hello Mal,
You can also use MOS or IGBT in synchronous rectifier. The current of loss i=
s much weaker and of much better output.
73: Jeff=20

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  Does anyone know a source for hi current rectifiers. ie 50 - 100A at low v=
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  So far I have only found low current high voltage devices on Internet.
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Thank you. I have corrected my RX calibration.

John F5VLF

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 31/12/2008 at 07:27 F4DTL@aol.com wrote:

>Hello John thanx,
>attention my frequency was 137.720 kHz verify your offset  or USB/LSB mode=20
>with Spectrum Lab.
>=20
>F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP
>_http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)






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Switched off at 2300z to go to bed...

I'm looking at code to generate  a WSPR signal directly from a DDS/PIC
combination controlled from GPS timing   When done, it will be
possible to leave a beacon running without having to leave the PC on
overnight.

PAs and drivers,  happy enough leaving on unattended as I have control
over their thermal protection etc,
But PCs, although designed for 100% on-time, I don't have control over
their hardware.

Also, PICs driving DDSs aren't prone to crashing

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/26 dave.riley3 <dave.riley3@verizon.net>:
> I waited till past 7am Z but the past several frames were without a
> signal...
>
> The creshendo, possibly grey line signal was about 30 minutes previous, then
> nothing...
>
> Started copying you well before sunset here...
>
> Throughout the monitor time, the proton density was above 10
>
> TNX
>
> Dave @ FN42pb  " Western Tower "
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz"
> <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:21 AM
> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
>
>> Dear Dave, LF Group,
>>
>> Many thanks to everyone who listened for the WSPR beacons and for all the
>> reports. Over the last few weeks, 50 or so stations have copied the beacons,
>> in about 14 different countries, so a fair bit of activity has been stirred
>> up. It is nice to see that quite a large proportion of reports have come
>> from stations who  have not previously been involved with LF/MF, so perhaps
>> we have made a few "converts". This is particularly so with 500kHz, where it
>> would appear it is often possible to get quite good reception by plugging a
>> random wire antenna into a standard receiver, so it is not difficult for
>> people to get involved.
>>
>> I see there were around 40 spots uploaded from Dave, AA1A, through the
>> night, with the last one at 0646utc. Would be interested to know if that was
>> when the signal dropped out, or if that was when you went QRT?
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>
>
>


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I don't think there is any 500 activity to  night ?

This grabber is a good indication !

http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/

http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/500-khz-grabbers

G ..

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From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
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Subject: Re: LF: WSPR

>
> Am I on the right track.??.
>
> Short of downloading the WSPR software, this is what I see tonight near
> 503.500...
>
> SpectraVue http://www.radiocom.net/600M/WSPR503500.bmp
>
> And on ARGO QRSS3 a few hertz below 503.5 =
> http://www.radiocom.net/600M/WSPR00000.jpg
>
> Looks louder and cleaner on QRSS10
>
> Lots of QRN tonight...
>
> Or is it just a birdy??
>
>
> TNX
>
> Dave @ WD2XSH/17  ( in the colonies )
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:50 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR
>
>
>>
>>> Shouldn't they be marked as such by the program ? I have seen in the 
>>> past
>>> some rows
>>> received by WSPR with the tag (bad msg)...  but maybe it catches only
>>> some of the errors...
>
>
>



>
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29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your score.
g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
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  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM
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  LF,

  =20

  Oh my god, he's doing it on 136KHz now !!!

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT.

  =20


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  =20

  Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot !!!.T=
hink how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB on rhe=
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  g3kev

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What=20=
is your=20
score.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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ksheep.org</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:=
28=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: QRS 240</DIV>
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:02:35 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> I see I am also being spotted by a"K1JT" at -1dB SNR, so I guess
> someone has forgotten to update the settings on their WSPR. It really
> wasn't a good idea for Joe to use his own station details as the
> default!

Oh no.... my illusions shattered!



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MCW: what a waste of bandwidth, Mal will allert OFCOM !

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 00:42 7/01/2009, you wrote:
>  No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz.
>
>73 DJ1ZB
>
>
>  "M0FMT" <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb:
>Hi Mal and LF
>
>I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope detector. 
>A true CW man, I would have thought, should only entertain the use 
>of a Cohere detector!
>
>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a 
>range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably 
>work over a much lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.
>
><http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm>http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm
>
>73 pefmt
>
>
>
>
>
>--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
>From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM
>
>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info from the web.
>g3kev
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:riese-k3djc@juno.com>riese-k3djc@juno.com
>To: <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM
>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
>
>310113517964   E bay too
>
>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" 
><<mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net>g3kevmal@talktalk.net> writes:
>Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I 
>have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the 
>opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was 
>used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
>Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable 
>to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.
>Build one and have a QSO using this RX
>g3kev
>
>
>
>
>
>____________________________________________________________
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MCW: what a waste of bandwidth, Mal will allert OFCOM !<br><br>
73, Rik&nbsp; ON7YD - OR7T<br><br>
At 00:42 7/01/2009, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">&nbsp;No problem! Use MCW! Has
been typical for 500 kHz.<br><br>
73 DJ1ZB<br><br>
<br>
&nbsp;&quot;M0FMT&quot; &lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt; schrieb: <br>

<dl>
<dd>Hi Mal and LF<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd>I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope detector. A
true CW man, I would have thought, should only entertain the use of a
Cohere detector!<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a
range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work
over a much lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd><a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm">
http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm</a><br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd>73 pefmt<br><br>
<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br><br>
<br>

<dd>--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton
&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br>

<dl>
<dd>From: mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<br>

<dd>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<br>

<dd>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>

<dd>Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM<br><br>

<dd><font size=2>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction.
Not info from the web.<br>

<dd>g3kev<br>
</font>
<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dl>
<dd>----- Original Message ----- <br>

<dd>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:riese-k3djc@juno.com">riese-k3djc@juno.com</a> <br>

<dd>To:</b>
<a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> <br>

<dd>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM<br>

<dd>Subject:</b> Re: LF: Razor blade RX<br><br>

<dd>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 &quot;mal hamilton&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</a>&gt;
writes:<br>

<dl>
<dd><font size=2>Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a
while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the
opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was used
successfully&nbsp; at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC
broadcasts.<br>

<dd>Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to
MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these
bands.<br>

<dd>Build one and have a QSO using this RX<br>

<dd>g3kev<br>
</font>
<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br><br>

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OM
Your transmission is outside the band limit, spreading to 504.6 khz.
I can see why OFCOM are concerned about stricter control concerning data 
mode bandwidth.
g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>
> centre frequency  503 khz
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Gary,

You sure its  working , don't see  Jack splash  the mid band beacon ?

G ..=20


From: Gary - G4WGT=20
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 9:09 PM
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Subject: LF: G4WGT grabbers.


Hi LF,

=20

G4WGT grabbers back on.

=20

73,

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Gary,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>You sure its&nbsp; working , don't see&nbsp=
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splash&nbsp; the mid band beacon ?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>G .. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A   title=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tis=
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Hello LF!
Only one expression - excelent propagation!

73, Lubos, OK2BVG

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Hello LF!<br>Only one expression - excelent propagation!<br><br>73, Lubos, O=
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ZDR Lubomir & LF!

The 775 line- is a russian Chaika.
When we copy 775 in Moscow the good prop from east russia still present 
as usual.
The 781 line was looked by RA3YO some time. We are don't know what is 
that.


* Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com> [Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:26:57 +0100]:
>
> Hello LF!
> Does anybody know something about lines on the picture? They appear
> every day after sunset and disappear with sunrise. They are very 
stable
> and on the accurate frequency. I know lines from Loran-C, but these
> lines are another else, I think.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
>
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> * "Unknown_lines.JPG"
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD difficult to decode


> mal hamilton wrote:
>> Johan
>> I have mentioned this several times before but noone seems to know why
>> strong signals or any visible signals do not DECODE. I get some decodes
>> therefore I know my system is working but not sure whether the problem is 
>> at
>> the TX or RX end. To me wspr seems unreliable given the strength of 
>> signals
>> but producing only marginal decoded output.
>> 73 de mal/gkev
>>
>
>
> Mal, LF,
>
> In general WSPR is very good at decoding weak signals - that's what it's
> all about after all - and can give reliable decodes on signals that are
> inaudible and only faintly visible on the waterfall. Occasionally there
> seem to be certain strong signals that won't decode, when weaker signals
> from the same stations are fine.
>
> Some discussion has taken place on the WSPR forum over incompatible
> soundcard sampling rates, others on HF have seem the same "won't decode
> strong signals" problems too.
>
> In the current case, with G0NBD, I guess the problem, whatever it is, is
>  at the sending end, as similarly strong signals from others (M0BMU and
> G4JNT) decoded fine here, and elsewhere, yet many people had trouble
> with G0NBD's signal.
>
> I see that Chris G3XVL often reports a +13dB s/n ratio for Jim's signal,
> which shows that strong signals can decode correctly.
>
>
> The question of brevity in passing information (ie "having a QSO") is
> moot - it's not really intended for that purpose. It's point is to allow
> monitoring of the path conditions, using low power "weak signals" - WSPR
> stands for "Weaks Signal Propagation Reporting". If you want a mode for
> conveying information and exchanging reports then there's a whole gamut
> - not least among them good old CW.
>
> WPSR allows the collection, automatically, of data showing the changes
> in path conditions over time, with a centralised online database of the
> results, allowing others to do whatever number crunching they care to on
> the data. For this the mode is perfectly valid, and given low enough
> transmit power from the stations involved it shouldn't cause too many
> problems for other band users. Last night's results showed that, for
> inter-G (even up to Shetland) the ERPs involved were too high. Gary,
> with his 5W TX and 2mW ERP is showing the way it should be done - and
> that wouldn't cause too much QRM for those seeking CW QSOs elsewhere on
> the band.
>
Over the years I have worked W6 and W7 area and VE7 many times on 160m plus 
KL7 on normal CW not to mention KH6 and ZL
    G3KEV


> Using WSPR on 160m recently I discovered that I have a regular opening
> to N6TTO on the west coast of USA, and I'm often the only Eu station to
> receive him. Relying on more traditional modes I'd probably never have
> discovered this. It means that perhaps my location is suitable for 160m,
> and might be worth some investment in time/effort to get on the band.
> Without the research using WSPR I'd have not realised that my location
> was special - although my low noise floor has already proved its worth
> on 500kHz.
>
> Just a few thoughts from here.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>


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Alberto,

thank you too for this report. I have switched off the WSPR beacon now at 0:02 - time to catch some sleep.

73 and good night de Markus, DF6NM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alberto di Bene" <dibene@usa.net>
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Subject: LF: RE: WSPR beacon on 136kHz


> This is what has been copied so far, starting at about 22:00 UTC
> 
> 2232 -27  2.1   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
> 2244 -27  2.1   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
> 2252 -19  2.1   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2300 -17  2.2   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2306 -19  2.2   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2310 -16  2.3   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2318 -17  2.4   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2326 -20  2.3   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2328 -25  1.3   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2330 -15  2.3   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2332 -24  1.1   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2336 -14  2.4   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2340 -27  1.2   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2344 -21  2.4   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2348 -27  1.3   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2352 -18  2.4   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 
> Rx : Perseus    Ant : Roelof mini-whip    Winrad -> VAC -> WSPR
> 
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD



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Hello LF'ers,
capture last night in 22.20z

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


>Hello LF!
>There is a nice DFCW signal from SO5AS (KO02JD) on 137.700kHz now.
>
>Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
>
>
>
>StÃ¡hnÄ›te si zcela novÃ½ Messenger 2009! Klikni zde! 

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Dear Andy,

Copied your WSPR test just now. Reported frequency was 0.503500, so no 
problem there.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Stewart Bryant wrote:
> mal hamilton wrote:
>> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have 
>> had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to 
>> submit a cct I will await replies. 
>
> I think that we all give up - just tell us how to do it.
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> Stewart/G3YSX
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>
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Please remove me from the list, I'm loosing the will to live....
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Try the top end of 30m where most digi types hang out during the day.

Normally the digi types don't need to occupy the entire band and 
congregate in small areas of BW.

Oh, and listen really carefully as most digi ops are using QRP or QRPP 
as the modes don't need alot of power to be effective...







mal hamilton wrote:
> I have been looking around the various HF bands for NON MORSE acty 
> and find  that the old RTTY is the most prolific mode in use, it looks 
> like the use of other data modes are rare, perhaps more suited to 
> V/UHF EME work etc.
> g3kev
>  


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Greetings Chris from Stateside:

Remember that the greatest weapon you have in cyberwar;
" Is The DELETE Button " Use it often, and bomb the heck
out of your cyber-enemy. A great strategy of warfare is 
not necessarily greater might; but to stir up dissention
among the ranks of your enemy. When they're fighting
among themselves; there's little fighting left for you 
to do.  73 OM, and have a wonderful day:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN.
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--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com> wrote:

> From: Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com>
> Subject: LF: On it goes
> To: "RSGB lf Group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 11:07 AM
> I am starting to get just a little fed up with this group.
> Chris, G4AYT.


      


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My NoV for 500kHz came through yesterday, authorising  0dBW ERP, modes
FSK, PSK, MSK and TBD just as I'd asked for.   It also allows ASK, but
didn't specifically request that :-)

This morning got the 7m Tee antenna resonant using an old Decca
variometer with a few more turns added, and made a 550kHz Low Pass
filter for the Tx.   Have just now tested the Tx + ant at 120 Watts RF
from a commercial 0.5 to 40MHz broadband PA and all works fine -
apologies to anyone who saw the carrier at 503.0000000kHz for a few
minutes at 1430z.  I couldn't modulate at that point.

Antenna measures 28 ohms loss resistance at a first quick look, but
I'll measure more accurately when the weather is a bit warmer / drier!
  If that is the figure, then efficiency will be in the region of -25
to -23dB and with the PA wound up to maximum rate dOP of 200 Watts
should get within a few dB of the power limit.    Loss resistance of
that antenna follows a steady progression with frequency :

73kHz     200R
137kHz   100R
502kHz     28R
1900kHz   18R

That is, of course, total loss resistance including the wet tree and
roof tile lossy-near field effects.

Next stage is to complete the IQ converter direct from soundcard
output.   I'm trying to come up with a simple design that won't need
much tweaking to get a decent sideband isolation.  Last week tried a
design with a pair of NE602 chips (similar to FIgure 3 in
http://www.g4jnt.com/IQConverters.htm   but it needed too much phase
and amplitude adjustment to get the unwanted isolation to an
acceptable -40 to -50dBc, so not really suitable for publishing.   Now
going to try one based around FST3126 bus switches - near enough a
Softrock in reverse.

For transmitting on the band I do already have a suitable upconverter,
Fig 1  in the above reference, but that is over complicated for a
plug-and-play construction project and uses obsolete chips.

For soundcard data modes, with an audio bandwidth of no more than a
few hundred Hz, a simple CR  I/Q network  will generate the quadrature
drive to the image reject converter.  For wider B/W, a more complex
polyphse or allpass network is needed.

Of course, if only the datamode software authors could only be
persuaded to modify their code for I/Q stereo outputs, it would make
linear upconverters direct to RF a whole lot easier!   Come on
writers, its only a few lines more code!

So,  nearly there with linear Tx, and an NoV that permits any mode
within constraints of "reasonable bandwidth"

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/16 brian hodgson <g3ykb@yahoo.co.uk>:
> Hi Graham -
>
> Make that 4! I've modified my TS850 to generate SSB at 500 kHz and use a
> homebrew linear PA to produce 30 watts peak RF.
>
> Have been off air for a while during a shack rebuild and broken aerial but
> am back in business.
>
> Brian - G3YKB
>
> --- On Thu, 15/1/09, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> G0NBD           Refurbished Military and Marine
>
> M0BMU         His own design Linear  class E system
>
> G4WGT          Classic linear HF/MF  home made transverter
>
>
>


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Hello LF'ers,
Tell please to the silly colleague why I cannot decode WSPR? :)
Has made a screenshot: signal DF6NM is well visible, frequency
of the receiver below frequency of a signal on 1500 hz -
- decoding is not present.
Time is calibrated to a thousand fraction of a second...
http://www.rn3agc.msk.ru/wspr.jpg
Thanks!

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


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Hello LF,

thanks very much for the nice comments - you can guess I feel a little exhilarated now.

But (like with all weak signals) it's the receiver who has to do most of the work. So many thanks again to Laurence, who managed to 
pull all our tiny little signals out of the Chinese noise background. Just like he did in Alaska, back in January 2004.

I guess, for me it was also a matter of lucky circumstances. I had a few days off work, and the weather had been dry and cold, so I 
could leave my fragile antenna in place. The partial discharge problems still present in the afternoon miraculously went away for 
the evening. With 220 W of RF, tonight's ERP was almost 0.8 W, which I had hardly reached before. The opening from here to BY lasted 
for about 1.5 hours, with the best half hour around 21:00 just barely sufficient to get a few consecutive dashes across.

Tomorrow at work I'll be in for some funny looks: Hey, and what did you do since christmas? Well I spent a few nights to send four 
bits to China...

Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM


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Hi Andrey , Markus ,
Super your signal on the BY grabber !
Congratulations Markus !
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

Andrey rn3agc a écrit :

Hello Markus,
Accept my congratulations!!!

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV






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Markus,

finally decoded:

204200   2 -28  1.1    13  0                            <-- possibly a 
trace of M0BMU
204400   7 -19  1.3    84  0  DF6NM JN59 23
204800   2 -28  1.0    13  0                                <-- 
possibly a trace of M0BMU


73 - Marco IK1ODO

JN35sa - Perseus SDR RX + long wire



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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:31:05 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> John LF,
> 
> WOW !
> 
> Just testing home built 500KHz transverter, about 5 watts output.

Gary, LF,

Glad to be able to give a report!

Jim's PSK31 is very strong (comparatively) giving 100% print.

Your WSPR is varying, and not every period is decoding, but still a
great job with so little power.

I'll leave it running on 502 for an hour or so while I sort the Sunday
dinner. Spots are being uploaded to WSPRNET

Cheers,

John



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IO93GX to IP99GG 700km - looks like a  km/mi unit error :-)

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


2009/1/30 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>

> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:51:00 -0000
> "Lee Hudson" <hudsonville@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi LF Group,
> >
> > Just been looking at the Database of tonights activity, and I'm
> > reported at 700miles from GM4SLV
>
> Not sure what the problem is?
>
> Where are you Lee, in geographical terms?
>
> Shetland is a LONG way from England - it's a long way from Scotland,
> truth be told!
>
>
> ps
>
> I've started a grabber showing 503.5 - 504.1
>
> and also
>
> I notice strong traces on the WSPR waterfall at 503.900 from I believe
> M0BMU, but very few decodes? I don't usually have a problem with Jim's
> signal....
>
> John
>
>
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<div>IO93GX to IP99GG 700km - looks like a&nbsp;&nbsp;km/mi unit error :-)</=
div>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com">=
www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/1/30 John P-G <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
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gt;</span><br>
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x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div class=3D"Ih2E3d">On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:51:00 -0000<br>&quot;Lee Hudson=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hudsonville@btinternet.com">hudsonville@btinter=
net.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>&gt; Hi LF Group,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Just been lo=
oking at the Database of tonights activity, and I&#39;m<br>
&gt; reported at 700miles from GM4SLV<br><br></div>Not sure what the problem=
 is?<br><br>Where are you Lee, in geographical terms?<br><br>Shetland is a L=
ONG way from England - it&#39;s a long way from Scotland,<br>truth be told!<=
br>
<br><br>ps<br><br>I&#39;ve started a grabber showing 503.5 - 504.1<br><br>an=
d also<br><br>I notice strong traces on the WSPR waterfall at 503.900 from I=
 believe<br>M0BMU, but very few decodes? I don&#39;t usually have a problem=20=
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signal....<br><font color=3D"#888888"><br>John<br><br><br></font></blockquot=
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First decode with errors.


 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  
 C> CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  
 CQ hQ CQ nE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk

23:27

Lee.


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Ok Thanks lee

Ive reduced to  10 watts peak o/p

G ..

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Subject: LF: RE: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq

>
> Hi Graham,
>
> Receiving your CQ in IO93gx despite some strong QRM.
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Just downloaded fldigi to see if it worked,
> So far 100% copy on each transmission since 22:20z.
>
> 73,
> Lee Hudson
> M0LMH.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
> Sent: 02 January 2009 20:28
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> Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>
> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>
> I have just downloaded MultiPSK, and am quite impressed to be getting
> nearly
>
> 100% copy, in spite of your signal being only just audible, and having 
> G3KEV's very strong CQ calls just on the edge of your bandwidth. 
> Should be ready to try for a QSO in a short while, if you like.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
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>
>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>> centre frequency  503 khz
>> tx mode usb
>> power 30 watts tune signal
>> Will send for next few hours
>> Reports welcome
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>>
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Jim

If you want a laugh ,re stability - check out the posting of the spectrum 
plot on 4 mtrs when I was testing with Gary .. transverters are  'not' quite 
as stable as you would like .. but the wspr system kept on decoding !

The 504 carrier is 20 db over the noise floor at the moment at my qth ... 
splatter may be a problem, but as to its effect on wspr decode I don't know 
, close in cw seems to do  the most damage ,

Gary is showing  on wspr  -1 db Andy at -20 and yourself at -12 db at the 
moment ,  Gary is about 30  miles from my qth
speclab shows Gary at 30 db over the noise floor

G ..

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From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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Subject: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5

>
> Dear LF Group,
>
> M0BMU is now transmitting WSPR again - also currently logging G4JNT and
> G4WGT
>
> Re: the question of a WSPR centre frequency, 503.9kHz +/-100Hz would seem
> sensible - it should be possible to allow a guard band of say 10 or 20Hz 
> to
> the band edge within that bandwidth. There would not be much point in 
> trying
> to transmit a WSPR signal if your TX could not maintain that kind of
> accuracy. With that range, the maximum contiguous spectrum would be
> available for other things in  the amateur band. The only problem would be
> for locations where there is a lot of noise around 504kHz - I believe 
> Finbar
> has this problem with harmonics of 252kHz, but I don't know how widespread 
> a
> problem that is. If it is a problem, 501.1kHz +/-100Hz would be more
> suitable...
>
> Re: ERP vs TX power. There seems to be an assumption for the HF users of
> WSPR that you should specify the TX power. I think this is partly because
> many people are unfamiliar with the concept of ERP. Some others have the
> idea that you could deduce information on antenna performance by looking 
> at
> the TX power of the transmitting stations and SNR, distances and 
> directions
> reported by receiving stations. I don't think that is feasible; to do so 
> you
> would also need to have fairly accuate knowledge of the directional 
> pattern
> of the transmitting antenna, the path loss (including the effects of 
> ground
> loss, fading, ionospheric conditions at that particular time), the
> directional pattern of the receiving antenna, and the band noise level at
> the receiving antenna at that particular time. These variables would be
> different for every receiving station, and also vary a lot over time.  As
> others have said, an intelligent estimate of ERP will usually be within a
> few dBs, which implies the antenna performance will be usually already be
> known with much better accuracy than all these other variables. So I think
> it would be a much better idea to specify ERP, and use WSPR reports as a
> tool to analyse propagation, rather than try to do it the other way round.
>
> As Graham says, on HF the ERP will be within not-many-dBs of the TX power
> anyway, unless the antenna is very big or very small. At LF/MF there are
> wide variations. G4WGT running 5W is quite QRP with his home antenna, but
> would probably be well over the 1W ERP limit if he were using G3KEV's
> antenna. So really you have to state ERP in order to give a realistic
> measure of how strong the signal is at source.
>
> In answer to:
>>>>>Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW ERP from 
>>>>>a
>>>>>large one.
>
> Of course it will! ERP is a measure of how much field strength is produced
> at a given distance, so if both stations have the same ERP, the signals 
> will
> go equally far - that is the point of ERP, it is a measure of the actual
> radiated signal, after losses and so forth are accounted for. If the small
> antenna is producing 2mW ERP, it implies that more TX power is being used 
> to
> get that figure than is required by the presumably more efficient big
> antenna.  Not many people believe it though! I actually did the experiment
> back in 2000 on 136kHz, setting up a small inverted L next to the 100m 
> high
> Decca Navigator mast at Puckeridge, and adjusting the power levels until 
> the
> radiated signal levels were roughly similar (about 1W TX for the 100m 
> mast,
> 350W for the inv L as I recall...). The signal reports I got indicated the
> same relative levels from the two antennas, at distances between about 2km
> and 1000km.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:45 PM
> Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
>
>> Graham, LF,
>>
>> I do agree that ERP is more meaningful & as Mal & Andy stated it is the
>> criteria with which the licence is approved.
>>
>> My comment was to follow the WSPR recommended method as adopting ERP 
>> would
>> mean there are two "standards".
>>
>> I ERP is adopted for LF then it should be international & not just UK, so
>> an
>> official announcement by the main WSPR group would be required.
>> Comments please.
>>
>> Gary - G4WGT.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
>> Sent: 25 January 2009 20:29
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>
>> Gary,
>>
>> I don't think a guard band is really needed as if you set the centre
>> carrier
>>
>> frequency to  503.9 , then operating at the extreme edges is not really
>> possible, you're  right on the edge of the waterfall. the deviation is
>> only
>> round  6 hz
>>
>> Re power .. I would say, the erp  is the most meaningful,  actual  power
>> supplied to the antenna without the performance data of the array doesn't
>> really mean too much ?
>>
>> G ..
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:11 PM
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top 
>>> part
>>> of
>>> the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a
>>> 200Hz
>>> slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
>>> 503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.
>>>
>>> My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 
>>> 503.550KHz
>>> data.
>>>
>>> Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Gary - G4WGT
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
>>> Sent: 25 January 2009 18:32
>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could 
>>> move
>>> to
>>>
>>> the band edge without problems
>>> clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down
>>>
>>> With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a
>>> reasonable
>>> concept as it will allow other 'casual'
>>> monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post
>>> needed
>>> to  announce a test !
>>>
>>> What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or
>>> just
>>> sleeping ?
>>>
>>> G ..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:04 PM
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
>>>> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>>>>
>>>> Oh no!
>>>>
>>>> Please let's not get into this again....
>>>>
>>>> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
>>>> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>>>>
>>>> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
>>>> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
>>>> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>>>>
>>>> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
>>>> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
>>>> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>>>>
>>>> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> GM4SLV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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Hello LF!
The station OE1KM/3 is transmitting in regular CW mode on 137.722kHz (near m=
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Mike,

Its being used as a prime driver on 'HF'  Gary can give you the details , bu=
t its a classic transverter set up=20

G ..=20


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Subject: LF: Re: First Linear data qso G4WGT / G0NBD


Who has the mods to make a TS-440 run on 600 meters? I have owned one of tho=
se rigs for many years and would like to use it on 600 meters if I can.

Thanks,
Mike
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Who has the mods to make a TS-440 run on 600 meters? I have o=
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> *F4DTL Nicolas*

Shouldn't they be marked as such by the program ? I have seen in the past some rows
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Hi John,

Enclosed is the data from Maplin on these cores. Hope this is ok, not been
able to find any more data.

regards,
Paul Reeves    G8GJA






 Technical Specification
     
Order   Part    Max Max Min Attenuation (?)
Code:   number: diameter (mm):  length (mm):    hole dia (mm):  25 MHz:
100MHz:
N88CU   HEM3025 4.2 5.3 1.85    28  51
N97AB   HEM3020 5.2 18.4    2   128 147
N98AB   HEM3021 6.2 18.4    3   100 155
N48FK   HEM3024 16.28   14.67   7.57    74  117
N92AB   HEM3015 14.6    29.1    6.05    164 255
N91AB   HEM3014 16.05   29.17   6.69    164 258
N87AB   HEM3010 31.8    22.75   18.5    88  146
N90AB   HEM3013 28.96   29.33   13.37   158 250
N88AB   HEM3011 25.6    13.4    15.5    53  97
QT26D   HEM3016 36.8    7.3 24.4    23  63 

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Subject: LF: Ferrite toroid cores using HEM series materials


Maplin have been selling these but their paper catalogue does not seem to
give detailed characteristics and doing an online search of their catalogue
is not practicable as I am typically getting 14.4kb/s on dialup*, which
means it takes a minute or more to repaint the page.  

I tried e-mailing them but have not had a reply.  

aL is easy to estimate with a few turns and an inductance meter, but I would
like to know more about these materials.  Can anyone help, please? 

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LF/MF
I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using two loops=
. Loop A is 40 metres perimeter vertical orientation, Loop B is 190 metres p=
erimeter also vertical.  Both loops optimum E/W.
I am using two receivers in this experiment Ant A to Siemens D2155 level met=
er, BW 20 Hz and vy stable, Ant B to Datong up converter and IC746 250 Hz BW=
. Both audio outputs to soundcard/ARGO display allowing 50 hz separation for=
 observation.
Observing DI2AM at present and having calibrared this signal on both RX outp=
uts at a point in time, both signals are fairly constant but more variations=
 have been observed on Ant A - 40m loop, the signal surges in strength and t=
hen fades down, whereas Ant B has a more constant output with less fade.
More time is needed for a proper assessment and DI2AM is also a strong signa=
l. I would need a few long haul signals for a proper test like Russian or US=
A .
Interested in MF signals at present.
This method would also work with a couple of small loops or a loop and probe=
 type antenna, then at a glance one would know how each was performing, of c=
ourse with the loop in the optimum direction for target signal.

This is just a simple setup, it works well and no audio cross mod noticed, n=
ice clean signals on display in spite of the fact that the separation is onl=
y 50hz.
A nice balanced mixer would be a more sophisticated approach, that might com=
e later.

73 mal/g3kev

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am experimenting at present with antenna=20=
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diversity) using two loops. Loop A is&nbsp;40 metres perimeter vertical=20
orientation, Loop B is&nbsp;190 metres perimeter also vertical.&nbsp; Both l=
oops=20
optimum E/W.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am using two receivers in this experiment=
 Ant A=20
to Siemens D2155 level meter, BW 20 Hz and vy stable, Ant B to Datong&nbsp;u=
p=20
converter and IC746 250 Hz BW. Both audio outputs to soundcard/ARGO display=20
allowing 50 hz separation for observation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Observing DI2AM at present and having calib=
rared=20
this signal on both&nbsp;RX outputs at a point in time, both signals are fai=
rly=20
constant but more variations have been observed on Ant A - 40m loop, the sig=
nal=20
surges in strength and then fades down, whereas Ant B has a more constant ou=
tput=20
with less fade.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>More time is needed for a proper assessment=
 and=20
DI2AM is also a strong signal. I would need a few long haul signals for a pr=
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test like Russian or USA .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Interested in MF signals&nbsp;at=20
present.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This method would also work with a couple o=
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was performing, of course with the loop in the optimum direction for target=20
signal.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is just a simple setup, it works well=20=
and no=20
audio cross mod noticed, nice clean signals on display in spite of the fact=20=
that=20
the separation is only 50hz.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A nice balanced mixer would be a more sophi=
sticated=20
approach, that might come later.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not already
> taken place on MF.

There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover". Wouldn't it be
wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
What an amazing gift.

VE7SL / Steve


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eBay # 400022294251

That would make a nice 600m amp?

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Dear Uwe, LF Group,

Still nil since 2124utc - if this is due to QSB, it is very long duration!

Looking at the decodes so far (see below), they are mostly quite close to 
the lower limit of WSPR at around -33dB SNR. So if the SNR has deteriorated 
a few dB, that could be why no more copy has occured. On the spectrogram, 
the band noise level appears to be similar to what it was earlier, although 
the sidebands from Lakihegy have increased by several dB.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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2108 -33  1.1   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2112 -33  1.0   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2116 -29  0.9   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2120 -33  0.9   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2124 -33  1.1   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2130 -18  3.9   0.135888  1 DBX/TI4TJS S5
2154 -17  3.3   0.135887 -1 848VOU <...> R S1
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Hello John,
Your decode is correct, but please note the transmission came from
DJ8WX.=20
He was so kind to send for me a test transmission.=20

Thanks
Regards, vy73

Marco
DD7PC

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Subject: LF: DD7PC WSPR 137.500

Hello LF,

I'm decoding WSPR from DD7PC on 137.5 (dial freq 136.0) but the decodes
are not correctly formed, for beacon transmissions:

2008  -26  0.2  0.137501  0  DD7PC   DJ


No locator 4 figures and no power (dBm)

These spots aren't being uploaded to WSPRnet, or at least they aren't
appearing there...

I anyone else seeing this signal? The callsign is familiar, but the
format of the messages isn't!=20

Is this "QSO mode?" He seems to be sending evey alternate 2-minute
period, whereas WSPR in beacon mode is more random, and not as frequent.

Cheers

John
GM4SLV


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Hey everyone;

I'm warming up all the gear to see if I can copy ED, RU6LA tonite
on 2200 meters. Does anyone know what his possible ERP will be in
this direction ??

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN.
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 184.322 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35* 43' 54" - W:  84* 3' 16"
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Hello Victor , Dex ,
Yes , good copy of XKO last night !
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

victor13@online.nl a =E9crit :
> Hello Joe your signal was still visable at 8:00z.
> Captured 2:30z
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> 73
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I've been somewhat erratically lowering Tx power level during the evening,
and have now reached 0dBm ERP (ish).  The power setting within the Tx
message has been adjusted at each change, apart from three transmissions at
14dBm when it was still reporting 17dBm as the WSPR software wouldn't accept
a setting that wasn't already in its table.

The figures won't go below 0dBm  so they will no longer be a true
representation of tx power.   WSPRnet is still reporting several listeners
copying my sigs, now at -28dB S/N,  so will continue decreasing power a bit
longer.

The current 0dBm ERP is generated from 250mW being delivered to the
antenna.   I've just constructed a 100mW PA, so tomorrow will try that that
for some real QRP instead of the 200 Watt job backed off.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com

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<div>I&#39;ve been somewhat erratically lowering Tx power level during the e=
vening, and have now reached 0dBm ERP (ish).&nbsp; The power setting within=20=
the Tx message has been adjusted at each change, apart from three transmissi=
ons at 14dBm when it was still reporting 17dBm as the WSPR software wouldn&#=
39;t accept a setting that wasn&#39;t already in its table.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The figures won&#39;t&nbsp;go&nbsp;below 0dBm &nbsp;so they will no lon=
ger be a true representation of tx power.&nbsp;&nbsp; WSPRnet is still repor=
ting several listeners copying my sigs, now at -28dB S/N,&nbsp; so will cont=
inue decreasing power a bit longer.&nbsp; </div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The current 0dBm ERP is generated&nbsp;from 250mW being delivered to th=
e antenna.&nbsp;&nbsp; I&#39;ve just constructed a 100mW PA, so tomorrow wil=
l&nbsp;try that&nbsp;that for some real QRP instead of the 200 Watt job back=
ed off.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com">=
www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br><br></div>

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Hello, Uwe, LF,

Nothing here....so far.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Hello Uwe , Jame , LF

Nothing also

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj  JN06ht

James Moritz a écrit :
> Dear Uwe, LF Group,
>
> Nil copy since 2124utc - nothing visible on the spectrogram either.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
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>



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Dear Andy, LF Group,

Well, the plugs and sockets are physically the same...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Come on then - explain :-)
> Never even heard of GR-874
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/1/26 Mark <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk>:
>> GR-874 I haven't seen any of those for a while, but I can see how any
>> description of them may be misinterpreted
>


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Hi Mal,

I needed a "chunky" rectifier a few years ago and managed to find
just what I needed at the local welding supply shop.  Most of the
wire-feed (MIG) type welders have a monolithic high current,
low voltage rectifier brick.  Good for 100 amps or so with a
voltage rating of 50 or more.  The price wasn't bad either.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

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Come on Jim, learn the Murray code. I suppose DFCW is somewhat similar, a 
useful mode infact.

73 mal/g3kev

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> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
> Mmmm... There is something called DFCW where high and low tones correspond
> to dashes and dots of Morse. That way you don't need to learn another 
> code -
> it is also quicker because Morse characters have less than 7 1/2 symbols.
> Just imagine trying to work out all that figure shift/letter shift stuff
> when you have lost half the signal in the QRM!
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> --- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
>
> ....This would possibly be a good system to use if slowed down similar to
> QRS morse, with all the benefits.
> You do not need a teleprinter or any sort of print display, just read it
> directly off the waterfall display, 1 ele start, 5 elements info, and 1 
> and
> 1/2 elements stop. (total 7-1/2 elements per character) easy to ID and 
> read.
> 73 mal/g3kev
>
>
>


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Dear Jim,
I did see your notice conc dj8wx at the WSPRnet site.
thanks.
73
UweIdj8wx

Zitat von James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:

> Dear Uwe,
>
> Am in the process of modifying my 136kHz TX to take drive from my 
> transverter - should be ready in the next few days.
>
> BTW, have been getting one decode every 4 minutes consistently here. 
> I have been trying to upload them to the WSPRnet database, but I 
> think they have to be in the  Callsign/Locator/power beacon format 
> for this to work.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>





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On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:09:36 -0000
"Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Markus ,
> 
> 137-570  is the right carrier frequency ??
> 
> G ..
>

That's what it looks like here also

John


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Dear John, LF Group,

The WSPR beacon is now running on 137.50kHz (RF out), 136.0kHz "dial 
frequency", 33% TX. Any reports would be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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OK Mal,

 

Understood, sorry but I have never run a LF grabber, just the two 500KHz
sections for UK & US.

 

And now I am not uploading due to my local tests which will spoil the
grabber displays.

 

Dave's at Birmingham seems to be running but that is quite local.

 

73

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

 

 

  _____  

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Subject: LF: Re: RE: LOW ACTY LF/MF

 

Gary

I am worried because I cannot see your 137 khz grabber. I worked F6BWO
earlier today on LF cw so I know all is well, but there is not a LF grabber
in sight at present, even the Russians are QRT.

LF/MF is looking grim at present.

Mal/g3kev

 

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From: Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>  

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 

Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:10 PM

Subject: LF: RE: LOW ACTY LF/MF

 

Mal,

 

You had me worried there! I thought my grabbers were not operating but I
just checked & yes they are running OK at :-

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html

 

and

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html

 

Cheers,

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 


  _____  


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Subject: LF: LOW ACTY LF/MF

 

Acty vy low at present on LF/MF considering we are in the middle of Winter
and the DX season.

Even the GRABBERS have gone QRT !!!!

de mal/g3kev

 


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ys.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=3D2 face=3DA=
rial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Fro=
m:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk" title=3D"g4wg=
t@tiscali.co.uk">Gary - G4WGT</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=
=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font si=
ze=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Satu=
rday, January
24, 2009 7:10 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font=
 size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> L=
F: RE: LOW ACTY
LF/MF<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Mal,<o:p=
></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>You had
me worried there! I thought my grabbers were not operating but I just checke=
d
&amp; yes they are running OK at :-<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><a href=
=3D"http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html">http://myweb.tiscali.=
co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>and<o:p>=
</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><a href=
=3D"http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html">http://myweb.tiscali.=
co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Cheers,<=
o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Gary
&#8211; G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
t></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
<a href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl=
acksheep.org</a>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>mal <st1:place w=
:st=3D"on"><st1:City  w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:City></st1:place><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 24 January 2009 17:50<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: LOW ACTY LF/MF</=
span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Acty vy low at present on LF/MF considering we are=20=
in the
middle of Winter and the DX season.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Even the GRABBERS have gone QRT !!!!</span></font><=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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This is what has been copied so far, starting at about 22:00 UTC

2232 -27  2.1   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
2244 -27  2.1   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
2252 -19  2.1   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
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2310 -16  2.3   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
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2328 -25  1.3   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2330 -15  2.3   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
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2352 -18  2.4   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23

Rx : Perseus    Ant : Roelof mini-whip    Winrad -> VAC -> WSPR

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 Hi All,
I think Mal was very nearly there with a solution to thse problems(?) in sug=
gesting operation after midnight (or similar). There might be merit in accep=
ting that all of the experimental modes AND the established modes are valid=20=
for the purposes of "experimentation". Acceptance of this together with a vo=
luntary "bandplan" that was as much TIME based as mode/frequency based could=
 be a sensible way forward. "TIME" slots could rotate to allow people to "ex=
periment" at different periods of the 24 hour cycle with certain periods set=
 aside as "free-for-all". One would, therefore, also be allowing for experim=
entation under current conditions for those wishing to determine the QRM-bus=
ting (or otherwise) qualities of the various modes. A "Battle-Royal" is not=20=
the most adult way to start off a new year and neither is it a scientific me=
thod that would impress Ofcom or any other body of professionals.

My "threepennerth" for what it's worth (hopefully more than 3 pence worth de=
spite our blighted currency hi hi)

73 de Pat G4GVW


=20


=20

-----Original Message-----
From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:44
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240














Here Here Mal


=C2=A0


I wonder how many of these "Hi Tech" mode stations live within line of sight=
=C2=A0of another station then I think this BW hungry spread spectrum stuff w=
ould be a nightmare to that local station? Especially running as an inane be=
acon which undoubtedly will f
ollow.


=C2=A0


I have two 600m stations with in 8miles line of sight and another 13miles ov=
er open country from me their CW is phenominally strong, a signal like Olivi=
a 8/250 would obliorate the band for me. And for what?


I asked for Morse on/off keying and very narrow FSK in my NoV application. D=
id I miss something, like asking to use DSB? Its a 3 kc/s alloction for CS!


=C2=A0


Mal you've got my vote and probably the Vote of the silent majority on the B=
and.


=C2=A0


End of RANT!!


=C2=A0


73es HNY to all LF petefmt

--- On Sun, 4/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:



From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sunday, 4 January, 2009, 10:10 AM







No change Gary, in fact I sent an amateur 2 valve bases a while back to get=20=
him going on 137 khz.


If you read my emails carefully all=C2=A0 that I am saying is that to date a=
ll modes considered there has has been no improvement over normal CW or QRS=20=
and very economical with bandwidth and signal transfer between stations.


=C2=A0


I have no objection to any mode being used as long as it does not swamp the=20=
band to the detriment of other band users. This past couple of nights one th=
ird of the available band of 3 khz has been occupied by olivia plus other da=
ta modes. ie 3 transmissions running parallel, this I do object to especiall=
y when I was having a QSO with G3XIZ and almost swamped o
ut, however I do have good selectivity and did manage but I think XIZ and hi=
s experimental DC receiver was having a hard time. A data transmission or an=
y other mode using around 200 hz bandwidth would be acceptable most of the t=
ime.


To be reasonable I have one suggestion. If someone is compelled to use a 1 k=
hz wide mode then do it after say midnight for a few hours.=20


This reflecter has a big audicence and I get a considerable amounnt of priva=
te emails agreeing with observations that I am making, I also get a few that=
 disagree.


=C2=A0


As regards helping others this is going on all the time, and I frequently re=
ply to requests for advice with all=C2=A0 aspects of LF and MF=C2=A0projects=
.


I also get help, recently as a=C2=A0 result of a discussion about preamps tw=
o other amateurs reading the=C2=A0mail sent=C2=A0me the required chips at no=
 cost and likewise I do the same thing.


=C2=A0


Most radio amateurs on here do discuss or argue their=C2=A0point in a civili=
sed manner but=C2=A0you must have noticed how HOSTILE or ABUSIVE some get wh=
en their opinin=C2=A0differs from others. They lose ther plot go off at a ta=
ngent and start=C2=A0 attacking the individual putting forward a point of vi=
ew.


=C2=A0


I am not against black boxes for certain applications=C2=A0and have used the=
m in the past ie PK232 and KAM., computer systems sound cards with the appro=
priate software. I have a NOV for BBS operations GB7KEV and shifted the east=
 coast main line mail for several years int
o Scotland and beyond using a V/UHF node network and gateway also on HF for=20=
worldwide mail exchanges. Main modes PACKET on V/UHF and Amtor/pactor on HF.


This business has almost gone now with the advent of Internet access for mai=
l and traffic exchanges. The black box=C2=A0is ideal for the mass transfer o=
f messages which would be a chore on CW.


I hope you now understand my point of view.


73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV


=C2=A0


=C2=A0




----- Original Message -----=20


From: Gary - G4WGT=20


To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20


Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:03 PM


Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240








Mal,



=C2=A0




I admit, not nearly as many as you.


=C2=A0


But why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don=E2=80=
=99t do it your way it isn=E2=80=99t correct.


=C2=A0


I would be much nicer to advise & help others, don=E2=80=99t you think?


=C2=A0


I remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me & it was good advice,=
 I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?


=C2=A0


Gary =E2=80=93 G4WGT.


=C2=A0











From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner- rsgb_lf_group@black=
sheep.org ] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:48
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: QRS 240



=C2=A0




29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your score.





g3kev





=C2=A0







----- Original=3D2
0Message -----=20





From: Gary - G4WGT=20





To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20





Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM





Subject: LF: RE: QRS 240





=C2=A0



LF,


=C2=A0


Oh my god, he=E2=80=99s doing it on 136KHz now !!!


=C2=A0


Gary - G4WGT.


=C2=A0











From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org ] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:22
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: QRS 240



=C2=A0




Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot !!!.Thi=
nk how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB on rhe c=
arrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1





g3kev





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<div> <font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hi All,<br>
I think Mal was very nearly there with a solution to thse problems(?) in sug=
gesting operation after midnight (or similar). There might be merit in accep=
ting that all of the experimental modes AND the established modes are valid=20=
for the purposes of "experimentation". Acceptance of this together with a vo=
luntary "bandplan" that was as much TIME based as mode/frequency based could=
 be a sensible way forward. "TIME" slots could rotate to allow people to "ex=
periment" at different periods of the 24 hour cycle with certain periods set=
 aside as "free-for-all". One would, therefore, also be allowing for experim=
entation under current conditions for those wishing to determine the QRM-bus=
ting (or otherwise) qualities of the various modes. A "Battle-Royal" is not=20=
the most adult way to start off a new year and neither is it a scientific me=
thod that would impress Ofcom or any other body of professionals.<br>
<br>
My "threepennerth" for what it's worth (hopefully more than 3 pence worth de=
spite our blighted currency hi hi)<br>
<br>
73 de Pat G4GVW<br>
</font></div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: M0FMT &lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt;<br>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
Sent: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:44<br>
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240<br>
<br>






<div id=3D"AOLMsgPart_2_c51bef3d-d7b5-4951-bd7f-a95bb192dfad">

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<div>Here Here Mal</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>I wonder how many of these "Hi Tech" mode stations live within line of=20=
sight&nbsp;of another station then I think this BW hungry spread spectrum st=
uff would be a nightmare to that local station? Especially running as an ina=
ne beacon which undoubtedly will follow.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>I have two 600m stations with in 8miles line of sight and another 13mil=
es over open country from me their CW is phenominally strong, a signal like=20=
Olivia 8/250 would obliorate the band for me. And for what?</div>


<div>I asked for Morse on/off keying and very narrow FSK in my NoV applicati=
on. Did I miss something, like asking to use DSB? Its a 3 kc/s alloction for=
 CS!</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Mal you've got my vote and probably the Vote of the silent majority on=20=
the Band.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>End of RANT!!</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>73es HNY to all LF petefmt<br>
<br>
--- On <b>Sun, 4/1/09, mal hamilton <i>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talkta=
lk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</a>&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br>
</div>

<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left:=20=
5px; margin-left: 5px;">From: mal hamilton &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@ta=
lktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org</a><br>
Date: Sunday, 4 January, 2009, 10:10 AM<br>

<br>


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<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">No change Gary, in fact I sent an amate=
ur 2 valve bases a while back to get him going on 137 khz.</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">If you read my ema
ils carefully all&nbsp; that I am saying is that to date all modes considere=
d there has has been no improvement over normal CW or QRS and very economica=
l with bandwidth and signal transfer between stations.</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I have no objection to any mode being u=
sed as long as it does not swamp the band to the detriment of other band use=
rs. This past couple of nights one third of the available band of 3 khz has=20=
been occupied by olivia plus other data modes. ie 3 transmissions running pa=
rallel, this I do object to especially when I was having a QSO with G3XIZ an=
d almost swamped out, however I do have good selectivity and did manage but=20=
I think XIZ and his experimental DC receiver was having a hard time. A data=20=
transmission or any other mode using around 200 hz bandwidth would be accept=
able most of the time.</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">To be reasonable I have one suggestion.=
 If someone is compelled to use a 1 khz wide mode then do it after say midni=
ght for a few hours. </font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">This reflecter has a big audicence and=20=
I get a considerable amounnt of private emails agreeing with observations th=
at I am making, I also get a few that disagree.</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">As regards helping others this is going=
 on all the time, and I frequently reply to requests for advice with all&nbs=
p
; aspects of LF and MF&nbsp;projects.</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I also get help, recently as a&nbsp; re=
sult of a discussion about preamps two other amateurs reading the&nbsp;mail=20=
sent&nbsp;me the required chips at no cost and likewise I do the same thing.=
</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Most radio amateurs on here do discuss=20=
or argue their&nbsp;point in a civilised manner but&nbsp;you must have notic=
ed how HOSTILE or ABUSIVE some get when their opinin&nbsp;differs from other=
s. They lose ther plot go off at a tangent and start&nbsp; attacking the ind=
ividual putting forward a point of view.</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I am not against black boxes for certai=
n applications&nbsp;and have used them in the past ie PK232 and KAM., comput=
er systems sound cards with the appropriate software. I have a NOV for BBS o=
perations GB7KEV and shifted the east coast main line mail for several years=
 into Scotland and beyond using a V/UHF node network and gateway also on HF=20=
for worldwide mail exchanges. Main modes PACKET on V/UHF and Amtor/pactor on=
 HF.</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">This business has almost gone now with=20=
the advent of Internet access for mail and traffic exchanges. The black box&=
nbsp;is ideal for the mass transfer of messages which would be a chore on CW=
.</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I hope you now understand my point of v=
iew.</font>
</div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV</font></div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>

<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px=
; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">

<div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;=20=
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust:=
 none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">----- Original Message -=
---- </div>


<div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-=
background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-ba=
ckground-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal=
; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: n=
ormal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">=
<b>From:</b> <a title=3D"g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk" href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.c=
o.uk" rel=3D"nofollow">Gary - G4WGT</a> </div>


<div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;=20=
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust:=
 none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"r=
sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" re=
l=3D"nofollow">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> </div>


<div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;=20=
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust:=
 none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, J=
anuary 03, 2009 9:03 PM</div>


<div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;=20=
font-weight:   normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjus=
t: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Subject:</b> LF: RE=
: Re: RE: QRS 240</div>


<div><br>
</div>


<div class=3D"Section1">

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">Mal,</span></font></b></div>
</div>


<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></b></div>
</blockquote></div>


<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">I admit, not nearly as many as you.</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">But why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don=
=E2=80=99t do it your way it isn=E2=80=99t correct.</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">I would be much nicer to a
dvise &amp; help others, don=E2=80=99t you think?</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">I remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me &amp; it was=20=
good advice, I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?=
</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">Gary =E2=80=93 G4WGT.</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></b>
</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: center;" align=3D"center"><fon=
t size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" lang=
=3D"EN-US">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"100%" align=3D"center">
</span></font></div>


<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"=
font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang=3D"EN-US">Fro=
m:</span></font></b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang=3D"EN-US"> owner- <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb=
  _lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> [<a href=3D"mai=
lto:owner-?">mailto:owner-</a> <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or=
g">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> ] <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">=
On Behalf Of </span></b>mal hamilton<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> 03 January 2009 20:48=
<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> LF: Re: RE: QRS 24=
0</span></font><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></div>
</div>


<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;</span></font>
</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font=
-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What=
 is your score.</span></font></div>
</div>


<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font=
-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">g3kev</span></font></div>
</div>


<div>

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le=3D"font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;</span></font></div>
</div>

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 4pt;">

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-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">----- Original Message ----- </span></font=
></div>
</div>


<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat=
 sc  roll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin:=
 -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><b><font size=
=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; fon=
t-family: Arial;">From:</span></font></b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a title=3D"g4wgt@tiscali=
.co.uk" href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk" rel=3D"nofollow">Gary - G4WGT</a=
> </span></font></div>
</div>


<div>

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ont-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">To:</span></font></b=
><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family=
: Arial;"> <a title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_=
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amily: Arial;"> LF: RE: QRS 240</span></font></div>
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span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">Oh my god, he=E2=80=99s doing it on 136KHz now !!!</span></font></b>
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<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> rsgb<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> LF: QRS 240</span>=
</font><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></div>
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-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is=
 sending at qrs240 sec dot !!!.Think how long this would take for a QSO, sur=
prisingly there is no QSB on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could r=
ead it at qrs 1</span></font></div>
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I will be QRV on 137.5kHz in regular CW on Sunday morning, abt. 08.00 -
11.00 UTC<br>
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Heinz, OE5EEP<br>
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  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Will&nbsp; there be anyone active on
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  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Take advantage of the DX season.</font></div>
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Jim,

The thing to  check for is the number of sync locks it has , ...
gives a good idea of the path usability.

G ..

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From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:44 PM
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Subject: LF: Re: WSPR SNR

> Dear LF Group,
>
> Still watching G4WGT's WSPR signal here - it is interesting to see how it
> copes well with the QSB. Compare the last few decodes:
>
> 2006 -30  1.2   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
> 2014 -22  1.1   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
> 2018 -22  1.0   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
> 2024 -27  1.3   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
> 2030 -24  1.2   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
>
> with the WSPR spectrogram attached (it looks similar in Spectrum Lab), and
> you can see that although in a significant fraction of each transmission
> period the signal has faded to invisibility, decoding has still been
> successful.
>
> It is also interesting to see in the WSPRnet database that GM4SLV is
> reporting SNR that is consistently several dB better than here at M0BMU,
> although he is nearly 3 times as far from G4WGT.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>



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Mal,

Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


73s from Dave




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Jay
Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and agn 2=
214 utc
It looks ok so far.
mal
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <A =20=
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:05:03 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear John, LF Group,
> 
> The WSPR beacon is now running on 137.50kHz (RF out), 136.0kHz "dial 
> frequency", 33% TX. Any reports would be very welcome.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU 
> 
> 

Jim & LF,

Some finger touble with the pre-amp, but seems stable now.

Old laptop is a bit sluggish at decoding, but looking okay now at -13dB
s/n


Looks like I'm your 2nd best "miles per watt" on 136, at 978km

Cheers,

John


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I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.

So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co=
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> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>
>> OLIVIA :
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>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>
>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
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Paul-Henrik, Jim, LF,

I think I'm seeing a Loran line on 136.380, but no sign of any CW. Lots of
SMPSU QRM around that frequency, as well.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: LF: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ


Dear Paul - Henrik,

On the spectrogram I am seeing what could be very weak CW near to
136.400kHz, but there are several Loran lines close to this frequency, so it
is a bit hard to tell. The spectrum is a bit clearer near 136.350kHz - could
you QSY?

BTW, the lower end of the band is quite badly affected by the sidebands from
Lakihegy in mainland Europe, so you might consider a a higher frequency.

You could also try sending a series of "long dashes" for a few minutes, i.e.
key down for 10s, key up for 10s

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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LF, transmitting now. CW on 136.40kHz.



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From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
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----- Original Message Follows -----
> Noticed same thing here, Paul with e-antennas, so tried
> this and it serves  well from 17.2 kc. to 6 meters.
>
> TNX de Dave @ WD2XSH/17
>
> ref: www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP1107.jpg
>

Hi Dave, Lowfers,

If you wouldn't mind, can you give us a more detailed pix
and/or description of the coupling.  It looks like you've
got a series tuned circuit at the end of the feeders?
How is it coupled to the rig?  Thanks in advance.

73, J.B., VE3EAR


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Tnx Hans for that info. Will be looking out for a LA qso on CW.
73 de mal/g3kev

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gm all,
fwg just rd fm radio-officers@googlegroups.com

begins

According to a message in NRRL-HQ bulletin QST-LA0309, the Norwegian PTT 
supports the views of NRRL that the historic significance of 500 kHz should 
be kept alive through use of its primary mode Morse telegraphy, and has 
granted a preliminary permission for Norwegian radio amateurs to operate on 
a secondary basis in the frequency band 490 – 510 kHz using A1A only. The 
preliminary permission runs until the results from WRC2011 is known. 
Detailed regulations for operation in this narrow segment are under 
preparations by NRRL and the Norwegian PTT. The results from these are 
expected to be ready early spring 2009, and thus no operation will take 
place until they are announced.

 Hans Chr. Haaland

LA2EG


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lucky Norwegians
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Are you implying that the zone below 503.900 is not quiet ?
Is it worth me moving to a frequency above .900 ?

Andy  G4JNT
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2009/1/26 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
> Jim,
>
> That looks to  of gone quite well , Gary has just wired me , there are some
> new stations sending in spots to
> the wspr data base
>
> only thing on the 504 signal .. the  quite zone looks to  be  only 100 hz
> wide , from  503.9 to  504
> but I don't see any false decodes at the moment ( 2 hours running) so the
> splash is 'ok'
>
> G ..
>
> --------------------------------------------------
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>>
>> Dear Gary,
>>
>> Should be fine with me - I expect someone will still be broadcasting on
>> 252kHz tomorrow!
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
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Hey Jim, 

Yes ; J.B. is right, even though I'm 425 miles inland with
the Appalachian Mountain Range between us, I,m going to try
agn. I didn't mention in yesterdays post, but watching the
waterfall display, I did see an extremely faint trace very
close to the 1500 cycle mark, not solid, very broken, but
it was there. One of my disadvantages is noise in the house
from my daughters computer, her monitor generates noise
right in this range. One of these days, I suppose I'm going
to have to get around to trying a loop ! hi hi.

73, and will be monitoring tonite:

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN.
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 184.322 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35* 43' 54" - W:  84* 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr


--- On Thu, 1/8/09, J. B. Weazle McCreath <weazle@hurontel.on.ca> wrote:

> From: J. B. Weazle McCreath <weazle@hurontel.on.ca>
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 3:46 PM
> Hello Jim, LFers,
> 
> I've got my 1200 foot longwire aimed at you and will be
> listening
> and watching for any "whispers" coming across the
> pond.  I see
> that Andy tried last evening, so he'll likely be on
> tonite too.
> 
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
> Solar and wind powered
> Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
> EN93dr
> 
> http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


      


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Getting a wspr decode
203200 4 0 -0.7 4 0=20
but no callsign or locator
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Dear Andrey, LF Group,

That should not be a problem for the beacon software, which receives all 
WSPR signals within a +/- 100Hz band

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Hello Uwe,
> You may transmitting on frequency, multiple 10 hz?
> It is very interesting to me to receive your signal, but
> my receiver does not allow to be adjusted on the
> frequency which is coming to an end on 5.
>
> 73
> Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV
> 



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Dear John, LF Group,

Oops! I was too busy posting the new frequency details to WSPRnet to notice 
I hadn't actually changed frequency yet! But interesting to see that with 
the rig, and the "dial frequency" box in WSPR set to 502.4kHz, and TX 
frequency in WSPR set to 503.5kHz, the signal actually did come out on 
503.5kHz. So although WSPR only receives in an audio range of 1500+/-100Hz, 
it will actually transmit outside that range. Might be useful to know.

BTW, Gary - it would be interesting if you could transmit - the carrier(s) 
on 504kHz are quite strong here at the moment, it would be interesting to 
see if that affects weak signal WSPR reception.

BTW, Ko - think you need to update the frequency in WSPR too!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

> And it looks like Jim's stayed down on 502 - being reported by Mark and
> OH8HTG.
>
> That'll please the nay-sayers - WSPR spreading all over the band!



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Hi Wolf,
what abt the RegTP?
regards
Uwe/dj8wx

Zitat von Wolfgang B=FCscher <dl4yhf@freenet.de>:

> Hi John P-G,
>
> you wrote:
>> The grabber image, updated every 5 minutes, is here:
>>
>> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg
>>
>>
> Phew, what a beautiful clean "Loran curtain" ;-)
> Wish I had such a QRM-free place for reception somewhere around here !
>
> 73,
>  Wolf
> (still battling the local QRM.
> But the only chance seems to be flipping the ground fault circuit=20
> interrupters in the neighbouring houses... harr harr )
>
>
>




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Markus, LF

Thanks for the "snippet", looks much better than the one from yesterday. A Q=
SO
is possible now, I just have to swap some cables. I suppose the mode would b=
e
QRSS3 anyway and hence below real time performance in swapping TX turns is o=
f
less importance.

Last time I spoke with Reino was one and a half years ago and he said the 13=
6kHz
antenna hadn't been up for quite a while nor did he have any firm plans of
erecting it again in a near future. That is not to say he is QRT forever on
136kHz.


73's

Paul-Henrik


Quoting Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>:

> Paul Henrik,
>
> good QRSS-3 copy here in Nuernberg as well - here's a snippet (or sniplet?=
)
> around 16:10. We're looking forward to when you are
> ready for two-way QSO's ;-)
>
> You mentioned that Reino is no longer active on LF? Haven't heard or seen=20=
him
> for a long time...
>
> Kind regards
> Markus, DF6NM
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Daytime test: OH1LSQ on 136.80kHz
>
>
> Hello LF
>
> Will continue the transmission on 136.80kHz over the evening and night.
>
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
>
>
>
>
>




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I've just watched Jim and Grahams transmissions both in the same slot for
four periods. And all decoded OK.
At a rough guess Grahams transmission was 1500ms shorter in duration than
Jims.
Thus confirming Jims tedious findings.

This constitues a reasonable bit rate error.

I suppose over a longer period of receiving Grahams signal will tend to
produce more erroneous data and be rejected.
Pulling out the antenna early has limited this accululating error.

The converse is probably true on receive, just how long are stations really
receiving for.
And the net total of both transmission and reception timing errors between
two specific stations yeild this odd outcome where, some stations
combinations receive consistently fine, while others struggle.
Stations that clearly see multiple transmissions, yet fail to decode any are
probably suffering a receive frame timing error.

The questions maybe how much of a timing discrepancy is WSPR prepared to
tolerate.
And/or does it make any attempt to phase lock onto the data stream presented
(if so what's the pull in range).

Just some thoughts for the cooking pot.

73,
Lee M0LMH.




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Subject: Re: LF: WSPR - G0NBD


Dear Graham, LF Group,

Remembering what I said jokingly to RA3AGC a few days ago about visually=20
verifying a spectrogram trace of a WSPR signal, and the discussions of=20
merits of WSPR vs QRSS, I thought this ought to work for diagnosis=20
purposes - after all, WSPR is measuring the received frequency changes and=20
the times at which they change, and in principle the same info is displayed=20
by the spectrogram.

So I spent a "hugely exciting" couple of hours studying your signal with=20
Spectrum Lab, and comparing it with a locally generated signal from my PC=20
(which everyone seems to decode OK), configured with the same beacon message

you have been transmitting. Eventually, I realised that the difference was=20
that your transmissions are a few seconds shorter than the locally generated

signals - in the attachment, the locally generated signals have the dark,=20
noise free background. This means the transmitted sequence will be a couple=20
of symbols out of step by the end of each transmission - I expect that could

mess up the demodulation/decoding processes quite a lot. If you have a noisy

signal, the demodulator/decoder might be using effectively just the least=20
noisy fraction of the signal, with less timing error over a shorter part of=20
the sequence.

To test this theory, I waited until about 1 minute of your signal had=20
appeared on the spectrogram, then unplugged the antenna, so that the=20
remaining minute was white noise. The result was successful decodes! I tried

this 3 times, and it worked 3 times. So your signal does not have to be=20
noisy in order to decode, there has to be part of it missing in order to=20
decode!

So that might be why the signals don't decode - whether this is a problem=20
with the soundcard, motherboard, or software is probably a question for=20
K1JT! Still, a step in the right direction...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU=20

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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
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Thanks Andy,

Well the drive level is direct from multipsk  , but with 2 applications=20
running thats +6db up 3 .. may be +12 db over the norm .. might of been a=20
bit much for the   soundblaster awe64   (ISA version)

the local copy of the 2 modes has one looking stronger , but the R&S  meter=20
with in line head is showing the same for each and double for both .. so  i=20
think im linear

G ...

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From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:59 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -=20
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Yes, just about the same level of decoding, but MFSK certainly looks
> weaker on teh spectrogrram.
> Need to stop Rx and tunr off now, but will monitor this reflector
>
> Interesting stuff - half-tempted to apply for teh 500kHz NoV.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/3 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>> Andy,
>>
>> Are you looking at the same level of demodulation  for olivia and  mfsk ?
>>
>> If so  that's a useful outcome as I know some stations are in the process=
=20
>> of
>> making tx transverters, but don't have linear power amps.. in which case,
>> mfsk  may offer an  advantage over 2 tone rtt ?
>>
>> Tnx- G ..
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:21 PM
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>
>>>
>>> I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
>>> throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
>>> important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
>>> particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
>>> getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
>>> but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
>>> poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.
>>>
>>> So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
>>> over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
>>> fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
>>> much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
>>> QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>>>
>>>> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if=20
>>>> you
>>>> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
>>>> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot"
>>>> <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER=20
>>>> BEACON -
>>>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>>>>
>>>>> OLIVIA :
>>>>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>>>>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c=
<Uq
>>>>> 8
>>>>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>>>>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>>>>> gnbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>>>>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0=
nbd
>>>>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> MFSK8
>>>>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  =D9*BwkiroN9 -in=F0?Sd=DB4=BFhIa lr
>>>>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog  rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez;  uETqioB Vae   n Ct W
>>>>> amSdeMe=D4dYbV*=C5=AD  ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq =BCeeaw=
i i
>>>>> =C0thiei=9A=B8etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jt=9E;a=BA o=BAnJ=BAo
>>>>> a I=A4narLx=FDikc igq'<anel6
>>>>> rmmz e rke wxe=FBhC vo)o=B7dad=AA=8Begseey(v e vt sce\ wVsccon  t"tciu
>>>>> tt=A3h,iFtI=BCv lre=A6eek=FAn =80i z=E0=C2UP nve =BD=F9I t$   : nNe t=20=
 lro&"t l=D6
>>>>> e=B7=F7RenuIoqemfep ,=A4esss=ADfer tt=EA oequea8  =A4d=A7]xaV=B0N~u=
=C7 pAbd  g0nbd
>>>>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =ADiefo&
>>>>> kD kk e e0enm o=A7 HbecOgh=C9o  eno fsewtit,es m=CCx=AAoitn 'Xei eaer=
=FEii
>>>>> lscktleea it=A5 nd=B7WmoEi=ADxirwn mdW=E3=A6 7euc eg%oa loPttst   CQ C=
Q CQ
>>>>> DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk rBt=F28e=E6 t=B6=ADknmm)mL   io=
 4Eek a
>>>>> oiiqa  o zt eoun cKldd=F98 =B0o9aZnz=E5ee  1  =B9tlTtii0q=3Di ielsaa n=
u 0 mPn=FA=FFK
>>>>> =B3S=A2 iwX=E4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=E2pg H Jant0n9=A8j=B7eoet n
>>>>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=F4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>>>>> a=B1 rotet a=DC Foe2_vl=A7ms=ED t=CCk  t=3D l=C5 edCQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd=
  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =AB=F2ee
>>>>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>>>>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>
>



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Hi Lee, LF,

Good to see you transmitting on the band Lee. I looked back at my WSPR log &
despite you starting on the same frequency I was using there was no
conflict, thanks for the QSY.

Nice going for 10mW & if you were using separate Tx & Rx it would be
difficult to align the two devices.

I look forward to seeing/hearing you again.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hudson
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Subject: LF: RE: M0LMH in WSPR had to look twice !

Hi Jim, John, Graham, Gary, LF Group,

With one month remaining on the NoV (before renewal!!) I thought it time to
put the station on the air.
It's taken long enough to put it all together, from nothing!
My junk box doesn't normally contain much in the line of RF parts, HI.

So thought I have a try at WSPR and see who hears my mere 10mW first
transmission.

Well to be honest I'm most surprised with the reports from GM4SLV @
700miles.
Thanks for tuning down for a listen, John.

Apologies to Gary for transmitting on his frequency on the first
transmission.
I don't think we doubled as it turns out, since you gave me a report!!

I have an odd issue too with the sound card I use in that the TX/RX
frequencies are about 12Hz different,
But this is only when using the WSPR software.

Hence two corrections, first to line Jim up on RX then another to get my TX
frequency where I intended 503.930kHz.

Thanks go to those who have given words of advice from time to time over the
past 6 months.
And John Gould (RSGB HF Manager) for giving me some encouragement in the
first place to attempt the NoV application and also for giving it the once
over before it was officially posted.

73,
Lee M0LMH,
IO93gx



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Thought I had a false decode of Jim .. but it was real hi

090128 0010  18 -13  0.9   0.503930  M0LMH IO93 10           0     1    0
090128 0012  34   3  0.6   0.503900  M0BMU IO91 30           0     1    0
090128 0018  30  -2  0.5   0.503900  M0BMU IO91 30           0     1    0
090128 0018  19 -11  0.8   0.503931  M0LMH IO93 10           0     1    0

Something is very wrong with the lf set up  I did not decode Gary all night
and not all of Jims signals decoded  either

So using the ft897-d with the ads/usb sound card , every trace is decoding
so .. looks like the sound card is the problem as the rx and tx had similar
problems ..

wonderful ...

G .. 







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Yes, but Mal was copying by ear...  ;-)))

Aye, a lost talent to be sure...  Shodding the goat, that is...

Data vs. CW, shall I be to or from??

Dave @ WD2XSH/17  QSW 502400 hz.




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> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:42:50 -0000
> "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
> 
>> Getting a wspr decode
>> 203200 4 0 -0.7 4 0 
>> but no callsign or locator
>> g3kev
> 
> 
> 2032  12 -18  0.1   0.503967  G0NBD IO83 13 
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:22:33 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
> 
> The M0BMU WSPR beacon is now running on 503.5kHz again, hopefully
> continuing overnight. Any reports would be very welcome.


Hello Jim,

My first RX period just happened to coincided with one of your TX
periods:-

2246 +5dB

Good aural copy on loudspeaker too.

Cheers,

John


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Only traces here

73

Victor
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Not only has K1JT broken the noise barrier but he also has succeeded with 
antenna theory to the point where his signals captured are 31DB better off 
at a longer distance yet...

What could this mean??  Negative resistance loop antenna??

Mel,

Its time to put the side swiper on e-bay...


Dave@WD2XSH/17


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> Dear LF Group,
>
> Looking at the spots from "K1JT" on the reflector, I guess someone has not 
> updated the WSPR defaults before uploading to the database. Since G4WGT is 
> getting similar SNR reports to G4JNT with much lower ERP, I guess it must 
> be someone in the north... please check!
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73  de M0BMU
> 



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Hello Jim,

I am vy lucky to have success in decoding your WSPR-signals.

2142 -17  2.9   0.137441  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2148 -18  2.9   0.137441  0 M0BMU IO91 23

73  de Gerhard  //  DK6NI

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>
>> Dear LF Group,
>>
>> I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/-
>> (136.0kHz "dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any reports
>> would be very welcome.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>>
> 






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HI LF,

 

For the benefit of the UK WSPRer's I have set up a temporary grabber.

 

1 minute grabs & uploads, 2 minutes refresh.

 

I hope it is useful.

 

Of course you will have to put up with my Tx sessions clobbering the grabber
at times.

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html

 

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>HI LF,<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>For the benefit of the <st1:cou=
ntry-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-r=
egion> WSPRer&#8217;s
I have set up a temporary grabber.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>1 minute grabs &amp; uploads, 2=
 minutes
refresh.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>I hope it is useful.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Of course you will have to put=20=
up with my
Tx sessions clobbering the grabber at times.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><a href=3D"http://myweb.tiscali=
.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html">http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.=
html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
ont-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>73,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p=
></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
ont-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.</span></font></b>=
</strong><o:p></o:p></p>

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Dear Mal, LF Group,

That is an interesting experiment - It would be interesting to know how far 
apart the loops are to result in different fading patterns.

I would be very wary in interpreting the results from two totally different 
types of receiver - The SLM has essentially a fixed gain, while I see the 
IC-746 has a DSP "back end" with complex AGC loops acting on both analogue 
and digital parts. I guess the AGC in the IC746 is never totally disabled in 
order to prevent overloading of the A/D converter. So that may explain why 
loop "B" has a more constant apparent output level. One check would be to 
swap over the antennas between receivers, and see what difference that made. 
I suppose it would not be too difficult to have, say, a relay that switched 
the same RX input between the two antennas, perhaps every 10 or 20s or so, 
with an attenuator pad to get the signal levels roughly equal. That way , 
the comparison could be made with a single receiver.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: LF: Antenna Diversity


LF/MF
I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using two 
loops... 



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Gary,

I don't think a guard band is really needed as if you set the centre carrier 
frequency to  503.9 , then operating at the extreme edges is not really 
possible, you're  right on the edge of the waterfall. the deviation is only 
round  6 hz

Re power .. I would say, the erp  is the most meaningful,  actual  power 
supplied to the antenna without the performance data of the array doesn't 
really mean too much ?

G ..

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From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
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>
> Hi All,
>
> In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top part 
> of
> the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a 
> 200Hz
> slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
> 503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.
>
> My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 503.550KHz
> data.
>
> Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 25 January 2009 18:32
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>
> John,
>
> Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move 
> to
>
> the band edge without problems
> clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down
>
> With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a 
> reasonable
> concept as it will allow other 'casual'
> monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post 
> needed
> to  announce a test !
>
> What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or just
> sleeping ?
>
> G ..
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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>
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
>> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>>
>> Oh no!
>>
>> Please let's not get into this again....
>>
>> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
>> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>>
>> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
>> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
>> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>>
>> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
>> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
>> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>>
>>
>> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>>
>> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>>
>> John
>> GM4SLV
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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WOW!   -21db, and ARGO clean...

Uploaded @ 0002

Reading +10 above the noise w/ Spectra Vue

Lookin good...

Dave@17




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Mike,

Do you have any idea how I can stop these rsgb_lf_group messages???

TNX  Dave

could you 'unsubscribe' me??
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  It's not even lunch time here!!! hi hi...It was pretty quiet last night on=
 600m. I chatted with Pat XSH/6 for a bit at 0520z. Regular CW too...hi hi

  Mike
  WE0H
  WD2XSH/16



  Mal wrote:=20
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    Anyone available tonite in the USA for a 500 khz QSO. I will be QRV from=
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    mal/g3kev

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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:58:26 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi LF,
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Interesting observation.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Tonight up to now I have only had one decode from Graham's WSPR &
> that was when I had a high level of broadband noise here masking the
> signal.
>

Yes, I also notice good decodes at low S/N ratios, during downward
fades, but nil decodes when the signal is stronger than about -6dB

>From what I can find at the WSPR forums others have seen poor decodes
of strong signals due to soundcard sample rate problems, and in this
instance I assume the problem is at the sending end.

Perhaps a period of QRP operation might help, counterintuitively.

Cheers,

John

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A 600m grabber would be neat up there...hi hi...

Mike
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Scott wrote:
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>
> http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/
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> 73 Scott
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OK, Jean-Pierre!
Band is active from UA direction - as you can see on the picture. 
Thanks for your grabber, I am using it very much.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG

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> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:49:08 +0100
> From: jpm.f1afj@online.fr
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> Ok , Tnx Lubos , I started my grabber in "asia" direction , nil at moment !
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> 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj
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Jay,

yes, I absolutely agree to your point. We did want to use the upper TA window during our evenings to have a chance to get on the 
BY/KL1X grabber. But I'd suggest we follow the example set by RU6LA a couple of days ago, and QSY down to the Eu transmit window 
after midnight UT for possible stateside reception.

Now that everything is connected here, I intend to fire up the "NM" beacon again on 136318.3 for the rest of tonight.

Best wishes

Markus, DF6NM

----- Original Message ----- 
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 137 kHz EU stations

 There are probably at least a few stations in the US (including me!) that have been and are still  interested in receiving your
signals. Unfortunately, all EU stations seem to have moved their transmitters into the US transmitting window at 137778 kHz. When US
stations are transmitting (which  is often) this prevents any chance for reception of EU stations at many receiving locations.

 Looking back at T/A captures from years past I see that the EU transmitting window was previously centered on 136318 kHz. This
provided adequate frequency separation and I was successful at  receiving stations with even modest setups. I wonder how this
frequency change came about and  whether EU stations would consider going back to their old transmitting window. Thoughts?

 Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/1

 (blind toward EU on 137 kHz...)




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qso.
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----- Original Message ----- 
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Dear LF enthusiasts!

My best wishes and a Happy New Year to all LF/MF enthusiasts!

TNX to all for QSOs, reports and captures of my last activity 13-14 dec!

I'll work 3-4 jan on 137 KHz band

In my plans is such:

- I'll do a beacon for the East (ZL/VK/BY/UA As...) from 1330z QRSS60
abt 137779 (sunset in KN97LN abt 1345z);

- I'll do a beacon for Northern America (if my beacon is interesting?)
from 23z QRSS60 abt 136319 (sunrise in KN97LN abt 0515z);

- 2way QSOs in CW/slow (my freq 137703) from abt 19z till abt 23z

I have very unstable Internet (GPRS) on the Machta ;-( - I can long
not answer msgs

73! Ed RU6LA   136.73.ru




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Dear Nicolas, Gary, LF Group,

What RX bandwidth are you using? Here I have the 250Hz CW filter configured 
as "SSB Narrow", which is removing most of the Lakihegy signal before it 
gets to the IF/audio amp/sound card. I guess if you are using full SSB 
bandwidth, overloading may be an issue.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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>
> OK Jim same version, i dont understand why i cant decode  Uwe.
> Wait and see.
>
>
> F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP
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Jim is 10 - 11dB SNR apart from the transmission at 1622 when there
was a dropout of some kind in his signal

Was about to say there's QRM on Jims signal (at 1639z), but its that
funny on-off mode, decoding to his callsign  :-)

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/25 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
> Dear LF Group,
>
> I have re-started the WSPR beacon on 503.5kHz (502kHz "dial frequency"). All
> reports will be very welcome. G4JNT is still QRV - solid copy here of
> course, with SNR plus a few dB.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>


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It sounds and looks like data on 501.050 about 10db peaks above local QRN...

QSB 0-10 DB/N over several minute period..

Similar faster sigs 50hz. down..

10 second dashes with cw or data in between??

http://dx.qsl.net/propagation/propagation.html  indicates quiet...

What could this mean??

TNX

Dave @ 17






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Hi Joe and All,

nothing on the screen Joe,
best 73s
Henny cpm.

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What is the difference (for others) between beaconing and a shear 
endless QRSS CQ-call or QSO.
If that signal is S9+ and near the band centre it blocks in both 
cases a good part of the band for weak CW reception.
I do not see any good reason to transmit QRSS near 502.5kHz.

73, Rik  ON7YD

At 19:28 25/01/2009, you wrote:
>    G3KEV does not use BEACON MODE. I call CQ on 502.57 QSK QSK QSK 
> and I am always in the shack when doing so to respond to anyone 
> that breaks in. Sri Jim but you have got it WRONG.
>I use NORMAL CW but do respond to QRS 3 at times when I have no 
>other choice, certainly not my preferred mode.
>I do not operate slower than qrs3.
>de mal/g3kev
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>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" 
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>>Dear Andy,
>>
>>I don't think there is a formal band plan as such, but informally, data
>>modes and QRSS usually inhabit the range 503.0 - 504.0, the centre of CW
>>activity is 502.5, some stations use the 501.0 - 502.0 kHz range for beacon
>>transmission, and 502.57 is G3KEV...
>>
>>Cheers, Jim Moritz
>>73 de M0BMU
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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>>>Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>>
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GM LF,

 

Sorry, but I failed to re-start the grabber uploads after my WSPR session
last night.

 

Now back on.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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Dear Andy, LF Group,

Oddly enough, at the time your e-mail arrived, I noticed on the WSPR display 
that your signal frequency had jumped from  503869 to 503883 Hz. It stayed 
there for 2 frames (1838, 1840utc) and during that time it did not decode. 
After that, it reverted to normal frequency, and decoded normally. The other 
signals on the spectrogram behaved normally during this time, so I'm sure 
this was nothing to do with the receiver here.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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> John, G0API, has been monitoring my QRP WSPR beacon most of the afternoon,
> and getting the occasional decode at a S/N of -19dB, ie quite good.
> However, he only manages a decode about one time in 10, randomly.  The
> frequency is usually reported as ....855 instead of the ...870 it should 
> be,
> although once in a while, it reports 870 and gives a proper decode.   So 
> it
> looks as if he may have some sort of intermitetnt fault that affects
> sampling rate.
>



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Thank you - I learned something today and that makes it a good day.

I knew it had nothing to do with receivers of any kind. My misconception was
since it was such a powerhouse that its signal strength was really large and
there for in a simple receiver it would, depending on QTH, simply swamp out
other signals.

Thanks again! This is new to me over here.

Doc.

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Warren Ziegler
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Tom,
> Selectivity was the strongest signal. Is this the "Luxemburg effect?"


   The Luxembourg effect has nothing to do with crystal sets!
The Luxembourg effect is when a very high power transmitter causes
non-linearity in the ionosphere resulting in mixing of different rado
signals. This effect was 1st observed prior to WWII on the very high
power LF transmissions from Radio Luxembourg.

73 Warren K2ORS






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hi Joe,
nothing on the screen,
73s
henny cpm

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Running   at 0.5 w erp

502.4 Khz , till round 0030 hrs=20

G ,,=20


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New message OK at -31 dB Wow !!!
 
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Dear Mal, LF Group,

Afraid I won't be on 136kHz tonight - the TX PSU has been temporarily 
borrowed for another project.

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MF/LF=20
For interest, nearly every diode that I have tested varies one from another=20=
even a matched batch. I suppose normally constructers just grab the required=
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he reverse direction.=20
mal/g3kev

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  I have found some rectifiers MBR 6045 and although these would do the job,=
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  de mal/g3kev





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Andy,

Its possible ..  but not much in it .. im seeing you signal fine and the 
wspr waterfall is quite clean .. i was getting false decodes on the lower 
frequency, but  that was well into the noise area .. id say all is ok at the 
moment ..

G ..



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Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 502.400 Dial frequency ?

>
> Are you implying that the zone below 503.900 is not quiet ?
> Is it worth me moving to a frequency above .900 ?
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/26 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>> Jim,
>>
>> That looks to  of gone quite well , Gary has just wired me , there are 
>> some
>> new stations sending in spots to
>> the wspr data base
>>
>> only thing on the 504 signal .. the  quite zone looks to  be  only 100 hz
>> wide , from  503.9 to  504
>> but I don't see any false decodes at the moment ( 2 hours running) so the
>> splash is 'ok'
>>
>> G ..
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:46 PM
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>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 502.400 Dial frequency ?
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Gary,
>>>
>>> Should be fine with me - I expect someone will still be broadcasting on
>>> 252kHz tomorrow!
>>>
>>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>>> 73 de M0BMU
>>>
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Chris,

Great to see you're receiving Jay too, now we need the others to QSY
up and join in, to get more data.

I noice Jay you're reporting 500W - TX power NOT ERP presumably!

That must quite a nice PA for almost 100% duty cycle at that power.

I see some short deep QSB, dips lasting approx 3-4 minutes, and
relatively long periods of up to 12 minutes of good trace/solid
decodes in between.

Cheers,

John


On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:13:38 +0000
Chris McCarthy <chris.decibel@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Jay,
> 
> I will retune my RX from 502.4 to 507.0 dial freq at about 2200Z.
> Spots will be uploaded and appear at:
> http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=&sort=date
> It  be on all night.
> 
> Chris, G3XVL


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Hello John!

Nice to get a report from the Shetland Islands too. Looking forward to see a
capture or two later. Thanks for logging the QRG and as the PSU and PA seem=20=
to
take the beating from the QRSS pretty well I may even leave it running
overnight if I can arrange a simple bed in the shack.

The antenna tuning is varying only slightly now as the wire swings in the ge=
ntle
breeze. From startup the tuning drifted and the antenna current was below wh=
at I
had yesterday. After I started QRSS3 operation things changed fast and then
stabilized. On top of that the antenna current has increased from 0.7 to 1.0=
 A.
There must have been some thin frost on the insulators initially that the RF=
 has
melted, I have no other explanation for such rapid changes.

Best regards

Paul-Henrik


Quoting John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:

> On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:28:07 +0200
> Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi> wrote:
>
> > LF, Hello!
> >
> > Many thanks to all that have reported and suggested so far. I will
> > reply to you later. I'm busy setting up and perfecting things at the
> > moment :)
> >
> > New QRG as suggested by Jim: 136.35kHz
>
> Hello Paul-Henrik, LF
>
> I've been out of the shack all evening, until now, but set Spec Lab up
> to show the frequency in question earlier. I'll check the 5-minte
> captures later, but I can confirm visual ID of your callsign in QRSS,
> on a quick glance at the screen. I haven't had a chance to optimise
> Spec Lab on the new PC installation yet, so I'm going to experiment on
> your signal, if you leave it running....
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>
>




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I don't.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/18 Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>:
> mal hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Andy and the Digi Boys
>> Would it be possible to move to 1.9 mhz and upwards and leave 137 and 500
>> khz to the discerning CW radio amateurs
>> de mal/g3kev
>
> Please don't listen to Mal. I am much interested in receiving digital
> signals
> on the 137 and the 500 kHz bands. Much more interesting than boring
> dih-dah-dih.
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
>
>
>


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Thanks for the report Mal!

Happy to send some lower frequency signals back in return for all those rece=
ived
on 600 metres. Looks like the OH-G path is still in the same good shape it u=
sed
to be when Reino was still active on the band.

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Paul
> Good copy ere now OOO at 2048 utc have good photo
> mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:17 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
>
>
> Thanks for the screenshot Jim!
>
> Amazing, I thought it would take more to make it down there. It is good to
> be
> back on 136 after a 12 year break. My best DX back then was the Karlsborg
> expedition in Sweden (7S6SAJ)
>
> 73's
>
> Paul-Henrik
>
> Quoting James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
>
> > Dear Paul-Henrik,
> >
> > Now copying your QRSS3 - see attachment. Signal is recovering from QSB.
> >
> > Cheers, Jim Moritz
> > 73 de M0BMU
>
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And the protoype HeyPhone was tested on 73 kHz in Yorkshire.  No-one complai=
ned.

John
F5VLF

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 05/01/2009 at 22:22 Dave G3WCB wrote:

>Dear LF,=20
>
>Geri DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 137
>kHz a few years back.=20
>
>Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler too ;-)
>
>Follow the link below:-=20
>
>http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html
>
>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of M0FMT
>  Sent: 05 January 2009 02:37
>  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>  Subject: Re: LF: Re: Silent majority
>
>
>        Hi LF
>
>        Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for
>experimentation of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded
>for free off the Internet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a
>picture is worth a 1000 words. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would
>like to share with the world by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.  The
>result may be a bit more interesting than the shopping lists of stations
>worked, equipment lists and rig specifications that get churned out ad
>nauseam over the weekends.
>
>        I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op
>friends would feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.
>
>        No, the above suggestion is ridiculous. It does however, Einstein,
>Planck et al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum
>bandwidth for the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band?
> I will start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX
>managed with less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on this
>band then hand shaking could be introduced to ensure error free data
>transfer a bit like X25 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow
>bandwidth say 50c/s max.  We need to think outside the box and not try to
>shoe horn unsuitable modes onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co
>with all due respect to Alberto (who I admire immensely for his great
>innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT processing software) I think,  is over the
>top. Nobody is into book burning and denial of spectrum to impede progress
>but we only have 3kc/s to play with here in the UK.  I consider myself a
>=E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operator not a highflying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=
=9D radio spectrum
>quantum mechanic, but I would hope we are trying to do more with less and
>I don=E2=80=99t think Olivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and
>developed, I would expect one of the cardinal points in their
>specification, along with very narrow BW, to be compatibility with
>adjacent modes like CW and the effect on adjacent stations not running
>that particular mode.
>
>        In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills
>assuming there are any stations still interested in that form of error
>correcting narrow band data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.
>
>        Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the
>ground.
>
>        Vy 73 petefmt
>
>
>
>        --- On Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:
>
>          From: Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
>          Subject: LF: Re: Silent majority
>          To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>          Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM
>
>
>Steve McDonald wrote:
>>> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
>already
>>> taken place on MF.
>>=20
>> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now
>as
>> Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
>Wouldn't it be
>> wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently
>does.
>> What an amazing gift.
>>=20
>> VE7SL / Steve
>
>This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
>At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that
>there
>was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
>Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time,
>wrote:
>
>=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought ad=
vice
>from
>my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
>highly developed almost fully matured science... Possibly in one or another
>nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be
>examined
>and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
>theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
>for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.
>
>The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
>point of view...
>
>73  Alberto  I2PHD






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Hi Laurence, LF,

I have tried to identify the LORAN lines in your display:

GRI        freq/Hz        your dial
8390   137 777.116    777.38  (strongest)
8930   137 777.156    777.41
7430   137 779.273    779.54
9930   137 779.456    779.72  (weak)
7950   137 773.585    773.86  (very weak) (btw I never found this chain on 100 kHz)

This would mean that your frequency scale is currently reading 0.26 Hz high. For comparison, the RN3AGC and F1AFJ grabber readouts 
are fairly accurate. Thus "WPF" and "Y" do appear in China on their expected frequencies, whereas DF6NM produced only a single dash 
so far...

Thanks very much for running your receiver and grabber! We're sweating hard ;-)

Best wishes,
Markus, DF6NM

----- Original Message ----- 
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Dear LF enthusiasts and Laurence!

On http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg now (20z)
RA3YO abt 137778,5
DF6NM abt 13777,7
UA4WPF abt 13777,4
traces only

73! Ed RU6LA



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Hi Dave,

good, thanks for watching! There is currently also UA4WPF sending "W" around 136307.5. Active grabbers serving this window tonight 
are BY/KL1X  http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg, F1AFJ http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm, RN3AGC 
http://www.rn3agc.msk.ru/grabber1.shtml and my own (between dashes) http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm.

It's fun to watch the busy automatic variometer here, trying to cope with wind-induced antenna resonance variations.

Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM



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QSW for DF6NM DFCW on 136.309kHz  w/capture on for the evening...


TNX de Dave @ WD2XSH/17



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ok Jay
Nil on ur freq either also listening on 7033 khz for calls USA maybe Dave. O=
n 7033 can hear a K4 STN so there is propagartion to USA
MAL

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  Looking...nothing so far.

  Jay

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    Hi Jay and Dave and MF=20
    Now qrv 502.57 khz g3kev qsk for qso's.  Gale blowing at present but not=
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    73 mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ok Jay</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nil on ur freq either also listening on 703=
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>jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: 500 now</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Looking...nothing so far.</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 500 now</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Jay and Dave and MF </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now qrv 502.57 khz g3kev qsk for qso's.=
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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Hi all
I am getting strong traces of the wspr signals on 500 khz but only some deco=
de, obviously the system is working otherwise I would get no decoded  materi=
al at all. There also seems to be delays. I am getting vy strong traces on a=
ll of the signals, dog bone so its not lack of signal. I have set the thresh=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am getting strong traces of the wspr sign=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Using WSJT 7</FONT></DIV>
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Good morning Victor,
Thanks it's my signal. After a long period of snow and ice i continued to bu=
ild up my LF antenna. It was just a short QRP test and i made some good proc=
ess. Looks like i get my matching issues solved. Hope to bring a much better=
 signal on air in short future.

Thanks for report
Vy73
Marco
DD7PC


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Captured 2:30z 137779.7

73
Victor


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s it's my signal. After a long period of snow and ice i continued to build u=
p my LF antenna. It was just a short QRP test and i made some good process.=20=
Looks like i get my matching issues solved. Hope to bring a much better sign=
al on air in short future.<BR><BR>Thanks for report<BR>Vy73<BR>Marco<BR>DD7P=
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Hello James,
Unfortunately, I can give only argocaps.
Capture in 00.40z.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


> Dear LF Group,
> 
> Am now running the WSPR beacon again on 136.0kHz "dial frequency", 
> 137.500kHz RF out, 33% TX. I have temporarily raised the centre of the span 
> of my antenna up to 15m (return of the cherry-picker) and tweaked the 
> impedance matching a bit, so should have an extra 3-4dB of signal tonight 
> (assuming the wind doesn't get up and I have to lower it down again). Any 
> reports will be very welcome.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
>

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Dear Paul-Henrik, Dennis, LF Group,

I have been watching OH1LSQ in the gaps between my WSPR transmissions - copy 
has generally been quite good, but the signal levels are definitely down by 
several dB since last night - see attachment. So in answer to Dennis, LF 
conditions were better last night, at least for OH -> G. However, W3EEE's 
DCF39 grabber shows signal levels increased compared to last night... G3NYK 
is forecasting "good"...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 

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Ok Lubos=20

You might  find   multipsk      and   fldigi  also useful   ,  drm780  works=
 well but needs a fast pc  ,=20

rgds

Graham .=20
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From: Lubos OK2BVG=20
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:37 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: RE: LF: OLIVIA


Hello Graham, LF!
I have never tested to decode Olivia mode. But I downloaded MixW and I will=20=
try to instal and open it.
It might be interesting...

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS


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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:44:51 +0000
Subject: Re: LF: OLIVIA


Thanks Lubos=20

That looks like a printable signal ? do you have a decode ?

Graham .=20


From: Lubos OK2BVG=20
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: LF: OLIVIA


Signal on 503kHz

Lubos, OK2BVG


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ok Lubos </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>You might&nbsp; find&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
multipsk&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and&nbsp;&nbsp; fldigi&nbsp; also=20
useful&nbsp;&nbsp; ,&nbsp; drm780&nbsp; works well but needs a fast pc&nbsp;=
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,&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>rgds</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Graham . </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dbvgbob@hotmail.com=20=
  href=3D"mailto:bvgbob@hotmail.com">Lubos OK2BVG</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:37 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org   href=3D"mailto:rsg=
b_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: LF: OLIVIA</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hello Graham, LF!<BR>I have never tested to decode Olivia mod=
e.=20
But I downloaded MixW and I will try to instal and open it.<BR>It might be=20
interesting...<BR><BR>Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Thanks Lubos </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>That looks like a printable signal ? do you have a d=
ecode=20
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Graham . </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 PM</DIV>
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b_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: OLIVIA</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Signal on 503kHz<BR><BR>Lubos, OK2BVG<BR><BR>
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Hello Wolf,
I do not see why my supplier of access Internet rejects your
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>
> No personal mail received yet ...
> What I tried to send you is this info about the frequency offset in=20
> your spectogram configuration:
>
> >Did you mean
> (a) the frequency offset for the spectrogram display,
> or (b) the frequency shifter in the FFT filter ?
>
> If it's (a) - see attachment. I simply entered "128k" in the "Offs"=20
> field in the main window. After 2 seconds, the frequency scale=20
> changes, and the offset is added.
> The "k" suffix means kHz here, it's the same as entering "128000" for=20
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>
> Of course this does not affect the processing, only the display. The=20
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> <
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> Hope the others don't mind this being sent through the reflector. My=20
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Dear Wolf, LF Group,


> look mum, so many WSJT spotters. And this one from 'across the pond' ;-)
>
> 2009-01-25 21:14  M0BMU  0.503499  -26  0  IO91vr  +30  1.000  AA1A 
> FN42pb  5248  3261

Yes , excellent to see "familiar faces", and also some new calls each 
evening. I was wondering who "MICHAEL" was until Michael's e-mail...

I intend to run the beacon overnight until 0800utc or so, so please keep the 
reports coming.

I see I am also being spotted by a"K1JT" at -1dB SNR, so I guess someone has 
forgotten to update the settings on their WSPR. It really wasn't a good idea 
for Joe to use his own station details as the default!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Now dropped to 33% duty cycle - its getting busier out there.

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<div>Now dropped to 33% duty cycle - its getting busier out there.</div>
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Here Here Mal
=C2=A0
I wonder how many of these "Hi Tech" mode stations live within line of sight=
=C2=A0of another station then I think this BW hungry spread spectrum stuff w=
ould be a nightmare to that local station? Especially running as an inane be=
acon which undoubtedly will follow.
=C2=A0
I have two 600m stations with in 8miles line of sight and another 13miles ov=
er open country from me their CW is phenominally strong, a signal like Olivi=
a 8/250 would obliorate the band for me. And for what?
I asked for Morse on/off keying and very narrow FSK in my NoV application. D=
id I miss something, like asking to use DSB? Its a 3 kc/s alloction for CS!
=C2=A0
Mal you've got my vote and probably the Vote of the silent majority on the B=
and.
=C2=A0
End of RANT!!
=C2=A0
73es HNY to all LF petefmt

--- On Sun, 4/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sunday, 4 January, 2009, 10:10 AM







No change Gary, in fact I sent an amateur 2 valve bases a while back to get=20=
him going on 137 khz.
If you read my emails carefully all=C2=A0 that I am saying is that to date a=
ll modes considered there has has been no improvement over normal CW or QRS=20=
and very economical with bandwidth and signal transfer between stations.
=C2=A0
I have no objection to any mode being used as long as it does not swamp the=20=
band to the detriment of other band users. This past couple of nights one th=
ird of the available band of 3 khz has been occupied by olivia plus other da=
ta modes. ie 3 transmissions running parallel, this I do object to especiall=
y when I was having a QSO with G3XIZ and almost swamped out, however I do ha=
ve good selectivity and did manage but I think XIZ and his experimental DC r=
eceiver was having a hard time. A data transmission or any other mode using=20=
around 200 hz bandwidth would be acceptable most of the time.
To be reasonable I have one suggestion. If someone is compelled to use a 1 k=
hz wide mode then do it after say midnight for a few hours.=20
This reflecter has a big audicence and I get a considerable amounnt of priva=
te emails agreeing with observations that I am making, I also get a few that=
 disagree.
=C2=A0
As regards helping others this is going on all the time, and I frequently re=
ply to requests for advice with all=C2=A0 aspects of LF and MF=C2=A0projects=
.
I also get help, recently as a=C2=A0 result of a discussion about preamps tw=
o other amateurs reading the=C2=A0mail sent=C2=A0me the required chips at no=
 cost and likewise I do the same thing.
=C2=A0
Most radio amateurs on here do discuss or argue their=C2=A0point in a civili=
sed manner but=C2=A0you must have noticed how HOSTILE or ABUSIVE some get wh=
en their opinin=C2=A0differs from others. They lose ther plot go off at a ta=
ngent and start=C2=A0 attacking the individual putting forward a point of vi=
ew.
=C2=A0
I am not against black boxes for certain applications=C2=A0and have used the=
m in the past ie PK232 and KAM., computer systems sound cards with the appro=
priate software. I have a NOV for BBS operations GB7KEV and shifted the east=
 coast main line mail for several years into Scotland and beyond using a V/U=
HF node network and gateway also on HF for worldwide mail exchanges. Main mo=
des PACKET on V/UHF and Amtor/pactor on HF.
This business has almost gone now with the advent of Internet access for mai=
l and traffic exchanges. The black box=C2=A0is ideal for the mass transfer o=
f messages which would be a chore on CW.
I hope you now understand my point of view.
73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV
=C2=A0
=C2=A0

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Gary - G4WGT=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240



Mal,
=C2=A0
I admit, not nearly as many as you.
=C2=A0
But why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don=E2=80=
=99t do it your way it isn=E2=80=99t correct.
=C2=A0
I would be much nicer to advise & help others, don=E2=80=99t you think?
=C2=A0
I remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me & it was good advice,=
 I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?
=C2=A0
Gary =E2=80=93 G4WGT.
=C2=A0




From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner- rsgb_lf_group@black=
sheep.org ] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:48
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: QRS 240
=C2=A0

29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your score.

g3kev

=C2=A0


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Gary - G4WGT=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM

Subject: LF: RE: QRS 240

=C2=A0
LF,
=C2=A0
Oh my god, he=E2=80=99s doing it on 136KHz now !!!
=C2=A0
Gary - G4WGT.
=C2=A0




From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org ] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:22
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: QRS 240
=C2=A0

Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot !!!.Thi=
nk how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB on rhe c=
arrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1

g3kev

=C2=A0




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op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Here Here Mal</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I wonder how many of these "Hi Tech" mode stations live within line of=20=
sight&nbsp;of another station then I think this BW hungry spread spectrum st=
uff would be a nightmare to that local station? Especially running as an ina=
ne beacon which undoubtedly will follow.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have two 600m stations with in 8miles line of sight and another 13mil=
es over open country from me their CW is phenominally strong, a signal like=20=
Olivia 8/250 would obliorate the band for me. And for what?</DIV>
<DIV>I asked for Morse on/off keying and very narrow FSK in my NoV applicati=
on. Did I miss something, like asking to use DSB? Its a 3 kc/s alloction for=
 CS!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Mal you've got my vote and probably the Vote of the silent majority on=20=
the Band.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>End of RANT!!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73es HNY to all LF petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 4/1/09, mal hamilton <=
I>&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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6,16,255) 2px solid">From: mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Sub=
ject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Dat=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No change Gary, in fact I sent an amateur 2=
 valve bases a while back to get him going on 137 khz.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you read my emails carefully all&nbsp; t=
hat I am saying is that to date all modes considered there has has been no i=
mprovement over normal CW or QRS and very economical with bandwidth and sign=
al transfer between stations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have no objection to any mode being used=20=
as long as it does not swamp the band to the detriment of other band users.=20=
This past couple of nights one third of the available band of 3 khz has been=
 occupied by olivia plus other data modes. ie 3 transmissions running parall=
el, this I do object to especially when I was having a QSO with G3XIZ and al=
most swamped out, however I do have good selectivity and did manage but I th=
ink XIZ and his experimental DC receiver was having a hard time. A data tran=
smission or any other mode using around 200 hz bandwidth would be acceptable=
 most of the time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To be reasonable I have one suggestion. If=20=
someone is compelled to use a 1 khz wide mode then do it after say midnight=20=
for a few hours. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This reflecter has a big audicence and I ge=
t a considerable amounnt of private emails agreeing with observations that I=
 am making, I also get a few that disagree.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As regards helping others this is going on=20=
all the time, and I frequently reply to requests for advice with all&nbsp; a=
spects of LF and MF&nbsp;projects.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also get help, recently as a&nbsp; result=
 of a discussion about preamps two other amateurs reading the&nbsp;mail sent=
&nbsp;me the required chips at no cost and likewise I do the same thing.</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Most radio amateurs on here do discuss or a=
rgue their&nbsp;point in a civilised manner but&nbsp;you must have noticed h=
ow HOSTILE or ABUSIVE some get when their opinin&nbsp;differs from others. T=
hey lose ther plot go off at a tangent and start&nbsp; attacking the individ=
ual putting forward a point of view.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am not against black boxes for certain ap=
plications&nbsp;and have used them in the past ie PK232 and KAM., computer s=
ystems sound cards with the appropriate software. I have a NOV for BBS opera=
tions GB7KEV and shifted the east coast main line mail for several years int=
o Scotland and beyond using a V/UHF node network and gateway also on HF for=20=
worldwide mail exchanges. Main modes PACKET on V/UHF and Amtor/pactor on HF.=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This business has almost gone now with the=20=
advent of Internet access for mail and traffic exchanges. The black box&nbsp=
;is ideal for the mass transfer of messages which would be a chore on CW.</F=
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope you now understand my point of view.=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=
=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk" target=3D_blank r=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D_blank rel=3Dno=
follow>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:03=
 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240</DIV=
>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Mal=
,</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nb=
sp;</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I a=
dmit, not nearly as many as you.</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nb=
sp;</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But=
 why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don=E2=80=99t=20=
do it your way it isn=E2=80=99t correct.</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nb=
sp;</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I w=
ould be much nicer to advise &amp; help others, don=E2=80=99t you think?</SP=
AN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nb=
sp;</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I r=
emember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me &amp; it was good advice=
, I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?</SPAN></FO=
NT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nb=
sp;</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gar=
y =E2=80=93 G4WGT.</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nb=
sp;</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><FONT fac=
e=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<HR tabIndex=3D-1 align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></=
FONT></B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:own=
er- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On B=
ehalf Of </SPAN></B>mal hamilton<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sen=
t:</SPAN></B> 03 January 2009 20:48<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">=
To:</SPAN></B> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT=
: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> LF: Re: RE: QRS 240</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DEN=
-US></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"=
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your=20=
score.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">g3kev</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"=
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-T=
OP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; MARGIN: 5pt 0cm 5pt=
 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: me=
dium none">
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message ----- </SPAN></FONT></DIV></=
DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=3DArial siz=
e=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"=
>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE=
: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g=
4wgt@tiscali.co.uk" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>Gary - G4WGT</A> </SPAN><=
/FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIG=
HT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A=20=
title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </SPAN=
></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIG=
HT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20=
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> S=
aturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIG=
HT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"=
> LF: RE: QRS 240</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"=
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">LF,=
</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nb=
sp;</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Oh=20=
my god, he=E2=80=99s doing it on 136KHz now !!!</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nb=
sp;</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gar=
y - G4WGT.</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nb=
sp;</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><FONT fac=
e=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<HR tabIndex=3D-1 align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></=
FONT></B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee=
p.org" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=
 [mailto:owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT=
: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>mal hamilton<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGH=
T: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 03 January 2009 20:22<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WE=
IGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> rsgb<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subj=
ect:</SPAN></B> LF: QRS 240</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DEN-US></SPAN></DIV></D=
IV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"=
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending=20=
at qrs240 sec dot !!!.Think how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly=
 there is no QSB on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at=
 qrs 1</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">g3kev</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"=
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><FONT fac=
e=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<HR align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"=
FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by=20=
AVG - http://www.avg.com <BR>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/187=
2 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 1:10 PM</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV>
<HR>

<DIV></DIV><BR>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG -=20=
http://www.avg.com <BR>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Re=
lease Date: 1/2/2009 1:10 PM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></=
table><br>



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Thanks for all the signals over my nighttime - excellent - Overall Im very p=
leased with the results, especially as conditions are really not that good f=
rom here towards Eu and Ive seen upto 20dB better at times just in the short=
 period the baby bottle as been poked out of the apartment window.=20
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If thats the case, given my now much better s/n and clear view with the ante=
nnae up on the block roof it bodes well for W Europe and perhaps the USA. I=20=
slowed the PC to dot 90 given the fade periodicity at the moment but will sp=
eed up if required. Ive spotted a flourescent tube which is on +24hr in the=20=
elevator room some 20m from the antennae and will attempt to get that off wh=
en not in use -=20
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Its nearly time for the Eprobe to be brought down and given a bath - the cle=
ar baby bottle housing the eprobe/antennae gets coated in a gray/black sooty=
 and metallic covering in about a week - this does have an slight affect on=20=
the performance (!) - sort of giving the baby a bath. .Im less than a mile f=
rom a heavy industrial area, and 50m from a major building site so this isnt=
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dave
ok on 7033 on ur bug key hi

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: dave.riley3=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:03 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Howdy Mal,

  On tonight @ 22Z do you mean 502.51 or .57??

  Yes, Merv and I went through 10ghz and laser home brew together and had go=
od QSOs on each band, 10.368ghz. and 474thz.

  I was very surprized to hear of his passing...  Good man...

  As far as 2X QSO, I will be put in to the penalty box if I break the rules=
, but we could exchange 'captures' on 7033 afterwards??

  Too many rules and not enuf real work...  Scribes and Pharisees, they're e=
verywhere!!!

  Let me know, will be all eyes...

  Dave, WD2XSH/17, the little erp who can...






    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:31 PM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Dave=20
    I did not realise that you knew Merv/NC1K and engaged in cloud lazer exp=
eriments. I have know Merv for years and knew him since his G3PXB days.
    We both worked together around 1964 before he emigrated to the USA.
    He was over here a few years ago and I saw him then. Unfortunately I got=
 the news about his departure just recently.
    73 and hpe to hear from u agn and look out for me tonite on 502.51 khz s=
tarting at 2200 utc approx.
    Mal/g3kev/Scarborough

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: dave.riley3=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09 AM
      Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


      Mal,

      Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

      http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


      73s from Dave




      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: mal hamilton=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
      Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


      Jay
      Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and=
 agn 2214 utc
      It looks ok so far.
      mal
      g3kev


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>dave</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ok on 7033 on ur bug key hi</FONT></DIV>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Ddave.riley3@verizon.net     href=3D"mailto:dave.riley3@verizon.=
net">dave.riley3</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:03=
=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re=
: Re:=20
  MF CONDX</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Howdy Mal,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>On tonight @ 22Z do you mean 502.51 or=20
  .57??</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Yes, Merv and I went through 10ghz and laser h=
ome=20
  brew&nbsp;together and had good QSOs on each band, 10.368ghz. and=20
  474thz.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>I was very surprized to hear of his passing...=
&nbsp;=20
  Good man...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>As far as 2X QSO, I will be put in to the pena=
lty=20
  box if I break the rules, but we could exchange 'captures' on 7033=20
  afterwards??</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Too many rules and not enuf real work...&nbsp;=
=20
  Scribes and Pharisees, they're everywhere!!!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Let me know, will be all=20
  eyes...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Dave, WD2XSH/17,&nbsp;the little erp who=20
  can...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">m=
al=20
    hamilton</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 12=
:31=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:=20=
Re: MF=20
    CONDX</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I did not realise that you knew Merv/NC=
1K and=20
    engaged in cloud lazer experiments. I have know Merv for years and knew=20=
him=20
    since his G3PXB days.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We both worked together around 1964 bef=
ore he=20
    emigrated to the USA.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He was over here a few years ago and I=20=
saw him=20
    then. Unfortunately I got the news about his departure just=20
    recently.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 and hpe to hear from u agn and look=20=
out for=20
    me tonite on 502.51 khz starting at 2200 utc approx.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal/g3kev/Scarborough</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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r: black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Ddave.riley3@verizon.net         href=3D"mailto:dave.riley3@=
verizon.net">dave.riley3</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A         title=3Drsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org         href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rs=
gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
      </DIV>
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1:09=20
      AM</DIV>
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: MF=20
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      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp=
; <A         href=3D"http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg">http://www.radiocom.n=
et/KEV9.jpg</A><BR></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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      <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>73s from Dave</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><BR><BR><STRONG>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: mal hamilt=
on=20
      <BR>To: <A         href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_l=
f_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
      <BR>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM<BR>Subject: LF: Re: Re: R=
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      Re: MF CONDX<BR><BR><BR>Jay<BR>Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qs=
b,=20
      first seen 2207 then gap and agn 2214 utc<BR>It looks ok so=20
      far.<BR>mal<BR>g3kev</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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Dear Graham, Andy, LF Group,

Now copying G0NDB on 503.548 according to the WSPR decode window. Graham's 
signal is about S3 here.

I intend to have the beacon running overnight with the same settings, so 
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Now, 73kHz was a real MANs band - never worked you then, Mal.

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2009/1/25 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> It is reasonably easy to get going on 500 khz but 137 khz is a MAN'S  band
> and the BOYS need to catch up. There were a few active this morning on 137
> khz and I am sure if approached they would gladly help the BOYS to get going
> on LF. If my information is correct RUSTY RAZOR has been listening on LF and
> I suppose that is a start !!
> g3kev
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Just met G3XDV on 136.7 kHz in CW - thanks Mike - , now still waiting for OE=
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I can see traces of what may be Heinz' CW signal on the spectrogram, but not=
 sure.

No positive callsign identification in JO42FD yet.

Will keep listening for an hour or so.
QRM - mostly Luxemburg-type howling- is terrible here.

Have a nice Sunday,
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Hi Mike, Nicolas, and LF,

many thanks to both G3XDV and F4DTL for the most enjoyable QRSS / DFCW QSOs=20=
this afternoon! Thereafter, a good DFCW-3 signal was also received from RA3Y=
O.

In the morning, I could pick up a bit of aural CW activity from DK7SU (actua=
lly one of the strongest signals here), F6BWO, DK6NI, DJ1ZB (presumably) and=
 later DK1KH. DJ6GT was seen several times in QRSS.

Have a nice evening...
Markus, DF6NM

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  Thanx very much Markus for this first LF contact.=20
  I hope a next contact soon.

  F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>many thanks&nbsp;to both G3XDV and&nbsp;F4DTL for the most enjoyable QR=
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I saw signal from station XGR/6 last night (507.300kHz, regular CW).=20

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Hello all,

I guess it all comes down to "live and let live".
While any kind of experimentation should be encouraged, one should =20
also think about the impact it could have on other band users.
But the same is valid for all other activity in our small 3kHz band.
High power QRSS transmissions (aka lazy man's CW) in the middle of the =20
band are also annoying for others, couldn't this be done near one of =20
the band edges (as on 137kHz).

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting g4gvw@aol.com:

>
>  Hi All,
> I think Mal was very nearly there with a solution to thse  =20
> problems(?) in suggesting operation after midnight (or similar).  =20
> There might be merit in accepting that all of the experimental modes =20
>  AND the established modes are valid for the purposes of  =20
> "experimentation". Acceptance of this together with a voluntary  =20
> "bandplan" that was as much TIME based as mode/frequency based could =20
>  be a sensible way forward. "TIME" slots could rotate to allow =20
> people  to "experiment" at different periods of the 24 hour cycle =20
> with  certain periods set aside as "free-for-all". One would, =20
> therefore,  also be allowing for experimentation under current =20
> conditions for  those wishing to determine the QRM-busting (or =20
> otherwise) qualities  of the various modes. A "Battle-Royal" is not =20
> the most adult way to  start off a new year and neither is it a =20
> scientific method that  would impress Ofcom or any other body of =20
> professionals.
>
> My "threepennerth" for what it's worth (hopefully more than 3 pence  =20
> worth despite our blighted currency hi hi)
>
> 73 de Pat G4GVW
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Sent: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:44
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240
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> Here Here Mal
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> =C2=A0
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>
> I wonder how many of these "Hi Tech" mode stations live within line  =20
> of sight=C2=A0of another station then I think this BW hungry spread  =20
> spectrum stuff would be a nightmare to that local station?  =20
> Especially running as an inane beacon which undoubtedly will f
> ollow.
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>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> I have two 600m stations with in 8miles line of sight and another  =20
> 13miles over open country from me their CW is phenominally strong, a =20
>  signal like Olivia 8/250 would obliorate the band for me. And for  =20
> what?
>
>
> I asked for Morse on/off keying and very narrow FSK in my NoV  =20
> application. Did I miss something, like asking to use DSB? Its a 3  =20
> kc/s alloction for CS!
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>
> =C2=A0
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>
> Mal you've got my vote and probably the Vote of the silent majority  =20
> on the Band.
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> End of RANT!!
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>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> 73es HNY to all LF petefmt
>
> --- On Sun, 4/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
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>
>
> From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sunday, 4 January, 2009, 10:10 AM
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> No change Gary, in fact I sent an amateur 2 valve bases a while back =20
>  to get him going on 137 khz.
>
>
> If you read my emails carefully all=C2=A0 that I am saying is that to  =20
> date all modes considered there has has been no improvement over  =20
> normal CW or QRS and very economical with bandwidth and signal  =20
> transfer between stations.
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> =C2=A0
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> I have no objection to any mode being used as long as it does not  =20
> swamp the band to the detriment of other band users. This past  =20
> couple of nights one third of the available band of 3 khz has been  =20
> occupied by olivia plus other data modes. ie 3 transmissions running =20
>  parallel, this I do object to especially when I was having a QSO  =20
> with G3XIZ and almost swamped o
> ut, however I do have good selectivity and did manage but I think  =20
> XIZ and his experimental DC receiver was having a hard time. A data  =20
> transmission or any other mode using around 200 hz bandwidth would  =20
> be acceptable most of the time.
>
>
> To be reasonable I have one suggestion. If someone is compelled to  =20
> use a 1 khz wide mode then do it after say midnight for a few hours.
>
>
> This reflecter has a big audicence and I get a considerable amounnt  =20
> of private emails agreeing with observations that I am making, I  =20
> also get a few that disagree.
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>
> =C2=A0
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> As regards helping others this is going on all the time, and I  =20
> frequently reply to requests for advice with all=C2=A0 aspects of LF and =20=
=20
> MF=C2=A0projects.
>
>
> I also get help, recently as a=C2=A0 result of a discussion about preamps=20=
=20
>  two other amateurs reading the=C2=A0mail sent=C2=A0me the required chips=20=
at =20
> no  cost and likewise I do the same thing.
>
>
> =C2=A0
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>
> Most radio amateurs on here do discuss or argue their=C2=A0point in a  =20
> civilised manner but=C2=A0you must have noticed how HOSTILE or ABUSIVE  =20
> some get when their opinin=C2=A0differs from others. They lose ther plot =20=
=20
> go off at a tangent and start=C2=A0 attacking the individual putting  =20
> forward a point of view.
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> =C2=A0
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>
> I am not against black boxes for certain applications=C2=A0and have used =20=
=20
> them in the past ie PK232 and KAM., computer systems sound cards  =20
> with the appropriate software. I have a NOV for BBS operations  =20
> GB7KEV and shifted the east coast main line mail for several years int
> o Scotland and beyond using a V/UHF node network and gateway also on =20
>  HF for worldwide mail exchanges. Main modes PACKET on V/UHF and  =20
> Amtor/pactor on HF.
>
>
> This business has almost gone now with the advent of Internet access =20
>  for mail and traffic exchanges. The black box=C2=A0is ideal for the mass=20=
=20
>  transfer of messages which would be a chore on CW.
>
>
> I hope you now understand my point of view.
>
>
> 73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV
>
>
> =C2=A0
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> =C2=A0
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: Gary - G4WGT
>
>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>
>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:03 PM
>
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> Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240
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> Mal,
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> =C2=A0
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> I admit, not nearly as many as you.
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> =C2=A0
>
>
> But why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they  =20
> don=E2=80=99t do it your way it isn=E2=80=99t correct.
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> I would be much nicer to advise & help others, don=E2=80=99t you think?
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> I remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me & it was good =20
>  advice, I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed,  =20
> why?
>
>
> =C2=A0
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>
> Gary =E2=80=93 G4WGT.
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>
> =C2=A0
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>
>
> From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-  =20
> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
> Sent: 03 January 2009 20:48
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Re: RE: QRS 240
>
>
>
> =C2=A0
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>
>
> 29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your score.
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> g3kev
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> =C2=A0
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>
> ----- Original=3D2
> 0Message -----
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>
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>
>
> From: Gary - G4WGT
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>
>
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> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM
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>
>
> Subject: LF: RE: QRS 240
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> =C2=A0
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>
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> LF,
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> =C2=A0
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>
> Oh my god, he=E2=80=99s doing it on 136KHz now !!!
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>
> =C2=A0
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>
> Gary - G4WGT.
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> =C2=A0
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>
>
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-  =20
> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
> Sent: 03 January 2009 20:22
> To: rsgb
> Subject: LF: QRS 240
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>
>
> =C2=A0
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>
>
>
> Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot =20
>  !!!.Think how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is =20
>  no QSB on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at  =20
> qrs 1
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> g3kev
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Hello LF'ers,
capture last night in LO66PU.
RA3YO and DF6NM

73


> Hello LF'ers,
> This night UA4WPF receives in QRS120.
> Range 137.774 - 137.780 khz.
> QTH-loc LO66PU 
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> 73
> Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV
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Graham, LF,

 

Decoding your Olivia transmission.

 

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73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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Cal adjustment done at 2225z - just coming up on dawn here but with the smog=
 dont think we will see much of sun today.
=20
Ill be up again tonight at my dusk for Dex on the East Coast USA run via the=
 Pacific, then Asia/Europe.
=20
Laurence
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OM89UA
> From: markusvester@aol.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Date: Fri, 2=
 Jan 2009 23:12:35 +0100> Subject: LF: Re: China grabber 137.777 for tonight=
> > Hi Laurence, LF,> > I have tried to identify the LORAN lines in your dis=
play:> > GRI freq/Hz your dial> 8390 137 777.116 777.38 (strongest)> 8930 13=
7 777.156 777.41> 7430 137 779.273 779.54> 9930 137 779.456 779.72 (weak)> 7=
950 137 773.585 773.86 (very weak) (btw I never found this chain on 100 kHz)=
> > This would mean that your frequency scale is currently reading 0.26 Hz h=
igh. For comparison, the RN3AGC and F1AFJ grabber readouts > are fairly accu=
rate. Thus "WPF" and "Y" do appear in China on their expected frequencies, w=
hereas DF6NM produced only a single dash > so far...> > Thanks very much for=
 running your receiver and grabber! We're sweating hard ;-)> > Best wishes,>=
 Markus, DF6NM> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed RU6LA" <ed@dx.ru>=
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:11 PM=
> Subject: LF: Re: China grabber 137.777 for tonight: RA3YO DF6NM UA4WPF> >=20=
> Dear LF enthusiasts and Laurence!> > On http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg no=
w (20z)> RA3YO abt 137778,5> DF6NM abt 13777,7> UA4WPF abt 13777,4> traces o=
nly> > 73! Ed RU6LA> >=20
_________________________________________________________________
It=92s the same Hotmail=AE. If by =93same=94 you mean up to 70% faster.
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Cal adjustment done at 2225z - just coming up on dawn here but with the smog=
 dont think we will see much of sun today.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Ill be up again tonight at my dusk for Dex on the East Coast USA run via the=
 Pacific, then Asia/Europe.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence<BR>
BY3A-KL1X<BR>
OM89UA<BR>
<BR><BR>&gt; From: markusvester@aol.com<BR>&gt; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org<BR>&gt; Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:12:35 +0100<BR>&gt; Subject: LF: Re: C=
hina grabber 137.777 for tonight<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Hi Laurence, LF,<BR>&gt; <=
BR>&gt; I have tried to identify the LORAN lines in your display:<BR>&gt; <B=
R>&gt; GRI freq/Hz your dial<BR>&gt; 8390 137 777.116 777.38 (strongest)<BR>=
&gt; 8930 137 777.156 777.41<BR>&gt; 7430 137 779.273 779.54<BR>&gt; 9930 13=
7 779.456 779.72 (weak)<BR>&gt; 7950 137 773.585 773.86 (very weak) (btw I n=
ever found this chain on 100 kHz)<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; This would mean that your=
 frequency scale is currently reading 0.26 Hz high. For comparison, the RN3A=
GC and F1AFJ grabber readouts <BR>&gt; are fairly accurate. Thus "WPF" and "=
Y" do appear in China on their expected frequencies, whereas DF6NM produced=20=
only a single dash <BR>&gt; so far...<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Thanks very much for=20=
running your receiver and grabber! We're sweating hard ;-)<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20=
Best wishes,<BR>&gt; Markus, DF6NM<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ----- Original Message -=
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Subject: LF: Re: China grabber 137.777 for tonight: RA3YO DF6NM UA4WPF<BR>&g=
t; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Dear LF enthusiasts and Laurence!<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; On h=
ttp://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg now (20z)<BR>&gt; RA3YO abt 137778,5<BR>&gt;=20=
DF6NM abt 13777,7<BR>&gt; UA4WPF abt 13777,4<BR>&gt; traces only<BR>&gt; <BR=
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Hello Michel , Uwe ,
Nothing here in JN06HT
73 Jean-Pierre f1afj

Michel F5WK a =E9crit :
> Hallo Uwe,
>
> Decoded so far:
>
> 1656 -27  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1700 -26  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1704 -25  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1708 -25  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1712 -28  1.7   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1716 -28  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1720 -28  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1724 -29  1.7   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1728 -29  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1732 -26  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1736 -27  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1740 -27  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1744 -27  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1752 -27  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1804 -23  1.7   0.135976  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1808 -25  1.5   0.135976  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1812 -24  1.4   0.135976  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1816 -24  1.6   0.135976  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1820 -24  1.7   0.135976  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1824 -25  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1828 -26  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1832 -24  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1836 -23  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1840 -24  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1844 -26  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1848 -26  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1852 -28  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1856 -27  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1900 -27  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1904 -26  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1908 -27  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1912 -28  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1916 -24  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1920 -25  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1924 -27  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1928 -24  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1932 -24  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1936 -26  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1940 -27  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1944 -25  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1948 -26  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1952 -29  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2000 -28  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2008 -27  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2012 -27  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2016 -30  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2020 -28  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2036 -29  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2040 -28  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2044 -26  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2048 -24  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2052 -26  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2056 -29  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2100 -30  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2104 -29  1.1   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2108 -31  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2112 -24  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2116 -26  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2124 -29  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2128 -23  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2132 -25  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2136 -26  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2140 -31  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2144 -27  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
>
> 73,
>
> Michel / f5wk
>
>
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>
>
>  =20

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Gary..

Must be a dx version of wspr=20

I think its a combination of the mother board , old  isa/pci/agp   p111  1.1=
 ghz and may be the 'new to  me' sound card ..
just checked and no decodes to night off air ....my tx power is about 5 to 7=
 watts at the moment=20

the glitches appear to  be from the soundcard , but where the same with the=20=
old card ..may be irq problem with old board
running xp-pro .

G ..=20


From: Gary - G4WGT=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:58 PM
To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20
Subject: LF: WSPR - G0NBD


Hi LF,

=20

Interesting observation.

=20

Tonight up to now I have only had one decode from Graham's WSPR & that was w=
hen I had a high level of broadband noise here masking the signal.

=20

I have just inserted some attenuation into the Rx antenna input so there is=20=
no S meter movement on the signal. Now it appears to decode each time.

=20

73,

=20

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

=20



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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Gary..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Must be a dx version of wspr </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I think its a combination of the mother boa=
rd ,=20
old&nbsp; isa/pci/agp &nbsp; p111&nbsp; 1.1 ghz and may be the 'new to&nbsp;=
 me'=20
sound card ..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>just checked and no decodes to night off ai=
r ....my=20
tx power is about 5 to 7 watts at the moment </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>the glitches appear to&nbsp; be from the so=
undcard=20
, but where the same with the old card ..may be irq problem with old=20
board</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>running xp-pro .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>G .. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A   title=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tis=
cali.co.uk&#10;CTRL + Click to follow link"   href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.c=
o.uk">Gary - G4WGT</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:58 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org   href=3D"mailto:rsg=
b_lf_group@blacksheep.org">LF -RSGB LF Group</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: WSPR - G0NBD</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-FA=
MILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Hi=20
LF,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-FA=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-FA=
MILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Interesting=20
observation.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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ONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-FA=
MILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Tonight up to now=20
I have only had one decode from Graham=92s WSPR &amp; that was when I had a=20=
high=20
level of broadband noise here masking the=20
signal.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-FA=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-FA=
MILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">I have just=20
inserted some attenuation into the Rx antenna input so there is no S meter=20
movement on the signal. Now it appears to decode each=20
time.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-FA=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=
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Uwe,

Nice signal right now.

Capture at -20 dB SNR

2152 -20  1.1   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43


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=20
Same problem here Uwe
=20
F4DTL JN18FP
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Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 09/01/2009 22:19:06 Paris, Madrid, =20
g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk a =E9crit :

Uwe,

Which WSPR version are you using Beacon or QSO?
I only  have Beacon version at the moment & no decodes here.

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Willem De Roode schrieb:
> Capture dfieme
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> In jo22mb 
> 73s willem pa3ego
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Dr Willem! It is DL1EIE Arnim from Wesel JO31 HP ! VY 73 Arnim DL1EIE es 
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Tnx Laurance
Will try when dx condx improve.
73 mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China=20
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:05 PM
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  Mal - as ever its when I should be sleeping (like now) - from your dusk ti=
ll my dawn. Dawn here is around 2315z at the moment. Im getting UA4WPF on 13=
7.78037 and 137.78045 DFCW appx coming thru well at the moment. Give me a wi=
ndow and ill move down there, though long haul isnt that bright DCF39 being=20=
-78 at the moment..
  =20
  Laurence=20



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  Laurence
  What is the best time for u to llsn for UK es EU. I will be QRV on 137.0 k=
hz later qrs3.
  73 de mal/g3kev

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China=20
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    I returned the Eastern China Grabber back to 137/500 at local dusk - it=20=
resides on 30m Knights during the day save when it gets used for work. Prett=
y quiet tonight s/n wise loads of lines to be seen. Its 1316z and both DCF39=
 and Budapest 135.43 are just audible.
    =20
    It will be and off for a little while whilst Im doing some NDB calibrati=
on for a couple of vessels in the Yellow and Bohai Seas.
    =20
    =20
    Laurence BY3A/Kl1X
    http://kl1x.com
    =20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Tnx Laurance</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Will try when dx condx improve.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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ozero@hotmail.com">Laurence BY3A-KL1X China</A>=20
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ksheep.org</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1=
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  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: LF: 137 NIL</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Mal - as ever its when I should be sleeping (like now) - fr=
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  your dusk till my dawn. Dawn here is around 2315z at the moment. Im gettin=
g=20
  UA4WPF on 137.78037 and 137.78045 DFCW appx coming thru well at the moment=
.=20
  Give me a window and ill move down there, though long haul isnt that brigh=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Laurence</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>What is the best time for u to llsn for UK es EU.=20=
I will=20
  be QRV on 137.0 khz later qrs3.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>73 de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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    <A title=3Dhellozerohellozero@hotmail.com       href=3D"mailto:hellozero=
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 21, 2009=
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    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: LF: 137 NIL</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>I returned the Eastern China Grabber back to 137/500 at l=
ocal=20
    dusk - it resides on 30m Knights during the day save when it gets used f=
or=20
    work. Pretty quiet tonight s/n wise loads of lines to be seen. Its 1316z=
 and=20
    both DCF39 and Budapest 135.43 are just audible.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>It will be=
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    off for a little while whilst Im doing some NDB calibration for a couple=
 of=20
    vessels in the Yellow and Bohai Seas.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Laurence=20
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    how it works.</A>=20
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Hello LFers,

I've updated my webpage to include an Argo shot taken by Jerry Sharp,
located in Longmont, Colorado, USA.  It's the best DX I've had so far
with my Lowfer beacon "EAR", at over 1200 miles!  Not bad for one
watt into a tiny antenna.  Have a look at:

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle

There's a few pix of my 3 KVA Tesla coil there as well.  It would put
a big signal on the air if I connected an antenna to it!

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle




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Graham,

I see a lot of spikes on the WSPR trace with SpecLab, maybe that is causing
poor decode. I have only one so far at 2144z.

Gary - G4WGT.


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Back on  .. testing  decodes  .. still not 100 sure what the problem is

tnx- G ..

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>
> Hi all ,,, dont know what was happening last night .. re decodes
>
> Running wspr at 10 watts to  ae
>
> 502.4 KHz usb
>
> Tnx- G ..
>
>
>



>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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Hi Gus,

I cannot find that info in my limited docs...

I am RX only so far.  I think that you can use VOX for TX control...

Will be QRV for you...

Dave


  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Hi all,

  any who know abt RS232 and WSPR!=20


  can WSPR program accept "DTR" as interface power from RS 232 port ?


  73 de Gus SM6BHZ

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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Hi Gus,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>I cannot find that info in my limited=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: WSPR</DIV>
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  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4>Hi all,</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4></FONT></EM></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Tnx Uwe
I must try this method. If u have some info about setting it up let me know 
and what version of speclab
73 mal/g3kev

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> Hi Mal,
>
> pse see also
>
> http://home.versanet.de/~uwe-jannsen/two.htm
>
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx
>
>
>
> Zitat von mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
>> LF/MF
>> I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using
>> two loops. Loop A is 40 metres perimeter vertical orientation, Loop B
>> is 190 metres perimeter also vertical.  Both loops optimum E/W.
>> I am using two receivers in this experiment Ant A to Siemens D2155
>> level meter, BW 20 Hz and vy stable, Ant B to Datong up converter and
>> IC746 250 Hz BW. Both audio outputs to soundcard/ARGO display
>> allowing 50 hz separation for observation.
>> Observing DI2AM at present and having calibrared this signal on both
>> RX outputs at a point in time, both signals are fairly constant but
>> more variations have been observed on Ant A - 40m loop, the signal
>> surges in strength and then fades down, whereas Ant B has a more
>> constant output with less fade.
>> More time is needed for a proper assessment and DI2AM is also a
>> strong signal. I would need a few long haul signals for a proper test
>> like Russian or USA .
>> Interested in MF signals at present.
>> This method would also work with a couple of small loops or a loop
>> and probe type antenna, then at a glance one would know how each was
>> performing, of course with the loop in the optimum direction for
>> target signal.
>>
>> This is just a simple setup, it works well and no audio cross mod
>> noticed, nice clean signals on display in spite of the fact that the
>> separation is only 50hz.
>> A nice balanced mixer would be a more sophisticated approach, that
>> might come later.
>>
>> 73 mal/g3kev
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


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Hi  LF ,
Very pleasure to find the signal of WD2XKO at this new year !
Good signal last night , Joe !
73 qro HNY , Jean-Pierre f1afj

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Running  data mode , DominoF and olivia  8x250  , wspr=20
power about 20  watts per mode ..tx set started  1630

502 khz - usb

using  two multipsk in beacon mode , frequencies  centre marker , wspr tone=20=
1550 hz=20

Dominof    1300 hz
olivia        900 hz
wspr         1550 hz (33% tx)

Never used the Domino system , looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250=20
same 3 lines of text for each.

Due to  tr switching problems , no rx=20

Graham
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IO83LK=20

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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Running&nbsp; data mode=20=
,=20
DominoF and olivia&nbsp; 8x250&nbsp; , wspr </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>power about 20&nbsp; wat=
ts per=20
mode ..tx set started&nbsp; 1630</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>502 khz - usb</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>using&nbsp; two multipsk=
 in=20
beacon mode , frequencies&nbsp; centre marker , wspr tone 1550 hz </FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>Dominof&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;1300 hz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>olivia&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;900=20
hz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>wspr&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1550 hz=20
(33% tx)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Never used the Domino sy=
stem ,=20
looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>same 3 lines of text for=
=20
each.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Due to&nbsp; tr switchin=
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problems , no rx </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Graham</FONT></DIV>
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Hello Jim,

Are you receiving on 137.5 kHz in WSPR too ?
I'd like to test from DF0WD, and compare the SNR levels with what I 
receive from you.
Just about to leave for the club station now; I don't know if the 
internet access there is still working, so may not be able to respond 
via the reflector.

Hope to be QRV around 09:30 UTC.

Have a nice weekend,
 73,  Wolf DL4YHF .



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capture YO
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henny pa3cpm
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture YO</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende 
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Hi LF
Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experimentation=20=
of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off the Int=
ernet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a 1000 w=
ords. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the world=
 by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.=C2=A0 The result may be a bit more i=
nteresting than the shopping lists of stations worked, equipment lists and r=
ig specifications that get churned out ad nauseam over the weekends.
I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op friends wo=
uld feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.
No, the above suggestion is ridiculous. It does however, Einstein, Planck et=
 al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum bandwidth for=
 the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band? =C2=A0I will s=
tart the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed with=20=
less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then hand=20=
shaking could be introduced to ensure error free data transfer a bit like X2=
5 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max. =C2=
=A0We need to think outside the box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable mode=
s onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co with all due respect to Alber=
to (who I admire immensely for his great innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT proc=
essing software) I think, =C2=A0is over the top. Nobody is into book burning=
 and denial of spectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play wi=
th here in the UK. =C2=A0I consider myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operato=
r not a
 highflying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D radio spectrum quantum mechanic, but=20=
I would hope we are trying to do more with less and I don=E2=80=99t think Ol=
ivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I would expec=
t one of the cardinal points in their specification, along with very narrow=20=
BW, to be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the effect on adjace=
nt stations not running that particular mode.
In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming there a=
re any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narrow ban=
d data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.
Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground.
Vy 73 petefmt

--- On Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:

From: Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
Subject: LF: Re: Silent majority
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM

Steve McDonald wrote:
>> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
>> taken place on MF.
>=20
> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
> Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
> wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
> What an amazing gift.
>=20
> VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD







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op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 1=
0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri size=3D3>Hi LF</FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experiment=
ation of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off t=
he Internet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a=20=
1000 words. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the=
 world by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: ye=
s">&nbsp; </SPAN>The result may be a bit more interesting than the shopping=20=
lists of stations worked, equipment lists and rig specifications that get ch=
urned out </FONT><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT:=20=
115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">ad nauseam</SPAN><FONT face=3DCalib=
ri size=3D3> over the weekends.</FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op frie=
nds would feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.</FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3><U>No, the above suggestion is ridiculous.</U> It does however, Einste=
in, Planck et al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum=20=
bandwidth for the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band? <=
SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>I will start the ball rolling=20=
by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed with less than 32c/s BW. Si=
nce there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then hand shaking could be intro=
duced to ensure error free data transfer a bit like X25 slow but sure yet co=
nfined in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max. <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun=
: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>We need to think outside the box and not try to shoe hor=
n unsuitable modes onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co with all due=
 respect to Alberto (who I admire immensely for his great innovations with D=
SP, SDR, FFT processing software) I think, <SPAN   style=3D"mso-spacerun: ye=
s">&nbsp;</SPAN>is over the top. Nobody is into book burning and denial of s=
pectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play with here in the U=
K. <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>I consider myself a =E2=
=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operator not a highflying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D ra=
dio spectrum quantum mechanic, but I would hope we are trying to do more wit=
h less and I don=E2=80=99t think Olivia is the answer. Whatever modes are pr=
oposed and developed, I would expect one of the cardinal points in their spe=
cification, along with very narrow BW, to be compatibility with adjacent mod=
es like CW and the effect on adjacent stations not running that particular m=
ode.</FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming t=
here are any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narr=
ow band data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.</FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground=
.</FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Vy 73 petefmt</FONT></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Be=
ne <I>&lt;dibene@usa.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: Alberto di Bene &lt;dibene@usa.net&gt;<BR>Subject=
: LF: Re: Silent majority<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Monda=
y, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Steve McDonald wrote:
&gt;&gt; There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
&gt;&gt; taken place on MF.
&gt;=20
&gt; There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now=
 as
&gt; Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
&gt; wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently do=
es.
&gt; What an amazing gift.
&gt;=20
&gt; VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Dear Andy,

I don't think there is a formal band plan as such, but informally, data 
modes and QRSS usually inhabit the range 503.0 - 504.0, the centre of CW 
activity is 502.5, some stations use the 501.0 - 502.0 kHz range for beacon 
transmission, and 502.57 is G3KEV...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band? 



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CHANGE OF MODE

DOMINOEX  - AS OF  1745 HRS

TNX- G=20


From: Graham=20
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:52 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late=20



Running  data mode , DominoF and olivia  8x250  , wspr=20
power about 20  watts per mode ..tx set started  1630

502 khz - usb

using  two multipsk in beacon mode , frequencies  centre marker , wspr tone=20=
1550 hz=20

Dominof    1300 hz
olivia        900 hz
wspr         1550 hz (33% tx)

Never used the Domino system , looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250=20
same 3 lines of text for each.

Due to  tr switching problems , no rx=20

Graham
G0NBD
IO83LK=20




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<DIV>CHANGE OF MODE</DIV>
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<DIV>DOMINOEX&nbsp; - AS OF&nbsp; 1745 HRS</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A   title=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8f=
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:52 PM</DIV>
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b_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late=20
</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Running&nbsp; data mode=20=
,=20
DominoF and olivia&nbsp; 8x250&nbsp; , wspr </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>power about 20&nbsp; wat=
ts per=20
mode ..tx set started&nbsp; 1630</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>502 khz - usb</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>using&nbsp; two multipsk=
 in=20
beacon mode , frequencies&nbsp; centre marker , wspr tone 1550 hz </FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>Dominof&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;1300 hz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>olivia&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;900=20
hz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>wspr&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1550 hz=20
(33% tx)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Never used the Domino sy=
stem ,=20
looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>same 3 lines of text for=
=20
each.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Due to&nbsp; tr switchin=
g=20
problems , no rx </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Graham</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>G0NBD</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>IO83LK </FONT></DIV>
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -=20
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


Ok Gary,

Thats the first odd report hihi ...psk was not supposed to be better .......
! doesn't look well for decodes at range .. i will try and add a few more
watts ..

are you running  x 3 multipsk at once ? the beacon text is :-

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk

Tnx - G ..



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From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:37 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: LF: RE: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON -
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Graham, LF,
>
> OK all copied here at varying percentages.
>
> MFSK8
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ea dKt  tp r=A2i=FAiik1kE Keonoe
> x'!etiwB Fa=F8oit"0i=FCTelt !cgne=CAW=A5 Dr gf ! la(  i:a =BEd=F5ie.Yp  a.=
t=A2 P=20
> ntiae=8Fyt
> rl k =A2gt s CDdo   bd
> CQ CQ V) DE...g0abd   8=A9x  ag0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ ..=B1t=DFnbd  g0n!d  g0nbw kkk =C4& =C4jt  =F6=CE  E.xg0nbd  g0nb=
d  g0nbd
> CQ CQ Jd  t E...g0nbd  yz0nbd   C=A9oLQ CQ DE.n ki=B1ngS =A7/  g0P%iKhk er=
 xu5ui
> i=B9a tyfbhttaq=3D  ih=C4iod  elmha n n E=A1tdi=A2nbeeue Ntotm=E2eNRxeca
>
> PSK31
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Olivia 8 x 250
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbj<"g0nbd  kkk z34QU
> @DK   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQXs[ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk Q cY9L,'6   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd
> g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  0}^)  g0nbd
> CQ C1@#Q DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk H1R7Y
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING=20
> NOW
> - 1615 HRS
>
> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in=20
> parallel
>
> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running=20
> on
>
> the same pc in beacon mode
>
> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference=20
> signal
> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>
> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>
> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>
> Running  3 mode beacon
>
> Dial set   502 khz usb
>
> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>
> 1250 hz   psk31
>
> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>
> Reports  welcome
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
> Io83LK
>
>
>
>
>



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> 13:10
>




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Subject: Re: LF: Dominof  olivia  8x250 Mode change DominoEX 1945 HRS 
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TIME ! =3D 1945 =3D =20

Power approx  25 watts per mode =3D 50 mW erp per mode=20

tnx- G ..=20


From: Graham=20
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:48 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: LF: Dominof olivia 8x250 Mode change DominoEX 1745 hrs


CHANGE OF MODE

DOMINOEX  - AS OF  1745 HRS

TNX- G=20


From: Graham=20
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:52 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late=20



Running  data mode , DominoF and olivia  8x250  , wspr=20
power about 20  watts per mode ..tx set started  1630

502 khz - usb

using  two multipsk in beacon mode , frequencies  centre marker , wspr tone=20=
1550 hz=20

Dominof    1300 hz
olivia        900 hz
wspr         1550 hz (33% tx)

Never used the Domino system , looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250=20
same 3 lines of text for each.

Due to  tr switching problems , no rx=20

Graham
G0NBD
IO83LK=20




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<DIV>TIME ! =3D 1945 =3D&nbsp; </DIV>
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<DIV>Power approx&nbsp; 25 watts per mode =3D 50 mW erp per mode </DIV>
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<DIV>tnx- G .. </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dg8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.c=
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: Dominof olivia 8x250 Mode change DominoEX 1745=20
hrs</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>CHANGE OF MODE</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>DOMINOEX&nbsp; - AS OF&nbsp; 1745 HRS</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late=20
</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Running&nbsp; data mode=20=
,=20
DominoF and olivia&nbsp; 8x250&nbsp; , wspr </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>power about 20&nbsp; wat=
ts per=20
mode ..tx set started&nbsp; 1630</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>502 khz - usb</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>using&nbsp; two multipsk=
 in=20
beacon mode , frequencies&nbsp; centre marker , wspr tone 1550 hz </FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>Dominof&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;1300 hz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>olivia&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;900=20
hz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>wspr&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1550 hz=20
(33% tx)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Never used the Domino sy=
stem ,=20
looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>same 3 lines of text for=
=20
each.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Due to&nbsp; tr switchin=
g=20
problems , no rx </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Graham</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>G0NBD</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>IO83LK </FONT></DIV>
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Decodes from M0BMU and G0NBD.

2356 -23  1.2   0.503547  0 G0NBD IO83 27
2358  -3  0.1   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30
0004  -6  3.3   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30
0008 -25  1.3   0.503547  0 G0NBD IO83 27

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: LF: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight


Jim,

Running 50 watts to the array, that's about 100mW erp

assume your at 1 w ?

G

Nb- tnx all for reports



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>
> Dear Graham, Andy, LF Group,
>
> Now copying G0NDB on 503.548 according to the WSPR decode window. Graham's
> signal is about S3 here.
>
> I intend to have the beacon running overnight with the same settings, so
> let's hope for the best!
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>



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>




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Mal

0005 QSL 73

peaks +5 above lots of noise...

R QSL TU

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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:30:06 -0000
"mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

> Tonight another episode of transmissions taking up about 1 khz of
> spectrum in a 3 khz allocation.
> I think the time has come to ask OFCOM for their opinion. These are
> not experimental transmissions,  just established modes generating
> QRM to the rest of the 500 khz community



Mal,

Of course, as usual, you are wrong.

These OLIVIA/MFSK experiments are trying to establish the relative
performance of various coding and modulation schemes on a band that
hitherto has been dominated by high power manual telegraphy.

If any mode can be considered to be an "established mode" it's your
beloved CW.

The flurry of interest and activity when a new datamode it tested is in
stark contrast to, as you frequently decry, the low level of CW useage.

The datmode experimenters are using the band for the purpose it was
released by OFCOM, experimantation. OFCOM aren't going to care if an
experiment uses the full 3kHz, if that's what it takes to generate
useful data for those involved. If you can't find anywhere to send your
repetetive "CQ CQ CQ QSK QSX 3533" beacon transmissions then that's a
small price to pay. More people are gaining useful insights, which is
the purpose of the exercise.

You, it could be said, are trying to use 500kHz as a "normal" amateur
band with inane "599  = QRU = 73" QSOs intended to show no scientific
value or "self learning" whatsoever.

If you don't like it - then go elsewhere, leave the true experimentation
to those more capable.





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Dear Graham, LF Group,

I think the sensible thing to do would be to try it for a while, and see if 
people report problems.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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>
> Are we to  adopt  502.400 Hz  USB dial frequency for WSPR ?
> With  1500 Hz audio centre band tone.



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Jim et al,

you're visible here also at -18 dB.

The band is fairly quiet tonight. Twice for a few minutes around 23:23 and 23:33, there were strong Luxembourg sideband carriers 
simultaneously on both HGA and DCF. They were apparently caused by a 1054 Hz sinusoidal modulation test tone (sidebands at 136.484, 
75 uV/m and 137.776 kHz, 13 uV/m). There was also a -20 dB second harmonic component (137.538, 6 uV/m and 136.722, 1.5 uV/m), due to 
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Hello LF!
Good signal from WD2XKO, but I am able see only traces of it. Signal from RA=
3YO is 25dB above noise (and 0.6Hz above XKO) and destroy XKO signal on my m=
onitor - as you can see on the picture. It is something new on T/A freq. Tra=
nsmitting in Europe when it is good time for W stations.=20

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Hello LF!<br>Good signal from WD2XKO, but I am able see only traces of it. S=
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How about that? 

- simultaneous decodes from Jim and Markus!


233159   8  -1  1.8   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
233959   5   0  1.6   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
234559   7   5  1.6   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
234559   1 -24  3.4    59  0  DF6NM JN59 23  

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM  
     
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Copy from Jim, but not Markus :-(

233159   8  -1  1.8   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23       

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM  






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Hello Markus,
Many thanks! Samplerate my sound card 96 khz, deviation 14 hz. I have tried all possible variants
of reception which were advised to me by you and other participants rsgb-reflector. But the positive
result is not present. Tried to accept also program WSJT7. And I with pleasure would try to change
the sound card, but I work with a laptop. I stop attempts of reception WSPR until then when there
will be a possibility to experiment with other computer.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV



> Hi Andrey,
>
> this has been mentioned before - have you checked your ADC samplerate? See http://www.wsprnet.org/drupal/node/339. If tx and rx
> samplerate deviated by say only 0.3% (ie. 36 Hz from 12 kHz), the bit timing would have shifted by half a symbol duration at the 
> end
> of the 162 bit message. I started having doubts about my own DAC rate when Graham reported negative decoding, but the TX audio
> frequency seems to be correct to within a fraction of a Hz. You could roughly check the rx samplerate by injecting a known 1.5 
> kHz
> tone and use WSPR spectrogram which resolves ~ 0.1%. Regarding other digital modes, I recall that samplerate was very critical 
> for
> WOLF which relies on a coherent bit frame over a long integration period. On the other hand, it's not much of an issue for PSK31
> which is "freerunning" only for a few symbols.
>
> The maximum tolerable PC clock error between tx and rx seems to be 2.2 seconds. This was the last displayed dt offset before I 
> lost
> track of Jim's consistent signal the other morning. My PC clock is slightly slow and would need resetting more often. But you
> mentioned you have that under tight control.
>
> The WSPR program does not seem to be disturbed or overloaded by strong out-of band signals. Inserting a 200 Hz filter before the
> decoder made no difference at all, even though the total audio power was reduced by 20 or 30 dB. I also did not see any 
> degradation
> when I used very low audio levels. The WSPR spectrogram seems to have a display leveling similar to the Argo AGC option, as the
> colours do not change when the audio gain is varied.
>
> Best wishes
> Markus, DF6NM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrey rn3agc" <rn3agc@mail.ru>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:56 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR does not work
>
>
> Hello Johan, James, LF,
> Many thanks for the help! Yesterday WSPR-signal DF6NM
> passed here from time to time much more strongly, than the day
> before yesterday. But decoding still was not. I have installed WSJT7.
> If again the result is negative, the problem most likely in a sound card
> means. Though to this case without problems decoded any amateur
> digital protocols.
>
> 73
> Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV
>
>
> 



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Hello Victor , Dex  and LF ,

Yes ! WD2XKO visible on the grabber 23:00>08:00  no-stop !!!! (EM95tg >=20
JN06ht =3D 6636 km )

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj


victor13@online.nl a =E9crit :
> Captured 8:00z
> 137777.6
>
> 73
>
> Victor
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

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We three seem to have met a wayfaring signal last night on 502400 dial, 
namely on 503980+/-

Near the top part of the bandpass window was a fairly strong sig that caused 
false decodes and uploads which would appear to have come from LN20. Not 
likely...
It was the ID sideband of a NDB station with a carrier on 505 which covers 
most of the Atlantic seaboard with the ID of NEED.
QRN did not let up last night for more copy from across the pond. Am working 
on that.

Gudday from Dave @ FN42pb





----- Original Message ----- 
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>I too saw a quite strong signal last night which didn't decode. It was 
>around
> 503.97 kHz and almost as strong as M0BMU, who was perfectly audible most 
> of the
> time. There was no "banana effect" on the waterfall so it was stable 
> enough. I'd
> guess problem is caused by a soundcard sampling frequency error.
>
> 73
> Johan SM6LKM
>
> ----
>
> John P-G wrote:
>> I see others reporting inconsistent decodes of you on the chat page at
>> WSPRnet, so it's not just me.
>
> 



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TNX Jim, I'm all ears and ARGO


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dear Dave, LF Group
>
> That is DCF39, a utility in DL, with around 40kW ERP. It is quite a good 
> indicator for trans-atlantic propagation. The breaks are short bursts of 
> FSK data.
>
> The best QRG depends on what you want to collect. DF6NM is operating DFCW 
> on about 136.309kHz at the moment. I will probably be running the WSPR 
> beacon again in a few minutes on 137.5kHz. Other frequencies/modes can be 
> arranged...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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>
>
> I have a sig ( carrier with quick break ) on 138.830 ( dcf39??) that is 
> 30db above my noise and it keys a carrier with a break about every 10 
> seconds with occasional short breaks, something like NIST on 60kc. but 
> slower...
>
> What do I have??
>
> Where is best QRG for collecting EU ham sigs??
>
>
>
> TNX
>
> Dave - WD2XSH/17
>
>
> 



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Hello Jim,
Big signal here -8db, audible:
221400   8 -15  1.0    10  0  M0BMU IO91 30       =20
221600   0 -30 -3.8    87  3                      =20
222000   0 -27  5.6    72  1                      =20
222200   7  -8  1.0    10  0  M0BMU IO91 30

vy73
Marco
DD7PC

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<mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> ] On Behalf Of James Moritz
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Dear LF Group,

I plan to operate the WSPR beacon again on 503.51kHz +/- RF (0.502MHz
"dial
frequency") from around 2200utc. Any reports would be very welcome.  The
TX will be on 33% duty cycle, so if anyone else wants to join in, I
should be able to give reports too.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DVerdana>Hello Jim,<BR>Big signal here -8db,=20
audible:<BR>221400&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 -15&nbsp; 1.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 10&nbsp;=20
0&nbsp; M0BMU IO91=20
30&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>221600&nbsp;&nbsp; 0 -=
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3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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7&nbsp; <STRONG><FONT color=3D#ff0000>-8</FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;=20
1.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 10&nbsp; 0&nbsp; M0BMU IO91=20
30<BR><BR>vy73<BR>Marco<BR>DD7PC<BR><BR></FONT>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [</FONT><A  href=
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Behalf Of James Moritz<BR>Sent: 07 January 2009 21:34<BR>To:=20
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tonight<BR><BR>Dear LF Group,<BR><BR>I plan to operate the WSPR beacon again=
 on=20
503.51kHz +/- RF (0.502MHz "dial<BR>frequency") from around 2200utc. Any rep=
orts=20
would be very welcome.&nbsp; The TX will be on 33% duty cycle, so if anyone=20=
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Dear LF Group,

The M0BMU WSPR beacon went QRT just after 0900utc. Many thanks for all the 
reports; for last night, so far this includes G3WCB, G3XVL, G3RMD, GM4ISM, 
M0LMH, NL9222, F4DTL, F4EMV, F5WK, SQ7MPJ, TF3HZ and I2PHD - I think thats 
it!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Good morning Henny,
as Andrey wrote yes it was my transmission.
Many thanks for your report.=20
=20
vy73
Marco
DD7PC, JN49ax
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(ZL1BPU Exciter, G0MRF Mosfet PA, 34m wire (7m vertical, 27m horizontal,
8m above ground), 150W input)

  _____ =20

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of henny van elst
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Hi All,
capture 137khz DD7?
Hnny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
verzonden:
DD7 28-01.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen
virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet
toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt
weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.=20

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ial  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Good morning Henny,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D215282909-29012009><FONT face=3DAr=
ial  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>as Andrey wrote yes it was my=20
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ial  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Many thanks for your report. </FONT></SPAN></D=
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ial  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>DD7PC, JN49ax</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D215282909-29012009><FONT face=3DAr=
ial  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D215282909-29012009><FONT face=3DAr=
ial  color=3D#0000ff size=3D1>(ZL1BPU Exciter, G0MRF Mosfet PA, 34m wire (7m=
 vertical,=20
27m horizontal, 8m above ground), 150W input)</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
=20
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>henny van=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>capture 137khz DD7?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hnny pa3cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het=20=
volgende=20
bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:<BR>DD7 28-01.jpg<BR><BR>Opmerking:=
=20
Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden=
 of=20
ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de=20
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=20
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I wondered that too. 2200 meters is a mess of Loran and other strange
signals over here also. maybe we all should push for some new
Experimental space down there and later get it turned into an Amateur
Band???<br>
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Mike<br>
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/16<br>
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Jim wrote:
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  <br>
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I don't know... but it was probably the same as the reason for which
the 73kHz band was withdrawn at about the same time that all the
utilities which had been operating inside or near that part of the
spectrum were decomissioned ;-)
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Cheers, Jim Moritz
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73 de M0BMU
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Mal wrote:<br>
  <br>
  <br>
Does anyone know why 137 khz was chosen as an amateur allocation, in
that freq area it is the most polluted part, clobbered at both ends by
commercial high power transmitters... <br>
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Andy,

Just checked, each system is round 45 watts peak , showing 90 to  100 watts=20
peak o/p when olivia and mfsk  running , peak hight not changed .. just=20
under the exciter alc limit ... amazing just  how much more power  these=20
multi tone systems  consum

I stopped the psk31 stream early on as Gary was reporting miss prints ..=20
might of pushed the sound card a bit close to the edge .. rf looked ok but=20
hard to  tell looking at the spectrum plot

getting a good 2 tone test pattern off olivia , which is maintained when=20
mfsk runs , pa is only running 50% peak o/p

tnx for the observations and posts

G ...

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From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:33 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -=20
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Looks like 200Hz and 250Hz to me - looking at three spectrograms, amd
> not even properly filling the spaces in between fully.  So occupied
> bandwidth is less than spread.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>> Its not a few hundred hertz it is SEVERAL hundred hertz.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot"=20
>> <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>
>>
>> I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
>> throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
>> important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
>> particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
>> getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
>> but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
>> poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.
>>
>> So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
>> over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
>> fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
>> much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
>> QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>>
>>> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
>>> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
>>> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot"
>>> <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
>>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>>
>>>
>>>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>>>
>>>> OLIVIA :
>>>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>>>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<=
Uq
>>>> 8
>>>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>>>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>>>> gnbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>>>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0n=
bd
>>>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MFSK8
>>>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  =D9*BwkiroN9 -in=F0?Sd=DB4=BFhIa lr
>>>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog  rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez;  uETqioB Vae   n Ct W
>>>> amSdeMe=D4dYbV*=C5=AD  ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq =BCeeawi=
 i
>>>> =C0thiei=9A=B8etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jt=9E;a=BA o=BAnJ=BAo
>>>> a I=A4narLx=FDikc igq'<anel6
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lro&"t l=D6
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pAbd  g0nbd
>>>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =ADiefo&
>>>> kD kk e e0enm o=A7 HbecOgh=C9o  eno fsewtit,es m=CCx=AAoitn 'Xei eaer=
=FEii
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>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk rBt=F28e=E6 t=B6=ADknmm)mL   io=20=
4Eek a
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>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=E2pg H Jant0n9=A8j=B7eoet n
>>>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=F4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>>>> a=B1 rotet a=DC Foe2_vl=A7ms=ED t=CCk  t=3D l=C5 edCQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd=20=
 g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =AB=F2ee
>>>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>>>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>>>
>>>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Gary
I am worried because I cannot see your 137 khz grabber. I worked F6BWO earli=
er today on LF cw so I know all is well, but there is not a LF grabber in si=
ght at present, even the Russians are QRT.
LF/MF is looking grim at present.
Mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:10 PM
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  Mal,

  =20

  You had me worried there! I thought my grabbers were not operating but I j=
ust checked & yes they are running OK at :-

  =20

  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html

  =20

  and

  =20

  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html

  =20

  Cheers,

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT.

  =20


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  =20

  Acty vy low at present on LF/MF considering we are in the middle of Winter=
 and the DX season.

  Even the GRABBERS have gone QRT !!!!

  de mal/g3kev

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gary</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am worried because I cannot see your&nbsp=
;137 khz=20
grabber. I worked F6BWO earlier today on LF cw so I know all is well, but th=
ere=20
is not a LF grabber in sight at present, even the Russians are QRT.</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>LF/MF is looking grim at present.</FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE   style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5=
px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary -=20
  G4WGT</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:=
10=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: LOW ACTY LF/MF</DI=
V>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">Mal,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">You=20
  had me worried there! I thought my grabbers were not operating but I just=20
  checked &amp; yes they are running OK at :-<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></=
P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><A     href=3D"http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html">http://=
myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B><=
/P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
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l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">and<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><A     href=3D"http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html">http://=
myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B><=
/P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">Gary=20
  =96 G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <DIV>
  <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><FONT =20=
   face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=20=
12pt">
  <HR tabIndex=3D-1 align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
  </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US  =20=
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</S=
PAN></FONT></B><FONT     face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US     style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A     href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-<st1:PersonName     w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group=
@blacksheep.org</A></st1:PersonName>=20
  [mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName     w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</st1:PersonName>] <B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </S=
PAN></B>mal <st1:City     w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:p=
lace></st1:City><BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B=
> 24 January 2009 17:50<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPA=
N></B> rsgb<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>=20=
LF: LOW ACTY=20
  LF/MF</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Acty vy low at present on LF/MF=20
  considering we are in the middle of Winter and the DX=20
  season.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Even the GRABBERS have gone QRT=20
  !!!!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">de=20
  mal/g3kev</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
  <P>
  <HR>

  <P></P><BR>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG -=20
  http://www.avg.com <BR>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.13/1912 -=
=20
  Release Date: 1/23/2009 6:54 PM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Hello Markus , Lubos ,

Markus Vester a =C3=A9crit :
> ... the strong noise bands were caused by Luxembourg effect=20
> (ionospheric crossmodulation) from a strong LF or MF broadcasting=20
> transmitter onto the DCF39 carrier. When the "heater" is modulated by=20
> music, the spectrum often shows distinct bands related to the tones of=20
> the musical scale. Attached is a grabber snapshot just after 2:10,=20
> with DF colours rotated to bluegreen. The band near 137.78 kHz is=20
> clearly visible.
huummmm ! Markus , I do not think that it is of =E2=80=9C Luxembourg effect=
=E2=80=9D=20
because at the same time when Lubos and me
noted the phenomenon, I were in direction of 295 =C2=B0 (the USA) in this=20
direction I never noted of =E2=80=9C Luxembourg effect=E2=80=9D
I thus think that it came besides !!!! ??????
> Despite some distant QRN, very good signals from XKO and WD2XKO were=20
> visible through most of the night, with the last "J" coming through as=20
> late as 9:15.
Here I copied it until passed 9:30 ( see on my grabber )
>
> Markus, DF6NM
Have you could see your signal on the grabber of Laurence in China ?

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj







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Graham,

still 100% copy.
Even when competing with Jim, who is 30dB stronger and only 50Hz up it =20
works fine.
Btw, Jim is pushing the "noise level" reported by WSJT7 about 12dB up.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:

> Ok Rick,
>
> Well at the moment gary is reporting -8 at 22 miles in ground wave,  ,
> the power meter is moving the width of the needle and the power must be
> round 200/300 mW to the aE
>
> Ive set 100 % tx as the rx is jammed with 100 Hz noise sidebands  and
> wspr is uploading 'odd' things hihi . but at this level dont need the
> pa fan !
>
> I will leave it like this for a while .. see what comes back
>
> Tnx- G ..
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:12 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae .. geting silly !!!
>
>>
>> Graham,
>>
>> at 20:58 it was -19dB SNR.
>> I have been able to decode as weak as -30dB, so 50mW would do the job.
>>
>> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>>
>> Quoting Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>>
>>> Just had this spot from OR7T  ....  500 mW feed power  to  35 ft top
>>> loaded vertical ..!
>>>
>>> 2009-01-30 20:50   G0NBD   0.503952   -21   0   IO83lk   +13   0.020
>>> OR7T JO20ix   594   369
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:36 PM
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Still looks to  be working at range .. outstanding !
>>>>
>>>> all I can do  next is take the drive from the exciter direct to the Ae=20=
?
>>>> G ..
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:28 PM
>>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>>> Subject: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok All ,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well   from what I can measure  , power to the Ae is  500mW at the mom=
ent
>>>>> as of about 20-25 hrs ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Initial level was 30 watts  feed
>>>>>
>>>>> See what happens ?
>>>>>
>>>>> G ..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>>> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1925 - Release  =20
>>>>> Date: 01/30/09
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Dear Graham, LF Group,

Quite interesting to watch the two modes (BTW, the continuous text gives a 
much better comparison, thanks). At present, signal strength has improved a 
lot, and both signals are clearly audible between fades, which are 20dB or 
more (see attachment). When near maximum, both modes print almost 100%; the 
FEC version corrects the occasional error due to static cracks and pops, so 
has fewer errors, but throughput is only half. When there are bigger 
crashes, errors appear in the FEC copy as well, and it seems to take longer 
for FEC to "recover", so there are also more gaps in the copy, although 
probably less actual printed errors. It also seems to take longer for the 
FEC mode to recover after a deep fade. So the FEC does something, but in 
this implementation, not really what you want... I suspect it would be more 
advantageous to go to the narrower-band Domino EX4 sub-mode rather than use 
the FEC.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Hi James and All

One feature that has not really been discussed is the average feature 
offered in JT65.  It allows the user to average sync'd sequences that 
have not been decoded.  jt65 can positively identify the snyc 
information down to -33.   This would allow JT65 to copy down to -33 
given the determination to do so.  I have had much success using this on 
the 2m EME path and would only expect it to work better on LF given the 
greater stability of the path.

The biggest disadvantage to anything longer than QRSS3 on DX LF paths is 
the fading.  It has driven me nuts watching a signal come up, copy a 
couple of letters or parts there of and then back to nothing.  A viable 
DX mode on LF must be quick enough to deal with fairly short lifts and 
smart enough to remember the bits it did get in a lift to be used in the 
next lift...

My gut tells me that the LF DXer of the future will be using modes like 
WSPR,  JT65 or JT4A or similar in relatively short periods using an 
integration feature in software to grasp every scrap of signal received 
and put it to use.  This is where the operator becomes the critical 
link.  They must be able to make judgments on what to add to the buffer 
and what to reject and navigate the plethora of other issues that comes 
up while scraping the bottom of the band.

One final note, a JT65 user should play with the SYNC setting.  After 
alittle experience with the software under fire you'll know what to do 
with it.

73 Scott
VE7TIL

PS - I did take a considerable amount of data during Jay's runs and can 
say that on a QRSS3 ARGO grab not much is visible in the -25 and beyond 
range... 

James Moritz wrote:
>
> Dear David, LF Group,
>
> The WSJT modes are certainly effective, and quite easy to use . 
> However it should be noted that there is something of a disparity in 
> terms of ERP - The WE2XGR licences permit up to 200W ERP. I don't know 
> what the ERP of XGR/2 is, but looking at the station details on Jay's 
> web pages, I guess it must be a good deal more than 1W! So getting 
> signals from UK -> USA is likely to be a bit more difficult.
>
> The dB level refers to the SNR in a bandwidth of 2.5kHz, and this 
> reference point is used for all the WSJT programmes. The WSPR beacon 
> signals have decoded successfully down to about -30dB, so should give 
> a bit more margin still - M0BMU has been decoded a few times across 
> the pond using WSPR at the 1W ERP level; I have not tried JT65A yet.
>
> It is a bit hard to compare the signal levels required to produce 
> readable QRSS and successful decodes of JT65 / WSPR by looking at 
> off-air signals. I got the impression looking at the XGR/2 signals 
> using Spectrum Lab that the levels producing successful decodes were a 
> good QRSS3 level, and perhaps a marginal QRSS1 level, but more 
> systematic tests would be required. The bandwidth required by QRSS3 is 
> about 0.3Hz, which would improve the SNR by 39dB compared to the 
> 2500Hz WSJT reference bandwidth. I reckon you need 6dB or so SNR to 
> copy QRSS, so that would put QRSS3 at about -33dB on the WSJT scale, 
> but this takes no account of varying signal levels.
>
> I think the most important benefit when these modes are compared with 
> QRSS, etc. is the increased data rate. If you were to send "WE2XGR/2 
> FN31" as QRSS, it would take around 160 bit periods, about 8 minutes 
> at QRSS 3, as against 1 minute for JT65A and 2 minutes for WSPR. DFCW 
> would be quicker, at about 3.3 minutes. The reduced time period should 
> allow you to take advantages of short periods of higher signal 
> strength in the QSB. It seems to be unusual to see periods of several 
> minutes when a deep fade does not occur
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <G0MRF@aol.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:01 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: WE2XGR/2 in JT65A mode last night
>
>
>>
>> Interesting result Jim / Jay.
>>
>> I assume that the figure that varies between -17 and -23 is the receive
>> value in dB.
>> Given the observation about local noise then it may be the case that 
>> UK -
>> USA could be achieved with 6 to 9dB less power.
>
>
>


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Yes Chris.
Convert the alphabet into Murray code then binary, and everything then 
appears as 0 and 1 in its simplest form.

mal/g3kev

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Dear Mal and others,


> Come on Jim, learn the Murray code.


Prof. Tony Brooker, who wrote the first compiler compiler and later became 
Essex University's first Professor of Computing, once told me that he used 
to use Murray's code in his early days. Not on the radio, but for 
programming, sometimes in absolute binary. He commented that you got to know 
that if, for instance, the character was a an inverted comma and you wanted 
to set bit 4 then it became a digit 7 (or a letter U, at taste).

They didn't eat quiche in those days.


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Hi John, LF,

You wrote :-
As to power reporting, I see that most people on LF/MF are attempting
to estimate ERP, and use this figure in the beacon data.

This aspect of power reporting method has been briefly discussed on LF but
even on the HF bands there may well be as large a difference in antenna
gains as there is on 500KHz.

I believe that we should adopt the recommended WSPR standard then all the
reporting is the same whether it is HF, MF or LF.

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.



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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:24:23 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.
>
Hello Gary, LF,

I'm getting a fairly reliable signal from you, with just enough QSB to
dip under the decoding margin from time to time.

As to power reporting, I see that most people on LF/MF are attempting
to estimate ERP, and use this figure in the beacon data.

There was much discussion on the WSPR forum on the merits or otherwise
of this approach, in the HF sphere at least.

It might be easier if we adopted the same approach as is recommended
for HF use - to report the actual TX power, not ERP.

I see your last beacon is reporting 3dBm! Wow... that really is "flea
power". Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW
ERP from a large one.

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John
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Dear Graham, LF Group,

Still getting patchy copy with both Olivia and Domino EX11. The power levels 
seem to have dropped abruptly and then returned at least twice during the 
course of your test.

There does not seem to be a great difference between the two modes- I get 
some copy with either unless the signal has totally faded out, but it is 
hard to make a good comparison with only short CQ calls and rapidly changing 
signal levels.

An interesting experiment would be to compare the default domino EX11 mode 
with the same mode but with the FEC enabled. This would give a direct 
comparison between FEC and non-FEC modes

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Its not a few hundred hertz it is SEVERAL hundred hertz.

----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - 
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.

So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" 
> <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>
>> OLIVIA :
>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<Uq
>> 8
>> &F=44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>> gnbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=vh=Ht*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>
>>
>> MFSK8
>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  Ù*BwkiroN9 -inð?SdÛ4¿hIa lr
>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog  rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez;  uETqioB Vae   n Ct W
>> amSdeMeÔdYbV*Å­  ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq ¼eeawi i
>> Àthieiš¸etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jtž;aº oºnJºo
>> a I¤narLxýikc igq'<anel6
>> rmmz e rke wxeûhC vo)o·dadª‹egseey(v e vt sce\ wVsccon  t"tciu
>> tt£h,iFtI¼v lre¦eekún €i zàÂUP nve ½ùI t$   : nNe t  lro&"t lÖ
>> e·÷RenuIoqemfep ,¤esss­fer ttê oequea8  ¤d§]xaV°N~uÇ pAbd  g0nbd
>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   ­iefo&
>> kD kk e e0enm o§ HbecOghÉo  eno fsewtit,es mÌxªoitn 'Xei eaerþii
>> lscktleea it¥ nd·WmoEi­xirwn mdWã¦ 7euc eg%oa loPttst   CQ CQ CQ
>> DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk rBtò8eæ t¶­knmm)mL   io 4Eek a
>> oiiqa  o zt eoun cKlddù8 °o9aZnzåee  1  ¹tlTtii0q=i ielsaa nu 0 mPnúÿK
>> ³S¢ iwXätl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x pâpg H Jant0n9¨j·eoet n
>> gidCgrq.eutomuotôttaa? rGhEt!rc¤qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>> a± rotet aÜ Foe2_vl§msí tÌk  t= lÅ edCQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J «òee
>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=tedzqhdfdelie nU
>>
>>
>>
>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>
>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
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Jim,

   Very nice for a TRF!
Iceland is good here too, playing pop tunes in english at 00:35.
RX Cubic 3280dsp
Ant 2-turn K9AY (copied from F1AFJ's K9AY)
--=20
73 Warren K2ORS
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On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Dennis <Dennis.Hennig@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Really nice radio reception of Hellissandur 189kHz AM now in Berlin!
> distance is 2505km
> Power 300kW
> RX: TRF with MK484-IC,
> selection: one bandfilter and tuned antenna =3D 3 tuned cicuits
>
> I admit that I was out on the balcony after local midnight last night.
> Using a ladder and a looong fishing rod I managed to set up a wire loop
> from the balcony into the nearby tree with an estimated area
> of 30sqm (irregular shape), pointing Iceland.
>
> Good night!
> Dennis
>
>
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:14:26 +0000
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> I've started a grabber showing 503.5 - 504.1

Sorry - forgot the URL:

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Danke Markus!

I'm so positively surprised and if I had a bottle of Champagne it would be o=
pen
now. These are very encouraging reports. Perhaps time to start building a mo=
re
powerful transmitter now. The antenna is about as good as it gets on this
property. An elevated loading coil could be worth a try though as the vertic=
al
wire is very near one of the supporting trees and I suspect some of that hig=
hly
needed ERP is wasted in it.

Will keep the signal coming for a few more hours, the PSU seems to do the jo=
b=20
(PSU for my old retired Yaesu FT-250).

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>:

> ... this it what it looked like here at 20:18. Nice job with 20 mW!
>
> 73 - Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:18 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
>
>
> Dear Paul-Henrik, LF Group,
>
> Now building up to "O" copy...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>




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Jean-Pierre,
   Thank you for the report!
Only QRP power now, No time to fix the power supply for the big TX.
--=20
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                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
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> Hello Warren , LF ,
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> Very good copy of "XGJ" now!
> Are you in qro ? or qrp ?
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> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
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Hi LF Group,
 
Just been looking at the Database of tonights activity, and I'm reported at
700miles from GM4SLV
Yet G4WGT is only 460miles.
 
Has the database put the km in my miles column?
A known bug?
 
73,
Lee M0LMH.
 
 

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D788324521-30012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just been=20=
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the Database of tonights activity, and I'm reported at 700miles from=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D788324521-30012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yet G4WGT=20=
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460miles.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D788324521-30012009>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D788324521-30012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Has the da=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D788324521-30012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A known=20
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capture 137khz
henny pa3cpm
73s
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Ed
Strong at present de mal/g3kev qrv 502.57 khz

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Subject: LF: RU6LA's acty 3-4 jan


Dear LF enthusiasts!

My best wishes and a Happy New Year to all LF/MF enthusiasts!

TNX to all for QSOs, reports and captures of my last activity 13-14 dec!

I'll work 3-4 jan on 137 KHz band

In my plans is such:

- I'll do a beacon for the East (ZL/VK/BY/UA As...) from 1330z QRSS60
abt 137779 (sunset in KN97LN abt 1345z);

- I'll do a beacon for Northern America (if my beacon is interesting?)
from 23z QRSS60 abt 136319 (sunrise in KN97LN abt 0515z);

- 2way QSOs in CW/slow (my freq 137703) from abt 19z till abt 23z

I have very unstable Internet (GPRS) on the Machta ;-( - I can long
not answer msgs

73! Ed RU6LA   136.73.ru




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Dave
Although the smaller antennas work I have found the signals are well down 
compared  to the larger wire antennas.
My 40 metre resonated loop on 500 Kcs   is not as good as the 1/4 wave inv 
L, also I have noticed small loops in the target direction are well down on 
the bigger wire antennas. I am talking about weak signal detection.
de mal/g3kev

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> Noticed same thing here, Paul with e-antennas, so tried this and it serves
> well from 17.2 kc. to 6 meters.
> Pulled down all the other wire antennas, no more ground radials or top 
> load
> wires needed, plus is more quiet on RX.
> Gets out well on 600M too.  160M, 80M, 30M, it doesn't care where it
> tunes...
> Mostly no de-tuning with snow and wet...  ( maybe 2 kc. )
>
> TNX de Dave @ WD2XSH/17
>
> ref: www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP1107.jpg
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:12 AM
> Subject: Re: LF: 137 NIL
>
>
> Hello Mal, LF
>
>
> In my case it is still snowing here, no way to keep the antenna tuned atm.
> Short
> high impedance antennas are tricky to keep happy. Just like me they prefer
> dry
> weather and clear skies :)
>
> 73's
>
> Paul-Henrik
>
> Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
>> This band seems to have gone vy quiet again after a burst of recent acty.
>> Not
>> even a grabber active.
>>
>> de mal/g3kev
>
>
>
>
>


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Steve McDonald wrote:
>> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not already
>> taken place on MF.
>=20
> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
> Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover". Wouldn't it be
> wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
> What an amazing gift.
>=20
> VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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I thought I'd set an ERP of 25dBm in the setup, will have to check...
 My ERP is around that figure when hitting antenna with 80 Watts.

Not too happy with the WSPR windoze software.  The COM port operation
of Tx doesn't, properly.   On going from Tx to Rx it blips the RTS/DTR
lines but then stays with them active.  So the right port is selected
(COM1 ), but they are not toggling properly, just a quick blip.
Other software handles the DTR / RTS control properly.

Audio VOX required, methinks.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/25 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
> Hello Andy & LF,
>
> I've just started receiving WSPR transmission from Andy G4JNT, first
> decode seems to have been 0902 UTC
>
> All spots are being uploaded to WSPRnet
>
> Nice work, for daytime, almost 1100km, well done.
>
> Your WSPR signal impliesTX power of 0dBm - it that estimated ERP, or a
> configuration error?
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
>


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Hi, Markus.

WSPR copy this afternoon. Looks like the last two sequences didn't decode
properly - too weak I guess.

145800   6 -17  2.5    58  0  DF6NM JN59 17
150800   3 -21  2.5    57 -1  DF6NM JN59 17
151200   5 -20  2.5    58  0  DF6NM JN59 17
151600   1 -23  2.7    58  0  DF6NM JN59 17
153200   2 -28  2.8    57  0
153800   5 -23  2.7    58  0

73s Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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... good point, Jim. I will pledge the European Union to subsidize LF
amateurs for the erection of higher antennas - this would save
more kg of CO2 per Euro than providing incentives to buyers of new cars ;-))

I will turn on the DF6NM whisper beacon for a while now, 137568 Hz, 200 W
RF, 25% TX.

Regards,
 Markus DF6NM

----- Original Message -----
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Dear LF Group,

The WSPR beacon is now QRT - I'm giving the electricity meter a rest :-)

Thanks for all the reports yesterday / overnight.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU





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... good point, Jim. I will pledge the European Union to subsidize LF amateurs for the erection of higher antennas - this would save 
more kg of CO2 per Euro than providing incentives to buyers of new cars ;-))

I will turn on the DF6NM whisper beacon for a while now, 137568 Hz, 200 W RF, 25% TX.

Regards,
 Markus DF6NM

----- Original Message ----- 
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Dear LF Group,

The WSPR beacon is now QRT - I'm giving the electricity meter a rest :-)

Thanks for all the reports yesterday / overnight.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Thanks Henny and Victor for the captures of my brief tests!

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Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone 

centre frequency  503 khz 

tx mode usb 

power 30 watts tune signal 

Will send for next few hours 

Reports welcome 


Graham 

 



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Mal, LF,

I calculate that at this moment only 400Hz is in use with Graham's transmiss=
ion, surely you can find somewhere to operate without QRM.

I think that leaves 2.6KHz of the band left.

In fact I can see & hear your signals with no problem at all.

Gary - G4WGT.

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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUN=
NING NOW - 1615 HRS

Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you=20
cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!

----- Original Message -----=20
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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -=20
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


>A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>
> OLIVIA :
> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
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> gnbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z!
}dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb
S g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>
>
> MFSK8
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> a I=C2=A4narLx=C3=BDikc igq'<anel6
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wVsccon  t"tciu
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=15=C2=BD=C3=B9I t$   : nNe t  lro&"t l=C3=96
> e=C2=B7=C3=B7RenuIoqemfep ,=C2=A4esss=C2=ADfer tt=C3=AA oequea8  =C2=A4d=
=C2=A7]xaV=C2=B0N~u=C3=87 pAbd  g0nbd
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> kD kk e e0enm o=C2=A7 HbecOgh=C3=89o  eno fsewtit,es m=C3=8Cx=C2=AAoitn 'X=
ei eaer=C3=BEii
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ttst   CQ CQ CQ
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)mL   io 4Eek=C2=8Da
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ielsaa nu 0 mPn=C3=BA=C3=BFK
> =C2=B3S=C2=A2 iwX=C3=A4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=C3=A2pg H Jant0n9=C2=A8j=C2=B7e=
oet n
> gidCgrq.eutomuot=C3=B4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=C2=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
> a=C2=B1 rotet a=C3=9C Foe2_vl=C2=A7ms=C3=AD t=C3=8Ck  t=3D l=C3=85 edCQ CQ=
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> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
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> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>
>
>
> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>
> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>


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Dear Johan, Graham, LF Group,

If the shorter frame length is due to a sample rate error, there should also 
be a corresponding upward shift in the audio output frequencies. If we take 
M0LMH's figure of 1.5 seconds shorter, the M0BMU PC as being correct, and a 
frame length around 110s this implies a sample rate error of about 1.4%. 
This means that the audio coming out of Graham's PC at around 1500Hz should 
be about 20Hz higher than the nominal value. Is there actually a significant 
frequency error, Graham?

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Dear Jim, LF,
>
> that is a clear evidence of a soundcard sampling rate error. I am quite 
> sure
> that all timing in the WSPR software is derived from the sampling 
> frequency and,
> if memory serves me, the WSPR program uses a sampling rate of 12kHz. If 
> the
> soundcard does not support this rate and/or has a "physical" sampling rate 
> that
> is not a multiple of 12kHz (for example 44.1 kHz), then the driver or 
> window$
> will kick in a "resampler" between the soundcard and the WSPR application 
> which
> is asking for 12kHz. Many such resamplers are known to be inaccurate...
>
> 73
> Johan SM6LKM
> 



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Hello Mal, LF

I will consider a new frequency for tomorrow, right now I know some people h=
ave
set up their systems logging overnight in the hope to find something there i=
n
the morning and I can only want to make short excursions elsewhere.

Keep the QRG suggestions coming. How about 136.80 or 137.00kHz? I'm not fami=
liar
with the LORAN QRM etc. you are experiencing there. 136.50kHz got thumbs dow=
n
already yesterday so it needs to be higher than that.

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Paul
> Your freq is too low because of the qrm around 136 khz. A better freq woul=
d
> be 136.5 or higher.
> mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:02 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
>
>
> Thanks for the report Mal!
>
> Happy to send some lower frequency signals back in return for all those
> received
> on 600 metres. Looks like the OH-G path is still in the same good shape it
> used
> to be when Reino was still active on the band.
>
> 73's
>
> Paul-Henrik
>
> Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
> > Paul
> > Good copy ere now OOO at 2048 utc have good photo
> > mal/g3kev
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the screenshot Jim!
> >
> > Amazing, I thought it would take more to make it down there. It is good=20=
to
> > be
> > back on 136 after a 12 year break. My best DX back then was the Karlsbor=
g
> > expedition in Sweden (7S6SAJ)
> >
> > 73's
> >
> > Paul-Henrik
> >
> > Quoting James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
> >
> > > Dear Paul-Henrik,
> > >
> > > Now copying your QRSS3 - see attachment. Signal is recovering from QSB=
.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Jim Moritz
> > > 73 de M0BMU
> >
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Went to PSK31 for a one way QSO with G0API a few minutes ago.  Dropped
to 503.4 for that so hope it didn't splatter your reception of JIm.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/25 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:34:34 -0000
>
>>
>> You're very strong - would be clearly readable as CW;  JNT is rather
>> weaker but audible.
>
>
> Hello Jim, LF,
>
> Currently listening to your QSO on CW with Chas. This is the first time
> I think I've heard you on "real man's CW". Even in wideband mode, so I
> can continue the WPSR monitoring, you're a good 539 in the old money.
>
> G4JNT is still decoding on WSPR, and is also now audible, although the
> poor old 400MHz laptop is struggling to decode in the presence of the
> CW.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> GM4SLV
> Clousta, Shetland
>
>


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Hi John
copy attached
73
dave G8SZX


John RABSON wrote:
> Maplin have been selling these but their paper catalogue does not seem to give detailed characteristics and doing an online search of their catalogue is not practicable as I am typically getting 14.4kb/s on dialup*, which means it takes a minute or more to repaint the page.  
>
> I tried e-mailing them but have not had a reply.  
>
> aL is easy to estimate with a few turns and an inductance meter, but I would like to know more about these materials.  Can anyone help, please? 
>
> John F5VLF
> *we are promised ADSL in a few weeks but I have been here before  
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Dear Mal,


Thanks again for your thoughts.

>  It used to be that a class A amateur had an advantage over the general pu=
blic by being able to converse in morse code, just like another language exc=
ept it was totally international.

Morse certainly has many advantages, but remember that it's not a language a=
s such: it's a sort of alphabet to represent languages.
For instance your Morse is far better than mine, but if I sent you
.-  .-..  ..     --..  .  .-..  ..  -  .    -.-  .-  ...-  ---
would you pop round for some? (I admit that's not quite right, as I don't kn=
ow how to put the accent over the Z and I've forgotten the Morse for questio=
n mark.)
A knowledge of the Q code allows you to hold rubber-stamp QSOs with people w=
ho don't speak your language, but not to chew the rag over (e.g.) what you t=
hink of the new US president or what's happening on Coronation Street.


> Even a worse senario, a lot of persons today cannot write, the norm is to=20=
use a keypad and send text messages using some abbreviated gibbirish, gramma=
r is not required, sort of pigeon english.=20

The standard of English of school leavers certainly is a problem today, at l=
east in Britain.
However, no-one's perfect: for example it's gibberish not gibbirish, and Eng=
lish not english.
As for grammar, I'm afraid your sentence structure punctuation leave "sort o=
f pigeon english" as a major clause, which needs a verb to be grammatical ;-=
(  We all write in abbreviations at times.
(Before anyone takes Mal to task for pigeon, I checked with the Concise Oxfo=
rd and it gives pigeon as a perfectly acceptable alternative to pidgin.)


The abbreviated forms one reads sometimes irritate me too, but I can underst=
and the logic. I think these derive from sending TXTs (used to be called SMS=
s) on mobile phones. If I had to send much from a keyboard with 12 keys to r=
epresent all the letters, digits and punctuation marks I'd start abbreviatin=
g, I think. Nor is this new: telegraphese started with telegrams, to keep th=
e word count down (for financial reasons in that case). Nearer to home, Mors=
e operators use a wide range of abbreviations which must be gibberish to out=
siders: not just the Q code, but many others such as ES for AND, and HI whic=
h apparently doesn't refer to how tall something is ;-)


Languages evolve, and the test tends to be "Does it work?" We shall see whet=
her TXTese (so to speak) is here to stay or turns out to be a ten-year fad.


73,
Chris G4OKW


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2009/1/7 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:
> hi Warren,
> capture XGJ
> henny pa3cpm
> 73s
> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
> verzonden:
> XGJ 07-01.jpg
>
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> Just started WSPR again, and see a nice bright trace at approx 503.965
> in the 20:40 slot, but again no decode. I see no-one else reported a
> successful decode on WSPRnet at that time either. Looks like still some
> problem?

Could it be that the station that does not decode, albeit being received
strong, is not correctly time aligned ? Dimension4 is a very nice tool
for this. And it is also free...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Active 126.27 khz 2 strong carriers transmitted. Carrier duration 100 secs 2=
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Gary, Rik, John, Andy
 
That's the distance I worked it out at too.
But interestingly 434miles is 700km as Andy confirms.
 
My Locator is correct IO93gx Harrogate, North of Leeds.
 
Do you see km and miles Rik?
I have 1127km 700mi showing on John's spots.
 
Gary and I are within an hours drive.
Certainly not the case to IP90gg, how's the wine doing John?
 
Lee M0LMH.

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Lee, LF,

 

I have checked and :-

 

IO83qp to IP90gg = 460 miles

IO93gx to IP90gg = 434 miles

 

Have you got your locator correct?

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

 


  _____  


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Hi LF Group,

 

Just been looking at the Database of tonights activity, and I'm reported at
700miles from GM4SLV

Yet G4WGT is only 460miles.

 

Has the database put the km in my miles column?

A known bug?

 

73,

Lee M0LMH.

 

 

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Gary,=20
Rik, John, Andy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
ze=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>That's=20
the distance I worked it out at too.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>But=20
interestingly 434miles is 700km as Andy confirms.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
ze=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>My=20
Locator is correct IO93gx Harrogate, North of Leeds.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
ze=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Do you=20
see km and&nbsp;miles Rik?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>I have=20
1127km 700mi showing on John's spots.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
ze=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Gary=20
and I are within an hours drive.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
ze=3D2>Certainly not the case to IP90gg, how's the wine doing=20
John?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
ze=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Lee=20
M0LMH.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
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  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FON=
T    face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org]=20
  <B>On Behalf Of </B>Gary - G4WGT<BR><B>Sent:</B> 30 January 2009=20
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:=20
  WSPR Distance<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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">I=20
  have checked and :-<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
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style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
">IO83qp=20
  to IP90gg =3D 460 miles<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
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AN></FONT></B><FONT    face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US    style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> owner-<st1:PersonName    w:st=3D"=
on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName>=20
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/st1:PersonName>] <B><SPAN    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPA=
N></B>Lee Hudson<BR><B><SPAN    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>=
 30 January 2009 21:51<BR><B><SPAN    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN>=
</B> <st1:PersonName    w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:Person=
Name><BR><B><SPAN    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> LF: WSP=
R=20
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e=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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ZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi LF=20
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e=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN    style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Just been looking at the Database=20
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  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN    style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yet G4WGT is only=20
  460miles.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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Paul
Solid copy on both antennas.
Ant A 1/4 wave inv L,  Datong upconverter/IC746 250 hz CW FILTER no 
processing,  into computer ARG0 display QRS 3 MODE.
Ant B 40 m loop,  Siemens level meter 20 hz bandwidth, computer ARGO display 
QRS 3 MODE
Solid signals on both systems.OOO vy little QSB evident.
73 mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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Subject: Re: LF: Daytime test: OH1LSQ on 136.80kHz


Hello LF

Will continue the transmission on 136.80kHz over the evening and night.


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD


Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> Hello LF!
>
> Transmitting CW ID + QRSS3 ID on 136.80kHz.
>
>
> Again, thanks for all reports on last night's activity.
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
>
>






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Lee,

with me the database at wsprnet shows km in the header

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Lee Hudson <hudsonville@btinternet.com>:

> Hi LF Group,
>
> Just been looking at the Database of tonights activity, and I'm reported at
> 700miles from GM4SLV
> Yet G4WGT is only 460miles.
>
> Has the database put the km in my miles column?
> A known bug?
>
> 73,
> Lee M0LMH.
>
>
>



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Ok Jim

Just  seen your  post .. will set back to  olivia  and see what happens ....

im only running about  30 watts peak tone

tnx - G ..

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Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq

>
> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>
> I have just downloaded MultiPSK, and am quite impressed to be getting 
> nearly
> 100% copy, in spite of your signal being only just audible, and having
> G3KEV's very strong CQ calls just on the edge of your bandwidth. Should be
> ready to try for a QSO in a short while, if you like.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>
>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>> centre frequency  503 khz
>> tx mode usb
>> power 30 watts tune signal
>> Will send for next few hours
>> Reports welcome
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



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On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:29:37 -0800
Scott Tilley <sthed475@telus.net> wrote:

> Gee I never thought I'd agree with Mal on something.
> 
> ;-) Scott
> VE7TIL
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> 

Painful isn't it?!


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PAUL

Signal now AUDIBLE on Ant A IC746 250 hz BANDWIDTH.
1628 utc
de mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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Hello LF

Will continue the transmission on 136.80kHz over the evening and night.


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD


Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> Hello LF!
>
> Transmitting CW ID + QRSS3 ID on 136.80kHz.
>
>
> Again, thanks for all reports on last night's activity.
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
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>






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=20
Hello Alberto, maybe a bad message.
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F4DTL Nicolas
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=E9crit :

No  traces of your signal, but another one showed up, about 80 Hz  lower...

2240 -21  1.8   0.135896 -1 TM0ILH JN07  40

73  Alberto  I2PHD





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Hi Andrey,

maybe your receiver is set to LSB (reversed FSK shift)?

73
Johan SM6LKM

----

Andrey rn3agc wrote:
> Hello LF'ers,
> Tell please to the silly colleague why I cannot decode WSPR? :)
> Has made a screenshot: signal DF6NM is well visible, frequency
> of the receiver below frequency of a signal on 1500 hz -
> - decoding is not present.
> Time is calibrated to a thousand fraction of a second...
> http://www.rn3agc.msk.ru/wspr.jpg
> Thanks!
> 
> 73
> Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


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Amateur bands are typically 2 to 10% of their centre frequency, so
lets take a figure of 5%, giving a useable band 95uHz wide.  Allow a
waveform that criutically fits inside this bandwidth - OFDM or MFSK
fit the bill nicely as they both have 'brick wall' frequency spectra,
so with really good coding we ought to be able to fit in about  100 -
200 u Bits/s, or one bit per 500 - 10000s.  Say one bit per hour.

We will use a codebook based approach to coding callsigns and reports
so as to compress a message into the smallest space possible:  say a
maximum of 256 stations on the band in the world,  means 8 bits need
to be allocated to callsign, and four possible reports
(poor/marginal/OK/strong) gives 10 bits per QSO.  Add two more bits
for QSO formatting and we end up with 12 bits of data per frame .   We
will need good error correction, so make it a convolutional rate half
code - 24 bits in total.  A QSO needs a minimum of two overs each for
full acknowledgement each way so at least 96 bits need to be
exchanged.   If no further overhead is used, the QSO could therefore
be completed in four days.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/18 Wolfgang B=FCscher <dl4yhf@freenet.de>:
> John wrote:
>>
>> 1.9mhz - now what sort of signalling rate can you get on 160Gm?
>>
>> John F5VLF
>>
>>
>
> ;o)
> Need a pretty decent antenna length for that, right ?
> And just consider the 1/f noise in the milliHertz receiver - use liquid
> helium cooling for the frontend ;-)
>
>
>

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Laurence
Speed it up to abt qrs30 or faster.=20
73 mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:16 AM
  Subject: LF: 137


  Markus thanks - I leave for London tomorrow but Im going to leave the SDR=20=
and grabber/upload running here in freezing Tanggu China. Its as an "offered=
" service and I dont know how long my pc, wireless, dsl, server will stay co=
nnected, but hey a certain well known law always is activated when I leave t=
o or from a place.
  =20
  To:  I dont have my LF gear with me and end up uptop a 80 storey faraday c=
age of hotel with access to the roof..
  To:  I do have my LF gear with me and end up in a wooden framed hotel with=
 no earth, RF balun type flourscent lights, multiple SMPSU;s and no internet
  From : I dont leave the gear running and we have a marvellous LF opening s=
ay a K3 event after a long quiet spell per Jan 2003
  From: I do leave the gear running but the LF probe PSU catches fire or the=
 local authorities take down the antennae to investigate why the heck a baby=
 bottle is sitting atop a fishing pole...
  =20
  You can pick from any of the above but heres hoping it stays up for a whil=
e.
  =20
  Laurence
  http://kl1x.com
  Tanggu China OM89UA



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  From: markusvester@aol.com
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 01:47:44 +0100
  Subject: LF: Re: other QRSS stations in jn49ax



  Hello Marco and LF,

  the strong lower "Y" was actually my "NM", the real "Y" directly above tha=
t is RA3YO. Here is a list of frequencies observed this evening (Jan 4th):

  778.65  "RU"  RU6LA
  778.26 /.36  "Y"  RA3YO
  777.90 /778.00  "NM"  DF6NM
  777.45 "WPF"  UA4WPF
  776.22 /.32  "AGC"  RN3AGC
  776.0  "S"  UA9CS ?
  775.50  "WX"  DJ8WX
  774.99  "DTL"  F4DTL

  As far as I could see, "RU", "Y", "WPF" and "S" were well readable at diff=
erent times on the Chinese KL1X screenshots. I was also pleased to see that=20=
"NM" at least managed to get a few singular dashes across between 21:55 and=20=
22:13.

  Many thanks to Laurence for setting up his receiver and triggering all thi=
s activity!

  Kind regards=20
  Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Scholz, Marco=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:24 AM
    Subject: LF: other QRSS stations in jn49ax


    Hello,
    also good copy of AGC and very strong Y ~1.7Hz above agc. Not sure if th=
e signal above the Y is RU in a slower mode as QRSS60?
    good night, vy73
    Marco
    DD7PC



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Laurence</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Speed it up to abt qrs30 or faster. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=3Dhellozerohellozero@hotmail.com     href=3D"mailto:hellozerohell=
ozero@hotmail.com">Laurence BY3A-KL1X China</A>=20
  </DIV>
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heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 05, 2009 4:16=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 137</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Markus thanks - I leave for London tomorrow but Im going to=
=20
  leave the SDR and grabber/upload running here in freezing Tanggu China. It=
s as=20
  an "offered" service and I dont know how long my pc, wireless, dsl, server=
=20
  will stay connected, but hey a certain well known law always is activated=20=
when=20
  I leave to or from a place.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>To:&nbsp; I dont have my LF gear=20=
with=20
  me and end up uptop a 80 storey faraday cage of hotel with access to the=20
  roof..<BR>To:&nbsp; I do have my LF gear with me and end up in a wooden fr=
amed=20
  hotel with no earth, RF balun type flourscent lights, multiple SMPSU;s and=
 no=20
  internet<BR>From : I dont leave the gear running and we have a marvellous=20=
LF=20
  opening say a K3 event after a long quiet spell per Jan 2003<BR>From: I do=
=20
  leave the gear running but the LF probe PSU catches fire or the local=20
  authorities take down the antennae to investigate why the heck a baby bott=
le=20
  is sitting atop a fishing pole...<BR>&nbsp;<BR>You can pick from any of th=
e=20
  above but heres hoping it stays up for a while.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Laurence<BR><=
A     href=3D"http://kl1x.com">http://kl1x.com</A><BR>Tanggu China OM89UA<BR=
><BR><BR>
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  <BR>From: markusvester@aol.com<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date=
:=20
  Mon, 5 Jan 2009 01:47:44 +0100<BR>Subject: LF: Re: other QRSS stations in=20
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  <DIV>Hello Marco and LF,</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>the strong lower "Y" was actually my "NM", the real "Y"&nbsp;directly=
=20
  above that is RA3YO.&nbsp;Here is a list of frequencies observed&nbsp;this=
=20
  evening (Jan 4th):</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>778.65&nbsp; "RU" &nbsp;RU6LA</DIV>
  <DIV>778.26 /.36&nbsp; "Y" &nbsp;RA3YO</DIV>
  <DIV>777.90 /778.00&nbsp; "NM"&nbsp; DF6NM</DIV>
  <DIV>777.45 "WPF"&nbsp; UA4WPF</DIV>
  <DIV>776.22 /.32 &nbsp;"AGC"&nbsp; RN3AGC</DIV>
  <DIV>776.0&nbsp; "S"&nbsp; UA9CS ?</DIV>
  <DIV>775.50&nbsp; "WX"&nbsp; DJ8WX</DIV>
  <DIV>774.99&nbsp; "DTL"&nbsp; F4DTL</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>As far as I could see, "RU", "Y", "WPF" and "S" were well=20
  readable&nbsp;at different times on the Chinese KL1X screenshots.&nbsp;I w=
as=20
  also&nbsp;pleased to see that "NM" at least managed to&nbsp;get&nbsp;a few=
=20
  singular dashes&nbsp;across between 21:55 and 22:13.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Many thanks to Laurence for setting up his receiver and triggering al=
l=20
  this activity!</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Kind regards </DIV>
  <DIV>Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK</DIV>
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lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dmarco.scholz@citi.com href=3D"mailto:marco.scholz@citi.com">S=
cholz,=20
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
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    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN       class=3DEC_509531923-04012009>He=
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GC and very strong Y ~1.7Hz=20
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Hello Markus,

> Tomorrow at work I'll be in for some funny looks: Hey, and what did you do since christmas? Well I spent a few nights to send 
> four bits to China...
>

:))
Similar situations are familiar probably to all of us..

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV 



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Dear Mal and others,

=20
> Come on Jim, learn the Murray code.


Prof. Tony Brooker, who wrote the first compiler compiler and later became E=
ssex University's first Professor of Computing, once told me that he used to=
 use Murray's code in his early days. Not on the radio, but for programming,=
 sometimes in absolute binary. He commented that you got to know that if, fo=
r instance, the character was a an inverted comma and you wanted to set bit=20=
4 then it became a digit 7 (or a letter U, at taste).=20

They didn't eat quiche in those days.


<figs shift> OO*.** OOO.O* <lets shift>
Chris G4OKW

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Back on  .. testing  decodes  .. still not 100 sure what the problem is

tnx- G ..

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>
> Hi all ,,, dont know what was happening last night .. re decodes
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> Running wspr at 10 watts to  ae
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Hi Jay,

many thanks for watching last night, and sending this enjoyable screenshot. I'm happy about this year's first TA copy! And I guess 
we should do this more often, and more of us - I really enjoyed those nights when we had a pack of five or six DX signals within a 
few Hz.

Well, for a start, this evening "U" (RA9CUA?), "W" (UA4WPF), "NM", and "Y" (RA3YO) are active in DFCW around 136.309. Anyone else?

73 and best wishes
Markus, DF6NM

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Marcus

Condx hung in there for another two hours after that capture...then went downhill.

Jay


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> Marcus
>
> Looking good so far. Will see how the signal looks overnight.
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2




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Dear Mike, LF Group,

Worked F4DTL this morning in DFCW - also copied, but missed F6BWO. No sign 
of OE5EEP here either, though I did see a very weak trace around 137.7 of 
something that might have been hand-sent CW at around 1230utc.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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> I have re-started the WSPR beacon on 503.5kHz (502kHz "dial frequency").
All
> reports will be very welcome. G4JNT is still QRV - solid copy here of
> course, with SNR plus a few dB.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU


Just downloaded & installed WSPR for the first time today, Jim, and here's
my first attempt at reception:

1308 -17  0.6 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1324 -11  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1332 -14  0.0 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1340 -20  0.0 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1348 -20  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1354 -19  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1420 -20  0.0 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1430 -21 -0.2 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1434 -23 -1.8 501.971599  0 O I/ZZ8XZJ S5
1446 -21 -0.3 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1502 -24 -0.3 501.971529  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1528 -25  0.3 501.971529  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1532 -20  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1538 -15  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1542 -13  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1546 -13  0.2 501.971529 -1 G4JNT IO90 23
1558 -19  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1602 -14  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1604 -14  0.0 501.971560  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1610 -21  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1614  -9  1.1 501.971560  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1618 -15  0.0 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1622  -9  1.0 501.971560  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1628 -11  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1628  -4  1.0 501.971560  0 M0BMU IO91 30

TS950, 50 metre inverted "U", untuned,  IO81CR, Swansea Valley.

You're very strong - would be clearly readable as CW;  JNT is rather weaker
but audible.

Martin

GW3UCJ.




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Dear Dave, Paul-Henrik,

It could well be due to the increasing level of sidebands from Lakihegy, and 
associated Luxembourg effect noises. The attachment shows OH1LSQ mostly 
received on a N-S oriented loop which nulls Lakihegy quite well. The burst 
of noise in the middle is where I switched to the E-W loop for a while. I am 
getting pretty consistent 10 - 15dB SNR in 0.3Hz bandwidth with the N-S loop

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Paul-Henrik, LF,
>
> 136.35 kHz is fine for me, it's probably just that the conditions may have
> changed. I'll continue to monitor 136.35 for the next few hours.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
> 

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Hello,

I've dropped back to 502.4 for a while to look for M0LMH

John


On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:54:45 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear Lee, LF Group,
> 
> Just spotted M0LMH in WSPR:
> 
> 2238 -23  1.9   0.503918  0 M0LMH IO93 13
> 
> Welcome to the party, Lee!
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 


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Hi Jim, LF.  

Sadly no decodes from M0BMU or DF6NM on 136 last night.
M0BMU was clearly audible and was showing on the waterfall display.

I'm using WSPR 1.01_r1023, and it worked fine on 500kHz the other day.

Am I doing something wrong? (well, yes, obviously, but what!)

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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Dear LF Group,

The WSPR beacon is now QRT at 0206utc - I was worried about falling asleep 
with 900W going up the antenna, which is now waving around a lot in the 
wind!

Many thanks for all the reports, which have made this a successful first 
attempt at WSPR on 136k for this station.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 




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It looks like Markus has switched on his Tx...

2220 -16  2.6   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
2226 -16  2.6   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2230 -19  2.7   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2234 -20  2.8   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Jim let me know if your going to run (your) tonight on WSPR - Im back up and=
 running here in China
=20
Laurence BY3A/KL1X
Grabber http://kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg
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> From: james.moritz@btopenworld.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Date=
: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:15:49 +0000> Subject: LF: Re: 136khz WSPR> > Dear Vern=
, LF Group,> > Just woke up after setting the alarm clock to check all OK wi=
th the TX and > antenna here, and was very pleasantly surprised to see your=20=
decodes of my > WSPR signal. I am running well under the full 1W ERP (I esti=
mate about > 300mW) due to antenna limitations here, and so was not seriousl=
y expecting > transatlantic reception. So this is excellent news!> > Since a=
ll seems OK, and sigs still being copied by GM4SLV and DF6NM, I may > as wel=
l keep the beacon running until morning and see how things change at > sunri=
se. Back to bed now - at least that made it worthwhile dragging myself > out=
 at this unearthly hour!> > Cheers, Jim Moritz> 73 de M0BMU> > ----- Origina=
l Message ----- > From: "Vern - VE1VDM" <vmath@eastlink.ca>> To: <rsgb_lf_gr=
oup@blacksheep.org>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:25 AM> Subject: LF:=20=
136khz WSPR> >=20
_________________________________________________________________
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Jim let me know if your going to run (your) tonight on WSPR - Im back up and=
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<BR><BR>&gt; From: james.moritz@btopenworld.com<BR>&gt; To: rsgb_lf_group@bl=
acksheep.org<BR>&gt; Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:15:49 +0000<BR>&gt; Subject:=20=
LF: Re: 136khz WSPR<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Dear Vern, LF Group,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; J=
ust woke up after setting the alarm clock to check all OK with the TX and <B=
R>&gt; antenna here, and was very pleasantly surprised to see your decodes o=
f my <BR>&gt; WSPR signal. I am running well under the full 1W ERP (I estima=
te about <BR>&gt; 300mW) due to antenna limitations here, and so was not ser=
iously expecting <BR>&gt; transatlantic reception. So this is excellent news=
!<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Since all seems OK, and sigs still being copied by GM4SLV=
 and DF6NM, I may <BR>&gt; as well keep the beacon running until morning and=
 see how things change at <BR>&gt; sunrise. Back to bed now - at least that=20=
made it worthwhile dragging myself <BR>&gt; out at this unearthly hour!<BR>&=
gt; <BR>&gt; Cheers, Jim Moritz<BR>&gt; 73 de M0BMU<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ----- O=
riginal Message ----- <BR>&gt; From: "Vern - VE1VDM" &lt;vmath@eastlink.ca&g=
t;<BR>&gt; To: &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt;<BR>&gt; Sent: Thursday,=20=
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Hi Mark, well at least your ISP does not seem to be blacklisted, because
some are still like Laurence who I think has had to use a different ISP,
because that mail got through. The spambots at some ISPs have been made very
aggressive recently as a result of the "Child Protection pressure" The VLF
Group I sub to was rated as an "adult site" because on poster named his
design "Little Cutie" (It will be interesting to see it this gets through
!!) There have also been problems with some ISPs where a mesage has refered
to the gender of a coax connector !! You might find it interesting to
re-read you failed message for "double entendres"

Cheers
Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: Censorship


Seems that the spambots are censoring mail to this group
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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In essence my email said   WSPR (and QRSS)  are best at the top edge of the
band. They will not interfere much with each other.
My WSPR decoder  and grabber is on 24/7 so an agreed frequency is needed for
it to be most effective especially when I am away (a lot recently)

Mark GM4ISM



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Dear Mal, LF Group,


MOBMU now
192800 9 -13 0.2 -182 0 m0bmu 1091 30
Jim is this what u expect
mal/g3kev

Well, nearly - if the -182 is in the "DF" column, it would seem your RX is 
set 182Hz too high.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
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> Good decode on M0BMU well before sunset this afternoon @ 2009-01-25 21:14 
> http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=&sort=date
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> Looking for some of his neighbors now with sunset @ 2149Z...
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> Ta-Da and cheerie, de Dave @ WD2XSH/17
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>
> Mel,
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> They might have something here... If that were a CW SOS, weed a lost it!!! 
> ( I was on the bridge drinking coffee )
> The misses and me was out working on 2 and 6 worth of fish and chips ( 
> shark and taters ) while the WSPR w/M0BMU QSL was sitting here waiting...
> Bluddy amazing!!
>
> Time to hang up the old side swiper... No more ZLB / VIS / NGX CW AIRREP 
> QSOs from N132644
>
> Regreatfully,
>
> Dave
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Jim, LF,

Good copy of M0BMU as usual. I am seeing F5WK on the WSPR display but no
decode?

I have no idea what the 1870 is near the bottom?

73

Gary - G4WGT.

090117 1752  29  -4  0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1756  30  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1806  29  -4  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1814  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1820  27  -4 -0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1824  30  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1828  27  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1832  27  -6  0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1840  26  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1848  29  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1852  27  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1856  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1902  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1908  20 -13  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1914  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1922  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0  1870    0
090117 1928  27  -5 -0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1936  24  -8  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
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Subject: LF: OH1LSQ QRSS, F5WK WSPR

Dear Paul-Henrik, Michel, LF Group,

I just checked 136.8kHz, and OH1LSQ is a weak "M" copy signal here, just 
after dark. Will check again later.

F5WK appeared on my WSPR log at 1504utc, and has been solid copy since then.

In fact, the signal is audible here at about S3 or 4. DF6NM has also been 
copied until 1718.

I have now (1748utc) re-started the M0BMU WSPR beacon - any reports very 
welcome.

Cheers, Jim moritz
73 de M0BMU 




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Paul, David, Alan, Jim, LF, (and anyone I may have left out)

Many thanks everyone for your replies and very useful information.  What kic=
ked my request off was the need to make an input transformer for the Softroc=
k for 136.

I have a few of these cores (and also assorted cores inherited from one of o=
ur club members in Suffolk) and will do some measurements. =20

73
John F5VLF

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 29/01/2009 at 22:03 James Moritz wrote:

>Dear John, LF Group,
>
>Most of these "EMC" cores are made of something similar to Fair-Rite #43=20
>material, with mu of around 850. They will work quite well at LF and MF,=20
>although a given size of core will require about 1.5 times as many turns
>as=20
>the "traditional" 3C85/90/95 etc materials to get the same inductance.=20
>Unfortunately, the distributors have only heard of ferrite cores being
>used=20
>to put on cables to supress noise, so they don't know much about
>materials,=20
>and usually classify according to size, and, if you are lucky, impedance
>in=20
>the HF/VHF range, which is not very relevant to LF.
>
>You can make a reasonably accurate determination of the permeability by=20
>measuring the inductance of a core wound with several turns to get AL =3D L
>/=20
>n^2, The formula relating AL, mu, cross-sectional area, and magnetic path=20
>length is
>
>AL =3D 4pi * 100 * mu *A/l
>
>with cross sectional area of the magnetic path A in square metres, and=20
>magnetic path length l in metres  (in the case of toroidal shapes, this is=20
>roughly the average of the inner and outer circumferences of the core),
>and=20
>mu is the relative permeability.
>
>Once you know what permeability you have, you can be fairly sure behaviour=20
>will be near to that of a material with similar mu in one of the=20
>manufacturer's catalogues, e.g. Ferroxcube or Fair-Rite
>
>Cheers, Jim Moritz
>73 de M0BMU






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Hi All,

 

This may have been asked before.

 

Will a USB to RS232 adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware
interface. My PC has only 1 RS232 port & no empty PCI slots.

 

73,

 

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First decode from 200/300 mW ae feed !

2009-01-30 21:32   G0NBD   0.503951   -27   0   IO83lk   +13   0.020 
GM4SLV   IP90gg   766   476

G ..



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>
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:00:06 -0000
> "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Mark
>>
>> This is getting silly hihi 500 mW to the aE ..
>
>
> LF Wisperers,..
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> I've just started my WPSR RX setup, so will look from time to time to
> see how the QRP signals decode.
>
> 1st period has just ended,
>
> 2104 -17 G4JNT
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> 7dBm ERP!
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> Good going...
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> Should make interesting viewing after a few hours.
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> Now, where's my red wine.....
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> Cheers,
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Dear Paul - Henrik,

On the spectrogram I am seeing what could be very weak CW near to 
136.400kHz, but there are several Loran lines close to this frequency, so it 
is a bit hard to tell. The spectrum is a bit clearer near 136.350kHz - could 
you QSY?

BTW, the lower end of the band is quite badly affected by the sidebands from 
Lakihegy in mainland Europe, so you might consider a a higher frequency.

You could also try sending a series of "long dashes" for a few minutes, i.e. 
key down for 10s, key up for 10s

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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LF, transmitting now. CW on 136.40kHz.




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Jim, LF

My WSPR problem is sorted now. I installed v7.02, as suggested by Piotr.
This version is much easier to set up, and the SpecJT display is very
useful.

204600   7  -4  1.2   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23
205400   6   5  1.3   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz


Dear John, LF Group,

The WSPR beacon is now running on 137.50kHz (RF out), 136.0kHz "dial
frequency", 33% TX. Any reports would be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Hello LF,

I've retuned the RX setup to 502.400 and am awaiting signals.

I have to be out of the house for a few hours soon, but (of course)
everything will be left running and uploading to the WSPRnet database.

Did we track down the mystery K1JT?

John




On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:45:51 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear Graham, LF Group,
> 
> I think the sensible thing to do would be to try it for a while, and
> see if people report problems.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU

> 
> >
> > Are we to  adopt  502.400 Hz  USB dial frequency for WSPR ?
> > With  1500 Hz audio centre band tone.
> 
> 


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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
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But have you thought about the power DENSITY.   Its a well known fact
that spreading a signal in frequency improves channel usage and
assists weak signalling - go back to Shannon's eqn.

Look at first GSM (which used frequency hopping to improve usage) then
3G with DSSS.   Also all the WLAN modes use frequency spreading.

Methinks you're behind the times thinking single carrier modulation.
Amateurs should move with teh times, not be stuck in the 1960's

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Tonight another episode of transmissions taking up about 1 khz of spectrum
> in a 3 khz allocation.
> I think the time has come to ask OFCOM for their opinion. These are not
> experimental transmissions,  just established modes generating QRM to the
> rest of the 500 khz community and QRM GENERATORS, and not suitable for 500
> khz.
> The 500 khz band will SEFL DESTRUCT with this type of anti social behaviou=
r.
> I would not blame OFCOM if they pulled the plug.
> and they do read these messages along with the RSGB coordinator.
> G3KEV
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
> Ok Gary,
>
> Thats the first odd report hihi ...psk was not supposed to be better .....=
..
> ! doesn't look well for decodes at range .. i will try and add a few more
> watts ..
>
> are you running  x 3 multipsk at once ? the beacon text is :-
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Tnx - G ..
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:37 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: LF: RE: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>>
>> Graham, LF,
>>
>> OK all copied here at varying percentages.
>>
>> MFSK8
>>
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ea dKt  tp r=A2i=FAiik1kE Keonoe
>> x'!etiwB Fa=F8oit"0i=FCTelt !cgne=CAW=A5 Dr gf ! la(  i:a =BEd=F5ie.Yp  a=
.t=A2 P
>> ntiae yt
>> rl k =A2gt s CDdo   bd
>> CQ CQ V) DE...g0abd   8(c)x  ag0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ ..=B1t=DFnbd  g0n!d  g0nbw kkk =C4& =C4jt  =F6=CE  E.xg0nbd  g0n=
bd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ Jd  t E...g0nbd  yz0nbd   C(c)oLQ CQ DE.n ki=B1ngS =A7/  g0P%iKhk e=
r xu5ui
>> i=B9a tyfbhttaq=3D  ih=C4iod  elmha n n E=A1tdi=A2nbeeue Ntotm=E2eNRxeca
>>
>> PSK31
>>
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>>
>> Olivia 8 x 250
>>
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbj<"g0nbd  kkk z34QU
>> @DK   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQXs[ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk Q cY9L,'6   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd
>> g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  0}^)  g0nbd
>> CQ C1@#Q DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk H1R7Y
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Gary - G4WGT.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
>> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING
>> NOW
>> - 1615 HRS
>>
>> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in
>> parallel
>>
>> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
>> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running
>> on
>>
>> the same pc in beacon mode
>>
>> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference
>> signal
>> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>>
>> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
>> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
>> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
>> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>>
>> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
>> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>>
>> Running  3 mode beacon
>>
>> Dial set   502 khz usb
>>
>> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>>
>> 1250 hz   psk31
>>
>> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>>
>> Reports  welcome
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> G0NBD
>>
>> Io83LK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
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>>
>
>
>
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Advanced operator G0AT. I will look out for you on hi speed wspr.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR


> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:51:23 -0000
> "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>> LOOK AFTER would imply Appliance. Assume you are looking after
>> Shetland mountain goat.jpg.   If you can milk the goat or dehorn a
>> goat that would promote you from Appliance to Amateur operator goat.
>> I am sure you understand the humour, its the best way that I can put
>> it.
>>
>
> Okay then....
>
> I would be expected to deliver the kid, perform open heart
> surgery on the nanny, castrate the billy.
>
> I would be on 24/7 standby in case of goat illness or accident, but not
> just for goats - I'd be expected to deal with sheep, elephants,
> gorillas and terrapins as well.
>
> I'd have to look into the DNA of the ocelots and decide if the Maker
> had slipped up while designing them, and if so come up with a breeding
> plan to improve the stock, and make sure all the other farms appplied
> the same cure too.
>
> I'd nurse along the last remaining dodos until Dodo-Switch-Over, then I
> would have to rectify any genetic disorders with the new breed of fowl
> that has been delivered to the zoo to replace the dead dodos.
>
> I'd have to climb into the tallest treetops to inspect and repair any
> ultra-high frequency ants I found up there. I have to make sure all the
> feed dishes stay in place for various lynx.
>
> I have to keep the deionized water supply nice and pure for the steam
> cooled goat houses.
>
> Milking and de-horning a goat is child's play. That's what the
> apprentices do....
>
>


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Hello Klaus,

> On the other hand, WSPR has the advantage of automatic
> recording. But that is not an advantage of the mode, it
> simply is the lack of a corresponding simple program that
> does the same with a QRSS signal.
the automatic recording/reporting ability is clearly an advantage of  
WSPR in regard with propagation studies. And I agree that QRSS or DFCW  
would serve as well or even better if a similar automatic  
recording/reporting would be provided.
But I am afraid that a "waterfall display to ASCII" conversion is not  
simple at all ;-)

> Nevertheless, WSPR is not very near to the Shannon limit.
> I spent nearly all my leisure time of the last year with
> the design of a new digital ham radio QSO-mode HD43 that
> comes as close as possible to the theoretical limit.
> I will send a preprint on request.
I am interested

73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T


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Receiving you @ Brant Rock, Jim... ( I think )

Still light out here... Am seeing what looks like CW on Argo screen with 
very faint audio, no positive ident as yet...

Looks like 60 seconds of CW then a dash and silence...

Thanks for your great DX signal...  More later...

Dave @ WD2XSH/17

www.radiocom.net/Fessenden



----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: LF: WSPR Beacon on 503.5kHz


> Dear LF Group,
>
> The M0BMU WSPR beacon is now running on 503.5kHz again, hopefully 
> continuing overnight. Any reports would be very welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 



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Jim,

         It is the founder's dream to restore 500kHz as a maritime cw
traffic frequency.
Most likely, it will be contact other similarly licensed 'coastal
stations' and perhaps some 'museum' ships.
At this point it looks like it will operate from the founders (Steve
WA1HUD) home QTH pending the donation of land and other resources.

       I wish them well but remain somewhat sceptical about the project.
-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1


On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:56 PM, James Moritz
<james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> Dear Dave, LF Group,
>
> I looked at the NEHRS web site but am not much the wiser about what the
> nature of their project is - do you have any other info?
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:31 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR
>
>
> NEWS FLASH
> The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF
> CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts...
>
>
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Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?  I'm rather
late coming on to it having only got the NoV last week, and haven't
followed the reflector over the last year or two (microwaves were
calling)

Clearly WSPR needs to be concentrated on a particular centre freq
(503.5), but what else is standard?

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/25 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
> Dear Andy, John, LF Group,
>
> Yes, Chas, G3DXZ suddenly appeared on the WSPR frequency in CW, so we QSYed
> a bit for a contact - I'll probably recover, given time!
>
> The WSPR beacon is back on again now.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P-G"
> <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: WSPR 503.5
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>
>> Currently listening to your QSO on CW with Chas. This is the first time
>> I think I've heard you on "real man's CW". Even in wideband mode, so I
>> can continue the WPSR monitoring, you're a good 539 in the old money.
>>
>
>
>


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Does anyone have a copy of an electronic version of the NoV
application form?   The .PDF on the Ofcom website looks to be a
standard doc for printing and filling out by hand.
Not having handwriting font on my PC, and gave up writing by hand over
20 years ago ... :-)

What sort of field strength evaluations are they looking for?  There
are too many ways of frigging that calculation.


Andy  G4JNT
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=C2=A0Hi Rik and LF
=C2=A0
But that's the point, =C2=A0an envelope detector will not detect CW (ON / OF=
F Keying) unless A/ you have a local oscillator (DC rx) to create a beat in=20=
the detector, added complication in design or B/ unless the carrier has got=20=
noise on it (sparker) or it is modulated, added bandwidth for no extra intel=
ligence.
=C2=A0
If we go away from a simple detector RX and add amplification to an envelope=
 detector the recovered DC from a CW signal could be used to operate a switc=
h to activate a Buzzer, light or side tone oscillator but=C2=A0I don't think=
 thats in the spirit of the spirit of the challenge.
=C2=A0
However a Coherer detector does everything for CW in one simple easy to cons=
truct mechanical device with no fiddling with cats whiskers or the risk of c=
utting a vital artery with a sharp razor blade! And no need for high impedan=
ce cans.
=C2=A0
I rest my case for the Coherer detector.I think Edouard Branly=C2=A0and Oliv=
er Lodge=C2=A0got it dead right!
=C2=A0
The challenge is to make a QSO using the Razor Blade RX I am working on it.=20=
But a counter Challenge is to use a Coherer for a two way QSO, I am working=20=
on that also. However it's very cold in my garage right now so don't expect=20=
a result from me soon but better setup ops may have a result sooner.
=C2=A0
Regards 73 petefmt

--- On Wed, 7/1/09, Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> wrote:

From: Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 8:11 AM


MCW: what a waste of bandwidth, Mal will allert OFCOM !

73, Rik=C2=A0 ON7YD - OR7T

At 00:42 7/01/2009, you wrote:

=C2=A0No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz.

73 DJ1ZB


=C2=A0"M0FMT" <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb:=20


Hi Mal and LF

=C2=A0

I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope detector. A true C=
W man, I would have thought, should only entertain the use of a Cohere detec=
tor!

=C2=A0

Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a range 136=
kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a much la=
ger range of frequencies but not tested by me.

=C2=A0

http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm

=C2=A0

73 pefmt



=C2=A0



--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:


From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>

Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM


Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info from the web=
.

g3kev

=C2=A0


----- Original Message -----=20

From: riese-k3djc@juno.com=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


310113517964=C2=A0=C2=A0 E bay too

=C2=A0

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wri=
tes:


Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have had se=
veral requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to submit a cct=
 I will await replies. This method was used successfully=C2=A0 at Coldiz and=
 other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.

Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to MF/LF=20=
since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.

Build one and have a QSO using this RX

g3kev

=C2=A0

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<DIV id=3Dyiv47789>
<DIV>&nbsp;Hi Rik and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>But that's the point, &nbsp;an envelope detector will not detect CW (ON=
 / OFF Keying) unless A/ you have a local oscillator (DC rx) to create a bea=
t in the detector, added complication in design or B/ unless the carrier has=
 got noise on it (sparker) or it is modulated, added bandwidth for no extra=20=
intelligence.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>If we go away from a simple detector RX and add amplification to an env=
elope detector the recovered DC from a CW signal could be used to operate a=20=
switch to activate a Buzzer, light or side tone oscillator but&nbsp;I don't=20=
think thats in the spirit of the spirit of the challenge.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>However a Coherer detector does everything for CW in one simple easy to=
 construct mechanical device with no fiddling with cats whiskers or the risk=
 of cutting a vital artery with a sharp razor blade! And no need for high im=
pedance cans.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I rest my case for the Coherer detector.I think <SPAN lang=3DEN style=
=3D"COLOR: black; mso-themecolor: text1; mso-ansi-language: EN"><A title=3D"=
Edouard Branly" href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edouard_Branly"><SPAN s=
tyle=3D"COLOR: black; TEXT-DECORATION: none; mso-themecolor: text1; text-und=
erline: none"><FONT face=3DCalibri size=3D3>Edouard Branly</FONT></SPAN></A>=
&nbsp;and <SPAN lang=3DEN style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-themecolor: text1; mso-=
ansi-language: EN"><A title=3D"Oliver Lodge" href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org=
/wiki/Oliver_Lodge"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; TEXT-DECORATION: none; mso-=
themecolor: text1; text-underline: none"><FONT face=3DCalibri size=3D3>Olive=
r Lodge</FONT></SPAN></A>&nbsp;got it dead right!</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"COLOR=
: black; mso-themecolor: text1"><?xml:namespace prefix =3D o ns =3D "urn:sch=
emas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The challenge is to make a QSO using the Razor Blade RX I am working on=
 it. But a counter Challenge is to use a Coherer for a two way QSO, I am wor=
king on that also. However it's very cold in my garage right now so don't ex=
pect a result from me soon but better setup ops may have a result sooner.</D=
IV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Regards 73 petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 7/1/09, Rik <SPAN>Strobbe</SPA=
N> <I>&lt;rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: Rik Strobbe &lt;rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;<B=
R>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@bl=
acksheep.org<BR>Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 8:11 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1200408088>MCW: what a waste of bandwidth, Mal will allert OFCO=
M !<BR><BR>73, Rik&nbsp; ON7YD - OR7T<BR><BR>At 00:42 7/01/2009, you wrote:<=
BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">&nbsp;No problem! Use MCW!=20=
Has been typical for 500 kHz.<BR><BR>73 DJ1ZB<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;"M0FMT" &lt;m=
0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt; schrieb: <BR>
<DL>
<DD>Hi Mal and LF<BR>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR>
<DD>I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope detector. A tr=
ue CW man, I would have thought, should only entertain the use of a Cohere d=
etector!<BR>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR>
<DD>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a range=
 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a muc=
h lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.<BR>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR>
<DD><A href=3D"http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm" target=3D_blank=
 rel=3Dnofollow>http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm</A><BR>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR>
<DD>73 pefmt<BR><BR><BR>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR><BR><BR>
<DD>--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt; wrote:<BR=
>
<DL>
<DD>From: mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>
<DD>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR>
<DD>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>
<DD>Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM<BR><BR>
<DD><FONT size=3D2>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. No=
t info from the web.<BR>
<DD>g3kev<BR></FONT>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR>
<DL>
<DD>----- Original Message ----- <BR>
<DD>From: <A href=3D"mailto:riese-k3djc@juno.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofo=
llow>riese-k3djc@juno.com</A> <BR>
<DD>To: <A href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D_blank rel=
=3Dnofollow>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> <BR>
<DD>Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM<BR>
<DD>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR><BR>
<DD>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too<BR>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR>
<DD>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:g=
3kevmal@talktalk.net" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>g3kevmal@talktalk.net</=
A>&gt; writes:<BR>
<DL>
<DD><FONT size=3D2>Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while=
 back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportun=
ity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was used successfully&=
nbsp; at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.<BR>
<DD>Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to MF=
/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.<BR>
<DD>Build one and have a QSO using this RX<BR>
<DD>g3kev<BR></FONT>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR><BR></DD></DL><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>
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GR-874 I haven't seen any of those for a while, but I can see how any 
description of them may be misinterpreted
Still I cant see what is wrong with what I sent, but what the heck.
For now the WSPR decode is on 502 dial, and will remain there until the 
weekend.

I would consider a dedicated WSPR transmitting beacon here (for attended 
use) with something like a PIC and DDS. GM6BIG is also writing similar 
software but for JT4 using the Softmark DDS board, timing from GPS.  A 
'small' transmitting loop may be practical , it would be very narrowband, 
but I could leave it up all the time, which I cannot do with my main 500KHz 
antenna. I have some nice big vac caps to tune it with  :<)
Some possibilities assuming we get the NOV extended.
Mark GM4ISM




----- Original Message ----- 
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> .........or GR-874 coax connectors!!
> Alan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John RABSON" <john.rabson@wanadoo.fr>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:10 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Censorship
>
>
> On 26/01/2009 at 12:04 Alan Melia wrote:
>
>>Hi Mark, well at least your ISP does not seem to be blacklisted, because
>>some are still like Laurence who I think has had to use a different ISP,
>>because that mail got through. The spambots at some ISPs have been made
>>very
>>aggressive recently as a result of the "Child Protection pressure" The VLF
>>Group I sub to was rated as an "adult site" because on poster named his
>>design "Little Cutie" (It will be interesting to see it this gets through
>>!!) There have also been problems with some ISPs where a mesage has 
>>refered
>>to the gender of a coax connector !! You might find it interesting to
>>re-read you failed message for "double entendres"
>
> Sometimes the receiving ISP blocks all traffic from the sending ISP (eg
> att.net does not seem to like orange.fr nor wanadoo.fr and I have to use
> another ISP).
>
> Also be careful about how you describe a back-to-back pair of BNC sockets.
>
> John F5VLF
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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John and group

Thanks for the reports - I'm following the WSPR spot database.

Transmitter power is actually 400 watts but that is not a choice in the pull down box. Wasn't aware 
it supposed to be ERP. When the program originally came out a couple of us on 137 and 500 were using 
transmitter power so I've just continued that. ERP here would be about 40 watts.

If you're interested, info on the linear amplifier in use can be found at 
http://www.w1vd.com/9505MF.html . For non linear modes I use a combined pair of Class D amplifiers 
at 1 kW. Info on that amp can be found at http://www.w1vd.com/137-500KWTX.html .

Yes...500 kHz is quite a roller coaster as far as QSB is concerned - both on the long and short 
haul. Transmitted WSPR about a month ago and got a few reports from EU but seems interest has grown 
since then.

Thanks again to all for taking time to look for the signal.

Jay


----- Original Message ----- 
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>
> Chris,
>
> Great to see you're receiving Jay too, now we need the others to QSY
> up and join in, to get more data.
>
> I noice Jay you're reporting 500W - TX power NOT ERP presumably!
>
> That must quite a nice PA for almost 100% duty cycle at that power.
>
> I see some short deep QSB, dips lasting approx 3-4 minutes, and
> relatively long periods of up to 12 minutes of good trace/solid
> decodes in between.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
>
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:13:38 +0000
> Chris McCarthy <chris.decibel@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jay,
>>
>> I will retune my RX from 502.4 to 507.0 dial freq at about 2200Z.
>> Spots will be uploaded and appear at:
>> http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=&sort=date
>> It  be on all night.
>>
>> Chris, G3XVL
> 



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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:35:52 -0000
"Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Looking good at the moment John,
>

Hello Graham, LF,

Yes - I don't think I missed any periods, except of course when
listening elsewhere - hi! - so the new soundcard seems to have cured
the problem.

> What tx capability do  you have  re qso ?

None at the moment. The original class-E CW TX is out of circuit,
pending modification to change it to linear mode, and the ATU has been
removed from the antenna and a 9:1 transformer put in its place to allow
wideband reception on that antenna (specifically to allow me to go down
to 136 if necessary.

So at the moment, and for the forseeable future, I'm RX only. Sorry!

John

GM4SLV



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Thanks Jay for the info. Some frost here temp 4 degs at present, and plenty=20=
of sunshine during daytime.
Are u the only stn active on 500 in QSO mode?
de mal/g3kev

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  Mal

  Sorry...TX antenna lowered to ground due to yesterday's ice storm and it d=
oesn't look like there will be any melting today. Will advise if condx chang=
e.

  Jay
    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    MF ops TR
    Anyone available tonight for a QSO across the pond. MF condx good at pre=
sent. VU stn(India) audible on 1820 khz at 1500 utc daylight here.
    It could be a good nite for 500 long haul.
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Hi Jim, LF,

Not able to come on tonight, going out in a few minutes.

OK for tomorrow night??

Gary - G4WGT.

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Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 502.400 Dial frequency ?

Dear John, LF Group,

Oops! I was too busy posting the new frequency details to WSPRnet to notice 
I hadn't actually changed frequency yet! But interesting to see that with 
the rig, and the "dial frequency" box in WSPR set to 502.4kHz, and TX 
frequency in WSPR set to 503.5kHz, the signal actually did come out on 
503.5kHz. So although WSPR only receives in an audio range of 1500+/-100Hz, 
it will actually transmit outside that range. Might be useful to know.

BTW, Gary - it would be interesting if you could transmit - the carrier(s) 
on 504kHz are quite strong here at the moment, it would be interesting to 
see if that affects weak signal WSPR reception.

BTW, Ko - think you need to update the frequency in WSPR too!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

> And it looks like Jim's stayed down on 502 - being reported by Mark and
> OH8HTG.
>
> That'll please the nay-sayers - WSPR spreading all over the band!




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Hello Andy, LF,

I'm also monitoring for Andy's WSPR signal, by I think it's optimistic
to hope for reception at this range, in daylight, of a -6dBm ERP
transmission.

I will leave it running unitl 20:30z, when I'll QSY for Jay's overnight
tests.

Cheers,

John



On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:25:57 +0000
Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I have a QRP WSPR Beacon going on the usual 503870Hz frequency.
> RF power is 100mW which gives an an estimated ERP of -6dBm - needless
> to say the reported power in the message is therefore wrong.
> 
> Its operating at 100% duty cycle at the moment while the band is
> quiet - if anyone has probs, just give a shout here and I'll drop the
> rate.
> 
> The WSPRnet database is showing Jim's copy of it at -29dB S/N, which
> compares well with the transmission an hour earlier when I made some
> antenna tuning tweaks and confirmed max power from the broadband PA
> as 140 Watts. Jim's report on that was +2dB S/N.   31dB higher and
> within 0.5dB of expected.
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com


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Hello LF,

I'm also seeing what I believe to be M0BMU, but right at the bottom of
the "window" and not decoding, despite a very strong trace.

Jim. can you move up 50Hz or so? Say 503.550?

I'm off to bed now, 5:30 start in the morning, but will leave
everything on 502.100 kHz,

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV


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Jan 2009 22:03:03 -0000 "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi John, LF,
> 
> I have only seen partial traces of G0NBD & no decodes & I am quite
> close, Graham is about 50Hz higher than me.
> 
> My dial frequency is 502.100KHz & Tx frequency should be 503.600KHz.
> 
> 73
> 
> Gary - G4WGT
> 
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> Sent: 18 January 2009 21:51
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> Subject: LF: G0NBD WSPR 503.637
> 
> Hello LF,
> 
> G0NBD has been received at up to -5dB here, on 503.637, yet no sign of
> a spot from anyone else on WSPRNET.
> 
> I wonder if it's because we're all on different dial frequencies?
> 
> Due to Gary using 503.600 RF I decided to shif up in dial freq to
> 502.100, which puts him in the centre of the 200Hz WSPR window, rather
> than right at the top, had I stayed on 502.000
> 
>


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Laurence
What is the best time for u to llsn for UK es EU. I will be QRV on 137.0 khz=
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73 de mal/g3kev

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  I returned the Eastern China Grabber back to 137/500 at local dusk - it re=
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JB
Good idea.
My psu for 137 rig is an ex garage jump start charger, heavy with big 
transformer and diodes about 20V and many Amps.
I need diodes for my standby psu also ex garage job !!

73 de mal/g3kev

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> Hi Mal,
>
> I needed a "chunky" rectifier a few years ago and managed to find
> just what I needed at the local welding supply shop.  Most of the
> wire-feed (MIG) type welders have a monolithic high current,
> low voltage rectifier brick.  Good for 100 amps or so with a
> voltage rating of 50 or more.  The price wasn't bad either.
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
> Solar and wind powered
> Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
> EN93dr
>
> http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle
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I have a sig ( carrier with quick break ) on 138.830 ( dcf39??) that is 30db=
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What do I have??

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Dear LF Group,

The beacon is now up & running. I see there are 4 spots already on the WSPR 
database. That was quick!

There is noticeably more QRN tonight, so it will be interesting to see what 
happens.

Looking forward to further reports,

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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OK Nicolas,
Here till 22.00z the big level QRM. After 22.00z it is more or less pure.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


>Hello Andrey nothing on your grabber, i stop my beacon now.
>Thanx dear Andrey.
>
>F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP


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There is a photo of a GR-874 on GR1602 admittance meter in Feb RadCom's 
Antennas. They will be described in in more detail in March.


Regards

Peter, G3LDO
>
> The pic from Stewart shows a "cheapy"...... the "good" ones have a threaded
> "skirt" (whoops ....done it again electronic blue pencil at the ready !!)
> which seals RF leakage from the slots on measuring equipment. The beauty of
> them is that you can diassemble them and replace all or any of the parts. So
> it you get a knackerd one (OH dear !!) you can replace the broken bit and
> rejuvenate the kit.
>
> Grumpy Ol' Alan G3NYK
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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>   
>> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:37:35 -0000
>> "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> The GR-874 is an early GenRad "genderless" connector I am sure even a
>>> "young lad" like you will have seen them on admittanace bridges and
>>> old sig gens.
>>>       
>> Yup, the old "GR Oscillators" for UHF we used to have at work had these
>> connectors, never knew what the real designation was.
>>
>> John
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>
>   



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Dear Gary,



just a single decode here last night, but you've come a fair way=C2=A0with y=
our 2 milliwatts:


2009-01-25 23:12=C2=A0=C2=A0 G4WGT=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.503552=C2=A0=C2=A0 -30=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO83qp=C2=A0=C2=A0 +3=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.002=C2=A0=C2=A0=20=
DF6NM=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN59nk=C2=A0=C2=A0 1057=C2=A0=C2=A0 657=20


Also nice signals from G4JNT, and=C2=A0M0BMU reliable through the night.

My RX setup was a freerunning Degen DE 1103 (hence the overnight drift). The=
 input=C2=A0was capacitively coupled to the LF antenna, which is currently=
=C2=A0lowered to about 3 m above the roof.

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<div>Dear Gary,</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>just a single decode here last night, but you've come a fair way&nbsp;w=
ith your 2 milliwatts:</div>


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2009-01-25 23:12&nbsp;&nbsp; G4WGT&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.503552&nbsp;&nbsp; -30&nbsp=
;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; IO83qp&nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.002&nbsp;&nbsp; DF=
6NM&nbsp;&nbsp; JN59nk&nbsp;&nbsp; 1057&nbsp;&nbsp; 657 </div>


<div><br>
Also nice signals from G4JNT, and&nbsp;M0BMU reliable through the night.<br>
<br>
My RX setup was a freerunning Degen DE 1103 (hence the overnight drift). The=
 input&nbsp;was capacitively coupled to the LF antenna, which is currently&n=
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Hi Gary, Jim, and all,

Gary wrote:

> Michel (F5WK) is now almost not seen on the WSPR & SpecLab display but the
> signal is decoding fine. With the current settings I have reduced the
> received signal strength but both are decoding no problem.
>
> Earlier in the evening Michel's signal was quite strong on both displays but
> no decode.
>
> I have set the Rx to SSB, 500Hz filter & external tuned  pre-amp to moderate
> gain. The antenna is Mini-Whip.
>
>   
Inspired by this, I switched one of the TS 850's IF filter from 2.7 kHz 
to 500 Hz, and centered it on 1500 Hz audio (which is possible in SSB 
with the passband tuning knob). Expected a better SNR because there's 
plenty of QRM around here, but :

(a few decodes with full 2.7 kHz SSB bandwidth) :
2128 -21  0.0   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37
2130 -20 -0.2   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
(now switched to 500 Hz audio BW, around 1500 Hz center)
2134 -26  0.0   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37

An SNR *drop* of 5 dB (for F5WK) within 6 minutes; don't think this is 
caused by "propagation".

Apart from that, I never had a "zero" offset for the DT parameter, so 
apparently Michel must have a very precise time reference. Or it's just 
coincidence.

Will switch back to 2.7 kHz bandwidth now to check if the SNR values 
increase again.

Cheers,
  Wolf .



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Dear All,

M0BMU is now QRV overnight on WSPR 136.0kHz dial, 137.504kHz RF out. I 
shifted my TX frequency up by 4Hz to see if that is an improvement w.r.t. 
Loran. Any reports very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 


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Hi John P-G,

you wrote:
> The grabber image, updated every 5 minutes, is here:
>
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg
>
>   
Phew, what a beautiful clean "Loran curtain" ;-)
 Wish I had such a QRM-free place for reception somewhere around here !

73,
  Wolf
(still battling the local QRM.
 But the only chance seems to be flipping the ground fault circuit 
interrupters in the neighbouring houses... harr harr )



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I returned the Eastern China Grabber back to 137/500 at local dusk - it resi=
des on 30m Knights during the day save when it gets used for work. Pretty qu=
iet tonight s/n wise loads of lines to be seen. Its 1316z and both DCF39 and=
 Budapest 135.43 are just audible.
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It will be and off for a little while whilst Im doing some NDB calibration f=
or a couple of vessels in the Yellow and Bohai Seas.
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Laurence BY3A/Kl1X
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> Date:
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I returned the Eastern China Grabber back to 137/500 at local dusk - it resi=
des on 30m Knights during the day save when it gets used for work. Pretty qu=
iet tonight s/n wise loads of lines to be seen. Its 1316z and both DCF39 and=
 Budapest 135.43 are just audible.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
It will be and off for a little while whilst Im doing some NDB calibration f=
or a couple of vessels in the Yellow and Bohai Seas.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence BY3A/Kl1X<BR>
<A href=3D"http://kl1x.com">http://kl1x.com</A><BR>
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Dear Andy, Dennis, LF Group,

Thanks for the PSK31 QSO and reports; it was nice to have signals that 
weren't down in the noise for once! I heard Andy testing and thought I would 
give it a try. I did see Dennis' signal at a slightly lower frequency, and 
wondered what it was...

Re the problem of the slightly wandering frequency - I did check this end, 
including looking at the off-air signal with an independent RX to see if 
some RF feedback effect was going on, but all frequencies checked out to 
within 1Hz, so that remains a mystery.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Jim,

This last copy was +11 db over the noise on Spectra Vue, Dog Bonze on the 
ARGO, audible, and @ 0217 was -18 0.7 0.503499 0 M0BMU IO91 30

Not too shabby.. Nice sigs @ Brant Rock near Alternator Station 'BO'

Gudday, Cobber...


Dave WD2XSH/17






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At 21.33 06/01/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Marco!
>
>Thank you very much for providing my bedtime sweets tonight :)
>Dennis
>dl6nvc

;-)

73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF (on RSGB_LF_GROUP since 1998 - is there a 
diplom for 10 years of list subscription?)



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Hi Marcus, LF.

I noticed the UNID DFCW carrier on your grabber this morning. It was not
visible at this QTH.

When I first looked at the signal, I thought it might be something like "CQ
HA5......K"  but upon looking at it again, I'm not even sure of that!

73 and Happy New Year,

Dave G3WCB IO91RM


  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Markus Vester
  Sent: 27 December 2008 12:50
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: Unid DFCW


  Hi LF,

  twice at 11:21 and 12:31 today, I caught an unidentified northerly DFCW
trace centered on 137703 - it looked like an attempted CQ with FSK working
but TX keying permanently on.

  During the morning, nice signals were also received from DL2HRE, a single
long dash possibly from DK1KH, and later RN3AGC and F4DTL.

  73 and best wishes
  Markus, DF6NM

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Marcus, LF.&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D964220012-010=
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noticed the UNID DFCW carrier on your grabber this morning. It was not visib=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D964220012-0=
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first looked at the signal, I thought it might be something like "CQ=20
HA5......K"&nbsp;&nbsp;but upon looking at it again, I'm not even sure of=20
that!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D964220012-010=
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Happy New Year,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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1012009></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D964220012-010=
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G3WCB IO91RM</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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ma     size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi LF,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>twice at 11:21 and 12:31=20
  today,&nbsp;I&nbsp;caught&nbsp;an unidentified&nbsp;northerly DFCW=20
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ith=20
  FSK working but TX keying permanently on.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  also&nbsp;received from DL2HRE, a single long dash possibly from DK1KH, an=
d=20
  later RN3AGC and F4DTL.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 and best wishes</FONT></DIV>
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Andy,LF


WSPR can be configured to automatically uplaod its received data to
a website at http://wsprnet.org

The database has had a revamp recently, and the "default" view doesn't
allow you to select the LF bands specifically. However the original
database display, and the selectable LF band is:

http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190

I can't believe you haven't been watching this page avidly?! It shows
much more detail about who/where/when is receiving whom.

If you are also a receive station then ticking the "Upload spots" on
the WPSR software will automate the whole process for you, and allow
everyone to see what you're hearing too.


Cheers,

John




On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:14:11 +0000
Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Keep seeing mention of this WSPR database - feel a Google search
> coming on. Full locator is IO90IV,
>  or more accurately IO90IV58EI (using GBR36 mapping)
>   or   IO90IV58AH (using WGS84)
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/1/26 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
> > On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:28:19 -0000
> > "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> John, LF,
> >>
> >> I note that Jim's WSPR is showing 4 locator characters on my WSPR
> >> list but 6 on the spots page.
> >>
> >> Gary - G4WGT.
> >>
> >
> > Hello Gary, LF
> >
> > WSPR itself only transmits the 4-figures (eg IO90) but if you enter
> > all 6 in the options dialogue of the software (along with your
> > correct callsign, NOT K1JT - hi!)  then any spots you report to
> > WSPRnet will be tagged with your 6-figure locator (as a receiving
> > station). Furthermore it appears that the database at WSPRnet is
> > clever enough to apply that 6-figure locator to any spots others
> > make of your own transmissions....
> >
> > If you notice Andy's reports all show him simply as "IO90" - when
> > most other people are 6-figure accurate. I can only assume it's
> > because he's never sent a spot to the database as a RX station,
> > with his accurate 6-figure locator attached. If he did so then all
> > later reports of HIS signal would be 6-figure accurate too, due to
> > the database cleverness.
> >
> > Not really a problem, but it aids accurate distance calculation.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John
> > GM4SLV
> >
> >
> 


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Dear Nicolas, LF Group,

Unfortunately not much chance of copying you here, due to very large "rustly 
bolt" (oh no not that again...) intermods from the local AM broacast 
stations at my QTH.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Hello Jim i am tonight on 1838.040 kHz WSPR beacon with  2W.
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> eBay # 400022294251
>
> That would make a nice 600m amp?
>
> Mike
> WE0H
> /16

.....and with 1KW heater dissipation, it will keep the shack nice and warm, 
too!

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Copy from Jim, but not Markus :-(

233159   8  -1  1.8   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23       

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM  

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You're welcome Markus!

It's great to see and hear you at this distance.

The 23:30 transmission decoded at -15dB

I see Jim also is on the band now, at -12dB 137.500kHz

Cheers,

John


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> 
> I'm certainly pleased to read that! Thanks a lot.
> 
> 73, Markus 
> 



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CHANGE OF MODE=20

OLIVIA HALTED

DOMINOEX-FEC    @ 900 HZ AUDIO

21-45 HRS

Tnx for reports=20

G ..=20


From: Graham=20
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:52 PM
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Subject: LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late=20



Running  data mode , DominoF and olivia  8x250  , wspr=20
power about 20  watts per mode ..tx set started  1630

502 khz - usb

using  two multipsk in beacon mode , frequencies  centre marker , wspr tone=20=
1550 hz=20

Dominof    1300 hz
olivia        900 hz
wspr         1550 hz (33% tx)

Never used the Domino system , looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250=20
same 3 lines of text for each.

Due to  tr switching problems , no rx=20

Graham
G0NBD
IO83LK=20




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<DIV>CHANGE OF MODE </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>OLIVIA HALTED</DIV>
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<DIV>DOMINOEX-FEC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; @ 900 HZ AUDIO</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Running&nbsp; data mode=20=
,=20
DominoF and olivia&nbsp; 8x250&nbsp; , wspr </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>power about 20&nbsp; wat=
ts per=20
mode ..tx set started&nbsp; 1630</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>502 khz - usb</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>using&nbsp; two multipsk=
 in=20
beacon mode , frequencies&nbsp; centre marker , wspr tone 1550 hz </FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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sp;&nbsp;1300 hz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>olivia&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;900=20
hz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>wspr&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1550 hz=20
(33% tx)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Never used the Domino sy=
stem ,=20
looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>same 3 lines of text for=
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each.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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James Moritz wrote:
> Dear LF Group,
> 
> I will be running the WSPR beacon again tonight on the same settings as 
> before; 502kHz "dial frequency", RF out on 503.51kHz +/-, 1W ERP, 33% 
> transmit. It will be QRV from around 2200utc and hopefully run 
> overnight. As always, any reports would be very welcome.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
> 
Hello Jim
Copied some first lines, too bad qrl is waiting agn :-(

2154  -6  1.1   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2202  -4  1.1   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30

73 de Ko, NL9222











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Hi LF,

My thanks to all who uploaded reports of my WSPR transmission to the Spots
Page.

I was testing a new mixer for my linear transverter project.

Probably try some more demanding mode soon. Also need a bit more power.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: 24 January 2009 23:37
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Subject: LF: Re: WSPR Beacon on 503.5kHz

Hi Jim, LF Group
Fine copy on my grabber / WSPR decode, now I have re-centred the WSPR 
decoder. I had to change it last week to decode someone..
Interestingly  sometimes I am seeing an extra faint trace from Jim, almost 
exactly 100Hz up and it even decoded on one over. It is much weaker (at 
least 15dB down). An alias / mixing product on my system? or is anyone else 
seeing this?
I am not seeing any extra signals on the DI2AM beacon, which is  on average 
10dB stronger than Jim
Also getting occasional decodes from G4WGT
Cheers
Mark GM4ISM

----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: LF: WSPR Beacon on 503.5kHz


> Dear LF Group,
>
> The M0BMU WSPR beacon is now running on 503.5kHz again, hopefully 
> continuing
> overnight. Any reports would be very welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>


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 I was kinda suggesting that to start a new year in a better spirit we might just find that the "amateur radio" ethos of "self" (meaning yourself, myself, ourselves, theirselves etc.) training and experimentation was there to be rediscovered. I always believed that knowledge was as much a voyage of self-discovery as one of scientific or artistic discovery. Otherwise, why was the word "philosophy" coined. Those who know most are not by definition the most intelligent. 

73 de Pat G4GVW


 


 

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> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not already
> taken place on MF.

There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover". Wouldn't it be
wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
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<div> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">I was kinda suggesting that to start a new year in a better spirit we might just find that the "amateur radio" ethos of "self" (meaning yourself, myself, ourselves, theirselves etc.) training and experimentation was there to be rediscovered. I always believed that knowledge was as much a voyage of self-discovery as one of scientific or artistic discovery. Otherwise, why was the word "philosophy" coined. Those who know most are not by definition the most intelligent. <br>
<br>
73 de Pat G4GVW<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
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<br>






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<pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>&gt; There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not already<br>
&gt; taken place on MF.<br>
<br>
There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as<br>
Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover". Wouldn't it be<br>
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What an amazing gift.<br>
<br>
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Thank you Ed:

Please continue to post your planned transmissions at the
136 KHz frequency. I cannot copy any TA stations at 137.777 KHz
due to the U.S. stations. 73:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN.
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 184.322 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
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--- On Tue, 1/6/09, Ed RU6LA <ed@dx.ru> wrote:

> From: Ed RU6LA <ed@dx.ru>
> Subject: Re: [!! SPAM]  LF: RU6LA's station setup
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 2:46 PM
> Dear LF enthusiasts and Andy,
> 
> KU4XR wrote 03.01.2009, 23:22 MSK(GMT+3h):
> 
> AK> I'm warming up all the gear to see if I can copy
> ED, RU6LA tonite
> AK> on 2200 meters. Does anyone know what his possible
> ERP will be in
> AK> this direction ??
> 
> TNX for the efforts!
> 
> My TX setup:
> Big vertical on the 135m high tower - ~ 60...70m  H eff
> valves PA - 80...120W Output
> Iant (current) in ant 2..3A
> 
> P(ERP)=0.00033 * A^2  (for 137KHz, by RA9MB)
> A=I ant*H eff, I ant in A, H eff in m
> P=~ 5...15 W ERP
> 
> Some details look on http://136.73.ru/ed/index.htm
> PA (new now) is connected directly to the electric system
> (without
> transformer) and compact
> 
> 73! Ed RU6LA   136.73.ru


      


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Lee, LF,

Yes, there does seem to be some problem with the reporting of your
distances - at least between you and me.

It's wierd to see Andt JNT reported to be nearer than yourself, as last
time I was there Harrogate was a damn sight nearer the border!

I'd send a message to W1BW who administers the database to reprt the
problem of incorrectly calculated distances.

The wine is flowing nicely, in front of a roaring woodstove in the
midst of a severe gale force 9 to storm force 10....

Cheers,

John

 


 On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:45:30
-0000 "Lee Hudson" <hudsonville@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Gary, Rik, John, Andy
>  
> That's the distance I worked it out at too.
> But interestingly 434miles is 700km as Andy confirms.
>  
> My Locator is correct IO93gx Harrogate, North of Leeds.
>  
> Do you see km and miles Rik?
> I have 1127km 700mi showing on John's spots.
>  
> Gary and I are within an hours drive.
> Certainly not the case to IP90gg, how's the wine doing John?
>  
> Lee M0LMH.
> 
>
> 


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Joe,

That might explain why I didn't hear you over night either. Or perhaps 
it was the -16 F temperature. Best of luck with your repairs. It's a 
hard time to be working outside but I and many others certainly 
appreciate your keeping VO1NA QRV.

73,
Garry
K3SIW, EN52, Elgin, IL

jcraig@mun.ca wrote:
> Hello Henny, Jean Pierre, Victor and LF Group,
>
> This morning I was alerted to a problem with the LF aerial by
> loud bursts of static duuring the news broadcast on the
> AM radio.  When the sun rose, it could be seen that the far end
> had become detached from the tower as a result of last nights
> strong winds.
>
> The TX will be off the air until this can be repaired.
>
> Thanks to all for the reports and kind words.
>
> 73
> Joe
> VO1NA
>
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, henny van elst wrote:
>
>> Hi Joe and All,
>> nothing seen Joe,
>>
>> henny pa3cpm
>> 73s
>>
>
>



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In a MAN'S world its ERP that counts, it is more meaningful for LF/MF and it 
complies with the licence criteria.
g3kev



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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>I disagree - ERP is the licenced figure, and its what really matters
> in the propagation tests.
>
> WSPR only allows a few values, with several dB between them, and it
> really should be possible to get an estimat of antenna efficiency to
> that sort of value.   Rloss / calculated Rrad is easy enough to
> measure.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/25 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:24:23 -0000
>> "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.
>>>
>> Hello Gary, LF,
>>
>> I'm getting a fairly reliable signal from you, with just enough QSB to
>> dip under the decoding margin from time to time.
>>
>> As to power reporting, I see that most people on LF/MF are attempting
>> to estimate ERP, and use this figure in the beacon data.
>>
>> There was much discussion on the WSPR forum on the merits or otherwise
>> of this approach, in the HF sphere at least.
>>
>> It might be easier if we adopted the same approach as is recommended
>> for HF use - to report the actual TX power, not ERP.
>>
>> I see your last beacon is reporting 3dBm! Wow... that really is "flea
>> power". Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW
>> ERP from a large one.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John
>> GM4SLV
>>
>>
>


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Gary,

Thats  odd , I have a good signal from you tonight, decodes at range look to 
be normal
I am +50 Hz with  1550 Hz tone , same dial as you , 502.100 hz

G ..





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From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:03 PM
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Subject: LF: RE: G0NBD WSPR 503.637

>
> Hi John, LF,
>
> I have only seen partial traces of G0NBD & no decodes & I am quite close,
> Graham is about 50Hz higher than me.
>
> My dial frequency is 502.100KHz & Tx frequency should be 503.600KHz.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John P-G
> Sent: 18 January 2009 21:51
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: G0NBD WSPR 503.637
>
> Hello LF,
>
> G0NBD has been received at up to -5dB here, on 503.637, yet no sign of
> a spot from anyone else on WSPRNET.
>
> I wonder if it's because we're all on different dial frequencies?
>
> Due to Gary using 503.600 RF I decided to shif up in dial freq to
> 502.100, which puts him in the centre of the 200Hz WSPR window, rather
> than right at the top, had I stayed on 502.000
>
> This of cource means anyone using 502.000 won't see the transmission
> from G0NBD.
>
> Can we decide on a dial QRG?
>
> I am going off island first thing in the morning, returning TUesday
> evening, so I'll leave the WSPR setup running. Does anyone have a
> preferrence for which band would be most useful to watch for my
> reported spots?
>
> I'll set up for either 500 or 137 according to the requests I get in
> the next hour or so.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
>
>



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Hello Johan, James, LF,
Many thanks for the help! Yesterday WSPR-signal DF6NM
passed here from time to time much more strongly, than the day
before yesterday. But decoding still was not. I have installed WSJT7.
If again the result is negative, the problem most likely in a sound card
means. Though to this case without problems decoded any amateur
digital protocols.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


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MessageGood day LF whisperers,

here is an extract of what I'm currently seeing

1102  -5  1.0   0.137511  0 DF0WD JO42 27
1106 -21  2.9   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J
1110 -19  0.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1110 -22  3.3   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J
1114 -22  3.3   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J

It seems that DL3ZID is decodable but DT =3D 3.3 s seems a bit out of the of=
 the timeframe - you might try to set the PC clock to transmit 2 or 3 second=
s earlier.

Will switch to 25% TX here in a few minutes.

Best wishes - Markus, DF6NM

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: dl4yhf@freenet.de=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:47 AM
  Subject: Re: Re: LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning DF0WD &amp; M0BMU


  In addition to this..

  >>> At the moment (10:38 UTC) I can see a 3rd stn transmitting WSPR on 137=
.517 (-ish), but still masked by a carrier here,
  so only visible but not decodable.
  If the sender is reading this, I suggest to QSY 20 Hz up, or 30 Hz down.
  <<

  Mystery solved: It's DL3ZID, and for some reason the instance of WSPR runn=
ing here (at DF0WD) refused to send that spot to the database !

  1038 -10  3.3   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J

  Hello Eberhard, nice to meet you again !

  73,
    Wolf .

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good day LF whisperers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>here is an extract of what I'm currently=20
seeing</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1102&nbsp; -5&nbsp; 1.0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.13751=
1&nbsp;=20
0 DF0WD JO42 27<BR>1106 -21&nbsp; 2.9&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137517&nbsp; 0 DL3ZID=20
J<BR>1110 -19&nbsp; 0.4&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137500&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 27<BR>1110=20
-22&nbsp; 3.3&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137517&nbsp; 0 DL3ZID J<BR>1114 -22&nbsp;=20
3.3&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137517&nbsp; 0 DL3ZID J<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It seems that DL3ZID is decodable but&nbsp;=
DT =3D 3.3=20
s seems a bit out of the&nbsp;of the timeframe&nbsp;- you might try to set t=
he=20
PC clock to transmit 2 or 3 seconds earlier.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Will switch to 25% TX here in a few=20
minutes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best wishes - Markus, DF6NM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Ddl4yhf@freenet.de     href=3D"mailto:dl4yhf@freenet.de">dl4yhf@=
freenet.de</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 17, 2009 11=
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  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Re: LF: 137 kHz WSPR t=
ests=20
  saturday morning DF0WD &amp;amp;amp; M0BMU</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT=
><FONT     face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>In addition to this..<BR><=
BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;=20
  At the moment (10:38 UTC) I can see a 3rd stn transmitting WSPR on 137.517=
=20
  (-ish), but still masked by a carrier here,<BR>so only visible but not=20
  decodable.<BR>If the sender is reading this, I suggest to QSY 20 Hz up, or=
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  Hz down.<BR>&lt;&lt;<BR><BR>Mystery solved: It's DL3ZID, and for some reas=
on=20
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the=20
  database !<BR><BR>1038 -10&nbsp; 3.3&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137517&nbsp; 0 DL3ZID=20
  J<BR><BR>Hello Eberhard, nice to meet you again !<BR><BR>73,<BR>&nbsp; Wol=
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Hi Henny & others!

Happy New Year!

I see you Henny and some others observing the band for north american lowfer signals around 18xkHz.
That's amazing, at least to me...

How is it possible, that those very low power signals do make it through the overlapping sidebands of much closer by and very very much stronger radiostations (300kW from Hellisandur/Iceland on 189kHz and 2000kW Europe1/Germany on 183kHz? 

By the way, is there any chance to receive this Hellisandur 189kHz signal in western Europe? Havn't detect it with rather simple setups and indoor antenna so far, but it might be an interesting propagation indicator?

Greetings from Berlin
Dennis
DL6NVC





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> Datum: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:25:19 +0100
> Von: henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>
> An: blacksheep <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Betreff: LF: 184khz

> hi Joe
> nothing seen
> henny pa3cpm
> best 73s

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RRR Wolf , perfectly arrived file, keep this key it could be useful in=20
the future, thank you for the assistance I will test.SpecLab .
73 Jean-Pierre f1afj

Wolfgang B=FCscher a =E9crit :
> Hi Jean-Pierre,
>
> RRR . I have given up trying to understand why certain ISPs completely=20
> block other ISPs .
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Mark

This is getting silly hihi 500 mW to the aE .. and its decoded at or7t
the only thing next is the exciter direct as I cannot reduce the drive any 
lower !

G ..

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>
> Graham,
> Your trace is just about visible on the WSPR spectrum display, but not 
> quite
> loud enough to decode. maybe it will improve later. I would expect to 
> decode
> you on the main antenna!
> Amazing what the low power can achieve.
> Regards
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>> Still looks to  be working at range .. outstanding !
>>
>> all I can do  next is take the drive from the exciter direct to the Ae ?
>> G ..
>>
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>> Subject: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok All ,
>>>
>>> Well   from what I can measure  , power to the Ae is  500mW at the 
>>> moment
>>> as of about 20-25 hrs ...
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>>> Initial level was 30 watts  feed
>>>
>>> See what happens ?
>>>
>>> G ..
>>>
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How about that.....well done guys!!!! I am very excited about this....

Vernon - FN85ki


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Could you move to 503.835 and see if the frequency separation between
you and Gary cures the decode failures?

yes  wspr seems to get a bit confused by the close track .. i see what looks 
like
imd from the two  close signals

.. Interesting night .. my wspr looks to  of had many false decodes
qrp  has mapped out the skip distance quite well ..

G4JNT is showing  10 db over the noise floor on speclab
looks good enough for a data qso .. with 2 mW erp ?

Power now at 100 watts feed for last 30 mins

G ..


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From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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>
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:59:39 -0000
> "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear John, LF Group,
>>
>> Yes, that's me... copy is looking very patchy at your QTH tonight. I
>> see the others are copying OK, from G3XVL at around +12dB SNR, down
>> to the -20s by more distant stations, so there does not seem to be a
>> problem with the transmitted signal. I seem to be copying everyone
>> OK, except G0NBD - but there is a weak carrier here on about 503.950
>> which is probably QRMing him. You haven't changed PC by any chance...
>>
>
> Hello Jim,
>
> No, everything is as normal here - same hardware throughout.
>
> The waterfall shows your signal as bright red, despite no decode.
> But... there's always a faint trace just a few Hz hf of you too, not
> sure if it's being generated by you, or just coinicidence - nor if
> that's the reason that you're not decoding. I normally have no problems
> with you.
>
> The 32:14 period had a bright trace from you, but no decode, and a much
> fainter trace at 503.914 which decoded as G4WGT.
>
> Could you move to 503.835 and see if the frequency separation between
> you and Gary cures the decode failures?
>
> John
>
>



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If I recall correctly, in the early days of negotiation with the Radiocommun=
ications Agency in the UK, it was originally suggested that the RSGB should=20=
apply for an allocation round about 173 kHz with 5W ERP (to line up with the=
 ZL allocation?).  Time went by and we were asked for our views on an alloca=
tion around 88 kHz.  That idea was then withdrawn as that frequency was alre=
ady in use by another service (it was and still is used with induction syste=
ms for cave communications on 87 kHz USB). =20

Eventually we got 73 kHz.

Mal says "several khz up or down the band from 137 it is clear".  Not here i=
t isn't.  And if he, in Yorkshire, is unaffected by Loran he is very lucky.

John F5VLF
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On 21/01/2009 at 19:25 James Moritz wrote:

>Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
>I don't know... but it was probably the same as the reason for which the=20
>73kHz band was withdrawn at about the same time that all the utilities
>which=20
>had been operating inside or near that part of the spectrum were=20
>decomissioned ;-)
>
>Cheers, Jim Moritz
>73 de M0BMU
>
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
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>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:00 PM
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>
>
>Does anyone know why 137 khz was chosen as an amateur allocation, in that=20
>freq area it is the most polluted part, clobbered at both ends by
>commercial=20
>high power transmitters...






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Dear LF Group,

Am now running the WSPR beacon again on 136.0kHz "dial frequency", 
137.500kHz RF out, 33% TX. I have temporarily raised the centre of the span 
of my antenna up to 15m (return of the cherry-picker) and tweaked the 
impedance matching a bit, so should have an extra 3-4dB of signal tonight 
(assuming the wind doesn't get up and I have to lower it down again). Any 
reports will be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Hello James,
capture in 22.05.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


> Dear LF Group,
> 
> The M0BMU WSPR beacon is now running on 503.5kHz again, hopefully continuing 
> overnight. Any reports would be very welcome.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU 
> 
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Well atleast Mal hasn't seemed to notice the WSPR experiment tonight so 
all this banter has done something useful...

VE7TIL

Steve McDonald wrote:
> Can we not put an end to this nonsense? Who gives a rat's ass about razor
> blade radios?
>
> VE7SL
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>
>
>   


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I too saw a quite strong signal last night which didn't decode. It was around
503.97 kHz and almost as strong as M0BMU, who was perfectly audible most of the
time. There was no "banana effect" on the waterfall so it was stable enough. I'd
guess problem is caused by a soundcard sampling frequency error.

73
Johan SM6LKM

----

John P-G wrote:
> I see others reporting inconsistent decodes of you on the chat page at
> WSPRnet, so it's not just me.



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LOOK AFTER would imply Appliance. Assume you are looking after Shetland 
mountain goat.jpg.   If you can milk the goat or dehorn a goat that would 
promote you from Appliance to Amateur operator goat.
I am sure you understand the humour, its the best way that I can put it.



----- Original Message ----- 
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> mal hamilton wrote:
>
>> Radio amateurs are at a disatvantage at present but could handle it, but 
>> appliance operators NO.
>> G3KEV
>
> A (very)small sample of the gear I look after, day to day.
>
>
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/bressaymux1.jpg
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/bressayrbstest.jpg
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/bressayuhf1.jpg
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/bressayuhfamp.jpg
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/bressayuhfcu1.jpg
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/bressayvhfamps.jpg
>
> Does this qualify me as a radio amateur or an appliance operator?
>
>
> J
>
>


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.........or GR-874 coax connectors!!
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: "John RABSON" <john.rabson@wanadoo.fr>
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On 26/01/2009 at 12:04 Alan Melia wrote:

>Hi Mark, well at least your ISP does not seem to be blacklisted, because
>some are still like Laurence who I think has had to use a different ISP,
>because that mail got through. The spambots at some ISPs have been made
>very
>aggressive recently as a result of the "Child Protection pressure" The VLF
>Group I sub to was rated as an "adult site" because on poster named his
>design "Little Cutie" (It will be interesting to see it this gets through
>!!) There have also been problems with some ISPs where a mesage has refered
>to the gender of a coax connector !! You might find it interesting to
>re-read you failed message for "double entendres"

Sometimes the receiving ISP blocks all traffic from the sending ISP (eg
att.net does not seem to like orange.fr nor wanadoo.fr and I have to use
another ISP).

Also be careful about how you describe a back-to-back pair of BNC sockets.

John F5VLF







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Hello Dennis, LF!
Yes, it seems be very similar. Thanks for info about your observing. Last ni=
ght was really very good for receiving on 137 / 500kHz.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:08:38 +0100
> From: Dennis.Hennig@gmx.de
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: XGL_WPF / Iceland 189kHz / LF condx
>=20
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> Hi Lubos, hi LF group!
>=20
> I'm still observing the RUV Radio Iceland AM transmitter on 189kHz from ti=
me to time. Nice to get a propagation feeling for this path :)
>=20
> qrb Hellissandur -> Berlin city JO62RM is 2505km
> rx-ant ab. 20sqm loop 10m agl
> rx simple TRF
>=20
> sample from "the night before" 30.Jan.9  0:12UT - 01:00UT
> peak Q4, qsb down to zero, unstable all the time
>=20
> sample from "this night" 31.Jan.9  0:04UT - 01:00UT
> stable Q4, quite strong, only one "shallow" qsb for 2-3min to Q3
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> Seems to be consistent with Your observations.
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> Have a nice weekend
> Dennis=20
> DL6NVC
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> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:27:05 +0100
> > Von: Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
> > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > Betreff: LF: XGL_WPF
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> >=20
> > Hello Warren, Anatolij, LF!
> > There were quite different conditions as the one night before. Morning R=
X
> > window was  not strong, but one FB window around midnight UT.
> > XGJ is still running with low-power? UFB signal this night!
> > =20
> > Lubos, OK2BVG
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Hello Dennis, LF!<br>Yes, it seems be very similar. Thanks for info about yo=
ur observing. Last night was really very good for receiving on 137 / 500kHz.=
<br><br>73!<br><br>Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS<br><br>**********************<br><b=
r>&gt; Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:08:38 +0100<br>&gt; From: Dennis.Hennig@gmx=
.de<br>&gt; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>&gt; Subject: Re: LF: XGL_WP=
F / Iceland 189kHz / LF condx<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Hi Lubos, h=
i LF group!<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I'm still observing the RUV Radio Iceland AM tr=
ansmitter on 189kHz from time to time. Nice to get a propagation feeling for=
 this path :)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; qrb Hellissandur -&gt; Berlin city JO62RM is=20=
2505km<br>&gt; rx-ant ab. 20sqm loop 10m agl<br>&gt; rx simple TRF<br>&gt; <=
br>&gt; sample from "the night before" 30.Jan.9  0:12UT - 01:00UT<br>&gt; pe=
ak Q4, qsb down to zero, unstable all the time<br>&gt; <br>&gt; sample from=20=
"this night" 31.Jan.9  0:04UT - 01:00UT<br>&gt; stable Q4, quite strong, onl=
y one "shallow" qsb for 2-3min to Q3<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Seems to be consistent=
 with Your observations.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Have a nice weekend<br>&gt; Dennis=
 <br>&gt; DL6NVC<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt;  <br>&gt; <br>&=
gt; <br>&gt; -------- Original-Nachricht --------<br>&gt; &gt; Datum: Sat, 3=
1 Jan 2009 08:27:05 +0100<br>&gt; &gt; Von: Lubos OK2BVG &lt;bvgbob@hotmail.=
com&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>&gt; &gt; Betreff:=20=
LF: XGL_WPF<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; Hello Warren, Anatolij, LF!<=
br>&gt; &gt; There were quite different conditions as the one night before.=20=
Morning RX<br>&gt; &gt; window was  not strong, but one FB window around mid=
night UT.<br>&gt; &gt; XGJ is still running with low-power? UFB signal this=20=
night!<br>&gt; &gt;  <br>&gt; &gt; Lubos, OK2BVG<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; <br>&=
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Quoting Andrey rn3agc <rn3agc@mail.ru>:

> Hello Markus,
>
>> Tomorrow at work I'll be in for some funny looks: Hey, and what did  
>>  you do since christmas? Well I spent a few nights to send four  
>> bits  to China...
>>
>
> :))
> Similar situations are familiar probably to all of us..

here is what I spent some time on for a change :  
http://www.deredactie.be/cm/de.redactie/mediatheek/1.444451

It has not always to be LF of MF ;-)

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On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:29:22 -0800 (PST)
"Steve McDonald" <jsm@gulfislands.com> wrote:

> > There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
> > already taken place on MF.
> 
> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right
> now as Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
> Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as
> he apparently does. What an amazing gift.
> 
> VE7SL / Steve
> 
> 


Except that Mal hasn't got DXCC yet for 500Khz, so obviously there's
one thing, and only one thing, that's worth persuing on MF....


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Gary,

Well that's a interesting point ,the data so far is that :-

Operators with correctly fabricated engineering elegant antenna systems and 
modest power levels have in fact crossed the Atlantic  with more confirmed 
'spots'  than those who are apparently by self  description running higher 
power levels to  more inelegant arrays , which when the array is  modelled, 
can be shown to  have extremely high angles of radiation.

On that basis it looks like  5 watts erp  from a inelegant array, though 
producing agc action  in the uk grabbers  will travel less distance than 500 
mW erp from a elegant array that displays at low level within the uk

G .

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From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
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>
> Hi John, LF,
>
> You wrote :-
>>>>>Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW ERP from 
>>>>>a
> large one.
>
> The main criteria here is that 5 watts to a large antenna would produce a
> higher ERP than from a small antenna so therefore the 5 watts would go
> farther.
>
> Question - would 2mW ERP from a large antenna go farther than 2mW from a
> small antenna to the same extent as the 5 watts to the different antennas?
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John P-G
> Sent: 25 January 2009 19:43
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:24:23 -0000
> "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.
>>
> Hello Gary, LF,
>
> I'm getting a fairly reliable signal from you, with just enough QSB to
> dip under the decoding margin from time to time.
>
> As to power reporting, I see that most people on LF/MF are attempting
> to estimate ERP, and use this figure in the beacon data.
>
> There was much discussion on the WSPR forum on the merits or otherwise
> of this approach, in the HF sphere at least.
>
> It might be easier if we adopted the same approach as is recommended
> for HF use - to report the actual TX power, not ERP.
>
> I see your last beacon is reporting 3dBm! Wow... that really is "flea
> power". Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW
> ERP from a large one.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
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Gary
A shining example of what can be achieved especially by a disabled person .=20=
It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad light!!!!!! on MF/LF some class A o=
perators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I assume they are able bodied. It us=
ed to be that a class A amateur had an advantage over the general public by=20=
being able to converse in morse code, just like another language except it w=
as totally international.
Even a worse senario, a lot of persons today cannot write, the norm is to us=
e a keypad and send text messages using some abbreviated gibbirish, grammar=20=
is not required, sort of pigeon english.=20
G3KEV

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 4:21 PM
  Subject: LF: RE: Morse code lifeline


  Hi All,

  =20

  Here is a video on the above subject at this link :-

  =20

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm

  =20

  Cheers,

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT.

  =20


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  Sent: 22 January 2009 19:21
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: Morse code lifeline

  =20

  Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009

  =20

  The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 2009

  =20

  Quote-" A Pensioner who is almost completely paralysed has learned to comm=
unicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.

  Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his 79=20=
year-old mother to communicate using her knowledge of the code."

  =20

   End of quote.

  =20

  73  Mike GW4HXO

  =20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gary</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A shining example of what can be achieved=20
especially by a disabled person . It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad=20
light!!!!!! on MF/LF some class A operators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I=
=20
assume they are able bodied. It used to be that a class A amateur had an=20
advantage over the general public by being able to converse in morse&nbsp;co=
de,=20
just like another language except it was totally international.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Even a worse senario, a lot of persons toda=
y cannot=20
write, the norm is to use a keypad and send text messages using some abbrevi=
ated=20
gibbirish, grammar is not required, sort of pigeon english. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: Morse code=20
lifeline</DIV>
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l">Hi=20
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tm     href=3D"http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm">http://news.<WB=
R     title=3Dhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm>bbc.co.uk/<WBR  =20=
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  knocking out Morse code with her thumb.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D3><SPAN     st=
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Copied in the last hour, starting from 21:00 UTC

2108 -28  1.6   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2116 -28  1.4   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2126 -22  1.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2132 -24  1.5   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2136 -23  1.5   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2142 -24  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2156 -29  1.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2202 -28  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2210 -25  1.5   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23

Rx : Perseus    Ant : Roelof mini-whip    Winrad ->VAC ->WSPR 1.01

Received in JN45sl,  QRB = 1025 km, 637 mi

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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LF, Hello!

Many thanks to all that have reported and suggested so far. I will reply to=20=
you
later. I'm busy setting up and perfecting things at the moment :)

New QRG as suggested by Jim: 136.35kHz
New MSG to aid FFT reception: Id "VVV DE OH1LSQ OH1LSQ" in 12WPM + 2 9s dash=
es
(TT in QRSS3). Cycle runs once a minute.

When I'm confident the PSU makes it like this I can raise the odds by sendin=
g
full callsign in QRSS3.

Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ


Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> LF, transmitting now. CW on 136.40kHz.
>
> Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:
>
> > LF, Hello all!
> >
> > I plan to run a test transmission on 136kHz during Friday, Saturday and
> > Sunday
> > night. The setup is very preliminary/temporary and can not be left
> unattended
> > for longer periods. The unprotected ATU has to be brought indoors when n=
ot
> in
> > use. We expect cold dry weather for the weekend so it should survive whi=
le
> in
> > use. The estimated ERP based on tests made yesterday is only 20mW. This
> > figure
> > does not include absorption in nearby objects.
> >
> > Initially the transmission will be CW only but QRSS3 with CW ID will fol=
low
> > as
> > soon as I have the ON7YD keyer software and interface set up.
> >
> > Antenna: Inverted-L 15m high with 35m horizontal wire. 20 radials 5-25m
> long,
> > half of them terminated in 0.5m deep earth rods. Rtot estimated to rough=
ly
> > 100ohms.
> > ATU: Variometer + large loading coil
> > TX: Keyed 1W 50ohm DDS signal generator feeding a pair of parallell 807'=
s
> in
> > class AB1 trough a wideband 1:5 voltage stepup transformer providing 80V=
p-p
> > for
> > the control grids. Classic parallel tuned tank with adjustable coupling
> coil.
> > Power output is measured to 65W at 810V/150mA on the plates.
> >
> > Unless I receive other suggestions for the QRG that will enable QRM-free
> QRSS
> > reception for interested stations the frequency will be 136.40kHz.
> >
> > I can not receive on 136kHz during this test. I will inform when QRV/QRT=
.
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> > Vaasa / KP03SD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>




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OK,

Well I can only see the start tones at each side of the band.
Can here anything other than QRM.

But all yours signals are still decoding 100%.
Apart from 1 which broke, and I think you retuned the antenna or something
similar shortly after.

73,
Lee.


-----Original Message-----
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Ok Thanks lee

Ive reduced to  10 watts peak o/p

G ..

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Subject: LF: RE: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq

>
> Hi Graham,
>
> Receiving your CQ in IO93gx despite some strong QRM.
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Just downloaded fldigi to see if it worked,
> So far 100% copy on each transmission since 22:20z.
>
> 73,
> Lee Hudson
> M0LMH.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
> Sent: 02 January 2009 20:28
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> Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>
> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>
> I have just downloaded MultiPSK, and am quite impressed to be getting
> nearly
>
> 100% copy, in spite of your signal being only just audible, and having 
> G3KEV's very strong CQ calls just on the edge of your bandwidth. 
> Should be ready to try for a QSO in a short while, if you like.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:30 PM
> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>
>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>> centre frequency  503 khz
>> tx mode usb
>> power 30 watts tune signal
>> Will send for next few hours
>> Reports welcome
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>>
>
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:50:28 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
> 
> The WSPR beacon is now QRT - I'm giving the electricity meter a
> rest :-)


Thanks for running it for so many hours Jim,

I didn't get a chance yesterday to do much monitoring, but I set up a
grabber to watch for OH1LSQ, and have kept each 5-minute capture
showing the range 136.7 - 136.9 overnight - with some interesting
results.

I've just reset my RX to allow both WSPR and the narrow grabber range,
and discovered that WSPR and Spec lab will happily work together at the
same time on the same PC!

I have tuned the RX to 136.000, in normal SSB bandwidth (previous WSPR
tests have used a 250Hz IF filter centred on 1500Hz / 137.500). 

This allows the Spec Lab grabber to watch the same 136.7 - 136.9 window
for Paul-Henrik and WSPR to watch 137.500

Judicious adjustment was necessary, of the twin PBT controls to remove
the commercial QRM, but it seems to work okay.

Just need some WSPR transmissions to decode, to prove the theory.

The grabber image, updated every 5 minutes, is here:



http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV


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Thanks to Dave, and to all others who reported either directly or via the WSPR spot database. I will now QRT for tonigtht.

Good night everyone
 Markus, DF6NM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave G3WCB" <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:53 AM
Subject: LF: WSPR beacon on 136kHz - DF6NM - finally...


 How about that? 
 
 - simultaneous decodes from Jim and Markus!
 
 
 233159   8  -1  1.8   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
 233959   5   0  1.6   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
 234559   7   5  1.6   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
 234559   1 -24  3.4    59  0  DF6NM JN59 23  
 
 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM  



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Dear LF Group,

The M0BMU WSPR beacon is now running on 503.5kHz again, hopefully continuing 
overnight. Any reports would be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Henny, Lubos,
   Thanks for the reports and captures!

-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
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                WE2XGR/1


2009/1/27 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:
> Hi Warren,
>
> capture XGJ
> Henny pa3cpm
> best 73s
> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
> verzonden:
> XGJ 27-01.jpg
>
> Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen
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Hi Andy, LF Group,
=20
I left my station running overnight with the PA outputting 16mW from
00:10-13:00.
This supposedly equates to -10dBm erp according to Ae efficiency
calculations.=20
But actual field strength tests still need to be made to confirm the
radiated power is anywhere near as high as predicted.
=20
Received consistent reports from G4FDD only a few miles away.
And a few longer spots from G3XVL and GM4SLV up until 02:32.
=20
Should be interesting to see what you get from your similar power.=20
Hopefully you will catch a few more stations for a better feel.
=20
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Lee M0LMH.
=20

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
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Subject: LF: QRP WSPR beacon


I have a QRP WSPR Beacon going on the usual 503870Hz frequency.     RF power
is 100mW which gives an an estimated ERP of -6dBm - needless to say the
reported power in the message is therefore wrong.
=20
Its operating at 100% duty cycle at the moment while the band is quiet - if
anyone has probs, just give a shout here and I'll drop the rate.
=20
The WSPRnet database is showing Jim's copy of it at -29dB S/N, which
compares well with the transmission an hour earlier when I made some antenna
tuning tweaks and confirmed max power from the broadband PA as 140 Watts.
Jim's report on that was +2dB S/N.   31dB higher and within 0.5dB of
expected.

Andy  G4JNT
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Andy<SP=
AN  class=3D679112114-31012009>, LF Group</SPAN>,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial  size=3D2></FONT></=
SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I left my=20=
station=20
running overnight with the PA outputting 16mW from=20
00:10-13:00.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This suppo=
sedly=20
equates to -10dBm erp according to Ae efficiency calculations.=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But actual=
 field=20
strength tests still&nbsp;need to be made to confirm the radiated power is=20
anywhere near as high as predicted.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial  size=3D2></FONT></=
SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Received c=
onsistent=20
reports from G4FDD only a few miles away.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And a few=20=
longer=20
spots from G3XVL and GM4SLV up until 02:32.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009></SPAN><SPAN class=3D226515913-3101200=
9><FONT  face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Should be=20
interesting to see what you get from your similar power. </FONT></SPAN></DIV=
>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hopefully=20=
you will=20
catch a few more stations for a better feel.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial  size=3D2></FONT></=
SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial  size=3D2>73,</FONT=
></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lee=20
M0LMH.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial  size=3D2></FONT></=
SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
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  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FON=
T    face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org]=20
  <B>On Behalf Of </B>Andy Talbot<BR><B>Sent:</B> 31 January 2009=20
  13:26<BR><B>To:</B> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: QR=
P=20
  WSPR beacon<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>I have a QRP WSPR Beacon going on the usual 503870Hz=20
  frequency.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; RF power is 100mW which&nbsp;gives=20
  an&nbsp;an estimated ERP of -6dBm - needless to say the reported power in=20=
the=20
  message is therefore wrong.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Its operating at 100% duty cycle at the moment while the band is quie=
t -=20
  if anyone has probs, just give a shout here and I'll drop the rate.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>The WSPRnet database is showing Jim's copy of it&nbsp;at -29dB S/N, w=
hich=20
  compares well with the transmission an hour earlier when I&nbsp;made some=20
  antenna tuning tweaks and confirmed max power from the broadband PA as 140=
=20
  Watts.&nbsp; Jim's report on that was +2dB S/N.&nbsp; &nbsp;31dB higher=20
  and&nbsp;within 0.5dB of expected.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR clear=3Dall>Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<BR><A    href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.co=
m">www.g4jnt.com</A><BR></DIV>
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR=
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Dear Rik, Lee, LF Group,

There are 2 database pages; the "old" and "new" format. You can get to the 
"old" from the link at the bottom of the "new" database. The Old database 
displays distance in miles and km, but not the bearing. Using the old web 
page has the advantage that you can select the 2196/600m band option to show 
all LF/MF activity, an option that is not on the new web page.

The error in distance is not just getting km and miles mixed up - the 
database shows distance M0BMU > GM4SLV as 953km, which seems to be right, 
but M0LMH > GM4SLV (definitely closer!) as 1127km, instead of 700km as it 
ought to be.

The M0BMU beacon shut down at about 1000utc - thanks for all the reports 
overnight.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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Lee,

that's the header I see at http://www.wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots

Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Lee Hudson <hudsonville@btinternet.com>:

> Gary, Rik, John, Andy
>
> That's the distance I worked it out at too.
> But interestingly 434miles is 700km as Andy confirms.
>
> My Locator is correct IO93gx Harrogate, North of Leeds.
>
> Do you see km and miles Rik?
> I have 1127km 700mi showing on John's spots.
>
> Gary and I are within an hours drive.
> Certainly not the case to IP90gg, how's the wine doing John?
>
> Lee M0LMH.
>



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H'mmm...

that'll be spark, then?

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Warren Ziegler
Sent: 27 January 2009 18:07
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: NEHRS


Jim,

         It is the founder's dream to restore 500kHz as a maritime cw
traffic frequency.
Most likely, it will be contact other similarly licensed 'coastal
stations' and perhaps some 'museum' ships.
At this point it looks like it will operate from the founders (Steve
WA1HUD) home QTH pending the donation of land and other resources.

       I wish them well but remain somewhat sceptical about the project.
--
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1


On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:56 PM, James Moritz
<james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> Dear Dave, LF Group,
>
> I looked at the NEHRS web site but am not much the wiser about what the
> nature of their project is - do you have any other info?
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:31 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR
>
>
> NEWS FLASH
> The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF
> CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts...
>
>
>



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Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in parallel 
it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase 
continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running on 
the same pc in beacon mode

8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference signal 
and is not expected to  print as reliably

All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold .. 
about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in 
level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are 
resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.

Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels 
producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised

Running  3 mode beacon

Dial set   502 khz usb

1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz

1250 hz   psk31

1500 hz  MFSK  8

Reports  welcome

Graham

G0NBD

Io83LK 




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Uwe,

Which WSPR version are you using Beacon or QSO?
I only have Beacon version at the moment & no decodes here.

73
Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
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Dear Jim,
I did see your notice conc dj8wx at the WSPRnet site.
thanks.
73
UweIdj8wx

Zitat von James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:

> Dear Uwe,
>
> Am in the process of modifying my 136kHz TX to take drive from my 
> transverter - should be ready in the next few days.
>
> BTW, have been getting one decode every 4 minutes consistently here. 
> I have been trying to upload them to the WSPRnet database, but I 
> think they have to be in the  Callsign/Locator/power beacon format 
> for this to work.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>






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Gudday Mal,

Yes, I am @ FN42pb near Brant Rock, Mass. on the East coast, south of Boston=
 where Fessenden did his magic a hundred years ago, and have copied you seve=
ral times before as well as Jim, M0BMU...

Things in my favor for reception are being close to the perfect conduction o=
f the ocean, and use of magnetic loops for RX.

Things that are out of favor are constant QRN from power lines and weather,=20=
so I use phased loops and hope that the best noise null is not where the sig=
nal is coming from.

Soon I will have an e-probe WAY out in the woods to phase against the larger=
 loop and that maybe will buy me a few more DBs out of the noise.

Anyway, you were audible regardless of our snow storm conditions...

XSH stations cannot work outside of the country, but last night would have b=
een like an old fashioned EME QSO on the first pass...

O O O O  K K

TNX Mal and best of sigs from the Colonies...

Dave - AA1A - WD2XSH/17  ( the -10db guy )

www.radiocom.net/Fessenden=20


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
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  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:52 AM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Hi agn Dave
  After research I see u are AA1A in Main. You had fb copy on my signal, sur=
prisingly Jay saw nothing, although I had copied him OOO
  Can you TX for a qso if so let me know when.
  I often copy your signal on 500 khz audible and strong at times.WD2XSH/17.=
 We could possibly have a norm CW QSO.
  Tnx agn for the photos and report=20
  de mal/g3kev/IO94SH

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: dave.riley3=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09 AM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Mal,

    Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

    http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


    73s from Dave




    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Jay
    Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and a=
gn 2214 utc
    It looks ok so far.
    mal
    g3kev


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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Gudday Mal,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Yes, I am @ FN42pb near Brant Rock, Mass. on the=
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coast, south of Boston where Fessenden did his magic a hundred years ago, an=
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have copied you several times before as well as Jim,=20
M0BMU...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Things in my favor for reception are being close=
 to=20
the perfect conduction of the ocean, and use of magnetic loops for=20
RX.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Things that are&nbsp;out of favor are constant Q=
RN=20
from power lines and weather, so I use phased loops and hope that the best n=
oise=20
null is not where the signal is coming from.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Soon I will have an e-probe WAY out in the woods=
 to=20
phase against the larger loop and that maybe will buy me a few more DBs out=20=
of=20
the noise.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Anyway, you were audible regardless of our snow=20=
storm=20
conditions...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>XSH stations cannot work outside of the country,=
 but=20
last night would have been like an old fashioned EME QSO on the first=20
pass...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>O O O O&nbsp; K K</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>TNX Mal and best of sigs from the=20
Colonies...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Dave - AA1A -=20
WD2XSH/17</FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;<STRONG><FONT size=3D2> ( the -10db guy=20
)</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi agn Dave</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After research I see u are AA1A in Main.=20=
You had=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can you TX for a qso if so let me know=20
  when.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I often copy your signal on 500 khz audib=
le and=20
  strong at times.WD2XSH/17. We could possibly have a norm CW QSO.</FONT></D=
IV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tnx agn for the photos and report </FONT>=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>de mal/g3kev/IO94SH</FONT></DIV>
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    <A title=3Ddave.riley3@verizon.net       href=3D"mailto:dave.riley3@veri=
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:=
09=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:=20=
MF=20
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    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp;=20=
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    <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>73s from Dave</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    seen 2207 then gap and agn 2214 utc<BR>It looks ok so=20
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Hello Jim, LF Group
as i have mentioned on the chat/sked wsprnet page i left my rx setup 
running overnight
this is a list of  your wspr beacon decoding
2226 -20  0.6   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2232 -17  0.8   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2236 -18  0.8   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2242 -19  0.7   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2246 -19  0.6   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2254 -21  0.8   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2258 -22 -0.7   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2302 -23  0.7   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2308 -23  0.7   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2326 -25  0.7   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2334 -27  0.6   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
0014 -26  0.6   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
0022 -27 -0.3   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
0028 -27  0.6   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
0034 -26  0.6   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
0104 -25  0.7   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
0116 -29  0.6   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
today  morning i saw  ( and i 've heard)  a strong qrm so all setup went 
off.
the last positive trace of the beacon ( -29dB) was at 0116 utc and as 
you can see it was gone after
assuming that you were running the beacon all night i  do not think it 
was such  a long ( and deep) fade  of the signal
so  ,possibly it had to be a local qrm which  made the decoding 
impossible for the rest of the night.
                                                                                               
73, peter, sq7mpj
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Hello Jim i am tonight on 1838.040 kHz WSPR beacon with  2W.
 
F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP

Dear LF Group,

I plan to operate the WSPR beacon again on  503.51kHz +/- RF (0.502MHz "dial 
frequency") from around 2200utc. Any  reports would be very welcome.  The TX 
will be on 33% duty cycle, so if  anyone else wants to join in, I should be 
able to give reports  too.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Mal

If you can operate duplex like last time perhaps you should begin transmitti=
ng at 2200Z and I'll break in when I see your signal. You had better copy on=
 my signal last time. Unfortunately I can only hang around until 2330Z tonig=
ht. Frequencies are as you stated in your previous e mail.=20

Jay


=20
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  From: mal hamilton=20
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  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:21 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Jay
  Sunset ur end  could be a good start time. I can work Russians sunset and=20=
before fm here across as far as UA9 es UA0 and ZL.

  73 mal/g3kev

    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:21 PM
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    Mal

    Antenna is back up in the air here...but we're expecting a snow storm st=
arting mid afternoon running through tomorrow morning. Suspect static levels=
 will be high but will be happy to take a look...if you care to transmit at=20=
a specific time.

    Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: mal hamilton=20
      To: rsgb=20
      Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:46 AM
      Subject: LF: MF CONDX


      MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone avail=
able this week end.
      Temp minus 3 today so far antenna ok

      mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you can operate duplex like last time pe=
rhaps=20
you should begin transmitting at 2200Z and I'll break in when I see your sig=
nal.=20
You had&nbsp;better copy on my signal last time. Unfortunately I can only ha=
ng=20
around until 2330Z tonight. Frequencies are as you stated in your previous e=
=20
mail. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sunset ur end&nbsp; could be a good start=
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  can work Russians sunset and before fm here across as far as UA9 es UA0 an=
d=20
  ZL.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: MF CONDX</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
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t we're=20
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    morning. Suspect static levels will be high but will be happy to take a=20
    look...if you care to transmit at a specific time.</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp;=20
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r: black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net"=
>mal=20
      hamilton</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A         title=3Drsgb_lf_=
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 200=
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: MF CONDX</DIV>
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      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF condx vy good at present. Now is t=
he time=20
      for TR&nbsp;QSO'S anyone available this week end.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Temp minus 3 today so far antenna=20
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      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Jim

Had a look at noon using an Argo QRSS10 screen and could not find a single
open area wider than 5.02 Hz anywhere in the band. All 5.02 Hz spaced lines
are plenty bright so they're likely a problem for WSPR. Guess the program
wasn't designed to co-exist with loran...

Jay

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: LF: Re: 136khz WSPR


> Dear Jay, Vernon, LF Group,
>
> Jay - Thanks for looking -  I can see that could be the problem!
>
> The WSPR signal has a bandwidth of around 6Hz, so the problem is finding 
> that much of a gap between lines. E.g. with the Northeastern USA chain 
> with 9960 GRI, lines should appear every 5.02Hz roughly, although I expect 
> some will probably be stronger than others. Can you look with Argo on a 
> wider setting to see if there are any 6Hz wide spaces, or at least areas 
> where the lines are weaker?
>
> Vernon - I'm afraid "SCP/LN8PHG" probably isn't a genuine signal, but WSPR 
> producing a false decode - this is fairly common when narrow-band QRM is 
> present, although only occurs rarely when just the band noise is present. 
> Because of the way WSPR encodes/decodes, it will usually try to format any 
> "gobbledygook" as a legitimate message with callsigns, reports, etc. You 
> can usually tell by the outlandish callsigns and locators. A pity really, 
> otherwise they would be pretty impressive DX!
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
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=20
Yes Andrey i retry next week end because snow in Paris and scheduled all =20
night long.
=20
=20

F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010

_http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20

=20
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Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 05/01/2009 16:31:37 Paris, Madrid, rn3agc@mail.ru a=
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=E9crit :

Hello  Nicolas, Henny, Lubos, Marco, LF,
Thanks for the reports!

Nicolas,  you was yesterday very well visible on grabber DL2HRE.
Can will try to work  as a beacon all night long?
It is very interesting to me to receive your  signal.
I think, and not only me.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in  KO85SV





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Ok Gary,

Looks like we are not alone ... hihi=20

>>> on the road to linearity ... was that the one with Greta Garbo ? hihi=20




From: Gary - G4WGT=20
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Graham, LF,

=20

Thanks for "Flying The Flag" for me.

=20

I am very pleased to say the least that the transverter worked & that my ide=
a using the TS-440 to compliment the set also worked. Just need to iron out=20=
a few wrinkles but making good progress now.

=20

I would also like to thank Graham (G0NBD) for his help & advice during the c=
onstruction of my project.

=20

I will in due course continue the documentation of my project on the UK500KH=
Z web site :-

=20

http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz

=20

Good luck to others who venture on the road to linearity.

=20

73,

=20

Gary - G4WGT.

=20


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=20

First Linear data qso  G4WGT / G0NBD

=20

Congratulations are in order !=20

=20

Gary has successfully tested his home made HF to 500 Tx converter and 500 to=
 HF Rx converter this evening, utilising a TS440 as the primary driver and t=
he TS440 power amplifier , producing 20 watts on 500 Khz=20

=20

A good steady signal using PSK31 was received by myself  during a short exch=
ange of reports on 503.6 Khz .=20

=20

This now raises the number of station capable of transmitting all modes on 5=
00 to  three, notably each station deploying differing approaches.

=20

G0NBD           Refurbished Military and Marine=20

M0BMU          His own design Linear  class E system

G4WGT           Classic linear HF/MF  home made transverter

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G ..=20



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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma">
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A   title=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tis=
cali.co.uk&#10;CTRL + Click to follow link"   href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.c=
o.uk">Gary - G4WGT</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 16, 2009 3:59 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A   title=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&#10;CTRL +=
 Click to follow link"   href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_l=
f_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> *** SPAM ***LF: RE: First Linear data qso G4WGT /=20
G0NBD</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">G=
raham,=20
LF,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">T=
hanks=20
for =93Flying The Flag=94 for me.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">I=
 am=20
very pleased to say the least that the transverter worked &amp; that my idea=
=20
using the TS-440 to compliment the set also worked. Just need to iron out a=20=
few=20
wrinkles but making good progress now.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">I=
=20
would also like to thank Graham (G0NBD) for his help &amp; advice during the=
=20
construction of my project.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">I=
=20
will in due course continue the documentation of my project on the UK500KHZ=20=
web=20
site :-<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><=
A   href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz">http://groups.google.co=
m/group/uk500khz</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">G=
ood=20
luck to others who venture on the road to=20
linearity.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">7=
3,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">G=
ary=20
- G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<DIV>
<DIV style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter><FONT siz=
e=3D3   face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=3DEN-U=
S>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1 align=3Dcenter SIZE=3D2 width=3D"100%">
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-F=
AMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"   lang=3DEN-US>From:</SPA=
N></FONT></B><FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Taho=
ma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-US> owner-<st1:PersonName   w:st=3D"on">rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName>=20
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName   w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st=
1:PersonName>] <B><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></=
B>Graham<BR><B><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 15 Janua=
ry 2009 23:08<BR><B><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:=
PersonName   w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><BR><B=
><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> LF: First Linear da=
ta qso G4WGT /=20
G0NBD</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">First Linear data qso&nbsp; G4WGT /=20
G0NBD<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Congratulations are in order !=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Gary has successfully tested his home made HF to 500 Tx=
=20
converter and 500 to HF Rx converter this evening, utilising a TS440 as the=20
primary driver and the TS440 power amplifier , producing 20 watts on 500 Khz=
=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">A good steady signal using PSK31 was received by=20
myself&nbsp; during a short exchange of reports on 503.6 Khz .=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This now raises the number of station capable of=20
transmitting all modes on 500 to&nbsp; three, notably each station deploying=
=20
differing approaches.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">G0NBD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;=20
Refurbished Military and Marine <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">M0BMU&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;=20
His own design Linear&nbsp; class E system<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">G4WGT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;=20
Classic linear HF/MF&nbsp; home made transverter<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P=
>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">G ..=20
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P>
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Looking good at the moment John,

Last decode at +8 !  frequency should be 950 , but i notice the
504 signal is showing 1 Hz  low on the wspr display ...  not much
I can do  about  that the rx tunes in 10 Hz steps and the tx in 100 Hz

What tx capability do  you have  re qso ?

G ..

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From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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>
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:39:59 -0000
> "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Thanks John,
>>
>> looks like that signal would print rtty !
>>
>
> Yes. I think it might do, we should try one night.
>
>> wspr looks to  be ok at the moment .. only +1 hz
>
> Don't believe my freq calibration - the R75 doesn't have the high stab
> osc, and its internal master osc hasn't been tweaked - although it
> seems pretty consistent with the other spots.
>
>
> I've just tuned down to look for GW4HXO on 501.5 testing a new TX. The
> grabber has moved to 501-502 kHz. His CW is RST 539 in SSB
> mode/bandwidth!
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
>
>



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Andy and the Digi Boys
Would it be possible to move to 1.9 mhz and upwards and leave 137 and 500 
khz to the discerning CW radio amateurs
de mal/g3kev

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From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PSK CONTACT G4JNT - M0BMU


> Yes, can't work out where the frequency shift came from.  I did
> initially lock onto Jim's tramsission at the begining of each of his
> overs, so I would indeed have jumped in freq a couple of times.
> Subsequently 'Locked' the Tx frequency and Jim reported no more freq
> changes from me after that, although he did end up a few Hz lower
> still.
>
> I was using Digipan software which is a bit too QSO-orientated and too
> easy to shift frequency to follow others.  So it is quite possible to
> end up chasing eachother up and down the band!
> Perhaps it would have been better to use G3PLX's  'PSK31SBW' software
> which puts precise frequency setting first and QSO mode gimmicks
> second.
>
> Anyway, I estimate somewhere between -7 to -4dBW, and will only know
> better after some antenna base current measurements, rather than doing
> it an the end of 20m of feeder in the shack.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/18 DENNIS EASTERLING <dennis.easterling@btinternet.com>:
>> Monitored above contact Sunday 1530.
>> M0BMUs signal so strong that I thought it was Chris G3XIZ about 1 km from 
>> me
>> in Biggleswade testing RTTY at 23Hz shift.   Tried replying then realised 
>> it
>> was PSK.   Switched to Digipan and would estimate M0BMU strength 9 and 
>> G4JNT
>> strength 3 but  both perfectly readable.   I would confirm that G4JNT did
>> drift slightly between overs.
>>
>> 73 Dennis M0JXM
>


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Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have had se=
veral requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to submit a cct=
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r POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
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Build one and have a QSO using this RX
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We seem to have a problem with output. We could hear DK4U 539, OE3KM/1
with 549 and DL2HRE with 419 this morning, but nobody responded to our
calls.&nbsp; At about&nbsp; 11.00UTC we blew the last FET and had to QRT. I have
reordered them now and will beef-up the transmitter for next wekend.<br>
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73 Heinz, OE5EEP<br>
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  <pre wrap="">Greetings all,

Just met G3XDV on 136.7 kHz in CW - thanks Mike - , now still waiting for OE5 or others to become audible.

I can see traces of what may be Heinz' CW signal on the spectrogram, but not sure.

No positive callsign identification in JO42FD yet.

Will keep listening for an hour or so.
QRM - mostly Luxemburg-type howling- is terrible here.

Have a nice Sunday,
 73 , 
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:38:31 -0000
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> Copy from Jim, but not Markus :-(
> 

Got them both in the 23:46 period!

Jim -12
Markus -13

This is very encouraging!

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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
writes:
Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have had
several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to submit
a cct I will await replies. This method was used successfully  at Coldiz
and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to
MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.
Build one and have a QSO using this RX
g3kev
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Hello Graham, LF!
I have never tested to decode Olivia mode. But I downloaded MixW and I will try to instal and open it.
It might be interesting...

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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Thanks Lubos 
 
That looks like a printable signal ? do you have a decode 
?
 
Graham . 




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Signal on 503kHz

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Hello Graham, LF!<br>I have never tested to decode Olivia mode. But I downloaded MixW and I will try to instal and open it.<br>It might be interesting...<br><br>Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS<br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk<br>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:44:51 +0000<br>Subject: Re: LF: OLIVIA<br><br>




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<div><font face="Arial">Thanks Lubos </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">That looks like a printable signal ? do you have a decode 
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<div><br></div>Signal on 503kHz<br><br>Lubos, OK2BVG<br><br>
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----- Original Message ----- 
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> Ed
> I will be QRV on 502.57 khz  QRS 3 to start if u hear me pse call for 
> xband qso.
> Mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ed RU6LA" <ed@dx.ru>
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> Subject: LF: RU6LA's acty 3-4 jan
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> Dear LF enthusiasts!
>
> My best wishes and a Happy New Year to all LF/MF enthusiasts!
>
> TNX to all for QSOs, reports and captures of my last activity 13-14 dec!
>
> I'll work 3-4 jan on 137 KHz band
>
> In my plans is such:
>
> - I'll do a beacon for the East (ZL/VK/BY/UA As...) from 1330z QRSS60
> abt 137779 (sunset in KN97LN abt 1345z);
>
> - I'll do a beacon for Northern America (if my beacon is interesting?)
> from 23z QRSS60 abt 136319 (sunrise in KN97LN abt 0515z);
>
> - 2way QSOs in CW/slow (my freq 137703) from abt 19z till abt 23z
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> I have very unstable Internet (GPRS) on the Machta ;-( - I can long
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> 73! Ed RU6LA   136.73.ru
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James Moritz wrote:

> John - your lack of trees is not such a bad thing on 136k, where they soak 
> up a lot of your TX power.

Jim, LF,

Yes, on this point I'd agree, and it's probably why I did okay on
500kHz, up to a point.

However the lack of ANYTHING tall in the adjacent area makes it awfully
tricky to hang any respectable amount of wire in the air. I could run a
horizontal wire back the the chimney on the house, at about 8m agl, but
I try to keep wire as far away as possible from the house - a great
source of QRM.

My 8m vertical with a few sloping radials is tuneable on 500kHz, with an
efficiency of 0.5% or so, given the poor ground losses I have due to
waterlogged peat and rock, but on 136 I think I'd struggle to radiate
anything without resorting to some seriously high TX power - with all
the problems of high volts and general arcy-sparky that would ensue.

I did try the fibreglass pole at 12m but the severe weather soon saw to
that. At its reduced height of 8m it's survived all that Shetland storms
can throw at it.

To go much higher I'd need to excavate holes and form some concrete
blocks for holding guying points, and another for the mast base, and
then I might get 15-20m or so, in scaffold pole. A tower is out of the
question, for expense and visual impact. There's still nowhere for a
long horizontal top load to run to, and stay a sensible height AGL. All
in all, more engineering than I'm prepared to do, certainly at this time
of year.

Will look for more WSPR on 136.

Cheers,

John




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Jim, Michel, LF,

At last, I have played around with the Rx, filter, AGC & pre-amp settings &
I now have a decode of F5WK.

090117 2110  10 -22  0.0   0.137575  F5WK JN18 37            0     1    0
090117 2112  17 -15  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 2116  18 -13 -0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 2116   6 -24  0.1   0.137575  F5WK JN18 37            0     3    0

73, de Gary - G4WGT.


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Subject: LF: RE: OH1LSQ QRSS, F5WK WSPR

Jim, LF,

Good copy of M0BMU as usual. I am seeing F5WK on the WSPR display but no
decode?

I have no idea what the 1870 is near the bottom?

73

Gary - G4WGT.

090117 1752  29  -4  0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1756  30  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1806  29  -4  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1814  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1820  27  -4 -0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1824  30  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1828  27  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1832  27  -6  0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1840  26  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1848  29  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1852  27  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1856  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1902  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1908  20 -13  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1914  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1922  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0  1870    0
090117 1928  27  -5 -0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1936  24  -8  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 17 January 2009 18:21
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Subject: LF: OH1LSQ QRSS, F5WK WSPR

Dear Paul-Henrik, Michel, LF Group,

I just checked 136.8kHz, and OH1LSQ is a weak "M" copy signal here, just 
after dark. Will check again later.

F5WK appeared on my WSPR log at 1504utc, and has been solid copy since then.

In fact, the signal is audible here at about S3 or 4. DF6NM has also been 
copied until 1718.

I have now (1748utc) re-started the M0BMU WSPR beacon - any reports very 
welcome.

Cheers, Jim moritz
73 de M0BMU 





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Dear John,

Just put the TX back on for a few mins...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Just need some WSPR transmissions to decode, to prove the theory.
> 
> The grabber image, updated every 5 minutes, is here:
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg
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Dear John,

Can do, if you like... will need to wait until about 2000utc while I sort 
out some other things. Is that OK?

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Jim, LF,
>
> Are you, or any others, going to run WSPR again tonight?
>
> I am setting up for RX only mode on 136 and WSPR is a gread way to test
> and monitor things.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
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> On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:19:59 -0000
> "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
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>> Dear LF Group,
>>
>> I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/-
>> (136.0kHz "dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any reports
>> would be very welcome.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>>
> 



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Taking up 1 khz bandwidth in a 3 khz slot.
QRM GENERATOR

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> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>
> centre frequency  503 khz
>
> tx mode usb
>
> power 30 watts tune signal
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> Will send for next few hours
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> Reports welcome
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> Graham
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Ok Rick,

Well at the moment gary is reporting -8 at 22 miles in ground wave,  , the 
power meter is moving the width of the needle and the power must be round 
200/300 mW to the aE

Ive set 100 % tx as the rx is jammed with 100 Hz noise sidebands  and wspr 
is uploading 'odd' things hihi . but at this level dont need the pa fan !

I will leave it like this for a while .. see what comes back

Tnx- G ..

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From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
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Subject: Re: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae .. geting silly !!!

>
> Graham,
>
> at 20:58 it was -19dB SNR.
> I have been able to decode as weak as -30dB, so 50mW would do the job.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
> Quoting Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>
>> Just had this spot from OR7T  ....  500 mW feed power  to  35 ft top
>> loaded vertical ..!
>>
>> 2009-01-30 20:50   G0NBD   0.503952   -21   0   IO83lk   +13   0.020
>> OR7T JO20ix   594   369
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:36 PM
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae
>>
>>>
>>> Still looks to  be working at range .. outstanding !
>>>
>>> all I can do  next is take the drive from the exciter direct to the Ae ?
>>> G ..
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:28 PM
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Subject: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ok All ,
>>>>
>>>> Well   from what I can measure  , power to the Ae is  500mW at the 
>>>> moment
>>>> as of about 20-25 hrs ...
>>>>
>>>> Initial level was 30 watts  feed
>>>>
>>>> See what happens ?
>>>>
>>>> G ..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
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Thanks Lubos=20

That looks like a printable signal ? do you have a decode ?

Graham .=20


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Signal on 503kHz

Lubos, OK2BVG


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Mal - as ever its when I should be sleeping (like now) - from your dusk till=
 my dawn. Dawn here is around 2315z at the moment. Im getting UA4WPF on 137.=
78037 and 137.78045 DFCW appx coming thru well at the moment. Give me a wind=
ow and ill move down there, though long haul isnt that bright DCF39 being -7=
8 at the moment..
=20
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Laurence
What is the best time for u to llsn for UK es EU. I will be QRV on 137.0 khz=
 later qrs3.
73 de mal/g3kev
=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
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I returned the Eastern China Grabber back to 137/500 at local dusk - it resi=
des on 30m Knights during the day save when it gets used for work. Pretty qu=
iet tonight s/n wise loads of lines to be seen. Its 1316z and both DCF39 and=
 Budapest 135.43 are just audible. It will be and off for a little while whi=
lst Im doing some NDB calibration for a couple of vessels in the Yellow and=20=
Bohai Seas.  Laurence BY3A/Kl1Xhttp://kl1x.com > Date:

Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE=85more than just e-mail. See how it works.=20



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Mal - as ever its when I should be sleeping (like now) - from your dusk till=
 my dawn. Dawn here is around 2315z at the moment. Im getting UA4WPF on 137.=
78037 and 137.78045 DFCW appx coming thru well at the moment. Give me a wind=
ow and ill move down there, though long haul isnt that bright DCF39 being -7=
8 at the moment..<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence <BR><BR><BR>

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Laurence</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>What is the best time for u to llsn for UK es EU. I=20=
will be QRV on 137.0 khz later qrs3.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>73 de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>I returned the Eastern China Grabber back to 137/500 at local=
 dusk - it resides on 30m Knights during the day save when it gets used for=20=
work. Pretty quiet tonight s/n wise loads of lines to be seen. Its 1316z and=
 both DCF39 and Budapest 135.43 are just audible.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>It will be an=
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Dear LF Group

The M0BMU WSPR Beacon went QRT at about 1000utc - thanks for all the 
reports. Best DX of the night was of course from WD2XSH/17 at 5245km, 
according to my software - thanks, Dave. Also good copy here of G4WGT last 
night and G4JNT this morning. It was interesting to see that both G4JNT and 
myself were being copied by GM4SLV during daylight.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Thank you Lubos!
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73 Warren K2ORS
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2009/1/28 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>:
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> There was a lot of noise last night. I saw traces of "XGJ" and signal from
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> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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The WSPR spots doesn't work for the LF band.
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Hello Uwe,very weak signal,correct decoding only one time .
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090110 1804   3 -27  1.1   0.135976  73 DE  DJ8WX JO43
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F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

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Hello Uwe , Jame , LF

Nothing also

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj  JN06ht

James Moritz a =E9crit :
> Dear Uwe, LF Group,
>
> Nil copy since 2124utc - nothing visible on the spectrogram either.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
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On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:36:56 +0000 (GMT)
M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> =C2=A0I will start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s.

This will test the CW rise/fall time shaping of all these class
d/e home made manual telegraphy transmitters.=20

It will also require that the CW operators remain below 12wpm.

John



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Hello Victor , LF
Yes ! see on my grabber  at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

victor13@online.nl a =E9crit :
> 137775 now
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Final report, before going to bed.

2220 -16  2.6   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
2226 -16  2.6   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2230 -19  2.7   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2234 -20  2.8   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2256 -24  2.9   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2302 -20  2.8   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2304 -20  2.8   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2306 -22  2.8   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2314 -23  2.8   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2340 -25  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
0010 -26  1.2   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
0016 -27  1.2   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
0020 -18  3.1   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
0024 -17  3.2   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Dear Paul-Henrik, LF Group,

It would appear you have QSY'd to 136.35kHz at around 1914utc... Still "O" 
copy in QRSS3 terms.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Good evening dear Victor !
Many thanks , i hope to see you on 137 khz .
All the best to you and good luck !

Victor ua3pw.




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Alberto if you understood the dih-dah code you would think different, it is 
more skilled than an appliance black box, press button A or B etc.
Why does it have to be on 137 or 500 khz where both bands are limited to a 
few khz, try another amateur band where more space is available.
You will find the majority of DIGI box operators cannot send DIH-DAH on a 
morse key, that is why they are using digi boxes.

g3kev
----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PSK CONTACT G4JNT - M0BMU


> mal hamilton wrote:
>> Andy and the Digi Boys
>> Would it be possible to move to 1.9 mhz and upwards and leave 137 and 500
>> khz to the discerning CW radio amateurs
>> de mal/g3kev
>
> Please don't listen to Mal. I am much interested in receiving digital 
> signals
> on the 137 and the 500 kHz bands. Much more interesting than boring 
> dih-dah-dih.
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
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Hi Markus & LF,

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Thanks to you & all who sent reports direct or as uploads to the spots page.

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Cheers,

=20

Gary =96 G4WGT.

=20

  _____ =20

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Markus Vester
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Subject: LF: WSPR 503.5 - G4WGT

=20

Dear Gary,

=20

just a single decode here last night, but you've come a fair way with your 2
milliwatts:


2009-01-25 23:12   G4WGT   0.503552   -30   0   IO83qp   +3   0.002   DF6NM
JN59nk   1057   657=20


Also nice signals from G4JNT, and M0BMU reliable through the night.

My RX setup was a freerunning Degen DE 1103 (hence the overnight drift). The
input was capacitively coupled to the LF antenna, which is currently lowered
to about 3 m above the roof.

Best wishes
Markus

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2009-01-25 23:12&nbsp;&nbsp; G4WGT&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.503552&nbsp;&nbsp;
-30&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; IO83qp&nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp;&nbsp;
0.002&nbsp;&nbsp; DF6NM&nbsp;&nbsp; JN59nk&nbsp;&nbsp; 1057&nbsp;&nbsp; 657=20=
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Also nice signals from G4JNT, and&nbsp;M0BMU reliable through the night.<br>
<br>
My RX setup was a freerunning <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">D=
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drift). The input&nbsp;was capacitively coupled to the LF antenna, which is
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<br>
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Tnx Dave.
You do not say where u are or who u are so have no idea of distance.
mal/g3kev/scarborough

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  Mal,

  Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


  73s from Dave




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  Jay
  Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and agn=
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  It looks ok so far.
  mal
  g3kev


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tnx Dave.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You do not say where u are or who u are so=20=
have no=20
idea of distance.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal/g3kev/scarborough</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Ddave.riley3@verizon.net     href=3D"mailto:dave.riley3@verizon.=
net">dave.riley3</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09=
=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF=
=20
  CONDX</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <A=
     href=3D"http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg">http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.=
jpg</A><BR></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D3><A     href=3D"http://www.radiocom.net/=
KEV9.jpg">http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg</A></FONT></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D3></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>73s from Dave</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><BR><BR><STRONG>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: mal hamilton=20
  <BR>To: <A     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@=
blacksheep.org</A>=20
  <BR>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM<BR>Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: R=
e:=20
  MF CONDX<BR><BR><BR>Jay<BR>Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first=
=20
  seen 2207 then gap and agn 2214 utc<BR>It looks ok so=20
  far.<BR>mal<BR>g3kev</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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  <HR>

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Hi Mike,
> eBay # 400022294251
>
> That would make a nice 600m amp?
>
or at least an impressive shack heater. 140 to 160 ampere filament 
current ,  7.5 kW anode dissipation :-)
73, Wolf
 (temperatures about -17 deg celsius expected tonight, brrrrr)



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Hello all on LF ,

What it is this signal at 18:30z on 136,309 kHz
see capture .

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

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Congrats with your new antenna Joe,very good signal on this side!


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Dear LF enthusiasts!

My best wishes and a Happy New Year to all LF/MF enthusiasts!

TNX to all for QSOs, reports and captures of my last activity 13-14 dec!

I'll work 3-4 jan on 137 KHz band

In my plans is such:

- I'll do a beacon for the East (ZL/VK/BY/UA As...) from 1330z QRSS60
abt 137779 (sunset in KN97LN abt 1345z);

- I'll do a beacon for Northern America (if my beacon is interesting?)
from 23z QRSS60 abt 136319 (sunrise in KN97LN abt 0515z);

- 2way QSOs in CW/slow (my freq 137703) from abt 19z till abt 23z

I have very unstable Internet (GPRS) on the Machta ;-( - I can long
not answer msgs

73! Ed RU6LA   136.73.ru


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No, but I don't see any reason why they won't work at 50Hz just as
well as normal ones.
In fact better, due to the lower Vf.

Andy  G4JNT
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2009/1/23 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Andy
> Have you used these diodes in a linear psu
> mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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> Subject: Re: LF: Re: rectifiers
>
>
>> Quite likely Schottky diodes.   Much lower forward voltage drop -
>> typical 0.15 to 0.3V at rated current, and OK for fasr SMPSUs.
>> Reverse leakage can be very high.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/23 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>>
>>> MF/LF
>>> For interest, nearly every diode that I have tested varies one from
>>> another
>>> even a matched batch. I suppose normally constructers just grab the
>>> required
>>> number for a project and start soldering. Perhaps its not that important
>>> as
>>> long as they are conducting in one direction and offer some resistance in
>>> the reverse direction.
>>> mal/g3kev
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: mal hamilton
>>> To: rsgb
>>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:56 PM
>>> Subject: LF: rectifiers
>>> I have found some rectifiers MBR 6045 and although these would do the
>>> job, I
>>> notice the FORWARD/REVERSE resistance is a lot lower than normal silicon
>>> high curent rectifiers.
>>> de mal/g3kev
>>>
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Hi Marco!

Thank you very much for providing my bedtime sweets tonight :)
Dennis
dl6nvc



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> Datum: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:16:24 +0100
> Von: Marco IK1ODO <ik1odo@spin-it.com>
> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Betreff: Re: LF: Luxemburg effect?

> Dennis,
> 
> the Luxemburg effect was discussed here in 1999 and 2003 :-) - this 
> group has a long history.
> 
> I attach a ZIP containing several messages from that time; you will 
> find many answers.
> 
> 73 - Marco IK1ODO
> 

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If you have a radio with adjustable CW mode like most SDRs, and the
RA1792, its easier to use CW mode.  Tune to the centre frequency of
interest, set the filter appropriately and the BFO to the decoders
preferred tone.

For last nights listening, my SDR-IQ was set to CW mode, audio lower
freq 400Hz, upper freq 1600Hz, BFO 1000Hz

(You can set arbitrary upper/lower linits on the SSB filter as well on
Spectravue), but guess who initially fell foul of seeing 503kHz
specified and assumed it meant the same as the JT65A freq the other
night.  So, on seeing the tones not where they 'should' have been and
re-reading the email post...

Must get round to writing a WSPR PIC routine for the AD9852 DDS
similar to my existing JT65 beacons.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
> Tx bandwidth  and out of band signals ,
>
> Well after picking up the toys from around the cot and tidying up  the baby
> finally  fell asleep ,silence finally ensued, a little familiarisation with
> the way the radio works may help, just because the  rx dial  displays a
> frequency out side the allocated band, doesn't actually mean the signal is
> out side the band .. its all to do  with filter shape factor  and the
> placement of the filter .... bit like dougle asking farther ted, are all the
> cows in the field the same size as his little plastic toy one... no dougle,
> this ones in your hand  and those are far away , right ted came the quick
> reply .from a still confused dougle .
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:54 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq
>
>>
>> OM
>> Your transmission is outside the band limit, spreading to 504.6 khz.
>> I can see why OFCOM are concerned about stricter control concerning data
>> mode bandwidth.
>> g3kev
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:30 PM
>> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>>
>>
>>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>>>
>>> centre frequency  503 khz
>>>
>>> tx mode usb
>>>
>>> power 30 watts tune signal
>>>
>>> Will send for next few hours
>>>
>>> Reports welcome
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Hi Dennis it isnt called that by the professionals. Radio Luxembourg was one
of the strongest pre WWII BC stations in Europe and it gave problems in the
UK with stations further into Europe.

Try searching for Ionospheric Cross-Modulation or maybe ionosphereic
intermodulation. I had long discussions with Vaino OH2LX about this many
years ago before he became ill. One of the best researches was done by an
engineer at the BBC but I dont recall his name. I maybe still have the
references.  From what I remember the effect is roughly along a line with
the "victim" furthest from the receiver but very approximately the other
side of the "heater" (as one might expect)

Alan G3NYK

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>
> Hi Markus, hi group!
>
> Thank you Marcus for mentioning the "Luxemburg effect".
> Yes I had a rough idea that its somekind of cross modulation in the
ionosphere,
> when a strong signal is present.
>
> Now I want to know more. Using a search engine for half an hour, I'm not
satisfied with the infos.
> How does this interaction, modulation take place, where is the
nonlinearity?
>
> Do You know useful links or even a book to read about it?
>
> Thank You!
> Have a nice evening
> Dennis
>
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Hello Jim,

Thanks for the info. What is your actual ERP then, with the lowered antenna=20=
?
For comparison, a few SNR- readings directly from the decoder (at DF0WD; 200=
 meter wire):

0900  -7  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
0918  -9  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
0922 -10  0.3   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
0928  -9  0.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
0944  -9  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
0958  -6  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1006  -5  0.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1010  -5  0.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1014  -6  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1020  -6  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1024  -5  0.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1028  -3  0.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1034  -5  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1034 -11  3.3   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J
1038  -4  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1038 -10  3.3   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J
1042  -4  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1042 -11  3.2   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J
1050  -5  0.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1050 -10  3.2   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J


Besides that:=20
DK1KH calling CQ in CW from JN58 at the moment on 136.537 kHz,
also just appeared: DL1EIE in CW on 136.7 kHz .

Guess I'll QSY soon, but the WSPR decoder at home (@ dl4yhf) will keep runni=
ng for a while.

Cheers,=20
  Wolf .




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... this it what it looked like here at 20:18. Nice job with 20 mW!

73 - Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK

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Dear Paul-Henrik, LF Group,

Now building up to "O" copy...

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Please answer the question.  I did not ask if it could be used on 500 at 
present., but if so one would TX using MCW or Keyed Tone and old spy tric.
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From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
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Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


> Mal,
>
> I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector when I
> was 14 years old.
> It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor 
> detector.
> And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
>
> Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
>> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I
>> have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the
>> opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was
>> used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC
>> broadcasts.
>> Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable
>> to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these
>> bands.
>> Build one and have a QSO using this RX
>> g3kev
>>
>
>
>
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Dear Jay, Vernon, LF Group,

Jay - Thanks for looking -  I can see that could be the problem!

The WSPR signal has a bandwidth of around 6Hz, so the problem is finding 
that much of a gap between lines. E.g. with the Northeastern USA chain with 
9960 GRI, lines should appear every 5.02Hz roughly, although I expect some 
will probably be stronger than others. Can you look with Argo on a wider 
setting to see if there are any 6Hz wide spaces, or at least areas where the 
lines are weaker?

Vernon - I'm afraid "SCP/LN8PHG" probably isn't a genuine signal, but WSPR 
producing a false decode - this is fairly common when narrow-band QRM is 
present, although only occurs rarely when just the band noise is present. 
Because of the way WSPR encodes/decodes, it will usually try to format any 
"gobbledygook" as a legitimate message with callsigns, reports, etc. You can 
usually tell by the outlandish callsigns and locators. A pity really, 
otherwise they would be pretty impressive DX!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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To assist with the preparation for the agenda item (1.23) on 500kHz at
WRC11, I'm looking to form a small working group within RSGB to help form a
consensus view within the UK.   The group's work will either come from
matters arising from the UK's International Frequency Planning Group /
Ofcom's AI 1.23 Coordinator, CEPT, or else from matters discussed within the
IARU Region 1 500kHz Working Group.

It's not entirely clear at this stage what will be asked of the group, but
it will possibly range from some monitoring, assistance with drafting
position documents and perhaps work in relation to technical studies
concerning protection to other services.  =20

I'm thus e-mailing this reflector as the most likely place where I will find
RSGB members actively interested in 500kHz, some of whom may wish to join a
small group to actively participate in, rather than just monitor, this work.


Please drop me a direct e-mail if you are interested in joining.

73 John, G3WKL
RSGB HF Manager

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Its PAINFUL to wait and watch G4WGT and G4JNT for a DECODE. The trace from b=
oth stations is solid, pse try QRS it is much quicker.
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Hi Joe
capture vo1na
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s

Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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2009/1/26 Mark <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk>:
> GR-874 I haven't seen any of those for a while, but I can see how any
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I've just applied for an SRP for 501kHz, and noticed on the RSGB
Spectrum Forum website, the existing extension was only until Feb
2009.  Is there any update on that?


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


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Jean-Pierre, LF!
I had thought, that it was local noise, but then I saw it on your grabber as=
 well. This noise started 02:10 and stoped 03:05UT.

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Hi Graham,

Receiving your CQ in IO93gx despite some strong QRM.

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk

Just downloaded fldigi to see if it worked,
So far 100% copy on each transmission since 22:20z.

73,
Lee Hudson
M0LMH.


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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
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Dear Graham, LF Group,

I have just downloaded MultiPSK, and am quite impressed to be getting nearly

100% copy, in spite of your signal being only just audible, and having=20
G3KEV's very strong CQ calls just on the edge of your bandwidth. Should be=20
ready to try for a QSO in a short while, if you like.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----=20
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> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
> centre frequency  503 khz
> tx mode usb
> power 30 watts tune signal
> Will send for next few hours
> Reports welcome
>
> Graham
>
>
>=20


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Hi All,

In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top part of
the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a 200Hz
slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.

My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 503.550KHz
data.

Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.

73

Gary - G4WGT

-----Original Message-----
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John,

Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move to

the band edge without problems
clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down

With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a reasonable 
concept as it will allow other 'casual'
monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post needed 
to  announce a test !

What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or just 
sleeping ?

G ..



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From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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>
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>
> Oh no!
>
> Please let's not get into this again....
>
> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>
> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>
> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>
>
> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>
> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>
>



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DI2AM 505.180 Q5 on ARGO now @ 2143Z

Still very sunlit outside with 5 minutes left till sundown...

Yea 600M, more beacons please.!!.  SK6RUD has been much stronger lately on 
500.001kc.

Big wire loops are in...  I forgot to mention no need for lossy loading 
coils as another pro...

Cons anyone??

TNX de Dave @ WD2XSH/17  FN42pb





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> Hello LF,
>
> I find it strange that the number of grabbers active should be used as a
> measure of the conditions and activity levels of the LF bands.
>
> Surely died in the wool "real radio amateurs" - who eschew all operation
> except manual telegraphy - should care not a jot if anyone has a grabber
> online or not?
>
> If this is the "peak season" for DX then grabbers and other
> computerized aids should be superfluous, and the keen DX hunters should
> be rattling away on their keys having lots of real QSOs, not surfing
> the internet looking at online waterfall screens.
>
> It seems to me that those who run grabbers and suchlike can't win, in
> the eyes of the "real CW men".
>
> Those that provide these facilities are generally derided for spoiling
> the traditions of aurally received, manually sent, telegraphy with their
> computerized appliances.
>
> When these "appliance operators" apply themselves to other areas of
> interest, and leave the LF field bereft of grabbers, they are again
> derided for removing a useful tool for the "DX hunting CW man".
>
> Talk about double standards!
>
> John GM4SLV
> 



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Dear Jim,

I would agree on your conclusion. Theoretically, a marginal "M" qrss signal with 6 dB SNR in 0.5 Hz noise bandwidth would rank - 
34 - 3 + 6 dB = -31 dB on K1JT's scale, which is related to 2.5 kHz bandwidth. But the spectrogram impression may be a little 
"unfair", as a QRSS-3 signal with all the power contained in a single FFT bin would certainly appear brighter than this WSPR signal 
which is diluted over 6 Hz.

Kind regards
Markus, DF6NM

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Dear LF Group,

The attached bit of spectrogram was set up for QRSS3 reception and shows 2
succesfully decoded WSPR transmissions from G4WGT at -30 and -27dB SNR
respectively. I think this shows that this mode should compete well with
QRSS3 for readibility.

So far, I have:

1654   1  0.6   0.503500  0 G4JNT IO90 30
1752 -28  1.0   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
1758 -30  1.0   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
1810 -30  1.1   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
1814 -27  0.9   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Henny, Jean-Pierre and Victor,

Thanks for the reports on the beacon over the past fortnight.

73
Joe VO1NA

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, henny van elst wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
> nil on the screen
>
> Henny cpm
> 73s
>


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Hello Gary, LF

090118 1714   8 -25  1.1   0.503599  G4WGT IO83 37 

First WSPR on 500kHz

Reporting to WSPRNET

Cheers,
John


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John,

Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move to 
the band edge without problems
clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down

With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a reasonable 
concept as it will allow other 'casual'
monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post needed 
to  announce a test !

What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or just 
sleeping ?

G ..



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From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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>
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>
> Oh no!
>
> Please let's not get into this again....
>
> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>
> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>
> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>
>
> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>
> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>
> John
> GM4SLV
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New page on the group,
please add any  missing info  etc if needed ..

 Eg   could add a short note on the stations running the mode , as it seems 
each has a
different means of generation which my be of interest ?

http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/wspr-activity-from-the-uk

tnx - G ..

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>
> Ok all I think that's reasonable ?
>
> I will add a page to the group  and post links
> in other news groups  to  it, should
> widen the reporting base
>
> From the recent posts
> I assume the beacon power will
> represent ERP ?
>
> I can make this statement on the page
> If it all go's base over apex , there is the 'delete' key option
>
> Rgds
>
> Graham .
>
>
>
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> Subject: LF: WSPR   502.400  Dial frequency ?
>
>>
>>
>> Are we to  adopt  502.400 Hz  USB dial frequency for WSPR ?
>> With  1500 Hz audio centre band tone.
>>
>> RF mid band   carrier frequency of  503.900 Hz ?
>>
>> With 6 hz modulation and phase continues  tone side bands and
>> guard band are  not a issue, the band edge is protected?
>>
>> 504KHz  and its sidebands are actually  x2 of the fundamental
>> so  should not present a problem as the 200 Hz slot is in a
>> close in, dead zone, there amplitude increasing lower into the band,
>> one of the reasons qrss and range testing takes place in this
>> 'noisy' zone.
>>
>> I will add a  note to  the uk500khz group and links in others  with
>> details
>> if
>> acceptable to widen the reporting base.
>>
>> Tnx-
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> G0NBD
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Domino  data now qrt 2400 , will leave the wspr running for  a while longer

Thanks for the reports , hope the test was useful=20

tnx- Graham .. =20





From: Graham=20
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Subject: LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late=20



Running  data mode , DominoF and olivia  8x250  , wspr=20
power about 20  watts per mode ..tx set started  1630

502 khz - usb

using  two multipsk in beacon mode , frequencies  centre marker , wspr tone=20=
1550 hz=20

Dominof    1300 hz
olivia        900 hz
wspr         1550 hz (33% tx)

Never used the Domino system , looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250=20
same 3 lines of text for each.

Due to  tr switching problems , no rx=20

Graham
G0NBD
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<DIV>Domino&nbsp; data now qrt 2400 , will leave the wspr running for&nbsp;=20=
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while longer</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for the reports , hope the test was useful </DIV>
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<DIV>tnx- Graham .. &nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Running&nbsp; data mode=20=
,=20
DominoF and olivia&nbsp; 8x250&nbsp; , wspr </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>power about 20&nbsp; wat=
ts per=20
mode ..tx set started&nbsp; 1630</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>502 khz - usb</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>using&nbsp; two multipsk=
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beacon mode , frequencies&nbsp; centre marker , wspr tone 1550 hz </FONT></D=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;900=20
hz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>wspr&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1550 hz=20
(33% tx)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Never used the Domino sy=
stem ,=20
looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>same 3 lines of text for=
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each.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Due to&nbsp; tr switchin=
g=20
problems , no rx </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Graham</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>G0NBD</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Gary,
 
Should work.
 
My PC has zero RS-232 ports so I have to use them!
 
73,
Lee M0LMH.
 

-----Original Message-----
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Hi All,

 

This may have been asked before.

 

Will a USB to RS232 adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware
interface. My PC has only 1 RS232 port & no empty PCI slots.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
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Gary,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
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work.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>My PC=20
has zero RS-232 ports so I have to use them!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Lee=20
M0LMH.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
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Hi Markus, Jim, and the group,

strange ... Markus' signal is so strong here now (after rotating the 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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  >...A QSO needs a minimum of two overs each for
full acknowledgement each way so at least 96 bits need to be
exchanged.   If no further overhead is used, the QSO could therefore
be completed in four days.


...But all this has been done before Andy, and time after time it has been 
shown that CW gives superior results!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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>At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
>indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>
>The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
>although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
>which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9

I agree with that.
In addition I would suggest to keep QRSS QSO's (lazy men's CW, very 
slow CW or wthatever called) also at one of the band edges. A strong 
QRSS signal in the centre of the band can block a good part of the 
3kHz segment during a longer time for weak CW signals.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T 


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Still looks to  be working at range .. outstanding !

all I can do  next is take the drive from the exciter direct to the Ae ?
G ..

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>
> Ok All ,
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> Well   from what I can measure  , power to the Ae is  500mW at the moment
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Ran WSPR all night with several uploads to WSPR web site.
Saw adjacent sig that did not decode.

Signal strength varied between -31 and -14 db.

While looking @ Spectra Vue, the signal was usually about  1-5db above the 
noise.

A fairly calibrated S meter showed S8 on noise level and now just this 
minute, 1225Z dropped to S1, don't know effect on such  narrow signal within 
that 2.5kc. bandpass.

This is good work.

Cheers

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* Its time to melt down the CW keys for the brass, Mel.
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Jay
I can see a weak trace on your QRG but no decode.
Now one decode
223200 3 -28 -0.8 -91 WE2XGR FN31 57
Now two decodes you are doing well
mal/g3kev

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> WE2XGR/2 will be transmitting in WSPR mode tonight starting 2200Z on a 
> dial
> frequency of 507.000 kHz.
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> Reports are appreciated.
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> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
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Jay
Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and agn 2=
214 utc
It looks ok so far.
mal
g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Mal

  If you can operate duplex like last time perhaps you should begin transmit=
ting at 2200Z and I'll break in when I see your signal. You had better copy=20=
on my signal last time. Unfortunately I can only hang around until 2330Z ton=
ight. Frequencies are as you stated in your previous e mail.=20

  Jay



    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    Jay
    Sunset ur end  could be a good start time. I can work Russians sunset an=
d before fm here across as far as UA9 es UA0 and ZL.

    73 mal/g3kev

      ----- Original Message -----=20
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      Mal

      Antenna is back up in the air here...but we're expecting a snow storm=20=
starting mid afternoon running through tomorrow morning. Suspect static leve=
ls will be high but will be happy to take a look...if you care to transmit a=
t a specific time.

      Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
        ----- Original Message -----=20
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        MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone ava=
ilable this week end.
        Temp minus 3 today so far antenna ok

        mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, f=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It looks ok so far.</FONT></DIV>
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  signal. You had&nbsp;better copy on my signal last time. Unfortunately I c=
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        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF condx vy good at present. Now is=
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mal hamilton wrote:

> I have been looking around the various HF bands for NON MORSE acty 
> and find  that the old RTTY is the most prolific mode in use, it looks 
> like the use of other data modes are rare, perhaps more suited to 
> V/UHF EME work etc.
> g3kev
>  

Hello Mal., LF  group
i do not agree with you.  I guess if  you  had taken more time for  your 
watch of HF bands your conclusions would be different.
it is sometimes  useful to  extend time basis for making more reliable 
"averages " , hi.  in my opinion it is  PSK31  as  #1  these days.
Of course from historical reasons rtty  dominated in ether  for many 
years but  the last decade has changed it  when  DSP 
techniques came into play along with PC's in almost every house etc... . 
btw, rtty  as you know is based on a Baudot code known before
 radio waves were 'discovered' and used  to carry information . the 
popularity of rtty is based on the selfsynchronizing properties of the
 7bit Baudod code ( 1 start bit one stop bit + 5 bits for 
letters/nonletters dot, hyphen....)  it is not arq mode  so you can 
listen to it anytime etc..
like CW which is also  itself selfsynchronizing i.e you know very well 
when it is started stopped etc... PSK  works the same way -  from all
so called 'digital' modes it  is like a live qso with its speed similar 
to CW and so one and the selfsynchronizing properties due to the 
varicode of G3PLX
are great !  that is why , in my opinion psk31 wins these days.  my 
first psk qso was almost 10 years ago and i work mainly psk on HF bands  
tiill now.
 I  do think it is the most popular digi mode at present.

Dear Mal, here is one issue more ...
i do observe the ongoing discussion between you and others concerning 
the CW vs other modes.  in a moment i will add my comment to this
  but in the form of example of one of my psk qso which i will remember  
forever. it was  in the early 2000's  when the prop was not that bad
 and i had regular(everyday basis)  qso  with US stations at the 
evenings on 14 Mhz . it was an  american callsign - i do not remember  
it ( but can look into my logbook if you want)  but what i do remember 
he was 86 years old  , all time ( both his work and his hobby) a CW 
operator   but by that time he was deaf, completely deaf  and he told 
me" Peter, i can not use my EARS  i am a deaf person i can not use CW 
anymore but i can use my EYES and due to psk i still can enjoy my 
radiohobby"  - please, excuse my english but the sense of  the words of 
this old man is obvious.
so  at least two points are emerging...
1.  we have ears we have eyes  =  both human senses  can be used  to  
'read' the information which modulates the radiowave
2.  the dsp techniiques are more superior  to CW these days as far as 
S/N is concerned

                                         again, HNY  2009 , yours, 
peter, sq7mpj

qth:   lodz, poland /jo91rs/



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various HF bands for NON MORSE acty and=C2=A0find=C2=A0 that the old RTTY is=
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most prolific mode in use, it looks like the use of other data modes
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Hello Mal., LF=C2=A0 group<br>
i do not agree with you.=C2=A0 I guess if=C2=A0 you=C2=A0 had taken more tim=
e for=C2=A0
your watch of HF bands your conclusions would be different. <br>
it is sometimes=C2=A0 useful to=C2=A0 extend time basis for making more reli=
able
"averages " , hi.=C2=A0 in my opinion it is=C2=A0 PSK31=C2=A0 as=C2=A0 #1=
=C2=A0 these days.<br>
Of course from historical reasons rtty=C2=A0 dominated in <i>ether</i>=C2=
=A0 for
many years but=C2=A0 the last decade has changed it=C2=A0 when=C2=A0 DSP=C2=
=A0 <br>
techniques came into play along with PC's in almost every house etc...
. btw, rtty=C2=A0 as you know is based on a Baudot code <b>known before <br>
=C2=A0radio waves were 'discovered' and used=C2=A0 to carry information</b>=20=
. the
popularity of rtty is based on the selfsynchronizing properties of the<br>
=C2=A07bit Baudod code ( 1 start bit one stop bit + 5 bits for
letters/nonletters dot, hyphen....)=C2=A0 it is not arq mode=C2=A0 so you ca=
n
listen to it anytime etc..<br>
like CW which is also=C2=A0 itself selfsynchronizing i.e you know very well
when it is started stopped etc... PSK=C2=A0 works the same way -=C2=A0 from=20=
all <br>
so called 'digital' modes it=C2=A0 is like a<b> live qso</b> with its speed
similar to CW and so one and the selfsynchronizing properties due to
the varicode of G3PLX<br>
are great !=C2=A0 that is why , in my opinion psk31 wins these days.=C2=A0 m=
y
first psk qso was almost 10 years ago and i work mainly psk on HF
bands=C2=A0 tiill now.<br>
=C2=A0I=C2=A0 do think it is the most popular digi mode at present. <br>
<br>
Dear Mal, here is one issue more ...<br>
i do observe the ongoing discussion between you and others concerning
the CW vs other modes.=C2=A0 in a moment i will add my comment to this<br>
=C2=A0 but in the form of example of one of my psk qso which i will
remember=C2=A0 forever. it was=C2=A0 in the early 2000's=C2=A0 when the prop=
 was not
that bad<br>
=C2=A0and i had regular(everyday basis)=C2=A0 qso=C2=A0 with US stations at=20=
the
evenings on 14 Mhz . it was an=C2=A0 american callsign - i do not remember=
=C2=A0
it ( but can look into my logbook if you want)=C2=A0 but what i do remember
he was 86 years old=C2=A0 , all time ( both his work and his hobby) a CW
operator=C2=A0=C2=A0 but by that time he was deaf, completely deaf=C2=A0 and=
 he told
me" Peter, i can not use my EARS=C2=A0 i am a deaf person i can not use CW
anymore but i can use my EYES and due to psk i still can enjoy my
radiohobby"=C2=A0 - please, excuse my english but the sense of=C2=A0 the wor=
ds of
this old man is obvious. <br>
so=C2=A0 at least two points are emerging...<br>
1.=C2=A0 we have ears we have eyes=C2=A0 =3D=C2=A0 both human senses=C2=A0 c=
an be used=C2=A0 to=C2=A0
'read' the information which modulates the radiowave<br>
2.=C2=A0 the dsp techniiques are more superior=C2=A0 to CW these days as far=
 as
S/N is concerned<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 again, HNY=C2=A0 2009 , yours,
peter, sq7mpj<br>
<br>
qth: =C2=A0 lodz, poland /jo91rs/<br>
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Dear LF Group,

I have re-started the WSPR beacon on 503.5kHz (502kHz "dial frequency"). All 
reports will be very welcome. G4JNT is still QRV - solid copy here of 
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Markus thanks - I leave for London tomorrow but Im going to leave the SDR an=
d grabber/upload running here in freezing Tanggu China. Its as an "offered"=20=
service and I dont know how long my pc, wireless, dsl, server will stay conn=
ected, but hey a certain well known law always is activated when I leave to=20=
or from a place.
=20
To:  I dont have my LF gear with me and end up uptop a 80 storey faraday cag=
e of hotel with access to the roof..
To:  I do have my LF gear with me and end up in a wooden framed hotel with n=
o earth, RF balun type flourscent lights, multiple SMPSU;s and no internet
>From : I dont leave the gear running and we have a marvellous LF opening say=
 a K3 event after a long quiet spell per Jan 2003
From: I do leave the gear running but the LF probe PSU catches fire or the l=
ocal authorities take down the antennae to investigate why the heck a baby b=
ottle is sitting atop a fishing pole...
=20
You can pick from any of the above but heres hoping it stays up for a while.
=20
Laurence
http://kl1x.com
Tanggu China OM89UA



From: markusvester@aol.comTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate: Mon, 5 Jan 2=
009 01:47:44 +0100Subject: LF: Re: other QRSS stations in jn49ax


Hello Marco and LF,
=20
the strong lower "Y" was actually my "NM", the real "Y" directly above that=20=
is RA3YO. Here is a list of frequencies observed this evening (Jan 4th):
=20
778.65  "RU"  RU6LA
778.26 /.36  "Y"  RA3YO
777.90 /778.00  "NM"  DF6NM
777.45 "WPF"  UA4WPF
776.22 /.32  "AGC"  RN3AGC
776.0  "S"  UA9CS ?
775.50  "WX"  DJ8WX
774.99  "DTL"  F4DTL
=20
As far as I could see, "RU", "Y", "WPF" and "S" were well readable at differ=
ent times on the Chinese KL1X screenshots. I was also pleased to see that "N=
M" at least managed to get a few singular dashes across between 21:55 and 22=
:13.
=20
Many thanks to Laurence for setting up his receiver and triggering all this=20=
activity!
=20
Kind regards=20
Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK
=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scholz, Marco=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:24 AM
Subject: LF: other QRSS stations in jn49ax


Hello,
also good copy of AGC and very strong Y ~1.7Hz above agc. Not sure if the si=
gnal above the Y is RU in a slower mode as QRSS60?
good night, vy73
Marco
DD7PC
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Markus thanks - I leave for London tomorrow but Im going to leave the SDR an=
d grabber/upload running here in freezing Tanggu China. Its as an "offered"=20=
service and I dont know how long my pc, wireless, dsl, server will stay conn=
ected, but hey a certain well known law always is activated when I leave to=20=
or from a place.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
To:&nbsp; I dont have my LF gear with me and end up uptop a 80 storey farada=
y cage of hotel with access to the roof..<BR>
To:&nbsp; I do have my LF gear with me and end up in a wooden framed hotel w=
ith no earth, RF balun type flourscent lights, multiple SMPSU;s and no inter=
net<BR>
>From : I dont leave the gear running and we have a marvellous LF opening say=
 a K3 event after a long quiet spell per Jan 2003<BR>
From: I do leave the gear running but the LF probe PSU catches fire or the l=
ocal authorities take down the antennae to investigate why the heck a baby b=
ottle is sitting atop a fishing pole...<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
You can pick from any of the above but heres hoping it stays up for a while.=
<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence<BR>
<A href=3D"http://kl1x.com">http://kl1x.com</A><BR>
Tanggu China OM89UA<BR><BR><BR>

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From: markusvester@aol.com<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Mon,=
 5 Jan 2009 01:47:44 +0100<BR>Subject: LF: Re: other QRSS stations in jn49ax=
<BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV>Hello Marco and LF,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>the strong lower "Y" was actually my "NM", the real "Y"&nbsp;directly a=
bove that is RA3YO.&nbsp;Here is a list of frequencies observed&nbsp;this ev=
ening (Jan 4th):</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>778.65&nbsp; "RU" &nbsp;RU6LA</DIV>
<DIV>778.26 /.36&nbsp; "Y" &nbsp;RA3YO</DIV>
<DIV>777.90 /778.00&nbsp; "NM"&nbsp; DF6NM</DIV>
<DIV>777.45 "WPF"&nbsp; UA4WPF</DIV>
<DIV>776.22 /.32 &nbsp;"AGC"&nbsp; RN3AGC</DIV>
<DIV>776.0&nbsp; "S"&nbsp; UA9CS ?</DIV>
<DIV>775.50&nbsp; "WX"&nbsp; DJ8WX</DIV>
<DIV>774.99&nbsp; "DTL"&nbsp; F4DTL</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>As far as I could see, "RU", "Y", "WPF" and "S" were well readable&nbsp=
;at different times on the Chinese KL1X screenshots.&nbsp;I was also&nbsp;pl=
eased to see that "NM" at least managed to&nbsp;get&nbsp;a few singular dash=
es&nbsp;across between 21:55 and 22:13.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Many thanks to Laurence for setting up his receiver and triggering all=20=
this activity!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Kind regards </DIV>
<DIV>Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>F=
rom:</B> <A title=3Dmarco.scholz@citi.com href=3D"mailto:marco.scholz@citi.c=
om">Scholz, Marco </A></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 05, 2009 12:24=20=
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: other QRSS stations in j=
n49ax</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<SPAN class=3DEC_509531923-04012009>Hello,</SPAN><BR>
<SPAN class=3DEC_509531923-04012009>also good copy of AGC and very strong Y=20=
~1.7Hz above agc. Not sure if the signal above the Y is RU in a slower mode=20=
as QRSS60?</SPAN><BR>
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Hi Dave,

Except from trying WSPR (the standalone GUI version) a few times on 
shortwave and LF, I can only tell you that..
 - it's very important to sync the local PC time accurately - but sure 
that's not the problem here
 - the soundcard's sampling rate may be a problem: The WSPR GUI uses 
12000 samples/second, which is a bit exotic,
   and some soundcards/drivers have a problem with this (and deliver a 
inaccurate sampling rate which causes problems in WSPR)
- the receiver's frequency drift must be low enough (a Hz per 2-minute 
interval already degrades decoding).
   Not a real problem unless your receiver is a converter, moving the LF 
signal to a higher shortwave frequency
    (I've seen a signal on 30 or 40 meter from italy, which was very 
strong, but almost unreadable due to the drift)

Does Jim's signal draw a "red" stripe on the WSPR spectrogram (I think 
it should) ? If not, the audio level may be too low.

HTH, cheers,
   Wolf .

Dave G3WCB schrieb:
> Hi Jim, LF.  
>
> Sadly no decodes from M0BMU or DF6NM on 136 last night.
> M0BMU was clearly audible and was showing on the waterfall display.
>
> I'm using WSPR 1.01_r1023, and it worked fine on 500kHz the other day.
>
> Am I doing something wrong? (well, yes, obviously, but what!)
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>   



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Walter guten tag
No problem to copi ur signal vy strong here with my antenna system.
73 gl de mal/g3kev

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  Here is the weak signal for Mal. DI2AG on 505.090 beaconing.
  73   Walter  DI2AG / DJ2LF



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Dear Mal, LF Group,

Distributors like RS components and Farnell stock diodes and rectifiers 
rated up to 1000A or more. Careful you read the data sheets though - 
conditions apply regarding current and temperature, waveform and so forth.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Does anyone know a source for hi current rectifiers. ie 50 - 100A at low 
voltage around 25- 50V
So far I have only found low current high voltage devices on Internet.
de mal/g3kev




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Hello James, Markus, Hans-Joachim,
Thanks for an explanation. I am surprised, how I have not guessed that it CW-QSO:)
Markus, thanks for a screenshot!
I congratulate all LF'ers happy New Year!

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


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Hello Joe , LF ,

Good "VO" copy of VO1NA beacon last night .

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj







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Hello all  ,

What "O" on 137778.35 ???
see on the grabber :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm

 73 f1afj


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Coastal stations are still running, well XSG on A1A is anyway on 522.5 kHz =20=
- Im not sure of the power Shanghai radio puts out but from field measuremen=
ts its probably in the 1Kw range.
=20
Laurence  - stuck in Singapore....








From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:22:58 +0000
Subject: LF: Re: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR




That is a more sensible power for MF. Coastal stns were running in excess of=
 this power and ships between 1 - 2 kw so whats new.
Radio amateurs are at a disatvantage at present but could handle it, but app=
liance operators NO.
G3KEV
=20
=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: dave.riley3=20
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Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: LF: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR




NEWS FLASH
The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF=20
CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts.
Hope some of you guys get your T2 license to run the station after=20
construction. As soon as the snow melts and temperatures rise a bit the=20
large vertical will be errected. My QTH can only be temporary so we=20
must find a permanent home ASAP.

73, Steve

WA1HUD

President NEHRS, Inc.
http://nehrs.net/default.aspx

----- Original Message -----=20
From: mal hamilton=20
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Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:15 AM
Subject: LF: PROPAGATION WSPR


On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation as sugge=
sted by some. Two procedures are required with the mode. First it has to be=20=
detected then analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. Morse=20=
sent in the QRS mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot only requ=
ires one procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a good indicati=
on of propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.
=20
I have pointed out recently that I have observed all of the traces from thos=
e transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been directly keyed in QRS mode an I=
D or intellegence would have been conveyed, whereas only part of the time wa=
s the signals decoded in wspr. For those viewing the print format only and g=
etting no copy would never know whether the signall was being received or if=
 it was faulty sampling and decoding.=20
=20
Cut out the second procedure of decoding, avoid ambiguity and use the slow k=
eyed carried method using morse code or murray code. A waterfall display and=
 the EYE is a very sensitive detector,=20
For those experimenting with data modes have fun but todate in the amateur r=
adio LF/MF context nothing yet has surpassed the use of slow morse keyed at=20=
a speed to suit one's needs ie propagation studies or communication between=20=
two stations.
mal/g3kev
=20






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Have you looked at Farnell, Mal?  There are several pages of rectifiers=20
in their catalogue.  Perhaps 365-932 might fit the bill. It is 70A with=20
max 100V.  But there are others.


In a recent message, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote ...
>Does anyone know a source for hi current rectifiers. ie 50 - 100A at
>low voltage around 25- 50V
>So far I have only found low current high voltage=A0devices on Internet.
>de mal/g3kev
>=A0
>=A0
73
--=20
David G4DMP/G3KEP
Leeds, UK
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Dear Gary,

Should be fine with me - I expect someone will still be broadcasting on 
252kHz tomorrow!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Hi Graham -=20

Make that 4! I've modified my TS850 to generate SSB at 500 kHz and use a hom=
ebrew linear PA to produce 30 watts peak RF.

Have been off air for a while during a shack rebuild and broken aerial but a=
m back in business.

Brian - G3YKB

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op" style=3D"font: inherit;">Hi Graham - <br><br>Make that 4! I've modified=20=
my TS850 to generate SSB at 500 kHz and use a homebrew linear PA to produce=20=
30 watts peak RF.<br><br>Have been off air for a while during a shack rebuil=
d and broken aerial but am back in business.<br><br>Brian - G3YKB<br><br>---=
 On <b>Thu, 15/1/09, Graham <i>&lt;g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk&gt;</i></b> wrote=
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Howdy Mal,

On tonight @ 22Z do you mean 502.51 or .57??

Yes, Merv and I went through 10ghz and laser home brew together and had good=
 QSOs on each band, 10.368ghz. and 474thz.

I was very surprized to hear of his passing...  Good man...

As far as 2X QSO, I will be put in to the penalty box if I break the rules,=20=
but we could exchange 'captures' on 7033 afterwards??

Too many rules and not enuf real work...  Scribes and Pharisees, they're eve=
rywhere!!!

Let me know, will be all eyes...

Dave, WD2XSH/17, the little erp who can...






  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:31 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Dave=20
  I did not realise that you knew Merv/NC1K and engaged in cloud lazer exper=
iments. I have know Merv for years and knew him since his G3PXB days.
  We both worked together around 1964 before he emigrated to the USA.
  He was over here a few years ago and I saw him then. Unfortunately I got t=
he news about his departure just recently.
  73 and hpe to hear from u agn and look out for me tonite on 502.51 khz sta=
rting at 2200 utc approx.
  Mal/g3kev/Scarborough

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: dave.riley3=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09 AM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Mal,

    Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

    http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


    73s from Dave




    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Jay
    Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and a=
gn 2214 utc
    It looks ok so far.
    mal
    g3kev


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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Howdy Mal,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>On tonight @ 22Z do you mean 502.51 or=20
.57??</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Yes, Merv and I went through 10ghz and laser hom=
e=20
brew&nbsp;together and had good QSOs on each band, 10.368ghz. and=20
474thz.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>I was very surprized to hear of his passing...&n=
bsp;=20
Good man...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>As far as 2X QSO, I will be put in to the penalt=
y box=20
if I break the rules, but we could exchange 'captures' on 7033=20
afterwards??</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Too many rules and not enuf real work...&nbsp; S=
cribes=20
and Pharisees, they're everywhere!!!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Let me know, will be all eyes...</FONT></STRONG>=
</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Dave, WD2XSH/17,&nbsp;the little erp who=20
can...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
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=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:3=
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: MF=20
  CONDX</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I did not realise that you knew Merv/NC1K=
 and=20
  engaged in cloud lazer experiments. I have know Merv for years and knew hi=
m=20
  since his G3PXB days.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We both worked together around 1964 befor=
e he=20
  emigrated to the USA.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He was over here a few years ago and I sa=
w him=20
  then. Unfortunately I got the news about his departure just=20
  recently.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 and hpe to hear from u agn and look ou=
t for me=20
  tonite on 502.51 khz starting at 2200 utc approx.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal/g3kev/Scarborough</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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lack"><B>From:</B>=20
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zon.net">dave.riley3</A> </DIV>
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p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:=
09=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:=20=
MF=20
    CONDX</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp;=20=
<A       href=3D"http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg">http://www.radiocom.net/K=
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    <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>73s from Dave</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><BR><BR><STRONG>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: mal hamilton=
=20
    <BR>To: <A       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_gr=
oup@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    <BR>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM<BR>Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re:=
 Re:=20
    MF CONDX<BR><BR><BR>Jay<BR>Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, fir=
st=20
    seen 2207 then gap and agn 2214 utc<BR>It looks ok so=20
    far.<BR>mal<BR>g3kev</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
    <P>
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Obviously you do not know how to do it. I am still waiting for others that 
know the  answers. What materials are needed and where to find them.
g3kev


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> mal hamilton wrote:
>
>> I already know all the answers.
>
> Yes, as you've told us many many many many times.....
>
>


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Dear Paul-Henrik, Michel, LF Group,

I just checked 136.8kHz, and OH1LSQ is a weak "M" copy signal here, just 
after dark. Will check again later.

F5WK appeared on my WSPR log at 1504utc, and has been solid copy since then. 
In fact, the signal is audible here at about S3 or 4. DF6NM has also been 
copied until 1718.

I have now (1748utc) re-started the M0BMU WSPR beacon - any reports very 
welcome.

Cheers, Jim moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Hi Warren,
of course you are right, sorry for the error. Guess I should get more sleep at night ;-)
Markus, DF6NM

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 Markus,
 
> Despite some distant QRN, very good signals from XKO and WD2XKO were visible
> through most of the night, with the last "J" coming through as late as 9:15.
 
 Perhaps you mean XGJ at 9:15?
 
 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ



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Hi Mal,

pse see also

http://home.versanet.de/~uwe-jannsen/two.htm

regards
Uwe/dj8wx



Zitat von mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> LF/MF
> I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using 
> two loops. Loop A is 40 metres perimeter vertical orientation, Loop B 
> is 190 metres perimeter also vertical.  Both loops optimum E/W.
> I am using two receivers in this experiment Ant A to Siemens D2155 
> level meter, BW 20 Hz and vy stable, Ant B to Datong up converter and 
> IC746 250 Hz BW. Both audio outputs to soundcard/ARGO display 
> allowing 50 hz separation for observation.
> Observing DI2AM at present and having calibrared this signal on both 
> RX outputs at a point in time, both signals are fairly constant but 
> more variations have been observed on Ant A - 40m loop, the signal 
> surges in strength and then fades down, whereas Ant B has a more 
> constant output with less fade.
> More time is needed for a proper assessment and DI2AM is also a 
> strong signal. I would need a few long haul signals for a proper test 
> like Russian or USA .
> Interested in MF signals at present.
> This method would also work with a couple of small loops or a loop 
> and probe type antenna, then at a glance one would know how each was 
> performing, of course with the loop in the optimum direction for 
> target signal.
>
> This is just a simple setup, it works well and no audio cross mod 
> noticed, nice clean signals on display in spite of the fact that the 
> separation is only 50hz.
> A nice balanced mixer would be a more sophisticated approach, that 
> might come later.
>
> 73 mal/g3kev
>
>





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=20
Hello Marco not Email adress for F6BWO and maybe not Internet at  home.
You can write a QSL card if you want.
I send to you via your direct email the personnal adress of Jeff  BWO
=20
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F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010

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Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 31/01/2009 17:30:48 Paris, Madrid, =20
marco.scholz@citi.com a =E9crit :

Hello  Jeff,
I not found any email address from you and maybe you not receiving  this
LF reflector mails, but however i try it.
Many thanks for calling  me this morning after my QSO with DL2HRE. This
was a pleasure. Sorry i  finished the QSO quickly, but i was short on
time. I will be QRV tomorrow  monring and hopefully more often Sunday
mornings in future. Hope for some  more QSO's with you. This was just my
3rd QSO on 137KHz  :-)

vy73
Marco
DD7PC,  JN49ax

mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de





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Acty is improving on 500 khz
Active currently on CW and recently worked GI4DPE, G3XIZ, G3DXZ, GW3EUP, GW3=
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Quite likely Schottky diodes.   Much lower forward voltage drop -
typical 0.15 to 0.3V at rated current, and OK for fasr SMPSUs.
Reverse leakage can be very high.


Andy  G4JNT
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2009/1/23 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> MF/LF
> For interest, nearly every diode that I have tested varies one from another
> even a matched batch. I suppose normally constructers just grab the required
> number for a project and start soldering. Perhaps its not that important as
> long as they are conducting in one direction and offer some resistance in
> the reverse direction.
> mal/g3kev
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> I have found some rectifiers MBR 6045 and although these would do the job, I
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Thanks to all for the reports sent direct, through the reflectors and the
'spots' sent to the WSPR database on Tuesday night. A large number of spots
were recoreded from both the USA and EU. The biggest surprise was the almost
continuous reception by GM4SLV with hardly a missed sequence over the 7 hour
period.

Using the GM4SLV data from the WSPR database, I put together a simple chart
of his received signal strength over the period. We all know how deep and
quick the QSB can be on this band and the chart clearly shows this as well.

 http://www.w1vd.com/WE2XGRGM4SLV.gif

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2



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New captures since my previous report. Rx Perseus, antenna Roelof mini-whip
Using Winrad->VAC->WSPR 1.01

090125 2114   6 -25  1.6   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0  857    0
090125 2128   7 -25  1.5   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0     1    0
090125 2130  10 -23  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2138  15 -17  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2144   5 -26  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0 17635    0
090125 2148   7 -24  1.5   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0     1    0
090125 2150  11 -21  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2208   4 -29  1.5   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0    13    0
090125 2212  11 -21  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2218   9 -22  1.4   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0     5    0
090125 2218  14 -18  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2224  11 -21  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2240   7 -23  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0   461    0
090125 2248   6 -25  1.5   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0     1    0
090125 2252  10 -22  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2300  12 -20  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2302   7 -26  1.4   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0     2    0
090125 2304  12 -20  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2306   7 -25  1.5   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0     2    0
090125 2312  13 -19  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2320  10 -21  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2328   7 -25  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0    12    0
090125 2336   5 -25  1.2   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0  9888    0
090125 2340  11 -20  1.2   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0

Locator here is JN45sl, so the QRB is

M0BMU  IO91vr  997 km   620 mi
G4JNT  IO90    963 km   598 mi

73  Alberto  I2PHD





.




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Hello All,

This are fine examples of dyslexia, a far more common problem than  
generally known.
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persons on earth "suffered" from it.
One example that springs to my mind was Winston Churchill.

Text control won't help much as "there" and their" are genuine English  
words.

Reading and writing is a skill just like walking.
You won't judge someone's intelligence by the way he walks, won't you!

Best regards,
Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt

(And yes, dyslexia is part of my daytime job!)


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 Last night on my return, I re-centred this so that
> it covers the top 200Hz of the band, nominal dial freq 502.4
> Regards

I thought it was a step change in propagation hihi

tnx - G ..

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Subject: LF: Re: RE: where are all the grabbers gone ...GM4ISM 500KHz and 
WSPR Dial feq

>
> Guys, My 600KHz grabber is still QRV, The address port number had to 
> change,
> and because I don't have a guaranteed static IP address, the best way to 
> get
> at my grabber is www.dc2light.co.uk/LF_MF.htm
> The WSPR decoder is also active, and the approx window is shown on the 
> right
> hand side of the grabber. Last night on my return, I re-centred this so 
> that
> it covers the top 200Hz of the band, nominal dial freq 502.4
> Regards
> Mark GM4ISM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:50 AM
> Subject: LF: RE: where are all the grabbers gone ...
>
>
>> Hi Rik, LF,
>>
>> I did make some changes a while ago, the 500KHz grabbers are operating at
>> :-
>>
>> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html
>> and
>> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html
>>
>> When in-operative due to work at my end I always place a notice on the
>> page.
>>
>> I can get John's grabber at :-
>> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/grabber2.htm
>> or
>> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg
>>
>> But at the moment but it appears to be off line.
>>
>> And Mark's appears to have gone away!! at :-
>> http://92.235.33.173:8080/
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Gary - G4WGT.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe
>> Sent: 29 January 2009 11:30
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: LF: where are all the grabbers gone ...
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> for various reasons (busy, antenna down due to construction) I haven't
>> been active during the past 2 months.
>> Today I re-installed the (improved) antenna. The work paid off,
>> antenna current is up from 2.4 A to 2.8 A.
>> But as I tried the grabbers some seemed to have gone or moved. G3YXM
>> and GM4ISM are still where they used to be, but I couldn't find G4WGT
>> and GM4SLV.
>> Googling them didn't help (lot's of hits but all to dead links).
>>
>> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>>
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Items:

1. I thought this was a list for people interested in radio and LF/VLF, etc.
specifically.

2.  I very rarely have posted although I read the list regularly and have
been trying to learn. In this case I felt I had a viable contribution. I am
sorry that you disagree. This has been just a little thread for a few days
but does capture the interests of a few of us.

3. I respect the members of this list for their individual skills and
talents and respect their ideas.

4. I have sent messages three or four times asking to be removed from this
list. Would someone please help me do that? If no one does I will just mark
these e-mail as junk mail and be done with it.

5. As per an earlier posting today, USE YOUR DELETE KEY!

6. I pity the lack of courtesy of the part of a FEW on this list. Mal makes
good points and observations but so do his detractors ABOUT RADIO! The
personal attacks are silly at best.

7. There are most likely just a few of us sharing this interest and things
should be more civil.

8. My supply of the dorsal portions of the specified rodents is nil.
Therefore, I can no longer offer any.

9. Please get me out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TNX es 73,

Dr. Tom Gruis
___________________________________________________________________________


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve McDonald
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Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

Can we not put an end to this nonsense? Who gives a rat's ass about razor
blade radios?

VE7SL




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Hi Laurence,

       WD2XGJ is off due to failure of the HT power supply.
Hopefully Dex and or Jay can get on.

--=20
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China
<hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ill be moving the overnight Eastern China Grabber up from 136307 area to t=
he
> USA/Eu Window 137.775/781 for the next few days to look out for long haul
> USA East coast at my dusk. Ive got the noise down here by another 1.5dB
> which is rather pleasing - having successfully got a flourescent tube
> finally turned off in the lift machinery room to the left of the probe.
> http://kl1x.com/BY3a%20probe.jpg - this was some task believe me - its tak=
en
> a month of negotiation to flick a switch.
>
> My old home station in Mongolia on 164kHz is particularly strong at -30dBm
> and pretty "wide" looking at the spectrum on the SDR - Wider than I used t=
o
> see for some reason. For info Im using a 7 element 500kHz LPF to cut down
> the multiple -10dBm Medium wave signals in the 1Mhz region - it really
> alleviates some of the images from the SDR-IQ.
>
> Thanks to all for the signals - UA4WPF nightly continues to be good to
> strong at times, at the 4500Kms mark and fade period around 25 mins, but
> fades arent that deep.
>
>  EU utilities are slightly elevated above norms around -70dBm now some
> 25-30dB above noise. DCF39 is around 7600kms from here.
>
> Signals appreaciated from all inc  UA4WPF, RA9CUA's "u" in DFCW and others=
.
>
> Time for work Laurence By3A/KL1X OM89UA
> http://kl1x.com
>
> ________________________________
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JAY,
I have started on 502.57 khz Pse TX on 508.51khz now so that I can judge pro=
pagation, with ur higher pwr.
I am working DUPLEX with a separare RX antenna system. I will see u even if=20=
I am in TX mode ere. QRS 3 or 2

73 de mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:09 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Mal

  If you can operate duplex like last time perhaps you should begin transmit=
ting at 2200Z and I'll break in when I see your signal. You had better copy=20=
on my signal last time. Unfortunately I can only hang around until 2330Z ton=
ight. Frequencies are as you stated in your previous e mail.=20

  Jay



    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:21 PM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Jay
    Sunset ur end  could be a good start time. I can work Russians sunset an=
d before fm here across as far as UA9 es UA0 and ZL.

    73 mal/g3kev

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:21 PM
      Subject: LF: Re: MF CONDX


      Mal

      Antenna is back up in the air here...but we're expecting a snow storm=20=
starting mid afternoon running through tomorrow morning. Suspect static leve=
ls will be high but will be happy to take a look...if you care to transmit a=
t a specific time.

      Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: mal hamilton=20
        To: rsgb=20
        Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:46 AM
        Subject: LF: MF CONDX


        MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone ava=
ilable this week end.
        Temp minus 3 today so far antenna ok

        mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>JAY,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have started on 502.57 khz Pse TX on 508.=
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now so that I can judge propagation, with ur higher pwr.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am working DUPLEX with a separare RX ante=
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system. I will see u even if I am in TX mode ere. QRS 3 or 2</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you can operate duplex like last time=20=
perhaps=20
  you should begin transmitting at 2200Z and I'll break in when I see your=20
  signal. You had&nbsp;better copy on my signal last time. Unfortunately I c=
an=20
  only hang around until 2330Z tonight. Frequencies are as you stated in you=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sunset ur end&nbsp; could be a good sta=
rt time.=20
    I can work Russians sunset and before fm here across as far as UA9 es UA=
0=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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ast.net">jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A         title=3Drsgb_lf_=
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      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 200=
9 3:21=20
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      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
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      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antenna is back up in the air here...=
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 to=20
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      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp;=20
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        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A           title=3Drsgb=
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        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2=
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        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF condx vy good at present. Now is=
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        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Temp minus 3 today so far antenna=20
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LF,

Regarding my WSPR settings, the power is not a correct evaluation at the
moment. My Tx power is about 5 watts but the ERP will be very much lower &
as I have not calculated it as yet I have just inserted -27dB.

When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.


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Hi All,

In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top part of
the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a 200Hz
slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.

My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 503.550KHz
data.

Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.

73

Gary - G4WGT

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John,

Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move to

the band edge without problems
clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down

With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a reasonable 
concept as it will allow other 'casual'
monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post needed 
to  announce a test !

What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or just 
sleeping ?

G ..



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From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5

>
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>
> Oh no!
>
> Please let's not get into this again....
>
> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>
> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>
> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>
>
> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>
> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>
>



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Andy Talbot wrote:

> ....
>  
> The figures won't go below 0dBm  so they will no longer be a true 
> representation of tx power.   WSPRnet is still reporting several 
> listeners copying my sigs, now at -28dB S/N,  so will continue 
> decreasing power a bit longer. 
>  
>
> .....
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com <http://www.g4jnt.com>
>
>

Dear Andy, Jim, LF group
looks like i 've got your wspr tx 'ing first time on my side..
just a fragment of my wspr screen..
2300 -23  0.1   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2306 -21  0.0   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2310 -28  0.1   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2310 -22  0.0   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2314 -23 -0.1   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2320 -21  0.1   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30

btw, Jim if you read this mail.. you've mentioned about a constant weak 
signal  around  950Hz
i have also a constant  signal at  964 Hz  while you are here at 904 Hz 
as for its intensity  at jo91rs  both signals are "weak" i.e.
it is comparable to your signal so it goes into -20's
                                                                                         
73, peter, sq7mpj

qth:  lodz, poland/jo91rs/
p.s Andy , the qrb iis 1440 km (io90iv - jo91rs) as reported  by the 
wsprnet.org database


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Dear Andy, Jim, LF group<br>
looks like i 've got your wspr tx 'ing first time on my side..<br>
just a fragment of my wspr screen..<br>
2300 -23=C2=A0 0.1=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.503904=C2=A0 0 M0BMU IO91 30<br>
2306 -21=C2=A0 0.0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.503904=C2=A0 0 M0BMU IO91 30<br>
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2320 -21=C2=A0 0.1=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.503904=C2=A0 0 M0BMU IO91 30<br>
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btw, Jim if you read this mail.. you've mentioned about a constant weak
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qth:=C2=A0 lodz, poland/jo91rs/<br>
p.s Andy , the qrb iis 1440 km (io90iv - jo91rs) as reported=C2=A0 by the
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From: henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>
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Hi Joe,
litlle trace vo1na
henny cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
VO1NA 29-01.jpg

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Joe,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>litlle trace vo1na</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende 
bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:<BR>VO1NA 29-01.jpg<BR><BR>Opmerking: 
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Dear Markus, LF Group,

Tnx reports - FB copy here also:

2016 -24  1.0   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2030 -11  1.2   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2038 -10  1.2   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2044  -8  1.2   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23

WSPR seems to have a fixed audio range centred on 1500Hz; I guess at least 
then everyone is reporting frequency the same way - increased chances of 
success! It would certainly be convenient if you could change it though...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
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> Hi Jim,
>
> just installed WSPR 1.01, and read your signal on first try:
>
> 1952 -26  1.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 1956 -22  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
>
> Is it possible to tell WSPR to listen on a different audio center 
> frequency, other than 1500 Hz?  At the moment, I have to workaround with 
> SpecLab on another PC converting from 2000 Hz.
>
> Kind regards
> Markus, DF6NM



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HNY to all!

I received last night DF6NM and RA3YO (sri nothing from WPF) - see
attached picture.
My Rx Yaesu FT857, 137KHz Preamp and Miniwhip.

vy73
Marco
DD7PC, JN49ax

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... here's the answer ;-)

Best wishes - Markus
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Markus Vester=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 1:49 PM
  Subject: LF: Unid DFCW


  Hi LF,

  twice at 11:21 and 12:31 today, I caught an unidentified northerly DFCW tr=
ace centered on 137703 - it looked like an attempted CQ with FSK working but=
 TX keying permanently on.

  During the morning, nice signals were also received from DL2HRE, a single=20=
long dash possibly from DK1KH, and later RN3AGC and F4DTL.

  73 and best wishes
  Markus, DF6NM

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>... here's the answer ;-)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best wishes - Markus</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Unid DFCW</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi LF,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>twice at 11:21 and 12:31=20
  today,&nbsp;I&nbsp;caught&nbsp;an unidentified&nbsp;northerly DFCW=20
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  FSK working but TX keying permanently on.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 and best wishes</FONT></DIV>
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Good signal "RU" on 137778.8 ( Visible on Laurence BY3A-KL1X Grabber )

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Hi John, LFers,

What is the 2187.5 kHz. MF-DSC that you mentioned in your
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Lots of strong signals qrs 3 active at present 1810 utc I am now qrv 502.57=20=
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Dear Piotr, Jim, Marco, Wolf,

Thanks for all the tips - there are plenty of things for me to try. I think=20=
Jim probably identified the main cause - not enough audio level. I was only=20=
getting Jim's signal as a green line on 137 kHz. On 500 kHz it was painting=20=
yellow (but not red).

Thanks for the help,

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Subject: Re: LF: RE: RE: WSPR beacon on 136kHz - QRT


Dave G3WCB wrote:

>Hi Jim, LF. =20
>
>Sadly no decodes from M0BMU or DF6NM on 136 last night.
>M0BMU was clearly audible and was showing on the waterfall display.
>
>I'm using WSPR 1.01_r1023, and it worked fine on 500kHz the other day.
>
>Am I doing something wrong? (well, yes, obviously, but what!)
>
>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
> =20
>
Hi Dave , LF
as other already  said  both the time (pc clock)  and frequency  must be=20
properly adjusted although  using this mode
on other bands i've noticed that   at the time when the  trace of a=20
signal was not entirely, say, horizontal
 i.e.  there was some freq. 'floating' over the 2 min period i still=20
got  positive decoding .  the wspr software  is primarily used  for the=20
beacon mode
( or TX'ing). The receiving  abilities are somewhat  'stiff '  or simply=20
there are not so many options you could play with.  the point is that=20
you see the signal AFTER it was received  and sometimes it takes more=20
than few seconds  to make the decoding process
i suggest to download the recent version of wsjt  - 7.02  where among=20
others, there is also an option for wspr as  the qso mode , however ,=20
you can  use it for only
receiving purposes - simply do not mark the "auto is on" box  clik on=20
the 'monitor'  button and you will receive wspr messages transmitted=20
either  by wspr soft or wsjt package.  Of course, at first you must=20
check the wspr mode it the "mode" option. when you  run the wsjt program=20
it also opens the specjt window which is of a great help when it comes=20
to the receiving the signal  - primarily you can  observe the signal all=20
the time during the 2 min tx period  - you have ( at the bottom of the=20
specjt window) 'buttons' for changin the  brightness, contrast and=20
digital gain.   also, in the main wsjt window, there is a TOL button=20
and  when you play with it using left or right mouse clicks you can =20
narrow or extend the built in filter ( the green mark  in the upper part=20
of specjt window)  click the mouse button and observe the widening or=20
narrowing the tiny green line . also looking  at the shape or  'width'=20
of the signal line you can adjust  the strenght of your signal from your=20
receiver coming into the sound card   may be  those few remarks will=20
bring some help...
                                                                           =20=
                                    =20
73, peter, sq7mpj
qth: lodz, poland /jo91rs/
                                  =20


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At this stage of the game I've graduated to 'plug and play' RF electronics, 
thanks to Mini-Circuits and like parts, all available for a song on E-Bay.

The IC706 made many trips so sea and was most useful as a duplex CW 
transceiver on the marine CW and SITOR frequencies, and it is so old as to 
be almost serial #1.

The picture @ this link shows a scheme for 10kc-510kc transceive. It is most 
self explanatory with the only hidden info is that I cut the B+ lead to the 
final of the IC706 and so by magic the RF output level @ 10.500 mhz. dropped 
to 7 milliwatts, talk about luck and a happy mixer.

www.radiocom.net/600M/TxVerter2.jpg

The QRG is held to tight specs by use of the GPS diciplined clock 10mhz as 
the LO input to the DB Mixer.

On 500kc. I use the modified Ramsey 1W amp shown, followed by a modified 
200W Mitsubishi stereo amp with giant 900V FETS, and thence to a modified 
SB200, now designated as a SB600M. The Greenlee punches around here are all 
dull and old, so why start from scratch any more??
Rework of junk commercial and military boxes is now the caper.

www.radiocom.net/600M/SB600M3.jpg

And here is the best TX antenna I have used so far here, free of any ground 
radials and many top load wires hung up in trees, but only meant for really 
poor soil conductivity mind you and that is < .5 millimho here on silica 
soil. Always wondered how it would be to have an antenna in 'free space'.
It amounts to a 65' vertical of #4 wire inside garden hose and laid over 
high pine trees. A free extra is that the loop is certainly more quiet than 
the Marconi vertical. It also works DX up to 6M so we took all the other 
wire antennas down. Life is getting simple, so we do.

www.radiocom.net/600M/Loop1107.jpg

Too much fun and not enuf air time!!  Even had a SKN QSO on 600M, ham radio 
is still fun...

Regards to all,

Dave@WD2XSH/17






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Who is this other station shown in my capture list? Would like to know
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hi warren,

only one x,
henny cpm
73s

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi warren,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>only one x,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny cpm</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen 
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Dave=20
I did not realise that you knew Merv/NC1K and engaged in cloud lazer experim=
ents. I have know Merv for years and knew him since his G3PXB days.
We both worked together around 1964 before he emigrated to the USA.
He was over here a few years ago and I saw him then. Unfortunately I got the=
 news about his departure just recently.
73 and hpe to hear from u agn and look out for me tonite on 502.51 khz start=
ing at 2200 utc approx.
Mal/g3kev/Scarborough

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: dave.riley3=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09 AM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Mal,

  Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


  73s from Dave




  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Jay
  Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and agn=
 2214 utc
  It looks ok so far.
  mal
  g3kev


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I did not realise that you knew Merv/NC1K a=
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engaged in cloud lazer experiments. I have know Merv for years and knew him=20
since his G3PXB days.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We both worked together around 1964 before=20=
he=20
emigrated to the USA.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He was over here a few years ago and I saw=20=
him=20
then. Unfortunately I got the news about his departure just=20
recently.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 and hpe to hear from u agn and look out=20=
for me=20
tonite on 502.51 khz starting at 2200 utc approx.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal/g3kev/Scarborough</FONT></DIV>
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net">dave.riley3</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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ksheep.org</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09=
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  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <A=
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  <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>73s from Dave</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><BR><BR><STRONG>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: mal hamilton=20
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  <BR>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM<BR>Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: R=
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  MF CONDX<BR><BR><BR>Jay<BR>Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first=
=20
  seen 2207 then gap and agn 2214 utc<BR>It looks ok so=20
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Are you still running identical ERP ?
The Olivia trace looks a lot stronger on the waterfall and I can't see
the MFSK signal at all, even when it is decoding well.   Same MultiPSK
display on both.

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John, Rik and group

Confirming that WE2XGR/2 TX is up and WSPRing. Will continue transmissions until at least 0000Z and 
probably beyond.

Jay  W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


----- Original Message ----- 
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>I moved up to 507 too.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
> Quoting John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
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>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:08:45 -0500
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>>> WE2XGR/2 will be in WSPR mode tonight starting 2030Z on dial
>>> frequency 507.000 kHz.
>>
>> Hello Jay, LF,
>>
>> I've just retuned, to 507kHz dial, at 20:00 - I'm hoping to catch the
>> first of your tranmsit periods and will continue through the night.
>>
>> RX setup is identical to the last test, same antenna/pre-amp etc...
>>
>> Cheers and good luck
>>
>> John
>> GM4SLV
>>
>>
>
>
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Hello Wolf,
Are you receive my E-mail ?
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

dl4yhf@freenet.de a =E9crit :
> Greetings all,
>
> Just met G3XDV on 136.7 kHz in CW - thanks Mike - , now still waiting for=20=
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>
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ot sure.
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> No positive callsign identification in JO42FD yet.
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> QRM - mostly Luxemburg-type howling- is terrible here.
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Dave G3WCB wrote:

>Hi Jim, LF.  
>
>Sadly no decodes from M0BMU or DF6NM on 136 last night.
>M0BMU was clearly audible and was showing on the waterfall display.
>
>I'm using WSPR 1.01_r1023, and it worked fine on 500kHz the other day.
>
>Am I doing something wrong? (well, yes, obviously, but what!)
>
>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>  
>
Hi Dave , LF
as other already  said  both the time (pc clock)  and frequency  must be 
properly adjusted although  using this mode
on other bands i've noticed that   at the time when the  trace of a 
signal was not entirely, say, horizontal
 i.e.  there was some freq. 'floating' over the 2 min period i still 
got  positive decoding .  the wspr software  is primarily used  for the 
beacon mode
( or TX'ing). The receiving  abilities are somewhat  'stiff '  or simply 
there are not so many options you could play with.  the point is that 
you see the signal AFTER it was received  and sometimes it takes more 
than few seconds  to make the decoding process
i suggest to download the recent version of wsjt  - 7.02  where among 
others, there is also an option for wspr as  the qso mode , however , 
you can  use it for only
receiving purposes - simply do not mark the "auto is on" box  clik on 
the 'monitor'  button and you will receive wspr messages transmitted 
either  by wspr soft or wsjt package.  Of course, at first you must 
check the wspr mode it the "mode" option. when you  run the wsjt program 
it also opens the specjt window which is of a great help when it comes 
to the receiving the signal  - primarily you can  observe the signal all 
the time during the 2 min tx period  - you have ( at the bottom of the 
specjt window) 'buttons' for changin the  brightness, contrast and 
digital gain.   also, in the main wsjt window, there is a TOL button 
and  when you play with it using left or right mouse clicks you can  
narrow or extend the built in filter ( the green mark  in the upper part 
of specjt window)  click the mouse button and observe the widening or 
narrowing the tiny green line . also looking  at the shape or  'width' 
of the signal line you can adjust  the strenght of your signal from your 
receiver coming into the sound card   may be  those few remarks will 
bring some help...
                                                                                                                 
73, peter, sq7mpj
qth: lodz, poland /jo91rs/
                                   


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Hi Markus, hi group!

Thank you Marcus for mentioning the "Luxemburg effect".
Yes I had a rough idea that its somekind of cross modulation in the ionosphere, 
when a strong signal is present. 

Now I want to know more. Using a search engine for half an hour, I'm not satisfied with the infos. 
How does this interaction, modulation take place, where is the nonlinearity?

Do You know useful links or even a book to read about it?

Thank You!
Have a nice evening
Dennis




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Hello Joe your signal was still visable at 8:00z.
Captured 2:30z

73
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Reminds me of a little Yorkshire Terrier, chasing its tail .quite cute ..=20

Next time just set the RX  to  mute before you press the key . ....

..=20




From: mal hamilton=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:31 PM
To: rsgb=20
Subject: LF: Spread spectrum


A spread spectrum transmission has appeared on 500 khz, spreading nearly 2 k=
hz across, centre about 501.6 khz
Channels 20 hz apart.=20
G3KEV



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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Next time just set the&nbsp;RX &nbsp;to&nbs=
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Channels 20 hz&nbsp;apart. </FONT></DIV>
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I have (sort-of) sorted out the transmitter control problem.  While
both  WSPR.EXE  and WSJT6 both refuse to properly control the
PC-installed COM1 port, they do both behave properly with an FTDI type
USB COM port.

So am running a WSPR beacon on 503.47kHz for a while.

Still intrigued to know why Joe's software won't drive my COM 1
properly, whereas it works with USB based conm ports.  Whereas other
software, including direct programming it from VB6, does allow
complete control of DTR and RTS signal lines.


Andy  G4JNT
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Sorry.  That should be 1115z

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>1215z
>
>John F5VLF

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Good signal from DK7SU on 136.8kHz CW at 549, 0930 Sun 18 Jan.. 
Unfortunately he can't hear me. Good to hear some CW on this band.

Mike, G3XDV
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Lee,

that's the header I see at http://www.wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots

Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Lee Hudson <hudsonville@btinternet.com>:

> Gary, Rik, John, Andy
>
> That's the distance I worked it out at too.
> But interestingly 434miles is 700km as Andy confirms.
>
> My Locator is correct IO93gx Harrogate, North of Leeds.
>
> Do you see km and miles Rik?
> I have 1127km 700mi showing on John's spots.
>
> Gary and I are within an hours drive.
> Certainly not the case to IP90gg, how's the wine doing John?
>
> Lee M0LMH.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
> Sent: 30 January 2009 22:01
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>
>
> Lee, LF,
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>
>
> I have checked and :-
>
>
>
> IO83qp to IP90gg =3D 460 miles
>
> IO93gx to IP90gg =3D 434 miles
>
>
>
> Have you got your locator correct?
>
>
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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> Hi LF Group,
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>
> Just been looking at the Database of tonights activity, and I'm reported a=
t
> 700miles from GM4SLV
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> Yet G4WGT is only 460miles.
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> Has the database put the km in my miles column?
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> A known bug?
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> 73,
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> Lee M0LMH.
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Dear Pete, LF Group,

M0FMT wrote:
>Mal you've got my vote and probably the Vote of the silent majority on the 
>Band....

This is presumably the same silent majority that complain about lack of 
activity. It would be nice if the majority was a little less silent, at 
least in the RF sense.

Ofcom have granted the 500kHz NoVs for research purposes. We each had to 
make an application based on what sort of research we intended to do. In 
mine, among other things, I proposed to investigate the effectiveness of 
various different modes at MF, and the application was granted on this 
basis. I hope to get some results, either positive or negative, that will 
shed some light on this subject.

In the meantime, arguments rage on, mostly people telling anyone who is 
doing anything on 500kHz that they shouldn't be doing it. This is not very 
constructive; if we expect Ofcom to extend the 500kHz deadline, and to 
entertain future requests for bandwidth, we collectively need to show that 
interesting things can be done with this type of allocation by amateurs. 
Most of the band is empty most of the time, so there is plenty of space for 
more different kinds of activity according to different tastes and 
interests - there is no requirement to reach a universal consensus first.

So if you are part of this Silent Majority who don't like the existing 
activity on 500k, get busy doing the things that you do like - and persuade 
like-minded people to join in. It has to be better than ranting!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Hello LF!
There is a nice DFCW signal from SO5AS (KO02JD) on 137.700kHz now.

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Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
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Paul
Normally 136.3 khz and around that area has been used by EU stns for QRS 
acty and USA listeners. Since then a data stn has started up and makes it 
difficult for other EU stns to copy through the bursts of QRM. Normally the 
USA stns use 137.7 khz area.
This procedure was used when the band was vy busy some years ago to avoid 
QRM to normal CW acty. Because band occupancy is vy low at present I do not 
suppose anyone is going to complain about using up to 136.8 khz. If the band 
suddenly became vy active then the QRS stns could move lower.
My opinion and I must get my 136 TX fired up one of these days.
Your signal is still strong here and no noticeable QSB all evening, very 
constant signal. This LF band is more reliable and consistant than 500 khz 
which seems to suffer badly from fade most of the time. More power is needed 
on 500 khz to help over come the QSB problem.
73 and gl de mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ


Hello Mal, LF

I will consider a new frequency for tomorrow, right now I know some people 
have
set up their systems logging overnight in the hope to find something there 
in
the morning and I can only want to make short excursions elsewhere.

Keep the QRG suggestions coming. How about 136.80 or 137.00kHz? I'm not 
familiar
with the LORAN QRM etc. you are experiencing there. 136.50kHz got thumbs 
down
already yesterday so it needs to be higher than that.

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Paul
> Your freq is too low because of the qrm around 136 khz. A better freq 
> would
> be 136.5 or higher.
> mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:02 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
>
>
> Thanks for the report Mal!
>
> Happy to send some lower frequency signals back in return for all those
> received
> on 600 metres. Looks like the OH-G path is still in the same good shape it
> used
> to be when Reino was still active on the band.
>
> 73's
>
> Paul-Henrik
>
> Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
> > Paul
> > Good copy ere now OOO at 2048 utc have good photo
> > mal/g3kev
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the screenshot Jim!
> >
> > Amazing, I thought it would take more to make it down there. It is good 
> > to
> > be
> > back on 136 after a 12 year break. My best DX back then was the 
> > Karlsborg
> > expedition in Sweden (7S6SAJ)
> >
> > 73's
> >
> > Paul-Henrik
> >
> > Quoting James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
> >
> > > Dear Paul-Henrik,
> > >
> > > Now copying your QRSS3 - see attachment. Signal is recovering from 
> > > QSB.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Jim Moritz
> > > 73 de M0BMU
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Dear LF Group,

The WSPR beacon is now QRT at 0206utc - I was worried about falling asleep 
with 900W going up the antenna, which is now waving around a lot in the 
wind!

Many thanks for all the reports, which have made this a successful first 
attempt at WSPR on 136k for this station.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Hi Joe,
capture XKO
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73s
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Dear LF Group,

Looking at the spots from "K1JT" on the reflector, I guess someone has not 
updated the WSPR defaults before uploading to the database. Since G4WGT is 
getting similar SNR reports to G4JNT with much lower ERP, I guess it must be 
someone in the north... please check!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Hi LF,

 

Is this the first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??

 

 

CQ CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk

 

CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nb

 

m0bmu ... ok jim  uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu 

 

copy ok ???  how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham good
copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out the software
still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0nbd

 

ok dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker !  

 

fine copy 100%  what is your peak power o/p ????

 

nice to  work you for the first time .. 

hr running   30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti  pa block ..
multipsk ..

 

ae  35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config

 

ok ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still good copy
when ur sig barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long inv
L antenna from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP should
be close to 1W BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd

 

ok jim fine .. well all 100%  even in a deep qsb dip your signal fell under
the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode ..hihi/..  i
used  250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a good copy under qsb ..
better than psk ..

 

your signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking on spec-lab
and can only see same as my ouit going .......

 

ok .. well  fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti  pa .. im
keeping 

power down hihi

btu jim ???

 

g0ndb de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had had a nasty
accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but mostly
OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude
modulation in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things a
bit simpler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500hz
bandwidth variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many
complaints about bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd

 m0bmu .. de g0nbd 

 

ok fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx button and
the tx stopped hihi 

 

well this was a quick test to  see if this mode printed better over the
noise ...looks to  work very well  

 

could   change mode ?   8 x 250  that would give a good test ,  reduce to
8 x 250   8 x 250 ???

 

bkbkbkbk

 

ok graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8 x 50 mode
now - pse qrx...ok  changing to  8 x 250

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Is this the first Olivia QSO on=
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=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>CQ CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk<o:=
p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>CQ CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><=
st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City>
 <st1:State w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nbsp;
g0nbd&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
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 <st1:State w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nbsp;
g0nbd&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
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=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City>
 <st1:State w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nb<o:p></o:p></span><=
/font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>m0bmu ... ok jim&nbsp; uBg0ndb=
 g0ndb de m0bmu
m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
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></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>copy ok ???&nbsp; how me ??*Fb=
h)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de
m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham good copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still
trying to figure out the software still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0=
nbd<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
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></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok dr jim .. well your signal=20=
is quite loud on
the speaker !&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
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></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>fine copy 100%&nbsp; what is y=
our peak power o/p
????<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
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></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>nice to&nbsp; work you for the=
 first time .. <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>hr running&nbsp;&nbsp; 30 watt=
s , racal
ma1723/ra1778 with skanti&nbsp; pa block .. multipsk ..<o:p></o:p></span></f=
ont></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ae&nbsp; 35 ft top load vertic=
al .. inv L config<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu=20=
r ok 100% some QSB
here, but still good copy when <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">=
ur</st1:place></st1:City>
sig barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long inv L antenn=
a
from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP should be close to=
 1W
BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok jim fine .. well all 100%&n=
bsp; even in a deep
qsb dip your signal fell under the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks
like a good mode ..hihi/..&nbsp; i used&nbsp; 250 hz 8 tone in the past and
this gave a good copy under qsb .. better than psk ..<o:p></o:p></span></fon=
t></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>your signal is very clean from=
 the tx .. no
splillage .. looking on spec-lab and can only see same as my ouit going ....=
...<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok .. well&nbsp; fine on the 1=
 wat erp .. after
destroying my skanti&nbsp; pa .. im keeping <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>power down hihi<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>btu jim ???<o:p></o:p></span><=
/font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>g0ndb de m0bmu lost u suddenly=
 there, was a bit
worried PA had had a nasty accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half=
 of
your over, but mostly OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not reall=
y
any amplitude modulation in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and k=
eep
things a bit simpler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and
500hz bandwidth variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many
complaints about bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd<o:p></o:p></span=
></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>&nbsp;m0bmu .. de g0nbd <o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok fine jim .. well 100% copy=20=
that over again ..
i pressed the rx button and the tx stopped hihi <o:p></o:p></span></font></b=
></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>well this was a quick test to&=
nbsp; see if this
mode printed better over the noise ...looks to&nbsp; work very well&nbsp; <o=
:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>could&nbsp;&nbsp; change mode=20=
?&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x
250&nbsp; that would give a good test ,&nbsp; reduce to&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8=20=
x
250&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250 ???<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>bkbkbkbk<o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>ok graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over t=
o 8 x 50
mode now - pse qrx...ok&nbsp; changing to&nbsp; 8 x 250</span></font></b><b>=
<font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

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:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
ont-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>73,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p=
></p>

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font-size: 12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
ont-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.</span></font></b>=
</strong><o:p></o:p></p>

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Gary, Marco,

I was afraid so.
As Marco I prefer using WSJT7 because it is more user friendly (real 
time spectogram and input level measurement).
I ended up with running WSJT7 and WSPR1.01 "in parallel" (they are 
happy to share the sound card), WSJT7 as the actual viewer and 
WSPR1.01 in the background for logging (uploading) purposes.
Funny is that they do not always agree on the SNR value. They are 0.1 
or 0.2 dB off sometimes. The 0.1 dB could be due to rounding, but 0.2 dB ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 11:42 30/01/2009, you wrote:
>Rik, LF,
>
>Apparently not.
>
>I have not used it but have seen several posts commenting on the fact that
>it does not upload spots. I think the reason is that it is a QSO mode WSPR &
>the version 1.01 is beacon mode.
>
>73
>
>Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
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>Dear all,
>
>last night I tried receiving WSPR using WSJT7.
>It works fine, but I cannot find any "upload button".
>Does WSJT7 (in WSPR mode) have an upload function ?
>
>73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
>
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Jim,

Running 50 watts to the array, that's about 100mW erp

assume your at 1 w ?

G

Nb- tnx all for reports



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>
> Dear Graham, Andy, LF Group,
>
> Now copying G0NDB on 503.548 according to the WSPR decode window. Graham's
> signal is about S3 here.
>
> I intend to have the beacon running overnight with the same settings, so
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> Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Hello Walter,

Better conditions tonight possibly...  I can plainly see a 'D' on the ARGO f=
rom you and will let the Capture run tonight...

I also see station on 505.110 but no ident...   Proton density is 3.6 with w=
ide variations...

DI2AM is up and down with QSB and QRN but very nice +15db out of noise on pe=
aks...

Lets keep trying...


Dave


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Walter und Marianne Staubach=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:26 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: weak signal


  Good evening, Mal,
  tnx fer report. Now QRO 1.5W ERP fer Dave, AA1A. He sent me a screenshot w=
ith traces of my QRP-signal 2 days ago. Hopefully he can catch more this nig=
ht.=20
  73   Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF


    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:20 PM
    Subject: LF: Re: weak signal


    Walter guten tag
    No problem to copi ur signal vy strong here with my antenna system.
    73 gl de mal/g3kev

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Walter und Marianne Staubach=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:41 PM
      Subject: LF: weak signal


      Here is the weak signal for Mal. DI2AG on 505.090 beaconing.
      73   Walter  DI2AG / DJ2LF



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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Hello Walter,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Better conditions tonight possibly...&nbsp; I ca=
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plainly see a 'D' on the ARGO from you and will let the Capture run=20
tonight...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>I also see station on 505.110 but no=20
ident...&nbsp;&nbsp; Proton density is 3.6 with wide=20
variations...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>DI2AM is up and down with QSB and QRN but very n=
ice=20
+15db out of noise on peaks...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Lets keep trying...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Dave</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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e.de">Walter und Marianne Staubach</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org    href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@black=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good evening, Mal,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>tnx fer report. Now QRO 1.5W ERP fer Dave=
, AA1A.=20
  He sent me a screenshot with traces of my QRP-signal 2 days ago. Hopefully=
 he=20
  can catch more this night. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF</FONT=
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Walter guten tag</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No problem to copi ur signal vy strong=20=
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    with my antenna system.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 gl de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here is the weak signal for Mal. DI2A=
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      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter&nbsp; DI2AG /=20
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Andy,

Well ... after the initial beacon bedlam ... (ground wave induced I might 
add)  things  sort of settled down , the beacons migrated to the edges of 
the band , cw tended to  congregate round 502 Khz with  85 hz shift rtty 
featuring round this frequency as well, the nightly GI/GM  qso was cantered 
round  501.5

The gathering of wspr round 503.6 is a comparatively new  'thing'  which may 
of been jelled by Gary operating close to  his normal 'qrss' beacon 
frequency of 503.6 , to  date it was only myself and Jim  who could generate 
and transmit any mode , Chris operated  rtty fsk but usually round 502.  I 
tended to  centre round 503 for any data tests.

A lot of stations where/are xtal controlled,  and as such a band plan would 
not of been much use, locality  was and is  the main problem. Gary and my 
self for example having virtually a clear band to  experiment in !

I would suggest that  wspr activity is migrated to the top 200 Hz of the 
band .. that's if the qrp beacon that lived there  has stopped sending..  to 
give the widest separation from other users, centred on  503.9 Khz carrier 
frequency ?

Graham ..









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From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:40 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5

>
> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?  I'm rather
> late coming on to it having only got the NoV last week, and haven't
> followed the reflector over the last year or two (microwaves were
> calling)
>
> Clearly WSPR needs to be concentrated on a particular centre freq
> (503.5), but what else is standard?
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/25 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
>> Dear Andy, John, LF Group,
>>
>> Yes, Chas, G3DXZ suddenly appeared on the WSPR frequency in CW, so we 
>> QSYed
>> a bit for a contact - I'll probably recover, given time!
>>
>> The WSPR beacon is back on again now.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P-G"
>> <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>
>>
>>
>>> Currently listening to your QSO on CW with Chas. This is the first time
>>> I think I've heard you on "real man's CW". Even in wideband mode, so I
>>> can continue the WPSR monitoring, you're a good 539 in the old money.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>



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Weak copy of your qrp signal Warren,

73

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Heinz=20
I  will look out for u and I will also be on later this evening fm 1800 utc=20=
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73 mal/g3kev

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  this should be 136.5kHz of course...

  73 Heinz

  Heinz Schnait schrieb:=20
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Hello Warren, LF!
There were two "reception windows", as you can see on the pictures. I am gla=
d, that I saw your low-power signal.

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Dear Jay, LF Group,

Have just decoded WE2XGR here also - I see G3XVL is also copying Jay.

I have set up another RX and PC, so now can monitor both WSPR "windows" at 
the same time.

M0BMU is now also transmitting WSPR on 502.4kHz "dial frequency".

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:41:48 +0100
Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> wrote:

> And a good part of our solar system would be in the near field.
> Mal would have to contact Pluto before he could claim a DX ;-)
> 

What's the "out and back" time for a message to Pluto? 

Might be a long wait to find out "it's not raining also"

John



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Hello Jim,

All your wspr messages were successfully decoded until I switched off.
Statics doesn't seem to affect wspr too much at this level of signal.

I was using a 2x2m one turn loop tuned to 500 kHz and a dedicated 500 kHz
SDR receiver. I/Q conversion to base band is performed by SpectrumLab.
You may notice a change in your reported frequency. I modified the OL
frequency (SpectrumLab) by only one hertz to correct a wrong value, but
infortunately the FFT size still needs to be increased to get a better
resolution (the fft resolution reported by SL is 1,4648 Hz !)

The code of the 137 kHz transceiver is now successfully modified to send a
WSPR beacon, and I plan to do real operation on saterday 17 at the local
radioclub (depends on the good or bad weather though)

 2154  38   5  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2202  37   5  1.7   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2206  38   6  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2210  35   4  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2214  33   1  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2222  33   1  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2226  35   4  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2232  31  -1  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2238  29  -2  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2246  31  -1  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2252  32   1  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2258  31   0  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2302  35   4  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2310  30  -1  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2318  27  -3  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2324  39   8  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2328  34   2  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2332  30   0  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2336  31   0  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2342  34   4  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2348  30   0  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2352  32   1  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2358  33   3  2.0   0.503509  M0BMU IO91 30
 0004  25  -5  1.9   0.503509  M0BMU IO91 30
 0012  37   5  2.0   0.503509  M0BMU IO91 30
 0020  32   1  2.0   0.503509  M0BMU IO91 30
 0028  39   7  2.1   0.503509  M0BMU IO91 30
 0036  38   7  1.5   0.503509  M0BMU IO91 30
 0040  33   2  1.5   0.503509  M0BMU IO91 30

 73,
 Michel, f5wk




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Mal, LF,

I am watching & decoding.

Bandwidth is as stated by the operator 1KHz, that's 502.5 to 503.5KHz here
but well away from band edge.

Gary - G4WGT.

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Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq

OM
Your transmission is outside the band limit, spreading to 504.6 khz.
I can see why OFCOM are concerned about stricter control concerning data 
mode bandwidth.
g3kev

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> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
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> centre frequency  503 khz
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> tx mode usb
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> power 30 watts tune signal
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> Will send for next few hours
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> Reports welcome
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk>
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Subject: LF: Censorship


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In essence my email said   WSPR (and QRSS)  are best at the top edge of the
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it to be most effective especially when I am away (a lot recently)

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Hello LF!
That=B4s fine, I have seen whole "O" from callsign WD2XKO this morning. The=20=
best time was around 06:30UT.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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Hello LF!<br>That=B4s fine, I have seen whole "O" from callsign WD2XKO this=20=
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Hello Mike,i hope a LF contact with you next time.
=20
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F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP
_http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20

=20
Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 25/01/2009 15:19:16 Paris, Madrid, =20
mike.dennison@ntlworld.com a =E9crit :

Nice  activity on 136kHz this morning - possibly fuelled by the=20
expected OE  activity or maybe the CQ WW 160 contest this weekend.

Worked DK4U (549)  on CW. Also heard CW from G3YXM (599) and G3KEV=20
(589). QRSS3 from M0BMU  and F4DTL, both 'O'.

Did not hear anything from the OE  stations.

Topped off the morning by my first WSPR decode - from M0BMU  who is=20
local to me - on 500kHz with my ant still tuned to  136.

Mike, G3XDV
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Hello Joe ,
Nothing also !
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

henny van elst a =E9crit :
> hny Joe,
> nothing seen,
> henny pa3cpm
> 73s
>
>  =20

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Dear LF Group,

we should clearly differenciate between all aspects.

A propagation study does not need any information transfer 
via the radio path other than confidence on the identity of 
the station in focus. In that case, observing the carrier 
is best. So WSPR has no advantage over QRSS.

On the other hand, WSPR has the advantage of automatic 
recording. But that is not an advantage of the mode, it 
simply is the lack of a corresponding simple program that 
does the same with a QRSS signal.

If the propagation is monitored with the final goal to 
make a QSO at appropriate conditions, then the information 
transfer gets important. In that case, WSPR may outperform 
QRSS by a few dBs (at the same error rate). 

Nevertheless, WSPR is not very near to the Shannon limit. 
I spent nearly all my leisure time of the last year with 
the design of a new digital ham radio QSO-mode HD43 that 
comes as close as possible to the theoretical limit. 
I will send a preprint on request.

73 de Klaus, DJ5HG 
 


> mal hamilton wrote:
> > On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation 
> 
> Good points Mal. However CW for manual reception and QRSS, to be viewed
> on a waterfall display, are fine for all manner of uses and in extremis
> QRSS is probably more sensitive than WSPR. However QRSS requires the
> receiving station to be actively watching the screen all the time, or to
> save traces automatically and then manually review them, by eye, later.
> 
> This is rather time consuming and laborious.
> 
> WSPR may have it's downsides, and the problems last night with G0NBD
> aside, I've never had any problems decoding anything I can visually see,
> and also much that I could not hear and would be at the threshold of
> QRSS useabilty.
> 
> I have confidence that what I see reported by the software is a
> reasonable representation of what was transmitted, and it's much easier
> to quantify changes in signal strength vs time with the WSPR data than
> estimating by eye the quality of a QRSS transmission.
> 
> It may not be accurate in terms of actual reported S/N ratio, but it's
> consistent from session to session, and gives numbers to work with, if
> that's your interest.
> 
> Not everyone can sit waiting for the brief propagation opening, so
> automating the process at least adds another facet this interesting hobby.
> 
> If it hurts no-one then what's the harm?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John
> GM4SLV
> 
> 
> 




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Dear LF Group,

I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/- (136.0kHz 
"dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any reports would be very 
welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Hi Markus ,
Good luck to track unpleasant the small arc which makes you miseries!=20
..... And if Murphy is in the party aie aie !......
73 and HNY for 2009 , Jean-Pierre f1afj

Markus Vester a =E9crit :
> Hi Jean-Pierre,
>
> thanks for the report! I was trying to locate an intermittent fault in=20
> the antenna system. Most times, I can go up to my full 200 W, giving=20
> 3.5 A (16 kV rms) without problems. But sporadically already above a=20
> threshold of  1 A (4.5 kV rms), some sort of partial discharge starts=20
> to happen, resulting in increased and erratically variable resistance=20
> and also slightly increased capacitance. It is accompanied by strong=20
> noise emissions in the FM broadcast band (which had been hardly=20
> noticable during several former instances of visible corona). With a=20
> piece of wire as a capacitive probe on a scope, a distinct and fast=20
> "ringing" is present on each rising edge of the carrier sinusoid. I=20
> have tried to look for visual corona in the dark and listen for the=20
> telltale sharp hiss of voltage breakdown, but with no definite=20
> findings up to now. At the moment all seems ok - Murphy's playing hide=20
> and seek...
>
> Best wishes for 2009,
>
> de Markus, DF6NM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)""=20
> <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:36 PM
> Subject: LF: 137.750 qrss3
>
>
>> Hello Markus (NM)
>> Good copy of your signal test now !
>> 73 HNY Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
>
>
>

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Ok Gary,

Thats the first odd report hihi ...psk was not supposed to be better .......=
=20
! doesn't look well for decodes at range .. i will try and add a few more=20
watts ..

are you running  x 3 multipsk at once ? the beacon text is :-

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk

Tnx - G ..



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:37 PM
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Subject: LF: RE: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON -=20
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Graham, LF,
>
> OK all copied here at varying percentages.
>
> MFSK8
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ea dKt  tp r=A2i=FAiik1kE Keonoe
> x'!etiwB Fa=F8oit"0i=FCTelt !cgne=CAW=A5 Dr gf ! la(  i:a =BEd=F5ie.Yp  a.=
t=A2 P=20
> ntiae=8Fyt
> rl k =A2gt s CDdo   bd
> CQ CQ V) DE...g0abd   8=A9x  ag0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ ..=B1t=DFnbd  g0n!d  g0nbw kkk =C4& =C4jt  =F6=CE  E.xg0nbd  g0nb=
d  g0nbd
> CQ CQ Jd  t E...g0nbd  yz0nbd   C=A9oLQ CQ DE.n ki=B1ngS =A7/  g0P%iKhk er=
 xu5ui
> i=B9a tyfbhttaq=3D  ih=C4iod  elmha n n E=A1tdi=A2nbeeue Ntotm=E2eNRxeca
>
> PSK31
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Olivia 8 x 250
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbj<"g0nbd  kkk z34QU
> @DK   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQXs[ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk Q cY9L,'6   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd
> g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  0}^)  g0nbd
> CQ C1@#Q DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk H1R7Y
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING=20
> NOW
> - 1615 HRS
>
> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in=20
> parallel
>
> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running=20
> on
>
> the same pc in beacon mode
>
> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference=20
> signal
> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>
> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>
> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>
> Running  3 mode beacon
>
> Dial set   502 khz usb
>
> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>
> 1250 hz   psk31
>
> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>
> Reports  welcome
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
> Io83LK
>
>
>
>
>



>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009=20
> 13:10
>=20


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If certain ISPs incorrectly classifiy like this, I wonder if they
could be presented with a "Defamation of Character" claim... under
Human Rights legislation or whatever.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/26 Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>:
> Hi Mark, well at least your ISP does not seem to be blacklisted, because
> some are still like Laurence who I think has had to use a different ISP,
> because that mail got through. The spambots at some ISPs have been made very
> aggressive recently as a result of the "Child Protection pressure" The VLF
> Group I sub to was rated as an "adult site" because on poster named his
> design "Little Cutie" (It will be interesting to see it this gets through
> !!) There have also been problems with some ISPs where a mesage has refered
> to the gender of a coax connector !! You might find it interesting to
> re-read you failed message for "double entendres"
>
> Cheers
> Alan G3NYK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark" <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:26 AM
> Subject: LF: Censorship
>
>
> Seems that the spambots are censoring mail to this group
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>
>  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>    SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
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>
> In essence my email said   WSPR (and QRSS)  are best at the top edge of the
> band. They will not interfere much with each other.
> My WSPR decoder  and grabber is on 24/7 so an agreed frequency is needed for
> it to be most effective especially when I am away (a lot recently)
>
> Mark GM4ISM
>
>
>


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Dear LF Group,

M0BMU is now transmitting WSPR again - also currently logging G4JNT and 
G4WGT

Re: the question of a WSPR centre frequency, 503.9kHz +/-100Hz would seem 
sensible - it should be possible to allow a guard band of say 10 or 20Hz to 
the band edge within that bandwidth. There would not be much point in trying 
to transmit a WSPR signal if your TX could not maintain that kind of 
accuracy. With that range, the maximum contiguous spectrum would be 
available for other things in  the amateur band. The only problem would be 
for locations where there is a lot of noise around 504kHz - I believe Finbar 
has this problem with harmonics of 252kHz, but I don't know how widespread a 
problem that is. If it is a problem, 501.1kHz +/-100Hz would be more 
suitable...

Re: ERP vs TX power. There seems to be an assumption for the HF users of 
WSPR that you should specify the TX power. I think this is partly because 
many people are unfamiliar with the concept of ERP. Some others have the 
idea that you could deduce information on antenna performance by looking at 
the TX power of the transmitting stations and SNR, distances and directions 
reported by receiving stations. I don't think that is feasible; to do so you 
would also need to have fairly accuate knowledge of the directional pattern 
of the transmitting antenna, the path loss (including the effects of ground 
loss, fading, ionospheric conditions at that particular time), the 
directional pattern of the receiving antenna, and the band noise level at 
the receiving antenna at that particular time. These variables would be 
different for every receiving station, and also vary a lot over time.  As 
others have said, an intelligent estimate of ERP will usually be within a 
few dBs, which implies the antenna performance will be usually already be 
known with much better accuracy than all these other variables. So I think 
it would be a much better idea to specify ERP, and use WSPR reports as a 
tool to analyse propagation, rather than try to do it the other way round.

As Graham says, on HF the ERP will be within not-many-dBs of the TX power 
anyway, unless the antenna is very big or very small. At LF/MF there are 
wide variations. G4WGT running 5W is quite QRP with his home antenna, but 
would probably be well over the 1W ERP limit if he were using G3KEV's 
antenna. So really you have to state ERP in order to give a realistic 
measure of how strong the signal is at source.

In answer to:
>>>>Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW ERP from a 
>>>>large one.

Of course it will! ERP is a measure of how much field strength is produced 
at a given distance, so if both stations have the same ERP, the signals will 
go equally far - that is the point of ERP, it is a measure of the actual 
radiated signal, after losses and so forth are accounted for. If the small 
antenna is producing 2mW ERP, it implies that more TX power is being used to 
get that figure than is required by the presumably more efficient big 
antenna.  Not many people believe it though! I actually did the experiment 
back in 2000 on 136kHz, setting up a small inverted L next to the 100m high 
Decca Navigator mast at Puckeridge, and adjusting the power levels until the 
radiated signal levels were roughly similar (about 1W TX for the 100m mast, 
350W for the inv L as I recall...). The signal reports I got indicated the 
same relative levels from the two antennas, at distances between about 2km 
and 1000km.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:45 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5


> Graham, LF,
>
> I do agree that ERP is more meaningful & as Mal & Andy stated it is the
> criteria with which the licence is approved.
>
> My comment was to follow the WSPR recommended method as adopting ERP would
> mean there are two "standards".
>
> I ERP is adopted for LF then it should be international & not just UK, so 
> an
> official announcement by the main WSPR group would be required.
> Comments please.
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 25 January 2009 20:29
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
> Gary,
>
> I don't think a guard band is really needed as if you set the centre 
> carrier
>
> frequency to  503.9 , then operating at the extreme edges is not really
> possible, you're  right on the edge of the waterfall. the deviation is 
> only
> round  6 hz
>
> Re power .. I would say, the erp  is the most meaningful,  actual  power
> supplied to the antenna without the performance data of the array doesn't
> really mean too much ?
>
> G ..
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:11 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top part
>> of
>> the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a
>> 200Hz
>> slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
>> 503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.
>>
>> My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 503.550KHz
>> data.
>>
>> Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Gary - G4WGT
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
>> Sent: 25 January 2009 18:32
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move
>> to
>>
>> the band edge without problems
>> clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down
>>
>> With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a
>> reasonable
>> concept as it will allow other 'casual'
>> monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post
>> needed
>> to  announce a test !
>>
>> What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or 
>> just
>> sleeping ?
>>
>> G ..
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:04 PM
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
>>> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>>>
>>> Oh no!
>>>
>>> Please let's not get into this again....
>>>
>>> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
>>> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>>>
>>> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
>>> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
>>> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>>>
>>> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
>>> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
>>> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>>>
>>> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>>>
>>> John
>>> GM4SLV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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  Klaus
  Now qrv 136.8 khz de mal/g3kev

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    Hi Mal,
    try to be qrv from 21:00 z with my Ropex (136,52 kHz).
    Loc JN58 qb (nr Munich). Only CW - later in other modes.
    73=20
    DK1KH



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      Will  there be anyone active on 137 this evening CW or qrs3.
      Take advantage of the DX season.
      mal/g3kev

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nil hrd fm u&nbsp;at 2220utc just into the=20=
shack, u=20
have probably gone qrt</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">mal=
=20
  hamilton</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 22, 2009 10=
:07=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: 137</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Klaus</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now qrv 136.8 khz de mal/g3kev</FONT></DI=
V>
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    <DIV       style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: b=
lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3DKlaus.Hager.muenchen@t-online.de       href=3D"mailto:Klaus.H=
ager.muenchen@t-online.de">Klaus.Hager.muenchen@t-online.de</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 22, 2009=20=
8:55=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: 137</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Hi Mal,<BR>try to be=20=
qrv from=20
    21:00 z with my Ropex (136,52 kHz).<BR>Loc JN58 qb (nr Munich). Only CW=20=
-=20
    later in other modes.<BR>73&nbsp;<BR>DK1KH<BR><BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;</FONT>=20=
"mal=20
    hamilton" &lt;<A       href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@ta=
lktalk.net</A>&gt; schrieb:=20
    <BLOCKQUOTE       style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN=
-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Will&nbsp; there be anyone active on=20
      137&nbsp;this evening CW or qrs3.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Take advantage of the DX season.</FON=
T></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=3D"Courier New"       size=
=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><BR><BR>-- <BR>Klaus=20
    Hager<BR>Bergstr. 60 - D 82131 Gauting/M=FCnchen<BR>T: +49 89 89308625<B=
R>F=20
    (nach Voranmeldung): +49 89 89308626<BR>Mobil: +49 171 6247228<BR></FONT=
>
    <DIV></DIV>
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    <HR>

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Hi Gary,
I use the WSPR progr integrated in the WSJT7 version and drive it in QSO mod=
e,
means -auto is on- . so you have the chance to connect me.
But qso mode or not, you should be able to decode the signs as they are.

73
Uwe/dj8wx


Zitat von F4DTL@aol.com:

>
> Same problem here Uwe
>
> F4DTL JN18FP
>
> Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 09/01/2009 22:19:06 Paris, Madrid,
> g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk a =E9crit :
>
> Uwe,
>
> Which WSPR version are you using Beacon or QSO?
> I only  have Beacon version at the moment & no decodes here.
>
> 73
> Gary -  G4WGT.
>
>
>
>
>




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In a message dated 07/01/2009 17:00:47 GMT Standard Time,  
g3kevmal@talktalk.net writes:

This is  a simple exercise and NO ONE knows how to do it, plenty of comments 
and  deviations.
An analogy

1. Some HI TECH RAF pilots asked to fly a WW2  SPITFIRE and found it 
difficult and performed badly, needed training and  tuition.

2. Hi Performance students A + in their subjects could not  pass a 1960 GCE 
paper in maths and english.

These were recent UK TV  productions.

RF engineers and improvisers  are scarce it would  appear both old and new. 
Digital and DC are abundant.

Take away the  Internet source, Maplins and Farnell and the electronics world 
would  collapse.



----------
 
It obviously hasn't occured to you that it's probably not so  much that 
nobody knows but that nobody CARES.
 
In an effort to justify your moronic insistence that everyone should stick  
to CW, because that's all that interests YOU, you set some meaningless task 
that  proves nothing.
 
I don't hear too many people on the list telling you what you should be  
doing, but hear far too many of your biased opinions as to how others  should 
conduct themselves.
 
Would you please, just for a little while please, ever so  nicely please, 
just stick your head back up your rear orifice where it belongs,  so that all the 
crap you spout might be kept where the rest of  us can't hear it.

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hi Joe and all,
nil on the screen Joe,

henny cpm
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NEWS FLASH
The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF=20
CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts.
Hope some of you guys get your T2 license to run the station after=20
construction. As soon as the snow melts and temperatures rise a bit the=20
large vertical will be errected. My QTH can only be temporary so we=20
must find a permanent home ASAP.

73, Steve

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President NEHRS, Inc.

http://nehrs.net/default.aspx

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
  To: rsgb=20
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:15 AM
  Subject: LF: PROPAGATION WSPR


  On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation as sug=
gested by some. Two procedures are required with the mode. First it has to b=
e detected then analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. Mors=
e sent in the QRS mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot only re=
quires one procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a good indica=
tion of propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.

  I have pointed out recently that I have observed all of the traces from th=
ose transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been directly keyed in QRS mode an=
 ID or intellegence would have been conveyed, whereas only part of the time=20=
was the signals decoded in wspr. For those viewing the print format only and=
 getting no copy would never know whether the signall was being received or=20=
if it was faulty sampling and decoding.=20

  Cut out the second procedure of decoding, avoid ambiguity and use the slow=
 keyed carried method using morse code or murray code. A waterfall display a=
nd the EYE is a very sensitive detector,=20
  For those experimenting with data modes have fun but todate in the amateur=
 radio LF/MF context nothing yet has surpassed the use of slow morse keyed a=
t a speed to suit one's needs ie propagation studies or communication betwee=
n two stations.
  mal/g3kev

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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On&nbsp;LF &nbsp;I do not think wspr is t=
he=20
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  analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. Morse sent in the=20=
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  all of the traces from those transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been=20
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=20
  whereas only part of the time was the signals decoded in wspr. For those=20
  viewing the print format only and getting no copy would never know whether=
 the=20
  signall was being received or if it was&nbsp;faulty sampling and decoding.=
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ie=20
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USB to RS232 adapter work OK with a
transceiver RS232 hardware interface. My PC has only 1 RS232 port &amp;
no
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Gary<br>
Try to find an adapter that uses the "Prolific" chip-set. It supports
all RS232 commands<br>
These adapters are available from Hong-Kong (including shipment to the
US) for $5 (yes $5)<br>
Seems to be available for one British pound.<br>
See
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://cgi.ebay.com.my/USB-2-0-TO-RS232-COM-9-PINS-PORT-SERIAL-CONVERT-ADAPTER_W0QQitemZ180318214306QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL?hash=item180318214306">http://cgi.ebay.com.my/USB-2-0-TO-RS232-COM-9-PINS-PORT-SERIAL-CONVERT-ADAPTER_W0QQitemZ180318214306QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL?hash=item180318214306</a><br>
73<br>
Andr&eacute; N4ICK<br>
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Hello Warren, LF!
Only short window, but I saw two letters of call. =20

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Just received. Were it not for the fact that I don't like to leave
the PC switched on when I am away, I am sure I could continue to
receive Jim's transmission all night long

090109 0054   6 -23  1.2   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30  0     4    0
090109 0100  15 -16  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30  0     1    0

73  Alberto  I2PHD  in  JN45sl  (going now to bed...)






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Observed on a spectrum analysier, spreading well outside the band upper 
limit.

----- Original Message ----- 
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> OM
> Your transmission is outside the band limit, spreading to 504.6 khz.
> I can see why OFCOM are concerned about stricter control concerning data
> mode bandwidth.
> g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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>
>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>>
>> centre frequency  503 khz
>>
>> tx mode usb
>>
>> power 30 watts tune signal
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>> Will send for next few hours
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>> Reports welcome
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>> Graham
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Ok tnx ,
73 j-p

Andrey rn3agc a =E9crit :
> Hello Jean-Pierre,
>
>> What "O" on 137778.35 ???
>
> Dmitry RA3YO
>
>
> 73
> Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV
>
>
>

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Im going to set the SDR IQ on 136kHz tonight in case some activity, 136KHz d=
ial on WSPR  - however if Eu wants to fire up other visual modes can I respe=
ctively suggest you do it in the region:-
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136.307154 to 136.308999 kHz
=20
This is a 1.84Hz +-<huge> area (with a 0.1hz guard) that appears to be clear=
 globally of Loran lines. 136318 and 136319 are a little busy! At least then=
 any QRSS stable signal would be easy(ier) to detect - I do however commend=20=
DFCW, sloping or someform of other carrier deviated signal that makes ident=20=
easier for my old eyes.
=20
See http://kl1x.com/wwloran.gif
=20
Sunsetting here -10C
=20
Laurence BY3A/KL1X Tanggu China
_________________________________________________________________
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Im going to set the SDR IQ on 136kHz tonight in case some activity, 136KHz d=
ial on WSPR &nbsp;- however if Eu wants to fire up other visual modes can I=20=
respectively suggest you do it in the region:-<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
136.307154 to 136.308999&nbsp;kHz<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
This is a 1.84Hz +-&lt;huge&gt; area (with a 0.1hz guard) that appears to be=
 clear globally of Loran lines. 136318 and 136319 are a little busy! At leas=
t then any QRSS stable signal would be easy(ier) to detect - I do however co=
mmend DFCW, sloping or someform of other carrier deviated signal that makes=20=
ident easier for my old eyes.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
See <A href=3D"http://kl1x.com/wwloran.gif">http://kl1x.com/wwloran.gif</A><=
BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Sunsetting here -10C<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence BY3A/KL1X Tanggu China<BR><br /><hr />Windows Live=99: Keep your li=
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 Hi Gary,

The only problem I have come across is using it with the "dongle" for Radiocom 4 to control an Icom PCR 1000 Rx.
Otherwise there seem to be few problems. I don't think you will "break" anything if you try out.

73 de Pat G4GVW


 


 

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From: Lee Hudson <hudsonville@btinternet.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:05
Subject: LF: RE: RS232 adapter


















Hi 
Gary,


?


Should 
work.


?


My PC 
has zero RS-232 ports so I have to use them!


?


73,


Lee 
M0LMH.


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Sent: 09 January 2009 
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Subject: LF: RS232 
  adapter



  

  
Hi 
  All,

  
?

  
This may have 
  been asked before.

  
?

  
Will a USB to 
  RS232 adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware interface. My PC has 
  only 1 RS232 port & no empty PCI slots.

  
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73,

  
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  IO83QP.

  
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<div> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hi Gary,<br>
<br>
The only problem I have come across is using it with the "dongle" for Radiocom 4 to control an Icom PCR 1000 Rx.<br>
Otherwise there seem to be few problems. I don't think you will "break" anything if you try out.<br>
<br>
73 de Pat G4GVW<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
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Subject: LF: RE: RS232 adapter<br>
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<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Hi 
Gary,</font></span></div>


<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>


<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Should 
work.</font></span></div>


<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>


<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">My PC 
has zero RS-232 ports so I have to use them!</font></span></div>


<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>


<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">73,</font></span></div>


<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Lee 
M0LMH.</font></span></div>


<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>

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<div class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">Will a USB to 
  RS232 adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware interface. My PC has 
  only 1 RS232 port &amp; no empty PCI slots.</span></font></b></div>

  
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James Moritz wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
>
> The M0BMU WSPR beacon is now running on 503.5kHz again, hopefully 
> continuing overnight. Any reports would be very welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
Hi Jim, LF
 i  receive  your wspr signal (decoded, it is  also  automatically 
uploaded at wsprnet)
2226 -20  0.6   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2232 -17  0.8   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2236 -18  0.8   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
on my side it was a quick decision to try to see your signal when i saw 
your callsign (and qrg)  at the wsprnet
so nothing special here i.e. "1/2" of w3dzz antenna  +  some DSP 
filtering in my trx
anyway, the -17dB on my screen means that pretty soon you should get  
many many  reports from the other side of the lake.. :)
                    
                                                        yours, peter, sq7mpj
qth: lodz, poland/jo91rs/




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J. B. Weazle McCreath wrote:
> Hi John, LFers,
> 
> What is the 2187.5 kHz. MF-DSC that you mentioned in your
> reply to the query about the grabbers?


Hello JB,

Not really on topic for LF, but....

DSC is "Digital Selective Calling" - a part of the maritime safety
system GMDSS. It allows individual stations/ships etc to be called for
routine traffic and for distress/mayday calls to be sent.

There are (in general) 2 forms - MF and VHF (although the "MF" variety
is also used on the HF bands).

There is software available to decode the transmissions, the most
popular of which is "DSC Decoder" available at :

http://www.coaa.co.uk/dscdecoder.htm

2187.5kHz is the international DSC distress watch channel. To receive
traffic it's necessary to tune in USB mode to 1.7kHz below this freq -
so the resolved tones are centred on 1700Hz (ie tune to 2185.8kHz) - and
also necessary to (if using DSC Decoder) to select "Invert tones" in the
setup for the MF/HF modem. I find the "Use alternative HF modem" option
also increases the sensitivity of the demod/decoder.

It's interesting to observe where in the world one receives signals on
2MHz - I often see Shanghai coast station, as well as several other
remote Coast Guard places, in the US and Canada.

Hope this at least points you in the right direction. There's plenty of
info on the web about GMDSS and DSC - one thing to bear in mind is that
all vessels and Coast Statios have an identifier called an MMSI - and
the messages decoded always bear the MMSI of the caller and called
station. The software will convert Coast Station MMSIs to names
automatically, and if you right click on a ship's MMSI it will perform a
lookup at the ITU website and translate the MMSI to the vessel's
name/callsign (if it's listed in the ITU database). Over time this
builds up a local file (shipid.txt) that is used by the software to
translate MMSI - Name automatically.

That's probably enough to get you started if you are intersted, but
again, it's not really an amateur LF/MF topic. The NDB hunters are
probably the ones most au fait with listening and hunting for this type
of traffic.

Just shows how multifaceted this hobby is... too many topics, too little
time (and equipment)

John
GM4SLV


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Hallo Chris,

=20

just now I read your sad message about reducing your CW-activities on 500 kc=
.

Because this band is unfortunately still not released for German radio amate=
urs, I am often listening for stations in CW- and QRSS - Mode, and I am alwa=
ys happy to hear someone on this very interesting frequency.

Also it should be taken into consideration, that not all OM=E2=80=99s are fa=
miliar with the new Digital Modes on this experimental band.

So I would be very happy if there would operate some OM=E2=80=99s still in t=
he =E2=80=9Ctraditional modes=E2=80=9D.

Last but not least only these modes are allowing crossband.QSO=E2=80=99s whi=
ch are making our hobby somewhat more interesting.

=20

vy 73 de Gerhard  /  DK6NI

=20

=20

=20

=20

=20

  _____ =20

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org] Im Auftrag von Chris Osborn
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Januar 2009 10:02
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: 500 kHz - Silent majority

=20

I deduce that my (fairly) frequent transmissions on MF may be causing

some annoyance and inconvenience to local stations.

=20

Consequently I shall be QRT on 500 kHz for the remainder of this month.

This will give local stations an opportunity to use a quiet band without

G3XIZ QRM.

=20

I must report that sadly Adrian G4GDR has dismantled his MF equipment

and returned his N.O.V. to OfCom.

He was an active and keen MF operator and constructor but has lost interest=20=
due

to lack of activity.

I for one will miss him.

=20

73 Chris G3XIZ

=20


=20

=20

  _____ =20

From: Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 5 January, 2009 22:22:55
Subject: RE: LF: Re: Silent majority

=EF=BB=BF=20

Dear LF,=20

=20

Geri DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 137 kHz=
 a few years back.=20

=20

Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler too ;-)

=20

Follow the link below:-=20

=20

http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html

=20

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

 <http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html> =20

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep..org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org]On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 05 January 2009 02:37
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep..org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Silent majority


Hi LF=20

Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experimentation=20=
of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off the Int=
ernet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a 1000 w=
ords. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the world=
 by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.  The result may be a bit more intere=
sting than the shopping lists of stations worked, equipment lists and rig sp=
ecifications that get churned out ad nauseam over the weekends.=20

I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op friends wo=
uld feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.=20

No, the above suggestion is ridiculous. It does however, Einstein, Planck et=
 al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum bandwidth for=
 the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band?  I will start=20=
the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed with less=20=
than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then hand shaki=
ng could be introduced to ensure error free data transfer a bit like X25 slo=
w but sure yet confined in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max.  We need t=
o think outside the box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable modes onto 600m.=
 To evoke names like Planck and co with all due respect to Alberto (who I ad=
mire immensely for his great innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT processing softw=
are) I think,  is over the top. Nobody is into book burning and denial of sp=
ectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play with here in the UK=
.  I consider myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operator not a highflying=20=
=E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D radio spectrum quantum mechanic, but I would hope=
 we are trying to do more with less and I don=E2=80=99t think Olivia is the=20=
answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I would expect one of the=
 cardinal points in their specification, along with very narrow BW, to be co=
mpatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the effect on adjacent stations=20=
not running that particular mode.=20

In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming there a=
re any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narrow ban=
d data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.=20

Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground.=20

Vy 73 petefmt=20



--- On Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:

From: Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
Subject: LF: Re: Silent majority
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM

Steve McDonald wrote:
>> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
>> taken place on MF.
>=20
> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
> Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
> wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
> What an amazing gift.
>=20
> VE7SL / Steve
=20
This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:
=20
=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science.... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.
=20
The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...
=20
73  Alberto  I2PHD
=20
=20
=20
=20

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educing your CW-activities
on 500 kc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-right:149.25pt;line-height:14.4pt;backg=
round:  white'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB=20=
style=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Because this band=
 is unfortunately still
not released for German radio amateurs, I am often listening for stations in
CW- and QRSS - Mode, and I am always happy to hear someone on this very inte=
resting
frequency.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-right:149.25pt'><font size=3D2 color=
=3Dnavy  face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:Arial;  color:navy'>Also it should be taken into consideration, that not=20=
all <st1:place  w:st=3D"on">OM</st1:place>=E2=80=99s are familiar with the n=
ew Digital Modes on this
experimental band.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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ly:Arial;  color:navy'>So I would be very happy if there would operate some=20=
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tional modes=E2=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-right:149.25pt'><font size=3D2 color=
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which are making our hobby somewhat more interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></fon=
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N-GB  style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New Roman"><s=
pan  lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font>=
<span  lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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=3D3  face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;  font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font=20=
size=3D2  face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or=
g] <b><span  style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Chris Osbo=
rn<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Donnerstag, 8. Janu=
ar
2009 10:02<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> LF: 500 kHz - Silent
majority</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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font-size:  12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>I deduce that my (fairly) frequent transmissions on MF m=
ay be causing<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>some annoyance and inconvenience to local stations.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>Consequently I shall be QRT on 500 kHz for the remainder=
 of this month.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>This will give local stations an opportunity to use&nbsp=
;a quiet band
without<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>G3XIZ QRM.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>I must report that sadly Adrian G4GDR has dismantled his=
 MF equipment<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>and&nbsp;returned his N.O.V.&nbsp;to OfCom.<o:p></o:p></=
span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>He was an active and keen MF operator and constructor bu=
t has lost
interest due<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>to lack of activity.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>I for one will miss him.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>73 Chris G3XIZ<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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font-size:  12.0pt'><br>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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=3D2  face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;  font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font=
 size=3D2  face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'=
> Dave G3WCB
&lt;ganymede444@btopenworld.com&gt;<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, 5 January, 2009
22:22:55<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: LF: Re: Silent
majority<br>
</span></font><br>
=EF=BB=BF <o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Dear LF, </span></font>=
<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Geri DK8KW and Markus d=
id some interesting
slow-voice experiments on 137 kHz a few years back. </span></font><o:p></o:p=
></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Definitely not a DX-mod=
e, and a bit of a
bandwidth-gobbler too&nbsp;;-)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Follow the link below:-=
 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span=
></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><a href=3D"http://www.q=
ru.de/slowvoice.html"  target=3D"_blank">http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html</a=
><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM</=
span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><a href=3D"http://www.q=
ru.de/slowvoice.html"  target=3D"_blank"></a></span></font>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>=
</p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DTa=
homa><span  style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Mess=
age-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep..org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o=
rg]<b><span  style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>M0FMT<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 05 January 2009 02:37<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: LF: Re: Silent
majority</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0>
 <tr>
  <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=
=3DCalibri><span    style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Hi LF</sp=
an></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=
=3DCalibri><span    style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Since by=20=
general consent the
  600m band is now wide open for experimentation of whatever computer aided
  mode that can be down loaded for free off the Internet. Might I suggest th=
e
  use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a 1000 words. I have thousands of=
 holiday
  snaps I would like to share with the world by way of a 24/7 beaconing
  experiment.&nbsp; The result may be a bit more interesting than the shoppi=
ng
  lists of stations worked, equipment lists and rig specifications that get
  churned out </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span=20=
   style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>ad nauseam</span=
></font><font    face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-family:Calibri'> over th=
e weekends.</span></font>
  <o:p></o:p></p>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=
=3DCalibri><span    style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>I am not=20=
sure what my afore
  mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op friends would feel being only a few
  miles away from my QTH.</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><u><font size=3D3 face=
=3DCalibri><span    style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>No, the a=
bove suggestion is
  ridiculous.</span></font></u><font face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-fami=
ly:    Calibri'> It does however, Einstein, Planck et al withstanding, beg t=
he
  question; what is a suitable maximum bandwidth for the development of new
  modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band? &nbsp;I will start the ball rolling=20=
by
  saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed with less than 32c/s BW. Sin=
ce
  there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then hand shaking could be introdu=
ced
  to ensure error free data transfer a bit like X25 slow but sure yet confin=
ed
  in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max. &nbsp;We need to think outside t=
he
  box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable modes onto 600m. To evoke names li=
ke
  Planck and co with all due respect to Alberto (who I admire immensely for=20=
his
  great innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT processing software) I think, &nbsp;i=
s
  over the top. Nobody is into book burning and denial of spectrum to impede
  progress but we only have 3kc/s to play with here in the UK. &nbsp;I consi=
der
  myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operator not a highflying =E2=80=9CEinste=
in=E2=80=9D radio spectrum quantum
  mechanic, but I would hope we are trying to do more with less and I don=
=E2=80=99t
  think Olivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I
  would expect one of the cardinal points in their specification, along with
  very narrow BW, to be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the
  effect on adjacent stations not running that particular mode.</span></font=
> <o:p></o:p></p>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=
=3DCalibri><span    style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>In the me=
an time I am hoping to
  improve my manual CW skills assuming there are any stations still interest=
ed
  in that form of error correcting narrow band data transfer and are still
  prepared to QSO with me.</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=
=3DCalibri><span    style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Now retre=
ating into my cave with
  my knuckles dragging along the ground.</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=
=3DCalibri><span    style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Vy 73 pet=
efmt</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span    styl=
e=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>
  <br>
  --- On <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <i=
><span    style=3D'font-style:italic'>&lt;dibene@usa.net&gt;</span></i></spa=
n></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3    face=
=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>From: Alberto di Bene
  &lt;dibene@usa.net&gt;<br>
  Subject: LF: Re: Silent majority<br>
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
  Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  <pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>=
Steve McDonald wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 f=
ace=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&gt; There is virtu=
ally nothing new to discover or invent that has not<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt'>already<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"=
Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&gt; taken place on MF.<o:=
p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font=20=
   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; There=
 you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as<o:p></=
o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; Mal has proclaimed that there is &quot;nothing=
 new to discover&quot;.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2=
 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Wouldn't it be<o:p></=
o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; wonderful if we could all see the future as cl=
early as he apparently does.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    siz=
e=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; What an ama=
zing gift.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Cour=
ier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></font></pr=
e><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0p=
t'>&gt; VE7SL / Steve<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 f=
ace=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:10.0pt'>This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of=
 past century.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"=
Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>At the turn of the 20th centur=
y scientists were absolutely certain that there<o:p></o:p></span></font></pr=
e><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0p=
t'>was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:10.0pt'>Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at=
 that time, wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=
=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:10.0pt'>=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] an=
d sought advice from<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 fa=
ce=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>my venerable teacher Phi=
llipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a<o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt'>highly developed almost fully matured science.... Possibly in one or a=
nother<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier=20=
New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>nook there would perhaps be a dust par=
ticle or a small bubble to be examined<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><f=
ont    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>and cl=
assified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and<o:p></o:=
p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of=
 perfection which,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=
=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>for example, geometry has=20=
had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font=
    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>The history of physics during the 20th century=20=
did show how dumb was that<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=
=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>point of view...<=
o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><fo=
nt    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>73=C2=
=A0 Alberto=C2=A0 I2PHD<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2=
 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2=
 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre></td>
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:29:18 -0000
"Lee Hudson" <hudsonville@btinternet.com> wrote:

> 
> Well to be honest I'm most surprised with the reports from GM4SLV @
> 700miles.
> Thanks for tuning down for a listen, John.
> 

Hello Lee, LF

I was glad to see your signal on the brief trip down to 502.4 and I've
no doubt had I stayed longer on frequency I'd have received more from
you and at higher S/N ratios. 

I see from the database that the last reception report was at 03:48
from DF6NM. I've retuned now, at 07:30, to 501.4 to see if there's still
some activity as daylight breaks. Only Jim seemingly.

Well done for a first night - it's interesting to note that I'm further
away from you than DF6NM... The UK is a bigger place than most people
realise - and Shetland is quite far away!

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV


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Subject: LF: [500] : Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
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Graham,

Copied this just now. MultiPSK Olivia 8-250 mode

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England

 CQ CQ CQ DE...gnbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kk



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
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Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING
NOW - 1615 HRS


Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in parallel
it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running on
the same pc in beacon mode

8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference signal
and is not expected to  print as reliably

All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.

Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised

Running  3 mode beacon

Dial set   502 khz usb

1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz

1250 hz   psk31

1500 hz  MFSK  8

Reports  welcome

Graham

G0NBD

Io83LK





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look mum, so many WSJT spotters. And this one from 'across the pond' ;-)

 2009-01-25 21:14    M0BMU       0.503499    -26     0       IO91vr      +30  
 1.000       AA1A    FN42pb      5248    3261 


73,
  Wolf .




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Dear LF enthusiasts and Andy,

KU4XR wrote 03.01.2009, 23:22 MSK(GMT+3h):

AK> I'm warming up all the gear to see if I can copy ED, RU6LA tonite
AK> on 2200 meters. Does anyone know what his possible ERP will be in
AK> this direction ??

TNX for the efforts!

My TX setup:
Big vertical on the 135m high tower - ~ 60...70m  H eff
valves PA - 80...120W Output
Iant (current) in ant 2..3A

P(ERP)=3D0.00033 * A^2  (for 137KHz, by RA9MB)
A=3DI ant*H eff, I ant in A, H eff in m
P=3D~ 5...15 W ERP

Some details look on http://136.73.ru/ed/index.htm
PA (new now) is connected directly to the electric system (without
transformer) and compact

73! Ed RU6LA   136.73.ru


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I'm packing in for now - need to go and cook some dinner.  Bought a
lot of spices and other ingredients for Indian cooking yesterday, some
of which won't keep for long so must go and use them up.

Hope to get back to Tx'ing in the week sometime.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/18 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
>
> Andy, Jim et al,
>
> Just retuned to 502kHz to see if I can copy any WSPR from you Andy,
>
> Also the grabber at
>
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg
>
> now will show the band 502.3 - 504
>
> Just seen some PSK at 503kHz (17:12) although didn't get a chance to
> try decoding it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> GM4SLV
> Shetland
>
>
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:01:01 -0000
> "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Andy,
>>
>> Copied your WSPR test just now. Reported frequency was 0.503500, so
>> no problem there.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>>
>
>


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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:28:19 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> John, LF,
> 
> I note that Jim's WSPR is showing 4 locator characters on my WSPR
> list but 6 on the spots page.
> 
> Gary - G4WGT.
> 

Hello Gary, LF

WSPR itself only transmits the 4-figures (eg IO90) but if you enter all
6 in the options dialogue of the software (along with your correct
callsign, NOT K1JT - hi!)  then any spots you report to WSPRnet will be
tagged with your 6-figure locator (as a receiving station). Furthermore
it appears that the database at WSPRnet is clever enough to apply that
6-figure locator to any spots others make of your own transmissions....

If you notice Andy's reports all show him simply as "IO90" - when most
other people are 6-figure accurate. I can only assume it's because he's
never sent a spot to the database as a RX station, with his accurate
6-figure locator attached. If he did so then all later reports of HIS
signal would be 6-figure accurate too, due to the database cleverness.

Not really a problem, but it aids accurate distance calculation.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV


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Hi Mal,
try to be qrv from 21:00 z with my Ropex (136,52 kHz).
Loc JN58 qb (nr Munich). Only CW - later in other modes.
73 
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  "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> schrieb: 
Will  there be anyone active on 137 this evening CW or qrs3.
Take advantage of the DX season.
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Hello Victor,

no tx ant at the moment,just an active whip for rx,

73 gl

Victor pa3fny

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens ua3pw
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Good evening dear Victor !
Many thanks , i hope to see you on 137 khz .
All the best to you and good luck !

Victor ua3pw.






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me too.

M0FMT wrote:

> Hi Doc and LF
> =20
> I am with you on points 1/2/3/5/6/7 and 8.
> Nice one but don't leave us.
> =20
> 73 petefmt
>
> --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Dr. Tom Gruis <donnatom@netins.net> wrote:
>
>     From: Dr. Tom Gruis <donnatom@netins.net>
>     Subject: RE: LF: Razor blade RX
>     To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>     Cc: "Tom Gruis" <donnatom@netins.net>
>     Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:33 PM
>
>Items:
>
>1. I thought this was a list for people interested in radio and LF/VLF, etc=
.
>specifically.
>
>2.  I very rarely have posted although I read the list regularly and have
>been trying to learn. In this case I felt I had a viable contribution. I am
>sorry that you disagree. This has been just a little thread for a few days
>but does capture the interests of a few of us.
>
>3. I respect the members of this list for their individual skills and
>talents and respect their ideas.
>
>4. I have sent messages three or four times asking to be removed from this
>list. Would someone please help me do that? If no one does I will just mark
>these e-mail as junk mail and be done with it.
>
>5. As per an earlier posting today, USE YOUR DELETE KEY!
>
>6. I pity the lack of courtesy of the part of a FEW on this list. Mal makes
>good points and observations but so do his detractors ABOUT RADIO! The
>personal attacks are silly at best.
>
>7. There are most likely just a few of us sharing this interest and things
>should be more civil.
>
>8. My supply of the dorsal portions of the specified rodents is nil.
>Therefore, I can no longer offer any.
>
>9. Please get me out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>TNX es 73,
>
>Dr. Tom Gruis
>___________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve McDonald
>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 17:15
>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
>
>Can we not put an end to this nonsense? Who gives a rat's ass about razor
>blade radios?
>
>VE7SL
>
>
>
>         =20
>
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me too.<br>
<br>
M0FMT wrote:
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        <div>Hi Doc and LF</div>
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        <div>I am with you on points 1/2/3/5/6/7 and 8.</div>
        <div>Nice one but don't leave us.</div>
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        <div>73 petefmt<br>
        <br>
--- On <b>Wed, 7/1/09, Dr. Tom Gruis <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:donnatom@netins.net">&lt;donnatom@netins.net&gt;</a></i></b>
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Subject: RE: LF: Razor blade RX<br>
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Cc: "Tom Gruis" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:donnatom@netins.net">&lt;donnatom@netins.net&gt;</a><br>
Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:33 PM<br>
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          <pre>Items:

1. I thought this was a list for people interested in radio and LF/VLF, etc.
specifically.

2.  I very rarely have posted although I read the list regularly and have
been trying to learn. In this case I felt I had a viable contribution. I am
sorry that you disagree. This has been just a little thread for a few days
but does capture the interests of a few of us.

3. I respect the members of this list for their individual skills and
talents and respect their ideas.

4. I have sent messages three or four times asking to be removed from this
list. Would someone please help me do that? If no one does I will just mark
these e-mail as junk mail and be done with it.

5. As per an earlier posting today, USE YOUR DELETE KEY!

6. I pity the lack of courtesy of the part of a FEW on this list. Mal makes
good points and observations but so do his detractors ABOUT RADIO! The
personal attacks are silly at best.

7. There are most likely just a few of us sharing this interest and things
should be more civil.

8. My supply of the dorsal portions of the specified rodents is nil.
Therefore, I can no longer offer any.

9. Please get me out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TNX es 73,

Dr. Tom Gruis
___________________________________________________________________________


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Can we not put an end to this nonsense? Who gives a rat's ass about razor
blade radios?

VE7SL



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Ill have the China Grabber running my night time in the area of 137.777 dot=20=
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<BR>Ill have the China Grabber running my night time in the area of 137.777=20=
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My darkness period is now at 0847Z, till 2325Z. Though with this smog it mig=
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Thanks Warren - may your repairs be swift and painless!
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Gary - G4WGT wrote:

> I can get John's grabber at :-
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/grabber2.htm
> or
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg
> 
> But at the moment but it appears to be off line.
>
Hello Rik, Gary et al,

My 500kHz grabber is, in general, offline at the moment. Occasionally I
run a temporary setup, as when Paul-Henrik was testing on 136 recently,
using my IC-R75 - which is my main "user" receiver and can't be
dedicated as a grabber RX. I am running out of receivers and PCs to be
able run 24/7 monitoring of everything I'm interested in, so things
change occasionally as the fancy takes me.

Currently I'm set as follows:

RX / Ant / PC number / Use
URL for received data



AR7030  / ALA1530 / PC#1 / 5MHz Beacons
http://g4irx.nowindows.net/fivemegs/comparison.php

IC-718 / HF wire / PC#2 / 2187.5kHz MF-DSC
http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/currentmessages.txt

IC-R75 / MF vertical / PC#3 / 500 or 136 WSPR OR 518 NAVTEX
http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190
or
http://www.frisnit.com/cgi-bin/navtex/view.cgi - look for the GM4SLV link...


Homebrew phasing RX ALA1530     2182kHz speaker monitoring


Occasionally I'll retune the IC-R75 to either 500 or 137 and run the
grabber, but this is on an "as needed" basis.

If anyone has a desire for remote grabber then let me know and I'll set
it up for the period of your tests.

Cheers,

John



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Dear LF Group,

Screen shot from earlier this evening around 1900utc showing RA3YO and 
UA4WPF at good strength, with an audible DFCW signal from DF6NM.

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Hello LF!
OK, Roman, thanks for information about lines. I have got similar info from=20=
Markus, DF6NM, as well (Russian Loran GRI 8000). As you can see, I captured=20=
this lines this night again. On the picture are also lines from LORAN-C Less=
ay (GRI 6731) on 137.773.0 and 137.780.4

73 and GL!

Lubos

****************************


=20
> From: rw3adb@rambler.ru
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:20:25 +0300
> Subject: Re: LF: Unknown lines
>=20
> ZDR Lubomir & LF!
>=20
> The 775 line- is a russian Chaika.
> When we copy 775 in Moscow the good prop from east russia still present=20
> as usual.
> The 781 line was looked by RA3YO some time. We are don't know what is=20
> that.
>=20
>=20
> * Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com> [Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:26:57 +0100]:
> >
> > Hello LF!
> > Does anybody know something about lines on the picture? They appear
> > every day after sunset and disappear with sunrise. They are very=20
> stable
> > and on the accurate frequency. I know lines from Loran-C, but these
> > lines are another else, I think.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Pozvi sv&#233; p&#345;&#225;tele z Facebooku a Hotmailu do Messengeru!
> > https://www.invite2messenger.net/Default.aspx
> >
> > * "Unknown_lines.JPG"
> --
> Roman RW3ADB.
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Hello LF!<br>OK, Roman, thanks for information about lines. I have got simil=
ar info from Markus, DF6NM, as well (Russian Loran GRI 8000). As you can see=
, I captured this lines this night again. On the picture are also lines from=
 LORAN-C Lessay (GRI 6731) on 137.773.0 and 137.780.4<br><br>73 and GL!<br><=
br>Lubos<br><br>****************************<br><br><br>&nbsp;<br>&gt; From:=
 rw3adb@rambler.ru<br>&gt; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>&gt; Date: Su=
n, 18 Jan 2009 00:20:25 +0300<br>&gt; Subject: Re: LF: Unknown lines<br>&gt;=
 <br>&gt; ZDR Lubomir &amp; LF!<br>&gt; <br>&gt; The 775 line- is a russian=20=
Chaika.<br>&gt; When we copy 775 in Moscow the good prop from east russia st=
ill present <br>&gt; as usual.<br>&gt; The 781 line was looked by RA3YO some=
 time. We are don't know what is <br>&gt; that.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; *=20=
Lubos OK2BVG &lt;bvgbob@hotmail.com&gt; [Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:26:57 +0100]:<b=
r>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Hello LF!<br>&gt; &gt; Does anybody know something=20=
about lines on the picture? They appear<br>&gt; &gt; every day after sunset=20=
and disappear with sunrise. They are very <br>&gt; stable<br>&gt; &gt; and o=
n the accurate frequency. I know lines from Loran-C, but these<br>&gt; &gt;=20=
lines are another else, I think.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Thanks!<br>&gt; &=
gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; ___________=
______________________________________________________<br>&gt; &gt; Pozvi sv=
&amp;#233; p&amp;#345;&amp;#225;tele z Facebooku a Hotmailu do Messengeru!<b=
r>&gt; &gt; https://www.invite2messenger.net/Default.aspx<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&g=
t; &gt; * "Unknown_lines.JPG"<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; Roman RW3ADB.<br>&gt; <br><=
br /><hr />St=E1hn=ECte si zcela nov=FD Messenger 2009! <a href=3D'http://do=
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Hello,

who is in DFCW around 136.307 - 136.308?
I see DF6NM vy strong at .309, and RA3YO with a weak signal and QSB 
at 136311.2 - 136311.3 Hz.

RA3YO uses long intervals between dots... a very long message!

Then, I have a steady carrier with QSB at 136.310 - local or DX?

73 - Marco IK1ODO



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Klaus von der Heide wrote:

>Dear LF Group,
>.......
>
>Nevertheless, WSPR is not very near to the Shannon limit. 
>I spent nearly all my leisure time of the last year with 
>the design of a new digital ham radio QSO-mode HD43 that 
>comes as close as possible to the theoretical limit. 
>I will send a preprint on request.
>
>73 de Klaus, DJ5HG 
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Dear Klaus,
then i would appreciate receiving your paper  upon this hd43 mode.
In fact  some of my free time (not much of it, unfortunately) is used 
to  'play'  with
some variations of digi modes - as a part of my scientific job(quantum 
chemistry)
i do fortran programming so i took  old  jt44  mode of wsjt  i.e.  its 
fortran source and
using it as a starting basis i do some 'modifications'  for my own fun ...
btw, does  the "43" abbreviation  stand for the PUA43 system  of W7PUA
 which was  used in FSK441 protocol?
                                                                                      

                                                                           
73, peter, sq7mpj
qth: lodz, poland /jo91rs/




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Dear Lee, Graham, LF Group,

I did some experiments at M0LMH's suggestion (see below)... I think this is 
what he meant. Perhaps the results are also of interest to  people in the 
Group who have experience of writing DSP software for the PC.

The top trace in the attachment has the same WSPR beacon message as last 
night with normal windows clock settings.

The middle trace shows the effect of retarding the windows clock by roughly 
one minute, while transmitting. The current sequence continues until its 
normal ending, but when the even minute occurs on the re-set clock, a new 
sequence begins as well, so for a while there are two overlapping frames. 
After that, frames are generated normally, according to the RTC timing. At 
the moment you make the clock adjustment, the time display in WSPR stops 
incrementing until the windows clock has "caught up", when it starts 
incrementing again normally.

When the clock is advanced by one minute roughly (lower trace), the current 
frame continues and terminates normally. There is then a gap until the next 
even minute of about 1 minute, when the next frame is generated according to 
the RTC time setting.

I suppose this shows that transmission of a frame is initiated by the real 
time clock reaching an even minute, but once started, the generation and 
timing of the bits in the frame is independent of the RTC, although it does 
not tell us how that timing is achieved. Also, the fact that the time 
display in WSPR stops when you retard the clock, and that a new frame can be 
started in the middle of an existing frame, would seem to show WSPR is 
continuously looking at the RTC data.

The really funny thing is that two frames can be occuring at the same time. 
That would seem to suggest that more than one instance of the tone 
generation algorithm is in existence at once! Curious, but perhaps not 
connected to the problem in hand...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lee Hudson" <hudsonville@btinternet.com>
To: "'James Moritz'" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>; "'Graham'" 
<g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:18 PM
Subject: WSPR Timing issue


Hi Jim, Graham,

I've been having more thoughts on Grahams timing issue, and there are a few
possibilities.

Firstly assuming Graham has been receiving reports that he is on his
frequency from trusted sources then we can rule out sample rate error.
The crystal on the sound card would have to be a long way out to cause such
a problem.
I believe Graham tried two different sound cards with no change.

The second possibility is the the RTC on his PC is fast, again looking at
the reports from last night there does seem to be some drift but definately
not enough do be worried over.
And also I'm sure the time of transmission start was the same from the even
minute epoch.

This leaves a third posibility I think from recalling PC architecture and
that there is a Timer chip, this from memory is clocked from a separate
crystal to the RTC and certainly remote from the sound card. Some PCs use
this crystal also for producing the multiplied up CPU clocks etc.

Point being here is that the Timer is what dictates any functions requiring
sub second interval timing, and is used by windows for task switching etc.

It all boils down to how the WSPR software derrives its timing to decide
when the transition of a bit occurs.
I looked carefully at Jim comparision image, to first check if a bit had
actually been dropped somewhere, and I can't see one.

If I had written the software I would have used the RTC time to decide when
to start the transmission.
Then I would have used the sample rate as the main source of timing from
that point on until the end, even if compensating for a sample rate error.

In my opinion I think the RTC is used to start the transmission, and no real
error here.
The frequency of transmission I'm assuming is also correct, and no real
error from the sound card side.

However if the timing mechanism used to decide when a bit is over and shift
frequency is related to the Timer, this is where the issue may really lie.
Especially if this is how the software is written.
Using Windows Timers can yeild incremental timing issues too, and this may
be a manifestation also.

One final thought that crossed my mind, is that Graham my be using a GPS
signal to keep his PC RTC updated or possibly an NTP server.
>From reading deep and dark Microsoft helpfiles this does also affect how
windows maintains it's internal time derived from the Timer, this it keeps
separate from the RTC, but occasionally makes an alignment change.

If this is the case and Graham is updating his Clock say every second from a
GPS, then this could be enough to cause the incremental error.
Simple test here would be to disconnect any external time influence and see
if things improove.

My gut feeling here is that it is really a software issue, and not related
to the hardware as such.
Some may be caused by Windows itself not being overly well designed for
timing purposes.
Second the WSPR software not using the most reliable method for timing
things.

It could be worth another test for Jim to see what happens when you locally
generate a signal and then wind the clock forward say 1 minute.
Record one test normally, then anothor test with the time step introduced.
Does the data output as before and complete a full 2 minute cycle
Or does it truncate the data period skipped and finish on scheduled time
according to the clock.
Or does it truncate the data at the end.
This will give some clue as to how the data bits themselves are timed.
Be intresting also to time step backwards too!!

Cheers,
Lee.


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I registerd with WSPRnet and it is showing me as a user. Have just uploaded
the first spot.
It still gives my loc. as IO90 and not IO90IV
What's it got wrong.

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<div>I registerd with WSPRnet and it is showing me as a user. Have just uploaded the first spot.</div>
<div>It still gives my loc. as IO90 and not IO90IV</div>
<div>What&#39;s it got wrong.</div>
<div><br clear="all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href="http://www.g4jnt.com">www.g4jnt.com</a><br></div>

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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
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Andy,

Are you looking at the same level of demodulation  for olivia and  mfsk ?

If so  that's a useful outcome as I know some stations are in the process of=
=20
making tx transverters, but don't have linear power amps.. in which case,=20
mfsk  may offer an  advantage over 2 tone rtt ?

Tnx- G ..


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From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -=20
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
> throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
> important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
> particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
> getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
> but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
> poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.
>
> So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
> over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
> fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
> much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
> QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
>> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
>> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot"=20
>> <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>
>>
>>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>>
>>> OLIVIA :
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>>> gnbd
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>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nb=
d
>>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>>
>>>
>>> MFSK8
>>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  =D9*BwkiroN9 -in=F0?Sd=DB4=BFhIa lr
>>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog  rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez;  uETqioB Vae   n Ct W
>>> amSdeMe=D4dYbV*=C5=AD  ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq =BCeeawi=20=
i
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>>> a I=A4narLx=FDikc igq'<anel6
>>> rmmz e rke wxe=FBhC vo)o=B7dad=AA=8Begseey(v e vt sce\ wVsccon  t"tciu
>>> tt=A3h,iFtI=BCv lre=A6eek=FAn =80i z=E0=C2UP nve =BD=F9I t$   : nNe t  l=
ro&"t l=D6
>>> e=B7=F7RenuIoqemfep ,=A4esss=ADfer tt=EA oequea8  =A4d=A7]xaV=B0N~u=C7 p=
Abd  g0nbd
>>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =ADiefo&
>>> kD kk e e0enm o=A7 HbecOgh=C9o  eno fsewtit,es m=CCx=AAoitn 'Xei eaer=
=FEii
>>> lscktleea it=A5 nd=B7WmoEi=ADxirwn mdW=E3=A6 7euc eg%oa loPttst   CQ CQ=20=
CQ
>>> DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk rBt=F28e=E6 t=B6=ADknmm)mL   io 4=
Eek a
>>> oiiqa  o zt eoun cKldd=F98 =B0o9aZnz=E5ee  1  =B9tlTtii0q=3Di ielsaa nu=20=
0 mPn=FA=FFK
>>> =B3S=A2 iwX=E4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=E2pg H Jant0n9=A8j=B7eoet n
>>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=F4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>>> a=B1 rotet a=DC Foe2_vl=A7ms=ED t=CCk  t=3D l=C5 edCQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd =20=
g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =AB=F2ee
>>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>>
>>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>
>>
>>
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:39:59 -0000
"Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Thanks John,
> 
> looks like that signal would print rtty !
> 

Yes. I think it might do, we should try one night.

> wspr looks to  be ok at the moment .. only +1 hz

Don't believe my freq calibration - the R75 doesn't have the high stab
osc, and its internal master osc hasn't been tweaked - although it
seems pretty consistent with the other spots.


I've just tuned down to look for GW4HXO on 501.5 testing a new TX. The
grabber has moved to 501-502 kHz. His CW is RST 539 in SSB
mode/bandwidth!

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Hi all,
captures of xgj and wpf,

73

Victor

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Hi John,

I'm certainly pleased to read that! Thanks a lot.

73, Markus 

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From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz


 Hello Markus,
 
 1st decode
 
 2314    -23dB
 
 WSPRnet spot page gives QRB as 1444km!
 
 Cheers!
 
 John
GM4SLV
IP90gg



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Good evening, Mal,
tnx fer report. Now QRO 1.5W ERP fer Dave, AA1A.  He sent me a screenshot wi=
th traces of my QRP-signal 2 days ago. Hopefully he can catch more this nigh=
t.=20
73   Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF


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  Walter guten tag
  No problem to copi ur signal vy strong here with my antenna system.
  73 gl de mal/g3kev

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    Here is the weak signal for Mal. DI2AG on 505.090 beaconing.
    73   Walter  DI2AG / DJ2LF



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>tnx fer report. Now QRO 1.5W ERP fer Dave,=20=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Walter guten tag</FONT></DIV>
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Not at this turn but soon I'll have a dedicated 500KHz air core loop + tube 
pre-amp + Kachina 505DSP with 200Hz brickwall filter + WSPR enabled PC (GPS 
time locked).

I will left this instalation running 24 X 7 so. The reporter Callsign will 
be PY3CRX (at GG66Rf).

Who knows ...

Regards;

Marcus
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S. B. do Campo - S. Paulo - Brazil
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All that is needed in Beacon mode is CALLSIGN all the rest that some send is=
 only wasting time for a quick ID for tuning procedures.
I am testing signal reception tonite but find it vy time consuming waiting f=
or a call ID so I do not bother,  back to 160 m for some DX
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It seems everyone is MISSING THE POINT. I want someone to describe how to ma=
ke  RX using a RAZOR blade detector and also how to make the HEADPHONE neede=
d to hear the signal, using the sort of components a soldier would have on t=
he battlefront or a POW.
Stick to the specific topic. I think noone knows how to do it.Think 1940 per=
iod and what was available.
g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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        Hi Mal and LF

        I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope detector.=20=
A true CW man, I would have thought, should only entertain the use of a Cohe=
re detector!

        Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a r=
ange 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a=
 much lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.

        http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm

        73 pefmt



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          From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
          Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
          To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
          Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM


          Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info fr=
om the web.
          g3kev

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            310113517964   E bay too

            On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talkt=
alk.net> writes:
              Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back=
 I have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity t=
o submit a cct I will await replies. This method was used successfully  at C=
oldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
              Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applic=
able to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands=
.
              Build one and have a QSO using this RX
              g3kev




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It seems everyone is&nbsp;MISSING THE POINT=
. I want=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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        <DIV>I am disapointed in you Mal to be&nbsp;considering an envelope=20
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BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:=20
          mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF: Raz=
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          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your own cct and ideas and the he=
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uno.com"               target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>riese-k3djc@juno.com</=
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blacksheep.org" target=3D_blank               rel=3Dnofollow>rsgb_lf_group@b=
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            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 06=
, 2009=20
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            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Razor bl=
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            <DIV>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too</DIV>
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cct=20
              I will await replies. This method&nbsp;was used successfully=20
              &nbsp;at Coldiz&nbsp;and other POW camps to receive BBC=20
              broadcasts.</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let us know how you would app=
roach=20
              the subject. This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts=20=
at=20
              the time were receicved on these bands.</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Build one and have a QSO usin=
g this=20
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              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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Markus,

> Despite some distant QRN, very good signals from XKO and WD2XKO were visible
> through most of the night, with the last "J" coming through as late as 9:15.

  Perhaps you mean XGJ at 9:15?

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And he got a good decode both those two times, with the frequency reported
as 870 in each case (odd minutes listed in the database, coz of high Dsec
setting).  Surely not two oddities, exactly cancelling, on two completely
different machines.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


2009/1/31 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>

> Dear Andy, LF Group,
>
> Oddly enough, at the time your e-mail arrived, I noticed on the WSPR
> display that your signal frequency had jumped from  503869 to 503883 Hz. It
> stayed there for 2 frames (1838, 1840utc) and during that time it did not
> decode. After that, it reverted to normal frequency, and decoded normally.
> The other signals on the spectrogram behaved normally during this time, so
> I'm sure this was nothing to do with the receiver here.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <
> andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Cc: <jfell@tesco.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:02 PM
> Subject: LF: Anoterh WSPR timing error
>
>
> John, G0API, has been monitoring my QRP WSPR beacon most of the afternoon,
>> and getting the occasional decode at a S/N of -19dB, ie quite good.
>> However, he only manages a decode about one time in 10, randomly.  The
>> frequency is usually reported as ....855 instead of the ...870 it should
>> be,
>> although once in a while, it reports 870 and gives a proper decode.   So
>> it
>> looks as if he may have some sort of intermitetnt fault that affects
>> sampling rate.
>>
>>
>
>

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<div>And he got a good decode both those two times, with the frequency repor=
ted as 870 in each case (odd minutes&nbsp;listed in the database, coz of hig=
h Dsec setting).&nbsp; Surely not two oddities, exactly cancelling, on two c=
ompletely different machines.</div>

<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com">=
www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/1/31 James Moritz <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:james.moritz@btopenworld.com">james.moritz@btopenworld.com</a>=
&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Dear Andy, LF Group,<br><br>Oddly=20=
enough, at the time your e-mail arrived, I noticed on the WSPR display that=20=
your signal frequency had jumped from &nbsp;503869 to 503883 Hz. It stayed t=
here for 2 frames (1838, 1840utc) and during that time it did not decode. Af=
ter that, it reverted to normal frequency, and decoded normally. The other s=
ignals on the spectrogram behaved normally during this time, so I&#39;m sure=
 this was nothing to do with the receiver here.<br>
<br>Cheers, Jim Moritz<br>73 de M0BMU<br><br>----- Original Message ----- Fr=
om: &quot;Andy Talbot&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: &lt;<a href=3D"m=
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ep.org</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jfell@tesco.net" target=3D"_blank">jfell@tesco.net=
</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:02 PM<br>Subject: LF: Anoterh=
 WSPR timing error<br><br><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">John, G0API, has been monitoring m=
y QRP WSPR beacon most of the afternoon,<br>and getting the occasional decod=
e at a S/N of -19dB, ie quite good.<br>
However, he only manages a decode about one time in 10, randomly. &nbsp;The<=
br>frequency is usually reported as ....855 instead of the ...870 it should=20=
be,<br>although once in a while, it reports 870 and gives a proper decode. &=
nbsp; So it<br>
looks as if he may have some sort of intermitetnt fault that affects<br>samp=
ling rate.<br><br></blockquote><br><br></blockquote></div><br>

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WE2XGR/2 will be in WSPR mode tonight starting 2030Z on dial frequency 507.000 kHz. The start time
has been moved up as las Tuesday's session produced copy as soon as the transmitter was fired up at
2200Z. It will be interesting to see how early stations are able to receive the beacon. Sunset here
today is 2206Z.

In years past CT1DRP on 137 kHz was received (QRSS30) here as early as 2015Z - more than an hour
before sunset.

Reports and 'spots' uploaded to the WSPR database are appreciated.

Jay  W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2



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Gudday Jim,

I have been seeing a signal on 503.5 but didn't know what it is...

If you then it was constant +10 out of the noise...

Let's know when you plan that again...

Dave WD2XSH/17


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight


> Dear Jay, LF Group,
>
> Thanks for the trans-atlantic report. Although M0BMU does not seem to be 
> powerful enough to allow consistent reception of WSPR across the pond, it 
> does at least show that peaks in propagation occur often enough to allow 
> some transmission of signals on most nights under the present conditions 
> on the band.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jrusgrove@comcast.net>
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> Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight
>
>
>> Jim
>>
>> Only two decodes during the period although I started receiving late at 
>> 0000Z and the RX antenna was carrying about 1/2 inch of ice.
>>
>> 090108 0340   3 -28   0.7   0.503510  M0BMU IO91 30
>> 090108 0406   4 -28   0.6   0.503510  M0BMU IO91 30
>>
>> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>
> 



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Hi Joe,

verry weak trace vo1na
henny cpm
73s
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Joe,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>verry weak trace vo1na</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny cpm</FONT></DIV>
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Hi LF,

 

G4WGT grabbers back on.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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Ralph, LF,

That's good.  If anyone else is interested would they please let me know. =20

73
John F5VLF

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 16/01/2009 at 18:39 Ralph Lane wrote:

>John, Thanks for pointing me to the Cossor manuel. Isearched the net and=20
>found the manual so you don't need to send me a copy.
>
>Thanks again,
>Ralph
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----=20
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>
>In sorted out some of my testgear, I have found the above document.  Would=20
>anyone like it?
>
>The equipment itself is is long gone.
>
>73
>John F5VLF/G3PAI
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>*********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE  ***********






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Over here, we get Coronation street every Sunday morning from 7:30 to 10 AM 
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----- Original Message ----- 
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> Jim
> You did  not mention 137 tonight. Maybe your preference is Coronation 
> Street.
> mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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>
>
>> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>>
>> Well, at least no-one on this reflector would dream of using abbreviated
>> gibberish or poor grammar!
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>>
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Hi Jim and group,

2002 -27  1.1   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2006 -23  0.9   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23

More reports here:
http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=&sort=date

73,
  Wolf .

James Moritz schrieb:
> Dear LF Group,
>
> I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/- 
> (136.0kHz "dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any reports 
> would be very welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>



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Jim,

Very strong signal - to be expected at this distance. No sign of G0NBD
tonight.

2214  -6  2.4   0.503509  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2226  -5  2.4   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2232  -5  2.5   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2238  -5  2.5   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2246  -5  2.6   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2252  -5  2.6   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of James Moritz
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Subject: Re: LF: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight


Dear LF Group,

The beacon is now up & running. I see there are 4 spots already on the WSPR
database. That was quick!

There is noticeably more QRN tonight, so it will be interesting to see what
happens.

Looking forward to further reports,

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Hi Mall,

you,re well come.
the SpecLab version was 2.6 b8 ? but all other versions do it as well.
Mal, I cant describe the steps I handled that program as good as the HELP file
does.
I followed the hints Wolf gives in that file.
have fun
Uwe/dj8wx


Zitat von mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Tnx Uwe
> I must try this method. If u have some info about setting it up let 
> me know and what version of speclab
> 73 mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <uwe-jannsen@versanet.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Antenna Diversity
>
>
>> Hi Mal,
>>
>> pse see also
>>
>> http://home.versanet.de/~uwe-jannsen/two.htm
>>
>> regards
>> Uwe/dj8wx
>>
>>
>>
>> Zitat von mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>
>>> LF/MF
>>> I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using
>>> two loops. Loop A is 40 metres perimeter vertical orientation, Loop B
>>> is 190 metres perimeter also vertical.  Both loops optimum E/W.
>>> I am using two receivers in this experiment Ant A to Siemens D2155
>>> level meter, BW 20 Hz and vy stable, Ant B to Datong up converter and
>>> IC746 250 Hz BW. Both audio outputs to soundcard/ARGO display
>>> allowing 50 hz separation for observation.
>>> Observing DI2AM at present and having calibrared this signal on both
>>> RX outputs at a point in time, both signals are fairly constant but
>>> more variations have been observed on Ant A - 40m loop, the signal
>>> surges in strength and then fades down, whereas Ant B has a more
>>> constant output with less fade.
>>> More time is needed for a proper assessment and DI2AM is also a
>>> strong signal. I would need a few long haul signals for a proper test
>>> like Russian or USA .
>>> Interested in MF signals at present.
>>> This method would also work with a couple of small loops or a loop
>>> and probe type antenna, then at a glance one would know how each was
>>> performing, of course with the loop in the optimum direction for
>>> target signal.
>>>
>>> This is just a simple setup, it works well and no audio cross mod
>>> noticed, nice clean signals on display in spite of the fact that the
>>> separation is only 50hz.
>>> A nice balanced mixer would be a more sophisticated approach, that
>>> might come later.
>>>
>>> 73 mal/g3kev
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Ah yes, the coherer, worked for me during a reconstruction of the W1AA/Marco=
ni event...

But lets give credit to latter day technology as well and the Liquid Beretta=
, that truly sensitive with all AM detection capabilty invented by the augus=
t and sublime producer of genius, Reginald Fessenden...

Good thing that he had his clues on and that Armstrong used Reggie's heterod=
yne principal and also tamed deForest's audion into submission to do noble e=
arly radio work...

TNX fer your ears...  ( and eyes )

EOR  ( end of rant )

30s

Dave WD2XSH/17, in the Colonies...

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  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:20 AM
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?


  It seems everyone is MISSING THE POINT. I want someone to describe how to=20=
make  RX using a RAZOR blade detector and also how to make the HEADPHONE nee=
ded to hear the signal, using the sort of components a soldier would have on=
 the battlefront or a POW.
  Stick to the specific topic. I think noone knows how to do it.Think 1940 p=
eriod and what was available.
  g3kev

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: M0FMT=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:23 PM
    Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?


          Hi Mal and LF

          I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope detector=
. A true CW man, I would have thought, should only entertain the use of a Co=
here detector!

          Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a=
 range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over=
 a much lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.

          http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm

          73 pefmt



          --- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

            From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
            Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
            To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
            Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM


            Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info=20=
from the web.
            g3kev

              ----- Original Message -----=20
              From: riese-k3djc@juno.com=20
              To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
              Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM
              Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


              310113517964   E bay too

              On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@tal=
ktalk.net> writes:
                Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while ba=
ck I have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity=
 to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was used successfully  at=
 Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
                Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is appl=
icable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these ban=
ds.
                Build one and have a QSO using this RX
                g3kev




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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Ah yes, the coherer, worked for me during a=20
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>But lets give credit to latter day technology as=
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Fessenden...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Good thing that he had his clues on and that Arm=
strong=20
used Reggie's heterodyne principal and also tamed deForest's audion into=20
submission to do noble early radio work...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>TNX fer your ears...&nbsp; ( and eyes=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>EOR&nbsp; ( end of rant )</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>30s</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Dave WD2XSH/17, in the=20
Colonies...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  hamilton</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6=
:20=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Razor blade RX ...=
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  a Cohere?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It seems everyone is&nbsp;MISSING THE POI=
NT. I=20
  want someone to describe how to make&nbsp; RX using a RAZOR blade detector=
 and=20
  also how to make the HEADPHONE needed to hear the signal, using the sort o=
f=20
  components a soldier would have on the battlefront or a POW.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Stick to the specific topic. I think noon=
e knows=20
  how to do it.Think 1940 period and what was available.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1=
1:23=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Razor blade RX .=
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    Try a Cohere?</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
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          <DIV>Hi Mal and LF</DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV>I am disapointed in you Mal to be&nbsp;considering an envelop=
e=20
          detector. A true CW man, I would have thought,&nbsp;should only=20
          entertain the use of a Cohere detector!</DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work o=
ver=20
          a range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probabl=
y=20
          work over a much lager range of frequencies but not tested by=20
me.</DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><A             href=3D"http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coher=
er.htm">http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm</A></DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV>73 pefmt</DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton=20
          <I>&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
          <BLOCKQUOTE             style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5=
px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:=20
            mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF: R=
azor=20
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=20
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            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your own cct and ideas and the=20
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group@blacksheep.org" target=3D_blank                 rel=3Dnofollow>rsgb_lf=
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              <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January=20=
06,=20
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blade=20
              RX</DIV>
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              <DIV>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too</DIV>
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                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since I mentioned a Razor b=
lade and=20
                fence wire RX a while back I have had several requests for a=
=20
                circuit. To give&nbsp;others the opportunity&nbsp;to submit=20=
a=20
                cct I will await replies. This method&nbsp;was used successf=
ully=20
                &nbsp;at Coldiz&nbsp;and other POW camps to receive BBC=20
                broadcasts.</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let us know how you would a=
pproach=20
                the subject. This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcast=
s at=20
                the time were receicved on these bands.</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Build one and have a QSO us=
ing this=20
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                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Warren,

>>>>>>> Was XGR/6 audible?

Well judging by the SL display I would yes as I can hear signals with much
less visible trace than Bob's. Of course at that time I was in bed fast
asleep!!!!

I have SL capture 500 to 510KHz each 12 minutes.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Warren Ziegler
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Subject: Re: LF: 507.300KHz

Gary,

    Thanks, I will forward your report to Bob.
Was XGR/6 audible?


-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1




On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> LF,
>
>
>
> WE2XGR/6 very strong signal at 0248utc this morning.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
>
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
>
>



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Guys, My 600KHz grabber is still QRV, The address port number had to change, 
and because I don't have a guaranteed static IP address, the best way to get 
at my grabber is www.dc2light.co.uk/LF_MF.htm
The WSPR decoder is also active, and the approx window is shown on the right 
hand side of the grabber. Last night on my return, I re-centred this so that 
it covers the top 200Hz of the band, nominal dial freq 502.4
Regards
Mark GM4ISM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: LF: RE: where are all the grabbers gone ...


> Hi Rik, LF,
>
> I did make some changes a while ago, the 500KHz grabbers are operating at 
> :-
>
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html
> and
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html
>
> When in-operative due to work at my end I always place a notice on the 
> page.
>
> I can get John's grabber at :-
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/grabber2.htm
> or
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg
>
> But at the moment but it appears to be off line.
>
> And Mark's appears to have gone away!! at :-
> http://92.235.33.173:8080/
>
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe
> Sent: 29 January 2009 11:30
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: where are all the grabbers gone ...
>
> Dear all,
>
> for various reasons (busy, antenna down due to construction) I haven't
> been active during the past 2 months.
> Today I re-installed the (improved) antenna. The work paid off,
> antenna current is up from 2.4 A to 2.8 A.
> But as I tried the grabbers some seemed to have gone or moved. G3YXM
> and GM4ISM are still where they used to be, but I couldn't find G4WGT
> and GM4SLV.
> Googling them didn't help (lot's of hits but all to dead links).
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>
>
>
>


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Rik, LF,

Apparently not.

I have not used it but have seen several posts commenting on the fact that
it does not upload spots. I think the reason is that it is a QSO mode WSPR &
the version 1.01 is beacon mode.

73

Gary - G4WGT.


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Dear all,

last night I tried receiving WSPR using WSJT7.
It works fine, but I cannot find any "upload button".
Does WSJT7 (in WSPR mode) have an upload function ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Oh dear, I have to agree with Mal for once.
I'm fully with you there on grammar and punctuation in modern usage.

I know of one teacher who refuses and returns any written work that
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2009/1/23 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Gary
> A shining example of what can be achieved especially by a disabled person=20=
.
> It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad light!!!!!! on MF/LF some class A
> operators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I assume they are able bodied. It
> used to be that a class A amateur had an advantage over the general public
> by being able to converse in morse code, just like another language except
> it was totally international.
> Even a worse senario, a lot of persons today cannot write, the norm is to
> use a keypad and send text messages using some abbreviated gibbirish,
> grammar is not required, sort of pigeon english.
> G3KEV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary - G4WGT
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 4:21 PM
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> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Here is a video on the above subject at this link :-
>
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Gary =96 G4WGT.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Michael Probert
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>
> Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009
>
>
>
> The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 2009
>
>
>
> Quote=97" A Pensioner who is almost completely paralysed has learned to
> communicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.
>
> Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his 79
> year-old mother to communicate using her knowledge of the code."
>
>
>
>  End of quote.
>
>
>
> 73  Mike GW4HXO
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ID sideband from NDB station 400 miles down the coast is blasting in tonight 
and making false decodes in the 503.900 window so I nudged the 200 window 
down a bit and see that M0BMU is making some lines in all this rain and snow 
static...
Maybe good DX from NEED to y'all...
Thats only way to get a 2 way with us underprivileged 20 watters...

We asked the Doctor if WSPR is FSK of sorts and it's gone to committee...
Me and Bluie have a fiver that sez its OK...

Thats 503.870 kc... Its lower sideband sig...

Cheerie from /17













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Andy,

I would be good to have you aboard !

Gary - G4WGT.

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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:00
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUN=
NING NOW - 1615 HRS

Yes, just about the same level of decoding, but MFSK certainly looks
weaker on teh spectrogrram.
 Need to stop Rx and tunr off now, but will monitor this reflector

Interesting stuff - half-tempted to apply for teh 500kHz NoV.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
> Andy,
>
> Are you looking at the same level of demodulation  for olivia and  mfsk ?
>
> If so  that's a useful outcome as I know some stations are in the process=20=
of
> making tx transverters, but don't have linear power amps.. in which case,
> mfsk  may offer an  advantage over 2 tone rtt ?
>
> Tnx- G ..
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:21 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>>
>> I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
>> throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
>> important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
>> particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
>> getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
>> but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
>> poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.
>>
>> So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
>> over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
>> fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
>> much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
>> QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>>
>>> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
>>> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
>>> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot"
>>> <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
>>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>>
>>>
>>>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>>>
>>>> OLIVIA :
>>>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>>>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<=
Uq
>>>> 8
>>>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>>>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>>>> gnbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>>>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0n=
bd
>>>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MFSK8
>>>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  =C3=99*BwkiroN9 -in=C3=B0?Sd=C3=9B4=C2=BFhIa lr
>>>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog  rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez;  uETqioB Vae   n Ct W
>>>> amSdeMe=C3=94dYbV*=C3=85=C2=AD  ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq=
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>>>> =C3=80thiei=C5=A1=C2=B8etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jt=C5=BE;a=C2=BA o=C2=BAnJ=
=C2=BAo
>>>> a I=C2=A4narLx=C3=BDikc igq'<anel6
>>>> rmmz e rke wxe=C3=BBhC vo)o=C2=B7dad=C2=AA=E2=80=B9egseey(v e vt sce\ w=
Vsccon  t"tciu
>>>> tt=C2=A3h,iFtI=C2=BCv lre=C2=A6eek=C3=BAn =E2=82=ACi z=C3=A0=C3=82UP nv=
e =C2=BD=C3=B9I t$   : nNe t  lro&"t l=C3=96
>>>> e=C2=B7=C3=B7RenuIoqemfep ,=C2=A4esss=C2=ADfer tt=C3=AA oequea8  =C2=
=A4d=C2=A7]xaV=C2=B0N~u=C3=87 pAbd  g0nbd
>>>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =C2=ADiefo&
>>>> kD kk e e0enm o=C2=A7 HbecOgh=C3=89o  eno fsewtit,es m=C3=8Cx=C2=AAoitn=
 'Xei eaer=C3=BEii
>>>> lscktleea it=C2=A5 nd=C2=B7WmoEi=C2=ADxirwn mdW=C3=A3=C2=A6 7euc eg%oa=20=
loPttst   CQ CQ CQ
>>>> DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk rBt=C3=B28e=C3=A6 t=C2=B6=C2=ADk=
nmm)mL   io 4Eek a
>>>> oiiqa  o zt eoun cKldd=C3=B98 =C2=B0o9aZnz=C3=A5ee  1  =C2=B9tlTtii0q=
=3Di ielsaa nu 0 mPn=C3=BA=C3=BFK
>>>> =C2=B3S=C2=A2 iwX=C3=A4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=C3=A2pg H Jant0n9=C2=A8j=C2=
=B7eoet n
>>>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=C3=B4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=C2=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>>>> a=C2=B1 rotet a=C3=9C Foe2_vl=C2=A7ms=C3=AD t=C3=8Ck  t=3D l=C3=85 edCQ=
 CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =C2=AB=C3=B2ee
>>>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>>>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>>>
>>>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>
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>
>
>


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Hi!

After coming home I was checking 189kHz for the Radio Iceland AM signal.
Short glimpses showed a unbelievably nice reception again, still amazing to me, taking into account that there are 2505km beetween the TX and my location in the middle of a big and noisy city...

19:39UT: Q 4 / Interferences 4
19:49UT: Q 4 / Interferences 3

Have a nice evening and lots of DX on LF!
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Mal,

QSL AA1A  QRSS3 502.57 loud and clean even wid QRN4-5

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Noticed same thing here, Paul with e-antennas, so tried this and it serves 
well from 17.2 kc. to 6 meters.
Pulled down all the other wire antennas, no more ground radials or top load 
wires needed, plus is more quiet on RX.
Gets out well on 600M too.  160M, 80M, 30M, it doesn't care where it 
tunes...
Mostly no de-tuning with snow and wet...  ( maybe 2 kc. )

TNX de Dave @ WD2XSH/17

ref: www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP1107.jpg




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
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Hello Mal, LF


In my case it is still snowing here, no way to keep the antenna tuned atm. 
Short
high impedance antennas are tricky to keep happy. Just like me they prefer 
dry
weather and clear skies :)

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> This band seems to have gone vy quiet again after a burst of recent acty. 
> Not
> even a grabber active.
>
> de mal/g3kev






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I was one of those, perhaps sad, individuals who could read Baudot punch tap=
e (from 6S and 6SM tape readers) pretty fast - I could often find typos Id p=
unched in the tape before reinserting them in the reader. Oh the days of 50=20=
baud non FEC RTTY. I seem to remember throwing out a CW tape reader when I f=
irst started work as an RO..
=20
Youd ask me to do it now and I wouldnt have a clue, except the RY perhaps -=20=
but people dont seem to lose morse that easily.
=20
Long haul pretty good so far and Im seeing DCF39 during Winter daylight over=
 the path to EU =3D
=20
Grabber is running centred 137.777 dot 60
=20
Laurence BY3A-KL1 X Tanggu China
G4DMA
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:24:24 +0000> From: C.Trayner@leeds.ac.uk> To: rsg=
b_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Subject: RE: LF: NON MORSE> > Dear Mal and others=
,> > > > Come on Jim, learn the Murray code.> > > Prof. Tony Brooker, who wr=
ote the first compiler compiler and later became Essex University's first Pr=
ofessor of Computing, once told me that he used to use Murray's code in his=20=
early days. Not on the radio, but for programming, sometimes in absolute bin=
ary. He commented that you got to know that if, for instance, the character=20=
was a an inverted comma and you wanted to set bit 4 then it became a digit 7=
 (or a letter U, at taste).> > They didn't eat quiche in those days.> > > <f=
igs shift> OO*.** OOO.O* <lets shift>> Chris G4OKW>=20
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I was one of those, perhaps sad,&nbsp;individuals who could read Baudot punc=
h tape (from 6S and 6SM tape readers) pretty fast - I could often find typos=
 Id punched in the tape before reinserting them in the reader. Oh the days o=
f 50 baud non FEC RTTY. I seem to remember throwing out a CW tape reader whe=
n I first started work as an RO..<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Youd ask me to do it now and I wouldnt have a clue, except the RY perhaps -=20=
but people dont seem to lose morse that easily.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Long haul pretty good so far and Im seeing DCF39 during Winter daylight over=
 the path to EU =3D<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Grabber is running centred 137.777 dot 60<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence BY3A-KL1 X Tanggu China<BR>
G4DMA<BR>
<BR><BR>&gt; Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:24:24 +0000<BR>&gt; From: C.Trayner@le=
eds.ac.uk<BR>&gt; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>&gt; Subject: RE: LF:=20=
NON MORSE<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Dear Mal and others,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &g=
t; Come on Jim, learn the Murray code.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Prof. Tony=20=
Brooker, who wrote the first compiler compiler and later became Essex Univer=
sity's first Professor of Computing, once told me that he used to use Murray=
's code in his early days. Not on the radio, but for programming, sometimes=20=
in absolute binary. He commented that you got to know that if, for instance,=
 the character was a an inverted comma and you wanted to set bit 4 then it b=
ecame a digit 7 (or a letter U, at taste).<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; They didn't eat=20=
quiche in those days.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &lt;figs shift&gt; OO*.** OO=
O.O* &lt;lets shift&gt;<BR>&gt; Chris G4OKW<BR>&gt; <BR><BR><br /><hr />Life=
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band? 

Oh no! 

Please let's not get into this again....

At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".

The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9 

There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.


That's just my view on how things have evolved.

"Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63

John
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Hello Dave, LF

Thanks for reporting!

Yes, that looks like me sending a longer CW ID followed by "TT" in QRSS3. Is
136.35kHz less suited at your QTH due to the local QRM? I can move back up t=
o
136.40kHz for a while if you think that helps.

73's

Paul-Henrik



Quoting Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>:

> Paul-Henrik, LF,
>
> I was definitely seeing traces of your signal around 1900 utc before you
> QSYd. See attached screengrab.
>
> No sign ot the QRSS3 on 136.35, yet.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Paul-Henrik
> Sent: 16 January 2009 20:47
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
>
>
> Danke Markus!
>
> I'm so positively surprised and if I had a bottle of Champagne it would be
> open
> now. These are very encouraging reports. Perhaps time to start building a
> more
> powerful transmitter now. The antenna is about as good as it gets on this
> property. An elevated loading coil could be worth a try though as the
> vertical
> wire is very near one of the supporting trees and I suspect some of that
> highly
> needed ERP is wasted in it.
>
> Will keep the signal coming for a few more hours, the PSU seems to do the
> job
> (PSU for my old retired Yaesu FT-250).
>
> 73's
>
> Paul-Henrik
>
> Quoting Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>:
>
> > ... this it what it looked like here at 20:18. Nice job with 20 mW!
> >
> > 73 - Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:18 PM
> > Subject: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
> >
> >
> > Dear Paul-Henrik, LF Group,
> >
> > Now building up to "O" copy...
> >
> > Cheers, Jim Moritz
> > 73 de M0BMU
> >
>
>
>
>




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For some reason I am not getting his callsign or locator, his signal is audi=
ble indicating -4dB or better.
mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:58 PM
  Subject: LF: WSPR - G0NBD


  Hi LF,

  =20

  Interesting observation.

  =20

  Tonight up to now I have only had one decode from Graham's WSPR & that was=
 when I had a high level of broadband noise here masking the signal.

  =20

  I have just inserted some attenuation into the Rx antenna input so there i=
s no S meter movement on the signal. Now it appears to decode each time.

  =20

  73,

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

  =20



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For some reason I am not getting his callsi=
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Hello Vernon ,
Joe VO1NA transmit in qrss75  on 184.509, 3 kHz  ( 10W in 100 m slopper=20
antenna )
73 Jean-Pierre f1afj

Vernon Matheson a =E9crit :
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Jay.
Are u looking tonite for 500 qrs3 acty. I will be qrv on 502.57 khz starting=
 2000 utc - 2400 utc 3rd Jan. If u would like a qso.
73 mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:44 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???


  WE2XGR/2 Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Gary - G4WGT=20
    To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20
    Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 4:23 PM
    Subject: LF: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???


    Hi LF,

    =20

    Is this the first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??

    =20

    =20

    CQ CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk

    =20

    CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20

     CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20

     CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nb

    =20

    m0bmu ... ok jim  uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu=20

    =20

    copy ok ???  how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham=20=
good copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out the soft=
ware still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0nbd

    =20

    ok dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker ! =20

    =20

    fine copy 100%  what is your peak power o/p ????

    =20

    nice to  work you for the first time ..=20

    hr running   30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti  pa block .. mul=
tipsk ..

    =20

    ae  35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config

    =20

    ok ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still good co=
py when ur sig barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long i=
nv L antenna from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP shoul=
d be close to 1W BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd

    =20

    ok jim fine .. well all 100%  even in a deep qsb dip your signal fell un=
der the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode ..hihi/..=
  i used  250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a good copy under qsb .. b=
etter than psk ..

    =20

    your signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking on spec=
-lab and can only see same as my ouit going .......

    =20

    ok .. well  fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti  pa .. i=
m keeping=20

    power down hihi

    btu jim ???

    =20

    g0ndb de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had had a nas=
ty accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but mostl=
y OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude modu=
lation in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things a bit s=
impler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500hz bandwid=
th variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many complaints abou=
t bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd

     m0bmu .. de g0nbd=20

    =20

    ok fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx button=
 and the tx stopped hihi=20

    =20

    well this was a quick test to  see if this mode printed better over the=20=
noise ...looks to  work very well =20

    =20

    could   change mode ?   8 x 250  that would give a good test ,  reduce t=
o    8 x 250   8 x 250 ???

    =20

    bkbkbkbk

    =20

    ok graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8 x 50 m=
ode now - pse qrx...ok  changing to  8 x 250

    =20

    73,

    =20

    Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

    =20



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are u looking tonite for 500 qrs3 acty. I w=
ill be=20
qrv on 502.57 khz starting 2000 utc - 2400 utc 3rd Jan. If u would like a=20
qso.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE   style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5=
px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Djrusgrove@comcast.net     href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@comcast.net"=
>jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 02, 2009 9:44=
=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: 500KHz first Olivi=
a QSO=20
  ???</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WE2XGR/2 </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2>Jay=20
  W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp; WE2XGR/2</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr     style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;=20=
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV       style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: b=
lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary=20=
-=20
    G4WGT</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">LF -RSGB=
 LF Group</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 02, 2009 4:=
23=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 500KHz first Olivia=20=
QSO=20
    ???</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV class=3DSection1>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi=20
    LF,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is this the=20
    first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">CQ=20
    CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">CQ=20
    CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City> <st1:State=
       w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nbsp; g0nb=
d&nbsp;=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">&nbsp;CQ=20
    CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City> <st1:State=
       w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nbsp; g0nb=
d&nbsp;=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">&nbsp;CQ=20
    CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City> <st1:State=
       w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nb<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">m0bmu=20
    ... ok jim&nbsp; uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">copy=20
    ok ???&nbsp; how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham=20=
good=20
    copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out the softw=
are=20
    still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de=20
    g0nbd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker !&nbsp;=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">fine=20
    copy 100%&nbsp; what is your peak power o/p=20
    ????<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">nice=20
    to&nbsp; work you for the first time .. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P=
>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">hr=20
    running&nbsp;&nbsp; 30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti&nbsp; pa=20
    block .. multipsk ..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ae&nbsp;=20
    35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still good copy=20=
when=20
    <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">ur</st1:place></st1:City> s=
ig=20
    barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long inv L antenn=
a=20
    from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP should be clos=
e to=20
    1W BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de=20
    g0nbd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    jim fine .. well all 100%&nbsp; even in a deep qsb dip your signal fell=20
    under the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode=20
    ..hihi/..&nbsp; i used&nbsp; 250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a g=
ood=20
    copy under qsb .. better than psk ..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">your=20
    signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking on spec-lab=20=
and=20
    can only see same as my ouit going .......<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B><=
/P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    .. well&nbsp; fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti&nbsp;=20=
pa=20
    .. im keeping <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">power=20
    down hihi<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">btu=20
    jim ???<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">g0ndb=20
    de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had had a nasty=20
    accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but most=
ly=20
    OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude=20
    modulation in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things=
 a=20
    bit simpler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500h=
z=20
    bandwidth variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many=20
    complaints about bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de=20
    M0BMUkkkSd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">&nbsp;m0bmu=20
    .. de g0nbd <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx button an=
d=20
    the tx stopped hihi <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">well=20
    this was a quick test to&nbsp; see if this mode printed better over the=20
    noise ...looks to&nbsp; work very well&nbsp;=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">could&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
    change mode ?&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250&nbsp; that would give a good test ,&nb=
sp;=20
    reduce to&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250=20
    ???<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">bkbkbkbk<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8 x 50 mode=
 now=20
    - pse qrx...ok&nbsp; changing to&nbsp; 8 x 250</SPAN></FONT></B><B><FONT=
       face=3DArial><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-FAMILY: Ari=
al"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN      =20=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">73,</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG>=
<o:p></o:p></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN      =20=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gary - G4WGT -=20
    IO83QP.</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
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Dear LF Group,

Thanks for all the reports on the WSPR beacon last night, which was shut 
down at about 0820utc this morning. Trans-atlantic conditions seemed good, 
with about 40 successful decodes at A1AA out of a possible 80 or so.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Hi Mall,

you,re wellcome.
the SpecLab version was 2.6 b8 ? but all other versions do it as well.
Mal, I cant describe the steps I handled that program as good as the HELP file
does.
I followed the hints Wolf gives in that file.
have fun
Uwe/dj8wx


Zitat von mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Tnx Uwe
> I must try this method. If u have some info about setting it up let 
> me know and what version of speclab
> 73 mal/g3kev
>
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>> Hi Mal,
>>
>> pse see also
>>
>> http://home.versanet.de/~uwe-jannsen/two.htm
>>
>> regards
>> Uwe/dj8wx
>>
>>
>>
>> Zitat von mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>
>>> LF/MF
>>> I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using
>>> two loops. Loop A is 40 metres perimeter vertical orientation, Loop B
>>> is 190 metres perimeter also vertical.  Both loops optimum E/W.
>>> I am using two receivers in this experiment Ant A to Siemens D2155
>>> level meter, BW 20 Hz and vy stable, Ant B to Datong up converter and
>>> IC746 250 Hz BW. Both audio outputs to soundcard/ARGO display
>>> allowing 50 hz separation for observation.
>>> Observing DI2AM at present and having calibrared this signal on both
>>> RX outputs at a point in time, both signals are fairly constant but
>>> more variations have been observed on Ant A - 40m loop, the signal
>>> surges in strength and then fades down, whereas Ant B has a more
>>> constant output with less fade.
>>> More time is needed for a proper assessment and DI2AM is also a
>>> strong signal. I would need a few long haul signals for a proper test
>>> like Russian or USA .
>>> Interested in MF signals at present.
>>> This method would also work with a couple of small loops or a loop
>>> and probe type antenna, then at a glance one would know how each was
>>> performing, of course with the loop in the optimum direction for
>>> target signal.
>>>
>>> This is just a simple setup, it works well and no audio cross mod
>>> noticed, nice clean signals on display in spite of the fact that the
>>> separation is only 50hz.
>>> A nice balanced mixer would be a more sophisticated approach, that
>>> might come later.
>>>
>>> 73 mal/g3kev
>>>
>>>
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Hi LF,

Unknowingly at the time I had the same situation. I saw Grahams signal &
started WSPR & the first frame I received decoded OK but on the waterfall
display it showed that it had only read half a frame. Then after that I had
no more decodes until I attenuated the signal down to the noise.

This confirms Jim's & Lee's findings.

Gary - G4WGT.

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Subject: LF: WSPR - G0NBD vs M0BMU

I've just watched Jim and Grahams transmissions both in the same slot for
four periods. And all decoded OK.
At a rough guess Grahams transmission was 1500ms shorter in duration than
Jims.
Thus confirming Jims tedious findings.

This constitues a reasonable bit rate error.

I suppose over a longer period of receiving Grahams signal will tend to
produce more erroneous data and be rejected.
Pulling out the antenna early has limited this accululating error.

The converse is probably true on receive, just how long are stations really
receiving for.
And the net total of both transmission and reception timing errors between
two specific stations yeild this odd outcome where, some stations
combinations receive consistently fine, while others struggle.
Stations that clearly see multiple transmissions, yet fail to decode any are
probably suffering a receive frame timing error.

The questions maybe how much of a timing discrepancy is WSPR prepared to
tolerate.
And/or does it make any attempt to phase lock onto the data stream presented
(if so what's the pull in range).

Just some thoughts for the cooking pot.

73,
Lee M0LMH.




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Dear Graham, LF Group,

Remembering what I said jokingly to RA3AGC a few days ago about visually 
verifying a spectrogram trace of a WSPR signal, and the discussions of 
merits of WSPR vs QRSS, I thought this ought to work for diagnosis 
purposes - after all, WSPR is measuring the received frequency changes and 
the times at which they change, and in principle the same info is displayed 
by the spectrogram.

So I spent a "hugely exciting" couple of hours studying your signal with 
Spectrum Lab, and comparing it with a locally generated signal from my PC 
(which everyone seems to decode OK), configured with the same beacon message

you have been transmitting. Eventually, I realised that the difference was 
that your transmissions are a few seconds shorter than the locally generated

signals - in the attachment, the locally generated signals have the dark, 
noise free background. This means the transmitted sequence will be a couple 
of symbols out of step by the end of each transmission - I expect that could

mess up the demodulation/decoding processes quite a lot. If you have a noisy

signal, the demodulator/decoder might be using effectively just the least 
noisy fraction of the signal, with less timing error over a shorter part of 
the sequence.

To test this theory, I waited until about 1 minute of your signal had 
appeared on the spectrogram, then unplugged the antenna, so that the 
remaining minute was white noise. The result was successful decodes! I tried

this 3 times, and it worked 3 times. So your signal does not have to be 
noisy in order to decode, there has to be part of it missing in order to 
decode!

So that might be why the signals don't decode - whether this is a problem 
with the soundcard, motherboard, or software is probably a question for 
K1JT! Still, a step in the right direction...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 

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Dear Andy,

if you want to change power it might make sense to go up and down on a short=
er timescale, as otherwise it may be difficult to tell the effects from a ge=
nerally increasing noise background. I'm seeing your signal weakly on spectr=
ogram with a little doiwnward drift, but no decodes yet, so not much hope fo=
r QRPP this way.=20

I have now set up WSPR for LF/MF half duplex, transmitting 25% on 137.568, a=
nd listening around 503.900 inbetween.

Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Andy Talbot=20
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  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:42 PM
  Subject: LF: WSPR - JNT


  I'm WSPRing again.  Tere was a request earlier this week for some more QRP=
 operation, so I've put a switched attenuator into circuit ready.  Currrentl=
y running at the original 80 Watts figure, but throughout the evening, I wil=
l progressively reduce power in steps - unless there are any requests for sp=
ecific reductions.   Fully linear system and I have 1dB resolution available=
.

  Suggestions pse for power levels.

  Also do have the margin to increase power by about 2 - 3dB as well,=20



  Andy  G4JNT
  www.g4jnt.com

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if you&nbsp;want to change power it might m=
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duplex,&nbsp;transmitting 25% on 137.568, and listening around 503.900=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kind regards,</FONT></DIV>
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Sorry Graham,

I only listened for Olivia - I've not tried multiPSK MFSK yet. I've got a
screenshot of the waterfall display showing the Olivia signal received here,
along with the other stations. I'll send it direct- too big for the
reflector!

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Subject: Re: LF: [500] : Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER
BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


Dave,

Thanks for that , That is close to the full beacon text .. did you take any
of the mfsk ?

Tnx- G ..

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Subject: LF: [500] : Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON -
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Graham,
>
> Copied this just now. MultiPSK Olivia 8-250 mode
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...gnbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kk
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING
> NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in
> parallel
> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running
> on
> the same pc in beacon mode
>
> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference
> signal
> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>
> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>
> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>
> Running  3 mode beacon
>
> Dial set   502 khz usb
>
> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>
> 1250 hz   psk31
>
> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>
> Reports  welcome
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
> Io83LK
>
>
>
>
>



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gm all,
fwg just rd fm radio-officers@googlegroups.com

begins

According to a message in NRRL-HQ bulletin QST-LA0309, the Norwegian PTT sup=
ports the views of NRRL that the historic significance of 500 kHz should be=20=
kept alive through use of its primary mode Morse telegraphy, and has granted=
 a preliminary permission for Norwegian radio amateurs to operate on a secon=
dary basis in the frequency band 490 =96 510 kHz using A1A only. The prelimi=
nary permission runs until the results from WRC2011 is known. Detailed regul=
ations for operation in this narrow segment are under preparations by NRRL a=
nd the Norwegian PTT. The results from these are expected to be ready early=20=
spring 2009, and thus no operation will take place until they are announced.

 Hans Chr. Haaland

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Hi Mal,
tnx fer clear screenshot. Good for the lecture on the Friedrichshafen hamven=
tion this year. Seems to be strong enough for audio reception. Should I inse=
rt a callsign-only CW-ID after each QRSS3?
73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF

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Dear Vern, LF Group,

Just woke up after setting the alarm clock to check all OK with the TX and 
antenna here, and was very pleasantly surprised to see your decodes of my 
WSPR signal. I am running well under the full 1W ERP (I estimate about 
300mW) due to antenna limitations here, and so was not seriously expecting 
transatlantic reception. So this is excellent news!

Since all seems OK, and sigs still being copied by GM4SLV and DF6NM, I may 
as well keep the beacon running until morning and see how things change at 
sunrise. Back to bed now - at least that made it worthwhile dragging myself 
out at this unearthly hour!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> How about that.....well done guys!!!! I am very excited about this....
>
> Vernon - FN85ki
>
>
> 090114 2232   1 -24  5.9   0.137510  73 DE SCP/LN8PHG        0  7540   32
> 090115 0016   1 -26  0.2   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23           0    47    0
> 090115 0020   3 -26  0.3   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23           0  2839    0
> 090115 0046   2 -29  0.4   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23           0   355    0
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Hi all,

any who know abt RS232 and WSPR!


can WSPR program accept "DTR" as interface power from RS 232 port ?


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I disagree - ERP is the licenced figure, and its what really matters
in the propagation tests.

WSPR only allows a few values, with several dB between them, and it
really should be possible to get an estimat of antenna efficiency to
that sort of value.   Rloss / calculated Rrad is easy enough to
measure.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/25 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:24:23 -0000
> "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.
>>
> Hello Gary, LF,
>
> I'm getting a fairly reliable signal from you, with just enough QSB to
> dip under the decoding margin from time to time.
>
> As to power reporting, I see that most people on LF/MF are attempting
> to estimate ERP, and use this figure in the beacon data.
>
> There was much discussion on the WSPR forum on the merits or otherwise
> of this approach, in the HF sphere at least.
>
> It might be easier if we adopted the same approach as is recommended
> for HF use - to report the actual TX power, not ERP.
>
> I see your last beacon is reporting 3dBm! Wow... that really is "flea
> power". Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW
> ERP from a large one.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>


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I haven't really been following this thread, and have deleted many of the
relevent messages, unfortunately.  But you can quite safely assume that all
timing, apart from the ititial even minute kick-off, WILL most definitely be
all derived via the soundcard.   The whole beauty behind the WSPR (and the
JT65 and FSK441) protocols is that the tone spacings and signalling
intervals are coherent.  If they weren't, you couldn't have such tone narrow
spacing with that symbol interval.

The WSPR tone spacing is 12000Hz / 8192 ~~ 1.48Hz.  The signalling interval
is the reciprocal of this, or 0.68 seconds.   (there are 162 symbols, and
162 * 8192 / 12000 = 110.592 seconds - just under two minutes, the frame
interval.)   This exact relationshihp allows semi-coherent processing to be
performed.

Timing needs to be sufficient such that after 162 symbols, the final one is
still reasonably aligned.  When I was writing the JT65 PIC code eventually
used on GB3VHF and 'RAL  beacons, I mentioned this aspect to Joe K1JT, as I
knew the PIC generated timing would be in error by several tens of ppm. to
ask his opinion.  He reckoned that provided the final symbol was aligned to
better than about 50% of its length, the decoding wouldn't suffer too much.
So my tens of ppm was more than adequate.   50% actually sounds quite
generous;  I would have thought a 10% alignment was more like that required
for no serious degradation.

If the same rule applies to WSPR, this suggests a soundcard timing error of
0.68 / 2 = 340ms after 110 seconds, or 0.3%.  So a sampling rate error of
+/-37Hz at 12kHz is permitted.

I think there was a reference to 1.5 seconds error in a previous posting on
this matter - this is very bad if it refers to the run-time and not just a
timing error..
Now this is pure speculation on my part, but could, just, explain why weak
signals could be copied, and strong ones not...
If copy is good, the receiver will try to decode all the symbols, which will
not match but it won't know which to reject so teh mesasge fails in
totality.
With a weaker signal, the decoding algorithm may just look at a portion of
the stream, which may be good enough and have not drifted too much in timing
- so will generate a valid decode.

I suggest you study thoroughly the JT65 description on Joe's website, and
understand the principles of that coding - as WSPR hasn't yet been
written-up.    WSPR uses similar coding and synchronisation principles to
JT65, although obviously different physical properties such as number of
tones, spacing and time interval;  even base soundcard rate.

And yes, in Windoze programming multiple wave threads can run in
parallel.  You can open multiple buffers and they all concatenate
automatically, passing from one to another seamlessly as soon as each one
empties.   In fact, for coherent, continuous, reading or writing of wave
data, ping-pong buffers have to be set up, so that one can be processed
while the other is read from or written to,  to avoid missing samples.
Many software writers open multiple buffers within a programme so as
to allow seamless interupt processing and allow user I/O.
Its not connected to the problem in hand.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


2009/1/29 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>

> Dear Lee, Graham, LF Group,
>
> I did some experiments at M0LMH's suggestion (see below)... I think this is
> what he meant. Perhaps the results are also of interest to  people in the
> Group who have experience of writing DSP software for the PC.
>
> The top trace in the attachment has the same WSPR beacon message as last
> night with normal windows clock settings.
>
> The middle trace shows the effect of retarding the windows clock by roughly
> one minute, while transmitting. The current sequence continues until its
> normal ending, but when the even minute occurs on the re-set clock, a new
> sequence begins as well, so for a while there are two overlapping frames.
> After that, frames are generated normally, according to the RTC timing. At
> the moment you make the clock adjustment, the time display in WSPR stops
> incrementing until the windows clock has "caught up", when it starts
> incrementing again normally.
>
> When the clock is advanced by one minute roughly (lower trace), the current
> frame continues and terminates normally. There is then a gap until the next
> even minute of about 1 minute, when the next frame is generated according to
> the RTC time setting.
>
> I suppose this shows that transmission of a frame is initiated by the real
> time clock reaching an even minute, but once started, the generation and
> timing of the bits in the frame is independent of the RTC, although it does
> not tell us how that timing is achieved. Also, the fact that the time
> display in WSPR stops when you retard the clock, and that a new frame can be
> started in the middle of an existing frame, would seem to show WSPR is
> continuously looking at the RTC data.
>
> The really funny thing is that two frames can be occuring at the same time.
> That would seem to suggest that more than one instance of the tone
> generation algorithm is in existence at once! Curious, but perhaps not
> connected to the problem in hand...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Hudson" <
> hudsonville@btinternet.com>
> To: "'James Moritz'" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>; "'Graham'" <
> g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:18 PM
> Subject: WSPR Timing issue
>
>
> Hi Jim, Graham,
>
> I've been having more thoughts on Grahams timing issue, and there are a few
> possibilities.
>
> Firstly assuming Graham has been receiving reports that he is on his
> frequency from trusted sources then we can rule out sample rate error.
> The crystal on the sound card would have to be a long way out to cause such
> a problem.
> I believe Graham tried two different sound cards with no change.
>
> The second possibility is the the RTC on his PC is fast, again looking at
> the reports from last night there does seem to be some drift but definately
> not enough do be worried over.
> And also I'm sure the time of transmission start was the same from the even
> minute epoch.
>
> This leaves a third posibility I think from recalling PC architecture and
> that there is a Timer chip, this from memory is clocked from a separate
> crystal to the RTC and certainly remote from the sound card. Some PCs use
> this crystal also for producing the multiplied up CPU clocks etc.
>
> Point being here is that the Timer is what dictates any functions requiring
> sub second interval timing, and is used by windows for task switching etc.
>
> It all boils down to how the WSPR software derrives its timing to decide
> when the transition of a bit occurs.
> I looked carefully at Jim comparision image, to first check if a bit had
> actually been dropped somewhere, and I can't see one.
>
> If I had written the software I would have used the RTC time to decide when
> to start the transmission.
> Then I would have used the sample rate as the main source of timing from
> that point on until the end, even if compensating for a sample rate error.
>
> In my opinion I think the RTC is used to start the transmission, and no
> real
> error here.
> The frequency of transmission I'm assuming is also correct, and no real
> error from the sound card side.
>
> However if the timing mechanism used to decide when a bit is over and shift
> frequency is related to the Timer, this is where the issue may really lie.
> Especially if this is how the software is written.
> Using Windows Timers can yeild incremental timing issues too, and this may
> be a manifestation also.
>
> One final thought that crossed my mind, is that Graham my be using a GPS
> signal to keep his PC RTC updated or possibly an NTP server.
> From reading deep and dark Microsoft helpfiles this does also affect how
> windows maintains it's internal time derived from the Timer, this it keeps
> separate from the RTC, but occasionally makes an alignment change.
>
> If this is the case and Graham is updating his Clock say every second from
> a
> GPS, then this could be enough to cause the incremental error.
> Simple test here would be to disconnect any external time influence and see
> if things improove.
>
> My gut feeling here is that it is really a software issue, and not related
> to the hardware as such.
> Some may be caused by Windows itself not being overly well designed for
> timing purposes.
> Second the WSPR software not using the most reliable method for timing
> things.
>
> It could be worth another test for Jim to see what happens when you locally
> generate a signal and then wind the clock forward say 1 minute.
> Record one test normally, then anothor test with the time step introduced.
> Does the data output as before and complete a full 2 minute cycle
> Or does it truncate the data period skipped and finish on scheduled time
> according to the clock.
> Or does it truncate the data at the end.
> This will give some clue as to how the data bits themselves are timed.
> Be intresting also to time step backwards too!!
>
> Cheers,
> Lee.
>
>

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<div>I haven&#39;t really been following this thread, and have deleted many=20=
of the relevent messages, unfortunately.&nbsp; But you can quite safely assu=
me that all timing, apart from the ititial even minute kick-off,&nbsp;WILL m=
ost definitely&nbsp;be all derived via the soundcard.&nbsp;&nbsp; The whole=20=
beauty behind the WSPR (and the JT65 and FSK441) protocols is that the tone=20=
spacings and signalling intervals are coherent.&nbsp; If they weren&#39;t, y=
ou couldn&#39;t have such tone narrow spacing with that symbol interval.&nbs=
p; </div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The WSPR tone spacing is 12000Hz / 8192&nbsp;~~ 1.48Hz.&nbsp; The signa=
lling interval is the reciprocal of this, or 0.68 seconds.&nbsp;&nbsp; (ther=
e are 162 symbols, and 162 * 8192 / 12000 =3D 110.592 seconds - just under t=
wo minutes, the frame interval.)&nbsp;&nbsp; This exact relationshihp allows=
 semi-coherent processing to be performed.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Timing needs to be sufficient such that after 162 symbols, the final on=
e is still reasonably aligned.&nbsp; When I was writing the JT65 PIC code ev=
entually used on GB3VHF and &#39;RAL&nbsp; beacons, I mentioned this aspect=20=
to Joe K1JT, as I knew the PIC generated timing would be in error by several=
 tens of ppm. to ask his opinion.&nbsp; He reckoned that provided the final=20=
symbol was aligned to better than about 50% of its length, the decoding woul=
dn&#39;t suffer too much.&nbsp; So my tens of ppm was more than adequate.&nb=
sp;&nbsp; 50% actually sounds quite generous; &nbsp;I would have&nbsp;though=
t a 10% alignment was more like that required for no serious degradation.</d=
iv>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>If the same rule applies to WSPR, this suggests a soundcard timing erro=
r of 0.68 / 2 =3D 340ms after 110 seconds, or 0.3%.&nbsp; So a sampling rate=
&nbsp;error&nbsp;of +/-37Hz at 12kHz is permitted.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I think there was a reference to 1.5 seconds error in a previous postin=
g on this matter - this is very bad if it refers to the run-time and not jus=
t a timing error..</div>
<div>Now this is pure speculation on my part, but could, just, explain why w=
eak signals could be copied, and strong ones not...</div>
<div>If copy is good, the receiver will try to decode all the symbols, which=
 will not match but it won&#39;t know which to reject so teh mesasge fails i=
n totality.</div>
<div>With a weaker signal, the decoding algorithm may just look at a portion=
 of the stream, which may be good enough and have not drifted too much in ti=
ming - so will generate a valid decode.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I suggest you study thoroughly the JT65 description on Joe&#39;s websit=
e, and understand the principles of that coding - as WSPR hasn&#39;t yet bee=
n written-up.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; WSPR uses similar coding and synchronisation=
&nbsp;principles to JT65, although obviously different physical properties s=
uch as number of tones, spacing and time interval;&nbsp; even base soundcard=
 rate.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>And yes, in Windoze programming&nbsp;multiple wave threads can run in p=
arallel.&nbsp;&nbsp;You can open multiple buffers and they all concatenate a=
utomatically, passing from one to another seamlessly as soon as&nbsp;each on=
e empties.&nbsp;&nbsp; In fact, for coherent, continuous, reading or writing=
 of wave data, ping-pong buffers have to be set up, so that one can be proce=
ssed while the other is read from or written to, &nbsp;to avoid missing samp=
les.&nbsp;&nbsp; Many software writers open multiple buffers within a progra=
mme so as to&nbsp;allow seamless interupt processing and allow user I/O. </d=
iv>

<div>Its not connected to the problem in hand.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com/"=
 target=3D"_blank">www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/1/29 James Moritz <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:james.moritz@btopenworld.com" target=3D"_blank">james.moritz@b=
topenworld.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Dear Lee, Graham, LF Group,<br><br=
>I did some experiments at M0LMH&#39;s suggestion (see below)... I think thi=
s is what he meant. Perhaps the results are also of interest to &nbsp;people=
 in the Group who have experience of writing DSP software for the PC.<br>
<br>The top trace in the attachment has the same WSPR beacon message as last=
 night with normal windows clock settings.<br><br>The middle trace shows the=
 effect of retarding the windows clock by roughly one minute, while transmit=
ting. The current sequence continues until its normal ending, but when the e=
ven minute occurs on the re-set clock, a new sequence begins as well, so for=
 a while there are two overlapping frames. After that, frames are generated=20=
normally, according to the RTC timing. At the moment you make the clock adju=
stment, the time display in WSPR stops incrementing until the windows clock=20=
has &quot;caught up&quot;, when it starts incrementing again normally.<br>
<br>When the clock is advanced by one minute roughly (lower trace), the curr=
ent frame continues and terminates normally. There is then a gap until the n=
ext even minute of about 1 minute, when the next frame is generated accordin=
g to the RTC time setting.<br>
<br>I suppose this shows that transmission of a frame is initiated by the re=
al time clock reaching an even minute, but once started, the generation and=20=
timing of the bits in the frame is independent of the RTC, although it does=20=
not tell us how that timing is achieved. Also, the fact that the time displa=
y in WSPR stops when you retard the clock, and that a new frame can be start=
ed in the middle of an existing frame, would seem to show WSPR is continuous=
ly looking at the RTC data.<br>
<br>The really funny thing is that two frames can be occuring at the same ti=
me. That would seem to suggest that more than one instance of the tone gener=
ation algorithm is in existence at once! Curious, but perhaps not connected=20=
to the problem in hand...<br>
<br>Cheers, Jim Moritz<br>73 de M0BMU<br><br>----- Original Message ----- Fr=
om: &quot;Lee Hudson&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hudsonville@btinternet.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">hudsonville@btinternet.com</a>&gt;<br>To: &quot;&#39;Jame=
s Moritz&#39;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:james.moritz@btopenworld.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">james.moritz@btopenworld.com</a>&gt;; &quot;&#39;Graham&#39;&q=
uot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">g8fzk@=
g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:18 PM<br>Subject: WSPR Timing issue<br><b=
r><br>Hi Jim, Graham,<br><br>I&#39;ve been having more thoughts on Grahams t=
iming issue, and there are a few<br>possibilities.<br><br>Firstly assuming G=
raham has been receiving reports that he is on his<br>
frequency from trusted sources then we can rule out sample rate error.<br>Th=
e crystal on the sound card would have to be a long way out to cause such<br=
>a problem.<br>I believe Graham tried two different sound cards with no chan=
ge.<br>
<br>The second possibility is the the RTC on his PC is fast, again looking a=
t<br>the reports from last night there does seem to be some drift but defina=
tely<br>not enough do be worried over.<br>And also I&#39;m sure the time of=20=
transmission start was the same from the even<br>
minute epoch.<br><br>This leaves a third posibility I think from recalling P=
C architecture and<br>that there is a Timer chip, this from memory is clocke=
d from a separate<br>crystal to the RTC and certainly remote from the sound=20=
card. Some PCs use<br>
this crystal also for producing the multiplied up CPU clocks etc.<br><br>Poi=
nt being here is that the Timer is what dictates any functions requiring<br>=
sub second interval timing, and is used by windows for task switching etc.<b=
r>
<br>It all boils down to how the WSPR software derrives its timing to decide=
<br>when the transition of a bit occurs.<br>I looked carefully at Jim compar=
ision image, to first check if a bit had<br>actually been dropped somewhere,=
 and I can&#39;t see one.<br>
<br>If I had written the software I would have used the RTC time to decide w=
hen<br>to start the transmission.<br>Then I would have used the sample rate=20=
as the main source of timing from<br>that point on until the end, even if co=
mpensating for a sample rate error.<br>
<br>In my opinion I think the RTC is used to start the transmission, and no=20=
real<br>error here.<br>The frequency of transmission I&#39;m assuming is als=
o correct, and no real<br>error from the sound card side.<br><br>However if=20=
the timing mechanism used to decide when a bit is over and shift<br>
frequency is related to the Timer, this is where the issue may really lie.<b=
r>Especially if this is how the software is written.<br>Using Windows Timers=
 can yeild incremental timing issues too, and this may<br>be a manifestation=
 also.<br>
<br>One final thought that crossed my mind, is that Graham my be using a GPS=
<br>signal to keep his PC RTC updated or possibly an NTP server.<br>From rea=
ding deep and dark Microsoft helpfiles this does also affect how<br>windows=20=
maintains it&#39;s internal time derived from the Timer, this it keeps<br>
separate from the RTC, but occasionally makes an alignment change.<br><br>If=
 this is the case and Graham is updating his Clock say every second from a<b=
r>GPS, then this could be enough to cause the incremental error.<br>Simple t=
est here would be to disconnect any external time influence and see<br>
if things improove.<br><br>My gut feeling here is that it is really a softwa=
re issue, and not related<br>to the hardware as such.<br>Some may be caused=20=
by Windows itself not being overly well designed for<br>timing purposes.<br>
Second the WSPR software not using the most reliable method for timing<br>th=
ings.<br><br>It could be worth another test for Jim to see what happens when=
 you locally<br>generate a signal and then wind the clock forward say 1 minu=
te.<br>
Record one test normally, then anothor test with the time step introduced.<b=
r>Does the data output as before and complete a full 2 minute cycle<br>Or do=
es it truncate the data period skipped and finish on scheduled time<br>
according to the clock.<br>Or does it truncate the data at the end.<br>This=20=
will give some clue as to how the data bits themselves are timed.<br>Be intr=
esting also to time step backwards too!!<br><br>Cheers,<br>Lee.<br><br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 03 January 2009 21:04
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240

 

Mal,

 

I admit, not nearly as many as you.

 

But why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don't do it
your way it isn't correct.

 

I would be much nicer to advise & help others, don't you think?

 

I remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me & it was good advice,
I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:48
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: QRS 240

 

29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your score.

g3kev

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>  

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 

Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM

Subject: LF: RE: QRS 240

 

LF,

 

Oh my god, he's doing it on 136KHz now !!!

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 


  _____  


From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:22
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: QRS 240

 

Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot
!!!.Think how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB
on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1

g3kev

 


  _____  



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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>It would
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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Gary.<o:=
p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
t></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
me>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gary - G4WGT<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 03 January 2009 21:04<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"o=
n">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS=20=
240</span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Mal,<o:p=
></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I admit,
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>But why
do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don&#8217;t do it y=
our
way it isn&#8217;t correct.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I would
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</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I
remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me &amp; it was good advic=
e,
I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?<o:p></o:p></=
span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Gary
&#8211; G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
t></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
me>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>mal <st1:place w=
:st=3D"on"><st1:City  w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:City></st1:place><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 03 January 2009 20:48<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"o=
n">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: Re: RE: QRS 240<=
/span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your=20=
score.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>g3kev</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=3D2 face=3DA=
rial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Fro=
m:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk" title=3D"g4wg=
t@tiscali.co.uk">Gary - G4WGT</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=
=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font si=
ze=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Satu=
rday, January
03, 2009 8:28 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font=
 size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> L=
F: RE: QRS 240<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>LF,<o:p>=
</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Oh my
god, he&#8217;s doing it on 136KHz now !!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Gary -
G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
t></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
<a href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl=
acksheep.org</a>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>mal <st1:place w=
:st=3D"on"><st1:City  w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:City></st1:place><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 03 January 2009 20:22<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: QRS 240</span></=
font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending=20=
at qrs240
sec dot !!!.Think how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is=20=
no
QSB on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1</span>=
</font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>g3kev</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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Dear LF Group,

I plan to operate the WSPR beacon again on 503.51kHz +/- RF (0.502MHz "dial 
frequency") from around 2200utc. Any reports would be very welcome.  The TX 
will be on 33% duty cycle, so if anyone else wants to join in, I should be 
able to give reports too.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Just started receiving decodes...

090128 0440   3 -26  0.6   0.508509  WE2XGR FN31 57          0  5262    0
090128 0442   6 -24  0.9   0.508509  WE2XGR FN31 57          0     1    0
090128 0444   4 -26  0.8   0.508509  WE2XGR FN31 57          0   350    0
090128 0448   6 -25  0.7   0.508509  WE2XGR FN31 57          0     6    0
090128 0452   8 -23  0.8   0.508509  WE2XGR FN31 57          0     1    0
090128 0454   5 -24  0.8   0.508509  WE2XGR FN31 57          0     1    0


73 John / VE7BDQ  CN89LA



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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
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Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you 
cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - 
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


>A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>
> OLIVIA :
> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<Uq
> 8
> &F=44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd 
> gnbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z!
}dL6=vh=Ht*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb
S g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>
>
> MFSK8
> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  Ã™*BwkiroN9 -inÃ°?SdÃ›4Â¿hIa lr
> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog  rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez;  uETqioB Vae   n Ct W
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> a IÂ¤narLxÃ½ikc igq'<anel6
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> DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
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> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x pÃ¢pg H Jant0n9Â¨jÂ·eoet n
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> aÂ± rotet aÃœ Foe2_vlÂ§msÃ­ tÃŒk  t= lÃ… edCQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J Â«Ã²ee
> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=tedzqhdfdelie nU
>
>
>
> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>
> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>


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--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com> wrote:

> The straightforward way toapply this to WSPR would be to
> have one PC running SpecLab, and use an oldfashioned audio
> cable to feed the DAC audio output to a second PC running
> the WSPR decoder.
> 
> Best wishes
> Markus, DF6NM
> 


If your computer is fast enough, you can do this with a single
computer and 2 soundcards of different manufacture. This is what
I do. I run Win98SE with a Soundblaster, and a Realtek card. I 
had to disable the on board sound in the BIOS before this approach
would work properly. It always tried to default to the onboard
sound and would not recognize the other soundcards. Now, I can
run a DSP filter, or SpecLab from one card as input, feed the output
as WAVE to the other card, use it to feed Spectran, WOLF, WSPR, etc.
I have not been able to get this approach to work with ARGO because 
it always defaults to the input card.

73::


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN.
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 184.322 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35* 43' 54" - W:  84* 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr





      


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Hi Andrey,

this has been mentioned before - have you checked your ADC samplerate? See http://www.wsprnet.org/drupal/node/339. If tx and rx 
samplerate deviated by say only 0.3% (ie. 36 Hz from 12 kHz), the bit timing would have shifted by half a symbol duration at the end 
of the 162 bit message. I started having doubts about my own DAC rate when Graham reported negative decoding, but the TX audio 
frequency seems to be correct to within a fraction of a Hz. You could roughly check the rx samplerate by injecting a known 1.5 kHz 
tone and use WSPR spectrogram which resolves ~ 0.1%. Regarding other digital modes, I recall that samplerate was very critical for 
WOLF which relies on a coherent bit frame over a long integration period. On the other hand, it's not much of an issue for PSK31 
which is "freerunning" only for a few symbols.

The maximum tolerable PC clock error between tx and rx seems to be 2.2 seconds. This was the last displayed dt offset before I lost 
track of Jim's consistent signal the other morning. My PC clock is slightly slow and would need resetting more often. But you 
mentioned you have that under tight control.

The WSPR program does not seem to be disturbed or overloaded by strong out-of band signals. Inserting a 200 Hz filter before the 
decoder made no difference at all, even though the total audio power was reduced by 20 or 30 dB. I also did not see any degradation 
when I used very low audio levels. The WSPR spectrogram seems to have a display leveling similar to the Argo AGC option, as the 
colours do not change when the audio gain is varied.

Best wishes
Markus, DF6NM

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Hello Johan, James, LF,
Many thanks for the help! Yesterday WSPR-signal DF6NM
passed here from time to time much more strongly, than the day
before yesterday. But decoding still was not. I have installed WSJT7.
If again the result is negative, the problem most likely in a sound card
means. Though to this case without problems decoded any amateur
digital protocols.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV




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Roger on the Sparks Quiz, Mal...

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I'll copy ur tfc and raise you one 'Aircraft Radiotelegraph Endorsement'

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  Printed in 1939 for WIRELESS OPERATORS. Find out all about the requirement=
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Only seeing Jim at the moment. No sign of G4JNT

73s Dave G3WCB IO91RM

192159   6 -14  1.9    -9  0  M0BMU IO91 30         
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Jim's just moved up.

Gay - G4WGT.

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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:59:30 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Andy, LF,
> 
> Just got a decode on new frequency but had not changed WSPR settings
> so it will report incorrect for 1st decode.
> 
> Gary - G4WGT.
> 
>

And it looks like Jim's stayed down on 502 - being reported by Mark and
OH8HTG.

That'll please the nay-sayers - WSPR spreading all over the band!

Off out for a few hours, will leave RX running on 502.400

Cheers,

John




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Dear LF Group,

Thanks for the reports on the WSPR beacon signals overnight. There was a 
power cut here starting at about 0040utc, and the beacon was QRT until 0336. 
It was then transmitting again until closing down about 0800utc this 
morning.

I will try operating split frequency again on 502.4kHz "dial frequency", 
503.9kHz RF TX, and receiving on 507kHz "dial frequency" to try to copy 
WE2XGR/2. Any reports would be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Hi Jim
You are doing well on 137 khz. There appears to be more acty and reporting 
than on 500 khz.
We all used to do well on 137 across to the USA. There could be a revival on 
this band, maybe I should fire the TX up and see what is going on.
73 gl de mal/g3kev

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From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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Subject: Re: LF: WSPR beacon on 136kHz


> Dear LF Group,
>
> Thanks for all the reports - The M0BMU WSPR beacon is still running, and
> will probably QRT at around 0100utc.
>
> So far the reports this evening have been from (in no particular order)
> F1AFJ, GM4SLV, DF6NM, DL4YHF, F5WK, LA9BEA, F4DTL, DK6NI, G4FDD, F4EMV,
> I2PHD, G3WCB and IK1ODO. Many thanks to all - It is good to see some calls
> who are not previously "known" on LF.
>
> I would be interested to try another 136k WSPR session during daylight -
> bearing in mind the long ground wave range on 136k, and the relatively low
> QRN during the day, I think results could be good. Perhaps this weekend.
>
> John - your lack of trees is not such a bad thing on 136k, where they soak
> up a lot of your TX power. In the experiments I did about a year ago, I
> found that an inv L antenna that was nearly identical to the antenna I am
> using now except that it was in the middle of a field, was 24 times as
> efficient as my home antenna, which is surrounded by assorted trees and
> buildings ( it was 6 times more efficient on  500k). So you might not need 
> a
> tall antenna to get a reasonable signal in your treeless landscape. True, 
> I
> am also using quite high power, but then looking at the SNR figures on 
> your
> spots, there is about 10 - 20dB margin over the minimum possible SNR for
> decoding. so you could probably get away with less power too.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>


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Hi All.
capture DTL 137KHZ
Henny pa3cpm
73s
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Dear LF Group,

I will be running the WSPR beacon again tonight on the same settings as 
before; 502kHz "dial frequency", RF out on 503.51kHz +/-, 1W ERP, 33% 
transmit. It will be QRV from around 2200utc and hopefully run overnight. As 
always, any reports would be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Hi Laurence!

Now: RA3YO & UA4WPF dfcw240

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QSW for DF6NM DFCW on 136.309kHz  w/capture on for the evening...


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From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 138.830


> Dear Dave, LF Group
>
> That is DCF39, a utility in DL, with around 40kW ERP. It is quite a good 
> indicator for trans-atlantic propagation. The breaks are short bursts of 
> FSK data.
>
> The best QRG depends on what you want to collect. DF6NM is operating DFCW 
> on about 136.309kHz at the moment. I will probably be running the WSPR 
> beacon again in a few minutes on 137.5kHz. Other frequencies/modes can be 
> arranged...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:19 PM
> Subject: LF: 138.830
>
>
> I have a sig ( carrier with quick break ) on 138.830 ( dcf39??) that is 
> 30db above my noise and it keys a carrier with a break about every 10 
> seconds with occasional short breaks, something like NIST on 60kc. but 
> slower...
>
> What do I have??
>
> Where is best QRG for collecting EU ham sigs??
>
>
>
> TNX
>
> Dave - WD2XSH/17
>
>
> 



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ref: www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP109.jpg

Hi Dave, Lowfers,

If you wouldn't mind, can you give us a more detailed pix
and/or description of the coupling.  It looks like you've
got a series tuned circuit at the end of the feeders?
How is it coupled to the rig?  Thanks in advance.

73, J.B., VE3EAR

=

Howdy, JB

I hope to have spelled it out better with this version. It is as simple as I 
can undertand and works DX.
Between it and the SDR-IQ RX could copy QRG of the SAQ Alternator revs.
Yes, that in fig. 1A is a series tuned circuit which includes the 'Pennant' 
LOOP and all of it is a part of the RFPA tank.
The 6 turns are about optimal for TX coupling @ 600M so I just tune out the 
X component with the vacuum cap. to zero...
Happy TX, no red plates on high power... But don't forget the OB2 regulator 
across the 10' RX loop twin lead as first stage protection or else no more 
J310s as they go POOF...
See also other forms of feed that me think and Bill Ashloop, WE2XGR/4 said 
to try.
In RX it acts as a transformer primary which can be tuned from 10kc, 24kc., 
60kc, 137kc., 185kc., NDBs, 600M etc. with the help of the 4 total parallel 
decade cap boxes which give 0-1.111 mfd of cap in 100 pf bytes...
I always wanted a 0-1mfd variable, affordable, but don't do too much TX with 
it or you'll be back on e-bay for a replacement...

=

Dave
Although the smaller antennas work I have found the signals are well down
compared  to the larger wire antennas.
My 40 metre resonated loop on 500 Kcs   is not as good as the 1/4 wave inv
L, also I have noticed small loops in the target direction are well down on
the bigger wire antennas. I am talking about weak signal detection.
de mal/g3kev

=

I agree, Mal, and that is why I had to do something about the 10' loop being 
kinda deaf but at least it got rid of some noise...
So I added the parasitic loop around it ( and it then doubled as good TX 
antenna as well ) and the RX now needs more local noise abatement than more 
gain. This is the best I have tried to date, now for a phased e-probe way 
out in the woods... Hopefully by this season end...
I guess you could call this a large wire loop ( 430' around )... I can see 
where the 65' vertical section is the only real useful part...
At least 3db isn't going in to the soil or for making plasma on the high far 
end...

=

Hi Dave, thanks for the post.  Nothing like a discussion about simple
antennas which work magically :-)
Your sketch shows a short at the point where the 1' wide feedline
connects to the loop (if I interpret it correctly).  May I safely
assume that's an oversight and not some fancy hairpin matching device?

=

Yes, simple or I don't get the hang of em...  Magic? Seems more like FM...
Yes, the 'tune' modulation goes from 10kc to HF, even 6M. Above 6M is where 
that shunt 'L' is used...
You had me worried about that short so I measured the .jpg and it was over 
10megohms, guess I got lucky this time, but have since replaced it with an 
air insulator..
No wonder they couldn't copy me up in VE2/3 land...  Or cuz that is 
broadside??
Sure wish I knew how to tangle with EL-NEC... I see a weak doughnut coming 
out of the 65' vertical and the other two wires wasting power straight up 
and down but necessary for the 'end feed'...
Tell you what I'll do...  Come the proper Lunar SHA and DEC I will power up 
with 1296 blunderbus when the moon is target for that VEE on the right hand 
side....  Will it echo??

10kc. to 1296 mhz. and reaching...

Next stop, ANOTHER parallel loop made of 500' of Andrew 400 heliax, new from 
local dump... Parallel loops lower R, yes??
3 element loop??  What would I ever do without a good 60 pounder compound 
bow ...
How about a triplexed 137-185-505 TX loop... Look @ the wire you'd save...

GI4DPE, M0BMU, G3KEV, SK6RUD, SM6BHZ, DI2AM seem to come thru good any night 
that they are on...
Sometimes noise + 2db and sometimes WAY up out of the noise in 20s-30s 
DBs...

Best regards and straight ARGO lines to ALL,

Dave ( in the Colonies ) WD2XSH/17

* All with proper TNX to Reggie@BO, Bill Ashloop and Bill DeCarle without 
whose mind prodding I might still be on 80M 2IQ BPSK...

CQ EU  ( RX only, mind you ) I don't wish to be sent to Coventry...



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Condx hung in there for another two hours after that capture...then went downhill. 

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> 
> Looking good so far. Will see how the signal looks overnight.
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> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


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Now g4wgt has appeared
204600 8 -12 -0.1-47 0 g4wgt io83 3

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  Getting a wspr decode
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And a good part of our solar system would be in the near field.
Mal would have to contact Pluto before he could claim a DX ;-)

73, Rik  ON7YD


>> John wrote:
>>>
>>> 1.9mhz - now what sort of signalling rate can you get on 160Gm?
>>>
>>> John F5VLF
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ;o)
>> Need a pretty decent antenna length for that, right ?
>> And just consider the 1/f noise in the milliHertz receiver - use liquid
>> helium cooling for the frontend ;-)
>>
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Dear John, LF Group,

Most of these "EMC" cores are made of something similar to Fair-Rite #43 
material, with mu of around 850. They will work quite well at LF and MF, 
although a given size of core will require about 1.5 times as many turns as 
the "traditional" 3C85/90/95 etc materials to get the same inductance. 
Unfortunately, the distributors have only heard of ferrite cores being used 
to put on cables to supress noise, so they don't know much about materials, 
and usually classify according to size, and, if you are lucky, impedance in 
the HF/VHF range, which is not very relevant to LF.

You can make a reasonably accurate determination of the permeability by 
measuring the inductance of a core wound with several turns to get AL = L / 
n^2, The formula relating AL, mu, cross-sectional area, and magnetic path 
length is

AL = 4pi * 100 * mu *A/l

with cross sectional area of the magnetic path A in square metres, and 
magnetic path length l in metres  (in the case of toroidal shapes, this is 
roughly the average of the inner and outer circumferences of the core), and 
mu is the relative permeability.

Once you know what permeability you have, you can be fairly sure behaviour 
will be near to that of a material with similar mu in one of the 
manufacturer's catalogues, e.g. Ferroxcube or Fair-Rite

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Hi Warren,
nice capture xgj
henny cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 31-01.jpg

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Warren,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>nice capture xgj</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende 
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hi all,
capture xgj
henny
cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
xgj 10-01.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture xgj</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende 
bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:<BR>xgj 10-01.jpg<BR><BR>Opmerking: 
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With this talk of grabbers, I'm surprised no one saw my experimental
SMT Hell Tx earlier this evening (around 1830 - 2000) on G3YXM's
grabber.
Having resurrected the code for a direct DDS driver that had been used
quite a lot on 73kHz a decade ago, I was experimenting with
bandwidths, pixel durations and fonts that would print well on that
grabber.

The best combination seemed to be 400 - 800Hz total frequency width,
with a horizontal pixel spacing of 0.1 to 0.3s and a thin (raster
type) font.  I'll probably be on again tomorrow, unless there's so
much activity this wide signal would cause QRM.

Not sure its a particularly good mode for weak signals though.  On
73kHz I was using very narrow shifts (5 - 20Hz wide) and testing it
against SlowCW modes. Seem to recall the consensus was divided on
which was more useful.  Could go narrower, but the grabber couldn't be
used to resolve it.

It was interesting, though, that for all that time the two Eu beacons
around 505kHz showed stronger on that grabber than I did.  Possibly
just an illusion as my signal was spead out and the beacons were
concentrated on a single pixel.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


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LF, transmitting now. CW on 136.40kHz.

Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> LF, Hello all!
>
> I plan to run a test transmission on 136kHz during Friday, Saturday and
> Sunday
> night. The setup is very preliminary/temporary and can not be left unatten=
ded
> for longer periods. The unprotected ATU has to be brought indoors when not=
 in
> use. We expect cold dry weather for the weekend so it should survive while=
 in
> use. The estimated ERP based on tests made yesterday is only 20mW. This
> figure
> does not include absorption in nearby objects.
>
> Initially the transmission will be CW only but QRSS3 with CW ID will follo=
w
> as
> soon as I have the ON7YD keyer software and interface set up.
>
> Antenna: Inverted-L 15m high with 35m horizontal wire. 20 radials 5-25m lo=
ng,
> half of them terminated in 0.5m deep earth rods. Rtot estimated to roughly
> 100ohms.
> ATU: Variometer + large loading coil
> TX: Keyed 1W 50ohm DDS signal generator feeding a pair of parallell 807's=20=
in
> class AB1 trough a wideband 1:5 voltage stepup transformer providing 80Vp-=
p
> for
> the control grids. Classic parallel tuned tank with adjustable coupling co=
il.
> Power output is measured to 65W at 810V/150mA on the plates.
>
> Unless I receive other suggestions for the QRG that will enable QRM-free Q=
RSS
> reception for interested stations the frequency will be 136.40kHz.
>
> I can not receive on 136kHz during this test. I will inform when QRV/QRT.
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
>
>
>
>
>
>




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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:00:32 +0100
"Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com> wrote:

> Good evening Alberto,
> 
> great, someone's out there watching! A good reason to switch it back
> on for another hour or so.
> 

Hello Markus, LF,

Yes, please switch on again, I'll watch now, from Shetland,

73

John GM4SLV


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Provided the software uses 'proper' windows calls to the RS232 port
and doesn't try to do anyhing clever (or ancient) it shoud work fine.

Make sure your USB serial interface is a full external COM port and
provides the correct polarity output,  not a 5V logic level version.
Someof those supplied by FTDIchip are the latter.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
> Sent: 09 January 2009 21:27
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> Hi All,
>
>
>
> This may have been asked before.
>
>
>
> Will a USB to RS232 adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware
> interface. My PC has only 1 RS232 port & no empty PCI slots.
>
>
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> 73,
>
>
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.


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Hi!

Really nice radio reception of Hellissandur 189kHz AM now in Berlin! 
distance is 2505km
Power 300kW
RX: TRF with MK484-IC,
selection: one bandfilter and tuned antenna = 3 tuned cicuits

I admit that I was out on the balcony after local midnight last night.
Using a ladder and a looong fishing rod I managed to set up a wire loop 
from the balcony into the nearby tree with an estimated area 
of 30sqm (irregular shape), pointing Iceland.

Good night!
Dennis


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This band seems to have gone vy quiet again after a burst of recent acty. No=
t even a grabber active.

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On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:14:03 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
> 
> Am now running the WSPR beacon again on 136.0kHz "dial frequency",

Jim, LF,

I'll stop the Spec Lab capture looking for OH1LSQ and have a look for
your WSPR, to compare to the last 2 night's results.

Cheers,

John
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Gary,

I would think that in the original concept of the software,  600 and 1200 
mtrs may not of figured too highly, if  a tall ?
as such most  Hf stations will have arrays with similar conversion 
efficiency's , dipole at 2.3 db 1/4 1.~  db  beam with 3 to 5 dbi , only a 
few db's spread and  nothing like the negative gain of  vlf arrays , my 35 
ft lop load  is like using a 18 inch vertical on 7 mhz ? (must try that one 
day)

So declaring the feed power on hf is  reasonable with only say 6 db of error 
?

G ..

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>
> Graham, LF,
>
> I do agree that ERP is more meaningful & as Mal & Andy stated it is the
> criteria with which the licence is approved.
>
> My comment was to follow the WSPR recommended method as adopting ERP would
> mean there are two "standards".
>
> I ERP is adopted for LF then it should be international & not just UK, so 
> an
> official announcement by the main WSPR group would be required.
> Comments please.
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 25 January 2009 20:29
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
> Gary,
>
> I don't think a guard band is really needed as if you set the centre 
> carrier
>
> frequency to  503.9 , then operating at the extreme edges is not really
> possible, you're  right on the edge of the waterfall. the deviation is 
> only
> round  6 hz
>
> Re power .. I would say, the erp  is the most meaningful,  actual  power
> supplied to the antenna without the performance data of the array doesn't
> really mean too much ?
>
> G ..
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:11 PM
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> Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top part
>> of
>> the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a
>> 200Hz
>> slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
>> 503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.
>>
>> My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 503.550KHz
>> data.
>>
>> Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Gary - G4WGT
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
>> Sent: 25 January 2009 18:32
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move
>> to
>>
>> the band edge without problems
>> clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down
>>
>> With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a
>> reasonable
>> concept as it will allow other 'casual'
>> monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post
>> needed
>> to  announce a test !
>>
>> What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or 
>> just
>> sleeping ?
>>
>> G ..
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:04 PM
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
>>> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>>>
>>> Oh no!
>>>
>>> Please let's not get into this again....
>>>
>>> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
>>> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>>>
>>> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
>>> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
>>> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>>>
>>> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
>>> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
>>> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>>>
>>> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>>>
>>> John
>>> GM4SLV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Hello Wolf ,

Wolfgang B=FCscher a =E9crit :
> Phew, what a beautiful clean "Loran curtain" ;-)
> Wish I had such a QRM-free place for reception somewhere around here !
>
> 73,
> Wolf
> (still battling the local QRM. But the only chance seems to be=20
> flipping the ground fault circuit interrupters in the neighbouring=20
> houses... harr harr )
If I understand well , I am very favoured not to have a more local QRN !=20
for 9 months I systematically put at fault the jammer by making a =93tune=
=94=20
on 7 MHz before bringing the grabber into service each evening ! The=20
jammer was replaced and I am quiet ! But how long will that last ? Now I=20
manage to see the lines of the loran of Lessay (350km) in qrss3 and they=20
is super !!!!!


73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj


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Hello LF

Will continue the transmission on 136.80kHz over the evening and night.


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD


Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> Hello LF!
>
> Transmitting CW ID + QRSS3 ID on 136.80kHz.
>
>
> Again, thanks for all reports on last night's activity.
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
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>




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Thanks John,

looks like that signal would print rtty !

wspr looks to  be ok at the moment .. only +1 hz

soundcard  sample was rate slightly out ..

pity wspr doesn't have a cal facility ??

G ..

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>
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:48:55 +0000
> John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> If anyone has a desire for remote grabber then let me know and I'll
>> set it up for the period of your tests.
>
>
> Since it's possible to run WSPR and Spec Lab concurrently I'm running a
> grabber on 500kHz too
>
> Spectrum range shown will be 503 - 505.300 (to include the various
> beacons)
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> upload at 5 minute intervals to
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> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_500.jpg
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> Cheers,
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> John
> GM4SLV
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>



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Dear LF Group,

The attached bit of spectrogram was set up for QRSS3 reception and shows 2 
succesfully decoded WSPR transmissions from G4WGT at -30 and -27dB SNR 
respectively. I think this shows that this mode should compete well with 
QRSS3 for readibility.

So far, I have:

1654   1  0.6   0.503500  0 G4JNT IO90 30
1752 -28  1.0   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
1758 -30  1.0   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
1810 -30  1.1   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
1814 -27  0.9   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 

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Mal,

 

You had me worried there! I thought my grabbers were not operating but I
just checked & yes they are running OK at :-

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html

 

and

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html

 

Cheers,

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 24 January 2009 17:50
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Subject: LF: LOW ACTY LF/MF

 

Acty vy low at present on LF/MF considering we are in the middle of Winter
and the DX season.

Even the GRABBERS have gone QRT !!!!

de mal/g3kev

 


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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>You had
me worried there! I thought my grabbers were not operating but I just checke=
d
&amp; yes they are running OK at :-<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
me>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>mal <st1:City w:=
st=3D"on"><st1:place  w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:place></st1:City><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 24 January 2009 17:50<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: LOW ACTY LF/MF</=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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in the
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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Paul
Your freq is too low because of the qrm around 136 khz. A better freq would 
be 136.5 or higher.
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ


Thanks for the report Mal!

Happy to send some lower frequency signals back in return for all those 
received
on 600 metres. Looks like the OH-G path is still in the same good shape it 
used
to be when Reino was still active on the band.

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Paul
> Good copy ere now OOO at 2048 utc have good photo
> mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:17 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
>
>
> Thanks for the screenshot Jim!
>
> Amazing, I thought it would take more to make it down there. It is good to
> be
> back on 136 after a 12 year break. My best DX back then was the Karlsborg
> expedition in Sweden (7S6SAJ)
>
> 73's
>
> Paul-Henrik
>
> Quoting James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
>
> > Dear Paul-Henrik,
> >
> > Now copying your QRSS3 - see attachment. Signal is recovering from QSB.
> >
> > Cheers, Jim Moritz
> > 73 de M0BMU
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Hi All,

capture XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
73s
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I deduce that my (fairly) frequent transmissions on MF may be causing
some annoyance and inconvenience to local stations.

Consequently I shall be QRT on 500 kHz for the remainder of this month.
This will give local stations an opportunity to use=C2=A0a quiet band withou=
t
G3XIZ QRM.

I must report that sadly Adrian G4GDR has dismantled his MF equipment
and=C2=A0returned his N.O.V.=C2=A0to OfCom.
He was an active and keen MF operator and constructor but has lost interest=20=
due
to lack of activity.
I for one will miss him.

73 Chris G3XIZ


=C2=A0



________________________________
From: Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 5 January, 2009 22:22:55
Subject: RE: LF: Re: Silent majority

=EF=BB=BF=20
Dear LF,=20
=C2=A0
Geri DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 137 kHz=
 a few years back.=20
=C2=A0
Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler too=C2=A0;-)
=C2=A0
Follow the link below:-=20
=C2=A0
http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html
=C2=A0
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
=C2=A0
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org]On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 05 January 2009 02:37
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Silent majority


Hi LF=20
Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experimentation=20=
of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off the Int=
ernet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a 1000 w=
ords. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the world=
 by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.=C2=A0 The result may be a bit more i=
nteresting than the shopping lists of stations worked, equipment lists and r=
ig specifications that get churned out ad nauseamover the weekends.=20
I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op friends wo=
uld feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.=20
No, the above suggestion is ridiculous. It does however, Einstein, Planck et=
 al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum bandwidth for=
 the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band? =C2=A0I will s=
tart the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed with=20=
less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then hand=20=
shaking could be introduced to ensure error free data transfer a bit like X2=
5 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max. =C2=
=A0We need to think outside the box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable mode=
s onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co with all due respect to Alber=
to (who I admire immensely for his great innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT proc=
essing software) I think, =C2=A0is over the top. Nobody is into book burning=
 and denial of spectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play wi=
th here in the UK. =C2=A0I consider myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operato=
r not a
 highflying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D radio spectrum quantum mechanic, but=20=
I would hope we are trying to do more with less and I don=E2=80=99t think Ol=
ivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I would expec=
t one of the cardinal points in their specification, along with very narrow=20=
BW, to be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the effect on adjace=
nt stations not running that particular mode.=20
In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming there a=
re any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narrow ban=
d data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.=20
Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground.=20
Vy 73 petefmt=20

--- On Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:

From: Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
Subject: LF: Re: Silent majority
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM


Steve McDonald wrote:
>> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
>> taken place on MF.
>=20
> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
> Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
> wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
> What an amazing gift.
>=20
> VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD


     =20

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d><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;fo=
nt-size:12pt"><DIV>I deduce that my (fairly) frequent transmissions on MF ma=
y be causing</DIV>
<DIV>some annoyance and inconvenience to local stations.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Consequently I shall be QRT on 500 kHz for the remainder of this month.=
</DIV>
<DIV>This will give local stations an opportunity to use&nbsp;a quiet band w=
ithout</DIV>
<DIV>G3XIZ QRM.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I must report that sadly Adrian G4GDR has dismantled his MF equipment</=
DIV>
<DIV>and&nbsp;returned his N.O.V.&nbsp;to OfCom.</DIV>
<DIV>He was an active and keen MF operator and constructor but has lost inte=
rest due</DIV>
<DIV>to lack of activity.</DIV>
<DIV>I for one will miss him.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 Chris G3XIZ</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times=
, serif"><BR>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times=
, serif"><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>
<HR SIZE=3D1>
<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Dave G3WCB &lt;ganymed=
e444@btopenworld.com&gt;<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN><=
/B> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sen=
t:</SPAN></B> Monday, 5 January, 2009 22:22:55<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEI=
GHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: LF: Re: Silent majority<BR></FONT><BR>=
=EF=BB=BF=20
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Dear LF, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Geri DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 1=
37 kHz a few years back. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler too&nbsp;;-=
)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Follow the link below:-=20
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2><A href=3D"http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnof=
ollow>http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SPAN>=
</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2><A href=3D"http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnof=
ollow></A></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTahoma=
 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-rsgb_lf_group@bla=
cksheep..org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>=
M0FMT<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 January 2009 02:37<BR><B>To:</B> rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep..org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Re: Silent majority<BR><BR></FONT></D=
IV>
<TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 border=3D0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Hi LF</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experiment=
ation of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off t=
he Internet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a=20=
1000 words. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the=
 world by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.<SPAN>&nbsp; </SPAN>The result=20=
may be a bit more interesting than the shopping lists of stations worked, eq=
uipment lists and rig specifications that get churned out </FONT><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',=20=
'sans-serif'">ad nauseam</SPAN><FONT face=3DCalibri size=3D3> over the weeke=
nds.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op frie=
nds would feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3><U>No, the above suggestion is ridiculous.</U> It does however, Einste=
in, Planck et al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum=20=
bandwidth for the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band? <=
SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>I will start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than=20=
50c/s. G3PLX managed with less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN iss=
ue on this band then hand shaking could be introduced to ensure error free d=
ata transfer a bit like X25 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow band=
width say 50c/s max. <SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>We need to think outside the box and=
 not try to shoe horn unsuitable modes onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck=
 and co with all due respect to Alberto (who I admire immensely for his grea=
t innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT processing software) I think, <SPAN>&nbsp;<=
/SPAN>is over the top. Nobody is into book burning and denial of
 spectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play with here in the=
 UK. <SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>I consider myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operator=
 not a highflying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D radio spectrum quantum mechanic=
, but I would hope we are trying to do more with less and I don=E2=80=99t th=
ink Olivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I would=
 expect one of the cardinal points in their specification, along with very n=
arrow BW, to be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the effect on=20=
adjacent stations not running that particular mode.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming t=
here are any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narr=
ow band data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground=
.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Vy 73 petefmt</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <I>&lt;dibene@usa.=
net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: Alberto di Bene &lt;dibene@usa.net&gt;<BR>Subject=
: LF: Re: Silent majority<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Monda=
y, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Steve McDonald wrote:
&gt;&gt; There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
&gt;&gt; taken place on MF.
&gt;=20
&gt; There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now=
 as
&gt; Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
&gt; wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently do=
es.
&gt; What an amazing gift.
&gt;=20
&gt; VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science.... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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MessageGary,

Didn't know you could run usb with dos 6.2 ? ...

I run the ft897-d with a usb to what i assume is a rs232 adaptor , it connec=
ts usb to the rig directly with a min din plug  came from ebay ~ =A310 , onl=
y problem is , it jams 4 mtrs with a carrier on one of the fm channels .. I=20=
think it needed a driver to  be installed , it shows up as a 'com' port , ot=
her than that I have a pci / 2 com port card as well one feeds the pk232 and=
 the other acts as the t/r switch for data modes .. for some reason the moth=
er board com port would not communicate with the pk232=20

G ..=20



From: Lee Hudson=20
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:05 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: LF: RE: RS232 adapter


Hi Gary,

Should work.

My PC has zero RS-232 ports so I have to use them!

73,
Lee M0LMH.

  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: 09 January 2009 21:27
  To: LF -RSGB LF Group
  Subject: LF: RS232 adapter


  Hi All,

  =20

  This may have been asked before.

  =20

  Will a USB to RS232 adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware inte=
rface. My PC has only 1 RS232 port & no empty PCI slots.

  =20

  73,

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Gary,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Didn't know you could run usb with dos 6.2=20=
?=20
...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I run the ft897-d with a usb to what i assu=
me is a=20
rs232 adaptor , it connects usb to the rig directly with a min din plug=20
&nbsp;came from ebay ~ =A310 , only problem is , it jams 4 mtrs with a carri=
er on=20
one of the fm channels .. I think it needed a driver to&nbsp; be installed ,=
 it=20
shows up as a 'com' port , other than that I have a pci / 2 com port card as=
=20
well one feeds the pk232 and the other acts as the t/r switch for data modes=
 ..=20
for some reason the mother board com port would not communicate with the pk2=
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>G .. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dhudsonville@btinter=
net.com   href=3D"mailto:hudsonville@btinternet.com">Lee Hudson</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 09, 2009 10:05 PM</DIV>
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b_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: RS232 adapter</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=
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Gary,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2   face=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=
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work.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2   face=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=
=3DArial>My PC=20
has zero RS-232 ports so I have to use them!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2   face=
=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2   face=
=3DArial>73,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=
=3DArial>Lee=20
M0LMH.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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Dear Mal,
it seems for me, that Our band 136k is not anymore a challenge for us. I kno=
w that I have no more contacts=20
with DK 7 SU on Sunday morning, but now, as on new qth my station is qrv aga=
in I have tgried it little,=20
as there is nearly no activity in southern Germany. In good times there was=20=
qrss-cw and cw-activity=20
some times a week, and sunday morning too. I wish less beaconing, more exper=
iments and two-way contacts.

55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND
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> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> Gesendet: 12.12.08 19:59:57
> An: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Betreff: LF: 137 khz

I listen on 137 khz at times for CW acty and have not hrd any for a=20
> long time. I do not listen for qrs.
> A few years ago an effort was made to put out a good CW signal and I=20
> have worked 30 countries including Russia for example.Now is seems to=20
> be
>  LAZY MANS CW ONLY. What has gone wrong ?
> G3KEV
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First Linear data qso  G4WGT / G0NBD

=20

Congratulations are in order !=20

=20

Gary has successfully tested his home made HF to 500 Tx converter and 500 to=
 HF Rx converter this evening, utilising a TS440 as the primary driver and t=
he TS440 power amplifier , producing 20 watts on 500 Khz=20

=20

A good steady signal using PSK31 was received by myself  during a short exch=
ange of reports on 503.6 Khz .=20

=20

This now raises the number of station capable of transmitting all modes on 5=
00 to  three, notably each station deploying differing approaches.

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G0NBD           Refurbished Military and Marine=20

M0BMU         His own design Linear  class E system

G4WGT          Classic linear HF/MF  home made transverter



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<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB>Gary h=
as=20
successfully tested his home made HF to 500 Tx converter and 500 to HF Rx=20
converter this evening, utilising a TS440 as the primary driver and the TS44=
0=20
power amplifier , producing 20 watts on 500 Khz </SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN   lang=3DEN-GB><o:p=
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<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB>A good=
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503.6 Khz . </SPAN></P>
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differing approaches.</SPAN></P>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>Refurbished Military and Marine </SPAN></P>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>His=20
own design Linear <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>class E=20
system</SPAN></P>
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linear HF/MF <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>home made=20
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Dear John,

Have done so - it appears ther is a bit of overlap on the WSPR +/-100Hz 
"window" as displayed on the spectrogram, but it won't actually decode if 
not inside the window.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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>
> Hello LF,
>
> I'm also seeing what I believe to be M0BMU, but right at the bottom of
> the "window" and not decoding, despite a very strong trace.
>
> Jim. can you move up 50Hz or so? Say 503.550?
>
> 



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> Hi Laurence!
>
> Good signals from UA4WPF! 137777.2 dfcw120


and my traces!

> I'm beaconing 137778.25 dfcw120
>
> Dmitry
> RA3YO
>
> Laurence BY3A-KL1X China Ð¿Ð¸ÑˆÐµÑ‚:
>
>>
>> Ill have the China Grabber running my night time in the area of 
>> 137.777 dot 60 slow in about an hours time -
>>
>> My darkness period is now at 0847Z, till 2325Z. Though with this smog 
>> it might have set hours ago...
>>
>> http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg
>>
>> Laurence BY3A-KL1X OM89UA Tanggu NE China
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LF, Hello!

Thanks for reporting me too Mal!

The new message includes full callsign in QRSS3 to enable ID reception for t=
hose
seeing my dashes. Will run like this if the PSU doesn't overheat.

I did not expect results like this with such a low ERP, hence the step-by-st=
ep
perfection of the system. Thanks to all that have picked up the challenge!



73's

Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD

Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> LF, Hello!
>
> Many thanks to all that have reported and suggested so far. I will reply t=
o
> you
> later. I'm busy setting up and perfecting things at the moment :)
>
> New QRG as suggested by Jim: 136.35kHz
> New MSG to aid FFT reception: Id "VVV DE OH1LSQ OH1LSQ" in 12WPM + 2 9s
> dashes
> (TT in QRSS3). Cycle runs once a minute.
>
> When I'm confident the PSU makes it like this I can raise the odds by send=
ing
> full callsign in QRSS3.
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
>
>
> Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:
>
> > LF, transmitting now. CW on 136.40kHz.
> >
> > Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:
> >
> > > LF, Hello all!
> > >
> > > I plan to run a test transmission on 136kHz during Friday, Saturday an=
d
> > > Sunday
> > > night. The setup is very preliminary/temporary and can not be left
> > unattended
> > > for longer periods. The unprotected ATU has to be brought indoors when
> not
> > in
> > > use. We expect cold dry weather for the weekend so it should survive
> while
> > in
> > > use. The estimated ERP based on tests made yesterday is only 20mW. Thi=
s
> > > figure
> > > does not include absorption in nearby objects.
> > >
> > > Initially the transmission will be CW only but QRSS3 with CW ID will
> follow
> > > as
> > > soon as I have the ON7YD keyer software and interface set up.
> > >
> > > Antenna: Inverted-L 15m high with 35m horizontal wire. 20 radials 5-25=
m
> > long,
> > > half of them terminated in 0.5m deep earth rods. Rtot estimated to
> roughly
> > > 100ohms.
> > > ATU: Variometer + large loading coil
> > > TX: Keyed 1W 50ohm DDS signal generator feeding a pair of parallell 80=
7's
> > in
> > > class AB1 trough a wideband 1:5 voltage stepup transformer providing
> 80Vp-p
> > > for
> > > the control grids. Classic parallel tuned tank with adjustable couplin=
g
> > coil.
> > > Power output is measured to 65W at 810V/150mA on the plates.
> > >
> > > Unless I receive other suggestions for the QRG that will enable QRM-fr=
ee
> > QRSS
> > > reception for interested stations the frequency will be 136.40kHz.
> > >
> > > I can not receive on 136kHz during this test. I will inform when QRV/Q=
RT.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > >
> > > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> > > Vaasa / KP03SD
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>




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Yes, can't work out where the frequency shift came from.  I did
initially lock onto Jim's tramsission at the begining of each of his
overs, so I would indeed have jumped in freq a couple of times.
Subsequently 'Locked' the Tx frequency and Jim reported no more freq
changes from me after that, although he did end up a few Hz lower
still.

I was using Digipan software which is a bit too QSO-orientated and too
easy to shift frequency to follow others.  So it is quite possible to
end up chasing eachother up and down the band!
Perhaps it would have been better to use G3PLX's  'PSK31SBW' software
which puts precise frequency setting first and QSO mode gimmicks
second.

Anyway, I estimate somewhere between -7 to -4dBW, and will only know
better after some antenna base current measurements, rather than doing
it an the end of 20m of feeder in the shack.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/18 DENNIS EASTERLING <dennis.easterling@btinternet.com>:
> Monitored above contact Sunday 1530.
> M0BMUs signal so strong that I thought it was Chris G3XIZ about 1 km from me
> in Biggleswade testing RTTY at 23Hz shift.   Tried replying then realised it
> was PSK.   Switched to Digipan and would estimate M0BMU strength 9 and G4JNT
> strength 3 but  both perfectly readable.   I would confirm that G4JNT did
> drift slightly between overs.
>
> 73 Dennis M0JXM


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Dear LF enthusiasts and Laurence!

On http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg now (20z)
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Hi Warren,
capture XGJ

Henny pa3cpm
best 73s

Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 26-01.jpg

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henny pa3cpm</FONT></DIV>
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I have been looking around the various HF bands for NON MORSE acty and find=20=
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f other data modes are rare, perhaps more suited to V/UHF EME work etc.
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Jim, LF

Thanks for the report! Always good to get them, good or bad. Things have cha=
nged
a lot since my last presence on this band, now so much more feedback is
available almost real-time which helps a lot in setting up and evaluating a
system. Back in the 1990's it was more like shooting around in a dark room.=20=
My
ATU coil and antenna current meter are the same ones I used back then but
receiver and transmitters have changed.


73's and good luck with the WSPR operation.

Paul-Henrik


Quoting James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:

> Dear Paul-Henrik, Michel, LF Group,
>
> I just checked 136.8kHz, and OH1LSQ is a weak "M" copy signal here, just
> after dark. Will check again later.
>
> F5WK appeared on my WSPR log at 1504utc, and has been solid copy since the=
n.
> In fact, the signal is audible here at about S3 or 4. DF6NM has also been
> copied until 1718.
>
> I have now (1748utc) re-started the M0BMU WSPR beacon - any reports very
> welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>




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hi Joe,

verry verry litlle trace,

henny pa3cpm
73s

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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:59:39 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear John, LF Group,
> 
> Yes, that's me... copy is looking very patchy at your QTH tonight. I
> see the others are copying OK, from G3XVL at around +12dB SNR, down
> to the -20s by more distant stations, so there does not seem to be a
> problem with the transmitted signal. I seem to be copying everyone
> OK, except G0NBD - but there is a weak carrier here on about 503.950
> which is probably QRMing him. You haven't changed PC by any chance...
>

Hello Jim,

No, everything is as normal here - same hardware throughout.

The waterfall shows your signal as bright red, despite no decode. 
But... there's always a faint trace just a few Hz hf of you too, not
sure if it's being generated by you, or just coinicidence - nor if
that's the reason that you're not decoding. I normally have no problems
with you.

The 32:14 period had a bright trace from you, but no decode, and a much
fainter trace at 503.914 which decoded as G4WGT.

Could you move to 503.835 and see if the frequency separation between
you and Gary cures the decode failures?

John


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Hello Rik,
I compared also both programs and i like a bit more WSJT7, because it
has a real time spectrograph and measure in real time the audio input
level. As a disvantage unfortunately it has no upload function.

vy73
Marco
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Dear all,

last night I tried receiving WSPR using WSJT7.
It works fine, but I cannot find any "upload button".
Does WSJT7 (in WSPR mode) have an upload function ?

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Hi Jim, John, Graham, Gary, LF Group,

With one month remaining on the NoV (before renewal!!) I thought it time to
put the station on the air.
It's taken long enough to put it all together, from nothing!
My junk box doesn't normally contain much in the line of RF parts, HI.

So thought I have a try at WSPR and see who hears my mere 10mW first
transmission.

Well to be honest I'm most surprised with the reports from GM4SLV @
700miles.
Thanks for tuning down for a listen, John.

Apologies to Gary for transmitting on his frequency on the first
transmission.
I don't think we doubled as it turns out, since you gave me a report!!

I have an odd issue too with the sound card I use in that the TX/RX
frequencies are about 12Hz different,
But this is only when using the WSPR software.

Hence two corrections, first to line Jim up on RX then another to get my TX
frequency where I intended 503.930kHz.

Thanks go to those who have given words of advice from time to time over the
past 6 months.
And John Gould (RSGB HF Manager) for giving me some encouragement in the
first place to attempt the NoV application and also for giving it the once
over before it was officially posted.

73,
Lee M0LMH,
IO93gx



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 28 January 2009 00:29
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: M0LMH in WSPR had to look twice !


Thought I had a false decode of Jim .. but it was real hi

090128 0010  18 -13  0.9   0.503930  M0LMH IO93 10           0     1    0
090128 0012  34   3  0.6   0.503900  M0BMU IO91 30           0     1    0
090128 0018  30  -2  0.5   0.503900  M0BMU IO91 30           0     1    0
090128 0018  19 -11  0.8   0.503931  M0LMH IO93 10           0     1    0

Something is very wrong with the lf set up  I did not decode Gary all night
and not all of Jims signals decoded  either

So using the ft897-d with the ads/usb sound card , every trace is decoding
so .. looks like the sound card is the problem as the rx and tx had similar
problems ..

wonderful ...

G ..=20





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Yes Mal and the occasion for much celebration (not to mention relief!) here.

73 Warren K2ORS


On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:10 PM, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
> I went QRT for a while to watch the inauguration of the new PRESIDENT of the
> USA on CNN. This was a splendit  presentation. Well done UNCLE SAM
> Now back to LF CW, is there anyone QRV
>
> 73 De Mal/g3kev
>



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Entertainment has always been a big feature on MF, with characters like the=20=
Shetland'S ERP SNIFFER, and the Vancouver Wigwam.

HNY
G3KEV

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Hi All,

  Wishing you all a Very Happy New Year for 2009 with many thanks for the ed=
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  By the way, so that there is no confusion, I am not the Pat who is reporte=
d to be sending HNY PAT on another frequency.

  73 de Pat G4GVW
  qth nr Felixstowe, Suffolk (Coast of East Anglia)





  -----Original Message-----
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  To All,

  My best wishes and a Happy New Year to all on the LF Group.

  73,

  Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.


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Right on Pat!
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: g4gvw@aol.com=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


  Mal,

  Bearing in mind that I was born in 1943 and did the RAE when it required F=
ULL WRITTEN answers AND hand drawn circuits with worked calculations I consi=
der your remark suggesting an ability only to be able to cope with multiple=20=
choice exam papers to be an impertinence.

  It is probable that others may feel equally ill-disposed and consider your=
 remarks to be the inflammatory cause of some of the trading of insults.

  Seems my wish for a more adult and mannered 2009 did not last long!

  73 de Pat G4GVW  =20





  -----Original Message-----
  From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:59
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


  Stewart=20
  This is a simple exercise and NO ONE knows how to do it, plenty of comment=
s and deviations.=20
  An analogy=20
  =20
  1. Some HI TECH RAF pilots asked to fly a WW2 SPITFIRE and found it diffic=
ult and performed badly, needed training and tuition.=20
  =20
  2. Hi Performance students A + in their subjects could not pass a 1960 GCE=
 paper in maths and english.=20
  =20
  These were recent UK TV productions.=20
  =20
  RF engineers and improvisers are scarce it would appear both old and new.=20=
Digital and DC are abundant.=20
  =20
  Take away the Internet source, Maplins and Farnell and the electronics wor=
ld would collapse.=20
  =20
  g3kev=20
  =20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: "Stewart Bryant" <stewart@g3ysx.org.uk>=20
  To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:21 PM=20
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX=20
  =20
  > mal hamilton wrote:=20
  >> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have=20
  >> had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to=20
  >> submit a cct I will await replies.=20
  >=20
  > I think that we all give up - just tell us how to do it.=20
  >=20
  > Stewart/G3YSX=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Right on Pat!</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=3Dg4gvw@aol.com href=3D"mailto:g4gvw@aol.com">g4gvw@aol.com</A> <=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
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  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4=
:10=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Razor blade RX</DI=
V>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Mal,<BR><BR><FONT face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bearing in mi=
nd=20
  that I was born in 1943 and did the RAE when it required FULL WRITTEN answ=
ers=20
  AND hand drawn circuits with worked calculations I consider your remark=20
  suggesting an ability only to be able to cope with multiple choice exam pa=
pers=20
  to be an impertinence.<BR><BR>It is probable that others may feel equally=20
  ill-disposed and consider your remarks to be the inflammatory cause of som=
e of=20
  the trading of insults.<BR><BR>Seems my wish for a more adult and mannered=
=20
  2009 did not last long!<BR><BR>73 de Pat G4GVW &nbsp; </FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: mal hamilton=20
  &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Sent:=
=20
  Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:59<BR>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR><BR>
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=20
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ots=20
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  training and tuition.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>2. Hi Performance students A + in=
=20
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=20
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The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 2009

 

Quote-" A Pensioner who is almost completely paralysed has learned to
communicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.

Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his 79
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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knowledge of the code.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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hi joe,

nil on the screen,

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Hi Jim,

just installed WSPR 1.01, and read your signal on first try:

1952 -26  1.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
1956 -22  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23

Is it possible to tell WSPR to listen on a different audio center frequency, other than 1500 Hz?  At the moment, I have to 
workaround with SpecLab on another PC converting from 2000 Hz.

Kind regards
Markus, DF6NM


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> Dear LF Group,
>
> I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/- (136.0kHz "dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any 
> reports would be very welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> 



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Hi LF,

 

Interesting observation.

 

Tonight up to now I have only had one decode from Graham's WSPR & that was
when I had a high level of broadband noise here masking the signal.

 

I have just inserted some attenuation into the Rx antenna input so there is
no S meter movement on the signal. Now it appears to decode each time.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Interesting observation.<o:p></=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Tonight up to now I have only h=
ad one decode
from Graham&#8217;s WSPR &amp; that was when I had a high level of broadband
noise here masking the signal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>I have just inserted some atten=
uation into
the Rx antenna input so there is no S meter movement on the signal. Now it
appears to decode each time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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Certainly the first 'Amateur' QSO.

Gary - G4WGT wrote:
>
> *Hi Jay,*
>
> * *
>
> *Well OK then, first UK Olivia QSO!!!!!*
>
> * *
>
> *73*
>
> * *
>
> *Gary.*
>
> * *
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *jrusgrove@comcast.net
> *Sent:* 02 January 2009 21:44
> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> *Subject:* LF: Re: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???
>
>  
>
> WE2XGR/2 and WE2XGR/3 have QSOed in this mode on 500 kHz...and just 
> about all other modes as well...
>
>  
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:* Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>
>     *To:* LF -RSGB LF Group <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>
>     *Sent:* Friday, January 02, 2009 4:23 PM
>
>     *Subject:* LF: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???
>
>      
>
>     *Hi LF,*
>
>     * *
>
>     *Is this the first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??*
>
>     * *
>
>     * *
>
>     *CQ CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk*
>
>     * *
>
>     *CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  *
>
>     * CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  *
>
>     * CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nb*
>
>     * *
>
>     *m0bmu ... ok jim  uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu *
>
>     * *
>
>     *copy ok ???  how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok
>     Graham good copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to
>     figure out the software still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0nbd*
>
>     * *
>
>     *ok dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker !  *
>
>     * *
>
>     *fine copy 100%  what is your peak power o/p ????*
>
>     * *
>
>     *nice to  work you for the first time .. *
>
>     *hr running   30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti  pa block
>     .. multipsk ..*
>
>     * *
>
>     *ae  35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config*
>
>     * *
>
>     *ok ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still
>     good copy when ur sig barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m
>     high, 40m long inv L antenna from EER transverter and IC718 with
>     multipsk also. My ERP should be close to 1W BTU graham de m0bmu
>     kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd*
>
>     * *
>
>     *ok jim fine .. well all 100%  even in a deep qsb dip your signal
>     fell under the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a
>     good mode ..hihi/..  i used  250 hz 8 tone in the past and this
>     gave a good copy under qsb .. better than psk ..*
>
>     * *
>
>     *your signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking
>     on spec-lab and can only see same as my ouit going .......*
>
>     * *
>
>     *ok .. well  fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti 
>     pa .. im keeping *
>
>     *power down hihi*
>
>     *btu jim ???*
>
>     * *
>
>     *g0ndb de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had
>     had a nasty accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of
>     your over, but mostly OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since
>     not really any amplitude modulation in this mode anyway - so could
>     use class D tx and keep things a bit simpler. You mentioned
>     narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500hz bandwidth variants,
>     wonder how they compare - would not get as many complaints about
>     bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd*
>
>     * m0bmu .. de g0nbd *
>
>     * *
>
>     *ok fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx
>     button and the tx stopped hihi *
>
>     * *
>
>     *well this was a quick test to  see if this mode printed better
>     over the noise ...looks to  work very well  *
>
>     * *
>
>     *could   change mode ?   8 x 250  that would give a good test , 
>     reduce to    8 x 250   8 x 250 ???*
>
>     * *
>
>     *bkbkbkbk*
>
>     * *
>
>     *ok graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8
>     x 50 mode now - pse qrx...ok  changing to  8 x 250***
>
>     * *
>
>     **73,**
>
>      
>
>     **Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.**
>
>      
>


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>
>
>
> F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP
>
> RX : Icom IC7400
> Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010
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> http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/


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Thanks for the screenshot Jim!

Amazing, I thought it would take more to make it down there. It is good to 
be
back on 136 after a 12 year break. My best DX back then was the Karlsborg
expedition in Sweden (7S6SAJ)

73's

Paul-Henrik

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Hello Gary and LF,

Yes, I'd agree that we should stick to TX power rather than ERP in WSPR
beacon data.

This allows comparisons of antenna efficiencies to be made by comparing
reported power vs s/n ratios, normalizing for TX power.

An efficient antenna will give larger ERP for given TX power, and
should show a commensurately larger S/N ratio. This method also removes
the fudge and fiddle factors most people have to make to estimate ERP.

The available choices of power level, in the software option setting, go
up to 60dBm, so there's even scope for the EAST RIDING FOG HORN to join
in.

Cheers,

John

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2009 19:55:54 -0000 "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi John, LF,
> 
> You wrote :-
> As to power reporting, I see that most people on LF/MF are attempting
> to estimate ERP, and use this figure in the beacon data.
> 
> This aspect of power reporting method has been briefly discussed on
> LF but even on the HF bands there may well be as large a difference
> in antenna gains as there is on 500KHz.
> 
> I believe that we should adopt the recommended WSPR standard then all
> the reporting is the same whether it is HF, MF or LF.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Gary - G4WGT.

> 
> 


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I'm WSPRing again.  Tere was a request earlier this week for some more QRP
operation, so I've put a switched attenuator into circuit ready.  Currrently
running at the original 80 Watts figure, but throughout the evening, I will
progressively reduce power in steps - unless there are any requests for
specific reductions.   Fully linear system and I have 1dB resolution
available.

Suggestions pse for power levels.

Also do have the margin to increase power by about 2 - 3dB as well,



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<div>I&#39;m WSPRing again.&nbsp; Tere was&nbsp;a request earlier this week=20=
for some more QRP operation, so I&#39;ve put a switched attenuator into circ=
uit ready.&nbsp; Currrently running at the original 80 Watts figure, but thr=
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s there are any requests for specific reductions.&nbsp;&nbsp; Fully linear s=
ystem and I have 1dB resolution available.</div>

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<div>Suggestions pse for power levels.</div>
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<div>Also do have the margin to increase power by about 2 - 3dB as well, </d=
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> Dear Mal, LF Group,
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> Cheers, Jim Moritz
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:00:06 -0000
"Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Mark
> 
> This is getting silly hihi 500 mW to the aE .. 


LF Wisperers,..

I've just started my WPSR RX setup, so will look from time to time to
see how the QRP signals decode.

1st period has just ended, 

2104 -17 G4JNT

7dBm ERP!

Good going...

Should make interesting viewing after a few hours.

Now, where's my red wine.....

Cheers,

John
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Monitoring the 2200m NA wateringhole

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Jim,

Still decoding OK here...

205400   6   5  1.3   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
210200   6   5  1.2   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
210800   6   6  1.3   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
211600   7   7  1.2   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23    

233000   5   2  1.6   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
233400   6   3  1.5   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23              


73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Jim, LF

My WSPR problem is sorted now. I installed v7.02, as suggested by Piotr.
This version is much easier to set up, and the SpecJT display is very
useful.

204600   7  -4  1.2   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23
205400   6   5  1.3   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Dear John, LF Group,

The WSPR beacon is now running on 137.50kHz (RF out), 136.0kHz "dial
frequency", 33% TX. Any reports would be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU





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Dear Paul-Henrick, LF Group,

Not yet - I think it would need about 10 more dB to make your sigs audible 
at the moment. 0.3Hz bandwidth is OK for QRSS, but not for normal speed CW!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Hello Jim, LF

Thanks for the update and information. I have one question on your comments:

> of noise in the middle is where I switched to the E-W loop for a while. I 
> am
> getting pretty consistent 10 - 15dB SNR in 0.3Hz bandwidth with the N-S 
> loop

Are you saying you can/could actually copy my CW-ident by ear? That would 
open
yet another dimesion. So far I know my CW has only been copied by ear within 
a
300km radius.




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ETA HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"><T=
ITLE>Message</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,<br><b=
r>Many thanks for the WSPR activity.<br><br>To me, it was a nice way to comp=
are two receiving sites.<br>The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed=
:<br><br>0900&nbsp; -7&nbsp; 0.5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137500&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 27<=
br><br>(automatic uploading of spots to http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php=
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ow.<br><br>At the same period, the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -2=
0 dB ... 13 dB less SNR than here at the club station, using the 200 meter w=
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e at the moment (ground is frozen still), but comparing Jim's report to the=20=
MEPT database, it seems to be in the same region as M0BMU.<br><br>Will keep=20=
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Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,

Many thanks for the WSPR activity.

To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving sites.
The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:

0900  -7  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27

(automatic uploading of spots to http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=
=3Dhtml&band=3D2190&limit=3D50&findcall=3D&findreporter=3D&sort=3Ddate

was off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.

At the same period, the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB ... 13=
 dB less SNR than here at the club station, using the 200 meter wire antenna=
. What a difference !
I don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is frozen st=
ill), but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems to be in the=
 same region as M0BMU.

Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short while now.

73,
  Wolf  DL4YHF ( @ df0wd,  JO42FD) .

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It has decided to update my loc. now without having to do anything this
end!.   Wish it didn't use lower case second letters - that is not the
standard as defined by the Maidenhead committee!

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


2009/1/30 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>

> I registerd with WSPRnet and it is showing me as a user. Have just uploaded
> the first spot.
> It still gives my loc. as IO90 and not IO90IV
> What's it got wrong.
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> Andy  G4JNT
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<div>It has decided to update my loc. now without having to do anything this end!.&nbsp;&nbsp; Wish it didn&#39;t use lower case second letters - that is not the standard as defined by the Maidenhead committee!</div>
<div><br clear="all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href="http://www.g4jnt.com">www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">2009/1/30 Andy Talbot <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com">andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div>I registerd with WSPRnet and it is showing me as a user. Have just uploaded the first spot.</div>
<div>It still gives my loc. as IO90 and not IO90IV</div>
<div>What&#39;s it got wrong.</div>
<div><br clear="all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href="http://www.g4jnt.com/" target="_blank">www.g4jnt.com</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br>

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On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:35:48 -0500
<jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:

> John, Rik and group
> 
> Confirming that WE2XGR/2 TX is up and WSPRing. Will continue
> transmissions until at least 0000Z and probably beyond.

Hello Jay,

Nothing seen as yet, no trace on the WSPR waterfall, nor on Spectrum
Lab/grabber.

Will keep checking in the shack as the night progresses.

Spots are being uploaded as normal to WSPRnet.

Good luck!

John
GM4SLV


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Dear Graham,

Your sigs mostly inaudible here - patchy copy with both Olivia and Domino, 
solid copy in WSPR as you would expect.

It has not long been dark here, so I expect signal levels will pick up 
later.

Wonder why you have selected Domino F im preference to the superceding 
Domino EX modes?

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Running  data mode , DominoF and olivia  8x250  , wspr
power about 20  watts per mode ..tx set started  1630




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That is a more sensible power for MF. Coastal stns were running in excess of=
 this power and ships between 1 - 2 kw so whats new.
Radio amateurs are at a disatvantage at present but could handle it, but app=
liance operators NO.
G3KEV


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: dave.riley3=20
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:31 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR


  NEWS FLASH
  The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF=20
  CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts.
  Hope some of you guys get your T2 license to run the station after=20
  construction. As soon as the snow melts and temperatures rise a bit the=20
  large vertical will be errected. My QTH can only be temporary so we=20
  must find a permanent home ASAP.

  73, Steve

  WA1HUD

  President NEHRS, Inc.

  http://nehrs.net/default.aspx

    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    Subject: LF: PROPAGATION WSPR


    On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation as s=
uggested by some. Two procedures are required with the mode. First it has to=
 be detected then analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. Mo=
rse sent in the QRS mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot only=20=
requires one procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a good indi=
cation of propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.

    I have pointed out recently that I have observed all of the traces from=20=
those transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been directly keyed in QRS mode=20=
an ID or intellegence would have been conveyed, whereas only part of the tim=
e was the signals decoded in wspr. For those viewing the print format only a=
nd getting no copy would never know whether the signall was being received o=
r if it was faulty sampling and decoding.=20

    Cut out the second procedure of decoding, avoid ambiguity and use the sl=
ow keyed carried method using morse code or murray code. A waterfall display=
 and the EYE is a very sensitive detector,=20
    For those experimenting with data modes have fun but todate in the amate=
ur radio LF/MF context nothing yet has surpassed the use of slow morse keyed=
 at a speed to suit one's needs ie propagation studies or communication betw=
een two stations.
    mal/g3kev



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new.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Radio amateurs are at a disatvantage at pre=
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could handle it,&nbsp;but appliance operators NO.</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=3Ddave.riley3@verizon.net     href=3D"mailto:dave.riley3@verizon.=
net">dave.riley3</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR</=
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  <DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style" color=3D#000080 size=3D4>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">NEWS FLASH<BR>The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the=20
  FCC the call letter WNE for MF <BR>CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at=20=
a=20
  maximum power of 5000 watts.<BR>Hope some of you guys get your T2 license=20=
to=20
  run the station after <BR>construction. As soon as the snow melts and=20
  temperatures rise a bit the <BR>large vertical will be errected. My QTH ca=
n=20
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  Steve<BR><BR>WA1HUD<BR><BR>President NEHRS, Inc.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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    <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">m=
al=20
    hamilton</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb</A>=
 </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1=
1:15=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: PROPAGATION WSPR</DI=
V>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On&nbsp;LF &nbsp;I do not think wspr is=
 the=20
    correct mode to&nbsp;study propagation as suggested by some.&nbsp;Two=20
    procedures are required with the mode. First it has to be detected then=20
    analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. Morse sent in th=
e=20
    QRS mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot only requires one=
=20
    procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a good indication of=
=20
    propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have pointed out recently that I have=
=20
    observed all of the traces from those transmitting WSPR and had the carr=
ier=20
    been directly keyed in QRS mode an ID or intellegence would have been=20
    conveyed, whereas only part of the time was the signals decoded in wspr.=
 For=20
    those viewing the print format only and getting no copy would never know=
=20
    whether the signall was being received or if it was&nbsp;faulty sampling=
 and=20
    decoding. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cut out the second procedure of decodin=
g, avoid=20
    ambiguity&nbsp;and use the slow keyed carried method using morse code or=
=20
    murray code. A waterfall display and the EYE is a very sensitive detecto=
r,=20
    </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For those&nbsp;experimenting with data=20=
modes=20
    have fun but&nbsp;todate in the&nbsp;amateur radio LF/MF context nothing=
 yet=20
    has surpassed the use of&nbsp;slow morse keyed at a speed to suit one's=20
    needs ie propagation studies or&nbsp;communication between two=20
    stations.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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> Getting a wspr decode
> 203200 4 0 -0.7 4 0 
> but no callsign or locator
> g3kev


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Mal

Not surprised. Dave is on the coast in Marshfield Massachusetts and I'm cons=
iderably inland. Take a couple dB away and there will be little to nothing o=
n the Argo screen. It's like the difference in received signal level here be=
tween you and Finbar - being on the water is a big advantage.

Last night's attempt was using the vertical transmit antenna for receiving.=20=
When we worked previously I used the K9AY for receive...but the recent ice s=
torm has taken it down. Repairs should be completed this afternoon.=20

If you'd like to give it another try tonight I'll be happy to take a listen.

Jay
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:52 AM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Hi agn Dave
  After research I see u are AA1A in Main. You had fb copy on my signal, sur=
prisingly Jay saw nothing, although I had copied him OOO
  Can you TX for a qso if so let me know when.
  I often copy your signal on 500 khz audible and strong at times.WD2XSH/17.=
 We could possibly have a norm CW QSO.
  Tnx agn for the photos and report=20
  de mal/g3kev/IO94SH

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: dave.riley3=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09 AM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Mal,

    Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

    http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


    73s from Dave




    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Jay
    Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and a=
gn 2214 utc
    It looks ok so far.
    mal
    g3kev


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Not surprised. Dave is on the coast in Mars=
hfield=20
Massachusetts and I'm considerably inland. Take a couple dB&nbsp;away and=20
there&nbsp;will be little&nbsp;to nothing on the Argo screen.&nbsp;It's like=
=20
the&nbsp;difference in received signal level here between you and Finbar=20
-&nbsp;being on the water is a&nbsp;big advantage.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Last night's attempt was using the vertical=
=20
transmit antenna for receiving. When we worked previously I used the K9AY fo=
r=20
receive...but the recent ice storm has taken it down.&nbsp;Repairs&nbsp;shou=
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be completed this afternoon. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&=
nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you'd like to&nbsp;give it another=20
try&nbsp;tonight I'll be happy to take a listen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">mal=
=20
  hamilton</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi agn Dave</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After research I see u are AA1A in Main.=20=
You had=20
  fb&nbsp;copy on my signal, surprisingly Jay saw nothing, although I had co=
pied=20
  him OOO</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can you TX for a qso if so let me know=20
  when.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I often copy your signal on 500 khz audib=
le and=20
  strong at times.WD2XSH/17. We could possibly have a norm CW QSO.</FONT></D=
IV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tnx agn for the photos and report </FONT>=
</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>de mal/g3kev/IO94SH</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV       style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: b=
lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Ddave.riley3@verizon.net       href=3D"mailto:dave.riley3@veri=
zon.net">dave.riley3</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:=
09=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:=20=
MF=20
    CONDX</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp;=20=
<A       href=3D"http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg">http://www.radiocom.net/K=
EV9.jpg</A><BR></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D3><A       href=3D"http://www.radiocom.=
net/KEV9.jpg">http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg</A></FONT></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D3></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>73s from Dave</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><BR><BR><STRONG>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: mal hamilton=
=20
    <BR>To: <A       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_gr=
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    <BR>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM<BR>Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re:=
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    MF CONDX<BR><BR><BR>Jay<BR>Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, fir=
st=20
    seen 2207 then gap and agn 2214 utc<BR>It looks ok so=20
    far.<BR>mal<BR>g3kev</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
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Yes, just about the same level of decoding, but MFSK certainly looks
weaker on teh spectrogrram.
 Need to stop Rx and tunr off now, but will monitor this reflector

Interesting stuff - half-tempted to apply for teh 500kHz NoV.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
> Andy,
>
> Are you looking at the same level of demodulation  for olivia and  mfsk ?
>
> If so  that's a useful outcome as I know some stations are in the process=20=
of
> making tx transverters, but don't have linear power amps.. in which case,
> mfsk  may offer an  advantage over 2 tone rtt ?
>
> Tnx- G ..
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:21 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>>
>> I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
>> throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
>> important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
>> particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
>> getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
>> but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
>> poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.
>>
>> So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
>> over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
>> fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
>> much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
>> QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>>
>>> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
>>> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
>>> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot"
>>> <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
>>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>>
>>>
>>>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>>>
>>>> OLIVIA :
>>>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
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Uq
>>>> 8
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bd
>>>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MFSK8
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lro&"t l=D6
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pAbd  g0nbd
>>>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =ADiefo&
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4Eek a
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>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=E2pg H Jant0n9=A8j=B7eoet n
>>>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=F4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>>>> a=B1 rotet a=DC Foe2_vl=A7ms=ED t=CCk  t=3D l=C5 edCQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd=20=
 g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =AB=F2ee
>>>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>>>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>>>
>>>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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hi Joe,
nice capture xko
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Hello Jim , Wolf ,
I monitoring the WSPR band on 137 kHz , qtf 295=B0
I uploading spots to http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

1024 -12  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
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dl4yhf@freenet.de a =E9crit :
> Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,
>
> Many thanks for the WSPR activity.
>
> To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving sites.
> The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:
>
> 0900  -7  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
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Dear Graham, LF Group,

Thanks for our first QSO this evening. As keyboard-to-keyboard "chat" modes 
go, this has to be the best I have experienced so far at LF/MF. The 32 
tone/1kHz sub-mode produced almost 100% copy provided the signal was 
audible - the somewhat slower 4 tone/250Hz setting was better still, only 
producing errors during short periods at the fading minima when the signal 
was completely inaudible and invisible on the spectrogram as well. I have 
always struggled to copy G0NDB before, but on this occasion we had a fairly 
lengthy QSO without any great difficulty. I think the main practical 
difficulty for random QSOs would be knowing that there was a signal present 
to decode - it would be sensible to have a calling frequency for future 
tests.

I would agree that the 1kHz bandwidth sub-mode is too wide for routine use 
in the present 500kHz band. But it does not violate the present licence 
conditions, and I think it is an interesting experiment to see if a 
relatively wide-band mode is an advantage for selective fading conditions on 
this band. Looking at the various menus in Fldigi, I see that Olivia can be 
configured for any combination of bandwidth from 125Hz to 2kHz, and 2 - 256 
tones (I tried it - you can have 256 tones and 125Hz, or 2 tones in 2kHz, 
although how well it works is another matter...). It would be interesting to 
try back-to-back comparisons with varying parameters to test the 
possibilities of fast vs. slow, wide vs. narrow.

Cheers, Jim moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Hello Andy, Jim, Rik and all,


yes it is just that what I wanted to point at:
In a beacon mode we need not communicate information 
other than the confidence on the identity of the 
station "heard".

Three years ago I implemented into my CWP-system 
exactly what Andy describes. Finding very weak 
constant non-drifting carriers is easy. But 
modulated, and heavily drifting signals as in my 
case of EME, that really is difficult. 
In the EME case the problem is home-made. Since 
the relative motion of Earth and Moon is known, 
and every operator knows his location on Earth, 
he could precisely compensate the drift such that 
the Moon hears him (and sends his signal back) on 
a constant frequency. And the receiver could 
compensate for it's own motion relative to the 
moon. But sometimes it seems to me that amateurs 
do not like to go the easiest way.

Indeed, the WSPR system, i.e. the infra-structure 
as seen by the operator is fine. Unfortunately, 
the subsystem for communication via the radio 
waves could be better by more than 6 dB. 
Also finding a BPSK-signal is easier than WSPR. 

73!
Klaus, DJ5HG


> Automatic monitoring of the signal strength / frequency of CW beacon
> signals, including those that drift by a small amount, can be achieved
> using signal processing techniqes borrowed from the radar and Comint
> worlds.   Referred to as CFAR, or Constant False Alarm Rate, the
> principle is to take an FFT of the wanted band, then obtain an
> estimate of the noise level and all CARRIER type signals present by
> using statistical techniques, like averaging over adjacent time
> samples, searching adjacent bins and voting.
> 
> I described the process in detail in the RadCom Data Column  in three
> parts over April/June/August 2008  and it also appears in "Command"  [
> http://www.rsgbshop.org/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Computing___Radio_39.html
>  (still some copies left at bargain prices:) ]
> 
> The S/N of any carrier that exceeds the noise level by a certain
> minimum amount can be determined accurately by the monitoring process,
> its frequency determined and drifting signals can be tracked.
> Multiple carrier s can be tracked if needed  The process does not work
> so reliably where signals are modulated, so clearly are not of much
> use for situations where the beacon callsign etc is not known in
> advance.    However, it can be made to work sucessfully on the
> microwave bands, where beacons freqeuncies and locations are known in
> advance.
> 
> Microwave Beacon Monitoring software using CFAR techniqes and
> including all source code can be found at :
>    http://www.g4jnt.com/dspsw.htm
> with an overview at    http://www.g4jnt.com/UWBCNMON.pdf
> 
> This particular software is too wideband for LF use, but the code
> could be modified for lower sampling rates and bandwidths, and used
> for auto monitoring of QRSS signals, once their origin has been
> determined by other means
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
> > Hello Klaus,
> >
> >> On the other hand, WSPR has the advantage of automatic
> >> recording. But that is not an advantage of the mode, it
> >> simply is the lack of a corresponding simple program that
> >> does the same with a QRSS signal.
> >
> > the automatic recording/reporting ability is clearly an advantage of WSPR in
> > regard with propagation studies. And I agree that QRSS or DFCW would serve
> > as well or even better if a similar automatic recording/reporting would be
> > provided.
> > But I am afraid that a "waterfall display to ASCII" conversion is not simple
> > at all ;-)
> >
> >> Nevertheless, WSPR is not very near to the Shannon limit.
> >> I spent nearly all my leisure time of the last year with
> >> the design of a new digital ham radio QSO-mode HD43 that
> >> comes as close as possible to the theoretical limit.
> >> I will send a preprint on request.
> >
> > I am interested
> >
> > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T
> >
> >
> > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
> >
> >
> >
> 




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Laurence BY3A-KL1X China ïèøåò:

> Great to see some signals !! - Ive raised the probe up to some 5m 
> above roof level and still have a poor -90dBm noise level - but good 
> enough
>  
> Laurence BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China

UA9CS start qrss60  beacon  137776 "CS"
RA3YO at 15z  dfcw240   137778.25/.15  "Y"
UA4WPF dfcw120 137777.20/.00  "WPF"
 

>  
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:21:05 +0300
> > From: ra3yo@mail.ru
> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > Subject: Re: LF: China grabber 137.777 for tonight. now UA4WPF
> >
> > Hi Laurence!
> >
> > Good signals from UA4WPF! 137777.2 dfcw120
> > I'm beaconing 137778.25 dfcw120
> >
> > Dmitry
> > RA3YO
> >
> > Laurence BY3A-KL1X China ïèøåò:
> >
> > >
> > > Ill have the China Grabber running my night time in the area of
> > > 137.777 dot 60 slow in about an hours time -
> > >
> > > My darkness period is now at 0847Z, till 2325Z. Though with this smog
> > > it might have set hours ago...
> > >
> > > http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg
> > >
> > > Laurence BY3A-KL1X OM89UA Tanggu NE China
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Laurence BY3A-KL1X China ïèøåò:<br>
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  </style>Great to see some signals !! - Ive raised the probe up to
some 5m above roof level and still have a poor -90dBm noise level - but
good enough<br>
 <br>
Laurence BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China<br>
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UA9CS start qrss60  beacon  137776 "CS"<br>
RA3YO at 15z  dfcw240   137778.25/.15  "Y"<br>
UA4WPF dfcw120 137777.20/.00  "WPF"<br>
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&gt; Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:21:05 +0300<br>
&gt; From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ra3yo@mail.ru">ra3yo@mail.ru</a><br>
&gt; To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: LF: China grabber 137.777 for tonight. now UA4WPF<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hi Laurence!<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Good signals from UA4WPF! 137777.2 dfcw120<br>
&gt; I'm beaconing 137778.25 dfcw120<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Dmitry<br>
&gt; RA3YO<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Laurence BY3A-KL1X China ïèøåò:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Ill have the China Grabber running my night time in the area
of <br>
&gt; &gt; 137.777 dot 60 slow in about an hours time -<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; My darkness period is now at 0847Z, till 2325Z. Though with
this smog <br>
&gt; &gt; it might have set hours ago...<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg">http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg</a><br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Laurence BY3A-KL1X OM89UA Tanggu NE China<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:05:03 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear John, LF Group,
> 
> The WSPR beacon is now running on 137.50kHz (RF out), 136.0kHz "dial 
> frequency", 33% TX. Any reports would be very welcome.

Hi Jim, LF,

Things were going well, some slow QSB took you from initial -12dB down
to -20dB. Just as you started to climb back up I'm engulfed in a
statically charged snowstorm!

I'm using my short capacity loaded vertical (as used on 500) with the
MF ATU replaced by a ferrite transformer at the feedpoint. I'm trying
to ascertain if it's necessary to use a tuned pre-amp in the shack or
not. After several decodes between -20dB and -17dB (with the pre-amp IN)
I started a sequence of IN, OUT tests, but that's when the charged snow
started to fall and obliterate everything... so no further data
collected.

I'll leave the RX running, pre-amp out, overnight. I guess you'll QRT
soon. Thanks for the tests, my first ever amateur signals on 136kHz.

Cheers,

John





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It could be used but that  was not the object of the excercise. It could be=20=
used on 500 for a QSO because of the poor selectivity a number of signals wo=
uld hetrodyne and produce a note with careful fiddling.
Why has noone so far been able to answer a simple question and stick to the=20=
topic. In the first instance what materials are required for the project and=
 where would one acquire each irem.=20
Someone suggested MAPLINS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
g3kev
=20

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:31 PM
  Subject: RE: LF: Razor blade RX


  Mal,

  =20

  You wrote :-

  >>>>>> Dont know why you ask about AM, MF LF etc

  =20

  You previously wrote :-

  >>>>>>> Build one and have a QSO using this RX g3kev

  =20

  That seems to be the reason why.

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT.

  =20

  =20


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  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black=
sheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
  Sent: 07 January 2009 14:00
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

  =20

  How would you make the earphone, what bits would you use. How exactly woul=
d you use the razor blade, edge, broadside, for actual connection in cct and=
 how would you tweak it for max sensitivity. Dont know why you ask about AM,=
 MF LF etc. This sort of device is not likely to be any good on vhf.

  I already know all the answers. I am  asking you and others how would you=20=
do it. So far no one has described how to to build one and set it up.

  A telephone earpiece is not on the shopping list. You have to describe how=
 to make it. I will give you a clue, its a hiZ device, not like modern types=
.=20

  You have no junk box, you have to gather up the pieces lying around or wou=
ld find in a trench or P0W camp.=20

  I can see now why noone could pass an examination except it was multiple c=
hoice type with all the  answers in front of the canditate=20

  g3kev

  =20

    =20

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: M0FMT=20

    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

    Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:44 PM

    Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

    =20

          OK Mal

          =20

          What actually is the challenge then?

          =20

          Just to make an RX using a razor blade as the guys in Coldiz did?=20

          An Rx to receive AM broadcast stations on the Medium wave or Long=20=
wave BC bands?

          I think that RX has been described previously in these exchanges.

          Or are you asking for one to be actually made and demonstrated?

          Or do you just want a shopping list of things to be stolen of thei=
r captors to make the RX? Together with a technical description of how the w=
hole thing works?=20

          Shopping list like:- Razor blade, wire, telephone earpiece, pencil=
, safety pin, sliver paper for cap etc? But in more detail, the razor blade=20=
being a bit of a Red Herring because most oxides on metal surfaces will exhi=
bit a none linear conduction characteristic required for AC rectification e.=
g the rusty nail effect beloved by the old C&G RAE.. =20

          =20

          Or have you got a "Smart Alec" solution?=20

          =20

          Please specify!

          =20

          Regards 73 Petefmt

          --- On Wed, 7/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

            From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
            Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
            To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
            Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:38 AM

Please answer the question.  I did not ask if it could be used on 500 at pre=
sent., but if so one would TX using MCW or Keyed Tone and old spy tric.g3kev=
 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.=
be>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:53 PM=
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX  > Mal,> > I did build a "crystal radio" wit=
h a razor blade as detectorwhen I> was 14 years old.> It had to be rusty to=20=
work properly and even then it was a very poor > detector.> And it is an AM=20=
detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.> > 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T=
> > > Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:> >> Since I mentioned a=20=
Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I>> have had several requests for=
 a circuit. To give others the>> opportunity to submit a cct I will await re=
plies. This method was>> used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to=
 receive BBC>> broadcasts.>> Let us know how you would approach the subject.=
 This is applicable>> to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicv=
ed on these>> bands.>> Build one and have a QSO using this RX>> g3kev>> > >=20=
> > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm> >   ------=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It could be used but that&nbsp; was not the=
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of the excercise. It could be used on 500 for a QSO because of the poor=20
selectivity a number of signals would hetrodyne and produce a note with=20
careful&nbsp;fiddling.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Why has noone so far been able to answer a=20=
simple=20
question&nbsp;and&nbsp;stick to the topic. In&nbsp;the first instance what=20
materials are required for the project and where would one acquire each irem=
.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Someone=20
suggested&nbsp;MAPLINS&nbsp;!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</FONT></DI=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary -=20
  G4WGT</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2=
:31=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: LF: Razor blade RX</DI=
V>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
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l">Mal,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">You=20
  wrote :-<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt=
;</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT     face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial"=
> Dont know why you ask about AM,=20
  MF LF etc<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">You=20
  previously wrote :-<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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IZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Build=20
  one and have a QSO using this RX g3kev<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
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l">That=20
  seems to be the reason why.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN=
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 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">Gary=20
  =96 G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</S=
PAN></FONT></B><FONT     face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US     style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A     href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEI=
GHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>mal <st1:City     w:st=3D"on"><st1:place=20=
w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:place></st1:City><BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WE=
IGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 07 January 2009 14:00<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"=
FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">S=
ubject:</SPAN></B> Re: LF: Razor blade=20
  RX</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">How would you make the earphone,=20
  what bits would you use. How exactly would you use the razor blade, edge,=20
  broadside, for actual connection in cct and how would you tweak it for max=
=20
  sensitivity. Dont know why you ask about AM, MF LF etc. This sort of devic=
e is=20
  not likely to be any good on vhf.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I already know all the answers. I=20
  am&nbsp; asking you and others how would you do it. So far no one has=20
  described how to to build one and set it=20
up.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A telephone earpiece is not on the=20
  shopping list. You have to describe how to make it. I will give you a clue=
,=20
  its a hiZ device, not like modern types. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DI=
V>
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IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You have no junk box, you have to=20
  gather up the pieces lying around or would find in a trench or P0W camp.=20
  </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I can see now why noone could pass=20
  an examination except it was multiple choice&nbsp;type&nbsp;with all the&n=
bsp;=20
  answers in front of the canditate </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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PAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A       title=3Dm0fmt@ya=
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FAMILY: Arial"> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org       href=3D"=
mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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    Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:44 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN><=
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FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: LF:=20
    Razor blade RX<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Just to make an RX using a razor blad=
e as the=20
          guys in Coldiz did? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">An Rx to receive AM broadcast station=
s on the=20
          Medium wave or Long wave BC bands?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></D=
IV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I think that RX has been described pr=
eviously=20
          in these exchanges.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Or are you asking for one to be actua=
lly made=20
          and demonstrated?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Or do you just want a shopping list o=
f things=20
          to be stolen of their captors to make the RX? Together with a=20
          technical description of how the whole thing=20
          works?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Shopping list like:- Razor blade, wir=
e,=20
          telephone earpiece, pencil, safety pin, sliver paper for cap etc?=20=
But=20
          in more detail, the razor blade being a bit of a Red Herring becau=
se=20
          most oxides on metal surfaces will exhibit a none linear conductio=
n=20
          characteristic required for&nbsp;AC rectification e.g the rusty na=
il=20
          effect beloved by the old C&amp;G=20
          RAE..&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></=
DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Or have you got a "Smart Alec"=20
          solution?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></=
DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Please=20
          specify!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></=
DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Regards 73 Petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B><=
SPAN             style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Wed, 7/1/09, mal <st1:City    =20=
        w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:place></st1:City>=20
          <I><SPAN             style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic">&lt;g3kevmal@tal=
ktalk.net&gt;</SPAN></I></SPAN></B>=20
          wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <BLOCKQUOTE             style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDIN=
G-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; M=
ARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: #1=
010ff 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">
            <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT       =20=
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Fro=
m:=20
            mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF: R=
azor=20
            blade RX<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Wednesday,=
 7=20
            January, 2009, 11:38 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT f=
ace=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Please answer t=
he question.&nbsp; I did not ask if it could be used on 500 at <o:p></o:p></=
SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt">present., but if so one would TX using MCW or Keyed Tone and=20=
old spy tric.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20=
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">g3kev<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE=
><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SP=
AN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE: 10pt">From: "Rik Strobbe" &lt;Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;<o:p></o=
:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To: &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt;<o:p></o:p></SP=
AN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE: 10pt">Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:53 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10=
pt">Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT=
 face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=
=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt; Mal,<o:p></o:=
p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT fac=
e=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt; I did build=20=
a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P=
RE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">=
when I<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=
=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt; was 14 years old.<o:p></o:p></SPAN=
></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt">&gt; It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a v=
ery poor <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=
=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt; detector.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>=
</PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10p=
t">&gt; And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.<=
o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FO=
NT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt; 73, Ri=
k&nbsp; ON7YD - OR7T<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courie=
r New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN>=
</FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 10pt">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courie=
r New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt; Quoting mal <st1:City w=
:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:place></st1:City> &lt;g3kevm=
al@talktalk.net&gt;:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courie=
r New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN>=
</FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 10pt">&gt;&gt; Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while=
 back I<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=
=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;&gt; have had several requests for=20=
a circuit. To give others the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=
=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;&gt; opportuni=
ty to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was<o:p></o:p></SPAN></=
FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE=
: 10pt">&gt;&gt; used successfully&nbsp; at Coldiz and other POW camps to re=
ceive BBC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=
=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;&gt; broadcasts.<o:p></o:p></SPAN><=
/FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZ=
E: 10pt">&gt;&gt; Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is ap=
plicable<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=
=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;&gt; to MF/LF since the broadcasts=20=
at the time were receicved on these<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT=
 face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;&gt; band=
s.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><S=
PAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;&gt; Build one and have a QSO using this R=
X<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SP=
AN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;&gt; g3kev<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><P=
RE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;&=
gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=
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E><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&=
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E><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&=
gt; Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm<o:p></o:p><=
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On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:35:53 -0000
"mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

> I have been looking around the various HF bands for NON MORSE acty
> and find  that the old RTTY is the most prolific mode in use

Mal,

You are, of course, entirely wrong in this assumption/observation.

Just because your ears identify RTTY easily doesn't mean that's the most
common mode. 

When you tune across 14.070MHz during the day how many PSK31 signals do
you think you hear? One, two?

I've just counted 15, at 0816 on a dark winter's morning, without
spending too long watching the band. There were probably many more
stations active, had I watched for longer.

How many RTTY stations did you spot? I saw and heard 2, in the same
time span that I counted 15 PSK stations.

So that seems to, in an unscientific way, disprove your theory.


How many Olivia / MFSK16  signals did you hear? None? Doesn't mean there
aren't active QSOs going on, just because your cursory sweep didn't
detect them - as I and others have pointed out, some of these modes are
so sensitive that they work well below the noise floor.

CW is a great mode, my favourite and the one that makes up 80% of my
QSO count, but the facts remain - some of the new DSP modes are more
sensitive, and if well designed, will work with a wide variety of
ionospheric/path disturbances (selective fading, multipath, group delay
errors, inband carrier QRM etc etc) as well or better than plain old CW.

I've done tests on 160m with a station in OH-land comparing
SSB/Hell/CW/MFSK16 and Olivia. 

Obviously the SSB was the poorest performer, but by far the
best, for readability of information was Olivia/MFSK. 
100% copy down to below 1W, long after the Hell and CW signals had been
lost. 

The CW performed very well in comparison to the SBB and Hell, and in
quick bursts could pass the rudiments of a QSO between QSB dips etc,
but the Olivia and MFSK modes just kept on printing, even though the
signals were inaudible and invisible on the waterfall.  You, scanning
the band looking for data for your survey, might not have even know we
were having a 100% copy QSO had you tuned across us that night.

Perhaps QRSS may have worked, with careful optimising of the
waterfall bandwidth etc, but that's hardly a fast, chatty, "pass
information" operating mode.

John


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Thanks for the screenshot Jim!

Amazing, I thought it would take more to make it down there. It is good to b=
e
back on 136 after a 12 year break. My best DX back then was the Karlsborg
expedition in Sweden (7S6SAJ)

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:

> Dear Paul-Henrik,
>
> Now copying your QRSS3 - see attachment. Signal is recovering from QSB.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU




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.. this is the cross modulation signature on the RN3AGC grabber. The pattern was also visible on F1AFJ's screen. - 73, Markus

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Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz, Luxembourg


 The band is fairly quiet tonight. Twice for a few minutes around 23:23 and 23:33, there were strong Luxembourg sideband carriers
 simultaneously on both HGA and DCF. They were apparently caused by a 1054 Hz sinusoidal modulation test tone (sidebands at 136.484,
 75 uV/m and 137.776 kHz, 13 uV/m). There was also a -20 dB second harmonic component (137.538, 6 uV/m and 136.722, 1.5 uV/m), due 
to
 the square-law charasteristic of the heating effect.

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Have you used these diodes in a linear psu
mal/g3kev

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> Quite likely Schottky diodes.   Much lower forward voltage drop -
> typical 0.15 to 0.3V at rated current, and OK for fasr SMPSUs.
> Reverse leakage can be very high.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
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> 2009/1/23 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>> MF/LF
>> For interest, nearly every diode that I have tested varies one from 
>> another
>> even a matched batch. I suppose normally constructers just grab the 
>> required
>> number for a project and start soldering. Perhaps its not that important 
>> as
>> long as they are conducting in one direction and offer some resistance in
>> the reverse direction.
>> mal/g3kev
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>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: mal hamilton
>> To: rsgb
>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:56 PM
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>> I have found some rectifiers MBR 6045 and although these would do the 
>> job, I
>> notice the FORWARD/REVERSE resistance is a lot lower than normal silicon
>> high curent rectifiers.
>> de mal/g3kev
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:41:24 -0000
"J. B. Weazle McCreath" <weazle@hurontel.on.ca> wrote:

> Hello LFers,
> 
> Is the default setting for the two slider controls above where
> you enter your frequencies OK?  What exactly do they do?
> Thanks in advance from someone still learning the ropes.


I believe they control the visual sensitivity and contrast of the
waterfall display, nothing more, and probably aren't important for
decoding.

Others may have more information. 

I haven't adjusted them from the default positions.

Cheers,

John


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> 


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Thanx Henny,last night test in QRSS120 with the russian grabbers without =20
succes.
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F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP
_http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20

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Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 25/01/2009 18:09:01 Paris, Madrid, cpm@planet.nl a=20=
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=E9crit :

Hi All.
capture DTL 137KHZ
Henny pa3cpm
73s
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mal hamilton wrote:
> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have 
> had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to 
> submit a cct I will await replies. 

I think that we all give up - just tell us how to do it.

Stewart/G3YSX



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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:24:23 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.
>
Hello Gary, LF,

I'm getting a fairly reliable signal from you, with just enough QSB to
dip under the decoding margin from time to time.

As to power reporting, I see that most people on LF/MF are attempting
to estimate ERP, and use this figure in the beacon data.

There was much discussion on the WSPR forum on the merits or otherwise
of this approach, in the HF sphere at least.

It might be easier if we adopted the same approach as is recommended
for HF use - to report the actual TX power, not ERP.

I see your last beacon is reporting 3dBm! Wow... that really is "flea
power". Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW
ERP from a large one.

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John
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... Is that 5 KW  erp or Just plate input ?=20

G ..=20



From: dave.riley3=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:31 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: LF: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR


NEWS FLASH
The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF=20
CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts.
Hope some of you guys get your T2 license to run the station after=20
construction. As soon as the snow melts and temperatures rise a bit the=20
large vertical will be errected. My QTH can only be temporary so we=20
must find a permanent home ASAP.

73, Steve

WA1HUD

President NEHRS, Inc.

http://nehrs.net/default.aspx

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
  To: rsgb=20
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:15 AM
  Subject: LF: PROPAGATION WSPR


  On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation as sug=
gested by some. Two procedures are required with the mode. First it has to b=
e detected then analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. Mors=
e sent in the QRS mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot only re=
quires one procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a good indica=
tion of propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.

  I have pointed out recently that I have observed all of the traces from th=
ose transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been directly keyed in QRS mode an=
 ID or intellegence would have been conveyed, whereas only part of the time=20=
was the signals decoded in wspr. For those viewing the print format only and=
 getting no copy would never know whether the signall was being received or=20=
if it was faulty sampling and decoding.=20

  Cut out the second procedure of decoding, avoid ambiguity and use the slow=
 keyed carried method using morse code or murray code. A waterfall display a=
nd the EYE is a very sensitive detector,=20
  For those experimenting with data modes have fun but todate in the amateur=
 radio LF/MF context nothing yet has surpassed the use of slow morse keyed a=
t a speed to suit one's needs ie propagation studies or communication betwee=
n two stations.
  mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>... Is that 5 KW&nbsp; erp or Just plate in=
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:31 PM</DIV>
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b_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4 face=3D"Bookman Old Style">
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">NEWS FLASH<BR>The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FC=
C=20
the call letter WNE for MF <BR>CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maxi=
mum=20
power of 5000 watts.<BR>Hope some of you guys get your T2 license to run the=
=20
station after <BR>construction. As soon as the snow melts and temperatures r=
ise=20
a bit the <BR>large vertical will be errected. My QTH can only be temporary=20=
so=20
we <BR>must find a permanent home ASAP.<BR><BR>73,=20
Steve<BR><BR>WA1HUD<BR><BR>President NEHRS, Inc.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: PROPAGATION WSPR</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>On&nbsp;LF &nbsp;I do not think wspr is t=
he=20
  correct mode to&nbsp;study propagation as suggested by some.&nbsp;Two=20
  procedures are required with the mode. First it has to be detected then=20
  analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. Morse sent in the=20=
QRS=20
  mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot only requires one=20
  procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a good indication of=20
  propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I have pointed out recently that I have o=
bserved=20
  all of the traces from those transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been=20
  directly keyed in QRS mode an ID or intellegence would have been conveyed,=
=20
  whereas only part of the time was the signals decoded in wspr. For those=20
  viewing the print format only and getting no copy would never know whether=
 the=20
  signall was being received or if it was&nbsp;faulty sampling and decoding.=
=20
  </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Cut out the second procedure of decoding,=
 avoid=20
  ambiguity&nbsp;and use the slow keyed carried method using morse code or=20
  murray code. A waterfall display and the EYE is a very sensitive detector,=
=20
  </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>For those&nbsp;experimenting with data mo=
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Hello LF!
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Hello LF!<br>I have never seen "XGJ" so strong. The best time was between 06=
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Chris,
It is hard to be perfect all the time, especially when relying on memory onl=
y, no speller checker, and no thesaurus guide. There will be the odd typing=20=
error as well. I suppose when you present yourself to the world you must exp=
ect some criticism.=20
Of course every sentence needs a verb, a subject and often an object, then t=
here are SIMPLE and COMPLEX sentences and so it goes on.
I suppose this discussion makes a change from Digi boxes and rust razor blad=
es hi
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chris,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is hard to be perfect all the time, espe=
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when relying on memory only, no speller checker, and&nbsp;no thesaurus guide=
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There will be the odd typing error as well. I suppose when you present yours=
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to the world you must expect some criticism. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of course every sentence needs a verb, a su=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I suppose this discussion makes a change fr=
om Digi=20
boxes and rust razor blades hi</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Be careful though, you might upset someone,=
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not difficult on here&nbsp;!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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Good evening , my dear friend !

Next carpure RU6LA . Big signal's .

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But Jim it is hardly rocket science contacting someone not far away using a 
system that takes up 1 khz of bandwidth in a 3 khz slot.
The modes used are only variants of those that have gone before.
There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not already 
taken place on MF. The area of adventure is the microwave spectrum where the 
sky and bandwidth are unlimited.
The original proposal and concept for 500 khz was to use telegraphy as 
defined in CAP and Marine publications and now issued by  OFCOM on behalf of 
H M Government.
Flexibility has been permitted in the use of data modes but not to the 
detriment of other users. Why not use these modes on 160 metres where there 
is more bandwidth available and less likelyhood of annoying other users on 
the band.
160m and 600m have similar propagation characteristics, plus the fact 
permitted power is higher, 400 watts in on segment of the band.
de G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dear Pete, LF Group,
>
> M0FMT wrote:
>>Mal you've got my vote and probably the Vote of the silent majority on the
>>Band....
>
> This is presumably the same silent majority that complain about lack of
> activity. It would be nice if the majority was a little less silent, at
> least in the RF sense.
>
> Ofcom have granted the 500kHz NoVs for research purposes. We each had to
> make an application based on what sort of research we intended to do. In
> mine, among other things, I proposed to investigate the effectiveness of
> various different modes at MF, and the application was granted on this
> basis. I hope to get some results, either positive or negative, that will
> shed some light on this subject.
>
> In the meantime, arguments rage on, mostly people telling anyone who is
> doing anything on 500kHz that they shouldn't be doing it. This is not very
> constructive; if we expect Ofcom to extend the 500kHz deadline, and to
> entertain future requests for bandwidth, we collectively need to show that
> interesting things can be done with this type of allocation by amateurs.
> Most of the band is empty most of the time, so there is plenty of space 
> for
> more different kinds of activity according to different tastes and
> interests - there is no requirement to reach a universal consensus first.
>
> So if you are part of this Silent Majority who don't like the existing
> activity on 500k, get busy doing the things that you do like - and 
> persuade
> like-minded people to join in. It has to be better than ranting!
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>


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Andy.
You often agree with me you just do not realise it !!!!
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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Oh dear, I have to agree with Mal for once.
I'm fully with you there on grammar and punctuation in modern usage.

I know of one teacher who refuses and returns any written work that
makes use of Text-ese.   It has made her unpopular with kids and some
other staff.

Andy  G4JNT
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2009/1/23 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Gary
> A shining example of what can be achieved especially by a disabled person 
> .
> It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad light!!!!!! on MF/LF some class A
> operators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I assume they are able bodied. It
> used to be that a class A amateur had an advantage over the general public
> by being able to converse in morse code, just like another language except
> it was totally international.
> Even a worse senario, a lot of persons today cannot write, the norm is to
> use a keypad and send text messages using some abbreviated gibbirish,
> grammar is not required, sort of pigeon english.
> G3KEV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary - G4WGT
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 4:21 PM
> Subject: LF: RE: Morse code lifeline
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Here is a video on the above subject at this link :-
>
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Gary – G4WGT.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Michael Probert
> Sent: 22 January 2009 19:21
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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>
>
>
> Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009
>
>
>
> The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 2009
>
>
>
> Quote—" A Pensioner who is almost completely paralysed has learned to
> communicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.
>
> Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his 79
> year-old mother to communicate using her knowledge of the code."
>
>
>
>  End of quote.
>
>
>
> 73  Mike GW4HXO
>
>
>
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Subject: LF: RE: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
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Graham, LF,

OK all copied here at varying percentages.

MFSK8

CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ea dKt  tp r=A2i=FAiik1kE Keonoe
x'!etiwB Fa=F8oit"0i=FCTelt !cgne=CAW=A5 Dr gf ! la(  i:a =BEd=F5ie.Yp  a.t=
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  g0nbd =20
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PSK31

CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk

Olivia 8 x 250

CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbj<"g0nbd  kkk z34QU
@DK   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20
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g0nbd  g0nbd =20
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  0}^)  g0nbd =20
 CQ C1@#Q DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk H1R7Y

73

Gary - G4WGT.




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Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW
- 1615 HRS

Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in parallel

it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase=20
continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running on

the same pc in beacon mode

8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference signal=20
and is not expected to  print as reliably

All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..=20
about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in=20
level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are=20
resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.

Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels=20
producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised

Running  3 mode beacon

Dial set   502 khz usb

1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz

1250 hz   psk31

1500 hz  MFSK  8

Reports  welcome

Graham

G0NBD

Io83LK=20




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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:47:18 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> In answer to:
> >>>>Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW ERP
> >>>>from a large one.  

I was of course being facetious (sp?) with that statement....

ERP is ERP is ERP

Now.... Gary has just got across the pond, more than once, with a SMALL
antenna and 2mW ERP... just think what 2mW ERP froma BIG antenna would
have done ;-)

John


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Yes it is.   All freqs derived from the master OSC input with
dedicated PLLs.   BFO can be tuned in 10Hz steps  +/- 8000Hz.    Some
RA1792 radios have 1Hz RF tuning steps (not mine), but don't know if
the BFO does likewise on those models.

Can't lock the SDR-IQ yet as it needs a 66.66666MHz clock and haven't
yet got round to making a locked clock source for it.   Easiest
solution may be an Si570 device - need to investigate.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
> Andy,
>
> Is the bfo on the ra1792  synthesised ?  it is on my ra6790gm , but the
> trusty  ra1778 (I have to  say that or it  develop some obscure fault) has a
> free tune  1.4 mhz  bfo .so  no good for hyper stable data ! .. but phase
> locked 1.4 mhz cio .....or if you have a pilot tone you can lock onto that
> ... follows 80 mtr am nicely and resolves as ssb .. cheating i know !
>
> I tend to  announce,
> dial frequency,
> mode -usb
> software marker frequency  ..
>
> multipsk has a centre frequency mark which is handy ..!
>
> Hope the run was of intrest ,
>
> Graham ..
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:37 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>>
>> If you have a radio with adjustable CW mode like most SDRs, and the
>> RA1792, its easier to use CW mode.  Tune to the centre frequency of
>> interest, set the filter appropriately and the BFO to the decoders
>> preferred tone.
>>
>> For last nights listening, my SDR-IQ was set to CW mode, audio lower
>> freq 400Hz, upper freq 1600Hz, BFO 1000Hz
>>
>> (You can set arbitrary upper/lower linits on the SSB filter as well on
>> Spectravue), but guess who initially fell foul of seeing 503kHz
>> specified and assumed it meant the same as the JT65A freq the other
>> night.  So, on seeing the tones not where they 'should' have been and
>> re-reading the email post...
>>
>> Must get round to writing a WSPR PIC routine for the AD9852 DDS
>> similar to my existing JT65 beacons.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/3 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>>>
>>> Tx bandwidth  and out of band signals ,
>>>
>>> Well after picking up the toys from around the cot and tidying up  the
>>> baby
>>> finally  fell asleep ,silence finally ensued, a little familiarisation
>>> with
>>> the way the radio works may help, just because the  rx dial  displays a
>>> frequency out side the allocated band, doesn't actually mean the signal
>>> is
>>> out side the band .. its all to do  with filter shape factor  and the
>>> placement of the filter .... bit like dougle asking farther ted, are all
>>> the
>>> cows in the field the same size as his little plastic toy one... no
>>> dougle,
>>> this ones in your hand  and those are far away , right ted came the quick
>>> reply .from a still confused dougle .
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:54 PM
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq
>>>
>>>>
>>>> OM
>>>> Your transmission is outside the band limit, spreading to 504.6 khz.
>>>> I can see why OFCOM are concerned about stricter control concerning data
>>>> mode bandwidth.
>>>> g3kev
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:30 PM
>>>> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>>>>>
>>>>> centre frequency  503 khz
>>>>>
>>>>> tx mode usb
>>>>>
>>>>> power 30 watts tune signal
>>>>>
>>>>> Will send for next few hours
>>>>>
>>>>> Reports welcome
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Andy,

Is the bfo on the ra1792  synthesised ?  it is on my ra6790gm , but the 
trusty  ra1778 (I have to  say that or it  develop some obscure fault) has a 
free tune  1.4 mhz  bfo .so  no good for hyper stable data ! .. but phase 
locked 1.4 mhz cio .....or if you have a pilot tone you can lock onto that 
... follows 80 mtr am nicely and resolves as ssb .. cheating i know !

I tend to  announce,
dial frequency,
mode -usb
software marker frequency  ..

multipsk has a centre frequency mark which is handy ..!

Hope the run was of intrest ,

Graham ..



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From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:37 PM
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq

>
> If you have a radio with adjustable CW mode like most SDRs, and the
> RA1792, its easier to use CW mode.  Tune to the centre frequency of
> interest, set the filter appropriately and the BFO to the decoders
> preferred tone.
>
> For last nights listening, my SDR-IQ was set to CW mode, audio lower
> freq 400Hz, upper freq 1600Hz, BFO 1000Hz
>
> (You can set arbitrary upper/lower linits on the SSB filter as well on
> Spectravue), but guess who initially fell foul of seeing 503kHz
> specified and assumed it meant the same as the JT65A freq the other
> night.  So, on seeing the tones not where they 'should' have been and
> re-reading the email post...
>
> Must get round to writing a WSPR PIC routine for the AD9852 DDS
> similar to my existing JT65 beacons.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/3 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>> Tx bandwidth  and out of band signals ,
>>
>> Well after picking up the toys from around the cot and tidying up  the 
>> baby
>> finally  fell asleep ,silence finally ensued, a little familiarisation 
>> with
>> the way the radio works may help, just because the  rx dial  displays a
>> frequency out side the allocated band, doesn't actually mean the signal 
>> is
>> out side the band .. its all to do  with filter shape factor  and the
>> placement of the filter .... bit like dougle asking farther ted, are all 
>> the
>> cows in the field the same size as his little plastic toy one... no 
>> dougle,
>> this ones in your hand  and those are far away , right ted came the quick
>> reply .from a still confused dougle .
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:54 PM
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq
>>
>>>
>>> OM
>>> Your transmission is outside the band limit, spreading to 504.6 khz.
>>> I can see why OFCOM are concerned about stricter control concerning data
>>> mode bandwidth.
>>> g3kev
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:30 PM
>>> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>>>
>>>
>>>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>>>>
>>>> centre frequency  503 khz
>>>>
>>>> tx mode usb
>>>>
>>>> power 30 watts tune signal
>>>>
>>>> Will send for next few hours
>>>>
>>>> Reports welcome
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Hello Jim, LF,

this is interesting! Yesterday I did basically the same experiment using an audio filter, and saw no difference at all in decoding 
ability between full SSB bandwidth and a 250 Hz filter. I concluded (perhaps prematurely) that there is no blocking effect present.

Today I did another test by injecting an audio carrier from the Speclab generator within the WSPR search bandwidth. The "wanted 
signal" was F5WK signal at 1577 Hz with -57 dB below ADC fullscale, displaying -15 dB SNR at the time. I found that at a 1450 Hz 
carrier at -20 dBFS completely blocked decoding, even though the spectrogram traces of the WSPR signal and the carrier both looked 
perfect. Reducing the blocking carrier to -30 dBFS seemed to reduce Michel's SNR to -20 dB.

In hindsight, and with the information from Jim, I assume that the out-of-band interference levels in my first experiment simply 
have been too small to cause an effect. DCF39, the strongest daytime carrier, is attenuated by the SSB IF filter edge to about -34 
dBFS at originally 3330 Hz, which is then downconverted to 2830 Hz for the WSPR computer. So I now also believe that decoding might 
possibly be prevented by a 25 dB larger signal anywhere in the audio band.

I guess I will need to play more with this tomorrow.

Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM

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Dear Andrey, LF Group,

Here is an observation that might be relevant, (or perhaps not!) to the
problem of WSPR displaying a clear spectrogram trace of a signal, but
failing to decode it. I noticed it while looking for OH1LSQ's QRSS earlier,
and have now checked a bit more carefully.

First, I changed the BW from 250Hz to 2.4kHz so that I would be able to see
OH1SQ at 800Hz audio frequency (carrier frequency set to 136.000k) using
Spectrum Lab, and at the same time decode F5WK at around 1500Hz audio. This
required reducing RF/IF gain to prevent overloading by the DCF39 carrier at
2.83kHz audio. I could then see OH1LSQ OK, but although there was a good
trace from F5WK in WSPR, no decoding occured. (Changing the gain does not
alter the spectrogram appearance much, so presumably it is displaying SNR
rather than absolute signal level. ).

Reducing the bandwidth to 250Hz, with the gain still reduced, restored
normal decoding.

Increasing the bandwidth to 2.4kHz again, adjusting the passband shift
control, and changing the loop orientation to reduce DCF39 and Lakihegy to a
minimum while maintaining F5WK's signal, with the gain still reduced, also
gave normal decoding, although there was now assorted additional noise in
the passband.

It seems to me most likely that the failure to decode was due to the
presence of the strong tone at high audio frequency from DCF39, although
this tone was outside the WSPR frequency range, and not saturating the sound
card A/D converter or overloading the analogue RX channel.

So if there are other tones in your RX passband while receiving WSPR, it
appears they may prevent decoding occuring, even though a good signal is
displayed on the WSPR spectrogram.

This seems to be a reproducible case where a strong WSPR signal does not
decode on a receiving system that is known to work well. If others can
reproduce this, it may be worth contacting K1JT to see if he is aware of
this or can shed light on the matter.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU





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Sorry Hajo
=C2=A0
Looks like the Gibraltar trip ended with a Fleming diode (an enevelope detec=
tor)=C2=A0not a Coherer. But they do have useful range, with a whopping ante=
nna though.
=C2=A0
73 petefmt

--- On Tue, 6/1/09, M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 11:59 PM







Hi Hajo and LF
=C2=A0
But you still have the issue of Hi Impedance headphones. A Coherer allows yo=
u to switch a light or buzzer on and off. They are amazing in free state the=
y have a very high DC resistance (virtually open circuit)=C2=A0and once they=
 cohere it is virtually a dead short. But may be not as sensitive as a rusty=
 nail detector!=20
=C2=A0
There is a report of UK to Gibraltar using a 2.5kW Sparker on 350m and the R=
X being a Coherer. Not bad for Mechanical Radio!
=C2=A0
73 petefmt=C2=A0

--- On Tue, 6/1/09, hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de <hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-onlin=
e.de> wrote:

From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de <hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 11:42 PM


=C2=A0No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz.

73 DJ1ZB


=C2=A0"M0FMT" <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb:=20





Hi Mal and LF
=C2=A0
I am disapointed in you Mal to be=C2=A0considering an envelope detector. A t=
rue CW man, I would have thought,=C2=A0should only entertain the use of a Co=
here detector!
=C2=A0
Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a range 136=
kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a much la=
ger range of frequencies but not tested by me.
=C2=A0
http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm
=C2=A0
73 pefmt


=C2=A0


--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM





Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info from the web=
.
g3kev
=C2=A0

----- Original Message -----=20
From: riese-k3djc@juno.com=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


310113517964=C2=A0=C2=A0 E bay too
=C2=A0
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wri=
tes:

Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have had se=
veral requests for a circuit. To give=C2=A0others the opportunity=C2=A0to su=
bmit a cct I will await replies. This method=C2=A0was used successfully =C2=
=A0at Coldiz=C2=A0and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to MF/LF=20=
since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.
Build one and have a QSO using this RX
g3kev
=C2=A0
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"t=
op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Sorry Hajo</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Looks like the Gibraltar trip ended with a Fleming diode (an enevelope=20=
detector)&nbsp;not a Coherer. But they do have useful range, with a whopping=
 antenna though.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, M0FMT <I>&lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk=
&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: M0FMT &lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: L=
F: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>=
Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 11:59 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv586808024>
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<DIV>Hi <SPAN>Hajo</SPAN> and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>But you still have the issue of Hi Impedance headphones. A Coherer allo=
ws you to switch a light or buzzer on and off. They are amazing in free stat=
e they have a very high DC resistance (virtually open circuit)&nbsp;and once=
 they cohere it is virtually a dead short. But may be not as sensitive as a=20=
rusty nail detector! </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>There is a report of UK to Gibraltar using a 2.5kW S<SPAN>parker</SPAN>=
 on 350m and the RX being a Coherer. Not bad for Mechanical Radio!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 petefmt&nbsp;<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-onli=
ne.de <I>&lt;hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de &lt;hajo.brandt.dj1=
zb@t-online.de&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?<BR>=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 11:42 PM=
<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv937260577><FONT face=3D"Times&#13;&#10;New&#13;&#10;Roman" colo=
r=3D#000000 size=3D3>&nbsp;No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz=
.<BR><BR>73 DJ1ZB<BR><BR><BR></FONT>&nbsp;"M0FMT" &lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt;=20=
schrieb:=20
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<DIV>Hi Mal and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am disapointed in you Mal to be&nbsp;considering an envelope detector=
. A true CW man, I would have thought,&nbsp;should only entertain the use of=
 a Cohere detector!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a rang=
e 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a mu=
ch lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm" target=3D_blan=
k rel=3Dnofollow>http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 pefmt</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <I>&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.ne=
t&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Sub=
ject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Tu=
esday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv592381029>
<STYLE></STYLE>

<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone co=
nstruction. Not info from the web.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=
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 rel=3Dnofollow>riese-k3djc@juno.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D_blank rel=3Dno=
follow>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58=20=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Razor blade RX</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:=
g3kevmal@talktalk.net" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>g3kevmal@talktalk.net<=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence w=
ire RX a while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give&nbsp;=
others the opportunity&nbsp;to submit a cct I will await replies. This metho=
d&nbsp;was used successfully &nbsp;at Coldiz&nbsp;and other POW camps to rec=
eive BBC broadcasts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let us know how you would approach the subj=
ect. This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were recei=
cved on these bands.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Build one and have a QSO using this RX</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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 From what I remember, many modern blades will not work very well due to being alloys resistant to "rusting". The blade needs to develop a good coating of corrosion products and it seems not to matter whether this is achieved by natural oxidation by exposure to atmosphere or by encouragement by rubbing with salt. I believe the "fence wire" was used as antenna and together with an"earth/ground" achieved an aperiodic circuit. The audio was produced via a telephone earpiece. More sophisticated circuits were built using wound inductances and variable capacitors - either home-brew or purloined/traded. Otherwise "tuning" of the BBC was achieved by listenig at the appropriate time of day for suitable propogation. It is worth remembering that the guys who were doing this came from a generation who were more than used to creating radio in such simple ways and often driven to "clandestine" methods by restrictions placed on them at boarding schools. I can certainly remember constructing such a "Xtal" set at boarding school in 1954/55 using a coil from REPANCO of Coventry, a "postage stamp" trimmer, an unbranded "xtal diode" (early germanium point contact) and an earpiece which was one half of an ex-military headset. The rx was built into a very small wooden box little larger than a matchbox and after "lights-out" the antenna/earth connections were achieved by connection to bed springs and the hot water pipe that ran the length of the dormitory.? 


 It would be interesting to hear the experiences of other "old fogeys".

Incidentally, eperiments included substituting a baked bean can for the earpiece diaphragm in an attempt to let more of my friends listen to the BBC Light Programme!

And to think that from such are radio amateurs born!

73 de Pat G4GVW


 

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To: rsgb <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00
Subject: LF: Razor blade RX
















Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a 
while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give?others the 
opportunity?to submit a cct I will await replies. This method?was used 
successfully ?at Coldiz?and other POW camps to receive BBC 
broadcasts.


Let us know how you would approach the subject. 
This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on 
these bands.


Build one and have a QSO using this RX


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<div> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">From what I remember, many modern blades will not work very well due to being alloys resistant to "rusting". The blade needs to develop a good coating of corrosion products and it seems not to matter whether this is achieved by natural oxidation by exposure to atmosphere or by encouragement by rubbing with salt. I believe the "fence wire" was used as antenna and together with an"earth/ground" achieved an aperiodic circuit. The audio was produced via a telephone earpiece. More sophisticated circuits were built using wound inductances and variable capacitors - either home-brew or purloined/traded. Otherwise "tuning" of the BBC was achieved by listenig at the appropriate time of day for suitable propogation. It is worth remembering that the guys who were doing this came from a generation who were more than used to creating radio in such simple ways and often driven to "clandestine" methods by restrictions placed on them at boarding schools. I can certainly remember constructing such a "Xtal" set at boarding school in 1954/55 using a coil from REPANCO of Coventry, a "postage stamp" trimmer, an unbranded "xtal diode" (early germanium point contact) and an earpiece which was one half of an ex-military headset. The rx was built into a very small wooden box little larger than a matchbox and after "lights-out" the antenna/earth connections were achieved by connection to bed springs and the hot water pipe that ran the length of the dormitory.&nbsp; </font><br>
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<div> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">It would be interesting to hear the experiences of other "old fogeys".<br>
<br>
Incidentally, eperiments included substituting a baked bean can for the earpiece diaphragm in an attempt to let more of my friends listen to the BBC Light Programme!<br>
<br>
And to think that from such are radio amateurs born!<br>
<br>
73 de Pat G4GVW<br>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a 
while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give&nbsp;others the 
opportunity&nbsp;to submit a cct I will await replies. This method&nbsp;was used 
successfully &nbsp;at Coldiz&nbsp;and other POW camps to receive BBC 
broadcasts.</font></div>


<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Let us know how you would approach the subject. 
This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on 
these bands.</font></div>


<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Build one and have a QSO using this RX</font></div>


<div><font size="2" face="Arial">g3kev</font></div>


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> Hello,
>
> who is in DFCW around 136.307 - 136.308?
> I see DF6NM vy strong at .309, and RA3YO with a weak signal and QSB
> at 136311.2 - 136311.3 Hz.
>
> RA3YO uses long intervals between dots... a very long message!
>
> Then, I have a steady carrier with QSB at 136.310 - local or DX?
>
> 73 - Marco IK1ODO
>
>


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Graham, LF,

 

Thanks for "Flying The Flag" for me.

 

I am very pleased to say the least that the transverter worked & that my
idea using the TS-440 to compliment the set also worked. Just need to iron
out a few wrinkles but making good progress now.

 

I would also like to thank Graham (G0NBD) for his help & advice during the
construction of my project.

 

I will in due course continue the documentation of my project on the
UK500KHZ web site :-

 

http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz

 

Good luck to others who venture on the road to linearity.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Subject: LF: First Linear data qso G4WGT / G0NBD

 

First Linear data qso  G4WGT / G0NBD

 

Congratulations are in order ! 

 

Gary has successfully tested his home made HF to 500 Tx converter and 500 to
HF Rx converter this evening, utilising a TS440 as the primary driver and
the TS440 power amplifier , producing 20 watts on 500 Khz 

 

A good steady signal using PSK31 was received by myself  during a short
exchange of reports on 503.6 Khz . 

 

This now raises the number of station capable of transmitting all modes on
500 to  three, notably each station deploying differing approaches.

 

G0NBD           Refurbished Military and Marine 

M0BMU          His own design Linear  class E system

G4WGT           Classic linear HF/MF  home made transverter

 

G .. 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Thanks
for &#8220;Flying The Flag&#8221; for me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I am
very pleased to say the least that the transverter worked &amp; that my idea
using the TS-440 to compliment the set also worked. Just need to iron out a=20=
few
wrinkles but making good progress now.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I would
also like to thank Graham (G0NBD) for his help &amp; advice during the
construction of my project.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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:-<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Graham<br>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: First Linear dat=
a qso
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>First Linear data qso&nbsp; G4WGT / G0NBD<o:p></o:p></spa=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>Congratulations are in order ! <o:p></o:p></span></font><=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>Gary has successfully tested his home made HF to 500 Tx c=
onverter and
500 to HF Rx converter this evening, utilising a TS440 as the primary driver
and the TS440 power amplifier , producing 20 watts on 500 Khz <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>A good steady signal using PSK31 was received by myself&n=
bsp; during a
short exchange of reports on 503.6 Khz . <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>This now raises the number of station capable of transmit=
ting all modes
on 500 to&nbsp; three, notably each station deploying differing approaches.<=
o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>G0NBD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; Refurbished
Military and Marine <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>M0BMU&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; His own
design Linear&nbsp; class E system<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>G4WGT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; Classic
linear HF/MF&nbsp; home made transverter<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
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Hi Jean-Pierre,

No personal mail received yet ...
What I tried to send you is this info about the frequency offset in your 
spectogram configuration:

 >Did you mean
(a) the frequency offset for the spectrogram display,
or (b) the frequency shifter in the FFT filter ?

If it's (a) - see attachment. I simply entered "128k" in the "Offs" 
field in the main window. After 2 seconds, the frequency scale changes, 
and the offset is added.
The "k" suffix means kHz here, it's the same as entering "128000" for 
lazy people like myself.

Of course this does not affect the processing, only the display. The 
modified configuration is attached.   (well, *was* attached)
<

Hope the others don't mind this being sent through the reflector. My 
email address is blocked by Jean-Pierre's ISP.


73,
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Graham, LF,

 

Getting decodes in all 3 modes, of course not a great distance but thought
you would like a report.

 

Cheers,

 

Gary - G4WGT

 

  _____  

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
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Subject: LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late 

 

 

Running  data mode , DominoF and olivia  8x250  , wspr 

power about 20  watts per mode ..tx set started  1630

 

502 khz - usb

 

using  two multipsk in beacon mode , frequencies  centre marker , wspr tone
1550 hz 

 

Dominof    1300 hz

olivia        900 hz

wspr         1550 hz (33% tx)

 

Never used the Domino system , looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250 

same 3 lines of text for each.

 

Due to  tr switching problems , no rx 

 

Graham

G0NBD

IO83LK 

 

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Getting
decodes in all 3 modes, of course not a great distance but thought you would
like a report.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
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0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Graham<br>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: 502 khz usb Domi=
nof
olivia 8x250 now till late </span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></spa=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Running&nbsp; data mode=
 , DominoF and
olivia&nbsp; 8x250&nbsp; , wspr </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack f=
ace=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>power about 20&nbsp; wa=
tts per mode ..tx
set started&nbsp; 1630</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTaho=
ma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><o:p></o:=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>502 khz - usb</span></f=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>using&nbsp; two multips=
k in beacon mode ,
frequencies&nbsp; centre marker , wspr tone 1550 hz </span></font><font size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Dominof&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; color:black'><o:p></o:p></sp=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>olivia&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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hz</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'fo=
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=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>wspr&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1550
hz (33% tx)</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span st=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Never used the Domino s=
ystem , looks to
be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250 </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack=20=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
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r each.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Due to&nbsp; tr switchi=
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rx </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'f=
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Im quizzed about my RF environement and what I can see from here - Ive just=20=
taken a daytime (0422z) snapshot of what I see between 1 and 190kHz for inte=
rest....
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http://kl1x.com/mysig.jpg
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The Russian Alphas are pretty strong and not suprisingly the LW bcst station=
s are pretty good during the day - Mongolia on 164kHz around 1300kHz is clea=
r but wide with some audio spurii.. The noise floor aint that bad now, but I=
m favored with a metaled frame building with an extensive lightning protecti=
on system which acts as a cage (my probe outer coax is tied to it...) and th=
ere is now very little leakage out of the internals of the  building and up=20=
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&nbsp;<BR>
Im quizzed about my RF environement and what I can see from here - Ive just=20=
taken a daytime (0422z) snapshot of what I see between 1 and 190kHz for inte=
rest....<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
<A href=3D"http://kl1x.com/mysig.jpg">http://kl1x.com/mysig.jpg</A><BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
The Russian Alphas are pretty strong and not suprisingly the LW bcst station=
s are pretty good during the day - Mongolia on 164kHz around 1300kHz is clea=
r but wide with some audio spurii.. The noise floor aint that bad now, but I=
m favored with a metaled frame building with an extensive lightning protecti=
on system which acts as a cage (my probe outer coax is tied to it...) and th=
ere is now very little leakage out of the internals of the &nbsp;building an=
d up to the roof where the probe is.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Cheers<BR>
Laurence BY3A/KL1X Tanngu China<BR>
-20C and blowing 40<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
<RTE_TEXT></RTE_TEXT><BR><br /><hr />Hotmail=AE goes where you go. On a PC,=20=
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Dear Mark, LF Group,

Thanks for the reports -

> Interestingly  sometimes I am seeing an extra faint trace from Jim, almost 
> exactly 100Hz up and it even decoded on one over. It is much weaker (at 
> least 15dB down). An alias / mixing product on my system? or is anyone 
> else seeing this?
> I am not seeing any extra signals on the DI2AM beacon, which is  on 
> average 10dB stronger than Jim

I thought there might be some problem with mains ripple somewhere in the TX 
system, but I just checked the TX signal on the antenna feeder here, and the 
100Hz sidebands are about -50dB WRT the carrier, which is not abnormally 
high - I would be very suprised if you could actually detect sidebands at 
that level from your QTH. Can anyone else see the sidebands?

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Greetings again all:

I had high hopes for reception of the WSPR signals, however it
just didn't make it. I listened from 22:00 utc till 04:00 utc, 
Maybe another time ! 73; and enjoy yourselves in the hobby.


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN.
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 184.322 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35* 43' 54" - W:  84* 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr


--- On Wed, 1/7/09, James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> From: James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 5:36 PM
> Dear Graham, Andy, LF Group,
> 
> Now copying G0NDB on 503.548 according to the WSPR decode
> window. Graham's signal is about S3 here.
> 
> I intend to have the beacon running overnight with the same
> settings, so let's hope for the best!
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU


      


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Hello LFers,

Is the default setting for the two slider controls above where
you enter your frequencies OK?  What exactly do they do?
Thanks in advance from someone still learning the ropes.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle




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On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:08:45 -0500
<jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:

> WE2XGR/2 will be in WSPR mode tonight starting 2030Z 

PS - I have the grabber uploading at 5 minute intervals showing the
range 508.000 - 509.000

http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_500.jpg

Cheers,

John


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Hi Dave, Henny and LF group,

Thanks for the fine capture, Henny.  With a bit of imagination, a complete
callsign can be resolved.

Dave, the TX comprises an F1AFJ synthesier with an output of 6 MHz
buffered with a G3NYK BJT stage to a CMOS 4020 divide by 32 and keyed
using the reset line with a diode matrix ID'er set at ~QRSS75.  The 
184.5093 square wave from the 4020 is fed to the gate of an IRF630
of a Class E amp (Thanks to Alan's spreadsheet design).  The output
is 10 watts.  This goes to a pair of pie wound litz coils (~0.9 mH)
whose separation is adjusted to tune a 100m wire at about 10m high.
Matching is achieved using an autotransformer, although the
resistive component appears to be close to 50 ohms. The aerial current
is about 0.5 amps.

73
Joe

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, dave.riley3 wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
> Can you give us your TX details again?
>
> TNX
>
> Dave @ WD2XSH/17
>
>
>
>


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Thank you Victor!
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73 Warren K2ORS
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On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:00 AM,  <victor13@online.nl> wrote:
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Hi Jim and LF,

I hadn't expected this to be so easy! And it's fun to see the immediate feedback on the database. Thanks very much to NL9222, F5WK, 
M0BMU, DL4YHF, F4DTL, IK5ODO, F4EMV and G4WGT for sending your reports.

I normally run about 200 W RF and 3.6 amps antenna current, but for the last two hours, I had set back the power supply to 75 W 
giving  2.2 amps. Antenna efficiency is on the order of 0.2 %. Transmit operation here also depends very much on favourable 
weather...

Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM



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Hello LF!
Does anybody know something about lines on the picture? They appear every da=
y after sunset and disappear with sunrise. They are very stable and on the a=
ccurate frequency. I know lines from Loran-C, but these lines are another el=
se, I think.=20

Thanks!

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Hello LF!<br>Does anybody know something about lines on the picture? They ap=
pear every day after sunset and disappear with sunrise. They are very stable=
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:56:11 -0500
<jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:

> WE2XGR/2 will be transmitting in WSPR mode tonight starting 2200Z on
> a dial frequency of 507.000 kHz.
> 
> Reports are appreciated.
> 

22:00 -19dB 

My first T/A WSPR reception on 500kHz!

Cheers,

John
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Some spectrum plots of the WSPR signal can be seen at

   http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr-spectra/

These were generated at 1500Hz using WSPR.EXE, directly converted to
RF and fed via an attenuator to an SDR-IQ for measuring and displaying
the spectrum.

If we use the widely accepted -40dBc criteria for adjacent channel
spurii, then it is clear the transmission can be centred at up to 10Hz
below the upper band edge.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/26 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>
> Are we to  adopt  502.400 Hz  USB dial frequency for WSPR ?
> With  1500 Hz audio centre band tone.
>
> RF mid band   carrier frequency of  503.900 Hz ?
>
> With 6 hz modulation and phase continues  tone side bands and
> guard band are  not a issue, the band edge is protected?
>
> 504KHz  and its sidebands are actually  x2 of the fundamental
> so  should not present a problem as the 200 Hz slot is in a
> close in, dead zone, there amplitude increasing lower into the band,
> one of the reasons qrss and range testing takes place in this
> 'noisy' zone.
>
> I will add a  note to  the uk500khz group and links in others  with details
> if
> acceptable to widen the reporting base.
>
> Tnx-
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:21:29 -0000
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> Thanks John,
> 
> Its printing ok off air locally , but I am seeing some 'hash' at
> about -40 db

Okay Graham,

I see others reporting inconsistent decodes of you on the chat page at
WSPRnet, so it's not just me.

The last few have been okay, and weaker. I'm having no trouble with
Jim's +5dB signal, so absolute strength doesn't seem to be the problem,
but your sig is certainly easier when it's weaker, which is
counterintuitive!

Off to bed now, will leave RX running, spots to WSPRnet.

GN
John


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Hi John, LF,

You wrote :-
>>>>Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW ERP from a
large one.

The main criteria here is that 5 watts to a large antenna would produce a
higher ERP than from a small antenna so therefore the 5 watts would go
farther.

Question - would 2mW ERP from a large antenna go farther than 2mW from a
small antenna to the same extent as the 5 watts to the different antennas?

Gary - G4WGT.

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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:24:23 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.
>
Hello Gary, LF,

I'm getting a fairly reliable signal from you, with just enough QSB to
dip under the decoding margin from time to time.

As to power reporting, I see that most people on LF/MF are attempting
to estimate ERP, and use this figure in the beacon data.

There was much discussion on the WSPR forum on the merits or otherwise
of this approach, in the HF sphere at least.

It might be easier if we adopted the same approach as is recommended
for HF use - to report the actual TX power, not ERP.

I see your last beacon is reporting 3dBm! Wow... that really is "flea
power". Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW
ERP from a large one.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV 



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if (windy)
  use_a_kite();
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----

John P-G wrote:
> To go much higher I'd need to excavate holes and form some concrete
> blocks for holding guying points, and another for the mast base, and
> then I might get 15-20m or so, in scaffold pole. A tower is out of the
> question, for expense and visual impact.



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Have set up to monitor 136K WSPR using 1200' longwire orientated E/W here in 
FN85ki Nova Scotia Canada.

Will leave it on for a few days...not sure if reception is possible...you just 
never know :-)

Best regards,

Vernon - VE1VDM
Greenfield NS
Canada



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137 kHz EU stations

There are probably at least a few stations in the US (including me!) that have been and are still 
interested in receiving your signals. Unfortunately, all EU stations seem to have moved their 
transmitters into the US transmitting window at 137778 kHz. When US stations are transmitting (which 
is often) this prevents any chance for reception of EU stations at many receiving locations.

Looking back at T/A captures from years past I see that the EU transmitting window was previously 
centered on 136318 kHz. This provided adequate frequency separation and I was successful at 
receiving stations with even modest setups. I wonder how this frequency change came about and 
whether EU stations would consider going back to their old transmitting window. Thoughts?

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/1

(blind toward EU on 137 kHz...)




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Tnx Jay
Your signal good at 2257utc OOO copy have pic
73 gn de mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 11:16 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Mal

  Nothing at all so far. Have to leave in another 15 minutes...sorry...

  Jay

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Jay
    Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and a=
gn 2214 utc
    It looks ok so far.
    mal
    g3kev

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:09 PM
      Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


      Mal

      If you can operate duplex like last time perhaps you should begin tran=
smitting at 2200Z and I'll break in when I see your signal. You had better c=
opy on my signal last time. Unfortunately I can only hang around until 2330Z=
 tonight. Frequencies are as you stated in your previous e mail.=20

      Jay



        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: mal hamilton=20
        To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
        Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:21 PM
        Subject: LF: Re: Re: MF CONDX


        Jay
        Sunset ur end  could be a good start time. I can work Russians sunse=
t and before fm here across as far as UA9 es UA0 and ZL.

        73 mal/g3kev

          ----- Original Message -----=20
          From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
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          Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:21 PM
          Subject: LF: Re: MF CONDX


          Mal

          Antenna is back up in the air here...but we're expecting a snow st=
orm starting mid afternoon running through tomorrow morning. Suspect static=20=
levels will be high but will be happy to take a look...if you care to transm=
it at a specific time.

          Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
            ----- Original Message -----=20
            From: mal hamilton=20
            To: rsgb=20
            Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:46 AM
            Subject: LF: MF CONDX


            MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone=
 available this week end.
            Temp minus 3 today so far antenna ok

            mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tnx Jay</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your signal good at 2257utc OOO copy have=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 gn de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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>jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2009 11=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
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  15 minutes...sorry...</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
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    hamilton</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
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    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF=20
    CONDX</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qs=
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    seen 2207 then gap and agn 2214 utc</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It looks ok so far.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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r: black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Djrusgrove@comcast.net         href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@comc=
ast.net">jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A         title=3Drsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org         href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rs=
gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 200=
9 9:09=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: MF=20
      CONDX</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you can operate duplex like last t=
ime=20
      perhaps you should begin transmitting at 2200Z and I'll break in when=20=
I=20
      see your signal. You had&nbsp;better copy on my signal last time.=20
      Unfortunately I can only hang around until 2330Z tonight. Frequencies=20=
are=20
      as you stated in your previous e mail. </FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
        <DIV           style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-=
color: black"><B>From:</B>=20
        <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.ne=
t">mal=20
        hamilton</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A           title=3Drsgb=
_lf_group@blacksheep.org           href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o=
rg">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
        </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2=
009=20
        1:21 PM</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: MF CONDX=
</DIV>
        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sunset ur end&nbsp; could be a good=
 start=20
        time. I can work Russians sunset and before fm here across as far as=
 UA9=20
        es UA0 and ZL.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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          <DIV             style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; f=
ont-color: black"><B>From:</B>=20
          <A title=3Djrusgrove@comcast.net             href=3D"mailto:jrusgr=
ove@comcast.net">jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A             title=
=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org             href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@bla=
cksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
          </DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10,=
 2009=20
          3:21 PM</DIV>
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          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antenna is back up in the air her=
e...but=20
          we're expecting a snow storm starting mid afternoon running throug=
h=20
          tomorrow morning. Suspect static levels will be high but will be h=
appy=20
          to take a look...if you care to transmit at a specific=20
          time.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp;=20
          WE2XGR/2</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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            <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net               href=3D"mailto:g3=
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            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A               titl=
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            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 1=
0,=20
            2009 9:46 AM</DIV>
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John, G0API, has been monitoring my QRP WSPR beacon most of the afternoon,
and getting the occasional decode at a S/N of -19dB, ie quite good.
However, he only manages a decode about one time in 10, randomly.  The
frequency is usually reported as ....855 instead of the ...870 it should be,
although once in a while, it reports 870 and gives a proper decode.   So it
looks as if he may have some sort of intermitetnt fault that affects
sampling rate.

After thinking about the problem with G0NBD's signal recently, I tried
breaking my transmission, sending just the first 30 seconds, the first
minute etc and seem to have hit on some success.

In both cases, where I sent the first 45 seonds and 1 minute, it  decoded
correctly at his end, albeit still a reported frequency of ...855.   So, I'm
assuming John has as soundcard sampling rate error, and have now sent him
away to inject an accurate 1500Hz tone as see what the WSPR software's own
spectum display reports it as.   If the sampling rate is as far away as the
870/855Hz errors suggest, it sould be around 1% out.

Curiouser and curiouser...

I see signal strength at M0BMU has hardly altered as we've gone from day to
night.   No D-Layer artefacts over a 120km path ?

Andy  G4JNT
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<div>John, G0API, has been monitoring my QRP WSPR beacon most of the afterno=
on, and getting the occasional decode at a S/N of -19dB, ie quite good.</div=
>
<div>However, he only manages a decode about one time in 10, randomly.&nbsp;=
&nbsp;The frequency is usually reported as ....855 instead of the ...870 it=20=
should be, although&nbsp;once in a while, it reports 870 and gives a proper=20=
decode.&nbsp;&nbsp; So it looks as if he may have some sort of intermitetnt=20=
fault that affects sampling rate.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>After thinking about the problem with G0NBD&#39;s&nbsp;signal recently,=
 I tried breaking my transmission, sending just the first 30 seconds, the fi=
rst minute etc and seem to have hit on some success.&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>In both cases, where I sent the first 45 seonds and 1 minute, it&nbsp;&=
nbsp;decoded correctly at his end, albeit still&nbsp;a reported&nbsp;frequen=
cy of ...855.&nbsp;&nbsp; So, I&#39;m assuming John has as soundcard samplin=
g rate error, and have now sent him away to inject an accurate&nbsp;1500Hz t=
one as see what the WSPR software&#39;s own spectum display reports it as.&n=
bsp;&nbsp; If the sampling rate is as far away as the 870/855Hz errors sugge=
st, it sould be around 1% out.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Curiouser and curiouser...</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I&nbsp;see signal strength at M0BMU has hardly altered as we&#39;ve gon=
e from day to night.&nbsp;&nbsp; No D-Layer artefacts over a 120km path ?</d=
iv>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com">=
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Victor,
   Thank you for the report and capture!

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>
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Hi Joe
capture vo1na
73s
henny cpm
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Joe</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture vo1na</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny cpm</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het 
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Hi Warren,
capture xgj
Henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Warren,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture xgj</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henny pa3cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende 
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Wolfgang B=C3=BCscher wrote:

>
>> =20
>
> I do confirm that there is a blocking effect in the WSPR decoder, but=20
> I am not really sure about the details...
> ......
> But drawing any conclusion may be premature - some neighbour may=20
> simply have switched off his local QRM generator.
> My impression is that some processing stages within the WSPR decoder=20
> lack dynamic range, or the FFT has significant leakage, or some part=20
> of the calculation is done with short integer values (instead of=20
> double precision floating point values). The decoder is open source,=20
> but lacking any knowledge of the Fortran programming language, I won't=20
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> .......
> 73,
>  Wolf DL4YHF  ...-.-
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>
Hi Wolfgang, LF
i also can confirm some sort of the "blocking" effect but indeed it is=20
to early to draw serious conclusions .  when i red your mail and you=20
mentioned about the FFT
as a  "side product"  of the ongoing discussion i just  realized why=20
wspr is using  this , say, strange,  12000 Hz sampling rate ( there was=20
also some fuss about this
particular sampling rate due to its non-integer downconverting from=20
hardware established 44100 Hz and therefore  - it is guessing - causing=20
some problems with decoding  the signal properly) . the wspr is using=20
bin size of FFT =3D8192.  In other words , the 162 data  bits are audio=20
sampled 8192 times each and therefore when using 12000 Hz sampling rate=20
the wspr transmission lasts  162*8192/12000  =3D 110.59 seconds  - less =20
than  2 minutes  - it composes nicely into 2 minutes periods of TX/RX=20
etc.. providing also a room for time adjustments  t/r switching  quick=20
decisions  what  # of tx message  to pick up when being in the wsjt/qso=20
mode ..
if  the 11025 sampling rate was used than we have 162*8192/11025 =3D=20
120.37 seconds   i.e. JUST OVER 2 minutes period   with  all the=20
'consequences'  ...

                                                                           =20=
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73, peter, sq7mpj
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Am I on the right track.??.

Short of downloading the WSPR software, this is what I see tonight near 
503.500...

SpectraVue http://www.radiocom.net/600M/WSPR503500.bmp

And on ARGO QRSS3 a few hertz below 503.5 = 
http://www.radiocom.net/600M/WSPR00000.jpg

Looks louder and cleaner on QRSS10

Lots of QRN tonight...

Or is it just a birdy??


TNX

Dave @ WD2XSH/17  ( in the colonies )



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>
>> Shouldn't they be marked as such by the program ? I have seen in the past 
>> some rows
>> received by WSPR with the tag (bad msg)...  but maybe it catches only 
>> some of the errors...



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 Hi Roelof,

While I am prepared to concede that dyslexia may be the cause of the examples I quote, it does not excuse the misuse of the language.

As an illustration the sentences "I have taken their money."? and "I have taken there, money." have entirely different meanings (ignore the comma) in spoken English and in modern useage, where punctuation seems to be "optional", written English may be equally ambiguous.

The ability to produce reports that are definitive and accurate may be vital to many roles.

73 de Pat G4GVW? 


 


 

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Hello All,?
?

This are fine examples of dyslexia, a far more common problem than generally known.?

It has nothing do to with intelligence as such, as some of the most gifted persons on earth "suffered" from it.?

One example that springs to my mind was Winston Churchill.?
?

Text control won't help much as "there" and their" are genuine English words.?
?

Reading and writing is a skill just like walking.?

You won't judge someone's intelligence by the way he walks, won't you!?
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<div> Hi Roelof,<br>
<br>
<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">While I am prepared to concede that dyslexia may be the cause of the examples I quote, it does not excuse the misuse of the language.<br>
<br>
As an illustration the sentences "<i><b>I have taken their money</b></i>."<i><b>&nbsp; </b></i>and "<i><b>I have taken there, money." </b></i>have entirely different meanings (ignore the comma) in spoken English and in modern useage, where punctuation seems to be "optional", written English may be equally ambiguous.<br>
<br>
The ability to produce reports that are definitive and accurate may be vital to many roles.<br>
<br>
73 de Pat G4GVW&nbsp;<i><b> </b></i><br>
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Hello All,&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

This are fine examples of dyslexia, a far more common problem than generally known.&nbsp;<br>

It has nothing do to with intelligence as such, as some of the most gifted persons on earth "suffered" from it.&nbsp;<br>

One example that springs to my mind was Winston Churchill.&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

Text control won't help much as "there" and their" are genuine English words.&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

Reading and writing is a skill just like walking.&nbsp;<br>

You won't judge someone's intelligence by the way he walks, won't you!&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

Best regards,&nbsp;<br>

Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt&nbsp;<br>
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(And yes, dyslexia is part of my daytime job!)&nbsp;<br>
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Hi Andy,

you don't have to reinvent the whole wheel. You may find some useful pieces in
the file mjb002.zip at:

  http://web.telia.com/~u33233109/


Message, timing calibration, DDS frequency/shift, TX probability and GPS baud
rate (NMEA) is programmable via the UART (ASCII) and saved in EEPROM. Output is
either 2-bit binary for "FSKing" a VCXO or direct AD9850 DDS control and a TX
keying line. Runs on a 'F628 and works UFB.

73
Johan SM6LKM

Andy Talbot wrote:
> I'm looking at code to generate  a WSPR signal directly from a DDS/PIC
> combination controlled from GPS timing



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This man restore hope!
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>
> Yes Mal and the occasion for much celebration (not to mention relief!) 
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> 73 Warren K2ORS
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> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:10 PM, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> 
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Ah ha... G4WGT has just appeared - two decodes, -24 and -21dB S/N
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Dear David, LF Group,

The WSJT modes are certainly effective, and quite easy to use . However it 
should be noted that there is something of a disparity in terms of ERP - The 
WE2XGR licences permit up to 200W ERP. I don't know what the ERP of XGR/2 
is, but looking at the station details on Jay's web pages, I guess it must 
be a good deal more than 1W! So getting signals from UK -> USA is likely to 
be a bit more difficult.

The dB level refers to the SNR in a bandwidth of 2.5kHz, and this reference 
point is used for all the WSJT programmes. The WSPR beacon signals have 
decoded successfully down to about -30dB, so should give a bit more margin 
still - M0BMU has been decoded a few times across the pond using WSPR at the 
1W ERP level; I have not tried JT65A yet.

It is a bit hard to compare the signal levels required to produce readable 
QRSS and successful decodes of JT65 / WSPR by looking at off-air signals. I 
got the impression looking at the XGR/2 signals using Spectrum Lab that the 
levels producing successful decodes were a good QRSS3 level, and perhaps a 
marginal QRSS1 level, but more systematic tests would be required. The 
bandwidth required by QRSS3 is about 0.3Hz, which would improve the SNR by 
39dB compared to the 2500Hz WSJT reference bandwidth. I reckon you need 6dB 
or so SNR to copy QRSS, so that would put QRSS3 at about -33dB on the WSJT 
scale, but this takes no account of varying signal levels.

I think the most important benefit when these modes are compared with QRSS, 
etc. is the increased data rate. If you were to send "WE2XGR/2 FN31" as 
QRSS, it would take around 160 bit periods, about 8 minutes at QRSS 3, as 
against 1 minute for JT65A and 2 minutes for WSPR. DFCW would be quicker, at 
about 3.3 minutes. The reduced time period should allow you to take 
advantages of short periods of higher signal strength in the QSB. It seems 
to be unusual to see periods of several minutes when a deep fade does not 
occur

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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>
> Interesting result Jim / Jay.
>
> I assume that the figure that varies between -17 and -23 is the receive
> value in dB.
> Given the observation about local noise then it may be the case that UK -
> USA could be achieved with 6 to 9dB less power.



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Hi LF,

That is the conclusion I came to, adjust for personal waterfall display
settings, no effect on decoding.

Gary - G4WGT.


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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:41:24 -0000
"J. B. Weazle McCreath" <weazle@hurontel.on.ca> wrote:

> Hello LFers,
> 
> Is the default setting for the two slider controls above where
> you enter your frequencies OK?  What exactly do they do?
> Thanks in advance from someone still learning the ropes.


I believe they control the visual sensitivity and contrast of the
waterfall display, nothing more, and probably aren't important for
decoding.

Others may have more information. 

I haven't adjusted them from the default positions.

Cheers,

John


> 
> 



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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:00:36 -0000
"mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

> With wspr and some other digital modes if one did not ANNOUNCE the
> frequency of operation the transmission would NEVER be found.

And the problem with this is?

It is intended to be used in this manner.

However, if your PC clock was accurately set and you observed on a
waterfall displar regular traces starting on exact even minutes
lasting 1 minute 54 seconds you might be confident in the assumption
that this was WSPR mode you were observing.


This mode seems to have rattled your cage somewhat (what doesn't,
unlsess it's CW?) but really, if you don't like it then you're free to
do anything else you please. 

Why do you have such a problem with others following their own
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J


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=20
Ill be moving the overnight Eastern China Grabber up from 136307 area to the=
 USA/Eu Window 137.775/781 for the next few days to look out for long haul U=
SA East coast at my dusk. Ive got the noise down here by another 1.5dB which=
 is rather pleasing - having successfully got a flourescent tube finally tur=
ned off in the lift machinery room to the left of the probe.
http://kl1x.com/BY3a%20probe.jpg - this was some task believe me - its taken=
 a month of negotiation to flick a switch.
=20
My old home station in Mongolia on 164kHz is particularly strong at -30dBm a=
nd pretty "wide" looking at the spectrum on the SDR - Wider than I used to s=
ee for some reason. For info Im using a 7 element 500kHz LPF to cut down the=
 multiple -10dBm Medium wave signals in the 1Mhz region - it really alleviat=
es some of the images from the SDR-IQ.
=20
Thanks to all for the signals - UA4WPF nightly continues to be good to stron=
g at times, at the 4500Kms mark and fade period around 25 mins, but fades ar=
ent that deep.
=20
 EU utilities are slightly elevated above norms around -70dBm now some 25-30=
dB above noise. DCF39 is around 7600kms from here.=20
=20
Signals appreaciated from all inc  UA4WPF, RA9CUA's "u" in DFCW and others.
=20
Time for work Laurence By3A/KL1X OM89UA
http://kl1x.com
_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync.=20
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Ill be moving the overnight&nbsp;Eastern China Grabber up from 136307 area t=
o the USA/Eu Window 137.775/781 for the next few days to look out for long h=
aul USA East coast at my dusk. Ive got the noise down here by another 1.5dB=20=
which is rather pleasing - having successfully got&nbsp;a flourescent tube f=
inally turned off in the lift machinery room to the left of the probe.<BR>
<A href=3D"http://kl1x.com/BY3a%20probe.jpg">http://kl1x.com/BY3a%20probe.jp=
g</A>&nbsp;- this was some task believe me - its taken a month of negotiatio=
n to flick a switch.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
My old home station in Mongolia on 164kHz is particularly strong at -30dBm a=
nd pretty "wide" looking at the spectrum on the SDR -&nbsp;Wider than I used=
 to see&nbsp;for some reason.&nbsp;For info Im using a 7 element 500kHz LPF=20=
to cut down the multiple -10dBm Medium wave signals in the 1Mhz region - it=20=
really alleviates some of the images from the SDR-IQ.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Thanks to all for the signals - UA4WPF nightly&nbsp;continues to be good to=20=
strong at times, at the 4500Kms mark and fade period around 25 mins, but fad=
es arent that deep.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;EU utilities are slightly elevated above norms around -70dBm now some=20=
25-30dB above noise. DCF39 is around 7600kms from here. <BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Signals appreaciated from all inc&nbsp; UA4WPF, RA9CUA's "u" in DFCW and oth=
ers.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Time for work Laurence By3A/KL1X OM89UA<BR>
<A href=3D"http://kl1x.com">http://kl1x.com</A><BR><br /><hr />Windows Live=
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Hi Joe,

nil on the screen

Henny cpm
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hi Joe and All,

nothing seen,
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Markus,

Well I can see your signal on speclab and the wspr plot but only decodes Jim 
? odd

G ..

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>
> Thanks to Dave, and to all others who reported either directly or via the 
> WSPR spot database. I will now QRT for tonigtht.
>
> Good night everyone
> Markus, DF6NM
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave G3WCB" <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
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> How about that?
>
> - simultaneous decodes from Jim and Markus!
>
>
> 233159   8  -1  1.8   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23
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> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
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>



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Tonight another episode of transmissions taking up about 1 khz of spectrum 
in a 3 khz allocation.
I think the time has come to ask OFCOM for their opinion. These are not 
experimental transmissions,  just established modes generating QRM to the 
rest of the 500 khz community and QRM GENERATORS, and not suitable for 500 
khz.
The 500 khz band will SEFL DESTRUCT with this type of anti social behaviour. 
I would not blame OFCOM if they pulled the plug.
and they do read these messages along with the RSGB coordinator.
G3KEV

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RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


Ok Gary,

Thats the first odd report hihi ...psk was not supposed to be better .......
! doesn't look well for decodes at range .. i will try and add a few more
watts ..

are you running  x 3 multipsk at once ? the beacon text is :-

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk

Tnx - G ..



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Subject: LF: RE: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON -
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Graham, LF,
>
> OK all copied here at varying percentages.
>
> MFSK8
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ea dKt  tp r¢iúiik1kE Keonoe
> x'!etiwB Faøoit"0iüTelt !cgneÊW¥ Dr gf ! la(  i:a ¾dõie.Yp  a.t¢ P
> ntiaeyt
> rl k ¢gt s CDdo   bd
> CQ CQ V) DE...g0abd   8©x  ag0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ ..±tßnbd  g0n!d  g0nbw kkk Ä& Äjt  öÎ  E.xg0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ Jd  t E...g0nbd  yz0nbd   C©oLQ CQ DE.n ki±ngS §/  g0P%iKhk er xu5ui
> i¹a tyfbhttaq=  ihÄiod  elmha n n E¡tdi¢nbeeue NtotmâeNRxeca
>
> PSK31
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Olivia 8 x 250
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbj<"g0nbd  kkk z34QU
> @DK   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQXs[ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk Q cY9L,'6   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd
> g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  0}^)  g0nbd
> CQ C1@#Q DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk H1R7Y
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING
> NOW
> - 1615 HRS
>
> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in
> parallel
>
> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running
> on
>
> the same pc in beacon mode
>
> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference
> signal
> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>
> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>
> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>
> Running  3 mode beacon
>
> Dial set   502 khz usb
>
> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>
> 1250 hz   psk31
>
> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>
> Reports  welcome
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
> Io83LK
>
>
>
>
>



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>




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Hi Jim ,

Good copy of your WSPR beacon in JN06HT
Conditions : K9AY qtf 295=B0 ( not for you ! )
pr=E9amp and IC746 + soft K1JT
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

James Moritz a =E9crit :
> Dear John, LF Group,
>
> The WSPR beacon is now running on 137.50kHz (RF out), 136.0kHz "dial=20
> frequency", 33% TX. Any reports would be very welcome.

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Paul Henrik,

good QRSS-3 copy here in Nuernberg as well - here's a snippet (or sniplet?) around 16:10. We're looking forward to when you are 
ready for two-way QSO's ;-)

You mentioned that Reino is no longer active on LF? Haven't heard or seen him for a long time...

Kind regards
Markus, DF6NM

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Hello LF

Will continue the transmission on 136.80kHz over the evening and night.


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD





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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:34:34 -0000

> 
> You're very strong - would be clearly readable as CW;  JNT is rather
> weaker but audible.


Hello Jim, LF,

Currently listening to your QSO on CW with Chas. This is the first time
I think I've heard you on "real man's CW". Even in wideband mode, so I
can continue the WPSR monitoring, you're a good 539 in the old money.

G4JNT is still decoding on WSPR, and is also now audible, although the
poor old 400MHz laptop is struggling to decode in the presence of the
CW.

Cheers,

John
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Dear all,

for various reasons (busy, antenna down due to construction) I haven't  
been active during the past 2 months.
Today I re-installed the (improved) antenna. The work paid off,  
antenna current is up from 2.4 A to 2.8 A.
But as I tried the grabbers some seemed to have gone or moved. G3YXM  
and GM4ISM are still where they used to be, but I couldn't find G4WGT  
and GM4SLV.
Googling them didn't help (lot's of hits but all to dead links).

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

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Hi Doc and LF
=C2=A0
I am with you on points 1/2/3/5/6/7 and 8.
Nice one but don't leave us.
=C2=A0
73 petefmt

--- On Wed, 7/1/09, Dr. Tom Gruis <donnatom@netins.net> wrote:

From: Dr. Tom Gruis <donnatom@netins.net>
Subject: RE: LF: Razor blade RX
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Cc: "Tom Gruis" <donnatom@netins.net>
Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:33 PM

Items:

1. I thought this was a list for people interested in radio and LF/VLF, etc.
specifically.

2.  I very rarely have posted although I read the list regularly and have
been trying to learn. In this case I felt I had a viable contribution. I am
sorry that you disagree. This has been just a little thread for a few days
but does capture the interests of a few of us.

3. I respect the members of this list for their individual skills and
talents and respect their ideas.

4. I have sent messages three or four times asking to be removed from this
list. Would someone please help me do that? If no one does I will just mark
these e-mail as junk mail and be done with it.

5. As per an earlier posting today, USE YOUR DELETE KEY!

6. I pity the lack of courtesy of the part of a FEW on this list. Mal makes
good points and observations but so do his detractors ABOUT RADIO! The
personal attacks are silly at best.

7. There are most likely just a few of us sharing this interest and things
should be more civil.

8. My supply of the dorsal portions of the specified rodents is nil.
Therefore, I can no longer offer any.

9. Please get me out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TNX es 73,

Dr. Tom Gruis
___________________________________________________________________________


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 17:15
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Can we not put an end to this nonsense? Who gives a rat's ass about razor
blade radios?

VE7SL






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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"t=
op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Hi Doc and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am with you on points 1/2/3/5/6/7 and 8.</DIV>
<DIV>Nice one but don't leave us.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 7/1/09, Dr. Tom Gruis <I>&lt;donnatom@=
netins.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: Dr. Tom Gruis &lt;donnatom@netins.net&gt;<BR>Subj=
ect: RE: LF: Razor blade RX<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Cc: "Tom=20=
Gruis" &lt;donnatom@netins.net&gt;<BR>Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:3=
3 PM<BR><BR><PRE>Items:

1. I thought this was a list for people interested in radio and LF/VLF, etc.
specifically.

2.  I very rarely have posted although I read the list regularly and have
been trying to learn. In this case I felt I had a viable contribution. I am
sorry that you disagree. This has been just a little thread for a few days
but does capture the interests of a few of us.

3. I respect the members of this list for their individual skills and
talents and respect their ideas.

4. I have sent messages three or four times asking to be removed from this
list. Would someone please help me do that? If no one does I will just mark
these e-mail as junk mail and be done with it.

5. As per an earlier posting today, USE YOUR DELETE KEY!

6. I pity the lack of courtesy of the part of a FEW on this list. Mal makes
good points and observations but so do his detractors ABOUT RADIO! The
personal attacks are silly at best.

7. There are most likely just a few of us sharing this interest and things
should be more civil.

8. My supply of the dorsal portions of the specified rodents is nil.
Therefore, I can no longer offer any.

9. Please get me out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TNX es 73,

Dr. Tom Gruis
___________________________________________________________________________


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 17:15
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Can we not put an end to this nonsense? Who gives a rat's ass about razor
blade radios?

VE7SL



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     =20

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Thanks James,
I will learn to decode in a head, looking at images:)

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


> Dear Andrey, LF Group
> 
> Thanks for the screen shot. I guess you are still having problems getting 
> WSPR to work properly - so I have attached a spectrogram of the transmitted 
> signal so that you can use a "human WSPR decoder" instead :-). Seriously, 
> you can just about see enough detail in the two spectrograms to be fairly 
> certain it is the same signal you received.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU 
>


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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:09:12 -0000
"mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

> Can wspr operators pse specify the signal freq and not the DIAL freq.
> Convention would therefore  indicate that one would tune 1.5 khz
> lower in USB mode.
> 

Why?

By specifying Dial frequency, which is set both on the TX/RX and in the
software BY ALL INTERESTED PARTIES, one provides known 200Hz window,
within which one can be confident all participants in a "WSPR network"
will reside. Where, within this 200Hz window, can be selected by each
transmitting station to avoid co-frequency operation with the other
participants.

What is gained by each station specifying their own actual effective RF
carrier frequency individually? 

Station 1 sets dial frequency to 502.4 and audio to 1500Hz then his
RF frequency is 503.500

Station 2 sets dial frequency to 502.4 and audio to 1520 then his RF
frequncy is 503.520

What is gained by Station 1 announcing "WSPR beacon on 503.500" and
Station 2 announcing "WSPR beacon on 503.520"

Do you tune 1500Hz below Station 1's announced RF frequency or 1500Hz
below station 2's announced RF frequency, 1520 below Station somewhere
in between or just stick to what's sensible... and quote a single,
universal Dial Frequency and be done with it.

You seem intent on making this much harder than it needs to be, just
out of devilment, presumably.

If you don't like the mode - and that's fair enough, it's not for
everyone, and it's not intended as the only way of exploring the RF
spectrum, it's just ONE thing to do for interest and amusement - this
is a HOBBY afer all - and you see no benefit in it then you have acres
of space in which to operate the mode/modes that take your fancy, why
try to specify how others must use a system, which operates perfectly
well in the manner intended by its designer and those who wish to
expore its usefulness.

J


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Dear Paul-Henrik, LF group,

The 136.3kHz frequencies are popular for transmissions from Europe to 
outside - they avoid swamping signals coming into Europe, and inter-european 
QRSS operating, around  137.7k, which is also a quieter frequency in Europe. 
137.800 +/- 10Hz has only weak Loran QRM at my QTH.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Hello Mal, LF

I will consider a new frequency for tomorrow, right now I know some people 
have
set up their systems logging overnight in the hope to find something there 
in
the morning and I can only want to make short excursions elsewhere.




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Hello Victor, Lubos, Henny,
Thanks for the reports!

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


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Just seen wspr decode from Gary G4WGT =20

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Hello Uwe,
You may transmitting on frequency, multiple 10 hz?
It is very interesting to me to receive your signal, but
my receiver does not allow to be adjusted on the
frequency which is coming to an end on 5.

73
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Hi all ,,, dont know what was happening last night .. re decodes 

Running wspr at 10 watts to  ae

502.4 KHz usb 

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Ok All ,

Well   from what I can measure  , power to the Ae is  500mW at the moment
as of about 20-25 hrs ...

Initial level was 30 watts  feed 

See what happens ?

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Andy,

>>>>>>>> Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS would co-exist inside the tone spread.

I am just about to do that.

Gary - G4WGT.


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NING NOW - 1615 HRS

I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.

So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co=
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> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>
>> OLIVIA :
>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<Uq
>> 8
>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>> gnbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>
>>
>> MFSK8
>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  =C3=99*BwkiroN9 -in=C3=B0?Sd=C3=9B4=C2=BFhIa lr
>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog  rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez;  uETqioB Vae   n Ct W
>> amSdeMe=C3=94dYbV*=C3=85=C2=AD  ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq=20=
=C2=BCeeawi i
>> =C3=80thiei=C5=A1=C2=B8etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jt=C5=BE;a=C2=BA o=C2=BAnJ=
=C2=BAo
>> a I=C2=A4narLx=C3=BDikc igq'<anel6
>> rmmz e rke wxe=C3=BBhC vo)o=C2=B7dad=C2=AA=E2=80=B9egseey(v e vt sce\ wVs=
ccon  t"tciu
>> tt=C2=A3h,iFtI=C2=BCv lre=C2=A6eek=C3=BAn =E2=82=ACi z=C3=A0=C3=82UP nve=20=
=C2=BD=C3=B9I t$   : nNe t  lro&"t l=C3=96
>> e=C2=B7=C3=B7RenuIoqemfep ,=C2=A4esss=C2=ADfer tt=C3=AA oequea8  =C2=A4d=
=C2=A7]xaV=C2=B0N~u=C3=87 pAbd  g0nbd
>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =C2=ADiefo&
>> kD kk e e0enm o=C2=A7 HbecOgh=C3=89o  eno fsewtit,es m=C3=8Cx=C2=AAoitn '=
Xei eaer=C3=BEii
>> lscktleea it=C2=A5 nd=C2=B7WmoEi=C2=ADxirwn mdW=C3=A3=C2=A6 7euc eg%oa lo=
Pttst   CQ CQ CQ
>> DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk rBt=C3=B28e=C3=A6 t=C2=B6=C2=ADknm=
m)mL   io 4Eek a
>> oiiqa  o zt eoun cKldd=C3=B98 =C2=B0o9aZnz=C3=A5ee  1  =C2=B9tlTtii0q=3Di=
 ielsaa nu 0 mPn=C3=BA=C3=BFK
>> =C2=B3S=C2=A2 iwX=C3=A4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=C3=A2pg H Jant0n9=C2=A8j=C2=
=B7eoet n
>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=C3=B4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=C2=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>> a=C2=B1 rotet a=C3=9C Foe2_vl=C2=A7ms=C3=AD t=C3=8Ck  t=3D l=C3=85 edCQ C=
Q CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =C2=AB=C3=B2ee
>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>
>>
>>
>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>
>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>
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WE2XGR/2 will be in WSPR mode tonight starting 2030Z on dial frequency 507.000 kHz. The start time 
has been moved up as las Tuesday's session produced copy as soon as the transmitter was fired up at 
2200Z. It will be interesting to see how early stations are able to receive the beacon. Sunset here 
today is 2206Z.

In years past CT1DRP on 137 kHz was received (QRSS30) here as early as 2015Z - more than an hour 
before sunset.

Reports and 'spots' uploaded to the WSPR database are appreciated.

Jay  W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 



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Sorry for the delay - back in 9V1 again -
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Yes traffic list on 522.5kHz  http://kl1x.com/xsg17thmay2007tfc.wav  but no=20=
ships calling or working on MF/500 since Ive been over here save one weak re=
ception of KPH.

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> From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:37:56 +0000
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR
>
> Is there any tfc list and exchange of traffic on the freq. I have hrd some
> ships calling although not recently on 500 khz, mostly far east ships.
> mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laurence BY3A-KL1X China"=20
> To:=20
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:21 PM
> Subject: RE: LF: Re: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR
>
>
>
> Coastal stations are still running, well XSG on A1A is anyway on 522.5
> Hz - Im not sure of the power Shanghai radio puts out but from field
> measurements its probably in the 1Kw range.
>
> Laurence - stuck in Singapore....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:22:58 +0000
> Subject: LF: Re: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR
>
>
>
>
> That is a more sensible power for MF. Coastal stns were running in excess=20=
of
> this power and ships between 1 - 2 kw so whats new.
> Radio amateurs are at a disatvantage at present but could handle it, but
> appliance operators NO.
> G3KEV
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dave.riley3
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:31 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR
>
>
>
>
> NEWS FLASH
> The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF
> CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts.
> Hope some of you guys get your T2 license to run the station after
> construction. As soon as the snow melts and temperatures rise a bit the
> large vertical will be errected. My QTH can only be temporary so we
> must find a permanent home ASAP.
>
> 73, Steve
>
> WA1HUD
>
> President NEHRS, Inc.
> http://nehrs.net/default.aspx
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mal hamilton
> To: rsgb
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:15 AM
> Subject: LF: PROPAGATION WSPR
>
>
> On LF I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation as
> suggested by some. Two procedures are required with the mode. First it has
> to be detected then analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed=
.
> Morse sent in the QRS mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot
> only requires one procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a go=
od
> indication of propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.
>
> I have pointed out recently that I have observed all of the traces from
> those transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been directly keyed in QRS mod=
e
> an ID or intellegence would have been conveyed, whereas only part of the
> time was the signals decoded in wspr. For those viewing the print format
> only and getting no copy would never know whether the signall was being
> received or if it was faulty sampling and decoding.
>
> Cut out the second procedure of decoding, avoid ambiguity and use the slow
> keyed carried method using morse code or murray code. A waterfall display
> and the EYE is a very sensitive detector,
> For those experimenting with data modes have fun but todate in the amateur
> radio LF/MF context nothing yet has surpassed the use of slow morse keyed=20=
at
> a speed to suit one's needs ie propagation studies or communication betwee=
n
> two stations.
> mal/g3kev
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John
Loran is audible here but not a real problem. The biggest problem is the 
regular bursts of data at both ends of the 136 khz allocation.. With large 
antennas the received bursts are extremely strong especially when listening 
at the band edges where most of the QRS acty is located. ie 137.778 and 
136.315.
142 - 145.5 khz is clear in Scarborough and possibly other slots, in the 
meantime its battle on hi
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John RABSON" <john.rabson@wanadoo.fr>
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137


If I recall correctly, in the early days of negotiation with the 
Radiocommunications Agency in the UK, it was originally suggested that the 
RSGB should apply for an allocation round about 173 kHz with 5W ERP (to line 
up with the ZL allocation?).  Time went by and we were asked for our views 
on an allocation around 88 kHz.  That idea was then withdrawn as that 
frequency was already in use by another service (it was and still is used 
with induction systems for cave communications on 87 kHz USB).

Eventually we got 73 kHz.

Mal says "several khz up or down the band from 137 it is clear".  Not here 
it isn't.  And if he, in Yorkshire, is unaffected by Loran he is very lucky.

John F5VLF
JN17vg


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On 21/01/2009 at 19:25 James Moritz wrote:

>Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
>I don't know... but it was probably the same as the reason for which the
>73kHz band was withdrawn at about the same time that all the utilities
>which
>had been operating inside or near that part of the spectrum were
>decomissioned ;-)
>
>Cheers, Jim Moritz
>73 de M0BMU
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
>To: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:00 PM
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>
>
>Does anyone know why 137 khz was chosen as an amateur allocation, in that
>freq area it is the most polluted part, clobbered at both ends by
>commercial
>high power transmitters...








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Looking...nothing so far.

Jay

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Hi Jay and Dave and MF=20
  Now qrv 502.57 khz g3kev qsk for qso's.  Gale blowing at present but not h=
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  73 mal/g3kev

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Looking...nothing so far.</FONT></DIV>
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Are we to  adopt  502.400 Hz  USB dial frequency for WSPR ?
With  1500 Hz audio centre band tone.

RF mid band   carrier frequency of  503.900 Hz ?

With 6 hz modulation and phase continues  tone side bands and
guard band are  not a issue, the band edge is protected?

504KHz  and its sidebands are actually  x2 of the fundamental
so  should not present a problem as the 200 Hz slot is in a
close in, dead zone, there amplitude increasing lower into the band,
one of the reasons qrss and range testing takes place in this
'noisy' zone.

I will add a  note to  the uk500khz group and links in others  with details 
if
acceptable to widen the reporting base.

Tnx-

Graham

G0NBD









 




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Someone has a good signal on 137.5 khz sending data.
g3kev

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From: "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
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On 25 Jan 2009 at 20:45, Gary - G4WGT wrote:

> My comment was to follow the WSPR recommended method as adopting ERP
> would mean there are two "standards".

The current WSPR system is already approximatley ERP as at HF the 
difference between RF and ERP is unlikely to be more than a few dB. 

Mike, G3XDV
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Mal,

 

I admit, not nearly as many as you.

 

But why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don't do it
your way it isn't correct.

 

I would be much nicer to advise & help others, don't you think?

 

I remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me & it was good advice,
I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
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Subject: LF: Re: RE: QRS 240

 

29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your score.

g3kev

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>  

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 

Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM

Subject: LF: RE: QRS 240

 

LF,

 

Oh my god, he's doing it on 136KHz now !!!

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 


  _____  


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Subject: LF: QRS 240

 

Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot
!!!.Think how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB
on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1

g3kev

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I admit,
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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>But why
do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don&#8217;t do it y=
our
way it isn&#8217;t correct.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I would
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</span></font></b></p>

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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I
remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me &amp; it was good advic=
e,
I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?<o:p></o:p></=
span></font></b></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Oh my
god, he&#8217;s doing it on 136KHz now !!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
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<a href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl=
acksheep.org</a>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>mal <st1:place w=
:st=3D"on"><st1:City  w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:City></st1:place><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 03 January 2009 20:22<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: QRS 240</span></=
font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending=20=
at qrs240
sec dot !!!.Think how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is=20=
no
QSB on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1</span>=
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Gary

Congratulations to you and Jim! I look forward to having a 'digital' T/A QSO=
 once we establish which is the best mode.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 5:03 PM
  Subject: LF: RE: Re: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???


  Hi Jay,

  =20

  Well OK then, first UK Olivia QSO!!!!!

  =20

  73

  =20

  Gary.

  =20


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  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black=
sheep.org] On Behalf Of jrusgrove@comcast.net
  Sent: 02 January 2009 21:44
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: Re: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???

  =20

  WE2XGR/2 and WE2XGR/3 have QSOed in this mode on 500 kHz...and just about=20=
all other modes as well...

  =20

  Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: Gary - G4WGT=20

    To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20

    Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 4:23 PM

    Subject: LF: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???

    =20

    Hi LF,

    =20

    Is this the first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??

    =20

    =20

    CQ CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk

    =20

    CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20

     CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20

     CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nb

    =20

    m0bmu ... ok jim  uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu=20

    =20

    copy ok ???  how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham=20=
good copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out the soft=
ware still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0nbd

    =20

    ok dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker ! =20

    =20

    fine copy 100%  what is your peak power o/p ????

    =20

    nice to  work you for the first time ..=20

    hr running   30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti  pa block .. mul=
tipsk ..

    =20

    ae  35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config

    =20

    ok ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still good co=
py when ur sig barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long i=
nv L antenna from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP shoul=
d be close to 1W BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd

    =20

    ok jim fine .. well all 100%  even in a deep qsb dip your signal fell un=
der the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode ..hihi/..=
  i used  250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a good copy under qsb .. b=
etter than psk ..

    =20

    your signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking on spec=
-lab and can only see same as my ouit going .......

    =20

    ok .. well  fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti  pa .. i=
m keeping=20

    power down hihi

    btu jim ???

    =20

    g0ndb de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had had a nas=
ty accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but mostl=
y OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude modu=
lation in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things a bit s=
impler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500hz bandwid=
th variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many complaints abou=
t bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd

     m0bmu .. de g0nbd=20

    =20

    ok fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx button=
 and the tx stopped hihi=20

    =20

    well this was a quick test to  see if this mode printed better over the=20=
noise ...looks to  work very well =20

    =20

    could   change mode ?   8 x 250  that would give a good test ,  reduce t=
o    8 x 250   8 x 250 ???

    =20

    bkbkbkbk

    =20

    ok graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8 x 50 m=
ode now - pse qrx...ok  changing to  8 x 250

    =20

    73,

    =20

    Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gary</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Congratulations to you and Jim! I look forw=
ard to=20
having a 'digital' T/A&nbsp;QSO once we establish which is the best=20
mode.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp; WE2XGR/2</FONT>=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary -=20
  G4WGT</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 02, 2009 5:03=
=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: Re: 500KHz first O=
livia=20
  QSO ???</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
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l">Well=20
  OK then, first <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place     w:st=3D"on">=
UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> Olivia=20
  QSO!!!!!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A     href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEI=
GHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B><A     href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@comcast.n=
et">jrusgrove@comcast.net</A><BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Se=
nt:</SPAN></B> 02 January 2009 21:44<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: b=
old">To:</SPAN></B> <A     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb=
_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A><BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sub=
ject:</SPAN></B> LF: Re: 500KHz first Olivia QSO=20
  ???</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">WE2XGR/2 and WE2XGR/3 have QSOed=20
  in this mode on 500 kHz...and just about all other modes as=20
  well...</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
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le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp;=20
  WE2XGR/2</SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"font-color: black">
    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=3DArial=
       size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FON=
T-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><S=
PAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A       title=3Dg4wgt@ti=
scali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary - G4WGT</A>=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT=
></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-=
FAMILY: Arial"> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org       href=3D"=
mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">LF -RSGB LF Group</A>=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FO=
NT></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FON=
T-FAMILY: Arial"> Friday,=20
    January 02, 2009 4:23 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN><=
/FONT></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt;=20=
FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> LF:=20
    500KHz first Olivia QSO ???<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi=20
    LF,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is this the=20
    first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">CQ=20
    CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">CQ=20
    CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City> <st1:State=
       w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nbsp; g0nb=
d&nbsp;=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">&nbsp;CQ=20
    CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City> <st1:State=
       w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nbsp; g0nb=
d&nbsp;=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">&nbsp;CQ=20
    CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City> <st1:State=
       w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nb<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">m0bmu=20
    ... ok jim&nbsp; uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">copy=20
    ok ???&nbsp; how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham=20=
good=20
    copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out the softw=
are=20
    still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de=20
    g0nbd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker !&nbsp;=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">fine=20
    copy 100%&nbsp; what is your peak power o/p=20
    ????<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">nice=20
    to&nbsp; work you for the first time .. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P=
>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">hr=20
    running&nbsp;&nbsp; 30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti&nbsp; pa=20
    block .. multipsk ..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ae&nbsp;=20
    35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still good copy=20=
when=20
    <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">ur</st1:City></st1:place> s=
ig=20
    barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long inv L antenn=
a=20
    from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP should be clos=
e to=20
    1W BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de=20
    g0nbd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    jim fine .. well all 100%&nbsp; even in a deep qsb dip your signal fell=20
    under the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode=20
    ..hihi/..&nbsp; i used&nbsp; 250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a g=
ood=20
    copy under qsb .. better than psk ..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">your=20
    signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking on spec-lab=20=
and=20
    can only see same as my ouit going .......<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B><=
/P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    .. well&nbsp; fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti&nbsp;=20=
pa=20
    .. im keeping <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">power=20
    down hihi<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">btu=20
    jim ???<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">g0ndb=20
    de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had had a nasty=20
    accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but most=
ly=20
    OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude=20
    modulation in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things=
 a=20
    bit simpler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500h=
z=20
    bandwidth variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many=20
    complaints about bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de=20
    M0BMUkkkSd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">&nbsp;m0bmu=20
    .. de g0nbd <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx button an=
d=20
    the tx stopped hihi <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">well=20
    this was a quick test to&nbsp; see if this mode printed better over the=20
    noise ...looks to&nbsp; work very well&nbsp;=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">could&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
    change mode ?&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250&nbsp; that would give a good test ,&nb=
sp;=20
    reduce to&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250=20
    ???<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">bkbkbkbk<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8 x 50 mode=
 now=20
    - pse qrx...ok&nbsp; changing to&nbsp; 8 x 250</SPAN></FONT></B><B><FONT=
       face=3DArial><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-FAMILY: Ari=
al"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN      =20=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">73,</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG>=
<o:p></o:p></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN      =20=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gary - G4WGT -=20
    IO83QP.</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
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Hello LF!

Transmitting CW ID + QRSS3 ID on 136.80kHz.


Again, thanks for all reports on last night's activity.

Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD

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Dear Ed,
         I just looked on the recommended site, part "history". Yes, I got a
permit for 2005 and 440kHz. This MF-permit was prolonged year by year and I
still have it for 2009. Later on other Germans also got permits like DI2AM,
DI2BO, DI2AT (now closed). At Jan. 10. 2007 the QRG was shifted to
505,1kHz+/-100Hz,  DI2BO holds both frequencies.
         AA1A / BO confirmed reception of my 440-kHz-beacon in FN42PB, date
Dec. 19. 2005.
Possibly you can complete the site with  these informations.
73  Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF

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> Dear LF enthusiasts and Andy,
>
> KU4XR wrote 03.01.2009, 23:22 MSK(GMT+3h):
>
> AK> I'm warming up all the gear to see if I can copy ED, RU6LA tonite
> AK> on 2200 meters. Does anyone know what his possible ERP will be in
> AK> this direction ??
>
> TNX for the efforts!
>
> My TX setup:
> Big vertical on the 135m high tower - ~ 60...70m  H eff
> valves PA - 80...120W Output
> Iant (current) in ant 2..3A
>
> P(ERP)=0.00033 * A^2  (for 137KHz, by RA9MB)
> A=I ant*H eff, I ant in A, H eff in m
> P=~ 5...15 W ERP
>
> Some details look on http://136.73.ru/ed/index.htm
> PA (new now) is connected directly to the electric system (without
> transformer) and compact
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> 73! Ed RU6LA   136.73.ru
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>
>
>




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Hello Jay and Dave
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Hope we can manage another qso.
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Hello Jean-Pierre and LF!
I saw signal XKO as well, but it was very week here. I saw some traces only and I didn´t know, what stations it was. Thanks for information!

73 Lubos, OK2BVG

*********************************   

> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:01:23 +0100
> From: jpm.f1afj@online.fr
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> Subject: LF: LF T/A [137] Come back of WD2XKO
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> Hi  LF ,
> Very pleasure to find the signal of WD2XKO at this new year !
> Good signal last night , Joe !
> 73 qro HNY , Jean-Pierre f1afj

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henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende 
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Hello Mal, LF


In my case it is still snowing here, no way to keep the antenna tuned atm. S=
hort
high impedance antennas are tricky to keep happy. Just like me they prefer d=
ry
weather and clear skies :)

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> This band seems to have gone vy quiet again after a burst of recent acty.=20=
Not
> even a grabber active.
>
> de mal/g3kev




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On 26/01/2009 at 12:04 Alan Melia wrote:

>Hi Mark, well at least your ISP does not seem to be blacklisted, because
>some are still like Laurence who I think has had to use a different ISP,
>because that mail got through. The spambots at some ISPs have been made
>very
>aggressive recently as a result of the "Child Protection pressure" The VLF
>Group I sub to was rated as an "adult site" because on poster named his
>design "Little Cutie" (It will be interesting to see it this gets through
>!!) There have also been problems with some ISPs where a mesage has refered
>to the gender of a coax connector !! You might find it interesting to
>re-read you failed message for "double entendres"

Sometimes the receiving ISP blocks all traffic from the sending ISP (eg att.=
net does not seem to like orange.fr nor wanadoo.fr and I have to use another=
 ISP).

Also be careful about how you describe a back-to-back pair of BNC sockets.

John F5VLF




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Hello Jim, LF,

> I think this shows that this mode should compete well with QRSS3 for readi=
bility.

I made a quick comparison a few days ago between a weak wspr signal and
QRSS-3. With Spectrum Lab, I added noise to the locally generated beacon
until no decoding. SNR below -28 db was not decoded, and it was a very
precise threshold.

Then, I just switched to QRSS-3, keeping the signal level at absolutely the
same level. Only faint traces could be seen on the waterfall with no
readibility at all. The noise had to be lowered by 2 to 3 dB in order to
read the QRSS-3 message.

73,

Michel f5wk


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Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot !!!.Thi=
nk how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB on rhe c=
arrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1
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Mal,

@ 2330 nice clear ARGO lines on 502.57 peak QSB for about 3 characters then=20=
down again, repeats...

QSW 7033


  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:21 PM
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  Mal,

  QRV 7033 now de Dave


    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    ok Jay
    Nil on ur freq either also listening on 7033 khz for calls USA maybe Dav=
e. On 7033 can hear a K4 STN so there is propagartion to USA
    MAL

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:19 PM
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      Looking...nothing so far.

      Jay

        ----- Original Message -----=20
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        Hi Jay and Dave and MF=20
        Now qrv 502.57 khz g3kev qsk for qso's.  Gale blowing at present but=
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        73 mal/g3kev



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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>@ 2330 nice clear ARGO lines on 502.57 peak QSB=20=
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about 3 characters then down again, repeats...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 now</D=
IV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>QRV 7033 now de Dave</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr     style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;=20=
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV       style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: b=
lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">m=
al=20
    hamilton</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:=
49=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: 500 now</DIV=
>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ok Jay</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nil on ur freq either also listening on=
 7033=20
    khz for calls USA maybe Dave. On 7033 can hear a K4 STN so there is=20
    propagartion to USA</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MAL</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE       style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN=
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
      <DIV         style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-colo=
r: black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Djrusgrove@comcast.net         href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@comc=
ast.net">jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A         title=3Drsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org         href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rs=
gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009=20=
10:19=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: 500 now</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Looking...nothing so far.</FONT></DIV=
>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
        <DIV           style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-=
color: black"><B>From:</B>=20
        <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.ne=
t">mal=20
        hamilton</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A           title=3Drsgb=
_lf_group@blacksheep.org           href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o=
rg">rsgb</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 200=
9 5:16=20
        PM</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 500 now</DIV>
        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Jay and Dave and MF </FONT></DIV=
>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now qrv 502.57 khz g3kev qsk for=20
        qso's.&nbsp; Gale blowing at present but not having any effect on=20
        antennas.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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 Likewise, we enjoyed the CNN presentation too. Congratulations to all of you "over there" on the inauguration of your 44th President.

73 de Pat G4GVW (Felixstowe UK)


 


 

-----Original Message-----
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Yes Mal and the occasion for much celebration (not to mention relief!) here.

73 Warren K2ORS


On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:10 PM, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
> I went QRT for a while to watch the inauguration of the new PRESIDENT of the
> USA on CNN. This was a splendit  presentation. Well done UNCLE SAM
> Now back to LF CW, is there anyone QRV
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<div> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Likewise, we enjoyed the CNN presentation too. Congratulations to all of you "over there" on the inauguration of your 44th President.<br>
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<pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>Yes Mal and the occasion for much celebration (not to mention relief!) here.<br>
<br>
73 Warren K2ORS<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:10 PM, mal hamilton &lt;<a href="mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; I went QRT for a while to watch the inauguration of the new PRESIDENT of the<br>
&gt; USA on CNN. This was a splendit  presentation. Well done UNCLE SAM<br>
&gt; Now back to LF CW, is there anyone QRV<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 73 De Mal/g3kev<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
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Gee I never thought I'd agree with Mal on something.

;-) Scott
VE7TIL



mal hamilton wrote:
>
> Taking up 1 khz bandwidth in a 3 khz slot.
> QRM GENERATOR
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:30 PM
> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>
>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>>
>> centre frequency  503 khz
>>
>> tx mode usb
>>
>> power 30 watts tune signal
>>
>> Will send for next few hours
>>
>> Reports welcome
>>
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>>
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Hello Jim,

Don't do anything special, I was just wondering if there'd be some
signals around tonight. I've not tried 136 before, so it's all a new
ball-game.

I'll keep an eye on the band and see if anything appears.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV


 On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:46:20 -0000 "James Moritz"
<james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear John,
> 
> Can do, if you like... will need to wait until about 2000utc while I
> sort out some other things. Is that OK?
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:27 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR beacon on 136kHz
> 
> 
> > Jim, LF,
> >
> > Are you, or any others, going to run WSPR again tonight?
> >
> > I am setting up for RX only mode on 136 and WSPR is a gread way to
> > test and monitor things.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John
> > GM4SLV
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:19:59 -0000
> > "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear LF Group,
> >>
> >> I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/-
> >> (136.0kHz "dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any
> >> reports would be very welcome.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> >> 73 de M0BMU
> >>
> >>
> > 
> 
> 


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Hello Andy & LF,

I've just started receiving WSPR transmission from Andy G4JNT, first
decode seems to have been 0902 UTC

All spots are being uploaded to WSPRnet

Nice work, for daytime, almost 1100km, well done. 

Your WSPR signal impliesTX power of 0dBm - it that estimated ERP, or a
configuration error?

Cheers,

John


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Is there no privacy on this band ! - all  I was doing was going
through the various software packages, making sure they all give the
same drive level..  And yes they do, interestingly.   Must be designed
to give full scale on peak of waveform.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/18 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
> Dear Andy,
>
> Copied your WSPR test just now. Reported frequency was 0.503500, so no
> problem there.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>


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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:51:00 -0000
"Lee Hudson" <hudsonville@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Hi LF Group,
>  
> Just been looking at the Database of tonights activity, and I'm
> reported at 700miles from GM4SLV

Not sure what the problem is?

Where are you Lee, in geographical terms?

Shetland is a LONG way from England - it's a long way from Scotland,
truth be told!


ps

I've started a grabber showing 503.5 - 504.1

and also

I notice strong traces on the WSPR waterfall at 503.900 from I believe
M0BMU, but very few decodes? I don't usually have a problem with Jim's
signal....

John



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Hello Victor

>AGC?
Yes. Thanks for the report!

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


> Strong signal with QSB,
> 
> 73
> 
> Victor


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Johan
I have mentioned this several times before but noone seems to know why 
strong signals or any visible signals do not DECODE. I get some decodes 
therefore I know my system is working but not sure whether the problem is at 
the TX or RX end. To me wspr seems unreliable given the strength of signals 
but producing only marginal decoded output.
73 de mal/gkev

----- Original Message ----- 
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>I too saw a quite strong signal last night which didn't decode. It was 
>around
> 503.97 kHz and almost as strong as M0BMU, who was perfectly audible most 
> of the
> time. There was no "banana effect" on the waterfall so it was stable 
> enough. I'd
> guess problem is caused by a soundcard sampling frequency error.
>
> 73
> Johan SM6LKM
>
> ----
>
> John P-G wrote:
>> I see others reporting inconsistent decodes of you on the chat page at
>> WSPRnet, so it's not just me.
>
>


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Dear all,

Yes, I can confirm that I have had a normal CW QSO with DK1KH on Dec
31st 2008 from 11.26 UTC to 12.30 UTC in the Munich area, about 100 km
apart, RST 579 on both ends. Transmitter power 100 watts each. This
time we have met on the lf band by chance.

Thanks for the DX reports from other stations via the DF6NM grabber.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB


"Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com> schrieb:
> Hi Andrey, Jim,
> 
> yes, Jim is right. Though I noticed this QSO too late to actually listen in, I believe they were DJ1ZB (orange) and DK1KH 
> (greenish).
> 
> Thanks also for looking for my unid dashes on 137.244. The moderate day/night fieldstrength difference suggests it must be a low 
> power source within groundwave range, perhaps only a couple of 100 km. Viewed in a high resolution spectrogram, the incoherent 
> dashes merge into a weak foggy strip about one Hz wide, which would hardly be recognizable further away.
> 
> Your DFCW transmission around 12:00 UT was actually visible here in broad daylight (screenshot colours cycled to yellow again).
> 
> Best wishes, and a very happy new year to all in the group
> 
> Markus, DF6NM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 8:06 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: 136.540 on DF6NM grabber
> 
> 
>  Dear Andrey, LF Group,
> 
>  It looks like two stations, in different directions from DF6NM, having a CW QSO.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrey RN3AGC" <rn3agc@mail.ru>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:36 PM
> Subject: LF: 136.540 on the grabber DF6NM
> 
> 
> Hello Markus, LF,
> Interesting signal from two directions. What is it?
> 
> 73
> Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV
> 



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No joy here.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dear Vernon, LF Group,
> 
> I closed the beacon down at 0108utc.
> 
> Thanks for your interest - will try for a longer overnight session over the 
> next few days - but I really do need to do something about the antenna guy 
> ropes here first!
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Vernon Matheson" <vmath@eastlink.ca>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:57 AM
> Subject: LF: 136K WSPR Monitoring
> 
> 
>> Have set up to monitor 136K WSPR using 1200' longwire orientated E/W here 
>> in FN85ki Nova Scotia Canada.
>>
>> Will leave it on for a few days...not sure if reception is possible...you 
>> just never know :-)
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Vernon - VE1VDM
>> Greenfield NS
>> Canada
>>
>> 
> 
>


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Hi Hajo and LF
=C2=A0
But you still have the issue of Hi Impedance headphones. A Coherer allows yo=
u to switch a light or buzzer on and off. They are amazing in free state the=
y have a very high DC resistance (virtually open circuit)=C2=A0and once they=
 cohere it is virtually a dead short. But may be not as sensitive as a rusty=
 nail detector!=20
=C2=A0
There is a report of UK to Gibraltar using a 2.5kW Sparker on 350m and the R=
X being a Coherer. Not bad for Mechanical Radio!
=C2=A0
73 petefmt=C2=A0

--- On Tue, 6/1/09, hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de <hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-onlin=
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From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de <hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 11:42 PM


=C2=A0No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz.

73 DJ1ZB


=C2=A0"M0FMT" <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb:=20





Hi Mal and LF
=C2=A0
I am disapointed in you Mal to be=C2=A0considering an envelope detector. A t=
rue CW man, I would have thought,=C2=A0should only entertain the use of a Co=
here detector!
=C2=A0
Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a range 136=
kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a much la=
ger range of frequencies but not tested by me.
=C2=A0
http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm
=C2=A0
73 pefmt


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--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM





Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info from the web=
.
g3kev
=C2=A0

----- Original Message -----=20
From: riese-k3djc@juno.com=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


310113517964=C2=A0=C2=A0 E bay too
=C2=A0
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wri=
tes:

Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have had se=
veral requests for a circuit. To give=C2=A0others the opportunity=C2=A0to su=
bmit a cct I will await replies. This method=C2=A0was used successfully =C2=
=A0at Coldiz=C2=A0and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to MF/LF=20=
since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.
Build one and have a QSO using this RX
g3kev
=C2=A0
=C2=A0

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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"t=
op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Hi <SPAN>Hajo</SPAN> and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>But you still have the issue of Hi Impedance headphones. A Coherer allo=
ws you to switch a light or buzzer on and off. They are amazing in free stat=
e they have a very high DC resistance (virtually open circuit)&nbsp;and once=
 they cohere it is virtually a dead short. But may be not as sensitive as a=20=
rusty nail detector! </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>There is a report of UK to Gibraltar using a 2.5kW S<SPAN>parker</SPAN>=
 on 350m and the RX being a Coherer. Not bad for Mechanical Radio!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 petefmt&nbsp;<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-onli=
ne.de <I>&lt;hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de &lt;hajo.brandt.dj1=
zb@t-online.de&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?<BR>=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 11:42 PM=
<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv937260577><FONT face=3D"Times&#13;&#10;New&#13;&#10;Roman" colo=
r=3D#000000 size=3D3>&nbsp;No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz=
.<BR><BR>73 DJ1ZB<BR><BR><BR></FONT>&nbsp;"M0FMT" &lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt;=20=
schrieb:=20
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<TD vAlign=3Dtop>
<DIV>Hi Mal and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am disapointed in you Mal to be&nbsp;considering an envelope detector=
. A true CW man, I would have thought,&nbsp;should only entertain the use of=
 a Cohere detector!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a rang=
e 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a mu=
ch lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm" target=3D_blan=
k rel=3Dnofollow>http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 pefmt</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <I>&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.ne=
t&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Sub=
ject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Tu=
esday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv592381029>
<STYLE></STYLE>

<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone co=
nstruction. Not info from the web.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px=
; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=
=3Driese-k3djc@juno.com href=3D"mailto:riese-k3djc@juno.com" target=3D_blank=
 rel=3Dnofollow>riese-k3djc@juno.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D_blank rel=3Dno=
follow>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58=20=
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Razor blade RX</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:=
g3kevmal@talktalk.net" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>g3kevmal@talktalk.net<=
/A>&gt; writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px; BORDER=
-LEFT: #000000 2px solid">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence w=
ire RX a while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give&nbsp;=
others the opportunity&nbsp;to submit a cct I will await replies. This metho=
d&nbsp;was used successfully &nbsp;at Coldiz&nbsp;and other POW camps to rec=
eive BBC broadcasts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let us know how you would approach the subj=
ect. This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were recei=
cved on these bands.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Build one and have a QSO using this RX</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>
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CHANGED T0  PSK31  CENT FREQ  503

20-30 HRS ,

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>
> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>
> centre frequency  503 khz
>
> tx mode usb
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> power 30 watts tune signal
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> Will send for next few hours
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Good evening Alberto,

great, someone's out there watching! A good reason to switch it back on for another hour or so.

Thank you for reporting!

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 It looks like Markus has switched on his Tx...
 
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Ah!

Crystal sets! More of the joy of analog....

Doc,

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 15:54
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Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

Mal,

I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector when I  
was 14 years old.
It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor
detector.
And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I   
> have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the   
> opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was   
> used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC   
> broadcasts.
> Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable   
> to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these   
> bands.
> Build one and have a QSO using this RX
> g3kev
>



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Ok Jim,

The drop is the pa  adding a 14 db pad ... dont quite see why as the peak 
power is only about 30% ...

are you seeing the same % decodes from each system ?

I will halt the olivia tx and change that over to  dominoex -fec

as from 21-40

G


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>
> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>
> Still getting patchy copy with both Olivia and Domino EX11. The power 
> levels
> seem to have dropped abruptly and then returned at least twice during the
> course of your test.
>
> There does not seem to be a great difference between the two modes- I get
> some copy with either unless the signal has totally faded out, but it is
> hard to make a good comparison with only short CQ calls and rapidly 
> changing
> signal levels.
>
> An interesting experiment would be to compare the default domino EX11 mode
> with the same mode but with the FEC enabled. This would give a direct
> comparison between FEC and non-FEC modes
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> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
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 Mal its staying on 90 slow. Im using the data/grabs for some research work=20=
on ground/sky Loran lines as well as the obvious.
=20
It will stay on this mode till the 15th Jan or so.
=20
Laurence
G4DMA East Grinstead W Sussex
=20
=20



From: g3kevmal@talktalk.netTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate: Tue, 6 Jan=20=
2009 18:11:57 +0000Subject: LF: Re: 137


Laurence
Speed it up to abt qrs30 or faster.=20
73 mal/g3kev
=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:16 AM
Subject: LF: 137
Markus thanks - I leave for London tomorrow but Im going to leave the SDR an=
d grabber/upload running here in freezing Tanggu China. Its as an "offered"=20=
service and I dont know how long my pc, wireless, dsl, server will stay conn=
ected, but hey a certain well known law always is activated when I leave to=20=
or from a place. To:  I dont have my LF gear with me and end up uptop a 80 s=
torey faraday cage of hotel with access to the roof..To:  I do have my LF ge=
ar with me and end up in a wooden framed hotel with no earth, RF balun type=20=
flourscent lights, multiple SMPSU;s and no internetFrom : I dont leave the g=
ear running and we have a marvellous LF opening say a K3 event after a long=20=
quiet spell per Jan 2003From: I do leave the gear running but the LF probe P=
SU catches fire or the local authorities take down the antennae to investiga=
te why the heck a baby bottle is sitting atop a fishing pole... You can pick=
 from any of the above but heres hoping it stays up for a while. Laurencehtt=
p://kl1x.comTanggu China OM89UA

From: markusvester@aol.comTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate: Mon, 5 Jan 2=
009 01:47:44 +0100Subject: LF: Re: other QRSS stations in jn49ax


Hello Marco and LF,
=20
the strong lower "Y" was actually my "NM", the real "Y" directly above that=20=
is RA3YO. Here is a list of frequencies observed this evening (Jan 4th):
=20
778.65  "RU"  RU6LA
778.26 /.36  "Y"  RA3YO
777.90 /778.00  "NM"  DF6NM
777.45 "WPF"  UA4WPF
776.22 /.32  "AGC"  RN3AGC
776.0  "S"  UA9CS ?
775.50  "WX"  DJ8WX
774.99  "DTL"  F4DTL
=20
As far as I could see, "RU", "Y", "WPF" and "S" were well readable at differ=
ent times on the Chinese KL1X screenshots. I was also pleased to see that "N=
M" at least managed to get a few singular dashes across between 21:55 and 22=
:13.
=20
Many thanks to Laurence for setting up his receiver and triggering all this=20=
activity!
=20
Kind regards=20
Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK
=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scholz, Marco=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:24 AM
Subject: LF: other QRSS stations in jn49ax

Hello,also good copy of AGC and very strong Y ~1.7Hz above agc. Not sure if=20=
the signal above the Y is RU in a slower mode as QRSS60?good night, vy73Marc=
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&nbsp;Mal its staying on 90 slow. Im using the data/grabs&nbsp;for some rese=
arch work on ground/sky&nbsp;Loran lines as well as the obvious.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
It will stay on this mode till the 15th Jan or so.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence<BR>
G4DMA&nbsp;East Grinstead W Sussex<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
<BR>&nbsp;<BR>

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From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Tue=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Laurence</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Speed it up to abt qrs30 or faster. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>F=
rom:</B> <A title=3Dhellozerohellozero@hotmail.com href=3D"mailto:hellozeroh=
ellozero@hotmail.com">Laurence BY3A-KL1X China</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 05, 2009 4:16 A=
M</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 137</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Markus thanks - I leave for London tomorrow but Im going to l=
eave the SDR and grabber/upload running here in freezing Tanggu China. Its a=
s an "offered" service and I dont know how long my pc, wireless, dsl, server=
 will stay connected, but hey a certain well known law always is activated w=
hen I leave to or from a place.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>To:&nbsp; I dont have my LF gea=
r with me and end up uptop a 80 storey faraday cage of hotel with access to=20=
the roof..<BR>To:&nbsp; I do have my LF gear with me and end up in a wooden=20=
framed hotel with no earth, RF balun type flourscent lights, multiple SMPSU;=
s and no internet<BR>From : I dont leave the gear running and we have a marv=
ellous LF opening say a K3 event after a long quiet spell per Jan 2003<BR>Fr=
om: I do leave the gear running but the LF probe PSU catches fire or the loc=
al authorities take down the antennae to investigate why the heck a baby bot=
tle is sitting atop a fishing pole...<BR>&nbsp;<BR>You can pick from any of=20=
the above but heres hoping it stays up for a while.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Laurence<BR=
><A href=3D"http://kl1x.com/">http://kl1x.com</A><BR>Tanggu China OM89UA<BR>=
<BR><BR>
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Mon, 5 Jan 2009 01:47:44 +0100<BR>Subject: LF: Re: other QRSS stations in jn=
49ax<BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV>Hello Marco and LF,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>the strong lower "Y" was actually my "NM", the real "Y"&nbsp;directly a=
bove that is RA3YO.&nbsp;Here is a list of frequencies observed&nbsp;this ev=
ening (Jan 4th):</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>778.65&nbsp; "RU" &nbsp;RU6LA</DIV>
<DIV>778.26 /.36&nbsp; "Y" &nbsp;RA3YO</DIV>
<DIV>777.90 /778.00&nbsp; "NM"&nbsp; DF6NM</DIV>
<DIV>777.45 "WPF"&nbsp; UA4WPF</DIV>
<DIV>776.22 /.32 &nbsp;"AGC"&nbsp; RN3AGC</DIV>
<DIV>776.0&nbsp; "S"&nbsp; UA9CS ?</DIV>
<DIV>775.50&nbsp; "WX"&nbsp; DJ8WX</DIV>
<DIV>774.99&nbsp; "DTL"&nbsp; F4DTL</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>As far as I could see, "RU", "Y", "WPF" and "S" were well readable&nbsp=
;at different times on the Chinese KL1X screenshots.&nbsp;I was also&nbsp;pl=
eased to see that "NM" at least managed to&nbsp;get&nbsp;a few singular dash=
es&nbsp;across between 21:55 and 22:13.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Many thanks to Laurence for setting up his receiver and triggering all=20=
this activity!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Kind regards </DIV>
<DIV>Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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om">Scholz, Marco </A></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 05, 2009 12:24=20=
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: other QRSS stations in j=
n49ax</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_509531923-04012009>Hello,</S=
PAN><BR><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_509531923-04012009>also good copy of AGC and ver=
y strong Y ~1.7Hz above agc. Not sure if the signal above the Y is RU in a s=
lower mode as QRSS60?</SPAN><BR><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_509531923-04012009></SPA=
N><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_509531923-04012009>good night, vy73</SPAN><BR><SPAN cl=
ass=3DEC_EC_509531923-04012009>Marco</SPAN><BR><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_509531923=
-04012009>DD7PC</SPAN><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Hi Uwe, Jim and all,

according to my grabber screenshots, it looks as if the DJ8WX transmission had ended in the middle of a WSPR period at 21:45:48 UT.

Regards,
Markus, DF6NM

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dear Uwe, LF Group,
> 
> Still nil since 2124utc - if this is due to QSB, it is very long duration!
> 
> Looking at the decodes so far (see below), they are mostly quite close to 
> the lower limit of WSPR at around -33dB SNR. So if the SNR has deteriorated 
> a few dB, that could be why no more copy has occured. On the spectrogram, 
> the band noise level appears to be similar to what it was earlier, although 
> the sidebands from Lakihegy have increased by several dB.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>


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That explains it - I did update that field at about the time the database
started to 'get it right'.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


2009/1/30 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>

> Dear Andy,
>
> The database seems to get the second letters from the uploaded data you
> enter in the setup > options menu in WSPR 1.01.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <
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>
>
> It has decided to update my loc. now without having to do anything this
>> end!.   Wish it didn't use lower case second letters - that is not the
>> standard as defined by the Maidenhead committee!
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/30 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>>
>> I registerd with WSPRnet and it is showing me as a user. Have just
>>> uploaded
>>> the first spot.
>>> It still gives my loc. as IO90 and not IO90IV
>>> What's it got wrong.
>>>
>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>
>>>
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<div>That explains it - I did update that field at about the time the databa=
se started to &#39;get it right&#39;.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com">=
www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/1/30 James Moritz <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:james.moritz@btopenworld.com">james.moritz@btopenworld.com</a>=
&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Dear Andy,<br><br>The database see=
ms to get the second letters from the uploaded data you enter in the setup &=
gt; options menu in WSPR 1.01.<br>
<br>Cheers, Jim Moritz<br>73 de M0BMU<br><br>----- Original Message ----- Fr=
om: &quot;Andy Talbot&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com"=
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Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:31 PM<br>Subject: Re: LF: WSPRNet=20
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">It has decided to update my loc. n=
ow without having to do anything this<br>end!. &nbsp; Wish it didn&#39;t use=
 lower case second letters - that is not the<br>
standard as defined by the Maidenhead committee!<br><br>Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br>=
<a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br=
><br>2009/1/30 Andy Talbot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com"=20=
target=3D"_blank">andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I registerd with WSPRnet and it is=
 showing me as a user. Have just uploaded<br>the first spot.<br>It still giv=
es my loc. as IO90 and not IO90IV<br>
What&#39;s it got wrong.<br><br>Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4=
jnt.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br></blockquote><br></bloc=
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Hi Lubos,

they are indeed Loran: The Russian chain on GRI 8000 (Slonim, Petrozavodsk,=20=
Simferopol, Bryansk, Syzran) has lines on multiples of 50000/8000 Hz =3D 6.2=
5 Hz. Here they are often visible in purple on the colour-RDF screen.

73 de Markus, DF6NM

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:26 PM
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  Hello LF!
  Does anybody know something about lines on the picture? They appear every=20=
day after sunset and disappear with sunrise. They are very stable and on the=
 accurate frequency. I know lines from Loran-C, but these lines are another=20=
else, I think.=20

  Thanks!

  Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Hi Lubos,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>they are indeed Loran: The Russian chain on GRI=20
8000&nbsp;(Slonim, Petrozavodsk, Simferopol, Bryansk,&nbsp;Syzran) has=20
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I moved up to 507 too.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:

> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:08:45 -0500
> <jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> WE2XGR/2 will be in WSPR mode tonight starting 2030Z on dial
>> frequency 507.000 kHz.
>
> Hello Jay, LF,
>
> I've just retuned, to 507kHz dial, at 20:00 - I'm hoping to catch the
> first of your tranmsit periods and will continue through the night.
>
> RX setup is identical to the last test, same antenna/pre-amp etc...
>
> Cheers and good luck
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>



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Lubos, Victor, Henny,

  Thanks all for the reports and captures!
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2009/1/29 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>:
> Hello Warren, LF!
> Nice signal some minutes before sunrise.
>
> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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Subject: Re: LF: [500] : Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
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Dave,

Thanks for that , That is close to the full beacon text .. did you take any 
of the mfsk ?

Tnx- G ..

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From: "Dave G3WCB" <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
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Subject: LF: [500] : Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON - 
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Graham,
>
> Copied this just now. MultiPSK Olivia 8-250 mode
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...gnbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kk
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
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> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING
> NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in 
> parallel
> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running 
> on
> the same pc in beacon mode
>
> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference 
> signal
> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>
> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>
> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>
> Running  3 mode beacon
>
> Dial set   502 khz usb
>
> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>
> 1250 hz   psk31
>
> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>
> Reports  welcome
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
> Io83LK
>
>
>
>
>



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Ok all I think that's reasonable ?

I will add a page to the group  and post links
in other news groups  to  it, should
widen the reporting base

>From the recent posts
I assume the beacon power will
represent ERP ?

I can make this statement on the page
If it all go's base over apex , there is the 'delete' key option

Rgds

Graham .



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Subject: LF: WSPR   502.400  Dial frequency ?

>
>
> Are we to  adopt  502.400 Hz  USB dial frequency for WSPR ?
> With  1500 Hz audio centre band tone.
>
> RF mid band   carrier frequency of  503.900 Hz ?
>
> With 6 hz modulation and phase continues  tone side bands and
> guard band are  not a issue, the band edge is protected?
>
> 504KHz  and its sidebands are actually  x2 of the fundamental
> so  should not present a problem as the 200 Hz slot is in a
> close in, dead zone, there amplitude increasing lower into the band,
> one of the reasons qrss and range testing takes place in this
> 'noisy' zone.
>
> I will add a  note to  the uk500khz group and links in others  with 
> details
> if
> acceptable to widen the reporting base.
>
> Tnx-
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
>
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>



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G.

 

Dorothy Lamour (with Bing Crosby & Bob Hope)

 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6duJ9tfdmfA

 

And don't get carried away watching.

 

G.

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Ok Gary,

 

Looks like we are not alone ... hihi 

 

>>> on the road to linearity ... was that the one with Greta Garbo ? hihi 

 

 

 

From: Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>  

Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:59 PM

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Subject: *** SPAM ***LF: RE: First Linear data qso G4WGT / G0NBD

 

Graham, LF,

 

Thanks for "Flying The Flag" for me.

 

I am very pleased to say the least that the transverter worked & that my
idea using the TS-440 to compliment the set also worked. Just need to iron
out a few wrinkles but making good progress now.

 

I would also like to thank Graham (G0NBD) for his help & advice during the
construction of my project.

 

I will in due course continue the documentation of my project on the
UK500KHZ web site :-

 

http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz

 

Good luck to others who venture on the road to linearity.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Subject: LF: First Linear data qso G4WGT / G0NBD

 

First Linear data qso  G4WGT / G0NBD

 

Congratulations are in order ! 

 

Gary has successfully tested his home made HF to 500 Tx converter and 500 to
HF Rx converter this evening, utilising a TS440 as the primary driver and
the TS440 power amplifier , producing 20 watts on 500 Khz 

 

A good steady signal using PSK31 was received by myself  during a short
exchange of reports on 503.6 Khz . 

 

This now raises the number of station capable of transmitting all modes on
500 to  three, notably each station deploying differing approaches.

 

G0NBD           Refurbished Military and Marine 

M0BMU          His own design Linear  class E system

G4WGT           Classic linear HF/MF  home made transverter

 

G .. 

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e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
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0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
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[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Graham<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 16 January 2009 20:25<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"o=
n">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: *** SPAM ***LF:=20=
RE:
First Linear data qso G4WGT / G0NBD</span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o=
:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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he road
to linearity ... was that the one with Greta Garbo ? hihi </span></font></b>=
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=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bol=
d'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk" title=
=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk&#10;CTRL + Click to follow link">Gary - G4WGT=
</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bol=
d'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Friday,
January 16, 2009 3:59 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bol=
d'>To:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
" title=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&#10;CTRL + Click to follow li=
nk">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bol=
d'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> *** SPAM
***LF: RE: First Linear data qso G4WGT / G0NBD<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Graham,
LF,<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Thanks
for &#8220;Flying The Flag&#8221; for me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I am
very pleased to say the least that the transverter worked &amp; that my idea
using the TS-440 to compliment the set also worked. Just need to iron out a=20=
few
wrinkles but making good progress now.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I would
also like to thank Graham (G0NBD) for his help &amp; advice during the
construction of my project.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I will
in due course continue the documentation of my project on the UK500KHZ web s=
ite
:-<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><a href=
=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz">http://groups.google.com/group/=
uk500khz</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Good
luck to others who venture on the road to linearity.<o:p></o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>73,<o:p>=
</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Gary -
G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
t></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
me>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Graham<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 15 January 2009 23:08<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"o=
n">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: First Linear dat=
a qso
G4WGT / G0NBD</span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>First Linear data qso&nbsp; G4WGT / G0NBD<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></p>

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font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>Congratulations are in order ! <o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>Gary has successfully tested his home made HF to 500 Tx c=
onverter and
500 to HF Rx converter this evening, utilising a TS440 as the primary driver
and the TS440 power amplifier , producing 20 watts on 500 Khz <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>A good steady signal using PSK31 was received by myself&n=
bsp; during a
short exchange of reports on 503.6 Khz . <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>This now raises the number of station capable of transmit=
ting all modes
on 500 to&nbsp; three, notably each station deploying differing approaches.<=
o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>G0NBD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;
Refurbished Military and Marine <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>M0BMU&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; His own
design Linear&nbsp; class E system<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>G4WGT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;
Classic linear HF/MF&nbsp; home made transverter<o:p></o:p></span></font></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>G .. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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No virus found in this incoming message.<br>
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Graham,
Your trace is just about visible on the WSPR spectrum display, but not quite 
loud enough to decode. maybe it will improve later. I would expect to decode 
you on the main antenna!
Amazing what the low power can achieve.
Regards
Mark GM4ISM
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> Still looks to  be working at range .. outstanding !
>
> all I can do  next is take the drive from the exciter direct to the Ae ?
> G ..
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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> Subject: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae
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>>
>>
>> Ok All ,
>>
>> Well   from what I can measure  , power to the Ae is  500mW at the moment
>> as of about 20-25 hrs ...
>>
>> Initial level was 30 watts  feed
>>
>> See what happens ?
>>
>> G ..
>>
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>> No virus found in this incoming message.
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Dear Jean-Pierre, LF Group,

Well, the TX is now switched off again - definitely, I checked! ... I see 
DF6NM is now QRV.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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Hello Jim , LF

James Moritz a écrit :
> Dear LF Group,
>
> The WSPR beacon is now QRT - I'm giving the electricity meter a rest :-)
Your beacon is not stopped, I receive his signal permanently

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj



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Hi Markus
This is what I am seeing vy strong here.
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello Paul-Henrik, Mal,
>
> the QRSS-3 "TT"s from OH1LSQ on 136.35 kHz are also clearly visible here.
>
> The long 100 s dashes on 136.309 are from myself, sending DFCW "NM" in the 
> hope to print on Laurences BY grabber again. This is
> currently monitoring a 136305.5 to 136311.5 Hz window.
>
> 73 de Markus, DF6NM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
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>
> I can see this signal but no ID. Some one has just sent 2 long dashes.
> mal/g3kev
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>
>


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Alberto
Are u still growing if so u should know why there is no decode
Too much imagination there is no wspr signal there
g3kev

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>> Just started WSPR again, and see a nice bright trace at approx 503.965
>> in the 20:40 slot, but again no decode. I see no-one else reported a
>> successful decode on WSPRnet at that time either. Looks like still some
>> problem?
>
> Could it be that the station that does not decode, albeit being received
> strong, is not correctly time aligned ? Dimension4 is a very nice tool
> for this. And it is also free...
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
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>


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Hallo Uwe,

Decoded so far:

1656 -27  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
1700 -26  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
1704 -25  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
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1804 -23  1.7   0.135976  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
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2052 -26  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2056 -29  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2100 -30  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
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2124 -29  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
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2140 -31  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2144 -27  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43

73,

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On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation as sugge=
sted by some. Two procedures are required with the mode. First it has to be=20=
detected then analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. Morse=20=
sent in the QRS mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot only requ=
ires one procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a good indicati=
on of propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.

I have pointed out recently that I have observed all of the traces from thos=
e transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been directly keyed in QRS mode an I=
D or intellegence would have been conveyed, whereas only part of the time wa=
s the signals decoded in wspr. For those viewing the print format only and g=
etting no copy would never know whether the signall was being received or if=
 it was faulty sampling and decoding.=20

Cut out the second procedure of decoding, avoid ambiguity and use the slow k=
eyed carried method using morse code or murray code. A waterfall display and=
 the EYE is a very sensitive detector,=20
For those experimenting with data modes have fun but todate in the amateur r=
adio LF/MF context nothing yet has surpassed the use of slow morse keyed at=20=
a speed to suit one's needs ie propagation studies or communication between=20=
two stations.
mal/g3kev
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On&nbsp;LF &nbsp;I do not think wspr is the=
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mode to&nbsp;study propagation as suggested by some.&nbsp;Two procedures are=
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required with the mode. First it has to be detected then analyised and decod=
ed=20
into a print format to be viewed. Morse sent in the QRS mode at a suitable s=
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between 1 and 120 sec dot only requires one procedure, to be detected and vi=
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and would give a good indication of propagation whether used for QSO purpose=
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otherwise.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have pointed out recently that I have obs=
erved=20
all of the traces from those transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been dire=
ctly=20
keyed in QRS mode an ID or intellegence would have been conveyed, whereas on=
ly=20
part of the time was the signals decoded in wspr. For those viewing the prin=
t=20
format only and getting no copy would never know whether the signall was bei=
ng=20
received or if it was&nbsp;faulty sampling and decoding. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cut out the second procedure of decoding, a=
void=20
ambiguity&nbsp;and use the slow keyed carried method using morse code or mur=
ray=20
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Dear Jay, LF Group,

Thanks for the trans-atlantic report. Although M0BMU does not seem to be 
powerful enough to allow consistent reception of WSPR across the pond, it 
does at least show that peaks in propagation occur often enough to allow 
some transmission of signals on most nights under the present conditions on 
the band.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Jim
>
> Only two decodes during the period although I started receiving late at 
> 0000Z and the RX antenna was carrying about 1/2 inch of ice.
>
> 090108 0340   3 -28   0.7   0.503510  M0BMU IO91 30
> 090108 0406   4 -28   0.6   0.503510  M0BMU IO91 30
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2



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Hi John and LF
=C2=A0
They say when you are trying to get out of a hole stop digging.
=C2=A0
You are right of course from recent reading 50Hz BW for CW (ON/OFF Keying) i=
s probably much lower than 12 WPM .... depressing isn't it?
=C2=A0
http://www.w8ji.com/cw_bandwidth_described.htm
http://www.eham.net/articles/16649
=C2=A0
To Warren
My reference to SSTV was to take the argument of spectrum usage in our (UK a=
llocation)=C2=A03kc/s bandwidth to an absurd level=C2=A0to make a point. We=20=
need to be able to conduct two way real time QSOs on the band without one st=
ation hogging the lot with a wide blocking beacon type transmission especial=
ly when stations have to co-exist in close physical proximity. In the Home C=
ounties we don't have the luxury of the wide open prairies of Canada and the=
 US between stations so some of us around here can have almost volts in our=20=
antennas from neighbouring stations.
I think I can hear the reply now, haven=E2=80=99t you guys heard of Hi Q ban=
d pass filters in the antenna input to the RX. Yes and that=E2=80=99s where=20=
my argument falls down, time to stop digging.
=C2=A0
Personally however, I think I would prefer to hear the CW =E2=80=9Cthumps=
=E2=80=9D that I could decode by ear than the unintelligible racket from a=20=
=E2=80=9CDATA=E2=80=9D transmission.....ho hum.
=C2=A0
73 de (depressed) petefmt

=C2=A0

--- On Mon, 5/1/09, John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote:

From: John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Silent majority
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 8:11 AM

On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:36:56 +0000 (GMT)
M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> =C2=A0I will start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s.

This will test the CW rise/fall time shaping of all these class
d/e home made manual telegraphy transmitters.=20

It will also require that the CW operators remain below 12wpm.

John






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op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV id=3Dyiv362814419>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">Hi John and LF<?xml:namespace prefix =3D o ns =3D "urn:schemas-mic=
rosoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">They say when you are trying to get out of a hole stop digging.<o:=
p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">You are right of course from recent reading 50Hz BW for CW (ON/OFF=
 Keying) is probably much lower than 12 WPM .... depressing isn't it?<o:p></=
o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'"><A href=3D"http://www.w8ji.com/cw_bandwidth_described.htm">http://=
www.w8ji.com/cw_bandwidth_described.htm</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'"><A href=3D"http://www.eham.net/articles/16649">http://www.eham.net=
/articles/16649</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">To Warren<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">My reference to SSTV was to take the argument of spectrum usage in=
 our (UK allocation)&nbsp;3kc/s bandwidth to an absurd level&nbsp;to make a=20=
point. We need to be able to conduct two way real time QSOs on the band with=
out one station hogging the lot with a wide blocking beacon type transmissio=
n especially when stations have to co-exist in close physical proximity. In=20=
the Home Counties we don't have the luxury of the wide open prairies of Cana=
da and the US between stations so some of us around here can have almost vol=
ts in our antennas from neighbouring stations.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">I think I can hear the reply now, haven=E2=80=99t you guys heard o=
f Hi Q band pass filters in the antenna input to the RX. Yes and that=E2=80=
=99s where my argument falls down, time to stop digging.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></=
DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">Personally however, I think I would prefer to hear the CW =E2=80=
=9Cthumps=E2=80=9D that I could decode by ear than the unintelligible racket=
 from a =E2=80=9CDATA=E2=80=9D transmission.....ho hum.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></D=
IV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">73 de (depressed) petefmt<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 5/1/09, John P-G <I>&lt;gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.u=
k&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: John P-G &lt;gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk&gt;<BR=
>Subject: Re: LF: Re: Silent majority<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR=
>Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 8:11 AM<BR><BR><PRE>On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:36=
:56 +0000 (GMT)
M0FMT &lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt; wrote:

&gt; &nbsp;I will start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s.

This will test the CW rise/fall time shaping of all these class
d/e home made manual telegraphy transmitters.=20

It will also require that the CW operators remain below 12wpm.

John



</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></td></tr></table><br>



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Dear All,

M0BMU is now QRV overnight on WSPR 136.0kHz dial, 137.504kHz RF out. I 
shifted my TX frequency up by 4Hz to see if that is an improvement w.r.t. 
Loran. Any reports very welcome.

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WE2XGR/2 will be transmitting in WSPR mode tonight starting 2200Z on a dial 
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Reports are appreciated.

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Hi All,
capture 137khz
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73s

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture 137khz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny pa3cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen 
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MessageJim, Wolf, LF,

Reception as follows:-

093600   7  10  1.1   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 27
094200   3 -21  1.5     1  0  DF0WD JO42 27
094400   7   8  1.2   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 27

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Scholz, Marco
  Sent: 17 January 2009 09:32
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: RE: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning


  Good morning,
  good reception of DF0WD
  092600  18 -11  0.9    11  0  DF0WD JO42 27
  092800   9 -20  0.6     0  0  M0BMU IO91 27

  vy73
  Marco
  DD7PC in JN49ax



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  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning


  Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,

  Many thanks for the WSPR activity.

  To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving sites.
  The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:

  0900  -7  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27

  (automatic uploading of spots to
http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&
findreporter=&sort=date

  was off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.

  At the same period, the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB ...
13 dB less SNR than here at the club station, using the 200 meter wire
antenna. What a difference !
  I don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is frozen
still), but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems to be in
the same region as M0BMU.

  Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short while now.

  73,
    Wolf  DL4YHF ( @ df0wd,  JO42FD) .

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D039234609-17012009>Jim, Wolf,=
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<BR>093600&nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; 10&nbsp; 1.1&nbsp;&nbsp; -10&nbsp; 0&nbsp; M0=
BMU=20
IO91 27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>094200&nbsp;&nbs=
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-21&nbsp; 1.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0&nbsp; DF0WD JO42=20
27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>094400&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
7&nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; 1.2&nbsp;&nbsp; -10&nbsp; 0&nbsp; M0BMU IO91=20
27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D039234609-17012009>73, Dave G=
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  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTaho=
ma    size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Scholz, Mar=
co=20
  <BR><B>Sent:</B> 17 January 2009 09:32<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: 137 kHz WSPR tests=
=20
  saturday morning<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=
=3DArial    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Good morning,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=
=3DArial    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>good reception of DF0WD </FONT></SPAN><=
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009></SPAN><SPAN=20=
   class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>09=
2600&nbsp; 18=20
  -11&nbsp; 0.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 11&nbsp; 0&nbsp; DF0WD JO42=20
  27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>092800&nbsp;&nbsp;=20=
9=20
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=
=3DArial    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>vy73</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=
=3DArial    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>DD7PC in </FONT></SPAN><SPAN    class=
=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff    size=3D2>JN49ax<=
/FONT></SPAN></DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff    size=3D2></FONT><BR=
>
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  <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o=
rg=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <B>On Behalf Of=20
  </B>dl4yhf@freenet.de<BR><B>Sent:</B> 17 January 2009 10:24<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests=20
  saturday morning<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,<BR><BR>Many thanks for th=
e=20
  WSPR activity.<BR><BR>To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving=20
  sites.<BR>The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:<BR><BR>0900&nb=
sp;=20
  -7&nbsp; 0.5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137500&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 27<BR><BR>(automatic=20
  uploading of spots to=20
  http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=3Dhtml&amp;band=3D2190&amp;limit=
=3D50&amp;findcall=3D&amp;findreporter=3D&amp;sort=3Ddate<BR><BR>was=20
  off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.<BR><BR>At the same period=
,=20
  the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB ... 13 dB less SNR than=20=
here=20
  at the club station, using the 200 meter wire antenna. What a difference=20
  !<BR>I don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is fr=
ozen=20
  still), but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems to be in=
 the=20
  same region as M0BMU.<BR><BR>Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short whil=
e=20
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Hello Dave, LF,

136kHz hasn't really interested me before, but I've been quite
successful in RX mode on 160m & 500khz, due to the favourable RF
environment up here in the wilds.

I wanted to see how I got on with 136, receiving, and WSPR is such a
useful tool for observing conditions. Jim's beacon is a handy source
for testing RX antennas!

I haven't really considered transmitting, as I really struggle for
vertical height for antenna supports. There are no trees or other tall
structures and in the severe gales we get here I'd really need to
engineer something substantial, and to be honest there are other things
I could be spending time and money on...!

My short fibreglass pole is a handy sky hook for short, experimental RX
antennas, but to get an efficient radiator for 136 is perhaps a step
too far for me.


Sorry to disappoint the DX hunters!

Cheers,

John





 On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:02:05 -0000
"Dave G3WCB" <ganymede444@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> John,
> 
> Are you thinking of transmitting on 136 kHz, ever? You'd be quite a
> good "catch" on the band! Not many GMs around...
> 
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
> 


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Dear LF Group,

The WSPR beacon is now QRT - I'm giving the electricity meter a rest :-)

Thanks for all the reports yesterday / overnight.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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Hello Warren , Denis ,

Warren Ziegler a =E9crit :
> Dennis,
>
>           Europe 1 is off the air from 0000 to 01:30 UTC each night
Not 00:00 > 01: 30 , it is 00:00 > 03: 00 the cut of Europe 1 .
Hellisandur/Iceland is not too awkward if is used a directing antenna ,
At the beginning I did not believe in it ! one tested and that went to of
my hopes ! I attach a capture of  "VO1NA"  10W @ 3962 km ( just
at the time of the cut of Europe 1 )

73 qro HNY Jean-Pierre f1afj



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My reception of WE2XGR.
I lost internet connection so the spots were not uploaded after about
midnight.

Chris G3XVL (JO02NB) Ipswich Suffolk
using an inverted L 30ft  high, ICOM 706


2220 -27  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2222 -24  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2224 -27  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2226 -24  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2228 -23  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2230 -27  0.5   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2236 -29  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2238 -28  0.4   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2242 -28  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2244 -18  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2246 -18  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2248 -26  0.8   0.508515 -1 WE2XGR FN31 57
2250 -21  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2252 -21  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2254 -25  0.7   0.508516  1 WE2XGR FN31 57
2300 -27  0.7   0.508515 -1 WE2XGR FN31 57
2302 -22  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2304 -18  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2306 -18  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2308 -23  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2328 -28  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2336 -29  0.8   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2340 -23  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2342 -22  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2344 -22  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2346 -26  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2350 -25  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2352 -26  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2354 -26  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2356 -26  0.8   0.508516  1 WE2XGR FN31 57
0000 -28  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0002 -25  0.8   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0004 -24  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0006 -27  0.7   0.508516  1 WE2XGR FN31 57
0008 -24  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0016 -27  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0032 -24  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0034 -24  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0036 -24  0.5   0.508515  1 WE2XGR FN31 57
0038 -27  0.6   0.508515 -1 WE2XGR FN31 57
0042 -27  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0056 -27  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0058 -23  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0100 -22  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0102 -22  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0104 -25  0.8   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0106 -25  0.5   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0108 -25  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0110 -25  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0112 -26  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0114 -26  0.5   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0118 -25  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0120 -24  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0122 -22  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0124 -26  0.8   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0134 -23  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0136 -27  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0138 -26  0.5   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0140 -24  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0142 -24  0.8   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0144 -26  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0148 -26  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0150 -22  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0152 -23  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0154 -24  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0156 -26  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0158 -23  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0200 -23  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0202 -24  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0204 -27  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0206 -26  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0208 -23  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0210 -25  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0220 -28  0.8   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0222 -25  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0226 -28  0.6   0.508515  1 WE2XGR FN31 57
0252 -28  0.5   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0254 -27  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0440 -27  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0444 -27  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0500 -25  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57

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My reception of WE2XGR.<br>I lost internet connection so the spots were not=20=
uploaded after about midnight.<br><br>Chris G3XVL (JO02NB) Ipswich Suffolk<b=
r>using an inverted L 30ft&nbsp; high, ICOM 706<br><br><br>2220 -27&nbsp; 0.=
7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
2222 -24&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2224 -27&n=
bsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2226 -24&nbsp; 0.6&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2228 -23&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2230 -27&nbsp; 0.5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
2236 -29&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2238 -28&n=
bsp; 0.4&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2242 -28&nbsp; 0.6&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2244 -18&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2246 -18&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
2248 -26&nbsp; 0.8&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515 -1 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2250 -21&nbsp;=20=
0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2252 -21&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&=
nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2254 -25&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.50=
8516&nbsp; 1 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2300 -27&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515 -1 WE=
2XGR FN31 57<br>
2302 -22&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2304 -18&n=
bsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2306 -18&nbsp; 0.6&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2308 -23&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2328 -28&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
2336 -29&nbsp; 0.8&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2340 -23&n=
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bsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2344 -22&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2346 -26&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
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nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
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bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0142 -24&nbsp; 0.8&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0144 -26&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
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0148 -26&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0150 -22&n=
bsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0152 -23&nbsp; 0.7&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0154 -24&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0156 -26&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
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bsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0202 -24&nbsp; 0.6&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0204 -27&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0206 -26&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
0208 -23&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0210 -25&n=
bsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0220 -28&nbsp; 0.8&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0222 -25&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0226 -28&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
nbsp; 1 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
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bsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0440 -27&nbsp; 0.6&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0444 -27&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0500 -25&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
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>From digital group 


Hi Graham

This is what I am receiving here in Norway on 502.4 KHz this evening.

212600 5 -26 0.7 -30 0 G4JNT IO90 23
213000 12 -15 1.2 -1 0 M0BMU IO91 30
213000 6 -23 0.4 66 0
213200 4 -20 0.6 66 0
213400 5 -25 0.6 -30 0 G4JNT IO90 23
213600 2 -20 0.6 66 0
213800 1 -28 0.7 -30 0
213800 9 -21 1.4 -1 0 M0BMU IO91 30
213800 4 -22 0.5 66 0
214600 12 -15 1.2 -1 0 M0BMU IO91 30
214800 2 -23 0.3 66 0

My antenna is 7 m long vertical fishing rod, loaded with a 9:1 unun,
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The radio is an icom ic-r75

73 de LA5VNA Steinar

 



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It is reasonably easy to get going on 500 khz but 137 khz is a MAN'S  band a=
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I had just increased power back to 23dBm ERP then.   At the end of the QRP
tests there was just one station still reporting copy.


2009-01-30 22:24

G4JNT

0.503872

-19

0

IO90iv

+0

0.001

G0KTN

IO81ti

91

57

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


2009/1/30 Piotr M=B3ynarski <sq7mpj@toya.net.pl>

> Andy Talbot wrote:
>
> ....
>
> The figures won't go below 0dBm  so they will no longer be a true
> representation of tx power.   WSPRnet is still reporting several listeners
> copying my sigs, now at -28dB S/N,  so will continue decreasing power a bi=
t
> longer.
>
>
> .....
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> Dear Andy, Jim, LF group
> looks like i 've got your wspr tx 'ing first time on my side..
> just a fragment of my wspr screen..
> 2300 -23  0.1   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
> 2306 -21  0.0   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
> 2310 -28  0.1   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
> 2310 -22  0.0   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
> 2314 -23 -0.1   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
> 2320 -21  0.1   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
>
> btw, Jim if you read this mail.. you've mentioned about a constant weak
> signal  around  950Hz
> i have also a constant  signal at  964 Hz  while you are here at 904 Hz as
> for its intensity  at jo91rs  both signals are "weak" i.e.
> it is comparable to your signal so it goes into -20's
>
> 73, peter, sq7mpj
>
> qth:  lodz, poland/jo91rs/
> p.s Andy , the qrb iis 1440 km (io90iv - jo91rs) as reported  by the
> wsprnet.org database
>
>

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<div>I had just&nbsp;increased power back to 23dBm ERP then.&nbsp;&nbsp; At=20=
the end of the QRP tests there was just one station still reporting copy.</d=
iv>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>
<table dir=3D"ltr" cellspacing=3D"0" width=3D"623" border=3D"0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"21%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p>2009-01-30 22:24 </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"8%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p>G4JNT </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"11%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p align=3D"right">0.503872 </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"5%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p align=3D"right">-19 </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"4%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p align=3D"right">0 </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"9%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p>IO90iv </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"5%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p align=3D"right">+0 </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"8%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p align=3D"right">0.001 </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"9%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p>G0KTN </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"9%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p>IO81ti </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"6%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p align=3D"right">91 </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"5%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p align=3D"right">57 </p></span></font></td></tr></tbody></table><br clear=
=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com">www.g4jnt.com<=
/a><br><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/1/30 Piotr M=B3ynarski <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:sq7mpj@toya.net.pl">sq7mpj@toya.net.pl</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">Andy Talbot wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite=3D"http://midfc7eccec0901301419w14f22806n763efc36373ad1d3@m=
ail.gmail.com" type=3D"cite">
<div>....<br></div>
<div class=3D"Ih2E3d">
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The figures won&#39;t&nbsp;go&nbsp;below 0dBm &nbsp;so they will no lon=
ger be a true representation of tx power.&nbsp;&nbsp; WSPRnet is still repor=
ting several listeners copying my sigs, now at -28dB S/N,&nbsp; so will cont=
inue decreasing power a bit longer.&nbsp; </div>

<div>&nbsp;</div><br></div>
<div>.....=20
<div class=3D"Ih2E3d"><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http:=
//www.g4jnt.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br><br></div></div=
></blockquote><br>Dear Andy, Jim, LF group<br>looks like i &#39;ve got your=20=
wspr tx &#39;ing first time on my side..<br>
just a fragment of my wspr screen..<br>2300 -23&nbsp; 0.1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.5039=
04&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 30<br>2306 -21&nbsp; 0.0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.503904&nbsp; 0=20=
M0BMU IO91 30<br>2310 -28&nbsp; 0.1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.503874&nbsp; 0 G4JNT IO90=20=
23<br>2310 -22&nbsp; 0.0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.503904&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 30<br>2314=20=
-23 -0.1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.503904&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 30<br>
2320 -21&nbsp; 0.1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.503904&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 30<br><br>btw, Ji=
m if you read this mail.. you&#39;ve mentioned about a constant weak signal&=
nbsp; around&nbsp; 950Hz<br>i have also a constant&nbsp; signal at&nbsp; 964=
 Hz&nbsp; while you are here at 904 Hz as for its intensity&nbsp; at jo91rs&=
nbsp; both signals are &quot;weak&quot; i.e. <br>
it is comparable to your signal so it goes into -20&#39;s<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 73, peter, sq7mpj<=
br><br>qth:&nbsp; lodz, poland/jo91rs/<br>p.s Andy , the qrb iis 1440 km (io=
90iv - jo91rs) as reported&nbsp; by the <a href=3D"http://wsprnet.org/" targ=
et=3D"_blank">wsprnet.org</a> database<br>
<br></div></blockquote></div><br>

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Dear LF group,

Also using WSPR 1.01 beacon software here - 100% decodes so far...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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Same problem here Uwe

F4DTL JN18FP

Dans un e-mail daté du 09/01/2009 22:19:06 Paris, Madrid,
g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk a écrit :

Uwe,

Which WSPR version are you using Beacon or QSO?
I only  have Beacon version at the moment & no decodes here.

73
Gary -  G4WGT.







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John,

Are you thinking of transmitting on 136 kHz, ever? You'd be quite a good
"catch" on the band! Not many GMs around...

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Hello Jim,

Don't do anything special, I was just wondering if there'd be some
signals around tonight. I've not tried 136 before, so it's all a new
ball-game.

I'll keep an eye on the band and see if anything appears.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV


 On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:46:20 -0000 "James Moritz"
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> Dear John,
>
> Can do, if you like... will need to wait until about 2000utc while I
> sort out some other things. Is that OK?
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:27 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR beacon on 136kHz
>
>
> > Jim, LF,
> >
> > Are you, or any others, going to run WSPR again tonight?
> >
> > I am setting up for RX only mode on 136 and WSPR is a gread way to
> > test and monitor things.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John
> > GM4SLV
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:19:59 -0000
> > "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear LF Group,
> >>
> >> I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/-
> >> (136.0kHz "dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any
> >> reports would be very welcome.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> >> 73 de M0BMU
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>



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Jim

I think the mode should of been named   'ICARUS'

G ..

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>
> Dear Uwe, Markus,
>
> That would explain it too - nothing serious I hope...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
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> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:18 PM
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>
>
>> Hi Uwe, Jim and all,
>>
>> according to my grabber screenshots, it looks as if the DJ8WX 
>> transmission
>> had ended in the middle of a WSPR period at 21:45:48 UT.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Markus, DF6NM
>>
>
>
>



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Hello Joe ,
I listening tonight your beacon .
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

jcraig@mun.ca a =E9crit :
>
> Thanks to some FB WX on the week-end, the aerial has been repaired.
> The 10 watt QRSS 75 transmissions will resume tonight at 2300 UTC.
> Reports are most welcomed.
>
> 73 and GL
> Joe VO1NA
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And the protoype HeyPhone was tested on 73 kHz in Yorkshire (Birkwith Cave i=
f I recall correctly).  No-one complained.

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On 25/01/2009 at 18:52 mal hamilton wrote:

>Correct Andy and it is a pity that it closed. I called you several times
>on=20
>CW but you did not answer!!!!!!!!!!!! although I did hear a BUZZ and a
>BANG=20
>from you and always wondered what you were doing hi
>mal/g3kev
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>----- Original Message -----=20
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>> Now, 73kHz was a real MANs band - never worked you then, Mal.
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/25 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>> It is reasonably easy to get going on 500 khz but 137 khz is a MAN'S=20
>>> band
>>> and the BOYS need to catch up. There were a few active this morning on=20
>>> 137
>>> khz and I am sure if approached they would gladly help the BOYS to get=20
>>> going
>>> on LF. If my information is correct RUSTY RAZOR has been listening on
>LF=20
>>> and
>>> I suppose that is a start !!
>>> g3kev
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Hi Jim,

Good signal here, also seeing Markus DF6NM faintly on the WSPR waterfall but
no decodes as yet.

090111 2114  32  -1  1.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090111 2118  31  -2  1.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090111 2124  29  -4  1.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090111 2132  30  -3  1.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090111 2140  32   0  0.2   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0

Gary - G4WGT.


-----Original Message-----
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Dear LF Group,

I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/- (136.0kHz 
"dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any reports would be very 
welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 




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Old fashioned PA power...
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  ... Is that 5 KW  erp or Just plate input ?=20

  G ..=20

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=20
Thanx dear John for this report.
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F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP
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<DIV>Thanx dear John for this report.</DIV>
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<DIV>Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 25/01/2009 12:14:20 Paris, Madrid,=20
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Oops, I forgot to include F6BWO at 539 in my listed of 136kHz 
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Here is the weak signal for Mal. DI2AG on 505.090 beaconing.
73   Walter  DI2AG / DJ2LF

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
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Subject: Re: LF: WSPR


> TNX G, guess it was a bogus sig that shows up here often...
>
> Also TU fer grabber url
If propagation remains as at presentr tonight is a good oppertunity for TR 
QSO'S
I will be QRV on 502.57 khz hopefully there will a few active from the USA.
Mal/g3kev

>
> Looks possibly good for tonight T/A with particle density @ 8.3 right 
> now??
>
> http://dx.qsl.net/propagation/propagation.html  Havn't figured this out
> yet...
>
> 73s from
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 8:52 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR
>
>
>>I don't think there is any 500 activity to  night ?
>>
>> This grabber is a good indication !
>>
>> http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/500-khz-grabbers
>>
>> G ..
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:59 AM
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR
>>
>>>
>>> Am I on the right track.??.
>>>
>>> Short of downloading the WSPR software, this is what I see tonight near
>>> 503.500...
>>>
>>> SpectraVue http://www.radiocom.net/600M/WSPR503500.bmp
>>>
>>> And on ARGO QRSS3 a few hertz below 503.5 =
>>> http://www.radiocom.net/600M/WSPR00000.jpg
>>>
>>> Looks louder and cleaner on QRSS10
>>>
>>> Lots of QRN tonight...
>>>
>>> Or is it just a birdy??
>>>
>>>
>>> TNX
>>>
>>> Dave @ WD2XSH/17  ( in the colonies )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Shouldn't they be marked as such by the program ? I have seen in the
>>>>> past
>>>>> some rows
>>>>> received by WSPR with the tag (bad msg)...  but maybe it catches only
>>>>> some of the errors...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
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>>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1884 - Release Date: 
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>>> 08:38
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Thanks for all the reports

Quite a un-expected evening all round

73's

Graham ..


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From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq

>
> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>
> centre frequency  503 khz
>
> tx mode usb
>
> power 30 watts tune signal
>
> Will send for next few hours
>
> Reports welcome
>
>
> Graham
>
>
>
>
>



>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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Greetings all,

Nothing seen / heard from OH here yet, but I'll keep looking.

> Someone has a good signal on 137.5 khz sending data.

And someone else has a good signal (unmodulated) on 137.517, masking another=
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Looks like 200Hz and 250Hz to me - looking at three spectrograms, amd
not even properly filling the spaces in between fully.  So occupied
bandwidth is less than spread.

Andy  G4JNT
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2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Its not a few hundred hertz it is SEVERAL hundred hertz.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co=
m>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
> I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
> throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
> important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
> particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
> getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
> but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
> poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.
>
> So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
> over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
> fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
> much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
> QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>
>> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
>> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
>> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot"
>> <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>
>>
>>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>>
>>> OLIVIA :
>>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<U=
q
>>> 8
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>>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>>> gnbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nb=
d
>>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>>
>>>
>>> MFSK8
>>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  =D9*BwkiroN9 -in=F0?Sd=DB4=BFhIa lr
>>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog  rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez;  uETqioB Vae   n Ct W
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i
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>>> a I=A4narLx=FDikc igq'<anel6
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ro&"t l=D6
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Abd  g0nbd
>>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =ADiefo&
>>> kD kk e e0enm o=A7 HbecOgh=C9o  eno fsewtit,es m=CCx=AAoitn 'Xei eaer=
=FEii
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CQ
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>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk rBt=F28e=E6 t=B6=ADknmm)mL   io 4=
Eek a
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0 mPn=FA=FFK
>>> =B3S=A2 iwX=E4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=E2pg H Jant0n9=A8j=B7eoet n
>>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=F4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
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g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =AB=F2ee
>>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>>
>>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>
>>
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Warren Ziegler Ð¿Ð¸ÑˆÐµÑ‚:

>Thanks to Lubos, Victor, Henny, Dimitry, and Jean-Pierre for the
>reports and captures!
>
>  
>
Hi Warren
Today many traces from XGJ!

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Dear Mal, LF Group,

Mmmm... There is something called DFCW where high and low tones correspond 
to dashes and dots of Morse. That way you don't need to learn another code - 
it is also quicker because Morse characters have less than 7 1/2 symbols. 
Just imagine trying to work out all that figure shift/letter shift stuff 
when you have lost half the signal in the QRM!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

--- Original Message ----- 
From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>

....This would possibly be a good system to use if slowed down similar to 
QRS morse, with all the benefits.
You do not need a teleprinter or any sort of print display, just read it 
directly off the waterfall display, 1 ele start, 5 elements info, and 1 and 
1/2 elements stop. (total 7-1/2 elements per character) easy to ID and read.
73 mal/g3kev




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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:42:34 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear John,
> 
> Should be no problem, as everything is still in place from the
> weekend. I'll let you know when it is running.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
> 
Hi Jim,

1st TX period: -12dB!

Nice work!

John


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Yes Jim
I have all of this in mind, but I am not too concerned about the detail at 
present, just trying to observe the sig quality for qso purposes. I would 
like to try it some time on the TR path. The best method of course is one RX 
and both antennas fed to it via a mixer and each antenna input calibrated 
and equalised. Ideally each antenna should have a separation of 1 wavelength 
at least, but that is difficult considering the freq and space reqd.
I have seen this done on HF and it is vy impressive.
There are other ways if one had the time.
73 and tnx ur observations de mal/g3kev

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> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
> That is an interesting experiment - It would be interesting to know how 
> far
> apart the loops are to result in different fading patterns.
>
> I would be very wary in interpreting the results from two totally 
> different
> types of receiver - The SLM has essentially a fixed gain, while I see the
> IC-746 has a DSP "back end" with complex AGC loops acting on both analogue
> and digital parts. I guess the AGC in the IC746 is never totally disabled 
> in
> order to prevent overloading of the A/D converter. So that may explain why
> loop "B" has a more constant apparent output level. One check would be to
> swap over the antennas between receivers, and see what difference that 
> made.
> I suppose it would not be too difficult to have, say, a relay that 
> switched
> the same RX input between the two antennas, perhaps every 10 or 20s or so,
> with an attenuator pad to get the signal levels roughly equal. That way ,
> the comparison could be made with a single receiver.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> To: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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>
> LF/MF
> I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using two
> loops...
>
>


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Alberto di Bene wrote:
> Copied in the last hour, starting from 21:00 UTC
> 
> 2108 -28  1.6   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2116 -28  1.4   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2126 -22  1.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2132 -24  1.5   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2136 -23  1.5   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2142 -24  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2156 -29  1.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2202 -28  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2210 -25  1.5   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 
> Rx : Perseus    Ant : Roelof mini-whip    Winrad ->VAC ->WSPR 1.01
> 
> Received in JN45sl,  QRB = 1025 km, 637 mi
> 
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD

After two hours :


2108 -28  1.6   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2116 -28  1.4   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2126 -22  1.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
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2252 -30  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23  <=== -30 dB.....
2256 -29  1.2   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2302 -28  1.2   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23



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Hello Andy,

If you want to see a REALLY ugly LF exciter, also with I/Q processing :
http://freenet-homepage.de/dl4yhf/phasing_lf_exciter/index.html


And, not as ugly as mine:
http://www.w1tag.com/Phasing.htm

John has achieved a carrier suppresion around 60 dB, or better.
A few notes about the software to drive it is also on this site.

Cheers,
  Wolf DL4YHF .


Andy Talbot schrieb:
> Direct soundcard to LF upconverter; image reject mixer with allpass
> phase network for a few hundred Hz bandwidth.
>
>            http://www.g4jnt.com/LFUpconv.pdf
>
> Around 40dBc sideband rejection, so a bit marginal for the
> perfectionist but probably difficult to do very much better without an
> awful lot of phase and amplitude tweaking.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
>   



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Hi Chris and LF
=C2=A0
It seems every action has unintended consequences. In writing the mail below=
 I was trying to make a point about the escalating use of band width per tra=
nsmission. That Olivia thing is wide plus side bands, as Mal said. If you or=
 I started using it, it=C2=A0really would mess up the band for both of us.=
=C2=A0Another mail said its OK because it is spread spectrum therefore we wo=
uld not notice it. That in my opinion is tosh because as we both know I can=20=
read your key up signal (and probably you can read mine) which means an SS s=
ignal will have to be blooming small as not to be worth radiating not to be=20=
heard or interfere with local stations. People seem to be carried away with=20=
modes that compete with each other like Wireless LAN etc but the principal d=
oes not in=C2=A0IMHO compute when in proximity to other single frequency=C2=
=A0Amateur Radio QSOing modes especially CW. That what I was trying to say!
=C2=A0
I take back any thing that I said that has offended you in any way and pleas=
e end your moratorium on 500kc/s activity. I did not want this unintended re=
sult of my mail=C2=A0trying to support Mal.=20
=C2=A0
This means I have had to retract nearly every thing I contributed on the sup=
port of narrow BW signals=C2=A0for 500kc/s. In future I will zip it!
=C2=A0
I am sorry Adrian has dropped 500kc/s however he does come up on 80m and=C2=
=A0I bet he will not be able to resist listening and doing x band=C2=A0=C2=
=A0contacts.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0
73 petefmt Zipped!!!
=C2=A0

--- On Thu, 8/1/09, Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LF: 500 kHz - Silent majority
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Thursday, 8 January, 2009, 9:02 AM






I deduce that my (fairly) frequent transmissions on MF may be causing
some annoyance and inconvenience to local stations.
=C2=A0
Consequently I shall be QRT on 500 kHz for the remainder of this month.
This will give local stations an opportunity to use=C2=A0a quiet band withou=
t
G3XIZ QRM.
=C2=A0
I must report that sadly Adrian G4GDR has dismantled his MF equipment
and=C2=A0returned his N.O.V.=C2=A0to OfCom.
He was an active and keen MF operator and constructor but has lost interest=20=
due
to lack of activity.
I for one will miss him.
=C2=A0
73 Chris G3XIZ
=C2=A0

=C2=A0




From: Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 5 January, 2009 22:22:55
Subject: RE: LF: Re: Silent majority

=EF=BB=BF=20
Dear LF,=20
=C2=A0
Geri DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 137 kHz=
 a few years back.=20
=C2=A0
Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler too=C2=A0;-)
=C2=A0
Follow the link below:-=20
=C2=A0
http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html
=C2=A0
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
=C2=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep..org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org]On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 05 January 2009 02:37
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep..org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Silent majority






Hi LF=20

Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experimentation=20=
of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off the Int=
ernet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a 1000 w=
ords. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the world=
 by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.=C2=A0 The result may be a bit more i=
nteresting than the shopping lists of stations worked, equipment lists and r=
ig specifications that get churned out ad nauseam over the weekends.=20

I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op friends wo=
uld feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.=20

No, the above suggestion is ridiculous. It does however, Einstein, Planck et=
 al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum bandwidth for=
 the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band? =C2=A0I will s=
tart the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed with=20=
less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then hand=20=
shaking could be introduced to ensure error free data transfer a bit like X2=
5 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max. =C2=
=A0We need to think outside the box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable mode=
s onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co with all due respect to Alber=
to (who I admire immensely for his great innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT proc=
essing software) I think, =C2=A0is over the top. Nobody is into book burning=
 and denial of spectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play wi=
th here in the UK. =C2=A0I consider myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operato=
r not a
 highflying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D radio spectrum quantum mechanic, but=20=
I would hope we are trying to do more with less and I don=E2=80=99t think Ol=
ivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I would expec=
t one of the cardinal points in their specification, along with very narrow=20=
BW, to be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the effect on adjace=
nt stations not running that particular mode.=20

In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming there a=
re any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narrow ban=
d data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.=20

Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground.=20

Vy 73 petefmt=20


--- On Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:

From: Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
Subject: LF: Re: Silent majority
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM

Steve McDonald wrote:
>> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
>> taken place on MF.
>=20
> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
> Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
> wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
> What an amazing gift.
>=20
> VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science.... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD









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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"t=
op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Hi Chris and <SPAN>LF</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It seems every action has unintended consequences. In writing the mail=20=
below I was trying to make a point about the escalating use of band width pe=
r transmission. That Olivia thing is wide plus side bands, as Mal said. If y=
ou or I started using it, it&nbsp;really would mess up the band for both of=20=
us.&nbsp;Another mail said its OK because it is <SPAN>spread</SPAN> spectrum=
 therefore we would not notice it. That in my opinion is tosh because as we=20=
both know I can read your key up signal (and probably you can read mine) whi=
ch means an SS signal will have to be blooming small as not to be worth radi=
ating not to be heard or interfere with local stations. People seem to be ca=
rried away with modes that compete with each other like Wireless LAN etc but=
 the principal does not in&nbsp;IMHO compute when in proximity to other sing=
le frequency&nbsp;Amateur Radio QSOing modes especially CW. That what I was=20=
trying to say!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I take back any thing that I said that has offended you in any way and=20=
please end your moratorium on 500kc/s activity. I did not want this unintend=
ed result of my mail&nbsp;trying to support Mal. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>This means I have had to retract nearly every thing I contributed on th=
e support of narrow BW signals&nbsp;for 500kc/s. In future I will zip it!</D=
IV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am sorry Adrian has dropped 500kc/s however he does come up on 80m an=
d&nbsp;I bet he will not be able to resist listening and doing x band&nbsp;&=
nbsp;contacts.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 <SPAN>petefmt</SPAN> Zipped!!!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 8/1/09, Chris Osborn <I>&lt;g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk&gt;</I=
></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: Chris Osborn &lt;g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk&gt;<BR>Subject=
: LF: 500 kHz - Silent majority<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date:=
 Thursday, 8 January, 2009, 9:02 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1302246321>
<STYLE type=3Dtext/css><!--#yiv1302246321 DIV {margin:0px;}--></STYLE>

<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times=
, serif">
<DIV>I deduce that my (fairly) frequent transmissions on MF may be causing</=
DIV>
<DIV>some annoyance and inconvenience to local stations.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Consequently I shall be QRT on 500 kHz for the remainder of this month.=
</DIV>
<DIV>This will give local stations an opportunity to use&nbsp;a quiet band w=
ithout</DIV>
<DIV>G3XIZ QRM.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I must report that sadly Adrian G4GDR has dismantled his MF equipment</=
DIV>
<DIV>and&nbsp;returned his N.O.V.&nbsp;to OfCom.</DIV>
<DIV>He was an active and keen MF operator and constructor but has lost inte=
rest due</DIV>
<DIV>to lack of activity.</DIV>
<DIV>I for one will miss him.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 Chris G3XIZ</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times=
, serif"><BR>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times=
, serif"><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>
<HR SIZE=3D1>
<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Dave G3WCB &lt;ganymed=
e444@btopenworld.com&gt;<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN><=
/B> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sen=
t:</SPAN></B> Monday, 5 January, 2009 22:22:55<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEI=
GHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: LF: Re: Silent majority<BR></FONT><BR>=
=EF=BB=BF=20
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Dear LF, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Geri DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 1=
37 kHz a few years back. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler too&nbsp;;-=
)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Follow the link below:-=20
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2><A href=3D"http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnof=
ollow>http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SPAN>=
</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2><A href=3D"http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnof=
ollow></A></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTahoma=
 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-rsgb_lf_group@bla=
cksheep..org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>=
M0FMT<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 January 2009 02:37<BR><B>To:</B> rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep..org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Re: Silent majority<BR><BR></FONT></D=
IV>
<TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 border=3D0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Hi LF</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experiment=
ation of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off t=
he Internet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a=20=
1000 words. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the=
 world by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.<SPAN>&nbsp; </SPAN>The result=20=
may be a bit more interesting than the shopping lists of stations worked, eq=
uipment lists and rig specifications that get churned out </FONT><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',=20=
'sans-serif'">ad nauseam</SPAN><FONT face=3DCalibri size=3D3> over the weeke=
nds.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op frie=
nds would feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3><U>No, the above suggestion is ridiculous.</U> It does however, Einste=
in, Planck et al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum=20=
bandwidth for the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band? <=
SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>I will start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than=20=
50c/s. G3PLX managed with less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN iss=
ue on this band then hand shaking could be introduced to ensure error free d=
ata transfer a bit like X25 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow band=
width say 50c/s max. <SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>We need to think outside the box and=
 not try to shoe horn unsuitable modes onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck=
 and co with all due respect to Alberto (who I admire immensely for his grea=
t innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT processing software) I think, <SPAN>&nbsp;<=
/SPAN>is over the top. Nobody is into book burning and denial of
 spectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play with here in the=
 UK. <SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>I consider myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operator=
 not a highflying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D radio spectrum quantum mechanic=
, but I would hope we are trying to do more with less and I don=E2=80=99t th=
ink Olivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I would=
 expect one of the cardinal points in their specification, along with very n=
arrow BW, to be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the effect on=20=
adjacent stations not running that particular mode.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming t=
here are any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narr=
ow band data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground=
.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Vy 73 petefmt</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <I>&lt;dibene@usa.=
net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: Alberto di Bene &lt;dibene@usa.net&gt;<BR>Subject=
: LF: Re: Silent majority<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Monda=
y, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Steve McDonald wrote:
&gt;&gt; There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
&gt;&gt; taken place on MF.
&gt;=20
&gt; There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now=
 as
&gt; Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
&gt; wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently do=
es.
&gt; What an amazing gift.
&gt;=20
&gt; VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science.... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></=
DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>



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Dear Dave,

Wasn't me... but it might be soon - I have just put the beacon on at 
0000utc! Any overnight reports would be very welcome.

In the light of Dave's experience, and presumably others in NE USA, it might 
be a good idea to move the WSPR centre frequency down slightly...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
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> ID sideband from NDB station 400 miles down the coast is blasting in 
> tonight and making false decodes in the 503.900 window so I nudged the 200 
> window down a bit and see that M0BMU is making some lines in all this rain 
> and snow static...



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Jim, LF,

Are you, or any others, going to run WSPR again tonight?

I am setting up for RX only mode on 136 and WSPR is a gread way to test
and monitor things.

Cheers,

John 
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:19:59 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
> 
> I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/-
> (136.0kHz "dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any reports
> would be very welcome.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU 
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Hi all,very strong,audible signal at 137.5 KHz,

73
Victor
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Hello LF ,

Good activity last night , RA3YO , UA4WPF , RN3AGC , DF6NM , WD2XKO , 
WD2 XGJ ,
Large thank you in all , Laurence ( KL1X ) , your grabber is really a 
super "motivator" !

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj


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Paul
Nice signal now daytime 1530 utc solid OOO copy
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Daytime test: OH1LSQ on 136.80kHz


Hello LF

Will continue the transmission on 136.80kHz over the evening and night.


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD


Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> Hello LF!
>
> Transmitting CW ID + QRSS3 ID on 136.80kHz.
>
>
> Again, thanks for all reports on last night's activity.
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
>
>






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Dear Dennis,

It appears TF3HZ is copying myself and G0NBD in Iceland on 503.xxkHz WSPR 
tonight, so some sigs going the other way also...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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>
> Hi!
>
> Really nice radio reception of Hellissandur 189kHz AM now in Berlin!



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Hello Warren, Anatolij, LF!
There were quite different conditions as the one night before. Morning RX wi=
ndow was  not strong, but one FB window around midnight UT.
XGJ is still running with low-power? UFB signal this night!
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Gerhard
I will lookout for you. I will be on 136.8 khz but always search the band fo=
r acty. I worked F6BWO today. I have worked OE and DL many times some years=20=
back.
73 de mal/g3kev

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  Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:22 PM
  Subject: AW: LF: 137


  Mal,

  Thanks for info, but I will be QRV on LF at Sunday morning at the same tim=
e as Heinz, OE5EEP;

  best  73 de Gerhard  /  DK6NI

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  Gerhard

  Nil hrd so far at 0900 utc this morning. Now qrv on 136.8 khz cw

  mal/g3kev

  =20

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: Beckmann, Gerhard=20

    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

    Cc: 'H. Schnait'=20

    Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:46 PM

    Subject: AW: LF: 137

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    Hello Heinz,

    =20

    I also will be QRV on 136.5 kHz next Sunday morning and try to call you=20=
(if weather is not too bad regarding my outdoor-loading coil, hi)=20

    We had already some QSO's on LF some years ago (hi).

    Hopefully that the LF-activities are increasing...

    =20

    vy 73 de Gerhard  /  DK6NI

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    =20

    this should be 136.5kHz of course...

    73 Heinz

    Heinz Schnait schrieb:=20

    I will be QRV on 137.5kHz in regular CW on Sunday morning, abt. 08.00 -=20=
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    Heinz, OE5EEP

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gerhard</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will lookout for you. I will be on 136.8=20=
khz but=20
always search the band for acty. I worked F6BWO today. I have worked OE and=20=
DL=20
many times some years back.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dbeckmann.erlangen@freenet.de     href=3D"mailto:beckmann.erlang=
en@freenet.de">Beckmann, Gerhard</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:=
22=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> AW: LF: 137</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Mal,=
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Than=
ks for info, but=20
  I will be QRV on LF at Sunday morning at the same time as Heinz,=20
  OE5EEP;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">best=
 &nbsp;73 de=20
  Gerhard&nbsp; /&nbsp; DK6NI<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p=
>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=3D3=
><SPAN     lang=3DEN-GB style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20=
    lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><FONT =20=
   face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 12pt; COLOR: windowtext">
  <HR tabIndex=3D-1 align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
  </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN =20=
   style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMI=
LY: Tahoma">Von:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT     face=3DTahoma color=3Dblack size=
=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Tah=
oma"> <A     href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-<st1:P=
ersonName     w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A></st1:PersonName>=20
  [mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName     w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</st1:PersonName>] <B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Im Auftrag von <=
/SPAN></B>mal hamilton<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Gesendet:=
</SPAN></B> Samstag, 24. Januar 2009=20
  10:15<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonNa=
me     w:st=3D"on"><A     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org</A></st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-W=
EIGHT: bold">Betreff:</SPAN></B> Re: LF: 137</SPAN></FONT><FONT     color=
=3Dblack><SPAN   style=3D"COLOR: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></=
DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=3D3=
><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN     s=
tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gerhard</SPA=
N></FONT><FONT     color=3Dblack><SPAN   style=3D"COLOR: windowtext"><o:p></=
o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN     s=
tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Nil hrd so f=
ar=20
  at 0900 utc this morning. Now qrv on 136.8 khz cw</SPAN></FONT><FONT     c=
olor=3Dblack><SPAN   style=3D"COLOR: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></=
P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN     s=
tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">mal/g3kev</S=
PAN></FONT><FONT     color=3Dblack><SPAN   style=3D"COLOR: windowtext"><o:p>=
</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=3D3=
><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: windowtext">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></S=
PAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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OM: medium none">
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN   =20=
   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-----=20
    Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"font-color: black">
    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=3DArial=
       color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FO=
NT       face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A       title=3Dbeckmann.erl=
angen@freenet.de       href=3D"mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de">Beckmann=
, Gerhard</A>=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20=
      style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-F=
AMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT       face=3DArial color=3Dblack si=
ze=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY:=
 Arial"> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:=
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20=
      style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-F=
AMILY: Arial">Cc:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT       face=3DArial color=3Dblack si=
ze=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY:=
 Arial"> <A       title=3Dh_schnait@a1.net href=3D"mailto:h_schnait@a1.net">=
'H. Schnait'</A>=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20=
      style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-F=
AMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT       face=3DArial color=3Dblack=20=
size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial"> Friday,=20
    January 23, 2009 9:46 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20=
      style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-F=
AMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT       face=3DArial color=3Dbla=
ck size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FA=
MILY: Arial"> AW: LF:=20
    137<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=
=3D3><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: windowtext"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN    =20=
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hello=20
    Heinz,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN    =20=
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I=20=
also will be QRV=20
    on 136.5 kHz next Sunday morning and try to call you (if weather is not=20=
too=20
    bad regarding my outdoor-loading coil, hi) <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We=
 had already some=20
    QSO=92s on LF some years ago (hi).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ho=
pefully that the=20
    LF-activities are increasing=85..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">vy=
 73 de=20
    Gerhard&nbsp; /&nbsp; DK6NI<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D</SPAN></FONT><SPAN       lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</SPAN><FONT face=
=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB       style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=20=
10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <DIV>
    <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><FONT=
       face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN       style=3D"=
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: windowtext">
    <HR tabIndex=3D-1 align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
    </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=
       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-=
FAMILY: Tahoma">Von:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT       face=3DTahoma color=3Dblac=
k size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAM=
ILY: Tahoma"> <A       href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">ow=
ner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    [mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName       w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org</st1:PersonName>] <B><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Im Auftrag=
 von </SPAN></B>H. Schnait<BR><B><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Ges=
endet:</SPAN></B> Freitag, 23. Januar 2009=20
    16:49<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</SPAN></B> <st1:Person=
Name       w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><BR><B><=
SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Betreff:</SPAN></B> Re: LF: 137</SPAN=
></FONT><FONT       color=3Dblack><SPAN       style=3D"COLOR: windowtext"><o=
:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=
=3D3><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></=
P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=
=3D3><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">this should be 136.5kHz of course=
...<BR><BR>73=20
    Heinz<BR><BR>Heinz Schnait schrieb: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=3D"Times N=
ew Roman"       color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I wil=
l be QRV on 137.5kHz=20
    in regular CW on Sunday morning, abt. 08.00 - 11.00 UTC<BR><BR>Heinz,=20
    OE5EEP<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=
=3D3><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></=
P>
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: windowtext">
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    </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=
=3D3><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: windowtext"><BR>No virus f=
ound in this=20
    incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <BR>Version:=20
    8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1910 - Release Date: 1/22/2009 6:28=20
    PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
  <P>
  <HR>

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  http://www.avg.com <BR>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.13/1912 -=
=20
  Release Date: 1/23/2009 6:54 PM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Dear Marco, LF Group,

OK, thanks for looking - M0BMU WSPR will remain QRV, but may have to QRT if 
wind speed increases, due to fragile antenna!

Still good 100% copy of DF6NM here...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Hi Mal and LF
=C2=A0
I am disapointed in you Mal to be=C2=A0considering an envelope detector. A t=
rue CW man, I would have thought,=C2=A0should only entertain the use of a Co=
here detector!
=C2=A0
Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a range 136=
kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a much la=
ger range of frequencies but not tested by me.
=C2=A0
http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm
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73 pefmt
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--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM





Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info from the web=
.
g3kev
=C2=A0

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310113517964=C2=A0=C2=A0 E bay too
=C2=A0
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wri=
tes:

Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have had se=
veral requests for a circuit. To give=C2=A0others the opportunity=C2=A0to su=
bmit a cct I will await replies. This method=C2=A0was used successfully =C2=
=A0at Coldiz=C2=A0and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to MF/LF=20=
since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.
Build one and have a QSO using this RX
g3kev
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"t=
op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Hi Mal and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am disapointed in you Mal to be&nbsp;considering an envelope detector=
. A true CW man, I would have thought,&nbsp;should only entertain the use of=
 a Cohere detector!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a rang=
e 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a mu=
ch lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm">http://home.ea=
rthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 pefmt</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <I>&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.ne=
t&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Sub=
ject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Tu=
esday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone co=
nstruction. Not info from the web.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=
=3Driese-k3djc@juno.com href=3D"mailto:riese-k3djc@juno.com" target=3D_blank=
 rel=3Dnofollow>riese-k3djc@juno.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D_blank rel=3Dno=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58=20=
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Razor blade RX</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:=
g3kevmal@talktalk.net" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>g3kevmal@talktalk.net<=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence w=
ire RX a while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give&nbsp;=
others the opportunity&nbsp;to submit a cct I will await replies. This metho=
d&nbsp;was used successfully &nbsp;at Coldiz&nbsp;and other POW camps to rec=
eive BBC broadcasts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let us know how you would approach the subj=
ect. This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were recei=
cved on these bands.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Build one and have a QSO using this RX</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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Even the GRABBERS have gone QRT !!!!
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Dear Wolf, LF Group,

Tnx for reports - It seems WSPR can take a few minutes before it completes 
processing of the received sigs. I think this may be because it is searching 
200Hz of bandwidth for potentially a large number of simultaneous signals, 
so has to do more processing.

Also, many thanks to F5WK, NL9222, IK0ODO, F4EMV, G4WGT, and anyone else who 
is listening for the test - will keep it running for a few hours yet and see 
what happens.

Rig here is running 900W from IC718, transverter, and Decca PA into the 
usual 10m high, 40m long inv L antenna. RX is via 4m x 5m wire loop antenna. 
QTH is near Hatfield, Loc IO91VR.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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John,

if you run 1 W ERP from a small antenna it will be about 10 hours.
But if you run 1 W ERP from a big antenna it will take far less time ;-)

73, Rik ON7YD


At 22:53 18/01/2009, you wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:41:48 +0100
>Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> wrote:
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> > And a good part of our solar system would be in the near field.
> > Mal would have to contact Pluto before he could claim a DX ;-)
> >
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>What's the "out and back" time for a message to Pluto?
>
>Might be a long wait to find out "it's not raining also"
>
>John


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Thanks to some FB WX on the week-end, the aerial has been repaired.
The 10 watt QRSS 75 transmissions will resume tonight at 2300 UTC.
Reports are most welcomed.

73 and GL
Joe VO1NA



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Jim

Only two decodes during the period although I started receiving late at 0000Z and the RX antenna was 
carrying about 1/2 inch of ice.

090108 0340   3 -28   0.7   0.503510  M0BMU IO91 30
090108 0406   4 -28   0.6   0.503510  M0BMU IO91 30

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2



----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dear LF Group,
>
> The WSPR beacon operated from about 2200 to 0800utc, and the ERP was 1W. Thanks for the reports, 
> including from GM4ISM, M0LMH, G0NBD, F4DTL, F4EMV, G4CAO, G3WCB and DD7PC, and also thanks to 
> others who were listening, including KU4XR - there will be future opportunities!
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 



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Dear Paul-Henrik,

Now copying your QRSS3 - see attachment. Signal is recovering from QSB.

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John, LF,

What a clever database, I had not realised & not done any research so thanks
for the info.

Should be on again tonight all being well with my new (M0BMU) buffer amp,
the SBL-3 mixer seems to work better than the SA602 producing a cleaner
output at a better level.

All will be documented in due course on the UK500KHZ web site :-

http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz

and on my web site at :-

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.

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Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 502.400 Dial frequency ?

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:28:19 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> John, LF,
> 
> I note that Jim's WSPR is showing 4 locator characters on my WSPR
> list but 6 on the spots page.
> 
> Gary - G4WGT.
> 

Hello Gary, LF

WSPR itself only transmits the 4-figures (eg IO90) but if you enter all
6 in the options dialogue of the software (along with your correct
callsign, NOT K1JT - hi!)  then any spots you report to WSPRnet will be
tagged with your 6-figure locator (as a receiving station). Furthermore
it appears that the database at WSPRnet is clever enough to apply that
6-figure locator to any spots others make of your own transmissions....

If you notice Andy's reports all show him simply as "IO90" - when most
other people are 6-figure accurate. I can only assume it's because he's
never sent a spot to the database as a RX station, with his accurate
6-figure locator attached. If he did so then all later reports of HIS
signal would be 6-figure accurate too, due to the database cleverness.

Not really a problem, but it aids accurate distance calculation.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV



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Hello Markus, LF,
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Thought I had a false decode of Jim .. but it was real hi

090128 0010  18 -13  0.9   0.503930  M0LMH IO93 10           0     1    0
090128 0012  34   3  0.6   0.503900  M0BMU IO91 30           0     1    0
090128 0018  30  -2  0.5   0.503900  M0BMU IO91 30           0     1    0
090128 0018  19 -11  0.8   0.503931  M0LMH IO93 10           0     1    0

Something is very wrong with the lf set up  I did not decode Gary all night
and not all of Jims signals decoded  either

So using the ft897-d with the ads/usb sound card , every trace is decoding
so .. looks like the sound card is the problem as the rx and tx had similar
problems ..

wonderful ...

G .. 




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Dear Paul-Henrik, LF Group,

Fairly confident the signal in the attachment is you - or a very strange 
Loran line! The vertical markers are 1 minute. The spectrogram settings are 
for QRSS3.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 

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Graham,

at 20:58 it was -19dB SNR.
I have been able to decode as weak as -30dB, so 50mW would do the job.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:

> Just had this spot from OR7T  ....  500 mW feed power  to  35 ft top
> loaded vertical ..!
>
> 2009-01-30 20:50   G0NBD   0.503952   -21   0   IO83lk   +13   0.020
> OR7T JO20ix   594   369
>
>
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> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae
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>>
>> Still looks to  be working at range .. outstanding !
>>
>> all I can do  next is take the drive from the exciter direct to the Ae ?
>> G ..
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:28 PM
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>> Subject: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok All ,
>>>
>>> Well   from what I can measure  , power to the Ae is  500mW at the momen=
t
>>> as of about 20-25 hrs ...
>>>
>>> Initial level was 30 watts  feed
>>>
>>> See what happens ?
>>>
>>> G ..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Gerhard
Nil hrd so far at 0900 utc this morning. Now qrv on 136.8 khz cw
mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Beckmann, Gerhard=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Cc: 'H. Schnait'=20
  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:46 PM
  Subject: AW: LF: 137


  Hello Heinz,

  =20

  I also will be QRV on 136.5 kHz next Sunday morning and try to call you (i=
f weather is not too bad regarding my outdoor-loading coil, hi)=20

  We had already some QSO's on LF some years ago (hi).

  Hopefully that the LF-activities are increasing...

  =20

  vy 73 de Gerhard  /  DK6NI

  =20

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  Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Januar 2009 16:49
  An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Betreff: Re: LF: 137

  =20

  this should be 136.5kHz of course...

  73 Heinz

  Heinz Schnait schrieb:=20

  I will be QRV on 137.5kHz in regular CW on Sunday morning, abt. 08.00 - 11=
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  Heinz, OE5EEP

  =20



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gerhard</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nil hrd so far at 0900 utc this morning. No=
w qrv on=20
136.8 khz cw</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dbeckmann.erlangen@freenet.de     href=3D"mailto:beckmann.erlang=
en@freenet.de">Beckmann, Gerhard</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dh_schnait@a1.net   =20=
 href=3D"mailto:h_schnait@a1.net">'H. Schnait'</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 23, 2009 9:46=
=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> AW: LF: 137</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN     st=
yle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hello=20
  Heinz,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN     st=
yle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
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=3DEN-GB     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I al=
so will be QRV on=20
  136.5 kHz next Sunday morning and try to call you (if weather is not too b=
ad=20
  regarding my outdoor-loading coil, hi) <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We h=
ad already some=20
  QSO=92s on LF some years ago (hi).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hope=
fully that the=20
  LF-activities are increasing=85..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
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3 de=20
  Gerhard&nbsp; /&nbsp; DK6NI<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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oma"> <A     href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_l=
f_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEI=
GHT: bold">Im Auftrag von </SPAN></B>H. Schnait<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold">Gesendet:</SPAN></B> Freitag, 23. Januar 2009=20
  16:49<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</SPAN></B>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">B=
etreff:</SPAN></B> Re: LF: 137</SPAN></FONT><FONT     color=3Dblack><SPAN  =20=
style=3D"COLOR: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=3D3=
><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">this should be 136.5kHz of course...<BR=
><BR>73=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New=
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Markus ,

137-570  is the right carrier frequency ??

G ..

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From: "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
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Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz

>
> Good evening Alberto,
>
> great, someone's out there watching! A good reason to switch it back on 
> for another hour or so.
>
> Thank you for reporting!
>
> 73 de Markus, DF6NM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:46 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz
>
>
> It looks like Markus has switched on his Tx...
>
> 2220 -16  2.6   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
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> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
>



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Hello Stephen, LF'ers,
capture last night in 01.24z.
dfcw10.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV

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Happy New Year to all on the LF reflector.  Lets hope that Canadian=20
amateurs will be authorised to operate on 2200m this year!

Many thanks to all who have sent reports of the 1600m transmisions
and to Henny, Jean Pierre, Victor and Willem for their recent reports,
including some very spectacular recepions on the 17th and 20th.

73
Joe VO1NA

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote:

> Hello Joe ,
> Nothing also !
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
> henny van elst a =E9crit :
>> hny Joe,
>> nothing seen,
>> henny pa3cpm
>> 73s
>>
>>=20
>
>

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Markus, Lubos,

Are these light-coloured patches a typical signature of this effect?  I get=20=
quite a lot of them here.

John F5VLF

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On 15/01/2009 at 03:32 Lubos OK2BVG wrote:

>Hello Markus, LF!
>Many thanks for your info about Russian Loran (GRI 8000), it=B4s this!
>
>Here is my picture of Luxembourg effect in JN88KS. Very strong signal.
>
>Lubos, OK2BVG
>
>**************************************************
>
>> From: markusvester@aol.com
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:22:41 +0100
>> Subject: LF: Re: Luxembourg
>>=20
>> .. this is the cross modulation signature on the RN3AGC grabber. The
>pattern was also visible on F1AFJ's screen. - 73, Markus
>>=20
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
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>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:52 AM
>> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz, Luxembourg
>>=20
>>=20
>>  The band is fairly quiet tonight. Twice for a few minutes around 23:23
>and 23:33, there were strong Luxembourg sideband carriers
>>  simultaneously on both HGA and DCF. They were apparently caused by a
>1054 Hz sinusoidal modulation test tone (sidebands at 136.484,
>>  75 uV/m and 137.776 kHz, 13 uV/m). There was also a -20 dB second
>harmonic component (137.538, 6 uV/m and 136.722, 1.5 uV/m), due=20
>> to
>>  the square-law charasteristic of the heating effect.
>>=20
>>  Kind regards,
>> Marksu, DF6NM
>> =20
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Dear Andrey, LF Group,

Here is an observation that might be relevant, (or perhaps not!) to the 
problem of WSPR displaying a clear spectrogram trace of a signal, but 
failing to decode it. I noticed it while looking for OH1LSQ's QRSS earlier, 
and have now checked a bit more carefully.

First, I changed the BW from 250Hz to 2.4kHz so that I would be able to see 
OH1SQ at 800Hz audio frequency (carrier frequency set to 136.000k) using 
Spectrum Lab, and at the same time decode F5WK at around 1500Hz audio. This 
required reducing RF/IF gain to prevent overloading by the DCF39 carrier at 
2.83kHz audio. I could then see OH1LSQ OK, but although there was a good 
trace from F5WK in WSPR, no decoding occured. (Changing the gain does not 
alter the spectrogram appearance much, so presumably it is displaying SNR 
rather than absolute signal level. ).

Reducing the bandwidth to 250Hz, with the gain still reduced, restored 
normal decoding.

Increasing the bandwidth to 2.4kHz again, adjusting the passband shift 
control, and changing the loop orientation to reduce DCF39 and Lakihegy to a 
minimum while maintaining F5WK's signal, with the gain still reduced, also 
gave normal decoding, although there was now assorted additional noise in 
the passband.

It seems to me most likely that the failure to decode was due to the 
presence of the strong tone at high audio frequency from DCF39, although 
this tone was outside the WSPR frequency range, and not saturating the sound 
card A/D converter or overloading the analogue RX channel.

So if there are other tones in your RX passband while receiving WSPR, it 
appears they may prevent decoding occuring, even though a good signal is 
displayed on the WSPR spectrogram.

This seems to be a reproducible case where a strong WSPR signal does not 
decode on a receiving system that is known to work well. If others can 
reproduce this, it may be worth contacting K1JT to see if he is aware of 
this or can shed light on the matter.

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Mal

Antenna is back up in the air here...but we're expecting a snow storm starti=
ng mid afternoon running through tomorrow morning. Suspect static levels wil=
l be high but will be happy to take a look...if you care to transmit at a sp=
ecific time.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
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  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:46 AM
  Subject: LF: MF CONDX


  MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone available=
 this week end.
  Temp minus 3 today so far antenna ok

  mal/g3kev

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antenna is back up in the air here...but we=
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Hello Nicolas,
Thanks, I will watch. My grabber www.rn3agc.msk.ru/en/grabber1.shtml

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


>Hello Andrey, for a test with you,im beaconing now and until 2200Z on 137,776 QRSS60.
>
>Best regards F4DTL JN18FP


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hi Warren,
capture XGJ
henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 07-01.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi Warren,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture XGJ</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny pa3cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende 
bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:<BR>XGJ 07-01.jpg<BR><BR>Opmerking: 
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Hello Warren , Denis ,

Warren Ziegler a =E9crit :
> Dennis,
>
>           Europe 1 is off the air from 0000 to 01:30 UTC each night
 Not 00:00 > 01: 30 , it is 00:00 > 03: 00 the cut of Europe 1 .
Hellisandur/Iceland is not too awkward if is used a directing antenna ,
At the beginning I did not believe in it ! one tested and that went to of
my hopes ! I attach a capture of  "VO1NA"  10W @ 3962 km ( just
at the time of the cut of Europe 1 )=20

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Hello all,

I believe the time off is from 1:00 to4:00z although not every night.Most
receptions from 3:30 to 4:00.

73
good dx,

Victor

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Warren Ziegler
Verzonden: zondag 4 januari 2009 3:44
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: 184khz ?? vs. Longwave Broadcast



Dennis,

          Europe 1 is off the air from 0000 to 01:30 UTC each night,
that is when the  low power 184kHz beacon from VO1NA can be copied.
Iceland on 189kHz is very strong here most nights on the Northeast
coast of the US.
--
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1



On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Dennis <Dennis.Hennig@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Henny & others!
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> I see you Henny and some others observing the band for north american
lowfer signals around 18xkHz.
> That's amazing, at least to me...
>
> How is it possible, that those very low power signals do make it through
the overlapping sidebands of much closer by and very very much stronger
radiostations (300kW from Hellisandur/Iceland on 189kHz and 2000kW
Europe1/Germany on 183kHz?
>
> By the way, is there any chance to receive this Hellisandur 189kHz signal
in western Europe? Havn't detect it with rather simple setups and indoor
antenna so far, but it might be an interesting propagation indicator?
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> Dennis
> DL6NVC
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> Datum: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:25:19 +0100
>> Von: henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>
>> An: blacksheep <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Betreff: LF: 184khz
>
>> hi Joe
>> nothing seen
>> henny pa3cpm
>> best 73s
>
> --
> Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger geh=F6rt? Der kann`s mit allen:
http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger
>
>



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Gary,

    Thanks, I will forward your report to Bob.
Was XGR/6 audible?


-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
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                WE2XGR/1




On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> LF,
>
>
>
> WE2XGR/6 very strong signal at 0248utc this morning.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
>
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
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Automatic monitoring of the signal strength / frequency of CW beacon
signals, including those that drift by a small amount, can be achieved
using signal processing techniqes borrowed from the radar and Comint
worlds.   Referred to as CFAR, or Constant False Alarm Rate, the
principle is to take an FFT of the wanted band, then obtain an
estimate of the noise level and all CARRIER type signals present by
using statistical techniques, like averaging over adjacent time
samples, searching adjacent bins and voting.

I described the process in detail in the RadCom Data Column  in three
parts over April/June/August 2008  and it also appears in "Command"  [
http://www.rsgbshop.org/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Computing___Radio_39.html
 (still some copies left at bargain prices:) ]

The S/N of any carrier that exceeds the noise level by a certain
minimum amount can be determined accurately by the monitoring process,
its frequency determined and drifting signals can be tracked.
Multiple carrier s can be tracked if needed  The process does not work
so reliably where signals are modulated, so clearly are not of much
use for situations where the beacon callsign etc is not known in
advance.    However, it can be made to work sucessfully on the
microwave bands, where beacons freqeuncies and locations are known in
advance.

Microwave Beacon Monitoring software using CFAR techniqes and
including all source code can be found at :
   http://www.g4jnt.com/dspsw.htm
with an overview at    http://www.g4jnt.com/UWBCNMON.pdf

This particular software is too wideband for LF use, but the code
could be modified for lower sampling rates and bandwidths, and used
for auto monitoring of QRSS signals, once their origin has been
determined by other means

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
> Hello Klaus,
>
>> On the other hand, WSPR has the advantage of automatic
>> recording. But that is not an advantage of the mode, it
>> simply is the lack of a corresponding simple program that
>> does the same with a QRSS signal.
>
> the automatic recording/reporting ability is clearly an advantage of WSPR in
> regard with propagation studies. And I agree that QRSS or DFCW would serve
> as well or even better if a similar automatic recording/reporting would be
> provided.
> But I am afraid that a "waterfall display to ASCII" conversion is not simple
> at all ;-)
>
>> Nevertheless, WSPR is not very near to the Shannon limit.
>> I spent nearly all my leisure time of the last year with
>> the design of a new digital ham radio QSO-mode HD43 that
>> comes as close as possible to the theoretical limit.
>> I will send a preprint on request.
>
> I am interested
>
> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T
>
>
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>
>
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hi all,
capture wpf
henny cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
wpf 10-01.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture wpf</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende 
bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:<BR>wpf 10-01.jpg<BR><BR>Opmerking: 
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ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de 
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Marcus

Info on 137.570 kHz.

137565.036 9610 - South Central U.S.
137565.261 9960 - Northeast U.S.
137565.337 7270 - Newfoundland East Coast
137565.392 9940 - Western U.S.
137566.890 5980 - Russian American
137567.568 9990 - North Pacific
137568.922 7980 - Southeast U.S.
137569.095 7960 - Gulf of Alaska
137569.361 8290 - North Central U.S.
137569.677 8970 - Great Lakes
137570.239 9610 - South Central U.S.
137570.281 9960 - Northeast U.S.
137570.423 9940 - Western U.S.
137570.952 5990 - Canadian West Coast
137571.669 5930 - Canadian East Coast
137572.215 7270 - Newfoundland East Coast
137572.573 9990 - North Pacific
137575.188 7980 - Southeast U.S.
137575.251 5980 - Russian American
137575.251 8970 - Great Lakes
137575.301 9960 - Northeast U.S.
137575.377 7960 - Gulf of Alaska
137575.392 8290 - North Central U.S.
137575.442 9610 - South Central U.S.
137575.453 9940 - Western U.S.

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Hi Gary & LF
=C2=A0
HNY PAT rst 599 (slow qsb) here in IO91UX nr Hitchin North Herts (UK) at 23:=
10hrs 31/12/2008=C2=A0.
=C2=A0
And a Happy New Year to all LF from M0FMT.
=C2=A0
73 Petefmt

--- On Wed, 31/12/08, Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

From: Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: LF: beacon 499.3KHz
To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 8:53 PM








Hi LF,
=C2=A0
A beacon is operating at about 499.30KHz sending :-
=C2=A0
HNY PAT
=C2=A0
And quite strong here. See attachment
=C2=A0
73,
=C2=A0
Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
=C2=A0


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op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Hi Gary &amp; LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>HNY PAT rst 599 (slow qsb) here in IO91UX nr Hitchin North Herts (UK) a=
t 23:10hrs 31/12/2008&nbsp;.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4>And a Happy New Year to all LF from M0FMT</F=
ONT></EM></STRONG>.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 Petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 31/12/08, Gary - G4WGT <I>&lt;g4wgt@ti=
scali.co.uk&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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6,16,255) 2px solid">From: Gary - G4WGT &lt;g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk&gt;<BR>Subje=
ct: LF: beacon 499.3KHz<BR>To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIG=
HT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIG=
HT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A beacon is operating at abou=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIG=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIG=
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Dear Pete, Gary, LF Group,

"PAT" is strong here too - the loop says he is on a NW-SE bearing from 
Hertfordshire. I can also hear GW4HXO and GI4DPE.

Best wishes to all for 2009,

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Dave,

Thanks for the report, Tx about 270 watts antenna about 900mW ERP.

Gary - G4wgt.

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Subject: LF: G4WGT QRSS...

Gary,=20

Your QRSS signal is clearly audible here at RST559.

Also audible are G3KEV QRSS and GW3UEP CW signals

73, Dave G3WWCB IO91RM

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Subject: RE: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


Andy,

>>>>>>>> Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS would co-exist inside the tone spread.

I am just about to do that.

Gary - G4WGT.


-----Original Message-----
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NING NOW - 1615 HRS

I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.

So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co=
m>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>
>> OLIVIA :
>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<Uq
>> 8
>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>> gnbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>
>>
>> MFSK8
>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  =C3=99*BwkiroN9 -in=C3=B0?Sd=C3=9B4=C2=BFhIa lr
>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog  rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez;  uETqioB Vae   n Ct W
>> amSdeMe=C3=94dYbV*=C3=85=C2=AD  ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq=20=
=C2=BCeeawi i
>> =C3=80thiei=C5=A1=C2=B8etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jt=C5=BE;a=C2=BA o=C2=BAnJ=
=C2=BAo
>> a I=C2=A4narLx=C3=BDikc igq'<anel6
>> rmmz e rke wxe=C3=BBhC vo)o=C2=B7dad=C2=AA=E2=80=B9egseey(v e vt sce\ wVs=
ccon  t"tciu
>> tt=C2=A3h,iFtI=C2=BCv lre=C2=A6eek=C3=BAn =E2=82=ACi z=C3=A0=C3=82UP nve=20=
=C2=BD=C3=B9I t$   : nNe t  lro&"t l=C3=96
>> e=C2=B7=C3=B7RenuIoqemfep ,=C2=A4esss=C2=ADfer tt=C3=AA oequea8  =C2=A4d=
=C2=A7]xaV=C2=B0N~u=C3=87 pAbd  g0nbd
>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =C2=ADiefo&
>> kD kk e e0enm o=C2=A7 HbecOgh=C3=89o  eno fsewtit,es m=C3=8Cx=C2=AAoitn '=
Xei eaer=C3=BEii
>> lscktleea it=C2=A5 nd=C2=B7WmoEi=C2=ADxirwn mdW=C3=A3=C2=A6 7euc eg%oa lo=
Pttst   CQ CQ CQ
>> DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk rBt=C3=B28e=C3=A6 t=C2=B6=C2=ADknm=
m)mL   io 4Eek a
>> oiiqa  o zt eoun cKldd=C3=B98 =C2=B0o9aZnz=C3=A5ee  1  =C2=B9tlTtii0q=3Di=
 ielsaa nu 0 mPn=C3=BA=C3=BFK
>> =C2=B3S=C2=A2 iwX=C3=A4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=C3=A2pg H Jant0n9=C2=A8j=C2=
=B7eoet n
>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=C3=B4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=C2=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>> a=C2=B1 rotet a=C3=9C Foe2_vl=C2=A7ms=C3=AD t=C3=8Ck  t=3D l=C3=85 edCQ C=
Q CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =C2=AB=C3=B2ee
>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>
>>
>>
>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>
>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
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Jay,

first traces at 2132Z, first decode at 2144Z.
Seems it took your signal about 20 minutes to travel 1000km more south

What power - antenna - ERP are you running ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting jrusgrove@comcast.net:

> John
>
> See your first reception at 2122Z at -28 show up on the WSPR database a
> few minutes ago. That's 44 minutes before our sunset. Nice!
>
> Jay  W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:35:48 -0500
>> <jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> John, Rik and group
>>>
>>> Confirming that WE2XGR/2 TX is up and WSPRing. Will continue
>>> transmissions until at least 0000Z and probably beyond.
>>
>>
>> 1st decode at 21:22 -28dB
>>
>> Some faint traces visible on prior periods.
>>
>> Looking good for the rest of the evening,
>>
>> John
>>



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Dear Vernon, LF Group,

I closed the beacon down at 0108utc.

Thanks for your interest - will try for a longer overnight session over the 
next few days - but I really do need to do something about the antenna guy 
ropes here first!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vernon Matheson" <vmath@eastlink.ca>
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> Have set up to monitor 136K WSPR using 1200' longwire orientated E/W here 
> in FN85ki Nova Scotia Canada.
>
> Will leave it on for a few days...not sure if reception is possible...you 
> just never know :-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Vernon - VE1VDM
> Greenfield NS
> Canada
>
> 



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OK Jim same version, i dont understand why i cant decode  Uwe.
Wait and see.
 
 
F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010

_http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/) 

 
 
Dear LF group,

Also using WSPR 1.01 beacon software here - 100%  decodes so far...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


 
 

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mal hamilton wrote:

> Radio amateurs are at a disatvantage at present but could handle it, but appliance operators NO.
> G3KEV

A (very)small sample of the gear I look after, day to day.


http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/bressaymux1.jpg
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Does this qualify me as a radio amateur or an appliance operator?


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Jean-Pierre and Victor,

Thank-you very much for the spectra of last night.  Your
receivers are working well and my aerial work has
not been in vain!

73
Joe


On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote:

> Hello Joe ,
> Very good copy of your QRP beacon  last night .
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
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Hello LF,

G0NBD has been received at up to -5dB here, on 503.637, yet no sign of
a spot from anyone else on WSPRNET.

I wonder if it's because we're all on different dial frequencies?

Due to Gary using 503.600 RF I decided to shif up in dial freq to
502.100, which puts him in the centre of the 200Hz WSPR window, rather
than right at the top, had I stayed on 502.000

This of cource means anyone using 502.000 won't see the transmission
from G0NBD.

Can we decide on a dial QRG?

I am going off island first thing in the morning, returning TUesday
evening, so I'll leave the WSPR setup running. Does anyone have a
preferrence for which band would be most useful to watch for my
reported spots?

I'll set up for either 500 or 137 according to the requests I get in
the next hour or so.

Cheers,

John


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Yes Dave sad abt Merv.
QRG 502.57 Khz qrs 3 but can speed up to CW speed when appropriate.
I will also monitor Jay's freq 508.51 khz and 7033 khz. I have a 1 ele quad=20=
on 7 mhz.
Hpe hr fm u later de mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Howdy Mal,

  On tonight @ 22Z do you mean 502.51 or .57??

  Yes, Merv and I went through 10ghz and laser home brew together and had go=
od QSOs on each band, 10.368ghz. and 474thz.

  I was very surprized to hear of his passing...  Good man...

  As far as 2X QSO, I will be put in to the penalty box if I break the rules=
, but we could exchange 'captures' on 7033 afterwards??

  Too many rules and not enuf real work...  Scribes and Pharisees, they're e=
verywhere!!!

  Let me know, will be all eyes...

  Dave, WD2XSH/17, the little erp who can...






    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
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    Dave=20
    I did not realise that you knew Merv/NC1K and engaged in cloud lazer exp=
eriments. I have know Merv for years and knew him since his G3PXB days.
    We both worked together around 1964 before he emigrated to the USA.
    He was over here a few years ago and I saw him then. Unfortunately I got=
 the news about his departure just recently.
    73 and hpe to hear from u agn and look out for me tonite on 502.51 khz s=
tarting at 2200 utc approx.
    Mal/g3kev/Scarborough

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: dave.riley3=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09 AM
      Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


      Mal,

      Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

      http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


      73s from Dave




      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: mal hamilton=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
      Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


      Jay
      Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and=
 agn 2214 utc
      It looks ok so far.
      mal
      g3kev


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes Dave sad abt Merv.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>QRG 502.57 Khz qrs 3 but can speed up to CW=
 speed=20
when appropriate.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will also monitor Jay's freq 508.51 khz a=
nd 7033=20
khz. I have a 1 ele quad on 7 mhz.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hpe hr fm u later de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Ddave.riley3@verizon.net     href=3D"mailto:dave.riley3@verizon.=
net">dave.riley3</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:03=
=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re=
: Re:=20
  MF CONDX</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Howdy Mal,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>On tonight @ 22Z do you mean 502.51 or=20
  .57??</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Yes, Merv and I went through 10ghz and laser h=
ome=20
  brew&nbsp;together and had good QSOs on each band, 10.368ghz. and=20
  474thz.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>I was very surprized to hear of his passing...=
&nbsp;=20
  Good man...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>As far as 2X QSO, I will be put in to the pena=
lty=20
  box if I break the rules, but we could exchange 'captures' on 7033=20
  afterwards??</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Too many rules and not enuf real work...&nbsp;=
=20
  Scribes and Pharisees, they're everywhere!!!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Let me know, will be all=20
  eyes...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Dave, WD2XSH/17,&nbsp;the little erp who=20
  can...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV       style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: b=
lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">m=
al=20
    hamilton</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 12=
:31=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:=20=
Re: MF=20
    CONDX</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I did not realise that you knew Merv/NC=
1K and=20
    engaged in cloud lazer experiments. I have know Merv for years and knew=20=
him=20
    since his G3PXB days.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We both worked together around 1964 bef=
ore he=20
    emigrated to the USA.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He was over here a few years ago and I=20=
saw him=20
    then. Unfortunately I got the news about his departure just=20
    recently.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 and hpe to hear from u agn and look=20=
out for=20
    me tonite on 502.51 khz starting at 2200 utc approx.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal/g3kev/Scarborough</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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r: black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Ddave.riley3@verizon.net         href=3D"mailto:dave.riley3@=
verizon.net">dave.riley3</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A         title=3Drsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org         href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rs=
gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009=20=
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      AM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re=
: MF=20
      CONDX</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp=
; <A         href=3D"http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg">http://www.radiocom.n=
et/KEV9.jpg</A><BR></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D3><A         href=3D"http://www.radio=
com.net/KEV9.jpg">http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg</A></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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      <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>73s from Dave</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><BR><BR><STRONG>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: mal hamilt=
on=20
      <BR>To: <A         href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_l=
f_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
      <BR>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM<BR>Subject: LF: Re: Re: R=
e:=20
      Re: MF CONDX<BR><BR><BR>Jay<BR>Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qs=
b,=20
      first seen 2207 then gap and agn 2214 utc<BR>It looks ok so=20
      far.<BR>mal<BR>g3kev</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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Dear Graham, LF Group,

I have just downloaded MultiPSK, and am quite impressed to be getting nearly 
100% copy, in spite of your signal being only just audible, and having 
G3KEV's very strong CQ calls just on the edge of your bandwidth. Should be 
ready to try for a QSO in a short while, if you like.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq


> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
> centre frequency  503 khz
> tx mode usb
> power 30 watts tune signal
> Will send for next few hours
> Reports welcome
>
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Jay,

I will retune my RX from 502.4 to 507.0 dial freq at about 2200Z.
Spots will be uploaded and appear at:
http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=&sort=date
It  be on all night.

Chris, G3XVL


2009/1/27 <jrusgrove@comcast.net>

> WE2XGR/2 will be transmitting in WSPR mode tonight starting 2200Z on a dial
> frequency of 507.000 kHz.
>
> Reports are appreciated.
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>
>

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Jay,<br><br>I will retune my RX from 502.4 to 507.0 dial freq at about 2200Z=
.<br>Spots will be uploaded and appear at:<br><a href=3D"http://wsprnet.org/=
meptspots.php?mode=3Dhtml&amp;band=3D2190&amp;limit=3D50&amp;findcall=3D&amp=
;findreporter=3D&amp;sort=3Ddate">http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=3Dht=
ml&amp;band=3D2190&amp;limit=3D50&amp;findcall=3D&amp;findreporter=3D&amp;so=
rt=3Ddate</a><br>
It&nbsp; be on all night.<br><br>Chris, G3XVL <br>&nbsp;<br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">2009/1/27  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jrusgrov=
e@comcast.net">jrusgrove@comcast.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt=
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WE2XGR/2 will be transmitting in WSPR mode tonight starting 2200Z on a dial=20=
frequency of 507.000 kHz.<br>
<br>
Reports are appreciated.<br>
<br>
Jay W1VD &nbsp;WD2XNS &nbsp;WE2XGR/2 <br>
<br>
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Hi Jay,

 

Well OK then, first UK Olivia QSO!!!!!

 

73

 

Gary.

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of
jrusgrove@comcast.net
Sent: 02 January 2009 21:44
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???

 

WE2XGR/2 and WE2XGR/3 have QSOed in this mode on 500 kHz...and just about
all other modes as well...

 

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>  

To: LF <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>  -RSGB LF Group 

Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 4:23 PM

Subject: LF: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???

 

Hi LF,

 

Is this the first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??

 

 

CQ CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk

 

CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nb

 

m0bmu ... ok jim  uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu 

 

copy ok ???  how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham good
copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out the software
still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0nbd

 

ok dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker !  

 

fine copy 100%  what is your peak power o/p ????

 

nice to  work you for the first time .. 

hr running   30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti  pa block ..
multipsk ..

 

ae  35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config

 

ok ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still good copy
when ur sig barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long inv
L antenna from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP should
be close to 1W BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd

 

ok jim fine .. well all 100%  even in a deep qsb dip your signal fell under
the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode ..hihi/..  i
used  250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a good copy under qsb ..
better than psk ..

 

your signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking on spec-lab
and can only see same as my ouit going .......

 

ok .. well  fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti  pa .. im
keeping 

power down hihi

btu jim ???

 

g0ndb de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had had a nasty
accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but mostly
OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude
modulation in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things a
bit simpler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500hz
bandwidth variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many
complaints about bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd

 m0bmu .. de g0nbd 

 

ok fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx button and
the tx stopped hihi 

 

well this was a quick test to  see if this mode printed better over the
noise ...looks to  work very well  

 

could   change mode ?   8 x 250  that would give a good test ,  reduce to
8 x 250   8 x 250 ???

 

bkbkbkbk

 

ok graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8 x 50 mode
now - pse qrx...ok  changing to  8 x 250

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Well OK
then, first <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">UK</st1:p=
lace></st1:country-region>
Olivia QSO!!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>73<o:p><=
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p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or=
g] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>jrusgrove@com=
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r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: Re: 500KHz first
Olivia QSO ???</span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>WE2XGR/2 and WE2XGR/3 have QSOed in this mode on 50=
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kHz...and just about all other modes as well...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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t@tiscali.co.uk">Gary - G4WGT</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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f=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font=
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F: 500KHz first
Olivia QSO ???<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Is this the first Olivia QSO on=
 500KHz??<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>CQ CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>CQ CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:Cit=
y> <st1:State  w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nb=
sp; g0nbd&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>&nbsp;CQ CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</s=
t1:City> <st1:State  w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0=
nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>&nbsp;CQ CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</s=
t1:City> <st1:State  w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nb<o:p></o:p=
></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>m0bmu ... ok jim&nbsp; uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bm=
u <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>copy ok ???&nbsp; how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m=
0bmu ok
Graham good copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out t=
he
software still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>ok dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker !&n=
bsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>fine copy 100%&nbsp; what is your peak power o/p ????<o:p></o:=
p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>nice to&nbsp; work you for the first time .. <o:p></o:p></span=
></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>hr running&nbsp;&nbsp; 30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with ska=
nti&nbsp;
pa block .. multipsk ..<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>ae&nbsp; 35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>ok ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but sti=
ll good
copy when <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">ur</st1:City></st1:pl=
ace>
sig barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long inv L antenn=
a
from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP should be close to=
 1W
BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>ok jim fine .. well all 100%&nbsp; even in a deep qsb dip your=
 signal fell
under the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode
..hihi/..&nbsp; i used&nbsp; 250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a good
copy under qsb .. better than psk ..<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>your signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looki=
ng on
spec-lab and can only see same as my ouit going .......<o:p></o:p></span></f=
ont></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>ok .. well&nbsp; fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my
skanti&nbsp; pa .. im keeping <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>power down hihi<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>btu jim ???<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>g0ndb de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had=
 had a
nasty accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but
mostly OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude
modulation in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things a b=
it
simpler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500hz bandwi=
dth
variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many complaints about
bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>&nbsp;m0bmu .. de g0nbd <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>ok fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the=
 rx button
and the tx stopped hihi <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>well this was a quick test to&nbsp; see if this mode printed b=
etter over
the noise ...looks to&nbsp; work very well&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></=
b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>could&nbsp;&nbsp; change mode ?&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250&nbsp; that=
 would give
a good test ,&nbsp; reduce to&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250=20=
???<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>bkbkbkbk<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>ok graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over t=
o 8 x 50
mode now - pse qrx...ok&nbsp; changing to&nbsp; 8 x 250</span></font></b><b>=
<font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
ont-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>73,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p=
></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
ont-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.</span></font></b>=
</strong><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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I suspected so but had to ask LOL!!!! 

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Subject: LF: Re: 136khz WSPR

Dear Jay, Vernon, LF Group,

Jay - Thanks for looking -  I can see that could be the problem!

The WSPR signal has a bandwidth of around 6Hz, so the problem is finding
that much of a gap between lines. E.g. with the Northeastern USA chain with
9960 GRI, lines should appear every 5.02Hz roughly, although I expect some
will probably be stronger than others. Can you look with Argo on a wider
setting to see if there are any 6Hz wide spaces, or at least areas where the
lines are weaker?

Vernon - I'm afraid "SCP/LN8PHG" probably isn't a genuine signal, but WSPR
producing a false decode - this is fairly common when narrow-band QRM is
present, although only occurs rarely when just the band noise is present. 
Because of the way WSPR encodes/decodes, it will usually try to format any
"gobbledygook" as a legitimate message with callsigns, reports, etc. You can
usually tell by the outlandish callsigns and locators. A pity really,
otherwise they would be pretty impressive DX!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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LF,

Well almost !!!!

Gary - G4WGT.

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Andy,

>>>>>>>> Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS would co-exist inside the tone spread.

I am just about to do that.

Gary - G4WGT.


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I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.

So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co=
m>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>
>> OLIVIA :
>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<Uq
>> 8
>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>> gnbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>
>>
>> MFSK8
>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  =C3=99*BwkiroN9 -in=C3=B0?Sd=C3=9B4=C2=BFhIa lr
>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog  rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez;  uETqioB Vae   n Ct W
>> amSdeMe=C3=94dYbV*=C3=85=C2=AD  ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq=20=
=C2=BCeeawi i
>> =C3=80thiei=C5=A1=C2=B8etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jt=C5=BE;a=C2=BA o=C2=BAnJ=
=C2=BAo
>> a I=C2=A4narLx=C3=BDikc igq'<anel6
>> rmmz e rke wxe=C3=BBhC vo)o=C2=B7dad=C2=AA=E2=80=B9egseey(v e vt sce\ wVs=
ccon  t"tciu
>> tt=C2=A3h,iFtI=C2=BCv lre=C2=A6eek=C3=BAn =E2=82=ACi z=C3=A0=C3=82UP nve=20=
=C2=BD=C3=B9I t$   : nNe t  lro&"t l=C3=96
>> e=C2=B7=C3=B7RenuIoqemfep ,=C2=A4esss=C2=ADfer tt=C3=AA oequea8  =C2=A4d=
=C2=A7]xaV=C2=B0N~u=C3=87 pAbd  g0nbd
>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =C2=ADiefo&
>> kD kk e e0enm o=C2=A7 HbecOgh=C3=89o  eno fsewtit,es m=C3=8Cx=C2=AAoitn '=
Xei eaer=C3=BEii
>> lscktleea it=C2=A5 nd=C2=B7WmoEi=C2=ADxirwn mdW=C3=A3=C2=A6 7euc eg%oa lo=
Pttst   CQ CQ CQ
>> DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk rBt=C3=B28e=C3=A6 t=C2=B6=C2=ADknm=
m)mL   io 4Eek a
>> oiiqa  o zt eoun cKldd=C3=B98 =C2=B0o9aZnz=C3=A5ee  1  =C2=B9tlTtii0q=3Di=
 ielsaa nu 0 mPn=C3=BA=C3=BFK
>> =C2=B3S=C2=A2 iwX=C3=A4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=C3=A2pg H Jant0n9=C2=A8j=C2=
=B7eoet n
>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=C3=B4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=C2=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>> a=C2=B1 rotet a=C3=9C Foe2_vl=C2=A7ms=C3=AD t=C3=8Ck  t=3D l=C3=85 edCQ C=
Q CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =C2=AB=C3=B2ee
>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>
>>
>>
>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>
>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>
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More ABUSE about a person who asked a simple question about how those during=
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chnicalities and innovation think of the moral aspect. If caught one could b=
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Please act like a Gentleman and let us have your opinion. What would you do.

g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


  In a message dated 07/01/2009 17:00:47 GMT Standard Time, g3kevmal@talktal=
k.net writes:
    This is a simple exercise and NO ONE knows how to do it, plenty of comme=
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    An analogy

    1. Some HI TECH RAF pilots asked to fly a WW2 SPITFIRE and found it=20
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    2. Hi Performance students A + in their subjects could not pass a 1960 G=
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    paper in maths and english.

    These were recent UK TV productions.

    RF engineers and improvisers  are scarce it would appear both old and ne=
w.=20
    Digital and DC are abundant.

    Take away the Internet source, Maplins and Farnell and the electronics w=
orld=20
    would collapse.

  ----------

  It obviously hasn't occured to you that it's probably not so much that nob=
ody knows but that nobody CARES.

  In an effort to justify your moronic insistence that everyone should stick=
 to CW, because that's all that interests YOU, you set some meaningless task=
 that proves nothing.

  I don't hear too many people on the list telling you what you should be do=
ing, but hear far too many of your biased opinions as to how others should c=
onduct themselves.

  Would you please, just for a little while please, ever so nicely please, j=
ust stick your head back up your rear orifice where it belongs, so that all=20=
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James Moritz wrote:
> Eventually, I realised that the
> difference was that your transmissions are a few seconds shorter than
> the locally generated signals


Dear Jim, LF,

that is a clear evidence of a soundcard sampling rate error. I am quite sure
that all timing in the WSPR software is derived from the sampling frequency and,
if memory serves me, the WSPR program uses a sampling rate of 12kHz. If the
soundcard does not support this rate and/or has a "physical" sampling rate that
is not a multiple of 12kHz (for example 44.1 kHz), then the driver or window$
will kick in a "resampler" between the soundcard and the WSPR application which
is asking for 12kHz. Many such resamplers are known to be inaccurate...

73
Johan SM6LKM


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uwe-jannsen@versanet.de wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> dj8wx is xmitting at 135,975kHz in WSPR mode, pwr abt 50mWERP.
> RX dial 134,475kHz (USB).

No traces of your signal, but another one showed up, about 80 Hz lower...

2240 -21  1.8   0.135896 -1 TM0ILH JN07 40

73  Alberto  I2PHD



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Hello Uwe, could you increase your power for just one test,  HBG 22 is too=20
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F4DTL Nicolas.
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Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 09/01/2009 20:55:13 Paris, Madrid, =20
uwe-jannsen@versanet.de a =E9crit :

Hi  all,
dj8wx is xmitting at 135,975kHz in WSPR mode, pwr abt 50mWERP.
RX  dial 134,475kHz  (USB).

regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv





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Pete and co
You are wandering away from the subject. My question was not on the merits o=
f detectors etc, simply how to build a razor blade detector and suitable ear=
phone using scrap parts available in a trench or Jail, for instance in 1940
I have all the answers if you get stuck and I did not get it from an interne=
t source. Its fundamental knowledge that a radio amateur should know and esp=
ecially if the BIG BANG should happen
g3kev
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         Hi Rik and LF

        But that's the point,  an envelope detector will not detect CW (ON /=
 OFF Keying) unless A/ you have a local oscillator (DC rx) to create a beat=20=
in the detector, added complication in design or B/ unless the carrier has g=
ot noise on it (sparker) or it is modulated, added bandwidth for no extra in=
telligence.

        If we go away from a simple detector RX and add amplification to an=20=
envelope detector the recovered DC from a CW signal could be used to operate=
 a switch to activate a Buzzer, light or side tone oscillator but I don't th=
ink thats in the spirit of the spirit of the challenge.

        However a Coherer detector does everything for CW in one simple easy=
 to construct mechanical device with no fiddling with cats whiskers or the r=
isk of cutting a vital artery with a sharp razor blade! And no need for high=
 impedance cans.

        I rest my case for the Coherer detector.I think Edouard Branly and O=
liver Lodge got it dead right!

        The challenge is to make a QSO using the Razor Blade RX I am working=
 on it. But a counter Challenge is to use a Coherer for a two way QSO, I am=20=
working on that also. However it's very cold in my garage right now so don't=
 expect a result from me soon but better setup ops may have a result sooner.

        Regards 73 petefmt

        --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> wrote:

          From: Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
          Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?
          To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
          Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 8:11 AM


          MCW: what a waste of bandwidth, Mal will allert OFCOM !

          73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

          At 00:42 7/01/2009, you wrote:

             No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz.

            73 DJ1ZB


             "M0FMT" <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb:=20

              Hi Mal and LF



              I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope dete=
ctor. A true CW man, I would have thought, should only entertain the use of=20=
a Cohere detector!



              Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work ov=
er a range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work=20=
over a much lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.



              http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm



              73 pefmt







              --- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote=
:

                From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>

                Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

                To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

                Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM


                Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not i=
nfo from the web.

                g3kev



                  ----- Original Message -----=20

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                  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

                  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM

                  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


                  310113517964   E bay too



                  On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal=
@talktalk.net> writes:

                    Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a whil=
e back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportu=
nity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was used successfully=
  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.

                    Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is=20=
applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these=
 bands.

                    Build one and have a QSO using this RX

                    g3kev









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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pete and co</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You are wandering away from the subject. My=
=20
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=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Razor blade RX ...=
. Try=20
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        <DIV>&nbsp;Hi Rik and LF</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>But that's the point, &nbsp;an envelope detector will not detec=
t CW=20
        (ON / OFF Keying) unless A/ you have a local oscillator (DC rx) to=20
        create a beat in the detector, added complication in design or B/ un=
less=20
        the carrier has got noise on it (sparker) or it is modulated, added=20
        bandwidth for no extra intelligence.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>If we go away from a simple detector RX and add amplification t=
o an=20
        envelope detector the recovered DC from a CW signal could be used to=
=20
        operate a switch to activate a Buzzer, light or side tone oscillator=
=20
        but&nbsp;I don't think thats in the spirit of the spirit of the=20
        challenge.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>However a Coherer detector does everything for CW in one simple=
=20
        easy to construct mechanical device with no fiddling with cats whisk=
ers=20
        or the risk of cutting a vital artery with a sharp razor blade! And=20=
no=20
        need for high impedance cans.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>I rest my case for the Coherer detector.I think <SPAN lang=3DEN=
           style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-themecolor: text1; mso-ansi-language:=20=
EN"><A           title=3D"Edouard Branly"           href=3D"http://en.wikipe=
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ORATION: none; mso-themecolor: text1; text-underline: none"><FONT          =20=
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      lang=3DEN           style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-themecolor: text1; mso-=
ansi-language: EN"><A           title=3D"Oliver Lodge"           href=3D"htt=
p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Lodge"><SPAN           style=3D"COLOR: blac=
k; TEXT-DECORATION: none; mso-themecolor: text1; text-underline: none"><FONT=
           face=3DCalibri size=3D3>Oliver Lodge</FONT></SPAN></A>&nbsp;got i=
t dead=20
        right!</SPAN><SPAN           style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-themecolor:=20=
text1"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>The challenge is to make a QSO using the Razor Blade RX I am=20
        working on it. But a counter Challenge is to use a Coherer for a two=
 way=20
        QSO, I am working on that also. However it's very cold in my garage=20
        right now so don't expect a result from me soon but better setup ops=
 may=20
        have a result sooner.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Regards 73 petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 7/1/09, Rik=20
        <SPAN>Strobbe</SPAN> <I>&lt;rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;</I></B>=20
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        <BLOCKQUOTE           style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;=20=
BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:=20
          Rik Strobbe &lt;rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF=
:=20
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          rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009,=20=
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          <DIV id=3Dyiv1200408088>MCW: what a waste of bandwidth, Mal will a=
llert=20
          OFCOM !<BR><BR>73, Rik&nbsp; ON7YD - OR7T<BR><BR>At 00:42 7/01/200=
9,=20
          you wrote:<BR>
          <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">&nbsp;No problem!=
 Use=20
            MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz.<BR><BR>73=20
            DJ1ZB<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;"M0FMT" &lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt; schrieb=
:=20
            <BR>
            <DL>
              <DD>Hi Mal and LF<BR>
              <DD><BR>&nbsp;
              <DD>I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope=20
              detector. A true CW man, I would have thought, should only=20
              entertain the use of a Cohere detector!<BR>
              <DD><BR>&nbsp;
              <DD>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they wor=
k=20
              over a range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P=
)=20
              probably work over a much lager range of frequencies but not=20
              tested by me.<BR>
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              <DD><A href=3D"http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm" =20=
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              <DD>73 pefmt<BR><BR><BR>
              <DD><BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;
              <DD>--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net=
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                <DD>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>
                <DD>Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM<BR><BR>
                <DD><FONT size=3D2>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone=20
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                <DD>g3kev<BR></FONT>
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                  <DD>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" &lt;<=
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                    <DD>Let us know how you would approach the subject. This=
 is=20
                    applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time wer=
e=20
                    receicved on these bands.<BR>
                    <DD>Build one and have a QSO using this RX<BR>
                    <DD>g3kev<BR></FONT>
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Jim

Was curious why I haven't been able to receive your WSPR signals on 136 kHz ... guess I should have 
looked at this sooner...

A quick look with Argo pointed out the problem - see attachment below. You may want to 'bump' your 
dial a bit and avoid the following frequencies. One can still report the 'dial frequency' as 136.000 
to keep things simple for the receiving stations and accept the offset on the reports received.

137495.784 5930 - Canadian East Coast
137495.826 5990 - Canadian West Coast
137496.561 7270 - Newfoundland East Coast
137496.984 8290 - North Central U.S.
137497.213 8970 - Great Lakes
137497.399 9610 - South Central U.S.
137497.497 9990 - North Pacific
137500.000 5980 - Russian American
137500.000 7960 - Gulf of Alaska
137500.000 7980 - Southeast U.S.
137500.000 9940 - Western U.S.
137500.000 9960 - Northeast U.S.
137502.503 9990 - North Pacific
137502.601 9610 - South Central U.S.
137502.787 8970 - Great Lakes
137503.016 8290 - North Central U.S.
137503.439 7270 - Newfoundland East Coast
137504.174 5990 - Canadian West Coast
137504.216 5930 - Canadian East Coast
137505.020 9960 - Northeast U.S.
137505.030 9940 - Western U.S.

I'll check out the frequency used by Marcus and report back.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 

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Ok Thanks lee

Ive reduced to  10 watts peak o/p

G ..

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From: "Lee Hudson" <hudsonville@btinternet.com>
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Subject: LF: RE: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq

>
> Hi Graham,
>
> Receiving your CQ in IO93gx despite some strong QRM.
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Just downloaded fldigi to see if it worked,
> So far 100% copy on each transmission since 22:20z.
>
> 73,
> Lee Hudson
> M0LMH.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
> Sent: 02 January 2009 20:28
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> Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>
> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>
> I have just downloaded MultiPSK, and am quite impressed to be getting 
> nearly
>
> 100% copy, in spite of your signal being only just audible, and having
> G3KEV's very strong CQ calls just on the edge of your bandwidth. Should be
> ready to try for a QSO in a short while, if you like.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:30 PM
> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>
>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>> centre frequency  503 khz
>> tx mode usb
>> power 30 watts tune signal
>> Will send for next few hours
>> Reports welcome
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>>
>
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>



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Some more strong signals,

73

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Hello LF,

I find it strange that the number of grabbers active should be used as a
measure of the conditions and activity levels of the LF bands.

Surely died in the wool "real radio amateurs" - who eschew all operation
except manual telegraphy - should care not a jot if anyone has a grabber
online or not?

If this is the "peak season" for DX then grabbers and other
computerized aids should be superfluous, and the keen DX hunters should
be rattling away on their keys having lots of real QSOs, not surfing
the internet looking at online waterfall screens.

It seems to me that those who run grabbers and suchlike can't win, in
the eyes of the "real CW men". 

Those that provide these facilities are generally derided for spoiling
the traditions of aurally received, manually sent, telegraphy with their
computerized appliances. 

When these "appliance operators" apply themselves to other areas of
interest, and leave the LF field bereft of grabbers, they are again
derided for removing a useful tool for the "DX hunting CW man". 

Talk about double standards!

John GM4SLV


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Paul
Can we have a qso xband u on 136.8 and I will tx on 502.57 khz or 1833 khz M=
F CW

73 mal/g3kev

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Hi all,


For those of you that like to tune the NDB bands from time to time I'd
like to announce that the 2009 edition of the ENDBH & NANDBH handbooks
and CDs is now available.

An info package can be downloaded at

http://www.4shared.com/file/79454639/44c8035b/2009_ndb_info_package.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/88okum

The new ENDBH 2009 contains the data of more than 6300 NDBs on 160+
spiral-bound pages in A4 format and the NANDBH 2009 shows the data of
more than 5800 NDBs on 130+ pages.

The 2009 version of the CD introduces an additional chapter with NDB
data sorted per bearing and direction. The Google Earth compatible NDB
waypoint file has been updated with the latest NDB coordinates so that
you can "visit" NDB locations around the globe. The multimedia
contents of the CD version have been expanded to a total of more than
160 NDB pictures and more than 190 NDB sound clips from around the
world.

In case you're interested in ordering a handbook or CD for other parts
of the world please don't hesitate to ask, I'm able to produce
customized versions for your special needs.

Delivery of the CDs will be via download. In case you still want a
physical copy of the CD please indicate this when ordering.

Prices in Euro remained stable once again and foreign currency prices
have been adjusted when necessary. When using PayPal for payment
please add =A41 / =A31 / US-$2 to cover PayPal fees. Please find all
relevant details under the 2009 info package URL below.

Once again I'd like to take this opportunity to say many thanks to all
DXers who have sent me comments and updates, suggested improvements,
pointed out errors, or provided NDB pictures and sound clips etc. As
always your support is very much appreciated and an invaluable help
and encouragement for me!


--=20
vy 73 + gd DX,

Michael


Editor of "The European NDB Handbook" & "The North American NDB Handbook"


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The GR-874 is an early GenRad "genderless" connector I am sure even a "young
lad" like you will have seen them on admittanace bridges and old sig gens.
They just plug together...good to 1500HMz with the threaded sleeve to reduce
leakage.

Alan

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> Come on then - explain :-)
> Never even heard of GR-874
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
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>
> 2009/1/26 Mark <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk>:
> > GR-874 I haven't seen any of those for a while, but I can see how any
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Mal

Sorry...TX antenna lowered to ground due to yesterday's ice storm and it doe=
sn't look like there will be any melting today. Will advise if condx change.

Jay
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:44 AM
  Subject: LF: TR QSO


  MF ops TR
  Anyone available tonight for a QSO across the pond. MF condx good at prese=
nt. VU stn(India) audible on 1820 khz at 1500 utc daylight here.
  It could be a good nite for 500 long haul.
  mal/g3kev

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry...TX antenna lowered to&nbsp;ground d=
ue to=20
yesterday's ice storm and it doesn't look like there will be any melting tod=
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Will advise if condx change.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF ops TR</FONT></DIV>
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  pond. MF condx good at present. VU stn(India) audible on 1820 khz at 1500=20=
utc=20
  daylight here.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It could be a good nite for 500 long=20
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John

See your first reception at 2122Z at -28 show up on the WSPR database a few minutes ago. That's 44 
minutes before our sunset. Nice!

Jay  W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR/2 in WSPR mode


> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:35:48 -0500
> <jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> John, Rik and group
>>
>> Confirming that WE2XGR/2 TX is up and WSPRing. Will continue
>> transmissions until at least 0000Z and probably beyond.
>
>
> 1st decode at 21:22 -28dB
>
> Some faint traces visible on prior periods.
>
> Looking good for the rest of the evening,
>
> John
> 



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Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info from the web=
.
g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


  310113517964   E bay too

  On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> w=
rites:
    Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have ha=
d several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to submit a=
 cct I will await replies. This method was used successfully  at Coldiz and=20=
other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
    Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to MF=
/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.
    Build one and have a QSO using this RX
    g3kev




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Jim

Had a look at noon using an Argo QRSS10 screen and could not find a single 
open area wider than 5.02 Hz anywhere in the band. All 5.02 Hz spaced lines 
are plenty bright so they're likely a problem for WSPR. Guess the program 
wasn't designed to co-exist with loran...

Jay


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Subject: LF: Re: 136khz WSPR


> Dear Jay, Vernon, LF Group,
>
> Jay - Thanks for looking -  I can see that could be the problem!
>
> The WSPR signal has a bandwidth of around 6Hz, so the problem is finding 
> that much of a gap between lines. E.g. with the Northeastern USA chain 
> with 9960 GRI, lines should appear every 5.02Hz roughly, although I expect 
> some will probably be stronger than others. Can you look with Argo on a 
> wider setting to see if there are any 6Hz wide spaces, or at least areas 
> where the lines are weaker?
>
> Vernon - I'm afraid "SCP/LN8PHG" probably isn't a genuine signal, but WSPR 
> producing a false decode - this is fairly common when narrow-band QRM is 
> present, although only occurs rarely when just the band noise is present. 
> Because of the way WSPR encodes/decodes, it will usually try to format any 
> "gobbledygook" as a legitimate message with callsigns, reports, etc. You 
> can usually tell by the outlandish callsigns and locators. A pity really, 
> otherwise they would be pretty impressive DX!
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 



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Lubos, Henny, Victor,

   Thank you for your captures and reports!

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Good afternoon, here in EN31do.

Please do not flame me. 

I have the top US Commercial 'Phone license (since 1954 - with radar
endorsement), extra ham radio license, and 40 years in broadcasting mostly
on the technical side. I am marginally conversant at best on digital
technology and modes - but still interested. I am not a CW fan because I
could never develop the coordination necessary; same reason that I could
never be a very good clarinet player. (I van not even make the "Vulcan"
sign!)

A question was asked and this is an insight.

A very long time ago I talked to an old ham that said he had done the razor
blade or equivalent receiving thing. I can no longer find my notes even
though I still have a crystal set diagram from a junior high teacher of
mine, a Mr. Harrison in the 1950 period of time.

The earphone, in his recounting, had come from a pilot that had been shot
down and somehow was not divested of that device before being incarcerated.

A corner of the blade was use against a dissimilar metal or even rust but
not corrosion. The usual filter capacitor was probably not present and in
effect is somewhat optional. My memory does not work for the aerial/antenna
but if the fence wasn't electrified that might be a possibility.

Selectivity was the strongest signal. Is this the "Luxemburg effect?"

There were many prison camps. No doubt there were different schemes for
reception when it could be done. Of course there is no "pat" answer but it
is interesting and not all things interesting are practical at all times.
Maybe this helps.

AND then there is the "stolen power" crystal set scheme which is one section
for the detection and another to provide a flimsy power supple for an FET or
some such.

73 - and happy New Year from Iowa, U.S.A.

Doc.





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Hi Jay and all,

thanks for this information. Your strongest lines are apparently from Nantucket which is dual rated on GRIs 5930 and 9960. I have 
slightly adjusted my WSPR transmit center frequency to 137567.8 Hz, which would just barely squeeze the signal between 565.261 and 
570.281.

It may be helpful to try notch filters on the Loran lines. As I have only weak Loran lines on 137 kHz, I have experimentally set the 
RX somewhere near 100 kHz and tried to apply SpecLab's new multiple autonotch feature from the FFT filter dialog box. Even though 
this was originally intended to dynamically remove 50 Hz hum harmonics for VLF listening, it proved quite effective on Loran lines 
when the FFT size was set high (> 64K) and agressive threshold parameters were chosen. It did require some fiddling, but resulted in 
a very audible rejection of the strong Loran clatter. Alternatively, the older SpecLab "IIR2" DSP-filter is also very effective to 
place narrow notches on a few discrete frequencies. The main point is that the nulls will hardly affect the desired signal as long 
as the notch width is much narrower than the modulation symbol rate (1.47 Hz). A noise blanker in front of the notch filters will 
prevent ringing after a strong impulsive excitation.

The straightforward way toapply this to WSPR would be to have one PC running SpecLab, and use an oldfashioned audio cable to feed 
the DAC audio output to a second PC running the WSPR decoder.

Best wishes
Markus, DF6NM


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> Marcus
>
> Info on 137.570 kHz.
>
> 137565.036 9610 - South Central U.S.
> 137565.261 9960 - Northeast U.S.
> 137565.337 7270 - Newfoundland East Coast
> 137565.392 9940 - Western U.S.
> 137566.890 5980 - Russian American
> 137567.568 9990 - North Pacific
> 137568.922 7980 - Southeast U.S.
> 137569.095 7960 - Gulf of Alaska
> 137569.361 8290 - North Central U.S.
> 137569.677 8970 - Great Lakes
> 137570.239 9610 - South Central U.S.
> 137570.281 9960 - Northeast U.S.
> 137570.423 9940 - Western U.S.
> 137570.952 5990 - Canadian West Coast
> 137571.669 5930 - Canadian East Coast
> 137572.215 7270 - Newfoundland East Coast
> 137572.573 9990 - North Pacific
> 137575.188 7980 - Southeast U.S.
> 137575.251 5980 - Russian American
> 137575.251 8970 - Great Lakes
> 137575.301 9960 - Northeast U.S.
> 137575.377 7960 - Gulf of Alaska
> 137575.392 8290 - North Central U.S.
> 137575.442 9610 - South Central U.S.
> 137575.453 9940 - Western U.S.
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
> 



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Hello LF!
UFB propagation on 600m band this morning - see the picture.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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Just dropped 3dB now - as there are more stns on and monitoring.   next drop
will be in 20 - 30 minutes

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


2009/1/30 Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>

>  Dear Andy,
>
> if you want to change power it might make sense to go up and down on a
> shorter timescale, as otherwise it may be difficult to tell the effects from
> a generally increasing noise background. I'm seeing your signal weakly on
> spectrogram with a little doiwnward drift, but no decodes yet, so not much
> hope for QRPP this way.
>
> I have now set up WSPR for LF/MF half duplex, transmitting 25% on 137.568,
> and listening around 503.900 inbetween.
>
> Kind regards,
> Markus, DF6NM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2009 6:42 PM
> *Subject:* LF: WSPR - JNT
>
> I'm WSPRing again.  Tere was a request earlier this week for some more QRP
> operation, so I've put a switched attenuator into circuit ready.  Currrently
> running at the original 80 Watts figure, but throughout the evening, I will
> progressively reduce power in steps - unless there are any requests for
> specific reductions.   Fully linear system and I have 1dB resolution
> available.
>
> Suggestions pse for power levels.
>
> Also do have the margin to increase power by about 2 - 3dB as well,
>
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>

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<div>Just dropped 3dB now - as there are more stns on and monitoring.&nbsp;&=
nbsp; next drop will be in 20 - 30 minutes</div>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com">=
www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/1/30 Markus Vester <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=20=
href=3D"mailto:markusvester@aol.com">markusvester@aol.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Dear&nbsp;Andy,</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">if you&nbsp;want to change power it mig=
ht make sense&nbsp;to&nbsp;go up and down on a shorter timescale, as otherwi=
se it&nbsp;may be difficult to tell the effects from a generally increasing=20=
noise background. I&#39;m seeing your signal weakly on spectrogram with a li=
ttle doiwnward drift, but no decodes yet, so not much hope for QRPP this way=
. </font></div>

<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">I have&nbsp;now set up WSPR&nbsp;for LF=
/MF half duplex,&nbsp;transmitting 25% on 137.568, and listening around 503.=
900 inbetween.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Kind regards,</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Markus, DF6NM</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<blockquote dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARG=
IN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><b>From:</b> <a title=
=3D"andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com" href=3D"mailto:andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">Andy Talbot</a> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org" href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D"_blank">rsgb=
_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 30, 2009 6:42 P=
M</div>
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> LF: WSPR - JNT</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I&#39;m WSPRing again.&nbsp; Tere was&nbsp;a request earlier this week=20=
for some more QRP operation, so I&#39;ve put a switched attenuator into circ=
uit ready.&nbsp; Currrently running at the original 80 Watts figure, but thr=
oughout the evening, I will progressively reduce&nbsp;power in steps - unles=
s there are any requests for specific reductions.&nbsp;&nbsp; Fully linear s=
ystem and I have 1dB resolution available.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Suggestions pse for power levels.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Also do have the margin to increase power by about 2 - 3dB as well, </d=
iv>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com/"=
 target=3D"_blank">www.g4jnt.com</a><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquot=
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Hi Andrey,

good job, that snow dusting - you're visible on the grabber in BY now!

Laurence,  you see that leaving the grabber running is being very much appreciated... have a good flight!

73 and good luck too all
 Markus, DF6NM


PS. oh, the baby bottle there, on the end of the pole in the sky? That's for feeding the angels, of course. Don't worry it won't 
catch fire, unless a dragon is trying to take a sip...

----- Original Message ----- 
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All is clear, Nicolas. In Moscow too it is snowing.
My beacon works on 137776,4 and in pauses between "A" I clean off snow from antenna insulators:)

 73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV



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Hi LF,

thanks to all who sent reports on last night's attempts to appear on Laurences grabber. The partial discharge problems seem to have 
gone for now (knock on wood...). After a cold night, the antenna impedance was as low as 15.5 ohms, and my EMRP would have been 
around 0.3 W with 3.3 A current.

Kind regards

Markus,
DF6NM in JN59NK 



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alberto di Bene" <dibene@usa.net>
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> mal hamilton wrote:
>> Alberto if you understood the dih-dah code you would think different, it 
>> is
>> more skilled than an appliance black box, press button A or B etc.
>
> I understand dih-dah-dih. I used it for many years when I was young.
> I am licensed since 1966. But then I grew up and moved on.
Are you still growing and what is next?

>
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Is there any tfc list and exchange of traffic on the freq. I have hrd some 
ships calling although not recently on 500 khz, mostly far east ships.
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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Coastal stations are still running, well XSG on A1A is anyway on 522.5 
Hz  - Im not sure of the power Shanghai radio puts out but from field 
measurements its probably in the 1Kw range.

Laurence  - stuck in Singapore....








From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
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Subject: LF: Re: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR




That is a more sensible power for MF. Coastal stns were running in excess of 
this power and ships between 1 - 2 kw so whats new.
Radio amateurs are at a disatvantage at present but could handle it, but 
appliance operators NO.
G3KEV



----- Original Message ----- 
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NEWS FLASH
The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF
CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts.
Hope some of you guys get your T2 license to run the station after
construction. As soon as the snow melts and temperatures rise a bit the
large vertical will be errected. My QTH can only be temporary so we
must find a permanent home ASAP.

73, Steve

WA1HUD

President NEHRS, Inc.
http://nehrs.net/default.aspx

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:15 AM
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On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation as 
suggested by some. Two procedures are required with the mode. First it has 
to be detected then analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. 
Morse sent in the QRS mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot 
only requires one procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a good 
indication of propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.

I have pointed out recently that I have observed all of the traces from 
those transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been directly keyed in QRS mode 
an ID or intellegence would have been conveyed, whereas only part of the 
time was the signals decoded in wspr. For those viewing the print format 
only and getting no copy would never know whether the signall was being 
received or if it was faulty sampling and decoding.

Cut out the second procedure of decoding, avoid ambiguity and use the slow 
keyed carried method using morse code or murray code. A waterfall display 
and the EYE is a very sensitive detector,
For those experimenting with data modes have fun but todate in the amateur 
radio LF/MF context nothing yet has surpassed the use of slow morse keyed at 
a speed to suit one's needs ie propagation studies or communication between 
two stations.
mal/g3kev







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Hello Andrey,
tu
Henny pa3cpm
73s
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> Hello Henny,
>
>>Hi All,
>>capture 137khz DD7?
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> 73
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Hi Gus,

I found these:

http://www.w5bbr.com/soundbd.html

and http://www.g4ilo.com/wspr.html

de Dave QSW 4 U


  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Hi all,

  any who know abt RS232 and WSPR!=20


  can WSPR program accept "DTR" as interface power from RS 232 port ?


  73 de Gus SM6BHZ

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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Hi Gus,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>I found these:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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>http://www.g4ilo.com/wspr.html</A></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>de Dave QSW 4 U</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: WSPR</DIV>
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  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4>Hi all,</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4></FONT></EM></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4>any who know abt RS232 and WSPR!=20
  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4></FONT></EM></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4></FONT></EM></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4>73 de Gus=20
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Dear Andy, John, LF Group,

Yes, Chas, G3DXZ suddenly appeared on the WSPR frequency in CW, so we QSYed 
a bit for a contact - I'll probably recover, given time!

The WSPR beacon is back on again now.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Currently listening to your QSO on CW with Chas. This is the first time
> I think I've heard you on "real man's CW". Even in wideband mode, so I
> can continue the WPSR monitoring, you're a good 539 in the old money.
>



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Andy, Jim et al,

Just retuned to 502kHz to see if I can copy any WSPR from you Andy,

Also the grabber at

http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg

now will show the band 502.3 - 504

Just seen some PSK at 503kHz (17:12) although didn't get a chance to
try decoding it.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV
Shetland


On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:01:01 -0000
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> Dear Andy,
> 
> Copied your WSPR test just now. Reported frequency was 0.503500, so
> no problem there.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU 
> 
> 


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Lubos, Henny, Jean-Pierre,

Thanks for the reports, captures and grabber!

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73 Warren K2ORS
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2009/1/16 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:
> Hi All,
>
> capture XGJ
> Henny pa3cpm
> 73s
> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
> verzonden:
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>


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Maplin have been selling these but their paper catalogue does not seem to gi=
ve detailed characteristics and doing an online search of their catalogue is=
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it takes a minute or more to repaint the page. =20

I tried e-mailing them but have not had a reply. =20

aL is easy to estimate with a few turns and an inductance meter, but I would=
 like to know more about these materials.  Can anyone help, please?=20

John F5VLF
*we are promised ADSL in a few weeks but I have been here before =20




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Well - my "clear of Loran lines" window seems to be an enigma here in China=20=
as I seem to have a few in my view but they may be artifacts or possibly non=
 registered off hook GRI's from a Russian chain or two that Markus has spott=
ed.=20
=20
Anyway WPF is very clear in the window - thanks. My internet connection is d=
own at home for some reason - I hope I get plugged back in later - so the Ar=
gos wont be loading at the moment.
=20
No decodes from WSPR at the time I left for work.
=20
With thanks - Laurence BY3A/KL1X
http://kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg



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u, 15 Jan 2009 00:17:44 -0900Subject: LF: Loran clear regions worldwide

Im going to set the SDR IQ on 136kHz tonight in case some activity, 136KHz d=
ial on WSPR  - however if Eu wants to fire up other visual modes can I respe=
ctively suggest you do it in the region:- 136.307154 to 136.308999 kHz This=20=
is a 1.84Hz +-<huge> area (with a 0.1hz guard) that appears to be clear glob=
ally of Loran lines. 136318 and 136319 are a little busy! At least then any=20=
QRSS stable signal would be easy(ier) to detect - I do however commend DFCW,=
 sloping or someform of other carrier deviated signal that makes ident easie=
r for my old eyes. See http://kl1x.com/wwloran.gif Sunsetting here -10C Laur=
ence BY3A/KL1X Tanggu China



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Well - my "clear of Loran lines" window seems to be an enigma here in China=20=
as I seem to have a few in my view but they may be artifacts or possibly non=
 registered off hook GRI's from a Russian chain or two that Markus has spott=
ed. <BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Anyway WPF is very clear in the window - thanks. My internet connection is d=
own at home for some reason - I hope I get plugged back in later - so the Ar=
gos wont be loading at the moment.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
No decodes from WSPR at the time I left for work.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
With thanks - Laurence BY3A/KL1X<BR>
<A href=3D"http://kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg">http://kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg</A><BR><=
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respectively suggest you do it in the region:-<BR>&nbsp;<BR>136.307154 to 13=
6.308999&nbsp;kHz<BR>&nbsp;<BR>This is a 1.84Hz +-&lt;huge&gt; area (with a=20=
0.1hz guard) that appears to be clear globally of Loran lines. 136318 and 13=
6319 are a little busy! At least then any QRSS stable signal would be easy(i=
er) to detect - I do however commend DFCW, sloping or someform of other carr=
ier deviated signal that makes ident easier for my old eyes.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Se=
e <A href=3D"http://kl1x.com/wwloran.gif">http://kl1x.com/wwloran.gif</A><BR=
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capture NM AGC YO
henny pa3cpm
best 73s

Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
nm agc yo 02-01.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture NM AGC YO</FONT></DIV>
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Mike Dennison wrote:
> GM4SLV wrote:
>  
>> There was much discussion on the WSPR forum on the merits or otherwise
>> of this approach, in the HF sphere at least.
>>
>> It might be easier if we adopted the same approach as is recommended
>> for HF use - to report the actual TX power, not ERP.
> 
> This does not follow. On the HF bands the ERP is close to RF power, 
> especially on the bands where WSPR is popular, and can therefore be 
> used a a rough approximation. That is most certainly not the case on 
> LF/MF. On 136kHz I have to run 800W RF to get 300mW ERP. Another 
> station might need just 100W RF to achieve the same power. Although 
> the ratio is smaller on 500kHz, there is still a huge discrepancy 
> between the RF needed to achieve the same ERP for different stations. 
> RF power is therefore meaningless.
> 
> Mike, G3XDV
> ==========
> 

Hello Mike, LF

This is precisely why I thought it might be instructive to report TX power!

In the above example, of an inefficient antenna and 800W vs an efficient
antenna and 100W for the same ERP, the WSPR reports will make this
plainly obvious, as similar S/N should be reported for both systems, due
to similar ERP, but the different efficiencies will be obvious from the
reported TX power - one reporting 60dBm and the other 50dBm, rather than
both reporting 23dBm ERP(using the closest available power options in WSPR)

However, I must admit I'm swayed by the general argument to stick to ERP
in WSPR on LF/MF, for the reasons given by Jim et al. and I'm
withdrawing my initial argument for using TX power.

Cheers,

John


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Gary
A shining example of what can be achieved especially by a disabled person .=20=
It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad light!!!!!! on MF/LF some class A o=
perators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I assume they are able bodied. It us=
ed to be that a class A amateur had an advantage over the general public by=20=
being able to converse in morse code, just like another language except it w=
as totally international.
Even a worse senario, a lot of persons today cannot write, the norm is to us=
e a keypad and send text messages using some abbreviated gibbirish, grammar=20=
is not required, sort of pigeon english.=20
G3KEV

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 4:21 PM
  Subject: LF: RE: Morse code lifeline


  Hi All,

  =20

  Here is a video on the above subject at this link :-

  =20

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm

  =20

  Cheers,

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT.

  =20


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  Sent: 22 January 2009 19:21
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  Subject: LF: Morse code lifeline

  =20

  Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009

  =20

  The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 2009

  =20

  Quote-" A Pensioner who is almost completely paralysed has learned to comm=
unicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.

  Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his 79=20=
year-old mother to communicate using her knowledge of the code."

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  73  Mike GW4HXO

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gary</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A shining example of what can be achieved=20
especially by a disabled person . It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad=20
light!!!!!! on MF/LF some class A operators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I=
=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Even a worse senario, a lot of persons toda=
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Hello Nicolas, Henny, Lubos, Marco, LF,
Thanks for the reports!

Nicolas, you was yesterday very well visible on grabber DL2HRE.
Can will try to work as a beacon all night long?
It is very interesting to me to receive your signal.
I think, and not only me.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


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ETA HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"><T=
ITLE>Message</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>Thanks for the report Dave.<br><br>At the m=
oment (10:38 UTC) I can see a 3rd stn transmitting WSPR on 137.517 (-ish), b=
ut still masked by a carrier here,<br>so only visible but not decodable.<br>=
If the sender is reading this, I suggest to QSY 20 Hz up, or 30 Hz down.<br>=
<br><br><img src=3D"file:///C:/DOKUME%7E1/DL4YHF/LOKALE%7E1/Temp/moz-screens=
hot.jpg" alt=3D""><br><br>73,<br>&nbsp; Wolf .<br><br>
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<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning DF0WD &amp; M0BMU<br=
><b>Gesendet:</b> Sa 17 Jan 2009 10:51:41 CET<br><b>Von:</b> "Dave G3WCB"&lt=
;ganymede444@btopenworld.com&gt;<br><br><title>Message</title>

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<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"039234609-17012009">Jim,=
 Wolf, LF,=20
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<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"039234609-17012009"></sp=
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<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"039234609-17012009">Rece=
ption as=20
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<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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<br>093600&nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; 10&nbsp; 1.1&nbsp;&nbsp; -10&nbsp; 0&nbsp; M0=
BMU=20
IO91 27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>094200&nbsp;&nbs=
p; 3=20
-21&nbsp; 1.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0&nbsp; DF0WD JO42=20
27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>094400&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
7&nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; 1.2&nbsp;&nbsp; -10&nbsp; 0&nbsp; M0BMU IO91=20
27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"039234609-17012009">73,=20=
Dave G3WCB=20
IO91RM</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<blockquote>
  <div class=3D"OutlookMessageHeader" dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><font face=
=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b>=20
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Scholz, Mar=
co=20
  <br><b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2009 09:32<br><b>To:</b>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br><b>Subject:</b> LF: RE: 137 kHz WSPR tests=
=20
  saturday morning<br><br></font></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font c=
olor=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Good morning,</font></span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font c=
olor=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">good reception of DF0WD </font></=
span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"></span>=
<span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" si=
ze=3D"2">092600&nbsp; 18=20
  -11&nbsp; 0.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 11&nbsp; 0&nbsp; DF0WD JO42=20
  27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>092800&nbsp;&nbsp;=20=
9=20
  -20&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0&nbsp; M0BMU IO91 27=20
  </font></span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font c=
olor=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"057413009-17012009"><font c=
olor=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">vy73</font></span></div>
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olor=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Marco</font></span></div>
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olor=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">DD7PC in </font></span><span clas=
s=3D"057413009-17012009"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">J=
N49ax</font></span></div><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><=
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us">
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  <font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b>From:</b> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <b>On Behalf Of=20
  </b>dl4yhf@freenet.de<br><b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2009 10:24<br><b>To:</b>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br><b>Subject:</b> LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests=20
  saturday morning<br></font><br></div>
  <div></div>Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,<br><br>Many thanks for th=
e=20
  WSPR activity.<br><br>To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving=20
  sites.<br>The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:<br><br>0900&nb=
sp;=20
  -7&nbsp; 0.5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137500&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 27<br><br>(automatic=20
  uploading of spots to=20
  http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=3Dhtml&amp;band=3D2190&amp;limit=
=3D50&amp;findcall=3D&amp;findreporter=3D&amp;sort=3Ddate<br><br>was=20
  off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.<br><br>At the same period=
,=20
  the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB ... 13 dB less SNR than=20=
here=20
  at the club station, using the 200 meter wire antenna. What a difference=20
  !<br>I don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is fr=
ozen=20
  still), but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems to be in=
 the=20
  same region as M0BMU.<br><br>Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short whil=
e=20
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Thanks for the report Dave.

At the moment (10:38 UTC) I can see a 3rd stn transmitting WSPR on 137.517 (=
-ish), but still masked by a carrier here,
so only visible but not decodable.
If the sender is reading this, I suggest to QSY 20 Hz up, or 30 Hz down.




73,
  Wolf .

----- original Nachricht --------

Betreff: LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning DF0WD & M0BMU
Gesendet: Sa 17 Jan 2009 10:51:41 CET
Von: "Dave G3WCB"<ganymede444@btopenworld.com>

Jim, Wolf, LF,  Reception as follows:-                      =20
093600   7  10  1.1   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 27        =20
094200   3 -21  1.5     1  0  DF0WD JO42 27        =20
094400   7   8  1.2   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 27        =20
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org]On Behalf Of Scholz, Marco=20
Sent: 17 January 2009 09:32
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning

Good morning,good reception of DF0WD 092600  18 -11  0.9    11  0  DF0WD JO4=
2 27        =20
092800   9 -20  0.6     0  0  M0BMU IO91 27  vy73MarcoDD7PC in JN49ax
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org] On Behalf Of dl4yhf@freenet.de
Sent: 17 January 2009 10:24
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning

Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,

Many thanks for the WSPR activity.

To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving sites.
The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:

0900  -7  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27

(automatic uploading of spots to http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=
=3Dhtml&band=3D2190&limit=3D50&findcall=3D&findreporter=3D&sort=3Ddate

was off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.

At the same period, the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB ... 13=
 dB less SNR than here at the club station, using the 200 meter wire antenna=
. What a difference !
I don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is frozen st=
ill), but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems to be in the=
 same region as M0BMU.

Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short while now.

73,
  Wolf  DL4YHF ( @ df0wd,  JO42FD) .

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Dear Uwe,

Am in the process of modifying my 136kHz TX to take drive from my 
transverter - should be ready in the next few days.

BTW, have been getting one decode every 4 minutes consistently here. I have 
been trying to upload them to the WSPRnet database, but I think they have to 
be in the  Callsign/Locator/power beacon format for this to work.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Still copying DF6NM, but only a faint trace of M0BMU.

204200   2 -28  1.1    13  0
204400   7 -19  1.3    84  0  DF6NM JN59 23
204800   2 -28  1.0    13  0
205200   3 -25  1.5    84  0
210000   1 -26  1.7    78  0
210800   4 -20  1.6    78  0  DF6NM JN59 17
211400   4 -19  1.7    78  0
212200   4 -23  1.9    78  0
212600   7 -21  1.3    78  0  DF6NM JN59 17
213000   5 -20  1.7    78  0  DF6NM JN59 17
213400   2 -24  1.3    78  0
213800   3 -23  1.9    78  0
214400   3 -23  1.9    78  0  DF6NM JN59 17
215200   6 -19  1.6    78  0
220000   3 -26  1.6    78  0
220800   2 -18  1.6    79 -1
221200   3 -20  1.8    78  0  DF6NM JN59 17

I am tuned to 137.505, and I see DF6NM at approx. 78Hz higher.
I'm watching approx. +/- 180 Hz respect to 137.500 .

Jim, I will leave the RX on all the night.

73 - Marco IK1ODO



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Tnx Dave for xband qso G3KEV 502.57, AA1A 7033 KHZ 559 on ur bug key hi=20
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Nice activity on 136kHz this morning - possibly fuelled by the 
expected OE activity or maybe the CQ WW 160 contest this weekend.

Worked DK4U (549) on CW. Also heard CW from G3YXM (599) and G3KEV 
(589). QRSS3 from M0BMU and F4DTL, both 'O'.

Did not hear anything from the OE stations.

Topped off the morning by my first WSPR decode - from M0BMU who is 
local to me - on 500kHz with my ant still tuned to 136.

Mike, G3XDV
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John and LF,

what=C2=A0the ICM products=C2=A0look like in a spectrogram of course=C2=A0de=
pends on the=C2=A0FFT resolution. The narrow events=C2=A0were created by=C2=
=A0test tone modulation=C2=A0on the broadcast transmitter (probably 225 kHz=20=
but I didn't listen).=C2=A0Such tones are=C2=A0often transmitted some time=
=C2=A0after local midnight for a couple of minutes. The sub-Hz line=C2=A0lin=
ewidth=C2=A0was probably=C2=A0defined=C2=A0by a slight=C2=A0audio frequency=20=
drift of the tones,=C2=A0in addition to=C2=A0the=C2=A0 0.1 Hz broadening of=20=
the=C2=A0DCF /HGA carriers themselves due to the FSK telegrams.

The more typical musical tones=C2=A0create strips and patches that are sever=
al Hz to tens of Hz wide. So they have a somewhat similar appearance, but on=
 a wider frequency and faster time scale.=C2=A0You can often see them on the=
 fullband panel of my colour DF grabber - red above HGA22 (135.43 kHz) and p=
urple below DCF39 (138.83).=C2=A0However with=C2=A0millihertz resolution (e.=
g. QRSS-60), they mostly=C2=A0appear as temporarily increased noise.

73, Markus

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20
Von: John RABSON <john.rabson@wanadoo.fr>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Verschickt: Do., 15. Jan. 2009, 10:30
Thema: Re: LF: Re: Luxembourg



Markus, Lubos,
Are these light-coloured patches a typical signature of this effect?  I get=20=
quite a lot of them here.
John F5VLF
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On 15/01/2009 at 03:32 Lubos OK2BVG wrote:
>Hello Markus, LF!
Many thanks for your info about Russian Loran (GRI 8000), it=C2=B4s this!

Here is my picture of Luxembourg effec
t in JN88KS. Very strong signal.

Lubos, OK2BVG

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> Subject: LF: Re: Luxembourg
>=20
> .. this is the cross modulation signature on the RN3AGC grabber. The
pattern was also visible on F1AFJ's screen. - 73, Markus
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:52 AM
> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz, Luxembourg
>=20
>=20
>  The band is fairly quiet tonight. Twice for a few minutes around 23:23
and 23:33, there were strong Luxembourg sideband carriers
>  simultaneously on both HGA and DCF. They were apparently caused by a
1054 Hz sinusoidal modulation test tone (sidebands at 136.484,
>  75 uV/m and 137.776 kHz, 13 uV/m). There was also a -20 dB second
harmonic component (137.538, 6 uV/m and 136.722, 1.5 uV/m), due=20
> to
>  the square-law charasteristic of the heating effect.
>=20
>  Kind regards,
> Marksu, DF6NM
> =20

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<WBR>John and LF,<br>
<br>
what&nbsp;the ICM products&nbsp;look like in a spectrogram of course&nbsp;de=
pends on the&nbsp;FFT resolution. The narrow events&nbsp;were created by&nbs=
p;test tone modulation&nbsp;on the broadcast transmitter (probably 225 kHz b=
ut I didn't listen).&nbsp;Such tones are&nbsp;often transmitted some time&nb=
sp;after local midnight for a couple of minutes. The sub-Hz line&nbsp;linewi=
dth&nbsp;was probably&nbsp;defined&nbsp;by a slight&nbsp;audio frequency dri=
ft of the tones,&nbsp;in addition to&nbsp;the&nbsp; 0.1 Hz broadening of the=
&nbsp;DCF /HGA carriers themselves due to the FSK telegrams.<br>
<br>
The more typical musical tones&nbsp;create strips and patches that are sever=
al Hz to tens of Hz wide. So they have a somewhat similar appearance, but on=
 a wider frequency and faster time scale.&nbsp;You can often see them on the=
 fullband panel of my colour DF grabber - red above HGA22 (135.43 kHz) and p=
urple below DCF39 (138.83).&nbsp;However with&nbsp;millihertz resolution (e.=
g. QRSS-60), they mostly&nbsp;appear as temporarily increased noise.<br>
<br>
73, Markus<br>
<br>
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- <br>
Von: John RABSON &lt;john.rabson@wanadoo.fr&gt;<br>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
Verschickt: Do., 15. Jan. 2009, 10:30<br>
Thema: Re: LF: Re: Luxembourg<br>
<br>


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ubos,

Are these light-coloured patches a typical signature of this effect?  I get=20=
quite=3D2
0a lot of them here.

John F5VLF

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On 15/01/2009 at 03:32 Lubos OK2BVG wrote:

&gt;Hello Markus, LF!
&gt;Many thanks for your info about Russian Loran (GRI 8000), it=C2=B4s this=
!
&gt;
&gt;Here is my picture of Luxembourg effect in JN88KS. Very strong signal.
&gt;
&gt;Lubos, OK2BVG
&gt;
&gt;**************************************************
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&gt;&gt; From: <A href=3D"mailto:markusvester@aol.com">markusvester@aol.com<=
/A>
&gt;&gt; To: <A href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@b=
lacksheep.org</A>
&gt;&gt; Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:22:41 +0100
&gt;&gt; Subject: LF: Re: Luxembourg
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt; .. this is the cross modulation signature on the RN3AGC grabber. Th=
e
&gt;pattern was also visible on F1AFJ's screen. - 73, Markus
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt; ----- Original Message -----=20
&gt;&gt; From: "Markus Vester" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:markusvester@aol.com">m=
arkusvester@aol.com</A>&gt;
&gt;&gt; To: &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_gro=
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&gt;&gt; Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:52 AM
&gt;&gt; Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz, Luxembourg
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;  The band is fairly quiet tonight. Twice for a few minutes around 2=
3:23
&gt;and 23:33, there were strong Luxembourg sideband carriers
&gt;&gt;  simultaneously on both HGA and DCF. They were apparently caused by=
 a
&gt;1054 Hz sinusoidal modulation test tone (sidebands at 136.484,
&gt;&gt;  75 uV/m and 137.776 kHz, 13 uV/m). There was also a -20=3D2
0dB second
&gt;harmonic component (137.538, 6 uV/m and 136.722, 1.5 uV/m), due=20
&gt;&gt; to
&gt;&gt;  the square-law charasteristic of the heating effect.
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;  Kind regards,
&gt;&gt; Marksu, DF6NM
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Hello Warren, LF!
Nice signal some minutes before sunrise.

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Stewart
This is a simple exercise and NO ONE knows how to do it, plenty of comments 
and deviations.
An analogy

1. Some HI TECH RAF pilots asked to fly a WW2 SPITFIRE and found it 
difficult and performed badly, needed training and tuition.

2. Hi Performance students A + in their subjects could not pass a 1960 GCE 
paper in maths and english.

These were recent UK TV productions.

RF engineers and improvisers  are scarce it would appear both old and new. 
Digital and DC are abundant.

Take away the Internet source, Maplins and Farnell and the electronics world 
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> mal hamilton wrote:
>> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have
>> had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to
>> submit a cct I will await replies.
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> I think that we all give up - just tell us how to do it.
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Dave
Its a pity you cannot TX for a qso. Since u can hear me and I can hear u we=20=
could certainly have a norm CW qso.
Jay seems to be the only one Transmitting in QSO mode at present.
The late NC1K used to hear me frequently both on 137 and 500 khz good enough=
 signal for a QSO on each band.=20
Tnx agn and look out for me tonite agn starting at around 2200 utc. If u wor=
k HF we could have a xband qso on 7033 khz.=20
502.57 khz this end.
73 de mal/g3kev IO94SH

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  From: dave.riley3=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:46 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Gudday Mal,

  Yes, I am @ FN42pb near Brant Rock, Mass. on the East coast, south of Bost=
on where Fessenden did his magic a hundred years ago, and have copied you se=
veral times before as well as Jim, M0BMU...

  Things in my favor for reception are being close to the perfect conduction=
 of the ocean, and use of magnetic loops for RX.

  Things that are out of favor are constant QRN from power lines and weather=
, so I use phased loops and hope that the best noise null is not where the s=
ignal is coming from.

  Soon I will have an e-probe WAY out in the woods to phase against the larg=
er loop and that maybe will buy me a few more DBs out of the noise.

  Anyway, you were audible regardless of our snow storm conditions...

  XSH stations cannot work outside of the country, but last night would have=
 been like an old fashioned EME QSO on the first pass...

  O O O O  K K

  TNX Mal and best of sigs from the Colonies...

  Dave - AA1A - WD2XSH/17  ( the -10db guy )

  www.radiocom.net/Fessenden=20


    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:52 AM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Hi agn Dave
    After research I see u are AA1A in Main. You had fb copy on my signal, s=
urprisingly Jay saw nothing, although I had copied him OOO
    Can you TX for a qso if so let me know when.
    I often copy your signal on 500 khz audible and strong at times.WD2XSH/1=
7. We could possibly have a norm CW QSO.
    Tnx agn for the photos and report=20
    de mal/g3kev/IO94SH

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: dave.riley3=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09 AM
      Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


      Mal,

      Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

      http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


      73s from Dave




      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: mal hamilton=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
      Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


      Jay
      Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and=
 agn 2214 utc
      It looks ok so far.
      mal
      g3kev


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Its a pity you cannot TX for a qso. Since u=
 can=20
hear me and I can hear u we could certainly have a norm CW qso.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay seems to be the only one Transmitting i=
n QSO=20
mode at present.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The late NC1K used to hear me frequently bo=
th on=20
137 and 500 khz good enough signal for a QSO on each band. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tnx agn and look out for me tonite agn star=
ting at=20
around 2200 utc. If u work HF we could have a xband qso on 7033 khz.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>502.57 khz this end.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de mal/g3kev IO94SH</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Ddave.riley3@verizon.net     href=3D"mailto:dave.riley3@verizon.=
net">dave.riley3</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:4=
6=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re=
: Re:=20
  MF CONDX</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Gudday Mal,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Yes, I am @ FN42pb near Brant Rock, Mass. on t=
he=20
  East coast, south of Boston where Fessenden did his magic a hundred years=20=
ago,=20
  and have copied you several times before as well as Jim,=20
  M0BMU...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Things in my favor for reception are being clo=
se to=20
  the perfect conduction of the ocean, and use of magnetic loops for=20
  RX.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Things that are&nbsp;out of favor are constant=
 QRN=20
  from power lines and weather, so I use phased loops and hope that the best=
=20
  noise null is not where the signal is coming from.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Soon I will have an e-probe WAY out in the woo=
ds to=20
  phase against the larger loop and that maybe will buy me a few more DBs ou=
t of=20
  the noise.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Anyway, you were audible regardless of our sno=
w=20
  storm conditions...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>XSH stations cannot work outside of the countr=
y, but=20
  last night would have been like an old fashioned EME QSO on the first=20
  pass...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>O O O O&nbsp; K K</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>TNX Mal and best of sigs from the=20
  Colonies...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Dave - AA1A -=20
  WD2XSH/17</FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;<STRONG><FONT size=3D2> ( the -10db guy=20
  )</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2><A     href=3D"http://www.radiocom.net/Fessend=
en">www.radiocom.net/Fessenden</A>=20
  </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr     style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;=20=
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV       style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: b=
lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">m=
al=20
    hamilton</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:=
52=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:=20=
Re: MF=20
    CONDX</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi agn Dave</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After research I see u are AA1A in Main=
. You=20
    had fb&nbsp;copy on my signal, surprisingly Jay saw nothing, although I=20=
had=20
    copied him OOO</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can you TX for a qso if so let me know=20
    when.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I often copy your signal on 500 khz aud=
ible and=20
    strong at times.WD2XSH/17. We could possibly have a norm CW=20
QSO.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tnx agn for the photos and report </FON=
T></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>de mal/g3kev/IO94SH</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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r: black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Ddave.riley3@verizon.net         href=3D"mailto:dave.riley3@=
verizon.net">dave.riley3</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A         title=3Drsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org         href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rs=
gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009=20=
1:09=20
      AM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re=
: MF=20
      CONDX</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp=
; <A         href=3D"http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg">http://www.radiocom.n=
et/KEV9.jpg</A><BR></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D3><A         href=3D"http://www.radio=
com.net/KEV9.jpg">http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg</A></FONT></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D3></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>73s from Dave</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><BR><BR><STRONG>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: mal hamilt=
on=20
      <BR>To: <A         href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_l=
f_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
      <BR>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM<BR>Subject: LF: Re: Re: R=
e:=20
      Re: MF CONDX<BR><BR><BR>Jay<BR>Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qs=
b,=20
      first seen 2207 then gap and agn 2214 utc<BR>It looks ok so=20
      far.<BR>mal<BR>g3kev</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
      <P>
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OK Jim,

I will keep watching.

Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
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Dear LF group,

Also using WSPR 1.01 beacon software here - 100% decodes so far...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Same problem here Uwe

F4DTL JN18FP

Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 09/01/2009 22:19:06 Paris, Madrid,
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Uwe,

Which WSPR version are you using Beacon or QSO?
I only  have Beacon version at the moment & no decodes here.

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Hello Warren, LF!
Good propagation on 137kHz continue. Nice signal from XGJ and XKO as well. T=
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73, Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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Lee, LF,

 

I have checked and :-

 

IO83qp to IP90gg = 460 miles

IO93gx to IP90gg = 434 miles

 

Have you got your locator correct?

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hudson
Sent: 30 January 2009 21:51
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: WSPR Distance

 

Hi LF Group,

 

Just been looking at the Database of tonights activity, and I'm reported at
700miles from GM4SLV

Yet G4WGT is only 460miles.

 

Has the database put the km in my miles column?

A known bug?

 

73,

Lee M0LMH.

 

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I have
checked and :-<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>IO83qp
to IP90gg =3D 460 miles<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>IO93gx
to IP90gg =3D 434 miles<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Have you
got your locator correct?<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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211;
G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
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[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Lee Hudson<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 30 January 2009 21:51<b=
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"o=
n">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: WSPR Distance</s=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Just been looking at the Database of tonights activ=
ity, and
I'm reported at 700miles from GM4SLV</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Yet G4WGT is only 460miles.</span></font><o:p></o:p=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Has the database put the km in my miles column?</sp=
an></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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Hi all,


Here's the latest harvest:

1932 -16  1.1   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1936 -14  1.1   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1942 -18  1.1   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1944 -29  1.0   0.503650  0 G4WGT IO83 3
1948 -21  1.1   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1950 -27  1.2   0.503649  0 G4WGT IO83 3
1952 -18  1.1   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2036 -25 -0.3   0.503525 -3 RA4JHI (BadMsg)
2040 -28  1.1   0.503568 -1 G4JNT IO90 23
2046 -23  1.1   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2052 -22  1.1   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2106 -26  1.0   0.503569  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2114 -32  1.1   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2114 -14  1.1   0.503598  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2118 -12  0.9   0.503598  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2122 -10  0.8   0.503598  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2128 -27  0.6   0.503568  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2130 -11  1.4   0.503598  0 M0BMU IO91 30



--=20
vy 73 + gd DX,

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Hello Jim , LF

James Moritz a =E9crit :
> Dear LF Group,
>
> The WSPR beacon is now QRT - I'm giving the electricity meter a rest :-)
Your beacon is not stopped, I receive his signal permanently

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yes - 137.570 kHz, 33% transmit. Regards - Markus

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 Markus ,
 
137-570  is the right carrier frequency ??
 
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Hi Alan!

Oh yes thank you,  plenty to read :)
good night!
Dennis
DL6NVC


BTW: In Berlin, as an exclaim of highest delight,  it's common to say:
"Da kann man nicht meckern" which means more or less
"There is nothing to complain/moan about" or  "can't argue with that"





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> Datum: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:35:34 -0000
> Von: "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Betreff: LF: Re: Luxemburg effect?

> Hi Dennis it isnt called that by the professionals. Radio Luxembourg was
> one
> of the strongest pre WWII BC stations in Europe and it gave problems in
> the
> UK with stations further into Europe.
> 
> Try searching for Ionospheric Cross-Modulation or maybe ionosphereic
> intermodulation. I had long discussions with Vaino OH2LX about this many
> years ago before he became ill. One of the best researches was done by an
> engineer at the BBC but I dont recall his name. I maybe still have the
> references.  From what I remember the effect is roughly along a line with
> the "victim" furthest from the receiver but very approximately the other
> side of the "heater" (as one might expect)
> 
> Alan G3NYK
> 
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Long Haul back to Europe last night was my "average" (so much as Ive gained=20=
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rally been quite good, but the signal levels are definitely down by > severa=
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Long Haul back to Europe last night was my "average" (so much as Ive gained=20=
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Laurence BY3A/KL1X Tang gu China <BR><BR>&gt; From: james.moritz@btopenworld=
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Good signal "RU" "YO" "WPF" on the BY3A-KL1X Grabber

Super, your grabber  Laurence !

73 Jean-Pierre f1afj



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itl end up in somebodies HiFi Amp

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Hello Jay, LF,

I'll do the same as Chris with my RX setup. Should be intersting to
look at the results in the morning.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:13:38 +0000
Chris McCarthy <chris.decibel@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Jay,
> 
> I will retune my RX from 502.4 to 507.0 dial freq at about 2200Z.
> Spots will be uploaded and appear at:
> http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=&sort=date
> It  be on all night.
> 
> Chris, G3XVL
> 
> 
> 2009/1/27 <jrusgrove@comcast.net>
> 
> > WE2XGR/2 will be transmitting in WSPR mode tonight starting 2200Z
> > on a dial frequency of 507.000 kHz.
> >
> > Reports are appreciated.
> >
> > Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
> >
> >


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Subject: Re: LF: PROPAGATION WSPR


>
> Dear LF Group,
>
> we should clearly differenciate between all aspects.
>
> A propagation study does not need any information transfer
> via the radio path other than confidence on the identity of
> the station in focus. In that case, observing the carrier
> is best. So WSPR has no advantage over QRSS.
>
> On the other hand, WSPR has the advantage of automatic
> recording. But that is not an advantage of the mode, it
> simply is the lack of a corresponding simple program that
> does the same with a QRSS signal.
>
> If the propagation is monitored with the final goal to
> make a QSO at appropriate conditions, then the information
> transfer gets important. In that case, WSPR may outperform
> QRSS by a few dBs (at the same error rate).
>
> Nevertheless, WSPR is not very near to the Shannon limit.
> I spent nearly all my leisure time of the last year with
> the design of a new digital ham radio QSO-mode HD43 that
> comes as close as possible to the theoretical limit.
> I will send a preprint on request.
>
> 73 de Klaus, DJ5HG
>
>
>
>> mal hamilton wrote:
>> > On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation
>>
>> Good points Mal. However CW for manual reception and QRSS, to be viewed
>> on a waterfall display, are fine for all manner of uses and in extremis
>> QRSS is probably more sensitive than WSPR. However QRSS requires the
>> receiving station to be actively watching the screen all the time, or to
>> save traces automatically and then manually review them, by eye, later.
>>
>> This is rather time consuming and laborious.
>>
>> WSPR may have it's downsides, and the problems last night with G0NBD
>> aside, I've never had any problems decoding anything I can visually see,
>> and also much that I could not hear and would be at the threshold of
>> QRSS useabilty.
>>
>> I have confidence that what I see reported by the software is a
>> reasonable representation of what was transmitted, and it's much easier
>> to quantify changes in signal strength vs time with the WSPR data than
>> estimating by eye the quality of a QRSS transmission.
>>
>> It may not be accurate in terms of actual reported S/N ratio, but it's
>> consistent from session to session, and gives numbers to work with, if
>> that's your interest.
>>
>> Not everyone can sit waiting for the brief propagation opening, so
>> automating the process at least adds another facet this interesting 
>> hobby.
>>
>> If it hurts no-one then what's the harm?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John
>> GM4SLV
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


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Jim and Co
Following the recent discussion and your observations about WSPR and JT65. I=
 am still of the opinion, all things considered like simplicity, bandwidth,=20=
signal over noise and transfer of information that QRS3 is to date the most=20=
suitable mode for LF and MF.  The variant DFCW would speed up the exchange o=
f info.=20
Even with QSB enough info is usually exchanged to make a QSO viable.=20
One way to minimise the QSB is to increase power and 100w erp would not be e=
xcessive.
QRS 3/2/1 and DFCW are the most suitable for this application, given the pow=
er constraints especially in the UK at present.
Monitoring recent WSPR and JT65 transmissions and waiting for a decode I cou=
ld see the traces clearly before any printout  and had the transmission been=
 on QRS 3, I could have read a message several times over on the waterfall d=
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73 and HNY de Mal/g3kev

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jim and Co</FONT></DIV>
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considered like simplicity, bandwidth, signal over noise and transfer of=20
information that QRS3 is to date the most suitable mode for LF and MF.&nbsp;=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Even with&nbsp;QSB enough info is usually e=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One way to minimise the QSB is to increase=20=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>QRS 3/2/1&nbsp;and DFCW are the most suitab=
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Signal on 503870000mHz, 33% T/R cycle  being radiated now...


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2009/1/26 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
> Hello LF,
>
> I've retuned the RX setup to 502.400 and am awaiting signals.
>
> I have to be out of the house for a few hours soon, but (of course)
> everything will be left running and uploading to the WSPRnet database.
>
> Did we track down the mystery K1JT?
>
> John
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>
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:45:51 -0000
> "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>>
>> I think the sensible thing to do would be to try it for a while, and
>> see if people report problems.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>
>>
>> >
>> > Are we to  adopt  502.400 Hz  USB dial frequency for WSPR ?
>> > With  1500 Hz audio centre band tone.
>>
>>
>
>


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Dear Dave, LF Group

That is DCF39, a utility in DL, with around 40kW ERP. It is quite a good 
indicator for trans-atlantic propagation. The breaks are short bursts of FSK 
data.

The best QRG depends on what you want to collect. DF6NM is operating DFCW on 
about 136.309kHz at the moment. I will probably be running the WSPR beacon 
again in a few minutes on 137.5kHz. Other frequencies/modes can be 
arranged...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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I have a sig ( carrier with quick break ) on 138.830 ( dcf39??) that is 30db 
above my noise and it keys a carrier with a break about every 10 seconds 
with occasional short breaks, something like NIST on 60kc. but slower...

What do I have??

Where is best QRG for collecting EU ham sigs??



TNX

Dave - WD2XSH/17




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Hello Henny , Joe , LF ,
Last night , just a few small traces .
73 Jean-Pierre f1afj

henny van elst a =E9crit :
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John,

I think it is a combination of mother board and soundcard .. ran a test 
tonight

sound card
datong tune tone
pilot carrier

pilot and the datong trace fine .. sound card had glitches .. was also a 
little wider
so  going to re-has the pc looks like the old   isa/pci p111 1.1 ghz is past 
its date
hihi  . works fine on other data modes ... wspr seems to  be a little more 
critical

tnx- G ..

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From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:35 PM
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>
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:13:26 +0100
> Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:
>
>> > Just started WSPR again, and see a nice bright trace at approx
>> > 503.965 in the 20:40 slot, but again no decode. I see no-one else
>> > reported a successful decode on WSPRnet at that time either. Looks
>> > like still some problem?
>>
>> Could it be that the station that does not decode, albeit being
>> received strong, is not correctly time aligned ? Dimension4 is a very
>> nice tool for this. And it is also free...
>>
>> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Alberto,
>
> I think the time is okay on G0NBD's PC, as the periods that do
> decode show DT of 0.2 seconds, so no great problem I think.
>
> The decoding problems seem to be when the S/N rises above about -6dB
> as reported by the software, as I can decode him well when the signal
> drops below this level!
>
> John
>
>
>



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Alan, Mal,

Yes, same goes for me. I do agree with both the points that mal stated.

My education was quite different to today's standards & I also see very poor
grammar & spelling from younger people.

When I passed the morse code exam in 1983 I used the mode for about a year
but my failing was not to continue with it. After recently practicing in the
shack I find I can read 12wpm or a bit faster quite easily but I still have
the problem with my confidence sending. The old lady puts me to shame.

Gary - G4WGT.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
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Oh dear, I have to agree with Mal for once.
I'm fully with you there on grammar and punctuation in modern usage.

I know of one teacher who refuses and returns any written work that
makes use of Text-ese.   It has made her unpopular with kids and some
other staff.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/23 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Gary
> A shining example of what can be achieved especially by a disabled person
.
> It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad light!!!!!! on MF/LF some class A
> operators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I assume they are able bodied. It
> used to be that a class A amateur had an advantage over the general public
> by being able to converse in morse code, just like another language except
> it was totally international.
> Even a worse senario, a lot of persons today cannot write, the norm is to
> use a keypad and send text messages using some abbreviated gibbirish,
> grammar is not required, sort of pigeon english.
> G3KEV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary - G4WGT
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 4:21 PM
> Subject: LF: RE: Morse code lifeline
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Here is a video on the above subject at this link :-
>
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Michael Probert
> Sent: 22 January 2009 19:21
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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>
>
>
> Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009
>
>
>
> The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 2009
>
>
>
> Quote-" A Pensioner who is almost completely paralysed has learned to
> communicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.
>
> Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his 79
> year-old mother to communicate using her knowledge of the code."
>
>
>
>  End of quote.
>
>
>
> 73  Mike GW4HXO
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John, Thanks for pointing me to the Cossor manuel. Isearched the net and 
found the manual so you don't need to send me a copy.

Thanks again,
Ralph



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In sorted out some of my testgear, I have found the above document.  Would 
anyone like it?

The equipment itself is is long gone.

73
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Hi Joe,
same capture with speclab.
Henny cpm
73s

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Joe,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>same capture with speclab.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henny cpm</FONT></DIV>
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:08:45 -0500
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> WE2XGR/2 will be in WSPR mode tonight starting 2030Z on dial
> frequency 507.000 kHz.

Hello Jay, LF,

I've just retuned, to 507kHz dial, at 20:00 - I'm hoping to catch the
first of your tranmsit periods and will continue through the night.

RX setup is identical to the last test, same antenna/pre-amp etc...

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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:35:59 -0000
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> Advanced operator G0AT. I will look out for you on hi speed wspr.
> 


Of course the rusty razor is only to be used for very delicate goat
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Gus wrote:

> Hi all,
>  
> any who know abt RS232 and WSPR!
>  
>  
> can WSPR program accept "DTR" as interface power from RS 232 port ?
>  
>  
> 73 de Gus SM6BHZ

hello Gus, LF
yes it works either on DTR or RTS lines ..
                                 73, peter, sq7mpj
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Andy, LF,

I have had no problems with the serial port PTT control of WSPR.

With a normal 9-pin RS232 port, on the motherboard of the PC, I use the
RTS line for PTT switching, via a simple transistor switch with no
problems. I've never looked at the DTR line, as I haven't any use for
it in my h/b interface, while running WSPR, so can't answer for what
that line does - but the RTS seems to work as expected.

Regards,

John






On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:12:52 +0000 Andy Talbot
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> I have (sort-of) sorted out the transmitter control problem.  While
> both  WSPR.EXE  and WSJT6 both refuse to properly control the
> PC-installed COM1 port, they do both behave properly with an FTDI type
> USB COM port.
> 
> So am running a WSPR beacon on 503.47kHz for a while.
> 
> Still intrigued to know why Joe's software won't drive my COM 1
> properly, whereas it works with USB based conm ports.  Whereas other
> software, including direct programming it from VB6, does allow
> complete control of DTR and RTS signal lines.
> 
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
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> 


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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:39:20 +0000
Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Signal on 503870000mHz, 33% T/R cycle  being radiated now...
> 
>
1st decode was +1dB s/n

2nd dropped to -15dB

That's QSB for you!

Cheers,

John


p.s. Is there any chance of adding a more accurate (ie 6-figure)
locator to the database? I think the WSPRnet database stores the full
6-figure one when you report a spot, and then uses it from then on - as
long as you've set 6-figures in the software options. Only 4-figures
are sent as part of the beacon, and without an uploaded spot from you
with 6-figure locator we're stuck with the lower resolution. Of course
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Dear Andy, LF Group,

Some of the European beacons are also considerably higher than 1W ERP.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


> It was interesting, though, that for all that time the two Eu beacons
> around 505kHz showed stronger on that grabber than I did.  Possibly
> just an illusion as my signal was spead out and the beacons were
> concentrated on a single pixel.
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
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MessageLots of WSPR activity today...

                    
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170600   8  -7  1.9    67  0  F5WK JN18 37          
171000   4 -23  4.1    48  0  DF6NM JN59 23         

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
   

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<BR>114800&nbsp;&nbsp; 3 -24&nbsp; 1.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 58&nbsp;=20
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<BR>115600&nbsp;&nbsp; 3 -24&nbsp; 1.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 58&nbsp;=20
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<BR>115800&nbsp;&nbsp; 3 -18&nbsp; 1.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0&nbs=
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<BR>120200&nbsp;&nbsp; 3 -23&nbsp; 1.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 58&nbsp;=20
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<BR>120600&nbsp;&nbsp; 3 -19&nbsp; 1.7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0&nbs=
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<BR>121600&nbsp;&nbsp; 3 -27&nbsp; 1.7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;=20
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<BR>122200&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 -25&nbsp; 1.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 58&nbsp;=20
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27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>131200&nbsp;&nbsp; 5=20
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27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>132200&nbsp;&nbsp; 1=20
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<BR>133400&nbsp;&nbsp; 4 -25&nbsp; 2.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 58&nbsp;=20
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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<BR>134400&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 -25&nbsp; 2.4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 58&nbsp;=20
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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<BR>135400&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 -25&nbsp; 2.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 58&nbsp;=20
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<BR>140400&nbsp;&nbsp; 4 -24&nbsp; 2.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 58&nbsp;=20
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0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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<BR>152600&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 -12&nbsp; 1.7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67&nbsp; 0&nbsp; F5=
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37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>154600&nbsp;&nb=
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9 -11&nbsp; 1.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67&nbsp; 0&nbsp; F5WK JN18=20
37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>155000&nbsp;&nb=
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37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>161400&nbsp;&nb=
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8&nbsp; -9&nbsp; 2.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67&nbsp; 0&nbsp; F5WK JN18=20
37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>161800&nbsp;&nb=
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37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>162400&nbsp;&nb=
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37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>163200&nbsp;&nb=
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4 -22&nbsp; 3.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48&nbsp; 0&nbsp; DF6NM JN59=20
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8&nbsp; -8&nbsp; 2.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67&nbsp; 0&nbsp; F5WK JN18=20
37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>163800&nbsp;&nb=
sp;=20
9&nbsp; -9&nbsp; 2.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67&nbsp; 0&nbsp; F5WK JN18=20
37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>164000&nbsp;&nb=
sp;=20
7 -21&nbsp; 3.7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48&nbsp; 0&nbsp; DF6NM JN59=20
23&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>164400&nbsp; 10&nbsp;=
=20
-9&nbsp; 2.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67&nbsp; 0&nbsp; F5WK JN18=20
37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>164600&nbsp;&nb=
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6 -23&nbsp; 3.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48&nbsp; 0&nbsp; DF6NM JN59=20
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4 -26&nbsp; 4.1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48&nbsp;=20
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<BR>170000&nbsp;&nbsp; 7 -10&nbsp; 1.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67&nbsp; 0&nbsp; F5=
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JN18 37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
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F5WK JN18 37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
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Dear Mal, LF Group,

The MBR6045 you have are Schottky types, which generally do have much higher 
reverse current than PN junction diodes, especially high current, large area 
ones. Diode matching is usually not very important in a rectifier, unless 
you are using series or parallel combinations of diodes. For a double 
balanced mixer, it is a different matter, though these probably are not the 
best kind of diodes for that...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
 



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Hi Joe,

Can you give us your TX details again?

TNX

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Hi John, I would like it.
Ralph
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In sorted out some of my testgear, I have found the above document.  Would 
anyone like it?

The equipment itself is is long gone.

73
John F5VLF/G3PAI

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I just set the rx to 502.4 so not sure what your actual qrg was.
and got tx details in IO91. Your signal  was vy strong and audible, all 
other signals had solid traces.
No one has answered my question, about why these signals do not always 
decode and produce a print display, in spite of the fact the signals are 
strrong. I keep the rx threshold to the recommended 0 to 1 db input.
I am checking wspr trace intensity against a decode and I am still of the 
opinion had the trace been keyed at qrs 3 speed or is some cases normal CW a 
message could have been passed more quickly.
Is lack of decode a TX problem or RX problem ie soundcard or software at 
either end. Observations from others are similar to mine.
mal/g3kev

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> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
>
> MOBMU now
> 192800 9 -13 0.2 -182 0 m0bmu 1091 30
> Jim is this what u expect
> mal/g3kev
>
> Well, nearly - if the -182 is in the "DF" column, it would seem your RX is
> set 182Hz too high.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>


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Jim
I realise they are Schotty but are they totally suitable for a psu.
Are u qrv on 137 khz cw. I am calling cq on 136.8 khz
de mal/g3kev

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> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
> The MBR6045 you have are Schottky types, which generally do have much 
> higher
> reverse current than PN junction diodes, especially high current, large 
> area
> ones. Diode matching is usually not very important in a rectifier, unless
> you are using series or parallel combinations of diodes. For a double
> balanced mixer, it is a different matter, though these probably are not 
> the
> best kind of diodes for that...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
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>


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I can see a trace on spec lab 23-26 . 23-28   hrs  but no decode ... may be 
a second tx as well ?

G ..

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>
> Hi John,
>
> I'm certainly pleased to read that! Thanks a lot.
>
> 73, Markus
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello Markus,
>
> 1st decode
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> 2314    -23dB
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> WSPRnet spot page gives QRB as 1444km!
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> Cheers!
>
> John
> GM4SLV
> IP90gg
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>
>



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Hello Jeff,
I not found any email address from you and maybe you not receiving this
LF reflector mails, but however i try it.
Many thanks for calling me this morning after my QSO with DL2HRE. This
was a pleasure. Sorry i finished the QSO quickly, but i was short on
time. I will be QRV tomorrow monring and hopefully more often Sunday
mornings in future. Hope for some more QSO's with you. This was just my
3rd QSO on 137KHz :-)

vy73
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Hi Rik, Marco, Andy and any others who asked about the ts850 mod
=C2=A0
The info came from Bob Vernall ZL2VCA=20
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http://we0h.us/Amateur_Radio_stuff/TS850/ts_850_lf_tx_mod.pdf
=C2=A0
and yes, it does seem to fool the synth into thinking it is still in receive=
.
=C2=A0
The output (via the transverter socket) is=C2=A0less than a volt - hence the=
 PA.
=C2=A0
I feed a positive voltge into the transverter socket from the PA to activate=
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changeover relay inside the ts850.
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HTH - Brian (G3YKB)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

--- On Fri, 16/1/09, brian hodgson <g3ykb@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: brian hodgson <g3ykb@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LF: First Linear data qso G4WGT / G0NBD
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 2:19 PM






Hi Graham -=20

Make that 4! I've modified my TS850 to generate SSB at 500 kHz and use a hom=
ebrew linear PA to produce 30 watts peak RF.

Have been off air for a while during a shack rebuild and broken aerial but a=
m back in business.

Brian - G3YKB

--- On Thu, 15/1/09, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:




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G0NBD=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Refurbishe=
d Military and Marine=20
M0BMU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0His own design Li=
near =C2=A0class E system
G4WGT=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Classic lin=
ear HF/MF =C2=A0home made transverter
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"t=
op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Hi Rik, Marco, Andy and any others who ask=
ed about the ts850 mod</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The info came from Bob Vernall ZL2VCA </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://we0h.us/Amateur_Radio_stuff/TS850/ts_850_lf_tx_mod.pd=
f">http://we0h.us/Amateur_Radio_stuff/TS850/ts_850_lf_tx_mod.pdf</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>and yes, it does seem to fool the synth into thinking it is still in re=
ceive.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The output (via the transverter socket) is&nbsp;less than a volt - henc=
e the PA.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I feed a positive voltge into the transverter socket from the PA to act=
ivate the </DIV>
<DIV>changeover relay inside the ts850.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>HTH - Brian (G3YKB)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 16/1/=
09, brian hodgson <I>&lt;g3ykb@yahoo.co.uk&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: brian hodgson &lt;g3ykb@yahoo.co.uk&gt;<BR>Subjec=
t: Re: LF: First Linear data qso G4WGT / G0NBD<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org<BR>Date: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 2:19 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1961762961>
<TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 border=3D0>
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<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop>Hi Graham - <BR><BR>Make that 4! I've modified my TS850 to=20=
generate SSB at 500 kHz and use a homebrew linear PA to produce 30 watts pea=
k RF.<BR><BR>Have been off air for a while during a shack rebuild and broken=
 aerial but am back in business.<BR><BR>Brian - G3YKB<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu,=20=
15/1/09, Graham <I>&lt;g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB>G0NBD<=
SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Ref=
urbished Military and Marine </SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB>M0BMU<=
SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>His own de=
sign Linear <SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>class E system</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB>G4WGT<=
SPAN>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>Clas=
sic linear HF/MF <SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>home made transverter</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB></SPAN=
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Hello Uwe,very weak signal,correct decoding only one time .
 
090110 1804   3 -27  1.1   0.135976  73 DE  DJ8WX JO43
 
 
 
F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
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> 192800 9 -13 0.2 -182 0 m0bmu 1091 30

What funny locator you have Jim... 1091 ???
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Hi All,

 

Here is a video on the above subject at this link :-

 

http://news. <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm>
bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm

 

Cheers,

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Michael Probert
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Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009

 

The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 2009

 

Quote-" A Pensioner who is almost completely paralysed has learned to
communicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.

Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his 79
year-old mother to communicate using her knowledge of the code."

 

 End of quote.

 

73  Mike GW4HXO

 

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&nbsp;&nbsp;A British national newspaper.----22<sup>nd</sup> January 2009<o:=
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Dear Graham, LF Group,

Remembering what I said jokingly to RA3AGC a few days ago about visually 
verifying a spectrogram trace of a WSPR signal, and the discussions of 
merits of WSPR vs QRSS, I thought this ought to work for diagnosis 
purposes - after all, WSPR is measuring the received frequency changes and 
the times at which they change, and in principle the same info is displayed 
by the spectrogram.

So I spent a "hugely exciting" couple of hours studying your signal with 
Spectrum Lab, and comparing it with a locally generated signal from my PC 
(which everyone seems to decode OK), configured with the same beacon message 
you have been transmitting. Eventually, I realised that the difference was 
that your transmissions are a few seconds shorter than the locally generated 
signals - in the attachment, the locally generated signals have the dark, 
noise free background. This means the transmitted sequence will be a couple 
of symbols out of step by the end of each transmission - I expect that could 
mess up the demodulation/decoding processes quite a lot. If you have a noisy 
signal, the demodulator/decoder might be using effectively just the least 
noisy fraction of the signal, with less timing error over a shorter part of 
the sequence.

To test this theory, I waited until about 1 minute of your signal had 
appeared on the spectrogram, then unplugged the antenna, so that the 
remaining minute was white noise. The result was successful decodes! I tried 
this 3 times, and it worked 3 times. So your signal does not have to be 
noisy in order to decode, there has to be part of it missing in order to 
decode!

So that might be why the signals don't decode - whether this is a problem 
with the soundcard, motherboard, or software is probably a question for 
K1JT! Still, a step in the right direction...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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You're welcome Markus!

It's great to see and hear you at this distance.

The 23:30 transmission decoded at -15dB

I see Jim also is on the band now, at -12dB 137.500kHz

Cheers,

John


On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:22:23 +0100
"Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com> wrote:

> Hi John,
> 
> I'm certainly pleased to read that! Thanks a lot.
> 
> 73, Markus 
> 


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I waited till past 7am Z but the past several frames were without a 
signal...

The creshendo, possibly grey line signal was about 30 minutes previous, then 
nothing...

Started copying you well before sunset here...

Throughout the monitor time, the proton density was above 10

TNX

Dave @ FN42pb  " Western Tower "




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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> Dear Dave, LF Group,
>
> Many thanks to everyone who listened for the WSPR beacons and for all the 
> reports. Over the last few weeks, 50 or so stations have copied the 
> beacons, in about 14 different countries, so a fair bit of activity has 
> been stirred up. It is nice to see that quite a large proportion of 
> reports have come from stations who  have not previously been involved 
> with LF/MF, so perhaps we have made a few "converts". This is particularly 
> so with 500kHz, where it would appear it is often possible to get quite 
> good reception by plugging a random wire antenna into a standard receiver, 
> so it is not difficult for people to get involved.
>
> I see there were around 40 spots uploaded from Dave, AA1A, through the 
> night, with the last one at 0646utc. Would be interested to know if that 
> was when the signal dropped out, or if that was when you went QRT?
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 



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Jim,

Thanks for the report .. that was the 'simple version ,

Ive changed to  the ex version now 17-45 hrs

pa looks to  be tripping ...... possibly some spikes in the audio
feed .

tnx - G

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From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:36 PM
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>
> Dear Graham,
>
> Your sigs mostly inaudible here - patchy copy with both Olivia and Domino,
> solid copy in WSPR as you would expect.
>
> It has not long been dark here, so I expect signal levels will pick up
> later.
>
> Wonder why you have selected Domino F im preference to the superceding
> Domino EX modes?
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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>
>
> Running  data mode , DominoF and olivia  8x250  , wspr
> power about 20  watts per mode ..tx set started  1630
>
>
>
>



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 What is even worse is the demoralising effect on educated jobseekers on dis=
covering that their beautifully-crafted CV and application is being pre-scre=
ened by an agency recruiter who cannot use the language! This is especially=20=
galling if the position being applied for requires a candidate to demonstrat=
e a good standard of education. Example - a well-known national agency regul=
arly publishes advertisements for executive positions in which the word ther=
e is used in place of their. These are not newspaper "typos"! These appear o=
n the agency's own website which, on enquiry, they assured me was maintained=
 by "there own personle". Or, how about "Thanks for replying to are question=
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r the future. One of the worst I have seen came from an establishment of "hi=
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:32
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Morse code lifeline










Oh dear, I have to agree with Mal for once.
I'm fully with you there on grammar and punctuation in modern usage.

I know of one teacher who refuses and returns any written work that
makes use of Text-ese.   It has made her unpopular with kids and some
other=20
staff.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/23 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Gary
> A shining example of what can be achieved especially by a disabled person=20=
.
> It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad light!!!!!! on MF/LF some class A
> operators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I assume they are able bodied. It
> used to be that a class A amateur had an advantage over the general public
> by being able to converse in morse code, just like another language except
> it was totally international.
> Even a worse senario, a lot of persons today cannot write, the norm is to
> use a keypad and send text messages using some abbreviated gibbirish,
> grammar is not required, sort of pigeon english.
> G3KEV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary - G4WGT
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 4:21 PM
> Subject: LF: RE: Morse code lifeline
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Here is a video on the above subject at this link :-
>
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Gary =E2=80=93 G4WGT.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Michael Probert
> Sent: 22 January 2009 19:21
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Morse code lifeline
>
>
>
> Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009
>
>
>
> The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 2009
>
>
>
> Quote=E2=80=94" A Pensioner
 who is almost completely paralysed has learned to
> communicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.
>
> Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his 79
> year-old mother to communicate using her knowledge of the code."
>
>
>
>  End of quote.
>
>
>
> 73  Mike GW4HXO
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> ________________________________
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
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<div> <font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">What is even worse is the=20=
demoralising effect on educated jobseekers on discovering that their beautif=
ully-crafted CV and application is being pre-screened by an agency recruiter=
 who cannot use the language! This is especially galling if the position bei=
ng applied for requires a candidate to demonstrate a good standard of educat=
ion. Example - a well-known national agency regularly publishes advertisemen=
ts for executive positions in which the word <b><i>there </i></b>is used in=20=
place of <i><b>their</b></i>. These are not newspaper "typos"! These appear=20=
on the agency's own website which, on enquiry, they assured me was maintaine=
d by "<i><b>there own personle</b></i>". Or, how about "<i><b>Thanks for rep=
lying to are questions. You cv is now been sent to are client."&nbsp; </b></=
i>Add to those the almost constant misuse, abuse and omission of&nbsp; the a=
postrophe and one despairs for the future. One of the worst I have seen came=
 from an establishment of "higher education.<br>
<br>
(I do assure you that the quotes in bold are verbatim and the misspelling is=
 as received.)<br>
<br>
73 de Pat G4GVW&nbsp; &nbsp; </font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Andy Talbot &lt;andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com&gt;<br>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:32<br>
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Morse code lifeline<br>
<br>






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<pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><tt>Oh dear, I have to agree with Mal for onc=
e.<br>
I'm fully with you there on grammar and punctuation in modern usage.<br>
<br>
I know of one teacher who refuses and returns any written work that<br>
makes use of Text-ese.   It has made her unpopular with kids and some<br>
other staff.<br>
<br>
Andy  G4JNT<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com" target=3D"_blank">www.g4jnt.com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
2009/1/23 mal hamilton &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal=
@talktalk.net</a>&gt;:<br>
&gt; Gary<br>
&gt; A shining example of what can be achieved especially by a disabled pers=
on .<br>
&gt; It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad light!!!!!! on MF/LF some clas=
s A<br>
&gt; operators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I assume they are able bodied.=
 It<br>
&gt; used to be that a class A amateur had an advantage over the general pub=
lic<br>
&gt; by being able to converse in morse code, just like another language exc=
ept<br>
&gt; it was totally international.<br>
&gt; Even a worse senario, a lot of persons today cannot write, the norm is=20=
to<br>
&gt; use a keypad and send text messages using some abbreviated gibbirish,<b=
r>
&gt; grammar is not required, sort of pigeon english.<br>
&gt; G3KEV<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ----- Original Message -----<br>
&gt; From: Gary - G4WGT<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@black=
sheep.org</a><br>
&gt; Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 4:21 PM<br>
&gt; Subject: LF: RE: Morse code lifeline<br>
&gt;
<br>
&gt; Hi All,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Here is a video on the above subject at this link :-<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Gary =E2=80=93 G4WGT.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ________________________________<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; From: <a href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>
&gt; [<a href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org?">mailto:owner-rs=
gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>] On Behalf Of Michael Probert<br>
&gt; Sent: 22 January 2009 19:21<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@black=
sheep.org</a><br>
&gt; Subject: LF: Morse code lifeline<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 200=
9<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Quote=E2=80=94" A Pensioner who is almost completely paralysed has lear=
ned to<br>
&gt; communicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his=20=
79<br>
&gt; year-old mother to communicate using her knowledge of the code."<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;  End of quote.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 73  Mike GW4HXO<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ________________________________<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ________________________________<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; No vi
rus found in this incoming message.<br>
&gt; Checked by AVG - <a href=3D"http://www.avg.com" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//www.avg.com</a><br>
&gt; Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1910 - Release Date: 1/22/=
2009<br>
&gt; 6:28 PM<br>
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Hello Paul-Henrik,

in my narrowband colour-DF spectrogram, I could see some activity from your direction starting at 16:18, and what looks like a 
continuous carrier slightly drifting from 136399.4 at 16:48 to about 136398.6 Hz now. The signal is not strong enough here for CW or 
QRSS3, but would be perfectly readable with 30 second dots. I have temporarily set the lower grabber panel on 
http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm to your frequency. If you like you could perhaps interrupt or slightly shift the 
carrier for a couple of minutes to provide unambiguous identification.

Good luck
Markus

Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ


LF, transmitting now. CW on 136.40kHz.

Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

LF, Hello all!

I plan to run a test transmission on 136kHz during Friday, Saturday and Sunday
night. The setup is very preliminary/temporary and can not be left unattended
for longer periods. The unprotected ATU has to be brought indoors when not in
use. We expect cold dry weather for the weekend so it should survive while in
use. The estimated ERP based on tests made yesterday is only 20mW. This figure
does not include absorption in nearby objects.

Initially the transmission will be CW only but QRSS3 with CW ID will follow as
soon as I have the ON7YD keyer software and interface set up.

Antenna: Inverted-L 15m high with 35m horizontal wire. 20 radials 5-25m long,
half of them terminated in 0.5m deep earth rods. Rtot estimated to roughly
100ohms.
ATU: Variometer + large loading coil
TX: Keyed 1W 50ohm DDS signal generator feeding a pair of parallell 807's in
class AB1 trough a wideband 1:5 voltage stepup transformer providing 80Vp-p for
the control grids. Classic parallel tuned tank with adjustable coupling coil.
Power output is measured to 65W at 810V/150mA on the plates.

Unless I receive other suggestions for the QRG that will enable QRM-free QRSS
reception for interested stations the frequency will be 136.40kHz.

I can not receive on 136kHz during this test. I will inform when QRV/QRT.


Best regards

Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD







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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:20:07 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

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> 
> I suppose this shows that transmission of a frame is initiated by the
> real time clock reaching an even minute, but once started, the
> generation and timing of the bits in the frame is independent of the
> RTC,


And occasionally one sees spots reported at WSPRnet with an ODD minute
timestamp - how's that done?

John


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Andy,

no copy here at the moment (14:45 UT).
I will leave the RX monitoring for the next hours while working in the garden.
Look at wsprnet for eventual spots from me.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>:

> I have a QRP WSPR Beacon going on the usual 503870Hz frequency.     RF power
> is 100mW which gives an an estimated ERP of -6dBm - needless to say the
> reported power in the message is therefore wrong.
>
> Its operating at 100% duty cycle at the moment while the band is quiet - if
> anyone has probs, just give a shout here and I'll drop the rate.
>
> The WSPRnet database is showing Jim's copy of it at -29dB S/N, which
> compares well with the transmission an hour earlier when I made some antenna
> tuning tweaks and confirmed max power from the broadband PA as 140 Watts.
> Jim's report on that was +2dB S/N.   31dB higher and within 0.5dB of
> expected.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>



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Good signal from your "QRP"station Warren,

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Hi Pat,

 

Thanks for the additional info.

 

Also it won't break the bank if it doesn't work as they are not expensive.
HI HI.

 

Cheers,

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Sent: 10 January 2009 11:49
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: RS232 adapter

 

Hi Gary,

The only problem I have come across is using it with the "dongle" for
Radiocom 4 to control an Icom PCR 1000 Rx.
Otherwise there seem to be few problems. I don't think you will "break"
anything if you try out.

73 de Pat G4GVW

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Hudson <hudsonville@btinternet.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:05
Subject: LF: RE: RS232 adapter

Hi Gary,

 

Should work.

 

My PC has zero RS-232 ports so I have to use them!

 

73,

Lee M0LMH.

 

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Subject: LF: RS232 adapter

Hi All,

 

This may have been asked before.

 

Will a USB to RS232 adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware
interface. My PC has only 1 RS232 port & no empty PCI slots.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 

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for
Radiocom 4 to control an Icom PCR 1000 Rx.<br>
Otherwise there seem to be few problems. I don't think you will
&quot;break&quot; anything if you try out.<br>
<br>
73 de Pat G4GVW</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Should work.</span></fon=
t><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>My PC has zero RS-232 po=
rts so I have to
use them!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>73,</span></font><o:p></=
o:p></p>

</div>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Lee M0LMH.</span></font>=
<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DTa=
homa><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----O=
riginal
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:owner=
-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"><u><font color=3Dblue><span style=3D'color:bl=
ue'>owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</span></font></u></a> [<a href=3D"mai=
lto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org?"><u><font color=3Dblue><span style=
=3D'color:blue'>mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</span></font></u><=
/a>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gary - G4WGT<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 09 January 2009 21:27<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> LF -RSGB LF Group<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: RS232 adapter</s=
pan></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Hi All,</span></font></b><o:p><=
/o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>&nbsp;</span></font></b><o:p></=
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</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>This may have been asked before=
.</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>&nbsp;</span></font></b><o:p></=
o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Will a USB to RS232 adapter wor=
k OK with a
transceiver RS232 hardware interface. My PC has only 1 RS232 port &amp; no
empty PCI slots.</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>&nbsp;</span></font></b><o:p></=
o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
ont-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>73,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p=
></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
ont-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.</span></font></b>=
</strong><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1883 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 8:=
38
AM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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Hallo Victor

Met welke antenne heb je dat ontvangen?

Groeten Willem

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Namens victor13@online.nl
Verzonden: donderdag 29 januari 2009 7:23
Aan: blacksheep
Onderwerp: LF: xgj

Weak copy of your qrp signal Warren,

73

Victor



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Some vy strong traces at present on 500 but only G4JNT is decoding.
184600 13 -13 -0.1-227 0 G4JNT 090 23
Andy does that help
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Hello LF!

Receiving YO2X on 505.8kHz here for the first time 1740UTC.

Transmission is CW/QRSS with the CW audible RST 319 with msg "YO2X KN05PS"

See attached picture for Argo screencapture.


My congratulations to the operator(s)!


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD

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Paul-Henrik, LF,

136.35 kHz is fine for me, it's probably just that the conditions may have
changed. I'll continue to monitor 136.35 for the next few hours.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Hello Dave, LF

Thanks for reporting!

Yes, that looks like me sending a longer CW ID followed by "TT" in QRSS3. Is
136.35kHz less suited at your QTH due to the local QRM? I can move back up
to
136.40kHz for a while if you think that helps.

73's

Paul-Henrik



Quoting Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>:

> Paul-Henrik, LF,
>
> I was definitely seeing traces of your signal around 1900 utc before you
> QSYd. See attached screengrab.
>
> No sign ot the QRSS3 on 136.35, yet.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Paul-Henrik
> Sent: 16 January 2009 20:47
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
>
>
> Danke Markus!
>
> I'm so positively surprised and if I had a bottle of Champagne it would be
> open
> now. These are very encouraging reports. Perhaps time to start building a
> more
> powerful transmitter now. The antenna is about as good as it gets on this
> property. An elevated loading coil could be worth a try though as the
> vertical
> wire is very near one of the supporting trees and I suspect some of that
> highly
> needed ERP is wasted in it.
>
> Will keep the signal coming for a few more hours, the PSU seems to do the
> job
> (PSU for my old retired Yaesu FT-250).
>
> 73's
>
> Paul-Henrik
>
> Quoting Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>:
>
> > ... this it what it looked like here at 20:18. Nice job with 20 mW!
> >
> > 73 - Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:18 PM
> > Subject: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
> >
> >
> > Dear Paul-Henrik, LF Group,
> >
> > Now building up to "O" copy...
> >
> > Cheers, Jim Moritz
> > 73 de M0BMU
> >
>
>
>
>






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Hi all,
dj8wx is xmitting at 135,975kHz in WSPR mode, pwr abt 50mWERP.
RX dial 134,475kHz (USB).

regards
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Hello Henny,

>Hi All,
>capture 137khz DD7?

DD7PC

73
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Tnx Uwe
I could try that method sometime.
tnx for the info
73 de mal/g3kev

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> Hi Mal,
>
> pse see also
>
> http://home.versanet.de/~uwe-jannsen/two.htm
>
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx
>
>
>
> Zitat von mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
>> LF/MF
>> I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using
>> two loops. Loop A is 40 metres perimeter vertical orientation, Loop B
>> is 190 metres perimeter also vertical.  Both loops optimum E/W.
>> I am using two receivers in this experiment Ant A to Siemens D2155
>> level meter, BW 20 Hz and vy stable, Ant B to Datong up converter and
>> IC746 250 Hz BW. Both audio outputs to soundcard/ARGO display
>> allowing 50 hz separation for observation.
>> Observing DI2AM at present and having calibrared this signal on both
>> RX outputs at a point in time, both signals are fairly constant but
>> more variations have been observed on Ant A - 40m loop, the signal
>> surges in strength and then fades down, whereas Ant B has a more
>> constant output with less fade.
>> More time is needed for a proper assessment and DI2AM is also a
>> strong signal. I would need a few long haul signals for a proper test
>> like Russian or USA .
>> Interested in MF signals at present.
>> This method would also work with a couple of small loops or a loop
>> and probe type antenna, then at a glance one would know how each was
>> performing, of course with the loop in the optimum direction for
>> target signal.
>>
>> This is just a simple setup, it works well and no audio cross mod
>> noticed, nice clean signals on display in spite of the fact that the
>> separation is only 50hz.
>> A nice balanced mixer would be a more sophisticated approach, that
>> might come later.
>>
>> 73 mal/g3kev
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


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Mal,

QRV 7033 now de Dave


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  ok Jay
  Nil on ur freq either also listening on 7033 khz for calls USA maybe Dave.=
 On 7033 can hear a K4 STN so there is propagartion to USA
  MAL

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    Looking...nothing so far.

    Jay

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      Hi Jay and Dave and MF=20
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lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Djrusgrove@comcast.net       href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@comcast.=
net">jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 10=
:19=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: 500 now</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Looking...nothing so far.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr       style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
      <DIV         style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-colo=
r: black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net"=
>mal=20
      hamilton</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A         title=3Drsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org         href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rs=
gb</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009=20=
5:16=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 500 now</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Jay and Dave and MF </FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now qrv 502.57 khz g3kev qsk for qso'=
s.&nbsp;=20
      Gale blowing at present but not having any effect on=20
antennas.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <P>
    <HR>

    <P></P><BR>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG -=20
    http://www.avg.com <BR>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886=20=
-=20
    Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HT=
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:59:30 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Andy, LF,
> 
> Just got a decode on new frequency but had not changed WSPR settings
> so it will report incorrect for 1st decode.
> 
> Gary - G4WGT.
> 
>

And it looks like Jim's stayed down on 502 - being reported by Mark and
OH8HTG.

That'll please the nay-sayers - WSPR spreading all over the band!

Off out for a few hours, will leave RX running on 502.400

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Hello Lubos and LF,

Very interesting this observation, I also thought me of local QRM !
Very great activity on 137 Khz, (the grabber of Laurence in China
made in true "catch"! )

73 qro JeanPierre f1afj

Lubos OK2BVG a =E9crit :
> Jean-Pierre, LF!
> I had thought, that it was local noise, but then I saw it on your grabber=20=
as well. This noise started 02:10 and stoped 03:05UT.
>
> 73, Lubos, OK2BVG
>
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Hi Nicolas,

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The WSPR beacon version will upload to the spots page but the QSO version
will not, I believe Uwe is using the QSO version.

=20

Gary =96 G4WGT.

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of F4DTL@aol.com
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Subject: Re: LF: DJ8WX WSPR

=20

The WSPR spots doesn't work for the LF band.

=20

=20

Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 10/01/2009 19:18:06 Paris, Madrid, F4DTL@aol.com a
=E9crit :

Hello Uwe,very weak signal,correct decoding only one time .

=20

090110 1804   3 -27  1.1   0.135976  73 DE DJ8WX JO43

=20

=20

=20

F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: 10m LF vertical

http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/

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beacon version will upload to the spots page but the QSO version will not, I=
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Uwe is using the QSO version.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
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<br>
RX : Icom IC7400<br>
Ant: 10m LF vertical<br>
<br>
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In sorted out some of my testgear, I have found the above document.  Would a=
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The equipment itself is is long gone.

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Does anyone know a source for hi current rectifiers. ie 50 - 100A at low vol=
tage around 25- 50V
So far I have only found low current high voltage devices on Internet.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Does anyone know a source for hi current=20
rectifiers. ie 50 - 100A at low voltage around 25- 50V</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So far I have only found low current high=20
voltage&nbsp;devices on Internet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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Strong signal Warren
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73

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Mal,

I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector when I  
was 14 years old.
It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor detector.
And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I   
> have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the   
> opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was   
> used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC   
> broadcasts.
> Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable   
> to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these   
> bands.
> Build one and have a QSO using this RX
> g3kev
>



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Closing down for the night after that last blast at QRO

73 All

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<div>Closing down for the night after that last blast at QRO</div>
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<div>73 All</div>
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Graham, LF,

I do agree that ERP is more meaningful & as Mal & Andy stated it is the
criteria with which the licence is approved.

My comment was to follow the WSPR recommended method as adopting ERP would
mean there are two "standards".

I ERP is adopted for LF then it should be international & not just UK, so an
official announcement by the main WSPR group would be required.
Comments please.

Gary - G4WGT.



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Gary,

I don't think a guard band is really needed as if you set the centre carrier

frequency to  503.9 , then operating at the extreme edges is not really 
possible, you're  right on the edge of the waterfall. the deviation is only 
round  6 hz

Re power .. I would say, the erp  is the most meaningful,  actual  power 
supplied to the antenna without the performance data of the array doesn't 
really mean too much ?

G ..

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>
> Hi All,
>
> In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top part 
> of
> the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a 
> 200Hz
> slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
> 503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.
>
> My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 503.550KHz
> data.
>
> Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 25 January 2009 18:32
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
> John,
>
> Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move 
> to
>
> the band edge without problems
> clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down
>
> With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a 
> reasonable
> concept as it will allow other 'casual'
> monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post 
> needed
> to  announce a test !
>
> What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or just
> sleeping ?
>
> G ..
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:04 PM
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> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
>> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>>
>> Oh no!
>>
>> Please let's not get into this again....
>>
>> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
>> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>>
>> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
>> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
>> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>>
>> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
>> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
>> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>>
>>
>> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>>
>> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>>
>> John
>> GM4SLV
>>
>>
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Dear Klaus, Mal, LF Group,

As far as being able to provide the information required in a beacon signal, 
I think WSPR and QRSS3 are roughly equivalent - they will function with 
similar signal and broadband noise levels at the receiver, WSPR gives a 
faster data rate, but QRSS3 requires less bandwidth, probably an advantage 
when narrow band QRM is present. Both have been used successfully as beacon 
signals. But at the moment, there is no QRSS equivalent of the WSPR beacon 
software. This means there are important practical advantages to WSPR.

The first thing is that the process is automated. The signal is transmitted, 
received, decoded, SNR is measured, and the result uploaded to a searchable 
database, along with every other reception report from all participating 
stations, so the information is available to anyone in almost real time in a 
very convenient form. This happens by individual stations setting up a 
transceiver, running the software, and connecting their PC to the internet 
(Oh, and remembering to enter their station info in place of K1JT's!). So it 
is very simple to add your station to a network of beacons, and access the 
data generated by the network.

Using QRSS beacons, the nearest equivalents are the "grabbers", which are a 
bit more involved to set up. The signals currently have to be interpreted 
visually; with QRSS3, this requires reviewing 100+ images, each with 
potentially several signals for an overnight monitoring session, either as 
they are generated or the next day, a tedious process. Then a report has to 
be manually written and sent to everyone who might be interested. Visually 
assessing SNR from this type of image is not very objective at all (hence 
the "T M O" reporting system). This sort of thing can be done in software 
(there are plently of CW-reading programs, Spectrum Lab has rather good 
facilities for calculating SNR), but it does not exist in an easy-to-use 
package

Furthermore, with WSPR each beacon station can transmit and receive during a 
session, which roughly doubles the number of stations in the network, 
effectively . The availability of a large number of "channels", with 
transmit and receive intervals of fixed duration, but randomised occurence, 
means that little is required to set up the network other than to know what 
frequency range is going to be used. One could imagine something equivalent 
for QRSS beacons, but again it does not exist in a convenient form yet.

Finally, if a single WSPR transmission is decoded, you have a useful amount 
of information - station ID, power, location, signal to noise ratio, without 
any prior knowledge of the station, or other channel of communication. With 
QRSS3 beacons, you usually only get a callsign (or part of one). No reason 
you should not send the other data in QRSS3 as well, but it would take a 
relatively long time to get the complete message, requiring longer "peak" 
conditions for a marginal signal. In practice, you are often relying on QRSS 
beacons station publicising their details on the internet in order to 
positively identify them.

So overall, from a theoretical point of view, I don't suppose there are 
particularly great advantages to a WSPR beacon over a QRSS3 beacon. But in 
practice, WSPR as a package is quite easy and convenient to use and gives 
useful results with achievable power levels, at least on 500kHz. It also 
allows one to get a good night's sleep! There are clearly bug-fixes and 
improvements that could be made to WSPR, or other modes, but at the moment 
it is an example of the maxim "I don't want it perfect, I want it Tuesday!"

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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From: "Klaus von der Heide" <v.d.heide@on-line.de>
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>
> Dear LF Group,
>
> we should clearly differenciate between all aspects.
>
> A propagation study does not need any information transfer
> via the radio path other than confidence on the identity of
> the station in focus. In that case, observing the carrier
> is best. So WSPR has no advantage over QRSS.
>
> On the other hand, WSPR has the advantage of automatic
> recording. But that is not an advantage of the mode, it
> simply is the lack of a corresponding simple program that
> does the same with a QRSS signal.
> 



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Hi Jean-Pierre,

thanks for the report! I was trying to locate an intermittent fault in the antenna system. Most times, I can go up to my full 200 W, 
giving 3.5 A (16 kV rms) without problems. But sporadically already above a threshold of  1 A (4.5 kV rms), some sort of partial 
discharge starts to happen, resulting in increased and erratically variable resistance and also slightly increased capacitance. It 
is accompanied by strong noise emissions in the FM broadcast band (which had been hardly noticable during several former instances 
of visible corona). With a piece of wire as a capacitive probe on a scope, a distinct and fast "ringing" is present on each rising 
edge of the carrier sinusoid. I have tried to look for visual corona in the dark and listen for the telltale sharp hiss of voltage 
breakdown, but with no definite findings up to now. At the moment all seems ok - Murphy's playing hide and seek...

Best wishes for 2009,

de Markus, DF6NM

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> Hello Markus (NM)
> Good copy of your signal test now !
> 73 HNY Jean-Pierre f1afj



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Jim,

here is my night-long decode of the 503.5 kHz beacon:

215400   5 -16  1.0    23  0
220200   4 -12  1.5    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
220600   3 -18  1.2    23  0
221000   5 -13  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
221400   4 -13  1.0    23  0
222200   6  -9  1.3    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
222600   5 -16  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
223200   3 -16  1.7    23  0
223800   3 -18  1.0    23  0
224600   5 -12  1.3    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
225200   5 -20  1.0    23  0
225800   3 -21  1.0    23  0
230200   4 -13  1.6    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
231000   3 -15  1.1    23  0
231800   4 -16  1.5    23  0
232400   3 -13  1.5    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
232800   2 -14  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
233200   5 -10  0.9    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
233600   6 -16  1.0    23  0
234200   5 -13  1.3    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
234800   5 -16  0.9    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
235200   4 -10  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
235800   6 -14  1.0    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
000400   4 -15  1.5    23 -1  M0BMU IO91 30
001200   4 -16  1.3    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
002000   6 -15  1.0    23 -1
002800   5  -4  1.0    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
003600   6  -8  1.3    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
004000   3 -12  1.3    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
004800   5  -5  1.0    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
005400   5  -6  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
010000   5  -9  0.9    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
010600   5  -8  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
011000   5  -8  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
011400   5  -4  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
012000   6  -6  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
012800   5  -9  1.3    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
013600   6  -6  1.4    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
014200   6  -6  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
015000   5  -8  1.0    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
015800   6  -8  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
020600   7  -8  1.0    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
021000   7  -5  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
021800   5 -15  0.9    23  0
022400   5  -7  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
023000   6 -11  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
023600   2 -16  1.5    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
024000   6 -13  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
024400   5 -11  1.4    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
025000   5 -11  1.3    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
025800   4 -10  1.5    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
030400   3 -16  1.4    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
031200   3 -16  1.5    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
031800   5 -12  1.5    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
032600   6  -9  0.7    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
033400   3 -12  1.0    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
034400   4 -17  0.7    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
034800   4 -11  0.8    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
035200   6 -11  0.7    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
035800   5 -14  0.8    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
040800   5 -22  1.3    23  0
041000   1 -23 -1.4     2  0
041400   5 -17  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
042000   4 -18  0.9    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
042600   3 -25  1.1    23  0
043000   3 -19  1.5    23  1
043400   5 -22  2.1    23  0
044000   3 -22  1.0    23  0
044400   2 -23  1.1    23  0
044800   1 -21  1.1    23  0
045600   2 -22  1.1    23  0
050200   4 -17  1.2    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
050800   1 -28  0.9    23  0
051400   4 -21  0.7    23  0
052000   4 -19  0.9    23  0
052400   4 -15  0.9    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
053200   5 -16  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
053600   4 -14  1.0    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
054000   3 -20  0.8    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
054600   2 -19  1.2    23  0
055200   5 -18  0.8    23  0
055800   3 -22  1.1    23  0
060600   3 -22  0.7    23  0
061000   3 -18  0.9    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
061400   4 -20  0.7    23  0
062000   5 -17  0.8    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
062800   4 -13  0.9    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
063200   2 -18  1.3    23  0
063600   4 -20  1.2    23  0
064000   4 -19  1.1    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
064600   1 -26  1.4    23  0
065000   2 -25  1.0    23  0
065400   3 -22  1.0    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
070800   2 -25  1.2    23  0
074200   1 -27  2.2    23  0
075000   3 -26  2.1    23  0
075400   4 -23  1.8    23  0
080000   1 -25  2.1    23  0
080600   2 -26  2.3    23  0
080800   1 -23  6.1     2  0
082000   4 -21  1.8    23  0
082400   3 -23  1.9    23  0  M0BMU IO91 30
084200   1 -27  1.9    23  0

Perseus SDR RX, untuned 23m wire antenna. Locator JN35sa

73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF



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> Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experimentation
> of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off the
> Internet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV.

       Several of us did exactly this last year (SSTV on 600m).
 The WE2XGR license (505-515kHz) 200W ERP can run practically any data
modes as well as ssb.
By staying above 510kHz we avoided causing QRM to other users of the
band (the others are all below 510).

Results were better than expected, my 100W (transmitter power out) was
copied clearly about 600mi away in Ohio.
I'm sure that if Bob WE2XGR/6 decided to run SSTV with his 200W ERP
you could copy it in the U.K.
-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:36 PM, M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi LF
>
 They say a picture is worth a
> 1000 words. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the
> world by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.  The result may be a bit more
> interesting than the shopping lists of stations worked, equipment lists and
> rig specifications that get churned out ad nauseam over the weekends.
>
> I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op friends
> would feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.
>
> No, the above suggestion is ridiculous. It does however, Einstein, Planck et
> al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum bandwidth for
> the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band?  I will start
> the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed with less
> than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then hand
> shaking could be introduced to ensure error free data transfer a bit like
> X25 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max.  We
> need to think outside the box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable modes onto
> 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co with all due respect to Alberto (who
> I admire immensely for his great innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT processing
> software) I think,  is over the top. Nobody is into book burning and denial
> of spectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play with here in
> the UK.  I consider myself a "grunt" operator not a highflying "Einstein"
> radio spectrum quantum mechanic, but I would hope we are trying to do more
> with less and I don't think Olivia is the answer. Whatever modes are
> proposed and developed, I would expect one of the cardinal points in their
> specification, along with very narrow BW, to be compatibility with adjacent
> modes like CW and the effect on adjacent stations not running that
> particular mode.
>
> In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming there
> are any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narrow
> band data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.
>
> Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground.
>
> Vy 73 petefmt
>
>


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Jim, Michel, LF,

Michel (F5WK) is now almost not seen on the WSPR & SpecLab display but the
signal is decoding fine. With the current settings I have reduced the
received signal strength but both are decoding no problem.

Earlier in the evening Michel's signal was quite strong on both displays but
no decode.

I have set the Rx to SSB, 500Hz filter & external tuned  pre-amp to moderate
gain. The antenna is Mini-Whip.

Cheers, Gary - G4WGT.



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 17 January 2009 21:20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: RE: OH1LSQ QRSS, F5WK WSPR

Jim, Michel, LF,

At last, I have played around with the Rx, filter, AGC & pre-amp settings &
I now have a decode of F5WK.

090117 2110  10 -22  0.0   0.137575  F5WK JN18 37            0     1    0
090117 2112  17 -15  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 2116  18 -13 -0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 2116   6 -24  0.1   0.137575  F5WK JN18 37            0     3    0

73, de Gary - G4WGT.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 17 January 2009 19:45
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: OH1LSQ QRSS, F5WK WSPR

Jim, LF,

Good copy of M0BMU as usual. I am seeing F5WK on the WSPR display but no
decode?

I have no idea what the 1870 is near the bottom?

73

Gary - G4WGT.

090117 1752  29  -4  0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1756  30  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1806  29  -4  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1814  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1820  27  -4 -0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1824  30  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1828  27  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1832  27  -6  0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1840  26  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1848  29  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1852  27  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1856  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1902  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1908  20 -13  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1914  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1922  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0  1870    0
090117 1928  27  -5 -0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1936  24  -8  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
Sent: 17 January 2009 18:21
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: OH1LSQ QRSS, F5WK WSPR

Dear Paul-Henrik, Michel, LF Group,

I just checked 136.8kHz, and OH1LSQ is a weak "M" copy signal here, just 
after dark. Will check again later.

F5WK appeared on my WSPR log at 1504utc, and has been solid copy since then.

In fact, the signal is audible here at about S3 or 4. DF6NM has also been 
copied until 1718.

I have now (1748utc) re-started the M0BMU WSPR beacon - any reports very 
welcome.

Cheers, Jim moritz
73 de M0BMU 




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T-Online eMailKlaus
Now qrv 136.8 khz de mal/g3kev

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  Hi Mal,
  try to be qrv from 21:00 z with my Ropex (136,52 kHz).
  Loc JN58 qb (nr Munich). Only CW - later in other modes.
  73=20
  DK1KH



    "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> schrieb:=20
    Will  there be anyone active on 137 this evening CW or qrs3.
    Take advantage of the DX season.
    mal/g3kev

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Mark, Jim, LF,

I'm seeing Jim's WSPR very well, and also hearing it, and at a reported
S/N ratio of anywhere between -7dB and +10dB. The strong periods are
very red on the WSPR waterfall, yet there's no trace of a 100Hz
artifact, so perhaps it's a spurious product in your RX/soundcard?

I've used both a vertical (my old TX antenna fed via a 9:1 balun) and a
Wellbrook ALA1530 loop, and get good results from both, but no trace of
any 100Hz sidebands/spurii

Coincedentally I'm also decoding MF DSC at the moment (2187.5) and have
seen decodes tonight from Shanghai Radio and COMMSTA, Miami, so 160m
should be pretty good too?

Cheers,

John



On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:36:49 -0000
"Mark" <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Jim, LF Group
> Fine copy on my grabber / WSPR decode, now I have re-centred the WSPR 
> decoder. I had to change it last week to decode someone..
> Interestingly  sometimes I am seeing an extra faint trace from Jim,
> almost exactly 100Hz up and it even decoded on one over. It is much
> weaker (at least 15dB down). An alias / mixing product on my system?
> or is anyone else seeing this?
> I am not seeing any extra signals on the DI2AM beacon, which is  on
> average 10dB stronger than Jim
> Also getting occasional decodes from G4WGT
> Cheers
> Mark GM4ISM
> 

> 


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Hi Nicolas,

 

I thought that call sign looked familiar. You are coming in at 1838.140 KHz
on my WSPR list.

 

I am on 1838.122 KHz with 5 watts.

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

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Subject: Re: LF: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight

 

Hello Jim i am tonight on 1838.040 kHz WSPR beacon with 2W.

 

F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP

Dear LF Group,

I plan to operate the WSPR beacon again on 503.51kHz +/- RF (0.502MHz "dial 
frequency") from around 2200utc. Any reports would be very welcome.  The TX 
will be on 33% duty cycle, so if anyone else wants to join in, I should be 
able to give reports too.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



 

 


 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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WSPR list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<br>
I plan to operate the WSPR beacon again on 503.51kHz +/- RF (0.502MHz
&quot;dial <br>
frequency&quot;) from around 2200utc. Any reports would be very welcome.&nbs=
p;
The TX <br>
will be on 33% duty cycle, so if anyone else wants to join in, I should be <=
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able to give reports too.<br>
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Cheers, Jim Moritz<br>
73 de M0BMU <br>
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No successful decodes last night. RX antenna still encased in ice and static levels were up...

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


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> Dear LF Group,
> 
> The M0BMU WSPR beacon went QRT just after 0900utc. Many thanks for all the 
> reports; for last night, so far this includes G3WCB, G3XVL, G3RMD, GM4ISM, 
> M0LMH, NL9222, F4DTL, F4EMV, F5WK, SQ7MPJ, TF3HZ and I2PHD - I think thats 
> it!
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU 
> 
>


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On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:28:07 +0200
Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi> wrote:

> LF, Hello!
> 
> Many thanks to all that have reported and suggested so far. I will
> reply to you later. I'm busy setting up and perfecting things at the
> moment :)
> 
> New QRG as suggested by Jim: 136.35kHz

Hello Paul-Henrik, LF

I've been out of the shack all evening, until now, but set Spec Lab up
to show the frequency in question earlier. I'll check the 5-minte
captures later, but I can confirm visual ID of your callsign in QRSS,
on a quick glance at the screen. I haven't had a chance to optimise
Spec Lab on the new PC installation yet, so I'm going to experiment on
your signal, if you leave it running....

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John
GM4SLV
 


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Dear LF Group,

The M0BMU WSPR beacon will be RX only while I go out to dinner - should be 
QRV again later tonight.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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What are you building with that high of a current rating? <br>
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Jim, LF,

Thanks for running the tests. Interesting results. Much slower QSB than
I expected. 

I found no improvement using a tuned pre-amp, so left it out of circuit
from about 2300.

I've just done some MDS tests on my R75 using various combinations of
external and internal pre-amp. It appears that the external tuned
preamp is of about the same MDS improvement as the internal "pre amp 1"
setting - the MDS is then (feeding in via a few antenna switches and a
h/b 500kHz LPF) -129dBm. The R75 with no pre-amplification measures
-124dBm. The R75 internal "preamp 2" improves the MDS to -133dBm, but at
the expense of perhaps linearity problems. 


IPO MDS = -124dBm
IP1 MDS = -128dBm
IP2 MDS = -133dBm

IPO + external tuned pre-amp MDS = -129dBm




I suppose the tuned pre-amp might be beneficial at reducing the
amplitude of any intefering strong carriers, so in the real world it
may be worthwhile.

I'll leave the WSPR running in RX mode today, on the off chance that
someone else might have a go during daylight hours. Dial freq. 136.000,
USB mode with a 250Hz IF filter, centred on 1500Hz (137.500 carrier)

Cheers,

John



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"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
> 
> Thanks for all the reports - The M0BMU WSPR beacon is still running,
> and will probably QRT at around 0100utc.
> 
> So far the reports this evening have been from (in no particular
> order) F1AFJ, GM4SLV, DF6NM, DL4YHF, F5WK, LA9BEA, F4DTL, DK6NI,
> G4FDD, F4EMV, I2PHD, G3WCB and IK1ODO. Many thanks to all - It is
> good to see some calls who are not previously "known" on LF.
> 
> I would be interested to try another 136k WSPR session during
> daylight - bearing in mind the long ground wave range on 136k, and
> the relatively low QRN during the day, I think results could be good.
> Perhaps this weekend.
> 
> John - your lack of trees is not such a bad thing on 136k, where they
> soak up a lot of your TX power. In the experiments I did about a year
> ago, I found that an inv L antenna that was nearly identical to the
> antenna I am using now except that it was in the middle of a field,
> was 24 times as efficient as my home antenna, which is surrounded by
> assorted trees and buildings ( it was 6 times more efficient on
> 500k). So you might not need a tall antenna to get a reasonable
> signal in your treeless landscape. True, I am also using quite high
> power, but then looking at the SNR figures on your spots, there is
> about 10 - 20dB margin over the minimum possible SNR for decoding. so
> you could probably get away with less power too.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU 
> 
> 


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Hello LF!
Big CW signal on 500.500kHz.

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Hello LF!<br>Big CW signal on 500.500kHz.<br><br>Lubos, OK2BVG<br><br /><hr=20=
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Thanks to all for the reports sent direct, through the reflectors and the 
'spots' sent to the WSPR database on Tuesday night. A large number of spots 
were recoreded from both the USA and EU. The biggest surprise was the almost 
continuous reception by GM4SLV with hardly a missed sequence over the 7 hour 
period.

Using the GM4SLV data from the WSPR database, I put together a simple chart 
of his received signal strength over the period. We all know how deep and 
quick the QSB can be on this band and the chart clearly shows this as well.

 http://www.w1vd.com/WE2XGRGM4SLV.gif

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 



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Hi Warren, hi Jim!

Thanks for Your replies!
This "icelandic" langue sounds amazing to my ears... :)

Last night (18./19.Jan.), after the "wow" expierence with a Q4-signal from 189kHz Hellissandur at 22:16UT, I was continuosely following the transmission from 23:29UT to 1:00UT 
(1:00UT wipe out caused by 177kHz DRM)

Signal was rather Q3 at the beginning of the period and rather Q2 at the end, the field strengh seemed to drop down over the timespan.

"Europe1" 183kHz switchoff at 0:03UT made it much easier to listen to.
It was amazing, how stable such a real DX on langwave can be. There where only 4 QSB-dips in the 91 minutes of observation, with only the last dip down causing loss-of-signal for two minutes.

I'd like to apply for a qsl-card from RUV :)

Have a sunny day!
Dennis






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> Datum: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:36:40 -0500
> Von: "Warren Ziegler" <wd2xgj@gmail.com>
> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Betreff: Re: LF: Iceland AM-BC 189kHz to Berlin: now strong (Q3)!

> Jim,
> 
>    Very nice for a TRF!
> Iceland is good here too, playing pop tunes in english at 00:35.
> RX Cubic 3280dsp
> Ant 2-turn K9AY (copied from F1AFJ's K9AY)
> -- 
> 73 Warren K2ORS
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John wrote:
> 1.9mhz - now what sort of signalling rate can you get on 160Gm?
>
> John F5VLF
>
>   
;o)
Need a pretty decent antenna length for that, right ?
And just consider the 1/f noise in the milliHertz receiver - use liquid 
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Subject: RE: LF: RE: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
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Hi Graham, LF,

I am using 2 - Fldigi for Olivia & MFSK, TrueTTY for PSK.

I note that the MFSK decodes poorly whilst the Olivia is Txing.

I will try using 3 - Multipsk later if you are still running the beacon as
it is almost meal time.

Gary - G4WGT.

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RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

Ok Gary,

Thats the first odd report hihi ...psk was not supposed to be better .......

! doesn't look well for decodes at range .. i will try and add a few more=20
watts ..

are you running  x 3 multipsk at once ? the beacon text is :-

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk

Tnx - G ..



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Subject: LF: RE: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON -=20
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Graham, LF,
>
> OK all copied here at varying percentages.
>
> MFSK8
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ea dKt  tp r=A2i=FAiik1kE Keonoe
> x'!etiwB Fa=F8oit"0i=FCTelt !cgne=CAW=A5 Dr gf ! la(  i:a =BEd=F5ie.Yp  a.=
t=A2 P=20
> ntiae=8Fyt
> rl k =A2gt s CDdo   bd
> CQ CQ V) DE...g0abd   8=A9x  ag0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ ..=B1t=DFnbd  g0n!d  g0nbw kkk =C4& =C4jt  =F6=CE  E.xg0nbd  g0nb=
d  g0nbd
> CQ CQ Jd  t E...g0nbd  yz0nbd   C=A9oLQ CQ DE.n ki=B1ngS =A7/  g0P%iKhk er=
 xu5ui
> i=B9a tyfbhttaq=3D  ih=C4iod  elmha n n E=A1tdi=A2nbeeue Ntotm=E2eNRxeca
>
> PSK31
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Olivia 8 x 250
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbj<"g0nbd  kkk z34QU
> @DK   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQXs[ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk Q cY9L,'6   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd
> g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  0}^)  g0nbd
> CQ C1@#Q DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk H1R7Y
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING=20
> NOW
> - 1615 HRS
>
> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in=20
> parallel
>
> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running=20
> on
>
> the same pc in beacon mode
>
> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference=20
> signal
> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>
> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>
> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>
> Running  3 mode beacon
>
> Dial set   502 khz usb
>
> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>
> 1250 hz   psk31
>
> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>
> Reports  welcome
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
> Io83LK
>
>
>
>
>



>
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Dennis wrote:
> This "icelandic" langue sounds amazing to my ears... :)

You can have more of it at www.ruv.is when the condx are down :-)

> I'd like to apply for a qsl-card from RUV :)

They do QSL! I sent an e-mail report with a short mp3 soundclip and got a nice
QSL in return via snail mail. The 189kHz station is sometimes Q5 here in the
winter. A K9AY antenna helps reducing QRM from the south.

73
Johan SM6LKM



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Hello Jean-Pierre, Uwe, and all;

Jean-Pierre Méré (F1AFJ) schrieb:
> If I understand well , I am very favoured not to have a more local QRN 
> ! for 9 months I systematically put at fault the jammer by making a 
> “tune” on 7 MHz before bringing the grabber into service each evening 
> ! The jammer was replaced and I am quiet ! But how long will that last 
> ? Now I manage to see the lines of the loran of Lessay (350km) in 
> qrss3 and they is super !!!!!
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
Ok, now I understand the importance of the "qro" even for weak signal 
work ;-)
Seriously, it's a small town, and I already use a neighbour's meadow for 
a remote VLF receiver (temporarily installed, with an UHF FM link to the 
shack).
I cannot expect to get permission for such experiments by beginning a 
"real battle" here, with either QRO or RegTP (german 'regulator')  
involved .

73,  Wolf .



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of those rigs for many years and would like to use it on 600 meters if
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Dear LF Group,

I shut the beacon down on transmit at about 1150utc. The receiver will 
remain on - currently receiving DF6NM.

Hope to be QRV again this evening - good luck to F5WK and friends!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Forgot to mention...

The correct TX frequency is 508510 (GPS disciplined).

Jay


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> John and group
>
> Thanks for the reports - I'm following the WSPR spot database.
>
> Transmitter power is actually 400 watts but that is not a choice in the pull down box. Wasn't 
> aware it supposed to be ERP. When the program originally came out a couple of us on 137 and 500 
> were using transmitter power so I've just continued that. ERP here would be about 40 watts.
>
> If you're interested, info on the linear amplifier in use can be found at 
> http://www.w1vd.com/9505MF.html . For non linear modes I use a combined pair of Class D amplifiers 
> at 1 kW. Info on that amp can be found at http://www.w1vd.com/137-500KWTX.html .
>
> Yes...500 kHz is quite a roller coaster as far as QSB is concerned - both on the long and short 
> haul. Transmitted WSPR about a month ago and got a few reports from EU but seems interest has 
> grown since then.
>
> Thanks again to all for taking time to look for the signal.
>
> Jay
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR/2 in WSPR mode
>
>
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Great to see you're receiving Jay too, now we need the others to QSY
>> up and join in, to get more data.
>>
>> I noice Jay you're reporting 500W - TX power NOT ERP presumably!
>>
>> That must quite a nice PA for almost 100% duty cycle at that power.
>>
>> I see some short deep QSB, dips lasting approx 3-4 minutes, and
>> relatively long periods of up to 12 minutes of good trace/solid
>> decodes in between.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:13:38 +0000
>> Chris McCarthy <chris.decibel@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jay,
>>>
>>> I will retune my RX from 502.4 to 507.0 dial freq at about 2200Z.
>>> Spots will be uploaded and appear at:
>>> http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=&sort=date
>>> It  be on all night.
>>>
>>> Chris, G3XVL
>>
>
> 



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Jim,

That looks to  of gone quite well , Gary has just wired me , there are some 
new stations sending in spots to
the wspr data base

only thing on the 504 signal .. the  quite zone looks to  be  only 100 hz 
wide , from  503.9 to  504
but I don't see any false decodes at the moment ( 2 hours running) so the 
splash is 'ok'

G ..

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> Dear Gary,
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> Should be fine with me - I expect someone will still be broadcasting on
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Hello Dmitry and LF
Yes ! it is WD2XGJ at 02:25 last night ( see picture )
73 qro Jean Pierre f1afj


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Hello LF,

I will run a wspr beacon on saturday's afternoon/night at the local radioclu=
b.
It's a portable like operation as the antenna has to be raised first,
hopefully the top load is already installed.

The transmitter is working in full FSK, therefore is able to run at 500
watts RF output (DDS + PIC controlled)
If weather's conditions are poor, output power will be lowered to 400 watts.
Calculated/guessed ERP around 250 mW

Frequency: 137577.77 Hz

Expected start at 16:00 UTC
Expected end   at 01:00 UTC

Reports are welcome, through this reflector or the WSPR Spot Database (the
club has a sometimes_working internet access)

73,

Michel Brunel / f5wk

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mal hamilton wrote:

> I already know all the answers. 

Yes, as you've told us many many many many times.....



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Thanks Marcus - Yes your right on the offset - Ill do the adjustment after c=
lose down -
=20
Im using a new (very) PC and attempted to cal using my normal methodology of=
 using JJY setting it to 59Khz and checking for a 1000Hz tone,  but this doe=
snt work on this machine. I have a global list of loran lines and indicated=20=
global clear areas that could be used on the spreadsheet http://www.kl1x.com=
/wwloran.gif which Ive been playing with so Ill use that to cal tonight. 839=
0 is the strongest and Ill concentrate on that. My second excuse (!) is Im u=
sing the SDR IQ and its long term freq stab isnt all that hot, especially on=
 HF using WWVH I can get up to 10Hz variation dependant on if I leave the un=
it on the window sill in view of the sun - now after the "divide by" it isnt=
 that bad down at LF.
=20
Really pleased to receive anything here given the semi industrial and "enter=
tainment" area in the City - the saving grace is the Golf Course one side an=
d that the antennae is us in the clear now. Another nice thing - if you see=20=
it my way, is all the satellite antennaes, LNB's cabling have been cut down=20=
by the local ministry, citing that they are illegal so I dont get any SMPSU=20=
hash or leakage there.
=20
Cheers.
=20
Laurence (waking up) BY3A-KL1X Bohai Bay China> From: markusvester@aol.com>=20=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:12:35 +0100> Subj=
ect: LF: Re: China grabber 137.777 for tonight> > Hi Laurence, LF,> > I have=
 tried to identify the LORAN lines in your display:> > GRI freq/Hz your dial=
> 8390 137 777.116 777.38 (strongest)> 8930 137 777.156 777.41> 7430 137 779=
.273 779.54> 9930 137 779.456 779.72 (weak)> 7950 137 773.585 773.86 (very w=
eak) (btw I never found this chain on 100 kHz)> > This would mean that your=20=
frequency scale is currently reading 0.26 Hz high. For comparison, the RN3AG=
C and F1AFJ grabber readouts > are fairly accurate. Thus "WPF" and "Y" do ap=
pear in China on their expected frequencies, whereas DF6NM produced only a s=
ingle dash > so far...> > Thanks very much for running your receiver and gra=
bber! We're sweating hard ;-)> > Best wishes,> Markus, DF6NM> > ----- Origin=
al Message ----- > From: "Ed RU6LA" <ed@dx.ru>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blackshee=
p.org>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:11 PM> Subject: LF: Re: China grabb=
er 137.777 for tonight: RA3YO DF6NM UA4WPF> > > Dear LF enthusiasts and Laur=
ence!> > On http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg now (20z)> RA3YO abt 137778,5> D=
F6NM abt 13777,7> UA4WPF abt 13777,4> traces only> > 73! Ed RU6LA> >=20
_________________________________________________________________
Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista=AE.=20
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Thanks Marcus - Yes your right on the offset - Ill do the adjustment after c=
lose down -<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Im using a new (very) PC and attempted to cal using my normal methodology of=
 using JJY setting it to 59Khz and checking for a 1000Hz tone,&nbsp; but thi=
s doesnt work on this machine. I have a global list of loran lines and indic=
ated global clear areas that could be used on the spreadsheet <A href=3D"htt=
p://www.kl1x.com/wwloran.gif">http://www.kl1x.com/wwloran.gif</A>&nbsp;which=
 Ive been playing with so Ill use that to cal tonight. 8390 is the strongest=
 and Ill concentrate on that. My second excuse (!) is Im using the SDR IQ an=
d its long term freq stab isnt all that hot, especially on HF using WWVH I c=
an get up to 10Hz variation dependant on if I leave the unit on the window s=
ill in view of the sun&nbsp;- now after the "divide by" it isnt that bad dow=
n at LF.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Really pleased to receive anything here given the semi industrial and "enter=
tainment" area in the City - the saving grace is the Golf Course one side an=
d that the antennae is us in the clear now. Another nice thing - if you see=20=
it my way, is all the satellite antennaes, LNB's cabling have been cut down=20=
by the local ministry, citing that they are illegal so I dont get any SMPSU=20=
hash or leakage there.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Cheers.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence (waking up) BY3A-KL1X Bohai Bay China<BR><BR>&gt; From: markusveste=
r@aol.com<BR>&gt; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>&gt; Date: Fri, 2 Jan=20=
2009 23:12:35 +0100<BR>&gt; Subject: LF: Re: China grabber 137.777 for tonig=
ht<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Hi Laurence, LF,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I have tried to identi=
fy the LORAN lines in your display:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; GRI freq/Hz your dial<B=
R>&gt; 8390 137 777.116 777.38 (strongest)<BR>&gt; 8930 137 777.156 777.41<B=
R>&gt; 7430 137 779.273 779.54<BR>&gt; 9930 137 779.456 779.72 (weak)<BR>&gt=
; 7950 137 773.585 773.86 (very weak) (btw I never found this chain on 100 k=
Hz)<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; This would mean that your frequency scale is currently=20=
reading 0.26 Hz high. For comparison, the RN3AGC and F1AFJ grabber readouts=20=
<BR>&gt; are fairly accurate. Thus "WPF" and "Y" do appear in China on their=
 expected frequencies, whereas DF6NM produced only a single dash <BR>&gt; so=
 far...<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Thanks very much for running your receiver and grab=
ber! We're sweating hard ;-)<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Best wishes,<BR>&gt; Markus, D=
F6NM<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ----- Original Message ----- <BR>&gt; From: "Ed RU6LA"=
 &lt;ed@dx.ru&gt;<BR>&gt; To: &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt;<BR>&gt; S=
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Hi Ko,
thanks. did you receive the signs without any QRN/QRM?
73
Uwe/dj8wx


Zitat von Ko Versteeg <nl9222@xs4all.nl>:

> uwe-jannsen@versanet.de wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>> dj8wx is xmitting at 135,975kHz in WSPR mode, pwr abt 50mWERP.
>> RX dial 134,475kHz (USB).
>>
>> regards
>> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
>
> Hi Uwe
>
> 2004 -23  0.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2008 -23  0.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2012 -23  0.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2016 -21  0.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
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> 73 Ko, NL9222
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Paul-Henrik, LF,

Nothing seen over a 1/2 hour period.


I've reset to WSPR monitoring and will leave this running, uploading
spots to wsprnet, for the rest of the day.

Still seeing DF0WD and M0BMU at around -12/-15dB

Regards,

John
GM4SVL



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> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:43:21 +0200
> Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi> wrote:
> 
> > Hello LF!
> > 
> > Transmitting CW ID + QRSS3 ID on 136.80kHz.
> > 
> >



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Dear Jay, LF Group,

I currently have 2 receivers running/uploading on 502.4 and 507kHz "dial 
frequencies". I will probably go to transmit later tonight, but am going out 
for an hour or two now.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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> John, Rik and group
>
> Confirming that WE2XGR/2 TX is up and WSPRing. Will continue transmissions 
> until at least 0000Z and probably beyond.
>
> Jay  W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
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>>I moved up to 507 too.
>>
>> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>>
>> Quoting John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:08:45 -0500
>>> <jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> WE2XGR/2 will be in WSPR mode tonight starting 2030Z on dial
>>>> frequency 507.000 kHz.
>>>
>>> Hello Jay, LF,
>>>
>>> I've just retuned, to 507kHz dial, at 20:00 - I'm hoping to catch the
>>> first of your tranmsit periods and will continue through the night.
>>>
>>> RX setup is identical to the last test, same antenna/pre-amp etc...
>>>
>>> Cheers and good luck
>>>
>>> John
>>> GM4SLV
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
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>>
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> 



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No change Gary, in fact I sent an amateur 2 valve bases a while back to get=20=
him going on 137 khz.
If you read my emails carefully all  that I am saying is that to date all mo=
des considered there has has been no improvement over normal CW or QRS and v=
ery economical with bandwidth and signal transfer between stations.

I have no objection to any mode being used as long as it does not swamp the=20=
band to the detriment of other band users. This past couple of nights one th=
ird of the available band of 3 khz has been occupied by olivia plus other da=
ta modes. ie 3 transmissions running parallel, this I do object to especiall=
y when I was having a QSO with G3XIZ and almost swamped out, however I do ha=
ve good selectivity and did manage but I think XIZ and his experimental DC r=
eceiver was having a hard time. A data transmission or any other mode using=20=
around 200 hz bandwidth would be acceptable most of the time.
To be reasonable I have one suggestion. If someone is compelled to use a 1 k=
hz wide mode then do it after say midnight for a few hours.=20
This reflecter has a big audicence and I get a considerable amounnt of priva=
te emails agreeing with observations that I am making, I also get a few that=
 disagree.

As regards helping others this is going on all the time, and I frequently re=
ply to requests for advice with all  aspects of LF and MF projects.
I also get help, recently as a  result of a discussion about preamps two oth=
er amateurs reading the mail sent me the required chips at no cost and likew=
ise I do the same thing.

Most radio amateurs on here do discuss or argue their point in a civilised m=
anner but you must have noticed how HOSTILE or ABUSIVE some get when their o=
pinin differs from others. They lose ther plot go off at a tangent and start=
  attacking the individual putting forward a point of view.

I am not against black boxes for certain applications and have used them in=20=
the past ie PK232 and KAM., computer systems sound cards with the appropriat=
e software. I have a NOV for BBS operations GB7KEV and shifted the east coas=
t main line mail for several years into Scotland and beyond using a V/UHF no=
de network and gateway also on HF for worldwide mail exchanges. Main modes P=
ACKET on V/UHF and Amtor/pactor on HF.
This business has almost gone now with the advent of Internet access for mai=
l and traffic exchanges. The black box is ideal for the mass transfer of mes=
sages which would be a chore on CW.
I hope you now understand my point of view.
73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV

=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:03 PM
  Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240


  Mal,

  =20

  I admit, not nearly as many as you.

  =20

  But why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don't do=20=
it your way it isn't correct.

  =20

  I would be much nicer to advise & help others, don't you think?

  =20

  I remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me & it was good advic=
e, I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT.

  =20


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sheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
  Sent: 03 January 2009 20:48
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: Re: RE: QRS 240

  =20

  29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your score.

  g3kev

  =20

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: Gary - G4WGT=20

    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

    Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM

    Subject: LF: RE: QRS 240

    =20

    LF,

    =20

    Oh my god, he's doing it on 136KHz now !!!

    =20

    Gary - G4WGT.

    =20


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    From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bla=
cksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
    Sent: 03 January 2009 20:22
    To: rsgb
    Subject: LF: QRS 240

    =20

    Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot !!!=
.Think how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB on r=
he carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1

    g3kev

    =20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No change Gary, in fact I sent an amateur 2=
 valve=20
bases a while back to get him going on 137 khz.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you read my emails carefully all&nbsp; t=
hat I am=20
saying is that to date all modes considered there has has been no improvemen=
t=20
over normal CW or QRS and very economical with bandwidth and signal transfer=
=20
between stations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have no objection to any mode being used=20=
as long=20
as it does not swamp the band to the detriment of other band users. This pas=
t=20
couple of nights one third of the available band of 3 khz has been occupied=20=
by=20
olivia plus other data modes. ie 3 transmissions running parallel, this I do=
=20
object to especially when I was having a QSO with G3XIZ and almost swamped o=
ut,=20
however I do have good selectivity and did manage but I think XIZ and his=20
experimental DC receiver was having a hard time. A data transmission or any=20
other mode using around 200 hz bandwidth would be acceptable most of the=20
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To be reasonable I have one suggestion. If=20=
someone=20
is compelled to use a 1 khz wide mode then do it after say midnight for a fe=
w=20
hours. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This reflecter has a big audicence and I ge=
t a=20
considerable amounnt of private emails agreeing with observations that I am=20
making, I also get a few that disagree.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As regards helping others this is going on=20=
all the=20
time, and I frequently reply to requests for advice with all&nbsp; aspects o=
f LF=20
and MF&nbsp;projects.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also get help, recently as a&nbsp; result=
 of a=20
discussion about preamps two other amateurs reading the&nbsp;mail sent&nbsp;=
me=20
the required chips at no cost and likewise I do the same thing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Most radio amateurs on here do discuss or a=
rgue=20
their&nbsp;point in a civilised manner but&nbsp;you must have noticed how=20
HOSTILE or ABUSIVE some get when their opinin&nbsp;differs from others. They=
=20
lose ther plot go off at a tangent and start&nbsp; attacking the individual=20
putting forward a point of view.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am not against black boxes for certain=20
applications&nbsp;and have used them in the past ie PK232 and KAM., computer=
=20
systems sound cards with the appropriate software. I have a NOV for BBS=20
operations GB7KEV and shifted the east coast main line mail for several year=
s=20
into Scotland and beyond using a V/UHF node network and gateway also on HF f=
or=20
worldwide mail exchanges. Main modes PACKET on V/UHF and Amtor/pactor on=20
HF.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This business has almost gone now with the=20=
advent=20
of Internet access for mail and traffic exchanges. The black box&nbsp;is ide=
al=20
for the mass transfer of messages which would be a chore on CW.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope you now understand my point of=20
view.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary -=20
  G4WGT</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:=
03=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240</D=
IV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">Mal,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">I=20
  admit, not nearly as many as you.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">But=20
  why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don=92t do it=
 your=20
  way it isn=92t correct.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">I=20
  would be much nicer to advise &amp; help others, don=92t you=20
  think?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">I=20
  remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me &amp; it was good adv=
ice,=20
  I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed,=20
  why?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">Gary=20
  =96 G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <DIV>
  <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><FONT =20=
   face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=20=
12pt">
  <HR tabIndex=3D-1 align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
  </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US  =20=
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</S=
PAN></FONT></B><FONT     face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US     style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> owner-<st1:PersonName     w:st=
=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName>=20
  [mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName     w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</st1:PersonName>] <B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </S=
PAN></B>mal <st1:City     w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:p=
lace></st1:City><BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B=
> 03 January 2009 20:48<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPA=
N></B> <st1:PersonName     w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:Per=
sonName><BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> LF:=
 Re: RE: QRS=20
  240</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">29 countries worked on 137 all on=20
  cw. What is your score.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">g3kev</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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RDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; MARGIN: 5pt 0=
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OM: medium none">
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"font-color: black">
    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=3DArial=
       size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FON=
T-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><S=
PAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A       title=3Dg4wgt@ti=
scali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary - G4WGT</A>=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT=
></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-=
FAMILY: Arial"> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org       href=3D"=
mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FO=
NT></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FON=
T-FAMILY: Arial">=20
    Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN><=
/FONT></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt;=20=
FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> LF: RE:=20
    QRS 240<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN =20=
     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=20=
Arial">LF,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN =20=
     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=20=
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN =20=
     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=20=
Arial">Oh=20
    my god, he=92s doing it on 136KHz now !!!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></=
P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN =20=
     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=20=
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN =20=
     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=20=
Arial">Gary=20
    - G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN =20=
     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:=20=
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <DIV>
    <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><FONT=
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 12pt">
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    </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20=
      style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From=
:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT       face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US   =20=
   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A       href=3D"mailto:o=
wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    [mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName       w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org</st1:PersonName>] <B><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf=20=
Of </SPAN></B>mal <st1:place       w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">hamilto=
n</st1:City></st1:place><BR><B><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:=
</SPAN></B> 03 January 2009 20:22<BR><B><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bo=
ld">To:</SPAN></B> rsgb<BR><B><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subjec=
t:</SPAN></B> LF: QRS 240</SPAN></FONT><SPAN       lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p><=
/SPAN></P></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Its hard to believe that someone=20
    on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot !!!.Think how long this would take f=
or a=20
    QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an I=
D. I=20
    could read it at qrs 1</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">g3kev</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
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2009/1/28 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:
> Hi Warren,
> capture xgj
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Yes that funny mode is 559 up here
using the mk1 lug 'an' speaker !

G ..

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From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:40 PM
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>
> Jim is 10 - 11dB SNR apart from the transmission at 1622 when there
> was a dropout of some kind in his signal
>
> Was about to say there's QRM on Jims signal (at 1639z), but its that
> funny on-off mode, decoding to his callsign  :-)
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/25 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
>> Dear LF Group,
>>
>> I have re-started the WSPR beacon on 503.5kHz (502kHz "dial frequency"). 
>> All
>> reports will be very welcome. G4JNT is still QRV - solid copy here of
>> course, with SNR plus a few dB.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>>
>
>



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Hi Jim

I tended to  see a better print from the wider system, but the propagation 
changed over the test, your original signal was quite audible from the loud 
speaker, in fact , would of been enough for a ssb contact !. both systems 
appeared to  print into the noise , this is a unnerving feature of the mode 
,  clear type from nowhere !

I'm not sure on the tone v bandwidth pay off, but a email to the code group 
may get a outline ?

Simon Brown's  drm780  has in the olivia mode a layered software search, 
that when enabled, array processes the recovered audio file and detects an 
olivia signal, giving the frequency offset and will apply this to  the tx . 
I'm not sure if it will detect the mode but may well do.

Best would test would to  simply run the two systems in parallel as the peak 
power required is not high to  ensure reasonable decodes /

Interesting night !

Graham,..

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>
> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>
> Thanks for our first QSO this evening. As keyboard-to-keyboard "chat" 
> modes
> go, this has to be the best I have experienced so far at LF/MF. The 32
> tone/1kHz sub-mode produced almost 100% copy provided the signal was
> audible - the somewhat slower 4 tone/250Hz setting was better still, only
> producing errors during short periods at the fading minima when the signal
> was completely inaudible and invisible on the spectrogram as well. I have
> always struggled to copy G0NDB before, but on this occasion we had a 
> fairly
> lengthy QSO without any great difficulty. I think the main practical
> difficulty for random QSOs would be knowing that there was a signal 
> present
> to decode - it would be sensible to have a calling frequency for future
> tests.
>
> I would agree that the 1kHz bandwidth sub-mode is too wide for routine use
> in the present 500kHz band. But it does not violate the present licence
> conditions, and I think it is an interesting experiment to see if a
> relatively wide-band mode is an advantage for selective fading conditions 
> on
> this band. Looking at the various menus in Fldigi, I see that Olivia can 
> be
> configured for any combination of bandwidth from 125Hz to 2kHz, and 2 - 
> 256
> tones (I tried it - you can have 256 tones and 125Hz, or 2 tones in 2kHz,
> although how well it works is another matter...). It would be interesting 
> to
> try back-to-back comparisons with varying parameters to test the
> possibilities of fast vs. slow, wide vs. narrow.
>
> Cheers, Jim moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
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Hello LF!
Station "AGC" has appeared at 13:45UT on my monitor (DFCW 137776.3).

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Thanks Victor,

The signal on your screenshot with the strange "hook" at the beginning 
is DF0WD (operated by DL4YHF).

Markus DF6NM noticed me in a PM about the effect. I don't know what 
causes it yet, but may find out next time when I'm at the club station.

73,
  Wolf  DL4YHF / DF0WD / DK4U (on LF)
   Loc: JO42FD
   QTH: Spenge near Bielefeld
   Guesstimated ERP: around 300 mW ... 400 mW, based on comparison with 
M0BMU .

victor13@online.nl schrieb:
> Hi all,very strong,audible signal at 137.5 KHz,
>
> 73
> Victor
> PA3FNY



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Hello Jim, LF

Thanks for the update and information. I have one question on your comments:

> of noise in the middle is where I switched to the E-W loop for a while. I=20=
am
> getting pretty consistent 10 - 15dB SNR in 0.3Hz bandwidth with the N-S lo=
op

Are you saying you can/could actually copy my CW-ident by ear? That would op=
en
yet another dimesion. So far I know my CW has only been copied by ear within=
 a
300km radius.

Best regards

Paul-Henrik

Quoting James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:

> Dear Dave, Paul-Henrik,
>
> It could well be due to the increasing level of sidebands from Lakihegy, a=
nd
> associated Luxembourg effect noises. The attachment shows OH1LSQ mostly
> received on a N-S oriented loop which nulls Lakihegy quite well. The burst
> of noise in the middle is where I switched to the E-W loop for a while. I=20=
am
> getting pretty consistent 10 - 15dB SNR in 0.3Hz bandwidth with the N-S lo=
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>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave G3WCB" <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
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> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:12 PM
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>
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> > Paul-Henrik, LF,
> >
> > 136.35 kHz is fine for me, it's probably just that the conditions may ha=
ve
> > changed. I'll continue to monitor 136.35 for the next few hours.
> >
> > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
> >
> >
>




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Hi Henny , Joe , LF ,
Nothing also
Jean-Pierre  f1afj


henny van elst a =E9crit :
> hi Joe and All,
>
> nothing seen,
> henny pa3cpm
> best 73s
>
>  =20

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Gary
I got a decode at 192600 15 -11 0.5 -98 0 G4WGT 1083 27
I hope this helps
mal/g3kev

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> LF,
>
> Regarding my WSPR settings, the power is not a correct evaluation at the
> moment. My Tx power is about 5 watts but the ERP will be very much lower &
> as I have not calculated it as yet I have just inserted -27dB.
>
> When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
> Sent: 25 January 2009 19:12
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
> Hi All,
>
> In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top part 
> of
> the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a 
> 200Hz
> slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
> 503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.
>
> My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 503.550KHz
> data.
>
> Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 25 January 2009 18:32
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
> John,
>
> Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move 
> to
>
> the band edge without problems
> clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down
>
> With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a 
> reasonable
> concept as it will allow other 'casual'
> monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post 
> needed
> to  announce a test !
>
> What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or just
> sleeping ?
>
> G ..
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:04 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
>> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>>
>> Oh no!
>>
>> Please let's not get into this again....
>>
>> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
>> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>>
>> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
>> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
>> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>>
>> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
>> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
>> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>>
>>
>> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>>
>> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>>
>> John
>> GM4SLV
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>
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Hello Markus, Jim, and all,

Markus wrote:

> Yesterday I did basically the same experiment using an audio filter, and saw no difference at all in decoding 
> ability between full SSB bandwidth and a 250 Hz filter. I concluded (perhaps prematurely) that there is no blocking effect present.
>
>   
I do confirm that there is a blocking effect in the WSPR decoder, but I 
am not really sure about the details...
> Today I did another test by injecting an audio carrier from the Speclab generator within the WSPR search bandwidth. The "wanted signal" was F5WK signal at 1577 Hz with -57 dB below ADC fullscale, displaying -15 dB SNR at the time. I found that at a 1450 Hz carrier at -20 dBFS completely blocked decoding, even though the spectrogram traces of the WSPR signal and the carrier both looked perfect. Reducing the blocking carrier to -30 dBFS seemed to reduce Michel's SNR to -20 dB.
>
> In hindsight, and with the information from Jim, I assume that the out-of-band interference levels in my first experiment simply have been too small to cause an effect. DCF39, the strongest daytime carrier, is attenuated by the SSB IF filter edge to about -34 dBFS at originally 3330 Hz, which is then downconverted to 2830 Hz for the WSPR computer. So I now also believe that decoding might possibly be prevented by a 25 dB larger signal anywhere in the audio band.
>
> I guess I will need to play more with this tomorrow.
>
>   
... similar findings here, but they are difficult to sort out. In the 
meantime I was able to improve the readability of Jim's and Michel's 
signal by *carefully* narrowing the IF filter, to give the decoder less 
out-of-band signal energy to chew on :

2152 -20  0.0   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2152 -21  0.1   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37
2158 -23 -0.2   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2158 -26  0.0   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37
  < at this point I modified the filter settings (*) et voila : >
2210 -14 -0.3   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2210 -12  0.0   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37
2216 -14 -0.1   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2216 -11  0.1   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37
2222 -11  0.1   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37

But drawing any conclusion may be premature - some neighbour may simply 
have switched off his local QRM generator.
My impression is that some processing stages within the WSPR decoder 
lack dynamic range, or the FFT has significant leakage, or some part of 
the calculation is done with short integer values (instead of double 
precision floating point values). The decoder is open source, but 
lacking any knowledge of the Fortran programming language, I won't try 
to understand the algorithms.

(*) what I did with the TS850 was switch back to SSB filters in both 
banks, but use the passband tuning to narrow the frequency range, 
carefully watching on the broadband spectrogram. The high-pitched tone 
from DCF and some other, "local" carriers are almost unaudible now, and 
WSPR seems to be happy about that.  Early today, on the club station, 
the narrow preselector in the LF transverter has done a similar job.

73,
  Wolf DL4YHF  ...-.-



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Rik, LF,

I failed to mention Dave's grabber is OK with me at :-
http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/

Gary - G4WGT.

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Dear all,

for various reasons (busy, antenna down due to construction) I haven't  
been active during the past 2 months.
Today I re-installed the (improved) antenna. The work paid off,  
antenna current is up from 2.4 A to 2.8 A.
But as I tried the grabbers some seemed to have gone or moved. G3YXM  
and GM4ISM are still where they used to be, but I couldn't find G4WGT  
and GM4SLV.
Googling them didn't help (lot's of hits but all to dead links).

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

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Hi!

Really nice radio reception of Hellissandur 189kHz AM now in Berlin! 
distance is 2505km
Power 300kW
RX: TRF with MK484-IC,
selection: one bandfilter and tuned antenna = 3 tuned cicuits

I admit that I was out on the balcony after local midnight last night.
Using a ladder and a looong fishing rod I managed to set up a wire loop 
from the balcony into the nearby tree with an estimated area 
of 30sqm (irregular shape), pointing Iceland.

Good night!
Dennis


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Mal,

Thanks for info, but I will be QRV on LF at Sunday morning at the same time
as Heinz, OE5EEP;

best  73 de Gerhard  /  DK6NI

 

 

  _____  

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von mal hamilton
Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 10:15
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: 137

 

Gerhard

Nil hrd so far at 0900 utc this morning. Now qrv on 136.8 khz cw

mal/g3kev

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Beckmann, <mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de>  Gerhard 

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 

Cc: 'H. <mailto:h_schnait@a1.net>  Schnait' 

Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:46 PM

Subject: AW: LF: 137

 

Hello Heinz,

 

I also will be QRV on 136.5 kHz next Sunday morning and try to call you (if
weather is not too bad regarding my outdoor-loading coil, hi) 

We had already some QSO's on LF some years ago (hi).

Hopefully that the LF-activities are increasing...

 

vy 73 de Gerhard  /  DK6NI

 

============================= 


  _____  


Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von H. Schnait
Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Januar 2009 16:49
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: 137

 

this should be 136.5kHz of course...

73 Heinz

Heinz Schnait schrieb: 

I will be QRV on 137.5kHz in regular CW on Sunday morning, abt. 08.00 -
11.00 UTC

Heinz, OE5EEP

 


  _____  



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N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for info=
, but I
will be QRV on LF at Sunday morning at the same time as Heinz, OE5EEP;<o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
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e Gerhard&nbsp; /&nbsp;
DK6NI<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>mal hamilton<b=
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Samstag, 24. Januar=
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10:15<br>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: LF: 137</span></=
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0900 utc this
morning. Now qrv on 136.8 khz cw</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span styl=
e=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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r:windowtext'> <a href=3D"mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de" title=3D"beck=
mann.erlangen@freenet.de">Beckmann,
Gerhard</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:windowtext'> <a href=3D"mailto=
:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_l=
f_group@blacksheep.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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c:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:windowtext'> <a href=3D"mailto=
:h_schnait@a1.net" title=3D"h_schnait@a1.net">'H.
Schnait'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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ent:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:windowtext'> Friday, January 2=
3, 2009 9:46 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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ubject:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:windowtext'> AW: LF: 137<o:p=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hello Heinz,<o:p></o:p><=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I also will be=20=
QRV on
136.5 kHz next Sunday morning and try to call you (if weather is not too bad
regarding my outdoor-loading coil, hi) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We had already=20=
some
QSO&#8217;s on LF some years ago (hi).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hopefully that=20=
the
LF-activities are increasing&#8230;..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
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d&nbsp;
/&nbsp; DK6NI<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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>Von:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; color:windowtext'> <a href=3D"mail=
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[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>H. Schnait<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Freitag, 23. Januar=
 2009
16:49<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"o=
n">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: LF: 137</span></=
font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>this should be 136.5kHz of course...<br>
<br>
73 Heinz<br>
<br>
Heinz Schnait schrieb: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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lack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I will be QRV=
 on 137.5kHz
in regular CW on Sunday morning, abt. 08.00 - 11.00 UTC<br>
<br>
Heinz, OE5EEP<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Hello LF,

I'm seeing really strong signals from G0NBD, and it was decoding
earlier, but now I seem to be unable to get a decode from what should
be a good string (positive S/N ratio) signal.

I see at WSPRnet that Graham is not being received by quite as many
stations as I'd have expected. I wonder if there's some strangeness
with the soundcard sample rates at either the TX or RX end? I've read
some reports that strong signals often don't decode, when weak ones are
fine, and sample rates are involved?

Graham, the signal is making it here, bright red on the waterfall, but
the last 3 periods have failed to decode. 

John


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Fine Jim,

Did you save a copy of the text ?

When you say the fec took longer to  recover , was that at the expense of 
missing text ?

I assume that the system is not quite as robust as  olivia if you where not 
seeing 100%
decodes? But at the data rate , that might be a miss observation ?

 I had a couple of qso's with olivia on 7 mhz last night  8x250 it did 
produce quite a good copy in qsb and recovered
very quickly .. may be a little wide for 7 mhz  but with the shaped 
modulation envelope,
very  little spread. the data rate is 'just' qso  speed

Thanks for standing by

Graham ..




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> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>
> Quite interesting to watch the two modes (BTW, the continuous text gives a
> much better comparison, thanks). At present, signal strength has improved 
> a
> lot, and both signals are clearly audible between fades, which are 20dB or
> more (see attachment). When near maximum, both modes print almost 100%; 
> the
> FEC version corrects the occasional error due to static cracks and pops, 
> so
> has fewer errors, but throughput is only half. When there are bigger
> crashes, errors appear in the FEC copy as well, and it seems to take 
> longer
> for FEC to "recover", so there are also more gaps in the copy, although
> probably less actual printed errors. It also seems to take longer for the
> FEC mode to recover after a deep fade. So the FEC does something, but in
> this implementation, not really what you want... I suspect it would be 
> more
> advantageous to go to the narrower-band Domino EX4 sub-mode rather than 
> use
> the FEC.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>



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Hello Jim, LFers,

I've got my 1200 foot longwire aimed at you and will be listening
and watching for any "whispers" coming across the pond.  I see
that Andy tried last evening, so he'll likely be on tonite too.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
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Mal, LF,

Thanks for the report Mal.

The best I can make of the ERP with the antenna current right at the bottom
of the meter scale, antenna dimensions & the ERP spread sheet is 2 mW ERP.

It has to be very low as my antenna is just a 9 metre vertical at the moment
with capacity hat & 5 watts Tx power.

I am very surprised & pleased that it is going so well. It just shows how
well this weak signal mode performs.

73

Gary - G4WGT.



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Gary
I got a decode at 192600 15 -11 0.5 -98 0 G4WGT 1083 27
I hope this helps
mal/g3kev

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> LF,
>
> Regarding my WSPR settings, the power is not a correct evaluation at the
> moment. My Tx power is about 5 watts but the ERP will be very much lower &
> as I have not calculated it as yet I have just inserted -27dB.
>
> When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
> Sent: 25 January 2009 19:12
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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>
> Hi All,
>
> In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top part 
> of
> the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a 
> 200Hz
> slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
> 503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.
>
> My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 503.550KHz
> data.
>
> Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 25 January 2009 18:32
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>
> John,
>
> Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move 
> to
>
> the band edge without problems
> clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down
>
> With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a 
> reasonable
> concept as it will allow other 'casual'
> monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post 
> needed
> to  announce a test !
>
> What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or just
> sleeping ?
>
> G ..
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:04 PM
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> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
>> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>>
>> Oh no!
>>
>> Please let's not get into this again....
>>
>> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
>> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>>
>> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
>> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
>> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>>
>> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
>> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
>> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>>
>>
>> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>>
>> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>>
>> John
>> GM4SLV
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>
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Hi Joe,
traces vo1na
Henny pa3cpm
73s
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Dear Hans-Albrecht,

good to hear from You.

But obviously You have missed us! In the Munich area DK1KH, DK6NI
(Erlangen), OE5ODL and me have been around in normal CW for one and a
half hour today (6. Jan 2009), 09.30 to 11.00 UTC! We even got a rapport
from Plauen by telephone.

HW?

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB


"Hans-Albrecht Haffa" <dk8nd@web.de> schrieb:
> Dear Mal,
> it seems for me, that Our band 136k is not anymore a challenge for us. I know that I have no more contacts 
> with DK 7 SU on Sunday morning, but now, as on new qth my station is qrv again I have tgried it little, 
> as there is nearly no activity in southern Germany. In good times there was qrss-cw and cw-activity 
> some times a week, and sunday morning too. I wish less beaconing, more experiments and two-way contacts.
> 
> 55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND
> near Stuttgart JN48HQ
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> > Gesendet: 12.12.08 19:59:57
> > An: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Betreff: LF: 137 khz
> 
> I listen on 137 khz at times for CW acty and have not hrd any for a 
> > long time. I do not listen for qrs.
> > A few years ago an effort was made to put out a good CW signal and I 
> > have worked 30 countries including Russia for example.Now is seems to 
> > be
> >  LAZY MANS CW ONLY. What has gone wrong ?
> > G3KEV
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Dear Graham, LF Group,

Monitored your beacon with 2 x Fldigi and 1 x Spectrum Lab. It is a bit hard 
to make a comparison, since the transmissions don't always overlap, and the 
signal level is constantly changing. (For future tests I would suggest a 
longer text would make for better comparison.) But the two modes seem 
roughly equivalent as far as likelihood of decoding successfully is 
concerned, although the MFSK8 has a faster throughput than Olivia, I think. 
Both were more or less 100% copy at the peaks of signal strength, and 
dropping out completely at the bottom of the dips. The QSB seems to be 
particularly fast at the moment, with signals sometimes dropping out 
completely and returning within 30s.

G4JNT says the Olivia signal looks brighter on a spectrogram... funny, for 
me it was the other way round...

BTW, re your earlier e-mail; both these modes are M-FSK modulation with 
constant amplitude (not if you TX both at the same time of course!), so no 
linear required in either case. PSK31 needs envelope shaping though.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Thanx Uwe, we will listen.
 
F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP


Hi Jim, Markus et all,

Im so sri I had to switch off the TX and  all other equipment so sudden,
but it happened somewhat like an accident in  the house (stairway fall).

dj8wx will be on the air agn from 1700UTC  until 2200UTC, qrg 135.975kHz,
mode WSPR, with abt 80mWERP (30mW  extra for Nicolas).

best  regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv





F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010

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mal hamilton wrote:
> Alberto if you understood the dih-dah code you would think different, it is 
> more skilled than an appliance black box, press button A or B etc.

I understand dih-dah-dih. I used it for many years when I was young.
I am licensed since 1966. But then I grew up and moved on.

73  Alberto  I2PHD



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On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:35:48 -0500
<jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:

> John, Rik and group
> 
> Confirming that WE2XGR/2 TX is up and WSPRing. Will continue
> transmissions until at least 0000Z and probably beyond.


1st decode at 21:22 -28dB

Some faint traces visible on prior periods.

Looking good for the rest of the evening,

John


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Were are now back to hostilities and abuse instead of sticking to the 
subject and having a poinnt of  view.
Let us all have your ANSWER.
G3KEV

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> mal hamilton wrote:
>
>> I already know all the answers.
>
> Yes, as you've told us many many many many times.....
>
>


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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:22:24 -0000
"Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Operators with correctly fabricated engineering elegant antenna
> systems and modest power levels have in fact crossed the Atlantic 

Gary, congratulations - a Transatlantic crossing on 2mW ERP - your
antenna must be correctly fabricated and elegantly designe - hi!

Great result!

John



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 No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz.

73 DJ1ZB


 "M0FMT" <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb: 
Hi Mal and LF

I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope detector. A
true CW man, I would have thought, should only entertain the use of a
Cohere detector!

Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a range
136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a
much lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.

http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm

73 pefmt


 


--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM


Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info from the
web.
g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


310113517964   E bay too

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
writes:
Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have
had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to
submit a cct I will await replies. This method was used successfully  at
Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to
MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.
Build one and have a QSO using this RX
g3kev




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&nbsp;"M0FMT" &lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt; schrieb:
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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top"  ><DIV>Hi Mal and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am disapointed in you Mal to be&nbsp;considering an envelope
detector. A true CW man, I would have thought,&nbsp;should only
entertain the use of a Cohere detector!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a
range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work
over a much lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A             href="http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm"          >http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 pefmt</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton
<I>&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:   rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"          >From: mal hamilton
&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR>To:
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21
PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone
construction. Not info from the web.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A   title=riese-k3djc@juno.com   href="mailto:riese-k3djc@juno.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow  >riese-k3djc@juno.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A     title=rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org   href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow  >rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 06, 2009
7:58 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Razor blade
RX</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" &lt;<A   href="mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net"   target=_blank rel=nofollow >g3kevmal@talktalk.net</A>&gt;
writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence
wire RX a while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To
give&nbsp;others the opportunity&nbsp;to submit a cct I will await
replies. This method&nbsp;was used successfully &nbsp;at
Coldiz&nbsp;and
other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Let us know how you would approach the
subject. This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time
were receicved on these bands.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Build one and have a QSO using this
RX</FONT></DIV>
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Hi agn Dave
After research I see u are AA1A in Main. You had fb copy on my signal, surpr=
isingly Jay saw nothing, although I had copied him OOO
Can you TX for a qso if so let me know when.
I often copy your signal on 500 khz audible and strong at times.WD2XSH/17. W=
e could possibly have a norm CW QSO.
Tnx agn for the photos and report=20
de mal/g3kev/IO94SH

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Mal,

  Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


  73s from Dave




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  Jay
  Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and agn=
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  It looks ok so far.
  mal
  g3kev


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Dear Wolf, LF Group,

I have not worked it out in detail yet, but I think ERP here is around 300mW 
with the lowered antenna, and 700mW with the antenna raised.

DL3ZID has not been visible here yet; I guess he is running QRP. I think in 
order to be displayed in the WSPRnet database, the message format has to be 
[call] [ locator] [power in dBm] - the last two are missing from the decodes 
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Hello Jim,

Thanks for the info. What is your actual ERP then, with the lowered antenna 
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Hi Lubos, hi LF group!

I'm still observing the RUV Radio Iceland AM transmitter on 189kHz from time to time. Nice to get a propagation feeling for this path :)

qrb Hellissandur -> Berlin city JO62RM is 2505km
rx-ant ab. 20sqm loop 10m agl
rx simple TRF

sample from "the night before" 30.Jan.9  0:12UT - 01:00UT
peak Q4, qsb down to zero, unstable all the time

sample from "this night" 31.Jan.9  0:04UT - 01:00UT
stable Q4, quite strong, only one "shallow" qsb for 2-3min to Q3

Seems to be consistent with Your observations.

Have a nice weekend
Dennis 
DL6NVC




 


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:27:05 +0100
> Von: Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Betreff: LF: XGL_WPF

> 
> Hello Warren, Anatolij, LF!
> There were quite different conditions as the one night before. Morning RX
> window was  not strong, but one FB window around midnight UT.
> XGJ is still running with low-power? UFB signal this night!
>  
> Lubos, OK2BVG
> 
















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From: "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
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GM4SLV wrote:
 
> There was much discussion on the WSPR forum on the merits or otherwise
> of this approach, in the HF sphere at least.
> 
> It might be easier if we adopted the same approach as is recommended
> for HF use - to report the actual TX power, not ERP.

This does not follow. On the HF bands the ERP is close to RF power, 
especially on the bands where WSPR is popular, and can therefore be 
used a a rough approximation. That is most certainly not the case on 
LF/MF. On 136kHz I have to run 800W RF to get 300mW ERP. Another 
station might need just 100W RF to achieve the same power. Although 
the ratio is smaller on 500kHz, there is still a huge discrepancy 
between the RF needed to achieve the same ERP for different stations. 
RF power is therefore meaningless.

Mike, G3XDV
==========


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Hello Henny , Joe ,
Also , only a few traces last night .
73 Jean-Pierre f1afj

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mal hamilton wrote:
> Correct Andy and it is a pity that it closed. I called you several 
> times on CW but you did not answer!!!!!!!!!!!! although I did hear a 
> BUZZ and a BANG from you and always wondered what you were doing hi
According to my log G4JNT was working CW  on 73kHz and a nice clear 
signal it was too.
We had several 73kHz CW QSOs starting on the 23rd August 1997.
Other stations worked G3GRO, G3KAU, G2AJV and G4GVC.

My first contact with G3KEV was 24th Feb 1998 and that was cross-band, 
my tx 137.2, Mal on 3570kHz.
So what did you call Andy on?

Regards

Peter, G3LDO


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Dear Mal, LF Group,

I don't know... but it was probably the same as the reason for which the 
73kHz band was withdrawn at about the same time that all the utilities which 
had been operating inside or near that part of the spectrum were 
decomissioned ;-)

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Does anyone know why 137 khz was chosen as an amateur allocation, in that 
freq area it is the most polluted part, clobbered at both ends by commercial 
high power transmitters... 



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sounds like i am  the only one polish station here on this group
so Happy New  2009 Year to all of you frm Poland
 
                            yours, peter, sq7mpj

btw.  2 days ago
 I've swithed  on  wspr beacon mode  for  approx. 1 hour on 7 mhz with  
37dbm  tx pwr  ( roughly 5 watts)
 Among others, i  have got report frm  VK4YEH  (-24db)  qrb: 15326 km 
Although  i  am using different wsjt modes
 for a couple of years i was impressed by this present observation  
(wspr performance)



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Copy on the grabber this W E :
YO , RU , NM , WPF , AGC , WX , DTL , XKO , XGJ ( enormous pile up ! )
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj


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Hi Andy, LF,

Just got a decode on new frequency but had not changed WSPR settings so it
will report incorrect for 1st decode.

Gary - G4WGT.

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Signal on 503870000mHz, 33% T/R cycle  being radiated now...


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/26 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
> Hello LF,
>
> I've retuned the RX setup to 502.400 and am awaiting signals.
>
> I have to be out of the house for a few hours soon, but (of course)
> everything will be left running and uploading to the WSPRnet database.
>
> Did we track down the mystery K1JT?
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:45:51 -0000
> "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>>
>> I think the sensible thing to do would be to try it for a while, and
>> see if people report problems.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>
>>
>> >
>> > Are we to  adopt  502.400 Hz  USB dial frequency for WSPR ?
>> > With  1500 Hz audio centre band tone.
>>
>>
>
>



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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:51:23 -0000
"mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

> LOOK AFTER would imply Appliance. Assume you are looking after
> Shetland mountain goat.jpg.   If you can milk the goat or dehorn a
> goat that would promote you from Appliance to Amateur operator goat.
> I am sure you understand the humour, its the best way that I can put
> it.
> 

Okay then.... 

I would be expected to deliver the kid, perform open heart
surgery on the nanny, castrate the billy.

I would be on 24/7 standby in case of goat illness or accident, but not
just for goats - I'd be expected to deal with sheep, elephants,
gorillas and terrapins as well. 

I'd have to look into the DNA of the ocelots and decide if the Maker
had slipped up while designing them, and if so come up with a breeding
plan to improve the stock, and make sure all the other farms appplied
the same cure too.  

I'd nurse along the last remaining dodos until Dodo-Switch-Over, then I
would have to rectify any genetic disorders with the new breed of fowl
that has been delivered to the zoo to replace the dead dodos.

I'd have to climb into the tallest treetops to inspect and repair any
ultra-high frequency ants I found up there. I have to make sure all the
feed dishes stay in place for various lynx.

I have to keep the deionized water supply nice and pure for the steam
cooled goat houses.

Milking and de-horning a goat is child's play. That's what the
apprentices do....



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Thank you, Victor.
Your receiving station is working very well t copy my QRP transmissions.

-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
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                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:56 AM,  <victor13@online.nl> wrote:
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>
> 73
>
> Victor


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Dear Jim,
thanks. seems 50mWERP is sufficient.
what abt your LF TX?
73
Uwe/dj8wx

Zitat von James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:

> Dear Uwe,
>
> 2008 -33  1.0   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
>
> First receive period = first decode!
>
> Cheers, Jim moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>





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Hello LF,

thanks very much for the nice comments - you can guess I feel a little exhilarated now.

But (like with all weak signals) it's the receiver who has to do most of the work. So many thanks again to Laurence, who managed to 
pull all our tiny little signals out of the Chinese noise background. Just like he did in Alaska, back in January 2004.

I guess, for me it was also a matter of lucky circumstances. I had a few days off work, and the weather had been dry and cold, so I 
could leave my fragile antenna in place. The partial discharge problems still present in the afternoon miraculously went away for 
the evening. With 220 W of RF, tonight's ERP was almost 0.8 W, which I had hardly reached before. The opening from here to BY lasted 
for about 1.5 hours, with the best half hour around 21:00 just barely sufficient to get a few consecutive dashes across.

Tomorrow at work I'll be in for some funny looks: Hey, and what did you do since christmas? Well I spent a few nights to send four 
bits to China...

Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM


----- Original Message ----- 
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Hi Andrey , Markus ,
Super your signal on the BY grabber !
Congratulations Markus !
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

Andrey rn3agc a écrit :

Hello Markus,
Accept my congratulations!!!

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV






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Thanks Henny!

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


>capture agc
>henny pa3cpm
>hny
>73s
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Dear Lee, LF Group,

Just spotted M0LMH in WSPR:

2238 -23  1.9   0.503918  0 M0LMH IO93 13

Welcome to the party, Lee!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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Dear Mal, LF Group,

Well, at least no-one on this reflector would dream of using abbreviated 
gibberish or poor grammar!

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On 06/01/2009 at 23:42 hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de wrote:

>No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz.
>
>73 DJ1ZB

Oh the bandwidth!

F5VLF





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OK Mal
=C2=A0
What actually is the challenge then?
=C2=A0
Just to make an RX using a razor blade as the guys in Coldiz did?=20
An Rx to receive AM broadcast stations on the Medium wave or Long wave BC ba=
nds?
I think that RX has been described previously in these exchanges.
Or are you asking for one to be actually made and demonstrated?
Or do you just want a shopping list of things to be stolen of their captors=20=
to make the RX? Together with a technical description of how the whole thing=
 works?=C2=A0
Shopping list like:- Razor blade, wire, telephone earpiece, pencil, safety p=
in, sliver paper for cap etc? But in more detail, the razor blade being a bi=
t of a Red Herring because most oxides on metal surfaces will exhibit a none=
 linear conduction characteristic required for=C2=A0AC rectification e.g the=
 rusty nail effect beloved by the old C&G RAE..=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Or have you got a "Smart Alec" solution?=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Please specify!
=C2=A0
Regards 73 Petefmt

--- On Wed, 7/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:38 AM

Please answer the question.  I did not ask if it could be used on 500 at=20
present., but if so one would TX using MCW or Keyed Tone and old spy tric.
g3kev

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


> Mal,
>
> I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector
when I
> was 14 years old.
> It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor=20
> detector.
> And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
>
> Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
>> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I
>> have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the
>> opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was
>> used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC
>> broadcasts.
>> Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable
>> to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these
>> bands.
>> Build one and have a QSO using this RX
>> g3kev
>>
>
>
>
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>
>


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<DIV>OK Mal</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>What actually is the challenge then?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Just to make an RX using a razor blade as the guys in Coldiz did? </DIV=
>
<DIV>An Rx to receive AM broadcast stations on the Medium wave or Long wave=20=
BC bands?</DIV>
<DIV>I think that RX has been described previously in these exchanges.</DIV>
<DIV>Or are you asking for one to be actually made and demonstrated?</DIV>
<DIV>Or do you just want a shopping list of things to be stolen of their cap=
tors to make the RX? Together with a technical description of how the whole=20=
thing works?&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Shopping list like:- Razor blade, wire, telephone earpiece, pencil, saf=
ety pin, sliver paper for cap etc? But in more detail, the razor blade being=
 a bit of a Red Herring because most oxides on metal surfaces will exhibit a=
 none linear conduction characteristic required for&nbsp;AC rectification e.=
g the rusty nail effect beloved by the old C&amp;G RAE..&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Or have you got a "Smart Alec" solution?&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Please specify!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Regards 73 Petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 7/1/09, mal hamilton <I>&lt;g3=
kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Sub=
ject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: We=
dnesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:38 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Please answer the question. =20=
I did not ask if it could be used on 500 at=20
present., but if so one would TX using MCW or Keyed Tone and old spy tric.
g3kev

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Rik Strobbe" &lt;Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;
To: &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt;
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


&gt; Mal,
&gt;
&gt; I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector
when I
&gt; was 14 years old.
&gt; It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor=20
&gt; detector.
&gt; And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.
&gt;
&gt; 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Quoting mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I
&gt;&gt; have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the
&gt;&gt; opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was
&gt;&gt; used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC
&gt;&gt; broadcasts.
&gt;&gt; Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable
&gt;&gt; to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these
&gt;&gt; bands.
&gt;&gt; Build one and have a QSO using this RX
&gt;&gt; g3kev
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
&gt;
&gt;


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At 21.01 06/01/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Markus, hi group!
>
>Thank you Marcus for mentioning the "Luxemburg effect".
>Yes I had a rough idea that its somekind of cross modulation in the 
>ionosphere,
>when a strong signal is present.
>
>Now I want to know more. Using a search engine for half an hour, I'm 
>not satisfied with the infos.
>How does this interaction, modulation take place, where is the nonlinearity?
>
>Do You know useful links or even a book to read about it?
>
>Thank You!
>Have a nice evening
>Dennis

Dennis,

the Luxemburg effect was discussed here in 1999 and 2003 :-) - this 
group has a long history.

I attach a ZIP containing several messages from that time; you will 
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73 Lubos, OK2BVG

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Paul-Henrik, LF,

Here's a shot of your QRSS at 2235 UTC

Nice work!

(ps I saw you remotely re-tune my RX while I was watching for your
QRSS... I guess you heard nothing via the mp3 stream?)

Cheers

John 

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Hi Dave as Jim said DCF9 see Steve Dove's site
http://www.w3eee.com/dc_graph.html

It is copiable in the States every night. Some archive copies of Steves plot
are on my propagation report archive page (4 days)
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/archive.htm

Daily (almost!) LF/MFreport propagation report
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/latest.htm

Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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I have a sig ( carrier with quick break ) on 138.830 ( dcf39??) that is 30db
above my noise and it keys a carrier with a break about every 10 seconds
with occasional short breaks, something like NIST on 60kc. but slower...

What do I have??

Where is best QRG for collecting EU ham sigs??



TNX

Dave - WD2XSH/17





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Hi Jim,
Confirming your QRO : at least 4 dB more SNR here, using indoor loop, 
same as last time.

2318 -12  1.1   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27

Cheers,
  Wolf  DL4YHF
 (possibly active from DK4U / DF0WD on 136 kHz tomorrow morning, if wx 
permits)

James Moritz schrieb:
> Dear LF Group,
>
> Am now running the WSPR beacon again on 136.0kHz "dial frequency", 
> 137.500kHz RF out, 33% TX. I have temporarily raised the centre of the 
> span of my antenna up to 15m (return of the cherry-picker) and tweaked 
> the impedance matching a bit, so should have an extra 3-4dB of signal 
> tonight (assuming the wind doesn't get up and I have to lower it down 
> again). Any reports will be very welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>



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Hi Jean-Pierre,

in this case I'm quite sure it was indeed Luxembourg effect. My narrowband TA grabs suffered from the same noise-like pattern from 
2:10 to 3:00, arriving from north. For me, the most prominent heater seems to be Deutschlandfunk 549 kHz (about 70 km north of me), 
which apparently carried significant audio components near 1050 Hz during this period. The same program content is also sent by 
Donebach 153 kHz which is closer to your path from DCF39, and by Aholming 207 kHz in eastern Bavaria which might have enhanced the 
effect toward Lubos.

Sometimes (but not in this case) I can see the same modulation patterns below DCF39 and above HGA22. These seem to be mostly caused 
by 225 kHz from Poland.

Re KL1X/BY: Last night, I again had two or three bright spots on the right frequency and at the right time, but nothing readable.

Best wishes

Markus,
DF6NM in Nuernberg, JN59NK

----- Original Message ----- 
From: ""Jean-Pierre MÃ©rÃ© (F1AFJ)"" <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
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Hello Markus , Lubos ,

Markus Vester a Ã©crit :

> ... the strong noise bands were caused by Luxembourg effect (ionospheric crossmodulation) from a strong LF or MF broadcasting 
> transmitter onto the DCF39 carrier. When the "heater" is modulated by music, the spectrum often shows distinct bands related to 
> the tones of the musical scale. Attached is a grabber snapshot just after 2:10, with DF colours rotated to bluegreen. The band 
> near 137.78 kHz is clearly visible.

huummmm ! Markus , I do not think that it is of â€œ Luxembourg effectâ€
because at the same time when Lubos and me
noted the phenomenon, I were in direction of 295 Â° (the USA) in this
direction I never noted of â€œ Luxembourg effectâ€
I thus think that it came besides !!!! ??????

> Despite some distant QRN, very good signals from XKO and WD2XKO were visible through most of the night, with the last "J" coming 
> through as late as 9:15.

Here I copied it until passed 9:30 ( see on my grabber )

>
> Markus, DF6NM

Have you could see your signal on the grabber of Laurence in China ?

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj




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Henny, Victor, Lubos,

  Thank you for the captures!

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2009/1/31 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:
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> nice capture xgj
> henny cpm
> 73s
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I am back from vacation and now monitoring...if anyone wants to run a cross the 
pond attempt just let me know where they want my dial frequency

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Thanx very much Markus for this first LF contact.  
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Hello Paul-Henrik, Mal,

the QRSS-3 "TT"s from OH1LSQ on 136.35 kHz are also clearly visible here.

The long 100 s dashes on 136.309 are from myself, sending DFCW "NM" in the hope to print on Laurences BY grabber again. This is 
currently monitoring a 136305.5 to 136311.5 Hz window.

 73 de Markus, DF6NM

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I can see this signal but no ID. Some one has just sent 2 long dashes.
mal/g3kev




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A spread spectrum transmission has appeared on 500 khz, spreading nearly 2 k=
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Markus Vester wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> 
> just installed WSPR 1.01, and read your signal on first try:
> 
> 1952 -26  1.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 1956 -22  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 
> Is it possible to tell WSPR to listen on a different audio center 
> frequency, other than 1500 Hz?  At the moment, I have to workaround with 
> SpecLab on another PC converting from 2000 Hz.
> 
> Kind regards
> Markus, DF6NM

Hello Marcus

You made it ;-)
090111 2016  11 -21  1.2   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23           0     2    0

73 de Ko, NL9222   [ PA8SWL ]












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Hello Nicolas,
never copied your signal so good as this evening -> see attached picture
from 21UTC.=20
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vy73
Marco
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Rx: FT-857, G0MRF Preamp and PA0DRT Miniwhip

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Hello my friends,tonight im beaconing DTL on 137775 QRSS60.
=20
F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
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How would you make the earphone, what bits would you use. How exactly would=20=
you use the razor blade, edge, broadside, for actual connection in cct and h=
ow would you tweak it for max sensitivity. Dont know why you ask about AM, M=
F LF etc. This sort of device is not likely to be any good on vhf.
I already know all the answers. I am  asking you and others how would you do=
 it. So far no one has described how to to build one and set it up.
A telephone earpiece is not on the shopping list. You have to describe how t=
o make it. I will give you a clue, its a hiZ device, not like modern types.=20
You have no junk box, you have to gather up the pieces lying around or would=
 find in a trench or P0W camp.=20
I can see now why noone could pass an examination except it was multiple cho=
ice type with all the  answers in front of the canditate=20
g3kev
=20

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: M0FMT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:44 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


        OK Mal

        What actually is the challenge then?

        Just to make an RX using a razor blade as the guys in Coldiz did?=20
        An Rx to receive AM broadcast stations on the Medium wave or Long wa=
ve BC bands?
        I think that RX has been described previously in these exchanges.
        Or are you asking for one to be actually made and demonstrated?
        Or do you just want a shopping list of things to be stolen of their=20=
captors to make the RX? Together with a technical description of how the who=
le thing works?=20
        Shopping list like:- Razor blade, wire, telephone earpiece, pencil,=20=
safety pin, sliver paper for cap etc? But in more detail, the razor blade be=
ing a bit of a Red Herring because most oxides on metal surfaces will exhibi=
t a none linear conduction characteristic required for AC rectification e.g=20=
the rusty nail effect beloved by the old C&G RAE.. =20

        Or have you got a "Smart Alec" solution?=20

        Please specify!

        Regards 73 Petefmt

        --- On Wed, 7/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

          From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
          Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
          To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
          Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:38 AM


Please answer the question.  I did not ask if it could be used on 500 at=20
present., but if so one would TX using MCW or Keyed Tone and old spy tric.
g3kev

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


> Mal,
>
> I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector
when I
> was 14 years old.
> It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor=20
> detector.
> And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
>
> Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
>> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I
>> have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the
>> opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was
>> used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC
>> broadcasts.
>> Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable
>> to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these
>> bands.
>> Build one and have a QSO using this RX
>> g3kev
>>
>
>
>
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>
>


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How would you make the earphone, what bits=20=
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connection in cct and how would you tweak it for max sensitivity. Dont know=20=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I already know all the answers. I am&nbsp;=20=
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ild=20
one and set it up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A telephone earpiece is not on the shopping=
 list.=20
You have to describe how to make it. I will give you a clue, its a hiZ devic=
e,=20
not like modern types. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You have no junk box, you have to gather up=
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pieces lying around or would find in a trench or P0W camp. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I can see now why noone could pass an exami=
nation=20
except it was multiple choice&nbsp;type&nbsp;with all the&nbsp; answers in f=
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of the canditate </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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        <DIV>OK Mal</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>What actually is the challenge then?</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Just to make an RX using a razor blade as the guys in Coldiz di=
d?=20
        </DIV>
        <DIV>An Rx to receive AM broadcast stations on the Medium wave or Lo=
ng=20
        wave BC bands?</DIV>
        <DIV>I think that RX has been described previously in these=20
        exchanges.</DIV>
        <DIV>Or are you asking for one to be actually made and=20
        demonstrated?</DIV>
        <DIV>Or do you just want a shopping list of things to be stolen of t=
heir=20
        captors to make the RX? Together with a technical description of how=
 the=20
        whole thing works?&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Shopping list like:- Razor blade, wire, telephone earpiece, pen=
cil,=20
        safety pin, sliver paper for cap etc? But in more detail, the razor=20
        blade being a bit of a Red Herring because most oxides on metal surf=
aces=20
        will exhibit a none linear conduction characteristic required=20
        for&nbsp;AC rectification e.g the rusty nail effect beloved by the o=
ld=20
        C&amp;G RAE..&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Or have you got a "Smart Alec" solution?&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Please specify!</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Regards 73 Petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 7/1/09, mal hamilton=20
        <I>&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE           style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;=20=
BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:=20
          mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF: Raz=
or=20
          blade RX<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Wednesday, 7=
=20
          January, 2009, 11:38 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Please answer the question.  I=
 did not ask if it could be used on 500 at=20
present., but if so one would TX using MCW or Keyed Tone and old spy tric.
g3kev

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Rik Strobbe" &lt;Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;
To: &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt;
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


&gt; Mal,
&gt;
&gt; I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector
when I
&gt; was 14 years old.
&gt; It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor=20
&gt; detector.
&gt; And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.
&gt;
&gt; 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Quoting mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I
&gt;&gt; have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the
&gt;&gt; opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was
&gt;&gt; used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC
&gt;&gt; broadcasts.
&gt;&gt; Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable
&gt;&gt; to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these
&gt;&gt; bands.
&gt;&gt; Build one and have a QSO using this RX
&gt;&gt; g3kev
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
&gt;
&gt;


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In a communications context one does not have to be exact. There are 
international abbreviations that all radio communicators understand and use 
but at schools and colleges one does expect the tutors and students to be 
more exact in their choice of word selection and spelling plus grammar.
There are two words currently doing the rounds KINDA and LOADS. Take these 
two words away from some persons vocabulary and they  would be 
SPEECHLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would say in a UK context that going back to the 1950/60 period several 
good O levels would equate to a university degree today.
The college that  I attended one had to sit 10 O levels and pass all at 
once. If there was a failure in one subject there was no certificate, this 
was probably too severe but there were no other options.
Changed times now where a subject can be taken bits at a time, perhaps this 
is more sensible.
The French would say the way you walk is IMPORTANT they like a well 
presented swagger!!

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> Hello All,
>
> This are fine examples of dyslexia, a far more common problem than
> generally known.
> It has nothing do to with intelligence as such, as some of the most gifted
> persons on earth "suffered" from it.
> One example that springs to my mind was Winston Churchill.
>
> Text control won't help much as "there" and their" are genuine English
> words.
>
> Reading and writing is a skill just like walking.
> You won't judge someone's intelligence by the way he walks, won't you!
>
> Best regards,
> Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt
>
> (And yes, dyslexia is part of my daytime job!)
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In a message dated 07/01/2009 18:06:29 GMT Standard Time,  
g3kevmal@talktalk.net writes:

More ABUSE about a person who asked a simple question about how  those during 
WW2 managed to improvise and build a simple xtal set to receive  allied news 
transmissions and German transmissions getting their news.Apart  from the 
technicalities and innovation think of the moral aspect. If  caught one could be 
exterminated.  
Please act like a Gentleman and let us have your opinion. What would you  do.



--------------
Mal
 
I don't HAVE an opinion on the question and I wouldn't do  anything because 
my days of having any desire to make wireless sets from rusty  razor blades, 
bits of wet string, or whatever else I might find in a trench, are  long gone 
and I don't care if others can or can't do it either.
 
I have no problem with the question being asked and would have no problem  
with a sensible discussion on the same but, yet again, it's not about the  
asking of a simple question, it's about your rantings that result from any  attempt 
to answer and to use anything that suits you to belittle those who  respond.
And that's even before considering which way the razor blade should be  
oriented within the pyramid for optimum reception!
 
It might surprise you to hear, not that I suppose it matters much,  that I do 
respect your obvious ability when it comes to CW and your apparent  ability, 
albeit much self publicised, when it comes to your  constructional skills, but 
the continuous bleating about your way being  the ONLY way really is a pain 
in the back end.
 
Why do you find it so difficult to accept, as all the rest of us have  to, 
that there will be skills and interests you don't posess that are as  equally 
valid as yours, that don't detract from yours, but aren't inferior to  yours 
either?
 
regards
 
Nigel
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  <DIV>More ABUSE about a person&nbsp;who asked a simple question about how=20
  those during WW2 managed to improvise and build a simple xtal set to recei=
ve=20
  allied news transmissions and German transmissions getting their news.Apar=
t=20
  from the technicalities and innovation&nbsp;think of the moral aspect. If=20
  caught one could be exterminated. &nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Please act like a Gentleman and let us have your opinion. What would=20=
you=20
  do.</DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>--------------</DIV>
<DIV>Mal</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I don't&nbsp;HAVE an opinion on the question and&nbsp;I wouldn't do=20
anything because my days of having any desire to make wireless sets from rus=
ty=20
razor blades, bits of wet string, or whatever else I might find in a trench,=
 are=20
long gone and I don't care if others can or can't do it either.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have no problem with the question being asked and would have no probl=
em=20
with a sensible&nbsp;discussion on the same but, yet again, it's not about t=
he=20
asking of a simple question, it's about your rantings that result from any=20
attempt to answer and to use anything that suits you to belittle those who=20
respond.</DIV>
<DIV>And that's even before considering which way the razor blade should be=20
oriented within the pyramid for optimum reception!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It might surprise you to hear, not that I suppose it&nbsp;matters much,=
=20
that I do respect your obvious ability when it comes to CW and your apparent=
=20
ability, albeit much self publicised,&nbsp;when it comes to&nbsp;your=20
constructional&nbsp;skills, but the continuous bleating about your way being=
=20
the&nbsp;ONLY way really is a pain in the back end.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Why do you find it so difficult to accept, as all&nbsp;the rest of us h=
ave=20
to, that there&nbsp;will be skills and interests you don't posess that are a=
s=20
equally valid as yours, that don't detract from yours, but aren't inferior t=
o=20
yours either?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>regards</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Nigel</DIV>
<DIV>GM8PZR</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Tx bandwidth  and out of band signals ,

Well after picking up the toys from around the cot and tidying up  the baby 
finally  fell asleep ,silence finally ensued, a little familiarisation with 
the way the radio works may help, just because the  rx dial  displays a 
frequency out side the allocated band, doesn't actually mean the signal is 
out side the band .. its all to do  with filter shape factor  and the 
placement of the filter .... bit like dougle asking farther ted, are all the 
cows in the field the same size as his little plastic toy one... no dougle, 
this ones in your hand  and those are far away , right ted came the quick 
reply .from a still confused dougle .


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Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq

>
> OM
> Your transmission is outside the band limit, spreading to 504.6 khz.
> I can see why OFCOM are concerned about stricter control concerning data
> mode bandwidth.
> g3kev
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>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
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>> centre frequency  503 khz
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>> tx mode usb
>>
>> power 30 watts tune signal
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>> Will send for next few hours
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Hi All,
capture who?

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Direct soundcard to LF upconverter; image reject mixer with allpass
phase network for a few hundred Hz bandwidth.

           http://www.g4jnt.com/LFUpconv.pdf

Around 40dBc sideband rejection, so a bit marginal for the
perfectionist but probably difficult to do very much better without an
awful lot of phase and amplitude tweaking.

Andy  G4JNT
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Tnx to all those replying. Will have to make a trip to Farnell Leeds its che=
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Oh dear  .. in there lies a problem ..pity you could not tx on 504.005 
carrier ...

G ..

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>
> WE2XGR/2 will be transmitting in WSPR mode tonight starting 2200Z on a 
> dial
> frequency of 507.000 kHz.
>
> Reports are appreciated.
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
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M0BMU @  -15 DB

G ..

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>
> Hi John,
>
> I'm certainly pleased to read that! Thanks a lot.
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> 73, Markus
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello Markus,
>
> 1st decode
>
> 2314    -23dB
>
> WSPRnet spot page gives QRB as 1444km!
>
> Cheers!
>
> John
> GM4SLV
> IP90gg
>
>
>



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Hello LF,

I'm decoding WSPR from DD7PC on 137.5 (dial freq 136.0) but the decodes
are not correctly formed, for beacon transmissions:

2008  -26  0.2  0.137501  0  DD7PC   DJ


No locator 4 figures and no power (dBm)

These spots aren't being uploaded to WSPRnet, or at least they aren't
appearing there...

I anyone else seeing this signal? The callsign is familiar, but the
format of the messages isn't! 

Is this "QSO mode?" He seems to be sending evey alternate 2-minute
period, whereas WSPR in beacon mode is more random, and not as frequent.

Cheers

John
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Joe what is your exact TX freq these days on 184 and are you using QRSS60?

Many thanks,

Vernon - VE1VDM






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Paul-Henrik, LF,

I was definitely seeing traces of your signal around 1900 utc before you
QSYd. See attached screengrab.

No sign ot the QRSS3 on 136.35, yet.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Paul-Henrik
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ


Danke Markus!

I'm so positively surprised and if I had a bottle of Champagne it would be
open
now. These are very encouraging reports. Perhaps time to start building a
more
powerful transmitter now. The antenna is about as good as it gets on this
property. An elevated loading coil could be worth a try though as the
vertical
wire is very near one of the supporting trees and I suspect some of that
highly
needed ERP is wasted in it.

Will keep the signal coming for a few more hours, the PSU seems to do the
job
(PSU for my old retired Yaesu FT-250).

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>:

> ... this it what it looked like here at 20:18. Nice job with 20 mW!
>
> 73 - Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:18 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
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>
> Dear Paul-Henrik, LF Group,
>
> Now building up to "O" copy...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>




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... the strong noise bands were caused by Luxembourg effect (ionospheric crossmodulation) from a strong LF or MF broadcasting 
transmitter onto the DCF39 carrier. When the "heater" is modulated by music, the spectrum often shows distinct bands related to the 
tones of the musical scale. Attached is a grabber snapshot just after 2:10, with DF colours rotated to bluegreen. The band near 
137.78 kHz is clearly visible.

Despite some distant QRN, very good signals from XKO and WD2XKO were visible through most of the night, with the last "J" coming 
through as late as 9:15.

Kind regards
Markus, DF6NM

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Hello Lubos and LF,

Very interesting this observation, I also thought me of local QRM !
Very great activity on 137 Khz, (the grabber of Laurence in China made in true "catch"! )

73 qro JeanPierre f1afj

Lubos OK2BVG a écrit :
Jean-Pierre, LF!
I had thought, that it was local noise, but then I saw it on your grabber as well. This noise started 02:10 and stoped 03:05UT.

73, Lubos, OK2BVG

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Hans
This was the original proposal also in the UK, to keep the band traditional 
only CW but somehow OFCOM deviated from the guidelines and permitted 
bandwidth consuming data modes. Not enough consultation here in the UK I do 
not recall RSGB consulting members about preferences.
I also understand from conversations discussed on HF that five other 
countries are prepared to issure licences but CW telegraphy only.
Hopefully this is the case. There is ample room on other amateur bands for 
data modes, this also applies to 137 khz where the bandwidth is also limited 
to a few khz.


G3KEV

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gm all,
fwg just rd fm radio-officers@googlegroups.com

begins

According to a message in NRRL-HQ bulletin QST-LA0309, the Norwegian PTT 
supports the views of NRRL that the historic significance of 500 kHz should 
be kept alive through use of its primary mode Morse telegraphy, and has 
granted a preliminary permission for Norwegian radio amateurs to operate on 
a secondary basis in the frequency band 490 – 510 kHz using A1A only. The 
preliminary permission runs until the results from WRC2011 is known. 
Detailed regulations for operation in this narrow segment are under 
preparations by NRRL and the Norwegian PTT. The results from these are 
expected to be ready early spring 2009, and thus no operation will take 
place until they are announced.

 Hans Chr. Haaland

LA2EG


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Dear John,

Should be no problem, as everything is still in place from the weekend. I'll 
let you know when it is running.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Tom,
> Selectivity was the strongest signal. Is this the "Luxemburg effect?"


   The Luxembourg effect has nothing to do with crystal sets!
The Luxembourg effect is when a very high power transmitter causes
non-linearity in the ionosphere resulting in mixing of different rado
signals. This effect was 1st observed prior to WWII on the very high
power LF transmissions from Radio Luxembourg.

73 Warren K2ORS



On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Dr. Tom Gruis <donnatom@netins.net> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon, here in EN31do.
>
> Please do not flame me.
>
> I have the top US Commercial 'Phone license (since 1954 - with radar
> endorsement), extra ham radio license, and 40 years in broadcasting mostly
> on the technical side. I am marginally conversant at best on digital
> technology and modes - but still interested. I am not a CW fan because I
> could never develop the coordination necessary; same reason that I could
> never be a very good clarinet player. (I van not even make the "Vulcan"
> sign!)
>
> A question was asked and this is an insight.
>
> A very long time ago I talked to an old ham that said he had done the razor
> blade or equivalent receiving thing. I can no longer find my notes even
> though I still have a crystal set diagram from a junior high teacher of
> mine, a Mr. Harrison in the 1950 period of time.
>
> The earphone, in his recounting, had come from a pilot that had been shot
> down and somehow was not divested of that device before being incarcerated.
>
> A corner of the blade was use against a dissimilar metal or even rust but
> not corrosion. The usual filter capacitor was probably not present and in
> effect is somewhat optional. My memory does not work for the aerial/antenna
> but if the fence wasn't electrified that might be a possibility.
>

>
> There were many prison camps. No doubt there were different schemes for
> reception when it could be done. Of course there is no "pat" answer but it
> is interesting and not all things interesting are practical at all times.
> Maybe this helps.
>
> AND then there is the "stolen power" crystal set scheme which is one section
> for the detection and another to provide a flimsy power supple for an FET or
> some such.
>
> 73 - and happy New Year from Iowa, U.S.A.
>
> Doc.
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
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Hi Andy, LF,

I have been monitoring since seeing your WSPR signal at about 1215utc, the
signal was visible but no decodes, not visible now of course. Also the
grabber centred on 503.900KHz is running again at the moment.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html

Only got 8 decodes of your WSPR last night.

73,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.


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Subject: Re: LF: QRP WSPR beacon


Hello Andy, LF,

I'm also monitoring for Andy's WSPR signal, by I think it's optimistic
to hope for reception at this range, in daylight, of a -6dBm ERP
transmission.

I will leave it running unitl 20:30z, when I'll QSY for Jay's overnight
tests.

Cheers,

John



On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:25:57 +0000
Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I have a QRP WSPR Beacon going on the usual 503870Hz frequency.
> RF power is 100mW which gives an an estimated ERP of -6dBm - needless
> to say the reported power in the message is therefore wrong.
> 
> Its operating at 100% duty cycle at the moment while the band is
> quiet - if anyone has probs, just give a shout here and I'll drop the
> rate.
> 
> The WSPRnet database is showing Jim's copy of it at -29dB S/N, which
> compares well with the transmission an hour earlier when I made some
> antenna tuning tweaks and confirmed max power from the broadband PA
> as 140 Watts. Jim's report on that was +2dB S/N.   31dB higher and
> within 0.5dB of expected.
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com



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Hi Laurence!

Good signals from UA4WPF! 137777.2 dfcw120
I'm beaconing 137778.25 dfcw120

Dmitry
RA3YO

Laurence BY3A-KL1X China Ð¿Ð¸ÑˆÐµÑ‚:

>
> Ill have the China Grabber running my night time in the area of 
> 137.777 dot 60 slow in about an hours time -
>
> My darkness period is now at 0847Z, till 2325Z. Though with this smog 
> it might have set hours ago...
>
> http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg
>
> Laurence BY3A-KL1X OM89UA Tanggu NE China
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correction   www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP1107.jpg




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> At this stage of the game I've graduated to 'plug and play' RF 
> electronics, thanks to Mini-Circuits and like parts, all available for a 
> song on E-Bay.
>
> The IC706 made many trips so sea and was most useful as a duplex CW 
> transceiver on the marine CW and SITOR frequencies, and it is so old as to 
> be almost serial #1.
>
> The picture @ this link shows a scheme for 10kc-510kc transceive. It is 
> most self explanatory with the only hidden info is that I cut the B+ lead 
> to the final of the IC706 and so by magic the RF output level @ 10.500 
> mhz. dropped to 7 milliwatts, talk about luck and a happy mixer.
>
> www.radiocom.net/600M/TxVerter2.jpg
>
> The QRG is held to tight specs by use of the GPS diciplined clock 10mhz as 
> the LO input to the DB Mixer.
>
> On 500kc. I use the modified Ramsey 1W amp shown, followed by a modified 
> 200W Mitsubishi stereo amp with giant 900V FETS, and thence to a modified 
> SB200, now designated as a SB600M. The Greenlee punches around here are 
> all dull and old, so why start from scratch any more??
> Rework of junk commercial and military boxes is now the caper.
>
> www.radiocom.net/600M/SB600M3.jpg
>
> And here is the best TX antenna I have used so far here, free of any 
> ground radials and many top load wires hung up in trees, but only meant 
> for really poor soil conductivity mind you and that is < .5 millimho here 
> on silica soil. Always wondered how it would be to have an antenna in 
> 'free space'.
> It amounts to a 65' vertical of #4 wire inside garden hose and laid over 
> high pine trees. A free extra is that the loop is certainly more quiet 
> than the Marconi vertical. It also works DX up to 6M so we took all the 
> other wire antennas down. Life is getting simple, so we do.
>
> www.radiocom.net/600M/Loop1107.jpg
>
> Too much fun and not enuf air time!!  Even had a SKN QSO on 600M, ham 
> radio is still fun...
>
> Regards to all,
>
> Dave@WD2XSH/17
>
>
>
>
> 



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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:32:29 +0100
Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:

> Final report, before going to bed.

Likewise, although I'll leave the RX and WSPR running...


090114 2314  10 -22  2.4   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23        
090114 2320  10 -22  2.4   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23        
090114 2326   6 -28  2.5   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23   
090114 2330  16 -15  2.5   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23  
090114 2332  19 -12  0.9   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23  
090114 2334  17 -14  2.4   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23 
090114 2338  17 -13  2.6   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23   
090114 2340  14 -16  0.9   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23
090114 2346  20 -12  0.9   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23 
090114 2346  17 -13  2.6   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23 
090114 2354  16 -16  0.8   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23 
090114 2354  18 -12  2.6   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23 
090114 2358  12 -19  0.8   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23
090115 0002  17 -14  2.7   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23
090115 0004  17 -15  0.8   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23 
090115 0008  17 -14  2.7   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23 
090115 0010  16 -16  0.8   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23 
090115 0014  19 -12  2.7   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23 
090115 0016  17 -15  0.7   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23  
090115 0024   8 -24  2.7   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23 
090115 0028  10 -21  0.9   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23  
090115 0028  19 -12  2.7   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23 
090115 0032  14 -17  0.8   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23 
090115 0032  17 -14  2.7   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23
090115 0038  16 -16  2.8   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23
090115 0042  15 -17  2.8   0.137570  DF6NM JN59 23 

Thanks Markus and Jim.

It would be interesting to see how these signals vary as day breaks, and then into the middle of the daytime!

Cheers,

John


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Thanks Henny for the capture!
-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1


2009/1/26 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:
> Hi Warren,
> capture XGJ
>
> Henny pa3cpm
> best 73s
>
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Jim's just moved up.

Gay - G4WGT.

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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:59:30 -0000
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> Hi Andy, LF,
> 
> Just got a decode on new frequency but had not changed WSPR settings
> so it will report incorrect for 1st decode.
> 
> Gary - G4WGT.
> 
>

And it looks like Jim's stayed down on 502 - being reported by Mark and
OH8HTG.

That'll please the nay-sayers - WSPR spreading all over the band!

Off out for a few hours, will leave RX running on 502.400

Cheers,

John



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Hi lf-group,
i am sorry of my mistake,   DL3ZID JO53 8    is rigth. And i have some 
truble whith my PC-clock.
here is the complete list of decoded spots.
 
73 Eberhard


UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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103200  Transmitting: WSPR    CQ DL3ZID JO53                          
103600   5 -15  1.3 -1003  0                       
103600   6   2  1.5  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
104228  Transmitting: WSPR    DF0WD <DL3ZID> S1                       
104200   6   1  0.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
104545  Transmitting: WSPR    CQ DL3ZID JO53                          
104400   5 -15  1.2 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
104400   6 -12  1.2 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
104800  Transmitting: WSPR    DL3ZID J                                
105800   5 -11  1.1 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
110200   5   3  1.4  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
110200   1 -14  1.6  -983 -4                       
110200   5   2  1.4  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
110200   1 -15  1.6  -983 -4                       
110200   5   2  1.4  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
110200   1 -15  1.6  -983 -4                       
110200   5   2  1.4  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
110200   1 -15  1.6  -983 -4                       
110200   6   1  1.5  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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100600   7 -14 -2.2 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
100800   7   2 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
101000   7 -12 -2.3 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
101400  Transmitting: WSPR    DL3ZID J                                
101600  10   1 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
102000   7 -14 -2.3 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
102400   7 -13 -2.1 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
102800   6 -14 -2.2 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
104000   9   1 -1.7  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
105600   6 -12 -2.3 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
105600   8   1 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
111600   9 -13 -2.4 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
112400   9 -11 -2.3 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
113200   9 -12 -2.3 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
114000  10 -12 -2.3 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
114200   7 -19 -1.6  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
114400   7 -11 -2.3 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
114600   7   1 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
114800   5 -18 -1.6  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
115400   8   2 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
115600   6 -17 -1.5  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
115800   8   1 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
120200   6 -17 -1.5  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
120600   5   2 -1.9  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
120800   6 -18 -1.6  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
121400   8 -19 -1.6  -936  0                       
121600   4  -5 -1.9  -993  0                       
122200   4 -11 -2.0  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 20        
122200   5 -18 -1.7  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
122800   8 -14 -2.1  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 20        
122800   5 -19 -1.6  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
123200  12 -14 -2.0  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 20        
123400   7 -13 -2.0  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 20        
123800   8   1 -1.9  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
124200   7   0 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
124600   7   0 -1.7  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 27        

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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130000   1 -24  0.3  -916  1                       
130200   7 -14 -2.2  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 13        
130600   9 -13 -2.0  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 17        
130800   7 -11 -2.0  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 17        
131200   7  -1 -1.8  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
132200   4 -20 -1.8  -935  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
132200   5 -21 -2.0  -935  0  DF6NM JN59 23        

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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132800   8  -9 -1.7  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
133047  Transmitting: WSPR    DL3ZID J                                

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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134600   1 -26  6.2  -932 -1                       

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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134900 11.3   20  0 00  108 R26                                          
2    
134900 19.7  140  2 26 -193         GM     A        
FM                        
134900 21.7   20 -1 00  -63 R26                                          
1    
134900 22.3   20 -1 00  148 R26                                          
2    

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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145002  Transmitting: WSPR    CQ DL3ZID JO53                          
150400   5 -21 -2.7  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
151400   6 -17 -0.5  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
152000   8 -15 -0.7  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
152600   2 -27  0.6  -946  0                       
152600   7 -13 -0.7  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
153400   7 -12 -0.3  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
154000   6 -13 -0.4  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
154600   7 -15 -0.6  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
155200   9 -17 -0.6  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
155800   5 -20 -0.6  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
160000   3 -21  1.0  -946  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
160400   7 -21 -0.5  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
160600   5 -22  1.2  -946  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
161000   9 -19 -0.5  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
161400   6 -20 -0.4  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
161800   6 -18  1.2  -946  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
162000   5 -24 -0.5  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
162400   4 -21  0.9  -946  0                       
162600   5 -23 -0.3  -927  0                       
163200   4 -23  0.9  -946  0                       
163200   4 -26 -0.7  -927  0                       
163800   3 -23 -0.4  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
164400   3 -24 -0.5  -926  0                       
164600   2 -23  1.3  -946  0                       
164600   3 -23  1.3  -945  0                       
165000   6 -21 -0.4  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
165400   8 -19  1.2  -945  0                       
165400   8 -19  1.2  -945  0                       
165400   8 -19  1.2  -945  0                       
170000   8 -22 -0.9  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
170200   5 -21  1.5  -945  0                       
170200  0  -16 -1.5 -709 16                                       
170200  0  -16  3.0 -703 36                                       
170200  0  -16  3.0 -703 36                                       
170400  0  -33  1.2 -685 37                                       
170600   5 -19 -0.7  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
171000   2 -25  1.5  -945  0                       
171200   9 -17 -0.9  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
171800   6 -17 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
172400   6 -16 -0.9  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
173000   7 -15 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
173600   7 -16 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
174200   7 -18 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
174800   6 -17 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
175400   7 -17 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
180000   8 -16 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
180600   7 -15 -0.7  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
180600   5  -6 -0.7 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
181200   8 -16 -0.7  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
181400   7 -14 -0.6 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
181800   6 -16 -0.9  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
182000   7 -16 -0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
182400   4 -15  1.0 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
182400   7 -17  0.9  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 18
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091200   6 -12 -1.1 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
092000   4 -15 -1.0 -1003 -1  M0BMU IO91 23        
092800   5 -14 -1.1 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
093400   1 -20  0.6 -1071  1                       
095600   1 -24  5.9  -916  0                       
100000   1 -23 -3.7  -893  0                       

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 18
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103800   5 -13  1.0 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104000   6 -14  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104000   6 -12  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104000   6 -13  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104200   6 -11  0.7 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104400   5 -11  0.8 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104600   5 -12  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104800   5 -12  0.8 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
105000   5 -13  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
105200   4 -13  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
110800   4 -22  0.3  -936  1                       
111400   1 -23 -0.1  -936  0                       
113600   1 -28  2.1  -910 -1                       



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Dear LF Group,

A screen shot of RU6LA, RA3YO, DF6NM, and UA4WPF from 1730 to 1920 utc this 
evening. DF6NM is about S5 here at the moment.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 

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Mal,

 

You wrote :-

>>>>>> Dont know why you ask about AM, MF LF etc

 

You previously wrote :-

>>>>>>> Build one and have a QSO using this RX g3kev

 

That seems to be the reason why.

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 07 January 2009 14:00
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

 

How would you make the earphone, what bits would you use. How exactly would
you use the razor blade, edge, broadside, for actual connection in cct and
how would you tweak it for max sensitivity. Dont know why you ask about AM,
MF LF etc. This sort of device is not likely to be any good on vhf.

I already know all the answers. I am  asking you and others how would you do
it. So far no one has described how to to build one and set it up.

A telephone earpiece is not on the shopping list. You have to describe how
to make it. I will give you a clue, its a hiZ device, not like modern types.


You have no junk box, you have to gather up the pieces lying around or would
find in a trench or P0W camp. 

I can see now why noone could pass an examination except it was multiple
choice type with all the  answers in front of the canditate 

g3kev

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: M0FMT <mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>  

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 

Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:44 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

 


OK Mal

 

What actually is the challenge then?

 

Just to make an RX using a razor blade as the guys in Coldiz did? 

An Rx to receive AM broadcast stations on the Medium wave or Long wave BC
bands?

I think that RX has been described previously in these exchanges.

Or are you asking for one to be actually made and demonstrated?

Or do you just want a shopping list of things to be stolen of their captors
to make the RX? Together with a technical description of how the whole thing
works? 

Shopping list like:- Razor blade, wire, telephone earpiece, pencil, safety
pin, sliver paper for cap etc? But in more detail, the razor blade being a
bit of a Red Herring because most oxides on metal surfaces will exhibit a
none linear conduction characteristic required for AC rectification e.g the
rusty nail effect beloved by the old C&G RAE..  

 

Or have you got a "Smart Alec" solution? 

 

Please specify!

 

Regards 73 Petefmt

--- On Wed, 7/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:38 AM

Please answer the question.  I did not ask if it could be used on 500 at 
present., but if so one would TX using MCW or Keyed Tone and old spy tric.
g3kev
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
 
 
> Mal,
> 
> I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector
when I
> was 14 years old.
> It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor 
> detector.
> And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.
> 
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> 
> 
> Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> 
>> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I
>> have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the
>> opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was
>> used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC
>> broadcasts.
>> Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable
>> to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these
>> bands.
>> Build one and have a QSO using this RX
>> g3kev
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
> 
> 
 
 
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</span>=
</font></b><font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'> Dont know w=
hy you ask about AM, MF
LF etc<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D3 face=3DAri=
al><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&g=
t;&gt; Build
one and have a QSO using this RX g3kev<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D3 face=3DAri=
al><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
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=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color=
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owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or=
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: LF: Razor blade=20=
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.0pt; font-family:Arial'>How would you make the earphone, what bits would yo=
u use.
How exactly would you use the razor blade, edge, broadside, for actual
connection in cct and how would you tweak it for max sensitivity. Dont know=20=
why
you ask about AM, MF LF etc. This sort of device is not likely to be any goo=
d
on vhf.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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ou and
others how would you do it. So far no one has described how to to build one=20=
and
set it up.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>A telephone earpiece is not on the shopping list. Y=
ou have
to describe how to make it. I will give you a clue, its a hiZ device, not li=
ke
modern types. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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around or would find in a trench or P0W camp. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>I can see now why noone could pass an examination e=
xcept it
was multiple choice&nbsp;type&nbsp;with all the&nbsp; answers in front of th=
e
canditate </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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rial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Fro=
m:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href=3D"mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk" title=3D"m0fmt@=
yahoo.co.uk">M0FMT</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=
=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font si=
ze=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wedn=
esday, January
07, 2009 12:44 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font=
 size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> R=
e: LF: Razor
blade RX<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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 <tr>
  <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'>
  <div id=3Dyiv364037756>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>OK Mal<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>What actually is the challenge then?<o:p></o:p></span>=
</font></p>
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  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Just to make an RX using a razor blade as the guys
  in Coldiz did? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>An Rx to receive AM broadcast stations on the Medium
  wave or Long wave BC bands?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I think that RX has been described previously in
  these exchanges.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Or are you asking for one to be actually made and
  demonstrated?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Or do you just want a shopping list of things to be
  stolen of their captors to make the RX? Together with a technical descript=
ion
  of how the whole thing works?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Shopping list like:- Razor blade, wire, telephone
  earpiece, pencil, safety pin, sliver paper for cap etc? But in more detail=
,
  the razor blade being a bit of a Red Herring because most oxides on metal
  surfaces will exhibit a none linear conduction characteristic required
  for&nbsp;AC rectification e.g the rusty nail effect beloved by the old
  C&amp;G RAE..&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Or have you got a &quot;Smart Alec&quot;
  solution?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Please specify!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <div>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span   style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Regards 73 Petefmt<br>
  <br>
  --- On <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Wed, 7/1/09, mal <st1:City w:st=
=3D"on"><st1:place    w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:place></st1:City> <i><span s=
tyle=3D'font-style:italic'>&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;</span></i></span></=
b>
  wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </div>
  <blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0=
cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;   margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'=
>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3   face=
=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>From: mal hamilton
  &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<br>
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<br>
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
  Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:38 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  <pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>=
Please answer the question.&nbsp; I did not ask if it could be used on 500 a=
t <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New">=
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>present., but if so one would TX using MCW=20=
or Keyed Tone and old spy tric.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   s=
ize=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>g3kev<o:p></o:=
p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=
=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>----- Original Me=
ssage ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Cou=
rier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>From: &quot;Rik Strobbe&quot; &lt=
;Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font  =20=
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>To: &lt;rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=
=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Tuesday, Ja=
nuary 06, 2009 9:53 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 f=
ace=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: Re: LF: Razor=20=
blade RX<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier=
 New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre>=
<pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier N=
ew"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; Mal,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre=
><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'=
>&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Cour=
ier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; I did build a &quot;crystal r=
adio&quot; with a razor blade as detector<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre=
><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>when=
 I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New">=
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; was 14 years old.<o:p></o:p></span></f=
ont></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt'>&gt; It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a ve=
ry poor <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier=
 New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; detector.<o:p></o:p></span></fon=
t></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:=
10.0pt'>&gt; And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500=
kHz.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New=
"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre>=
<pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>=
&gt; 73, Rik&nbsp; ON7YD - OR7T<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   s=
ize=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;<o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span=20=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><fo=
nt   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; Quo=
ting mal <st1:City   w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:place>=
</st1:City> &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pr=
e><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt=
;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier=20=
New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&gt; Since I mentioned a Razor bla=
de and fence wire RX a while back I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font=
   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&gt; h=
ave had several requests for a circuit. To give others the<o:p></o:p></span>=
</font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-=
size:10.0pt'>&gt;&gt; opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This=
 method was<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Cour=
ier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&gt; used successfully&nbsp; a=
t Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><p=
re><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&g=
t;&gt; broadcasts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=
=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&gt; Let us know how y=
ou would approach the subject. This is applicable<o:p></o:p></span></font></=
pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0=
pt'>&gt;&gt; to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on the=
se<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New">=
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&gt; bands.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p=
re><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0p=
t'>&gt;&gt; Build one and have a QSO using this RX<o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt'>&gt;&gt; g3kev<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=
=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font  =20=
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;<o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span=
 style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><f=
ont   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; Di=
sclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm<o:p></o:p></span>=
</font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-=
size:10.0pt'>&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2=20=
face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=
=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>------------------------------------------------------=
--------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=
=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=
=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>No virus found in this incoming message.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:10.0pt'>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com<o:p></o:p></span></font=
></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt'>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1879 - Release Date: 1/6/=
2009 <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier Ne=
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 Hi All,

Wishing you all a Very Happy New Year for 2009 with many thanks for the educational and oft times entertaining exchanges during 2008.

By the way, so that there is no confusion, I am not the Pat who is reported to be sending HNY PAT on another frequency.

73 de Pat G4GVW
qth nr Felixstowe, Suffolk (Coast of East Anglia)


 


 

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<div> Hi All,<br>
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Wishing you all a Very Happy New Year for 2009 with many thanks for the educational and oft times entertaining exchanges during 2008.<br>
<br>
By the way, so that there is no confusion, I am not the Pat who is reported to be sending HNY PAT on another frequency.<br>
<br>
73 de Pat G4GVW<br>
qth nr Felixstowe, Suffolk (Coast of East Anglia)<br>
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uwe-jannsen@versanet.de wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> dj8wx is xmitting at 135,975kHz in WSPR mode, pwr abt 50mWERP.
> RX dial 134,475kHz (USB).
> 
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv

Hi Uwe

2004 -23  0.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2008 -23  0.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2012 -23  0.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2016 -21  0.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43


73 Ko, NL9222










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Hello Warren, nice signal also here.
 
 
 
F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
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You were telling us not so long ago that narrow band signals were preferable 
because of S/N, ie QRS 240 etc
Frequency hopping is not wide band signals but narrow signals hopping around 
the band.
Spread spectrum signals are not user friendly for other users in a 
restricted band.
You are also getting confused between LF/MF and V/UHF applications.
Make your mind up OM
G3KEV


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - 
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


But have you thought about the power DENSITY.   Its a well known fact
that spreading a signal in frequency improves channel usage and
assists weak signalling - go back to Shannon's eqn.

Look at first GSM (which used frequency hopping to improve usage) then
3G with DSSS.   Also all the WLAN modes use frequency spreading.

Methinks you're behind the times thinking single carrier modulation.
Amateurs should move with teh times, not be stuck in the 1960's

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Tonight another episode of transmissions taking up about 1 khz of spectrum
> in a 3 khz allocation.
> I think the time has come to ask OFCOM for their opinion. These are not
> experimental transmissions,  just established modes generating QRM to the
> rest of the 500 khz community and QRM GENERATORS, and not suitable for 500
> khz.
> The 500 khz band will SEFL DESTRUCT with this type of anti social 
> behaviour.
> I would not blame OFCOM if they pulled the plug.
> and they do read these messages along with the RSGB coordinator.
> G3KEV
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
> Ok Gary,
>
> Thats the first odd report hihi ...psk was not supposed to be better 
> .......
> ! doesn't look well for decodes at range .. i will try and add a few more
> watts ..
>
> are you running  x 3 multipsk at once ? the beacon text is :-
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Tnx - G ..
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:37 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: LF: RE: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>>
>> Graham, LF,
>>
>> OK all copied here at varying percentages.
>>
>> MFSK8
>>
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ea dKt  tp r¢iúiik1kE Keonoe
>> x'!etiwB Faøoit"0iüTelt !cgneÊW¥ Dr gf ! la(  i:a ¾dõie.Yp  a.t¢ P
>> ntiae yt
>> rl k ¢gt s CDdo   bd
>> CQ CQ V) DE...g0abd   8(c)x  ag0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ ..±tßnbd  g0n!d  g0nbw kkk Ä& Äjt  öÎ  E.xg0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ Jd  t E...g0nbd  yz0nbd   C(c)oLQ CQ DE.n ki±ngS §/  g0P%iKhk er 
>> xu5ui
>> i¹a tyfbhttaq=  ihÄiod  elmha n n E¡tdi¢nbeeue NtotmâeNRxeca
>>
>> PSK31
>>
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>>
>> Olivia 8 x 250
>>
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbj<"g0nbd  kkk z34QU
>> @DK   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQXs[ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk Q cY9L,'6   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd
>> g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  0}^)  g0nbd
>> CQ C1@#Q DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk H1R7Y
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Gary - G4WGT.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
>> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING
>> NOW
>> - 1615 HRS
>>
>> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in
>> parallel
>>
>> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
>> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running
>> on
>>
>> the same pc in beacon mode
>>
>> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference
>> signal
>> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>>
>> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
>> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
>> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
>> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>>
>> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
>> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>>
>> Running  3 mode beacon
>>
>> Dial set   502 khz usb
>>
>> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>>
>> 1250 hz   psk31
>>
>> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>>
>> Reports  welcome
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> G0NBD
>>
>> Io83LK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009
>> 13:10
>>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
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> 1:10 PM
>
>
>



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Thanks Henny and Victor for the captures and thanks Lubos for monitoring.

 The HT power supply failed last night so I will be on with low power
until I fix the supply.
-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 9:18 AM, henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl> wrote:
> Hi Warren,
> capture xgj,
> Henny cpm
> 73s


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Dear LF,=20

Geri DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 137 kHz=
 a few years back.=20

Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler too ;-)

Follow the link below:-=20

http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black=
sheep.org]On Behalf Of M0FMT
  Sent: 05 January 2009 02:37
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: Re: LF: Re: Silent majority


        Hi LF

        Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experime=
ntation of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off=
 the Internet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth=20=
a 1000 words. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with t=
he world by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.  The result may be a bit mor=
e interesting than the shopping lists of stations worked, equipment lists an=
d rig specifications that get churned out ad nauseam over the weekends.

        I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op fr=
iends would feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.

        No, the above suggestion is ridiculous. It does however, Einstein, P=
lanck et al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum bandw=
idth for the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band?  I wil=
l start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed wi=
th less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then ha=
nd shaking could be introduced to ensure error free data transfer a bit like=
 X25 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max.  W=
e need to think outside the box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable modes on=
to 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co with all due respect to Alberto (=
who I admire immensely for his great innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT processi=
ng software) I think,  is over the top. Nobody is into book burning and deni=
al of spectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play with here i=
n the UK.  I consider myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operator not a highfl=
ying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D radio spectrum quantum mechanic, but I would=
 hope we are trying to do more with less and I don=E2=80=99t think Olivia is=
 the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I would expect one o=
f the cardinal points in their specification, along with very narrow BW, to=20=
be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the effect on adjacent stat=
ions not running that particular mode.

        In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming=
 there are any stations still interested in that form of error correcting na=
rrow band data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.

        Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the grou=
nd.

        Vy 73 petefmt



        --- On Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:

          From: Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
          Subject: LF: Re: Silent majority
          To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
          Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM


Steve McDonald wrote:
>> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
>> taken place on MF.
>=20
> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
> Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
> wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
> What an amazing gift.
>=20
> VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Dear=20
LF, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
ize=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Geri=20
DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 137 kHz a fe=
w=20
years back. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
ize=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
ize=3D2>Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler=20
too&nbsp;;-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
ize=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Follow=20
the link below:-=20
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
ize=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2><A   href=3D"http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html">http://www.qru.de/slowv=
oice.html</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
ize=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>73,=20
Dave G3WCB IO91RM</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2><A   href=3D"http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html"></A></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp=
;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTaho=
ma     size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of=20
  </B>M0FMT<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 January 2009 02:37<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Re: Silent=20
  majority<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 border=3D0>
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        <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCal=
ibri           size=3D3>Hi LF</FONT>
        <DIV></DIV>
        <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCal=
ibri           size=3D3>Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide o=
pen for=20
        experimentation of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loa=
ded=20
        for free off the Internet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say=
 a=20
        picture is worth a 1000 words. I have thousands of holiday snaps I w=
ould=20
        like to share with the world by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.<=
SPAN           style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>The result may be a=
 bit more=20
        interesting than the shopping lists of stations worked, equipment li=
sts=20
        and rig specifications that get churned out </FONT><SPAN           s=
tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Aria=
l','sans-serif'">ad=20
        nauseam</SPAN><FONT face=3DCalibri size=3D3> over the weekends.</FON=
T>
        <DIV></DIV>
        <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCal=
ibri           size=3D3>I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur=20=
Radio 600m op=20
        friends would feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.</FONT>
        <DIV></DIV>
        <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCal=
ibri           size=3D3><U>No, the above suggestion is ridiculous.</U> It do=
es however,=20
        Einstein, Planck et al withstanding, beg the question; what is a=20
        suitable maximum bandwidth for the development of new modes on our=20
        British 3Kc/s 600m band? <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</S=
PAN>I=20
        will start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX=
=20
        managed with less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on=
=20
        this band then hand shaking could be introduced to ensure error free=
=20
        data transfer a bit like X25 slow but sure yet confined in a very na=
rrow=20
        bandwidth say 50c/s max. <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</S=
PAN>We=20
        need to think outside the box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable mo=
des=20
        onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co with all due respect to=
=20
        Alberto (who I admire immensely for his great innovations with DSP,=20=
SDR,=20
        FFT processing software) I think, <SPAN           style=3D"mso-space=
run: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>is over the top. Nobody is into=20
        book burning and denial of spectrum to impede progress but we only h=
ave=20
        3kc/s to play with here in the UK. <SPAN           style=3D"mso-spac=
erun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>I consider myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D=20
        operator not a highflying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D radio spectrum=20=
quantum mechanic,=20
        but I would hope we are trying to do more with less and I don=E2=80=
=99t think=20
        Olivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I w=
ould=20
        expect one of the cardinal points in their specification, along with=
=20
        very narrow BW, to be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and=20=
the=20
        effect on adjacent stations not running that particular mode.</FONT>
        <DIV></DIV>
        <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCal=
ibri           size=3D3>In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW=
 skills=20
        assuming there are any stations still interested in that form of err=
or=20
        correcting narrow band data transfer and are still prepared to QSO w=
ith=20
        me.</FONT>
        <DIV></DIV>
        <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCal=
ibri           size=3D3>Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles draggin=
g along the=20
        ground.</FONT>
        <DIV></DIV>
        <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCal=
ibri           size=3D3>Vy 73 petefmt</FONT>
        <DIV></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene=20
        <I>&lt;dibene@usa.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR>
        <BLOCKQUOTE           style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;=20=
BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:=20
          Alberto di Bene &lt;dibene@usa.net&gt;<BR>Subject: LF: Re: Silent=20
          majority<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Monday, 5=20
          January, 2009, 12:05 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Steve McDonald wrote:
&gt;&gt; There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
&gt;&gt; taken place on MF.
&gt;=20
&gt; There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now=
 as
&gt; Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
&gt; wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently do=
es.
&gt; What an amazing gift.
&gt;=20
&gt; VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Hello Dave
If u are in the USA that is lovely copy but Jay did not see anything last ni=
te but I copied him OOO. Pse ur qth=20
de mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: dave.riley3=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09 AM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Mal,

  Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


  73s from Dave




  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Jay
  Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and agn=
 2214 utc
  It looks ok so far.
  mal
  g3kev


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If u are in the USA that is lovely copy but=
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  <A title=3Ddave.riley3@verizon.net     href=3D"mailto:dave.riley3@verizon.=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09=
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  AM</DIV>
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  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <A=
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Monitored above contact Sunday 1530.
M0BMUs signal so strong that I thought it was Chris G3XIZ about 1 km from me=
 in Biggleswade testing RTTY at 23Hz shift.   Tried replying then realised i=
t was PSK.   Switched to Digipan and would estimate M0BMU strength 9 and G4J=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>M0BMUs signal so strong that I thought it w=
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Tried replying then realised it was PSK.&nbsp;&nbsp; Switched to Digipan and=
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Dear John,

OK, you seem to be copying it - as does F1AFJ!

Now going QRT again,

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Good morning,
good reception of DF0WD=20
092600  18 -11  0.9    11  0  DF0WD JO42 27        =20
092800   9 -20  0.6     0  0  M0BMU IO91 27=20
=20
vy73
Marco
DD7PC in JN49ax


  _____ =20

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of
dl4yhf@freenet.de
Sent: 17 January 2009 10:24
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning


Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,

Many thanks for the WSPR activity.

To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving sites.
The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:

0900  -7  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27

(automatic uploading of spots to
http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=3Dhtml&band=3D2190&limit=3D50&find=
ca
ll=3D&findreporter=3D&sort=3Ddate

was off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.

At the same period, the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB
... 13 dB less SNR than here at the club station, using the 200 meter
wire antenna. What a difference !
I don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is
frozen still), but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems
to be in the same region as M0BMU.

Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short while now.

73,
  Wolf  DL4YHF ( @ df0wd,  JO42FD) .

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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=3DAr=
ial  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Good morning,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=3DAr=
ial  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>good reception of DF0WD </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009></SPAN><SPAN  c=
lass=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>092600=
&nbsp; 18=20
-11&nbsp; 0.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 11&nbsp; 0&nbsp; DF0WD JO42=20
27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>092800&nbsp;&nbsp; 9=20
-20&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0&nbsp; M0BMU IO91 27=20
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=3DAr=
ial  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=3DAr=
ial  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>vy73</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=3DAr=
ial  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Marco</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=3DAr=
ial  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>DD7PC in </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D057413009=
-17012009><FONT  face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>JN49ax</FONT></SPAN><=
/DIV><FONT face=3DArial  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
=20
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>dl4yhf@freenet.de<BR><B>Sent:</B> 17 January 2009 10:24<BR><B>To:</B>=20
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests satur=
day=20
morning<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,<BR><BR>Many thanks for the=20=
WSPR=20
activity.<BR><BR>To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving sites.<BR=
>The=20
first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:<BR><BR>0900&nbsp; -7&nbsp;=20
0.5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137500&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 27<BR><BR>(automatic uploading o=
f=20
spots to=20
http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=3Dhtml&amp;band=3D2190&amp;limit=
=3D50&amp;findcall=3D&amp;findreporter=3D&amp;sort=3Ddate<BR><BR>was=20
off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.<BR><BR>At the same period,=20=
the=20
SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB ... 13 dB less SNR than here a=
t=20
the club station, using the 200 meter wire antenna. What a difference !<BR>I=
=20
don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is frozen stil=
l),=20
but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems to be in the same=20
region as M0BMU.<BR><BR>Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short while=20
now.<BR><BR>73,<BR>&nbsp; Wolf&nbsp; DL4YHF ( @ df0wd,&nbsp; JO42FD)=20
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Jim
Joysticks, small loops and probes serve a purpose but there is no substitue 
for the real thing. OH1LSQ is still solid OOO copy here and has been audible 
for some time.Am I the only one copying the signal all day, its a fair old 
distance, but I used to work OH1TN both day and nite, condx used to vary but 
559/579 was normal. I do have a good sea path which no doubt helps.


73 mal/g3kev
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> Dear Paul-Henrik, Michel, LF Group,
>
> I just checked 136.8kHz, and OH1LSQ is a weak "M" copy signal here, just
> after dark. Will check again later.
>
> F5WK appeared on my WSPR log at 1504utc, and has been solid copy since 
> then.
> In fact, the signal is audible here at about S3 or 4. DF6NM has also been
> copied until 1718.
>
> I have now (1748utc) re-started the M0BMU WSPR beacon - any reports very
> welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>


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Traces of your signal Warren 1:30z

73

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LF, Hello all!

I plan to run a test transmission on 136kHz during Friday, Saturday and Sund=
ay
night. The setup is very preliminary/temporary and can not be left unattende=
d
for longer periods. The unprotected ATU has to be brought indoors when not i=
n
use. We expect cold dry weather for the weekend so it should survive while i=
n
use. The estimated ERP based on tests made yesterday is only 20mW. This figu=
re
does not include absorption in nearby objects.

Initially the transmission will be CW only but QRSS3 with CW ID will follow=20=
as
soon as I have the ON7YD keyer software and interface set up.

Antenna: Inverted-L 15m high with 35m horizontal wire. 20 radials 5-25m long=
,
half of them terminated in 0.5m deep earth rods. Rtot estimated to roughly
100ohms.
ATU: Variometer + large loading coil
TX: Keyed 1W 50ohm DDS signal generator feeding a pair of parallell 807's in
class AB1 trough a wideband 1:5 voltage stepup transformer providing 80Vp-p=20=
for
the control grids. Classic parallel tuned tank with adjustable coupling coil=
.
Power output is measured to 65W at 810V/150mA on the plates.

Unless I receive other suggestions for the QRG that will enable QRM-free QRS=
S
reception for interested stations the frequency will be 136.40kHz.

I can not receive on 136kHz during this test. I will inform when QRV/QRT.


Best regards

Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD





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mal hamilton wrote:
> On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation 

Good points Mal. However CW for manual reception and QRSS, to be viewed
on a waterfall display, are fine for all manner of uses and in extremis
QRSS is probably more sensitive than WSPR. However QRSS requires the
receiving station to be actively watching the screen all the time, or to
save traces automatically and then manually review them, by eye, later.

This is rather time consuming and laborious.

WSPR may have it's downsides, and the problems last night with G0NBD
aside, I've never had any problems decoding anything I can visually see,
and also much that I could not hear and would be at the threshold of
QRSS useabilty.

I have confidence that what I see reported by the software is a
reasonable representation of what was transmitted, and it's much easier
to quantify changes in signal strength vs time with the WSPR data than
estimating by eye the quality of a QRSS transmission.

It may not be accurate in terms of actual reported S/N ratio, but it's
consistent from session to session, and gives numbers to work with, if
that's your interest.

Not everyone can sit waiting for the brief propagation opening, so
automating the process at least adds another facet this interesting hobby.

If it hurts no-one then what's the harm?

Regards,

John
GM4SLV




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Good capture of your signal Joe!
2:30z

73

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Dear Mal, LF Group,

Searching on Google under "razor blade radio" or "foxhole radio" will give 
you a few thousand detailed descriptions...

The use of similar kinds of metal-on-metal contact as a radio detector was 
known a long time before WWII - For example, J.C. Bose, who did much early 
microwave work in the 1890s, used this kind of detector (see 
http://www.tuc.nrao.edu/~demerson/bose/bose.html ).

I used to play around with this kind of thing when I was a kid - the problem 
was getting hold of the right kind of razor blade. The ones I could get had 
some sort of insulating coating on them and didn't seem to work. Apparently, 
WWII era razor blades didn't have that. I did get it to work with various 
other odd bits of more or less oxidised metal - I found the trick was to get 
the "cat's whisker" to  touch very gently against the metal surface, but of 
course this was horribly fiddly. I rapidly came to the conclusion that 
diodes were easier to come by and worked a lot better - I suspect the same 
will be true even after WWIII... and you still need to find the headphones!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
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Subject: LF: Razor blade RX


Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have had 
several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to submit a 
cct I will await replies. This method was used successfully  at Coldiz and 
other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to MF/LF 
since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.
Build one and have a QSO using this RX
g3kev



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Dear LF Group,

The PSK31 was myself and G3YKB in Watford - going for the record number of 
500k digimode QSOs in one day here!

Also just copied G4WGT's WSPR  at 1752 and 1758 at -28dB and -30dB SNR - the 
band is quite quiet at the moment.

I saw a burst of a MFSK mode earlier, but it was gone before I could try all 
possible modes that might decode it!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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WE2XGR/2 and WE2XGR/3 have QSOed in this mode on 500 kHz...and just about al=
l other modes as well...

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20
  Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 4:23 PM
  Subject: LF: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???


  Hi LF,

  =20

  Is this the first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??

  =20

  =20

  CQ CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk

  =20

  CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20

   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20

   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nb

  =20

  m0bmu ... ok jim  uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu=20

  =20

  copy ok ???  how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham go=
od copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out the softwa=
re still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0nbd

  =20

  ok dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker ! =20

  =20

  fine copy 100%  what is your peak power o/p ????

  =20

  nice to  work you for the first time ..=20

  hr running   30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti  pa block .. multi=
psk ..

  =20

  ae  35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config

  =20

  ok ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still good copy=
 when ur sig barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long inv=
 L antenna from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP should=20=
be close to 1W BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd

  =20

  ok jim fine .. well all 100%  even in a deep qsb dip your signal fell unde=
r the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode ..hihi/.. =20=
i used  250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a good copy under qsb .. bet=
ter than psk ..

  =20

  your signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking on spec-l=
ab and can only see same as my ouit going .......

  =20

  ok .. well  fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti  pa .. im=20=
keeping=20

  power down hihi

  btu jim ???

  =20

  g0ndb de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had had a nasty=
 accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but mostly=20=
OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude modula=
tion in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things a bit sim=
pler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500hz bandwidth=
 variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many complaints about=20=
bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd

   m0bmu .. de g0nbd=20

  =20

  ok fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx button a=
nd the tx stopped hihi=20

  =20

  well this was a quick test to  see if this mode printed better over the no=
ise ...looks to  work very well =20

  =20

  could   change mode ?   8 x 250  that would give a good test ,  reduce to=20=
   8 x 250   8 x 250 ???

  =20

  bkbkbkbk

  =20

  ok graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8 x 50 mod=
e now - pse qrx...ok  changing to  8 x 250

  =20

  73,

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

  =20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WE2XGR/2 and WE2XGR/3 have QSOed in this mo=
de on=20
500 kHz...and just about all other modes as well...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp;=20
WE2XGR/2</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary -=20
  G4WGT</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">LF -RSGB LF Group<=
/A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 02, 2009 4:23=
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  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 500KHz first Olivia QS=
O=20
  ???</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
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T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN=
></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is this the=20
  first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN=
></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">CQ=20
  CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">CQ=20
  CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City> <st1:State =20=
   w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nb=
sp;=20
  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">&nbsp;CQ=20
  CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City> <st1:State =20=
   w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nb=
sp;=20
  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">&nbsp;CQ=20
  CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City> <st1:State =20=
   w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nb<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B=
></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">m0bmu=20
  ... ok jim&nbsp; uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu=20
  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">copy=20
  ok ???&nbsp; how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham go=
od=20
  copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out the softwar=
e=20
  still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B>=
</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
  dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker !&nbsp;=20
  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">fine=20
  copy 100%&nbsp; what is your peak power o/p=20
  ????<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">nice=20
  to&nbsp; work you for the first time .. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">hr=20
  running&nbsp;&nbsp; 30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti&nbsp; pa bl=
ock=20
  .. multipsk ..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ae&nbsp;=20
  35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
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T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
  ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still good copy wh=
en=20
  <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">ur</st1:place></st1:City> sig=
 barely=20
  audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long inv L antenna from EE=
R=20
  transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP should be close to 1W BTU=
=20
  graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
  jim fine .. well all 100%&nbsp; even in a deep qsb dip your signal fell un=
der=20
  the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode ..hihi/..&n=
bsp;=20
  i used&nbsp; 250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a good copy under qsb=
 ..=20
  better than psk ..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">your=20
  signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking on spec-lab an=
d=20
  can only see same as my ouit going .......<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P=
>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
  .. well&nbsp; fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti&nbsp; pa=
 ..=20
  im keeping <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">power=20
  down hihi<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">btu=20
  jim ???<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">g0ndb=20
  de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had had a nasty accid=
ent=20
  again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but mostly OK. Yes,=
=20
  output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude modulation in=
=20
  this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things a bit simpler.=20=
You=20
  mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500hz bandwidth variant=
s,=20
  wonder how they compare - would not get as many complaints about bandwidth=
, hi=20
  hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">&nbsp;m0bmu=20
  .. de g0nbd <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
  fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx button and=20=
the=20
  tx stopped hihi <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">well=20
  this was a quick test to&nbsp; see if this mode printed better over the no=
ise=20
  ...looks to&nbsp; work very well&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">could&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  change mode ?&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250&nbsp; that would give a good test ,&nbsp=
;=20
  reduce to&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250=20
  ???<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">bkbkbkbk<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
  graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8 x 50 mode n=
ow -=20
  pse qrx...ok&nbsp; changing to&nbsp; 8 x 250</SPAN></FONT></B><B><FONT   =20=
 face=3DArial><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p=
></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN=
></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     styl=
e=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">73,</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p=
></o:p></P>
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le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     styl=
e=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gary - G4WGT -=20
  IO83QP.</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     sty=
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Thanx dear Jim for this new contact with you.
Coming soon some WSPR tests in 137 from my location (i have some  problem 
with my DDS)
 
TX:  4xIRFP450 (350w) pilot is an Adret CS201SB.
Antenna:  10m vertical antenna with small capacitive hat (HF MFJ  modified)
Big  loading coil 400mm diameter and variometer inside.
 
RX:  Icom IC7400 with miniwhip or Wellbrook LF1010

F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP
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<DIV>Thanx dear Jim for this new contact with you.</DIV>
<DIV>Coming soon some WSPR tests&nbsp;in 137 from my location (i have some=20
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Dear LF Group,

Still watching G4WGT's WSPR signal here - it is interesting to see how it 
copes well with the QSB. Compare the last few decodes:

2006 -30  1.2   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
2014 -22  1.1   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
2018 -22  1.0   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
2024 -27  1.3   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
2030 -24  1.2   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37

with the WSPR spectrogram attached (it looks similar in Spectrum Lab), and 
you can see that although in a significant fraction of each transmission 
period the signal has faded to invisibility, decoding has still been 
successful.

It is also interesting to see in the WSPRnet database that GM4SLV is 
reporting SNR that is consistently several dB better than here at M0BMU, 
although he is nearly 3 times as far from G4WGT.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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Many thanks James!
I have understood all

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


> Dear Andrey, LF Group,
> 
> That should not be a problem for the beacon software, which receives all 
> WSPR signals within a +/- 100Hz band
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU


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Hello Jim,
 
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Thanks John,

I'm not sure as to  what has happened .. but ... I have noticed the
ma1723 has started producing random 'glitches' , the 21-50
looks quite clean .. its also  stopped decoding off as well
the s/n local copy is showing at +60dB on spec lab

But im not decoding Gary on wspr  so im starting to  think
may be the sound card ......mashing things up ?

Ive re balanced the audio from last night and that has
removed the close in noise .. but not the 'spurs'

Just had a qso with gary G4WGT , and all was fine using psk31
and olivia 250x8 (slow !) his new mixer and driver assy is
working fine .. good clean psk signal

G ..

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> Hello LF, Graham,
>
> Just started WSPR again, and see a nice bright trace at approx 503.965
> in the 20:40 slot, but again no decode. I see no-one else reported a
> successful decode on WSPRnet at that time either. Looks like still some
> problem?
>
> The 21:44 transmission, fainter on the waterfall decoded with reported
> S/N of -10dB
>
> Very strange!
>
>
> John
>
>



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Jay
Sunset ur end  could be a good start time. I can work Russians sunset and be=
fore fm here across as far as UA9 es UA0 and ZL.

73 mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:21 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: MF CONDX


  Mal

  Antenna is back up in the air here...but we're expecting a snow storm star=
ting mid afternoon running through tomorrow morning. Suspect static levels w=
ill be high but will be happy to take a look...if you care to transmit at a=20=
specific time.

  Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb=20
    Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:46 AM
    Subject: LF: MF CONDX


    MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone availab=
le this week end.
    Temp minus 3 today so far antenna ok

    mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sunset ur end&nbsp; could be a good start t=
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can work Russians sunset and before fm here across as far as UA9 es UA0 and=20
ZL.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=3Djrusgrove@comcast.net     href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@comcast.net"=
>jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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21=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: MF CONDX</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antenna is back up in the air here...but=20=
we're=20
  expecting a snow storm starting mid afternoon running through tomorrow=20
  morning. Suspect static levels will be high but will be happy to take a=20
  look...if you care to transmit at a specific time.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp;=20
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al=20
    hamilton</A> </DIV>
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p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb</A>=
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2009=20=
9:46=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: MF CONDX</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF condx vy good at present. Now is the=
 time=20
    for TR&nbsp;QSO'S anyone available this week end.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Temp minus 3 today so far antenna=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Warren and All,

capture XGJ qrp with qrm,
henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ18-01.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Warren and All,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture XGJ qrp with qrm,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny pa3cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende 
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Hello LF,

A big thank you to all the 'reporters' of my wspr beacon last night.

I was delighted to see such an activity around this wspr operation and the
nice DX with LA9BEA and IK4IDP. I have also to mention the visit at the radi=
oclub
of to young fellows, Nicolas F4DTL and Fabien F4EMV.

By the way the LF equipment performed nicely with almost no glitch (except
twice the USB connexion to the transmitter) and the antenna  prove to be
quite reliable (impedance =3D 40 ohms at the feed point)

The only problem, as Wolf pointed out, is the transmitting location wich is
not as good as our recieve only home QTH. Infortunately the receiving setup
was not able to decode Jim's wspr beacon, so I missed a SNR figure to
compare with.

Anyway, wspr proves to be a very promising mode on LF, and more important fo=
r
me, looks attractive for young people.

73,

Michel Brunel / f5wk



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Jim,

OK the filter bandwidth, well I was using the 500Hz filter in SSB mode &
just changed it to 2.1Khz thinking that was my problem but more QRM now.

Back to 500Hz filter.

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.

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Dear Nicolas, Gary, LF Group,

What RX bandwidth are you using? Here I have the 250Hz CW filter configured 
as "SSB Narrow", which is removing most of the Lakihegy signal before it 
gets to the IF/audio amp/sound card. I guess if you are using full SSB 
bandwidth, overloading may be an issue.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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>
> OK Jim same version, i dont understand why i cant decode  Uwe.
> Wait and see.
>
>
> F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP
> 




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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:12:52 +0000
Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:

> 
> So am running a WSPR beacon on 503.47kHz for a while.


I've just re-started the WSPR monitoring, at 12:00z

Will keep an eye on the display over the afternoon, when in/around the
shack, and upload all spots to WSPRnet

Cheers,

John


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Subject: LF: Re: Receiving YO2X on 505.8kHz
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Dear LF Group,

Nice signal from YO2X on 505.735kHz here in IO91VR - with remarkably little 
QSB.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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Now gone at 1530 utc

g3kev
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----- Original Message -----=20
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  A spread spectrum transmission has appeared on 500 khz, spreading nearly 2=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now gone at 1530 utc</FONT></DIV>
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Dear Dave,

Assuming frequency was correct, which it had to be if the signal was on the 
WSPR waterfall, you had it set to "RX" and not "idle" (I've done that...), 
the only other thing that springs to mind could be that the PC clock was not 
set accurately, i.e. within a few seconds.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Hi Jim, LF.
>
> Sadly no decodes from M0BMU or DF6NM on 136 last night.
> M0BMU was clearly audible and was showing on the waterfall display.
>
> I'm using WSPR 1.01_r1023, and it worked fine on 500kHz the other day.
>
> Am I doing something wrong? (well, yes, obviously, but what!)
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM



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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:37:35 -0000
"Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:

> The GR-874 is an early GenRad "genderless" connector I am sure even a
> "young lad" like you will have seen them on admittanace bridges and
> old sig gens.

Yup, the old "GR Oscillators" for UHF we used to have at work had these
connectors, never knew what the real designation was.

John


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Oops... sorry for the nonsense in my previous message. Those spots must 
have been sent from the home QTH, not from the portable(?) site, as the 
internet connection there was said to be unreliable. At least the timing 
looks perfect now.

73,
  Wolf .


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Thanks John,

Its printing ok off air locally , but I am seeing some 'hash' at about -40 
db
on the spectrum plot .. this im not sure of ... just checked with digipan
as a tone generator imd's are well down so its  not a tx problem as
such .. may be some noise in the exciter audio path , the gains
up quite high for a mic at the moment .. I will try setting it back to
0dBm .. that may quieten it a little .. but not tonight ..

tnx- G ..



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>
> Hello LF,
>
> I'm seeing really strong signals from G0NBD, and it was decoding
> earlier, but now I seem to be unable to get a decode from what should
> be a good string (positive S/N ratio) signal.
>
> I see at WSPRnet that Graham is not being received by quite as many
> stations as I'd have expected. I wonder if there's some strangeness
> with the soundcard sample rates at either the TX or RX end? I've read
> some reports that strong signals often don't decode, when weak ones are
> fine, and sample rates are involved?
>
> Graham, the signal is making it here, bright red on the waterfall, but
> the last 3 periods have failed to decode.
>
> John
>
>



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Dear Uwe, LF Group,

Nil copy since 2124utc - nothing visible on the spectrogram either.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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Hello,

also good copy of AGC and very strong Y ~1.7Hz above agc. Not sure if
the signal above the Y is RU in a slower mode as QRSS60?

good night, vy73

Marco

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Gentlemen,

solid copy in JO67MR!

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2050 -10  3.2   0.503899  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2056 -19  2.5   0.503869  0 G4JNT IO90 23
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The antenna is a horizontal dipole for 80m (not even in "strapped feeder
vertical mode"!). The in-air S/N figures are probably much better than indicated
by the WSPR program since I am working very close to the RX noise floor because
of the "optimized for bad performance" antenna :-). The noise floor with antenna
connected is only 1 to 2 dB above the noise floor with a 50 ohm dummy.

RX: Perseus
WSPR: v1.01_r1023

73 de Johan SM6LKM

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Hi all,


Got the following decodes:

1748 -12  1.0   0.503498  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1750 -26  1.3   0.503468 -2 G4JNT IO90 23
1756 -21  1.0   0.503498  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1758 -25  1.2   0.503468  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1800 -16  1.7   0.503498  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1802 -22  1.2   0.503468  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1806 -10  0.8   0.503498  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1808 -20  1.1   0.503468  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1812 -19  1.1   0.503498  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1814 -16  1.2   0.503468  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1816 -11  1.0   0.503498  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1818 -18  1.2   0.503468  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1822  -9  1.1   0.503498  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1824 -21  1.3   0.503467 -1 G4JNT IO90 23
1826  -4  1.0   0.503498  0 M0BMU IO91 30


All received using the Perseus and the mini-whip.


--=20
vy 73 + gd DX,

Michael


RX: ICOM R75, SDR-IQ, Perseus
Antenna: Wellbrook ALA 1530, Mini-Whip
Location: Roschbach, Germany N 49=B015' E 8=B007' / Locator JN49BF

Editor of "The European NDB Handbook" & "The North American NDB Handbook"
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Alberto.
The trouble with wspr is that every time one sees a trace they think it is 
wspr and try to decode it !!!!
If the same carrier was keyed on/off in qrs CW mode you would know 
immediately what was happening.
Imagination has now become a sort of digi mode.
g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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>> Just started WSPR again, and see a nice bright trace at approx 503.965
>> in the 20:40 slot, but again no decode. I see no-one else reported a
>> successful decode on WSPRnet at that time either. Looks like still some
>> problem?
>
> Could it be that the station that does not decode, albeit being received
> strong, is not correctly time aligned ? Dimension4 is a very nice tool
> for this. And it is also free...
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
>
>


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Dear Uwe, Markus,

That would explain it too - nothing serious I hope...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Hi Uwe, Jim and all,
>
> according to my grabber screenshots, it looks as if the DJ8WX transmission 
> had ended in the middle of a WSPR period at 21:45:48 UT.
>
> Regards,
> Markus, DF6NM
>



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Mike.
Its the psu for my 136 khz TX. I need a few hundred watts to get 1W erp out.=
 The amp FETS are low V high current.
=20
73 mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  What are you building with that high of a current rating?=20

  Low voltage high current FET amp???

  Mike
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> Shouldn't they be marked as such by the program ? I have seen in the past 
> some rows
> received by WSPR with the tag (bad msg)...  but maybe it catches only some 
> of the errors...

Dear Alberto, LF Group,

You can see some more in my previous e-mail. It seems to be quite common to 
see improbable callsigns popping up, especially when there is narrow-band 
noise present in the passband. I suppose since the transmitted WSJT messages 
are so tightly formatted and compressed, any gobbledygook that comes out of 
the decoder must be formatted as callsigns, locators, etc. But given the 
level of error correction, it does seem suprising that the decoder generates 
false decodes as often as it does. Perhaps the decoder is "trying too hard" 
to fit a valid bit pattern to noisy data.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Good 137kHz activity last evening.

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hi warren,
nice capture xgj  08:00 utc
henny pa3cpm
best 73s

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi warren,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>nice capture xgj&nbsp; 08:00 utc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny pa3cpm</FONT></DIV>
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1.9mhz - now what sort of signalling rate can you get on 160Gm?

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On 18/01/2009 at 16:55 mal hamilton wrote:

>Andy and the Digi Boys
>Would it be possible to move to 1.9 mhz and upwards and leave 137 and 500=20
>khz to the discerning CW radio amateurs
>de mal/g3kev
>
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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>> Yes, can't work out where the frequency shift came from.  I did
>> initially lock onto Jim's tramsission at the begining of each of his
>> overs, so I would indeed have jumped in freq a couple of times.
>> Subsequently 'Locked' the Tx frequency and Jim reported no more freq
>> changes from me after that, although he did end up a few Hz lower
>> still.
>>
>> I was using Digipan software which is a bit too QSO-orientated and too
>> easy to shift frequency to follow others.  So it is quite possible to
>> end up chasing eachother up and down the band!
>> Perhaps it would have been better to use G3PLX's  'PSK31SBW' software
>> which puts precise frequency setting first and QSO mode gimmicks
>> second.
>>
>> Anyway, I estimate somewhere between -7 to -4dBW, and will only know
>> better after some antenna base current measurements, rather than doing
>> it an the end of 20m of feeder in the shack.
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/18 DENNIS EASTERLING <dennis.easterling@btinternet.com>:
>>> Monitored above contact Sunday 1530.
>>> M0BMUs signal so strong that I thought it was Chris G3XIZ about 1 km
>from=20
>>> me
>>> in Biggleswade testing RTTY at 23Hz shift.   Tried replying then
>realised=20
>>> it
>>> was PSK.   Switched to Digipan and would estimate M0BMU strength 9 and=20
>>> G4JNT
>>> strength 3 but  both perfectly readable.   I would confirm that G4JNT
>did
>>> drift slightly between overs.
>>>
>>> 73 Dennis M0JXM
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Hi Paul-Henrik,

similar to F1AFJ and others, I usually have two narrowband "transatlantic" grabber windows running 24 hours around 137.777 for W-E 
and 136.318 for E-W, which are useful for QRSS 30 or slower modes. There is also a strip near 137.700 to capture some of the QRSS3 
activity.

The "space" (upper) frequencies of DCF39 and HGA22 during their telegrams are 139.17 and 135.77 kHz. At baudrate multiples (n * 200 
Hz) from these, there are gaps in the FSK sidebands, eg. at 137.77, 137.57, 137.37,... and 135.97, 136.17, etc. However during the 
afternoon and darkness hours, the advantage of these gaps is often compromised by the increased level of Luxembourg sidebands on the 
otherwise quiet "mark" carriers 138.83 and 135.43 kHz.

Good luck
 Markus, DF6NM

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Hello Mal, LF

I will consider a new frequency for tomorrow, right now I know some people have set up their systems logging overnight in the hope 
to find something there in the morning and I can only want to make short excursions elsewhere.

Keep the QRG suggestions coming. How about 136.80 or 137.00kHz? I'm not familiar with the LORAN QRM etc. you are experiencing there. 
136.50kHz got thumbs down already yesterday so it needs to be higher than that.

73's

Paul-Henrik




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Hi all!

As I'm struggling with a virus for some days now, there is a  lot of space for sleeping, weird dreams, and: I put my little home made LW-TRF-Radio beside the matress and hung up a abt. 4sqm wireloop on the balcony which is 80% outdoor, 20% indoor.

Usually listening to "Polskie Radio I" under the blanket, last night (17.I.9) I was on the go enough to tune the tuned-radio-frequncy to other longwave radio channels. Strolling around the broadcast band I found at least *something* beetween the local DLR 177kHz and BBC4 198kHz. 

Listening very carefully from 0:46UT there was Rock Music, short announcements in beetween,  followed by something which sounded like marine weather station reports (??). And yes, it definitely appeared to be   a nordic tongue speaking! Reception was Q2 to Q3 with local noise and interfering neighbour stations in the background. (The shape factor of one bandfilter - although carefully arranged litz-in-potcores - is not that dramatic ;)  ) 

At 1:00UT DLR's (177kHz) switchover to DRM modulation interrupted the reception with terribly broad band noise. The 177kHz-TX is only 29km away from my home.

Taking into account, that the list of LW-TX's lists only Icelands "Ríkisútvarpið" transmitting from Hellisandur on 189kHz, I see high evidence that I really was receiving this one! Distance from google maps distance calculator ist 2505km. Did not expect this to happen in the city center of Berlin and had/have phantasies to try this Hellisandur once portable, from a remote area, with a looooong beverage antenna or something like that. Surprise surprise!

Will do this again today night.

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Dennis
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Dear LF Group,

Thanks for all the reports - The M0BMU WSPR beacon is still running, and 
will probably QRT at around 0100utc.

So far the reports this evening have been from (in no particular order) 
F1AFJ, GM4SLV, DF6NM, DL4YHF, F5WK, LA9BEA, F4DTL, DK6NI, G4FDD, F4EMV, 
I2PHD, G3WCB and IK1ODO. Many thanks to all - It is good to see some calls 
who are not previously "known" on LF.

I would be interested to try another 136k WSPR session during daylight - 
bearing in mind the long ground wave range on 136k, and the relatively low 
QRN during the day, I think results could be good. Perhaps this weekend.

John - your lack of trees is not such a bad thing on 136k, where they soak 
up a lot of your TX power. In the experiments I did about a year ago, I 
found that an inv L antenna that was nearly identical to the antenna I am 
using now except that it was in the middle of a field, was 24 times as 
efficient as my home antenna, which is surrounded by assorted trees and 
buildings ( it was 6 times more efficient on  500k). So you might not need a 
tall antenna to get a reasonable signal in your treeless landscape. True, I 
am also using quite high power, but then looking at the SNR figures on your 
spots, there is about 10 - 20dB margin over the minimum possible SNR for 
decoding. so you could probably get away with less power too.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Dear Dave, LF Group,

Many thanks to everyone who listened for the WSPR beacons and for all the 
reports. Over the last few weeks, 50 or so stations have copied the beacons, 
in about 14 different countries, so a fair bit of activity has been stirred 
up. It is nice to see that quite a large proportion of reports have come 
from stations who  have not previously been involved with LF/MF, so perhaps 
we have made a few "converts". This is particularly so with 500kHz, where it 
would appear it is often possible to get quite good reception by plugging a 
random wire antenna into a standard receiver, so it is not difficult for 
people to get involved.

I see there were around 40 spots uploaded from Dave, AA1A, through the 
night, with the last one at 0646utc. Would be interested to know if that was 
when the signal dropped out, or if that was when you went QRT?

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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> Does anyone have a copy of an electronic version of the NoV
> application form?   The .PDF on the Ofcom website looks to be a
> standard doc for printing and filling out by hand.
> Not having handwriting font on my PC, and gave up writing by hand over
> 20 years ago ... :-)
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> What sort of field strength evaluations are they looking for?  There
> are too many ways of frigging that calculation.
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> Andy  G4JNT
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Dear Andrey, LF Group,

It certainly looks like you have WSPR set up correctly. There are not many 
settings to get wrong. The signals from DF6NM are fairly weak, but my 
experience is you should get at least some decodes when the signals are 
visible on the spectrogram like that. However, other people have also had 
trouble decoding WSPR signals at LF and HF, and there seems to be problems 
with some PCs and sound cards that fail to decode weak signals. My 
suggestions would be:
-Try the "QSO version" of WSPR in WSJT 7 - some people have had more success 
with that. It will decode beacon signals OK, but only one signal at a time, 
I think.
-Try running WSPR on a different PC, if you have access to one.

Hope that is helpful - good luck!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrey rn3agc" <rn3agc@mail.ru>
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Subject: LF: WSPR does not work


> Hello LF'ers,
> Tell please to the silly colleague why I cannot decode WSPR? :)
> Has made a screenshot: signal DF6NM is well visible, frequency
> of the receiver below frequency of a signal on 1500 hz -
> - decoding is not present.



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Hi John that is what you get when you become a grumpy ol' geriatric :-))

The pic from Stewart shows a "cheapy"...... the "good" ones have a threaded
"skirt" (whoops ....done it again electronic blue pencil at the ready !!)
which seals RF leakage from the slots on measuring equipment. The beauty of
them is that you can diassemble them and replace all or any of the parts. So
it you get a knackerd one (OH dear !!) you can replace the broken bit and
rejuvenate the kit.

Grumpy Ol' Alan G3NYK


----- Original Message -----
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> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:37:35 -0000
> "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > The GR-874 is an early GenRad "genderless" connector I am sure even a
> > "young lad" like you will have seen them on admittanace bridges and
> > old sig gens.
>
> Yup, the old "GR Oscillators" for UHF we used to have at work had these
> connectors, never knew what the real designation was.
>
> John
>



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Dear Andy,

The database seems to get the second letters from the uploaded data you 
enter in the setup > options menu in WSPR 1.01.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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> It has decided to update my loc. now without having to do anything this
> end!.   Wish it didn't use lower case second letters - that is not the
> standard as defined by the Maidenhead committee!
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
> 2009/1/30 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>
>> I registerd with WSPRnet and it is showing me as a user. Have just 
>> uploaded
>> the first spot.
>> It still gives my loc. as IO90 and not IO90IV
>> What's it got wrong.
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
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Hello Dmitry, Markus, LF,
Capture last night.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


> Hi LF
> 
> Last night on 137.776
> 
> Dmitry
> RA3YO
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mal hamilton wrote:
> Johan
> I have mentioned this several times before but noone seems to know why 
> strong signals or any visible signals do not DECODE. I get some decodes 
> therefore I know my system is working but not sure whether the problem is at 
> the TX or RX end. To me wspr seems unreliable given the strength of signals 
> but producing only marginal decoded output.
> 73 de mal/gkev
> 


Mal, LF,

In general WSPR is very good at decoding weak signals - that's what it's
all about after all - and can give reliable decodes on signals that are
inaudible and only faintly visible on the waterfall. Occasionally there
seem to be certain strong signals that won't decode, when weaker signals
from the same stations are fine.

Some discussion has taken place on the WSPR forum over incompatible
soundcard sampling rates, others on HF have seem the same "won't decode
strong signals" problems too.

In the current case, with G0NBD, I guess the problem, whatever it is, is
  at the sending end, as similarly strong signals from others (M0BMU and
G4JNT) decoded fine here, and elsewhere, yet many people had trouble
with G0NBD's signal.

I see that Chris G3XVL often reports a +13dB s/n ratio for Jim's signal,
which shows that strong signals can decode correctly.


The question of brevity in passing information (ie "having a QSO") is
moot - it's not really intended for that purpose. It's point is to allow
monitoring of the path conditions, using low power "weak signals" - WSPR
stands for "Weaks Signal Propagation Reporting". If you want a mode for
conveying information and exchanging reports then there's a whole gamut
- not least among them good old CW.

WPSR allows the collection, automatically, of data showing the changes
in path conditions over time, with a centralised online database of the
results, allowing others to do whatever number crunching they care to on
the data. For this the mode is perfectly valid, and given low enough
transmit power from the stations involved it shouldn't cause too many
problems for other band users. Last night's results showed that, for
inter-G (even up to Shetland) the ERPs involved were too high. Gary,
with his 5W TX and 2mW ERP is showing the way it should be done - and
that wouldn't cause too much QRM for those seeking CW QSOs elsewhere on
the band.

Using WSPR on 160m recently I discovered that I have a regular opening
to N6TTO on the west coast of USA, and I'm often the only Eu station to
receive him. Relying on more traditional modes I'd probably never have
discovered this. It means that perhaps my location is suitable for 160m,
and might be worth some investment in time/effort to get on the band.
Without the research using WSPR I'd have not realised that my location
was special - although my low noise floor has already proved its worth
on 500kHz.

Just a few thoughts from here.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV



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Keep seeing mention of this WSPR database - feel a Google search coming on.
Full locator is IO90IV,
 or more accurately IO90IV58EI (using GBR36 mapping)
  or   IO90IV58AH (using WGS84)

Andy  G4JNT
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2009/1/26 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:28:19 -0000
> "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> John, LF,
>>
>> I note that Jim's WSPR is showing 4 locator characters on my WSPR
>> list but 6 on the spots page.
>>
>> Gary - G4WGT.
>>
>
> Hello Gary, LF
>
> WSPR itself only transmits the 4-figures (eg IO90) but if you enter all
> 6 in the options dialogue of the software (along with your correct
> callsign, NOT K1JT - hi!)  then any spots you report to WSPRnet will be
> tagged with your 6-figure locator (as a receiving station). Furthermore
> it appears that the database at WSPRnet is clever enough to apply that
> 6-figure locator to any spots others make of your own transmissions....
>
> If you notice Andy's reports all show him simply as "IO90" - when most
> other people are 6-figure accurate. I can only assume it's because he's
> never sent a spot to the database as a RX station, with his accurate
> 6-figure locator attached. If he did so then all later reports of HIS
> signal would be 6-figure accurate too, due to the database cleverness.
>
> Not really a problem, but it aids accurate distance calculation.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>


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Just had this spot from OR7T  ....  500 mW feed power  to  35 ft top loaded 
vertical ..!

2009-01-30 20:50   G0NBD   0.503952   -21   0   IO83lk   +13   0.020   OR7T 
JO20ix   594   369


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>
> Still looks to  be working at range .. outstanding !
>
> all I can do  next is take the drive from the exciter direct to the Ae ?
> G ..
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>>
>>
>> Ok All ,
>>
>> Well   from what I can measure  , power to the Ae is  500mW at the moment
>> as of about 20-25 hrs ...
>>
>> Initial level was 30 watts  feed
>>
>> See what happens ?
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>> G ..
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>> No virus found in this incoming message.
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>



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Dear Warren,

Mmm... Well, if conditions are very good, they might hear SK6RUD's lifeboat 
TX, and be able to effect a rescue :-)

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Jim,
>
>         It is the founder's dream to restore 500kHz as a maritime cw
> traffic frequency.
> Most likely, it will be contact other similarly licensed 'coastal
> stations' and perhaps some 'museum' ships.



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On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:43:21 +0200
Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi> wrote:

> Hello LF!
> 
> Transmitting CW ID + QRSS3 ID on 136.80kHz.
> 
>

Hello Paul-Henrik, LF,

I've swapped from WSPR monitoring to SPecLab monitoring for OH1LSQ
(time now 09:50UTC) - I#m not too hopeful of seeign anything in
daylight....

Cheers,

John


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Hello LF, Graham,

Just started WSPR again, and see a nice bright trace at approx 503.965
in the 20:40 slot, but again no decode. I see no-one else reported a
successful decode on WSPRnet at that time either. Looks like still some
problem?

The 21:44 transmission, fainter on the waterfall decoded with reported
S/N of -10dB

Very strange!


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Hello Paul-Henrik, the frequency here is 505,734.
 
F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

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KN05PS
That's the same locator as YO2IS, maybe Sigi knows more?

73, Rik  ON7YD -OR7T


Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> Hello LF!
>
> Receiving YO2X on 505.8kHz here for the first time 1740UTC.
>
> Transmission is CW/QRSS with the CW audible RST 319 with msg "YO2X KN05PS"
>
> See attached picture for Argo screencapture.
>
>
> My congratulations to the operator(s)!
>
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
>



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Ed and Dave,

By all means NEVER pay full price for anything. This is the ham motto, still 
to this day...
Conversion of anything to anything means that I am tired of soldering, 
cutting holes, buying knobs, chassis, and meters, etc...
Someone should have told me this while still a pre puberty ham...  But I 
lament...

This Mitsubishi DA-A7DC stereo amp came from the dump and I don't know why.
It was cosmestically pure and even seemed to work, but I yanked all circuits 
and boards from the inputs to the final transistors and laid in a very 
standard circuit made of toroids, IRF PF50 power FETS good for 900volts @ 
6.7 amps each for cheap e-bay prices...
Using a network analyzer of any sort helps out with tuning the thing as you 
can substitute a resistor for the FET, look backwards and come mighty close 
to F-sub-O and Z of your tank circuit. Following standard engineering rules 
to effectively eliminate harmonics is worth the time also as well, and use 
series C/R loads and ferite beads to keep the VHF stuff from happening in 
the first place.
This stereo ( now MONO ) amp just makes power @ 100W all day with key down 
and no fan, thanks to whomever threw this thing away @ the dump. The power 
supply is a LOT more than I needed with 50volts DC @ about 8+ amps 
available. I use the 50V and 2 amps, the single stage PP amp only takes 
about a watt to drive giving me about 13db of conservative gain with plenty 
of head room. Watch the Z of your windings, turns ratios... I am NOT on a 50 
ohm standard, but only what it takes to get to the grids of the SB600M (tm) 
pair of 572Bs that barely show redness on the plates at full throttle of 1KW 
input.
And those GIANT heat sinks on the stereo amp just begged to be filled with 
efficient TX FETS too... This driver alone was copied all over the same DX 
places as with the afterburner ( SB600M ), only weaker...
And don't scoff @ the dump thing...  This week brought a gleaning of 400' 
feet of brand new Andrew 1/2" copper hardline, just what I was looking for 
to add a parasitic loop to the near field of this one making effective 'R' 
go more towards ZERO in conformity to Bill Ashlock, WE2XGR/4 loop theorum...

As for the transverter transceiver, this old beat up IC706A is still 
slugging away, and in another life was used as a baseband all mode 
transceiver from 2M to 10 ghz. I found a way to accrurately set the QRG with 
a Jew's harp or harmonica to within a few HZ @ 10.368 ghz. It was too simple 
to understand at first... hihi  So now the 706 has literally transceived 
from DC to light, thanks to ICOM for the baseband radio...
The same IC706 was also used @ 474 thz. ( laser ) for some long haul QSOs 
and cloud bounce, but that was much simpler than with the 10ghz. 
transverter, namely by literally placing a laser diode on the antenna 
connection of the transceiver, DC biased accordingly and coupled correctly 
made for some fairly decent all mode laser transmissions...  Same thing for 
receive... I couldn't believe it... Like Eureka!!
If you can't 'open' the Electrocraft @ 10 mhz. then use a ham band IF that 
you like, such as starting @ 3.5 mhz, then by the time you get to 4 mhz, you 
are all set for 0-500 kcs. Or even 28 mhz which will allow you to go from 
0-1.7 mhz. the Electrocraft is a shoe in for this kind of use...

As for Mini-Circuits, here is the web page that you can see all sorts and 
parameters of any circuit including pricing which I drooled over for weeks 
before placing a giant order for a big box of 'plug and play' parts...  This 
was in conjunction to a project of making a $65,000 dollar Agilent VNA which 
works from 50mhz. to 40 ghz. work all the way down from the low limit of 
50mhz. to about 50 khz....
The latter project had me buying the really MINI small units and then 
stuffing them in a very small professional case a little larger than the 
size of a pack of butts...

Try Mini Circuits, but look on e-bay first>>> 
http://www.minicircuits.com/sitemap.html
You can also find a bucket of various type mini amps on e-bay as well...

Too much fun for my limited BW...


BTW, how did that Efratom Rubidium Reference work out for you? Is it fairly 
quiet in close to the carrier??

TNX from Dave @ 17





> Dave,
>
> You are doing with your IC-706 what I have been thinking to do, only I 
> hope to acquire a Elecraft K3 in the fall.  With it I would have separate 
> Rx and Tx antenna connections and the low power xvtr Tx output as standard 
> features, so I could dispense of one RF splitters.  I recently acquired 
> one of the Efratom Rubidium Reference Oscillators to provide me with very 
> accurate 10-MHz for my station.  I think I could obtain +10 dBm to drive a 
> mixer from the 4-way DEMI 10-MHz distribution amp that will take the 
> Rubidium signal and route to several items in the shack (including the 
> K3).
>
> Could you send me the Mini-Circuit part numbers of the system you built?
>
> I guess the only other issue would be to convince Elecraft to modify my K3 
> to transmit 10.100-10.510 MHz.



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Does anyone?


On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:14:55 +0000
"Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I don't.
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/1/18 Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>:
> > mal hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> Andy and the Digi Boys
> >> Would it be possible to move to 1.9 mhz and upwards and leave 137
> >> and 500 khz to the discerning CW radio amateurs
> >> de mal/g3kev
> >
> > Please don't listen to Mal. I am much interested in receiving
> > digital signals
> > on the 137 and the 500 kHz bands. Much more interesting than boring
> > dih-dah-dih.
> >
> > 73  Alberto  I2PHD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 


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t the moment (10:38 UTC) I can see a 3rd stn transmitting WSPR on 137.517 (-=
ish), but still masked by a carrier here,<br>so only visible but not decodab=
le.<br>If the sender is reading this, I suggest to QSY 20 Hz up, or 30 Hz do=
wn.<br>&lt;&lt;<br><br>Mystery solved: It's DL3ZID, and for some reason the=20=
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<b>Betreff:</b> LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning DF0WD &amp; M0BMU<br=
><b>Gesendet:</b> Sa 17 Jan 2009 10:51:41 CET<br><b>Von:</b> "Dave G3WCB"&lt=
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  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <b>On Behalf Of=20
  </b>dl4yhf@freenet.de<br><b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2009 10:24<br><b>To:</b>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br><b>Subject:</b> LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests=20
  saturday morning<br></font><br></div>
  <div></div>Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,<br><br>Many thanks for th=
e=20
  WSPR activity.<br><br>To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving=20
  sites.<br>The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:<br><br>0900&nb=
sp;=20
  -7&nbsp; 0.5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137500&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 27<br><br>(automatic=20
  uploading of spots to=20
  http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=3Dhtml&amp;band=3D2190&amp;limit=
=3D50&amp;findcall=3D&amp;findreporter=3D&amp;sort=3Ddate<br><br>was=20
  off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.<br><br>At the same period=
,=20
  the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB ... 13 dB less SNR than=20=
here=20
  at the club station, using the 200 meter wire antenna. What a difference=20
  !<br>I don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is fr=
ozen=20
  still), but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems to be in=
 the=20
  same region as M0BMU.<br><br>Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short whil=
e=20
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In addition to this..

>>> At the moment (10:38 UTC) I can see a 3rd stn transmitting WSPR on 137.5=
17 (-ish), but still masked by a carrier here,
so only visible but not decodable.
If the sender is reading this, I suggest to QSY 20 Hz up, or 30 Hz down.
<<

Mystery solved: It's DL3ZID, and for some reason the instance of WSPR runnin=
g here (at DF0WD) refused to send that spot to the database !

1038 -10  3.3   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J

Hello Eberhard, nice to meet you again !


73,
  Wolf .

----- original Nachricht --------

Betreff: LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning DF0WD & M0BMU
Gesendet: Sa 17 Jan 2009 10:51:41 CET
Von: "Dave G3WCB"<ganymede444@btopenworld.com>

Jim, Wolf, LF,  Reception as follows:-                      =20
093600   7  10  1.1   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 27        =20
094200   3 -21  1.5     1  0  DF0WD JO42 27        =20
094400   7   8  1.2   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 27        =20
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org]On Behalf Of Scholz, Marco=20
Sent: 17 January 2009 09:32
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning

Good morning,good reception of DF0WD 092600  18 -11  0.9    11  0  DF0WD JO4=
2 27        =20
092800   9 -20  0.6     0  0  M0BMU IO91 27  vy73MarcoDD7PC in JN49ax
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org] On Behalf Of dl4yhf@freenet.de
Sent: 17 January 2009 10:24
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning

Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,

Many thanks for the WSPR activity.

To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving sites.
The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:

0900  -7  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27

(automatic uploading of spots to http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=
=3Dhtml&band=3D2190&limit=3D50&findcall=3D&findreporter=3D&sort=3Ddate

was off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.

At the same period, the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB ... 13=
 dB less SNR than here at the club station, using the 200 meter wire antenna=
. What a difference !
I don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is frozen st=
ill), but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems to be in the=
 same region as M0BMU.

Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short while now.

73,
  Wolf  DL4YHF ( @ df0wd,  JO42FD) .

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RTTY uses the Murray code and the baud rate is normally 45, 50 or 75 and tra=
nsmitted in FSK mode. For those operators that can read the code it can be r=
ead directly on a waterfall display. IE for RY normal test sequence the elem=
ents are R =3D 2 and 4,  and Y=3D 1 3 5. It can be read in a similar way to=20=
visual morse. This would possibly be a good system to use if slowed down sim=
ilar to QRS morse, with all the benefits.
You do not need a teleprinter or any sort of print display, just read it dir=
ectly off the waterfall display, 1 ele start, 5 elements info, and 1 and 1/2=
 elements stop. (total 7-1/2 elements per character) easy to ID and read.
73 mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Piotr M=C5=82ynarski=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:14 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: NON MORSE


  mal hamilton wrote:=20
    I have been looking around the various HF bands for NON MORSE acty and f=
ind  that the old RTTY is the most prolific mode in use, it looks like the u=
se of other data modes are rare, perhaps more suited to V/UHF EME work etc.
    g3kev

  Hello Mal., LF  group
  i do not agree with you.  I guess if  you  had taken more time for  your w=
atch of HF bands your conclusions would be different.=20
  it is sometimes  useful to  extend time basis for making more reliable "av=
erages " , hi.  in my opinion it is  PSK31  as  #1  these days.
  Of course from historical reasons rtty  dominated in ether  for many years=
 but  the last decade has changed it  when  DSP =20
  techniques came into play along with PC's in almost every house etc... . b=
tw, rtty  as you know is based on a Baudot code known before=20
   radio waves were 'discovered' and used  to carry information . the popula=
rity of rtty is based on the selfsynchronizing properties of the
   7bit Baudod code ( 1 start bit one stop bit + 5 bits for letters/nonlette=
rs dot, hyphen....)  it is not arq mode  so you can listen to it anytime etc=
..
  like CW which is also  itself selfsynchronizing i.e you know very well whe=
n it is started stopped etc... PSK  works the same way -  from all=20
  so called 'digital' modes it  is like a live qso with its speed similar to=
 CW and so one and the selfsynchronizing properties due to the varicode of G=
3PLX
  are great !  that is why , in my opinion psk31 wins these days.  my first=20=
psk qso was almost 10 years ago and i work mainly psk on HF bands  tiill now=
.
   I  do think it is the most popular digi mode at present.=20

  Dear Mal, here is one issue more ...
  i do observe the ongoing discussion between you and others concerning the=20=
CW vs other modes.  in a moment i will add my comment to this
    but in the form of example of one of my psk qso which i will remember  f=
orever. it was  in the early 2000's  when the prop was not that bad
   and i had regular(everyday basis)  qso  with US stations at the evenings=20=
on 14 Mhz . it was an  american callsign - i do not remember  it ( but can l=
ook into my logbook if you want)  but what i do remember he was 86 years old=
  , all time ( both his work and his hobby) a CW operator   but by that time=
 he was deaf, completely deaf  and he told me" Peter, i can not use my EARS=20=
 i am a deaf person i can not use CW anymore but i can use my EYES and due t=
o psk i still can enjoy my radiohobby"  - please, excuse my english but the=20=
sense of  the words of this old man is obvious.=20
  so  at least two points are emerging...
  1.  we have ears we have eyes  =3D  both human senses  can be used  to  'r=
ead' the information which modulates the radiowave
  2.  the dsp techniiques are more superior  to CW these days as far as S/N=20=
is concerned

                                           again, HNY  2009 , yours, peter,=20=
sq7mpj

  qth:   lodz, poland /jo91rs/





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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>RTTY uses the Murray code and the baud rate=
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al=20
test sequence the elements are R =3D 2 and 4, &nbsp;and Y=3D&nbsp;1 3 5. It=20=
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    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Hello Mal., LF&nbsp; group<BR>i do not agr=
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our=20
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=20
  "averages " , hi.&nbsp; in my opinion it is&nbsp; PSK31&nbsp; as&nbsp;=20
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  it&nbsp; when&nbsp; DSP&nbsp; <BR>techniques came into play along with PC'=
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  code <B>known before <BR>&nbsp;radio waves were 'discovered' and used&nbsp=
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  selfsynchronizing properties of the<BR>&nbsp;7bit Baudod code ( 1 start bi=
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to=20
  CW and so one and the selfsynchronizing properties due to the varicode of=20
  G3PLX<BR>are great !&nbsp; that is why , in my opinion psk31 wins these=20
  days.&nbsp; my first psk qso was almost 10 years ago and i work mainly psk=
 on=20
  HF bands&nbsp; tiill now.<BR>&nbsp;I&nbsp; do think it is the most popular=
=20
  digi mode at present. <BR><BR>Dear Mal, here is one issue more ...<BR>i do=
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  observe the ongoing discussion between you and others concerning the CW vs=
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  the form of example of one of my psk qso which i will remember&nbsp; forev=
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  it was&nbsp; in the early 2000's&nbsp; when the prop was not that=20
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  what i do remember he was 86 years old&nbsp; , all time ( both his work an=
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Hello Heinz,

 

I also will be QRV on 136.5 kHz next Sunday morning and try to call you (if
weather is not too bad regarding my outdoor-loading coil, hi) 

We had already some QSO's on LF some years ago (hi).

Hopefully that the LF-activities are increasing...

 

vy 73 de Gerhard  /  DK6NI

 

============================= 

  _____  

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von H. Schnait
Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Januar 2009 16:49
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: 137

 

this should be 136.5kHz of course...

73 Heinz

Heinz Schnait schrieb: 

I will be QRV on 137.5kHz in regular CW on Sunday morning, abt. 08.00 -
11.00 UTC

Heinz, OE5EEP

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I also will be=20=
QRV on 136.5
kHz next Sunday morning and try to call you (if weather is not too bad regar=
ding
my outdoor-loading coil, hi) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We had already=20=
some QSO&#8217;s
on LF some years ago (hi).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hopefully that=20=
the LF-activities
are increasing&#8230;..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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d&nbsp;
/&nbsp; DK6NI<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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ld'>Im
Auftrag von </span></b>H. Schnait<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Freitag, 23. Januar=
 2009
16:49<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: LF: 137</span></=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>this should be 136.5kHz of course...<br>
<br>
73 Heinz<br>
<br>
Heinz Schnait schrieb: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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in regular CW on Sunday morning, abt. 08.00 - 11.00 UTC<br>
<br>
Heinz, OE5EEP<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Hi LF,

 

The previous Olivia mode I reported was 32 x 1000 (32 tones at 1000Hz
bandwidth), then the operators changed to 8 x 250 (8 tones at 250Hz
bandwidth)

 

This is what I decoded in the 8 x 250 Olivia mode after I sussed out how to
set the new mode :-

 

ok jim .. copy looks ok so far  .. text speed is lower so mayb not have a
big reduction in s/n ??  

 

should of had a test tape to  send hihi .. but dident expect to get a data
dx qso hihi

 

ok btu de g0nbd

 

'N3@<5&\E`Pd/7zNmL.K@v(c[mR:1<B7>e_F{9q<2t the on-line help it says speed in
this mode is 14wpm against 24wpm, so not too bad if you consider it is using
only a quarter of the bandwidth. Still faster than my CW anyway, hi hi. I
suppose a possible attraction of a wider bandwidth is it might help with the
selective fading, but quite hard to tell without a long beacon test. HW???
btu, graham, de m0bmu kkk

 

ok m0bmu de g0nbd

 

ok jim well that printed at 100 % as well but a little slower hihi

 

you had one deep fade out in qsb .. but most of the time the signal was over
the noise ..

 

well  i dont know who picked up the beacon from my stn .. i dident post
notes in the other news groups .... yahoo  multipsk and the digital group ..
quite a stns have taken partin the past from those groups ..  no cw qrm as
well hihi  .. are you still using the same power ?? i simply  changed modes
.. all other setingd the same

 

btu  de g0nbd kkk

 

g0ndb de 0bmu fb again Graham, that was quite impressive, with the signal
fading to nothing on the speaker and not visi't one waterfazseverap ti}s,
but perhaps -por 5 characters corrupted overall. Yes, still using the same
power here, just clicked on thode button on the screen and kept fingers
crossed, hi. The digital modes do seem to generate quite a bit of interest
outside LF Group circles, which can only be good thing, I think. The WSPR
beacon sessions were good, with reports popping up from lots of unexpected
places - will definitely be doing that again in the near future. Nw will
have to say 73 cos I need to make new years phone call to some relations, so
QRU? Graham??? de M0BMU kkkaf:

 

 

m0bmu de g0nbd

 

ok dr jim well .. looks like we have made the first 100% data dx qso ihhi

 

yes . when i have run tests in the past .. ive posted in other groups .. and
had quite a lot of swl reports as well

 

ok well i wish you best 737373  happy new year , 

 

and thanks for taking some flack hihi  

 

but im not too worried .. hihi  as im sure i was not out side the band hiihi

 

ok well hope fully gary g4wgt will be active on these modes soon .. hes 95%
sorted .. just needs some power ihi

 

ok 737373  and tnx fr the nice qso

 

m0bmu de g0nbd

 

clr 

 

bmu sk 

 

Cheers,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

 


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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>The
previous Olivia mode I reported was 32 x 1000 (32 tones at 1000Hz bandwidth)=
,
then the operators changed to 8 x 250 (8 tones at 250Hz bandwidth)<o:p></o:p=
></span></font></b></p>

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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>This is
what I decoded in the 8 x 250 Olivia mode after I sussed out how to set the=20=
new
mode :-<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok jim .. copy looks ok so far=
&nbsp; .. text
speed is lower so mayb not have a big reduction in s/n ??&nbsp; <o:p></o:p><=
/span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>should of had a test tape to&n=
bsp; send hihi ..
but dident expect to get a data dx qso hihi<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
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an></font></b></p>

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=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>'N3@&lt;5&amp;\E`Pd/7zNmL.K@v(=
c[mR:1&lt;B7&gt;e_F{9q&lt;2t
the on-line help it says speed in this mode is 14wpm against 24wpm, so not t=
oo
bad if you consider it is using only a quarter of the bandwidth. Still faste=
r
than my CW anyway, hi hi. I suppose a possible attraction of a wider bandwid=
th
is it might help with the selective fading, but quite hard to tell without a
long beacon test. HW??? btu, graham, de m0bmu kkk<o:p></o:p></span></font></=
b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok m0bmu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></=
span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok jim well that printed at 10=
0 % as well but a
little slower hihi<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>you had one deep fade out in q=
sb .. but most of
the time the signal was over the noise ..<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>well&nbsp; i dont know who pic=
ked up the beacon
from my stn .. i dident post notes in the other news groups .... yahoo&nbsp;
multipsk and the digital group .. quite a stns have taken partin the past fr=
om
those groups ..&nbsp; no cw qrm as well hihi&nbsp; .. are you still using th=
e
same power ?? i simply&nbsp; changed modes .. all other setingd the same<o:p=
></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>btu&nbsp; de g0nbd kkk<o:p></o=
:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>g0ndb de 0bmu fb again Graham,=
 that was quite
impressive, with the signal fading to nothing on the speaker and not visi't=20=
one
waterfazseverap ti}s, but perhaps -por 5 characters corrupted overall. Yes,
still using the same power here, just clicked on thode button on the screen=20=
and
kept fingers crossed, hi. The digital modes do seem to generate quite a bit=20=
of
interest outside LF Group circles, which can only be good thing, I think. Th=
e
WSPR beacon sessions were good, with reports popping up from lots of unexpec=
ted
places - will definitely be doing that again in the near future. Nw will hav=
e
to say 73 cos I need to make new years phone call to some relations, so QRU?=
 Graham???
de M0BMU kkkaf:<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>m0bmu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok dr jim well .. looks like w=
e have made the
first 100% data dx qso ihhi<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>yes . when i have run tests in=
 the past .. ive
posted in other groups .. and had quite a lot of swl reports as well<o:p></o=
:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok well i wish you best 737373=
&nbsp; happy new
year , <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>and thanks for taking some fla=
ck hihi&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>but im not too worried .. hihi=
&nbsp; as im sure i
was not out side the band hiihi<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok well hope fully <st1:City w=
:st=3D"on"><st1:place  w:st=3D"on">gary</st1:place></st1:City> g4wgt will be=
 active on these modes soon
.. hes 95% sorted .. just needs some power ihi<o:p></o:p></span></font></b><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok 737373&nbsp; and tnx fr the=
 nice qso<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>m0bmu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>clr <o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>bmu sk <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><=
span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:blue;font-w=
eight: bold'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><=
span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:blue;font-w=
eight: bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><=
span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:blue;font-w=
eight: bold'>Gary &#8211; G4WGT &#8211; IO83qp</span></font></b><b><font col=
or=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weig=
ht:bold'><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

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Where is the mid band beacon  'Jumping Jack Splash' ?

There was some extended cw activity on the band to day but not a beep

Must still have a problem with the secondary spark gap !

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Hi lf-group,
i am sorry of my mistake,   DL3ZID JO53 8    is rigth. And i have some 
truble whith my PC-clock.
here is the complete list of decoded spots.

73 Eberhard


UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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103200  Transmitting: WSPR    CQ DL3ZID JO53                          
103600   5 -15  1.3 -1003  0                       
103600   6   2  1.5  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
104228  Transmitting: WSPR    DF0WD <DL3ZID> S1                       
104200   6   1  0.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
104545  Transmitting: WSPR    CQ DL3ZID JO53                          
104400   5 -15  1.2 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
104400   6 -12  1.2 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
104800  Transmitting: WSPR    DL3ZID J                                
105800   5 -11  1.1 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
110200   5   3  1.4  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
110200   1 -14  1.6  -983 -4                       
110200   5   2  1.4  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
110200   1 -15  1.6  -983 -4                       
110200   5   2  1.4  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
110200   1 -15  1.6  -983 -4                       
110200   5   2  1.4  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
110200   1 -15  1.6  -983 -4                       
110200   6   1  1.5  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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100600   7 -14 -2.2 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
100800   7   2 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
101000   7 -12 -2.3 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
101400  Transmitting: WSPR    DL3ZID J                                
101600  10   1 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
102000   7 -14 -2.3 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
102400   7 -13 -2.1 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
102800   6 -14 -2.2 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
104000   9   1 -1.7  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
105600   6 -12 -2.3 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
105600   8   1 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
111600   9 -13 -2.4 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
112400   9 -11 -2.3 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
113200   9 -12 -2.3 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
114000  10 -12 -2.3 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
114200   7 -19 -1.6  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
114400   7 -11 -2.3 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 27        
114600   7   1 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
114800   5 -18 -1.6  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
115400   8   2 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
115600   6 -17 -1.5  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
115800   8   1 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
120200   6 -17 -1.5  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
120600   5   2 -1.9  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
120800   6 -18 -1.6  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
121400   8 -19 -1.6  -936  0                       
121600   4  -5 -1.9  -993  0                       
122200   4 -11 -2.0  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 20        
122200   5 -18 -1.7  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
122800   8 -14 -2.1  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 20        
122800   5 -19 -1.6  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
123200  12 -14 -2.0  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 20        
123400   7 -13 -2.0  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 20        
123800   8   1 -1.9  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
124200   7   0 -1.8  -992  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
124600   7   0 -1.7  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 27        

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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130000   1 -24  0.3  -916  1                       
130200   7 -14 -2.2  -991  0  DF0WD JO42 13        
130600   9 -13 -2.0  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 17        
130800   7 -11 -2.0  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 17        
131200   7  -1 -1.8  -993  0  DF0WD JO42 27        
132200   4 -20 -1.8  -935  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
132200   5 -21 -2.0  -935  0  DF6NM JN59 23        

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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132800   8  -9 -1.7  -936  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
133047  Transmitting: WSPR    DL3ZID J                                

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
---------------------

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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134600   1 -26  6.2  -932 -1                       


UTC Date: 2009 Jan 17
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145002  Transmitting: WSPR    CQ DL3ZID JO53                          
150400   5 -21 -2.7  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
151400   6 -17 -0.5  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
152000   8 -15 -0.7  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
152600   2 -27  0.6  -946  0                       
152600   7 -13 -0.7  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
153400   7 -12 -0.3  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
154000   6 -13 -0.4  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
154600   7 -15 -0.6  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
155200   9 -17 -0.6  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
155800   5 -20 -0.6  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
160000   3 -21  1.0  -946  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
160400   7 -21 -0.5  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
160600   5 -22  1.2  -946  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
161000   9 -19 -0.5  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
161400   6 -20 -0.4  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
161800   6 -18  1.2  -946  0  DF6NM JN59 23        
162000   5 -24 -0.5  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
162400   4 -21  0.9  -946  0                       
162600   5 -23 -0.3  -927  0                       
163200   4 -23  0.9  -946  0                       
163200   4 -26 -0.7  -927  0                       
163800   3 -23 -0.4  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
164400   3 -24 -0.5  -926  0                       
164600   2 -23  1.3  -946  0                       
164600   3 -23  1.3  -945  0                       
165000   6 -21 -0.4  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
165400   8 -19  1.2  -945  0                       
165400   8 -19  1.2  -945  0                       
165400   8 -19  1.2  -945  0                       
170000   8 -22 -0.9  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
170200   5 -21  1.5  -945  0                       
170200  0  -16 -1.5 -709 16                                       
170200  0  -16  3.0 -703 36                                       
170200  0  -16  3.0 -703 36                                       
170400  0  -33  1.2 -685 37                                       
170600   5 -19 -0.7  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
171000   2 -25  1.5  -945  0                       
171200   9 -17 -0.9  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
171800   6 -17 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
172400   6 -16 -0.9  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
173000   7 -15 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
173600   7 -16 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
174200   7 -18 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
174800   6 -17 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
175400   7 -17 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
180000   8 -16 -0.8  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
180600   7 -15 -0.7  -926  0  F5WK JN18 37         
180600   5  -6 -0.7 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
181200   8 -16 -0.7  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
181400   7 -14 -0.6 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
181800   6 -16 -0.9  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         
182000   7 -16 -0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
182400   4 -15  1.0 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
182400   7 -17  0.9  -927  0  F5WK JN18 37         

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 18
---------------------
091200   6 -12 -1.1 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
092000   4 -15 -1.0 -1003 -1  M0BMU IO91 23        
092800   5 -14 -1.1 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
093400   1 -20  0.6 -1071  1                       
095600   1 -24  5.9  -916  0                       
100000   1 -23 -3.7  -893  0                       

UTC Date: 2009 Jan 18
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103800   5 -13  1.0 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104000   6 -14  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104000   6 -12  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104000   6 -13  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104200   6 -11  0.7 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104400   5 -11  0.8 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104600   5 -12  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
104800   5 -12  0.8 -1002  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
105000   5 -13  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
105200   4 -13  0.7 -1003  0  M0BMU IO91 23        
110800   4 -22  0.3  -936  1                       
111400   1 -23 -0.1  -936  0                       
113600   1 -28  2.1  -910 -1                       



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MF ops TR
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Seen here:
 
WX    +/-  137.775
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F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

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TNX for info and details, Henny!


* henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl> [Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:13:40 +0100]:
> Hello Roman,
>
> the antenne is a slooper 10 meters high,with the coil tuned on 137khz,
> also a tophat 2 times 10 meter,
> henny pa3cpm
> best 73s.

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Pat om
The newspapers are full of comments every day about how badly  A level stude=
nts are performing, how the pass mark has dropped and how education has decl=
ined over the years, and amateur radio exams are no different. How can multi=
ple choice papers, with all the answers written down, where the candidate ju=
st ticks a box be more difficult than sitting down with a blank piece of pap=
er, pencil and an exam question paper.
It stands to reason even if you know little or nothing about a subject and t=
ick a few boxes you could be lucky, but there is no element of luck with a b=
lank piece of paper, you must know your subject.
These observations are not mine alone, the daily press if full of adverse co=
mments about those in society than cannot read nor write nor count, and it i=
s a big percentage in excess of 20%.=20
Address your remarks to higher authority if you have a complaint and argue y=
our own corner, you do not know what opinions others have insulted or otherw=
ise. You have deviated away from the Subject, let us have your opinion on ru=
sty razors and high impedence ear pieces, and how to construct such devices,=
 you have passed a real radio amateur exam, so this should be old hat for yo=
u.  =20
Higher authority would be Newspaper Editors, Education Minister and director=
 of examination boards and the marking agency.
g3kev

 =20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: g4gvw@aol.com=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:10 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


  Mal,

  Bearing in mind that I was born in 1943 and did the RAE when it required F=
ULL WRITTEN answers AND hand drawn circuits with worked calculations I consi=
der your remark suggesting an ability only to be able to cope with multiple=20=
choice exam papers to be an impertinence.

  It is probable that others may feel equally ill-disposed and consider your=
 remarks to be the inflammatory cause of some of the trading of insults.

  Seems my wish for a more adult and mannered 2009 did not last long!

  73 de Pat G4GVW  =20





  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:59
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


  Stewart=20
  This is a simple exercise and NO ONE knows how to do it, plenty of comment=
s and deviations.=20
  An analogy=20
  =20
  1. Some HI TECH RAF pilots asked to fly a WW2 SPITFIRE and found it diffic=
ult and performed badly, needed training and tuition.=20
  =20
  2. Hi Performance students A + in their subjects could not pass a 1960 GCE=
 paper in maths and english.=20
  =20
  These were recent UK TV productions.=20
  =20
  RF engineers and improvisers are scarce it would appear both old and new.=20=
Digital and DC are abundant.=20
  =20
  Take away the Internet source, Maplins and Farnell and the electronics wor=
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  =20
  g3kev=20
  =20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:21 PM=20
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX=20
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  > mal hamilton wrote:=20
  >> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have=20
  >> had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to=20
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  >=20
  > I think that we all give up - just tell us how to do it.=20
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:13:26 +0100
Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:

> > Just started WSPR again, and see a nice bright trace at approx
> > 503.965 in the 20:40 slot, but again no decode. I see no-one else
> > reported a successful decode on WSPRnet at that time either. Looks
> > like still some problem?
> 
> Could it be that the station that does not decode, albeit being
> received strong, is not correctly time aligned ? Dimension4 is a very
> nice tool for this. And it is also free...
> 
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
> 
> 
> 


Alberto, 

I think the time is okay on G0NBD's PC, as the periods that do
decode show DT of 0.2 seconds, so no great problem I think. 

The decoding problems seem to be when the S/N rises above about -6dB
as reported by the software, as I can decode him well when the signal
drops below this level!

John



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Marcus

Looking good so far. Will see how the signal looks overnight.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2

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Hi Mal,


> It is hard to be perfect all the time,=20

I agree. I wasn't trying to take you to task for not being perfect - if it c=
ame across like that, I apologise. My point was that, when we criticise the=20=
younger generation, we should remember that we are imperfect too.


> I suppose this discussion makes a change from Digi boxes and rust razor bl=
ades hi

Actually, I think the discussions on rusty joint detectors, coherers and you=
r design challenge which sparked them off were some of the most entertaining=
 for some time :-)


Best regards,
Chris G4OKW


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Hi LF,

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My thanks to all who replied with help & advice, much appreciated.

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Cheers,

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Gary - G4WGT.

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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of andre kesteloot
Sent: 09 January 2009 22:25
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Subject: Re: LF: RS232 adapter

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Gary - G4WGT wrote:=20

Hi All,

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This may have been asked before.

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Will a USB to RS232 adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware
interface. My PC has only 1 RS232 port & no empty PCI slots.

=20

73,

=20

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

=20

Gary
Try to find an adapter that uses the "Prolific" chip-set. It supports all
RS232 commands
These adapters are available from Hong-Kong (including shipment to the US)
for $5 (yes $5)
Seems to be available for one British pound.
See
http://cgi.ebay.com.my/USB-2-0-TO-RS232-COM-9-PINS-PORT-SERIAL-CONVERT-ADAPT
ER_W0QQitemZ180318214306QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL?
hash=3Ditem180318214306
73
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>andre kesteloot<=
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1
RS232 port &amp; no empty PCI slots.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></b><o:p></o:=
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pt'>Gary</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><br>
Try to find an adapter that uses the &quot;Prolific&quot; chip-set. It suppo=
rts
all RS232 commands<br>
These adapters are available from Hong-Kong (including shipment to the <st1:=
country-region  w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">US</st1:place></st1:count=
ry-region>) for $5 (yes
$5)<br>
Seems to be available for one British pound.<br>
See <a  href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.com.my/USB-2-0-TO-RS232-COM-9-PINS-PORT-SERI=
AL-CONVERT-ADAPTER_W0QQitemZ180318214306QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Cabl=
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All is clear, Nicolas. In Moscow too it is snowing.
My beacon works on 137776,4 and in pauses
between "A" I clean off snow from antenna insulators:)

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


>Yes Andrey i retry next week end because snow in Paris and scheduled all night long.
>
>
>F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP
>
>RX : Icom IC7400
>Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010
>
>http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/
>
>
>Dans un e-mail daté du 05/01/2009 16:31:37 Paris, Madrid, rn3agc@mail.ru a écrit :
>Hello Nicolas, Henny, Lubos, Marco, LF,
>Thanks for the reports!
>
>Nicolas, you was yesterday very well visible on grabber DL2HRE.
>Can will try to work as a beacon all night long?
>It is very interesting to me to receive your signal.
>I think, and not only me.
>
>73
>Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV 



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 Mal,

Bearing in mind that I was born in 1943 and did the RAE when it required FULL WRITTEN answers AND hand drawn circuits with worked calculations I consider your remark suggesting an ability only to be able to cope with multiple choice exam papers to be an impertinence.

It is probable that others may feel equally ill-disposed and consider your remarks to be the inflammatory cause of some of the trading of insults.

Seems my wish for a more adult and mannered 2009 did not last long!

73 de Pat G4GVW ? 


 


 

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Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX









Stewart?

This is a simple exercise and NO ONE knows how to do it, plenty of comments 
and deviations.?

An analogy?
?

1. Some HI TECH RAF pilots asked to fly a WW2 SPITFIRE and found it 
difficult and performed badly, needed training and tuition.?
?

2. Hi Performance students A + in their subjects could not pass a 1960 GCE 
paper in maths and english.?
?

These were recent UK TV productions.?
?

RF engineers and improvisers  are scarce it would appear both old and new. 
Digital and DC are abundant.?
?

Take away the Internet source, Maplins and Farnell and the electronics world 
would collapse.?
?


g3kev?
?

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From: "Stewart Bryant" <stewart@g3ysx.org.uk>?

To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>?

Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:21 PM?

Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX?
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> mal hamilton wrote:?

>> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have?

>> had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to?

>> submit a cct I will await replies.?

>?

> I think that we all give up - just tell us how to do it.?

>?

> Stewart/G3YSX?

>?

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<div> Mal,<br>
<br>
<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bearing in mind that I was born in 1943 and did the RAE when it required FULL WRITTEN answers AND hand drawn circuits with worked calculations I consider your remark suggesting an ability only to be able to cope with multiple choice exam papers to be an impertinence.<br>
<br>
It is probable that others may feel equally ill-disposed and consider your remarks to be the inflammatory cause of some of the trading of insults.<br>
<br>
Seems my wish for a more adult and mannered 2009 did not last long!<br>
<br>
73 de Pat G4GVW &nbsp; </font><br>
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<br>






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Stewart&nbsp;<br>

This is a simple exercise and NO ONE knows how to do it, plenty of comments 
and deviations.&nbsp;<br>

An analogy&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

1. Some HI TECH RAF pilots asked to fly a WW2 SPITFIRE and found it 
difficult and performed badly, needed training and tuition.&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

2. Hi Performance students A + in their subjects could not pass a 1960 GCE 
paper in maths and english.&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

These were recent UK TV productions.&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

RF engineers and improvisers  are scarce it would appear both old and new. 
Digital and DC are abundant.&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

Take away the Internet source, Maplins and Farnell and the electronics world 
would collapse.&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>


g3kev&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

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From: "Stewart Bryant" &lt;<a href="mailto:stewart@g3ysx.org.uk">stewart@g3ysx.org.uk</a>&gt;&nbsp;<br>

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&nbsp;<br>


&gt; mal hamilton wrote:&nbsp;<br>

&gt;&gt; Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have&nbsp;<br>

&gt;&gt; had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to&nbsp;<br>

&gt;&gt; submit a cct I will await replies.&nbsp;<br>

&gt;&nbsp;<br>

&gt; I think that we all give up - just tell us how to do it.&nbsp;<br>

&gt;&nbsp;<br>

&gt; Stewart/G3YSX&nbsp;<br>

&gt;&nbsp;<br>

&gt;&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>


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Hello America,

anyone interested to look for Eu beacon signals around 136318 tonight?

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Hello Warren, LF!
There was a lot of noise last night. I saw traces of "XGJ" and signal from U=
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Klaus
I agree with your observations. Currently there is too much guesswork and 
imagination instead of getting on with more positive modes until such time 
as something more realistic comes along.
With wspr and some other digital modes if one did not ANNOUNCE the frequency 
of operation the transmission would NEVER be found.

mal/g3kev

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From: "Klaus von der Heide" <v.d.heide@on-line.de>
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Subject: Re: LF: PROPAGATION WSPR


>
>
> Hello Andy, Jim, Rik and all,
>
>
> yes it is just that what I wanted to point at:
> In a beacon mode we need not communicate information
> other than the confidence on the identity of the
> station "heard".
>
> Three years ago I implemented into my CWP-system
> exactly what Andy describes. Finding very weak
> constant non-drifting carriers is easy. But
> modulated, and heavily drifting signals as in my
> case of EME, that really is difficult.
> In the EME case the problem is home-made. Since
> the relative motion of Earth and Moon is known,
> and every operator knows his location on Earth,
> he could precisely compensate the drift such that
> the Moon hears him (and sends his signal back) on
> a constant frequency. And the receiver could
> compensate for it's own motion relative to the
> moon. But sometimes it seems to me that amateurs
> do not like to go the easiest way.
>
> Indeed, the WSPR system, i.e. the infra-structure
> as seen by the operator is fine. Unfortunately,
> the subsystem for communication via the radio
> waves could be better by more than 6 dB.
> Also finding a BPSK-signal is easier than WSPR.
>
> 73!
> Klaus, DJ5HG
>
>
>> Automatic monitoring of the signal strength / frequency of CW beacon
>> signals, including those that drift by a small amount, can be achieved
>> using signal processing techniqes borrowed from the radar and Comint
>> worlds.   Referred to as CFAR, or Constant False Alarm Rate, the
>> principle is to take an FFT of the wanted band, then obtain an
>> estimate of the noise level and all CARRIER type signals present by
>> using statistical techniques, like averaging over adjacent time
>> samples, searching adjacent bins and voting.
>>
>> I described the process in detail in the RadCom Data Column  in three
>> parts over April/June/August 2008  and it also appears in "Command"  [
>> http://www.rsgbshop.org/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Computing___Radio_39.html
>>  (still some copies left at bargain prices:) ]
>>
>> The S/N of any carrier that exceeds the noise level by a certain
>> minimum amount can be determined accurately by the monitoring process,
>> its frequency determined and drifting signals can be tracked.
>> Multiple carrier s can be tracked if needed  The process does not work
>> so reliably where signals are modulated, so clearly are not of much
>> use for situations where the beacon callsign etc is not known in
>> advance.    However, it can be made to work sucessfully on the
>> microwave bands, where beacons freqeuncies and locations are known in
>> advance.
>>
>> Microwave Beacon Monitoring software using CFAR techniqes and
>> including all source code can be found at :
>>    http://www.g4jnt.com/dspsw.htm
>> with an overview at    http://www.g4jnt.com/UWBCNMON.pdf
>>
>> This particular software is too wideband for LF use, but the code
>> could be modified for lower sampling rates and bandwidths, and used
>> for auto monitoring of QRSS signals, once their origin has been
>> determined by other means
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
>> > Hello Klaus,
>> >
>> >> On the other hand, WSPR has the advantage of automatic
>> >> recording. But that is not an advantage of the mode, it
>> >> simply is the lack of a corresponding simple program that
>> >> does the same with a QRSS signal.
>> >
>> > the automatic recording/reporting ability is clearly an advantage of 
>> > WSPR in
>> > regard with propagation studies. And I agree that QRSS or DFCW would 
>> > serve
>> > as well or even better if a similar automatic recording/reporting would 
>> > be
>> > provided.
>> > But I am afraid that a "waterfall display to ASCII" conversion is not 
>> > simple
>> > at all ;-)
>> >
>> >> Nevertheless, WSPR is not very near to the Shannon limit.
>> >> I spent nearly all my leisure time of the last year with
>> >> the design of a new digital ham radio QSO-mode HD43 that
>> >> comes as close as possible to the theoretical limit.
>> >> I will send a preprint on request.
>> >
>> > I am interested
>> >
>> > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T
>> >
>> >
>> > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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Hi Warren,
capture XGJ
Henny cpm
best 73s
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Hi LF,

 

I have set the Argo upload to delete the file from my hard disc after
uploading but it does not delete the files, is this a problem with the
software or is there something else I need to set.

 

I end up each morning with 3 folders full of grabs, I need to keep grabs
from my wide (499 to 510KHz) SpecLab for daily inspection & have the other 2
remove files after upload.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>I end up each morning with 3 fo=
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Graham, LF,

I set up 3 x Multipsk to decode the signals & went for meal.

I have returned to review the situation & it seems that each mode has decode=
d similarly. Of course due to the distance between us & signal strength I am=
 not surprised. Given a greater distance the results would have been quite d=
ifferent.

MFSK

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Olivia

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  g0nbd =20
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Gary - G4WGT.


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Dennis,

          Europe 1 is off the air from 0000 to 01:30 UTC each night,
that is when the  low power 184kHz beacon from VO1NA can be copied.
Iceland on 189kHz is very strong here most nights on the Northeast
coast of the US.
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On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Dennis <Dennis.Hennig@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Henny & others!
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> I see you Henny and some others observing the band for north american lowf=
er signals around 18xkHz.
> That's amazing, at least to me...
>
> How is it possible, that those very low power signals do make it through t=
he overlapping sidebands of much closer by and very very much stronger radio=
stations (300kW from Hellisandur/Iceland on 189kHz and 2000kW Europe1/German=
y on 183kHz?
>
> By the way, is there any chance to receive this Hellisandur 189kHz signal=20=
in western Europe? Havn't detect it with rather simple setups and indoor ant=
enna so far, but it might be an interesting propagation indicator?
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> Dennis
> DL6NVC
>
>
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>
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> Datum: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:25:19 +0100
>> Von: henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>
>> An: blacksheep <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Betreff: LF: 184khz
>
>> hi Joe
>> nothing seen
>> henny pa3cpm
>> best 73s
>
> --
> Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger geh=F6rt? Der kann`s mit allen:=
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Gary,=20

Your QRSS signal is clearly audible here at RST559.

Also audible are G3KEV QRSS and GW3UEP CW signals

73, Dave G3WWCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 03 January 2009 19:46
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: RE: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


Andy,

>>>>>>>> Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS would co-exist inside the tone spread.

I am just about to do that.

Gary - G4WGT.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 03 January 2009 19:22
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUN=
NING NOW - 1615 HRS

I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.

So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co=
m>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>
>> OLIVIA :
>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<Uq
>> 8
>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>> gnbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>
>>
>> MFSK8
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>>
>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
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John LF,

WOW !

Just testing home built 500KHz transverter, about 5 watts output. Never
expected a report but I can even see it on your grabber & the vertical
antenna is lowered to 9mtrs.

It's my first WSPR Tx on 500KHz.
Thanks for the report John.

Gary - G4WGT.

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Hello Gary, LF

090118 1714   8 -25  1.1   0.503599  G4WGT IO83 37 

First WSPR on 500kHz

Reporting to WSPRNET

Cheers,
John



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Hello Marco and LF,

the strong lower "Y" was actually my "NM", the real "Y" directly above that=20=
is RA3YO. Here is a list of frequencies observed this evening (Jan 4th):

778.65  "RU"  RU6LA
778.26 /.36  "Y"  RA3YO
777.90 /778.00  "NM"  DF6NM
777.45 "WPF"  UA4WPF
776.22 /.32  "AGC"  RN3AGC
776.0  "S"  UA9CS ?
775.50  "WX"  DJ8WX
774.99  "DTL"  F4DTL

As far as I could see, "RU", "Y", "WPF" and "S" were well readable at differ=
ent times on the Chinese KL1X screenshots. I was also pleased to see that "N=
M" at least managed to get a few singular dashes across between 21:55 and 22=
:13.

Many thanks to Laurence for setting up his receiver and triggering all this=20=
activity!

Kind regards=20
Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Scholz, Marco=20
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  Hello,

  also good copy of AGC and very strong Y ~1.7Hz above agc. Not sure if the=20=
signal above the Y is RU in a slower mode as QRSS60?

  good night, vy73

  Marco

  DD7PC

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<DIV>Hello Marco and LF,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>the strong lower "Y" was actually my "NM", the real "Y"&nbsp;directly a=
bove=20
that is RA3YO.&nbsp;Here is a list of frequencies observed&nbsp;this evening=
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(Jan 4th):</DIV>
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<DIV>778.65&nbsp; "RU" &nbsp;RU6LA</DIV>
<DIV>778.26 /.36&nbsp; "Y" &nbsp;RA3YO</DIV>
<DIV>777.90 /778.00&nbsp; "NM"&nbsp; DF6NM</DIV>
<DIV>777.45 "WPF"&nbsp; UA4WPF</DIV>
<DIV>776.22 /.32 &nbsp;"AGC"&nbsp; RN3AGC</DIV>
<DIV>776.0&nbsp; "S"&nbsp; UA9CS ?</DIV>
<DIV>775.50&nbsp; "WX"&nbsp; DJ8WX</DIV>
<DIV>774.99&nbsp; "DTL"&nbsp; F4DTL</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>As far as I could see, "RU", "Y", "WPF" and "S" were well readable&nbsp=
;at=20
different times on the Chinese KL1X screenshots.&nbsp;I was also&nbsp;please=
d to=20
see that "NM" at least managed to&nbsp;get&nbsp;a few singular=20
dashes&nbsp;across between 21:55 and 22:13.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Many thanks to Laurence for setting up his receiver and triggering all=20=
this=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Kind regards </DIV>
<DIV>Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK</DIV>
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  <P><SPAN class=3D509531923-04012009>Hello,</SPAN></P>
  <P><SPAN class=3D509531923-04012009>also good copy of AGC and very strong=20=
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  night, vy73</SPAN></P>
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Oh, those things!

Have seen them before but never knew the name.

Still a few adaptors for them sculling around in the lab at work -
somehow they escaped being put into thd skip when we rationalised and
moved location recently.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/26 Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>:
> The GR-874 is an early GenRad "genderless" connector I am sure even a "young
> lad" like you will have seen them on admittanace bridges and old sig gens.
> They just plug together...good to 1500HMz with the threaded sleeve to reduce
> leakage.
>
> Alan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:06 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Censorship
>
>
>> Come on then - explain :-)
>> Never even heard of GR-874
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/26 Mark <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk>:
>> > GR-874 I haven't seen any of those for a while, but I can see how any
>> > description of them may be misinterpreted
>>
>
>
>


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mal hamilton wrote:
> Andy and the Digi Boys
> Would it be possible to move to 1.9 mhz and upwards and leave 137 and 500 
> khz to the discerning CW radio amateurs
> de mal/g3kev

Please don't listen to Mal. I am much interested in receiving digital signals
on the 137 and the 500 kHz bands. Much more interesting than boring dih-dah-dih.

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:41:35 +0200
Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi> wrote:

> Hello John!
> 
> Nice to get a report from the Shetland Islands too

Hello again,

I have tried, with a narrow AF filter, and can just detect by ear your
QRSS dashes. I must admit that without the Spec Lab waterfall I'd not
really be sure I was hearing you, but there's no doubt that I can
detect your signal by ear...!


Cheers,

John


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Dear Andrey, LF Group

Thanks for the screen shot. I guess you are still having problems getting 
WSPR to work properly - so I have attached a spectrogram of the transmitted 
signal so that you can use a "human WSPR decoder" instead :-). Seriously, 
you can just about see enough detail in the two spectrograms to be fairly 
certain it is the same signal you received.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Hello Markus,
Accept my congratulations!!!

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


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James Moritz wrote:
> Dear LF Group,
> 
> I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/- 
> (136.0kHz "dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any reports 
> would be very welcome.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU

Hello Jim

090111 1956  17 -15  1.0   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090111 2002  19 -13  1.0   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0

73 Ko, NL9222


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Hi Vern,

184.5092 kHz and QRSS75

I've copied it in PEI during the summer so it should be easy for you
on qrss60.

73
Joe

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009, Vernon Matheson wrote:

>
> Joe what is your exact TX freq these days on 184 and are you using QRSS60?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Vernon - VE1VDM
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Mal,

I have done it when I was 14 years old, it is not that difficult and =20
is described in books and on the web.
What is the point that I (or others) have to prove to you that we know ?
Or do I have to pass an exam with you ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> It seems everyone is MISSING THE POINT. I want someone to describe  =20
> how to make  RX using a RAZOR blade detector and also how to make  =20
> the HEADPHONE needed to hear the signal, using the sort of  =20
> components a soldier would have on the battlefront or a POW.
> Stick to the specific topic. I think noone knows how to do it.Think  =20
> 1940 period and what was available.
> g3kev
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: M0FMT
>   To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:23 PM
>   Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?
>
>
>         Hi Mal and LF
>
>         I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope  =20
> detector. A true CW man, I would have thought, should only entertain =20
>  the use of a Cohere detector!
>
>         Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work  =20
> over a range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P)  =20
> probably work over a much lager range of frequencies but not tested  =20
> by me.
>
>         http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm
>
>         73 pefmt
>
>
>
>         --- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>           From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
>           Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
>           To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>           Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM
>
>
>           Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not =20
>  info from the web.
>           g3kev
>
>             ----- Original Message -----
>             From: riese-k3djc@juno.com
>             To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>             Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM
>             Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
>
>
>             310113517964   E bay too
>
>             On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton"  =20
> <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> writes:
>               Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a  =20
> while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give others =20
>  the opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method  =20
> was used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC  =20
> broadcasts.
>               Let us know how you would approach the subject. This  =20
> is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were  =20
> receicved on these bands.
>               Build one and have a QSO using this RX
>               g3kev
>
>
>
>
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Dear Jim & LF,

Thanks for all the trouble you've gone to Jim, the resulst show it was
worthwhile.

I'll have a look at the pattern of s/n versus time after daylight and
see how things went overnight. There seems to have been a peak at
around 0720, up to -5dB. It's still dark here, and won't be light for a
wee while yet, sunrise is 08:52.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV


 On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:15:49 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear Vern, LF Group,
> 
> Just woke up after setting the alarm clock to check all OK with the
> TX and antenna here, and was very pleasantly surprised to see your
> decodes of my WSPR signal. I am running well under the full 1W ERP (I
> estimate about 300mW) due to antenna limitations here, and so was not
> seriously expecting transatlantic reception. So this is excellent
> news!
> 
> Since all seems OK, and sigs still being copied by GM4SLV and DF6NM,
> I may as well keep the beacon running until morning and see how
> things change at sunrise. Back to bed now - at least that made it
> worthwhile dragging myself out at this unearthly hour!
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Vern - VE1VDM" <vmath@eastlink.ca>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:25 AM
> Subject: LF: 136khz WSPR
> 
> 
> > How about that.....well done guys!!!! I am very excited about
> > this....
> >
> > Vernon - FN85ki
> >
> >
> > 090114 2232   1 -24  5.9   0.137510  73 DE SCP/LN8PHG        0
> > 7540   32 090115 0016   1 -26  0.2   0.137500  M0BMU IO91
> > 23           0    47    0 090115 0020   3 -26  0.3   0.137500
> > M0BMU IO91 23           0  2839    0 090115 0046   2 -29  0.4
> > 0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23           0   355    0
> > 
> 
> 


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Log of the past few hours. Rx Perseus, antenna Roelof mini-whip
Using Winrad->VAC->WSPR 1.01

090125 1800   4 -26  1.5   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0  4464    0
090125 1808   3 -29  1.5   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0   277    0
090125 1812   3 -29  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0   531    0
090125 1816   5 -27  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0    81    0
090125 1834  16 -16  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 1838   1 -31  1.5   0.503469  G4JNT IO90 23  -1 19315  -46
090125 1840  12 -19  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2030   7 -25  1.6   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0     1    0
090125 2100   6 -26  1.5   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0     1    0

Locator here is JN45sl, so the QRB is

M0BMU  IO91vr  997 km   620 mi
G4JNT  IO90    963 km   598 mi

73  Alberto  I2PHD





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M0BMU and G0NBD are logged in JN18FP via WSPR spots.
 
 
F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010

_http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/) 

 
 
I plan to operate the WSPR beacon again on 503.51kHz +/- RF (0.502MHz  "dial 
frequency") from around 2200utc. Any reports would be very  welcome.  The TX 
will be on 33% duty cycle, so if anyone else wants to  join in, I should be 
able to give reports too.

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Ok , Tnx Lubos , I started my grabber in "asia" direction , nil at moment !

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That Indian curry has certainly stimulated the mind now into the Megacycles 
range.
Don't get convulsions !!!!!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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Amateur bands are typically 2 to 10% of their centre frequency, so
lets take a figure of 5%, giving a useable band 95uHz wide.  Allow a
waveform that criutically fits inside this bandwidth - OFDM or MFSK
fit the bill nicely as they both have 'brick wall' frequency spectra,
so with really good coding we ought to be able to fit in about  100 -
200 u Bits/s, or one bit per 500 - 10000s.  Say one bit per hour.

We will use a codebook based approach to coding callsigns and reports
so as to compress a message into the smallest space possible:  say a
maximum of 256 stations on the band in the world,  means 8 bits need
to be allocated to callsign, and four possible reports
(poor/marginal/OK/strong) gives 10 bits per QSO.  Add two more bits
for QSO formatting and we end up with 12 bits of data per frame .   We
will need good error correction, so make it a convolutional rate half
code - 24 bits in total.  A QSO needs a minimum of two overs each for
full acknowledgement each way so at least 96 bits need to be
exchanged.   If no further overhead is used, the QSO could therefore
be completed in four days.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/18 Wolfgang Büscher <dl4yhf@freenet.de>:
> John wrote:
>>
>> 1.9mhz - now what sort of signalling rate can you get on 160Gm?
>>
>> John F5VLF
>>
>>
>
> ;o)
> Need a pretty decent antenna length for that, right ?
> And just consider the 1/f noise in the milliHertz receiver - use liquid
> helium cooling for the frontend ;-)
>
>
>



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Just realised.  The WSPR Software won't accept any-old value typed
into the Tx power box.  It has to be one from a pull down menu.
Nearest options are 23 or 27dBm.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/25 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>:
> I thought I'd set an ERP of 25dBm in the setup, will have to check...
>  My ERP is around that figure when hitting antenna with 80 Watts.
>
> Not too happy with the WSPR windoze software.  The COM port operation
> of Tx doesn't, properly.   On going from Tx to Rx it blips the RTS/DTR
> lines but then stays with them active.  So the right port is selected
> (COM1 ), but they are not toggling properly, just a quick blip.
> Other software handles the DTR / RTS control properly.
>
> Audio VOX required, methinks.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/25 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
>> Hello Andy & LF,
>>
>> I've just started receiving WSPR transmission from Andy G4JNT, first
>> decode seems to have been 0902 UTC
>>
>> All spots are being uploaded to WSPRnet
>>
>> Nice work, for daytime, almost 1100km, well done.
>>
>> Your WSPR signal impliesTX power of 0dBm - it that estimated ERP, or a
>> configuration error?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>


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Jean-Pierre MÃ©rÃ© (F1AFJ) Ð¿Ð¸ÑˆÐµÑ‚:

> Copy on the grabber this W E :
> YO , RU , NM , WPF , AGC , WX , DTL , XKO , XGJ ( enormous pile up ! )

accused of it BY3A-KL1X!

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Jean-Pierre, Lubos, Victor,

Thank you for the captures, reports and comments!
But WD2XGJ is running the low power TX only!
WD2XGJ at 250 watts (maybe a little less!)

Very good band conditions!

--=20
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
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                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1
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> Very good copy of "XGJ" this night ! visible until 08:45 ( sunrise 06:45 )
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
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Mal

Nothing at all so far. Have to leave in another 15 minutes...sorry...

Jay

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  Jay
  Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and agn=
 2214 utc
  It looks ok so far.
  mal
  g3kev

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    Mal

    If you can operate duplex like last time perhaps you should begin transm=
itting at 2200Z and I'll break in when I see your signal. You had better cop=
y on my signal last time. Unfortunately I can only hang around until 2330Z t=
onight. Frequencies are as you stated in your previous e mail.=20

    Jay



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      Jay
      Sunset ur end  could be a good start time. I can work Russians sunset=20=
and before fm here across as far as UA9 es UA0 and ZL.

      73 mal/g3kev

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        Mal

        Antenna is back up in the air here...but we're expecting a snow stor=
m starting mid afternoon running through tomorrow morning. Suspect static le=
vels will be high but will be happy to take a look...if you care to transmit=
 at a specific time.

        Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
          ----- Original Message -----=20
          From: mal hamilton=20
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          MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone a=
vailable this week end.
          Temp minus 3 today so far antenna ok

          mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nothing at all so far. Have to leave in ano=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb,=
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  seen 2207 then gap and agn 2214 utc</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It looks ok so far.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A         title=3Drsgb_lf_=
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      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sunset ur end&nbsp; could be a good s=
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      time. I can work Russians sunset and before fm here across as far as U=
A9=20
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      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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        <A title=3Djrusgrove@comcast.net           href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@=
comcast.net">jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A           title=3Drsgb=
_lf_group@blacksheep.org           href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o=
rg">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
        </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2=
009=20
        3:21 PM</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: MF CONDX</DI=
V>
        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antenna is back up in the air here.=
..but=20
        we're expecting a snow storm starting mid afternoon running through=20
        tomorrow morning. Suspect static levels will be high but will be hap=
py=20
        to take a look...if you care to transmit at a specific=20
time.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp;=20
        WE2XGR/2</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr           style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING=
-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT:=20=
0px">
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV=
>
          <DIV             style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; f=
ont-color: black"><B>From:</B>=20
          <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.=
net">mal=20
          hamilton</A> </DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A             title=
=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org             href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@bla=
cksheep.org">rsgb</A> </DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10,=
 2009=20
          9:46 AM</DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: MF CONDX</DIV>
          <DIV><BR></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF condx vy good at present. Now=20=
is the=20
          time for TR&nbsp;QSO'S anyone available this week end.</FONT></DIV=
>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Temp minus 3 today so far antenna=
=20
          ok</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <P>
        <HR>

        <P></P><BR>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AV=
G -=20
        http://www.avg.com <BR>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1=
885=20
        - Release Date: 1/9/2009 7:59 PM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <P>
    <HR>

    <P></P><BR>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG -=20
    http://www.avg.com <BR>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1885=20=
-=20
    Release Date: 1/9/2009 7:59 PM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTM=
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Hello Joe ,

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Hello Markus, LF!
Many thanks for your info about Russian Loran (GRI 8000), it=B4s this!

Here is my picture of Luxembourg effect in JN88KS. Very strong signal.

Lubos, OK2BVG

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> From: markusvester@aol.com
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:22:41 +0100
> Subject: LF: Re: Luxembourg
>=20
> .. this is the cross modulation signature on the RN3AGC grabber. The patte=
rn was also visible on F1AFJ's screen. - 73, Markus
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:52 AM
> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz, Luxembourg
>=20
>=20
>  The band is fairly quiet tonight. Twice for a few minutes around 23:23 an=
d 23:33, there were strong Luxembourg sideband carriers
>  simultaneously on both HGA and DCF. They were apparently caused by a 1054=
 Hz sinusoidal modulation test tone (sidebands at 136.484,
>  75 uV/m and 137.776 kHz, 13 uV/m). There was also a -20 dB second harmoni=
c component (137.538, 6 uV/m and 136.722, 1.5 uV/m), due=20
> to
>  the square-law charasteristic of the heating effect.
>=20
>  Kind regards,
> Marksu, DF6NM
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Hello Markus, LF!<br>Many thanks for your info about Russian Loran (GRI 8000=
), it=B4s this!<br><br>Here is my picture of Luxembourg effect in JN88KS. Ve=
ry strong signal.<br><br>Lubos, OK2BVG<br><br>******************************=
********************<br><br>&gt; From: markusvester@aol.com<br>&gt; To: rsgb=
_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>&gt; Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:22:41 +0100<br>&g=
t; Subject: LF: Re: Luxembourg<br>&gt; <br>&gt; .. this is the cross modulat=
ion signature on the RN3AGC grabber. The pattern was also visible on F1AFJ's=
 screen. - 73, Markus<br>&gt; <br>&gt; ----- Original Message ----- <br>&gt;=
 From: "Markus Vester" &lt;markusvester@aol.com&gt;<br>&gt; To: &lt;rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org&gt;<br>&gt; Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:52 AM<b=
r>&gt; Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz, Luxembourg<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <=
br>&gt;  The band is fairly quiet tonight. Twice for a few minutes around 23=
:23 and 23:33, there were strong Luxembourg sideband carriers<br>&gt;  simul=
taneously on both HGA and DCF. They were apparently caused by a 1054 Hz sinu=
soidal modulation test tone (sidebands at 136.484,<br>&gt;  75 uV/m and 137.=
776 kHz, 13 uV/m). There was also a -20 dB second harmonic component (137.53=
8, 6 uV/m and 136.722, 1.5 uV/m), due <br>&gt; to<br>&gt;  the square-law ch=
arasteristic of the heating effect.<br>&gt; <br>&gt;  Kind regards,<br>&gt;=20=
Marksu, DF6NM<br>&gt;  <br><br /><hr />St=E1hn=ECte si zcela nov=FD Messenge=
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Hi my dear friend Victor !
No problem, i hope to meet you in next time .
Happy new year and i wish good health to you and your family .
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Looked...but no joy.

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> Dear LF Group,
> 
> The WSPR beacon is now QRT at 0206utc - I was worried about falling asleep 
> with 900W going up the antenna, which is now waving around a lot in the 
> wind!
> 
> Many thanks for all the reports, which have made this a successful first 
> attempt at WSPR on 136k for this station.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU 
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Hi Dave, thanks for the post.  Nothing like a discussion about simple 
antennas which work magically :-)
Your sketch shows a short at the point where the 1' wide feedline 
connects to the loop (if I interpret it correctly).  May I safely 
assume that's an oversight and not some fancy hairpin matching device?

At 07:47 AM 1/21/2009, you wrote:
>Noticed same thing here, Paul with e-antennas, so tried this and it 
>serves well from 17.2 kc. to 6 meters.
>Pulled down all the other wire antennas, no more ground radials or 
>top load wires needed, plus is more quiet on RX.
>Gets out well on 600M too.  160M, 80M, 30M, it doesn't care where it tunes...
>Mostly no de-tuning with snow and wet...  ( maybe 2 kc. )
>
>TNX de Dave @ WD2XSH/17
>
>ref: www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP1107.jpg



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It's not even lunch time here!!! hi hi...It was pretty quiet last night
on 600m. I chatted with Pat XSH/6 for a bit at 0520z. Regular CW
too...hi hi<br>
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Mike<br>
WE0H<br>
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Hi all,

good signals from Warren and Joe,

73

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Now 30 to 40 dB over the noise.

John Rabson F5VLF
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On 16/01/2009 at 21:08 Michel F5WK wrote:

>Hello LF,
>
>I will run a wspr beacon on saturday's afternoon/night at the local
>radioclub.
>It's a portable like operation as the antenna has to be raised first,
>hopefully the top load is already installed.
>
>The transmitter is working in full FSK, therefore is able to run at 500
>watts RF output (DDS + PIC controlled)
>If weather's conditions are poor, output power will be lowered to 400
>watts.
>Calculated/guessed ERP around 250 mW
>
>Frequency: 137577.77 Hz
>
>Expected start at 16:00 UTC
>Expected end   at 01:00 UTC
>
>Reports are welcome, through this reflector or the WSPR Spot Database (the
>club has a sometimes_working internet access)
>
>73,
>
>Michel Brunel / f5wk
>
>--






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John, LF,

I note that Jim's WSPR is showing 4 locator characters on my WSPR list but 6
on the spots page.

Gary - G4WGT.

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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:39:20 +0000
Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Signal on 503870000mHz, 33% T/R cycle  being radiated now...
> 
>
1st decode was +1dB s/n

2nd dropped to -15dB

That's QSB for you!

Cheers,

John


p.s. Is there any chance of adding a more accurate (ie 6-figure)
locator to the database? I think the WSPRnet database stores the full
6-figure one when you report a spot, and then uses it from then on - as
long as you've set 6-figures in the software options. Only 4-figures
are sent as part of the beacon, and without an uploaded spot from you
with 6-figure locator we're stuck with the lower resolution. Of course
if you don't upload any spots then this can't be resolved?






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Thanks to Henny, Lubos, Victor, Markus, Jean-Pierre, Dmitry, and
Laurence for the reports, captures, and grabbers!
-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
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2009/1/6 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:
> hi Warren,
> capture xgj
> henny pa3cpm
> 73s
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Doc
Its hard to believe so many people are missing the point. No one has yet 
mentioned how to make the device. How to set the RAZOR blade detector up and 
how to construct the EARPHONE needed.
What is the impedence of the earphone and how a person would make one 
especially in 1940, although it would still apply today
g3kev

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> Ah!
>
> Crystal sets! More of the joy of analog....
>
> Doc,
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 15:54
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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>
> Mal,
>
> I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector when I
> was 14 years old.
> It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor
> detector.
> And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
>
> Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
>> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I
>> have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the
>> opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was
>> used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC
>> broadcasts.
>> Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable
>> to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these
>> bands.
>> Build one and have a QSO using this RX
>> g3kev
>>
>
>
>
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>
>
>


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LF,

 

WE2XGR/6 very strong signal at 0248utc this morning.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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Hello Roman,

the antenne is a slooper 10 meters high,with the coil tuned on 137khz,
also a tophat 2 times 10 meter,
henny pa3cpm
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq
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Scott
This is a bit over the top for a 3 khz slot. This was never authorised by 
OFCOM.as a mode on 500 khz.
g3kev


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> Gee I never thought I'd agree with Mal on something.
>
> ;-) Scott
> VE7TIL
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>
>
> mal hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Taking up 1 khz bandwidth in a 3 khz slot.
>> QRM GENERATOR
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:30 PM
>> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>>
>>
>>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>>>
>>> centre frequency  503 khz
>>>
>>> tx mode usb
>>>
>>> power 30 watts tune signal
>>>
>>> Will send for next few hours
>>>
>>> Reports welcome
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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    G3KEV does not use BEACON MODE. I call CQ on 502.57 QSK QSK QSK and I am 
always in the shack when doing so to respond to anyone that breaks in. Sri 
Jim but you have got it WRONG.
I use NORMAL CW but do respond to QRS 3 at times when I have no other 
choice, certainly not my preferred mode.
I do not operate slower than qrs3.
de mal/g3kev

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> Dear Andy,
>
> I don't think there is a formal band plan as such, but informally, data
> modes and QRSS usually inhabit the range 503.0 - 504.0, the centre of CW
> activity is 502.5, some stations use the 501.0 - 502.0 kHz range for 
> beacon
> transmission, and 502.57 is G3KEV...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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>
>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>
>


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PG
Although I have not promped you, how did you arrive at this conclusion. Your 
opinion agrees with mine. Have you arrived at an answer yet?
At a pinch I could present the same question in a multiple choice format. 
Would this help I appreciate your input but keep it civil, don't wander off 
into Attach mode.
g3lkev


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> mal hamilton wrote:
>
>> I already know all the answers.
>
> Yes, as you've told us many many many many times.....
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First decode here  at 2156

2009-01-31 21:58   WE2XGR   0.508511   -18   0   FN31   +57   501.187
 GM4SLV   IP90gg   5134   3190
 2009-01-31 21:56   WE2XGR   0.508510   -27   0   FN31   +57   501.187
  G4JNT   IO90iv   5399   3355
 2009-01-31 21:56   WE2XGR   0.508511   -18   0   FN31   +57   501.187
  GM4SLV   IP90gg   5134   3190
 2009-01-31 21:56   WE2XGR   0.508510   -27   0   FN31   +57   501.187
  K3SIW   EN52ta   1272   790
 2009-01-31 21:54   WE2XGR   0.508511   -20   0   FN31   +57   501.187
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2009/1/31 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
> Jay,
>
> first traces at 2132Z, first decode at 2144Z.
> Seems it took your signal about 20 minutes to travel 1000km more south
>
> What power - antenna - ERP are you running ?
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
> Quoting jrusgrove@comcast.net:
>
>> John
>>
>> See your first reception at 2122Z at -28 show up on the WSPR database a
>> few minutes ago. That's 44 minutes before our sunset. Nice!
>>
>> Jay  W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P-G"
>> <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR/2 in WSPR mode
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:35:48 -0500
>>> <jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John, Rik and group
>>>>
>>>> Confirming that WE2XGR/2 TX is up and WSPRing. Will continue
>>>> transmissions until at least 0000Z and probably beyond.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1st decode at 21:22 -28dB
>>>
>>> Some faint traces visible on prior periods.
>>>
>>> Looking good for the rest of the evening,
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>
>
>
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Hello LF-wisperers,

I was wondering if F5WK doesn't send wspr spots for M0BMU, and found this:
He's sending spots from the future back into the presence ;-)

http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=f5wk&sort=date

Seen there (2009-01-17 at 21:22 UTC) :

2009-01-17 00:12     M0BMU       0.137500    -2      0       IO91    +27  
 0.501       F5WK    JN18hp      409     254 
 2009-01-17 00:04    M0BMU       0.137500    -2      0       IO91    +27  
 0.501       F5WK    JN18hp      409     254 
 2009-01-16 23:56    M0BMU       0.137500    -3      0       IO91    +27  
 0.501       F5WK    JN18hp      409     254 


So the RX situation looks quite nice, and the TX power @ f5wk must be a 
bit less than +37 dBm :o]

Here at home, less impressiove SNR, but at least copy of both stns:

2110 -20  0.0   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37
2112 -21 -0.1   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2116 -22 -0.1   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2116 -19  0.2   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37
2122 -23 -0.1   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2122 -21  0.2   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37


73,
  Wolf .




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Hello LF!

Transmitting CW ID + QRSS3 ID on 136.80kHz.


Again, thanks for all reports on last night's activity.

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Dear wisperers,

it's getting crowdy at the top of the band: 5 stations recorded.
I am running WSJT7 and WSPR together and it works fine except for one  
odd event: WSPR missed the entire 20:08 slot (although 3 traces  
visisble) while WSJT7 recorded them all. I noticed that the noise  
level was up, close to "red". Maybe WSPR is more sensistive to  
overload ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Hello Henny, Jean Pierre, Victor and LF Group,

This morning I was alerted to a problem with the LF aerial by
loud bursts of static duuring the news broadcast on the
AM radio.  When the sun rose, it could be seen that the far end
had become detached from the tower as a result of last nights
strong winds.

The TX will be off the air until this can be repaired.

Thanks to all for the reports and kind words.

73
Joe
VO1NA

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, henny van elst wrote:

> Hi Joe and All,
> nothing seen Joe,
>
> henny pa3cpm
> 73s
>


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Eureka!!

>From a fresh download of QSPR WSPR v1.01

0151  -24    0.8   0.503499   0  M0BMU IO91 30
0159  -22    0.8   0.503499   0  M0BMU IO91 30


ARGO looks like bi level code now and I can hear it...
( sounded like RYRYRYRY at first )


Guess WSPR is better than CW...

Whudda thunk it??

Gotta go, Zed Cars and Magrait are on the telly... cheerie...

73s de Sparks Dave ( retired )










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Hi Warren,

capture XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
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Dear Dave, LF Group,

I looked at the NEHRS web site but am not much the wiser about what the 
nature of their project is - do you have any other info?

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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NEWS FLASH
The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF
CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts...



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CAPTURE 137KHZ
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henny pa3cpm
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Hello Markus and Jim, goodnight and see yu later.
Enjoy LF WSPR
 
F4DTL NICOLAS
 
090111 2224  16 -16  1.5   0.137500  M0BMU IO91  23           
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Jim
Today I have dismantled the 190m loop and erected another 1/4 wave inv L for 
500 and testing at present. First observations indicate more noise but 
signal is still strong in spite of noise.ie sig over noise still good.
DI2AG qrp beacon has noticeable fade, it shows that qrp definitely suffers 
more fade than qro beacons like DI2AM, virtually no fade noticeable.
73 mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
> That is an interesting experiment - It would be interesting to know how 
> far
> apart the loops are to result in different fading patterns.
>
> I would be very wary in interpreting the results from two totally 
> different
> types of receiver - The SLM has essentially a fixed gain, while I see the
> IC-746 has a DSP "back end" with complex AGC loops acting on both analogue
> and digital parts. I guess the AGC in the IC746 is never totally disabled 
> in
> order to prevent overloading of the A/D converter. So that may explain why
> loop "B" has a more constant apparent output level. One check would be to
> swap over the antennas between receivers, and see what difference that 
> made.
> I suppose it would not be too difficult to have, say, a relay that 
> switched
> the same RX input between the two antennas, perhaps every 10 or 20s or so,
> with an attenuator pad to get the signal levels roughly equal. That way ,
> the comparison could be made with a single receiver.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> To: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:48 PM
> Subject: LF: Antenna Diversity
>
>
> LF/MF
> I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using two
> loops...
>
>


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Hello Jim:

I'll be looking for you stateside tonite, let's hope for 
some phenomenal propagation, 73, and good luck:

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN.
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 184.322 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35* 43' 54" - W:  84* 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr


--- On Wed, 1/7/09, James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> From: James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> Subject: LF: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:34 PM
> Dear LF Group,
> 
> I plan to operate the WSPR beacon again on 503.51kHz +/- RF
> (0.502MHz "dial frequency") from around 2200utc.
> Any reports would be very welcome.  The TX will be on 33%
> duty cycle, so if anyone else wants to join in, I should be
> able to give reports too.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU


      


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"YO" started at 13:00UT on my monitor.

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Hi John,

when I used a positive Dsec setting (eg. +1.5) in WSPR 1.01 to compensate for a PC clock running slightly behind UT, the reports 
came up with a timestamp from the past minute.

This evening I could make out all five traces in the spectrogram, but only the stronger ones (BMU, JNT, NBD) were decoded.

Markus, DF6NM

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And occasionally one sees spots reported at WSPRnet with an ODD minute
timestamp - how's that done?

John




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Hi David and All

Although not LF related LASER DXing does share alot of common problems 
and solutions.

Here's a couple of links to some of the developments in the LASER DX area:
http://mail.rochester.edu/~af006m/LaserScatter.html
http://www.k3pgp.org/laserscatter.htm

I have here a 35 laser diode array at 100mW each that will someday 
become my laser EME rig...  A big project but lots of fun :-)

Hope you find this interesting.

73 Scott


G0MRF@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 31/12/2008 22:36:57 GMT Standard Time, 
> sthed475@telus.net writes:
>
>     Hi David
>
>     I've used JT65 to listen to cloud backscatter as well with a small
>     laser
>     radar system I built.  If only someone else out here had such a
>     rig :-)
>
>     73 Scott
>
> Hi Scott / Gary.
>  
> I have tried JT65 and some early versions of the mHz bandwidth 
> modulation systems using soundcards and lasers. Unfortunately the 
> soundcard program, which was presented a couple of years ago at a 
> microwave update by its US originator, suffered from drift in the 
> soundcard reference oscillator.
> At the time I wondered if the system would work for LF, but given the 
> problems I encountered with the laser, I didn't try to adapt it.
>  
> Although I do have a 20mW laser TX, I can't try any cloud bounce from 
> here as my QTH is only 5km from Heathrow airport.
>  
> HNY
>  
> David  G0MRF    - ( Best 2 way laser DX = 76.8km in good ol' CW)


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Hello Warren , LF ,
Very good copy of "XGJ" this night ! visible until 08:45 ( sunrise 06:45 )
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj


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TNX G, guess it was a bogus sig that shows up here often...

Also TU fer grabber url

Looks possibly good for tonight T/A with particle density @ 8.3 right now??

http://dx.qsl.net/propagation/propagation.html  Havn't figured this out 
yet...

73s from

Dave


----- Original Message ----- 
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>I don't think there is any 500 activity to  night ?
>
> This grabber is a good indication !
>
> http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/500-khz-grabbers
>
> G ..
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:59 AM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR
>
>>
>> Am I on the right track.??.
>>
>> Short of downloading the WSPR software, this is what I see tonight near
>> 503.500...
>>
>> SpectraVue http://www.radiocom.net/600M/WSPR503500.bmp
>>
>> And on ARGO QRSS3 a few hertz below 503.5 =
>> http://www.radiocom.net/600M/WSPR00000.jpg
>>
>> Looks louder and cleaner on QRSS10
>>
>> Lots of QRN tonight...
>>
>> Or is it just a birdy??
>>
>>
>> TNX
>>
>> Dave @ WD2XSH/17  ( in the colonies )
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Shouldn't they be marked as such by the program ? I have seen in the 
>>>> past
>>>> some rows
>>>> received by WSPR with the tag (bad msg)...  but maybe it catches only
>>>> some of the errors...
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1884 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 
>> 08:38
>>
>
> 



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Hi Jim, Markus et all,

Im so sri I had to switch off the TX and all other equipment so sudden,
but it happened somewhat like an accident in the house (stairway fall).

dj8wx will be on the air agn from 1700UTC until 2200UTC, qrg 135.975kHz,
mode WSPR, with abt 80mWERP (30mW extra for Niclas).

best regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv


Zitat von Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>:

> Hi Uwe, Jim and all,
>
> according to my grabber screenshots, it looks as if the DJ8WX 
> transmission had ended in the middle of a WSPR period at 21:45:48 UT.
>
> Regards,
> Markus, DF6NM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" 
> <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:09 AM
> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR
>
>
>> Dear Uwe, LF Group,
>>
>> Still nil since 2124utc - if this is due to QSB, it is very long duration!
>>
>> Looking at the decodes so far (see below), they are mostly quite 
>> close to the lower limit of WSPR at around -33dB SNR. So if the SNR 
>> has deteriorated a few dB, that could be why no more copy has 
>> occured. On the spectrogram, the band noise level appears to be 
>> similar to what it was earlier, although the sidebands from Lakihegy 
>> have increased by several dB.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>
>





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Good evening Mal, Paul-Henrik,

sorry if I caused QRM. Actually at 21:20 I tried to call OH1LSQ to get into "QSO mode", but I don't think that he actually received 
me. At the moment, his QRSS3 signal is difficult to see here in the noise.

Now back to 136.309 "beacon mode" ;-)

73 de Markus, DF6NM

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DF6NM on DFCW on 136.8 on top of OH1LSQ causing qrm
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Subject: Re: LF: [500] : Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
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No  problem Dave,

I think it proved a point , just trying to  evaluate what happened !

Rgds

Graham


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From: "Dave G3WCB" <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:17 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: RE: LF: [500] : Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER 
BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Sorry Graham,
>
> I only listened for Olivia - I've not tried multiPSK MFSK yet. I've got a
> screenshot of the waterfall display showing the Olivia signal received 
> here,
> along with the other stations. I'll send it direct- too big for the
> reflector!
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 03 January 2009 20:30
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: [500] : Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER
> BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for that , That is close to the full beacon text .. did you take 
> any
> of the mfsk ?
>
> Tnx- G ..
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Dave G3WCB" <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:54 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: LF: [500] : Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>>
>> Graham,
>>
>> Copied this just now. MultiPSK Olivia 8-250 mode
>>
>> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England
>>
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...gnbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kk
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Graham
>> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING
>> NOW - 1615 HRS
>>
>>
>> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in
>> parallel
>> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
>> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running
>> on
>> the same pc in beacon mode
>>
>> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference
>> signal
>> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>>
>> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
>> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
>> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
>> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>>
>> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
>> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>>
>> Running  3 mode beacon
>>
>> Dial set   502 khz usb
>>
>> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>>
>> 1250 hz   psk31
>>
>> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>>
>> Reports  welcome
>>
>> Graham
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In a message dated 31/12/2008 22:36:57 GMT Standard Time,  sthed475@telus.net 
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Hi  David

I've used JT65 to listen to cloud backscatter as well with a  small laser 
radar system I built.  If only someone else out here had  such a rig :-)

73 Scott



Hi Scott / Gary.
 
I have tried JT65 and some early versions of the mHz bandwidth modulation  
systems using soundcards and lasers. Unfortunately the soundcard program, which  
was presented a couple of years ago at a microwave update by its US 
originator,  suffered from drift in the soundcard reference oscillator.
At the time I wondered if the system would work for LF, but given the  
problems I encountered with the laser, I didn't try to adapt it.
 
Although I do have a 20mW laser TX, I can't try any cloud bounce from here  
as my QTH is only 5km from Heathrow airport.
 
HNY
 
David  G0MRF    - ( Best 2 way laser DX = 76.8km in  good ol' CW)

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Good morning,
Strong copy before midnight of RA3YO and DF6NM around 137.778 and later
at ~136.319 RU6LA and DF6NM (see attached picture).

DF6NM ist now calling CQ ~137.700KHz and maybe also DK6NI.

vy73
Marco
DD7PC
JN49ax

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> Dear Paul-Henrik, LF Group,
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> It would appear you have QSY'd to 136.35kHz at around 1914utc... Still "O"
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Happy new year to ALL MF
The beacon DI2AG will be QRV also in 2009. The signal that you can see on th=
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Condx seem to be good.
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Dear LF Group,

The WSPR beacon operated from about 2200 to 0800utc, and the ERP was 1W. 
Thanks for the reports, including from GM4ISM, M0LMH, G0NBD, F4DTL, F4EMV, 
G4CAO, G3WCB and DD7PC, and also thanks to others who were listening, 
including KU4XR - there will be future opportunities!

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Dear John, LF Group,

Yes, that's me... copy is looking very patchy at your QTH tonight. I see the 
others are copying OK, from G3XVL at around +12dB SNR, down to the -20s by 
more distant stations, so there does not seem to be a problem with the 
transmitted signal. I seem to be copying everyone OK, except G0NBD - but 
there is a weak carrier here on about 503.950 which is probably QRMing him. 
You haven't changed PC by any chance...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> I notice strong traces on the WSPR waterfall at 503.900 from I believe
> M0BMU, but very few decodes? I don't usually have a problem with Jim's
> signal....
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> John
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>



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James Moritz wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
>
> The beacon is now up & running. I see there are 4 spots already on the 
> WSPR database. That was quick!
> Looking forward to further reports,
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
Hi Jim ,LF group

just a moment ago i got this :
2238 -24  0.9   0.503515  0 M0BMU IO91 30
of course, it went also to wsprnet.org.. :)

                                    73, peter, sq7mpj

qth: lodz, poland /jo91rs/


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I have a QRP WSPR Beacon going on the usual 503870Hz frequency.     RF power
is 100mW which gives an an estimated ERP of -6dBm - needless to say the
reported power in the message is therefore wrong.

Its operating at 100% duty cycle at the moment while the band is quiet - if
anyone has probs, just give a shout here and I'll drop the rate.

The WSPRnet database is showing Jim's copy of it at -29dB S/N, which
compares well with the transmission an hour earlier when I made some antenna
tuning tweaks and confirmed max power from the broadband PA as 140 Watts.
Jim's report on that was +2dB S/N.   31dB higher and within 0.5dB of
expected.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com

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<div>I have a QRP WSPR Beacon going on the usual 503870Hz frequency.&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; RF power is 100mW which&nbsp;gives an&nbsp;an estimated ERP=
 of -6dBm - needless to say the reported power in the message is therefore w=
rong.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Its operating at 100% duty cycle at the moment while the band is quiet=20=
- if anyone has probs, just give a shout here and I&#39;ll drop the rate.</d=
iv>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The WSPRnet database is showing Jim&#39;s copy of it&nbsp;at -29dB S/N,=
 which compares well with the transmission an hour earlier when I&nbsp;made=20=
some antenna tuning tweaks and confirmed max power from the broadband PA as=20=
140 Watts.&nbsp; Jim&#39;s report on that was +2dB S/N.&nbsp; &nbsp;31dB hig=
her and&nbsp;within 0.5dB of expected.</div>

<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com">=
www.g4jnt.com</a><br></div>

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Beacon  QRT    2300 hrs

Thanks for the reports and posted decodes

G ..


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From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:25 PM
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Subject: LF: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING 
NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in 
> parallel
> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running 
> on
> the same pc in beacon mode
>
> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference 
> signal
> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>
> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>
> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>
> Running  3 mode beacon
>
> Dial set   502 khz usb
>
> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>
> 1250 hz   psk31
>
> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>
> Reports  welcome
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
> Io83LK
>
>
>
>



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Tnx Jay
Same procedure as last time. You TX and when I see ur sig I will start calli=
ng on 502.57 khz. Let me know ur freq 508.51 was good last time.
I saw ur sig at 2157 utc. Let me know if this suits you. Anyone else interes=
ted in UK could get along side my transmission for a possible qso also.
I will tx QRS 3 like last time, that is a good speed for a QSO and QSB beate=
r.
I will use two antennas for RX tonite as an experiment in diversity receptio=
n. Ant 1 ususal 190m loop, Ant 2 40m loop, both orientated in ur direction.
E/W. TX ant is 1/4 inv L=20
73 de mal/g3kev
=20

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:21 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: MF CONDX


  Mal

  Antenna is back up in the air here...but we're expecting a snow storm star=
ting mid afternoon running through tomorrow morning. Suspect static levels w=
ill be high but will be happy to take a look...if you care to transmit at a=20=
specific time.

  Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb=20
    Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:46 AM
    Subject: LF: MF CONDX


    MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone availab=
le this week end.
    Temp minus 3 today so far antenna ok

    mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tnx Jay</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Same procedure as last time. You TX and whe=
n I see=20
ur sig I will start calling on 502.57 khz. Let me know ur freq 508.51 was go=
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last time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I saw ur sig at 2157 utc. Let me know if th=
is suits=20
you. Anyone else interested in UK could get along side my transmission for a=
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possible qso also.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will tx QRS 3 like last time, that is a g=
ood=20
speed for a QSO and QSB beater.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will use two antennas for RX tonite as=20
an&nbsp;experiment in diversity reception. Ant 1 ususal 190m loop, Ant 2 40m=
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loop, both orientated in ur direction.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>E/W. TX&nbsp;ant is 1/4 inv L </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: MF CONDX</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2009=20=
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF condx vy good at present. Now is the=
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Temp minus 3 today so far antenna=20
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Hello Warren and LF!
I saw XGJ and XKO this morning.

73, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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Dear Wolf, LF Group,

Thanks for all the reports on the WSPR beacon overnight.

Solid copy of DF0WD here since 0920.

The beacon is still running here, although at reduced power from last night, 
due to lowering the antenna to normal height around 0600 - 0630utc this 
morning.

I will have to QRT in a while (I have to leave the house sometimes...), but 
will leave the RX on to upload further activity. Hopefully I will be back in 
time to give Michel F5WK something to copy during his expedition.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Hello Jim,
>
> Are you receiving on 137.5 kHz in WSPR too ?



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Dear Uwe,

2008 -33  1.0   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43

First receive period = first decode!

Cheers, Jim moritz
73 de M0BMU


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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:48:55 +0000
John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> If anyone has a desire for remote grabber then let me know and I'll
> set it up for the period of your tests.


Since it's possible to run WSPR and Spec Lab concurrently I'm running a
grabber on 500kHz too

Spectrum range shown will be 503 - 505.300 (to include the various
beacons)

upload at 5 minute intervals to 

http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_500.jpg

Cheers,

John
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Hi Jim, LF Group
Fine copy on my grabber / WSPR decode, now I have re-centred the WSPR 
decoder. I had to change it last week to decode someone..
Interestingly  sometimes I am seeing an extra faint trace from Jim, almost 
exactly 100Hz up and it even decoded on one over. It is much weaker (at 
least 15dB down). An alias / mixing product on my system? or is anyone else 
seeing this?
I am not seeing any extra signals on the DI2AM beacon, which is  on average 
10dB stronger than Jim
Also getting occasional decodes from G4WGT
Cheers
Mark GM4ISM

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dear LF Group,
>
> The M0BMU WSPR beacon is now running on 503.5kHz again, hopefully 
> continuing
> overnight. Any reports would be very welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>


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Hello Markus,

1st decode

2314    -23dB

WSPRnet spot page gives QRB as 1444km!

Cheers!

John
GM4SLV
IP90gg



On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:00:32 +0100
"Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com> wrote:

> Good evening Alberto,
> 
> great, someone's out there watching! A good reason to switch it back
> on for another hour or so.
> 
> Thank you for reporting!
> 
> 73 de Markus, DF6NM
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alberto di Bene" <dibene@usa.net>
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:46 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz
> 
> 
>  It looks like Markus has switched on his Tx...
>  
>  2220 -16  2.6   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
>  2226 -16  2.6   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
>  2230 -19  2.7   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
>  2234 -20  2.8   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
>  
>  73  Alberto  I2PHD
> 


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Correct Andy and it is a pity that it closed. I called you several times on 
CW but you did not answer!!!!!!!!!!!! although I did hear a BUZZ and a BANG 
from you and always wondered what you were doing hi
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Now, 73kHz was a real MANs band - never worked you then, Mal.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/25 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>> It is reasonably easy to get going on 500 khz but 137 khz is a MAN'S 
>> band
>> and the BOYS need to catch up. There were a few active this morning on 
>> 137
>> khz and I am sure if approached they would gladly help the BOYS to get 
>> going
>> on LF. If my information is correct RUSTY RAZOR has been listening on LF 
>> and
>> I suppose that is a start !!
>> g3kev
>>
>>
>>
>


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For what its worth, I was decoding both M0BMU and G0NBD on alternate lines l=
ast night.
I'm in Watford (only 17 km from Jim so a VERY big signal !) - G0NBD was inau=
dible.

Brian (G3YKB)

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote:
From: John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD difficult to decode
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 10:42 AM

mal hamilton wrote:
> Johan
> I have mentioned this several times before but noone seems to know why=20
> strong signals or any visible signals do not DECODE. I get some decodes=20
> therefore I know my system is working but not sure whether the problem is
at=20
> the TX or RX end. To me wspr seems unreliable given the strength of
signals=20
> but producing only marginal decoded output.
> 73 de mal/gkev
>=20


Mal, LF,

In general WSPR is very good at decoding weak signals - that's what
it's
all about after all - and can give reliable decodes on signals that are
inaudible and only faintly visible on the waterfall. Occasionally there
seem to be certain strong signals that won't decode, when weaker signals
from the same stations are fine.

Some discussion has taken place on the WSPR forum over incompatible
soundcard sampling rates, others on HF have seem the same "won't
decode
strong signals" problems too.

In the current case, with G0NBD, I guess the problem, whatever it is, is
  at the sending end, as similarly strong signals from others (M0BMU and
G4JNT) decoded fine here, and elsewhere, yet many people had trouble
with G0NBD's signal.

I see that Chris G3XVL often reports a +13dB s/n ratio for Jim's signal,
which shows that strong signals can decode correctly.


The question of brevity in passing information (ie "having a QSO") is
moot - it's not really intended for that purpose. It's point is to
allow
monitoring of the path conditions, using low power "weak signals" -
WSPR
stands for "Weaks Signal Propagation Reporting". If you want a mode
for
conveying information and exchanging reports then there's a whole gamut
- not least among them good old CW.

WPSR allows the collection, automatically, of data showing the changes
in path conditions over time, with a centralised online database of the
results, allowing others to do whatever number crunching they care to on
the data. For this the mode is perfectly valid, and given low enough
transmit power from the stations involved it shouldn't cause too many
problems for other band users. Last night's results showed that, for
inter-G (even up to Shetland) the ERPs involved were too high. Gary,
with his 5W TX and 2mW ERP is showing the way it should be done - and
that wouldn't cause too much QRM for those seeking CW QSOs elsewhere on
the band.

Using WSPR on 160m recently I discovered that I have a regular opening
to N6TTO on the west coast of USA, and I'm often the only Eu station to
receive him. Relying on more traditional modes I'd probably never have
discovered this. It means that perhaps my location is suitable for 160m,
and might be worth some investment in time/effort to get on the band.
Without the research using WSPR I'd have not realised that my location
was special - although my low noise floor has already proved its worth
on 500kHz.

Just a few thoughts from here.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV





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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"t=
op" style=3D"font: inherit;">For what its worth, I was decoding both M0BMU a=
nd G0NBD on alternate lines last night.<br>I'm in Watford (only 17 km from J=
im so a VERY big signal !) - G0NBD was inaudible.<br><br>Brian (G3YKB)<br><b=
r>--- On <b>Tue, 27/1/09, John P-G <i>&lt;gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk&gt;<=
/i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 25=
5); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: John P-G &lt;gm4slv@sighthou=
nd.demon.co.uk&gt;<br>Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD difficult to decode<br>To: rsgb=
_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 10:42 AM<br><br=
><pre>mal hamilton wrote:<br>&gt; Johan<br>&gt; I have mentioned this severa=
l times before but noone seems to know why <br>&gt; strong signals or any vi=
sible signals do not DECODE. I get some decodes <br>&gt; therefore I know my=
 system is working but not sure whether the problem is<br>at
 <br>&gt; the TX or RX end. To me wspr seems unreliable given the strength o=
f<br>signals <br>&gt; but producing only marginal decoded output.<br>&gt; 73=
 de mal/gkev<br>&gt; <br><br><br>Mal, LF,<br><br>In general WSPR is very goo=
d at decoding weak signals - that's what<br>it's<br>all about after all - an=
d can give reliable decodes on signals that are<br>inaudible and only faintl=
y visible on the waterfall. Occasionally there<br>seem to be certain strong=20=
signals that won't decode, when weaker signals<br>from the same stations are=
 fine.<br><br>Some discussion has taken place on the WSPR forum over incompa=
tible<br>soundcard sampling rates, others on HF have seem the same "won't<br=
>decode<br>strong signals" problems too.<br><br>In the current case, with G0=
NBD, I guess the problem, whatever it is, is<br>  at the sending end, as sim=
ilarly strong signals from others (M0BMU and<br>G4JNT) decoded fine here, an=
d elsewhere, yet many people had trouble<br>with G0NBD's
 signal.<br><br>I see that Chris G3XVL often reports a +13dB s/n ratio for J=
im's signal,<br>which shows that strong signals can decode correctly.<br><br=
><br>The question of brevity in passing information (ie "having a QSO") is<b=
r>moot - it's not really intended for that purpose. It's point is to<br>allo=
w<br>monitoring of the path conditions, using low power "weak signals" -<br>=
WSPR<br>stands for "Weaks Signal Propagation Reporting". If you want a mode<=
br>for<br>conveying information and exchanging reports then there's a whole=20=
gamut<br>- not least among them good old CW.<br><br>WPSR allows the collecti=
on, automatically, of data showing the changes<br>in path conditions over ti=
me, with a centralised online database of the<br>results, allowing others to=
 do whatever number crunching they care to on<br>the data. For this the mode=
 is perfectly valid, and given low enough<br>transmit power from the station=
s involved it shouldn't cause too many<br>problems for
 other band users. Last night's results showed that, for<br>inter-G (even up=
 to Shetland) the ERPs involved were too high. Gary,<br>with his 5W TX and 2=
mW ERP is showing the way it should be done - and<br>that wouldn't cause too=
 much QRM for those seeking CW QSOs elsewhere on<br>the band.<br><br>Using W=
SPR on 160m recently I discovered that I have a regular opening<br>to N6TTO=20=
on the west coast of USA, and I'm often the only Eu station to<br>receive hi=
m. Relying on more traditional modes I'd probably never have<br>discovered t=
his. It means that perhaps my location is suitable for 160m,<br>and might be=
 worth some investment in time/effort to get on the band.<br>Without the res=
earch using WSPR I'd have not realised that my location<br>was special - alt=
hough my low noise floor has already proved its worth<br>on 500kHz.<br><br>J=
ust a few thoughts from here.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>John<br>GM4SLV<br><br><b=
r></pre></blockquote></td></tr></table><br>



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Hello LF'ers,
This night UA4WPF receives in QRS120.
Range 137.774 - 137.780 khz.
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Mal, LF

Just checking what I can hear right now on 500 with the 136kHz TX antenna:

SK6RUD, DI2AM, GW4HXO

So RX on 500 should not be a problem for X-band. I have to change positions=20=
and
swap some BNC connectors in overs but it can be done.

CW or QRSS3 on 136kHz, you mentioned my signal was audible, enough for a min=
imum
QSO?


73's

Paul

Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Paul
> Can we have a qso xband u on 136.8 and I will tx on 502.57 khz or 1833 khz=
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> CW
>
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LF,

 

Oh my god, he's doing it on 136KHz now !!!

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

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Subject: LF: QRS 240

 

Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot
!!!.Think how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB
on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1

g3kev

 


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Hello group, RN3AGC yesterday
 
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Hi John, LF,

I have only seen partial traces of G0NBD & no decodes & I am quite close,
Graham is about 50Hz higher than me.

My dial frequency is 502.100KHz & Tx frequency should be 503.600KHz.

73

Gary - G4WGT

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John P-G
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Subject: LF: G0NBD WSPR 503.637

Hello LF,

G0NBD has been received at up to -5dB here, on 503.637, yet no sign of
a spot from anyone else on WSPRNET.

I wonder if it's because we're all on different dial frequencies?

Due to Gary using 503.600 RF I decided to shif up in dial freq to
502.100, which puts him in the centre of the 200Hz WSPR window, rather
than right at the top, had I stayed on 502.000

This of cource means anyone using 502.000 won't see the transmission
from G0NBD.

Can we decide on a dial QRG?

I am going off island first thing in the morning, returning TUesday
evening, so I'll leave the WSPR setup running. Does anyone have a
preferrence for which band would be most useful to watch for my
reported spots?

I'll set up for either 500 or 137 according to the requests I get in
the next hour or so.

Cheers,

John



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Hello Markus,
I already tired to clean snow, but it is necessary to do it else 4-5 hours:)

Many thanks to Laurence for the grabber!

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


> Hi Andrey,
>
> good job, that snow dusting - you're visible on the grabber in BY now!
>
> Laurence,  you see that leaving the grabber running is being very much appreciated... have a good flight!
>
> 73 and good luck too all
> Markus, DF6NM
>
>
> PS. oh, the baby bottle there, on the end of the pole in the sky? That's for feeding the angels, of course. Don't worry it won't 
> catch fire, unless a dragon is trying to take a sip...
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrey rn3agc" <rn3agc@mail.ru>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:07 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: RN3AGC yesterday
>
>
> All is clear, Nicolas. In Moscow too it is snowing.
> My beacon works on 137776,4 and in pauses between "A" I clean off snow from antenna insulators:)
>
> 73
> Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV
>
> 



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Hello Andrey nothing on your grabber, i stop my beacon now.
Thanx dear Andrey.
=20
=20
F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP



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=E9crit :

Hello  Nicolas,
Thanks, I will watch. My grabber  www.rn3agc.msk.ru/en/grabber1.shtml

73
Andrey RN3AGC in  KO85SV


>Hello Andrey, for a test with you,im beaconing now and  until 2200Z on=20
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>Best regards F4DTL  JN18FP







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ZDR Lubomir & LF!

The 775 line- is a russian Chaika.
When we copy 775 in Moscow the good prop from east russia still present 
as usual.
The 781 line was looked by RA3YO some time. We are don't know what is 
that.


* Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com> [Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:26:57 +0100]:
>
> Hello LF!
> Does anybody know something about lines on the picture? They appear
> every day after sunset and disappear with sunrise. They are very 
stable
> and on the accurate frequency. I know lines from Loran-C, but these
> lines are another else, I think.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
>
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:45:06 -0500
"dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net> wrote:

> What could this mean??

He's moved to the East Riding?


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Hi Rik, LF,

I did make some changes a while ago, the 500KHz grabbers are operating at :-

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html
and
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html

When in-operative due to work at my end I always place a notice on the page.

I can get John's grabber at :-
http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/grabber2.htm
or
http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg

But at the moment but it appears to be off line.

And Mark's appears to have gone away!! at :-
http://92.235.33.173:8080/


73

Gary - G4WGT.



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Dear all,

for various reasons (busy, antenna down due to construction) I haven't  
been active during the past 2 months.
Today I re-installed the (improved) antenna. The work paid off,  
antenna current is up from 2.4 A to 2.8 A.
But as I tried the grabbers some seemed to have gone or moved. G3YXM  
and GM4ISM are still where they used to be, but I couldn't find G4WGT  
and GM4SLV.
Googling them didn't help (lot's of hits but all to dead links).

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

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Hi!

Since about 22h UT the Longwave Radio Transmitter Hellissandur 189kHz ist detectable again, in Berlin city. Detectable doesn't mean "clearely audible", but I can hear: it's there. 

Would you say, there were/are any enhanced longwave condx last night/tonight?


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Dennis
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MF
Testing two antennas in diversity on signals around EU seem to give the same=
 results. Both antennas producing virtually the same results, no one any bet=
ter than the other, this is probably because with these antennas the signals=
 are strong and fade barely noticeable.
This is just a comparison test and not scientific, therefore no measurements=
 have been made. The object of the exercise is to maximise the signal presen=
tation on received signals for QSO purposes. There is some fade noticeable a=
t times but only minimal and signals are perfectly readable both visual and=20=
audible all the time.=20
I have to check the system on long haul where fade is noticeable especially=20=
the USA stns. One other point is antenna separation, my antennas are not far=
 enough apart, although they are clear from one another.=20
Maybe two small dissimilar antennas, spaced well apart would give discernabl=
e differences in diversity reception, a small loop orientated towards the ta=
rgetg signal and a small vertical or probe type.
I have been watching SK6RUD and DI2AM most of today and each has been strong=
 throughout the day with virtually no noticeable fade observed on either ant=
enna.

Antennas tested are :-
190 metre loop, 40 metre loop and a 1/4 wave inv L full size on 500 khz. The=
 1/4 wave is more lively than the loops, noise increases but so does the sig=
nal, so its all relative. General noise level at this qth is low, mostly atm=
ospheric noise.=20

As described before I am using two RX's and both audio ouputs displayed sepa=
rately to compare signal intensity. I briefly tried one RX and two antennas=20=
but that did not look as good and was difficult to balance each antenna, bea=
ring in mind that cancellation could be a problem if not engineered properly=
.
I have seen this method used in the past with a properly designed front end=20=
mixer pre RX and each antenna's performance visible on a meter.=20
This was on HF and was very impressive watching the signal on one  antenna p=
eak while the other hardly produced any signal and vice versa.
This was using two dissimilar hf antennas spaced apart but only a 100 metres=
 or so.

73 de mal/g3kev




















































































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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe two small&nbsp;dissimilar antennas, s=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As described before I am using two RX's and=
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balance each antenna, bearing in mind that cancellation could be a problem i=
f=20
not engineered properly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have seen this method used in the past wi=
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properly designed front end mixer pre RX&nbsp;and each antenna's performance=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This was on HF and was very impressive watc=
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signal on one&nbsp; antenna peak while the other hardly produced any signal=20=
and=20
vice versa.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This was using two dissimilar hf antennas s=
paced=20
apart but only a 100 metres or so.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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Hello Mal,
You can also use MOS or IGBT in synchronous rectifier. The current of loss i=
s much weaker and of much better output.
73: Jeff=20

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  Does anyone know a source for hi current rectifiers. ie 50 - 100A at low v=
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  So far I have only found low current high voltage devices on Internet.
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Great to see some signals !! - Ive raised the probe up to some 5m above roof=
 level and still have a poor -90dBm noise level - but good enough
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Laurence BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China
=20
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:21:05 +0300> From: ra3yo@mail.ru> To: rsgb_lf_gro=
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Great to see some signals !! - Ive raised the probe up to some 5m above roof=
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&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China<BR>
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<BR><BR>&gt; Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:21:05 +0300<BR>&gt; From: ra3yo@mail.r=
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abber 137.777 for tonight. now UA4WPF<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Hi Laurence!<BR>&gt;=20=
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Thank you. I have corrected my RX calibration.

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On 31/12/2008 at 07:27 F4DTL@aol.com wrote:

>Hello John thanx,
>attention my frequency was 137.720 kHz verify your offset  or USB/LSB mode=20
>with Spectrum Lab.
>=20
>F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP
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Switched off at 2300z to go to bed...

I'm looking at code to generate  a WSPR signal directly from a DDS/PIC
combination controlled from GPS timing   When done, it will be
possible to leave a beacon running without having to leave the PC on
overnight.

PAs and drivers,  happy enough leaving on unattended as I have control
over their thermal protection etc,
But PCs, although designed for 100% on-time, I don't have control over
their hardware.

Also, PICs driving DDSs aren't prone to crashing

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/26 dave.riley3 <dave.riley3@verizon.net>:
> I waited till past 7am Z but the past several frames were without a
> signal...
>
> The creshendo, possibly grey line signal was about 30 minutes previous, then
> nothing...
>
> Started copying you well before sunset here...
>
> Throughout the monitor time, the proton density was above 10
>
> TNX
>
> Dave @ FN42pb  " Western Tower "
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz"
> <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:21 AM
> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
>
>> Dear Dave, LF Group,
>>
>> Many thanks to everyone who listened for the WSPR beacons and for all the
>> reports. Over the last few weeks, 50 or so stations have copied the beacons,
>> in about 14 different countries, so a fair bit of activity has been stirred
>> up. It is nice to see that quite a large proportion of reports have come
>> from stations who  have not previously been involved with LF/MF, so perhaps
>> we have made a few "converts". This is particularly so with 500kHz, where it
>> would appear it is often possible to get quite good reception by plugging a
>> random wire antenna into a standard receiver, so it is not difficult for
>> people to get involved.
>>
>> I see there were around 40 spots uploaded from Dave, AA1A, through the
>> night, with the last one at 0646utc. Would be interested to know if that was
>> when the signal dropped out, or if that was when you went QRT?
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>
>
>


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I don't think there is any 500 activity to  night ?

This grabber is a good indication !

http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/

http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/500-khz-grabbers

G ..

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From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:59 AM
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Subject: Re: LF: WSPR

>
> Am I on the right track.??.
>
> Short of downloading the WSPR software, this is what I see tonight near
> 503.500...
>
> SpectraVue http://www.radiocom.net/600M/WSPR503500.bmp
>
> And on ARGO QRSS3 a few hertz below 503.5 =
> http://www.radiocom.net/600M/WSPR00000.jpg
>
> Looks louder and cleaner on QRSS10
>
> Lots of QRN tonight...
>
> Or is it just a birdy??
>
>
> TNX
>
> Dave @ WD2XSH/17  ( in the colonies )
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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>
>>
>>> Shouldn't they be marked as such by the program ? I have seen in the 
>>> past
>>> some rows
>>> received by WSPR with the tag (bad msg)...  but maybe it catches only
>>> some of the errors...
>
>
>



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29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your score.
g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  LF,

  =20

  Oh my god, he's doing it on 136KHz now !!!

  =20

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  Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot !!!.T=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What=20=
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Hi Joe and All,

traces at vo1na,
henny pa3cpm
best 73s

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Joe and All,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>traces at vo1na,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny pa3cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>best 73s</FONT></DIV>
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> I see I am also being spotted by a"K1JT" at -1dB SNR, so I guess
> someone has forgotten to update the settings on their WSPR. It really
> wasn't a good idea for Joe to use his own station details as the
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MCW: what a waste of bandwidth, Mal will allert OFCOM !

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 00:42 7/01/2009, you wrote:
>  No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz.
>
>73 DJ1ZB
>
>
>  "M0FMT" <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb:
>Hi Mal and LF
>
>I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope detector. 
>A true CW man, I would have thought, should only entertain the use 
>of a Cohere detector!
>
>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a 
>range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably 
>work over a much lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.
>
><http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm>http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm
>
>73 pefmt
>
>
>
>
>
>--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
>From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM
>
>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info from the web.
>g3kev
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:riese-k3djc@juno.com>riese-k3djc@juno.com
>To: <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM
>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
>
>310113517964   E bay too
>
>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" 
><<mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net>g3kevmal@talktalk.net> writes:
>Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I 
>have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the 
>opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was 
>used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
>Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable 
>to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.
>Build one and have a QSO using this RX
>g3kev
>
>
>
>
>
>____________________________________________________________
><http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2142/fc/PnY6rw3fAUlgmepHceuemzNsRlKh2bSh8pZMbEI2IwSdEfoSexW4X/>Fashion 
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>
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MCW: what a waste of bandwidth, Mal will allert OFCOM !<br><br>
73, Rik&nbsp; ON7YD - OR7T<br><br>
At 00:42 7/01/2009, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">&nbsp;No problem! Use MCW! Has
been typical for 500 kHz.<br><br>
73 DJ1ZB<br><br>
<br>
&nbsp;&quot;M0FMT&quot; &lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt; schrieb: <br>

<dl>
<dd>Hi Mal and LF<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd>I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope detector. A
true CW man, I would have thought, should only entertain the use of a
Cohere detector!<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a
range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work
over a much lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd><a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm">
http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm</a><br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd>73 pefmt<br><br>
<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br><br>
<br>

<dd>--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton
&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br>

<dl>
<dd>From: mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<br>

<dd>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<br>

<dd>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>

<dd>Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM<br><br>

<dd><font size=2>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction.
Not info from the web.<br>

<dd>g3kev<br>
</font>
<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dl>
<dd>----- Original Message ----- <br>

<dd>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:riese-k3djc@juno.com">riese-k3djc@juno.com</a> <br>

<dd>To:</b>
<a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> <br>

<dd>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM<br>

<dd>Subject:</b> Re: LF: Razor blade RX<br><br>

<dd>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 &quot;mal hamilton&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</a>&gt;
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<dl>
<dd><font size=2>Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a
while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the
opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was used
successfully&nbsp; at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC
broadcasts.<br>

<dd>Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to
MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these
bands.<br>

<dd>Build one and have a QSO using this RX<br>

<dd>g3kev<br>
</font>
<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br><br>

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Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq
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OM
Your transmission is outside the band limit, spreading to 504.6 khz.
I can see why OFCOM are concerned about stricter control concerning data 
mode bandwidth.
g3kev

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Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq


> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>
> centre frequency  503 khz
>
> tx mode usb
>
> power 30 watts tune signal
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> Will send for next few hours
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> Reports welcome
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> Graham
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Gary,

You sure its  working , don't see  Jack splash  the mid band beacon ?

G ..=20


From: Gary - G4WGT=20
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 9:09 PM
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Hi LF,

=20

G4WGT grabbers back on.

=20

73,

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Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Gary,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>You sure its&nbsp; working , don't see&nbsp=
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>G .. </FONT></DIV>
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Hello LF!
Only one expression - excelent propagation!

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ZDR Lubomir & LF!

The 775 line- is a russian Chaika.
When we copy 775 in Moscow the good prop from east russia still present 
as usual.
The 781 line was looked by RA3YO some time. We are don't know what is 
that.


* Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com> [Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:26:57 +0100]:
>
> Hello LF!
> Does anybody know something about lines on the picture? They appear
> every day after sunset and disappear with sunrise. They are very 
stable
> and on the accurate frequency. I know lines from Loran-C, but these
> lines are another else, I think.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> * "Unknown_lines.JPG"
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD difficult to decode


> mal hamilton wrote:
>> Johan
>> I have mentioned this several times before but noone seems to know why
>> strong signals or any visible signals do not DECODE. I get some decodes
>> therefore I know my system is working but not sure whether the problem is 
>> at
>> the TX or RX end. To me wspr seems unreliable given the strength of 
>> signals
>> but producing only marginal decoded output.
>> 73 de mal/gkev
>>
>
>
> Mal, LF,
>
> In general WSPR is very good at decoding weak signals - that's what it's
> all about after all - and can give reliable decodes on signals that are
> inaudible and only faintly visible on the waterfall. Occasionally there
> seem to be certain strong signals that won't decode, when weaker signals
> from the same stations are fine.
>
> Some discussion has taken place on the WSPR forum over incompatible
> soundcard sampling rates, others on HF have seem the same "won't decode
> strong signals" problems too.
>
> In the current case, with G0NBD, I guess the problem, whatever it is, is
>  at the sending end, as similarly strong signals from others (M0BMU and
> G4JNT) decoded fine here, and elsewhere, yet many people had trouble
> with G0NBD's signal.
>
> I see that Chris G3XVL often reports a +13dB s/n ratio for Jim's signal,
> which shows that strong signals can decode correctly.
>
>
> The question of brevity in passing information (ie "having a QSO") is
> moot - it's not really intended for that purpose. It's point is to allow
> monitoring of the path conditions, using low power "weak signals" - WSPR
> stands for "Weaks Signal Propagation Reporting". If you want a mode for
> conveying information and exchanging reports then there's a whole gamut
> - not least among them good old CW.
>
> WPSR allows the collection, automatically, of data showing the changes
> in path conditions over time, with a centralised online database of the
> results, allowing others to do whatever number crunching they care to on
> the data. For this the mode is perfectly valid, and given low enough
> transmit power from the stations involved it shouldn't cause too many
> problems for other band users. Last night's results showed that, for
> inter-G (even up to Shetland) the ERPs involved were too high. Gary,
> with his 5W TX and 2mW ERP is showing the way it should be done - and
> that wouldn't cause too much QRM for those seeking CW QSOs elsewhere on
> the band.
>
Over the years I have worked W6 and W7 area and VE7 many times on 160m plus 
KL7 on normal CW not to mention KH6 and ZL
    G3KEV


> Using WSPR on 160m recently I discovered that I have a regular opening
> to N6TTO on the west coast of USA, and I'm often the only Eu station to
> receive him. Relying on more traditional modes I'd probably never have
> discovered this. It means that perhaps my location is suitable for 160m,
> and might be worth some investment in time/effort to get on the band.
> Without the research using WSPR I'd have not realised that my location
> was special - although my low noise floor has already proved its worth
> on 500kHz.
>
> Just a few thoughts from here.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>


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Alberto,

thank you too for this report. I have switched off the WSPR beacon now at 0:02 - time to catch some sleep.

73 and good night de Markus, DF6NM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alberto di Bene" <dibene@usa.net>
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Subject: LF: RE: WSPR beacon on 136kHz


> This is what has been copied so far, starting at about 22:00 UTC
> 
> 2232 -27  2.1   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
> 2244 -27  2.1   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
> 2252 -19  2.1   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2300 -17  2.2   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2306 -19  2.2   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2310 -16  2.3   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2318 -17  2.4   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2326 -20  2.3   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2328 -25  1.3   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2330 -15  2.3   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2332 -24  1.1   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2336 -14  2.4   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2340 -27  1.2   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2344 -21  2.4   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2348 -27  1.3   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2352 -18  2.4   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 
> Rx : Perseus    Ant : Roelof mini-whip    Winrad -> VAC -> WSPR
> 
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD



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Hello LF'ers,
capture last night in 22.20z

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


>Hello LF!
>There is a nice DFCW signal from SO5AS (KO02JD) on 137.700kHz now.
>
>Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
>
>
>
>StÃ¡hnÄ›te si zcela novÃ½ Messenger 2009! Klikni zde! 

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Dear Andy,

Copied your WSPR test just now. Reported frequency was 0.503500, so no 
problem there.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Stewart Bryant wrote:
> mal hamilton wrote:
>> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have 
>> had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to 
>> submit a cct I will await replies. 
>
> I think that we all give up - just tell us how to do it.
>
> Stewart/G3YSX
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Try the top end of 30m where most digi types hang out during the day.

Normally the digi types don't need to occupy the entire band and 
congregate in small areas of BW.

Oh, and listen really carefully as most digi ops are using QRP or QRPP 
as the modes don't need alot of power to be effective...







mal hamilton wrote:
> I have been looking around the various HF bands for NON MORSE acty 
> and find  that the old RTTY is the most prolific mode in use, it looks 
> like the use of other data modes are rare, perhaps more suited to 
> V/UHF EME work etc.
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Greetings Chris from Stateside:

Remember that the greatest weapon you have in cyberwar;
" Is The DELETE Button " Use it often, and bomb the heck
out of your cyber-enemy. A great strategy of warfare is 
not necessarily greater might; but to stir up dissention
among the ranks of your enemy. When they're fighting
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to do.  73 OM, and have a wonderful day:


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--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com> wrote:

> From: Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com>
> Subject: LF: On it goes
> To: "RSGB lf Group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 11:07 AM
> I am starting to get just a little fed up with this group.
> Chris, G4AYT.


      


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My NoV for 500kHz came through yesterday, authorising  0dBW ERP, modes
FSK, PSK, MSK and TBD just as I'd asked for.   It also allows ASK, but
didn't specifically request that :-)

This morning got the 7m Tee antenna resonant using an old Decca
variometer with a few more turns added, and made a 550kHz Low Pass
filter for the Tx.   Have just now tested the Tx + ant at 120 Watts RF
from a commercial 0.5 to 40MHz broadband PA and all works fine -
apologies to anyone who saw the carrier at 503.0000000kHz for a few
minutes at 1430z.  I couldn't modulate at that point.

Antenna measures 28 ohms loss resistance at a first quick look, but
I'll measure more accurately when the weather is a bit warmer / drier!
  If that is the figure, then efficiency will be in the region of -25
to -23dB and with the PA wound up to maximum rate dOP of 200 Watts
should get within a few dB of the power limit.    Loss resistance of
that antenna follows a steady progression with frequency :

73kHz     200R
137kHz   100R
502kHz     28R
1900kHz   18R

That is, of course, total loss resistance including the wet tree and
roof tile lossy-near field effects.

Next stage is to complete the IQ converter direct from soundcard
output.   I'm trying to come up with a simple design that won't need
much tweaking to get a decent sideband isolation.  Last week tried a
design with a pair of NE602 chips (similar to FIgure 3 in
http://www.g4jnt.com/IQConverters.htm   but it needed too much phase
and amplitude adjustment to get the unwanted isolation to an
acceptable -40 to -50dBc, so not really suitable for publishing.   Now
going to try one based around FST3126 bus switches - near enough a
Softrock in reverse.

For transmitting on the band I do already have a suitable upconverter,
Fig 1  in the above reference, but that is over complicated for a
plug-and-play construction project and uses obsolete chips.

For soundcard data modes, with an audio bandwidth of no more than a
few hundred Hz, a simple CR  I/Q network  will generate the quadrature
drive to the image reject converter.  For wider B/W, a more complex
polyphse or allpass network is needed.

Of course, if only the datamode software authors could only be
persuaded to modify their code for I/Q stereo outputs, it would make
linear upconverters direct to RF a whole lot easier!   Come on
writers, its only a few lines more code!

So,  nearly there with linear Tx, and an NoV that permits any mode
within constraints of "reasonable bandwidth"

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/16 brian hodgson <g3ykb@yahoo.co.uk>:
> Hi Graham -
>
> Make that 4! I've modified my TS850 to generate SSB at 500 kHz and use a
> homebrew linear PA to produce 30 watts peak RF.
>
> Have been off air for a while during a shack rebuild and broken aerial but
> am back in business.
>
> Brian - G3YKB
>
> --- On Thu, 15/1/09, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> G0NBD           Refurbished Military and Marine
>
> M0BMU         His own design Linear  class E system
>
> G4WGT          Classic linear HF/MF  home made transverter
>
>
>


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Hello LF'ers,
Tell please to the silly colleague why I cannot decode WSPR? :)
Has made a screenshot: signal DF6NM is well visible, frequency
of the receiver below frequency of a signal on 1500 hz -
- decoding is not present.
Time is calibrated to a thousand fraction of a second...
http://www.rn3agc.msk.ru/wspr.jpg
Thanks!

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


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Hello LF,

thanks very much for the nice comments - you can guess I feel a little exhilarated now.

But (like with all weak signals) it's the receiver who has to do most of the work. So many thanks again to Laurence, who managed to 
pull all our tiny little signals out of the Chinese noise background. Just like he did in Alaska, back in January 2004.

I guess, for me it was also a matter of lucky circumstances. I had a few days off work, and the weather had been dry and cold, so I 
could leave my fragile antenna in place. The partial discharge problems still present in the afternoon miraculously went away for 
the evening. With 220 W of RF, tonight's ERP was almost 0.8 W, which I had hardly reached before. The opening from here to BY lasted 
for about 1.5 hours, with the best half hour around 21:00 just barely sufficient to get a few consecutive dashes across.

Tomorrow at work I'll be in for some funny looks: Hey, and what did you do since christmas? Well I spent a few nights to send four 
bits to China...

Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM


----- Original Message ----- 
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Hi Andrey , Markus ,
Super your signal on the BY grabber !
Congratulations Markus !
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

Andrey rn3agc a écrit :

Hello Markus,
Accept my congratulations!!!

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV






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Markus,

finally decoded:

204200   2 -28  1.1    13  0                            <-- possibly a 
trace of M0BMU
204400   7 -19  1.3    84  0  DF6NM JN59 23
204800   2 -28  1.0    13  0                                <-- 
possibly a trace of M0BMU


73 - Marco IK1ODO

JN35sa - Perseus SDR RX + long wire



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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:31:05 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> John LF,
> 
> WOW !
> 
> Just testing home built 500KHz transverter, about 5 watts output.

Gary, LF,

Glad to be able to give a report!

Jim's PSK31 is very strong (comparatively) giving 100% print.

Your WSPR is varying, and not every period is decoding, but still a
great job with so little power.

I'll leave it running on 502 for an hour or so while I sort the Sunday
dinner. Spots are being uploaded to WSPRNET

Cheers,

John



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IO93GX to IP99GG 700km - looks like a  km/mi unit error :-)

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


2009/1/30 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>

> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:51:00 -0000
> "Lee Hudson" <hudsonville@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi LF Group,
> >
> > Just been looking at the Database of tonights activity, and I'm
> > reported at 700miles from GM4SLV
>
> Not sure what the problem is?
>
> Where are you Lee, in geographical terms?
>
> Shetland is a LONG way from England - it's a long way from Scotland,
> truth be told!
>
>
> ps
>
> I've started a grabber showing 503.5 - 504.1
>
> and also
>
> I notice strong traces on the WSPR waterfall at 503.900 from I believe
> M0BMU, but very few decodes? I don't usually have a problem with Jim's
> signal....
>
> John
>
>
>

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<div>IO93GX to IP99GG 700km - looks like a&nbsp;&nbsp;km/mi unit error :-)</=
div>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com">=
www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/1/30 John P-G <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk">gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk</a>&=
gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div class=3D"Ih2E3d">On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:51:00 -0000<br>&quot;Lee Hudson=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hudsonville@btinternet.com">hudsonville@btinter=
net.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>&gt; Hi LF Group,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Just been lo=
oking at the Database of tonights activity, and I&#39;m<br>
&gt; reported at 700miles from GM4SLV<br><br></div>Not sure what the problem=
 is?<br><br>Where are you Lee, in geographical terms?<br><br>Shetland is a L=
ONG way from England - it&#39;s a long way from Scotland,<br>truth be told!<=
br>
<br><br>ps<br><br>I&#39;ve started a grabber showing 503.5 - 504.1<br><br>an=
d also<br><br>I notice strong traces on the WSPR waterfall at 503.900 from I=
 believe<br>M0BMU, but very few decodes? I don&#39;t usually have a problem=20=
with Jim&#39;s<br>
signal....<br><font color=3D"#888888"><br>John<br><br><br></font></blockquot=
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First decode with errors.


 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  
 C> CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  
 CQ hQ CQ nE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk

23:27

Lee.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Sent: 02 January 2009 22:57
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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq


Ok Thanks lee

Ive reduced to  10 watts peak o/p

G ..

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From: "Lee Hudson" <hudsonville@btinternet.com>
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Subject: LF: RE: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq

>
> Hi Graham,
>
> Receiving your CQ in IO93gx despite some strong QRM.
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Just downloaded fldigi to see if it worked,
> So far 100% copy on each transmission since 22:20z.
>
> 73,
> Lee Hudson
> M0LMH.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
> Sent: 02 January 2009 20:28
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>
> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>
> I have just downloaded MultiPSK, and am quite impressed to be getting
> nearly
>
> 100% copy, in spite of your signal being only just audible, and having 
> G3KEV's very strong CQ calls just on the edge of your bandwidth. 
> Should be ready to try for a QSO in a short while, if you like.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:30 PM
> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>
>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>> centre frequency  503 khz
>> tx mode usb
>> power 30 watts tune signal
>> Will send for next few hours
>> Reports welcome
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>>
>
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Jim

If you want a laugh ,re stability - check out the posting of the spectrum 
plot on 4 mtrs when I was testing with Gary .. transverters are  'not' quite 
as stable as you would like .. but the wspr system kept on decoding !

The 504 carrier is 20 db over the noise floor at the moment at my qth ... 
splatter may be a problem, but as to its effect on wspr decode I don't know 
, close in cw seems to do  the most damage ,

Gary is showing  on wspr  -1 db Andy at -20 and yourself at -12 db at the 
moment ,  Gary is about 30  miles from my qth
speclab shows Gary at 30 db over the noise floor

G ..

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From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:47 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5

>
> Dear LF Group,
>
> M0BMU is now transmitting WSPR again - also currently logging G4JNT and
> G4WGT
>
> Re: the question of a WSPR centre frequency, 503.9kHz +/-100Hz would seem
> sensible - it should be possible to allow a guard band of say 10 or 20Hz 
> to
> the band edge within that bandwidth. There would not be much point in 
> trying
> to transmit a WSPR signal if your TX could not maintain that kind of
> accuracy. With that range, the maximum contiguous spectrum would be
> available for other things in  the amateur band. The only problem would be
> for locations where there is a lot of noise around 504kHz - I believe 
> Finbar
> has this problem with harmonics of 252kHz, but I don't know how widespread 
> a
> problem that is. If it is a problem, 501.1kHz +/-100Hz would be more
> suitable...
>
> Re: ERP vs TX power. There seems to be an assumption for the HF users of
> WSPR that you should specify the TX power. I think this is partly because
> many people are unfamiliar with the concept of ERP. Some others have the
> idea that you could deduce information on antenna performance by looking 
> at
> the TX power of the transmitting stations and SNR, distances and 
> directions
> reported by receiving stations. I don't think that is feasible; to do so 
> you
> would also need to have fairly accuate knowledge of the directional 
> pattern
> of the transmitting antenna, the path loss (including the effects of 
> ground
> loss, fading, ionospheric conditions at that particular time), the
> directional pattern of the receiving antenna, and the band noise level at
> the receiving antenna at that particular time. These variables would be
> different for every receiving station, and also vary a lot over time.  As
> others have said, an intelligent estimate of ERP will usually be within a
> few dBs, which implies the antenna performance will be usually already be
> known with much better accuracy than all these other variables. So I think
> it would be a much better idea to specify ERP, and use WSPR reports as a
> tool to analyse propagation, rather than try to do it the other way round.
>
> As Graham says, on HF the ERP will be within not-many-dBs of the TX power
> anyway, unless the antenna is very big or very small. At LF/MF there are
> wide variations. G4WGT running 5W is quite QRP with his home antenna, but
> would probably be well over the 1W ERP limit if he were using G3KEV's
> antenna. So really you have to state ERP in order to give a realistic
> measure of how strong the signal is at source.
>
> In answer to:
>>>>>Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW ERP from 
>>>>>a
>>>>>large one.
>
> Of course it will! ERP is a measure of how much field strength is produced
> at a given distance, so if both stations have the same ERP, the signals 
> will
> go equally far - that is the point of ERP, it is a measure of the actual
> radiated signal, after losses and so forth are accounted for. If the small
> antenna is producing 2mW ERP, it implies that more TX power is being used 
> to
> get that figure than is required by the presumably more efficient big
> antenna.  Not many people believe it though! I actually did the experiment
> back in 2000 on 136kHz, setting up a small inverted L next to the 100m 
> high
> Decca Navigator mast at Puckeridge, and adjusting the power levels until 
> the
> radiated signal levels were roughly similar (about 1W TX for the 100m 
> mast,
> 350W for the inv L as I recall...). The signal reports I got indicated the
> same relative levels from the two antennas, at distances between about 2km
> and 1000km.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:45 PM
> Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
>
>> Graham, LF,
>>
>> I do agree that ERP is more meaningful & as Mal & Andy stated it is the
>> criteria with which the licence is approved.
>>
>> My comment was to follow the WSPR recommended method as adopting ERP 
>> would
>> mean there are two "standards".
>>
>> I ERP is adopted for LF then it should be international & not just UK, so
>> an
>> official announcement by the main WSPR group would be required.
>> Comments please.
>>
>> Gary - G4WGT.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
>> Sent: 25 January 2009 20:29
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>
>> Gary,
>>
>> I don't think a guard band is really needed as if you set the centre
>> carrier
>>
>> frequency to  503.9 , then operating at the extreme edges is not really
>> possible, you're  right on the edge of the waterfall. the deviation is
>> only
>> round  6 hz
>>
>> Re power .. I would say, the erp  is the most meaningful,  actual  power
>> supplied to the antenna without the performance data of the array doesn't
>> really mean too much ?
>>
>> G ..
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:11 PM
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top 
>>> part
>>> of
>>> the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a
>>> 200Hz
>>> slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
>>> 503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.
>>>
>>> My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 
>>> 503.550KHz
>>> data.
>>>
>>> Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Gary - G4WGT
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
>>> Sent: 25 January 2009 18:32
>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could 
>>> move
>>> to
>>>
>>> the band edge without problems
>>> clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down
>>>
>>> With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a
>>> reasonable
>>> concept as it will allow other 'casual'
>>> monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post
>>> needed
>>> to  announce a test !
>>>
>>> What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or
>>> just
>>> sleeping ?
>>>
>>> G ..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:04 PM
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
>>>> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>>>>
>>>> Oh no!
>>>>
>>>> Please let's not get into this again....
>>>>
>>>> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
>>>> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>>>>
>>>> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
>>>> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
>>>> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>>>>
>>>> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
>>>> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
>>>> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>>>>
>>>> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> GM4SLV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
>



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Hello LF!
The station OE1KM/3 is transmitting in regular CW mode on 137.722kHz (near m=
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Mike,

Its being used as a prime driver on 'HF'  Gary can give you the details , bu=
t its a classic transverter set up=20

G ..=20


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Who has the mods to make a TS-440 run on 600 meters? I have owned one of tho=
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Mike
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Hi John,

Enclosed is the data from Maplin on these cores. Hope this is ok, not been
able to find any more data.

regards,
Paul Reeves    G8GJA






 Technical Specification
     
Order   Part    Max Max Min Attenuation (?)
Code:   number: diameter (mm):  length (mm):    hole dia (mm):  25 MHz:
100MHz:
N88CU   HEM3025 4.2 5.3 1.85    28  51
N97AB   HEM3020 5.2 18.4    2   128 147
N98AB   HEM3021 6.2 18.4    3   100 155
N48FK   HEM3024 16.28   14.67   7.57    74  117
N92AB   HEM3015 14.6    29.1    6.05    164 255
N91AB   HEM3014 16.05   29.17   6.69    164 258
N87AB   HEM3010 31.8    22.75   18.5    88  146
N90AB   HEM3013 28.96   29.33   13.37   158 250
N88AB   HEM3011 25.6    13.4    15.5    53  97
QT26D   HEM3016 36.8    7.3 24.4    23  63 

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Subject: LF: Ferrite toroid cores using HEM series materials


Maplin have been selling these but their paper catalogue does not seem to
give detailed characteristics and doing an online search of their catalogue
is not practicable as I am typically getting 14.4kb/s on dialup*, which
means it takes a minute or more to repaint the page.  

I tried e-mailing them but have not had a reply.  

aL is easy to estimate with a few turns and an inductance meter, but I would
like to know more about these materials.  Can anyone help, please? 

John F5VLF
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Hello LF!
I saw XGJ from 04:45 to 06:45 UT

Lubos, OK2BVG

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Hello LF!<br>I saw XGJ from 04:45 to 06:45 UT<br><br>Lubos, OK2BVG<br><br />=
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LF/MF
I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using two loops=
. Loop A is 40 metres perimeter vertical orientation, Loop B is 190 metres p=
erimeter also vertical.  Both loops optimum E/W.
I am using two receivers in this experiment Ant A to Siemens D2155 level met=
er, BW 20 Hz and vy stable, Ant B to Datong up converter and IC746 250 Hz BW=
. Both audio outputs to soundcard/ARGO display allowing 50 hz separation for=
 observation.
Observing DI2AM at present and having calibrared this signal on both RX outp=
uts at a point in time, both signals are fairly constant but more variations=
 have been observed on Ant A - 40m loop, the signal surges in strength and t=
hen fades down, whereas Ant B has a more constant output with less fade.
More time is needed for a proper assessment and DI2AM is also a strong signa=
l. I would need a few long haul signals for a proper test like Russian or US=
A .
Interested in MF signals at present.
This method would also work with a couple of small loops or a loop and probe=
 type antenna, then at a glance one would know how each was performing, of c=
ourse with the loop in the optimum direction for target signal.

This is just a simple setup, it works well and no audio cross mod noticed, n=
ice clean signals on display in spite of the fact that the separation is onl=
y 50hz.
A nice balanced mixer would be a more sophisticated approach, that might com=
e later.

73 mal/g3kev

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am experimenting at present with antenna=20=
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diversity) using two loops. Loop A is&nbsp;40 metres perimeter vertical=20
orientation, Loop B is&nbsp;190 metres perimeter also vertical.&nbsp; Both l=
oops=20
optimum E/W.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am using two receivers in this experiment=
 Ant A=20
to Siemens D2155 level meter, BW 20 Hz and vy stable, Ant B to Datong&nbsp;u=
p=20
converter and IC746 250 Hz BW. Both audio outputs to soundcard/ARGO display=20
allowing 50 hz separation for observation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Observing DI2AM at present and having calib=
rared=20
this signal on both&nbsp;RX outputs at a point in time, both signals are fai=
rly=20
constant but more variations have been observed on Ant A - 40m loop, the sig=
nal=20
surges in strength and then fades down, whereas Ant B has a more constant ou=
tput=20
with less fade.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>More time is needed for a proper assessment=
 and=20
DI2AM is also a strong signal. I would need a few long haul signals for a pr=
oper=20
test like Russian or USA .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Interested in MF signals&nbsp;at=20
present.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This method would also work with a couple o=
f small=20
loops or a loop and probe type antenna, then at a glance one would know how=20=
each=20
was performing, of course with the loop in the optimum direction for target=20
signal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is just a simple setup, it works well=20=
and no=20
audio cross mod noticed, nice clean signals on display in spite of the fact=20=
that=20
the separation is only 50hz.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A nice balanced mixer would be a more sophi=
sticated=20
approach, that might come later.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not already
> taken place on MF.

There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover". Wouldn't it be
wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
What an amazing gift.

VE7SL / Steve


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eBay # 400022294251

That would make a nice 600m amp?

Mike
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Dear Uwe, LF Group,

Still nil since 2124utc - if this is due to QSB, it is very long duration!

Looking at the decodes so far (see below), they are mostly quite close to 
the lower limit of WSPR at around -33dB SNR. So if the SNR has deteriorated 
a few dB, that could be why no more copy has occured. On the spectrogram, 
the band noise level appears to be similar to what it was earlier, although 
the sidebands from Lakihegy have increased by several dB.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

2008 -33  1.0   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2012 -31  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2016 -30  1.1   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2020 -28  1.0   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2024 -29  1.0   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2028 -27  1.0   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2032 -25  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2036 -25  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2040 -23  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2044 -28  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2048 -22  1.7   0.135881  3 DY7EDN (BadMsg)
2048 -27  0.9   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2052 -21  0.9   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2056 -20  0.9   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2100 -33  1.0   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2104 -33  1.0   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2108 -33  1.1   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2112 -33  1.0   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2116 -29  0.9   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2120 -33  0.9   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2124 -33  1.1   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2130 -18  3.9   0.135888  1 DBX/TI4TJS S5
2154 -17  3.3   0.135887 -1 848VOU <...> R S1
2246 -28  4.5   0.135908  2 C93BEE (BadMsg)



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Hello John,
Your decode is correct, but please note the transmission came from
DJ8WX.=20
He was so kind to send for me a test transmission.=20

Thanks
Regards, vy73

Marco
DD7PC

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Subject: LF: DD7PC WSPR 137.500

Hello LF,

I'm decoding WSPR from DD7PC on 137.5 (dial freq 136.0) but the decodes
are not correctly formed, for beacon transmissions:

2008  -26  0.2  0.137501  0  DD7PC   DJ


No locator 4 figures and no power (dBm)

These spots aren't being uploaded to WSPRnet, or at least they aren't
appearing there...

I anyone else seeing this signal? The callsign is familiar, but the
format of the messages isn't!=20

Is this "QSO mode?" He seems to be sending evey alternate 2-minute
period, whereas WSPR in beacon mode is more random, and not as frequent.

Cheers

John
GM4SLV


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Hey everyone;

I'm warming up all the gear to see if I can copy ED, RU6LA tonite
on 2200 meters. Does anyone know what his possible ERP will be in
this direction ??

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN.
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 184.322 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35* 43' 54" - W:  84* 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr


      


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Hello Victor , Dex ,
Yes , good copy of XKO last night !
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

victor13@online.nl a =E9crit :
> Hello Joe your signal was still visable at 8:00z.
> Captured 2:30z
>
> 73
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I've been somewhat erratically lowering Tx power level during the evening,
and have now reached 0dBm ERP (ish).  The power setting within the Tx
message has been adjusted at each change, apart from three transmissions at
14dBm when it was still reporting 17dBm as the WSPR software wouldn't accept
a setting that wasn't already in its table.

The figures won't go below 0dBm  so they will no longer be a true
representation of tx power.   WSPRnet is still reporting several listeners
copying my sigs, now at -28dB S/N,  so will continue decreasing power a bit
longer.

The current 0dBm ERP is generated from 250mW being delivered to the
antenna.   I've just constructed a 100mW PA, so tomorrow will try that that
for some real QRP instead of the 200 Watt job backed off.


Andy  G4JNT
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<div>I&#39;ve been somewhat erratically lowering Tx power level during the e=
vening, and have now reached 0dBm ERP (ish).&nbsp; The power setting within=20=
the Tx message has been adjusted at each change, apart from three transmissi=
ons at 14dBm when it was still reporting 17dBm as the WSPR software wouldn&#=
39;t accept a setting that wasn&#39;t already in its table.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The figures won&#39;t&nbsp;go&nbsp;below 0dBm &nbsp;so they will no lon=
ger be a true representation of tx power.&nbsp;&nbsp; WSPRnet is still repor=
ting several listeners copying my sigs, now at -28dB S/N,&nbsp; so will cont=
inue decreasing power a bit longer.&nbsp; </div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The current 0dBm ERP is generated&nbsp;from 250mW being delivered to th=
e antenna.&nbsp;&nbsp; I&#39;ve just constructed a 100mW PA, so tomorrow wil=
l&nbsp;try that&nbsp;that for some real QRP instead of the 200 Watt job back=
ed off.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com">=
www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br><br></div>

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Hello, Uwe, LF,

Nothing here....so far.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Hello Uwe , Jame , LF

Nothing also

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj  JN06ht

James Moritz a écrit :
> Dear Uwe, LF Group,
>
> Nil copy since 2124utc - nothing visible on the spectrogram either.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
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Dear Andy, LF Group,

Well, the plugs and sockets are physically the same...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Come on then - explain :-)
> Never even heard of GR-874
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/1/26 Mark <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk>:
>> GR-874 I haven't seen any of those for a while, but I can see how any
>> description of them may be misinterpreted
>


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Hi Mal,

I needed a "chunky" rectifier a few years ago and managed to find
just what I needed at the local welding supply shop.  Most of the
wire-feed (MIG) type welders have a monolithic high current,
low voltage rectifier brick.  Good for 100 amps or so with a
voltage rating of 50 or more.  The price wasn't bad either.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle




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Come on Jim, learn the Murray code. I suppose DFCW is somewhat similar, a 
useful mode infact.

73 mal/g3kev

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> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
> Mmmm... There is something called DFCW where high and low tones correspond
> to dashes and dots of Morse. That way you don't need to learn another 
> code -
> it is also quicker because Morse characters have less than 7 1/2 symbols.
> Just imagine trying to work out all that figure shift/letter shift stuff
> when you have lost half the signal in the QRM!
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> --- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
>
> ....This would possibly be a good system to use if slowed down similar to
> QRS morse, with all the benefits.
> You do not need a teleprinter or any sort of print display, just read it
> directly off the waterfall display, 1 ele start, 5 elements info, and 1 
> and
> 1/2 elements stop. (total 7-1/2 elements per character) easy to ID and 
> read.
> 73 mal/g3kev
>
>
>


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Dear Jim,
I did see your notice conc dj8wx at the WSPRnet site.
thanks.
73
UweIdj8wx

Zitat von James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:

> Dear Uwe,
>
> Am in the process of modifying my 136kHz TX to take drive from my 
> transverter - should be ready in the next few days.
>
> BTW, have been getting one decode every 4 minutes consistently here. 
> I have been trying to upload them to the WSPRnet database, but I 
> think they have to be in the  Callsign/Locator/power beacon format 
> for this to work.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>





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On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:09:36 -0000
"Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Markus ,
> 
> 137-570  is the right carrier frequency ??
> 
> G ..
>

That's what it looks like here also

John


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Dear John, LF Group,

The WSPR beacon is now running on 137.50kHz (RF out), 136.0kHz "dial 
frequency", 33% TX. Any reports would be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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OK Mal,

 

Understood, sorry but I have never run a LF grabber, just the two 500KHz
sections for UK & US.

 

And now I am not uploading due to my local tests which will spoil the
grabber displays.

 

Dave's at Birmingham seems to be running but that is quite local.

 

73

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

 

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 24 January 2009 19:50
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: LOW ACTY LF/MF

 

Gary

I am worried because I cannot see your 137 khz grabber. I worked F6BWO
earlier today on LF cw so I know all is well, but there is not a LF grabber
in sight at present, even the Russians are QRT.

LF/MF is looking grim at present.

Mal/g3kev

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>  

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 

Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:10 PM

Subject: LF: RE: LOW ACTY LF/MF

 

Mal,

 

You had me worried there! I thought my grabbers were not operating but I
just checked & yes they are running OK at :-

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html

 

and

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html

 

Cheers,

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 


  _____  


From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 24 January 2009 17:50
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: LOW ACTY LF/MF

 

Acty vy low at present on LF/MF considering we are in the middle of Winter
and the DX season.

Even the GRABBERS have gone QRT !!!!

de mal/g3kev

 


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OK Mal,<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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od,
sorry but I have never run a LF grabber, just the two 500KHz sections for <s=
t1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:country-region w:st=3D"on">UK</st1:country-region>=
</st1:place>
&amp; US.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>And now
I am not uploading due to my local tests which will spoil the grabber displa=
ys.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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at Birmingham seems to be running but that is quite local.<o:p></o:p></span>=
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G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
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[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>mal <st1:City w:=
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: Re: RE: LOW ACTY
LF/MF</span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>I am worried because I cannot see your&nbsp;137 khz=
 grabber.
I worked F6BWO earlier today on LF cw so I know all is well, but there is no=
t a
LF grabber in sight at present, even the Russians are QRT.</span></font><o:p=
></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>LF/MF is looking grim at present.</span></font><o:p=
></o:p></p>

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m:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk" title=3D"g4wg=
t@tiscali.co.uk">Gary - G4WGT</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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f=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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 size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> L=
F: RE: LOW ACTY
LF/MF<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Mal,<o:p=
></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>You had
me worried there! I thought my grabbers were not operating but I just checke=
d
&amp; yes they are running OK at :-<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3D"http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html">http://myweb.tiscali.=
co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Gary
&#8211; G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
t></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
<a href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl=
acksheep.org</a>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>mal <st1:place w=
:st=3D"on"><st1:City  w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:City></st1:place><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 24 January 2009 17:50<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: LOW ACTY LF/MF</=
span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Acty vy low at present on LF/MF considering we are=20=
in the
middle of Winter and the DX season.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Even the GRABBERS have gone QRT !!!!</span></font><=
o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>de mal/g3kev</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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This is what has been copied so far, starting at about 22:00 UTC

2232 -27  2.1   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
2244 -27  2.1   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
2252 -19  2.1   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
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2306 -19  2.2   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2310 -16  2.3   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2318 -17  2.4   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2326 -20  2.3   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2328 -25  1.3   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2330 -15  2.3   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2332 -24  1.1   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2336 -14  2.4   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2340 -27  1.2   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
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2348 -27  1.3   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2352 -18  2.4   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23

Rx : Perseus    Ant : Roelof mini-whip    Winrad -> VAC -> WSPR

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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 Hi All,
I think Mal was very nearly there with a solution to thse problems(?) in sug=
gesting operation after midnight (or similar). There might be merit in accep=
ting that all of the experimental modes AND the established modes are valid=20=
for the purposes of "experimentation". Acceptance of this together with a vo=
luntary "bandplan" that was as much TIME based as mode/frequency based could=
 be a sensible way forward. "TIME" slots could rotate to allow people to "ex=
periment" at different periods of the 24 hour cycle with certain periods set=
 aside as "free-for-all". One would, therefore, also be allowing for experim=
entation under current conditions for those wishing to determine the QRM-bus=
ting (or otherwise) qualities of the various modes. A "Battle-Royal" is not=20=
the most adult way to start off a new year and neither is it a scientific me=
thod that would impress Ofcom or any other body of professionals.

My "threepennerth" for what it's worth (hopefully more than 3 pence worth de=
spite our blighted currency hi hi)

73 de Pat G4GVW


=20


=20

-----Original Message-----
From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:44
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240














Here Here Mal


=C2=A0


I wonder how many of these "Hi Tech" mode stations live within line of sight=
=C2=A0of another station then I think this BW hungry spread spectrum stuff w=
ould be a nightmare to that local station? Especially running as an inane be=
acon which undoubtedly will f
ollow.


=C2=A0


I have two 600m stations with in 8miles line of sight and another 13miles ov=
er open country from me their CW is phenominally strong, a signal like Olivi=
a 8/250 would obliorate the band for me. And for what?


I asked for Morse on/off keying and very narrow FSK in my NoV application. D=
id I miss something, like asking to use DSB? Its a 3 kc/s alloction for CS!


=C2=A0


Mal you've got my vote and probably the Vote of the silent majority on the B=
and.


=C2=A0


End of RANT!!


=C2=A0


73es HNY to all LF petefmt

--- On Sun, 4/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:



From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sunday, 4 January, 2009, 10:10 AM







No change Gary, in fact I sent an amateur 2 valve bases a while back to get=20=
him going on 137 khz.


If you read my emails carefully all=C2=A0 that I am saying is that to date a=
ll modes considered there has has been no improvement over normal CW or QRS=20=
and very economical with bandwidth and signal transfer between stations.


=C2=A0


I have no objection to any mode being used as long as it does not swamp the=20=
band to the detriment of other band users. This past couple of nights one th=
ird of the available band of 3 khz has been occupied by olivia plus other da=
ta modes. ie 3 transmissions running parallel, this I do object to especiall=
y when I was having a QSO with G3XIZ and almost swamped o
ut, however I do have good selectivity and did manage but I think XIZ and hi=
s experimental DC receiver was having a hard time. A data transmission or an=
y other mode using around 200 hz bandwidth would be acceptable most of the t=
ime.


To be reasonable I have one suggestion. If someone is compelled to use a 1 k=
hz wide mode then do it after say midnight for a few hours.=20


This reflecter has a big audicence and I get a considerable amounnt of priva=
te emails agreeing with observations that I am making, I also get a few that=
 disagree.


=C2=A0


As regards helping others this is going on all the time, and I frequently re=
ply to requests for advice with all=C2=A0 aspects of LF and MF=C2=A0projects=
.


I also get help, recently as a=C2=A0 result of a discussion about preamps tw=
o other amateurs reading the=C2=A0mail sent=C2=A0me the required chips at no=
 cost and likewise I do the same thing.


=C2=A0


Most radio amateurs on here do discuss or argue their=C2=A0point in a civili=
sed manner but=C2=A0you must have noticed how HOSTILE or ABUSIVE some get wh=
en their opinin=C2=A0differs from others. They lose ther plot go off at a ta=
ngent and start=C2=A0 attacking the individual putting forward a point of vi=
ew.


=C2=A0


I am not against black boxes for certain applications=C2=A0and have used the=
m in the past ie PK232 and KAM., computer systems sound cards with the appro=
priate software. I have a NOV for BBS operations GB7KEV and shifted the east=
 coast main line mail for several years int
o Scotland and beyond using a V/UHF node network and gateway also on HF for=20=
worldwide mail exchanges. Main modes PACKET on V/UHF and Amtor/pactor on HF.


This business has almost gone now with the advent of Internet access for mai=
l and traffic exchanges. The black box=C2=A0is ideal for the mass transfer o=
f messages which would be a chore on CW.


I hope you now understand my point of view.


73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV


=C2=A0


=C2=A0




----- Original Message -----=20


From: Gary - G4WGT=20


To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20


Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:03 PM


Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240








Mal,



=C2=A0




I admit, not nearly as many as you.


=C2=A0


But why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don=E2=80=
=99t do it your way it isn=E2=80=99t correct.


=C2=A0


I would be much nicer to advise & help others, don=E2=80=99t you think?


=C2=A0


I remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me & it was good advice,=
 I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?


=C2=A0


Gary =E2=80=93 G4WGT.


=C2=A0











From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner- rsgb_lf_group@black=
sheep.org ] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:48
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: QRS 240



=C2=A0




29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your score.





g3kev





=C2=A0







----- Original=3D2
0Message -----=20





From: Gary - G4WGT=20





To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20





Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM





Subject: LF: RE: QRS 240





=C2=A0



LF,


=C2=A0


Oh my god, he=E2=80=99s doing it on 136KHz now !!!


=C2=A0


Gary - G4WGT.


=C2=A0











From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org ] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:22
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: QRS 240



=C2=A0




Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot !!!.Thi=
nk how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB on rhe c=
arrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1





g3kev





=C2=A0











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<div> <font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hi All,<br>
I think Mal was very nearly there with a solution to thse problems(?) in sug=
gesting operation after midnight (or similar). There might be merit in accep=
ting that all of the experimental modes AND the established modes are valid=20=
for the purposes of "experimentation". Acceptance of this together with a vo=
luntary "bandplan" that was as much TIME based as mode/frequency based could=
 be a sensible way forward. "TIME" slots could rotate to allow people to "ex=
periment" at different periods of the 24 hour cycle with certain periods set=
 aside as "free-for-all". One would, therefore, also be allowing for experim=
entation under current conditions for those wishing to determine the QRM-bus=
ting (or otherwise) qualities of the various modes. A "Battle-Royal" is not=20=
the most adult way to start off a new year and neither is it a scientific me=
thod that would impress Ofcom or any other body of professionals.<br>
<br>
My "threepennerth" for what it's worth (hopefully more than 3 pence worth de=
spite our blighted currency hi hi)<br>
<br>
73 de Pat G4GVW<br>
</font></div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: M0FMT &lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt;<br>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
Sent: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:44<br>
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240<br>
<br>






<div id=3D"AOLMsgPart_2_c51bef3d-d7b5-4951-bd7f-a95bb192dfad">

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: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; -x-system-font: none;" valign=3D"top">
<div>Here Here Mal</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>I wonder how many of these "Hi Tech" mode stations live within line of=20=
sight&nbsp;of another station then I think this BW hungry spread spectrum st=
uff would be a nightmare to that local station? Especially running as an ina=
ne beacon which undoubtedly will follow.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>I have two 600m stations with in 8miles line of sight and another 13mil=
es over open country from me their CW is phenominally strong, a signal like=20=
Olivia 8/250 would obliorate the band for me. And for what?</div>


<div>I asked for Morse on/off keying and very narrow FSK in my NoV applicati=
on. Did I miss something, like asking to use DSB? Its a 3 kc/s alloction for=
 CS!</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Mal you've got my vote and probably the Vote of the silent majority on=20=
the Band.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>End of RANT!!</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>73es HNY to all LF petefmt<br>
<br>
--- On <b>Sun, 4/1/09, mal hamilton <i>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talkta=
lk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</a>&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br>
</div>

<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left:=20=
5px; margin-left: 5px;">From: mal hamilton &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@ta=
lktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org</a><br>
Date: Sunday, 4 January, 2009, 10:10 AM<br>

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<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">No change Gary, in fact I sent an amate=
ur 2 valve bases a while back to get him going on 137 khz.</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">If you read my ema
ils carefully all&nbsp; that I am saying is that to date all modes considere=
d there has has been no improvement over normal CW or QRS and very economica=
l with bandwidth and signal transfer between stations.</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I have no objection to any mode being u=
sed as long as it does not swamp the band to the detriment of other band use=
rs. This past couple of nights one third of the available band of 3 khz has=20=
been occupied by olivia plus other data modes. ie 3 transmissions running pa=
rallel, this I do object to especially when I was having a QSO with G3XIZ an=
d almost swamped out, however I do have good selectivity and did manage but=20=
I think XIZ and his experimental DC receiver was having a hard time. A data=20=
transmission or any other mode using around 200 hz bandwidth would be accept=
able most of the time.</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">To be reasonable I have one suggestion.=
 If someone is compelled to use a 1 khz wide mode then do it after say midni=
ght for a few hours. </font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">This reflecter has a big audicence and=20=
I get a considerable amounnt of private emails agreeing with observations th=
at I am making, I also get a few that disagree.</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">As regards helping others this is going=
 on all the time, and I frequently reply to requests for advice with all&nbs=
p
; aspects of LF and MF&nbsp;projects.</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I also get help, recently as a&nbsp; re=
sult of a discussion about preamps two other amateurs reading the&nbsp;mail=20=
sent&nbsp;me the required chips at no cost and likewise I do the same thing.=
</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Most radio amateurs on here do discuss=20=
or argue their&nbsp;point in a civilised manner but&nbsp;you must have notic=
ed how HOSTILE or ABUSIVE some get when their opinin&nbsp;differs from other=
s. They lose ther plot go off at a tangent and start&nbsp; attacking the ind=
ividual putting forward a point of view.</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I am not against black boxes for certai=
n applications&nbsp;and have used them in the past ie PK232 and KAM., comput=
er systems sound cards with the appropriate software. I have a NOV for BBS o=
perations GB7KEV and shifted the east coast main line mail for several years=
 into Scotland and beyond using a V/UHF node network and gateway also on HF=20=
for worldwide mail exchanges. Main modes PACKET on V/UHF and Amtor/pactor on=
 HF.</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">This business has almost gone now with=20=
the advent of Internet access for mail and traffic exchanges. The black box&=
nbsp;is ideal for the mass transfer of messages which would be a chore on CW=
.</font></div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I hope you now understand my point of v=
iew.</font>
</div>


<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV</font></div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>

<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px=
; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">

<div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;=20=
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust:=
 none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">----- Original Message -=
---- </div>


<div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-=
background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-ba=
ckground-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal=
; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: n=
ormal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">=
<b>From:</b> <a title=3D"g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk" href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.c=
o.uk" rel=3D"nofollow">Gary - G4WGT</a> </div>


<div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;=20=
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust:=
 none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"r=
sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" re=
l=3D"nofollow">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> </div>


<div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;=20=
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust:=
 none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, J=
anuary 03, 2009 9:03 PM</div>


<div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;=20=
font-weight:   normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjus=
t: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Subject:</b> LF: RE=
: Re: RE: QRS 240</div>


<div><br>
</div>


<div class=3D"Section1">

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">Mal,</span></font></b></div>
</div>


<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></b></div>
</blockquote></div>


<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">I admit, not nearly as many as you.</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">But why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don=
=E2=80=99t do it your way it isn=E2=80=99t correct.</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">I would be much nicer to a
dvise &amp; help others, don=E2=80=99t you think?</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">I remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me &amp; it was=20=
good advice, I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?=
</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">Gary =E2=80=93 G4WGT.</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></b>
</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: center;" align=3D"center"><fon=
t size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" lang=
=3D"EN-US">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"100%" align=3D"center">
</span></font></div>


<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"=
font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang=3D"EN-US">Fro=
m:</span></font></b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang=3D"EN-US"> owner- <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb=
  _lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> [<a href=3D"mai=
lto:owner-?">mailto:owner-</a> <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or=
g">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> ] <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">=
On Behalf Of </span></b>mal hamilton<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> 03 January 2009 20:48=
<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> LF: Re: RE: QRS 24=
0</span></font><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></div>
</div>


<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;</span></font>
</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font=
-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What=
 is your score.</span></font></div>
</div>


<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font=
-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">g3kev</span></font></div>
</div>


<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;</span></font></div>
</div>

<blockquote style=3D"border-style: none none none solid; border-color: -moz-=
use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color black; border-width:=20=
medium medium medium 1.5pt; margin: 5pt 0cm 5pt 3.75pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm=
 4pt;">

<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font=
-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">----- Original Message ----- </span></font=
></div>
</div>


<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat=
 sc  roll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin:=
 -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><b><font size=
=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; fon=
t-family: Arial;">From:</span></font></b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a title=3D"g4wgt@tiscali=
.co.uk" href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk" rel=3D"nofollow">Gary - G4WGT</a=
> </span></font></div>
</div>


<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"f=
ont-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">To:</span></font></b=
><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family=
: Arial;"> <a title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org" rel=3D"nofollow">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> </sp=
an></font></div>
</div>


<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"f=
ont-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Sent:</span></font><=
/b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fami=
ly: Arial;"> Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM</span></font></div>
</div>


<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"f=
ont-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Subject:</span></fon=
t></b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-f=
amily: Arial;"> LF: RE: QRS 240</span></font></div>
</div>


<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;</span></font></div>
</div>


<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: b  lue; font-family=
: Arial;">LF,</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">Oh my god, he=E2=80=99s doing it on 136KHz now !!!</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">Gary - G4WGT.</span></font></b>
</div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; color: blue; font-family:=20=
Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></b>
</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: center;" align=3D"center"><fon=
t size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" lang=
=3D"EN-US">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"100%" align=3D"center">
</span></font></div>


<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"=
font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang=3D"EN-US">Fro=
m:</span></font></b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang=3D"EN-US"> <a href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org" rel=3D"nofollow">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:owner-?">mailto:owner-</a> <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf=
_group  @blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> ] <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>mal hamilton<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> 03 January 2009 20:22=
<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> rsgb<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> LF: QRS 240</span>=
</font><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></div>
</div>


<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;</span></font>
</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font=
-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is=
 sending at qrs240 sec dot !!!.Think how long this would take for a QSO, sur=
prisingly there is no QSB on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could r=
ead it at qrs 1</span></font></div>
</div>


<div>

<div class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font=
-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">g3kev</span></font></div>
</div>


<div>

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I will be QRV on 137.5kHz in regular CW on Sunday morning, abt. 08.00 -
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Heinz, OE5EEP<br>
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  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Will&nbsp; there be anyone active on
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  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Take advantage of the DX season.</font></div>
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Jim,

The thing to  check for is the number of sync locks it has , ...
gives a good idea of the path usability.

G ..

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> Dear LF Group,
>
> Still watching G4WGT's WSPR signal here - it is interesting to see how it
> copes well with the QSB. Compare the last few decodes:
>
> 2006 -30  1.2   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
> 2014 -22  1.1   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
> 2018 -22  1.0   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
> 2024 -27  1.3   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
> 2030 -24  1.2   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
>
> with the WSPR spectrogram attached (it looks similar in Spectrum Lab), and
> you can see that although in a significant fraction of each transmission
> period the signal has faded to invisibility, decoding has still been
> successful.
>
> It is also interesting to see in the WSPRnet database that GM4SLV is
> reporting SNR that is consistently several dB better than here at M0BMU,
> although he is nearly 3 times as far from G4WGT.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>



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Mal,

Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


73s from Dave




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Jay
Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and agn 2=
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It looks ok so far.
mal
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:05:03 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear John, LF Group,
> 
> The WSPR beacon is now running on 137.50kHz (RF out), 136.0kHz "dial 
> frequency", 33% TX. Any reports would be very welcome.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU 
> 
> 

Jim & LF,

Some finger touble with the pre-amp, but seems stable now.

Old laptop is a bit sluggish at decoding, but looking okay now at -13dB
s/n


Looks like I'm your 2nd best "miles per watt" on 136, at 978km

Cheers,

John


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I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.

So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co=
m>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>
>> OLIVIA :
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>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<Uq
>> 8
>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>> gnbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>
>>
>> MFSK8
>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  =D9*BwkiroN9 -in=F0?Sd=DB4=BFhIa lr
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>> amSdeMe=D4dYbV*=C5=AD  ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq =BCeeawi i
>> =C0thiei=9A=B8etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jt=9E;a=BA o=BAnJ=BAo
>> a I=A4narLx=FDikc igq'<anel6
>> rmmz e rke wxe=FBhC vo)o=B7dad=AA=8Begseey(v e vt sce\ wVsccon  t"tciu
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bd  g0nbd
>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =ADiefo&
>> kD kk e e0enm o=A7 HbecOgh=C9o  eno fsewtit,es m=CCx=AAoitn 'Xei eaer=FEi=
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Q
>> DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
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>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=E2pg H Jant0n9=A8j=B7eoet n
>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=F4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>> a=B1 rotet a=DC Foe2_vl=A7ms=ED t=CCk  t=3D l=C5 edCQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g=
0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =AB=F2ee
>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>
>>
>>
>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>
>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>
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Paul-Henrik, Jim, LF,

I think I'm seeing a Loran line on 136.380, but no sign of any CW. Lots of
SMPSU QRM around that frequency, as well.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of James Moritz
Sent: 16 January 2009 18:10
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ


Dear Paul - Henrik,

On the spectrogram I am seeing what could be very weak CW near to
136.400kHz, but there are several Loran lines close to this frequency, so it
is a bit hard to tell. The spectrum is a bit clearer near 136.350kHz - could
you QSY?

BTW, the lower end of the band is quite badly affected by the sidebands from
Lakihegy in mainland Europe, so you might consider a a higher frequency.

You could also try sending a series of "long dashes" for a few minutes, i.e.
key down for 10s, key up for 10s

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ


LF, transmitting now. CW on 136.40kHz.



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From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: Re: LF: 137 NIL
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 07:47:54 -0500

----- Original Message Follows -----
> Noticed same thing here, Paul with e-antennas, so tried
> this and it serves  well from 17.2 kc. to 6 meters.
>
> TNX de Dave @ WD2XSH/17
>
> ref: www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP1107.jpg
>

Hi Dave, Lowfers,

If you wouldn't mind, can you give us a more detailed pix
and/or description of the coupling.  It looks like you've
got a series tuned circuit at the end of the feeders?
How is it coupled to the rig?  Thanks in advance.

73, J.B., VE3EAR


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Tnx Hans for that info. Will be looking out for a LA qso on CW.
73 de mal/g3kev

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Subject: LF: LA on 600 mtrs


gm all,
fwg just rd fm radio-officers@googlegroups.com

begins

According to a message in NRRL-HQ bulletin QST-LA0309, the Norwegian PTT 
supports the views of NRRL that the historic significance of 500 kHz should 
be kept alive through use of its primary mode Morse telegraphy, and has 
granted a preliminary permission for Norwegian radio amateurs to operate on 
a secondary basis in the frequency band 490 – 510 kHz using A1A only. The 
preliminary permission runs until the results from WRC2011 is known. 
Detailed regulations for operation in this narrow segment are under 
preparations by NRRL and the Norwegian PTT. The results from these are 
expected to be ready early spring 2009, and thus no operation will take 
place until they are announced.

 Hans Chr. Haaland

LA2EG


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lucky Norwegians
DL3NRV





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Are you implying that the zone below 503.900 is not quiet ?
Is it worth me moving to a frequency above .900 ?

Andy  G4JNT
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2009/1/26 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
> Jim,
>
> That looks to  of gone quite well , Gary has just wired me , there are some
> new stations sending in spots to
> the wspr data base
>
> only thing on the 504 signal .. the  quite zone looks to  be  only 100 hz
> wide , from  503.9 to  504
> but I don't see any false decodes at the moment ( 2 hours running) so the
> splash is 'ok'
>
> G ..
>
> --------------------------------------------------
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>>
>> Dear Gary,
>>
>> Should be fine with me - I expect someone will still be broadcasting on
>> 252kHz tomorrow!
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
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Hey Jim, 

Yes ; J.B. is right, even though I'm 425 miles inland with
the Appalachian Mountain Range between us, I,m going to try
agn. I didn't mention in yesterdays post, but watching the
waterfall display, I did see an extremely faint trace very
close to the 1500 cycle mark, not solid, very broken, but
it was there. One of my disadvantages is noise in the house
from my daughters computer, her monitor generates noise
right in this range. One of these days, I suppose I'm going
to have to get around to trying a loop ! hi hi.

73, and will be monitoring tonite:

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN.
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 184.322 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35* 43' 54" - W:  84* 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr


--- On Thu, 1/8/09, J. B. Weazle McCreath <weazle@hurontel.on.ca> wrote:

> From: J. B. Weazle McCreath <weazle@hurontel.on.ca>
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight
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> Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 3:46 PM
> Hello Jim, LFers,
> 
> I've got my 1200 foot longwire aimed at you and will be
> listening
> and watching for any "whispers" coming across the
> pond.  I see
> that Andy tried last evening, so he'll likely be on
> tonite too.
> 
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
> Solar and wind powered
> Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
> EN93dr
> 
> http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


      


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Getting a wspr decode
203200 4 0 -0.7 4 0=20
but no callsign or locator
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Dear Andrey, LF Group,

That should not be a problem for the beacon software, which receives all 
WSPR signals within a +/- 100Hz band

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello Uwe,
> You may transmitting on frequency, multiple 10 hz?
> It is very interesting to me to receive your signal, but
> my receiver does not allow to be adjusted on the
> frequency which is coming to an end on 5.
>
> 73
> Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV
> 



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Dear John, LF Group,

Oops! I was too busy posting the new frequency details to WSPRnet to notice 
I hadn't actually changed frequency yet! But interesting to see that with 
the rig, and the "dial frequency" box in WSPR set to 502.4kHz, and TX 
frequency in WSPR set to 503.5kHz, the signal actually did come out on 
503.5kHz. So although WSPR only receives in an audio range of 1500+/-100Hz, 
it will actually transmit outside that range. Might be useful to know.

BTW, Gary - it would be interesting if you could transmit - the carrier(s) 
on 504kHz are quite strong here at the moment, it would be interesting to 
see if that affects weak signal WSPR reception.

BTW, Ko - think you need to update the frequency in WSPR too!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

> And it looks like Jim's stayed down on 502 - being reported by Mark and
> OH8HTG.
>
> That'll please the nay-sayers - WSPR spreading all over the band!



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Hi Wolf,
what abt the RegTP?
regards
Uwe/dj8wx

Zitat von Wolfgang B=FCscher <dl4yhf@freenet.de>:

> Hi John P-G,
>
> you wrote:
>> The grabber image, updated every 5 minutes, is here:
>>
>> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg
>>
>>
> Phew, what a beautiful clean "Loran curtain" ;-)
> Wish I had such a QRM-free place for reception somewhere around here !
>
> 73,
>  Wolf
> (still battling the local QRM.
> But the only chance seems to be flipping the ground fault circuit=20
> interrupters in the neighbouring houses... harr harr )
>
>
>




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Markus, LF

Thanks for the "snippet", looks much better than the one from yesterday. A Q=
SO
is possible now, I just have to swap some cables. I suppose the mode would b=
e
QRSS3 anyway and hence below real time performance in swapping TX turns is o=
f
less importance.

Last time I spoke with Reino was one and a half years ago and he said the 13=
6kHz
antenna hadn't been up for quite a while nor did he have any firm plans of
erecting it again in a near future. That is not to say he is QRT forever on
136kHz.


73's

Paul-Henrik


Quoting Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>:

> Paul Henrik,
>
> good QRSS-3 copy here in Nuernberg as well - here's a snippet (or sniplet?=
)
> around 16:10. We're looking forward to when you are
> ready for two-way QSO's ;-)
>
> You mentioned that Reino is no longer active on LF? Haven't heard or seen=20=
him
> for a long time...
>
> Kind regards
> Markus, DF6NM
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
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> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Daytime test: OH1LSQ on 136.80kHz
>
>
> Hello LF
>
> Will continue the transmission on 136.80kHz over the evening and night.
>
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
>
>
>
>
>




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I've just watched Jim and Grahams transmissions both in the same slot for
four periods. And all decoded OK.
At a rough guess Grahams transmission was 1500ms shorter in duration than
Jims.
Thus confirming Jims tedious findings.

This constitues a reasonable bit rate error.

I suppose over a longer period of receiving Grahams signal will tend to
produce more erroneous data and be rejected.
Pulling out the antenna early has limited this accululating error.

The converse is probably true on receive, just how long are stations really
receiving for.
And the net total of both transmission and reception timing errors between
two specific stations yeild this odd outcome where, some stations
combinations receive consistently fine, while others struggle.
Stations that clearly see multiple transmissions, yet fail to decode any are
probably suffering a receive frame timing error.

The questions maybe how much of a timing discrepancy is WSPR prepared to
tolerate.
And/or does it make any attempt to phase lock onto the data stream presented
(if so what's the pull in range).

Just some thoughts for the cooking pot.

73,
Lee M0LMH.




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Dear Graham, LF Group,

Remembering what I said jokingly to RA3AGC a few days ago about visually=20
verifying a spectrogram trace of a WSPR signal, and the discussions of=20
merits of WSPR vs QRSS, I thought this ought to work for diagnosis=20
purposes - after all, WSPR is measuring the received frequency changes and=20
the times at which they change, and in principle the same info is displayed=20
by the spectrogram.

So I spent a "hugely exciting" couple of hours studying your signal with=20
Spectrum Lab, and comparing it with a locally generated signal from my PC=20
(which everyone seems to decode OK), configured with the same beacon message

you have been transmitting. Eventually, I realised that the difference was=20
that your transmissions are a few seconds shorter than the locally generated

signals - in the attachment, the locally generated signals have the dark,=20
noise free background. This means the transmitted sequence will be a couple=20
of symbols out of step by the end of each transmission - I expect that could

mess up the demodulation/decoding processes quite a lot. If you have a noisy

signal, the demodulator/decoder might be using effectively just the least=20
noisy fraction of the signal, with less timing error over a shorter part of=20
the sequence.

To test this theory, I waited until about 1 minute of your signal had=20
appeared on the spectrogram, then unplugged the antenna, so that the=20
remaining minute was white noise. The result was successful decodes! I tried

this 3 times, and it worked 3 times. So your signal does not have to be=20
noisy in order to decode, there has to be part of it missing in order to=20
decode!

So that might be why the signals don't decode - whether this is a problem=20
with the soundcard, motherboard, or software is probably a question for=20
K1JT! Still, a step in the right direction...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU=20

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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
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Thanks Andy,

Well the drive level is direct from multipsk  , but with 2 applications=20
running thats +6db up 3 .. may be +12 db over the norm .. might of been a=20
bit much for the   soundblaster awe64   (ISA version)

the local copy of the 2 modes has one looking stronger , but the R&S  meter=20
with in line head is showing the same for each and double for both .. so  i=20
think im linear

G ...

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From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:59 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -=20
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Yes, just about the same level of decoding, but MFSK certainly looks
> weaker on teh spectrogrram.
> Need to stop Rx and tunr off now, but will monitor this reflector
>
> Interesting stuff - half-tempted to apply for teh 500kHz NoV.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/3 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>> Andy,
>>
>> Are you looking at the same level of demodulation  for olivia and  mfsk ?
>>
>> If so  that's a useful outcome as I know some stations are in the process=
=20
>> of
>> making tx transverters, but don't have linear power amps.. in which case,
>> mfsk  may offer an  advantage over 2 tone rtt ?
>>
>> Tnx- G ..
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:21 PM
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>
>>>
>>> I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
>>> throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
>>> important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
>>> particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
>>> getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
>>> but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
>>> poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.
>>>
>>> So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
>>> over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
>>> fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
>>> much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
>>> QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>>>
>>>> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if=20
>>>> you
>>>> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
>>>> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot"
>>>> <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER=20
>>>> BEACON -
>>>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>>>>
>>>>> OLIVIA :
>>>>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>>>>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c=
<Uq
>>>>> 8
>>>>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>>>>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>>>>> gnbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>>>>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0=
nbd
>>>>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> MFSK8
>>>>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  =D9*BwkiroN9 -in=F0?Sd=DB4=BFhIa lr
>>>>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog  rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez;  uETqioB Vae   n Ct W
>>>>> amSdeMe=D4dYbV*=C5=AD  ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq =BCeeaw=
i i
>>>>> =C0thiei=9A=B8etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jt=9E;a=BA o=BAnJ=BAo
>>>>> a I=A4narLx=FDikc igq'<anel6
>>>>> rmmz e rke wxe=FBhC vo)o=B7dad=AA=8Begseey(v e vt sce\ wVsccon  t"tciu
>>>>> tt=A3h,iFtI=BCv lre=A6eek=FAn =80i z=E0=C2UP nve =BD=F9I t$   : nNe t=20=
 lro&"t l=D6
>>>>> e=B7=F7RenuIoqemfep ,=A4esss=ADfer tt=EA oequea8  =A4d=A7]xaV=B0N~u=
=C7 pAbd  g0nbd
>>>>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =ADiefo&
>>>>> kD kk e e0enm o=A7 HbecOgh=C9o  eno fsewtit,es m=CCx=AAoitn 'Xei eaer=
=FEii
>>>>> lscktleea it=A5 nd=B7WmoEi=ADxirwn mdW=E3=A6 7euc eg%oa loPttst   CQ C=
Q CQ
>>>>> DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk rBt=F28e=E6 t=B6=ADknmm)mL   io=
 4Eek a
>>>>> oiiqa  o zt eoun cKldd=F98 =B0o9aZnz=E5ee  1  =B9tlTtii0q=3Di ielsaa n=
u 0 mPn=FA=FFK
>>>>> =B3S=A2 iwX=E4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=E2pg H Jant0n9=A8j=B7eoet n
>>>>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=F4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>>>>> a=B1 rotet a=DC Foe2_vl=A7ms=ED t=CCk  t=3D l=C5 edCQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd=
  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =AB=F2ee
>>>>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>>>>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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Hi Lee, LF,

Good to see you transmitting on the band Lee. I looked back at my WSPR log &
despite you starting on the same frequency I was using there was no
conflict, thanks for the QSY.

Nice going for 10mW & if you were using separate Tx & Rx it would be
difficult to align the two devices.

I look forward to seeing/hearing you again.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

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Subject: LF: RE: M0LMH in WSPR had to look twice !

Hi Jim, John, Graham, Gary, LF Group,

With one month remaining on the NoV (before renewal!!) I thought it time to
put the station on the air.
It's taken long enough to put it all together, from nothing!
My junk box doesn't normally contain much in the line of RF parts, HI.

So thought I have a try at WSPR and see who hears my mere 10mW first
transmission.

Well to be honest I'm most surprised with the reports from GM4SLV @
700miles.
Thanks for tuning down for a listen, John.

Apologies to Gary for transmitting on his frequency on the first
transmission.
I don't think we doubled as it turns out, since you gave me a report!!

I have an odd issue too with the sound card I use in that the TX/RX
frequencies are about 12Hz different,
But this is only when using the WSPR software.

Hence two corrections, first to line Jim up on RX then another to get my TX
frequency where I intended 503.930kHz.

Thanks go to those who have given words of advice from time to time over the
past 6 months.
And John Gould (RSGB HF Manager) for giving me some encouragement in the
first place to attempt the NoV application and also for giving it the once
over before it was officially posted.

73,
Lee M0LMH,
IO93gx



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Thought I had a false decode of Jim .. but it was real hi

090128 0010  18 -13  0.9   0.503930  M0LMH IO93 10           0     1    0
090128 0012  34   3  0.6   0.503900  M0BMU IO91 30           0     1    0
090128 0018  30  -2  0.5   0.503900  M0BMU IO91 30           0     1    0
090128 0018  19 -11  0.8   0.503931  M0LMH IO93 10           0     1    0

Something is very wrong with the lf set up  I did not decode Gary all night
and not all of Jims signals decoded  either

So using the ft897-d with the ads/usb sound card , every trace is decoding
so .. looks like the sound card is the problem as the rx and tx had similar
problems ..

wonderful ...

G .. 







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Yes, but Mal was copying by ear...  ;-)))

Aye, a lost talent to be sure...  Shodding the goat, that is...

Data vs. CW, shall I be to or from??

Dave @ WD2XSH/17  QSW 502400 hz.




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> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:42:50 -0000
> "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
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>> Getting a wspr decode
>> 203200 4 0 -0.7 4 0 
>> but no callsign or locator
>> g3kev
> 
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> 2032  12 -18  0.1   0.503967  G0NBD IO83 13 
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:22:33 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
> 
> The M0BMU WSPR beacon is now running on 503.5kHz again, hopefully
> continuing overnight. Any reports would be very welcome.


Hello Jim,

My first RX period just happened to coincided with one of your TX
periods:-

2246 +5dB

Good aural copy on loudspeaker too.

Cheers,

John


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Only traces here

73

Victor
  -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos OK2BVG
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  Hello Warren and LF!
  I saw XGJ and XKO this morning.

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Not only has K1JT broken the noise barrier but he also has succeeded with 
antenna theory to the point where his signals captured are 31DB better off 
at a longer distance yet...

What could this mean??  Negative resistance loop antenna??

Mel,

Its time to put the side swiper on e-bay...


Dave@WD2XSH/17


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> Dear LF Group,
>
> Looking at the spots from "K1JT" on the reflector, I guess someone has not 
> updated the WSPR defaults before uploading to the database. Since G4WGT is 
> getting similar SNR reports to G4JNT with much lower ERP, I guess it must 
> be someone in the north... please check!
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73  de M0BMU
> 



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Hello Jim,

I am vy lucky to have success in decoding your WSPR-signals.

2142 -17  2.9   0.137441  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2148 -18  2.9   0.137441  0 M0BMU IO91 23

73  de Gerhard  //  DK6NI

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>
>> Dear LF Group,
>>
>> I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/-
>> (136.0kHz "dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any reports
>> would be very welcome.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>>
> 






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HI LF,

 

For the benefit of the UK WSPRer's I have set up a temporary grabber.

 

1 minute grabs & uploads, 2 minutes refresh.

 

I hope it is useful.

 

Of course you will have to put up with my Tx sessions clobbering the grabber
at times.

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html

 

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>For the benefit of the <st1:cou=
ntry-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-r=
egion> WSPRer&#8217;s
I have set up a temporary grabber.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>1 minute grabs &amp; uploads, 2=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Of course you will have to put=20=
up with my
Tx sessions clobbering the grabber at times.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p=
>

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Dear Mal, LF Group,

That is an interesting experiment - It would be interesting to know how far 
apart the loops are to result in different fading patterns.

I would be very wary in interpreting the results from two totally different 
types of receiver - The SLM has essentially a fixed gain, while I see the 
IC-746 has a DSP "back end" with complex AGC loops acting on both analogue 
and digital parts. I guess the AGC in the IC746 is never totally disabled in 
order to prevent overloading of the A/D converter. So that may explain why 
loop "B" has a more constant apparent output level. One check would be to 
swap over the antennas between receivers, and see what difference that made. 
I suppose it would not be too difficult to have, say, a relay that switched 
the same RX input between the two antennas, perhaps every 10 or 20s or so, 
with an attenuator pad to get the signal levels roughly equal. That way , 
the comparison could be made with a single receiver.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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LF/MF
I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using two 
loops... 



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Gary,

I don't think a guard band is really needed as if you set the centre carrier 
frequency to  503.9 , then operating at the extreme edges is not really 
possible, you're  right on the edge of the waterfall. the deviation is only 
round  6 hz

Re power .. I would say, the erp  is the most meaningful,  actual  power 
supplied to the antenna without the performance data of the array doesn't 
really mean too much ?

G ..

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>
> Hi All,
>
> In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top part 
> of
> the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a 
> 200Hz
> slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
> 503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.
>
> My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 503.550KHz
> data.
>
> Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 25 January 2009 18:32
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>
> John,
>
> Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move 
> to
>
> the band edge without problems
> clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down
>
> With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a 
> reasonable
> concept as it will allow other 'casual'
> monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post 
> needed
> to  announce a test !
>
> What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or just
> sleeping ?
>
> G ..
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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>
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
>> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>>
>> Oh no!
>>
>> Please let's not get into this again....
>>
>> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
>> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>>
>> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
>> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
>> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>>
>> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
>> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
>> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>>
>>
>> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>>
>> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>>
>> John
>> GM4SLV
>>
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WOW!   -21db, and ARGO clean...

Uploaded @ 0002

Reading +10 above the noise w/ Spectra Vue

Lookin good...

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Mike,

Do you have any idea how I can stop these rsgb_lf_group messages???

TNX  Dave

could you 'unsubscribe' me??
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  It's not even lunch time here!!! hi hi...It was pretty quiet last night on=
 600m. I chatted with Pat XSH/6 for a bit at 0520z. Regular CW too...hi hi

  Mike
  WE0H
  WD2XSH/16



  Mal wrote:=20
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    mal/g3kev

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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:58:26 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi LF,
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Interesting observation.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Tonight up to now I have only had one decode from Graham's WSPR &
> that was when I had a high level of broadband noise here masking the
> signal.
>

Yes, I also notice good decodes at low S/N ratios, during downward
fades, but nil decodes when the signal is stronger than about -6dB

>From what I can find at the WSPR forums others have seen poor decodes
of strong signals due to soundcard sample rate problems, and in this
instance I assume the problem is at the sending end.

Perhaps a period of QRP operation might help, counterintuitively.

Cheers,

John

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A 600m grabber would be neat up there...hi hi...

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>
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OK, Jean-Pierre!
Band is active from UA direction - as you can see on the picture. 
Thanks for your grabber, I am using it very much.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG

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> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:49:08 +0100
> From: jpm.f1afj@online.fr
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> Ok , Tnx Lubos , I started my grabber in "asia" direction , nil at moment !
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> 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj
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> Lubos OK2BVG a écrit :
> > "YO" started at 13:00UT on my monitor.
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Jay,

yes, I absolutely agree to your point. We did want to use the upper TA window during our evenings to have a chance to get on the 
BY/KL1X grabber. But I'd suggest we follow the example set by RU6LA a couple of days ago, and QSY down to the Eu transmit window 
after midnight UT for possible stateside reception.

Now that everything is connected here, I intend to fire up the "NM" beacon again on 136318.3 for the rest of tonight.

Best wishes

Markus, DF6NM

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Subject: LF: 137 kHz T/A


 137 kHz EU stations

 There are probably at least a few stations in the US (including me!) that have been and are still  interested in receiving your
signals. Unfortunately, all EU stations seem to have moved their transmitters into the US transmitting window at 137778 kHz. When US
stations are transmitting (which  is often) this prevents any chance for reception of EU stations at many receiving locations.

 Looking back at T/A captures from years past I see that the EU transmitting window was previously centered on 136318 kHz. This
provided adequate frequency separation and I was successful at  receiving stations with even modest setups. I wonder how this
frequency change came about and  whether EU stations would consider going back to their old transmitting window. Thoughts?

 Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/1

 (blind toward EU on 137 kHz...)




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I will be QRV on 502.57 khz  QRS 3 to start if u hear me pse call for xband 
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Dear LF enthusiasts!

My best wishes and a Happy New Year to all LF/MF enthusiasts!

TNX to all for QSOs, reports and captures of my last activity 13-14 dec!

I'll work 3-4 jan on 137 KHz band

In my plans is such:

- I'll do a beacon for the East (ZL/VK/BY/UA As...) from 1330z QRSS60
abt 137779 (sunset in KN97LN abt 1345z);

- I'll do a beacon for Northern America (if my beacon is interesting?)
from 23z QRSS60 abt 136319 (sunrise in KN97LN abt 0515z);

- 2way QSOs in CW/slow (my freq 137703) from abt 19z till abt 23z

I have very unstable Internet (GPRS) on the Machta ;-( - I can long
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73! Ed RU6LA   136.73.ru




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Dear Nicolas, Gary, LF Group,

What RX bandwidth are you using? Here I have the 250Hz CW filter configured 
as "SSB Narrow", which is removing most of the Lakihegy signal before it 
gets to the IF/audio amp/sound card. I guess if you are using full SSB 
bandwidth, overloading may be an issue.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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>
> OK Jim same version, i dont understand why i cant decode  Uwe.
> Wait and see.
>
>
> F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP
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Jim is 10 - 11dB SNR apart from the transmission at 1622 when there
was a dropout of some kind in his signal

Was about to say there's QRM on Jims signal (at 1639z), but its that
funny on-off mode, decoding to his callsign  :-)

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/25 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
> Dear LF Group,
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> I have re-started the WSPR beacon on 503.5kHz (502kHz "dial frequency"). All
> reports will be very welcome. G4JNT is still QRV - solid copy here of
> course, with SNR plus a few dB.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>


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It sounds and looks like data on 501.050 about 10db peaks above local QRN...

QSB 0-10 DB/N over several minute period..

Similar faster sigs 50hz. down..

10 second dashes with cw or data in between??

http://dx.qsl.net/propagation/propagation.html  indicates quiet...

What could this mean??

TNX

Dave @ 17






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Hi Joe and All,

nothing on the screen Joe,
best 73s
Henny cpm.

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What is the difference (for others) between beaconing and a shear 
endless QRSS CQ-call or QSO.
If that signal is S9+ and near the band centre it blocks in both 
cases a good part of the band for weak CW reception.
I do not see any good reason to transmit QRSS near 502.5kHz.

73, Rik  ON7YD

At 19:28 25/01/2009, you wrote:
>    G3KEV does not use BEACON MODE. I call CQ on 502.57 QSK QSK QSK 
> and I am always in the shack when doing so to respond to anyone 
> that breaks in. Sri Jim but you have got it WRONG.
>I use NORMAL CW but do respond to QRS 3 at times when I have no 
>other choice, certainly not my preferred mode.
>I do not operate slower than qrs3.
>de mal/g3kev
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" 
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>>Dear Andy,
>>
>>I don't think there is a formal band plan as such, but informally, data
>>modes and QRSS usually inhabit the range 503.0 - 504.0, the centre of CW
>>activity is 502.5, some stations use the 501.0 - 502.0 kHz range for beacon
>>transmission, and 502.57 is G3KEV...
>>
>>Cheers, Jim Moritz
>>73 de M0BMU
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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>>Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
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>>>Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>>
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GM LF,

 

Sorry, but I failed to re-start the grabber uploads after my WSPR session
last night.

 

Now back on.

 

73,

 

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Dear Andy, LF Group,

Oddly enough, at the time your e-mail arrived, I noticed on the WSPR display 
that your signal frequency had jumped from  503869 to 503883 Hz. It stayed 
there for 2 frames (1838, 1840utc) and during that time it did not decode. 
After that, it reverted to normal frequency, and decoded normally. The other 
signals on the spectrogram behaved normally during this time, so I'm sure 
this was nothing to do with the receiver here.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> John, G0API, has been monitoring my QRP WSPR beacon most of the afternoon,
> and getting the occasional decode at a S/N of -19dB, ie quite good.
> However, he only manages a decode about one time in 10, randomly.  The
> frequency is usually reported as ....855 instead of the ...870 it should 
> be,
> although once in a while, it reports 870 and gives a proper decode.   So 
> it
> looks as if he may have some sort of intermitetnt fault that affects
> sampling rate.
>



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XW1B active on 1832 khz at present, 500 could have potential tonite long hau=
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Thank you - I learned something today and that makes it a good day.

I knew it had nothing to do with receivers of any kind. My misconception was
since it was such a powerhouse that its signal strength was really large and
there for in a simple receiver it would, depending on QTH, simply swamp out
other signals.

Thanks again! This is new to me over here.

Doc.

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Tom,
> Selectivity was the strongest signal. Is this the "Luxemburg effect?"


   The Luxembourg effect has nothing to do with crystal sets!
The Luxembourg effect is when a very high power transmitter causes
non-linearity in the ionosphere resulting in mixing of different rado
signals. This effect was 1st observed prior to WWII on the very high
power LF transmissions from Radio Luxembourg.

73 Warren K2ORS






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Running   at 0.5 w erp

502.4 Khz , till round 0030 hrs=20

G ,,=20


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Dear Mal, LF Group,

Afraid I won't be on 136kHz tonight - the TX PSU has been temporarily 
borrowed for another project.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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MF/LF=20
For interest, nearly every diode that I have tested varies one from another=20=
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  I have found some rectifiers MBR 6045 and although these would do the job,=
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Andy,

Its possible ..  but not much in it .. im seeing you signal fine and the 
wspr waterfall is quite clean .. i was getting false decodes on the lower 
frequency, but  that was well into the noise area .. id say all is ok at the 
moment ..

G ..



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>
> Are you implying that the zone below 503.900 is not quiet ?
> Is it worth me moving to a frequency above .900 ?
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/26 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>> Jim,
>>
>> That looks to  of gone quite well , Gary has just wired me , there are 
>> some
>> new stations sending in spots to
>> the wspr data base
>>
>> only thing on the 504 signal .. the  quite zone looks to  be  only 100 hz
>> wide , from  503.9 to  504
>> but I don't see any false decodes at the moment ( 2 hours running) so the
>> splash is 'ok'
>>
>> G ..
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:46 PM
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 502.400 Dial frequency ?
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Gary,
>>>
>>> Should be fine with me - I expect someone will still be broadcasting on
>>> 252kHz tomorrow!
>>>
>>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>>> 73 de M0BMU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>



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Chris,

Great to see you're receiving Jay too, now we need the others to QSY
up and join in, to get more data.

I noice Jay you're reporting 500W - TX power NOT ERP presumably!

That must quite a nice PA for almost 100% duty cycle at that power.

I see some short deep QSB, dips lasting approx 3-4 minutes, and
relatively long periods of up to 12 minutes of good trace/solid
decodes in between.

Cheers,

John


On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:13:38 +0000
Chris McCarthy <chris.decibel@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Jay,
> 
> I will retune my RX from 502.4 to 507.0 dial freq at about 2200Z.
> Spots will be uploaded and appear at:
> http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=&sort=date
> It  be on all night.
> 
> Chris, G3XVL


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Hello John!

Nice to get a report from the Shetland Islands too. Looking forward to see a
capture or two later. Thanks for logging the QRG and as the PSU and PA seem=20=
to
take the beating from the QRSS pretty well I may even leave it running
overnight if I can arrange a simple bed in the shack.

The antenna tuning is varying only slightly now as the wire swings in the ge=
ntle
breeze. From startup the tuning drifted and the antenna current was below wh=
at I
had yesterday. After I started QRSS3 operation things changed fast and then
stabilized. On top of that the antenna current has increased from 0.7 to 1.0=
 A.
There must have been some thin frost on the insulators initially that the RF=
 has
melted, I have no other explanation for such rapid changes.

Best regards

Paul-Henrik


Quoting John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:

> On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:28:07 +0200
> Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi> wrote:
>
> > LF, Hello!
> >
> > Many thanks to all that have reported and suggested so far. I will
> > reply to you later. I'm busy setting up and perfecting things at the
> > moment :)
> >
> > New QRG as suggested by Jim: 136.35kHz
>
> Hello Paul-Henrik, LF
>
> I've been out of the shack all evening, until now, but set Spec Lab up
> to show the frequency in question earlier. I'll check the 5-minte
> captures later, but I can confirm visual ID of your callsign in QRSS,
> on a quick glance at the screen. I haven't had a chance to optimise
> Spec Lab on the new PC installation yet, so I'm going to experiment on
> your signal, if you leave it running....
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>
>




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I don't.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/18 Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>:
> mal hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Andy and the Digi Boys
>> Would it be possible to move to 1.9 mhz and upwards and leave 137 and 500
>> khz to the discerning CW radio amateurs
>> de mal/g3kev
>
> Please don't listen to Mal. I am much interested in receiving digital
> signals
> on the 137 and the 500 kHz bands. Much more interesting than boring
> dih-dah-dih.
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
>
>
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Thanks for the report Mal!

Happy to send some lower frequency signals back in return for all those rece=
ived
on 600 metres. Looks like the OH-G path is still in the same good shape it u=
sed
to be when Reino was still active on the band.

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Paul
> Good copy ere now OOO at 2048 utc have good photo
> mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:17 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
>
>
> Thanks for the screenshot Jim!
>
> Amazing, I thought it would take more to make it down there. It is good to
> be
> back on 136 after a 12 year break. My best DX back then was the Karlsborg
> expedition in Sweden (7S6SAJ)
>
> 73's
>
> Paul-Henrik
>
> Quoting James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
>
> > Dear Paul-Henrik,
> >
> > Now copying your QRSS3 - see attachment. Signal is recovering from QSB.
> >
> > Cheers, Jim Moritz
> > 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>
>
>
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And the protoype HeyPhone was tested on 73 kHz in Yorkshire.  No-one complai=
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John
F5VLF

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On 05/01/2009 at 22:22 Dave G3WCB wrote:

>Dear LF,=20
>
>Geri DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 137
>kHz a few years back.=20
>
>Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler too ;-)
>
>Follow the link below:-=20
>
>http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html
>
>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of M0FMT
>  Sent: 05 January 2009 02:37
>  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>  Subject: Re: LF: Re: Silent majority
>
>
>        Hi LF
>
>        Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for
>experimentation of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded
>for free off the Internet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a
>picture is worth a 1000 words. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would
>like to share with the world by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.  The
>result may be a bit more interesting than the shopping lists of stations
>worked, equipment lists and rig specifications that get churned out ad
>nauseam over the weekends.
>
>        I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op
>friends would feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.
>
>        No, the above suggestion is ridiculous. It does however, Einstein,
>Planck et al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum
>bandwidth for the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band?
> I will start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX
>managed with less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on this
>band then hand shaking could be introduced to ensure error free data
>transfer a bit like X25 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow
>bandwidth say 50c/s max.  We need to think outside the box and not try to
>shoe horn unsuitable modes onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co
>with all due respect to Alberto (who I admire immensely for his great
>innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT processing software) I think,  is over the
>top. Nobody is into book burning and denial of spectrum to impede progress
>but we only have 3kc/s to play with here in the UK.  I consider myself a
>=E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operator not a highflying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=
=9D radio spectrum
>quantum mechanic, but I would hope we are trying to do more with less and
>I don=E2=80=99t think Olivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and
>developed, I would expect one of the cardinal points in their
>specification, along with very narrow BW, to be compatibility with
>adjacent modes like CW and the effect on adjacent stations not running
>that particular mode.
>
>        In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills
>assuming there are any stations still interested in that form of error
>correcting narrow band data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.
>
>        Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the
>ground.
>
>        Vy 73 petefmt
>
>
>
>        --- On Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:
>
>          From: Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
>          Subject: LF: Re: Silent majority
>          To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>          Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM
>
>
>Steve McDonald wrote:
>>> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
>already
>>> taken place on MF.
>>=20
>> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now
>as
>> Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
>Wouldn't it be
>> wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently
>does.
>> What an amazing gift.
>>=20
>> VE7SL / Steve
>
>This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
>At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that
>there
>was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
>Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time,
>wrote:
>
>=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought ad=
vice
>from
>my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
>highly developed almost fully matured science... Possibly in one or another
>nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be
>examined
>and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
>theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
>for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.
>
>The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
>point of view...
>
>73  Alberto  I2PHD






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Hi Laurence, LF,

I have tried to identify the LORAN lines in your display:

GRI        freq/Hz        your dial
8390   137 777.116    777.38  (strongest)
8930   137 777.156    777.41
7430   137 779.273    779.54
9930   137 779.456    779.72  (weak)
7950   137 773.585    773.86  (very weak) (btw I never found this chain on 100 kHz)

This would mean that your frequency scale is currently reading 0.26 Hz high. For comparison, the RN3AGC and F1AFJ grabber readouts 
are fairly accurate. Thus "WPF" and "Y" do appear in China on their expected frequencies, whereas DF6NM produced only a single dash 
so far...

Thanks very much for running your receiver and grabber! We're sweating hard ;-)

Best wishes,
Markus, DF6NM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed RU6LA" <ed@dx.ru>
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Subject: LF: Re: China grabber 137.777 for tonight: RA3YO DF6NM UA4WPF


Dear LF enthusiasts and Laurence!

On http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg now (20z)
RA3YO abt 137778,5
DF6NM abt 13777,7
UA4WPF abt 13777,4
traces only

73! Ed RU6LA



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Hi Dave,

good, thanks for watching! There is currently also UA4WPF sending "W" around 136307.5. Active grabbers serving this window tonight 
are BY/KL1X  http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg, F1AFJ http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm, RN3AGC 
http://www.rn3agc.msk.ru/grabber1.shtml and my own (between dashes) http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm.

It's fun to watch the busy automatic variometer here, trying to cope with wind-induced antenna resonance variations.

Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM



----- Original Message ----- 
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QSW for DF6NM DFCW on 136.309kHz  w/capture on for the evening...


TNX de Dave @ WD2XSH/17



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ok Jay
Nil on ur freq either also listening on 7033 khz for calls USA maybe Dave. O=
n 7033 can hear a K4 STN so there is propagartion to USA
MAL

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Looking...nothing so far.

  Jay

    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    Hi Jay and Dave and MF=20
    Now qrv 502.57 khz g3kev qsk for qso's.  Gale blowing at present but not=
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    73 mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ok Jay</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Looking...nothing so far.</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Jay and Dave and MF </FONT></DIV>
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Hi all
I am getting strong traces of the wspr signals on 500 khz but only some deco=
de, obviously the system is working otherwise I would get no decoded  materi=
al at all. There also seems to be delays. I am getting vy strong traces on a=
ll of the signals, dog bone so its not lack of signal. I have set the thresh=
old input at 0 db. The computer is fast and the CPU not overloaded, perhaps=20=
the soundcard is not ideal.
Using WSJT 7
de Mal/g3kev

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am getting strong traces of the wspr sign=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Using WSJT 7</FONT></DIV>
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Good morning Victor,
Thanks it's my signal. After a long period of snow and ice i continued to bu=
ild up my LF antenna. It was just a short QRP test and i made some good proc=
ess. Looks like i get my matching issues solved. Hope to bring a much better=
 signal on air in short future.

Thanks for report
Vy73
Marco
DD7PC


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Captured 2:30z 137779.7

73
Victor


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s it's my signal. After a long period of snow and ice i continued to build u=
p my LF antenna. It was just a short QRP test and i made some good process.=20=
Looks like i get my matching issues solved. Hope to bring a much better sign=
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Hello James,
Unfortunately, I can give only argocaps.
Capture in 00.40z.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


> Dear LF Group,
> 
> Am now running the WSPR beacon again on 136.0kHz "dial frequency", 
> 137.500kHz RF out, 33% TX. I have temporarily raised the centre of the span 
> of my antenna up to 15m (return of the cherry-picker) and tweaked the 
> impedance matching a bit, so should have an extra 3-4dB of signal tonight 
> (assuming the wind doesn't get up and I have to lower it down again). Any 
> reports will be very welcome.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
>

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Dear Paul-Henrik, Dennis, LF Group,

I have been watching OH1LSQ in the gaps between my WSPR transmissions - copy 
has generally been quite good, but the signal levels are definitely down by 
several dB since last night - see attachment. So in answer to Dennis, LF 
conditions were better last night, at least for OH -> G. However, W3EEE's 
DCF39 grabber shows signal levels increased compared to last night... G3NYK 
is forecasting "good"...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 

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Ok Lubos=20

You might  find   multipsk      and   fldigi  also useful   ,  drm780  works=
 well but needs a fast pc  ,=20

rgds

Graham .=20
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From: Lubos OK2BVG=20
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:37 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: RE: LF: OLIVIA


Hello Graham, LF!
I have never tested to decode Olivia mode. But I downloaded MixW and I will=20=
try to instal and open it.
It might be interesting...

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS


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Subject: Re: LF: OLIVIA


Thanks Lubos=20

That looks like a printable signal ? do you have a decode ?

Graham .=20


From: Lubos OK2BVG=20
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Subject: LF: OLIVIA


Signal on 503kHz

Lubos, OK2BVG


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ok Lubos </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>You might&nbsp; find&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
multipsk&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and&nbsp;&nbsp; fldigi&nbsp; also=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>rgds</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Graham . </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:37 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: LF: OLIVIA</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hello Graham, LF!<BR>I have never tested to decode Olivia mod=
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But I downloaded MixW and I will try to instal and open it.<BR>It might be=20
interesting...<BR><BR>Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Thanks Lubos </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>That looks like a printable signal ? do you have a d=
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?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Signal on 503kHz<BR><BR>Lubos, OK2BVG<BR><BR>
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Hello Wolf,
I do not see why my supplier of access Internet rejects your
address! aarrrrhhhhh!!!! ## ..... gggrrrrrr!!!!!! ...... I will send
an access key to my ftp, Markus (NM) so that it sends it to
you ,
73qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

Wolfgang B=FCscher a =E9crit :
> Hi Jean-Pierre,
>
> No personal mail received yet ...
> What I tried to send you is this info about the frequency offset in=20
> your spectogram configuration:
>
> >Did you mean
> (a) the frequency offset for the spectrogram display,
> or (b) the frequency shifter in the FFT filter ?
>
> If it's (a) - see attachment. I simply entered "128k" in the "Offs"=20
> field in the main window. After 2 seconds, the frequency scale=20
> changes, and the offset is added.
> The "k" suffix means kHz here, it's the same as entering "128000" for=20
> lazy people like myself.
>
> Of course this does not affect the processing, only the display. The=20
> modified configuration is attached.   (well, *was* attached)
> <
>
> Hope the others don't mind this being sent through the reflector. My=20
> email address is blocked by Jean-Pierre's ISP.
>
>
> 73,
>  Wolf DL4YHF .
>
>
>
>

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Seems that the spambots are censoring mail to this group
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
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In essence my email said   WSPR (and QRSS)  are best at the top edge of the=20=
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My WSPR decoder  and grabber is on 24/7 so an agreed frequency is needed for=
 it to be most effective especially when I am away (a lot recently)

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Dear Wolf, LF Group,


> look mum, so many WSJT spotters. And this one from 'across the pond' ;-)
>
> 2009-01-25 21:14  M0BMU  0.503499  -26  0  IO91vr  +30  1.000  AA1A 
> FN42pb  5248  3261

Yes , excellent to see "familiar faces", and also some new calls each 
evening. I was wondering who "MICHAEL" was until Michael's e-mail...

I intend to run the beacon overnight until 0800utc or so, so please keep the 
reports coming.

I see I am also being spotted by a"K1JT" at -1dB SNR, so I guess someone has 
forgotten to update the settings on their WSPR. It really wasn't a good idea 
for Joe to use his own station details as the default!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Now dropped to 33% duty cycle - its getting busier out there.

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<div>Now dropped to 33% duty cycle - its getting busier out there.</div>
<div><br clear="all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href="http://www.g4jnt.com">www.g4jnt.com</a><br></div>

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Here Here Mal
=C2=A0
I wonder how many of these "Hi Tech" mode stations live within line of sight=
=C2=A0of another station then I think this BW hungry spread spectrum stuff w=
ould be a nightmare to that local station? Especially running as an inane be=
acon which undoubtedly will follow.
=C2=A0
I have two 600m stations with in 8miles line of sight and another 13miles ov=
er open country from me their CW is phenominally strong, a signal like Olivi=
a 8/250 would obliorate the band for me. And for what?
I asked for Morse on/off keying and very narrow FSK in my NoV application. D=
id I miss something, like asking to use DSB? Its a 3 kc/s alloction for CS!
=C2=A0
Mal you've got my vote and probably the Vote of the silent majority on the B=
and.
=C2=A0
End of RANT!!
=C2=A0
73es HNY to all LF petefmt

--- On Sun, 4/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sunday, 4 January, 2009, 10:10 AM







No change Gary, in fact I sent an amateur 2 valve bases a while back to get=20=
him going on 137 khz.
If you read my emails carefully all=C2=A0 that I am saying is that to date a=
ll modes considered there has has been no improvement over normal CW or QRS=20=
and very economical with bandwidth and signal transfer between stations.
=C2=A0
I have no objection to any mode being used as long as it does not swamp the=20=
band to the detriment of other band users. This past couple of nights one th=
ird of the available band of 3 khz has been occupied by olivia plus other da=
ta modes. ie 3 transmissions running parallel, this I do object to especiall=
y when I was having a QSO with G3XIZ and almost swamped out, however I do ha=
ve good selectivity and did manage but I think XIZ and his experimental DC r=
eceiver was having a hard time. A data transmission or any other mode using=20=
around 200 hz bandwidth would be acceptable most of the time.
To be reasonable I have one suggestion. If someone is compelled to use a 1 k=
hz wide mode then do it after say midnight for a few hours.=20
This reflecter has a big audicence and I get a considerable amounnt of priva=
te emails agreeing with observations that I am making, I also get a few that=
 disagree.
=C2=A0
As regards helping others this is going on all the time, and I frequently re=
ply to requests for advice with all=C2=A0 aspects of LF and MF=C2=A0projects=
.
I also get help, recently as a=C2=A0 result of a discussion about preamps tw=
o other amateurs reading the=C2=A0mail sent=C2=A0me the required chips at no=
 cost and likewise I do the same thing.
=C2=A0
Most radio amateurs on here do discuss or argue their=C2=A0point in a civili=
sed manner but=C2=A0you must have noticed how HOSTILE or ABUSIVE some get wh=
en their opinin=C2=A0differs from others. They lose ther plot go off at a ta=
ngent and start=C2=A0 attacking the individual putting forward a point of vi=
ew.
=C2=A0
I am not against black boxes for certain applications=C2=A0and have used the=
m in the past ie PK232 and KAM., computer systems sound cards with the appro=
priate software. I have a NOV for BBS operations GB7KEV and shifted the east=
 coast main line mail for several years into Scotland and beyond using a V/U=
HF node network and gateway also on HF for worldwide mail exchanges. Main mo=
des PACKET on V/UHF and Amtor/pactor on HF.
This business has almost gone now with the advent of Internet access for mai=
l and traffic exchanges. The black box=C2=A0is ideal for the mass transfer o=
f messages which would be a chore on CW.
I hope you now understand my point of view.
73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV
=C2=A0
=C2=A0

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Gary - G4WGT=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240



Mal,
=C2=A0
I admit, not nearly as many as you.
=C2=A0
But why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don=E2=80=
=99t do it your way it isn=E2=80=99t correct.
=C2=A0
I would be much nicer to advise & help others, don=E2=80=99t you think?
=C2=A0
I remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me & it was good advice,=
 I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?
=C2=A0
Gary =E2=80=93 G4WGT.
=C2=A0




From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner- rsgb_lf_group@black=
sheep.org ] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:48
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: QRS 240
=C2=A0

29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your score.

g3kev

=C2=A0


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Gary - G4WGT=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM

Subject: LF: RE: QRS 240

=C2=A0
LF,
=C2=A0
Oh my god, he=E2=80=99s doing it on 136KHz now !!!
=C2=A0
Gary - G4WGT.
=C2=A0




From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org ] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:22
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: QRS 240
=C2=A0

Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot !!!.Thi=
nk how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB on rhe c=
arrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1

g3kev

=C2=A0




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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"t=
op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Here Here Mal</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I wonder how many of these "Hi Tech" mode stations live within line of=20=
sight&nbsp;of another station then I think this BW hungry spread spectrum st=
uff would be a nightmare to that local station? Especially running as an ina=
ne beacon which undoubtedly will follow.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have two 600m stations with in 8miles line of sight and another 13mil=
es over open country from me their CW is phenominally strong, a signal like=20=
Olivia 8/250 would obliorate the band for me. And for what?</DIV>
<DIV>I asked for Morse on/off keying and very narrow FSK in my NoV applicati=
on. Did I miss something, like asking to use DSB? Its a 3 kc/s alloction for=
 CS!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Mal you've got my vote and probably the Vote of the silent majority on=20=
the Band.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>End of RANT!!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73es HNY to all LF petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 4/1/09, mal hamilton <=
I>&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Sub=
ject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Dat=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No change Gary, in fact I sent an amateur 2=
 valve bases a while back to get him going on 137 khz.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you read my emails carefully all&nbsp; t=
hat I am saying is that to date all modes considered there has has been no i=
mprovement over normal CW or QRS and very economical with bandwidth and sign=
al transfer between stations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have no objection to any mode being used=20=
as long as it does not swamp the band to the detriment of other band users.=20=
This past couple of nights one third of the available band of 3 khz has been=
 occupied by olivia plus other data modes. ie 3 transmissions running parall=
el, this I do object to especially when I was having a QSO with G3XIZ and al=
most swamped out, however I do have good selectivity and did manage but I th=
ink XIZ and his experimental DC receiver was having a hard time. A data tran=
smission or any other mode using around 200 hz bandwidth would be acceptable=
 most of the time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To be reasonable I have one suggestion. If=20=
someone is compelled to use a 1 khz wide mode then do it after say midnight=20=
for a few hours. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This reflecter has a big audicence and I ge=
t a considerable amounnt of private emails agreeing with observations that I=
 am making, I also get a few that disagree.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As regards helping others this is going on=20=
all the time, and I frequently reply to requests for advice with all&nbsp; a=
spects of LF and MF&nbsp;projects.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also get help, recently as a&nbsp; result=
 of a discussion about preamps two other amateurs reading the&nbsp;mail sent=
&nbsp;me the required chips at no cost and likewise I do the same thing.</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Most radio amateurs on here do discuss or a=
rgue their&nbsp;point in a civilised manner but&nbsp;you must have noticed h=
ow HOSTILE or ABUSIVE some get when their opinin&nbsp;differs from others. T=
hey lose ther plot go off at a tangent and start&nbsp; attacking the individ=
ual putting forward a point of view.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am not against black boxes for certain ap=
plications&nbsp;and have used them in the past ie PK232 and KAM., computer s=
ystems sound cards with the appropriate software. I have a NOV for BBS opera=
tions GB7KEV and shifted the east coast main line mail for several years int=
o Scotland and beyond using a V/UHF node network and gateway also on HF for=20=
worldwide mail exchanges. Main modes PACKET on V/UHF and Amtor/pactor on HF.=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This business has almost gone now with the=20=
advent of Internet access for mail and traffic exchanges. The black box&nbsp=
;is ideal for the mass transfer of messages which would be a chore on CW.</F=
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope you now understand my point of view.=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px=
; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=
=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk" target=3D_blank r=
el=3Dnofollow>Gary - G4WGT</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D_blank rel=3Dno=
follow>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:03=
 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240</DIV=
>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Mal=
,</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
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=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nb=
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=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I a=
dmit, not nearly as many as you.</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
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=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nb=
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=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But=
 why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don=E2=80=99t=20=
do it your way it isn=E2=80=99t correct.</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nb=
sp;</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I w=
ould be much nicer to advise &amp; help others, don=E2=80=99t you think?</SP=
AN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nb=
sp;</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I r=
emember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me &amp; it was good advice=
, I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?</SPAN></FO=
NT></B></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nb=
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=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gar=
y =E2=80=93 G4WGT.</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
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e=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></=
FONT></B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:own=
er- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On B=
ehalf Of </SPAN></B>mal hamilton<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sen=
t:</SPAN></B> 03 January 2009 20:48<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">=
To:</SPAN></B> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT=
: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> LF: Re: RE: QRS 240</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DEN=
-US></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your=20=
score.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">g3kev</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message ----- </SPAN></FONT></DIV></=
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<DIV>
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e=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"=
>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE=
: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g=
4wgt@tiscali.co.uk" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>Gary - G4WGT</A> </SPAN><=
/FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
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HT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A=20=
title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </SPAN=
></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
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HT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20=
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> S=
aturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
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HT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"=
> LF: RE: QRS 240</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">LF,=
</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
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=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nb=
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=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Oh=20=
my god, he=E2=80=99s doing it on 136KHz now !!!</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
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=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nb=
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=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gar=
y - G4WGT.</SPAN></FONT></B></DIV>
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Thanks for all the signals over my nighttime - excellent - Overall Im very p=
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dave
ok on 7033 on ur bug key hi

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: dave.riley3=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:03 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Howdy Mal,

  On tonight @ 22Z do you mean 502.51 or .57??

  Yes, Merv and I went through 10ghz and laser home brew together and had go=
od QSOs on each band, 10.368ghz. and 474thz.

  I was very surprized to hear of his passing...  Good man...

  As far as 2X QSO, I will be put in to the penalty box if I break the rules=
, but we could exchange 'captures' on 7033 afterwards??

  Too many rules and not enuf real work...  Scribes and Pharisees, they're e=
verywhere!!!

  Let me know, will be all eyes...

  Dave, WD2XSH/17, the little erp who can...






    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:31 PM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Dave=20
    I did not realise that you knew Merv/NC1K and engaged in cloud lazer exp=
eriments. I have know Merv for years and knew him since his G3PXB days.
    We both worked together around 1964 before he emigrated to the USA.
    He was over here a few years ago and I saw him then. Unfortunately I got=
 the news about his departure just recently.
    73 and hpe to hear from u agn and look out for me tonite on 502.51 khz s=
tarting at 2200 utc approx.
    Mal/g3kev/Scarborough

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: dave.riley3=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09 AM
      Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


      Mal,

      Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

      http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


      73s from Dave




      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: mal hamilton=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
      Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


      Jay
      Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and=
 agn 2214 utc
      It looks ok so far.
      mal
      g3kev


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>dave</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ok on 7033 on ur bug key hi</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Ddave.riley3@verizon.net     href=3D"mailto:dave.riley3@verizon.=
net">dave.riley3</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re=
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  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Howdy Mal,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>On tonight @ 22Z do you mean 502.51 or=20
  .57??</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Yes, Merv and I went through 10ghz and laser h=
ome=20
  brew&nbsp;together and had good QSOs on each band, 10.368ghz. and=20
  474thz.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>I was very surprized to hear of his passing...=
&nbsp;=20
  Good man...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>As far as 2X QSO, I will be put in to the pena=
lty=20
  box if I break the rules, but we could exchange 'captures' on 7033=20
  afterwards??</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Too many rules and not enuf real work...&nbsp;=
=20
  Scribes and Pharisees, they're everywhere!!!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Let me know, will be all=20
  eyes...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Dave, WD2XSH/17,&nbsp;the little erp who=20
  can...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV       style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: b=
lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">m=
al=20
    hamilton</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 12=
:31=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:=20=
Re: MF=20
    CONDX</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I did not realise that you knew Merv/NC=
1K and=20
    engaged in cloud lazer experiments. I have know Merv for years and knew=20=
him=20
    since his G3PXB days.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We both worked together around 1964 bef=
ore he=20
    emigrated to the USA.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He was over here a few years ago and I=20=
saw him=20
    then. Unfortunately I got the news about his departure just=20
    recently.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 and hpe to hear from u agn and look=20=
out for=20
    me tonite on 502.51 khz starting at 2200 utc approx.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal/g3kev/Scarborough</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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r: black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Ddave.riley3@verizon.net         href=3D"mailto:dave.riley3@=
verizon.net">dave.riley3</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A         title=3Drsgb_lf_=
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1:09=20
      AM</DIV>
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      CONDX</DIV>
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      <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp=
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      <DIV><BR><BR><STRONG>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: mal hamilt=
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      <BR>To: <A         href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_l=
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      <BR>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM<BR>Subject: LF: Re: Re: R=
e:=20
      Re: MF CONDX<BR><BR><BR>Jay<BR>Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qs=
b,=20
      first seen 2207 then gap and agn 2214 utc<BR>It looks ok so=20
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Dear Graham, Andy, LF Group,

Now copying G0NDB on 503.548 according to the WSPR decode window. Graham's 
signal is about S3 here.

I intend to have the beacon running overnight with the same settings, so 
let's hope for the best!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Hello Warren , LF ,

Very good copy of "XGJ" now!
Are you in qro ? or qrp ?

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj



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Now, 73kHz was a real MANs band - never worked you then, Mal.

Andy  G4JNT
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2009/1/25 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> It is reasonably easy to get going on 500 khz but 137 khz is a MAN'S  band
> and the BOYS need to catch up. There were a few active this morning on 137
> khz and I am sure if approached they would gladly help the BOYS to get going
> on LF. If my information is correct RUSTY RAZOR has been listening on LF and
> I suppose that is a start !!
> g3kev
>
>
>


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Greetings all,

Just met G3XDV on 136.7 kHz in CW - thanks Mike - , now still waiting for OE=
5 or others to become audible.

I can see traces of what may be Heinz' CW signal on the spectrogram, but not=
 sure.

No positive callsign identification in JO42FD yet.

Will keep listening for an hour or so.
QRM - mostly Luxemburg-type howling- is terrible here.

Have a nice Sunday,
 73 ,=20
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Hi Mike, Nicolas, and LF,

many thanks to both G3XDV and F4DTL for the most enjoyable QRSS / DFCW QSOs=20=
this afternoon! Thereafter, a good DFCW-3 signal was also received from RA3Y=
O.

In the morning, I could pick up a bit of aural CW activity from DK7SU (actua=
lly one of the strongest signals here), F6BWO, DK6NI, DJ1ZB (presumably) and=
 later DK1KH. DJ6GT was seen several times in QRSS.

Have a nice evening...
Markus, DF6NM

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  Subject: LF: DF6NM F4DTL


  Thanx very much Markus for this first LF contact.=20
  I hope a next contact soon.

  F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP
  http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/

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<DIV>many thanks&nbsp;to both G3XDV and&nbsp;F4DTL for the most enjoyable QR=
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  <DIV>Thanx very much&nbsp;Markus for this first LF contact.=20
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Hello LF!
I saw signal from station XGR/6 last night (507.300kHz, regular CW).=20

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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Hello LF!<br>I saw signal from station XGR/6 last night (507.300kHz, regular=
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Hello all,

I guess it all comes down to "live and let live".
While any kind of experimentation should be encouraged, one should =20
also think about the impact it could have on other band users.
But the same is valid for all other activity in our small 3kHz band.
High power QRSS transmissions (aka lazy man's CW) in the middle of the =20
band are also annoying for others, couldn't this be done near one of =20
the band edges (as on 137kHz).

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting g4gvw@aol.com:

>
>  Hi All,
> I think Mal was very nearly there with a solution to thse  =20
> problems(?) in suggesting operation after midnight (or similar).  =20
> There might be merit in accepting that all of the experimental modes =20
>  AND the established modes are valid for the purposes of  =20
> "experimentation". Acceptance of this together with a voluntary  =20
> "bandplan" that was as much TIME based as mode/frequency based could =20
>  be a sensible way forward. "TIME" slots could rotate to allow =20
> people  to "experiment" at different periods of the 24 hour cycle =20
> with  certain periods set aside as "free-for-all". One would, =20
> therefore,  also be allowing for experimentation under current =20
> conditions for  those wishing to determine the QRM-busting (or =20
> otherwise) qualities  of the various modes. A "Battle-Royal" is not =20
> the most adult way to  start off a new year and neither is it a =20
> scientific method that  would impress Ofcom or any other body of =20
> professionals.
>
> My "threepennerth" for what it's worth (hopefully more than 3 pence  =20
> worth despite our blighted currency hi hi)
>
> 73 de Pat G4GVW
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Sent: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:44
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here Here Mal
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> I wonder how many of these "Hi Tech" mode stations live within line  =20
> of sight=C2=A0of another station then I think this BW hungry spread  =20
> spectrum stuff would be a nightmare to that local station?  =20
> Especially running as an inane beacon which undoubtedly will f
> ollow.
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> I have two 600m stations with in 8miles line of sight and another  =20
> 13miles over open country from me their CW is phenominally strong, a =20
>  signal like Olivia 8/250 would obliorate the band for me. And for  =20
> what?
>
>
> I asked for Morse on/off keying and very narrow FSK in my NoV  =20
> application. Did I miss something, like asking to use DSB? Its a 3  =20
> kc/s alloction for CS!
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> Mal you've got my vote and probably the Vote of the silent majority  =20
> on the Band.
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> End of RANT!!
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> 73es HNY to all LF petefmt
>
> --- On Sun, 4/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sunday, 4 January, 2009, 10:10 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> No change Gary, in fact I sent an amateur 2 valve bases a while back =20
>  to get him going on 137 khz.
>
>
> If you read my emails carefully all=C2=A0 that I am saying is that to  =20
> date all modes considered there has has been no improvement over  =20
> normal CW or QRS and very economical with bandwidth and signal  =20
> transfer between stations.
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> I have no objection to any mode being used as long as it does not  =20
> swamp the band to the detriment of other band users. This past  =20
> couple of nights one third of the available band of 3 khz has been  =20
> occupied by olivia plus other data modes. ie 3 transmissions running =20
>  parallel, this I do object to especially when I was having a QSO  =20
> with G3XIZ and almost swamped o
> ut, however I do have good selectivity and did manage but I think  =20
> XIZ and his experimental DC receiver was having a hard time. A data  =20
> transmission or any other mode using around 200 hz bandwidth would  =20
> be acceptable most of the time.
>
>
> To be reasonable I have one suggestion. If someone is compelled to  =20
> use a 1 khz wide mode then do it after say midnight for a few hours.
>
>
> This reflecter has a big audicence and I get a considerable amounnt  =20
> of private emails agreeing with observations that I am making, I  =20
> also get a few that disagree.
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> As regards helping others this is going on all the time, and I  =20
> frequently reply to requests for advice with all=C2=A0 aspects of LF and =20=
=20
> MF=C2=A0projects.
>
>
> I also get help, recently as a=C2=A0 result of a discussion about preamps=20=
=20
>  two other amateurs reading the=C2=A0mail sent=C2=A0me the required chips=20=
at =20
> no  cost and likewise I do the same thing.
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> Most radio amateurs on here do discuss or argue their=C2=A0point in a  =20
> civilised manner but=C2=A0you must have noticed how HOSTILE or ABUSIVE  =20
> some get when their opinin=C2=A0differs from others. They lose ther plot =20=
=20
> go off at a tangent and start=C2=A0 attacking the individual putting  =20
> forward a point of view.
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> I am not against black boxes for certain applications=C2=A0and have used =20=
=20
> them in the past ie PK232 and KAM., computer systems sound cards  =20
> with the appropriate software. I have a NOV for BBS operations  =20
> GB7KEV and shifted the east coast main line mail for several years int
> o Scotland and beyond using a V/UHF node network and gateway also on =20
>  HF for worldwide mail exchanges. Main modes PACKET on V/UHF and  =20
> Amtor/pactor on HF.
>
>
> This business has almost gone now with the advent of Internet access =20
>  for mail and traffic exchanges. The black box=C2=A0is ideal for the mass=20=
=20
>  transfer of messages which would be a chore on CW.
>
>
> I hope you now understand my point of view.
>
>
> 73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: Gary - G4WGT
>
>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>
>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:03 PM
>
>
> Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mal,
>
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
>
>
> I admit, not nearly as many as you.
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> But why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they  =20
> don=E2=80=99t do it your way it isn=E2=80=99t correct.
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> I would be much nicer to advise & help others, don=E2=80=99t you think?
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> I remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me & it was good =20
>  advice, I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed,  =20
> why?
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
> Gary =E2=80=93 G4WGT.
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-  =20
> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
> Sent: 03 January 2009 20:48
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> Gary - G4WGT.
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> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-  =20
> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
> Sent: 03 January 2009 20:22
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> Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot =20
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Hello LF'ers,
capture last night in LO66PU.
RA3YO and DF6NM

73


> Hello LF'ers,
> This night UA4WPF receives in QRS120.
> Range 137.774 - 137.780 khz.
> QTH-loc LO66PU 
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> 73
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Graham, LF,

 

Decoding your Olivia transmission.

 

CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd

CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  

CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  

CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk

 

73,

 

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Cal adjustment done at 2225z - just coming up on dawn here but with the smog=
 dont think we will see much of sun today.
=20
Ill be up again tonight at my dusk for Dex on the East Coast USA run via the=
 Pacific, then Asia/Europe.
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Laurence
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OM89UA
> From: markusvester@aol.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Date: Fri, 2=
 Jan 2009 23:12:35 +0100> Subject: LF: Re: China grabber 137.777 for tonight=
> > Hi Laurence, LF,> > I have tried to identify the LORAN lines in your dis=
play:> > GRI freq/Hz your dial> 8390 137 777.116 777.38 (strongest)> 8930 13=
7 777.156 777.41> 7430 137 779.273 779.54> 9930 137 779.456 779.72 (weak)> 7=
950 137 773.585 773.86 (very weak) (btw I never found this chain on 100 kHz)=
> > This would mean that your frequency scale is currently reading 0.26 Hz h=
igh. For comparison, the RN3AGC and F1AFJ grabber readouts > are fairly accu=
rate. Thus "WPF" and "Y" do appear in China on their expected frequencies, w=
hereas DF6NM produced only a single dash > so far...> > Thanks very much for=
 running your receiver and grabber! We're sweating hard ;-)> > Best wishes,>=
 Markus, DF6NM> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed RU6LA" <ed@dx.ru>=
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:11 PM=
> Subject: LF: Re: China grabber 137.777 for tonight: RA3YO DF6NM UA4WPF> >=20=
> Dear LF enthusiasts and Laurence!> > On http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg no=
w (20z)> RA3YO abt 137778,5> DF6NM abt 13777,7> UA4WPF abt 13777,4> traces o=
nly> > 73! Ed RU6LA> >=20
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Cal adjustment done at 2225z - just coming up on dawn here but with the smog=
 dont think we will see much of sun today.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Ill be up again tonight at my dusk for Dex on the East Coast USA run via the=
 Pacific, then Asia/Europe.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence<BR>
BY3A-KL1X<BR>
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<BR><BR>&gt; From: markusvester@aol.com<BR>&gt; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org<BR>&gt; Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:12:35 +0100<BR>&gt; Subject: LF: Re: C=
hina grabber 137.777 for tonight<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Hi Laurence, LF,<BR>&gt; <=
BR>&gt; I have tried to identify the LORAN lines in your display:<BR>&gt; <B=
R>&gt; GRI freq/Hz your dial<BR>&gt; 8390 137 777.116 777.38 (strongest)<BR>=
&gt; 8930 137 777.156 777.41<BR>&gt; 7430 137 779.273 779.54<BR>&gt; 9930 13=
7 779.456 779.72 (weak)<BR>&gt; 7950 137 773.585 773.86 (very weak) (btw I n=
ever found this chain on 100 kHz)<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; This would mean that your=
 frequency scale is currently reading 0.26 Hz high. For comparison, the RN3A=
GC and F1AFJ grabber readouts <BR>&gt; are fairly accurate. Thus "WPF" and "=
Y" do appear in China on their expected frequencies, whereas DF6NM produced=20=
only a single dash <BR>&gt; so far...<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Thanks very much for=20=
running your receiver and grabber! We're sweating hard ;-)<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20=
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Hello Michel , Uwe ,
Nothing here in JN06HT
73 Jean-Pierre f1afj

Michel F5WK a =E9crit :
> Hallo Uwe,
>
> Decoded so far:
>
> 1656 -27  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1700 -26  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1704 -25  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1708 -25  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1712 -28  1.7   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1716 -28  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1720 -28  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1724 -29  1.7   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1728 -29  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1732 -26  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1736 -27  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1740 -27  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1744 -27  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1752 -27  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1804 -23  1.7   0.135976  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1808 -25  1.5   0.135976  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1812 -24  1.4   0.135976  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1816 -24  1.6   0.135976  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1820 -24  1.7   0.135976  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1824 -25  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1828 -26  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1832 -24  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1836 -23  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1840 -24  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1844 -26  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1848 -26  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1852 -28  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1856 -27  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1900 -27  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1904 -26  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1908 -27  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1912 -28  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1916 -24  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1920 -25  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1924 -27  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1928 -24  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1932 -24  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1936 -26  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1940 -27  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1944 -25  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1948 -26  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 1952 -29  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2000 -28  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2008 -27  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2012 -27  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2016 -30  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2020 -28  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2036 -29  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2040 -28  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2044 -26  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2048 -24  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2052 -26  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2056 -29  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2100 -30  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2104 -29  1.1   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2108 -31  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2112 -24  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2116 -26  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2124 -29  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2128 -23  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2132 -25  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2136 -26  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2140 -31  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
> 2144 -27  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
>
> 73,
>
> Michel / f5wk
>
>
>
>
>
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Gary..

Must be a dx version of wspr=20

I think its a combination of the mother board , old  isa/pci/agp   p111  1.1=
 ghz and may be the 'new to  me' sound card ..
just checked and no decodes to night off air ....my tx power is about 5 to 7=
 watts at the moment=20

the glitches appear to  be from the soundcard , but where the same with the=20=
old card ..may be irq problem with old board
running xp-pro .

G ..=20


From: Gary - G4WGT=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:58 PM
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Subject: LF: WSPR - G0NBD


Hi LF,

=20

Interesting observation.

=20

Tonight up to now I have only had one decode from Graham's WSPR & that was w=
hen I had a high level of broadband noise here masking the signal.

=20

I have just inserted some attenuation into the Rx antenna input so there is=20=
no S meter movement on the signal. Now it appears to decode each time.

=20

73,

=20

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

=20



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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Gary..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Must be a dx version of wspr </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I think its a combination of the mother boa=
rd ,=20
old&nbsp; isa/pci/agp &nbsp; p111&nbsp; 1.1 ghz and may be the 'new to&nbsp;=
 me'=20
sound card ..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>just checked and no decodes to night off ai=
r ....my=20
tx power is about 5 to 7 watts at the moment </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>the glitches appear to&nbsp; be from the so=
undcard=20
, but where the same with the old card ..may be irq problem with old=20
board</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>running xp-pro .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>G .. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A   title=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tis=
cali.co.uk&#10;CTRL + Click to follow link"   href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.c=
o.uk">Gary - G4WGT</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:58 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org   href=3D"mailto:rsg=
b_lf_group@blacksheep.org">LF -RSGB LF Group</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: WSPR - G0NBD</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-FA=
MILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Hi=20
LF,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-FA=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-FA=
MILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Interesting=20
observation.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-FA=
MILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></F=
ONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-FA=
MILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Tonight up to now=20
I have only had one decode from Graham=92s WSPR &amp; that was when I had a=20=
high=20
level of broadband noise here masking the=20
signal.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-FA=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=3D"FONT-FA=
MILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">I have just=20
inserted some attenuation into the Rx antenna input so there is no S meter=20
movement on the signal. Now it appears to decode each=20
time.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   style=
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Uwe,

Nice signal right now.

Capture at -20 dB SNR

2152 -20  1.1   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43


Michel, f5wk

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=20
Same problem here Uwe
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Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 09/01/2009 22:19:06 Paris, Madrid, =20
g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk a =E9crit :

Uwe,

Which WSPR version are you using Beacon or QSO?
I only  have Beacon version at the moment & no decodes here.

73
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<DIV>Same problem here Uwe</DIV>
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<DIV>F4DTL JN18FP</DIV>
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<DIV>Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 09/01/2009 22:19:06 Paris, Madrid,=20
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  have Beacon version at the moment &amp; no decodes here.<BR><BR>73<BR>Gary=
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Willem De Roode schrieb:
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Tnx Laurance
Will try when dx condx improve.
73 mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:05 PM
  Subject: RE: LF: 137 NIL


  Mal - as ever its when I should be sleeping (like now) - from your dusk ti=
ll my dawn. Dawn here is around 2315z at the moment. Im getting UA4WPF on 13=
7.78037 and 137.78045 DFCW appx coming thru well at the moment. Give me a wi=
ndow and ill move down there, though long haul isnt that bright DCF39 being=20=
-78 at the moment..
  =20
  Laurence=20



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  Subject: Re: LF: 137 NIL



  Laurence
  What is the best time for u to llsn for UK es EU. I will be QRV on 137.0 k=
hz later qrs3.
  73 de mal/g3kev

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:26 PM
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    I returned the Eastern China Grabber back to 137/500 at local dusk - it=20=
resides on 30m Knights during the day save when it gets used for work. Prett=
y quiet tonight s/n wise loads of lines to be seen. Its 1316z and both DCF39=
 and Budapest 135.43 are just audible.
    =20
    It will be and off for a little while whilst Im doing some NDB calibrati=
on for a couple of vessels in the Yellow and Bohai Seas.
    =20
    =20
    Laurence BY3A/Kl1X
    http://kl1x.com
    =20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Tnx Laurance</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Will try when dx condx improve.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>Mal - as ever its when I should be sleeping (like now) - fr=
om=20
  your dusk till my dawn. Dawn here is around 2315z at the moment. Im gettin=
g=20
  UA4WPF on 137.78037 and 137.78045 DFCW appx coming thru well at the moment=
.=20
  Give me a window and ill move down there, though long haul isnt that brigh=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Laurence</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>What is the best time for u to llsn for UK es EU.=20=
I will=20
  be QRV on 137.0 khz later qrs3.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>73 de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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Hello LFers,

I've updated my webpage to include an Argo shot taken by Jerry Sharp,
located in Longmont, Colorado, USA.  It's the best DX I've had so far
with my Lowfer beacon "EAR", at over 1200 miles!  Not bad for one
watt into a tiny antenna.  Have a look at:

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle

There's a few pix of my 3 KVA Tesla coil there as well.  It would put
a big signal on the air if I connected an antenna to it!

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle




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Graham,

I see a lot of spikes on the WSPR trace with SpecLab, maybe that is causing
poor decode. I have only one so far at 2144z.

Gary - G4WGT.


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Back on  .. testing  decodes  .. still not 100 sure what the problem is

tnx- G ..

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>
> Hi all ,,, dont know what was happening last night .. re decodes
>
> Running wspr at 10 watts to  ae
>
> 502.4 KHz usb
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> Tnx- G ..
>
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Hi Gus,

I cannot find that info in my limited docs...

I am RX only so far.  I think that you can use VOX for TX control...

Will be QRV for you...

Dave


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  Hi all,

  any who know abt RS232 and WSPR!=20


  can WSPR program accept "DTR" as interface power from RS 232 port ?


  73 de Gus SM6BHZ

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  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4>Hi all,</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D4></FONT></EM></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Tnx Uwe
I must try this method. If u have some info about setting it up let me know 
and what version of speclab
73 mal/g3kev

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> Hi Mal,
>
> pse see also
>
> http://home.versanet.de/~uwe-jannsen/two.htm
>
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx
>
>
>
> Zitat von mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
>> LF/MF
>> I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using
>> two loops. Loop A is 40 metres perimeter vertical orientation, Loop B
>> is 190 metres perimeter also vertical.  Both loops optimum E/W.
>> I am using two receivers in this experiment Ant A to Siemens D2155
>> level meter, BW 20 Hz and vy stable, Ant B to Datong up converter and
>> IC746 250 Hz BW. Both audio outputs to soundcard/ARGO display
>> allowing 50 hz separation for observation.
>> Observing DI2AM at present and having calibrared this signal on both
>> RX outputs at a point in time, both signals are fairly constant but
>> more variations have been observed on Ant A - 40m loop, the signal
>> surges in strength and then fades down, whereas Ant B has a more
>> constant output with less fade.
>> More time is needed for a proper assessment and DI2AM is also a
>> strong signal. I would need a few long haul signals for a proper test
>> like Russian or USA .
>> Interested in MF signals at present.
>> This method would also work with a couple of small loops or a loop
>> and probe type antenna, then at a glance one would know how each was
>> performing, of course with the loop in the optimum direction for
>> target signal.
>>
>> This is just a simple setup, it works well and no audio cross mod
>> noticed, nice clean signals on display in spite of the fact that the
>> separation is only 50hz.
>> A nice balanced mixer would be a more sophisticated approach, that
>> might come later.
>>
>> 73 mal/g3kev
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


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Running  data mode , DominoF and olivia  8x250  , wspr=20
power about 20  watts per mode ..tx set started  1630

502 khz - usb

using  two multipsk in beacon mode , frequencies  centre marker , wspr tone=20=
1550 hz=20

Dominof    1300 hz
olivia        900 hz
wspr         1550 hz (33% tx)

Never used the Domino system , looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250=20
same 3 lines of text for each.

Due to  tr switching problems , no rx=20

Graham
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sp;&nbsp;1300 hz</FONT></DIV>
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;900=20
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(33% tx)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Never used the Domino sy=
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looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250 </FONT></DIV>
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Hello Jim,

Are you receiving on 137.5 kHz in WSPR too ?
I'd like to test from DF0WD, and compare the SNR levels with what I 
receive from you.
Just about to leave for the club station now; I don't know if the 
internet access there is still working, so may not be able to respond 
via the reflector.

Hope to be QRV around 09:30 UTC.

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capture YO
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Hi LF
Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experimentation=20=
of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off the Int=
ernet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a 1000 w=
ords. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the world=
 by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.=C2=A0 The result may be a bit more i=
nteresting than the shopping lists of stations worked, equipment lists and r=
ig specifications that get churned out ad nauseam over the weekends.
I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op friends wo=
uld feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.
No, the above suggestion is ridiculous. It does however, Einstein, Planck et=
 al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum bandwidth for=
 the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band? =C2=A0I will s=
tart the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed with=20=
less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then hand=20=
shaking could be introduced to ensure error free data transfer a bit like X2=
5 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max. =C2=
=A0We need to think outside the box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable mode=
s onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co with all due respect to Alber=
to (who I admire immensely for his great innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT proc=
essing software) I think, =C2=A0is over the top. Nobody is into book burning=
 and denial of spectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play wi=
th here in the UK. =C2=A0I consider myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operato=
r not a
 highflying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D radio spectrum quantum mechanic, but=20=
I would hope we are trying to do more with less and I don=E2=80=99t think Ol=
ivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I would expec=
t one of the cardinal points in their specification, along with very narrow=20=
BW, to be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the effect on adjace=
nt stations not running that particular mode.
In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming there a=
re any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narrow ban=
d data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.
Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground.
Vy 73 petefmt

--- On Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:

From: Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
Subject: LF: Re: Silent majority
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM

Steve McDonald wrote:
>> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
>> taken place on MF.
>=20
> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
> Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
> wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
> What an amazing gift.
>=20
> VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD







     =20

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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"t=
op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 1=
0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri size=3D3>Hi LF</FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experiment=
ation of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off t=
he Internet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a=20=
1000 words. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the=
 world by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: ye=
s">&nbsp; </SPAN>The result may be a bit more interesting than the shopping=20=
lists of stations worked, equipment lists and rig specifications that get ch=
urned out </FONT><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT:=20=
115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">ad nauseam</SPAN><FONT face=3DCalib=
ri size=3D3> over the weekends.</FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op frie=
nds would feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.</FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3><U>No, the above suggestion is ridiculous.</U> It does however, Einste=
in, Planck et al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum=20=
bandwidth for the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band? <=
SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>I will start the ball rolling=20=
by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed with less than 32c/s BW. Si=
nce there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then hand shaking could be intro=
duced to ensure error free data transfer a bit like X25 slow but sure yet co=
nfined in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max. <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun=
: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>We need to think outside the box and not try to shoe hor=
n unsuitable modes onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co with all due=
 respect to Alberto (who I admire immensely for his great innovations with D=
SP, SDR, FFT processing software) I think, <SPAN   style=3D"mso-spacerun: ye=
s">&nbsp;</SPAN>is over the top. Nobody is into book burning and denial of s=
pectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play with here in the U=
K. <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>I consider myself a =E2=
=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operator not a highflying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D ra=
dio spectrum quantum mechanic, but I would hope we are trying to do more wit=
h less and I don=E2=80=99t think Olivia is the answer. Whatever modes are pr=
oposed and developed, I would expect one of the cardinal points in their spe=
cification, along with very narrow BW, to be compatibility with adjacent mod=
es like CW and the effect on adjacent stations not running that particular m=
ode.</FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming t=
here are any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narr=
ow band data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.</FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground=
.</FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Vy 73 petefmt</FONT></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Be=
ne <I>&lt;dibene@usa.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: Alberto di Bene &lt;dibene@usa.net&gt;<BR>Subject=
: LF: Re: Silent majority<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Monda=
y, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Steve McDonald wrote:
&gt;&gt; There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
&gt;&gt; taken place on MF.
&gt;=20
&gt; There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now=
 as
&gt; Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
&gt; wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently do=
es.
&gt; What an amazing gift.
&gt;=20
&gt; VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>


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Dear Andy,

I don't think there is a formal band plan as such, but informally, data 
modes and QRSS usually inhabit the range 503.0 - 504.0, the centre of CW 
activity is 502.5, some stations use the 501.0 - 502.0 kHz range for beacon 
transmission, and 502.57 is G3KEV...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band? 



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CHANGE OF MODE

DOMINOEX  - AS OF  1745 HRS

TNX- G=20


From: Graham=20
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Subject: LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late=20



Running  data mode , DominoF and olivia  8x250  , wspr=20
power about 20  watts per mode ..tx set started  1630

502 khz - usb

using  two multipsk in beacon mode , frequencies  centre marker , wspr tone=20=
1550 hz=20

Dominof    1300 hz
olivia        900 hz
wspr         1550 hz (33% tx)

Never used the Domino system , looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250=20
same 3 lines of text for each.

Due to  tr switching problems , no rx=20

Graham
G0NBD
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<DIV>CHANGE OF MODE</DIV>
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<DIV>DOMINOEX&nbsp; - AS OF&nbsp; 1745 HRS</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late=20
</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Running&nbsp; data mode=20=
,=20
DominoF and olivia&nbsp; 8x250&nbsp; , wspr </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>power about 20&nbsp; wat=
ts per=20
mode ..tx set started&nbsp; 1630</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>502 khz - usb</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>using&nbsp; two multipsk=
 in=20
beacon mode , frequencies&nbsp; centre marker , wspr tone 1550 hz </FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>Dominof&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;1300 hz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>olivia&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;900=20
hz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>wspr&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1550 hz=20
(33% tx)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Never used the Domino sy=
stem ,=20
looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>same 3 lines of text for=
=20
each.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Due to&nbsp; tr switchin=
g=20
problems , no rx </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Graham</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>G0NBD</FONT></DIV>
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -=20
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


Ok Gary,

Thats the first odd report hihi ...psk was not supposed to be better .......
! doesn't look well for decodes at range .. i will try and add a few more
watts ..

are you running  x 3 multipsk at once ? the beacon text is :-

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk

Tnx - G ..



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From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:37 PM
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Subject: LF: RE: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON -
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Graham, LF,
>
> OK all copied here at varying percentages.
>
> MFSK8
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ea dKt  tp r=A2i=FAiik1kE Keonoe
> x'!etiwB Fa=F8oit"0i=FCTelt !cgne=CAW=A5 Dr gf ! la(  i:a =BEd=F5ie.Yp  a.=
t=A2 P=20
> ntiae=8Fyt
> rl k =A2gt s CDdo   bd
> CQ CQ V) DE...g0abd   8=A9x  ag0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ ..=B1t=DFnbd  g0n!d  g0nbw kkk =C4& =C4jt  =F6=CE  E.xg0nbd  g0nb=
d  g0nbd
> CQ CQ Jd  t E...g0nbd  yz0nbd   C=A9oLQ CQ DE.n ki=B1ngS =A7/  g0P%iKhk er=
 xu5ui
> i=B9a tyfbhttaq=3D  ih=C4iod  elmha n n E=A1tdi=A2nbeeue Ntotm=E2eNRxeca
>
> PSK31
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Olivia 8 x 250
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbj<"g0nbd  kkk z34QU
> @DK   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQXs[ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk Q cY9L,'6   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd
> g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  0}^)  g0nbd
> CQ C1@#Q DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk H1R7Y
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING=20
> NOW
> - 1615 HRS
>
> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in=20
> parallel
>
> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running=20
> on
>
> the same pc in beacon mode
>
> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference=20
> signal
> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>
> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>
> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>
> Running  3 mode beacon
>
> Dial set   502 khz usb
>
> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>
> 1250 hz   psk31
>
> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>
> Reports  welcome
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
> Io83LK
>
>
>
>
>



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TIME ! =3D 1945 =3D =20

Power approx  25 watts per mode =3D 50 mW erp per mode=20

tnx- G ..=20


From: Graham=20
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:48 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: LF: Dominof olivia 8x250 Mode change DominoEX 1745 hrs


CHANGE OF MODE

DOMINOEX  - AS OF  1745 HRS

TNX- G=20


From: Graham=20
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:52 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late=20



Running  data mode , DominoF and olivia  8x250  , wspr=20
power about 20  watts per mode ..tx set started  1630

502 khz - usb

using  two multipsk in beacon mode , frequencies  centre marker , wspr tone=20=
1550 hz=20

Dominof    1300 hz
olivia        900 hz
wspr         1550 hz (33% tx)

Never used the Domino system , looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250=20
same 3 lines of text for each.

Due to  tr switching problems , no rx=20

Graham
G0NBD
IO83LK=20




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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:48 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: Dominof olivia 8x250 Mode change DominoEX 1745=20
hrs</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>CHANGE OF MODE</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>DOMINOEX&nbsp; - AS OF&nbsp; 1745 HRS</DIV>
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zk.fsnet.co.uk&#10;CTRL + Click to follow link"   href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk=
.fsnet.co.uk">Graham</A> </DIV>
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b_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late=20
</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Running&nbsp; data mode=20=
,=20
DominoF and olivia&nbsp; 8x250&nbsp; , wspr </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>power about 20&nbsp; wat=
ts per=20
mode ..tx set started&nbsp; 1630</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>502 khz - usb</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>using&nbsp; two multipsk=
 in=20
beacon mode , frequencies&nbsp; centre marker , wspr tone 1550 hz </FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>Dominof&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;1300 hz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>olivia&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;900=20
hz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>wspr&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1550 hz=20
(33% tx)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Never used the Domino sy=
stem ,=20
looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>same 3 lines of text for=
=20
each.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Due to&nbsp; tr switchin=
g=20
problems , no rx </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Graham</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>G0NBD</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>IO83LK </FONT></DIV>
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Hello Jean-Pierre,

> What "O" on 137778.35 ???

Dmitry RA3YO


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Decodes from M0BMU and G0NBD.

2356 -23  1.2   0.503547  0 G0NBD IO83 27
2358  -3  0.1   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30
0004  -6  3.3   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30
0008 -25  1.3   0.503547  0 G0NBD IO83 27

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Graham
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Subject: Re: LF: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight


Jim,

Running 50 watts to the array, that's about 100mW erp

assume your at 1 w ?

G

Nb- tnx all for reports



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From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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>
> Dear Graham, Andy, LF Group,
>
> Now copying G0NDB on 503.548 according to the WSPR decode window. Graham's
> signal is about S3 here.
>
> I intend to have the beacon running overnight with the same settings, so
> let's hope for the best!
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>



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>




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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:30:06 -0000
"mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

> Tonight another episode of transmissions taking up about 1 khz of
> spectrum in a 3 khz allocation.
> I think the time has come to ask OFCOM for their opinion. These are
> not experimental transmissions,  just established modes generating
> QRM to the rest of the 500 khz community



Mal,

Of course, as usual, you are wrong.

These OLIVIA/MFSK experiments are trying to establish the relative
performance of various coding and modulation schemes on a band that
hitherto has been dominated by high power manual telegraphy.

If any mode can be considered to be an "established mode" it's your
beloved CW.

The flurry of interest and activity when a new datamode it tested is in
stark contrast to, as you frequently decry, the low level of CW useage.

The datmode experimenters are using the band for the purpose it was
released by OFCOM, experimantation. OFCOM aren't going to care if an
experiment uses the full 3kHz, if that's what it takes to generate
useful data for those involved. If you can't find anywhere to send your
repetetive "CQ CQ CQ QSK QSX 3533" beacon transmissions then that's a
small price to pay. More people are gaining useful insights, which is
the purpose of the exercise.

You, it could be said, are trying to use 500kHz as a "normal" amateur
band with inane "599  = QRU = 73" QSOs intended to show no scientific
value or "self learning" whatsoever.

If you don't like it - then go elsewhere, leave the true experimentation
to those more capable.





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Dear Graham, LF Group,

I think the sensible thing to do would be to try it for a while, and see if 
people report problems.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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Subject: LF: WSPR 502.400 Dial frequency ?


>
> Are we to  adopt  502.400 Hz  USB dial frequency for WSPR ?
> With  1500 Hz audio centre band tone.



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Jim et al,

you're visible here also at -18 dB.

The band is fairly quiet tonight. Twice for a few minutes around 23:23 and 23:33, there were strong Luxembourg sideband carriers 
simultaneously on both HGA and DCF. They were apparently caused by a 1054 Hz sinusoidal modulation test tone (sidebands at 136.484, 
75 uV/m and 137.776 kHz, 13 uV/m). There was also a -20 dB second harmonic component (137.538, 6 uV/m and 136.722, 1.5 uV/m), due to 
the square-law charasteristic of the heating effect.

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Hello LF!
Good signal from WD2XKO, but I am able see only traces of it. Signal from RA=
3YO is 25dB above noise (and 0.6Hz above XKO) and destroy XKO signal on my m=
onitor - as you can see on the picture. It is something new on T/A freq. Tra=
nsmitting in Europe when it is good time for W stations.=20

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How about that? 

- simultaneous decodes from Jim and Markus!


233159   8  -1  1.8   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
233959   5   0  1.6   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
234559   7   5  1.6   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
234559   1 -24  3.4    59  0  DF6NM JN59 23  

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM  
     
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Copy from Jim, but not Markus :-(

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Hello Markus,
Many thanks! Samplerate my sound card 96 khz, deviation 14 hz. I have tried all possible variants
of reception which were advised to me by you and other participants rsgb-reflector. But the positive
result is not present. Tried to accept also program WSJT7. And I with pleasure would try to change
the sound card, but I work with a laptop. I stop attempts of reception WSPR until then when there
will be a possibility to experiment with other computer.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV



> Hi Andrey,
>
> this has been mentioned before - have you checked your ADC samplerate? See http://www.wsprnet.org/drupal/node/339. If tx and rx
> samplerate deviated by say only 0.3% (ie. 36 Hz from 12 kHz), the bit timing would have shifted by half a symbol duration at the 
> end
> of the 162 bit message. I started having doubts about my own DAC rate when Graham reported negative decoding, but the TX audio
> frequency seems to be correct to within a fraction of a Hz. You could roughly check the rx samplerate by injecting a known 1.5 
> kHz
> tone and use WSPR spectrogram which resolves ~ 0.1%. Regarding other digital modes, I recall that samplerate was very critical 
> for
> WOLF which relies on a coherent bit frame over a long integration period. On the other hand, it's not much of an issue for PSK31
> which is "freerunning" only for a few symbols.
>
> The maximum tolerable PC clock error between tx and rx seems to be 2.2 seconds. This was the last displayed dt offset before I 
> lost
> track of Jim's consistent signal the other morning. My PC clock is slightly slow and would need resetting more often. But you
> mentioned you have that under tight control.
>
> The WSPR program does not seem to be disturbed or overloaded by strong out-of band signals. Inserting a 200 Hz filter before the
> decoder made no difference at all, even though the total audio power was reduced by 20 or 30 dB. I also did not see any 
> degradation
> when I used very low audio levels. The WSPR spectrogram seems to have a display leveling similar to the Argo AGC option, as the
> colours do not change when the audio gain is varied.
>
> Best wishes
> Markus, DF6NM
>
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> From: "Andrey rn3agc" <rn3agc@mail.ru>
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> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:56 PM
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>
>
> Hello Johan, James, LF,
> Many thanks for the help! Yesterday WSPR-signal DF6NM
> passed here from time to time much more strongly, than the day
> before yesterday. But decoding still was not. I have installed WSJT7.
> If again the result is negative, the problem most likely in a sound card
> means. Though to this case without problems decoded any amateur
> digital protocols.
>
> 73
> Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV
>
>
> 



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Hello Victor , Dex  and LF ,

Yes ! WD2XKO visible on the grabber 23:00>08:00  no-stop !!!! (EM95tg >=20
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We three seem to have met a wayfaring signal last night on 502400 dial, 
namely on 503980+/-

Near the top part of the bandpass window was a fairly strong sig that caused 
false decodes and uploads which would appear to have come from LN20. Not 
likely...
It was the ID sideband of a NDB station with a carrier on 505 which covers 
most of the Atlantic seaboard with the ID of NEED.
QRN did not let up last night for more copy from across the pond. Am working 
on that.

Gudday from Dave @ FN42pb





----- Original Message ----- 
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>I too saw a quite strong signal last night which didn't decode. It was 
>around
> 503.97 kHz and almost as strong as M0BMU, who was perfectly audible most 
> of the
> time. There was no "banana effect" on the waterfall so it was stable 
> enough. I'd
> guess problem is caused by a soundcard sampling frequency error.
>
> 73
> Johan SM6LKM
>
> ----
>
> John P-G wrote:
>> I see others reporting inconsistent decodes of you on the chat page at
>> WSPRnet, so it's not just me.
>
> 



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TNX Jim, I'm all ears and ARGO


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dear Dave, LF Group
>
> That is DCF39, a utility in DL, with around 40kW ERP. It is quite a good 
> indicator for trans-atlantic propagation. The breaks are short bursts of 
> FSK data.
>
> The best QRG depends on what you want to collect. DF6NM is operating DFCW 
> on about 136.309kHz at the moment. I will probably be running the WSPR 
> beacon again in a few minutes on 137.5kHz. Other frequencies/modes can be 
> arranged...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
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> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:19 PM
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>
>
> I have a sig ( carrier with quick break ) on 138.830 ( dcf39??) that is 
> 30db above my noise and it keys a carrier with a break about every 10 
> seconds with occasional short breaks, something like NIST on 60kc. but 
> slower...
>
> What do I have??
>
> Where is best QRG for collecting EU ham sigs??
>
>
>
> TNX
>
> Dave - WD2XSH/17
>
>
> 



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Hi Joe and All,
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Hello Jim,
Big signal here -8db, audible:
221400   8 -15  1.0    10  0  M0BMU IO91 30       =20
221600   0 -30 -3.8    87  3                      =20
222000   0 -27  5.6    72  1                      =20
222200   7  -8  1.0    10  0  M0BMU IO91 30

vy73
Marco
DD7PC

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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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<mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> ] On Behalf Of James Moritz
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To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight

Dear LF Group,

I plan to operate the WSPR beacon again on 503.51kHz +/- RF (0.502MHz
"dial
frequency") from around 2200utc. Any reports would be very welcome.  The
TX will be on 33% duty cycle, so if anyone else wants to join in, I
should be able to give reports too.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DVerdana>Hello Jim,<BR>Big signal here -8db,=20
audible:<BR>221400&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 -15&nbsp; 1.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 10&nbsp;=20
0&nbsp; M0BMU IO91=20
30&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>221600&nbsp;&nbsp; 0 -=
30=20
-3.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 87&nbsp;=20
3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>222000&nb=
sp;&nbsp;=20
0 -27&nbsp; 5.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 72&nbsp;=20
1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>222200&nb=
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7&nbsp; <STRONG><FONT color=3D#ff0000>-8</FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;=20
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30<BR><BR>vy73<BR>Marco<BR>DD7PC<BR><BR></FONT>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [</FONT><A  href=
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Behalf Of James Moritz<BR>Sent: 07 January 2009 21:34<BR>To:=20
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Subject: LF: WSPR Beacon 503.5=20
tonight<BR><BR>Dear LF Group,<BR><BR>I plan to operate the WSPR beacon again=
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503.51kHz +/- RF (0.502MHz "dial<BR>frequency") from around 2200utc. Any rep=
orts=20
would be very welcome.&nbsp; The TX will be on 33% duty cycle, so if anyone=20=
else=20
wants to join in, I should be able to give reports too.<BR><BR>Cheers, Jim=20
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Dear LF Group,

The M0BMU WSPR beacon went QRT just after 0900utc. Many thanks for all the 
reports; for last night, so far this includes G3WCB, G3XVL, G3RMD, GM4ISM, 
M0LMH, NL9222, F4DTL, F4EMV, F5WK, SQ7MPJ, TF3HZ and I2PHD - I think thats 
it!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Good morning Henny,
as Andrey wrote yes it was my transmission.
Many thanks for your report.=20
=20
vy73
Marco
DD7PC, JN49ax
=20
(ZL1BPU Exciter, G0MRF Mosfet PA, 34m wire (7m vertical, 27m horizontal,
8m above ground), 150W input)

  _____ =20

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of henny van elst
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Hi All,
capture 137khz DD7?
Hnny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
verzonden:
DD7 28-01.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen
virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet
toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt
weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.=20

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ial  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>as Andrey wrote yes it was my=20
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ial  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>DD7PC, JN49ax</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D215282909-29012009><FONT face=3DAr=
ial  color=3D#0000ff size=3D1>(ZL1BPU Exciter, G0MRF Mosfet PA, 34m wire (7m=
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27m horizontal, 8m above ground), 150W input)</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>capture 137khz DD7?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hnny pa3cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het=20=
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=20
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I wondered that too. 2200 meters is a mess of Loran and other strange
signals over here also. maybe we all should push for some new
Experimental space down there and later get it turned into an Amateur
Band???<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
WE0H<br>
/16<br>
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Jim wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:D86D53D70918451BBC580D8F5BF0EDAF@JimPC"   type="cite">Dear Mal, LF Group,
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I don't know... but it was probably the same as the reason for which
the 73kHz band was withdrawn at about the same time that all the
utilities which had been operating inside or near that part of the
spectrum were decomissioned ;-)
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Cheers, Jim Moritz
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73 de M0BMU
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Mal wrote:<br>
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Does anyone know why 137 khz was chosen as an amateur allocation, in
that freq area it is the most polluted part, clobbered at both ends by
commercial high power transmitters... <br>
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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
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Andy,

Just checked, each system is round 45 watts peak , showing 90 to  100 watts=20
peak o/p when olivia and mfsk  running , peak hight not changed .. just=20
under the exciter alc limit ... amazing just  how much more power  these=20
multi tone systems  consum

I stopped the psk31 stream early on as Gary was reporting miss prints ..=20
might of pushed the sound card a bit close to the edge .. rf looked ok but=20
hard to  tell looking at the spectrum plot

getting a good 2 tone test pattern off olivia , which is maintained when=20
mfsk runs , pa is only running 50% peak o/p

tnx for the observations and posts

G ...

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From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:33 PM
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RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Looks like 200Hz and 250Hz to me - looking at three spectrograms, amd
> not even properly filling the spaces in between fully.  So occupied
> bandwidth is less than spread.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>> Its not a few hundred hertz it is SEVERAL hundred hertz.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot"=20
>> <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>
>>
>> I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
>> throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
>> important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
>> particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
>> getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
>> but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
>> poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.
>>
>> So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
>> over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
>> fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
>> much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
>> QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>>
>>> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
>>> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
>>> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot"
>>> <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
>>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>>
>>>
>>>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>>>
>>>> OLIVIA :
>>>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>>>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<=
Uq
>>>> 8
>>>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>>>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>>>> gnbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>>>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0n=
bd
>>>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MFSK8
>>>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  =D9*BwkiroN9 -in=F0?Sd=DB4=BFhIa lr
>>>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog  rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez;  uETqioB Vae   n Ct W
>>>> amSdeMe=D4dYbV*=C5=AD  ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq =BCeeawi=
 i
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>>>> a I=A4narLx=FDikc igq'<anel6
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>>>> tt=A3h,iFtI=BCv lre=A6eek=FAn =80i z=E0=C2UP nve =BD=F9I t$   : nNe t =20=
lro&"t l=D6
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pAbd  g0nbd
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>>>> kD kk e e0enm o=A7 HbecOgh=C9o  eno fsewtit,es m=CCx=AAoitn 'Xei eaer=
=FEii
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>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk rBt=F28e=E6 t=B6=ADknmm)mL   io=20=
4Eek a
>>>> oiiqa  o zt eoun cKldd=F98 =B0o9aZnz=E5ee  1  =B9tlTtii0q=3Di ielsaa nu=
 0 mPn=FA=FFK
>>>> =B3S=A2 iwX=E4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=E2pg H Jant0n9=A8j=B7eoet n
>>>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=F4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>>>> a=B1 rotet a=DC Foe2_vl=A7ms=ED t=CCk  t=3D l=C5 edCQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd=20=
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>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =AB=F2ee
>>>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>>>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>>>
>>>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Gary
I am worried because I cannot see your 137 khz grabber. I worked F6BWO earli=
er today on LF cw so I know all is well, but there is not a LF grabber in si=
ght at present, even the Russians are QRT.
LF/MF is looking grim at present.
Mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:10 PM
  Subject: LF: RE: LOW ACTY LF/MF


  Mal,

  =20

  You had me worried there! I thought my grabbers were not operating but I j=
ust checked & yes they are running OK at :-

  =20

  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html

  =20

  and

  =20

  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html

  =20

  Cheers,

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT.

  =20


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  Subject: LF: LOW ACTY LF/MF

  =20

  Acty vy low at present on LF/MF considering we are in the middle of Winter=
 and the DX season.

  Even the GRABBERS have gone QRT !!!!

  de mal/g3kev

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gary</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am worried because I cannot see your&nbsp=
;137 khz=20
grabber. I worked F6BWO earlier today on LF cw so I know all is well, but th=
ere=20
is not a LF grabber in sight at present, even the Russians are QRT.</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>LF/MF is looking grim at present.</FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary -=20
  G4WGT</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:=
10=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: LOW ACTY LF/MF</DI=
V>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
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l">Mal,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
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 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">You=20
  had me worried there! I thought my grabbers were not operating but I just=20
  checked &amp; yes they are running OK at :-<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></=
P>
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l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><A     href=3D"http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html">http://=
myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B><=
/P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
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 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><A     href=3D"http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html">http://=
myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B><=
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l">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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</st1:PersonName>] <B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </S=
PAN></B>mal <st1:City     w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:p=
lace></st1:City><BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B=
> 24 January 2009 17:50<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPA=
N></B> rsgb<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>=20=
LF: LOW ACTY=20
  LF/MF</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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Hello Markus , Lubos ,

Markus Vester a =C3=A9crit :
> ... the strong noise bands were caused by Luxembourg effect=20
> (ionospheric crossmodulation) from a strong LF or MF broadcasting=20
> transmitter onto the DCF39 carrier. When the "heater" is modulated by=20
> music, the spectrum often shows distinct bands related to the tones of=20
> the musical scale. Attached is a grabber snapshot just after 2:10,=20
> with DF colours rotated to bluegreen. The band near 137.78 kHz is=20
> clearly visible.
huummmm ! Markus , I do not think that it is of =E2=80=9C Luxembourg effect=
=E2=80=9D=20
because at the same time when Lubos and me
noted the phenomenon, I were in direction of 295 =C2=B0 (the USA) in this=20
direction I never noted of =E2=80=9C Luxembourg effect=E2=80=9D
I thus think that it came besides !!!! ??????
> Despite some distant QRN, very good signals from XKO and WD2XKO were=20
> visible through most of the night, with the last "J" coming through as=20
> late as 9:15.
Here I copied it until passed 9:30 ( see on my grabber )
>
> Markus, DF6NM
Have you could see your signal on the grabber of Laurence in China ?

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj







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Graham,

still 100% copy.
Even when competing with Jim, who is 30dB stronger and only 50Hz up it =20
works fine.
Btw, Jim is pushing the "noise level" reported by WSJT7 about 12dB up.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:

> Ok Rick,
>
> Well at the moment gary is reporting -8 at 22 miles in ground wave,  ,
> the power meter is moving the width of the needle and the power must be
> round 200/300 mW to the aE
>
> Ive set 100 % tx as the rx is jammed with 100 Hz noise sidebands  and
> wspr is uploading 'odd' things hihi . but at this level dont need the
> pa fan !
>
> I will leave it like this for a while .. see what comes back
>
> Tnx- G ..
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
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>
>>
>> Graham,
>>
>> at 20:58 it was -19dB SNR.
>> I have been able to decode as weak as -30dB, so 50mW would do the job.
>>
>> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>>
>> Quoting Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>>
>>> Just had this spot from OR7T  ....  500 mW feed power  to  35 ft top
>>> loaded vertical ..!
>>>
>>> 2009-01-30 20:50   G0NBD   0.503952   -21   0   IO83lk   +13   0.020
>>> OR7T JO20ix   594   369
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:36 PM
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Still looks to  be working at range .. outstanding !
>>>>
>>>> all I can do  next is take the drive from the exciter direct to the Ae=20=
?
>>>> G ..
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:28 PM
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>>>> Subject: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok All ,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well   from what I can measure  , power to the Ae is  500mW at the mom=
ent
>>>>> as of about 20-25 hrs ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Initial level was 30 watts  feed
>>>>>
>>>>> See what happens ?
>>>>>
>>>>> G ..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
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Finally copied Jim in WSPR:

213200   4 -20  1.2   -28  0  M0BMU IO91 23

I will leave the RX on.

JN35sa, Perseus + 7m vertical (untuned)

73 - Marco IK1ODO



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Dear Graham, LF Group,

Quite interesting to watch the two modes (BTW, the continuous text gives a 
much better comparison, thanks). At present, signal strength has improved a 
lot, and both signals are clearly audible between fades, which are 20dB or 
more (see attachment). When near maximum, both modes print almost 100%; the 
FEC version corrects the occasional error due to static cracks and pops, so 
has fewer errors, but throughput is only half. When there are bigger 
crashes, errors appear in the FEC copy as well, and it seems to take longer 
for FEC to "recover", so there are also more gaps in the copy, although 
probably less actual printed errors. It also seems to take longer for the 
FEC mode to recover after a deep fade. So the FEC does something, but in 
this implementation, not really what you want... I suspect it would be more 
advantageous to go to the narrower-band Domino EX4 sub-mode rather than use 
the FEC.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Hi James and All

One feature that has not really been discussed is the average feature 
offered in JT65.  It allows the user to average sync'd sequences that 
have not been decoded.  jt65 can positively identify the snyc 
information down to -33.   This would allow JT65 to copy down to -33 
given the determination to do so.  I have had much success using this on 
the 2m EME path and would only expect it to work better on LF given the 
greater stability of the path.

The biggest disadvantage to anything longer than QRSS3 on DX LF paths is 
the fading.  It has driven me nuts watching a signal come up, copy a 
couple of letters or parts there of and then back to nothing.  A viable 
DX mode on LF must be quick enough to deal with fairly short lifts and 
smart enough to remember the bits it did get in a lift to be used in the 
next lift...

My gut tells me that the LF DXer of the future will be using modes like 
WSPR,  JT65 or JT4A or similar in relatively short periods using an 
integration feature in software to grasp every scrap of signal received 
and put it to use.  This is where the operator becomes the critical 
link.  They must be able to make judgments on what to add to the buffer 
and what to reject and navigate the plethora of other issues that comes 
up while scraping the bottom of the band.

One final note, a JT65 user should play with the SYNC setting.  After 
alittle experience with the software under fire you'll know what to do 
with it.

73 Scott
VE7TIL

PS - I did take a considerable amount of data during Jay's runs and can 
say that on a QRSS3 ARGO grab not much is visible in the -25 and beyond 
range... 

James Moritz wrote:
>
> Dear David, LF Group,
>
> The WSJT modes are certainly effective, and quite easy to use . 
> However it should be noted that there is something of a disparity in 
> terms of ERP - The WE2XGR licences permit up to 200W ERP. I don't know 
> what the ERP of XGR/2 is, but looking at the station details on Jay's 
> web pages, I guess it must be a good deal more than 1W! So getting 
> signals from UK -> USA is likely to be a bit more difficult.
>
> The dB level refers to the SNR in a bandwidth of 2.5kHz, and this 
> reference point is used for all the WSJT programmes. The WSPR beacon 
> signals have decoded successfully down to about -30dB, so should give 
> a bit more margin still - M0BMU has been decoded a few times across 
> the pond using WSPR at the 1W ERP level; I have not tried JT65A yet.
>
> It is a bit hard to compare the signal levels required to produce 
> readable QRSS and successful decodes of JT65 / WSPR by looking at 
> off-air signals. I got the impression looking at the XGR/2 signals 
> using Spectrum Lab that the levels producing successful decodes were a 
> good QRSS3 level, and perhaps a marginal QRSS1 level, but more 
> systematic tests would be required. The bandwidth required by QRSS3 is 
> about 0.3Hz, which would improve the SNR by 39dB compared to the 
> 2500Hz WSJT reference bandwidth. I reckon you need 6dB or so SNR to 
> copy QRSS, so that would put QRSS3 at about -33dB on the WSJT scale, 
> but this takes no account of varying signal levels.
>
> I think the most important benefit when these modes are compared with 
> QRSS, etc. is the increased data rate. If you were to send "WE2XGR/2 
> FN31" as QRSS, it would take around 160 bit periods, about 8 minutes 
> at QRSS 3, as against 1 minute for JT65A and 2 minutes for WSPR. DFCW 
> would be quicker, at about 3.3 minutes. The reduced time period should 
> allow you to take advantages of short periods of higher signal 
> strength in the QSB. It seems to be unusual to see periods of several 
> minutes when a deep fade does not occur
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <G0MRF@aol.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:01 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: WE2XGR/2 in JT65A mode last night
>
>
>>
>> Interesting result Jim / Jay.
>>
>> I assume that the figure that varies between -17 and -23 is the receive
>> value in dB.
>> Given the observation about local noise then it may be the case that 
>> UK -
>> USA could be achieved with 6 to 9dB less power.
>
>
>


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as I seem to have a few in my view but they may be artifacts or possibly non=
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ed.  Anyway WPF is very clear in the window - thanks. My internet connection=
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Yes Chris.
Convert the alphabet into Murray code then binary, and everything then 
appears as 0 and 1 in its simplest form.

mal/g3kev

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Dear Mal and others,


> Come on Jim, learn the Murray code.


Prof. Tony Brooker, who wrote the first compiler compiler and later became 
Essex University's first Professor of Computing, once told me that he used 
to use Murray's code in his early days. Not on the radio, but for 
programming, sometimes in absolute binary. He commented that you got to know 
that if, for instance, the character was a an inverted comma and you wanted 
to set bit 4 then it became a digit 7 (or a letter U, at taste).

They didn't eat quiche in those days.


<figs shift> OO*.** OOO.O* <lets shift>
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Hi John, LF,

You wrote :-
As to power reporting, I see that most people on LF/MF are attempting
to estimate ERP, and use this figure in the beacon data.

This aspect of power reporting method has been briefly discussed on LF but
even on the HF bands there may well be as large a difference in antenna
gains as there is on 500KHz.

I believe that we should adopt the recommended WSPR standard then all the
reporting is the same whether it is HF, MF or LF.

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.



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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:24:23 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.
>
Hello Gary, LF,

I'm getting a fairly reliable signal from you, with just enough QSB to
dip under the decoding margin from time to time.

As to power reporting, I see that most people on LF/MF are attempting
to estimate ERP, and use this figure in the beacon data.

There was much discussion on the WSPR forum on the merits or otherwise
of this approach, in the HF sphere at least.

It might be easier if we adopted the same approach as is recommended
for HF use - to report the actual TX power, not ERP.

I see your last beacon is reporting 3dBm! Wow... that really is "flea
power". Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW
ERP from a large one.

Cheers,

John
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Dear Graham, LF Group,

Still getting patchy copy with both Olivia and Domino EX11. The power levels 
seem to have dropped abruptly and then returned at least twice during the 
course of your test.

There does not seem to be a great difference between the two modes- I get 
some copy with either unless the signal has totally faded out, but it is 
hard to make a good comparison with only short CQ calls and rapidly changing 
signal levels.

An interesting experiment would be to compare the default domino EX11 mode 
with the same mode but with the FEC enabled. This would give a direct 
comparison between FEC and non-FEC modes

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
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Its not a few hundred hertz it is SEVERAL hundred hertz.

----- Original Message ----- 
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RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.

So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" 
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> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>
>> OLIVIA :
>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<Uq
>> 8
>> &F=44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>> gnbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=vh=Ht*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>
>>
>> MFSK8
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>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
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Jim,

   Very nice for a TRF!
Iceland is good here too, playing pop tunes in english at 00:35.
RX Cubic 3280dsp
Ant 2-turn K9AY (copied from F1AFJ's K9AY)
--=20
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
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On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Dennis <Dennis.Hennig@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Really nice radio reception of Hellissandur 189kHz AM now in Berlin!
> distance is 2505km
> Power 300kW
> RX: TRF with MK484-IC,
> selection: one bandfilter and tuned antenna =3D 3 tuned cicuits
>
> I admit that I was out on the balcony after local midnight last night.
> Using a ladder and a looong fishing rod I managed to set up a wire loop
> from the balcony into the nearby tree with an estimated area
> of 30sqm (irregular shape), pointing Iceland.
>
> Good night!
> Dennis
>
>
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:14:26 +0000
John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> I've started a grabber showing 503.5 - 504.1

Sorry - forgot the URL:

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Danke Markus!

I'm so positively surprised and if I had a bottle of Champagne it would be o=
pen
now. These are very encouraging reports. Perhaps time to start building a mo=
re
powerful transmitter now. The antenna is about as good as it gets on this
property. An elevated loading coil could be worth a try though as the vertic=
al
wire is very near one of the supporting trees and I suspect some of that hig=
hly
needed ERP is wasted in it.

Will keep the signal coming for a few more hours, the PSU seems to do the jo=
b=20
(PSU for my old retired Yaesu FT-250).

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>:

> ... this it what it looked like here at 20:18. Nice job with 20 mW!
>
> 73 - Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:18 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
>
>
> Dear Paul-Henrik, LF Group,
>
> Now building up to "O" copy...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>




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Jean-Pierre,
   Thank you for the report!
Only QRP power now, No time to fix the power supply for the big TX.
--=20
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1



On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 5:45 PM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)"
<jpm.f1afj@online.fr> wrote:
> Hello Warren , LF ,
>
> Very good copy of "XGJ" now!
> Are you in qro ? or qrp ?
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
>
>

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Hi LF Group,
 
Just been looking at the Database of tonights activity, and I'm reported at
700miles from GM4SLV
Yet G4WGT is only 460miles.
 
Has the database put the km in my miles column?
A known bug?
 
73,
Lee M0LMH.
 
 

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D788324521-30012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi LF=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D788324521-30012009><FONT face=3DArial  size=3D2></FONT></=
SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D788324521-30012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just been=20=
looking at=20
the Database of tonights activity, and I'm reported at 700miles from=20
GM4SLV</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D788324521-30012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yet G4WGT=20=
is only=20
460miles.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D788324521-30012009>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D788324521-30012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Has the da=
tabase put=20
the km in my miles column?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D788324521-30012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A known=20
bug?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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capture 137khz
henny pa3cpm
73s
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137khz 13-01.jpg

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture 137khz</FONT></DIV>
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Ed
Strong at present de mal/g3kev qrv 502.57 khz

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Subject: LF: RU6LA's acty 3-4 jan


Dear LF enthusiasts!

My best wishes and a Happy New Year to all LF/MF enthusiasts!

TNX to all for QSOs, reports and captures of my last activity 13-14 dec!

I'll work 3-4 jan on 137 KHz band

In my plans is such:

- I'll do a beacon for the East (ZL/VK/BY/UA As...) from 1330z QRSS60
abt 137779 (sunset in KN97LN abt 1345z);

- I'll do a beacon for Northern America (if my beacon is interesting?)
from 23z QRSS60 abt 136319 (sunrise in KN97LN abt 0515z);

- 2way QSOs in CW/slow (my freq 137703) from abt 19z till abt 23z

I have very unstable Internet (GPRS) on the Machta ;-( - I can long
not answer msgs

73! Ed RU6LA   136.73.ru




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Dave
Although the smaller antennas work I have found the signals are well down 
compared  to the larger wire antennas.
My 40 metre resonated loop on 500 Kcs   is not as good as the 1/4 wave inv 
L, also I have noticed small loops in the target direction are well down on 
the bigger wire antennas. I am talking about weak signal detection.
de mal/g3kev

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> Noticed same thing here, Paul with e-antennas, so tried this and it serves
> well from 17.2 kc. to 6 meters.
> Pulled down all the other wire antennas, no more ground radials or top 
> load
> wires needed, plus is more quiet on RX.
> Gets out well on 600M too.  160M, 80M, 30M, it doesn't care where it
> tunes...
> Mostly no de-tuning with snow and wet...  ( maybe 2 kc. )
>
> TNX de Dave @ WD2XSH/17
>
> ref: www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP1107.jpg
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:12 AM
> Subject: Re: LF: 137 NIL
>
>
> Hello Mal, LF
>
>
> In my case it is still snowing here, no way to keep the antenna tuned atm.
> Short
> high impedance antennas are tricky to keep happy. Just like me they prefer
> dry
> weather and clear skies :)
>
> 73's
>
> Paul-Henrik
>
> Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
>> This band seems to have gone vy quiet again after a burst of recent acty.
>> Not
>> even a grabber active.
>>
>> de mal/g3kev
>
>
>
>
>


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Steve McDonald wrote:
>> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not already
>> taken place on MF.
>=20
> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
> Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover". Wouldn't it be
> wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
> What an amazing gift.
>=20
> VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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I thought I'd set an ERP of 25dBm in the setup, will have to check...
 My ERP is around that figure when hitting antenna with 80 Watts.

Not too happy with the WSPR windoze software.  The COM port operation
of Tx doesn't, properly.   On going from Tx to Rx it blips the RTS/DTR
lines but then stays with them active.  So the right port is selected
(COM1 ), but they are not toggling properly, just a quick blip.
Other software handles the DTR / RTS control properly.

Audio VOX required, methinks.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/25 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
> Hello Andy & LF,
>
> I've just started receiving WSPR transmission from Andy G4JNT, first
> decode seems to have been 0902 UTC
>
> All spots are being uploaded to WSPRnet
>
> Nice work, for daytime, almost 1100km, well done.
>
> Your WSPR signal impliesTX power of 0dBm - it that estimated ERP, or a
> configuration error?
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
>


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Hi, Markus.

WSPR copy this afternoon. Looks like the last two sequences didn't decode
properly - too weak I guess.

145800   6 -17  2.5    58  0  DF6NM JN59 17
150800   3 -21  2.5    57 -1  DF6NM JN59 17
151200   5 -20  2.5    58  0  DF6NM JN59 17
151600   1 -23  2.7    58  0  DF6NM JN59 17
153200   2 -28  2.8    57  0
153800   5 -23  2.7    58  0

73s Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Markus Vester
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Subject: LF: Re: Re: 137 kHz WSPR tests


... good point, Jim. I will pledge the European Union to subsidize LF
amateurs for the erection of higher antennas - this would save
more kg of CO2 per Euro than providing incentives to buyers of new cars ;-))

I will turn on the DF6NM whisper beacon for a while now, 137568 Hz, 200 W
RF, 25% TX.

Regards,
 Markus DF6NM

----- Original Message -----
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Dear LF Group,

The WSPR beacon is now QRT - I'm giving the electricity meter a rest :-)

Thanks for all the reports yesterday / overnight.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU





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... good point, Jim. I will pledge the European Union to subsidize LF amateurs for the erection of higher antennas - this would save 
more kg of CO2 per Euro than providing incentives to buyers of new cars ;-))

I will turn on the DF6NM whisper beacon for a while now, 137568 Hz, 200 W RF, 25% TX.

Regards,
 Markus DF6NM

----- Original Message ----- 
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Dear LF Group,

The WSPR beacon is now QRT - I'm giving the electricity meter a rest :-)

Thanks for all the reports yesterday / overnight.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Thanks Henny and Victor for the captures of my brief tests!

-- 
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2009/1/1 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:
> hi warren,
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> capture xgj
> henny cpm
> 73s
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Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone 

centre frequency  503 khz 

tx mode usb 

power 30 watts tune signal 

Will send for next few hours 

Reports welcome 


Graham 

 



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Mal, LF,

I calculate that at this moment only 400Hz is in use with Graham's transmiss=
ion, surely you can find somewhere to operate without QRM.

I think that leaves 2.6KHz of the band left.

In fact I can see & hear your signals with no problem at all.

Gary - G4WGT.

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NING NOW - 1615 HRS

Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you=20
cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!

----- Original Message -----=20
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RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


>A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>
> OLIVIA :
> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<Uq
> 8
> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd=20
> gnbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z!
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>
>
>
> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>
> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
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Dear Johan, Graham, LF Group,

If the shorter frame length is due to a sample rate error, there should also 
be a corresponding upward shift in the audio output frequencies. If we take 
M0LMH's figure of 1.5 seconds shorter, the M0BMU PC as being correct, and a 
frame length around 110s this implies a sample rate error of about 1.4%. 
This means that the audio coming out of Graham's PC at around 1500Hz should 
be about 20Hz higher than the nominal value. Is there actually a significant 
frequency error, Graham?

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Dear Jim, LF,
>
> that is a clear evidence of a soundcard sampling rate error. I am quite 
> sure
> that all timing in the WSPR software is derived from the sampling 
> frequency and,
> if memory serves me, the WSPR program uses a sampling rate of 12kHz. If 
> the
> soundcard does not support this rate and/or has a "physical" sampling rate 
> that
> is not a multiple of 12kHz (for example 44.1 kHz), then the driver or 
> window$
> will kick in a "resampler" between the soundcard and the WSPR application 
> which
> is asking for 12kHz. Many such resamplers are known to be inaccurate...
>
> 73
> Johan SM6LKM
> 



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Hello Mal, LF

I will consider a new frequency for tomorrow, right now I know some people h=
ave
set up their systems logging overnight in the hope to find something there i=
n
the morning and I can only want to make short excursions elsewhere.

Keep the QRG suggestions coming. How about 136.80 or 137.00kHz? I'm not fami=
liar
with the LORAN QRM etc. you are experiencing there. 136.50kHz got thumbs dow=
n
already yesterday so it needs to be higher than that.

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Paul
> Your freq is too low because of the qrm around 136 khz. A better freq woul=
d
> be 136.5 or higher.
> mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:02 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
>
>
> Thanks for the report Mal!
>
> Happy to send some lower frequency signals back in return for all those
> received
> on 600 metres. Looks like the OH-G path is still in the same good shape it
> used
> to be when Reino was still active on the band.
>
> 73's
>
> Paul-Henrik
>
> Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
> > Paul
> > Good copy ere now OOO at 2048 utc have good photo
> > mal/g3kev
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the screenshot Jim!
> >
> > Amazing, I thought it would take more to make it down there. It is good=20=
to
> > be
> > back on 136 after a 12 year break. My best DX back then was the Karlsbor=
g
> > expedition in Sweden (7S6SAJ)
> >
> > 73's
> >
> > Paul-Henrik
> >
> > Quoting James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
> >
> > > Dear Paul-Henrik,
> > >
> > > Now copying your QRSS3 - see attachment. Signal is recovering from QSB=
.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Jim Moritz
> > > 73 de M0BMU
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Went to PSK31 for a one way QSO with G0API a few minutes ago.  Dropped
to 503.4 for that so hope it didn't splatter your reception of JIm.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/25 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:34:34 -0000
>
>>
>> You're very strong - would be clearly readable as CW;  JNT is rather
>> weaker but audible.
>
>
> Hello Jim, LF,
>
> Currently listening to your QSO on CW with Chas. This is the first time
> I think I've heard you on "real man's CW". Even in wideband mode, so I
> can continue the WPSR monitoring, you're a good 539 in the old money.
>
> G4JNT is still decoding on WSPR, and is also now audible, although the
> poor old 400MHz laptop is struggling to decode in the presence of the
> CW.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> GM4SLV
> Clousta, Shetland
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Hi John
copy attached
73
dave G8SZX


John RABSON wrote:
> Maplin have been selling these but their paper catalogue does not seem to give detailed characteristics and doing an online search of their catalogue is not practicable as I am typically getting 14.4kb/s on dialup*, which means it takes a minute or more to repaint the page.  
>
> I tried e-mailing them but have not had a reply.  
>
> aL is easy to estimate with a few turns and an inductance meter, but I would like to know more about these materials.  Can anyone help, please? 
>
> John F5VLF
> *we are promised ADSL in a few weeks but I have been here before  
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Dear Mal,


Thanks again for your thoughts.

>  It used to be that a class A amateur had an advantage over the general pu=
blic by being able to converse in morse code, just like another language exc=
ept it was totally international.

Morse certainly has many advantages, but remember that it's not a language a=
s such: it's a sort of alphabet to represent languages.
For instance your Morse is far better than mine, but if I sent you
.-  .-..  ..     --..  .  .-..  ..  -  .    -.-  .-  ...-  ---
would you pop round for some? (I admit that's not quite right, as I don't kn=
ow how to put the accent over the Z and I've forgotten the Morse for questio=
n mark.)
A knowledge of the Q code allows you to hold rubber-stamp QSOs with people w=
ho don't speak your language, but not to chew the rag over (e.g.) what you t=
hink of the new US president or what's happening on Coronation Street.


> Even a worse senario, a lot of persons today cannot write, the norm is to=20=
use a keypad and send text messages using some abbreviated gibbirish, gramma=
r is not required, sort of pigeon english.=20

The standard of English of school leavers certainly is a problem today, at l=
east in Britain.
However, no-one's perfect: for example it's gibberish not gibbirish, and Eng=
lish not english.
As for grammar, I'm afraid your sentence structure punctuation leave "sort o=
f pigeon english" as a major clause, which needs a verb to be grammatical ;-=
(  We all write in abbreviations at times.
(Before anyone takes Mal to task for pigeon, I checked with the Concise Oxfo=
rd and it gives pigeon as a perfectly acceptable alternative to pidgin.)


The abbreviated forms one reads sometimes irritate me too, but I can underst=
and the logic. I think these derive from sending TXTs (used to be called SMS=
s) on mobile phones. If I had to send much from a keyboard with 12 keys to r=
epresent all the letters, digits and punctuation marks I'd start abbreviatin=
g, I think. Nor is this new: telegraphese started with telegrams, to keep th=
e word count down (for financial reasons in that case). Nearer to home, Mors=
e operators use a wide range of abbreviations which must be gibberish to out=
siders: not just the Q code, but many others such as ES for AND, and HI whic=
h apparently doesn't refer to how tall something is ;-)


Languages evolve, and the test tends to be "Does it work?" We shall see whet=
her TXTese (so to speak) is here to stay or turns out to be a ten-year fad.


73,
Chris G4OKW


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Thanks Henny and Victor for the XGJ captures!
-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
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2009/1/7 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:
> hi Warren,
> capture XGJ
> henny pa3cpm
> 73s
> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
> verzonden:
> XGJ 07-01.jpg
>
> Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen
> het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe.
> Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe
> bijlagen worden afgehandeld.


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> Just started WSPR again, and see a nice bright trace at approx 503.965
> in the 20:40 slot, but again no decode. I see no-one else reported a
> successful decode on WSPRnet at that time either. Looks like still some
> problem?

Could it be that the station that does not decode, albeit being received
strong, is not correctly time aligned ? Dimension4 is a very nice tool
for this. And it is also free...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Gary, Rik, John, Andy
 
That's the distance I worked it out at too.
But interestingly 434miles is 700km as Andy confirms.
 
My Locator is correct IO93gx Harrogate, North of Leeds.
 
Do you see km and miles Rik?
I have 1127km 700mi showing on John's spots.
 
Gary and I are within an hours drive.
Certainly not the case to IP90gg, how's the wine doing John?
 
Lee M0LMH.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 30 January 2009 22:01
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: WSPR Distance



Lee, LF,

 

I have checked and :-

 

IO83qp to IP90gg = 460 miles

IO93gx to IP90gg = 434 miles

 

Have you got your locator correct?

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

 


  _____  


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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hudson
Sent: 30 January 2009 21:51
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Subject: LF: WSPR Distance

 

Hi LF Group,

 

Just been looking at the Database of tonights activity, and I'm reported at
700miles from GM4SLV

Yet G4WGT is only 460miles.

 

Has the database put the km in my miles column?

A known bug?

 

73,

Lee M0LMH.

 

 

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Gary,=20
Rik, John, Andy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
ze=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>That's=20
the distance I worked it out at too.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>But=20
interestingly 434miles is 700km as Andy confirms.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
ze=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>My=20
Locator is correct IO93gx Harrogate, North of Leeds.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
ze=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Do you=20
see km and&nbsp;miles Rik?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>I have=20
1127km 700mi showing on John's spots.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
ze=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Gary=20
and I are within an hours drive.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
ze=3D2>Certainly not the case to IP90gg, how's the wine doing=20
John?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
ze=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D480192122-30012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Lee=20
M0LMH.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FON=
T    face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org]=20
  <B>On Behalf Of </B>Gary - G4WGT<BR><B>Sent:</B> 30 January 2009=20
  22:01<BR><B>To:</B> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE=
:=20
  WSPR Distance<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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">Lee,=20
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style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
">I=20
  have checked and :-<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
">IO83qp=20
  to IP90gg =3D 460 miles<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
">IO93gx=20
  to IP90gg =3D 434 miles<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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  you got your locator correct?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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AN></FONT></B><FONT    face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US    style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> owner-<st1:PersonName    w:st=3D"=
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</B> <st1:PersonName    w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:Person=
Name><BR><B><SPAN    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> LF: WSP=
R=20
  Distance</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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e=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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ZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi LF=20
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e=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN    style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Just been looking at the Database=20
  of tonights activity, and I'm reported at 700miles from=20
  GM4SLV</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN    style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yet G4WGT is only=20
  460miles.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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e=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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ZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Has the database put the km in my=20
  miles column?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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ZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">73,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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Paul
Solid copy on both antennas.
Ant A 1/4 wave inv L,  Datong upconverter/IC746 250 hz CW FILTER no 
processing,  into computer ARG0 display QRS 3 MODE.
Ant B 40 m loop,  Siemens level meter 20 hz bandwidth, computer ARGO display 
QRS 3 MODE
Solid signals on both systems.OOO vy little QSB evident.
73 mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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Hello LF

Will continue the transmission on 136.80kHz over the evening and night.


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD


Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> Hello LF!
>
> Transmitting CW ID + QRSS3 ID on 136.80kHz.
>
>
> Again, thanks for all reports on last night's activity.
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
>
>






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Lee,

with me the database at wsprnet shows km in the header

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Lee Hudson <hudsonville@btinternet.com>:

> Hi LF Group,
>
> Just been looking at the Database of tonights activity, and I'm reported at
> 700miles from GM4SLV
> Yet G4WGT is only 460miles.
>
> Has the database put the km in my miles column?
> A known bug?
>
> 73,
> Lee M0LMH.
>
>
>



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Subject: Re: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq
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Ok Jim

Just  seen your  post .. will set back to  olivia  and see what happens ....

im only running about  30 watts peak tone

tnx - G ..

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From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:28 PM
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Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq

>
> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>
> I have just downloaded MultiPSK, and am quite impressed to be getting 
> nearly
> 100% copy, in spite of your signal being only just audible, and having
> G3KEV's very strong CQ calls just on the edge of your bandwidth. Should be
> ready to try for a QSO in a short while, if you like.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>
>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>> centre frequency  503 khz
>> tx mode usb
>> power 30 watts tune signal
>> Will send for next few hours
>> Reports welcome
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



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On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:29:37 -0800
Scott Tilley <sthed475@telus.net> wrote:

> Gee I never thought I'd agree with Mal on something.
> 
> ;-) Scott
> VE7TIL
> 
> 

Painful isn't it?!


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PAUL

Signal now AUDIBLE on Ant A IC746 250 hz BANDWIDTH.
1628 utc
de mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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Hello LF

Will continue the transmission on 136.80kHz over the evening and night.


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD


Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> Hello LF!
>
> Transmitting CW ID + QRSS3 ID on 136.80kHz.
>
>
> Again, thanks for all reports on last night's activity.
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
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>






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=20
Hello Alberto, maybe a bad message.
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F4DTL Nicolas
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=E9crit :

No  traces of your signal, but another one showed up, about 80 Hz  lower...

2240 -21  1.8   0.135896 -1 TM0ILH JN07  40

73  Alberto  I2PHD





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Hi Andrey,

maybe your receiver is set to LSB (reversed FSK shift)?

73
Johan SM6LKM

----

Andrey rn3agc wrote:
> Hello LF'ers,
> Tell please to the silly colleague why I cannot decode WSPR? :)
> Has made a screenshot: signal DF6NM is well visible, frequency
> of the receiver below frequency of a signal on 1500 hz -
> - decoding is not present.
> Time is calibrated to a thousand fraction of a second...
> http://www.rn3agc.msk.ru/wspr.jpg
> Thanks!
> 
> 73
> Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


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Amateur bands are typically 2 to 10% of their centre frequency, so
lets take a figure of 5%, giving a useable band 95uHz wide.  Allow a
waveform that criutically fits inside this bandwidth - OFDM or MFSK
fit the bill nicely as they both have 'brick wall' frequency spectra,
so with really good coding we ought to be able to fit in about  100 -
200 u Bits/s, or one bit per 500 - 10000s.  Say one bit per hour.

We will use a codebook based approach to coding callsigns and reports
so as to compress a message into the smallest space possible:  say a
maximum of 256 stations on the band in the world,  means 8 bits need
to be allocated to callsign, and four possible reports
(poor/marginal/OK/strong) gives 10 bits per QSO.  Add two more bits
for QSO formatting and we end up with 12 bits of data per frame .   We
will need good error correction, so make it a convolutional rate half
code - 24 bits in total.  A QSO needs a minimum of two overs each for
full acknowledgement each way so at least 96 bits need to be
exchanged.   If no further overhead is used, the QSO could therefore
be completed in four days.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/18 Wolfgang B=FCscher <dl4yhf@freenet.de>:
> John wrote:
>>
>> 1.9mhz - now what sort of signalling rate can you get on 160Gm?
>>
>> John F5VLF
>>
>>
>
> ;o)
> Need a pretty decent antenna length for that, right ?
> And just consider the 1/f noise in the milliHertz receiver - use liquid
> helium cooling for the frontend ;-)
>
>
>

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Laurence
Speed it up to abt qrs30 or faster.=20
73 mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China=20
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  Subject: LF: 137


  Markus thanks - I leave for London tomorrow but Im going to leave the SDR=20=
and grabber/upload running here in freezing Tanggu China. Its as an "offered=
" service and I dont know how long my pc, wireless, dsl, server will stay co=
nnected, but hey a certain well known law always is activated when I leave t=
o or from a place.
  =20
  To:  I dont have my LF gear with me and end up uptop a 80 storey faraday c=
age of hotel with access to the roof..
  To:  I do have my LF gear with me and end up in a wooden framed hotel with=
 no earth, RF balun type flourscent lights, multiple SMPSU;s and no internet
  From : I dont leave the gear running and we have a marvellous LF opening s=
ay a K3 event after a long quiet spell per Jan 2003
  From: I do leave the gear running but the LF probe PSU catches fire or the=
 local authorities take down the antennae to investigate why the heck a baby=
 bottle is sitting atop a fishing pole...
  =20
  You can pick from any of the above but heres hoping it stays up for a whil=
e.
  =20
  Laurence
  http://kl1x.com
  Tanggu China OM89UA



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  Subject: LF: Re: other QRSS stations in jn49ax



  Hello Marco and LF,

  the strong lower "Y" was actually my "NM", the real "Y" directly above tha=
t is RA3YO. Here is a list of frequencies observed this evening (Jan 4th):

  778.65  "RU"  RU6LA
  778.26 /.36  "Y"  RA3YO
  777.90 /778.00  "NM"  DF6NM
  777.45 "WPF"  UA4WPF
  776.22 /.32  "AGC"  RN3AGC
  776.0  "S"  UA9CS ?
  775.50  "WX"  DJ8WX
  774.99  "DTL"  F4DTL

  As far as I could see, "RU", "Y", "WPF" and "S" were well readable at diff=
erent times on the Chinese KL1X screenshots. I was also pleased to see that=20=
"NM" at least managed to get a few singular dashes across between 21:55 and=20=
22:13.

  Many thanks to Laurence for setting up his receiver and triggering all thi=
s activity!

  Kind regards=20
  Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Scholz, Marco=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:24 AM
    Subject: LF: other QRSS stations in jn49ax


    Hello,
    also good copy of AGC and very strong Y ~1.7Hz above agc. Not sure if th=
e signal above the Y is RU in a slower mode as QRSS60?
    good night, vy73
    Marco
    DD7PC



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Laurence</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Speed it up to abt qrs30 or faster. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dhellozerohellozero@hotmail.com     href=3D"mailto:hellozerohell=
ozero@hotmail.com">Laurence BY3A-KL1X China</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 05, 2009 4:16=
=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 137</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Markus thanks - I leave for London tomorrow but Im going to=
=20
  leave the SDR and grabber/upload running here in freezing Tanggu China. It=
s as=20
  an "offered" service and I dont know how long my pc, wireless, dsl, server=
=20
  will stay connected, but hey a certain well known law always is activated=20=
when=20
  I leave to or from a place.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>To:&nbsp; I dont have my LF gear=20=
with=20
  me and end up uptop a 80 storey faraday cage of hotel with access to the=20
  roof..<BR>To:&nbsp; I do have my LF gear with me and end up in a wooden fr=
amed=20
  hotel with no earth, RF balun type flourscent lights, multiple SMPSU;s and=
 no=20
  internet<BR>From : I dont leave the gear running and we have a marvellous=20=
LF=20
  opening say a K3 event after a long quiet spell per Jan 2003<BR>From: I do=
=20
  leave the gear running but the LF probe PSU catches fire or the local=20
  authorities take down the antennae to investigate why the heck a baby bott=
le=20
  is sitting atop a fishing pole...<BR>&nbsp;<BR>You can pick from any of th=
e=20
  above but heres hoping it stays up for a while.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Laurence<BR><=
A     href=3D"http://kl1x.com">http://kl1x.com</A><BR>Tanggu China OM89UA<BR=
><BR><BR>
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  <BR>From: markusvester@aol.com<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date=
:=20
  Mon, 5 Jan 2009 01:47:44 +0100<BR>Subject: LF: Re: other QRSS stations in=20
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  <DIV>Hello Marco and LF,</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>the strong lower "Y" was actually my "NM", the real "Y"&nbsp;directly=
=20
  above that is RA3YO.&nbsp;Here is a list of frequencies observed&nbsp;this=
=20
  evening (Jan 4th):</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>778.65&nbsp; "RU" &nbsp;RU6LA</DIV>
  <DIV>778.26 /.36&nbsp; "Y" &nbsp;RA3YO</DIV>
  <DIV>777.90 /778.00&nbsp; "NM"&nbsp; DF6NM</DIV>
  <DIV>777.45 "WPF"&nbsp; UA4WPF</DIV>
  <DIV>776.22 /.32 &nbsp;"AGC"&nbsp; RN3AGC</DIV>
  <DIV>776.0&nbsp; "S"&nbsp; UA9CS ?</DIV>
  <DIV>775.50&nbsp; "WX"&nbsp; DJ8WX</DIV>
  <DIV>774.99&nbsp; "DTL"&nbsp; F4DTL</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>As far as I could see, "RU", "Y", "WPF" and "S" were well=20
  readable&nbsp;at different times on the Chinese KL1X screenshots.&nbsp;I w=
as=20
  also&nbsp;pleased to see that "NM" at least managed to&nbsp;get&nbsp;a few=
=20
  singular dashes&nbsp;across between 21:55 and 22:13.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Many thanks to Laurence for setting up his receiver and triggering al=
l=20
  this activity!</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Kind regards </DIV>
  <DIV>Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK</DIV>
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lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dmarco.scholz@citi.com href=3D"mailto:marco.scholz@citi.com">S=
cholz,=20
    Marco </A></DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 05, 2009 12=
:24=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: other QRSS stations=20=
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    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN       class=3DEC_509531923-04012009>He=
llo,</SPAN><BR><SPAN       class=3DEC_509531923-04012009>also good copy of A=
GC and very strong Y ~1.7Hz=20
    above agc. Not sure if the signal above the Y is RU in a slower mode as=20
    QRSS60?</SPAN><BR><SPAN class=3DEC_509531923-04012009></SPAN><SPAN     =20=
 class=3DEC_509531923-04012009>good night, vy73</SPAN><BR><SPAN       class=
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r instance, the character was a an inverted comma and you wanted to set bit=20=
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Back on  .. testing  decodes  .. still not 100 sure what the problem is

tnx- G ..

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>
> Hi all ,,, dont know what was happening last night .. re decodes
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> Running wspr at 10 watts to  ae
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> 502.4 KHz usb
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Hi Jay,

many thanks for watching last night, and sending this enjoyable screenshot. I'm happy about this year's first TA copy! And I guess 
we should do this more often, and more of us - I really enjoyed those nights when we had a pack of five or six DX signals within a 
few Hz.

Well, for a start, this evening "U" (RA9CUA?), "W" (UA4WPF), "NM", and "Y" (RA3YO) are active in DFCW around 136.309. Anyone else?

73 and best wishes
Markus, DF6NM

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Marcus

Condx hung in there for another two hours after that capture...then went downhill.

Jay


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> Marcus
>
> Looking good so far. Will see how the signal looks overnight.
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> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2




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Dear Mike, LF Group,

Worked F4DTL this morning in DFCW - also copied, but missed F6BWO. No sign 
of OE5EEP here either, though I did see a very weak trace around 137.7 of 
something that might have been hand-sent CW at around 1230utc.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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> I have re-started the WSPR beacon on 503.5kHz (502kHz "dial frequency").
All
> reports will be very welcome. G4JNT is still QRV - solid copy here of
> course, with SNR plus a few dB.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU


Just downloaded & installed WSPR for the first time today, Jim, and here's
my first attempt at reception:

1308 -17  0.6 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1324 -11  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1332 -14  0.0 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1340 -20  0.0 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1348 -20  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1354 -19  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1420 -20  0.0 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1430 -21 -0.2 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1434 -23 -1.8 501.971599  0 O I/ZZ8XZJ S5
1446 -21 -0.3 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1502 -24 -0.3 501.971529  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1528 -25  0.3 501.971529  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1532 -20  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1538 -15  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1542 -13  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1546 -13  0.2 501.971529 -1 G4JNT IO90 23
1558 -19  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1602 -14  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1604 -14  0.0 501.971560  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1610 -21  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1614  -9  1.1 501.971560  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1618 -15  0.0 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1622  -9  1.0 501.971560  0 M0BMU IO91 30
1628 -11  0.1 501.971530  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1628  -4  1.0 501.971560  0 M0BMU IO91 30

TS950, 50 metre inverted "U", untuned,  IO81CR, Swansea Valley.

You're very strong - would be clearly readable as CW;  JNT is rather weaker
but audible.

Martin

GW3UCJ.




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Dear Dave, Paul-Henrik,

It could well be due to the increasing level of sidebands from Lakihegy, and 
associated Luxembourg effect noises. The attachment shows OH1LSQ mostly 
received on a N-S oriented loop which nulls Lakihegy quite well. The burst 
of noise in the middle is where I switched to the E-W loop for a while. I am 
getting pretty consistent 10 - 15dB SNR in 0.3Hz bandwidth with the N-S loop

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave G3WCB" <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ


> Paul-Henrik, LF,
>
> 136.35 kHz is fine for me, it's probably just that the conditions may have
> changed. I'll continue to monitor 136.35 for the next few hours.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
> 

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Hello,

I've dropped back to 502.4 for a while to look for M0LMH

John


On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:54:45 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear Lee, LF Group,
> 
> Just spotted M0LMH in WSPR:
> 
> 2238 -23  1.9   0.503918  0 M0LMH IO93 13
> 
> Welcome to the party, Lee!
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> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
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Hi Jim, LF.  

Sadly no decodes from M0BMU or DF6NM on 136 last night.
M0BMU was clearly audible and was showing on the waterfall display.

I'm using WSPR 1.01_r1023, and it worked fine on 500kHz the other day.

Am I doing something wrong? (well, yes, obviously, but what!)

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Subject: LF: RE: WSPR beacon on 136kHz - QRT 


Dear LF Group,

The WSPR beacon is now QRT at 0206utc - I was worried about falling asleep 
with 900W going up the antenna, which is now waving around a lot in the 
wind!

Many thanks for all the reports, which have made this a successful first 
attempt at WSPR on 136k for this station.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 




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It looks like Markus has switched on his Tx...

2220 -16  2.6   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
2226 -16  2.6   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2230 -19  2.7   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2234 -20  2.8   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Jim let me know if your going to run (your) tonight on WSPR - Im back up and=
 running here in China
=20
Laurence BY3A/KL1X
Grabber http://kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg
=20
> From: james.moritz@btopenworld.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Date=
: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:15:49 +0000> Subject: LF: Re: 136khz WSPR> > Dear Vern=
, LF Group,> > Just woke up after setting the alarm clock to check all OK wi=
th the TX and > antenna here, and was very pleasantly surprised to see your=20=
decodes of my > WSPR signal. I am running well under the full 1W ERP (I esti=
mate about > 300mW) due to antenna limitations here, and so was not seriousl=
y expecting > transatlantic reception. So this is excellent news!> > Since a=
ll seems OK, and sigs still being copied by GM4SLV and DF6NM, I may > as wel=
l keep the beacon running until morning and see how things change at > sunri=
se. Back to bed now - at least that made it worthwhile dragging myself > out=
 at this unearthly hour!> > Cheers, Jim Moritz> 73 de M0BMU> > ----- Origina=
l Message ----- > From: "Vern - VE1VDM" <vmath@eastlink.ca>> To: <rsgb_lf_gr=
oup@blacksheep.org>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:25 AM> Subject: LF:=20=
136khz WSPR> >=20
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Jim let me know if your going to run (your) tonight on WSPR - Im back up and=
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&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence BY3A/KL1X<BR>
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<BR><BR>&gt; From: james.moritz@btopenworld.com<BR>&gt; To: rsgb_lf_group@bl=
acksheep.org<BR>&gt; Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:15:49 +0000<BR>&gt; Subject:=20=
LF: Re: 136khz WSPR<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Dear Vern, LF Group,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; J=
ust woke up after setting the alarm clock to check all OK with the TX and <B=
R>&gt; antenna here, and was very pleasantly surprised to see your decodes o=
f my <BR>&gt; WSPR signal. I am running well under the full 1W ERP (I estima=
te about <BR>&gt; 300mW) due to antenna limitations here, and so was not ser=
iously expecting <BR>&gt; transatlantic reception. So this is excellent news=
!<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Since all seems OK, and sigs still being copied by GM4SLV=
 and DF6NM, I may <BR>&gt; as well keep the beacon running until morning and=
 see how things change at <BR>&gt; sunrise. Back to bed now - at least that=20=
made it worthwhile dragging myself <BR>&gt; out at this unearthly hour!<BR>&=
gt; <BR>&gt; Cheers, Jim Moritz<BR>&gt; 73 de M0BMU<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ----- O=
riginal Message ----- <BR>&gt; From: "Vern - VE1VDM" &lt;vmath@eastlink.ca&g=
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Hi Mark, well at least your ISP does not seem to be blacklisted, because
some are still like Laurence who I think has had to use a different ISP,
because that mail got through. The spambots at some ISPs have been made very
aggressive recently as a result of the "Child Protection pressure" The VLF
Group I sub to was rated as an "adult site" because on poster named his
design "Little Cutie" (It will be interesting to see it this gets through
!!) There have also been problems with some ISPs where a mesage has refered
to the gender of a coax connector !! You might find it interesting to
re-read you failed message for "double entendres"

Cheers
Alan G3NYK

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Seems that the spambots are censoring mail to this group
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

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In essence my email said   WSPR (and QRSS)  are best at the top edge of the
band. They will not interfere much with each other.
My WSPR decoder  and grabber is on 24/7 so an agreed frequency is needed for
it to be most effective especially when I am away (a lot recently)

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Dear Mal, LF Group,


MOBMU now
192800 9 -13 0.2 -182 0 m0bmu 1091 30
Jim is this what u expect
mal/g3kev

Well, nearly - if the -182 is in the "DF" column, it would seem your RX is 
set 182Hz too high.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Cc: "600MRG" <shmrg@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:43 PM
Subject: 600MRG> WSPR 503.5


> Good decode on M0BMU well before sunset this afternoon @ 2009-01-25 21:14 
> http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=&sort=date
>
> Looking for some of his neighbors now with sunset @ 2149Z...
>
> Ta-Da and cheerie, de Dave @ WD2XSH/17
>
>
>
> Mel,
>
> They might have something here... If that were a CW SOS, weed a lost it!!! 
> ( I was on the bridge drinking coffee )
> The misses and me was out working on 2 and 6 worth of fish and chips ( 
> shark and taters ) while the WSPR w/M0BMU QSL was sitting here waiting...
> Bluddy amazing!!
>
> Time to hang up the old side swiper... No more ZLB / VIS / NGX CW AIRREP 
> QSOs from N132644
>
> Regreatfully,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Jim, LF,

Good copy of M0BMU as usual. I am seeing F5WK on the WSPR display but no
decode?

I have no idea what the 1870 is near the bottom?

73

Gary - G4WGT.

090117 1752  29  -4  0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1756  30  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1806  29  -4  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1814  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1820  27  -4 -0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1824  30  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1828  27  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1832  27  -6  0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1840  26  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1848  29  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1852  27  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1856  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1902  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1908  20 -13  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1914  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1922  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0  1870    0
090117 1928  27  -5 -0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1936  24  -8  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0



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Subject: LF: OH1LSQ QRSS, F5WK WSPR

Dear Paul-Henrik, Michel, LF Group,

I just checked 136.8kHz, and OH1LSQ is a weak "M" copy signal here, just 
after dark. Will check again later.

F5WK appeared on my WSPR log at 1504utc, and has been solid copy since then.

In fact, the signal is audible here at about S3 or 4. DF6NM has also been 
copied until 1718.

I have now (1748utc) re-started the M0BMU WSPR beacon - any reports very 
welcome.

Cheers, Jim moritz
73 de M0BMU 




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Hi All,
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Paul, David, Alan, Jim, LF, (and anyone I may have left out)

Many thanks everyone for your replies and very useful information.  What kic=
ked my request off was the need to make an input transformer for the Softroc=
k for 136.

I have a few of these cores (and also assorted cores inherited from one of o=
ur club members in Suffolk) and will do some measurements. =20

73
John F5VLF

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 29/01/2009 at 22:03 James Moritz wrote:

>Dear John, LF Group,
>
>Most of these "EMC" cores are made of something similar to Fair-Rite #43=20
>material, with mu of around 850. They will work quite well at LF and MF,=20
>although a given size of core will require about 1.5 times as many turns
>as=20
>the "traditional" 3C85/90/95 etc materials to get the same inductance.=20
>Unfortunately, the distributors have only heard of ferrite cores being
>used=20
>to put on cables to supress noise, so they don't know much about
>materials,=20
>and usually classify according to size, and, if you are lucky, impedance
>in=20
>the HF/VHF range, which is not very relevant to LF.
>
>You can make a reasonably accurate determination of the permeability by=20
>measuring the inductance of a core wound with several turns to get AL =3D L
>/=20
>n^2, The formula relating AL, mu, cross-sectional area, and magnetic path=20
>length is
>
>AL =3D 4pi * 100 * mu *A/l
>
>with cross sectional area of the magnetic path A in square metres, and=20
>magnetic path length l in metres  (in the case of toroidal shapes, this is=20
>roughly the average of the inner and outer circumferences of the core),
>and=20
>mu is the relative permeability.
>
>Once you know what permeability you have, you can be fairly sure behaviour=20
>will be near to that of a material with similar mu in one of the=20
>manufacturer's catalogues, e.g. Ferroxcube or Fair-Rite
>
>Cheers, Jim Moritz
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This may have been asked before.

 

Will a USB to RS232 adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware
interface. My PC has only 1 RS232 port & no empty PCI slots.

 

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First decode from 200/300 mW ae feed !

2009-01-30 21:32   G0NBD   0.503951   -27   0   IO83lk   +13   0.020 
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>
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:00:06 -0000
> "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
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>> Mark
>>
>> This is getting silly hihi 500 mW to the aE ..
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> LF Wisperers,..
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> I've just started my WPSR RX setup, so will look from time to time to
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> 1st period has just ended,
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Dear Paul - Henrik,

On the spectrogram I am seeing what could be very weak CW near to 
136.400kHz, but there are several Loran lines close to this frequency, so it 
is a bit hard to tell. The spectrum is a bit clearer near 136.350kHz - could 
you QSY?

BTW, the lower end of the band is quite badly affected by the sidebands from 
Lakihegy in mainland Europe, so you might consider a a higher frequency.

You could also try sending a series of "long dashes" for a few minutes, i.e. 
key down for 10s, key up for 10s

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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LF, transmitting now. CW on 136.40kHz.




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Jim, LF

My WSPR problem is sorted now. I installed v7.02, as suggested by Piotr.
This version is much easier to set up, and the SpecJT display is very
useful.

204600   7  -4  1.2   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23
205400   6   5  1.3   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Dear John, LF Group,

The WSPR beacon is now running on 137.50kHz (RF out), 136.0kHz "dial
frequency", 33% TX. Any reports would be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Hello LF,

I've retuned the RX setup to 502.400 and am awaiting signals.

I have to be out of the house for a few hours soon, but (of course)
everything will be left running and uploading to the WSPRnet database.

Did we track down the mystery K1JT?

John




On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:45:51 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear Graham, LF Group,
> 
> I think the sensible thing to do would be to try it for a while, and
> see if people report problems.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU

> 
> >
> > Are we to  adopt  502.400 Hz  USB dial frequency for WSPR ?
> > With  1500 Hz audio centre band tone.
> 
> 


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But have you thought about the power DENSITY.   Its a well known fact
that spreading a signal in frequency improves channel usage and
assists weak signalling - go back to Shannon's eqn.

Look at first GSM (which used frequency hopping to improve usage) then
3G with DSSS.   Also all the WLAN modes use frequency spreading.

Methinks you're behind the times thinking single carrier modulation.
Amateurs should move with teh times, not be stuck in the 1960's

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Tonight another episode of transmissions taking up about 1 khz of spectrum
> in a 3 khz allocation.
> I think the time has come to ask OFCOM for their opinion. These are not
> experimental transmissions,  just established modes generating QRM to the
> rest of the 500 khz community and QRM GENERATORS, and not suitable for 500
> khz.
> The 500 khz band will SEFL DESTRUCT with this type of anti social behaviou=
r.
> I would not blame OFCOM if they pulled the plug.
> and they do read these messages along with the RSGB coordinator.
> G3KEV
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
> Ok Gary,
>
> Thats the first odd report hihi ...psk was not supposed to be better .....=
..
> ! doesn't look well for decodes at range .. i will try and add a few more
> watts ..
>
> are you running  x 3 multipsk at once ? the beacon text is :-
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Tnx - G ..
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:37 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: LF: RE: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>>
>> Graham, LF,
>>
>> OK all copied here at varying percentages.
>>
>> MFSK8
>>
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ea dKt  tp r=A2i=FAiik1kE Keonoe
>> x'!etiwB Fa=F8oit"0i=FCTelt !cgne=CAW=A5 Dr gf ! la(  i:a =BEd=F5ie.Yp  a=
.t=A2 P
>> ntiae yt
>> rl k =A2gt s CDdo   bd
>> CQ CQ V) DE...g0abd   8(c)x  ag0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ ..=B1t=DFnbd  g0n!d  g0nbw kkk =C4& =C4jt  =F6=CE  E.xg0nbd  g0n=
bd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ Jd  t E...g0nbd  yz0nbd   C(c)oLQ CQ DE.n ki=B1ngS =A7/  g0P%iKhk e=
r xu5ui
>> i=B9a tyfbhttaq=3D  ih=C4iod  elmha n n E=A1tdi=A2nbeeue Ntotm=E2eNRxeca
>>
>> PSK31
>>
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>>
>> Olivia 8 x 250
>>
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbj<"g0nbd  kkk z34QU
>> @DK   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQXs[ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk Q cY9L,'6   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd
>> g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  0}^)  g0nbd
>> CQ C1@#Q DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk H1R7Y
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Gary - G4WGT.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
>> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING
>> NOW
>> - 1615 HRS
>>
>> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in
>> parallel
>>
>> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
>> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running
>> on
>>
>> the same pc in beacon mode
>>
>> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference
>> signal
>> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>>
>> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
>> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
>> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
>> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>>
>> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
>> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>>
>> Running  3 mode beacon
>>
>> Dial set   502 khz usb
>>
>> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>>
>> 1250 hz   psk31
>>
>> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>>
>> Reports  welcome
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> G0NBD
>>
>> Io83LK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>
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Advanced operator G0AT. I will look out for you on hi speed wspr.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR


> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:51:23 -0000
> "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>> LOOK AFTER would imply Appliance. Assume you are looking after
>> Shetland mountain goat.jpg.   If you can milk the goat or dehorn a
>> goat that would promote you from Appliance to Amateur operator goat.
>> I am sure you understand the humour, its the best way that I can put
>> it.
>>
>
> Okay then....
>
> I would be expected to deliver the kid, perform open heart
> surgery on the nanny, castrate the billy.
>
> I would be on 24/7 standby in case of goat illness or accident, but not
> just for goats - I'd be expected to deal with sheep, elephants,
> gorillas and terrapins as well.
>
> I'd have to look into the DNA of the ocelots and decide if the Maker
> had slipped up while designing them, and if so come up with a breeding
> plan to improve the stock, and make sure all the other farms appplied
> the same cure too.
>
> I'd nurse along the last remaining dodos until Dodo-Switch-Over, then I
> would have to rectify any genetic disorders with the new breed of fowl
> that has been delivered to the zoo to replace the dead dodos.
>
> I'd have to climb into the tallest treetops to inspect and repair any
> ultra-high frequency ants I found up there. I have to make sure all the
> feed dishes stay in place for various lynx.
>
> I have to keep the deionized water supply nice and pure for the steam
> cooled goat houses.
>
> Milking and de-horning a goat is child's play. That's what the
> apprentices do....
>
>


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Hello Klaus,

> On the other hand, WSPR has the advantage of automatic
> recording. But that is not an advantage of the mode, it
> simply is the lack of a corresponding simple program that
> does the same with a QRSS signal.
the automatic recording/reporting ability is clearly an advantage of  
WSPR in regard with propagation studies. And I agree that QRSS or DFCW  
would serve as well or even better if a similar automatic  
recording/reporting would be provided.
But I am afraid that a "waterfall display to ASCII" conversion is not  
simple at all ;-)

> Nevertheless, WSPR is not very near to the Shannon limit.
> I spent nearly all my leisure time of the last year with
> the design of a new digital ham radio QSO-mode HD43 that
> comes as close as possible to the theoretical limit.
> I will send a preprint on request.
I am interested

73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T


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Receiving you @ Brant Rock, Jim... ( I think )

Still light out here... Am seeing what looks like CW on Argo screen with 
very faint audio, no positive ident as yet...

Looks like 60 seconds of CW then a dash and silence...

Thanks for your great DX signal...  More later...

Dave @ WD2XSH/17

www.radiocom.net/Fessenden



----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dear LF Group,
>
> The M0BMU WSPR beacon is now running on 503.5kHz again, hopefully 
> continuing overnight. Any reports would be very welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 



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henny cpm
73s

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MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone available t=
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Jim,

         It is the founder's dream to restore 500kHz as a maritime cw
traffic frequency.
Most likely, it will be contact other similarly licensed 'coastal
stations' and perhaps some 'museum' ships.
At this point it looks like it will operate from the founders (Steve
WA1HUD) home QTH pending the donation of land and other resources.

       I wish them well but remain somewhat sceptical about the project.
-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1


On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:56 PM, James Moritz
<james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> Dear Dave, LF Group,
>
> I looked at the NEHRS web site but am not much the wiser about what the
> nature of their project is - do you have any other info?
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:31 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR
>
>
> NEWS FLASH
> The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF
> CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts...
>
>
>


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Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?  I'm rather
late coming on to it having only got the NoV last week, and haven't
followed the reflector over the last year or two (microwaves were
calling)

Clearly WSPR needs to be concentrated on a particular centre freq
(503.5), but what else is standard?

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/25 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
> Dear Andy, John, LF Group,
>
> Yes, Chas, G3DXZ suddenly appeared on the WSPR frequency in CW, so we QSYed
> a bit for a contact - I'll probably recover, given time!
>
> The WSPR beacon is back on again now.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P-G"
> <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:53 PM
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>
>
>> Currently listening to your QSO on CW with Chas. This is the first time
>> I think I've heard you on "real man's CW". Even in wideband mode, so I
>> can continue the WPSR monitoring, you're a good 539 in the old money.
>>
>
>
>


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Does anyone have a copy of an electronic version of the NoV
application form?   The .PDF on the Ofcom website looks to be a
standard doc for printing and filling out by hand.
Not having handwriting font on my PC, and gave up writing by hand over
20 years ago ... :-)

What sort of field strength evaluations are they looking for?  There
are too many ways of frigging that calculation.


Andy  G4JNT
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=C2=A0Hi Rik and LF
=C2=A0
But that's the point, =C2=A0an envelope detector will not detect CW (ON / OF=
F Keying) unless A/ you have a local oscillator (DC rx) to create a beat in=20=
the detector, added complication in design or B/ unless the carrier has got=20=
noise on it (sparker) or it is modulated, added bandwidth for no extra intel=
ligence.
=C2=A0
If we go away from a simple detector RX and add amplification to an envelope=
 detector the recovered DC from a CW signal could be used to operate a switc=
h to activate a Buzzer, light or side tone oscillator but=C2=A0I don't think=
 thats in the spirit of the spirit of the challenge.
=C2=A0
However a Coherer detector does everything for CW in one simple easy to cons=
truct mechanical device with no fiddling with cats whiskers or the risk of c=
utting a vital artery with a sharp razor blade! And no need for high impedan=
ce cans.
=C2=A0
I rest my case for the Coherer detector.I think Edouard Branly=C2=A0and Oliv=
er Lodge=C2=A0got it dead right!
=C2=A0
The challenge is to make a QSO using the Razor Blade RX I am working on it.=20=
But a counter Challenge is to use a Coherer for a two way QSO, I am working=20=
on that also. However it's very cold in my garage right now so don't expect=20=
a result from me soon but better setup ops may have a result sooner.
=C2=A0
Regards 73 petefmt

--- On Wed, 7/1/09, Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> wrote:

From: Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 8:11 AM


MCW: what a waste of bandwidth, Mal will allert OFCOM !

73, Rik=C2=A0 ON7YD - OR7T

At 00:42 7/01/2009, you wrote:

=C2=A0No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz.

73 DJ1ZB


=C2=A0"M0FMT" <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb:=20


Hi Mal and LF

=C2=A0

I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope detector. A true C=
W man, I would have thought, should only entertain the use of a Cohere detec=
tor!

=C2=A0

Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a range 136=
kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a much la=
ger range of frequencies but not tested by me.

=C2=A0

http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm

=C2=A0

73 pefmt



=C2=A0



--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:


From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>

Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM


Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info from the web=
.

g3kev

=C2=A0


----- Original Message -----=20

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To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


310113517964=C2=A0=C2=A0 E bay too

=C2=A0

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wri=
tes:


Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have had se=
veral requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to submit a cct=
 I will await replies. This method was used successfully=C2=A0 at Coldiz and=
 other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.

Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to MF/LF=20=
since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.

Build one and have a QSO using this RX

g3kev

=C2=A0

=C2=A0




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<DIV id=3Dyiv47789>
<DIV>&nbsp;Hi Rik and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>But that's the point, &nbsp;an envelope detector will not detect CW (ON=
 / OFF Keying) unless A/ you have a local oscillator (DC rx) to create a bea=
t in the detector, added complication in design or B/ unless the carrier has=
 got noise on it (sparker) or it is modulated, added bandwidth for no extra=20=
intelligence.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>If we go away from a simple detector RX and add amplification to an env=
elope detector the recovered DC from a CW signal could be used to operate a=20=
switch to activate a Buzzer, light or side tone oscillator but&nbsp;I don't=20=
think thats in the spirit of the spirit of the challenge.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>However a Coherer detector does everything for CW in one simple easy to=
 construct mechanical device with no fiddling with cats whiskers or the risk=
 of cutting a vital artery with a sharp razor blade! And no need for high im=
pedance cans.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I rest my case for the Coherer detector.I think <SPAN lang=3DEN style=
=3D"COLOR: black; mso-themecolor: text1; mso-ansi-language: EN"><A title=3D"=
Edouard Branly" href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edouard_Branly"><SPAN s=
tyle=3D"COLOR: black; TEXT-DECORATION: none; mso-themecolor: text1; text-und=
erline: none"><FONT face=3DCalibri size=3D3>Edouard Branly</FONT></SPAN></A>=
&nbsp;and <SPAN lang=3DEN style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-themecolor: text1; mso-=
ansi-language: EN"><A title=3D"Oliver Lodge" href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org=
/wiki/Oliver_Lodge"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; TEXT-DECORATION: none; mso-=
themecolor: text1; text-underline: none"><FONT face=3DCalibri size=3D3>Olive=
r Lodge</FONT></SPAN></A>&nbsp;got it dead right!</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"COLOR=
: black; mso-themecolor: text1"><?xml:namespace prefix =3D o ns =3D "urn:sch=
emas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The challenge is to make a QSO using the Razor Blade RX I am working on=
 it. But a counter Challenge is to use a Coherer for a two way QSO, I am wor=
king on that also. However it's very cold in my garage right now so don't ex=
pect a result from me soon but better setup ops may have a result sooner.</D=
IV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Regards 73 petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 7/1/09, Rik <SPAN>Strobbe</SPA=
N> <I>&lt;rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: Rik Strobbe &lt;rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;<B=
R>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@bl=
acksheep.org<BR>Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 8:11 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1200408088>MCW: what a waste of bandwidth, Mal will allert OFCO=
M !<BR><BR>73, Rik&nbsp; ON7YD - OR7T<BR><BR>At 00:42 7/01/2009, you wrote:<=
BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">&nbsp;No problem! Use MCW!=20=
Has been typical for 500 kHz.<BR><BR>73 DJ1ZB<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;"M0FMT" &lt;m=
0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt; schrieb: <BR>
<DL>
<DD>Hi Mal and LF<BR>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR>
<DD>I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope detector. A tr=
ue CW man, I would have thought, should only entertain the use of a Cohere d=
etector!<BR>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR>
<DD>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a range=
 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a muc=
h lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.<BR>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR>
<DD><A href=3D"http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm" target=3D_blank=
 rel=3Dnofollow>http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm</A><BR>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR>
<DD>73 pefmt<BR><BR><BR>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR><BR><BR>
<DD>--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt; wrote:<BR=
>
<DL>
<DD>From: mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>
<DD>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR>
<DD>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>
<DD>Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM<BR><BR>
<DD><FONT size=3D2>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. No=
t info from the web.<BR>
<DD>g3kev<BR></FONT>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR>
<DL>
<DD>----- Original Message ----- <BR>
<DD>From: <A href=3D"mailto:riese-k3djc@juno.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofo=
llow>riese-k3djc@juno.com</A> <BR>
<DD>To: <A href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D_blank rel=
=3Dnofollow>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> <BR>
<DD>Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM<BR>
<DD>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR><BR>
<DD>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too<BR>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR>
<DD>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:g=
3kevmal@talktalk.net" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>g3kevmal@talktalk.net</=
A>&gt; writes:<BR>
<DL>
<DD><FONT size=3D2>Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while=
 back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportun=
ity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was used successfully&=
nbsp; at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.<BR>
<DD>Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to MF=
/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.<BR>
<DD>Build one and have a QSO using this RX<BR>
<DD>g3kev<BR></FONT>
<DD>&nbsp;<BR>
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GR-874 I haven't seen any of those for a while, but I can see how any 
description of them may be misinterpreted
Still I cant see what is wrong with what I sent, but what the heck.
For now the WSPR decode is on 502 dial, and will remain there until the 
weekend.

I would consider a dedicated WSPR transmitting beacon here (for attended 
use) with something like a PIC and DDS. GM6BIG is also writing similar 
software but for JT4 using the Softmark DDS board, timing from GPS.  A 
'small' transmitting loop may be practical , it would be very narrowband, 
but I could leave it up all the time, which I cannot do with my main 500KHz 
antenna. I have some nice big vac caps to tune it with  :<)
Some possibilities assuming we get the NOV extended.
Mark GM4ISM




----- Original Message ----- 
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> .........or GR-874 coax connectors!!
> Alan
> ----- Original Message -----
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>>Hi Mark, well at least your ISP does not seem to be blacklisted, because
>>some are still like Laurence who I think has had to use a different ISP,
>>because that mail got through. The spambots at some ISPs have been made
>>very
>>aggressive recently as a result of the "Child Protection pressure" The VLF
>>Group I sub to was rated as an "adult site" because on poster named his
>>design "Little Cutie" (It will be interesting to see it this gets through
>>!!) There have also been problems with some ISPs where a mesage has 
>>refered
>>to the gender of a coax connector !! You might find it interesting to
>>re-read you failed message for "double entendres"
>
> Sometimes the receiving ISP blocks all traffic from the sending ISP (eg
> att.net does not seem to like orange.fr nor wanadoo.fr and I have to use
> another ISP).
>
> Also be careful about how you describe a back-to-back pair of BNC sockets.
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John and group

Thanks for the reports - I'm following the WSPR spot database.

Transmitter power is actually 400 watts but that is not a choice in the pull down box. Wasn't aware 
it supposed to be ERP. When the program originally came out a couple of us on 137 and 500 were using 
transmitter power so I've just continued that. ERP here would be about 40 watts.

If you're interested, info on the linear amplifier in use can be found at 
http://www.w1vd.com/9505MF.html . For non linear modes I use a combined pair of Class D amplifiers 
at 1 kW. Info on that amp can be found at http://www.w1vd.com/137-500KWTX.html .

Yes...500 kHz is quite a roller coaster as far as QSB is concerned - both on the long and short 
haul. Transmitted WSPR about a month ago and got a few reports from EU but seems interest has grown 
since then.

Thanks again to all for taking time to look for the signal.

Jay


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR/2 in WSPR mode


>
> Chris,
>
> Great to see you're receiving Jay too, now we need the others to QSY
> up and join in, to get more data.
>
> I noice Jay you're reporting 500W - TX power NOT ERP presumably!
>
> That must quite a nice PA for almost 100% duty cycle at that power.
>
> I see some short deep QSB, dips lasting approx 3-4 minutes, and
> relatively long periods of up to 12 minutes of good trace/solid
> decodes in between.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
>
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:13:38 +0000
> Chris McCarthy <chris.decibel@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jay,
>>
>> I will retune my RX from 502.4 to 507.0 dial freq at about 2200Z.
>> Spots will be uploaded and appear at:
>> http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=&sort=date
>> It  be on all night.
>>
>> Chris, G3XVL
> 



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Captured strong signals:
XGJ
XKO
DTL
AGC
WPF
YO
NM

73

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:35:52 -0000
"Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Looking good at the moment John,
>

Hello Graham, LF,

Yes - I don't think I missed any periods, except of course when
listening elsewhere - hi! - so the new soundcard seems to have cured
the problem.

> What tx capability do  you have  re qso ?

None at the moment. The original class-E CW TX is out of circuit,
pending modification to change it to linear mode, and the ATU has been
removed from the antenna and a 9:1 transformer put in its place to allow
wideband reception on that antenna (specifically to allow me to go down
to 136 if necessary.

So at the moment, and for the forseeable future, I'm RX only. Sorry!

John

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Thanks Jay for the info. Some frost here temp 4 degs at present, and plenty=20=
of sunshine during daytime.
Are u the only stn active on 500 in QSO mode?
de mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Mal

  Sorry...TX antenna lowered to ground due to yesterday's ice storm and it d=
oesn't look like there will be any melting today. Will advise if condx chang=
e.

  Jay
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb=20
    Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:44 AM
    Subject: LF: TR QSO


    MF ops TR
    Anyone available tonight for a QSO across the pond. MF condx good at pre=
sent. VU stn(India) audible on 1820 khz at 1500 utc daylight here.
    It could be a good nite for 500 long haul.
    mal/g3kev



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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 08, 2009=20=
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Hi Jim, LF,

Not able to come on tonight, going out in a few minutes.

OK for tomorrow night??

Gary - G4WGT.

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Dear John, LF Group,

Oops! I was too busy posting the new frequency details to WSPRnet to notice 
I hadn't actually changed frequency yet! But interesting to see that with 
the rig, and the "dial frequency" box in WSPR set to 502.4kHz, and TX 
frequency in WSPR set to 503.5kHz, the signal actually did come out on 
503.5kHz. So although WSPR only receives in an audio range of 1500+/-100Hz, 
it will actually transmit outside that range. Might be useful to know.

BTW, Gary - it would be interesting if you could transmit - the carrier(s) 
on 504kHz are quite strong here at the moment, it would be interesting to 
see if that affects weak signal WSPR reception.

BTW, Ko - think you need to update the frequency in WSPR too!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

> And it looks like Jim's stayed down on 502 - being reported by Mark and
> OH8HTG.
>
> That'll please the nay-sayers - WSPR spreading all over the band!




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Hello Andy, LF,

I'm also monitoring for Andy's WSPR signal, by I think it's optimistic
to hope for reception at this range, in daylight, of a -6dBm ERP
transmission.

I will leave it running unitl 20:30z, when I'll QSY for Jay's overnight
tests.

Cheers,

John



On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:25:57 +0000
Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I have a QRP WSPR Beacon going on the usual 503870Hz frequency.
> RF power is 100mW which gives an an estimated ERP of -6dBm - needless
> to say the reported power in the message is therefore wrong.
> 
> Its operating at 100% duty cycle at the moment while the band is
> quiet - if anyone has probs, just give a shout here and I'll drop the
> rate.
> 
> The WSPRnet database is showing Jim's copy of it at -29dB S/N, which
> compares well with the transmission an hour earlier when I made some
> antenna tuning tweaks and confirmed max power from the broadband PA
> as 140 Watts. Jim's report on that was +2dB S/N.   31dB higher and
> within 0.5dB of expected.
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com


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Hello LF,

I'm also seeing what I believe to be M0BMU, but right at the bottom of
the "window" and not decoding, despite a very strong trace.

Jim. can you move up 50Hz or so? Say 503.550?

I'm off to bed now, 5:30 start in the morning, but will leave
everything on 502.100 kHz,

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV


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Jan 2009 22:03:03 -0000 "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi John, LF,
> 
> I have only seen partial traces of G0NBD & no decodes & I am quite
> close, Graham is about 50Hz higher than me.
> 
> My dial frequency is 502.100KHz & Tx frequency should be 503.600KHz.
> 
> 73
> 
> Gary - G4WGT
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Hello LF,
> 
> G0NBD has been received at up to -5dB here, on 503.637, yet no sign of
> a spot from anyone else on WSPRNET.
> 
> I wonder if it's because we're all on different dial frequencies?
> 
> Due to Gary using 503.600 RF I decided to shif up in dial freq to
> 502.100, which puts him in the centre of the 200Hz WSPR window, rather
> than right at the top, had I stayed on 502.000
> 
>


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ozero@hotmail.com">Laurence BY3A-KL1X China</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: LF: 137 NIL</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>I returned the Eastern China Grabber back to 137/500 at loc=
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=20
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  off for a little while whilst Im doing some NDB calibration for a couple o=
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JB
Good idea.
My psu for 137 rig is an ex garage jump start charger, heavy with big 
transformer and diodes about 20V and many Amps.
I need diodes for my standby psu also ex garage job !!

73 de mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" <weazle@hurontel.on.ca>
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Subject: LF: Re: rectifiers


> Hi Mal,
>
> I needed a "chunky" rectifier a few years ago and managed to find
> just what I needed at the local welding supply shop.  Most of the
> wire-feed (MIG) type welders have a monolithic high current,
> low voltage rectifier brick.  Good for 100 amps or so with a
> voltage rating of 50 or more.  The price wasn't bad either.
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
> Solar and wind powered
> Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
> EN93dr
>
> http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle
>
>
>


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I have a sig ( carrier with quick break ) on 138.830 ( dcf39??) that is 30db=
 above my noise and it keys a carrier with a break about every 10 seconds wi=
th occasional short breaks, something like NIST on 60kc. but slower...

What do I have??

Where is best QRG for collecting EU ham sigs??



TNX

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slower...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Dear LF Group,

The beacon is now up & running. I see there are 4 spots already on the WSPR 
database. That was quick!

There is noticeably more QRN tonight, so it will be interesting to see what 
happens.

Looking forward to further reports,

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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OK Nicolas,
Here till 22.00z the big level QRM. After 22.00z it is more or less pure.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


>Hello Andrey nothing on your grabber, i stop my beacon now.
>Thanx dear Andrey.
>
>F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP


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There is a photo of a GR-874 on GR1602 admittance meter in Feb RadCom's 
Antennas. They will be described in in more detail in March.


Regards

Peter, G3LDO
>
> The pic from Stewart shows a "cheapy"...... the "good" ones have a threaded
> "skirt" (whoops ....done it again electronic blue pencil at the ready !!)
> which seals RF leakage from the slots on measuring equipment. The beauty of
> them is that you can diassemble them and replace all or any of the parts. So
> it you get a knackerd one (OH dear !!) you can replace the broken bit and
> rejuvenate the kit.
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> Grumpy Ol' Alan G3NYK
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> ----- Original Message -----
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>   
>> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:37:35 -0000
>> "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> The GR-874 is an early GenRad "genderless" connector I am sure even a
>>> "young lad" like you will have seen them on admittanace bridges and
>>> old sig gens.
>>>       
>> Yup, the old "GR Oscillators" for UHF we used to have at work had these
>> connectors, never knew what the real designation was.
>>
>> John
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Dear Gary,



just a single decode here last night, but you've come a fair way=C2=A0with y=
our 2 milliwatts:


2009-01-25 23:12=C2=A0=C2=A0 G4WGT=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.503552=C2=A0=C2=A0 -30=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO83qp=C2=A0=C2=A0 +3=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.002=C2=A0=C2=A0=20=
DF6NM=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN59nk=C2=A0=C2=A0 1057=C2=A0=C2=A0 657=20


Also nice signals from G4JNT, and=C2=A0M0BMU reliable through the night.

My RX setup was a freerunning Degen DE 1103 (hence the overnight drift). The=
 input=C2=A0was capacitively coupled to the LF antenna, which is currently=
=C2=A0lowered to about 3 m above the roof.

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<div>Dear Gary,</div>


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<div>just a single decode here last night, but you've come a fair way&nbsp;w=
ith your 2 milliwatts:</div>


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2009-01-25 23:12&nbsp;&nbsp; G4WGT&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.503552&nbsp;&nbsp; -30&nbsp=
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Also nice signals from G4JNT, and&nbsp;M0BMU reliable through the night.<br>
<br>
My RX setup was a freerunning Degen DE 1103 (hence the overnight drift). The=
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Hi Gary, Jim, and all,

Gary wrote:

> Michel (F5WK) is now almost not seen on the WSPR & SpecLab display but the
> signal is decoding fine. With the current settings I have reduced the
> received signal strength but both are decoding no problem.
>
> Earlier in the evening Michel's signal was quite strong on both displays but
> no decode.
>
> I have set the Rx to SSB, 500Hz filter & external tuned  pre-amp to moderate
> gain. The antenna is Mini-Whip.
>
>   
Inspired by this, I switched one of the TS 850's IF filter from 2.7 kHz 
to 500 Hz, and centered it on 1500 Hz audio (which is possible in SSB 
with the passband tuning knob). Expected a better SNR because there's 
plenty of QRM around here, but :

(a few decodes with full 2.7 kHz SSB bandwidth) :
2128 -21  0.0   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37
2130 -20 -0.2   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
(now switched to 500 Hz audio BW, around 1500 Hz center)
2134 -26  0.0   0.137577  0 F5WK JN18 37

An SNR *drop* of 5 dB (for F5WK) within 6 minutes; don't think this is 
caused by "propagation".

Apart from that, I never had a "zero" offset for the DT parameter, so 
apparently Michel must have a very precise time reference. Or it's just 
coincidence.

Will switch back to 2.7 kHz bandwidth now to check if the SNR values 
increase again.

Cheers,
  Wolf .



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Dear All,

M0BMU is now QRV overnight on WSPR 136.0kHz dial, 137.504kHz RF out. I 
shifted my TX frequency up by 4Hz to see if that is an improvement w.r.t. 
Loran. Any reports very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Hi John P-G,

you wrote:
> The grabber image, updated every 5 minutes, is here:
>
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg
>
>   
Phew, what a beautiful clean "Loran curtain" ;-)
 Wish I had such a QRM-free place for reception somewhere around here !

73,
  Wolf
(still battling the local QRM.
 But the only chance seems to be flipping the ground fault circuit 
interrupters in the neighbouring houses... harr harr )



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I returned the Eastern China Grabber back to 137/500 at local dusk - it resi=
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iet tonight s/n wise loads of lines to be seen. Its 1316z and both DCF39 and=
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I returned the Eastern China Grabber back to 137/500 at local dusk - it resi=
des on 30m Knights during the day save when it gets used for work. Pretty qu=
iet tonight s/n wise loads of lines to be seen. Its 1316z and both DCF39 and=
 Budapest 135.43 are just audible.<BR>
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It will be and off for a little while whilst Im doing some NDB calibration f=
or a couple of vessels in the Yellow and Bohai Seas.<BR>
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Dear Andy, Dennis, LF Group,

Thanks for the PSK31 QSO and reports; it was nice to have signals that 
weren't down in the noise for once! I heard Andy testing and thought I would 
give it a try. I did see Dennis' signal at a slightly lower frequency, and 
wondered what it was...

Re the problem of the slightly wandering frequency - I did check this end, 
including looking at the off-air signal with an independent RX to see if 
some RF feedback effect was going on, but all frequencies checked out to 
within 1Hz, so that remains a mystery.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Jim,

This last copy was +11 db over the noise on Spectra Vue, Dog Bonze on the 
ARGO, audible, and @ 0217 was -18 0.7 0.503499 0 M0BMU IO91 30

Not too shabby.. Nice sigs @ Brant Rock near Alternator Station 'BO'

Gudday, Cobber...


Dave WD2XSH/17






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At 21.33 06/01/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Marco!
>
>Thank you very much for providing my bedtime sweets tonight :)
>Dennis
>dl6nvc

;-)

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Hi Marcus, LF.

I noticed the UNID DFCW carrier on your grabber this morning. It was not
visible at this QTH.

When I first looked at the signal, I thought it might be something like "CQ
HA5......K"  but upon looking at it again, I'm not even sure of that!

73 and Happy New Year,

Dave G3WCB IO91RM


  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Markus Vester
  Sent: 27 December 2008 12:50
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: Unid DFCW


  Hi LF,

  twice at 11:21 and 12:31 today, I caught an unidentified northerly DFCW
trace centered on 137703 - it looked like an attempted CQ with FSK working
but TX keying permanently on.

  During the morning, nice signals were also received from DL2HRE, a single
long dash possibly from DK1KH, and later RN3AGC and F4DTL.

  73 and best wishes
  Markus, DF6NM

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Marcus, LF.&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D964220012-010=
12009>I=20
noticed the UNID DFCW carrier on your grabber this morning. It was not visib=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D964220012-0=
1012009></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D964220012-010=
12009>When I=20
first looked at the signal, I thought it might be something like "CQ=20
HA5......K"&nbsp;&nbsp;but upon looking at it again, I'm not even sure of=20
that!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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1012009></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D964220012-010=
12009>73 and=20
Happy New Year,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D964220012-0=
1012009></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D964220012-010=
12009>Dave=20
G3WCB IO91RM</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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1012009></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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ma     size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
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  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Markus=20
  Vester<BR><B>Sent:</B> 27 December 2008 12:50<BR><B>To:</B>=20
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  DFCW<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi LF,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>twice at 11:21 and 12:31=20
  today,&nbsp;I&nbsp;caught&nbsp;an unidentified&nbsp;northerly DFCW=20
  trace&nbsp;centered on 137703 -&nbsp;it looked like an attempted&nbsp;CQ w=
ith=20
  FSK working but TX keying permanently on.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>During the morning, nice signals were=20
  also&nbsp;received from DL2HRE, a single long dash possibly from DK1KH, an=
d=20
  later RN3AGC and F4DTL.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 and best wishes</FONT></DIV>
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Andy,LF


WSPR can be configured to automatically uplaod its received data to
a website at http://wsprnet.org

The database has had a revamp recently, and the "default" view doesn't
allow you to select the LF bands specifically. However the original
database display, and the selectable LF band is:

http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190

I can't believe you haven't been watching this page avidly?! It shows
much more detail about who/where/when is receiving whom.

If you are also a receive station then ticking the "Upload spots" on
the WPSR software will automate the whole process for you, and allow
everyone to see what you're hearing too.


Cheers,

John




On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:14:11 +0000
Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Keep seeing mention of this WSPR database - feel a Google search
> coming on. Full locator is IO90IV,
>  or more accurately IO90IV58EI (using GBR36 mapping)
>   or   IO90IV58AH (using WGS84)
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/1/26 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
> > On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:28:19 -0000
> > "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> John, LF,
> >>
> >> I note that Jim's WSPR is showing 4 locator characters on my WSPR
> >> list but 6 on the spots page.
> >>
> >> Gary - G4WGT.
> >>
> >
> > Hello Gary, LF
> >
> > WSPR itself only transmits the 4-figures (eg IO90) but if you enter
> > all 6 in the options dialogue of the software (along with your
> > correct callsign, NOT K1JT - hi!)  then any spots you report to
> > WSPRnet will be tagged with your 6-figure locator (as a receiving
> > station). Furthermore it appears that the database at WSPRnet is
> > clever enough to apply that 6-figure locator to any spots others
> > make of your own transmissions....
> >
> > If you notice Andy's reports all show him simply as "IO90" - when
> > most other people are 6-figure accurate. I can only assume it's
> > because he's never sent a spot to the database as a RX station,
> > with his accurate 6-figure locator attached. If he did so then all
> > later reports of HIS signal would be 6-figure accurate too, due to
> > the database cleverness.
> >
> > Not really a problem, but it aids accurate distance calculation.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John
> > GM4SLV
> >
> >
> 


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Dear Nicolas, LF Group,

Unfortunately not much chance of copying you here, due to very large "rustly 
bolt" (oh no not that again...) intermods from the local AM broacast 
stations at my QTH.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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> Hello Jim i am tonight on 1838.040 kHz WSPR beacon with  2W.
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> eBay # 400022294251
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> That would make a nice 600m amp?
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> Mike
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Copy from Jim, but not Markus :-(

233159   8  -1  1.8   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23       

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM  

-----Original Message-----
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You're welcome Markus!

It's great to see and hear you at this distance.

The 23:30 transmission decoded at -15dB

I see Jim also is on the band now, at -12dB 137.500kHz

Cheers,

John


On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:22:23 +0100
"Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com> wrote:

> Hi John,
> 
> I'm certainly pleased to read that! Thanks a lot.
> 
> 73, Markus 
> 



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CHANGE OF MODE=20

OLIVIA HALTED

DOMINOEX-FEC    @ 900 HZ AUDIO

21-45 HRS

Tnx for reports=20

G ..=20


From: Graham=20
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:52 PM
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Subject: LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late=20



Running  data mode , DominoF and olivia  8x250  , wspr=20
power about 20  watts per mode ..tx set started  1630

502 khz - usb

using  two multipsk in beacon mode , frequencies  centre marker , wspr tone=20=
1550 hz=20

Dominof    1300 hz
olivia        900 hz
wspr         1550 hz (33% tx)

Never used the Domino system , looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250=20
same 3 lines of text for each.

Due to  tr switching problems , no rx=20

Graham
G0NBD
IO83LK=20




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<DIV>CHANGE OF MODE </DIV>
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<DIV>OLIVIA HALTED</DIV>
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<DIV>DOMINOEX-FEC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; @ 900 HZ AUDIO</DIV>
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o.uk   href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk">Graham</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Running&nbsp; data mode=20=
,=20
DominoF and olivia&nbsp; 8x250&nbsp; , wspr </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>power about 20&nbsp; wat=
ts per=20
mode ..tx set started&nbsp; 1630</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>502 khz - usb</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>using&nbsp; two multipsk=
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beacon mode , frequencies&nbsp; centre marker , wspr tone 1550 hz </FONT></D=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;900=20
hz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>wspr&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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(33% tx)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Never used the Domino sy=
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looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>same 3 lines of text for=
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each.</FONT></DIV>
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James Moritz wrote:
> Dear LF Group,
> 
> I will be running the WSPR beacon again tonight on the same settings as 
> before; 502kHz "dial frequency", RF out on 503.51kHz +/-, 1W ERP, 33% 
> transmit. It will be QRV from around 2200utc and hopefully run 
> overnight. As always, any reports would be very welcome.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
> 
Hello Jim
Copied some first lines, too bad qrl is waiting agn :-(

2154  -6  1.1   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2202  -4  1.1   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30

73 de Ko, NL9222











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Hi LF,

My thanks to all who uploaded reports of my WSPR transmission to the Spots
Page.

I was testing a new mixer for my linear transverter project.

Probably try some more demanding mode soon. Also need a bit more power.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: 24 January 2009 23:37
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Subject: LF: Re: WSPR Beacon on 503.5kHz

Hi Jim, LF Group
Fine copy on my grabber / WSPR decode, now I have re-centred the WSPR 
decoder. I had to change it last week to decode someone..
Interestingly  sometimes I am seeing an extra faint trace from Jim, almost 
exactly 100Hz up and it even decoded on one over. It is much weaker (at 
least 15dB down). An alias / mixing product on my system? or is anyone else 
seeing this?
I am not seeing any extra signals on the DI2AM beacon, which is  on average 
10dB stronger than Jim
Also getting occasional decodes from G4WGT
Cheers
Mark GM4ISM

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Subject: LF: WSPR Beacon on 503.5kHz


> Dear LF Group,
>
> The M0BMU WSPR beacon is now running on 503.5kHz again, hopefully 
> continuing
> overnight. Any reports would be very welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>


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 I was kinda suggesting that to start a new year in a better spirit we might just find that the "amateur radio" ethos of "self" (meaning yourself, myself, ourselves, theirselves etc.) training and experimentation was there to be rediscovered. I always believed that knowledge was as much a voyage of self-discovery as one of scientific or artistic discovery. Otherwise, why was the word "philosophy" coined. Those who know most are not by definition the most intelligent. 

73 de Pat G4GVW


 


 

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> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not already
> taken place on MF.

There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover". Wouldn't it be
wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
What an amazing gift.

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<div> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">I was kinda suggesting that to start a new year in a better spirit we might just find that the "amateur radio" ethos of "self" (meaning yourself, myself, ourselves, theirselves etc.) training and experimentation was there to be rediscovered. I always believed that knowledge was as much a voyage of self-discovery as one of scientific or artistic discovery. Otherwise, why was the word "philosophy" coined. Those who know most are not by definition the most intelligent. <br>
<br>
73 de Pat G4GVW<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Steve McDonald &lt;jsm@gulfislands.com&gt;<br>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
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<br>






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<pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>&gt; There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not already<br>
&gt; taken place on MF.<br>
<br>
There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as<br>
Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover". Wouldn't it be<br>
wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.<br>
What an amazing gift.<br>
<br>
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Thank you Ed:

Please continue to post your planned transmissions at the
136 KHz frequency. I cannot copy any TA stations at 137.777 KHz
due to the U.S. stations. 73:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN.
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 184.322 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35* 43' 54" - W:  84* 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr


--- On Tue, 1/6/09, Ed RU6LA <ed@dx.ru> wrote:

> From: Ed RU6LA <ed@dx.ru>
> Subject: Re: [!! SPAM]  LF: RU6LA's station setup
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 2:46 PM
> Dear LF enthusiasts and Andy,
> 
> KU4XR wrote 03.01.2009, 23:22 MSK(GMT+3h):
> 
> AK> I'm warming up all the gear to see if I can copy
> ED, RU6LA tonite
> AK> on 2200 meters. Does anyone know what his possible
> ERP will be in
> AK> this direction ??
> 
> TNX for the efforts!
> 
> My TX setup:
> Big vertical on the 135m high tower - ~ 60...70m  H eff
> valves PA - 80...120W Output
> Iant (current) in ant 2..3A
> 
> P(ERP)=0.00033 * A^2  (for 137KHz, by RA9MB)
> A=I ant*H eff, I ant in A, H eff in m
> P=~ 5...15 W ERP
> 
> Some details look on http://136.73.ru/ed/index.htm
> PA (new now) is connected directly to the electric system
> (without
> transformer) and compact
> 
> 73! Ed RU6LA   136.73.ru


      


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Lee, LF,

Yes, there does seem to be some problem with the reporting of your
distances - at least between you and me.

It's wierd to see Andt JNT reported to be nearer than yourself, as last
time I was there Harrogate was a damn sight nearer the border!

I'd send a message to W1BW who administers the database to reprt the
problem of incorrectly calculated distances.

The wine is flowing nicely, in front of a roaring woodstove in the
midst of a severe gale force 9 to storm force 10....

Cheers,

John

 


 On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:45:30
-0000 "Lee Hudson" <hudsonville@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Gary, Rik, John, Andy
>  
> That's the distance I worked it out at too.
> But interestingly 434miles is 700km as Andy confirms.
>  
> My Locator is correct IO93gx Harrogate, North of Leeds.
>  
> Do you see km and miles Rik?
> I have 1127km 700mi showing on John's spots.
>  
> Gary and I are within an hours drive.
> Certainly not the case to IP90gg, how's the wine doing John?
>  
> Lee M0LMH.
> 
>
> 


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Joe,

That might explain why I didn't hear you over night either. Or perhaps 
it was the -16 F temperature. Best of luck with your repairs. It's a 
hard time to be working outside but I and many others certainly 
appreciate your keeping VO1NA QRV.

73,
Garry
K3SIW, EN52, Elgin, IL

jcraig@mun.ca wrote:
> Hello Henny, Jean Pierre, Victor and LF Group,
>
> This morning I was alerted to a problem with the LF aerial by
> loud bursts of static duuring the news broadcast on the
> AM radio.  When the sun rose, it could be seen that the far end
> had become detached from the tower as a result of last nights
> strong winds.
>
> The TX will be off the air until this can be repaired.
>
> Thanks to all for the reports and kind words.
>
> 73
> Joe
> VO1NA
>
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, henny van elst wrote:
>
>> Hi Joe and All,
>> nothing seen Joe,
>>
>> henny pa3cpm
>> 73s
>>
>
>



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In a MAN'S world its ERP that counts, it is more meaningful for LF/MF and it 
complies with the licence criteria.
g3kev



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5


>I disagree - ERP is the licenced figure, and its what really matters
> in the propagation tests.
>
> WSPR only allows a few values, with several dB between them, and it
> really should be possible to get an estimat of antenna efficiency to
> that sort of value.   Rloss / calculated Rrad is easy enough to
> measure.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/25 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:24:23 -0000
>> "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.
>>>
>> Hello Gary, LF,
>>
>> I'm getting a fairly reliable signal from you, with just enough QSB to
>> dip under the decoding margin from time to time.
>>
>> As to power reporting, I see that most people on LF/MF are attempting
>> to estimate ERP, and use this figure in the beacon data.
>>
>> There was much discussion on the WSPR forum on the merits or otherwise
>> of this approach, in the HF sphere at least.
>>
>> It might be easier if we adopted the same approach as is recommended
>> for HF use - to report the actual TX power, not ERP.
>>
>> I see your last beacon is reporting 3dBm! Wow... that really is "flea
>> power". Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW
>> ERP from a large one.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John
>> GM4SLV
>>
>>
>


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Gary,

Thats  odd , I have a good signal from you tonight, decodes at range look to 
be normal
I am +50 Hz with  1550 Hz tone , same dial as you , 502.100 hz

G ..





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From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:03 PM
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Subject: LF: RE: G0NBD WSPR 503.637

>
> Hi John, LF,
>
> I have only seen partial traces of G0NBD & no decodes & I am quite close,
> Graham is about 50Hz higher than me.
>
> My dial frequency is 502.100KHz & Tx frequency should be 503.600KHz.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John P-G
> Sent: 18 January 2009 21:51
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: G0NBD WSPR 503.637
>
> Hello LF,
>
> G0NBD has been received at up to -5dB here, on 503.637, yet no sign of
> a spot from anyone else on WSPRNET.
>
> I wonder if it's because we're all on different dial frequencies?
>
> Due to Gary using 503.600 RF I decided to shif up in dial freq to
> 502.100, which puts him in the centre of the 200Hz WSPR window, rather
> than right at the top, had I stayed on 502.000
>
> This of cource means anyone using 502.000 won't see the transmission
> from G0NBD.
>
> Can we decide on a dial QRG?
>
> I am going off island first thing in the morning, returning TUesday
> evening, so I'll leave the WSPR setup running. Does anyone have a
> preferrence for which band would be most useful to watch for my
> reported spots?
>
> I'll set up for either 500 or 137 according to the requests I get in
> the next hour or so.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
>
>



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Hello Johan, James, LF,
Many thanks for the help! Yesterday WSPR-signal DF6NM
passed here from time to time much more strongly, than the day
before yesterday. But decoding still was not. I have installed WSJT7.
If again the result is negative, the problem most likely in a sound card
means. Though to this case without problems decoded any amateur
digital protocols.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


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Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> I already know all the answers.
> ...
> I can see now why noone could pass an examination except it was   
> multiple choice type with all the  answers in front of the canditate

Now it is official ... we are all stupid (except for one)

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MessageGood day LF whisperers,

here is an extract of what I'm currently seeing

1102  -5  1.0   0.137511  0 DF0WD JO42 27
1106 -21  2.9   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J
1110 -19  0.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1110 -22  3.3   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J
1114 -22  3.3   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J

It seems that DL3ZID is decodable but DT =3D 3.3 s seems a bit out of the of=
 the timeframe - you might try to set the PC clock to transmit 2 or 3 second=
s earlier.

Will switch to 25% TX here in a few minutes.

Best wishes - Markus, DF6NM

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: dl4yhf@freenet.de=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:47 AM
  Subject: Re: Re: LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning DF0WD &amp; M0BMU


  In addition to this..

  >>> At the moment (10:38 UTC) I can see a 3rd stn transmitting WSPR on 137=
.517 (-ish), but still masked by a carrier here,
  so only visible but not decodable.
  If the sender is reading this, I suggest to QSY 20 Hz up, or 30 Hz down.
  <<

  Mystery solved: It's DL3ZID, and for some reason the instance of WSPR runn=
ing here (at DF0WD) refused to send that spot to the database !

  1038 -10  3.3   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J

  Hello Eberhard, nice to meet you again !

  73,
    Wolf .

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good day LF whisperers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>here is an extract of what I'm currently=20
seeing</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1102&nbsp; -5&nbsp; 1.0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.13751=
1&nbsp;=20
0 DF0WD JO42 27<BR>1106 -21&nbsp; 2.9&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137517&nbsp; 0 DL3ZID=20
J<BR>1110 -19&nbsp; 0.4&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137500&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 27<BR>1110=20
-22&nbsp; 3.3&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137517&nbsp; 0 DL3ZID J<BR>1114 -22&nbsp;=20
3.3&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137517&nbsp; 0 DL3ZID J<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It seems that DL3ZID is decodable but&nbsp;=
DT =3D 3.3=20
s seems a bit out of the&nbsp;of the timeframe&nbsp;- you might try to set t=
he=20
PC clock to transmit 2 or 3 seconds earlier.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Will switch to 25% TX here in a few=20
minutes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best wishes - Markus, DF6NM</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=3Ddl4yhf@freenet.de     href=3D"mailto:dl4yhf@freenet.de">dl4yhf@=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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  saturday morning DF0WD &amp;amp;amp; M0BMU</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT=
><FONT     face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>In addition to this..<BR><=
BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;=20
  At the moment (10:38 UTC) I can see a 3rd stn transmitting WSPR on 137.517=
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  (-ish), but still masked by a carrier here,<BR>so only visible but not=20
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the=20
  database !<BR><BR>1038 -10&nbsp; 3.3&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137517&nbsp; 0 DL3ZID=20
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Hi Henny & others!

Happy New Year!

I see you Henny and some others observing the band for north american lowfer signals around 18xkHz.
That's amazing, at least to me...

How is it possible, that those very low power signals do make it through the overlapping sidebands of much closer by and very very much stronger radiostations (300kW from Hellisandur/Iceland on 189kHz and 2000kW Europe1/Germany on 183kHz? 

By the way, is there any chance to receive this Hellisandur 189kHz signal in western Europe? Havn't detect it with rather simple setups and indoor antenna so far, but it might be an interesting propagation indicator?

Greetings from Berlin
Dennis
DL6NVC





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> Von: henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>
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> Betreff: LF: 184khz

> hi Joe
> nothing seen
> henny pa3cpm
> best 73s

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RRR Wolf , perfectly arrived file, keep this key it could be useful in=20
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73 Jean-Pierre f1afj

Wolfgang B=FCscher a =E9crit :
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>  73, Wolf .
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Mark

This is getting silly hihi 500 mW to the aE .. and its decoded at or7t
the only thing next is the exciter direct as I cannot reduce the drive any 
lower !

G ..

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From: "Mark" <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk>
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>
> Graham,
> Your trace is just about visible on the WSPR spectrum display, but not 
> quite
> loud enough to decode. maybe it will improve later. I would expect to 
> decode
> you on the main antenna!
> Amazing what the low power can achieve.
> Regards
> Mark GM4ISM
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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>
>
>> Still looks to  be working at range .. outstanding !
>>
>> all I can do  next is take the drive from the exciter direct to the Ae ?
>> G ..
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:28 PM
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>> Subject: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok All ,
>>>
>>> Well   from what I can measure  , power to the Ae is  500mW at the 
>>> moment
>>> as of about 20-25 hrs ...
>>>
>>> Initial level was 30 watts  feed
>>>
>>> See what happens ?
>>>
>>> G ..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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How about that.....well done guys!!!! I am very excited about this....

Vernon - FN85ki


090114 2232   1 -24  5.9   0.137510  73 DE SCP/LN8PHG        0  7540   32
090115 0016   1 -26  0.2   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23           0    47    0
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090115 0046   2 -29  0.4   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23           0   355    0


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Could you move to 503.835 and see if the frequency separation between
you and Gary cures the decode failures?

yes  wspr seems to get a bit confused by the close track .. i see what looks 
like
imd from the two  close signals

.. Interesting night .. my wspr looks to  of had many false decodes
qrp  has mapped out the skip distance quite well ..

G4JNT is showing  10 db over the noise floor on speclab
looks good enough for a data qso .. with 2 mW erp ?

Power now at 100 watts feed for last 30 mins

G ..


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>
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:59:39 -0000
> "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear John, LF Group,
>>
>> Yes, that's me... copy is looking very patchy at your QTH tonight. I
>> see the others are copying OK, from G3XVL at around +12dB SNR, down
>> to the -20s by more distant stations, so there does not seem to be a
>> problem with the transmitted signal. I seem to be copying everyone
>> OK, except G0NBD - but there is a weak carrier here on about 503.950
>> which is probably QRMing him. You haven't changed PC by any chance...
>>
>
> Hello Jim,
>
> No, everything is as normal here - same hardware throughout.
>
> The waterfall shows your signal as bright red, despite no decode.
> But... there's always a faint trace just a few Hz hf of you too, not
> sure if it's being generated by you, or just coinicidence - nor if
> that's the reason that you're not decoding. I normally have no problems
> with you.
>
> The 32:14 period had a bright trace from you, but no decode, and a much
> fainter trace at 503.914 which decoded as G4WGT.
>
> Could you move to 503.835 and see if the frequency separation between
> you and Gary cures the decode failures?
>
> John
>
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If I recall correctly, in the early days of negotiation with the Radiocommun=
ications Agency in the UK, it was originally suggested that the RSGB should=20=
apply for an allocation round about 173 kHz with 5W ERP (to line up with the=
 ZL allocation?).  Time went by and we were asked for our views on an alloca=
tion around 88 kHz.  That idea was then withdrawn as that frequency was alre=
ady in use by another service (it was and still is used with induction syste=
ms for cave communications on 87 kHz USB). =20

Eventually we got 73 kHz.

Mal says "several khz up or down the band from 137 it is clear".  Not here i=
t isn't.  And if he, in Yorkshire, is unaffected by Loran he is very lucky.

John F5VLF
JN17vg


*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 21/01/2009 at 19:25 James Moritz wrote:

>Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
>I don't know... but it was probably the same as the reason for which the=20
>73kHz band was withdrawn at about the same time that all the utilities
>which=20
>had been operating inside or near that part of the spectrum were=20
>decomissioned ;-)
>
>Cheers, Jim Moritz
>73 de M0BMU
>
>----- Original Message -----=20
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>
>
>Does anyone know why 137 khz was chosen as an amateur allocation, in that=20
>freq area it is the most polluted part, clobbered at both ends by
>commercial=20
>high power transmitters...






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Dear LF Group,

Am now running the WSPR beacon again on 136.0kHz "dial frequency", 
137.500kHz RF out, 33% TX. I have temporarily raised the centre of the span 
of my antenna up to 15m (return of the cherry-picker) and tweaked the 
impedance matching a bit, so should have an extra 3-4dB of signal tonight 
(assuming the wind doesn't get up and I have to lower it down again). Any 
reports will be very welcome.

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Hello James,
capture in 22.05.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


> Dear LF Group,
> 
> The M0BMU WSPR beacon is now running on 503.5kHz again, hopefully continuing 
> overnight. Any reports would be very welcome.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU 
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Well atleast Mal hasn't seemed to notice the WSPR experiment tonight so 
all this banter has done something useful...

VE7TIL

Steve McDonald wrote:
> Can we not put an end to this nonsense? Who gives a rat's ass about razor
> blade radios?
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> VE7SL
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I too saw a quite strong signal last night which didn't decode. It was around
503.97 kHz and almost as strong as M0BMU, who was perfectly audible most of the
time. There was no "banana effect" on the waterfall so it was stable enough. I'd
guess problem is caused by a soundcard sampling frequency error.

73
Johan SM6LKM

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John P-G wrote:
> I see others reporting inconsistent decodes of you on the chat page at
> WSPRnet, so it's not just me.



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LOOK AFTER would imply Appliance. Assume you are looking after Shetland 
mountain goat.jpg.   If you can milk the goat or dehorn a goat that would 
promote you from Appliance to Amateur operator goat.
I am sure you understand the humour, its the best way that I can put it.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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> mal hamilton wrote:
>
>> Radio amateurs are at a disatvantage at present but could handle it, but 
>> appliance operators NO.
>> G3KEV
>
> A (very)small sample of the gear I look after, day to day.
>
>
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/bressaymux1.jpg
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/bressayrbstest.jpg
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/bressayuhf1.jpg
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/bressayuhfamp.jpg
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/bressayuhfcu1.jpg
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/bressayvhfamps.jpg
>
> Does this qualify me as a radio amateur or an appliance operator?
>
>
> J
>
>


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.........or GR-874 coax connectors!!
Alan
----- Original Message -----
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On 26/01/2009 at 12:04 Alan Melia wrote:

>Hi Mark, well at least your ISP does not seem to be blacklisted, because
>some are still like Laurence who I think has had to use a different ISP,
>because that mail got through. The spambots at some ISPs have been made
>very
>aggressive recently as a result of the "Child Protection pressure" The VLF
>Group I sub to was rated as an "adult site" because on poster named his
>design "Little Cutie" (It will be interesting to see it this gets through
>!!) There have also been problems with some ISPs where a mesage has refered
>to the gender of a coax connector !! You might find it interesting to
>re-read you failed message for "double entendres"

Sometimes the receiving ISP blocks all traffic from the sending ISP (eg
att.net does not seem to like orange.fr nor wanadoo.fr and I have to use
another ISP).

Also be careful about how you describe a back-to-back pair of BNC sockets.

John F5VLF







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Hello Dennis, LF!
Yes, it seems be very similar. Thanks for info about your observing. Last ni=
ght was really very good for receiving on 137 / 500kHz.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:08:38 +0100
> From: Dennis.Hennig@gmx.de
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> Subject: Re: LF: XGL_WPF / Iceland 189kHz / LF condx
>=20
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> Hi Lubos, hi LF group!
>=20
> I'm still observing the RUV Radio Iceland AM transmitter on 189kHz from ti=
me to time. Nice to get a propagation feeling for this path :)
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> qrb Hellissandur -> Berlin city JO62RM is 2505km
> rx-ant ab. 20sqm loop 10m agl
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> sample from "the night before" 30.Jan.9  0:12UT - 01:00UT
> peak Q4, qsb down to zero, unstable all the time
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> sample from "this night" 31.Jan.9  0:04UT - 01:00UT
> stable Q4, quite strong, only one "shallow" qsb for 2-3min to Q3
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> Seems to be consistent with Your observations.
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> Have a nice weekend
> Dennis=20
> DL6NVC
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> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:27:05 +0100
> > Von: Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
> > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > Betreff: LF: XGL_WPF
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> > Hello Warren, Anatolij, LF!
> > There were quite different conditions as the one night before. Morning R=
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> > window was  not strong, but one FB window around midnight UT.
> > XGJ is still running with low-power? UFB signal this night!
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Hello Dennis, LF!<br>Yes, it seems be very similar. Thanks for info about yo=
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r>&gt; Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:08:38 +0100<br>&gt; From: Dennis.Hennig@gmx=
.de<br>&gt; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>&gt; Subject: Re: LF: XGL_WP=
F / Iceland 189kHz / LF condx<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Hi Lubos, h=
i LF group!<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I'm still observing the RUV Radio Iceland AM tr=
ansmitter on 189kHz from time to time. Nice to get a propagation feeling for=
 this path :)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; qrb Hellissandur -&gt; Berlin city JO62RM is=20=
2505km<br>&gt; rx-ant ab. 20sqm loop 10m agl<br>&gt; rx simple TRF<br>&gt; <=
br>&gt; sample from "the night before" 30.Jan.9  0:12UT - 01:00UT<br>&gt; pe=
ak Q4, qsb down to zero, unstable all the time<br>&gt; <br>&gt; sample from=20=
"this night" 31.Jan.9  0:04UT - 01:00UT<br>&gt; stable Q4, quite strong, onl=
y one "shallow" qsb for 2-3min to Q3<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Seems to be consistent=
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gt; <br>&gt; -------- Original-Nachricht --------<br>&gt; &gt; Datum: Sat, 3=
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Quoting Andrey rn3agc <rn3agc@mail.ru>:

> Hello Markus,
>
>> Tomorrow at work I'll be in for some funny looks: Hey, and what did  
>>  you do since christmas? Well I spent a few nights to send four  
>> bits  to China...
>>
>
> :))
> Similar situations are familiar probably to all of us..

here is what I spent some time on for a change :  
http://www.deredactie.be/cm/de.redactie/mediatheek/1.444451

It has not always to be LF of MF ;-)

73, Rik  ON7YD

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On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:29:22 -0800 (PST)
"Steve McDonald" <jsm@gulfislands.com> wrote:

> > There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
> > already taken place on MF.
> 
> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right
> now as Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
> Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as
> he apparently does. What an amazing gift.
> 
> VE7SL / Steve
> 
> 


Except that Mal hasn't got DXCC yet for 500Khz, so obviously there's
one thing, and only one thing, that's worth persuing on MF....


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Gary,

Well that's a interesting point ,the data so far is that :-

Operators with correctly fabricated engineering elegant antenna systems and 
modest power levels have in fact crossed the Atlantic  with more confirmed 
'spots'  than those who are apparently by self  description running higher 
power levels to  more inelegant arrays , which when the array is  modelled, 
can be shown to  have extremely high angles of radiation.

On that basis it looks like  5 watts erp  from a inelegant array, though 
producing agc action  in the uk grabbers  will travel less distance than 500 
mW erp from a elegant array that displays at low level within the uk

G .

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From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
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>
> Hi John, LF,
>
> You wrote :-
>>>>>Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW ERP from 
>>>>>a
> large one.
>
> The main criteria here is that 5 watts to a large antenna would produce a
> higher ERP than from a small antenna so therefore the 5 watts would go
> farther.
>
> Question - would 2mW ERP from a large antenna go farther than 2mW from a
> small antenna to the same extent as the 5 watts to the different antennas?
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John P-G
> Sent: 25 January 2009 19:43
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:24:23 -0000
> "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.
>>
> Hello Gary, LF,
>
> I'm getting a fairly reliable signal from you, with just enough QSB to
> dip under the decoding margin from time to time.
>
> As to power reporting, I see that most people on LF/MF are attempting
> to estimate ERP, and use this figure in the beacon data.
>
> There was much discussion on the WSPR forum on the merits or otherwise
> of this approach, in the HF sphere at least.
>
> It might be easier if we adopted the same approach as is recommended
> for HF use - to report the actual TX power, not ERP.
>
> I see your last beacon is reporting 3dBm! Wow... that really is "flea
> power". Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW
> ERP from a large one.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>
>



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Gary
A shining example of what can be achieved especially by a disabled person .=20=
It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad light!!!!!! on MF/LF some class A o=
perators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I assume they are able bodied. It us=
ed to be that a class A amateur had an advantage over the general public by=20=
being able to converse in morse code, just like another language except it w=
as totally international.
Even a worse senario, a lot of persons today cannot write, the norm is to us=
e a keypad and send text messages using some abbreviated gibbirish, grammar=20=
is not required, sort of pigeon english.=20
G3KEV

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 4:21 PM
  Subject: LF: RE: Morse code lifeline


  Hi All,

  =20

  Here is a video on the above subject at this link :-

  =20

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm

  =20

  Cheers,

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT.

  =20


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  Subject: LF: Morse code lifeline

  =20

  Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009

  =20

  The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 2009

  =20

  Quote-" A Pensioner who is almost completely paralysed has learned to comm=
unicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.

  Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his 79=20=
year-old mother to communicate using her knowledge of the code."

  =20

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  =20

  73  Mike GW4HXO

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gary</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A shining example of what can be achieved=20
especially by a disabled person . It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Even a worse senario, a lot of persons toda=
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gibbirish, grammar is not required, sort of pigeon english. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
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  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 23, 2009 4:21=
=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: Morse code=20
lifeline</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
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l">Hi=20
  All,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">Here=20
  is a video on the above subject at this link=20
  :-<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><A title=3Dhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.s=
tm     href=3D"http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm">http://news.<WB=
R     title=3Dhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm>bbc.co.uk/<WBR  =20=
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itle=3Dhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm>7843705.stm</A><o:p></o:=
p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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l">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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l">Gary=20
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tyle=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPA=
N></FONT></B></P>
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  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</S=
PAN></FONT></B><FONT     face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US     style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A     href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEI=
GHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Michael Probert<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"=
FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 22 January 2009 19:21<BR><B><SPAN     st=
yle=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group=
@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A><BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"F=
ONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> LF: Morse code=20
  lifeline</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">Extract=20
  from British national newspaper dated 22<SUP>nd</SUP> January=20
  2009<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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yle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><U><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The Daily Telegr=
aph=20
  &nbsp;&nbsp;A British national newspaper.----22<SUP>nd</SUP> January=20
  2009<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></U></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D3><SPAN     st=
yle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
SPAN></FONT></P>
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yle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Quote=97=93 A Pensi=
oner=20
  who is almost completely paralysed has learned to communicate with her son=
 by=20
  knocking out Morse code with her thumb.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D3><SPAN     st=
yle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Alan Jones, a forme=
r=20
  BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his 79 year-old mother to=20
  communicate using her knowledge of the code.=94<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></=
P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D3><SPAN     st=
yle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
SPAN></FONT></P>
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yle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;End of=20
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yle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
SPAN></FONT></P>
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yle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">73&nbsp; Mike=20
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Rx : Perseus    Ant : Roelof mini-whip    Winrad ->VAC ->WSPR 1.01

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LF, Hello!

Many thanks to all that have reported and suggested so far. I will reply to=20=
you
later. I'm busy setting up and perfecting things at the moment :)

New QRG as suggested by Jim: 136.35kHz
New MSG to aid FFT reception: Id "VVV DE OH1LSQ OH1LSQ" in 12WPM + 2 9s dash=
es
(TT in QRSS3). Cycle runs once a minute.

When I'm confident the PSU makes it like this I can raise the odds by sendin=
g
full callsign in QRSS3.

Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ


Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> LF, transmitting now. CW on 136.40kHz.
>
> Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:
>
> > LF, Hello all!
> >
> > I plan to run a test transmission on 136kHz during Friday, Saturday and
> > Sunday
> > night. The setup is very preliminary/temporary and can not be left
> unattended
> > for longer periods. The unprotected ATU has to be brought indoors when n=
ot
> in
> > use. We expect cold dry weather for the weekend so it should survive whi=
le
> in
> > use. The estimated ERP based on tests made yesterday is only 20mW. This
> > figure
> > does not include absorption in nearby objects.
> >
> > Initially the transmission will be CW only but QRSS3 with CW ID will fol=
low
> > as
> > soon as I have the ON7YD keyer software and interface set up.
> >
> > Antenna: Inverted-L 15m high with 35m horizontal wire. 20 radials 5-25m
> long,
> > half of them terminated in 0.5m deep earth rods. Rtot estimated to rough=
ly
> > 100ohms.
> > ATU: Variometer + large loading coil
> > TX: Keyed 1W 50ohm DDS signal generator feeding a pair of parallell 807'=
s
> in
> > class AB1 trough a wideband 1:5 voltage stepup transformer providing 80V=
p-p
> > for
> > the control grids. Classic parallel tuned tank with adjustable coupling
> coil.
> > Power output is measured to 65W at 810V/150mA on the plates.
> >
> > Unless I receive other suggestions for the QRG that will enable QRM-free
> QRSS
> > reception for interested stations the frequency will be 136.40kHz.
> >
> > I can not receive on 136kHz during this test. I will inform when QRV/QRT=
.
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> > Vaasa / KP03SD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>




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OK,

Well I can only see the start tones at each side of the band.
Can here anything other than QRM.

But all yours signals are still decoding 100%.
Apart from 1 which broke, and I think you retuned the antenna or something
similar shortly after.

73,
Lee.


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq


Ok Thanks lee

Ive reduced to  10 watts peak o/p

G ..

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From: "Lee Hudson" <hudsonville@btinternet.com>
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Subject: LF: RE: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq

>
> Hi Graham,
>
> Receiving your CQ in IO93gx despite some strong QRM.
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Just downloaded fldigi to see if it worked,
> So far 100% copy on each transmission since 22:20z.
>
> 73,
> Lee Hudson
> M0LMH.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
> Sent: 02 January 2009 20:28
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> Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>
> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>
> I have just downloaded MultiPSK, and am quite impressed to be getting
> nearly
>
> 100% copy, in spite of your signal being only just audible, and having 
> G3KEV's very strong CQ calls just on the edge of your bandwidth. 
> Should be ready to try for a QSO in a short while, if you like.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:30 PM
> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>
>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>> centre frequency  503 khz
>> tx mode usb
>> power 30 watts tune signal
>> Will send for next few hours
>> Reports welcome
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>>
>
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:50:28 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
> 
> The WSPR beacon is now QRT - I'm giving the electricity meter a
> rest :-)


Thanks for running it for so many hours Jim,

I didn't get a chance yesterday to do much monitoring, but I set up a
grabber to watch for OH1LSQ, and have kept each 5-minute capture
showing the range 136.7 - 136.9 overnight - with some interesting
results.

I've just reset my RX to allow both WSPR and the narrow grabber range,
and discovered that WSPR and Spec lab will happily work together at the
same time on the same PC!

I have tuned the RX to 136.000, in normal SSB bandwidth (previous WSPR
tests have used a 250Hz IF filter centred on 1500Hz / 137.500). 

This allows the Spec Lab grabber to watch the same 136.7 - 136.9 window
for Paul-Henrik and WSPR to watch 137.500

Judicious adjustment was necessary, of the twin PBT controls to remove
the commercial QRM, but it seems to work okay.

Just need some WSPR transmissions to decode, to prove the theory.

The grabber image, updated every 5 minutes, is here:



http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV


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Thanks to Dave, and to all others who reported either directly or via the WSPR spot database. I will now QRT for tonigtht.

Good night everyone
 Markus, DF6NM


----- Original Message ----- 
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 How about that? 
 
 - simultaneous decodes from Jim and Markus!
 
 
 233159   8  -1  1.8   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
 233959   5   0  1.6   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
 234559   7   5  1.6   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
 234559   1 -24  3.4    59  0  DF6NM JN59 23  
 
 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM  



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Dear LF Group,

The M0BMU WSPR beacon is now running on 503.5kHz again, hopefully continuing 
overnight. Any reports would be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Henny, Lubos,
   Thanks for the reports and captures!

-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1


2009/1/27 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:
> Hi Warren,
>
> capture XGJ
> Henny pa3cpm
> best 73s
> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
> verzonden:
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Hi Andy, LF Group,
=20
I left my station running overnight with the PA outputting 16mW from
00:10-13:00.
This supposedly equates to -10dBm erp according to Ae efficiency
calculations.=20
But actual field strength tests still need to be made to confirm the
radiated power is anywhere near as high as predicted.
=20
Received consistent reports from G4FDD only a few miles away.
And a few longer spots from G3XVL and GM4SLV up until 02:32.
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Should be interesting to see what you get from your similar power.=20
Hopefully you will catch a few more stations for a better feel.
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Lee M0LMH.
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 31 January 2009 13:26
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Subject: LF: QRP WSPR beacon


I have a QRP WSPR Beacon going on the usual 503870Hz frequency.     RF power
is 100mW which gives an an estimated ERP of -6dBm - needless to say the
reported power in the message is therefore wrong.
=20
Its operating at 100% duty cycle at the moment while the band is quiet - if
anyone has probs, just give a shout here and I'll drop the rate.
=20
The WSPRnet database is showing Jim's copy of it at -29dB S/N, which
compares well with the transmission an hour earlier when I made some antenna
tuning tweaks and confirmed max power from the broadband PA as 140 Watts.
Jim's report on that was +2dB S/N.   31dB higher and within 0.5dB of
expected.

Andy  G4JNT
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Andy<SP=
AN  class=3D679112114-31012009>, LF Group</SPAN>,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial  size=3D2></FONT></=
SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I left my=20=
station=20
running overnight with the PA outputting 16mW from=20
00:10-13:00.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This suppo=
sedly=20
equates to -10dBm erp according to Ae efficiency calculations.=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But actual=
 field=20
strength tests still&nbsp;need to be made to confirm the radiated power is=20
anywhere near as high as predicted.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial  size=3D2></FONT></=
SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Received c=
onsistent=20
reports from G4FDD only a few miles away.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And a few=20=
longer=20
spots from G3XVL and GM4SLV up until 02:32.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009></SPAN><SPAN class=3D226515913-3101200=
9><FONT  face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Should be=20
interesting to see what you get from your similar power. </FONT></SPAN></DIV=
>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hopefully=20=
you will=20
catch a few more stations for a better feel.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial  size=3D2></FONT></=
SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial  size=3D2>73,</FONT=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D226515913-31012009><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lee=20
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T    face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org]=20
  <B>On Behalf Of </B>Andy Talbot<BR><B>Sent:</B> 31 January 2009=20
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P=20
  WSPR beacon<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>I have a QRP WSPR Beacon going on the usual 503870Hz=20
  frequency.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; RF power is 100mW which&nbsp;gives=20
  an&nbsp;an estimated ERP of -6dBm - needless to say the reported power in=20=
the=20
  message is therefore wrong.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Its operating at 100% duty cycle at the moment while the band is quie=
t -=20
  if anyone has probs, just give a shout here and I'll drop the rate.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>The WSPRnet database is showing Jim's copy of it&nbsp;at -29dB S/N, w=
hich=20
  compares well with the transmission an hour earlier when I&nbsp;made some=20
  antenna tuning tweaks and confirmed max power from the broadband PA as 140=
=20
  Watts.&nbsp; Jim's report on that was +2dB S/N.&nbsp; &nbsp;31dB higher=20
  and&nbsp;within 0.5dB of expected.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR clear=3Dall>Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<BR><A    href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.co=
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Dear Rik, Lee, LF Group,

There are 2 database pages; the "old" and "new" format. You can get to the 
"old" from the link at the bottom of the "new" database. The Old database 
displays distance in miles and km, but not the bearing. Using the old web 
page has the advantage that you can select the 2196/600m band option to show 
all LF/MF activity, an option that is not on the new web page.

The error in distance is not just getting km and miles mixed up - the 
database shows distance M0BMU > GM4SLV as 953km, which seems to be right, 
but M0LMH > GM4SLV (definitely closer!) as 1127km, instead of 700km as it 
ought to be.

The M0BMU beacon shut down at about 1000utc - thanks for all the reports 
overnight.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


----- Original Message ----- 
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Lee,

that's the header I see at http://www.wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots

Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Lee Hudson <hudsonville@btinternet.com>:

> Gary, Rik, John, Andy
>
> That's the distance I worked it out at too.
> But interestingly 434miles is 700km as Andy confirms.
>
> My Locator is correct IO93gx Harrogate, North of Leeds.
>
> Do you see km and miles Rik?
> I have 1127km 700mi showing on John's spots.
>
> Gary and I are within an hours drive.
> Certainly not the case to IP90gg, how's the wine doing John?
>
> Lee M0LMH.
>



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H'mmm...

that'll be spark, then?

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Warren Ziegler
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: NEHRS


Jim,

         It is the founder's dream to restore 500kHz as a maritime cw
traffic frequency.
Most likely, it will be contact other similarly licensed 'coastal
stations' and perhaps some 'museum' ships.
At this point it looks like it will operate from the founders (Steve
WA1HUD) home QTH pending the donation of land and other resources.

       I wish them well but remain somewhat sceptical about the project.
--
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1


On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:56 PM, James Moritz
<james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> Dear Dave, LF Group,
>
> I looked at the NEHRS web site but am not much the wiser about what the
> nature of their project is - do you have any other info?
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:31 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR
>
>
> NEWS FLASH
> The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF
> CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts...
>
>
>



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Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in parallel 
it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase 
continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running on 
the same pc in beacon mode

8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference signal 
and is not expected to  print as reliably

All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold .. 
about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in 
level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are 
resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.

Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels 
producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised

Running  3 mode beacon

Dial set   502 khz usb

1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz

1250 hz   psk31

1500 hz  MFSK  8

Reports  welcome

Graham

G0NBD

Io83LK 




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Uwe,

Which WSPR version are you using Beacon or QSO?
I only have Beacon version at the moment & no decodes here.

73
Gary - G4WGT.

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Dear Jim,
I did see your notice conc dj8wx at the WSPRnet site.
thanks.
73
UweIdj8wx

Zitat von James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:

> Dear Uwe,
>
> Am in the process of modifying my 136kHz TX to take drive from my 
> transverter - should be ready in the next few days.
>
> BTW, have been getting one decode every 4 minutes consistently here. 
> I have been trying to upload them to the WSPRnet database, but I 
> think they have to be in the  Callsign/Locator/power beacon format 
> for this to work.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>






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Gudday Mal,

Yes, I am @ FN42pb near Brant Rock, Mass. on the East coast, south of Boston=
 where Fessenden did his magic a hundred years ago, and have copied you seve=
ral times before as well as Jim, M0BMU...

Things in my favor for reception are being close to the perfect conduction o=
f the ocean, and use of magnetic loops for RX.

Things that are out of favor are constant QRN from power lines and weather,=20=
so I use phased loops and hope that the best noise null is not where the sig=
nal is coming from.

Soon I will have an e-probe WAY out in the woods to phase against the larger=
 loop and that maybe will buy me a few more DBs out of the noise.

Anyway, you were audible regardless of our snow storm conditions...

XSH stations cannot work outside of the country, but last night would have b=
een like an old fashioned EME QSO on the first pass...

O O O O  K K

TNX Mal and best of sigs from the Colonies...

Dave - AA1A - WD2XSH/17  ( the -10db guy )

www.radiocom.net/Fessenden=20


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:52 AM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Hi agn Dave
  After research I see u are AA1A in Main. You had fb copy on my signal, sur=
prisingly Jay saw nothing, although I had copied him OOO
  Can you TX for a qso if so let me know when.
  I often copy your signal on 500 khz audible and strong at times.WD2XSH/17.=
 We could possibly have a norm CW QSO.
  Tnx agn for the photos and report=20
  de mal/g3kev/IO94SH

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: dave.riley3=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09 AM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Mal,

    Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

    http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


    73s from Dave




    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
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    Jay
    Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and a=
gn 2214 utc
    It looks ok so far.
    mal
    g3kev


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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Gudday Mal,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Yes, I am @ FN42pb near Brant Rock, Mass. on the=
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coast, south of Boston where Fessenden did his magic a hundred years ago, an=
d=20
have copied you several times before as well as Jim,=20
M0BMU...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Things in my favor for reception are being close=
 to=20
the perfect conduction of the ocean, and use of magnetic loops for=20
RX.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Things that are&nbsp;out of favor are constant Q=
RN=20
from power lines and weather, so I use phased loops and hope that the best n=
oise=20
null is not where the signal is coming from.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Soon I will have an e-probe WAY out in the woods=
 to=20
phase against the larger loop and that maybe will buy me a few more DBs out=20=
of=20
the noise.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Anyway, you were audible regardless of our snow=20=
storm=20
conditions...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>XSH stations cannot work outside of the country,=
 but=20
last night would have been like an old fashioned EME QSO on the first=20
pass...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>O O O O&nbsp; K K</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>TNX Mal and best of sigs from the=20
Colonies...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Dave - AA1A -=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi agn Dave</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After research I see u are AA1A in Main.=20=
You had=20
  fb&nbsp;copy on my signal, surprisingly Jay saw nothing, although I had co=
pied=20
  him OOO</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can you TX for a qso if so let me know=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I often copy your signal on 500 khz audib=
le and=20
  strong at times.WD2XSH/17. We could possibly have a norm CW QSO.</FONT></D=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tnx agn for the photos and report </FONT>=
</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>de mal/g3kev/IO94SH</FONT></DIV>
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p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
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    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp;=20=
<A       href=3D"http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg">http://www.radiocom.net/K=
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net/KEV9.jpg">http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg</A></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>73s from Dave</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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Hello Jim, LF Group
as i have mentioned on the chat/sked wsprnet page i left my rx setup 
running overnight
this is a list of  your wspr beacon decoding
2226 -20  0.6   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2232 -17  0.8   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2236 -18  0.8   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2242 -19  0.7   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2246 -19  0.6   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2254 -21  0.8   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2258 -22 -0.7   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2302 -23  0.7   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2308 -23  0.7   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2326 -25  0.7   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2334 -27  0.6   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
0014 -26  0.6   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
0022 -27 -0.3   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
0028 -27  0.6   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
0034 -26  0.6   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
0104 -25  0.7   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
0116 -29  0.6   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
today  morning i saw  ( and i 've heard)  a strong qrm so all setup went 
off.
the last positive trace of the beacon ( -29dB) was at 0116 utc and as 
you can see it was gone after
assuming that you were running the beacon all night i  do not think it 
was such  a long ( and deep) fade  of the signal
so  ,possibly it had to be a local qrm which  made the decoding 
impossible for the rest of the night.
                                                                                               
73, peter, sq7mpj
qth: lodz,poland/jo91rs/



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Hello Jim i am tonight on 1838.040 kHz WSPR beacon with  2W.
 
F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP

Dear LF Group,

I plan to operate the WSPR beacon again on  503.51kHz +/- RF (0.502MHz "dial 
frequency") from around 2200utc. Any  reports would be very welcome.  The TX 
will be on 33% duty cycle, so if  anyone else wants to join in, I should be 
able to give reports  too.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Mal

If you can operate duplex like last time perhaps you should begin transmitti=
ng at 2200Z and I'll break in when I see your signal. You had better copy on=
 my signal last time. Unfortunately I can only hang around until 2330Z tonig=
ht. Frequencies are as you stated in your previous e mail.=20

Jay


=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
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  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:21 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Jay
  Sunset ur end  could be a good start time. I can work Russians sunset and=20=
before fm here across as far as UA9 es UA0 and ZL.

  73 mal/g3kev

    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    Mal

    Antenna is back up in the air here...but we're expecting a snow storm st=
arting mid afternoon running through tomorrow morning. Suspect static levels=
 will be high but will be happy to take a look...if you care to transmit at=20=
a specific time.

    Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: mal hamilton=20
      To: rsgb=20
      Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:46 AM
      Subject: LF: MF CONDX


      MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone avail=
able this week end.
      Temp minus 3 today so far antenna ok

      mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you can operate duplex like last time pe=
rhaps=20
you should begin transmitting at 2200Z and I'll break in when I see your sig=
nal.=20
You had&nbsp;better copy on my signal last time. Unfortunately I can only ha=
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around until 2330Z tonight. Frequencies are as you stated in your previous e=
=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">mal=
=20
  hamilton</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: MF CONDX</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sunset ur end&nbsp; could be a good start=
 time. I=20
  can work Russians sunset and before fm here across as far as UA9 es UA0 an=
d=20
  ZL.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV       style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: b=
lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Djrusgrove@comcast.net       href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@comcast.=
net">jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2009=20=
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antenna is back up in the air here...bu=
t we're=20
    expecting a snow storm starting mid afternoon running through tomorrow=20
    morning. Suspect static levels will be high but will be happy to take a=20
    look...if you care to transmit at a specific time.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp;=20
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      hamilton</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A         title=3Drsgb_lf_=
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gb</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 200=
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      AM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: MF CONDX</DIV>
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      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF condx vy good at present. Now is t=
he time=20
      for TR&nbsp;QSO'S anyone available this week end.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Temp minus 3 today so far antenna=20
      ok</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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Jim

Had a look at noon using an Argo QRSS10 screen and could not find a single
open area wider than 5.02 Hz anywhere in the band. All 5.02 Hz spaced lines
are plenty bright so they're likely a problem for WSPR. Guess the program
wasn't designed to co-exist with loran...

Jay

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: LF: Re: 136khz WSPR


> Dear Jay, Vernon, LF Group,
>
> Jay - Thanks for looking -  I can see that could be the problem!
>
> The WSPR signal has a bandwidth of around 6Hz, so the problem is finding 
> that much of a gap between lines. E.g. with the Northeastern USA chain 
> with 9960 GRI, lines should appear every 5.02Hz roughly, although I expect 
> some will probably be stronger than others. Can you look with Argo on a 
> wider setting to see if there are any 6Hz wide spaces, or at least areas 
> where the lines are weaker?
>
> Vernon - I'm afraid "SCP/LN8PHG" probably isn't a genuine signal, but WSPR 
> producing a false decode - this is fairly common when narrow-band QRM is 
> present, although only occurs rarely when just the band noise is present. 
> Because of the way WSPR encodes/decodes, it will usually try to format any 
> "gobbledygook" as a legitimate message with callsigns, reports, etc. You 
> can usually tell by the outlandish callsigns and locators. A pity really, 
> otherwise they would be pretty impressive DX!
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 



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Yes Andrey i retry next week end because snow in Paris and scheduled all =20
night long.
=20
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F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010

_http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20

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Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 05/01/2009 16:31:37 Paris, Madrid, rn3agc@mail.ru a=
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=E9crit :

Hello  Nicolas, Henny, Lubos, Marco, LF,
Thanks for the reports!

Nicolas,  you was yesterday very well visible on grabber DL2HRE.
Can will try to work  as a beacon all night long?
It is very interesting to me to receive your  signal.
I think, and not only me.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in  KO85SV





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Ok Gary,

Looks like we are not alone ... hihi=20

>>> on the road to linearity ... was that the one with Greta Garbo ? hihi=20




From: Gary - G4WGT=20
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:59 PM
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Subject: *** SPAM ***LF: RE: First Linear data qso G4WGT / G0NBD


Graham, LF,

=20

Thanks for "Flying The Flag" for me.

=20

I am very pleased to say the least that the transverter worked & that my ide=
a using the TS-440 to compliment the set also worked. Just need to iron out=20=
a few wrinkles but making good progress now.

=20

I would also like to thank Graham (G0NBD) for his help & advice during the c=
onstruction of my project.

=20

I will in due course continue the documentation of my project on the UK500KH=
Z web site :-

=20

http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz

=20

Good luck to others who venture on the road to linearity.

=20

73,

=20

Gary - G4WGT.

=20


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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
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Sent: 15 January 2009 23:08
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: First Linear data qso G4WGT / G0NBD

=20

First Linear data qso  G4WGT / G0NBD

=20

Congratulations are in order !=20

=20

Gary has successfully tested his home made HF to 500 Tx converter and 500 to=
 HF Rx converter this evening, utilising a TS440 as the primary driver and t=
he TS440 power amplifier , producing 20 watts on 500 Khz=20

=20

A good steady signal using PSK31 was received by myself  during a short exch=
ange of reports on 503.6 Khz .=20

=20

This now raises the number of station capable of transmitting all modes on 5=
00 to  three, notably each station deploying differing approaches.

=20

G0NBD           Refurbished Military and Marine=20

M0BMU          His own design Linear  class E system

G4WGT           Classic linear HF/MF  home made transverter

=20

G ..=20



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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Ok Gary,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Looks like we are not alone ... hihi </FONT=
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial>&gt;&gt;&gt; on the road to=20
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A   title=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tis=
cali.co.uk&#10;CTRL + Click to follow link"   href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.c=
o.uk">Gary - G4WGT</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 16, 2009 3:59 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A   title=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&#10;CTRL +=
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le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">I=
 am=20
very pleased to say the least that the transverter worked &amp; that my idea=
=20
using the TS-440 to compliment the set also worked. Just need to iron out a=20=
few=20
wrinkles but making good progress now.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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would also like to thank Graham (G0NBD) for his help &amp; advice during the=
=20
construction of my project.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT color=3Dblue size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN   sty=
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le=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">I=
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will in due course continue the documentation of my project on the UK500KHZ=20=
web=20
site :-<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">First Linear data qso&nbsp; G4WGT /=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Congratulations are in order !=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Gary has successfully tested his home made HF to 500 Tx=
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converter and 500 to HF Rx converter this evening, utilising a TS440 as the=20
primary driver and the TS440 power amplifier , producing 20 watts on 500 Khz=
=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">A good steady signal using PSK31 was received by=20
myself&nbsp; during a short exchange of reports on 503.6 Khz .=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This now raises the number of station capable of=20
transmitting all modes on 500 to&nbsp; three, notably each station deploying=
=20
differing approaches.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">G0NBD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;=20
Refurbished Military and Marine <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">M0BMU&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;=20
His own design Linear&nbsp; class E system<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">G4WGT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;=20
Classic linear HF/MF&nbsp; home made transverter<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P=
>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
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Looking good at the moment John,

Last decode at +8 !  frequency should be 950 , but i notice the
504 signal is showing 1 Hz  low on the wspr display ...  not much
I can do  about  that the rx tunes in 10 Hz steps and the tx in 100 Hz

What tx capability do  you have  re qso ?

G ..

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>
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:39:59 -0000
> "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Thanks John,
>>
>> looks like that signal would print rtty !
>>
>
> Yes. I think it might do, we should try one night.
>
>> wspr looks to  be ok at the moment .. only +1 hz
>
> Don't believe my freq calibration - the R75 doesn't have the high stab
> osc, and its internal master osc hasn't been tweaked - although it
> seems pretty consistent with the other spots.
>
>
> I've just tuned down to look for GW4HXO on 501.5 testing a new TX. The
> grabber has moved to 501-502 kHz. His CW is RST 539 in SSB
> mode/bandwidth!
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
>
>



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Andy and the Digi Boys
Would it be possible to move to 1.9 mhz and upwards and leave 137 and 500 
khz to the discerning CW radio amateurs
de mal/g3kev

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> Yes, can't work out where the frequency shift came from.  I did
> initially lock onto Jim's tramsission at the begining of each of his
> overs, so I would indeed have jumped in freq a couple of times.
> Subsequently 'Locked' the Tx frequency and Jim reported no more freq
> changes from me after that, although he did end up a few Hz lower
> still.
>
> I was using Digipan software which is a bit too QSO-orientated and too
> easy to shift frequency to follow others.  So it is quite possible to
> end up chasing eachother up and down the band!
> Perhaps it would have been better to use G3PLX's  'PSK31SBW' software
> which puts precise frequency setting first and QSO mode gimmicks
> second.
>
> Anyway, I estimate somewhere between -7 to -4dBW, and will only know
> better after some antenna base current measurements, rather than doing
> it an the end of 20m of feeder in the shack.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/18 DENNIS EASTERLING <dennis.easterling@btinternet.com>:
>> Monitored above contact Sunday 1530.
>> M0BMUs signal so strong that I thought it was Chris G3XIZ about 1 km from 
>> me
>> in Biggleswade testing RTTY at 23Hz shift.   Tried replying then realised 
>> it
>> was PSK.   Switched to Digipan and would estimate M0BMU strength 9 and 
>> G4JNT
>> strength 3 but  both perfectly readable.   I would confirm that G4JNT did
>> drift slightly between overs.
>>
>> 73 Dennis M0JXM
>


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Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have had se=
veral requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to submit a cct=
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r POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
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Hi all,<br>
<br>
We seem to have a problem with output. We could hear DK4U 539, OE3KM/1
with 549 and DL2HRE with 419 this morning, but nobody responded to our
calls.&nbsp; At about&nbsp; 11.00UTC we blew the last FET and had to QRT. I have
reordered them now and will beef-up the transmitter for next wekend.<br>
<br>
73 Heinz, OE5EEP<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dl4yhf@freenet.de">dl4yhf@freenet.de</a> schrieb:
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  <pre wrap="">Greetings all,

Just met G3XDV on 136.7 kHz in CW - thanks Mike - , now still waiting for OE5 or others to become audible.

I can see traces of what may be Heinz' CW signal on the spectrogram, but not sure.

No positive callsign identification in JO42FD yet.

Will keep listening for an hour or so.
QRM - mostly Luxemburg-type howling- is terrible here.

Have a nice Sunday,
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Got them both in the 23:46 period!

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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
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Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have had
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Hello Graham, LF!
I have never tested to decode Olivia mode. But I downloaded MixW and I will try to instal and open it.
It might be interesting...

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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Thanks Lubos 
 
That looks like a printable signal ? do you have a decode 
?
 
Graham . 




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Signal on 503kHz

Lubos, OK2BVG



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Hello Graham, LF!<br>I have never tested to decode Olivia mode. But I downloaded MixW and I will try to instal and open it.<br>It might be interesting...<br><br>Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS<br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk<br>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:44:51 +0000<br>Subject: Re: LF: OLIVIA<br><br>




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<div><font face="Arial">Thanks Lubos </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face="Arial">That looks like a printable signal ? do you have a decode 
?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face="Arial">Graham . </font></div>
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<div style=""><b>From:</b> <a title="bvgbob@hotmail.com" href="mailto:bvgbob@hotmail.com">Lubos OK2BVG</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 02, 2009 9:47 PM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> LF: OLIVIA</div></div></div>
<div><br></div>Signal on 503kHz<br><br>Lubos, OK2BVG<br><br>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:57 AM
Subject: LF: Re: RU6LA's acty 3-4 jan


> Ed
> I will be QRV on 502.57 khz  QRS 3 to start if u hear me pse call for 
> xband qso.
> Mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ed RU6LA" <ed@dx.ru>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:53 PM
> Subject: LF: RU6LA's acty 3-4 jan
>
>
> Dear LF enthusiasts!
>
> My best wishes and a Happy New Year to all LF/MF enthusiasts!
>
> TNX to all for QSOs, reports and captures of my last activity 13-14 dec!
>
> I'll work 3-4 jan on 137 KHz band
>
> In my plans is such:
>
> - I'll do a beacon for the East (ZL/VK/BY/UA As...) from 1330z QRSS60
> abt 137779 (sunset in KN97LN abt 1345z);
>
> - I'll do a beacon for Northern America (if my beacon is interesting?)
> from 23z QRSS60 abt 136319 (sunrise in KN97LN abt 0515z);
>
> - 2way QSOs in CW/slow (my freq 137703) from abt 19z till abt 23z
>
> I have very unstable Internet (GPRS) on the Machta ;-( - I can long
> not answer msgs
>
> 73! Ed RU6LA   136.73.ru
>
>
>
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James Moritz wrote:

> John - your lack of trees is not such a bad thing on 136k, where they soak 
> up a lot of your TX power.

Jim, LF,

Yes, on this point I'd agree, and it's probably why I did okay on
500kHz, up to a point.

However the lack of ANYTHING tall in the adjacent area makes it awfully
tricky to hang any respectable amount of wire in the air. I could run a
horizontal wire back the the chimney on the house, at about 8m agl, but
I try to keep wire as far away as possible from the house - a great
source of QRM.

My 8m vertical with a few sloping radials is tuneable on 500kHz, with an
efficiency of 0.5% or so, given the poor ground losses I have due to
waterlogged peat and rock, but on 136 I think I'd struggle to radiate
anything without resorting to some seriously high TX power - with all
the problems of high volts and general arcy-sparky that would ensue.

I did try the fibreglass pole at 12m but the severe weather soon saw to
that. At its reduced height of 8m it's survived all that Shetland storms
can throw at it.

To go much higher I'd need to excavate holes and form some concrete
blocks for holding guying points, and another for the mast base, and
then I might get 15-20m or so, in scaffold pole. A tower is out of the
question, for expense and visual impact. There's still nowhere for a
long horizontal top load to run to, and stay a sensible height AGL. All
in all, more engineering than I'm prepared to do, certainly at this time
of year.

Will look for more WSPR on 136.

Cheers,

John




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Jim, Michel, LF,

At last, I have played around with the Rx, filter, AGC & pre-amp settings &
I now have a decode of F5WK.

090117 2110  10 -22  0.0   0.137575  F5WK JN18 37            0     1    0
090117 2112  17 -15  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 2116  18 -13 -0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 2116   6 -24  0.1   0.137575  F5WK JN18 37            0     3    0

73, de Gary - G4WGT.


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Subject: LF: RE: OH1LSQ QRSS, F5WK WSPR

Jim, LF,

Good copy of M0BMU as usual. I am seeing F5WK on the WSPR display but no
decode?

I have no idea what the 1870 is near the bottom?

73

Gary - G4WGT.

090117 1752  29  -4  0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1756  30  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1806  29  -4  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1814  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1820  27  -4 -0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1824  30  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1828  27  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1832  27  -6  0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1840  26  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1848  29  -3  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1852  27  -6  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1856  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1902  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1908  20 -13  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1914  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1922  28  -5  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0  1870    0
090117 1928  27  -5 -0.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090117 1936  24  -8  0.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
Sent: 17 January 2009 18:21
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Subject: LF: OH1LSQ QRSS, F5WK WSPR

Dear Paul-Henrik, Michel, LF Group,

I just checked 136.8kHz, and OH1LSQ is a weak "M" copy signal here, just 
after dark. Will check again later.

F5WK appeared on my WSPR log at 1504utc, and has been solid copy since then.

In fact, the signal is audible here at about S3 or 4. DF6NM has also been 
copied until 1718.

I have now (1748utc) re-started the M0BMU WSPR beacon - any reports very 
welcome.

Cheers, Jim moritz
73 de M0BMU 





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Dear John,

Just put the TX back on for a few mins...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137 kHz WSPR tests



> Just need some WSPR transmissions to decode, to prove the theory.
> 
> The grabber image, updated every 5 minutes, is here:
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> John
> GM4SLV
>


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Dear John,

Can do, if you like... will need to wait until about 2000utc while I sort 
out some other things. Is that OK?

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Jim, LF,
>
> Are you, or any others, going to run WSPR again tonight?
>
> I am setting up for RX only mode on 136 and WSPR is a gread way to test
> and monitor things.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>
> On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:19:59 -0000
> "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear LF Group,
>>
>> I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/-
>> (136.0kHz "dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any reports
>> would be very welcome.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>>
> 



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Taking up 1 khz bandwidth in a 3 khz slot.
QRM GENERATOR

----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq


> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>
> centre frequency  503 khz
>
> tx mode usb
>
> power 30 watts tune signal
>
> Will send for next few hours
>
> Reports welcome
>
>
> Graham
>
>
>
>


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Ok Rick,

Well at the moment gary is reporting -8 at 22 miles in ground wave,  , the 
power meter is moving the width of the needle and the power must be round 
200/300 mW to the aE

Ive set 100 % tx as the rx is jammed with 100 Hz noise sidebands  and wspr 
is uploading 'odd' things hihi . but at this level dont need the pa fan !

I will leave it like this for a while .. see what comes back

Tnx- G ..

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From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
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>
> Graham,
>
> at 20:58 it was -19dB SNR.
> I have been able to decode as weak as -30dB, so 50mW would do the job.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
> Quoting Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>
>> Just had this spot from OR7T  ....  500 mW feed power  to  35 ft top
>> loaded vertical ..!
>>
>> 2009-01-30 20:50   G0NBD   0.503952   -21   0   IO83lk   +13   0.020
>> OR7T JO20ix   594   369
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:36 PM
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>> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae
>>
>>>
>>> Still looks to  be working at range .. outstanding !
>>>
>>> all I can do  next is take the drive from the exciter direct to the Ae ?
>>> G ..
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ok All ,
>>>>
>>>> Well   from what I can measure  , power to the Ae is  500mW at the 
>>>> moment
>>>> as of about 20-25 hrs ...
>>>>
>>>> Initial level was 30 watts  feed
>>>>
>>>> See what happens ?
>>>>
>>>> G ..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Thanks Lubos=20

That looks like a printable signal ? do you have a decode ?

Graham .=20


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Signal on 503kHz

Lubos, OK2BVG


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Mal - as ever its when I should be sleeping (like now) - from your dusk till=
 my dawn. Dawn here is around 2315z at the moment. Im getting UA4WPF on 137.=
78037 and 137.78045 DFCW appx coming thru well at the moment. Give me a wind=
ow and ill move down there, though long haul isnt that bright DCF39 being -7=
8 at the moment..
=20
Laurence=20



From: g3kevmal@talktalk.netTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate: Wed, 21 Jan=
 2009 16:32:02 +0000Subject: Re: LF: 137 NIL


Laurence
What is the best time for u to llsn for UK es EU. I will be QRV on 137.0 khz=
 later qrs3.
73 de mal/g3kev
=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:26 PM
Subject: RE: LF: 137 NIL
I returned the Eastern China Grabber back to 137/500 at local dusk - it resi=
des on 30m Knights during the day save when it gets used for work. Pretty qu=
iet tonight s/n wise loads of lines to be seen. Its 1316z and both DCF39 and=
 Budapest 135.43 are just audible. It will be and off for a little while whi=
lst Im doing some NDB calibration for a couple of vessels in the Yellow and=20=
Bohai Seas.  Laurence BY3A/Kl1Xhttp://kl1x.com > Date:

Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE=85more than just e-mail. See how it works.=20



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Mal - as ever its when I should be sleeping (like now) - from your dusk till=
 my dawn. Dawn here is around 2315z at the moment. Im getting UA4WPF on 137.=
78037 and 137.78045 DFCW appx coming thru well at the moment. Give me a wind=
ow and ill move down there, though long haul isnt that bright DCF39 being -7=
8 at the moment..<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence <BR><BR><BR>

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From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Wed=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Laurence</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>What is the best time for u to llsn for UK es EU. I=20=
will be QRV on 137.0 khz later qrs3.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>73 de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>I returned the Eastern China Grabber back to 137/500 at local=
 dusk - it resides on 30m Knights during the day save when it gets used for=20=
work. Pretty quiet tonight s/n wise loads of lines to be seen. Its 1316z and=
 both DCF39 and Budapest 135.43 are just audible.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>It will be an=
d off for a little while whilst Im doing some NDB calibration for a couple o=
f vessels in the Yellow and Bohai Seas.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Laurence BY3A=
/Kl1X<BR><A href=3D"http://kl1x.com/">http://kl1x.com</A><BR>&nbsp;<BR><BR><=
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Dear LF Group

The M0BMU WSPR Beacon went QRT at about 1000utc - thanks for all the 
reports. Best DX of the night was of course from WD2XSH/17 at 5245km, 
according to my software - thanks, Dave. Also good copy here of G4WGT last 
night and G4JNT this morning. It was interesting to see that both G4JNT and 
myself were being copied by GM4SLV during daylight.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Thank you Lubos!
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73 Warren K2ORS
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2009/1/28 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>:
> Hello Warren, LF!
> There was a lot of noise last night. I saw traces of "XGJ" and signal from
> UA9CS.
>
> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
>
>
> ________________________________
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The WSPR spots doesn't work for the LF band.
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Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 10/01/2009 19:18:06 Paris, Madrid, F4DTL@aol.com a=20=
=20
=E9crit :

Hello Uwe,very weak signal,correct decoding only one time .
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090110 1804   3 -27  1.1   0.135976  73 DE  DJ8WX JO43
=20
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F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: 10m LF vertical

_http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20



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<DIV>The WSPR spots doesn't work for the LF band.</DIV>
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  <DIV>Hello Uwe,very weak signal,correct decoding only one time .</DIV>
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  <DIV>090110 1804&nbsp;&nbsp; 3 -27&nbsp; 1.1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.135976&nbsp; 73=
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test


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Hello Uwe , Jame , LF

Nothing also

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj  JN06ht

James Moritz a =E9crit :
> Dear Uwe, LF Group,
>
> Nil copy since 2124utc - nothing visible on the spectrogram either.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
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>
>

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On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:36:56 +0000 (GMT)
M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> =C2=A0I will start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s.

This will test the CW rise/fall time shaping of all these class
d/e home made manual telegraphy transmitters.=20

It will also require that the CW operators remain below 12wpm.

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Hi Jay and Dave and MF=20
Now qrv 502.57 khz g3kev qsk for qso's.  Gale blowing at present but not hav=
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73 mal/g3kev

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Hi Andrey , Markus ,
Super your signal on the BY grabber !
Congratulations Markus !
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

Andrey rn3agc a =E9crit :
> Hello Markus,
> Accept my congratulations!!!
>
> 73
> Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV
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Final report, before going to bed.

2220 -16  2.6   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
2226 -16  2.6   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2230 -19  2.7   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2234 -20  2.8   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2256 -24  2.9   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2302 -20  2.8   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2304 -20  2.8   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2306 -22  2.8   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2314 -23  2.8   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2340 -25  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
0010 -26  1.2   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
0016 -27  1.2   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
0020 -18  3.1   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
0024 -17  3.2   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Dear Paul-Henrik, LF Group,

It would appear you have QSY'd to 136.35kHz at around 1914utc... Still "O" 
copy in QRSS3 terms.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Good evening dear Victor !
Many thanks , i hope to see you on 137 khz .
All the best to you and good luck !

Victor ua3pw.




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Alberto if you understood the dih-dah code you would think different, it is 
more skilled than an appliance black box, press button A or B etc.
Why does it have to be on 137 or 500 khz where both bands are limited to a 
few khz, try another amateur band where more space is available.
You will find the majority of DIGI box operators cannot send DIH-DAH on a 
morse key, that is why they are using digi boxes.

g3kev
----- Original Message ----- 
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> mal hamilton wrote:
>> Andy and the Digi Boys
>> Would it be possible to move to 1.9 mhz and upwards and leave 137 and 500
>> khz to the discerning CW radio amateurs
>> de mal/g3kev
>
> Please don't listen to Mal. I am much interested in receiving digital 
> signals
> on the 137 and the 500 kHz bands. Much more interesting than boring 
> dih-dah-dih.
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
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>


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Hi Markus & LF,

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Thanks to you & all who sent reports direct or as uploads to the spots page.

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Cheers,

=20

Gary =96 G4WGT.

=20

  _____ =20

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Markus Vester
Sent: 26 January 2009 10:38
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Subject: LF: WSPR 503.5 - G4WGT

=20

Dear Gary,

=20

just a single decode here last night, but you've come a fair way with your 2
milliwatts:


2009-01-25 23:12   G4WGT   0.503552   -30   0   IO83qp   +3   0.002   DF6NM
JN59nk   1057   657=20


Also nice signals from G4JNT, and M0BMU reliable through the night.

My RX setup was a freerunning Degen DE 1103 (hence the overnight drift). The
input was capacitively coupled to the LF antenna, which is currently lowered
to about 3 m above the roof.

Best wishes
Markus

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G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US  sty=
le=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fo=
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owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
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[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Markus Vester<br=
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 26 January 2009 10:38<b=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>just a single decode here last night, but you've come a=20=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
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2009-01-25 23:12&nbsp;&nbsp; G4WGT&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.503552&nbsp;&nbsp;
-30&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; IO83qp&nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp;&nbsp;
0.002&nbsp;&nbsp; DF6NM&nbsp;&nbsp; JN59nk&nbsp;&nbsp; 1057&nbsp;&nbsp; 657=20=
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Also nice signals from G4JNT, and&nbsp;M0BMU reliable through the night.<br>
<br>
My RX setup was a freerunning <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">D=
egen</st1:City>
 <st1:State w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place> 1103 (hence the overnight
drift). The input&nbsp;was capacitively coupled to the LF antenna, which is
currently&nbsp;lowered to about 3 m above the roof.<br>
<br>
Best wishes<br>
Markus<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Tnx Dave.
You do not say where u are or who u are so have no idea of distance.
mal/g3kev/scarborough

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Mal,

  Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


  73s from Dave




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  Jay
  Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and agn=
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  It looks ok so far.
  mal
  g3kev


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tnx Dave.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You do not say where u are or who u are so=20=
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Hi Mike,
> eBay # 400022294251
>
> That would make a nice 600m amp?
>
or at least an impressive shack heater. 140 to 160 ampere filament 
current ,  7.5 kW anode dissipation :-)
73, Wolf
 (temperatures about -17 deg celsius expected tonight, brrrrr)



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Hello all on LF ,

What it is this signal at 18:30z on 136,309 kHz
see capture .

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

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Congrats with your new antenna Joe,very good signal on this side!


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Dear LF enthusiasts!

My best wishes and a Happy New Year to all LF/MF enthusiasts!

TNX to all for QSOs, reports and captures of my last activity 13-14 dec!

I'll work 3-4 jan on 137 KHz band

In my plans is such:

- I'll do a beacon for the East (ZL/VK/BY/UA As...) from 1330z QRSS60
abt 137779 (sunset in KN97LN abt 1345z);

- I'll do a beacon for Northern America (if my beacon is interesting?)
from 23z QRSS60 abt 136319 (sunrise in KN97LN abt 0515z);

- 2way QSOs in CW/slow (my freq 137703) from abt 19z till abt 23z

I have very unstable Internet (GPRS) on the Machta ;-( - I can long
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No, but I don't see any reason why they won't work at 50Hz just as
well as normal ones.
In fact better, due to the lower Vf.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/23 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Andy
> Have you used these diodes in a linear psu
> mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:29 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: rectifiers
>
>
>> Quite likely Schottky diodes.   Much lower forward voltage drop -
>> typical 0.15 to 0.3V at rated current, and OK for fasr SMPSUs.
>> Reverse leakage can be very high.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/23 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>>
>>> MF/LF
>>> For interest, nearly every diode that I have tested varies one from
>>> another
>>> even a matched batch. I suppose normally constructers just grab the
>>> required
>>> number for a project and start soldering. Perhaps its not that important
>>> as
>>> long as they are conducting in one direction and offer some resistance in
>>> the reverse direction.
>>> mal/g3kev
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: mal hamilton
>>> To: rsgb
>>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:56 PM
>>> Subject: LF: rectifiers
>>> I have found some rectifiers MBR 6045 and although these would do the
>>> job, I
>>> notice the FORWARD/REVERSE resistance is a lot lower than normal silicon
>>> high curent rectifiers.
>>> de mal/g3kev
>>>
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Hi Marco!

Thank you very much for providing my bedtime sweets tonight :)
Dennis
dl6nvc



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> Datum: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:16:24 +0100
> Von: Marco IK1ODO <ik1odo@spin-it.com>
> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Betreff: Re: LF: Luxemburg effect?

> Dennis,
> 
> the Luxemburg effect was discussed here in 1999 and 2003 :-) - this 
> group has a long history.
> 
> I attach a ZIP containing several messages from that time; you will 
> find many answers.
> 
> 73 - Marco IK1ODO
> 

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If you have a radio with adjustable CW mode like most SDRs, and the
RA1792, its easier to use CW mode.  Tune to the centre frequency of
interest, set the filter appropriately and the BFO to the decoders
preferred tone.

For last nights listening, my SDR-IQ was set to CW mode, audio lower
freq 400Hz, upper freq 1600Hz, BFO 1000Hz

(You can set arbitrary upper/lower linits on the SSB filter as well on
Spectravue), but guess who initially fell foul of seeing 503kHz
specified and assumed it meant the same as the JT65A freq the other
night.  So, on seeing the tones not where they 'should' have been and
re-reading the email post...

Must get round to writing a WSPR PIC routine for the AD9852 DDS
similar to my existing JT65 beacons.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
> Tx bandwidth  and out of band signals ,
>
> Well after picking up the toys from around the cot and tidying up  the baby
> finally  fell asleep ,silence finally ensued, a little familiarisation with
> the way the radio works may help, just because the  rx dial  displays a
> frequency out side the allocated band, doesn't actually mean the signal is
> out side the band .. its all to do  with filter shape factor  and the
> placement of the filter .... bit like dougle asking farther ted, are all the
> cows in the field the same size as his little plastic toy one... no dougle,
> this ones in your hand  and those are far away , right ted came the quick
> reply .from a still confused dougle .
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:54 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq
>
>>
>> OM
>> Your transmission is outside the band limit, spreading to 504.6 khz.
>> I can see why OFCOM are concerned about stricter control concerning data
>> mode bandwidth.
>> g3kev
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:30 PM
>> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>>
>>
>>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>>>
>>> centre frequency  503 khz
>>>
>>> tx mode usb
>>>
>>> power 30 watts tune signal
>>>
>>> Will send for next few hours
>>>
>>> Reports welcome
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>>
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Hi Dennis it isnt called that by the professionals. Radio Luxembourg was one
of the strongest pre WWII BC stations in Europe and it gave problems in the
UK with stations further into Europe.

Try searching for Ionospheric Cross-Modulation or maybe ionosphereic
intermodulation. I had long discussions with Vaino OH2LX about this many
years ago before he became ill. One of the best researches was done by an
engineer at the BBC but I dont recall his name. I maybe still have the
references.  From what I remember the effect is roughly along a line with
the "victim" furthest from the receiver but very approximately the other
side of the "heater" (as one might expect)

Alan G3NYK

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>
> Hi Markus, hi group!
>
> Thank you Marcus for mentioning the "Luxemburg effect".
> Yes I had a rough idea that its somekind of cross modulation in the
ionosphere,
> when a strong signal is present.
>
> Now I want to know more. Using a search engine for half an hour, I'm not
satisfied with the infos.
> How does this interaction, modulation take place, where is the
nonlinearity?
>
> Do You know useful links or even a book to read about it?
>
> Thank You!
> Have a nice evening
> Dennis
>
>
>
>
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Hello Jim,

Thanks for the info. What is your actual ERP then, with the lowered antenna=20=
?
For comparison, a few SNR- readings directly from the decoder (at DF0WD; 200=
 meter wire):

0900  -7  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
0918  -9  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
0922 -10  0.3   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
0928  -9  0.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
0944  -9  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
0958  -6  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1006  -5  0.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1010  -5  0.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1014  -6  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1020  -6  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1024  -5  0.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1028  -3  0.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1034  -5  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1034 -11  3.3   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J
1038  -4  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1038 -10  3.3   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J
1042  -4  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1042 -11  3.2   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J
1050  -5  0.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
1050 -10  3.2   0.137517  0 DL3ZID J


Besides that:=20
DK1KH calling CQ in CW from JN58 at the moment on 136.537 kHz,
also just appeared: DL1EIE in CW on 136.7 kHz .

Guess I'll QSY soon, but the WSPR decoder at home (@ dl4yhf) will keep runni=
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Cheers,=20
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... this it what it looked like here at 20:18. Nice job with 20 mW!

73 - Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK

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Dear Paul-Henrik, LF Group,

Now building up to "O" copy...

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Please answer the question.  I did not ask if it could be used on 500 at 
present., but if so one would TX using MCW or Keyed Tone and old spy tric.
g3kev

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> Mal,
>
> I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector when I
> was 14 years old.
> It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor 
> detector.
> And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
>
> Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
>> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I
>> have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the
>> opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was
>> used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC
>> broadcasts.
>> Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable
>> to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these
>> bands.
>> Build one and have a QSO using this RX
>> g3kev
>>
>
>
>
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>
>


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Dear Jay, Vernon, LF Group,

Jay - Thanks for looking -  I can see that could be the problem!

The WSPR signal has a bandwidth of around 6Hz, so the problem is finding 
that much of a gap between lines. E.g. with the Northeastern USA chain with 
9960 GRI, lines should appear every 5.02Hz roughly, although I expect some 
will probably be stronger than others. Can you look with Argo on a wider 
setting to see if there are any 6Hz wide spaces, or at least areas where the 
lines are weaker?

Vernon - I'm afraid "SCP/LN8PHG" probably isn't a genuine signal, but WSPR 
producing a false decode - this is fairly common when narrow-band QRM is 
present, although only occurs rarely when just the band noise is present. 
Because of the way WSPR encodes/decodes, it will usually try to format any 
"gobbledygook" as a legitimate message with callsigns, reports, etc. You can 
usually tell by the outlandish callsigns and locators. A pity really, 
otherwise they would be pretty impressive DX!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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To assist with the preparation for the agenda item (1.23) on 500kHz at
WRC11, I'm looking to form a small working group within RSGB to help form a
consensus view within the UK.   The group's work will either come from
matters arising from the UK's International Frequency Planning Group /
Ofcom's AI 1.23 Coordinator, CEPT, or else from matters discussed within the
IARU Region 1 500kHz Working Group.

It's not entirely clear at this stage what will be asked of the group, but
it will possibly range from some monitoring, assistance with drafting
position documents and perhaps work in relation to technical studies
concerning protection to other services.  =20

I'm thus e-mailing this reflector as the most likely place where I will find
RSGB members actively interested in 500kHz, some of whom may wish to join a
small group to actively participate in, rather than just monitor, this work.


Please drop me a direct e-mail if you are interested in joining.

73 John, G3WKL
RSGB HF Manager

g3wkl@btinternet.com




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Its PAINFUL to wait and watch G4WGT and G4JNT for a DECODE. The trace from b=
oth stations is solid, pse try QRS it is much quicker.
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Hi Joe
capture vo1na
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s

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2009/1/26 Mark <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk>:
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I've just applied for an SRP for 501kHz, and noticed on the RSGB
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Hi Graham,

Receiving your CQ in IO93gx despite some strong QRM.

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk

Just downloaded fldigi to see if it worked,
So far 100% copy on each transmission since 22:20z.

73,
Lee Hudson
M0LMH.


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Dear Graham, LF Group,

I have just downloaded MultiPSK, and am quite impressed to be getting nearly

100% copy, in spite of your signal being only just audible, and having=20
G3KEV's very strong CQ calls just on the edge of your bandwidth. Should be=20
ready to try for a QSO in a short while, if you like.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
> centre frequency  503 khz
> tx mode usb
> power 30 watts tune signal
> Will send for next few hours
> Reports welcome
>
> Graham
>
>
>=20


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Hi All,

In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top part of
the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a 200Hz
slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.

My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 503.550KHz
data.

Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.

73

Gary - G4WGT

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John,

Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move to

the band edge without problems
clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down

With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a reasonable 
concept as it will allow other 'casual'
monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post needed 
to  announce a test !

What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or just 
sleeping ?

G ..



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From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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>
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>
> Oh no!
>
> Please let's not get into this again....
>
> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>
> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>
> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>
>
> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>
> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>
>



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DI2AM 505.180 Q5 on ARGO now @ 2143Z

Still very sunlit outside with 5 minutes left till sundown...

Yea 600M, more beacons please.!!.  SK6RUD has been much stronger lately on 
500.001kc.

Big wire loops are in...  I forgot to mention no need for lossy loading 
coils as another pro...

Cons anyone??

TNX de Dave @ WD2XSH/17  FN42pb





----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello LF,
>
> I find it strange that the number of grabbers active should be used as a
> measure of the conditions and activity levels of the LF bands.
>
> Surely died in the wool "real radio amateurs" - who eschew all operation
> except manual telegraphy - should care not a jot if anyone has a grabber
> online or not?
>
> If this is the "peak season" for DX then grabbers and other
> computerized aids should be superfluous, and the keen DX hunters should
> be rattling away on their keys having lots of real QSOs, not surfing
> the internet looking at online waterfall screens.
>
> It seems to me that those who run grabbers and suchlike can't win, in
> the eyes of the "real CW men".
>
> Those that provide these facilities are generally derided for spoiling
> the traditions of aurally received, manually sent, telegraphy with their
> computerized appliances.
>
> When these "appliance operators" apply themselves to other areas of
> interest, and leave the LF field bereft of grabbers, they are again
> derided for removing a useful tool for the "DX hunting CW man".
>
> Talk about double standards!
>
> John GM4SLV
> 



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Dear Jim,

I would agree on your conclusion. Theoretically, a marginal "M" qrss signal with 6 dB SNR in 0.5 Hz noise bandwidth would rank - 
34 - 3 + 6 dB = -31 dB on K1JT's scale, which is related to 2.5 kHz bandwidth. But the spectrogram impression may be a little 
"unfair", as a QRSS-3 signal with all the power contained in a single FFT bin would certainly appear brighter than this WSPR signal 
which is diluted over 6 Hz.

Kind regards
Markus, DF6NM

----- Original Message ----- 
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Dear LF Group,

The attached bit of spectrogram was set up for QRSS3 reception and shows 2
succesfully decoded WSPR transmissions from G4WGT at -30 and -27dB SNR
respectively. I think this shows that this mode should compete well with
QRSS3 for readibility.

So far, I have:

1654   1  0.6   0.503500  0 G4JNT IO90 30
1752 -28  1.0   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
1758 -30  1.0   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
1810 -30  1.1   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
1814 -27  0.9   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Henny, Jean-Pierre and Victor,

Thanks for the reports on the beacon over the past fortnight.

73
Joe VO1NA

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, henny van elst wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
> nil on the screen
>
> Henny cpm
> 73s
>


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Hello Gary, LF

090118 1714   8 -25  1.1   0.503599  G4WGT IO83 37 

First WSPR on 500kHz

Reporting to WSPRNET

Cheers,
John


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John,

Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move to 
the band edge without problems
clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down

With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a reasonable 
concept as it will allow other 'casual'
monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post needed 
to  announce a test !

What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or just 
sleeping ?

G ..



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>
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>
> Oh no!
>
> Please let's not get into this again....
>
> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>
> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>
> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>
>
> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>
> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>
>



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New page on the group,
please add any  missing info  etc if needed ..

 Eg   could add a short note on the stations running the mode , as it seems 
each has a
different means of generation which my be of interest ?

http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/wspr-activity-from-the-uk

tnx - G ..

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>
> Ok all I think that's reasonable ?
>
> I will add a page to the group  and post links
> in other news groups  to  it, should
> widen the reporting base
>
> From the recent posts
> I assume the beacon power will
> represent ERP ?
>
> I can make this statement on the page
> If it all go's base over apex , there is the 'delete' key option
>
> Rgds
>
> Graham .
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:11 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: LF: WSPR   502.400  Dial frequency ?
>
>>
>>
>> Are we to  adopt  502.400 Hz  USB dial frequency for WSPR ?
>> With  1500 Hz audio centre band tone.
>>
>> RF mid band   carrier frequency of  503.900 Hz ?
>>
>> With 6 hz modulation and phase continues  tone side bands and
>> guard band are  not a issue, the band edge is protected?
>>
>> 504KHz  and its sidebands are actually  x2 of the fundamental
>> so  should not present a problem as the 200 Hz slot is in a
>> close in, dead zone, there amplitude increasing lower into the band,
>> one of the reasons qrss and range testing takes place in this
>> 'noisy' zone.
>>
>> I will add a  note to  the uk500khz group and links in others  with
>> details
>> if
>> acceptable to widen the reporting base.
>>
>> Tnx-
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> G0NBD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>>
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Domino  data now qrt 2400 , will leave the wspr running for  a while longer

Thanks for the reports , hope the test was useful=20

tnx- Graham .. =20





From: Graham=20
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:52 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late=20



Running  data mode , DominoF and olivia  8x250  , wspr=20
power about 20  watts per mode ..tx set started  1630

502 khz - usb

using  two multipsk in beacon mode , frequencies  centre marker , wspr tone=20=
1550 hz=20

Dominof    1300 hz
olivia        900 hz
wspr         1550 hz (33% tx)

Never used the Domino system , looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250=20
same 3 lines of text for each.

Due to  tr switching problems , no rx=20

Graham
G0NBD
IO83LK=20




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<DIV>Domino&nbsp; data now qrt 2400 , will leave the wspr running for&nbsp;=20=
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<DIV>Thanks for the reports , hope the test was useful </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Running&nbsp; data mode=20=
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DominoF and olivia&nbsp; 8x250&nbsp; , wspr </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>power about 20&nbsp; wat=
ts per=20
mode ..tx set started&nbsp; 1630</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>502 khz - usb</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>using&nbsp; two multipsk=
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beacon mode , frequencies&nbsp; centre marker , wspr tone 1550 hz </FONT></D=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;900=20
hz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT   face=3DArial>wspr&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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(33% tx)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Never used the Domino sy=
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looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>same 3 lines of text for=
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each.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Due to&nbsp; tr switchin=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Graham</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>G0NBD</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Gary,
 
Should work.
 
My PC has zero RS-232 ports so I have to use them!
 
73,
Lee M0LMH.
 

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Hi All,

 

This may have been asked before.

 

Will a USB to RS232 adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware
interface. My PC has only 1 RS232 port & no empty PCI slots.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
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Gary,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>My PC=20
has zero RS-232 ports so I have to use them!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  si=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Lee=20
M0LMH.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  <B>On Behalf Of </B>Gary - G4WGT<BR><B>Sent:</B> 09 January 2009=20
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  RS232 adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware interface. My PC h=
as=20
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Hi Markus, Jim, and the group,

strange ... Markus' signal is so strong here now (after rotating the 
loop a bit) that it paints the WSPR spectrogram red, but decode took a 
while.
Maybe the decoder doesn't like strong signals, or the terrible local 
noise which you can tell from the SNR values.

2028 -25  1.0   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2030  -9  1.2   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2034 -23  0.9   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23

Will leave the decoder running, even though the trusty old TS 850 is 
only connected to an indoor ferrite loop antenna.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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  >...A QSO needs a minimum of two overs each for
full acknowledgement each way so at least 96 bits need to be
exchanged.   If no further overhead is used, the QSO could therefore
be completed in four days.


...But all this has been done before Andy, and time after time it has been 
shown that CW gives superior results!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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>At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
>indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>
>The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
>although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
>which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9

I agree with that.
In addition I would suggest to keep QRSS QSO's (lazy men's CW, very 
slow CW or wthatever called) also at one of the band edges. A strong 
QRSS signal in the centre of the band can block a good part of the 
3kHz segment during a longer time for weak CW signals.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T 


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Still looks to  be working at range .. outstanding !

all I can do  next is take the drive from the exciter direct to the Ae ?
G ..

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> Ok All ,
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> Well   from what I can measure  , power to the Ae is  500mW at the moment
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> Initial level was 30 watts  feed
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Good night .. 

qrt now 

G .. 



090125 2030  12 -19  0.9  10.140172  G4JNT IO90 23           0     1    0
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090125 2036   2 -27  2.1  10.140188  DE 4 L/XT2YJB RRR       1 12587   -2
090125 2036   1 -28 -1.9  10.140220  DE 4 L/XT2YJB RRR       1 12587   -4
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Ran WSPR all night with several uploads to WSPR web site.
Saw adjacent sig that did not decode.

Signal strength varied between -31 and -14 db.

While looking @ Spectra Vue, the signal was usually about  1-5db above the 
noise.

A fairly calibrated S meter showed S8 on noise level and now just this 
minute, 1225Z dropped to S1, don't know effect on such  narrow signal within 
that 2.5kc. bandpass.

This is good work.

Cheers

Dave @ WD2XSH/17


* Its time to melt down the CW keys for the brass, Mel.
Will even give you tuppence for your mare's old chain, we're buying old 
iron...






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Jay
I can see a weak trace on your QRG but no decode.
Now one decode
223200 3 -28 -0.8 -91 WE2XGR FN31 57
Now two decodes you are doing well
mal/g3kev

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> WE2XGR/2 will be transmitting in WSPR mode tonight starting 2200Z on a 
> dial
> frequency of 507.000 kHz.
>
> Reports are appreciated.
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>
>


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Jay
Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and agn 2=
214 utc
It looks ok so far.
mal
g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
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  Mal

  If you can operate duplex like last time perhaps you should begin transmit=
ting at 2200Z and I'll break in when I see your signal. You had better copy=20=
on my signal last time. Unfortunately I can only hang around until 2330Z ton=
ight. Frequencies are as you stated in your previous e mail.=20

  Jay



    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:21 PM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Jay
    Sunset ur end  could be a good start time. I can work Russians sunset an=
d before fm here across as far as UA9 es UA0 and ZL.

    73 mal/g3kev

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:21 PM
      Subject: LF: Re: MF CONDX


      Mal

      Antenna is back up in the air here...but we're expecting a snow storm=20=
starting mid afternoon running through tomorrow morning. Suspect static leve=
ls will be high but will be happy to take a look...if you care to transmit a=
t a specific time.

      Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: mal hamilton=20
        To: rsgb=20
        Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:46 AM
        Subject: LF: MF CONDX


        MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone ava=
ilable this week end.
        Temp minus 3 today so far antenna ok

        mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, f=
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seen 2207 then gap and agn 2214 utc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It looks ok so far.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Djrusgrove@comcast.net     href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@comcast.net"=
>jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:=
09=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX</=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you can operate duplex like last time=20=
perhaps=20
  you should begin transmitting at 2200Z and I'll break in when I see your=20
  signal. You had&nbsp;better copy on my signal last time. Unfortunately I c=
an=20
  only hang around until 2330Z tonight. Frequencies are as you stated in you=
r=20
  previous e mail. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
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lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">m=
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
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    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2009=20=
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V>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sunset ur end&nbsp; could be a good sta=
rt time.=20
    I can work Russians sunset and before fm here across as far as UA9 es UA=
0=20
    and ZL.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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ast.net">jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A         title=3Drsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org         href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rs=
gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 200=
9 3:21=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: MF CONDX</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antenna is back up in the air here...=
but=20
      we're expecting a snow storm starting mid afternoon running through=20
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 to=20
      take a look...if you care to transmit at a specific time.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp;=20
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t">mal=20
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        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A           title=3Drsgb=
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rg">rsgb</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2=
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        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF condx vy good at present. Now is=
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        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Temp minus 3 today so far antenna=20
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mal hamilton wrote:

> I have been looking around the various HF bands for NON MORSE acty 
> and find  that the old RTTY is the most prolific mode in use, it looks 
> like the use of other data modes are rare, perhaps more suited to 
> V/UHF EME work etc.
> g3kev
>  

Hello Mal., LF  group
i do not agree with you.  I guess if  you  had taken more time for  your 
watch of HF bands your conclusions would be different.
it is sometimes  useful to  extend time basis for making more reliable 
"averages " , hi.  in my opinion it is  PSK31  as  #1  these days.
Of course from historical reasons rtty  dominated in ether  for many 
years but  the last decade has changed it  when  DSP 
techniques came into play along with PC's in almost every house etc... . 
btw, rtty  as you know is based on a Baudot code known before
 radio waves were 'discovered' and used  to carry information . the 
popularity of rtty is based on the selfsynchronizing properties of the
 7bit Baudod code ( 1 start bit one stop bit + 5 bits for 
letters/nonletters dot, hyphen....)  it is not arq mode  so you can 
listen to it anytime etc..
like CW which is also  itself selfsynchronizing i.e you know very well 
when it is started stopped etc... PSK  works the same way -  from all
so called 'digital' modes it  is like a live qso with its speed similar 
to CW and so one and the selfsynchronizing properties due to the 
varicode of G3PLX
are great !  that is why , in my opinion psk31 wins these days.  my 
first psk qso was almost 10 years ago and i work mainly psk on HF bands  
tiill now.
 I  do think it is the most popular digi mode at present.

Dear Mal, here is one issue more ...
i do observe the ongoing discussion between you and others concerning 
the CW vs other modes.  in a moment i will add my comment to this
  but in the form of example of one of my psk qso which i will remember  
forever. it was  in the early 2000's  when the prop was not that bad
 and i had regular(everyday basis)  qso  with US stations at the 
evenings on 14 Mhz . it was an  american callsign - i do not remember  
it ( but can look into my logbook if you want)  but what i do remember 
he was 86 years old  , all time ( both his work and his hobby) a CW 
operator   but by that time he was deaf, completely deaf  and he told 
me" Peter, i can not use my EARS  i am a deaf person i can not use CW 
anymore but i can use my EYES and due to psk i still can enjoy my 
radiohobby"  - please, excuse my english but the sense of  the words of 
this old man is obvious.
so  at least two points are emerging...
1.  we have ears we have eyes  =  both human senses  can be used  to  
'read' the information which modulates the radiowave
2.  the dsp techniiques are more superior  to CW these days as far as 
S/N is concerned

                                         again, HNY  2009 , yours, 
peter, sq7mpj

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mal hamilton wrote:
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most prolific mode in use, it looks like the use of other data modes
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  <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">g3kev</font></div>
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i do not agree with you.=C2=A0 I guess if=C2=A0 you=C2=A0 had taken more tim=
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able
"averages " , hi.=C2=A0 in my opinion it is=C2=A0 PSK31=C2=A0 as=C2=A0 #1=
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Of course from historical reasons rtty=C2=A0 dominated in <i>ether</i>=C2=
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. btw, rtty=C2=A0 as you know is based on a Baudot code <b>known before <br>
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. the
popularity of rtty is based on the selfsynchronizing properties of the<br>
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letters/nonletters dot, hyphen....)=C2=A0 it is not arq mode=C2=A0 so you ca=
n
listen to it anytime etc..<br>
like CW which is also=C2=A0 itself selfsynchronizing i.e you know very well
when it is started stopped etc... PSK=C2=A0 works the same way -=C2=A0 from=20=
all <br>
so called 'digital' modes it=C2=A0 is like a<b> live qso</b> with its speed
similar to CW and so one and the selfsynchronizing properties due to
the varicode of G3PLX<br>
are great !=C2=A0 that is why , in my opinion psk31 wins these days.=C2=A0 m=
y
first psk qso was almost 10 years ago and i work mainly psk on HF
bands=C2=A0 tiill now.<br>
=C2=A0I=C2=A0 do think it is the most popular digi mode at present. <br>
<br>
Dear Mal, here is one issue more ...<br>
i do observe the ongoing discussion between you and others concerning
the CW vs other modes.=C2=A0 in a moment i will add my comment to this<br>
=C2=A0 but in the form of example of one of my psk qso which i will
remember=C2=A0 forever. it was=C2=A0 in the early 2000's=C2=A0 when the prop=
 was not
that bad<br>
=C2=A0and i had regular(everyday basis)=C2=A0 qso=C2=A0 with US stations at=20=
the
evenings on 14 Mhz . it was an=C2=A0 american callsign - i do not remember=
=C2=A0
it ( but can look into my logbook if you want)=C2=A0 but what i do remember
he was 86 years old=C2=A0 , all time ( both his work and his hobby) a CW
operator=C2=A0=C2=A0 but by that time he was deaf, completely deaf=C2=A0 and=
 he told
me" Peter, i can not use my EARS=C2=A0 i am a deaf person i can not use CW
anymore but i can use my EYES and due to psk i still can enjoy my
radiohobby"=C2=A0 - please, excuse my english but the sense of=C2=A0 the wor=
ds of
this old man is obvious. <br>
so=C2=A0 at least two points are emerging...<br>
1.=C2=A0 we have ears we have eyes=C2=A0 =3D=C2=A0 both human senses=C2=A0 c=
an be used=C2=A0 to=C2=A0
'read' the information which modulates the radiowave<br>
2.=C2=A0 the dsp techniiques are more superior=C2=A0 to CW these days as far=
 as
S/N is concerned<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 again, HNY=C2=A0 2009 , yours,
peter, sq7mpj<br>
<br>
qth: =C2=A0 lodz, poland /jo91rs/<br>
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Dear LF Group,

I have re-started the WSPR beacon on 503.5kHz (502kHz "dial frequency"). All 
reports will be very welcome. G4JNT is still QRV - solid copy here of 
course, with SNR plus a few dB.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Markus thanks - I leave for London tomorrow but Im going to leave the SDR an=
d grabber/upload running here in freezing Tanggu China. Its as an "offered"=20=
service and I dont know how long my pc, wireless, dsl, server will stay conn=
ected, but hey a certain well known law always is activated when I leave to=20=
or from a place.
=20
To:  I dont have my LF gear with me and end up uptop a 80 storey faraday cag=
e of hotel with access to the roof..
To:  I do have my LF gear with me and end up in a wooden framed hotel with n=
o earth, RF balun type flourscent lights, multiple SMPSU;s and no internet
>From : I dont leave the gear running and we have a marvellous LF opening say=
 a K3 event after a long quiet spell per Jan 2003
From: I do leave the gear running but the LF probe PSU catches fire or the l=
ocal authorities take down the antennae to investigate why the heck a baby b=
ottle is sitting atop a fishing pole...
=20
You can pick from any of the above but heres hoping it stays up for a while.
=20
Laurence
http://kl1x.com
Tanggu China OM89UA



From: markusvester@aol.comTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate: Mon, 5 Jan 2=
009 01:47:44 +0100Subject: LF: Re: other QRSS stations in jn49ax


Hello Marco and LF,
=20
the strong lower "Y" was actually my "NM", the real "Y" directly above that=20=
is RA3YO. Here is a list of frequencies observed this evening (Jan 4th):
=20
778.65  "RU"  RU6LA
778.26 /.36  "Y"  RA3YO
777.90 /778.00  "NM"  DF6NM
777.45 "WPF"  UA4WPF
776.22 /.32  "AGC"  RN3AGC
776.0  "S"  UA9CS ?
775.50  "WX"  DJ8WX
774.99  "DTL"  F4DTL
=20
As far as I could see, "RU", "Y", "WPF" and "S" were well readable at differ=
ent times on the Chinese KL1X screenshots. I was also pleased to see that "N=
M" at least managed to get a few singular dashes across between 21:55 and 22=
:13.
=20
Many thanks to Laurence for setting up his receiver and triggering all this=20=
activity!
=20
Kind regards=20
Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK
=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scholz, Marco=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:24 AM
Subject: LF: other QRSS stations in jn49ax


Hello,
also good copy of AGC and very strong Y ~1.7Hz above agc. Not sure if the si=
gnal above the Y is RU in a slower mode as QRSS60?
good night, vy73
Marco
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Markus thanks - I leave for London tomorrow but Im going to leave the SDR an=
d grabber/upload running here in freezing Tanggu China. Its as an "offered"=20=
service and I dont know how long my pc, wireless, dsl, server will stay conn=
ected, but hey a certain well known law always is activated when I leave to=20=
or from a place.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
To:&nbsp; I dont have my LF gear with me and end up uptop a 80 storey farada=
y cage of hotel with access to the roof..<BR>
To:&nbsp; I do have my LF gear with me and end up in a wooden framed hotel w=
ith no earth, RF balun type flourscent lights, multiple SMPSU;s and no inter=
net<BR>
>From : I dont leave the gear running and we have a marvellous LF opening say=
 a K3 event after a long quiet spell per Jan 2003<BR>
From: I do leave the gear running but the LF probe PSU catches fire or the l=
ocal authorities take down the antennae to investigate why the heck a baby b=
ottle is sitting atop a fishing pole...<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
You can pick from any of the above but heres hoping it stays up for a while.=
<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence<BR>
<A href=3D"http://kl1x.com">http://kl1x.com</A><BR>
Tanggu China OM89UA<BR><BR><BR>

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From: markusvester@aol.com<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Mon,=
 5 Jan 2009 01:47:44 +0100<BR>Subject: LF: Re: other QRSS stations in jn49ax=
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<DIV>Hello Marco and LF,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>the strong lower "Y" was actually my "NM", the real "Y"&nbsp;directly a=
bove that is RA3YO.&nbsp;Here is a list of frequencies observed&nbsp;this ev=
ening (Jan 4th):</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>778.65&nbsp; "RU" &nbsp;RU6LA</DIV>
<DIV>778.26 /.36&nbsp; "Y" &nbsp;RA3YO</DIV>
<DIV>777.90 /778.00&nbsp; "NM"&nbsp; DF6NM</DIV>
<DIV>777.45 "WPF"&nbsp; UA4WPF</DIV>
<DIV>776.22 /.32 &nbsp;"AGC"&nbsp; RN3AGC</DIV>
<DIV>776.0&nbsp; "S"&nbsp; UA9CS ?</DIV>
<DIV>775.50&nbsp; "WX"&nbsp; DJ8WX</DIV>
<DIV>774.99&nbsp; "DTL"&nbsp; F4DTL</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>As far as I could see, "RU", "Y", "WPF" and "S" were well readable&nbsp=
;at different times on the Chinese KL1X screenshots.&nbsp;I was also&nbsp;pl=
eased to see that "NM" at least managed to&nbsp;get&nbsp;a few singular dash=
es&nbsp;across between 21:55 and 22:13.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Many thanks to Laurence for setting up his receiver and triggering all=20=
this activity!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Kind regards </DIV>
<DIV>Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: other QRSS stations in j=
n49ax</DIV>
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<SPAN class=3DEC_509531923-04012009>Hello,</SPAN><BR>
<SPAN class=3DEC_509531923-04012009>also good copy of AGC and very strong Y=20=
~1.7Hz above agc. Not sure if the signal above the Y is RU in a slower mode=20=
as QRSS60?</SPAN><BR>
<SPAN class=3DEC_509531923-04012009></SPAN><SPAN class=3DEC_509531923-040120=
09>good night, vy73</SPAN><BR>
<SPAN class=3DEC_509531923-04012009>Marco</SPAN><BR>
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Hi Dave,

Except from trying WSPR (the standalone GUI version) a few times on 
shortwave and LF, I can only tell you that..
 - it's very important to sync the local PC time accurately - but sure 
that's not the problem here
 - the soundcard's sampling rate may be a problem: The WSPR GUI uses 
12000 samples/second, which is a bit exotic,
   and some soundcards/drivers have a problem with this (and deliver a 
inaccurate sampling rate which causes problems in WSPR)
- the receiver's frequency drift must be low enough (a Hz per 2-minute 
interval already degrades decoding).
   Not a real problem unless your receiver is a converter, moving the LF 
signal to a higher shortwave frequency
    (I've seen a signal on 30 or 40 meter from italy, which was very 
strong, but almost unreadable due to the drift)

Does Jim's signal draw a "red" stripe on the WSPR spectrogram (I think 
it should) ? If not, the audio level may be too low.

HTH, cheers,
   Wolf .

Dave G3WCB schrieb:
> Hi Jim, LF.  
>
> Sadly no decodes from M0BMU or DF6NM on 136 last night.
> M0BMU was clearly audible and was showing on the waterfall display.
>
> I'm using WSPR 1.01_r1023, and it worked fine on 500kHz the other day.
>
> Am I doing something wrong? (well, yes, obviously, but what!)
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>   



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Walter guten tag
No problem to copi ur signal vy strong here with my antenna system.
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  Subject: LF: weak signal


  Here is the weak signal for Mal. DI2AG on 505.090 beaconing.
  73   Walter  DI2AG / DJ2LF



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Walter guten tag</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No problem to copi ur signal vy strong here=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 gl de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: weak signal</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here is the weak signal for Mal. DI2AG on=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter&nbsp; DI2AG /=20
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Dear Mal, LF Group,

Distributors like RS components and Farnell stock diodes and rectifiers 
rated up to 1000A or more. Careful you read the data sheets though - 
conditions apply regarding current and temperature, waveform and so forth.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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Does anyone know a source for hi current rectifiers. ie 50 - 100A at low 
voltage around 25- 50V
So far I have only found low current high voltage devices on Internet.
de mal/g3kev




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Hello James, Markus, Hans-Joachim,
Thanks for an explanation. I am surprised, how I have not guessed that it CW-QSO:)
Markus, thanks for a screenshot!
I congratulate all LF'ers happy New Year!

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Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


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Hello Joe , LF ,

Good "VO" copy of VO1NA beacon last night .

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj







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Congrats to Steve for pulling this off!
5000 Watts WOW ! ! !
I

I still wonder why ARRL settled for 20W ERP !

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Hello all  ,

What "O" on 137778.35 ???
see on the grabber :
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RX : Icom IC7400
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Coastal stations are still running, well XSG on A1A is anyway on 522.5 kHz =20=
- Im not sure of the power Shanghai radio puts out but from field measuremen=
ts its probably in the 1Kw range.
=20
Laurence  - stuck in Singapore....








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Subject: LF: Re: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR




That is a more sensible power for MF. Coastal stns were running in excess of=
 this power and ships between 1 - 2 kw so whats new.
Radio amateurs are at a disatvantage at present but could handle it, but app=
liance operators NO.
G3KEV
=20
=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: dave.riley3=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: LF: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR




NEWS FLASH
The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF=20
CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts.
Hope some of you guys get your T2 license to run the station after=20
construction. As soon as the snow melts and temperatures rise a bit the=20
large vertical will be errected. My QTH can only be temporary so we=20
must find a permanent home ASAP.

73, Steve

WA1HUD

President NEHRS, Inc.
http://nehrs.net/default.aspx

----- Original Message -----=20
From: mal hamilton=20
To: rsgb=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:15 AM
Subject: LF: PROPAGATION WSPR


On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation as sugge=
sted by some. Two procedures are required with the mode. First it has to be=20=
detected then analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. Morse=20=
sent in the QRS mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot only requ=
ires one procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a good indicati=
on of propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.
=20
I have pointed out recently that I have observed all of the traces from thos=
e transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been directly keyed in QRS mode an I=
D or intellegence would have been conveyed, whereas only part of the time wa=
s the signals decoded in wspr. For those viewing the print format only and g=
etting no copy would never know whether the signall was being received or if=
 it was faulty sampling and decoding.=20
=20
Cut out the second procedure of decoding, avoid ambiguity and use the slow k=
eyed carried method using morse code or murray code. A waterfall display and=
 the EYE is a very sensitive detector,=20
For those experimenting with data modes have fun but todate in the amateur r=
adio LF/MF context nothing yet has surpassed the use of slow morse keyed at=20=
a speed to suit one's needs ie propagation studies or communication between=20=
two stations.
mal/g3kev
=20






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The " DELETE " button !!!  73 all:

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Have you looked at Farnell, Mal?  There are several pages of rectifiers=20
in their catalogue.  Perhaps 365-932 might fit the bill. It is 70A with=20
max 100V.  But there are others.


In a recent message, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote ...
>Does anyone know a source for hi current rectifiers. ie 50 - 100A at
>low voltage around 25- 50V
>So far I have only found low current high voltage=A0devices on Internet.
>de mal/g3kev
>=A0
>=A0
73
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David G4DMP/G3KEP
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Dear Gary,

Should be fine with me - I expect someone will still be broadcasting on 
252kHz tomorrow!

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Hi Graham -=20

Make that 4! I've modified my TS850 to generate SSB at 500 kHz and use a hom=
ebrew linear PA to produce 30 watts peak RF.

Have been off air for a while during a shack rebuild and broken aerial but a=
m back in business.

Brian - G3YKB

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Howdy Mal,

On tonight @ 22Z do you mean 502.51 or .57??

Yes, Merv and I went through 10ghz and laser home brew together and had good=
 QSOs on each band, 10.368ghz. and 474thz.

I was very surprized to hear of his passing...  Good man...

As far as 2X QSO, I will be put in to the penalty box if I break the rules,=20=
but we could exchange 'captures' on 7033 afterwards??

Too many rules and not enuf real work...  Scribes and Pharisees, they're eve=
rywhere!!!

Let me know, will be all eyes...

Dave, WD2XSH/17, the little erp who can...






  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:31 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Dave=20
  I did not realise that you knew Merv/NC1K and engaged in cloud lazer exper=
iments. I have know Merv for years and knew him since his G3PXB days.
  We both worked together around 1964 before he emigrated to the USA.
  He was over here a few years ago and I saw him then. Unfortunately I got t=
he news about his departure just recently.
  73 and hpe to hear from u agn and look out for me tonite on 502.51 khz sta=
rting at 2200 utc approx.
  Mal/g3kev/Scarborough

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: dave.riley3=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09 AM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Mal,

    Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

    http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


    73s from Dave




    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Jay
    Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and a=
gn 2214 utc
    It looks ok so far.
    mal
    g3kev


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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Howdy Mal,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>On tonight @ 22Z do you mean 502.51 or=20
.57??</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Yes, Merv and I went through 10ghz and laser hom=
e=20
brew&nbsp;together and had good QSOs on each band, 10.368ghz. and=20
474thz.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>I was very surprized to hear of his passing...&n=
bsp;=20
Good man...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>As far as 2X QSO, I will be put in to the penalt=
y box=20
if I break the rules, but we could exchange 'captures' on 7033=20
afterwards??</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Too many rules and not enuf real work...&nbsp; S=
cribes=20
and Pharisees, they're everywhere!!!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Let me know, will be all eyes...</FONT></STRONG>=
</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Dave, WD2XSH/17,&nbsp;the little erp who=20
can...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">mal=
=20
  hamilton</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:3=
1=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re=
: MF=20
  CONDX</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I did not realise that you knew Merv/NC1K=
 and=20
  engaged in cloud lazer experiments. I have know Merv for years and knew hi=
m=20
  since his G3PXB days.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We both worked together around 1964 befor=
e he=20
  emigrated to the USA.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He was over here a few years ago and I sa=
w him=20
  then. Unfortunately I got the news about his departure just=20
  recently.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 and hpe to hear from u agn and look ou=
t for me=20
  tonite on 502.51 khz starting at 2200 utc approx.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal/g3kev/Scarborough</FONT></DIV>
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p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
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09=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:=20=
MF=20
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    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp;=20=
<A       href=3D"http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg">http://www.radiocom.net/K=
EV9.jpg</A><BR></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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net/KEV9.jpg">http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg</A></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>73s from Dave</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><BR><BR><STRONG>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: mal hamilton=
=20
    <BR>To: <A       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_gr=
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    <BR>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM<BR>Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re:=
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    MF CONDX<BR><BR><BR>Jay<BR>Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, fir=
st=20
    seen 2207 then gap and agn 2214 utc<BR>It looks ok so=20
    far.<BR>mal<BR>g3kev</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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Obviously you do not know how to do it. I am still waiting for others that 
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>> I already know all the answers.
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> Yes, as you've told us many many many many times.....
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Dear Paul-Henrik, Michel, LF Group,

I just checked 136.8kHz, and OH1LSQ is a weak "M" copy signal here, just 
after dark. Will check again later.

F5WK appeared on my WSPR log at 1504utc, and has been solid copy since then. 
In fact, the signal is audible here at about S3 or 4. DF6NM has also been 
copied until 1718.

I have now (1748utc) re-started the M0BMU WSPR beacon - any reports very 
welcome.

Cheers, Jim moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Hi Warren,
of course you are right, sorry for the error. Guess I should get more sleep at night ;-)
Markus, DF6NM

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 Markus,
 
> Despite some distant QRN, very good signals from XKO and WD2XKO were visible
> through most of the night, with the last "J" coming through as late as 9:15.
 
 Perhaps you mean XGJ at 9:15?
 
 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ



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Hi Mal,

pse see also

http://home.versanet.de/~uwe-jannsen/two.htm

regards
Uwe/dj8wx



Zitat von mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> LF/MF
> I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using 
> two loops. Loop A is 40 metres perimeter vertical orientation, Loop B 
> is 190 metres perimeter also vertical.  Both loops optimum E/W.
> I am using two receivers in this experiment Ant A to Siemens D2155 
> level meter, BW 20 Hz and vy stable, Ant B to Datong up converter and 
> IC746 250 Hz BW. Both audio outputs to soundcard/ARGO display 
> allowing 50 hz separation for observation.
> Observing DI2AM at present and having calibrared this signal on both 
> RX outputs at a point in time, both signals are fairly constant but 
> more variations have been observed on Ant A - 40m loop, the signal 
> surges in strength and then fades down, whereas Ant B has a more 
> constant output with less fade.
> More time is needed for a proper assessment and DI2AM is also a 
> strong signal. I would need a few long haul signals for a proper test 
> like Russian or USA .
> Interested in MF signals at present.
> This method would also work with a couple of small loops or a loop 
> and probe type antenna, then at a glance one would know how each was 
> performing, of course with the loop in the optimum direction for 
> target signal.
>
> This is just a simple setup, it works well and no audio cross mod 
> noticed, nice clean signals on display in spite of the fact that the 
> separation is only 50hz.
> A nice balanced mixer would be a more sophisticated approach, that 
> might come later.
>
> 73 mal/g3kev
>
>





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=20
Hello Marco not Email adress for F6BWO and maybe not Internet at  home.
You can write a QSL card if you want.
I send to you via your direct email the personnal adress of Jeff  BWO
=20
=20
F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010

_http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20

=20
=20
Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 31/01/2009 17:30:48 Paris, Madrid, =20
marco.scholz@citi.com a =E9crit :

Hello  Jeff,
I not found any email address from you and maybe you not receiving  this
LF reflector mails, but however i try it.
Many thanks for calling  me this morning after my QSO with DL2HRE. This
was a pleasure. Sorry i  finished the QSO quickly, but i was short on
time. I will be QRV tomorrow  monring and hopefully more often Sunday
mornings in future. Hope for some  more QSO's with you. This was just my
3rd QSO on 137KHz  :-)

vy73
Marco
DD7PC,  JN49ax

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MF
Acty is improving on 500 khz
Active currently on CW and recently worked GI4DPE, G3XIZ, G3DXZ, GW3EUP, GW3=
HXO, M0JXO, M0KHW plus all the action on 137 khz

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Quite likely Schottky diodes.   Much lower forward voltage drop -
typical 0.15 to 0.3V at rated current, and OK for fasr SMPSUs.
Reverse leakage can be very high.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/23 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> MF/LF
> For interest, nearly every diode that I have tested varies one from another
> even a matched batch. I suppose normally constructers just grab the required
> number for a project and start soldering. Perhaps its not that important as
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> the reverse direction.
> mal/g3kev
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> I have found some rectifiers MBR 6045 and although these would do the job, I
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Thanks to all for the reports sent direct, through the reflectors and the
'spots' sent to the WSPR database on Tuesday night. A large number of spots
were recoreded from both the USA and EU. The biggest surprise was the almost
continuous reception by GM4SLV with hardly a missed sequence over the 7 hour
period.

Using the GM4SLV data from the WSPR database, I put together a simple chart
of his received signal strength over the period. We all know how deep and
quick the QSB can be on this band and the chart clearly shows this as well.

 http://www.w1vd.com/WE2XGRGM4SLV.gif

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2



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New captures since my previous report. Rx Perseus, antenna Roelof mini-whip
Using Winrad->VAC->WSPR 1.01

090125 2114   6 -25  1.6   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0  857    0
090125 2128   7 -25  1.5   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0     1    0
090125 2130  10 -23  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2138  15 -17  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2144   5 -26  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0 17635    0
090125 2148   7 -24  1.5   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0     1    0
090125 2150  11 -21  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2208   4 -29  1.5   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0    13    0
090125 2212  11 -21  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2218   9 -22  1.4   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0     5    0
090125 2218  14 -18  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2224  11 -21  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2240   7 -23  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0   461    0
090125 2248   6 -25  1.5   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0     1    0
090125 2252  10 -22  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2300  12 -20  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2302   7 -26  1.4   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0     2    0
090125 2304  12 -20  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2306   7 -25  1.5   0.503470  G4JNT IO90 23   0     2    0
090125 2312  13 -19  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2320  10 -21  1.4   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0
090125 2328   7 -25  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0    12    0
090125 2336   5 -25  1.2   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0  9888    0
090125 2340  11 -20  1.2   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30   0     1    0

Locator here is JN45sl, so the QRB is

M0BMU  IO91vr  997 km   620 mi
G4JNT  IO90    963 km   598 mi

73  Alberto  I2PHD





.




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Hello Andrey, for a test with you,im beaconing now and until 2200Z on  
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Best regards F4DTL JN18FP

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Hello All,

This are fine examples of dyslexia, a far more common problem than  
generally known.
It has nothing do to with intelligence as such, as some of the most gifted  
persons on earth "suffered" from it.
One example that springs to my mind was Winston Churchill.

Text control won't help much as "there" and their" are genuine English  
words.

Reading and writing is a skill just like walking.
You won't judge someone's intelligence by the way he walks, won't you!

Best regards,
Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt

(And yes, dyslexia is part of my daytime job!)


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 Last night on my return, I re-centred this so that
> it covers the top 200Hz of the band, nominal dial freq 502.4
> Regards

I thought it was a step change in propagation hihi

tnx - G ..

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From: "Mark" <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk>
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Subject: LF: Re: RE: where are all the grabbers gone ...GM4ISM 500KHz and 
WSPR Dial feq

>
> Guys, My 600KHz grabber is still QRV, The address port number had to 
> change,
> and because I don't have a guaranteed static IP address, the best way to 
> get
> at my grabber is www.dc2light.co.uk/LF_MF.htm
> The WSPR decoder is also active, and the approx window is shown on the 
> right
> hand side of the grabber. Last night on my return, I re-centred this so 
> that
> it covers the top 200Hz of the band, nominal dial freq 502.4
> Regards
> Mark GM4ISM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:50 AM
> Subject: LF: RE: where are all the grabbers gone ...
>
>
>> Hi Rik, LF,
>>
>> I did make some changes a while ago, the 500KHz grabbers are operating at
>> :-
>>
>> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html
>> and
>> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html
>>
>> When in-operative due to work at my end I always place a notice on the
>> page.
>>
>> I can get John's grabber at :-
>> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/grabber2.htm
>> or
>> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg
>>
>> But at the moment but it appears to be off line.
>>
>> And Mark's appears to have gone away!! at :-
>> http://92.235.33.173:8080/
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Gary - G4WGT.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe
>> Sent: 29 January 2009 11:30
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: LF: where are all the grabbers gone ...
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> for various reasons (busy, antenna down due to construction) I haven't
>> been active during the past 2 months.
>> Today I re-installed the (improved) antenna. The work paid off,
>> antenna current is up from 2.4 A to 2.8 A.
>> But as I tried the grabbers some seemed to have gone or moved. G3YXM
>> and GM4ISM are still where they used to be, but I couldn't find G4WGT
>> and GM4SLV.
>> Googling them didn't help (lot's of hits but all to dead links).
>>
>> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>>
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Items:

1. I thought this was a list for people interested in radio and LF/VLF, etc.
specifically.

2.  I very rarely have posted although I read the list regularly and have
been trying to learn. In this case I felt I had a viable contribution. I am
sorry that you disagree. This has been just a little thread for a few days
but does capture the interests of a few of us.

3. I respect the members of this list for their individual skills and
talents and respect their ideas.

4. I have sent messages three or four times asking to be removed from this
list. Would someone please help me do that? If no one does I will just mark
these e-mail as junk mail and be done with it.

5. As per an earlier posting today, USE YOUR DELETE KEY!

6. I pity the lack of courtesy of the part of a FEW on this list. Mal makes
good points and observations but so do his detractors ABOUT RADIO! The
personal attacks are silly at best.

7. There are most likely just a few of us sharing this interest and things
should be more civil.

8. My supply of the dorsal portions of the specified rodents is nil.
Therefore, I can no longer offer any.

9. Please get me out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TNX es 73,

Dr. Tom Gruis
___________________________________________________________________________


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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve McDonald
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Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

Can we not put an end to this nonsense? Who gives a rat's ass about razor
blade radios?

VE7SL




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Hi Laurence,

       WD2XGJ is off due to failure of the HT power supply.
Hopefully Dex and or Jay can get on.

--=20
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China
<hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ill be moving the overnight Eastern China Grabber up from 136307 area to t=
he
> USA/Eu Window 137.775/781 for the next few days to look out for long haul
> USA East coast at my dusk. Ive got the noise down here by another 1.5dB
> which is rather pleasing - having successfully got a flourescent tube
> finally turned off in the lift machinery room to the left of the probe.
> http://kl1x.com/BY3a%20probe.jpg - this was some task believe me - its tak=
en
> a month of negotiation to flick a switch.
>
> My old home station in Mongolia on 164kHz is particularly strong at -30dBm
> and pretty "wide" looking at the spectrum on the SDR - Wider than I used t=
o
> see for some reason. For info Im using a 7 element 500kHz LPF to cut down
> the multiple -10dBm Medium wave signals in the 1Mhz region - it really
> alleviates some of the images from the SDR-IQ.
>
> Thanks to all for the signals - UA4WPF nightly continues to be good to
> strong at times, at the 4500Kms mark and fade period around 25 mins, but
> fades arent that deep.
>
>  EU utilities are slightly elevated above norms around -70dBm now some
> 25-30dB above noise. DCF39 is around 7600kms from here.
>
> Signals appreaciated from all inc  UA4WPF, RA9CUA's "u" in DFCW and others=
.
>
> Time for work Laurence By3A/KL1X OM89UA
> http://kl1x.com
>
> ________________________________
> Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. Check it out.

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JAY,
I have started on 502.57 khz Pse TX on 508.51khz now so that I can judge pro=
pagation, with ur higher pwr.
I am working DUPLEX with a separare RX antenna system. I will see u even if=20=
I am in TX mode ere. QRS 3 or 2

73 de mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
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  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:09 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Mal

  If you can operate duplex like last time perhaps you should begin transmit=
ting at 2200Z and I'll break in when I see your signal. You had better copy=20=
on my signal last time. Unfortunately I can only hang around until 2330Z ton=
ight. Frequencies are as you stated in your previous e mail.=20

  Jay



    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:21 PM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Jay
    Sunset ur end  could be a good start time. I can work Russians sunset an=
d before fm here across as far as UA9 es UA0 and ZL.

    73 mal/g3kev

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:21 PM
      Subject: LF: Re: MF CONDX


      Mal

      Antenna is back up in the air here...but we're expecting a snow storm=20=
starting mid afternoon running through tomorrow morning. Suspect static leve=
ls will be high but will be happy to take a look...if you care to transmit a=
t a specific time.

      Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: mal hamilton=20
        To: rsgb=20
        Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:46 AM
        Subject: LF: MF CONDX


        MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone ava=
ilable this week end.
        Temp minus 3 today so far antenna ok

        mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>JAY,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have started on 502.57 khz Pse TX on 508.=
51khz=20
now so that I can judge propagation, with ur higher pwr.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am working DUPLEX with a separare RX ante=
nna=20
system. I will see u even if I am in TX mode ere. QRS 3 or 2</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you can operate duplex like last time=20=
perhaps=20
  you should begin transmitting at 2200Z and I'll break in when I see your=20
  signal. You had&nbsp;better copy on my signal last time. Unfortunately I c=
an=20
  only hang around until 2330Z tonight. Frequencies are as you stated in you=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
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lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">m=
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sunset ur end&nbsp; could be a good sta=
rt time.=20
    I can work Russians sunset and before fm here across as far as UA9 es UA=
0=20
    and ZL.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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      <A title=3Djrusgrove@comcast.net         href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@comc=
ast.net">jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A         title=3Drsgb_lf_=
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      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 200=
9 3:21=20
      PM</DIV>
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      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antenna is back up in the air here...=
but=20
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 to=20
      take a look...if you care to transmit at a specific time.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp;=20
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t">mal=20
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        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A           title=3Drsgb=
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        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2=
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        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF condx vy good at present. Now is=
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        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Temp minus 3 today so far antenna=20
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LF,

Regarding my WSPR settings, the power is not a correct evaluation at the
moment. My Tx power is about 5 watts but the ERP will be very much lower &
as I have not calculated it as yet I have just inserted -27dB.

When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.


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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
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Hi All,

In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top part of
the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a 200Hz
slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.

My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 503.550KHz
data.

Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.

73

Gary - G4WGT

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John,

Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move to

the band edge without problems
clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down

With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a reasonable 
concept as it will allow other 'casual'
monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post needed 
to  announce a test !

What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or just 
sleeping ?

G ..



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From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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>
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>
> Oh no!
>
> Please let's not get into this again....
>
> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>
> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>
> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>
>
> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>
> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>
>



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Andy Talbot wrote:

> ....
>  
> The figures won't go below 0dBm  so they will no longer be a true 
> representation of tx power.   WSPRnet is still reporting several 
> listeners copying my sigs, now at -28dB S/N,  so will continue 
> decreasing power a bit longer. 
>  
>
> .....
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com <http://www.g4jnt.com>
>
>

Dear Andy, Jim, LF group
looks like i 've got your wspr tx 'ing first time on my side..
just a fragment of my wspr screen..
2300 -23  0.1   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2306 -21  0.0   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2310 -28  0.1   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2310 -22  0.0   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2314 -23 -0.1   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2320 -21  0.1   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30

btw, Jim if you read this mail.. you've mentioned about a constant weak 
signal  around  950Hz
i have also a constant  signal at  964 Hz  while you are here at 904 Hz 
as for its intensity  at jo91rs  both signals are "weak" i.e.
it is comparable to your signal so it goes into -20's
                                                                                         
73, peter, sq7mpj

qth:  lodz, poland/jo91rs/
p.s Andy , the qrb iis 1440 km (io90iv - jo91rs) as reported  by the 
wsprnet.org database


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Andy Talbot wrote:<br>
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  <div>....<br>
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  <div>=C2=A0</div>
  <div>The figures won't=C2=A0go=C2=A0below 0dBm =C2=A0so they will no longe=
r be a
true representation of tx power.=C2=A0=C2=A0 WSPRnet is still reporting seve=
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listeners copying my sigs, now at -28dB S/N,=C2=A0 so will continue
decreasing power a bit longer.=C2=A0 </div>
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Andy =C2=A0G4JNT<br>
  <a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com">www.g4jnt.com</a><br>
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Dear Andy, Jim, LF group<br>
looks like i 've got your wspr tx 'ing first time on my side..<br>
just a fragment of my wspr screen..<br>
2300 -23=C2=A0 0.1=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.503904=C2=A0 0 M0BMU IO91 30<br>
2306 -21=C2=A0 0.0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.503904=C2=A0 0 M0BMU IO91 30<br>
2310 -28=C2=A0 0.1=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.503874=C2=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23<br>
2310 -22=C2=A0 0.0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.503904=C2=A0 0 M0BMU IO91 30<br>
2314 -23 -0.1=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.503904=C2=A0 0 M0BMU IO91 30<br>
2320 -21=C2=A0 0.1=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.503904=C2=A0 0 M0BMU IO91 30<br>
<br>
btw, Jim if you read this mail.. you've mentioned about a constant weak
signal=C2=A0 around=C2=A0 950Hz<br>
i have also a constant=C2=A0 signal at=C2=A0 964 Hz=C2=A0 while you are here=
 at 904 Hz
as for its intensity=C2=A0 at jo91rs=C2=A0 both signals are "weak" i.e. <br>
it is comparable to your signal so it goes into -20's<br>
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73, peter, sq7mpj<br>
<br>
qth:=C2=A0 lodz, poland/jo91rs/<br>
p.s Andy , the qrb iis 1440 km (io90iv - jo91rs) as reported=C2=A0 by the
wsprnet.org database<br>
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Hi Joe,
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Joe,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>litlle trace vo1na</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende 
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Dear Markus, LF Group,

Tnx reports - FB copy here also:

2016 -24  1.0   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2030 -11  1.2   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2038 -10  1.2   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
2044  -8  1.2   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23

WSPR seems to have a fixed audio range centred on 1500Hz; I guess at least 
then everyone is reporting frequency the same way - increased chances of 
success! It would certainly be convenient if you could change it though...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz


> Hi Jim,
>
> just installed WSPR 1.01, and read your signal on first try:
>
> 1952 -26  1.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 1956 -22  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
>
> Is it possible to tell WSPR to listen on a different audio center 
> frequency, other than 1500 Hz?  At the moment, I have to workaround with 
> SpecLab on another PC converting from 2000 Hz.
>
> Kind regards
> Markus, DF6NM



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HNY to all!

I received last night DF6NM and RA3YO (sri nothing from WPF) - see
attached picture.
My Rx Yaesu FT857, 137KHz Preamp and Miniwhip.

vy73
Marco
DD7PC, JN49ax

mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de
http://dd7pc.qsl.nu

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... here's the answer ;-)

Best wishes - Markus
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Markus Vester=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 1:49 PM
  Subject: LF: Unid DFCW


  Hi LF,

  twice at 11:21 and 12:31 today, I caught an unidentified northerly DFCW tr=
ace centered on 137703 - it looked like an attempted CQ with FSK working but=
 TX keying permanently on.

  During the morning, nice signals were also received from DL2HRE, a single=20=
long dash possibly from DK1KH, and later RN3AGC and F4DTL.

  73 and best wishes
  Markus, DF6NM

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>... here's the answer ;-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best wishes - Markus</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Unid DFCW</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi LF,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>twice at 11:21 and 12:31=20
  today,&nbsp;I&nbsp;caught&nbsp;an unidentified&nbsp;northerly DFCW=20
  trace&nbsp;centered on 137703 -&nbsp;it looked like an attempted&nbsp;CQ w=
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  FSK working but TX keying permanently on.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>During the morning, nice signals were=20
  also&nbsp;received from DL2HRE, a single long dash possibly from DK1KH, an=
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  later RN3AGC and F4DTL.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 and best wishes</FONT></DIV>
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Good signal "RU" on 137778.8 ( Visible on Laurence BY3A-KL1X Grabber )

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Hi John, LFers,

What is the 2187.5 kHz. MF-DSC that you mentioned in your
reply to the query about the grabbers?

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
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Lots of strong signals qrs 3 active at present 1810 utc I am now qrv 502.57=20=
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Dear Piotr, Jim, Marco, Wolf,

Thanks for all the tips - there are plenty of things for me to try. I think=20=
Jim probably identified the main cause - not enough audio level. I was only=20=
getting Jim's signal as a green line on 137 kHz. On 500 kHz it was painting=20=
yellow (but not red).

Thanks for the help,

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Subject: Re: LF: RE: RE: WSPR beacon on 136kHz - QRT


Dave G3WCB wrote:

>Hi Jim, LF. =20
>
>Sadly no decodes from M0BMU or DF6NM on 136 last night.
>M0BMU was clearly audible and was showing on the waterfall display.
>
>I'm using WSPR 1.01_r1023, and it worked fine on 500kHz the other day.
>
>Am I doing something wrong? (well, yes, obviously, but what!)
>
>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
> =20
>
Hi Dave , LF
as other already  said  both the time (pc clock)  and frequency  must be=20
properly adjusted although  using this mode
on other bands i've noticed that   at the time when the  trace of a=20
signal was not entirely, say, horizontal
 i.e.  there was some freq. 'floating' over the 2 min period i still=20
got  positive decoding .  the wspr software  is primarily used  for the=20
beacon mode
( or TX'ing). The receiving  abilities are somewhat  'stiff '  or simply=20
there are not so many options you could play with.  the point is that=20
you see the signal AFTER it was received  and sometimes it takes more=20
than few seconds  to make the decoding process
i suggest to download the recent version of wsjt  - 7.02  where among=20
others, there is also an option for wspr as  the qso mode , however ,=20
you can  use it for only
receiving purposes - simply do not mark the "auto is on" box  clik on=20
the 'monitor'  button and you will receive wspr messages transmitted=20
either  by wspr soft or wsjt package.  Of course, at first you must=20
check the wspr mode it the "mode" option. when you  run the wsjt program=20
it also opens the specjt window which is of a great help when it comes=20
to the receiving the signal  - primarily you can  observe the signal all=20
the time during the 2 min tx period  - you have ( at the bottom of the=20
specjt window) 'buttons' for changin the  brightness, contrast and=20
digital gain.   also, in the main wsjt window, there is a TOL button=20
and  when you play with it using left or right mouse clicks you can =20
narrow or extend the built in filter ( the green mark  in the upper part=20
of specjt window)  click the mouse button and observe the widening or=20
narrowing the tiny green line . also looking  at the shape or  'width'=20
of the signal line you can adjust  the strenght of your signal from your=20
receiver coming into the sound card   may be  those few remarks will=20
bring some help...
                                                                           =20=
                                    =20
73, peter, sq7mpj
qth: lodz, poland /jo91rs/
                                  =20


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At this stage of the game I've graduated to 'plug and play' RF electronics, 
thanks to Mini-Circuits and like parts, all available for a song on E-Bay.

The IC706 made many trips so sea and was most useful as a duplex CW 
transceiver on the marine CW and SITOR frequencies, and it is so old as to 
be almost serial #1.

The picture @ this link shows a scheme for 10kc-510kc transceive. It is most 
self explanatory with the only hidden info is that I cut the B+ lead to the 
final of the IC706 and so by magic the RF output level @ 10.500 mhz. dropped 
to 7 milliwatts, talk about luck and a happy mixer.

www.radiocom.net/600M/TxVerter2.jpg

The QRG is held to tight specs by use of the GPS diciplined clock 10mhz as 
the LO input to the DB Mixer.

On 500kc. I use the modified Ramsey 1W amp shown, followed by a modified 
200W Mitsubishi stereo amp with giant 900V FETS, and thence to a modified 
SB200, now designated as a SB600M. The Greenlee punches around here are all 
dull and old, so why start from scratch any more??
Rework of junk commercial and military boxes is now the caper.

www.radiocom.net/600M/SB600M3.jpg

And here is the best TX antenna I have used so far here, free of any ground 
radials and many top load wires hung up in trees, but only meant for really 
poor soil conductivity mind you and that is < .5 millimho here on silica 
soil. Always wondered how it would be to have an antenna in 'free space'.
It amounts to a 65' vertical of #4 wire inside garden hose and laid over 
high pine trees. A free extra is that the loop is certainly more quiet than 
the Marconi vertical. It also works DX up to 6M so we took all the other 
wire antennas down. Life is getting simple, so we do.

www.radiocom.net/600M/Loop1107.jpg

Too much fun and not enuf air time!!  Even had a SKN QSO on 600M, ham radio 
is still fun...

Regards to all,

Dave@WD2XSH/17






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hi warren,

capture xgj
henny cpm
73s


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Who is this other station shown in my capture list? Would like to know
location and power output.


090114 2232   1 -24  5.9   0.137510  73 DE SCP/LN8PHG        0  7540   32

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hi warren,

only one x,
henny cpm
73s

Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi warren,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>only one x,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen 
worden verzonden:<BR>xgj-2&nbsp; 01-01-09.jpg<BR><BR>Opmerking: Sommige 
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Dave=20
I did not realise that you knew Merv/NC1K and engaged in cloud lazer experim=
ents. I have know Merv for years and knew him since his G3PXB days.
We both worked together around 1964 before he emigrated to the USA.
He was over here a few years ago and I saw him then. Unfortunately I got the=
 news about his departure just recently.
73 and hpe to hear from u agn and look out for me tonite on 502.51 khz start=
ing at 2200 utc approx.
Mal/g3kev/Scarborough

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Mal,

  Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


  73s from Dave




  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Jay
  Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and agn=
 2214 utc
  It looks ok so far.
  mal
  g3kev


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I did not realise that you knew Merv/NC1K a=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We both worked together around 1964 before=20=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He was over here a few years ago and I saw=20=
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then. Unfortunately I got the news about his departure just=20
recently.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 and hpe to hear from u agn and look out=20=
for me=20
tonite on 502.51 khz starting at 2200 utc approx.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal/g3kev/Scarborough</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <A=
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Are you still running identical ERP ?
The Olivia trace looks a lot stronger on the waterfall and I can't see
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John, Rik and group

Confirming that WE2XGR/2 TX is up and WSPRing. Will continue transmissions until at least 0000Z and 
probably beyond.

Jay  W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


----- Original Message ----- 
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>I moved up to 507 too.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
> Quoting John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
>
>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:08:45 -0500
>> <jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:
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>>> WE2XGR/2 will be in WSPR mode tonight starting 2030Z on dial
>>> frequency 507.000 kHz.
>>
>> Hello Jay, LF,
>>
>> I've just retuned, to 507kHz dial, at 20:00 - I'm hoping to catch the
>> first of your tranmsit periods and will continue through the night.
>>
>> RX setup is identical to the last test, same antenna/pre-amp etc...
>>
>> Cheers and good luck
>>
>> John
>> GM4SLV
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Hello Wolf,
Are you receive my E-mail ?
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

dl4yhf@freenet.de a =E9crit :
> Greetings all,
>
> Just met G3XDV on 136.7 kHz in CW - thanks Mike - , now still waiting for=20=
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>
> I can see traces of what may be Heinz' CW signal on the spectrogram, but n=
ot sure.
>
> No positive callsign identification in JO42FD yet.
>
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> QRM - mostly Luxemburg-type howling- is terrible here.
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Dave G3WCB wrote:

>Hi Jim, LF.  
>
>Sadly no decodes from M0BMU or DF6NM on 136 last night.
>M0BMU was clearly audible and was showing on the waterfall display.
>
>I'm using WSPR 1.01_r1023, and it worked fine on 500kHz the other day.
>
>Am I doing something wrong? (well, yes, obviously, but what!)
>
>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>  
>
Hi Dave , LF
as other already  said  both the time (pc clock)  and frequency  must be 
properly adjusted although  using this mode
on other bands i've noticed that   at the time when the  trace of a 
signal was not entirely, say, horizontal
 i.e.  there was some freq. 'floating' over the 2 min period i still 
got  positive decoding .  the wspr software  is primarily used  for the 
beacon mode
( or TX'ing). The receiving  abilities are somewhat  'stiff '  or simply 
there are not so many options you could play with.  the point is that 
you see the signal AFTER it was received  and sometimes it takes more 
than few seconds  to make the decoding process
i suggest to download the recent version of wsjt  - 7.02  where among 
others, there is also an option for wspr as  the qso mode , however , 
you can  use it for only
receiving purposes - simply do not mark the "auto is on" box  clik on 
the 'monitor'  button and you will receive wspr messages transmitted 
either  by wspr soft or wsjt package.  Of course, at first you must 
check the wspr mode it the "mode" option. when you  run the wsjt program 
it also opens the specjt window which is of a great help when it comes 
to the receiving the signal  - primarily you can  observe the signal all 
the time during the 2 min tx period  - you have ( at the bottom of the 
specjt window) 'buttons' for changin the  brightness, contrast and 
digital gain.   also, in the main wsjt window, there is a TOL button 
and  when you play with it using left or right mouse clicks you can  
narrow or extend the built in filter ( the green mark  in the upper part 
of specjt window)  click the mouse button and observe the widening or 
narrowing the tiny green line . also looking  at the shape or  'width' 
of the signal line you can adjust  the strenght of your signal from your 
receiver coming into the sound card   may be  those few remarks will 
bring some help...
                                                                                                                 
73, peter, sq7mpj
qth: lodz, poland /jo91rs/
                                   


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Hi Markus, hi group!

Thank you Marcus for mentioning the "Luxemburg effect".
Yes I had a rough idea that its somekind of cross modulation in the ionosphere, 
when a strong signal is present. 

Now I want to know more. Using a search engine for half an hour, I'm not satisfied with the infos. 
How does this interaction, modulation take place, where is the nonlinearity?

Do You know useful links or even a book to read about it?

Thank You!
Have a nice evening
Dennis




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Hello Joe your signal was still visable at 8:00z.
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73
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Reminds me of a little Yorkshire Terrier, chasing its tail .quite cute ..=20

Next time just set the RX  to  mute before you press the key . ....

..=20




From: mal hamilton=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:31 PM
To: rsgb=20
Subject: LF: Spread spectrum


A spread spectrum transmission has appeared on 500 khz, spreading nearly 2 k=
hz across, centre about 501.6 khz
Channels 20 hz apart.=20
G3KEV



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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Reminds me of a little Yorkshire Terrier, c=
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Next time just set the&nbsp;RX &nbsp;to&nbs=
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Channels 20 hz&nbsp;apart. </FONT></DIV>
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I have (sort-of) sorted out the transmitter control problem.  While
both  WSPR.EXE  and WSJT6 both refuse to properly control the
PC-installed COM1 port, they do both behave properly with an FTDI type
USB COM port.

So am running a WSPR beacon on 503.47kHz for a while.

Still intrigued to know why Joe's software won't drive my COM 1
properly, whereas it works with USB based conm ports.  Whereas other
software, including direct programming it from VB6, does allow
complete control of DTR and RTS signal lines.


Andy  G4JNT
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Sorry.  That should be 1115z

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>1215z
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Good signal from DK7SU on 136.8kHz CW at 549, 0930 Sun 18 Jan.. 
Unfortunately he can't hear me. Good to hear some CW on this band.

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Lee,

that's the header I see at http://www.wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots

Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Lee Hudson <hudsonville@btinternet.com>:

> Gary, Rik, John, Andy
>
> That's the distance I worked it out at too.
> But interestingly 434miles is 700km as Andy confirms.
>
> My Locator is correct IO93gx Harrogate, North of Leeds.
>
> Do you see km and miles Rik?
> I have 1127km 700mi showing on John's spots.
>
> Gary and I are within an hours drive.
> Certainly not the case to IP90gg, how's the wine doing John?
>
> Lee M0LMH.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
> Sent: 30 January 2009 22:01
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> Subject: LF: RE: WSPR Distance
>
>
>
> Lee, LF,
>
>
>
> I have checked and :-
>
>
>
> IO83qp to IP90gg =3D 460 miles
>
> IO93gx to IP90gg =3D 434 miles
>
>
>
> Have you got your locator correct?
>
>
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hudson
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>
>
> Hi LF Group,
>
>
>
> Just been looking at the Database of tonights activity, and I'm reported a=
t
> 700miles from GM4SLV
>
> Yet G4WGT is only 460miles.
>
>
>
> Has the database put the km in my miles column?
>
> A known bug?
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> 73,
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> Lee M0LMH.
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Dear Pete, LF Group,

M0FMT wrote:
>Mal you've got my vote and probably the Vote of the silent majority on the 
>Band....

This is presumably the same silent majority that complain about lack of 
activity. It would be nice if the majority was a little less silent, at 
least in the RF sense.

Ofcom have granted the 500kHz NoVs for research purposes. We each had to 
make an application based on what sort of research we intended to do. In 
mine, among other things, I proposed to investigate the effectiveness of 
various different modes at MF, and the application was granted on this 
basis. I hope to get some results, either positive or negative, that will 
shed some light on this subject.

In the meantime, arguments rage on, mostly people telling anyone who is 
doing anything on 500kHz that they shouldn't be doing it. This is not very 
constructive; if we expect Ofcom to extend the 500kHz deadline, and to 
entertain future requests for bandwidth, we collectively need to show that 
interesting things can be done with this type of allocation by amateurs. 
Most of the band is empty most of the time, so there is plenty of space for 
more different kinds of activity according to different tastes and 
interests - there is no requirement to reach a universal consensus first.

So if you are part of this Silent Majority who don't like the existing 
activity on 500k, get busy doing the things that you do like - and persuade 
like-minded people to join in. It has to be better than ranting!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Hello LF!
There is a nice DFCW signal from SO5AS (KO02JD) on 137.700kHz now.

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Paul
Normally 136.3 khz and around that area has been used by EU stns for QRS 
acty and USA listeners. Since then a data stn has started up and makes it 
difficult for other EU stns to copy through the bursts of QRM. Normally the 
USA stns use 137.7 khz area.
This procedure was used when the band was vy busy some years ago to avoid 
QRM to normal CW acty. Because band occupancy is vy low at present I do not 
suppose anyone is going to complain about using up to 136.8 khz. If the band 
suddenly became vy active then the QRS stns could move lower.
My opinion and I must get my 136 TX fired up one of these days.
Your signal is still strong here and no noticeable QSB all evening, very 
constant signal. This LF band is more reliable and consistant than 500 khz 
which seems to suffer badly from fade most of the time. More power is needed 
on 500 khz to help over come the QSB problem.
73 and gl de mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:41 PM
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Hello Mal, LF

I will consider a new frequency for tomorrow, right now I know some people 
have
set up their systems logging overnight in the hope to find something there 
in
the morning and I can only want to make short excursions elsewhere.

Keep the QRG suggestions coming. How about 136.80 or 137.00kHz? I'm not 
familiar
with the LORAN QRM etc. you are experiencing there. 136.50kHz got thumbs 
down
already yesterday so it needs to be higher than that.

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Paul
> Your freq is too low because of the qrm around 136 khz. A better freq 
> would
> be 136.5 or higher.
> mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:02 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
>
>
> Thanks for the report Mal!
>
> Happy to send some lower frequency signals back in return for all those
> received
> on 600 metres. Looks like the OH-G path is still in the same good shape it
> used
> to be when Reino was still active on the band.
>
> 73's
>
> Paul-Henrik
>
> Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>
> > Paul
> > Good copy ere now OOO at 2048 utc have good photo
> > mal/g3kev
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the screenshot Jim!
> >
> > Amazing, I thought it would take more to make it down there. It is good 
> > to
> > be
> > back on 136 after a 12 year break. My best DX back then was the 
> > Karlsborg
> > expedition in Sweden (7S6SAJ)
> >
> > 73's
> >
> > Paul-Henrik
> >
> > Quoting James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
> >
> > > Dear Paul-Henrik,
> > >
> > > Now copying your QRSS3 - see attachment. Signal is recovering from 
> > > QSB.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Jim Moritz
> > > 73 de M0BMU
> >
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Dear LF Group,

The WSPR beacon is now QRT at 0206utc - I was worried about falling asleep 
with 900W going up the antenna, which is now waving around a lot in the 
wind!

Many thanks for all the reports, which have made this a successful first 
attempt at WSPR on 136k for this station.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Hi Joe,
capture XKO
Henny pa3cpm
73s
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Dear LF Group,

Looking at the spots from "K1JT" on the reflector, I guess someone has not 
updated the WSPR defaults before uploading to the database. Since G4WGT is 
getting similar SNR reports to G4JNT with much lower ERP, I guess it must be 
someone in the north... please check!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73  de M0BMU 



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Hi LF,

 

Is this the first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??

 

 

CQ CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk

 

CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nb

 

m0bmu ... ok jim  uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu 

 

copy ok ???  how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham good
copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out the software
still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0nbd

 

ok dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker !  

 

fine copy 100%  what is your peak power o/p ????

 

nice to  work you for the first time .. 

hr running   30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti  pa block ..
multipsk ..

 

ae  35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config

 

ok ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still good copy
when ur sig barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long inv
L antenna from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP should
be close to 1W BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd

 

ok jim fine .. well all 100%  even in a deep qsb dip your signal fell under
the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode ..hihi/..  i
used  250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a good copy under qsb ..
better than psk ..

 

your signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking on spec-lab
and can only see same as my ouit going .......

 

ok .. well  fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti  pa .. im
keeping 

power down hihi

btu jim ???

 

g0ndb de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had had a nasty
accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but mostly
OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude
modulation in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things a
bit simpler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500hz
bandwidth variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many
complaints about bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd

 m0bmu .. de g0nbd 

 

ok fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx button and
the tx stopped hihi 

 

well this was a quick test to  see if this mode printed better over the
noise ...looks to  work very well  

 

could   change mode ?   8 x 250  that would give a good test ,  reduce to
8 x 250   8 x 250 ???

 

bkbkbkbk

 

ok graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8 x 50 mode
now - pse qrx...ok  changing to  8 x 250

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Is this the first Olivia QSO on=
 500KHz??<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>CQ CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk<o:=
p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
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st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City>
 <st1:State w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nbsp;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
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 <st1:State w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nbsp;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
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 <st1:State w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nb<o:p></o:p></span><=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>m0bmu ... ok jim&nbsp; uBg0ndb=
 g0ndb de m0bmu
m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
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=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>copy ok ???&nbsp; how me ??*Fb=
h)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de
m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham good copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still
trying to figure out the software still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0=
nbd<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok dr jim .. well your signal=20=
is quite loud on
the speaker !&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>fine copy 100%&nbsp; what is y=
our peak power o/p
????<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>nice to&nbsp; work you for the=
 first time .. <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>hr running&nbsp;&nbsp; 30 watt=
s , racal
ma1723/ra1778 with skanti&nbsp; pa block .. multipsk ..<o:p></o:p></span></f=
ont></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ae&nbsp; 35 ft top load vertic=
al .. inv L config<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu=20=
r ok 100% some QSB
here, but still good copy when <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">=
ur</st1:place></st1:City>
sig barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long inv L antenn=
a
from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP should be close to=
 1W
BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok jim fine .. well all 100%&n=
bsp; even in a deep
qsb dip your signal fell under the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks
like a good mode ..hihi/..&nbsp; i used&nbsp; 250 hz 8 tone in the past and
this gave a good copy under qsb .. better than psk ..<o:p></o:p></span></fon=
t></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>your signal is very clean from=
 the tx .. no
splillage .. looking on spec-lab and can only see same as my ouit going ....=
...<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok .. well&nbsp; fine on the 1=
 wat erp .. after
destroying my skanti&nbsp; pa .. im keeping <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>power down hihi<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>btu jim ???<o:p></o:p></span><=
/font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>g0ndb de m0bmu lost u suddenly=
 there, was a bit
worried PA had had a nasty accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half=
 of
your over, but mostly OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not reall=
y
any amplitude modulation in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and k=
eep
things a bit simpler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and
500hz bandwidth variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many
complaints about bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd<o:p></o:p></span=
></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>&nbsp;m0bmu .. de g0nbd <o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>ok fine jim .. well 100% copy=20=
that over again ..
i pressed the rx button and the tx stopped hihi <o:p></o:p></span></font></b=
></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>well this was a quick test to&=
nbsp; see if this
mode printed better over the noise ...looks to&nbsp; work very well&nbsp; <o=
:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>could&nbsp;&nbsp; change mode=20=
?&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x
250&nbsp; that would give a good test ,&nbsp; reduce to&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8=20=
x
250&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250 ???<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'>bkbkbkbk<o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3D1 color=
=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif"><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"=
MS Sans Serif"; color:black;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"MS Sans Serif">=
<span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif";color:black;font-=
weight: bold'>ok graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over t=
o 8 x 50
mode now - pse qrx...ok&nbsp; changing to&nbsp; 8 x 250</span></font></b><b>=
<font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
ont-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>73,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p=
></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
ont-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.</span></font></b>=
</strong><o:p></o:p></p>

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Gary, Marco,

I was afraid so.
As Marco I prefer using WSJT7 because it is more user friendly (real 
time spectogram and input level measurement).
I ended up with running WSJT7 and WSPR1.01 "in parallel" (they are 
happy to share the sound card), WSJT7 as the actual viewer and 
WSPR1.01 in the background for logging (uploading) purposes.
Funny is that they do not always agree on the SNR value. They are 0.1 
or 0.2 dB off sometimes. The 0.1 dB could be due to rounding, but 0.2 dB ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 11:42 30/01/2009, you wrote:
>Rik, LF,
>
>Apparently not.
>
>I have not used it but have seen several posts commenting on the fact that
>it does not upload spots. I think the reason is that it is a QSO mode WSPR &
>the version 1.01 is beacon mode.
>
>73
>
>Gary - G4WGT.
>
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>Dear all,
>
>last night I tried receiving WSPR using WSJT7.
>It works fine, but I cannot find any "upload button".
>Does WSJT7 (in WSPR mode) have an upload function ?
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Jim,

Running 50 watts to the array, that's about 100mW erp

assume your at 1 w ?

G

Nb- tnx all for reports



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Subject: Re: LF: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight

>
> Dear Graham, Andy, LF Group,
>
> Now copying G0NDB on 503.548 according to the WSPR decode window. Graham's
> signal is about S3 here.
>
> I intend to have the beacon running overnight with the same settings, so
> let's hope for the best!
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>



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Hello Walter,

Better conditions tonight possibly...  I can plainly see a 'D' on the ARGO f=
rom you and will let the Capture run tonight...

I also see station on 505.110 but no ident...   Proton density is 3.6 with w=
ide variations...

DI2AM is up and down with QSB and QRN but very nice +15db out of noise on pe=
aks...

Lets keep trying...


Dave


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Walter und Marianne Staubach=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:26 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: weak signal


  Good evening, Mal,
  tnx fer report. Now QRO 1.5W ERP fer Dave, AA1A. He sent me a screenshot w=
ith traces of my QRP-signal 2 days ago. Hopefully he can catch more this nig=
ht.=20
  73   Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF


    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:20 PM
    Subject: LF: Re: weak signal


    Walter guten tag
    No problem to copi ur signal vy strong here with my antenna system.
    73 gl de mal/g3kev

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Walter und Marianne Staubach=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:41 PM
      Subject: LF: weak signal


      Here is the weak signal for Mal. DI2AG on 505.090 beaconing.
      73   Walter  DI2AG / DJ2LF



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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Hello Walter,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Better conditions tonight possibly...&nbsp; I ca=
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plainly see a 'D' on the ARGO from you and will let the Capture run=20
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>I also see station on 505.110 but no=20
ident...&nbsp;&nbsp; Proton density is 3.6 with wide=20
variations...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>DI2AM is up and down with QSB and QRN but very n=
ice=20
+15db out of noise on peaks...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Lets keep trying...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Dave</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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e.de">Walter und Marianne Staubach</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good evening, Mal,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>tnx fer report. Now QRO 1.5W ERP fer Dave=
, AA1A.=20
  He sent me a screenshot with traces of my QRP-signal 2 days ago. Hopefully=
 he=20
  can catch more this night. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF</FONT=
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    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Walter guten tag</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No problem to copi ur signal vy strong=20=
here=20
    with my antenna system.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 gl de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: weak signal</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here is the weak signal for Mal. DI2A=
G on=20
      505.090 beaconing.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter&nbsp; DI2AG /=20
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Andy,

Well ... after the initial beacon bedlam ... (ground wave induced I might 
add)  things  sort of settled down , the beacons migrated to the edges of 
the band , cw tended to  congregate round 502 Khz with  85 hz shift rtty 
featuring round this frequency as well, the nightly GI/GM  qso was cantered 
round  501.5

The gathering of wspr round 503.6 is a comparatively new  'thing'  which may 
of been jelled by Gary operating close to  his normal 'qrss' beacon 
frequency of 503.6 , to  date it was only myself and Jim  who could generate 
and transmit any mode , Chris operated  rtty fsk but usually round 502.  I 
tended to  centre round 503 for any data tests.

A lot of stations where/are xtal controlled,  and as such a band plan would 
not of been much use, locality  was and is  the main problem. Gary and my 
self for example having virtually a clear band to  experiment in !

I would suggest that  wspr activity is migrated to the top 200 Hz of the 
band .. that's if the qrp beacon that lived there  has stopped sending..  to 
give the widest separation from other users, centred on  503.9 Khz carrier 
frequency ?

Graham ..









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From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:40 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5

>
> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?  I'm rather
> late coming on to it having only got the NoV last week, and haven't
> followed the reflector over the last year or two (microwaves were
> calling)
>
> Clearly WSPR needs to be concentrated on a particular centre freq
> (503.5), but what else is standard?
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/25 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
>> Dear Andy, John, LF Group,
>>
>> Yes, Chas, G3DXZ suddenly appeared on the WSPR frequency in CW, so we 
>> QSYed
>> a bit for a contact - I'll probably recover, given time!
>>
>> The WSPR beacon is back on again now.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P-G"
>> <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>
>>
>>
>>> Currently listening to your QSO on CW with Chas. This is the first time
>>> I think I've heard you on "real man's CW". Even in wideband mode, so I
>>> can continue the WPSR monitoring, you're a good 539 in the old money.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>



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Weak copy of your qrp signal Warren,

73

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Heinz=20
I  will look out for u and I will also be on later this evening fm 1800 utc=20=
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73 mal/g3kev

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  this should be 136.5kHz of course...

  73 Heinz

  Heinz Schnait schrieb:=20
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    Heinz, OE5EEP






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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Heinz </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I&nbsp; will look out for u and I will also=
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>this should be 136.5kHz of course...<BR><BR>73=20
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Hello Warren, LF!
There were two "reception windows", as you can see on the pictures. I am gla=
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Dear Jay, LF Group,

Have just decoded WE2XGR here also - I see G3XVL is also copying Jay.

I have set up another RX and PC, so now can monitor both WSPR "windows" at 
the same time.

M0BMU is now also transmitting WSPR on 502.4kHz "dial frequency".

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:41:48 +0100
Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> wrote:

> And a good part of our solar system would be in the near field.
> Mal would have to contact Pluto before he could claim a DX ;-)
> 

What's the "out and back" time for a message to Pluto? 

Might be a long wait to find out "it's not raining also"

John



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Subject: Re[2]: LF: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight
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Hello Jim,

All your wspr messages were successfully decoded until I switched off.
Statics doesn't seem to affect wspr too much at this level of signal.

I was using a 2x2m one turn loop tuned to 500 kHz and a dedicated 500 kHz
SDR receiver. I/Q conversion to base band is performed by SpectrumLab.
You may notice a change in your reported frequency. I modified the OL
frequency (SpectrumLab) by only one hertz to correct a wrong value, but
infortunately the FFT size still needs to be increased to get a better
resolution (the fft resolution reported by SL is 1,4648 Hz !)

The code of the 137 kHz transceiver is now successfully modified to send a
WSPR beacon, and I plan to do real operation on saterday 17 at the local
radioclub (depends on the good or bad weather though)

 2154  38   5  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2202  37   5  1.7   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2206  38   6  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2210  35   4  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2214  33   1  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2222  33   1  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2226  35   4  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2232  31  -1  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2238  29  -2  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2246  31  -1  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2252  32   1  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2258  31   0  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2302  35   4  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2310  30  -1  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2318  27  -3  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2324  39   8  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2328  34   2  1.8   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2332  30   0  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2336  31   0  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2342  34   4  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2348  30   0  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2352  32   1  1.9   0.503512  M0BMU IO91 30
 2358  33   3  2.0   0.503509  M0BMU IO91 30
 0004  25  -5  1.9   0.503509  M0BMU IO91 30
 0012  37   5  2.0   0.503509  M0BMU IO91 30
 0020  32   1  2.0   0.503509  M0BMU IO91 30
 0028  39   7  2.1   0.503509  M0BMU IO91 30
 0036  38   7  1.5   0.503509  M0BMU IO91 30
 0040  33   2  1.5   0.503509  M0BMU IO91 30

 73,
 Michel, f5wk




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Mal, LF,

I am watching & decoding.

Bandwidth is as stated by the operator 1KHz, that's 502.5 to 503.5KHz here
but well away from band edge.

Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
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Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq

OM
Your transmission is outside the band limit, spreading to 504.6 khz.
I can see why OFCOM are concerned about stricter control concerning data 
mode bandwidth.
g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq


> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>
> centre frequency  503 khz
>
> tx mode usb
>
> power 30 watts tune signal
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> Will send for next few hours
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> Reports welcome
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> Graham
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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: Censorship


Seems that the spambots are censoring mail to this group
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In essence my email said   WSPR (and QRSS)  are best at the top edge of the
band. They will not interfere much with each other.
My WSPR decoder  and grabber is on 24/7 so an agreed frequency is needed for
it to be most effective especially when I am away (a lot recently)

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Hello Mike,i hope a LF contact with you next time.
=20
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F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP
_http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20

=20
Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 25/01/2009 15:19:16 Paris, Madrid, =20
mike.dennison@ntlworld.com a =E9crit :

Nice  activity on 136kHz this morning - possibly fuelled by the=20
expected OE  activity or maybe the CQ WW 160 contest this weekend.

Worked DK4U (549)  on CW. Also heard CW from G3YXM (599) and G3KEV=20
(589). QRSS3 from M0BMU  and F4DTL, both 'O'.

Did not hear anything from the OE  stations.

Topped off the morning by my first WSPR decode - from M0BMU  who is=20
local to me - on 500kHz with my ant still tuned to  136.

Mike, G3XDV
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  activity on 136kHz this morning - possibly fuelled by the <BR>expected OE=20
  activity or maybe the CQ WW 160 contest this weekend.<BR><BR>Worked DK4U (=
549)=20
  on CW. Also heard CW from G3YXM (599) and G3KEV <BR>(589). QRSS3 from M0BM=
U=20
  and F4DTL, both 'O'.<BR><BR>Did not hear anything from the OE=20
  stations.<BR><BR>Topped off the morning by my first WSPR decode - from M0B=
MU=20
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Hello Joe ,
Nothing also !
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

henny van elst a =E9crit :
> hny Joe,
> nothing seen,
> henny pa3cpm
> 73s
>
>  =20

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Dear LF Group,

we should clearly differenciate between all aspects.

A propagation study does not need any information transfer 
via the radio path other than confidence on the identity of 
the station in focus. In that case, observing the carrier 
is best. So WSPR has no advantage over QRSS.

On the other hand, WSPR has the advantage of automatic 
recording. But that is not an advantage of the mode, it 
simply is the lack of a corresponding simple program that 
does the same with a QRSS signal.

If the propagation is monitored with the final goal to 
make a QSO at appropriate conditions, then the information 
transfer gets important. In that case, WSPR may outperform 
QRSS by a few dBs (at the same error rate). 

Nevertheless, WSPR is not very near to the Shannon limit. 
I spent nearly all my leisure time of the last year with 
the design of a new digital ham radio QSO-mode HD43 that 
comes as close as possible to the theoretical limit. 
I will send a preprint on request.

73 de Klaus, DJ5HG 
 


> mal hamilton wrote:
> > On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation 
> 
> Good points Mal. However CW for manual reception and QRSS, to be viewed
> on a waterfall display, are fine for all manner of uses and in extremis
> QRSS is probably more sensitive than WSPR. However QRSS requires the
> receiving station to be actively watching the screen all the time, or to
> save traces automatically and then manually review them, by eye, later.
> 
> This is rather time consuming and laborious.
> 
> WSPR may have it's downsides, and the problems last night with G0NBD
> aside, I've never had any problems decoding anything I can visually see,
> and also much that I could not hear and would be at the threshold of
> QRSS useabilty.
> 
> I have confidence that what I see reported by the software is a
> reasonable representation of what was transmitted, and it's much easier
> to quantify changes in signal strength vs time with the WSPR data than
> estimating by eye the quality of a QRSS transmission.
> 
> It may not be accurate in terms of actual reported S/N ratio, but it's
> consistent from session to session, and gives numbers to work with, if
> that's your interest.
> 
> Not everyone can sit waiting for the brief propagation opening, so
> automating the process at least adds another facet this interesting hobby.
> 
> If it hurts no-one then what's the harm?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John
> GM4SLV
> 
> 
> 




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Dear LF Group,

I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/- (136.0kHz 
"dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any reports would be very 
welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Hi Markus ,
Good luck to track unpleasant the small arc which makes you miseries!=20
..... And if Murphy is in the party aie aie !......
73 and HNY for 2009 , Jean-Pierre f1afj

Markus Vester a =E9crit :
> Hi Jean-Pierre,
>
> thanks for the report! I was trying to locate an intermittent fault in=20
> the antenna system. Most times, I can go up to my full 200 W, giving=20
> 3.5 A (16 kV rms) without problems. But sporadically already above a=20
> threshold of  1 A (4.5 kV rms), some sort of partial discharge starts=20
> to happen, resulting in increased and erratically variable resistance=20
> and also slightly increased capacitance. It is accompanied by strong=20
> noise emissions in the FM broadcast band (which had been hardly=20
> noticable during several former instances of visible corona). With a=20
> piece of wire as a capacitive probe on a scope, a distinct and fast=20
> "ringing" is present on each rising edge of the carrier sinusoid. I=20
> have tried to look for visual corona in the dark and listen for the=20
> telltale sharp hiss of voltage breakdown, but with no definite=20
> findings up to now. At the moment all seems ok - Murphy's playing hide=20
> and seek...
>
> Best wishes for 2009,
>
> de Markus, DF6NM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)""=20
> <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:36 PM
> Subject: LF: 137.750 qrss3
>
>
>> Hello Markus (NM)
>> Good copy of your signal test now !
>> 73 HNY Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
>
>
>

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Ok Gary,

Thats the first odd report hihi ...psk was not supposed to be better .......=
=20
! doesn't look well for decodes at range .. i will try and add a few more=20
watts ..

are you running  x 3 multipsk at once ? the beacon text is :-

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk

Tnx - G ..



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:37 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: LF: RE: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON -=20
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Graham, LF,
>
> OK all copied here at varying percentages.
>
> MFSK8
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ea dKt  tp r=A2i=FAiik1kE Keonoe
> x'!etiwB Fa=F8oit"0i=FCTelt !cgne=CAW=A5 Dr gf ! la(  i:a =BEd=F5ie.Yp  a.=
t=A2 P=20
> ntiae=8Fyt
> rl k =A2gt s CDdo   bd
> CQ CQ V) DE...g0abd   8=A9x  ag0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ ..=B1t=DFnbd  g0n!d  g0nbw kkk =C4& =C4jt  =F6=CE  E.xg0nbd  g0nb=
d  g0nbd
> CQ CQ Jd  t E...g0nbd  yz0nbd   C=A9oLQ CQ DE.n ki=B1ngS =A7/  g0P%iKhk er=
 xu5ui
> i=B9a tyfbhttaq=3D  ih=C4iod  elmha n n E=A1tdi=A2nbeeue Ntotm=E2eNRxeca
>
> PSK31
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Olivia 8 x 250
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbj<"g0nbd  kkk z34QU
> @DK   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQXs[ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk Q cY9L,'6   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd
> g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  0}^)  g0nbd
> CQ C1@#Q DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk H1R7Y
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING=20
> NOW
> - 1615 HRS
>
> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in=20
> parallel
>
> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running=20
> on
>
> the same pc in beacon mode
>
> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference=20
> signal
> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>
> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>
> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>
> Running  3 mode beacon
>
> Dial set   502 khz usb
>
> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>
> 1250 hz   psk31
>
> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>
> Reports  welcome
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
> Io83LK
>
>
>
>
>



>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009=20
> 13:10
>=20


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If certain ISPs incorrectly classifiy like this, I wonder if they
could be presented with a "Defamation of Character" claim... under
Human Rights legislation or whatever.

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2009/1/26 Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>:
> Hi Mark, well at least your ISP does not seem to be blacklisted, because
> some are still like Laurence who I think has had to use a different ISP,
> because that mail got through. The spambots at some ISPs have been made very
> aggressive recently as a result of the "Child Protection pressure" The VLF
> Group I sub to was rated as an "adult site" because on poster named his
> design "Little Cutie" (It will be interesting to see it this gets through
> !!) There have also been problems with some ISPs where a mesage has refered
> to the gender of a coax connector !! You might find it interesting to
> re-read you failed message for "double entendres"
>
> Cheers
> Alan G3NYK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark" <markhughes1@blueyonder.co.uk>
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> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:26 AM
> Subject: LF: Censorship
>
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> Seems that the spambots are censoring mail to this group
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> In essence my email said   WSPR (and QRSS)  are best at the top edge of the
> band. They will not interfere much with each other.
> My WSPR decoder  and grabber is on 24/7 so an agreed frequency is needed for
> it to be most effective especially when I am away (a lot recently)
>
> Mark GM4ISM
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>


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Dear LF Group,

M0BMU is now transmitting WSPR again - also currently logging G4JNT and 
G4WGT

Re: the question of a WSPR centre frequency, 503.9kHz +/-100Hz would seem 
sensible - it should be possible to allow a guard band of say 10 or 20Hz to 
the band edge within that bandwidth. There would not be much point in trying 
to transmit a WSPR signal if your TX could not maintain that kind of 
accuracy. With that range, the maximum contiguous spectrum would be 
available for other things in  the amateur band. The only problem would be 
for locations where there is a lot of noise around 504kHz - I believe Finbar 
has this problem with harmonics of 252kHz, but I don't know how widespread a 
problem that is. If it is a problem, 501.1kHz +/-100Hz would be more 
suitable...

Re: ERP vs TX power. There seems to be an assumption for the HF users of 
WSPR that you should specify the TX power. I think this is partly because 
many people are unfamiliar with the concept of ERP. Some others have the 
idea that you could deduce information on antenna performance by looking at 
the TX power of the transmitting stations and SNR, distances and directions 
reported by receiving stations. I don't think that is feasible; to do so you 
would also need to have fairly accuate knowledge of the directional pattern 
of the transmitting antenna, the path loss (including the effects of ground 
loss, fading, ionospheric conditions at that particular time), the 
directional pattern of the receiving antenna, and the band noise level at 
the receiving antenna at that particular time. These variables would be 
different for every receiving station, and also vary a lot over time.  As 
others have said, an intelligent estimate of ERP will usually be within a 
few dBs, which implies the antenna performance will be usually already be 
known with much better accuracy than all these other variables. So I think 
it would be a much better idea to specify ERP, and use WSPR reports as a 
tool to analyse propagation, rather than try to do it the other way round.

As Graham says, on HF the ERP will be within not-many-dBs of the TX power 
anyway, unless the antenna is very big or very small. At LF/MF there are 
wide variations. G4WGT running 5W is quite QRP with his home antenna, but 
would probably be well over the 1W ERP limit if he were using G3KEV's 
antenna. So really you have to state ERP in order to give a realistic 
measure of how strong the signal is at source.

In answer to:
>>>>Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW ERP from a 
>>>>large one.

Of course it will! ERP is a measure of how much field strength is produced 
at a given distance, so if both stations have the same ERP, the signals will 
go equally far - that is the point of ERP, it is a measure of the actual 
radiated signal, after losses and so forth are accounted for. If the small 
antenna is producing 2mW ERP, it implies that more TX power is being used to 
get that figure than is required by the presumably more efficient big 
antenna.  Not many people believe it though! I actually did the experiment 
back in 2000 on 136kHz, setting up a small inverted L next to the 100m high 
Decca Navigator mast at Puckeridge, and adjusting the power levels until the 
radiated signal levels were roughly similar (about 1W TX for the 100m mast, 
350W for the inv L as I recall...). The signal reports I got indicated the 
same relative levels from the two antennas, at distances between about 2km 
and 1000km.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
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Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:45 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5


> Graham, LF,
>
> I do agree that ERP is more meaningful & as Mal & Andy stated it is the
> criteria with which the licence is approved.
>
> My comment was to follow the WSPR recommended method as adopting ERP would
> mean there are two "standards".
>
> I ERP is adopted for LF then it should be international & not just UK, so 
> an
> official announcement by the main WSPR group would be required.
> Comments please.
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 25 January 2009 20:29
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
> Gary,
>
> I don't think a guard band is really needed as if you set the centre 
> carrier
>
> frequency to  503.9 , then operating at the extreme edges is not really
> possible, you're  right on the edge of the waterfall. the deviation is 
> only
> round  6 hz
>
> Re power .. I would say, the erp  is the most meaningful,  actual  power
> supplied to the antenna without the performance data of the array doesn't
> really mean too much ?
>
> G ..
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:11 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top part
>> of
>> the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a
>> 200Hz
>> slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
>> 503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.
>>
>> My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 503.550KHz
>> data.
>>
>> Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Gary - G4WGT
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
>> Sent: 25 January 2009 18:32
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move
>> to
>>
>> the band edge without problems
>> clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down
>>
>> With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a
>> reasonable
>> concept as it will allow other 'casual'
>> monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post
>> needed
>> to  announce a test !
>>
>> What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or 
>> just
>> sleeping ?
>>
>> G ..
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:04 PM
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
>>> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>>>
>>> Oh no!
>>>
>>> Please let's not get into this again....
>>>
>>> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
>>> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>>>
>>> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
>>> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
>>> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>>>
>>> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
>>> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
>>> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>>>
>>> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>>>
>>> John
>>> GM4SLV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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T-Online eMailNil hrd fm u at 2220utc just into the shack, u have probably g=
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  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Klaus
  Now qrv 136.8 khz de mal/g3kev

    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    Hi Mal,
    try to be qrv from 21:00 z with my Ropex (136,52 kHz).
    Loc JN58 qb (nr Munich). Only CW - later in other modes.
    73=20
    DK1KH



      "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> schrieb:=20
      Will  there be anyone active on 137 this evening CW or qrs3.
      Take advantage of the DX season.
      mal/g3kev

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nil hrd fm u&nbsp;at 2220utc just into the=20=
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    <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Hi Mal,<BR>try to be=20=
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    later in other modes.<BR>73&nbsp;<BR>DK1KH<BR><BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;</FONT>=20=
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      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Take advantage of the DX season.</FON=
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Hi Gary,
I use the WSPR progr integrated in the WSJT7 version and drive it in QSO mod=
e,
means -auto is on- . so you have the chance to connect me.
But qso mode or not, you should be able to decode the signs as they are.

73
Uwe/dj8wx


Zitat von F4DTL@aol.com:

>
> Same problem here Uwe
>
> F4DTL JN18FP
>
> Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 09/01/2009 22:19:06 Paris, Madrid,
> g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk a =E9crit :
>
> Uwe,
>
> Which WSPR version are you using Beacon or QSO?
> I only  have Beacon version at the moment & no decodes here.
>
> 73
> Gary -  G4WGT.
>
>
>
>
>




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In a message dated 07/01/2009 17:00:47 GMT Standard Time,  
g3kevmal@talktalk.net writes:

This is  a simple exercise and NO ONE knows how to do it, plenty of comments 
and  deviations.
An analogy

1. Some HI TECH RAF pilots asked to fly a WW2  SPITFIRE and found it 
difficult and performed badly, needed training and  tuition.

2. Hi Performance students A + in their subjects could not  pass a 1960 GCE 
paper in maths and english.

These were recent UK TV  productions.

RF engineers and improvisers  are scarce it would  appear both old and new. 
Digital and DC are abundant.

Take away the  Internet source, Maplins and Farnell and the electronics world 
would  collapse.



----------
 
It obviously hasn't occured to you that it's probably not so  much that 
nobody knows but that nobody CARES.
 
In an effort to justify your moronic insistence that everyone should stick  
to CW, because that's all that interests YOU, you set some meaningless task 
that  proves nothing.
 
I don't hear too many people on the list telling you what you should be  
doing, but hear far too many of your biased opinions as to how others  should 
conduct themselves.
 
Would you please, just for a little while please, ever so  nicely please, 
just stick your head back up your rear orifice where it belongs,  so that all the 
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NEWS FLASH
The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF=20
CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts.
Hope some of you guys get your T2 license to run the station after=20
construction. As soon as the snow melts and temperatures rise a bit the=20
large vertical will be errected. My QTH can only be temporary so we=20
must find a permanent home ASAP.

73, Steve

WA1HUD

President NEHRS, Inc.

http://nehrs.net/default.aspx

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
  To: rsgb=20
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:15 AM
  Subject: LF: PROPAGATION WSPR


  On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation as sug=
gested by some. Two procedures are required with the mode. First it has to b=
e detected then analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. Mors=
e sent in the QRS mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot only re=
quires one procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a good indica=
tion of propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.

  I have pointed out recently that I have observed all of the traces from th=
ose transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been directly keyed in QRS mode an=
 ID or intellegence would have been conveyed, whereas only part of the time=20=
was the signals decoded in wspr. For those viewing the print format only and=
 getting no copy would never know whether the signall was being received or=20=
if it was faulty sampling and decoding.=20

  Cut out the second procedure of decoding, avoid ambiguity and use the slow=
 keyed carried method using morse code or murray code. A waterfall display a=
nd the EYE is a very sensitive detector,=20
  For those experimenting with data modes have fun but todate in the amateur=
 radio LF/MF context nothing yet has surpassed the use of slow morse keyed a=
t a speed to suit one's needs ie propagation studies or communication betwee=
n two stations.
  mal/g3kev

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=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">NEWS FLASH<BR>The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FC=
C=20
the call letter WNE for MF <BR>CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maxi=
mum=20
power of 5000 watts.<BR>Hope some of you guys get your T2 license to run the=
=20
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ise=20
a bit the <BR>large vertical will be errected. My QTH can only be temporary=20=
so=20
we <BR>must find a permanent home ASAP.<BR><BR>73,=20
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"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">mal=
=20
  hamilton</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:=
15=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: PROPAGATION WSPR</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On&nbsp;LF &nbsp;I do not think wspr is t=
he=20
  correct mode to&nbsp;study propagation as suggested by some.&nbsp;Two=20
  procedures are required with the mode. First it has to be detected then=20
  analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. Morse sent in the=20=
QRS=20
  mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot only requires one=20
  procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a good indication of=20
  propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have pointed out recently that I have o=
bserved=20
  all of the traces from those transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been=20
  directly keyed in QRS mode an ID or intellegence would have been conveyed,=
=20
  whereas only part of the time was the signals decoded in wspr. For those=20
  viewing the print format only and getting no copy would never know whether=
 the=20
  signall was being received or if it was&nbsp;faulty sampling and decoding.=
=20
  </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cut out the second procedure of decoding,=
 avoid=20
  ambiguity&nbsp;and use the slow keyed carried method using morse code or=20
  murray code. A waterfall display and the EYE is a very sensitive detector,=
=20
  </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For those&nbsp;experimenting with data mo=
des have=20
  fun but&nbsp;todate in the&nbsp;amateur radio LF/MF context nothing yet ha=
s=20
  surpassed the use of&nbsp;slow morse keyed at a speed to suit one's needs=20=
ie=20
  propagation studies or&nbsp;communication between two stations.</FONT></DI=
V>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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USB to RS232 adapter work OK with a
transceiver RS232 hardware interface. My PC has only 1 RS232 port &amp;
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Gary<br>
Try to find an adapter that uses the "Prolific" chip-set. It supports
all RS232 commands<br>
These adapters are available from Hong-Kong (including shipment to the
US) for $5 (yes $5)<br>
Seems to be available for one British pound.<br>
See
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://cgi.ebay.com.my/USB-2-0-TO-RS232-COM-9-PINS-PORT-SERIAL-CONVERT-ADAPTER_W0QQitemZ180318214306QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL?hash=item180318214306">http://cgi.ebay.com.my/USB-2-0-TO-RS232-COM-9-PINS-PORT-SERIAL-CONVERT-ADAPTER_W0QQitemZ180318214306QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL?hash=item180318214306</a><br>
73<br>
Andr&eacute; N4ICK<br>
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Just received. Were it not for the fact that I don't like to leave
the PC switched on when I am away, I am sure I could continue to
receive Jim's transmission all night long

090109 0054   6 -23  1.2   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30  0     4    0
090109 0100  15 -16  1.3   0.503500  M0BMU IO91 30  0     1    0

73  Alberto  I2PHD  in  JN45sl  (going now to bed...)






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Subject: LF: Re: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq
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Observed on a spectrum analysier, spreading well outside the band upper 
limit.

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> OM
> Your transmission is outside the band limit, spreading to 504.6 khz.
> I can see why OFCOM are concerned about stricter control concerning data
> mode bandwidth.
> g3kev
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>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>>
>> centre frequency  503 khz
>>
>> tx mode usb
>>
>> power 30 watts tune signal
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>> Will send for next few hours
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>> Reports welcome
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>> Graham
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Ok tnx ,
73 j-p

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>> What "O" on 137778.35 ???
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> Dmitry RA3YO
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Im going to set the SDR IQ on 136kHz tonight in case some activity, 136KHz d=
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Im going to set the SDR IQ on 136kHz tonight in case some activity, 136KHz d=
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This is a 1.84Hz +-&lt;huge&gt; area (with a 0.1hz guard) that appears to be=
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See <A href=3D"http://kl1x.com/wwloran.gif">http://kl1x.com/wwloran.gif</A><=
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 Hi Gary,

The only problem I have come across is using it with the "dongle" for Radiocom 4 to control an Icom PCR 1000 Rx.
Otherwise there seem to be few problems. I don't think you will "break" anything if you try out.

73 de Pat G4GVW


 


 

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Hi 
Gary,


?


Should 
work.


?


My PC 
has zero RS-232 ports so I have to use them!


?


73,


Lee 
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Hi 
  All,

  
?

  
This may have 
  been asked before.

  
?

  
Will a USB to 
  RS232 adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware interface. My PC has 
  only 1 RS232 port & no empty PCI slots.

  
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73,

  
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<div> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hi Gary,<br>
<br>
The only problem I have come across is using it with the "dongle" for Radiocom 4 to control an Icom PCR 1000 Rx.<br>
Otherwise there seem to be few problems. I don't think you will "break" anything if you try out.<br>
<br>
73 de Pat G4GVW<br>
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<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Hi 
Gary,</font></span></div>


<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>


<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Should 
work.</font></span></div>


<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>


<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">My PC 
has zero RS-232 ports so I have to use them!</font></span></div>


<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>


<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">73,</font></span></div>


<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Lee 
M0LMH.</font></span></div>


<div><span class="108080422-09012009"><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>

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<b>Sent:</b> 09 January 2009 
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<b>Subject:</b> LF: RS232 
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Hi Lubos!

Lubos OK2BVG Ð¿Ð¸ÑˆÐµÑ‚:

> Hello LF!
> Only some traces of signal last night.
>
> 73, Lubos, OK2BVG

On 137776- UA9CS

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James Moritz wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
>
> The M0BMU WSPR beacon is now running on 503.5kHz again, hopefully 
> continuing overnight. Any reports would be very welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
Hi Jim, LF
 i  receive  your wspr signal (decoded, it is  also  automatically 
uploaded at wsprnet)
2226 -20  0.6   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2232 -17  0.8   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2236 -18  0.8   0.503504  0 M0BMU IO91 30
on my side it was a quick decision to try to see your signal when i saw 
your callsign (and qrg)  at the wsprnet
so nothing special here i.e. "1/2" of w3dzz antenna  +  some DSP 
filtering in my trx
anyway, the -17dB on my screen means that pretty soon you should get  
many many  reports from the other side of the lake.. :)
                    
                                                        yours, peter, sq7mpj
qth: lodz, poland/jo91rs/




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J. B. Weazle McCreath wrote:
> Hi John, LFers,
> 
> What is the 2187.5 kHz. MF-DSC that you mentioned in your
> reply to the query about the grabbers?


Hello JB,

Not really on topic for LF, but....

DSC is "Digital Selective Calling" - a part of the maritime safety
system GMDSS. It allows individual stations/ships etc to be called for
routine traffic and for distress/mayday calls to be sent.

There are (in general) 2 forms - MF and VHF (although the "MF" variety
is also used on the HF bands).

There is software available to decode the transmissions, the most
popular of which is "DSC Decoder" available at :

http://www.coaa.co.uk/dscdecoder.htm

2187.5kHz is the international DSC distress watch channel. To receive
traffic it's necessary to tune in USB mode to 1.7kHz below this freq -
so the resolved tones are centred on 1700Hz (ie tune to 2185.8kHz) - and
also necessary to (if using DSC Decoder) to select "Invert tones" in the
setup for the MF/HF modem. I find the "Use alternative HF modem" option
also increases the sensitivity of the demod/decoder.

It's interesting to observe where in the world one receives signals on
2MHz - I often see Shanghai coast station, as well as several other
remote Coast Guard places, in the US and Canada.

Hope this at least points you in the right direction. There's plenty of
info on the web about GMDSS and DSC - one thing to bear in mind is that
all vessels and Coast Statios have an identifier called an MMSI - and
the messages decoded always bear the MMSI of the caller and called
station. The software will convert Coast Station MMSIs to names
automatically, and if you right click on a ship's MMSI it will perform a
lookup at the ITU website and translate the MMSI to the vessel's
name/callsign (if it's listed in the ITU database). Over time this
builds up a local file (shipid.txt) that is used by the software to
translate MMSI - Name automatically.

That's probably enough to get you started if you are intersted, but
again, it's not really an amateur LF/MF topic. The NDB hunters are
probably the ones most au fait with listening and hunting for this type
of traffic.

Just shows how multifaceted this hobby is... too many topics, too little
time (and equipment)

John
GM4SLV


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From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" <beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Cc: "'Chris Osborn'" <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>
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Hallo Chris,

=20

just now I read your sad message about reducing your CW-activities on 500 kc=
.

Because this band is unfortunately still not released for German radio amate=
urs, I am often listening for stations in CW- and QRSS - Mode, and I am alwa=
ys happy to hear someone on this very interesting frequency.

Also it should be taken into consideration, that not all OM=E2=80=99s are fa=
miliar with the new Digital Modes on this experimental band.

So I would be very happy if there would operate some OM=E2=80=99s still in t=
he =E2=80=9Ctraditional modes=E2=80=9D.

Last but not least only these modes are allowing crossband.QSO=E2=80=99s whi=
ch are making our hobby somewhat more interesting.

=20

vy 73 de Gerhard  /  DK6NI

=20

=20

=20

=20

=20

  _____ =20

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org] Im Auftrag von Chris Osborn
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Januar 2009 10:02
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: 500 kHz - Silent majority

=20

I deduce that my (fairly) frequent transmissions on MF may be causing

some annoyance and inconvenience to local stations.

=20

Consequently I shall be QRT on 500 kHz for the remainder of this month.

This will give local stations an opportunity to use a quiet band without

G3XIZ QRM.

=20

I must report that sadly Adrian G4GDR has dismantled his MF equipment

and returned his N.O.V. to OfCom.

He was an active and keen MF operator and constructor but has lost interest=20=
due

to lack of activity.

I for one will miss him.

=20

73 Chris G3XIZ

=20


=20

=20

  _____ =20

From: Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 5 January, 2009 22:22:55
Subject: RE: LF: Re: Silent majority

=EF=BB=BF=20

Dear LF,=20

=20

Geri DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 137 kHz=
 a few years back.=20

=20

Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler too ;-)

=20

Follow the link below:-=20

=20

http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html

=20

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

 <http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html> =20

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep..org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org]On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 05 January 2009 02:37
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep..org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Silent majority


Hi LF=20

Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experimentation=20=
of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off the Int=
ernet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a 1000 w=
ords. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the world=
 by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.  The result may be a bit more intere=
sting than the shopping lists of stations worked, equipment lists and rig sp=
ecifications that get churned out ad nauseam over the weekends.=20

I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op friends wo=
uld feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.=20

No, the above suggestion is ridiculous. It does however, Einstein, Planck et=
 al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum bandwidth for=
 the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band?  I will start=20=
the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed with less=20=
than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then hand shaki=
ng could be introduced to ensure error free data transfer a bit like X25 slo=
w but sure yet confined in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max.  We need t=
o think outside the box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable modes onto 600m.=
 To evoke names like Planck and co with all due respect to Alberto (who I ad=
mire immensely for his great innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT processing softw=
are) I think,  is over the top. Nobody is into book burning and denial of sp=
ectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play with here in the UK=
.  I consider myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operator not a highflying=20=
=E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D radio spectrum quantum mechanic, but I would hope=
 we are trying to do more with less and I don=E2=80=99t think Olivia is the=20=
answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I would expect one of the=
 cardinal points in their specification, along with very narrow BW, to be co=
mpatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the effect on adjacent stations=20=
not running that particular mode.=20

In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming there a=
re any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narrow ban=
d data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.=20

Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground.=20

Vy 73 petefmt=20



--- On Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:

From: Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
Subject: LF: Re: Silent majority
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM

Steve McDonald wrote:
>> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
>> taken place on MF.
>=20
> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
> Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
> wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
> What an amazing gift.
>=20
> VE7SL / Steve
=20
This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:
=20
=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science.... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.
=20
The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...
=20
73  Alberto  I2PHD
=20
=20
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ial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;  color:navy'> Chris,<=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'line-height:14.4pt;background:white'><font siz=
e=3D2  color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:  Arial;color:black'>just now I read your sad message about r=
educing your CW-activities
on 500 kc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-right:149.25pt;line-height:14.4pt;backg=
round:  white'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB=20=
style=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Because this band=
 is unfortunately still
not released for German radio amateurs, I am often listening for stations in
CW- and QRSS - Mode, and I am always happy to hear someone on this very inte=
resting
frequency.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-right:149.25pt'><font size=3D2 color=
=3Dnavy  face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:Arial;  color:navy'>Also it should be taken into consideration, that not=20=
all <st1:place  w:st=3D"on">OM</st1:place>=E2=80=99s are familiar with the n=
ew Digital Modes on this
experimental band.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-right:149.25pt'><font size=3D2 color=
=3Dnavy  face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:Arial;  color:navy'>So I would be very happy if there would operate some=20=
<st1:place  w:st=3D"on">OM</st1:place>=E2=80=99s still in the =E2=80=9Ctradi=
tional modes=E2=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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ly:Arial;  color:navy'>Last but not least only these modes are allowing cros=
sband.QSO=E2=80=99s
which are making our hobby somewhat more interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></fon=
t></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-right:149.25pt'><font size=3D2 color=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;  font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font=20=
size=3D2  face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or=
g] <b><span  style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Chris Osbo=
rn<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Donnerstag, 8. Janu=
ar
2009 10:02<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> LF: 500 kHz - Silent
majority</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>I deduce that my (fairly) frequent transmissions on MF m=
ay be causing<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>some annoyance and inconvenience to local stations.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>Consequently I shall be QRT on 500 kHz for the remainder=
 of this month.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>This will give local stations an opportunity to use&nbsp=
;a quiet band
without<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>G3XIZ QRM.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>I must report that sadly Adrian G4GDR has dismantled his=
 MF equipment<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>and&nbsp;returned his N.O.V.&nbsp;to OfCom.<o:p></o:p></=
span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>He was an active and keen MF operator and constructor bu=
t has lost
interest due<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>to lack of activity.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>I for one will miss him.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>73 Chris G3XIZ<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;  font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font=
 size=3D2  face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'=
> Dave G3WCB
&lt;ganymede444@btopenworld.com&gt;<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, 5 January, 2009
22:22:55<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: LF: Re: Silent
majority<br>
</span></font><br>
=EF=BB=BF <o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Dear LF, </span></font>=
<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Geri DK8KW and Markus d=
id some interesting
slow-voice experiments on 137 kHz a few years back. </span></font><o:p></o:p=
></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:  12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Definitely not a DX-mod=
e, and a bit of a
bandwidth-gobbler too&nbsp;;-)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DTa=
homa><span  style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Mess=
age-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep..org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o=
rg]<b><span  style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>M0FMT<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 05 January 2009 02:37<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: LF: Re: Silent
majority</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0>
 <tr>
  <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=
=3DCalibri><span    style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Hi LF</sp=
an></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=
=3DCalibri><span    style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Since by=20=
general consent the
  600m band is now wide open for experimentation of whatever computer aided
  mode that can be down loaded for free off the Internet. Might I suggest th=
e
  use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a 1000 words. I have thousands of=
 holiday
  snaps I would like to share with the world by way of a 24/7 beaconing
  experiment.&nbsp; The result may be a bit more interesting than the shoppi=
ng
  lists of stations worked, equipment lists and rig specifications that get
  churned out </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span=20=
   style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>ad nauseam</span=
></font><font    face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-family:Calibri'> over th=
e weekends.</span></font>
  <o:p></o:p></p>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=
=3DCalibri><span    style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>I am not=20=
sure what my afore
  mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op friends would feel being only a few
  miles away from my QTH.</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><u><font size=3D3 face=
=3DCalibri><span    style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>No, the a=
bove suggestion is
  ridiculous.</span></font></u><font face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-fami=
ly:    Calibri'> It does however, Einstein, Planck et al withstanding, beg t=
he
  question; what is a suitable maximum bandwidth for the development of new
  modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band? &nbsp;I will start the ball rolling=20=
by
  saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed with less than 32c/s BW. Sin=
ce
  there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then hand shaking could be introdu=
ced
  to ensure error free data transfer a bit like X25 slow but sure yet confin=
ed
  in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max. &nbsp;We need to think outside t=
he
  box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable modes onto 600m. To evoke names li=
ke
  Planck and co with all due respect to Alberto (who I admire immensely for=20=
his
  great innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT processing software) I think, &nbsp;i=
s
  over the top. Nobody is into book burning and denial of spectrum to impede
  progress but we only have 3kc/s to play with here in the UK. &nbsp;I consi=
der
  myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operator not a highflying =E2=80=9CEinste=
in=E2=80=9D radio spectrum quantum
  mechanic, but I would hope we are trying to do more with less and I don=
=E2=80=99t
  think Olivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I
  would expect one of the cardinal points in their specification, along with
  very narrow BW, to be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the
  effect on adjacent stations not running that particular mode.</span></font=
> <o:p></o:p></p>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=
=3DCalibri><span    style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>In the me=
an time I am hoping to
  improve my manual CW skills assuming there are any stations still interest=
ed
  in that form of error correcting narrow band data transfer and are still
  prepared to QSO with me.</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=
=3DCalibri><span    style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Now retre=
ating into my cave with
  my knuckles dragging along the ground.</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=
=3DCalibri><span    style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Vy 73 pet=
efmt</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span    styl=
e=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>
  <br>
  --- On <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <i=
><span    style=3D'font-style:italic'>&lt;dibene@usa.net&gt;</span></i></spa=
n></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3    face=
=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>From: Alberto di Bene
  &lt;dibene@usa.net&gt;<br>
  Subject: LF: Re: Silent majority<br>
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
  Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  <pre><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>=
Steve McDonald wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 f=
ace=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&gt; There is virtu=
ally nothing new to discover or invent that has not<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt'>already<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"=
Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&gt; taken place on MF.<o:=
p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font=20=
   size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; There=
 you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as<o:p></=
o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; Mal has proclaimed that there is &quot;nothing=
 new to discover&quot;.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2=
 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Wouldn't it be<o:p></=
o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; wonderful if we could all see the future as cl=
early as he apparently does.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    siz=
e=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; What an ama=
zing gift.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Cour=
ier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></font></pr=
e><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0p=
t'>&gt; VE7SL / Steve<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 f=
ace=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:10.0pt'>This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of=
 past century.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"=
Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>At the turn of the 20th centur=
y scientists were absolutely certain that there<o:p></o:p></span></font></pr=
e><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0p=
t'>was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:10.0pt'>Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at=
 that time, wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=
=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:10.0pt'>=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] an=
d sought advice from<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 fa=
ce=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>my venerable teacher Phi=
llipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a<o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt'>highly developed almost fully matured science.... Possibly in one or a=
nother<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier=20=
New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>nook there would perhaps be a dust par=
ticle or a small bubble to be examined<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><f=
ont    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>and cl=
assified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and<o:p></o:=
p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of=
 perfection which,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=
=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>for example, geometry has=20=
had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font=
    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>The history of physics during the 20th century=20=
did show how dumb was that<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=
=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>point of view...<=
o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><fo=
nt    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>73=C2=
=A0 Alberto=C2=A0 I2PHD<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2=
 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2=
 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></font></pre><pre><font    size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre></td>
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:29:18 -0000
"Lee Hudson" <hudsonville@btinternet.com> wrote:

> 
> Well to be honest I'm most surprised with the reports from GM4SLV @
> 700miles.
> Thanks for tuning down for a listen, John.
> 

Hello Lee, LF

I was glad to see your signal on the brief trip down to 502.4 and I've
no doubt had I stayed longer on frequency I'd have received more from
you and at higher S/N ratios. 

I see from the database that the last reception report was at 03:48
from DF6NM. I've retuned now, at 07:30, to 501.4 to see if there's still
some activity as daylight breaks. Only Jim seemingly.

Well done for a first night - it's interesting to note that I'm further
away from you than DF6NM... The UK is a bigger place than most people
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Graham,

Copied this just now. MultiPSK Olivia 8-250 mode

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England

 CQ CQ CQ DE...gnbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kk



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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
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Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING
NOW - 1615 HRS


Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in parallel
it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running on
the same pc in beacon mode

8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference signal
and is not expected to  print as reliably

All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.

Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised

Running  3 mode beacon

Dial set   502 khz usb

1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz

1250 hz   psk31

1500 hz  MFSK  8

Reports  welcome

Graham

G0NBD

Io83LK





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look mum, so many WSJT spotters. And this one from 'across the pond' ;-)

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Dear LF enthusiasts and Andy,

KU4XR wrote 03.01.2009, 23:22 MSK(GMT+3h):

AK> I'm warming up all the gear to see if I can copy ED, RU6LA tonite
AK> on 2200 meters. Does anyone know what his possible ERP will be in
AK> this direction ??

TNX for the efforts!

My TX setup:
Big vertical on the 135m high tower - ~ 60...70m  H eff
valves PA - 80...120W Output
Iant (current) in ant 2..3A

P(ERP)=3D0.00033 * A^2  (for 137KHz, by RA9MB)
A=3DI ant*H eff, I ant in A, H eff in m
P=3D~ 5...15 W ERP

Some details look on http://136.73.ru/ed/index.htm
PA (new now) is connected directly to the electric system (without
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I'm packing in for now - need to go and cook some dinner.  Bought a
lot of spices and other ingredients for Indian cooking yesterday, some
of which won't keep for long so must go and use them up.

Hope to get back to Tx'ing in the week sometime.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/18 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
>
> Andy, Jim et al,
>
> Just retuned to 502kHz to see if I can copy any WSPR from you Andy,
>
> Also the grabber at
>
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg
>
> now will show the band 502.3 - 504
>
> Just seen some PSK at 503kHz (17:12) although didn't get a chance to
> try decoding it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> GM4SLV
> Shetland
>
>
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:01:01 -0000
> "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Andy,
>>
>> Copied your WSPR test just now. Reported frequency was 0.503500, so
>> no problem there.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>>
>
>


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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:28:19 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> John, LF,
> 
> I note that Jim's WSPR is showing 4 locator characters on my WSPR
> list but 6 on the spots page.
> 
> Gary - G4WGT.
> 

Hello Gary, LF

WSPR itself only transmits the 4-figures (eg IO90) but if you enter all
6 in the options dialogue of the software (along with your correct
callsign, NOT K1JT - hi!)  then any spots you report to WSPRnet will be
tagged with your 6-figure locator (as a receiving station). Furthermore
it appears that the database at WSPRnet is clever enough to apply that
6-figure locator to any spots others make of your own transmissions....

If you notice Andy's reports all show him simply as "IO90" - when most
other people are 6-figure accurate. I can only assume it's because he's
never sent a spot to the database as a RX station, with his accurate
6-figure locator attached. If he did so then all later reports of HIS
signal would be 6-figure accurate too, due to the database cleverness.

Not really a problem, but it aids accurate distance calculation.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV


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Hi Mal,
try to be qrv from 21:00 z with my Ropex (136,52 kHz).
Loc JN58 qb (nr Munich). Only CW - later in other modes.
73 
DK1KH



  "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> schrieb: 
Will  there be anyone active on 137 this evening CW or qrs3.
Take advantage of the DX season.
mal/g3kev

 

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Hello Victor,

no tx ant at the moment,just an active whip for rx,

73 gl

Victor pa3fny

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens ua3pw
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Good evening dear Victor !
Many thanks , i hope to see you on 137 khz .
All the best to you and good luck !

Victor ua3pw.






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me too.

M0FMT wrote:

> Hi Doc and LF
> =20
> I am with you on points 1/2/3/5/6/7 and 8.
> Nice one but don't leave us.
> =20
> 73 petefmt
>
> --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Dr. Tom Gruis <donnatom@netins.net> wrote:
>
>     From: Dr. Tom Gruis <donnatom@netins.net>
>     Subject: RE: LF: Razor blade RX
>     To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>     Cc: "Tom Gruis" <donnatom@netins.net>
>     Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:33 PM
>
>Items:
>
>1. I thought this was a list for people interested in radio and LF/VLF, etc=
.
>specifically.
>
>2.  I very rarely have posted although I read the list regularly and have
>been trying to learn. In this case I felt I had a viable contribution. I am
>sorry that you disagree. This has been just a little thread for a few days
>but does capture the interests of a few of us.
>
>3. I respect the members of this list for their individual skills and
>talents and respect their ideas.
>
>4. I have sent messages three or four times asking to be removed from this
>list. Would someone please help me do that? If no one does I will just mark
>these e-mail as junk mail and be done with it.
>
>5. As per an earlier posting today, USE YOUR DELETE KEY!
>
>6. I pity the lack of courtesy of the part of a FEW on this list. Mal makes
>good points and observations but so do his detractors ABOUT RADIO! The
>personal attacks are silly at best.
>
>7. There are most likely just a few of us sharing this interest and things
>should be more civil.
>
>8. My supply of the dorsal portions of the specified rodents is nil.
>Therefore, I can no longer offer any.
>
>9. Please get me out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>TNX es 73,
>
>Dr. Tom Gruis
>___________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve McDonald
>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 17:15
>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
>
>Can we not put an end to this nonsense? Who gives a rat's ass about razor
>blade radios?
>
>VE7SL
>
>
>
>         =20
>
>
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> =20
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me too.<br>
<br>
M0FMT wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid578142.49318.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com"  type="cite">
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        <div>Hi Doc and LF</div>
        <div>&nbsp;</div>
        <div>I am with you on points 1/2/3/5/6/7 and 8.</div>
        <div>Nice one but don't leave us.</div>
        <div>&nbsp;</div>
        <div>73 petefmt<br>
        <br>
--- On <b>Wed, 7/1/09, Dr. Tom Gruis <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:donnatom@netins.net">&lt;donnatom@netins.net&gt;</a></i></b>
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Dr. Tom Gruis <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:donnatom@netins.net">&lt;donnatom@netins.net&gt;</a><br>
Subject: RE: LF: Razor blade RX<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>
Cc: "Tom Gruis" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:donnatom@netins.net">&lt;donnatom@netins.net&gt;</a><br>
Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:33 PM<br>
          <br>
          <pre>Items:

1. I thought this was a list for people interested in radio and LF/VLF, etc.
specifically.

2.  I very rarely have posted although I read the list regularly and have
been trying to learn. In this case I felt I had a viable contribution. I am
sorry that you disagree. This has been just a little thread for a few days
but does capture the interests of a few of us.

3. I respect the members of this list for their individual skills and
talents and respect their ideas.

4. I have sent messages three or four times asking to be removed from this
list. Would someone please help me do that? If no one does I will just mark
these e-mail as junk mail and be done with it.

5. As per an earlier posting today, USE YOUR DELETE KEY!

6. I pity the lack of courtesy of the part of a FEW on this list. Mal makes
good points and observations but so do his detractors ABOUT RADIO! The
personal attacks are silly at best.

7. There are most likely just a few of us sharing this interest and things
should be more civil.

8. My supply of the dorsal portions of the specified rodents is nil.
Therefore, I can no longer offer any.

9. Please get me out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TNX es 73,

Dr. Tom Gruis
___________________________________________________________________________


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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>] On Behalf Of Steve McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 17:15
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

Can we not put an end to this nonsense? Who gives a rat's ass about razor
blade radios?

VE7SL



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Ill have the China Grabber running my night time in the area of 137.777 dot=20=
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<BR>Ill have the China Grabber running my night time in the area of 137.777=20=
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My darkness period is now at 0847Z, till 2325Z. Though with this smog it mig=
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Gary - G4WGT wrote:

> I can get John's grabber at :-
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/grabber2.htm
> or
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg
> 
> But at the moment but it appears to be off line.
>
Hello Rik, Gary et al,

My 500kHz grabber is, in general, offline at the moment. Occasionally I
run a temporary setup, as when Paul-Henrik was testing on 136 recently,
using my IC-R75 - which is my main "user" receiver and can't be
dedicated as a grabber RX. I am running out of receivers and PCs to be
able run 24/7 monitoring of everything I'm interested in, so things
change occasionally as the fancy takes me.

Currently I'm set as follows:

RX / Ant / PC number / Use
URL for received data



AR7030  / ALA1530 / PC#1 / 5MHz Beacons
http://g4irx.nowindows.net/fivemegs/comparison.php

IC-718 / HF wire / PC#2 / 2187.5kHz MF-DSC
http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/currentmessages.txt

IC-R75 / MF vertical / PC#3 / 500 or 136 WSPR OR 518 NAVTEX
http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190
or
http://www.frisnit.com/cgi-bin/navtex/view.cgi - look for the GM4SLV link...


Homebrew phasing RX ALA1530     2182kHz speaker monitoring


Occasionally I'll retune the IC-R75 to either 500 or 137 and run the
grabber, but this is on an "as needed" basis.

If anyone has a desire for remote grabber then let me know and I'll set
it up for the period of your tests.

Cheers,

John



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Dear LF Group,

Screen shot from earlier this evening around 1900utc showing RA3YO and 
UA4WPF at good strength, with an audible DFCW signal from DF6NM.

Cheers, Jim Moritz,
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Hello LF!
OK, Roman, thanks for information about lines. I have got similar info from=20=
Markus, DF6NM, as well (Russian Loran GRI 8000). As you can see, I captured=20=
this lines this night again. On the picture are also lines from LORAN-C Less=
ay (GRI 6731) on 137.773.0 and 137.780.4

73 and GL!

Lubos

****************************


=20
> From: rw3adb@rambler.ru
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:20:25 +0300
> Subject: Re: LF: Unknown lines
>=20
> ZDR Lubomir & LF!
>=20
> The 775 line- is a russian Chaika.
> When we copy 775 in Moscow the good prop from east russia still present=20
> as usual.
> The 781 line was looked by RA3YO some time. We are don't know what is=20
> that.
>=20
>=20
> * Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com> [Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:26:57 +0100]:
> >
> > Hello LF!
> > Does anybody know something about lines on the picture? They appear
> > every day after sunset and disappear with sunrise. They are very=20
> stable
> > and on the accurate frequency. I know lines from Loran-C, but these
> > lines are another else, I think.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Pozvi sv&#233; p&#345;&#225;tele z Facebooku a Hotmailu do Messengeru!
> > https://www.invite2messenger.net/Default.aspx
> >
> > * "Unknown_lines.JPG"
> --
> Roman RW3ADB.
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Hello LF!<br>OK, Roman, thanks for information about lines. I have got simil=
ar info from Markus, DF6NM, as well (Russian Loran GRI 8000). As you can see=
, I captured this lines this night again. On the picture are also lines from=
 LORAN-C Lessay (GRI 6731) on 137.773.0 and 137.780.4<br><br>73 and GL!<br><=
br>Lubos<br><br>****************************<br><br><br>&nbsp;<br>&gt; From:=
 rw3adb@rambler.ru<br>&gt; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>&gt; Date: Su=
n, 18 Jan 2009 00:20:25 +0300<br>&gt; Subject: Re: LF: Unknown lines<br>&gt;=
 <br>&gt; ZDR Lubomir &amp; LF!<br>&gt; <br>&gt; The 775 line- is a russian=20=
Chaika.<br>&gt; When we copy 775 in Moscow the good prop from east russia st=
ill present <br>&gt; as usual.<br>&gt; The 781 line was looked by RA3YO some=
 time. We are don't know what is <br>&gt; that.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; *=20=
Lubos OK2BVG &lt;bvgbob@hotmail.com&gt; [Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:26:57 +0100]:<b=
r>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Hello LF!<br>&gt; &gt; Does anybody know something=20=
about lines on the picture? They appear<br>&gt; &gt; every day after sunset=20=
and disappear with sunrise. They are very <br>&gt; stable<br>&gt; &gt; and o=
n the accurate frequency. I know lines from Loran-C, but these<br>&gt; &gt;=20=
lines are another else, I think.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Thanks!<br>&gt; &=
gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; ___________=
______________________________________________________<br>&gt; &gt; Pozvi sv=
&amp;#233; p&amp;#345;&amp;#225;tele z Facebooku a Hotmailu do Messengeru!<b=
r>&gt; &gt; https://www.invite2messenger.net/Default.aspx<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&g=
t; &gt; * "Unknown_lines.JPG"<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; Roman RW3ADB.<br>&gt; <br><=
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Hello,

who is in DFCW around 136.307 - 136.308?
I see DF6NM vy strong at .309, and RA3YO with a weak signal and QSB 
at 136311.2 - 136311.3 Hz.

RA3YO uses long intervals between dots... a very long message!

Then, I have a steady carrier with QSB at 136.310 - local or DX?

73 - Marco IK1ODO



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Klaus von der Heide wrote:

>Dear LF Group,
>.......
>
>Nevertheless, WSPR is not very near to the Shannon limit. 
>I spent nearly all my leisure time of the last year with 
>the design of a new digital ham radio QSO-mode HD43 that 
>comes as close as possible to the theoretical limit. 
>I will send a preprint on request.
>
>73 de Klaus, DJ5HG 
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>
Dear Klaus,
then i would appreciate receiving your paper  upon this hd43 mode.
In fact  some of my free time (not much of it, unfortunately) is used 
to  'play'  with
some variations of digi modes - as a part of my scientific job(quantum 
chemistry)
i do fortran programming so i took  old  jt44  mode of wsjt  i.e.  its 
fortran source and
using it as a starting basis i do some 'modifications'  for my own fun ...
btw, does  the "43" abbreviation  stand for the PUA43 system  of W7PUA
 which was  used in FSK441 protocol?
                                                                                      

                                                                           
73, peter, sq7mpj
qth: lodz, poland /jo91rs/




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Dear Lee, Graham, LF Group,

I did some experiments at M0LMH's suggestion (see below)... I think this is 
what he meant. Perhaps the results are also of interest to  people in the 
Group who have experience of writing DSP software for the PC.

The top trace in the attachment has the same WSPR beacon message as last 
night with normal windows clock settings.

The middle trace shows the effect of retarding the windows clock by roughly 
one minute, while transmitting. The current sequence continues until its 
normal ending, but when the even minute occurs on the re-set clock, a new 
sequence begins as well, so for a while there are two overlapping frames. 
After that, frames are generated normally, according to the RTC timing. At 
the moment you make the clock adjustment, the time display in WSPR stops 
incrementing until the windows clock has "caught up", when it starts 
incrementing again normally.

When the clock is advanced by one minute roughly (lower trace), the current 
frame continues and terminates normally. There is then a gap until the next 
even minute of about 1 minute, when the next frame is generated according to 
the RTC time setting.

I suppose this shows that transmission of a frame is initiated by the real 
time clock reaching an even minute, but once started, the generation and 
timing of the bits in the frame is independent of the RTC, although it does 
not tell us how that timing is achieved. Also, the fact that the time 
display in WSPR stops when you retard the clock, and that a new frame can be 
started in the middle of an existing frame, would seem to show WSPR is 
continuously looking at the RTC data.

The really funny thing is that two frames can be occuring at the same time. 
That would seem to suggest that more than one instance of the tone 
generation algorithm is in existence at once! Curious, but perhaps not 
connected to the problem in hand...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Subject: WSPR Timing issue


Hi Jim, Graham,

I've been having more thoughts on Grahams timing issue, and there are a few
possibilities.

Firstly assuming Graham has been receiving reports that he is on his
frequency from trusted sources then we can rule out sample rate error.
The crystal on the sound card would have to be a long way out to cause such
a problem.
I believe Graham tried two different sound cards with no change.

The second possibility is the the RTC on his PC is fast, again looking at
the reports from last night there does seem to be some drift but definately
not enough do be worried over.
And also I'm sure the time of transmission start was the same from the even
minute epoch.

This leaves a third posibility I think from recalling PC architecture and
that there is a Timer chip, this from memory is clocked from a separate
crystal to the RTC and certainly remote from the sound card. Some PCs use
this crystal also for producing the multiplied up CPU clocks etc.

Point being here is that the Timer is what dictates any functions requiring
sub second interval timing, and is used by windows for task switching etc.

It all boils down to how the WSPR software derrives its timing to decide
when the transition of a bit occurs.
I looked carefully at Jim comparision image, to first check if a bit had
actually been dropped somewhere, and I can't see one.

If I had written the software I would have used the RTC time to decide when
to start the transmission.
Then I would have used the sample rate as the main source of timing from
that point on until the end, even if compensating for a sample rate error.

In my opinion I think the RTC is used to start the transmission, and no real
error here.
The frequency of transmission I'm assuming is also correct, and no real
error from the sound card side.

However if the timing mechanism used to decide when a bit is over and shift
frequency is related to the Timer, this is where the issue may really lie.
Especially if this is how the software is written.
Using Windows Timers can yeild incremental timing issues too, and this may
be a manifestation also.

One final thought that crossed my mind, is that Graham my be using a GPS
signal to keep his PC RTC updated or possibly an NTP server.
>From reading deep and dark Microsoft helpfiles this does also affect how
windows maintains it's internal time derived from the Timer, this it keeps
separate from the RTC, but occasionally makes an alignment change.

If this is the case and Graham is updating his Clock say every second from a
GPS, then this could be enough to cause the incremental error.
Simple test here would be to disconnect any external time influence and see
if things improove.

My gut feeling here is that it is really a software issue, and not related
to the hardware as such.
Some may be caused by Windows itself not being overly well designed for
timing purposes.
Second the WSPR software not using the most reliable method for timing
things.

It could be worth another test for Jim to see what happens when you locally
generate a signal and then wind the clock forward say 1 minute.
Record one test normally, then anothor test with the time step introduced.
Does the data output as before and complete a full 2 minute cycle
Or does it truncate the data period skipped and finish on scheduled time
according to the clock.
Or does it truncate the data at the end.
This will give some clue as to how the data bits themselves are timed.
Be intresting also to time step backwards too!!

Cheers,
Lee.


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I registerd with WSPRnet and it is showing me as a user. Have just uploaded
the first spot.
It still gives my loc. as IO90 and not IO90IV
What's it got wrong.

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<div>I registerd with WSPRnet and it is showing me as a user. Have just uploaded the first spot.</div>
<div>It still gives my loc. as IO90 and not IO90IV</div>
<div>What&#39;s it got wrong.</div>
<div><br clear="all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href="http://www.g4jnt.com">www.g4jnt.com</a><br></div>

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Andy,

Are you looking at the same level of demodulation  for olivia and  mfsk ?

If so  that's a useful outcome as I know some stations are in the process of=
=20
making tx transverters, but don't have linear power amps.. in which case,=20
mfsk  may offer an  advantage over 2 tone rtt ?

Tnx- G ..


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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -=20
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
> throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
> important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
> particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
> getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
> but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
> poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.
>
> So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
> over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
> fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
> much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
> QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
>> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
>> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot"=20
>> <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>
>>
>>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>>
>>> OLIVIA :
>>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<U=
q
>>> 8
>>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>>> gnbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nb=
d
>>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>>
>>>
>>> MFSK8
>>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  =D9*BwkiroN9 -in=F0?Sd=DB4=BFhIa lr
>>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog  rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez;  uETqioB Vae   n Ct W
>>> amSdeMe=D4dYbV*=C5=AD  ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq =BCeeawi=20=
i
>>> =C0thiei=9A=B8etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jt=9E;a=BA o=BAnJ=BAo
>>> a I=A4narLx=FDikc igq'<anel6
>>> rmmz e rke wxe=FBhC vo)o=B7dad=AA=8Begseey(v e vt sce\ wVsccon  t"tciu
>>> tt=A3h,iFtI=BCv lre=A6eek=FAn =80i z=E0=C2UP nve =BD=F9I t$   : nNe t  l=
ro&"t l=D6
>>> e=B7=F7RenuIoqemfep ,=A4esss=ADfer tt=EA oequea8  =A4d=A7]xaV=B0N~u=C7 p=
Abd  g0nbd
>>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =ADiefo&
>>> kD kk e e0enm o=A7 HbecOgh=C9o  eno fsewtit,es m=CCx=AAoitn 'Xei eaer=
=FEii
>>> lscktleea it=A5 nd=B7WmoEi=ADxirwn mdW=E3=A6 7euc eg%oa loPttst   CQ CQ=20=
CQ
>>> DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk rBt=F28e=E6 t=B6=ADknmm)mL   io 4=
Eek a
>>> oiiqa  o zt eoun cKldd=F98 =B0o9aZnz=E5ee  1  =B9tlTtii0q=3Di ielsaa nu=20=
0 mPn=FA=FFK
>>> =B3S=A2 iwX=E4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=E2pg H Jant0n9=A8j=B7eoet n
>>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=F4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>>> a=B1 rotet a=DC Foe2_vl=A7ms=ED t=CCk  t=3D l=C5 edCQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd =20=
g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =AB=F2ee
>>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>>
>>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:39:59 -0000
"Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Thanks John,
> 
> looks like that signal would print rtty !
> 

Yes. I think it might do, we should try one night.

> wspr looks to  be ok at the moment .. only +1 hz

Don't believe my freq calibration - the R75 doesn't have the high stab
osc, and its internal master osc hasn't been tweaked - although it
seems pretty consistent with the other spots.


I've just tuned down to look for GW4HXO on 501.5 testing a new TX. The
grabber has moved to 501-502 kHz. His CW is RST 539 in SSB
mode/bandwidth!

Cheers,

John
 


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Hi all,
captures of xgj and wpf,

73

Victor

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Hi John,

I'm certainly pleased to read that! Thanks a lot.

73, Markus 

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 Hello Markus,
 
 1st decode
 
 2314    -23dB
 
 WSPRnet spot page gives QRB as 1444km!
 
 Cheers!
 
 John
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Good evening, Mal,
tnx fer report. Now QRO 1.5W ERP fer Dave, AA1A.  He sent me a screenshot wi=
th traces of my QRP-signal 2 days ago. Hopefully he can catch more this nigh=
t.=20
73   Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF


  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Walter guten tag
  No problem to copi ur signal vy strong here with my antenna system.
  73 gl de mal/g3kev

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Walter und Marianne Staubach=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:41 PM
    Subject: LF: weak signal


    Here is the weak signal for Mal. DI2AG on 505.090 beaconing.
    73   Walter  DI2AG / DJ2LF



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good evening, Mal,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>tnx fer report. Now QRO 1.5W ERP fer Dave,=20=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A    href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_gr=
oup@blacksheep.org"    title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>rsgb_lf_group@bl=
acksheep.org</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Walter guten tag</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No problem to copi ur signal vy strong he=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 gl de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: weak signal</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here is the weak signal for Mal. DI2AG=20=
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Not at this turn but soon I'll have a dedicated 500KHz air core loop + tube 
pre-amp + Kachina 505DSP with 200Hz brickwall filter + WSPR enabled PC (GPS 
time locked).

I will left this instalation running 24 X 7 so. The reporter Callsign will 
be PY3CRX (at GG66Rf).

Who knows ...

Regards;

Marcus
PY3CRX/PY2PLL
S. B. do Campo - S. Paulo - Brazil
GG66rf 



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All that is needed in Beacon mode is CALLSIGN all the rest that some send is=
 only wasting time for a quick ID for tuning procedures.
I am testing signal reception tonite but find it vy time consuming waiting f=
or a call ID so I do not bother,  back to 160 m for some DX
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It seems everyone is MISSING THE POINT. I want someone to describe how to ma=
ke  RX using a RAZOR blade detector and also how to make the HEADPHONE neede=
d to hear the signal, using the sort of components a soldier would have on t=
he battlefront or a POW.
Stick to the specific topic. I think noone knows how to do it.Think 1940 per=
iod and what was available.
g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: M0FMT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:23 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?


        Hi Mal and LF

        I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope detector.=20=
A true CW man, I would have thought, should only entertain the use of a Cohe=
re detector!

        Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a r=
ange 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a=
 much lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.

        http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm

        73 pefmt



        --- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

          From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
          Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
          To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
          Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM


          Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info fr=
om the web.
          g3kev

            ----- Original Message -----=20
            From: riese-k3djc@juno.com=20
            To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
            Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM
            Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


            310113517964   E bay too

            On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talkt=
alk.net> writes:
              Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back=
 I have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity t=
o submit a cct I will await replies. This method was used successfully  at C=
oldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
              Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applic=
able to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands=
.
              Build one and have a QSO using this RX
              g3kev




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It seems everyone is&nbsp;MISSING THE POINT=
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how to make the HEADPHONE needed to hear the signal, using the sort of=20
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        <DIV>Hi Mal and LF</DIV>
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        <DIV>I am disapointed in you Mal to be&nbsp;considering an envelope=20
        detector. A true CW man, I would have thought,&nbsp;should only=20
        entertain the use of a Cohere detector!</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work ove=
r a=20
        range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably wo=
rk=20
        over a much lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><A           href=3D"http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.h=
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        <DIV>73 pefmt</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton=20
        <I>&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE           style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;=20=
BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:=20
          mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF: Raz=
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          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your own cct and ideas and the he=
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          construction. Not info from the web.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 06=
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            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Razor bl=
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            <DIV><BR></DIV>
            <DIV>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too</DIV>
            <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" &lt;<A   =20=
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de and=20
              fence wire RX a while back I have had several requests for a=20
              circuit. To give&nbsp;others the opportunity&nbsp;to submit a=20=
cct=20
              I will await replies. This method&nbsp;was used successfully=20
              &nbsp;at Coldiz&nbsp;and other POW camps to receive BBC=20
              broadcasts.</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let us know how you would app=
roach=20
              the subject. This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts=20=
at=20
              the time were receicved on these bands.</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Build one and have a QSO usin=
g this=20
              RX</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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Markus,

> Despite some distant QRN, very good signals from XKO and WD2XKO were visible
> through most of the night, with the last "J" coming through as late as 9:15.

  Perhaps you mean XGJ at 9:15?

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ


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And he got a good decode both those two times, with the frequency reported
as 870 in each case (odd minutes listed in the database, coz of high Dsec
setting).  Surely not two oddities, exactly cancelling, on two completely
different machines.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


2009/1/31 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>

> Dear Andy, LF Group,
>
> Oddly enough, at the time your e-mail arrived, I noticed on the WSPR
> display that your signal frequency had jumped from  503869 to 503883 Hz. It
> stayed there for 2 frames (1838, 1840utc) and during that time it did not
> decode. After that, it reverted to normal frequency, and decoded normally.
> The other signals on the spectrogram behaved normally during this time, so
> I'm sure this was nothing to do with the receiver here.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <
> andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Cc: <jfell@tesco.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:02 PM
> Subject: LF: Anoterh WSPR timing error
>
>
> John, G0API, has been monitoring my QRP WSPR beacon most of the afternoon,
>> and getting the occasional decode at a S/N of -19dB, ie quite good.
>> However, he only manages a decode about one time in 10, randomly.  The
>> frequency is usually reported as ....855 instead of the ...870 it should
>> be,
>> although once in a while, it reports 870 and gives a proper decode.   So
>> it
>> looks as if he may have some sort of intermitetnt fault that affects
>> sampling rate.
>>
>>
>
>

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<div>And he got a good decode both those two times, with the frequency repor=
ted as 870 in each case (odd minutes&nbsp;listed in the database, coz of hig=
h Dsec setting).&nbsp; Surely not two oddities, exactly cancelling, on two c=
ompletely different machines.</div>

<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com">=
www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/1/31 James Moritz <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:james.moritz@btopenworld.com">james.moritz@btopenworld.com</a>=
&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Dear Andy, LF Group,<br><br>Oddly=20=
enough, at the time your e-mail arrived, I noticed on the WSPR display that=20=
your signal frequency had jumped from &nbsp;503869 to 503883 Hz. It stayed t=
here for 2 frames (1838, 1840utc) and during that time it did not decode. Af=
ter that, it reverted to normal frequency, and decoded normally. The other s=
ignals on the spectrogram behaved normally during this time, so I&#39;m sure=
 this was nothing to do with the receiver here.<br>
<br>Cheers, Jim Moritz<br>73 de M0BMU<br><br>----- Original Message ----- Fr=
om: &quot;Andy Talbot&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D"_blank">rsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jfell@tesco.net" target=3D"_blank">jfell@tesco.net=
</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:02 PM<br>Subject: LF: Anoterh=
 WSPR timing error<br><br><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">John, G0API, has been monitoring m=
y QRP WSPR beacon most of the afternoon,<br>and getting the occasional decod=
e at a S/N of -19dB, ie quite good.<br>
However, he only manages a decode about one time in 10, randomly. &nbsp;The<=
br>frequency is usually reported as ....855 instead of the ...870 it should=20=
be,<br>although once in a while, it reports 870 and gives a proper decode. &=
nbsp; So it<br>
looks as if he may have some sort of intermitetnt fault that affects<br>samp=
ling rate.<br><br></blockquote><br><br></blockquote></div><br>

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WE2XGR/2 will be in WSPR mode tonight starting 2030Z on dial frequency 507.000 kHz. The start time
has been moved up as las Tuesday's session produced copy as soon as the transmitter was fired up at
2200Z. It will be interesting to see how early stations are able to receive the beacon. Sunset here
today is 2206Z.

In years past CT1DRP on 137 kHz was received (QRSS30) here as early as 2015Z - more than an hour
before sunset.

Reports and 'spots' uploaded to the WSPR database are appreciated.

Jay  W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2



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Gudday Jim,

I have been seeing a signal on 503.5 but didn't know what it is...

If you then it was constant +10 out of the noise...

Let's know when you plan that again...

Dave WD2XSH/17


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dear Jay, LF Group,
>
> Thanks for the trans-atlantic report. Although M0BMU does not seem to be 
> powerful enough to allow consistent reception of WSPR across the pond, it 
> does at least show that peaks in propagation occur often enough to allow 
> some transmission of signals on most nights under the present conditions 
> on the band.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight
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>> Jim
>>
>> Only two decodes during the period although I started receiving late at 
>> 0000Z and the RX antenna was carrying about 1/2 inch of ice.
>>
>> 090108 0340   3 -28   0.7   0.503510  M0BMU IO91 30
>> 090108 0406   4 -28   0.6   0.503510  M0BMU IO91 30
>>
>> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>
> 



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Does anyone know why 137 khz was chosen as an amateur allocation, in that fr=
eq area it is the most polluted part, clobbered at both ends by commercial h=
igh power transmitters, whereas several khz up or down the band from 137 it=20=
is clear and I cannot detect any acty of any sort taking place.
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Ralph, LF,

That's good.  If anyone else is interested would they please let me know. =20

73
John F5VLF

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On 16/01/2009 at 18:39 Ralph Lane wrote:

>John, Thanks for pointing me to the Cossor manuel. Isearched the net and=20
>found the manual so you don't need to send me a copy.
>
>Thanks again,
>Ralph
>
>
>
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>In sorted out some of my testgear, I have found the above document.  Would=20
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>The equipment itself is is long gone.
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>73
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Over here, we get Coronation street every Sunday morning from 7:30 to 10 AM 
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----- Original Message ----- 
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> Jim
> You did  not mention 137 tonight. Maybe your preference is Coronation 
> Street.
> mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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>> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>>
>> Well, at least no-one on this reflector would dream of using abbreviated
>> gibberish or poor grammar!
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>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
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Hi Jim and group,

2002 -27  1.1   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2006 -23  0.9   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23

More reports here:
http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=&sort=date

73,
  Wolf .

James Moritz schrieb:
> Dear LF Group,
>
> I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/- 
> (136.0kHz "dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any reports 
> would be very welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
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>
>



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Jim,

Very strong signal - to be expected at this distance. No sign of G0NBD
tonight.

2214  -6  2.4   0.503509  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2226  -5  2.4   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2232  -5  2.5   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2238  -5  2.5   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2246  -5  2.6   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30
2252  -5  2.6   0.503510  0 M0BMU IO91 30

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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Dear LF Group,

The beacon is now up & running. I see there are 4 spots already on the WSPR
database. That was quick!

There is noticeably more QRN tonight, so it will be interesting to see what
happens.

Looking forward to further reports,

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Hi Mall,

you,re well come.
the SpecLab version was 2.6 b8 ? but all other versions do it as well.
Mal, I cant describe the steps I handled that program as good as the HELP file
does.
I followed the hints Wolf gives in that file.
have fun
Uwe/dj8wx


Zitat von mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Tnx Uwe
> I must try this method. If u have some info about setting it up let 
> me know and what version of speclab
> 73 mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <uwe-jannsen@versanet.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Antenna Diversity
>
>
>> Hi Mal,
>>
>> pse see also
>>
>> http://home.versanet.de/~uwe-jannsen/two.htm
>>
>> regards
>> Uwe/dj8wx
>>
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>> Zitat von mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>
>>> LF/MF
>>> I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using
>>> two loops. Loop A is 40 metres perimeter vertical orientation, Loop B
>>> is 190 metres perimeter also vertical.  Both loops optimum E/W.
>>> I am using two receivers in this experiment Ant A to Siemens D2155
>>> level meter, BW 20 Hz and vy stable, Ant B to Datong up converter and
>>> IC746 250 Hz BW. Both audio outputs to soundcard/ARGO display
>>> allowing 50 hz separation for observation.
>>> Observing DI2AM at present and having calibrared this signal on both
>>> RX outputs at a point in time, both signals are fairly constant but
>>> more variations have been observed on Ant A - 40m loop, the signal
>>> surges in strength and then fades down, whereas Ant B has a more
>>> constant output with less fade.
>>> More time is needed for a proper assessment and DI2AM is also a
>>> strong signal. I would need a few long haul signals for a proper test
>>> like Russian or USA .
>>> Interested in MF signals at present.
>>> This method would also work with a couple of small loops or a loop
>>> and probe type antenna, then at a glance one would know how each was
>>> performing, of course with the loop in the optimum direction for
>>> target signal.
>>>
>>> This is just a simple setup, it works well and no audio cross mod
>>> noticed, nice clean signals on display in spite of the fact that the
>>> separation is only 50hz.
>>> A nice balanced mixer would be a more sophisticated approach, that
>>> might come later.
>>>
>>> 73 mal/g3kev
>>>
>>>
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Ah yes, the coherer, worked for me during a reconstruction of the W1AA/Marco=
ni event...

But lets give credit to latter day technology as well and the Liquid Beretta=
, that truly sensitive with all AM detection capabilty invented by the augus=
t and sublime producer of genius, Reginald Fessenden...

Good thing that he had his clues on and that Armstrong used Reggie's heterod=
yne principal and also tamed deForest's audion into submission to do noble e=
arly radio work...

TNX fer your ears...  ( and eyes )

EOR  ( end of rant )

30s

Dave WD2XSH/17, in the Colonies...

=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:20 AM
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?


  It seems everyone is MISSING THE POINT. I want someone to describe how to=20=
make  RX using a RAZOR blade detector and also how to make the HEADPHONE nee=
ded to hear the signal, using the sort of components a soldier would have on=
 the battlefront or a POW.
  Stick to the specific topic. I think noone knows how to do it.Think 1940 p=
eriod and what was available.
  g3kev

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: M0FMT=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:23 PM
    Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?


          Hi Mal and LF

          I am disapointed in you Mal to be considering an envelope detector=
. A true CW man, I would have thought, should only entertain the use of a Co=
here detector!

          Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a=
 range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over=
 a much lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.

          http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm

          73 pefmt



          --- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

            From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
            Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
            To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
            Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM


            Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info=20=
from the web.
            g3kev

              ----- Original Message -----=20
              From: riese-k3djc@juno.com=20
              To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
              Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM
              Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


              310113517964   E bay too

              On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@tal=
ktalk.net> writes:
                Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while ba=
ck I have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity=
 to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was used successfully  at=
 Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
                Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is appl=
icable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these ban=
ds.
                Build one and have a QSO using this RX
                g3kev




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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Ah yes, the coherer, worked for me during a=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It seems everyone is&nbsp;MISSING THE POI=
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 and=20
  also how to make the HEADPHONE needed to hear the signal, using the sort o=
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  components a soldier would have on the battlefront or a POW.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Stick to the specific topic. I think noon=
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Razor blade RX .=
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          <DIV>Hi Mal and LF</DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV>I am disapointed in you Mal to be&nbsp;considering an envelop=
e=20
          detector. A true CW man, I would have thought,&nbsp;should only=20
          entertain the use of a Cohere detector!</DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work o=
ver=20
          a range 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probabl=
y=20
          work over a much lager range of frequencies but not tested by=20
me.</DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><A             href=3D"http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coher=
er.htm">http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm</A></DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV>73 pefmt</DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton=20
          <I>&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
          <BLOCKQUOTE             style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5=
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            mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF: R=
azor=20
            blade RX<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Tuesday, 6=
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            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your own cct and ideas and the=20
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            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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a=20
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ully=20
                &nbsp;at Coldiz&nbsp;and other POW camps to receive BBC=20
                broadcasts.</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let us know how you would a=
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s at=20
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                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Build one and have a QSO us=
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Hi Warren,

>>>>>>> Was XGR/6 audible?

Well judging by the SL display I would yes as I can hear signals with much
less visible trace than Bob's. Of course at that time I was in bed fast
asleep!!!!

I have SL capture 500 to 510KHz each 12 minutes.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

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Gary,

    Thanks, I will forward your report to Bob.
Was XGR/6 audible?


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73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1




On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> LF,
>
>
>
> WE2XGR/6 very strong signal at 0248utc this morning.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
>
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
>
>



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Guys, My 600KHz grabber is still QRV, The address port number had to change, 
and because I don't have a guaranteed static IP address, the best way to get 
at my grabber is www.dc2light.co.uk/LF_MF.htm
The WSPR decoder is also active, and the approx window is shown on the right 
hand side of the grabber. Last night on my return, I re-centred this so that 
it covers the top 200Hz of the band, nominal dial freq 502.4
Regards
Mark GM4ISM

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hi Rik, LF,
>
> I did make some changes a while ago, the 500KHz grabbers are operating at 
> :-
>
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html
> and
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html
>
> When in-operative due to work at my end I always place a notice on the 
> page.
>
> I can get John's grabber at :-
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/grabber2.htm
> or
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_136800.jpg
>
> But at the moment but it appears to be off line.
>
> And Mark's appears to have gone away!! at :-
> http://92.235.33.173:8080/
>
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe
> Sent: 29 January 2009 11:30
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> Subject: LF: where are all the grabbers gone ...
>
> Dear all,
>
> for various reasons (busy, antenna down due to construction) I haven't
> been active during the past 2 months.
> Today I re-installed the (improved) antenna. The work paid off,
> antenna current is up from 2.4 A to 2.8 A.
> But as I tried the grabbers some seemed to have gone or moved. G3YXM
> and GM4ISM are still where they used to be, but I couldn't find G4WGT
> and GM4SLV.
> Googling them didn't help (lot's of hits but all to dead links).
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
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Rik, LF,

Apparently not.

I have not used it but have seen several posts commenting on the fact that
it does not upload spots. I think the reason is that it is a QSO mode WSPR &
the version 1.01 is beacon mode.

73

Gary - G4WGT.


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Dear all,

last night I tried receiving WSPR using WSJT7.
It works fine, but I cannot find any "upload button".
Does WSJT7 (in WSPR mode) have an upload function ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Oh dear, I have to agree with Mal for once.
I'm fully with you there on grammar and punctuation in modern usage.

I know of one teacher who refuses and returns any written work that
makes use of Text-ese.   It has made her unpopular with kids and some
other staff.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/23 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Gary
> A shining example of what can be achieved especially by a disabled person=20=
.
> It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad light!!!!!! on MF/LF some class A
> operators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I assume they are able bodied. It
> used to be that a class A amateur had an advantage over the general public
> by being able to converse in morse code, just like another language except
> it was totally international.
> Even a worse senario, a lot of persons today cannot write, the norm is to
> use a keypad and send text messages using some abbreviated gibbirish,
> grammar is not required, sort of pigeon english.
> G3KEV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary - G4WGT
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 4:21 PM
> Subject: LF: RE: Morse code lifeline
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Here is a video on the above subject at this link :-
>
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Gary =96 G4WGT.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Michael Probert
> Sent: 22 January 2009 19:21
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Morse code lifeline
>
>
>
> Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009
>
>
>
> The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 2009
>
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>
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ID sideband from NDB station 400 miles down the coast is blasting in tonight 
and making false decodes in the 503.900 window so I nudged the 200 window 
down a bit and see that M0BMU is making some lines in all this rain and snow 
static...
Maybe good DX from NEED to y'all...
Thats only way to get a 2 way with us underprivileged 20 watters...

We asked the Doctor if WSPR is FSK of sorts and it's gone to committee...
Me and Bluie have a fiver that sez its OK...

Thats 503.870 kc... Its lower sideband sig...

Cheerie from /17













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Andy,

I would be good to have you aboard !

Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:00
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUN=
NING NOW - 1615 HRS

Yes, just about the same level of decoding, but MFSK certainly looks
weaker on teh spectrogrram.
 Need to stop Rx and tunr off now, but will monitor this reflector

Interesting stuff - half-tempted to apply for teh 500kHz NoV.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
> Andy,
>
> Are you looking at the same level of demodulation  for olivia and  mfsk ?
>
> If so  that's a useful outcome as I know some stations are in the process=20=
of
> making tx transverters, but don't have linear power amps.. in which case,
> mfsk  may offer an  advantage over 2 tone rtt ?
>
> Tnx- G ..
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:21 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>>
>> I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
>> throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
>> important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
>> particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
>> getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
>> but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
>> poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.
>>
>> So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
>> over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
>> fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
>> much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
>> QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>>
>>> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
>>> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
>>> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot"
>>> <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
>>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>>
>>>
>>>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>>>
>>>> OLIVIA :
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>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
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>>>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<=
Uq
>>>> 8
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>>>> gnbd
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bd
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>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>>>
>>>>
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=A4d=C2=A7]xaV=C2=B0N~u=C3=87 pAbd  g0nbd
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 'Xei eaer=C3=BEii
>>>> lscktleea it=C2=A5 nd=C2=B7WmoEi=C2=ADxirwn mdW=C3=A3=C2=A6 7euc eg%oa=20=
loPttst   CQ CQ CQ
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nmm)mL   io 4Eek a
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=3Di ielsaa nu 0 mPn=C3=BA=C3=BFK
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>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=C3=A2pg H Jant0n9=C2=A8j=C2=
=B7eoet n
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>>>> a=C2=B1 rotet a=C3=9C Foe2_vl=C2=A7ms=C3=AD t=C3=8Ck  t=3D l=C3=85 edCQ=
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>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =C2=AB=C3=B2ee
>>>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>>>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>>>
>>>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------=
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>
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>
>
>


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Hi!

After coming home I was checking 189kHz for the Radio Iceland AM signal.
Short glimpses showed a unbelievably nice reception again, still amazing to me, taking into account that there are 2505km beetween the TX and my location in the middle of a big and noisy city...

19:39UT: Q 4 / Interferences 4
19:49UT: Q 4 / Interferences 3

Have a nice evening and lots of DX on LF!
Dennis
DL6NVC


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QSL AA1A  QRSS3 502.57 loud and clean even wid QRN4-5

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Noticed same thing here, Paul with e-antennas, so tried this and it serves 
well from 17.2 kc. to 6 meters.
Pulled down all the other wire antennas, no more ground radials or top load 
wires needed, plus is more quiet on RX.
Gets out well on 600M too.  160M, 80M, 30M, it doesn't care where it 
tunes...
Mostly no de-tuning with snow and wet...  ( maybe 2 kc. )

TNX de Dave @ WD2XSH/17

ref: www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP1107.jpg




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Hello Mal, LF


In my case it is still snowing here, no way to keep the antenna tuned atm. 
Short
high impedance antennas are tricky to keep happy. Just like me they prefer 
dry
weather and clear skies :)

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> This band seems to have gone vy quiet again after a burst of recent acty. 
> Not
> even a grabber active.
>
> de mal/g3kev






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I was one of those, perhaps sad, individuals who could read Baudot punch tap=
e (from 6S and 6SM tape readers) pretty fast - I could often find typos Id p=
unched in the tape before reinserting them in the reader. Oh the days of 50=20=
baud non FEC RTTY. I seem to remember throwing out a CW tape reader when I f=
irst started work as an RO..
=20
Youd ask me to do it now and I wouldnt have a clue, except the RY perhaps -=20=
but people dont seem to lose morse that easily.
=20
Long haul pretty good so far and Im seeing DCF39 during Winter daylight over=
 the path to EU =3D
=20
Grabber is running centred 137.777 dot 60
=20
Laurence BY3A-KL1 X Tanggu China
G4DMA
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:24:24 +0000> From: C.Trayner@leeds.ac.uk> To: rsg=
b_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Subject: RE: LF: NON MORSE> > Dear Mal and others=
,> > > > Come on Jim, learn the Murray code.> > > Prof. Tony Brooker, who wr=
ote the first compiler compiler and later became Essex University's first Pr=
ofessor of Computing, once told me that he used to use Murray's code in his=20=
early days. Not on the radio, but for programming, sometimes in absolute bin=
ary. He commented that you got to know that if, for instance, the character=20=
was a an inverted comma and you wanted to set bit 4 then it became a digit 7=
 (or a letter U, at taste).> > They didn't eat quiche in those days.> > > <f=
igs shift> OO*.** OOO.O* <lets shift>> Chris G4OKW>=20
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I was one of those, perhaps sad,&nbsp;individuals who could read Baudot punc=
h tape (from 6S and 6SM tape readers) pretty fast - I could often find typos=
 Id punched in the tape before reinserting them in the reader. Oh the days o=
f 50 baud non FEC RTTY. I seem to remember throwing out a CW tape reader whe=
n I first started work as an RO..<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Youd ask me to do it now and I wouldnt have a clue, except the RY perhaps -=20=
but people dont seem to lose morse that easily.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Long haul pretty good so far and Im seeing DCF39 during Winter daylight over=
 the path to EU =3D<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Grabber is running centred 137.777 dot 60<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence BY3A-KL1 X Tanggu China<BR>
G4DMA<BR>
<BR><BR>&gt; Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:24:24 +0000<BR>&gt; From: C.Trayner@le=
eds.ac.uk<BR>&gt; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>&gt; Subject: RE: LF:=20=
NON MORSE<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Dear Mal and others,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &g=
t; Come on Jim, learn the Murray code.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Prof. Tony=20=
Brooker, who wrote the first compiler compiler and later became Essex Univer=
sity's first Professor of Computing, once told me that he used to use Murray=
's code in his early days. Not on the radio, but for programming, sometimes=20=
in absolute binary. He commented that you got to know that if, for instance,=
 the character was a an inverted comma and you wanted to set bit 4 then it b=
ecame a digit 7 (or a letter U, at taste).<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; They didn't eat=20=
quiche in those days.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &lt;figs shift&gt; OO*.** OO=
O.O* &lt;lets shift&gt;<BR>&gt; Chris G4OKW<BR>&gt; <BR><BR><br /><hr />Life=
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Now active on 500 and 137 cw CQ
No other acty observed at present.
g3kev

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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band? 

Oh no! 

Please let's not get into this again....

At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".

The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9 

There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.


That's just my view on how things have evolved.

"Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63

John
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Hello Dave, LF

Thanks for reporting!

Yes, that looks like me sending a longer CW ID followed by "TT" in QRSS3. Is
136.35kHz less suited at your QTH due to the local QRM? I can move back up t=
o
136.40kHz for a while if you think that helps.

73's

Paul-Henrik



Quoting Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>:

> Paul-Henrik, LF,
>
> I was definitely seeing traces of your signal around 1900 utc before you
> QSYd. See attached screengrab.
>
> No sign ot the QRSS3 on 136.35, yet.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Paul-Henrik
> Sent: 16 January 2009 20:47
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
>
>
> Danke Markus!
>
> I'm so positively surprised and if I had a bottle of Champagne it would be
> open
> now. These are very encouraging reports. Perhaps time to start building a
> more
> powerful transmitter now. The antenna is about as good as it gets on this
> property. An elevated loading coil could be worth a try though as the
> vertical
> wire is very near one of the supporting trees and I suspect some of that
> highly
> needed ERP is wasted in it.
>
> Will keep the signal coming for a few more hours, the PSU seems to do the
> job
> (PSU for my old retired Yaesu FT-250).
>
> 73's
>
> Paul-Henrik
>
> Quoting Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>:
>
> > ... this it what it looked like here at 20:18. Nice job with 20 mW!
> >
> > 73 - Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:18 PM
> > Subject: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
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> >
> > Dear Paul-Henrik, LF Group,
> >
> > Now building up to "O" copy...
> >
> > Cheers, Jim Moritz
> > 73 de M0BMU
> >
>
>
>
>




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For some reason I am not getting his callsign or locator, his signal is audi=
ble indicating -4dB or better.
mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:58 PM
  Subject: LF: WSPR - G0NBD


  Hi LF,

  =20

  Interesting observation.

  =20

  Tonight up to now I have only had one decode from Graham's WSPR & that was=
 when I had a high level of broadband noise here masking the signal.

  =20

  I have just inserted some attenuation into the Rx antenna input so there i=
s no S meter movement on the signal. Now it appears to decode each time.

  =20

  73,

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

  =20



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For some reason I am not getting his callsi=
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locator, his signal is audible indicating -4dB or better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary -=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">LF -RSGB LF Group<=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: WSPR - G0NBD</DIV>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
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T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tonight up to=20
  now I have only had one decode from Graham=92s WSPR &amp; that was when I=20=
had a=20
  high level of broadband noise here masking the=20
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T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have just=20
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  movement on the signal. Now it appears to decode each=20
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Hello Vernon ,
Joe VO1NA transmit in qrss75  on 184.509, 3 kHz  ( 10W in 100 m slopper=20
antenna )
73 Jean-Pierre f1afj

Vernon Matheson a =E9crit :
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> Joe what is your exact TX freq these days on 184 and are you using QRSS60?
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Jay.
Are u looking tonite for 500 qrs3 acty. I will be qrv on 502.57 khz starting=
 2000 utc - 2400 utc 3rd Jan. If u would like a qso.
73 mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:44 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???


  WE2XGR/2 Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Gary - G4WGT=20
    To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20
    Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 4:23 PM
    Subject: LF: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???


    Hi LF,

    =20

    Is this the first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??

    =20

    =20

    CQ CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk

    =20

    CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20

     CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20

     CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nb

    =20

    m0bmu ... ok jim  uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu=20

    =20

    copy ok ???  how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham=20=
good copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out the soft=
ware still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0nbd

    =20

    ok dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker ! =20

    =20

    fine copy 100%  what is your peak power o/p ????

    =20

    nice to  work you for the first time ..=20

    hr running   30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti  pa block .. mul=
tipsk ..

    =20

    ae  35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config

    =20

    ok ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still good co=
py when ur sig barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long i=
nv L antenna from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP shoul=
d be close to 1W BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd

    =20

    ok jim fine .. well all 100%  even in a deep qsb dip your signal fell un=
der the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode ..hihi/..=
  i used  250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a good copy under qsb .. b=
etter than psk ..

    =20

    your signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking on spec=
-lab and can only see same as my ouit going .......

    =20

    ok .. well  fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti  pa .. i=
m keeping=20

    power down hihi

    btu jim ???

    =20

    g0ndb de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had had a nas=
ty accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but mostl=
y OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude modu=
lation in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things a bit s=
impler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500hz bandwid=
th variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many complaints abou=
t bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd

     m0bmu .. de g0nbd=20

    =20

    ok fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx button=
 and the tx stopped hihi=20

    =20

    well this was a quick test to  see if this mode printed better over the=20=
noise ...looks to  work very well =20

    =20

    could   change mode ?   8 x 250  that would give a good test ,  reduce t=
o    8 x 250   8 x 250 ???

    =20

    bkbkbkbk

    =20

    ok graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8 x 50 m=
ode now - pse qrx...ok  changing to  8 x 250

    =20

    73,

    =20

    Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

    =20



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are u looking tonite for 500 qrs3 acty. I w=
ill be=20
qrv on 502.57 khz starting 2000 utc - 2400 utc 3rd Jan. If u would like a=20
qso.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Djrusgrove@comcast.net     href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@comcast.net"=
>jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 02, 2009 9:44=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: 500KHz first Olivi=
a QSO=20
  ???</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WE2XGR/2 </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2>Jay=20
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lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary=20=
-=20
    G4WGT</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">LF -RSGB=
 LF Group</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 02, 2009 4:=
23=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 500KHz first Olivia=20=
QSO=20
    ???</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi=20
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is this the=20
    first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
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=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
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ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">m0bmu=20
    ... ok jim&nbsp; uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">copy=20
    ok ???&nbsp; how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham=20=
good=20
    copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out the softw=
are=20
    still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de=20
    g0nbd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
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    dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker !&nbsp;=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">fine=20
    copy 100%&nbsp; what is your peak power o/p=20
    ????<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">nice=20
    to&nbsp; work you for the first time .. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P=
>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">hr=20
    running&nbsp;&nbsp; 30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti&nbsp; pa=20
    block .. multipsk ..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ae&nbsp;=20
    35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still good copy=20=
when=20
    <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">ur</st1:place></st1:City> s=
ig=20
    barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long inv L antenn=
a=20
    from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP should be clos=
e to=20
    1W BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de=20
    g0nbd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    jim fine .. well all 100%&nbsp; even in a deep qsb dip your signal fell=20
    under the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode=20
    ..hihi/..&nbsp; i used&nbsp; 250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a g=
ood=20
    copy under qsb .. better than psk ..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">your=20
    signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking on spec-lab=20=
and=20
    can only see same as my ouit going .......<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B><=
/P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    .. well&nbsp; fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti&nbsp;=20=
pa=20
    .. im keeping <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">power=20
    down hihi<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">btu=20
    jim ???<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">g0ndb=20
    de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had had a nasty=20
    accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but most=
ly=20
    OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude=20
    modulation in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things=
 a=20
    bit simpler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500h=
z=20
    bandwidth variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many=20
    complaints about bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de=20
    M0BMUkkkSd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">&nbsp;m0bmu=20
    .. de g0nbd <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx button an=
d=20
    the tx stopped hihi <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">well=20
    this was a quick test to&nbsp; see if this mode printed better over the=20
    noise ...looks to&nbsp; work very well&nbsp;=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">could&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
    change mode ?&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250&nbsp; that would give a good test ,&nb=
sp;=20
    reduce to&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250=20
    ???<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">bkbkbkbk<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8 x 50 mode=
 now=20
    - pse qrx...ok&nbsp; changing to&nbsp; 8 x 250</SPAN></FONT></B><B><FONT=
       face=3DArial><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-FAMILY: Ari=
al"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN      =20=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">73,</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG>=
<o:p></o:p></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN      =20=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gary - G4WGT -=20
    IO83QP.</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQ=
UOTE>
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Can wspr operators pse specify the signal freq and not the DIAL freq. Conven=
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Dear LF Group,

Thanks for all the reports on the WSPR beacon last night, which was shut 
down at about 0820utc this morning. Trans-atlantic conditions seemed good, 
with about 40 successful decodes at A1AA out of a possible 80 or so.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Hi Mall,

you,re wellcome.
the SpecLab version was 2.6 b8 ? but all other versions do it as well.
Mal, I cant describe the steps I handled that program as good as the HELP file
does.
I followed the hints Wolf gives in that file.
have fun
Uwe/dj8wx


Zitat von mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Tnx Uwe
> I must try this method. If u have some info about setting it up let 
> me know and what version of speclab
> 73 mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <uwe-jannsen@versanet.de>
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> Subject: Re: LF: Antenna Diversity
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>
>> Hi Mal,
>>
>> pse see also
>>
>> http://home.versanet.de/~uwe-jannsen/two.htm
>>
>> regards
>> Uwe/dj8wx
>>
>>
>>
>> Zitat von mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>
>>> LF/MF
>>> I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using
>>> two loops. Loop A is 40 metres perimeter vertical orientation, Loop B
>>> is 190 metres perimeter also vertical.  Both loops optimum E/W.
>>> I am using two receivers in this experiment Ant A to Siemens D2155
>>> level meter, BW 20 Hz and vy stable, Ant B to Datong up converter and
>>> IC746 250 Hz BW. Both audio outputs to soundcard/ARGO display
>>> allowing 50 hz separation for observation.
>>> Observing DI2AM at present and having calibrared this signal on both
>>> RX outputs at a point in time, both signals are fairly constant but
>>> more variations have been observed on Ant A - 40m loop, the signal
>>> surges in strength and then fades down, whereas Ant B has a more
>>> constant output with less fade.
>>> More time is needed for a proper assessment and DI2AM is also a
>>> strong signal. I would need a few long haul signals for a proper test
>>> like Russian or USA .
>>> Interested in MF signals at present.
>>> This method would also work with a couple of small loops or a loop
>>> and probe type antenna, then at a glance one would know how each was
>>> performing, of course with the loop in the optimum direction for
>>> target signal.
>>>
>>> This is just a simple setup, it works well and no audio cross mod
>>> noticed, nice clean signals on display in spite of the fact that the
>>> separation is only 50hz.
>>> A nice balanced mixer would be a more sophisticated approach, that
>>> might come later.
>>>
>>> 73 mal/g3kev
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Hi LF,

Unknowingly at the time I had the same situation. I saw Grahams signal &
started WSPR & the first frame I received decoded OK but on the waterfall
display it showed that it had only read half a frame. Then after that I had
no more decodes until I attenuated the signal down to the noise.

This confirms Jim's & Lee's findings.

Gary - G4WGT.

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Subject: LF: WSPR - G0NBD vs M0BMU

I've just watched Jim and Grahams transmissions both in the same slot for
four periods. And all decoded OK.
At a rough guess Grahams transmission was 1500ms shorter in duration than
Jims.
Thus confirming Jims tedious findings.

This constitues a reasonable bit rate error.

I suppose over a longer period of receiving Grahams signal will tend to
produce more erroneous data and be rejected.
Pulling out the antenna early has limited this accululating error.

The converse is probably true on receive, just how long are stations really
receiving for.
And the net total of both transmission and reception timing errors between
two specific stations yeild this odd outcome where, some stations
combinations receive consistently fine, while others struggle.
Stations that clearly see multiple transmissions, yet fail to decode any are
probably suffering a receive frame timing error.

The questions maybe how much of a timing discrepancy is WSPR prepared to
tolerate.
And/or does it make any attempt to phase lock onto the data stream presented
(if so what's the pull in range).

Just some thoughts for the cooking pot.

73,
Lee M0LMH.




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Dear Graham, LF Group,

Remembering what I said jokingly to RA3AGC a few days ago about visually 
verifying a spectrogram trace of a WSPR signal, and the discussions of 
merits of WSPR vs QRSS, I thought this ought to work for diagnosis 
purposes - after all, WSPR is measuring the received frequency changes and 
the times at which they change, and in principle the same info is displayed 
by the spectrogram.

So I spent a "hugely exciting" couple of hours studying your signal with 
Spectrum Lab, and comparing it with a locally generated signal from my PC 
(which everyone seems to decode OK), configured with the same beacon message

you have been transmitting. Eventually, I realised that the difference was 
that your transmissions are a few seconds shorter than the locally generated

signals - in the attachment, the locally generated signals have the dark, 
noise free background. This means the transmitted sequence will be a couple 
of symbols out of step by the end of each transmission - I expect that could

mess up the demodulation/decoding processes quite a lot. If you have a noisy

signal, the demodulator/decoder might be using effectively just the least 
noisy fraction of the signal, with less timing error over a shorter part of 
the sequence.

To test this theory, I waited until about 1 minute of your signal had 
appeared on the spectrogram, then unplugged the antenna, so that the 
remaining minute was white noise. The result was successful decodes! I tried

this 3 times, and it worked 3 times. So your signal does not have to be 
noisy in order to decode, there has to be part of it missing in order to 
decode!

So that might be why the signals don't decode - whether this is a problem 
with the soundcard, motherboard, or software is probably a question for 
K1JT! Still, a step in the right direction...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Dear Andy,

if you want to change power it might make sense to go up and down on a short=
er timescale, as otherwise it may be difficult to tell the effects from a ge=
nerally increasing noise background. I'm seeing your signal weakly on spectr=
ogram with a little doiwnward drift, but no decodes yet, so not much hope fo=
r QRPP this way.=20

I have now set up WSPR for LF/MF half duplex, transmitting 25% on 137.568, a=
nd listening around 503.900 inbetween.

Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Andy Talbot=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:42 PM
  Subject: LF: WSPR - JNT


  I'm WSPRing again.  Tere was a request earlier this week for some more QRP=
 operation, so I've put a switched attenuator into circuit ready.  Currrentl=
y running at the original 80 Watts figure, but throughout the evening, I wil=
l progressively reduce power in steps - unless there are any requests for sp=
ecific reductions.   Fully linear system and I have 1dB resolution available=
.

  Suggestions pse for power levels.

  Also do have the margin to increase power by about 2 - 3dB as well,=20



  Andy  G4JNT
  www.g4jnt.com

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear&nbsp;Andy,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if you&nbsp;want to change power it might m=
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sense&nbsp;to&nbsp;go up and down on a shorter timescale, as otherwise=20
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drift, but no decodes yet, so not much hope for QRPP this way. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have&nbsp;now set up WSPR&nbsp;for LF/MF=20=
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duplex,&nbsp;transmitting 25% on 137.568, and listening around 503.900=20
inbetween.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kind regards,</FONT></DIV>
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Sorry Graham,

I only listened for Olivia - I've not tried multiPSK MFSK yet. I've got a
screenshot of the waterfall display showing the Olivia signal received here,
along with the other stations. I'll send it direct- too big for the
reflector!

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Dave,

Thanks for that , That is close to the full beacon text .. did you take any
of the mfsk ?

Tnx- G ..

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>
> Graham,
>
> Copied this just now. MultiPSK Olivia 8-250 mode
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...gnbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kk
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
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> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING
> NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in
> parallel
> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running
> on
> the same pc in beacon mode
>
> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference
> signal
> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>
> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>
> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>
> Running  3 mode beacon
>
> Dial set   502 khz usb
>
> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>
> 1250 hz   psk31
>
> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>
> Reports  welcome
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
> Io83LK
>
>
>
>
>



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>




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gm all,
fwg just rd fm radio-officers@googlegroups.com

begins

According to a message in NRRL-HQ bulletin QST-LA0309, the Norwegian PTT sup=
ports the views of NRRL that the historic significance of 500 kHz should be=20=
kept alive through use of its primary mode Morse telegraphy, and has granted=
 a preliminary permission for Norwegian radio amateurs to operate on a secon=
dary basis in the frequency band 490 =96 510 kHz using A1A only. The prelimi=
nary permission runs until the results from WRC2011 is known. Detailed regul=
ations for operation in this narrow segment are under preparations by NRRL a=
nd the Norwegian PTT. The results from these are expected to be ready early=20=
spring 2009, and thus no operation will take place until they are announced.

 Hans Chr. Haaland

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Hi Mal,
tnx fer clear screenshot. Good for the lecture on the Friedrichshafen hamven=
tion this year. Seems to be strong enough for audio reception. Should I inse=
rt a callsign-only CW-ID after each QRSS3?
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Dear Vern, LF Group,

Just woke up after setting the alarm clock to check all OK with the TX and 
antenna here, and was very pleasantly surprised to see your decodes of my 
WSPR signal. I am running well under the full 1W ERP (I estimate about 
300mW) due to antenna limitations here, and so was not seriously expecting 
transatlantic reception. So this is excellent news!

Since all seems OK, and sigs still being copied by GM4SLV and DF6NM, I may 
as well keep the beacon running until morning and see how things change at 
sunrise. Back to bed now - at least that made it worthwhile dragging myself 
out at this unearthly hour!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> How about that.....well done guys!!!! I am very excited about this....
>
> Vernon - FN85ki
>
>
> 090114 2232   1 -24  5.9   0.137510  73 DE SCP/LN8PHG        0  7540   32
> 090115 0016   1 -26  0.2   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23           0    47    0
> 090115 0020   3 -26  0.3   0.137500  M0BMU IO91 23           0  2839    0
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Hi all,

any who know abt RS232 and WSPR!


can WSPR program accept "DTR" as interface power from RS 232 port ?


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I disagree - ERP is the licenced figure, and its what really matters
in the propagation tests.

WSPR only allows a few values, with several dB between them, and it
really should be possible to get an estimat of antenna efficiency to
that sort of value.   Rloss / calculated Rrad is easy enough to
measure.

Andy  G4JNT
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2009/1/25 John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:24:23 -0000
> "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.
>>
> Hello Gary, LF,
>
> I'm getting a fairly reliable signal from you, with just enough QSB to
> dip under the decoding margin from time to time.
>
> As to power reporting, I see that most people on LF/MF are attempting
> to estimate ERP, and use this figure in the beacon data.
>
> There was much discussion on the WSPR forum on the merits or otherwise
> of this approach, in the HF sphere at least.
>
> It might be easier if we adopted the same approach as is recommended
> for HF use - to report the actual TX power, not ERP.
>
> I see your last beacon is reporting 3dBm! Wow... that really is "flea
> power". Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW
> ERP from a large one.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> GM4SLV
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>


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I haven't really been following this thread, and have deleted many of the
relevent messages, unfortunately.  But you can quite safely assume that all
timing, apart from the ititial even minute kick-off, WILL most definitely be
all derived via the soundcard.   The whole beauty behind the WSPR (and the
JT65 and FSK441) protocols is that the tone spacings and signalling
intervals are coherent.  If they weren't, you couldn't have such tone narrow
spacing with that symbol interval.

The WSPR tone spacing is 12000Hz / 8192 ~~ 1.48Hz.  The signalling interval
is the reciprocal of this, or 0.68 seconds.   (there are 162 symbols, and
162 * 8192 / 12000 = 110.592 seconds - just under two minutes, the frame
interval.)   This exact relationshihp allows semi-coherent processing to be
performed.

Timing needs to be sufficient such that after 162 symbols, the final one is
still reasonably aligned.  When I was writing the JT65 PIC code eventually
used on GB3VHF and 'RAL  beacons, I mentioned this aspect to Joe K1JT, as I
knew the PIC generated timing would be in error by several tens of ppm. to
ask his opinion.  He reckoned that provided the final symbol was aligned to
better than about 50% of its length, the decoding wouldn't suffer too much.
So my tens of ppm was more than adequate.   50% actually sounds quite
generous;  I would have thought a 10% alignment was more like that required
for no serious degradation.

If the same rule applies to WSPR, this suggests a soundcard timing error of
0.68 / 2 = 340ms after 110 seconds, or 0.3%.  So a sampling rate error of
+/-37Hz at 12kHz is permitted.

I think there was a reference to 1.5 seconds error in a previous posting on
this matter - this is very bad if it refers to the run-time and not just a
timing error..
Now this is pure speculation on my part, but could, just, explain why weak
signals could be copied, and strong ones not...
If copy is good, the receiver will try to decode all the symbols, which will
not match but it won't know which to reject so teh mesasge fails in
totality.
With a weaker signal, the decoding algorithm may just look at a portion of
the stream, which may be good enough and have not drifted too much in timing
- so will generate a valid decode.

I suggest you study thoroughly the JT65 description on Joe's website, and
understand the principles of that coding - as WSPR hasn't yet been
written-up.    WSPR uses similar coding and synchronisation principles to
JT65, although obviously different physical properties such as number of
tones, spacing and time interval;  even base soundcard rate.

And yes, in Windoze programming multiple wave threads can run in
parallel.  You can open multiple buffers and they all concatenate
automatically, passing from one to another seamlessly as soon as each one
empties.   In fact, for coherent, continuous, reading or writing of wave
data, ping-pong buffers have to be set up, so that one can be processed
while the other is read from or written to,  to avoid missing samples.
Many software writers open multiple buffers within a programme so as
to allow seamless interupt processing and allow user I/O.
Its not connected to the problem in hand.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


2009/1/29 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>

> Dear Lee, Graham, LF Group,
>
> I did some experiments at M0LMH's suggestion (see below)... I think this is
> what he meant. Perhaps the results are also of interest to  people in the
> Group who have experience of writing DSP software for the PC.
>
> The top trace in the attachment has the same WSPR beacon message as last
> night with normal windows clock settings.
>
> The middle trace shows the effect of retarding the windows clock by roughly
> one minute, while transmitting. The current sequence continues until its
> normal ending, but when the even minute occurs on the re-set clock, a new
> sequence begins as well, so for a while there are two overlapping frames.
> After that, frames are generated normally, according to the RTC timing. At
> the moment you make the clock adjustment, the time display in WSPR stops
> incrementing until the windows clock has "caught up", when it starts
> incrementing again normally.
>
> When the clock is advanced by one minute roughly (lower trace), the current
> frame continues and terminates normally. There is then a gap until the next
> even minute of about 1 minute, when the next frame is generated according to
> the RTC time setting.
>
> I suppose this shows that transmission of a frame is initiated by the real
> time clock reaching an even minute, but once started, the generation and
> timing of the bits in the frame is independent of the RTC, although it does
> not tell us how that timing is achieved. Also, the fact that the time
> display in WSPR stops when you retard the clock, and that a new frame can be
> started in the middle of an existing frame, would seem to show WSPR is
> continuously looking at the RTC data.
>
> The really funny thing is that two frames can be occuring at the same time.
> That would seem to suggest that more than one instance of the tone
> generation algorithm is in existence at once! Curious, but perhaps not
> connected to the problem in hand...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Hudson" <
> hudsonville@btinternet.com>
> To: "'James Moritz'" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>; "'Graham'" <
> g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:18 PM
> Subject: WSPR Timing issue
>
>
> Hi Jim, Graham,
>
> I've been having more thoughts on Grahams timing issue, and there are a few
> possibilities.
>
> Firstly assuming Graham has been receiving reports that he is on his
> frequency from trusted sources then we can rule out sample rate error.
> The crystal on the sound card would have to be a long way out to cause such
> a problem.
> I believe Graham tried two different sound cards with no change.
>
> The second possibility is the the RTC on his PC is fast, again looking at
> the reports from last night there does seem to be some drift but definately
> not enough do be worried over.
> And also I'm sure the time of transmission start was the same from the even
> minute epoch.
>
> This leaves a third posibility I think from recalling PC architecture and
> that there is a Timer chip, this from memory is clocked from a separate
> crystal to the RTC and certainly remote from the sound card. Some PCs use
> this crystal also for producing the multiplied up CPU clocks etc.
>
> Point being here is that the Timer is what dictates any functions requiring
> sub second interval timing, and is used by windows for task switching etc.
>
> It all boils down to how the WSPR software derrives its timing to decide
> when the transition of a bit occurs.
> I looked carefully at Jim comparision image, to first check if a bit had
> actually been dropped somewhere, and I can't see one.
>
> If I had written the software I would have used the RTC time to decide when
> to start the transmission.
> Then I would have used the sample rate as the main source of timing from
> that point on until the end, even if compensating for a sample rate error.
>
> In my opinion I think the RTC is used to start the transmission, and no
> real
> error here.
> The frequency of transmission I'm assuming is also correct, and no real
> error from the sound card side.
>
> However if the timing mechanism used to decide when a bit is over and shift
> frequency is related to the Timer, this is where the issue may really lie.
> Especially if this is how the software is written.
> Using Windows Timers can yeild incremental timing issues too, and this may
> be a manifestation also.
>
> One final thought that crossed my mind, is that Graham my be using a GPS
> signal to keep his PC RTC updated or possibly an NTP server.
> From reading deep and dark Microsoft helpfiles this does also affect how
> windows maintains it's internal time derived from the Timer, this it keeps
> separate from the RTC, but occasionally makes an alignment change.
>
> If this is the case and Graham is updating his Clock say every second from
> a
> GPS, then this could be enough to cause the incremental error.
> Simple test here would be to disconnect any external time influence and see
> if things improove.
>
> My gut feeling here is that it is really a software issue, and not related
> to the hardware as such.
> Some may be caused by Windows itself not being overly well designed for
> timing purposes.
> Second the WSPR software not using the most reliable method for timing
> things.
>
> It could be worth another test for Jim to see what happens when you locally
> generate a signal and then wind the clock forward say 1 minute.
> Record one test normally, then anothor test with the time step introduced.
> Does the data output as before and complete a full 2 minute cycle
> Or does it truncate the data period skipped and finish on scheduled time
> according to the clock.
> Or does it truncate the data at the end.
> This will give some clue as to how the data bits themselves are timed.
> Be intresting also to time step backwards too!!
>
> Cheers,
> Lee.
>
>

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<div>I haven&#39;t really been following this thread, and have deleted many=20=
of the relevent messages, unfortunately.&nbsp; But you can quite safely assu=
me that all timing, apart from the ititial even minute kick-off,&nbsp;WILL m=
ost definitely&nbsp;be all derived via the soundcard.&nbsp;&nbsp; The whole=20=
beauty behind the WSPR (and the JT65 and FSK441) protocols is that the tone=20=
spacings and signalling intervals are coherent.&nbsp; If they weren&#39;t, y=
ou couldn&#39;t have such tone narrow spacing with that symbol interval.&nbs=
p; </div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The WSPR tone spacing is 12000Hz / 8192&nbsp;~~ 1.48Hz.&nbsp; The signa=
lling interval is the reciprocal of this, or 0.68 seconds.&nbsp;&nbsp; (ther=
e are 162 symbols, and 162 * 8192 / 12000 =3D 110.592 seconds - just under t=
wo minutes, the frame interval.)&nbsp;&nbsp; This exact relationshihp allows=
 semi-coherent processing to be performed.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Timing needs to be sufficient such that after 162 symbols, the final on=
e is still reasonably aligned.&nbsp; When I was writing the JT65 PIC code ev=
entually used on GB3VHF and &#39;RAL&nbsp; beacons, I mentioned this aspect=20=
to Joe K1JT, as I knew the PIC generated timing would be in error by several=
 tens of ppm. to ask his opinion.&nbsp; He reckoned that provided the final=20=
symbol was aligned to better than about 50% of its length, the decoding woul=
dn&#39;t suffer too much.&nbsp; So my tens of ppm was more than adequate.&nb=
sp;&nbsp; 50% actually sounds quite generous; &nbsp;I would have&nbsp;though=
t a 10% alignment was more like that required for no serious degradation.</d=
iv>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>If the same rule applies to WSPR, this suggests a soundcard timing erro=
r of 0.68 / 2 =3D 340ms after 110 seconds, or 0.3%.&nbsp; So a sampling rate=
&nbsp;error&nbsp;of +/-37Hz at 12kHz is permitted.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I think there was a reference to 1.5 seconds error in a previous postin=
g on this matter - this is very bad if it refers to the run-time and not jus=
t a timing error..</div>
<div>Now this is pure speculation on my part, but could, just, explain why w=
eak signals could be copied, and strong ones not...</div>
<div>If copy is good, the receiver will try to decode all the symbols, which=
 will not match but it won&#39;t know which to reject so teh mesasge fails i=
n totality.</div>
<div>With a weaker signal, the decoding algorithm may just look at a portion=
 of the stream, which may be good enough and have not drifted too much in ti=
ming - so will generate a valid decode.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I suggest you study thoroughly the JT65 description on Joe&#39;s websit=
e, and understand the principles of that coding - as WSPR hasn&#39;t yet bee=
n written-up.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; WSPR uses similar coding and synchronisation=
&nbsp;principles to JT65, although obviously different physical properties s=
uch as number of tones, spacing and time interval;&nbsp; even base soundcard=
 rate.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>And yes, in Windoze programming&nbsp;multiple wave threads can run in p=
arallel.&nbsp;&nbsp;You can open multiple buffers and they all concatenate a=
utomatically, passing from one to another seamlessly as soon as&nbsp;each on=
e empties.&nbsp;&nbsp; In fact, for coherent, continuous, reading or writing=
 of wave data, ping-pong buffers have to be set up, so that one can be proce=
ssed while the other is read from or written to, &nbsp;to avoid missing samp=
les.&nbsp;&nbsp; Many software writers open multiple buffers within a progra=
mme so as to&nbsp;allow seamless interupt processing and allow user I/O. </d=
iv>

<div>Its not connected to the problem in hand.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com/"=
 target=3D"_blank">www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/1/29 James Moritz <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:james.moritz@btopenworld.com" target=3D"_blank">james.moritz@b=
topenworld.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Dear Lee, Graham, LF Group,<br><br=
>I did some experiments at M0LMH&#39;s suggestion (see below)... I think thi=
s is what he meant. Perhaps the results are also of interest to &nbsp;people=
 in the Group who have experience of writing DSP software for the PC.<br>
<br>The top trace in the attachment has the same WSPR beacon message as last=
 night with normal windows clock settings.<br><br>The middle trace shows the=
 effect of retarding the windows clock by roughly one minute, while transmit=
ting. The current sequence continues until its normal ending, but when the e=
ven minute occurs on the re-set clock, a new sequence begins as well, so for=
 a while there are two overlapping frames. After that, frames are generated=20=
normally, according to the RTC timing. At the moment you make the clock adju=
stment, the time display in WSPR stops incrementing until the windows clock=20=
has &quot;caught up&quot;, when it starts incrementing again normally.<br>
<br>When the clock is advanced by one minute roughly (lower trace), the curr=
ent frame continues and terminates normally. There is then a gap until the n=
ext even minute of about 1 minute, when the next frame is generated accordin=
g to the RTC time setting.<br>
<br>I suppose this shows that transmission of a frame is initiated by the re=
al time clock reaching an even minute, but once started, the generation and=20=
timing of the bits in the frame is independent of the RTC, although it does=20=
not tell us how that timing is achieved. Also, the fact that the time displa=
y in WSPR stops when you retard the clock, and that a new frame can be start=
ed in the middle of an existing frame, would seem to show WSPR is continuous=
ly looking at the RTC data.<br>
<br>The really funny thing is that two frames can be occuring at the same ti=
me. That would seem to suggest that more than one instance of the tone gener=
ation algorithm is in existence at once! Curious, but perhaps not connected=20=
to the problem in hand...<br>
<br>Cheers, Jim Moritz<br>73 de M0BMU<br><br>----- Original Message ----- Fr=
om: &quot;Lee Hudson&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hudsonville@btinternet.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">hudsonville@btinternet.com</a>&gt;<br>To: &quot;&#39;Jame=
s Moritz&#39;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:james.moritz@btopenworld.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">james.moritz@btopenworld.com</a>&gt;; &quot;&#39;Graham&#39;&q=
uot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">g8fzk@=
g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:18 PM<br>Subject: WSPR Timing issue<br><b=
r><br>Hi Jim, Graham,<br><br>I&#39;ve been having more thoughts on Grahams t=
iming issue, and there are a few<br>possibilities.<br><br>Firstly assuming G=
raham has been receiving reports that he is on his<br>
frequency from trusted sources then we can rule out sample rate error.<br>Th=
e crystal on the sound card would have to be a long way out to cause such<br=
>a problem.<br>I believe Graham tried two different sound cards with no chan=
ge.<br>
<br>The second possibility is the the RTC on his PC is fast, again looking a=
t<br>the reports from last night there does seem to be some drift but defina=
tely<br>not enough do be worried over.<br>And also I&#39;m sure the time of=20=
transmission start was the same from the even<br>
minute epoch.<br><br>This leaves a third posibility I think from recalling P=
C architecture and<br>that there is a Timer chip, this from memory is clocke=
d from a separate<br>crystal to the RTC and certainly remote from the sound=20=
card. Some PCs use<br>
this crystal also for producing the multiplied up CPU clocks etc.<br><br>Poi=
nt being here is that the Timer is what dictates any functions requiring<br>=
sub second interval timing, and is used by windows for task switching etc.<b=
r>
<br>It all boils down to how the WSPR software derrives its timing to decide=
<br>when the transition of a bit occurs.<br>I looked carefully at Jim compar=
ision image, to first check if a bit had<br>actually been dropped somewhere,=
 and I can&#39;t see one.<br>
<br>If I had written the software I would have used the RTC time to decide w=
hen<br>to start the transmission.<br>Then I would have used the sample rate=20=
as the main source of timing from<br>that point on until the end, even if co=
mpensating for a sample rate error.<br>
<br>In my opinion I think the RTC is used to start the transmission, and no=20=
real<br>error here.<br>The frequency of transmission I&#39;m assuming is als=
o correct, and no real<br>error from the sound card side.<br><br>However if=20=
the timing mechanism used to decide when a bit is over and shift<br>
frequency is related to the Timer, this is where the issue may really lie.<b=
r>Especially if this is how the software is written.<br>Using Windows Timers=
 can yeild incremental timing issues too, and this may<br>be a manifestation=
 also.<br>
<br>One final thought that crossed my mind, is that Graham my be using a GPS=
<br>signal to keep his PC RTC updated or possibly an NTP server.<br>From rea=
ding deep and dark Microsoft helpfiles this does also affect how<br>windows=20=
maintains it&#39;s internal time derived from the Timer, this it keeps<br>
separate from the RTC, but occasionally makes an alignment change.<br><br>If=
 this is the case and Graham is updating his Clock say every second from a<b=
r>GPS, then this could be enough to cause the incremental error.<br>Simple t=
est here would be to disconnect any external time influence and see<br>
if things improove.<br><br>My gut feeling here is that it is really a softwa=
re issue, and not related<br>to the hardware as such.<br>Some may be caused=20=
by Windows itself not being overly well designed for<br>timing purposes.<br>
Second the WSPR software not using the most reliable method for timing<br>th=
ings.<br><br>It could be worth another test for Jim to see what happens when=
 you locally<br>generate a signal and then wind the clock forward say 1 minu=
te.<br>
Record one test normally, then anothor test with the time step introduced.<b=
r>Does the data output as before and complete a full 2 minute cycle<br>Or do=
es it truncate the data period skipped and finish on scheduled time<br>
according to the clock.<br>Or does it truncate the data at the end.<br>This=20=
will give some clue as to how the data bits themselves are timed.<br>Be intr=
esting also to time step backwards too!!<br><br>Cheers,<br>Lee.<br><br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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Should have read :-

 

It would be much nicer to advise & help others, don't you think?

 

Gary.

 

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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 03 January 2009 21:04
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240

 

Mal,

 

I admit, not nearly as many as you.

 

But why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don't do it
your way it isn't correct.

 

I would be much nicer to advise & help others, don't you think?

 

I remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me & it was good advice,
I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

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Sent: 03 January 2009 20:48
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: QRS 240

 

29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your score.

g3kev

 

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From: Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>  

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 

Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM

Subject: LF: RE: QRS 240

 

LF,

 

Oh my god, he's doing it on 136KHz now !!!

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 


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Subject: LF: QRS 240

 

Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot
!!!.Think how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB
on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1

g3kev

 


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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>It would
be much nicer to advise &amp; help others, don&#8217;t you think?<o:p></o:p>=
</span></font></b></p>

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gary - G4WGT<br>
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sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I admit,
not nearly as many as you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>But why
do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don&#8217;t do it y=
our
way it isn&#8217;t correct.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I would
be much nicer to advise &amp; help others, don&#8217;t you think?<o:p></o:p>=
</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I
remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me &amp; it was good advic=
e,
I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?<o:p></o:p></=
span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Gary
&#8211; G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<div>

<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font size=
=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

<hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1>

</span></font></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
t></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
me>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>mal <st1:place w=
:st=3D"on"><st1:City  w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:City></st1:place><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 03 January 2009 20:48<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"o=
n">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: Re: RE: QRS 240<=
/span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your=20=
score.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>g3kev</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0=
cm 0cm 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bo=
ttom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>

</div>

<div style=3D'font-color:black'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=3D2 face=3DA=
rial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Fro=
m:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk" title=3D"g4wg=
t@tiscali.co.uk">Gary - G4WGT</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=
=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font si=
ze=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Satu=
rday, January
03, 2009 8:28 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font=
 size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> L=
F: RE: QRS 240<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>LF,<o:p>=
</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Oh my
god, he&#8217;s doing it on 136KHz now !!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Gary -
G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<div>

<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font size=
=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

<hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabIndex=3D-1>

</span></font></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
t></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
<a href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl=
acksheep.org</a>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>mal <st1:place w=
:st=3D"on"><st1:City  w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:City></st1:place><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 03 January 2009 20:22<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: QRS 240</span></=
font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending=20=
at qrs240
sec dot !!!.Think how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is=20=
no
QSB on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1</span>=
</font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>g3kev</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font size=
=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

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Dear LF Group,

I plan to operate the WSPR beacon again on 503.51kHz +/- RF (0.502MHz "dial 
frequency") from around 2200utc. Any reports would be very welcome.  The TX 
will be on 33% duty cycle, so if anyone else wants to join in, I should be 
able to give reports too.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you 
cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - 
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


>A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>
> OLIVIA :
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> gnbd
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>
> MFSK8
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> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
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> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
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> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=tedzqhdfdelie nU
>
>
>
> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>
> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>


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--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com> wrote:

> The straightforward way toapply this to WSPR would be to
> have one PC running SpecLab, and use an oldfashioned audio
> cable to feed the DAC audio output to a second PC running
> the WSPR decoder.
> 
> Best wishes
> Markus, DF6NM
> 


If your computer is fast enough, you can do this with a single
computer and 2 soundcards of different manufacture. This is what
I do. I run Win98SE with a Soundblaster, and a Realtek card. I 
had to disable the on board sound in the BIOS before this approach
would work properly. It always tried to default to the onboard
sound and would not recognize the other soundcards. Now, I can
run a DSP filter, or SpecLab from one card as input, feed the output
as WAVE to the other card, use it to feed Spectran, WOLF, WSPR, etc.
I have not been able to get this approach to work with ARGO because 
it always defaults to the input card.

73::


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN.
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Hi Andrey,

this has been mentioned before - have you checked your ADC samplerate? See http://www.wsprnet.org/drupal/node/339. If tx and rx 
samplerate deviated by say only 0.3% (ie. 36 Hz from 12 kHz), the bit timing would have shifted by half a symbol duration at the end 
of the 162 bit message. I started having doubts about my own DAC rate when Graham reported negative decoding, but the TX audio 
frequency seems to be correct to within a fraction of a Hz. You could roughly check the rx samplerate by injecting a known 1.5 kHz 
tone and use WSPR spectrogram which resolves ~ 0.1%. Regarding other digital modes, I recall that samplerate was very critical for 
WOLF which relies on a coherent bit frame over a long integration period. On the other hand, it's not much of an issue for PSK31 
which is "freerunning" only for a few symbols.

The maximum tolerable PC clock error between tx and rx seems to be 2.2 seconds. This was the last displayed dt offset before I lost 
track of Jim's consistent signal the other morning. My PC clock is slightly slow and would need resetting more often. But you 
mentioned you have that under tight control.

The WSPR program does not seem to be disturbed or overloaded by strong out-of band signals. Inserting a 200 Hz filter before the 
decoder made no difference at all, even though the total audio power was reduced by 20 or 30 dB. I also did not see any degradation 
when I used very low audio levels. The WSPR spectrogram seems to have a display leveling similar to the Argo AGC option, as the 
colours do not change when the audio gain is varied.

Best wishes
Markus, DF6NM

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Hello Johan, James, LF,
Many thanks for the help! Yesterday WSPR-signal DF6NM
passed here from time to time much more strongly, than the day
before yesterday. But decoding still was not. I have installed WSJT7.
If again the result is negative, the problem most likely in a sound card
means. Though to this case without problems decoded any amateur
digital protocols.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV




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Roger on the Sparks Quiz, Mal...

But look @ the free time we have to wander the glorius works of creation, wh=
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QDM IMI ZUGHOR OMIK K

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this should be 136.5kHz of course...<br>
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Only seeing Jim at the moment. No sign of G4JNT

73s Dave G3WCB IO91RM

192159   6 -14  1.9    -9  0  M0BMU IO91 30         
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193159   7  -5  1.8    -9  0  M0BMU IO91 30    
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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 502.400 Dial frequency ?


Jim's just moved up.

Gay - G4WGT.

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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:59:30 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Andy, LF,
> 
> Just got a decode on new frequency but had not changed WSPR settings
> so it will report incorrect for 1st decode.
> 
> Gary - G4WGT.
> 
>

And it looks like Jim's stayed down on 502 - being reported by Mark and
OH8HTG.

That'll please the nay-sayers - WSPR spreading all over the band!

Off out for a few hours, will leave RX running on 502.400

Cheers,

John




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Dear LF Group,

Thanks for the reports on the WSPR beacon signals overnight. There was a 
power cut here starting at about 0040utc, and the beacon was QRT until 0336. 
It was then transmitting again until closing down about 0800utc this 
morning.

I will try operating split frequency again on 502.4kHz "dial frequency", 
503.9kHz RF TX, and receiving on 507kHz "dial frequency" to try to copy 
WE2XGR/2. Any reports would be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Hi Jim
You are doing well on 137 khz. There appears to be more acty and reporting 
than on 500 khz.
We all used to do well on 137 across to the USA. There could be a revival on 
this band, maybe I should fire the TX up and see what is going on.
73 gl de mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Re: LF: WSPR beacon on 136kHz


> Dear LF Group,
>
> Thanks for all the reports - The M0BMU WSPR beacon is still running, and
> will probably QRT at around 0100utc.
>
> So far the reports this evening have been from (in no particular order)
> F1AFJ, GM4SLV, DF6NM, DL4YHF, F5WK, LA9BEA, F4DTL, DK6NI, G4FDD, F4EMV,
> I2PHD, G3WCB and IK1ODO. Many thanks to all - It is good to see some calls
> who are not previously "known" on LF.
>
> I would be interested to try another 136k WSPR session during daylight -
> bearing in mind the long ground wave range on 136k, and the relatively low
> QRN during the day, I think results could be good. Perhaps this weekend.
>
> John - your lack of trees is not such a bad thing on 136k, where they soak
> up a lot of your TX power. In the experiments I did about a year ago, I
> found that an inv L antenna that was nearly identical to the antenna I am
> using now except that it was in the middle of a field, was 24 times as
> efficient as my home antenna, which is surrounded by assorted trees and
> buildings ( it was 6 times more efficient on  500k). So you might not need 
> a
> tall antenna to get a reasonable signal in your treeless landscape. True, 
> I
> am also using quite high power, but then looking at the SNR figures on 
> your
> spots, there is about 10 - 20dB margin over the minimum possible SNR for
> decoding. so you could probably get away with less power too.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>


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Hi All.
capture DTL 137KHZ
Henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
DTL 25-01.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi All.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture DTL 137KHZ</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henny pa3cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende 
bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:<BR>DTL 25-01.jpg<BR><BR>Opmerking: 
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Dear LF Group,

I will be running the WSPR beacon again tonight on the same settings as 
before; 502kHz "dial frequency", RF out on 503.51kHz +/-, 1W ERP, 33% 
transmit. It will be QRV from around 2200utc and hopefully run overnight. As 
always, any reports would be very welcome.

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Hi Laurence!

Now: RA3YO & UA4WPF dfcw240

Dmitry

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QSW for DF6NM DFCW on 136.309kHz  w/capture on for the evening...


TNX de Dave @ WD2XSH/17




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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Subject: LF: Re: 138.830


> Dear Dave, LF Group
>
> That is DCF39, a utility in DL, with around 40kW ERP. It is quite a good 
> indicator for trans-atlantic propagation. The breaks are short bursts of 
> FSK data.
>
> The best QRG depends on what you want to collect. DF6NM is operating DFCW 
> on about 136.309kHz at the moment. I will probably be running the WSPR 
> beacon again in a few minutes on 137.5kHz. Other frequencies/modes can be 
> arranged...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
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> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:19 PM
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>
>
> I have a sig ( carrier with quick break ) on 138.830 ( dcf39??) that is 
> 30db above my noise and it keys a carrier with a break about every 10 
> seconds with occasional short breaks, something like NIST on 60kc. but 
> slower...
>
> What do I have??
>
> Where is best QRG for collecting EU ham sigs??
>
>
>
> TNX
>
> Dave - WD2XSH/17
>
>
> 



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ref: www.radiocom.net/600M/LOOP109.jpg

Hi Dave, Lowfers,

If you wouldn't mind, can you give us a more detailed pix
and/or description of the coupling.  It looks like you've
got a series tuned circuit at the end of the feeders?
How is it coupled to the rig?  Thanks in advance.

73, J.B., VE3EAR

=

Howdy, JB

I hope to have spelled it out better with this version. It is as simple as I 
can undertand and works DX.
Between it and the SDR-IQ RX could copy QRG of the SAQ Alternator revs.
Yes, that in fig. 1A is a series tuned circuit which includes the 'Pennant' 
LOOP and all of it is a part of the RFPA tank.
The 6 turns are about optimal for TX coupling @ 600M so I just tune out the 
X component with the vacuum cap. to zero...
Happy TX, no red plates on high power... But don't forget the OB2 regulator 
across the 10' RX loop twin lead as first stage protection or else no more 
J310s as they go POOF...
See also other forms of feed that me think and Bill Ashloop, WE2XGR/4 said 
to try.
In RX it acts as a transformer primary which can be tuned from 10kc, 24kc., 
60kc, 137kc., 185kc., NDBs, 600M etc. with the help of the 4 total parallel 
decade cap boxes which give 0-1.111 mfd of cap in 100 pf bytes...
I always wanted a 0-1mfd variable, affordable, but don't do too much TX with 
it or you'll be back on e-bay for a replacement...

=

Dave
Although the smaller antennas work I have found the signals are well down
compared  to the larger wire antennas.
My 40 metre resonated loop on 500 Kcs   is not as good as the 1/4 wave inv
L, also I have noticed small loops in the target direction are well down on
the bigger wire antennas. I am talking about weak signal detection.
de mal/g3kev

=

I agree, Mal, and that is why I had to do something about the 10' loop being 
kinda deaf but at least it got rid of some noise...
So I added the parasitic loop around it ( and it then doubled as good TX 
antenna as well ) and the RX now needs more local noise abatement than more 
gain. This is the best I have tried to date, now for a phased e-probe way 
out in the woods... Hopefully by this season end...
I guess you could call this a large wire loop ( 430' around )... I can see 
where the 65' vertical section is the only real useful part...
At least 3db isn't going in to the soil or for making plasma on the high far 
end...

=

Hi Dave, thanks for the post.  Nothing like a discussion about simple
antennas which work magically :-)
Your sketch shows a short at the point where the 1' wide feedline
connects to the loop (if I interpret it correctly).  May I safely
assume that's an oversight and not some fancy hairpin matching device?

=

Yes, simple or I don't get the hang of em...  Magic? Seems more like FM...
Yes, the 'tune' modulation goes from 10kc to HF, even 6M. Above 6M is where 
that shunt 'L' is used...
You had me worried about that short so I measured the .jpg and it was over 
10megohms, guess I got lucky this time, but have since replaced it with an 
air insulator..
No wonder they couldn't copy me up in VE2/3 land...  Or cuz that is 
broadside??
Sure wish I knew how to tangle with EL-NEC... I see a weak doughnut coming 
out of the 65' vertical and the other two wires wasting power straight up 
and down but necessary for the 'end feed'...
Tell you what I'll do...  Come the proper Lunar SHA and DEC I will power up 
with 1296 blunderbus when the moon is target for that VEE on the right hand 
side....  Will it echo??

10kc. to 1296 mhz. and reaching...

Next stop, ANOTHER parallel loop made of 500' of Andrew 400 heliax, new from 
local dump... Parallel loops lower R, yes??
3 element loop??  What would I ever do without a good 60 pounder compound 
bow ...
How about a triplexed 137-185-505 TX loop... Look @ the wire you'd save...

GI4DPE, M0BMU, G3KEV, SK6RUD, SM6BHZ, DI2AM seem to come thru good any night 
that they are on...
Sometimes noise + 2db and sometimes WAY up out of the noise in 20s-30s 
DBs...

Best regards and straight ARGO lines to ALL,

Dave ( in the Colonies ) WD2XSH/17

* All with proper TNX to Reggie@BO, Bill Ashloop and Bill DeCarle without 
whose mind prodding I might still be on 80M 2IQ BPSK...

CQ EU  ( RX only, mind you ) I don't wish to be sent to Coventry...



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Marcus

Condx hung in there for another two hours after that capture...then went downhill. 

Jay


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> Marcus
> 
> Looking good so far. Will see how the signal looks overnight.
> 
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


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WE2XGR/6 was peaking S6/7 last night (579) at 0042 utc/15/01/09. 507 khz.wit=
h QSB.
Good signal for CW qso.
No other T/atlantic sigs hrd.=20
Antenna 1/4 wave inv L=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WE2XGR/6 was peaking S6/7 last night (579)=20=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good signal for CW qso.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No other T/atlantic sigs hrd. </FONT></DIV>
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Now g4wgt has appeared
204600 8 -12 -0.1-47 0 g4wgt io83 3

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Getting a wspr decode
  203200 4 0 -0.7 4 0=20
  but no callsign or locator
  g3kev



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And a good part of our solar system would be in the near field.
Mal would have to contact Pluto before he could claim a DX ;-)

73, Rik  ON7YD


>> John wrote:
>>>
>>> 1.9mhz - now what sort of signalling rate can you get on 160Gm?
>>>
>>> John F5VLF
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ;o)
>> Need a pretty decent antenna length for that, right ?
>> And just consider the 1/f noise in the milliHertz receiver - use liquid
>> helium cooling for the frontend ;-)
>>
>>
>>
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Dear John, LF Group,

Most of these "EMC" cores are made of something similar to Fair-Rite #43 
material, with mu of around 850. They will work quite well at LF and MF, 
although a given size of core will require about 1.5 times as many turns as 
the "traditional" 3C85/90/95 etc materials to get the same inductance. 
Unfortunately, the distributors have only heard of ferrite cores being used 
to put on cables to supress noise, so they don't know much about materials, 
and usually classify according to size, and, if you are lucky, impedance in 
the HF/VHF range, which is not very relevant to LF.

You can make a reasonably accurate determination of the permeability by 
measuring the inductance of a core wound with several turns to get AL = L / 
n^2, The formula relating AL, mu, cross-sectional area, and magnetic path 
length is

AL = 4pi * 100 * mu *A/l

with cross sectional area of the magnetic path A in square metres, and 
magnetic path length l in metres  (in the case of toroidal shapes, this is 
roughly the average of the inner and outer circumferences of the core), and 
mu is the relative permeability.

Once you know what permeability you have, you can be fairly sure behaviour 
will be near to that of a material with similar mu in one of the 
manufacturer's catalogues, e.g. Ferroxcube or Fair-Rite

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Hi Warren,
nice capture xgj
henny cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 31-01.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Warren,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>nice capture xgj</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende 
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hi all,
capture xgj
henny
cpm
73s
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture xgj</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende 
bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:<BR>xgj 10-01.jpg<BR><BR>Opmerking: 
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With this talk of grabbers, I'm surprised no one saw my experimental
SMT Hell Tx earlier this evening (around 1830 - 2000) on G3YXM's
grabber.
Having resurrected the code for a direct DDS driver that had been used
quite a lot on 73kHz a decade ago, I was experimenting with
bandwidths, pixel durations and fonts that would print well on that
grabber.

The best combination seemed to be 400 - 800Hz total frequency width,
with a horizontal pixel spacing of 0.1 to 0.3s and a thin (raster
type) font.  I'll probably be on again tomorrow, unless there's so
much activity this wide signal would cause QRM.

Not sure its a particularly good mode for weak signals though.  On
73kHz I was using very narrow shifts (5 - 20Hz wide) and testing it
against SlowCW modes. Seem to recall the consensus was divided on
which was more useful.  Could go narrower, but the grabber couldn't be
used to resolve it.

It was interesting, though, that for all that time the two Eu beacons
around 505kHz showed stronger on that grabber than I did.  Possibly
just an illusion as my signal was spead out and the beacons were
concentrated on a single pixel.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


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LF, transmitting now. CW on 136.40kHz.

Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> LF, Hello all!
>
> I plan to run a test transmission on 136kHz during Friday, Saturday and
> Sunday
> night. The setup is very preliminary/temporary and can not be left unatten=
ded
> for longer periods. The unprotected ATU has to be brought indoors when not=
 in
> use. We expect cold dry weather for the weekend so it should survive while=
 in
> use. The estimated ERP based on tests made yesterday is only 20mW. This
> figure
> does not include absorption in nearby objects.
>
> Initially the transmission will be CW only but QRSS3 with CW ID will follo=
w
> as
> soon as I have the ON7YD keyer software and interface set up.
>
> Antenna: Inverted-L 15m high with 35m horizontal wire. 20 radials 5-25m lo=
ng,
> half of them terminated in 0.5m deep earth rods. Rtot estimated to roughly
> 100ohms.
> ATU: Variometer + large loading coil
> TX: Keyed 1W 50ohm DDS signal generator feeding a pair of parallell 807's=20=
in
> class AB1 trough a wideband 1:5 voltage stepup transformer providing 80Vp-=
p
> for
> the control grids. Classic parallel tuned tank with adjustable coupling co=
il.
> Power output is measured to 65W at 810V/150mA on the plates.
>
> Unless I receive other suggestions for the QRG that will enable QRM-free Q=
RSS
> reception for interested stations the frequency will be 136.40kHz.
>
> I can not receive on 136kHz during this test. I will inform when QRV/QRT.
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
>
>
>
>
>
>




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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:00:32 +0100
"Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com> wrote:

> Good evening Alberto,
> 
> great, someone's out there watching! A good reason to switch it back
> on for another hour or so.
> 

Hello Markus, LF,

Yes, please switch on again, I'll watch now, from Shetland,

73

John GM4SLV


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Provided the software uses 'proper' windows calls to the RS232 port
and doesn't try to do anyhing clever (or ancient) it shoud work fine.

Make sure your USB serial interface is a full external COM port and
provides the correct polarity output,  not a 5V logic level version.
Someof those supplied by FTDIchip are the latter.

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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
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> Will a USB to RS232 adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware
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Hi!

Really nice radio reception of Hellissandur 189kHz AM now in Berlin! 
distance is 2505km
Power 300kW
RX: TRF with MK484-IC,
selection: one bandfilter and tuned antenna = 3 tuned cicuits

I admit that I was out on the balcony after local midnight last night.
Using a ladder and a looong fishing rod I managed to set up a wire loop 
from the balcony into the nearby tree with an estimated area 
of 30sqm (irregular shape), pointing Iceland.

Good night!
Dennis


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On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:14:03 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
> 
> Am now running the WSPR beacon again on 136.0kHz "dial frequency",

Jim, LF,

I'll stop the Spec Lab capture looking for OH1LSQ and have a look for
your WSPR, to compare to the last 2 night's results.

Cheers,

John
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Gary,

I would think that in the original concept of the software,  600 and 1200 
mtrs may not of figured too highly, if  a tall ?
as such most  Hf stations will have arrays with similar conversion 
efficiency's , dipole at 2.3 db 1/4 1.~  db  beam with 3 to 5 dbi , only a 
few db's spread and  nothing like the negative gain of  vlf arrays , my 35 
ft lop load  is like using a 18 inch vertical on 7 mhz ? (must try that one 
day)

So declaring the feed power on hf is  reasonable with only say 6 db of error 
?

G ..

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Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5

>
> Graham, LF,
>
> I do agree that ERP is more meaningful & as Mal & Andy stated it is the
> criteria with which the licence is approved.
>
> My comment was to follow the WSPR recommended method as adopting ERP would
> mean there are two "standards".
>
> I ERP is adopted for LF then it should be international & not just UK, so 
> an
> official announcement by the main WSPR group would be required.
> Comments please.
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 25 January 2009 20:29
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
> Gary,
>
> I don't think a guard band is really needed as if you set the centre 
> carrier
>
> frequency to  503.9 , then operating at the extreme edges is not really
> possible, you're  right on the edge of the waterfall. the deviation is 
> only
> round  6 hz
>
> Re power .. I would say, the erp  is the most meaningful,  actual  power
> supplied to the antenna without the performance data of the array doesn't
> really mean too much ?
>
> G ..
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:11 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: RE: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> In agreement with John & Graham, I believe that makes sense. The top part
>> of
>> the band is probably the least used area so we just need to agree on a
>> 200Hz
>> slot of either 503.800 to 504.000KHz with no guard band or 503.700 to
>> 503.900KHz with a 100Hz guard band.
>>
>> My WSPR beacon is now active using dial frequency 502.000KHz & 503.550KHz
>> data.
>>
>> Looks like Andy just beat me to the announcement.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Gary - G4WGT
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
>> Sent: 25 January 2009 18:32
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Looks close to  my post , just, as wspr is such a narrow mode, could move
>> to
>>
>> the band edge without problems
>> clear of the occasional  qrss slightly lower down
>>
>> With a move to vfo/exciter control,  defining the wspr slot is a
>> reasonable
>> concept as it will allow other 'casual'
>> monitor stations to  be established .. and negate the number of post
>> needed
>> to  announce a test !
>>
>> What of the beacons that used this area of the band , are they qrt or 
>> just
>> sleeping ?
>>
>> G ..
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:04 PM
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 503.5
>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:40:27 +0000
>>> Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there some sort of unofficial bandplan on this band?
>>>
>>> Oh no!
>>>
>>> Please let's not get into this again....
>>>
>>> At the moment there is no bandplan, but general concensus would
>>> indicate "beacons at the band edges - real QSOs in the middle".
>>>
>>> The current WSPR activity around 503.5 (502.0 dial) seems reasonable,
>>> although moving up a few hundred Hz wouldn't hurt, say to 502.3 dial
>>> which gives a 200Hz window at 503.7 - 503.9
>>>
>>> There are often CW mode beacons near the bottom of the band - GI4DPE,
>>> GW3UEP and others, and it's convenient to have them there - it allows
>>> monitoring them and SK6RUD concurrently.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's just my view on how things have evolved.
>>>
>>> "Real Man's CW" seems to live around 502.63
>>>
>>> John
>>> GM4SLV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>
>



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Hello Wolf ,

Wolfgang B=FCscher a =E9crit :
> Phew, what a beautiful clean "Loran curtain" ;-)
> Wish I had such a QRM-free place for reception somewhere around here !
>
> 73,
> Wolf
> (still battling the local QRM. But the only chance seems to be=20
> flipping the ground fault circuit interrupters in the neighbouring=20
> houses... harr harr )
If I understand well , I am very favoured not to have a more local QRN !=20
for 9 months I systematically put at fault the jammer by making a =93tune=
=94=20
on 7 MHz before bringing the grabber into service each evening ! The=20
jammer was replaced and I am quiet ! But how long will that last ? Now I=20
manage to see the lines of the loran of Lessay (350km) in qrss3 and they=20
is super !!!!!


73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj


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Hello LF

Will continue the transmission on 136.80kHz over the evening and night.


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD


Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> Hello LF!
>
> Transmitting CW ID + QRSS3 ID on 136.80kHz.
>
>
> Again, thanks for all reports on last night's activity.
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
>
>




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Thanks John,

looks like that signal would print rtty !

wspr looks to  be ok at the moment .. only +1 hz

soundcard  sample was rate slightly out ..

pity wspr doesn't have a cal facility ??

G ..

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>
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:48:55 +0000
> John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> If anyone has a desire for remote grabber then let me know and I'll
>> set it up for the period of your tests.
>
>
> Since it's possible to run WSPR and Spec Lab concurrently I'm running a
> grabber on 500kHz too
>
> Spectrum range shown will be 503 - 505.300 (to include the various
> beacons)
>
> upload at 5 minute intervals to
>
> http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_500.jpg
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>



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Dear LF Group,

The attached bit of spectrogram was set up for QRSS3 reception and shows 2 
succesfully decoded WSPR transmissions from G4WGT at -30 and -27dB SNR 
respectively. I think this shows that this mode should compete well with 
QRSS3 for readibility.

So far, I have:

1654   1  0.6   0.503500  0 G4JNT IO90 30
1752 -28  1.0   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
1758 -30  1.0   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
1810 -30  1.1   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37
1814 -27  0.9   0.503599  0 G4WGT IO83 37

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 

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Mal,

 

You had me worried there! I thought my grabbers were not operating but I
just checked & yes they are running OK at :-

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber1.html

 

and

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html

 

Cheers,

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 24 January 2009 17:50
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: LOW ACTY LF/MF

 

Acty vy low at present on LF/MF considering we are in the middle of Winter
and the DX season.

Even the GRABBERS have gone QRT !!!!

de mal/g3kev

 


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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>You had
me worried there! I thought my grabbers were not operating but I just checke=
d
&amp; yes they are running OK at :-<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>mal <st1:City w:=
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 24 January 2009 17:50<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: LOW ACTY LF/MF</=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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Paul
Your freq is too low because of the qrm around 136 khz. A better freq would 
be 136.5 or higher.
mal/g3kev

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From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
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Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ


Thanks for the report Mal!

Happy to send some lower frequency signals back in return for all those 
received
on 600 metres. Looks like the OH-G path is still in the same good shape it 
used
to be when Reino was still active on the band.

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Paul
> Good copy ere now OOO at 2048 utc have good photo
> mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:17 PM
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>
> Thanks for the screenshot Jim!
>
> Amazing, I thought it would take more to make it down there. It is good to
> be
> back on 136 after a 12 year break. My best DX back then was the Karlsborg
> expedition in Sweden (7S6SAJ)
>
> 73's
>
> Paul-Henrik
>
> Quoting James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
>
> > Dear Paul-Henrik,
> >
> > Now copying your QRSS3 - see attachment. Signal is recovering from QSB.
> >
> > Cheers, Jim Moritz
> > 73 de M0BMU
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capture XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
73s
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I deduce that my (fairly) frequent transmissions on MF may be causing
some annoyance and inconvenience to local stations.

Consequently I shall be QRT on 500 kHz for the remainder of this month.
This will give local stations an opportunity to use=C2=A0a quiet band withou=
t
G3XIZ QRM.

I must report that sadly Adrian G4GDR has dismantled his MF equipment
and=C2=A0returned his N.O.V.=C2=A0to OfCom.
He was an active and keen MF operator and constructor but has lost interest=20=
due
to lack of activity.
I for one will miss him.

73 Chris G3XIZ


=C2=A0



________________________________
From: Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 5 January, 2009 22:22:55
Subject: RE: LF: Re: Silent majority

=EF=BB=BF=20
Dear LF,=20
=C2=A0
Geri DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 137 kHz=
 a few years back.=20
=C2=A0
Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler too=C2=A0;-)
=C2=A0
Follow the link below:-=20
=C2=A0
http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html
=C2=A0
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
=C2=A0
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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org]On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 05 January 2009 02:37
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Silent majority


Hi LF=20
Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experimentation=20=
of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off the Int=
ernet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a 1000 w=
ords. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the world=
 by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.=C2=A0 The result may be a bit more i=
nteresting than the shopping lists of stations worked, equipment lists and r=
ig specifications that get churned out ad nauseamover the weekends.=20
I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op friends wo=
uld feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.=20
No, the above suggestion is ridiculous. It does however, Einstein, Planck et=
 al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum bandwidth for=
 the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band? =C2=A0I will s=
tart the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed with=20=
less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then hand=20=
shaking could be introduced to ensure error free data transfer a bit like X2=
5 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max. =C2=
=A0We need to think outside the box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable mode=
s onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co with all due respect to Alber=
to (who I admire immensely for his great innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT proc=
essing software) I think, =C2=A0is over the top. Nobody is into book burning=
 and denial of spectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play wi=
th here in the UK. =C2=A0I consider myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operato=
r not a
 highflying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D radio spectrum quantum mechanic, but=20=
I would hope we are trying to do more with less and I don=E2=80=99t think Ol=
ivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I would expec=
t one of the cardinal points in their specification, along with very narrow=20=
BW, to be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the effect on adjace=
nt stations not running that particular mode.=20
In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming there a=
re any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narrow ban=
d data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.=20
Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground.=20
Vy 73 petefmt=20

--- On Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:

From: Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
Subject: LF: Re: Silent majority
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM


Steve McDonald wrote:
>> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
>> taken place on MF.
>=20
> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
> Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
> wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
> What an amazing gift.
>=20
> VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD


     =20

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d><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;fo=
nt-size:12pt"><DIV>I deduce that my (fairly) frequent transmissions on MF ma=
y be causing</DIV>
<DIV>some annoyance and inconvenience to local stations.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Consequently I shall be QRT on 500 kHz for the remainder of this month.=
</DIV>
<DIV>This will give local stations an opportunity to use&nbsp;a quiet band w=
ithout</DIV>
<DIV>G3XIZ QRM.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I must report that sadly Adrian G4GDR has dismantled his MF equipment</=
DIV>
<DIV>and&nbsp;returned his N.O.V.&nbsp;to OfCom.</DIV>
<DIV>He was an active and keen MF operator and constructor but has lost inte=
rest due</DIV>
<DIV>to lack of activity.</DIV>
<DIV>I for one will miss him.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 Chris G3XIZ</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times=
, serif"><BR>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times=
, serif"><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>
<HR SIZE=3D1>
<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Dave G3WCB &lt;ganymed=
e444@btopenworld.com&gt;<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN><=
/B> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sen=
t:</SPAN></B> Monday, 5 January, 2009 22:22:55<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEI=
GHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: LF: Re: Silent majority<BR></FONT><BR>=
=EF=BB=BF=20
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Dear LF, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Geri DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 1=
37 kHz a few years back. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler too&nbsp;;-=
)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Follow the link below:-=20
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2><A href=3D"http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnof=
ollow>http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SPAN>=
</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2><A href=3D"http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnof=
ollow></A></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTahoma=
 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-rsgb_lf_group@bla=
cksheep..org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>=
M0FMT<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 January 2009 02:37<BR><B>To:</B> rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep..org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Re: Silent majority<BR><BR></FONT></D=
IV>
<TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 border=3D0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Hi LF</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experiment=
ation of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off t=
he Internet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a=20=
1000 words. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the=
 world by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.<SPAN>&nbsp; </SPAN>The result=20=
may be a bit more interesting than the shopping lists of stations worked, eq=
uipment lists and rig specifications that get churned out </FONT><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',=20=
'sans-serif'">ad nauseam</SPAN><FONT face=3DCalibri size=3D3> over the weeke=
nds.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op frie=
nds would feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3><U>No, the above suggestion is ridiculous.</U> It does however, Einste=
in, Planck et al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum=20=
bandwidth for the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band? <=
SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>I will start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than=20=
50c/s. G3PLX managed with less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN iss=
ue on this band then hand shaking could be introduced to ensure error free d=
ata transfer a bit like X25 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow band=
width say 50c/s max. <SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>We need to think outside the box and=
 not try to shoe horn unsuitable modes onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck=
 and co with all due respect to Alberto (who I admire immensely for his grea=
t innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT processing software) I think, <SPAN>&nbsp;<=
/SPAN>is over the top. Nobody is into book burning and denial of
 spectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play with here in the=
 UK. <SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>I consider myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operator=
 not a highflying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D radio spectrum quantum mechanic=
, but I would hope we are trying to do more with less and I don=E2=80=99t th=
ink Olivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I would=
 expect one of the cardinal points in their specification, along with very n=
arrow BW, to be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the effect on=20=
adjacent stations not running that particular mode.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming t=
here are any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narr=
ow band data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground=
.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Vy 73 petefmt</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <I>&lt;dibene@usa.=
net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: Alberto di Bene &lt;dibene@usa.net&gt;<BR>Subject=
: LF: Re: Silent majority<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Monda=
y, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Steve McDonald wrote:
&gt;&gt; There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
&gt;&gt; taken place on MF.
&gt;=20
&gt; There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now=
 as
&gt; Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
&gt; wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently do=
es.
&gt; What an amazing gift.
&gt;=20
&gt; VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science.... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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MessageGary,

Didn't know you could run usb with dos 6.2 ? ...

I run the ft897-d with a usb to what i assume is a rs232 adaptor , it connec=
ts usb to the rig directly with a min din plug  came from ebay ~ =A310 , onl=
y problem is , it jams 4 mtrs with a carrier on one of the fm channels .. I=20=
think it needed a driver to  be installed , it shows up as a 'com' port , ot=
her than that I have a pci / 2 com port card as well one feeds the pk232 and=
 the other acts as the t/r switch for data modes .. for some reason the moth=
er board com port would not communicate with the pk232=20

G ..=20



From: Lee Hudson=20
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:05 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: LF: RE: RS232 adapter


Hi Gary,

Should work.

My PC has zero RS-232 ports so I have to use them!

73,
Lee M0LMH.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black=
sheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
  Sent: 09 January 2009 21:27
  To: LF -RSGB LF Group
  Subject: LF: RS232 adapter


  Hi All,

  =20

  This may have been asked before.

  =20

  Will a USB to RS232 adapter work OK with a transceiver RS232 hardware inte=
rface. My PC has only 1 RS232 port & no empty PCI slots.

  =20

  73,

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Gary,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Didn't know you could run usb with dos 6.2=20=
?=20
...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I run the ft897-d with a usb to what i assu=
me is a=20
rs232 adaptor , it connects usb to the rig directly with a min din plug=20
&nbsp;came from ebay ~ =A310 , only problem is , it jams 4 mtrs with a carri=
er on=20
one of the fm channels .. I think it needed a driver to&nbsp; be installed ,=
 it=20
shows up as a 'com' port , other than that I have a pci / 2 com port card as=
=20
well one feeds the pk232 and the other acts as the t/r switch for data modes=
 ..=20
for some reason the mother board com port would not communicate with the pk2=
32=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>G .. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma">
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dhudsonville@btinter=
net.com   href=3D"mailto:hudsonville@btinternet.com">Lee Hudson</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 09, 2009 10:05 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org   href=3D"mailto:rsg=
b_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: RS232 adapter</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=
=3DArial>Hi=20
Gary,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2   face=
=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=
=3DArial>Should=20
work.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2   face=
=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=
=3DArial>My PC=20
has zero RS-232 ports so I have to use them!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2   face=
=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2   face=
=3DArial>73,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=
=3DArial>Lee=20
M0LMH.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D108080422-09012009><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2   face=
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Dear Mal,
it seems for me, that Our band 136k is not anymore a challenge for us. I kno=
w that I have no more contacts=20
with DK 7 SU on Sunday morning, but now, as on new qth my station is qrv aga=
in I have tgried it little,=20
as there is nearly no activity in southern Germany. In good times there was=20=
qrss-cw and cw-activity=20
some times a week, and sunday morning too. I wish less beaconing, more exper=
iments and two-way contacts.

55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND
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> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> Gesendet: 12.12.08 19:59:57
> An: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Betreff: LF: 137 khz

I listen on 137 khz at times for CW acty and have not hrd any for a=20
> long time. I do not listen for qrs.
> A few years ago an effort was made to put out a good CW signal and I=20
> have worked 30 countries including Russia for example.Now is seems to=20
> be
>  LAZY MANS CW ONLY. What has gone wrong ?
> G3KEV
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First Linear data qso  G4WGT / G0NBD

=20

Congratulations are in order !=20

=20

Gary has successfully tested his home made HF to 500 Tx converter and 500 to=
 HF Rx converter this evening, utilising a TS440 as the primary driver and t=
he TS440 power amplifier , producing 20 watts on 500 Khz=20

=20

A good steady signal using PSK31 was received by myself  during a short exch=
ange of reports on 503.6 Khz .=20

=20

This now raises the number of station capable of transmitting all modes on 5=
00 to  three, notably each station deploying differing approaches.

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G0NBD           Refurbished Military and Marine=20

M0BMU         His own design Linear  class E system

G4WGT          Classic linear HF/MF  home made transverter



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Dear John,

Have done so - it appears ther is a bit of overlap on the WSPR +/-100Hz 
"window" as displayed on the spectrogram, but it won't actually decode if 
not inside the window.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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>
> Hello LF,
>
> I'm also seeing what I believe to be M0BMU, but right at the bottom of
> the "window" and not decoding, despite a very strong trace.
>
> Jim. can you move up 50Hz or so? Say 503.550?
>
> 



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> Hi Laurence!
>
> Good signals from UA4WPF! 137777.2 dfcw120


and my traces!

> I'm beaconing 137778.25 dfcw120
>
> Dmitry
> RA3YO
>
> Laurence BY3A-KL1X China Ð¿Ð¸ÑˆÐµÑ‚:
>
>>
>> Ill have the China Grabber running my night time in the area of 
>> 137.777 dot 60 slow in about an hours time -
>>
>> My darkness period is now at 0847Z, till 2325Z. Though with this smog 
>> it might have set hours ago...
>>
>> http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg
>>
>> Laurence BY3A-KL1X OM89UA Tanggu NE China
>>
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LF, Hello!

Thanks for reporting me too Mal!

The new message includes full callsign in QRSS3 to enable ID reception for t=
hose
seeing my dashes. Will run like this if the PSU doesn't overheat.

I did not expect results like this with such a low ERP, hence the step-by-st=
ep
perfection of the system. Thanks to all that have picked up the challenge!



73's

Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD

Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> LF, Hello!
>
> Many thanks to all that have reported and suggested so far. I will reply t=
o
> you
> later. I'm busy setting up and perfecting things at the moment :)
>
> New QRG as suggested by Jim: 136.35kHz
> New MSG to aid FFT reception: Id "VVV DE OH1LSQ OH1LSQ" in 12WPM + 2 9s
> dashes
> (TT in QRSS3). Cycle runs once a minute.
>
> When I'm confident the PSU makes it like this I can raise the odds by send=
ing
> full callsign in QRSS3.
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
>
>
> Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:
>
> > LF, transmitting now. CW on 136.40kHz.
> >
> > Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:
> >
> > > LF, Hello all!
> > >
> > > I plan to run a test transmission on 136kHz during Friday, Saturday an=
d
> > > Sunday
> > > night. The setup is very preliminary/temporary and can not be left
> > unattended
> > > for longer periods. The unprotected ATU has to be brought indoors when
> not
> > in
> > > use. We expect cold dry weather for the weekend so it should survive
> while
> > in
> > > use. The estimated ERP based on tests made yesterday is only 20mW. Thi=
s
> > > figure
> > > does not include absorption in nearby objects.
> > >
> > > Initially the transmission will be CW only but QRSS3 with CW ID will
> follow
> > > as
> > > soon as I have the ON7YD keyer software and interface set up.
> > >
> > > Antenna: Inverted-L 15m high with 35m horizontal wire. 20 radials 5-25=
m
> > long,
> > > half of them terminated in 0.5m deep earth rods. Rtot estimated to
> roughly
> > > 100ohms.
> > > ATU: Variometer + large loading coil
> > > TX: Keyed 1W 50ohm DDS signal generator feeding a pair of parallell 80=
7's
> > in
> > > class AB1 trough a wideband 1:5 voltage stepup transformer providing
> 80Vp-p
> > > for
> > > the control grids. Classic parallel tuned tank with adjustable couplin=
g
> > coil.
> > > Power output is measured to 65W at 810V/150mA on the plates.
> > >
> > > Unless I receive other suggestions for the QRG that will enable QRM-fr=
ee
> > QRSS
> > > reception for interested stations the frequency will be 136.40kHz.
> > >
> > > I can not receive on 136kHz during this test. I will inform when QRV/Q=
RT.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > >
> > > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> > > Vaasa / KP03SD
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>




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Yes, can't work out where the frequency shift came from.  I did
initially lock onto Jim's tramsission at the begining of each of his
overs, so I would indeed have jumped in freq a couple of times.
Subsequently 'Locked' the Tx frequency and Jim reported no more freq
changes from me after that, although he did end up a few Hz lower
still.

I was using Digipan software which is a bit too QSO-orientated and too
easy to shift frequency to follow others.  So it is quite possible to
end up chasing eachother up and down the band!
Perhaps it would have been better to use G3PLX's  'PSK31SBW' software
which puts precise frequency setting first and QSO mode gimmicks
second.

Anyway, I estimate somewhere between -7 to -4dBW, and will only know
better after some antenna base current measurements, rather than doing
it an the end of 20m of feeder in the shack.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/18 DENNIS EASTERLING <dennis.easterling@btinternet.com>:
> Monitored above contact Sunday 1530.
> M0BMUs signal so strong that I thought it was Chris G3XIZ about 1 km from me
> in Biggleswade testing RTTY at 23Hz shift.   Tried replying then realised it
> was PSK.   Switched to Digipan and would estimate M0BMU strength 9 and G4JNT
> strength 3 but  both perfectly readable.   I would confirm that G4JNT did
> drift slightly between overs.
>
> 73 Dennis M0JXM


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Dear LF enthusiasts and Laurence!

On http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg now (20z)
RA3YO abt 137778,5
DF6NM abt 13777,7
UA4WPF abt 13777,4
traces only

73! Ed RU6LA


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Hi Warren,
capture XGJ

Henny pa3cpm
best 73s

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Warren,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture XGJ</FONT></DIV>
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I have been looking around the various HF bands for NON MORSE acty and find=20=
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f other data modes are rare, perhaps more suited to V/UHF EME work etc.
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Jim, LF

Thanks for the report! Always good to get them, good or bad. Things have cha=
nged
a lot since my last presence on this band, now so much more feedback is
available almost real-time which helps a lot in setting up and evaluating a
system. Back in the 1990's it was more like shooting around in a dark room.=20=
My
ATU coil and antenna current meter are the same ones I used back then but
receiver and transmitters have changed.


73's and good luck with the WSPR operation.

Paul-Henrik


Quoting James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:

> Dear Paul-Henrik, Michel, LF Group,
>
> I just checked 136.8kHz, and OH1LSQ is a weak "M" copy signal here, just
> after dark. Will check again later.
>
> F5WK appeared on my WSPR log at 1504utc, and has been solid copy since the=
n.
> In fact, the signal is audible here at about S3 or 4. DF6NM has also been
> copied until 1718.
>
> I have now (1748utc) re-started the M0BMU WSPR beacon - any reports very
> welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>




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hi Joe,

verry verry litlle trace,

henny pa3cpm
73s

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi Joe,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>verry verry litlle trace,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny pa3cpm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:59:39 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear John, LF Group,
> 
> Yes, that's me... copy is looking very patchy at your QTH tonight. I
> see the others are copying OK, from G3XVL at around +12dB SNR, down
> to the -20s by more distant stations, so there does not seem to be a
> problem with the transmitted signal. I seem to be copying everyone
> OK, except G0NBD - but there is a weak carrier here on about 503.950
> which is probably QRMing him. You haven't changed PC by any chance...
>

Hello Jim,

No, everything is as normal here - same hardware throughout.

The waterfall shows your signal as bright red, despite no decode. 
But... there's always a faint trace just a few Hz hf of you too, not
sure if it's being generated by you, or just coinicidence - nor if
that's the reason that you're not decoding. I normally have no problems
with you.

The 32:14 period had a bright trace from you, but no decode, and a much
fainter trace at 503.914 which decoded as G4WGT.

Could you move to 503.835 and see if the frequency separation between
you and Gary cures the decode failures?

John


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Hello Rik,
I compared also both programs and i like a bit more WSJT7, because it
has a real time spectrograph and measure in real time the audio input
level. As a disvantage unfortunately it has no upload function.

vy73
Marco
DD7PC

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Dear all,

last night I tried receiving WSPR using WSJT7.
It works fine, but I cannot find any "upload button".
Does WSJT7 (in WSPR mode) have an upload function ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Hi Jim, John, Graham, Gary, LF Group,

With one month remaining on the NoV (before renewal!!) I thought it time to
put the station on the air.
It's taken long enough to put it all together, from nothing!
My junk box doesn't normally contain much in the line of RF parts, HI.

So thought I have a try at WSPR and see who hears my mere 10mW first
transmission.

Well to be honest I'm most surprised with the reports from GM4SLV @
700miles.
Thanks for tuning down for a listen, John.

Apologies to Gary for transmitting on his frequency on the first
transmission.
I don't think we doubled as it turns out, since you gave me a report!!

I have an odd issue too with the sound card I use in that the TX/RX
frequencies are about 12Hz different,
But this is only when using the WSPR software.

Hence two corrections, first to line Jim up on RX then another to get my TX
frequency where I intended 503.930kHz.

Thanks go to those who have given words of advice from time to time over the
past 6 months.
And John Gould (RSGB HF Manager) for giving me some encouragement in the
first place to attempt the NoV application and also for giving it the once
over before it was officially posted.

73,
Lee M0LMH,
IO93gx



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Thought I had a false decode of Jim .. but it was real hi

090128 0010  18 -13  0.9   0.503930  M0LMH IO93 10           0     1    0
090128 0012  34   3  0.6   0.503900  M0BMU IO91 30           0     1    0
090128 0018  30  -2  0.5   0.503900  M0BMU IO91 30           0     1    0
090128 0018  19 -11  0.8   0.503931  M0LMH IO93 10           0     1    0

Something is very wrong with the lf set up  I did not decode Gary all night
and not all of Jims signals decoded  either

So using the ft897-d with the ads/usb sound card , every trace is decoding
so .. looks like the sound card is the problem as the rx and tx had similar
problems ..

wonderful ...

G ..=20





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Yes Mal and the occasion for much celebration (not to mention relief!) here.

73 Warren K2ORS


On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:10 PM, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
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Entertainment has always been a big feature on MF, with characters like the=20=
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HNY
G3KEV

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: g4gvw@aol.com=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 11:58 AM
  Subject: Re: LF: HNY 2009


  Hi All,

  Wishing you all a Very Happy New Year for 2009 with many thanks for the ed=
ucational and oft times entertaining exchanges during 2008.

  By the way, so that there is no confusion, I am not the Pat who is reporte=
d to be sending HNY PAT on another frequency.

  73 de Pat G4GVW
  qth nr Felixstowe, Suffolk (Coast of East Anglia)





  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
  To: LF -RSGB LF Group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
  Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:58
  Subject: LF: HNY 2009


  To All,

  My best wishes and a Happy New Year to all on the LF Group.

  73,

  Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.


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  <A title=3Dg4gvw@aol.com href=3D"mailto:g4gvw@aol.com">g4gvw@aol.com</A> <=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: HNY 2009</DIV>
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  <DIV>Hi All,<BR><FONT face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><BR>Wishing yo=
u all=20
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t=20
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Right on Pat!
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: g4gvw@aol.com=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


  Mal,

  Bearing in mind that I was born in 1943 and did the RAE when it required F=
ULL WRITTEN answers AND hand drawn circuits with worked calculations I consi=
der your remark suggesting an ability only to be able to cope with multiple=20=
choice exam papers to be an impertinence.

  It is probable that others may feel equally ill-disposed and consider your=
 remarks to be the inflammatory cause of some of the trading of insults.

  Seems my wish for a more adult and mannered 2009 did not last long!

  73 de Pat G4GVW  =20





  -----Original Message-----
  From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:59
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


  Stewart=20
  This is a simple exercise and NO ONE knows how to do it, plenty of comment=
s and deviations.=20
  An analogy=20
  =20
  1. Some HI TECH RAF pilots asked to fly a WW2 SPITFIRE and found it diffic=
ult and performed badly, needed training and tuition.=20
  =20
  2. Hi Performance students A + in their subjects could not pass a 1960 GCE=
 paper in maths and english.=20
  =20
  These were recent UK TV productions.=20
  =20
  RF engineers and improvisers are scarce it would appear both old and new.=20=
Digital and DC are abundant.=20
  =20
  Take away the Internet source, Maplins and Farnell and the electronics wor=
ld would collapse.=20
  =20
  g3kev=20
  =20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: "Stewart Bryant" <stewart@g3ysx.org.uk>=20
  To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:21 PM=20
  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX=20
  =20
  > mal hamilton wrote:=20
  >> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have=20
  >> had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to=20
  >> submit a cct I will await replies.=20
  >=20
  > I think that we all give up - just tell us how to do it.=20
  >=20
  > Stewart/G3YSX=20
  >=20
  >=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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:10=20
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V>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Mal,<BR><BR><FONT face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bearing in mi=
nd=20
  that I was born in 1943 and did the RAE when it required FULL WRITTEN answ=
ers=20
  AND hand drawn circuits with worked calculations I consider your remark=20
  suggesting an ability only to be able to cope with multiple choice exam pa=
pers=20
  to be an impertinence.<BR><BR>It is probable that others may feel equally=20
  ill-disposed and consider your remarks to be the inflammatory cause of som=
e of=20
  the trading of insults.<BR><BR>Seems my wish for a more adult and mannered=
=20
  2009 did not last long!<BR><BR>73 de Pat G4GVW &nbsp; </FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: mal hamilton=20
  &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Sent:=
=20
  Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:59<BR>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR><BR>
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Arial,Sans-Serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)">Stewart&nbsp;<BR>This=20
  is a simple exercise and NO ONE knows how to do it, plenty of comments and=
=20
  deviations.&nbsp;<BR>An analogy&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>1. Some HI TECH RAF pil=
ots=20
  asked to fly a WW2 SPITFIRE and found it difficult and performed badly, ne=
eded=20
  training and tuition.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>2. Hi Performance students A + in=
=20
  their subjects could not pass a 1960 GCE paper in maths and=20
  english.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>These were recent UK TV=20
  productions.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>RF engineers and improvisers are scarce it=
=20
  would appear both old and new. Digital and DC are=20
  abundant.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Take away the Internet source, Maplins and=20
  Farnell and the electronics world would=20
  collapse.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>g3kev&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>----- Original Messa=
ge=20
  -----&nbsp;<BR>From: "Stewart Bryant" &lt;<A     href=3D"mailto:stewart@g3=
ysx.org.uk">stewart@g3ysx.org.uk</A>&gt;&nbsp;<BR>To:=20
  &lt;<A     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>&gt;&nbsp;<BR>Sent:=20
  Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:21 PM&nbsp;<BR>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade=20
  RX&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&gt; mal hamilton wrote:&nbsp;<BR>&gt;&gt; Since I=20
  mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I=20
  have&nbsp;<BR>&gt;&gt; had several requests for a circuit. To give others=20=
the=20
  opportunity to&nbsp;<BR>&gt;&gt; submit a cct I will await=20
  replies.&nbsp;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;<BR>&gt; I think that we all give up - just te=
ll=20
  us how to do it.&nbsp;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;<BR>&gt;=20
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Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009

 

The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 2009

 

Quote-" A Pensioner who is almost completely paralysed has learned to
communicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.

Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his 79
year-old mother to communicate using her knowledge of the code."

 

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Hi Jim,

just installed WSPR 1.01, and read your signal on first try:

1952 -26  1.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
1956 -22  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23

Is it possible to tell WSPR to listen on a different audio center frequency, other than 1500 Hz?  At the moment, I have to 
workaround with SpecLab on another PC converting from 2000 Hz.

Kind regards
Markus, DF6NM


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> Dear LF Group,
>
> I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/- (136.0kHz "dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any 
> reports would be very welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
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Hi LF,

 

Interesting observation.

 

Tonight up to now I have only had one decode from Graham's WSPR & that was
when I had a high level of broadband noise here masking the signal.

 

I have just inserted some attenuation into the Rx antenna input so there is
no S meter movement on the signal. Now it appears to decode each time.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Tonight up to now I have only h=
ad one decode
from Graham&#8217;s WSPR &amp; that was when I had a high level of broadband
noise here masking the signal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>I have just inserted some atten=
uation into
the Rx antenna input so there is no S meter movement on the signal. Now it
appears to decode each time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
ont-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>73,</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p=
></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
ont-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.</span></font></b>=
</strong><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
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Certainly the first 'Amateur' QSO.

Gary - G4WGT wrote:
>
> *Hi Jay,*
>
> * *
>
> *Well OK then, first UK Olivia QSO!!!!!*
>
> * *
>
> *73*
>
> * *
>
> *Gary.*
>
> * *
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *jrusgrove@comcast.net
> *Sent:* 02 January 2009 21:44
> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> *Subject:* LF: Re: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???
>
>  
>
> WE2XGR/2 and WE2XGR/3 have QSOed in this mode on 500 kHz...and just 
> about all other modes as well...
>
>  
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:* Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>
>     *To:* LF -RSGB LF Group <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>
>     *Sent:* Friday, January 02, 2009 4:23 PM
>
>     *Subject:* LF: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???
>
>      
>
>     *Hi LF,*
>
>     * *
>
>     *Is this the first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??*
>
>     * *
>
>     * *
>
>     *CQ CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk*
>
>     * *
>
>     *CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  *
>
>     * CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  *
>
>     * CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nb*
>
>     * *
>
>     *m0bmu ... ok jim  uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu *
>
>     * *
>
>     *copy ok ???  how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok
>     Graham good copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to
>     figure out the software still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0nbd*
>
>     * *
>
>     *ok dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker !  *
>
>     * *
>
>     *fine copy 100%  what is your peak power o/p ????*
>
>     * *
>
>     *nice to  work you for the first time .. *
>
>     *hr running   30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti  pa block
>     .. multipsk ..*
>
>     * *
>
>     *ae  35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config*
>
>     * *
>
>     *ok ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still
>     good copy when ur sig barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m
>     high, 40m long inv L antenna from EER transverter and IC718 with
>     multipsk also. My ERP should be close to 1W BTU graham de m0bmu
>     kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd*
>
>     * *
>
>     *ok jim fine .. well all 100%  even in a deep qsb dip your signal
>     fell under the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a
>     good mode ..hihi/..  i used  250 hz 8 tone in the past and this
>     gave a good copy under qsb .. better than psk ..*
>
>     * *
>
>     *your signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking
>     on spec-lab and can only see same as my ouit going .......*
>
>     * *
>
>     *ok .. well  fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti 
>     pa .. im keeping *
>
>     *power down hihi*
>
>     *btu jim ???*
>
>     * *
>
>     *g0ndb de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had
>     had a nasty accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of
>     your over, but mostly OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since
>     not really any amplitude modulation in this mode anyway - so could
>     use class D tx and keep things a bit simpler. You mentioned
>     narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500hz bandwidth variants,
>     wonder how they compare - would not get as many complaints about
>     bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd*
>
>     * m0bmu .. de g0nbd *
>
>     * *
>
>     *ok fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx
>     button and the tx stopped hihi *
>
>     * *
>
>     *well this was a quick test to  see if this mode printed better
>     over the noise ...looks to  work very well  *
>
>     * *
>
>     *could   change mode ?   8 x 250  that would give a good test , 
>     reduce to    8 x 250   8 x 250 ???*
>
>     * *
>
>     *bkbkbkbk*
>
>     * *
>
>     *ok graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8
>     x 50 mode now - pse qrx...ok  changing to  8 x 250***
>
>     * *
>
>     **73,**
>
>      
>
>     **Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.**
>
>      
>


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Nicolas,

      Thank you for the report!
-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1

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>
>
>
> F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP
>
> RX : Icom IC7400
> Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010
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Thanks for the screenshot Jim!

Amazing, I thought it would take more to make it down there. It is good to 
be
back on 136 after a 12 year break. My best DX back then was the Karlsborg
expedition in Sweden (7S6SAJ)

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:

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>
> Now copying your QRSS3 - see attachment. Signal is recovering from QSB.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU






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Hello Gary and LF,

Yes, I'd agree that we should stick to TX power rather than ERP in WSPR
beacon data.

This allows comparisons of antenna efficiencies to be made by comparing
reported power vs s/n ratios, normalizing for TX power.

An efficient antenna will give larger ERP for given TX power, and
should show a commensurately larger S/N ratio. This method also removes
the fudge and fiddle factors most people have to make to estimate ERP.

The available choices of power level, in the software option setting, go
up to 60dBm, so there's even scope for the EAST RIDING FOG HORN to join
in.

Cheers,

John

 On Sun, 25 Jan
2009 19:55:54 -0000 "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi John, LF,
> 
> You wrote :-
> As to power reporting, I see that most people on LF/MF are attempting
> to estimate ERP, and use this figure in the beacon data.
> 
> This aspect of power reporting method has been briefly discussed on
> LF but even on the HF bands there may well be as large a difference
> in antenna gains as there is on 500KHz.
> 
> I believe that we should adopt the recommended WSPR standard then all
> the reporting is the same whether it is HF, MF or LF.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Gary - G4WGT.

> 
> 


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I'm WSPRing again.  Tere was a request earlier this week for some more QRP
operation, so I've put a switched attenuator into circuit ready.  Currrently
running at the original 80 Watts figure, but throughout the evening, I will
progressively reduce power in steps - unless there are any requests for
specific reductions.   Fully linear system and I have 1dB resolution
available.

Suggestions pse for power levels.

Also do have the margin to increase power by about 2 - 3dB as well,



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<div>I&#39;m WSPRing again.&nbsp; Tere was&nbsp;a request earlier this week=20=
for some more QRP operation, so I&#39;ve put a switched attenuator into circ=
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<div>Suggestions pse for power levels.</div>
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<div>Also do have the margin to increase power by about 2 - 3dB as well, </d=
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:00:06 -0000
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> Mark
> 
> This is getting silly hihi 500 mW to the aE .. 


LF Wisperers,..

I've just started my WPSR RX setup, so will look from time to time to
see how the QRP signals decode.

1st period has just ended, 

2104 -17 G4JNT

7dBm ERP!

Good going...

Should make interesting viewing after a few hours.

Now, where's my red wine.....

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Jim,

Still decoding OK here...

205400   6   5  1.3   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
210200   6   5  1.2   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
210800   6   6  1.3   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
211600   7   7  1.2   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23    

233000   5   2  1.6   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23         
233400   6   3  1.5   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23              


73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: LF: RE: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz - yay!


Jim, LF

My WSPR problem is sorted now. I installed v7.02, as suggested by Piotr.
This version is much easier to set up, and the SpecJT display is very
useful.

204600   7  -4  1.2   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23
205400   6   5  1.3   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz


Dear John, LF Group,

The WSPR beacon is now running on 137.50kHz (RF out), 136.0kHz "dial
frequency", 33% TX. Any reports would be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU





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Dear Paul-Henrick, LF Group,

Not yet - I think it would need about 10 more dB to make your sigs audible 
at the moment. 0.3Hz bandwidth is OK for QRSS, but not for normal speed CW!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Hello Jim, LF

Thanks for the update and information. I have one question on your comments:

> of noise in the middle is where I switched to the E-W loop for a while. I 
> am
> getting pretty consistent 10 - 15dB SNR in 0.3Hz bandwidth with the N-S 
> loop

Are you saying you can/could actually copy my CW-ident by ear? That would 
open
yet another dimesion. So far I know my CW has only been copied by ear within 
a
300km radius.




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r>Many thanks for the WSPR activity.<br><br>To me, it was a nice way to comp=
are two receiving sites.<br>The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed=
:<br><br>0900&nbsp; -7&nbsp; 0.5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137500&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 27<=
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e at the moment (ground is frozen still), but comparing Jim's report to the=20=
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Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,

Many thanks for the WSPR activity.

To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving sites.
The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:

0900  -7  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27

(automatic uploading of spots to http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=
=3Dhtml&band=3D2190&limit=3D50&findcall=3D&findreporter=3D&sort=3Ddate

was off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.

At the same period, the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB ... 13=
 dB less SNR than here at the club station, using the 200 meter wire antenna=
. What a difference !
I don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is frozen st=
ill), but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems to be in the=
 same region as M0BMU.

Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short while now.

73,
  Wolf  DL4YHF ( @ df0wd,  JO42FD) .

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It has decided to update my loc. now without having to do anything this
end!.   Wish it didn't use lower case second letters - that is not the
standard as defined by the Maidenhead committee!

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


2009/1/30 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>

> I registerd with WSPRnet and it is showing me as a user. Have just uploaded
> the first spot.
> It still gives my loc. as IO90 and not IO90IV
> What's it got wrong.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
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<div>It has decided to update my loc. now without having to do anything this end!.&nbsp;&nbsp; Wish it didn&#39;t use lower case second letters - that is not the standard as defined by the Maidenhead committee!</div>
<div><br clear="all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href="http://www.g4jnt.com">www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">2009/1/30 Andy Talbot <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com">andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div>I registerd with WSPRnet and it is showing me as a user. Have just uploaded the first spot.</div>
<div>It still gives my loc. as IO90 and not IO90IV</div>
<div>What&#39;s it got wrong.</div>
<div><br clear="all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href="http://www.g4jnt.com/" target="_blank">www.g4jnt.com</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br>

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On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:35:48 -0500
<jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:

> John, Rik and group
> 
> Confirming that WE2XGR/2 TX is up and WSPRing. Will continue
> transmissions until at least 0000Z and probably beyond.

Hello Jay,

Nothing seen as yet, no trace on the WSPR waterfall, nor on Spectrum
Lab/grabber.

Will keep checking in the shack as the night progresses.

Spots are being uploaded as normal to WSPRnet.

Good luck!

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Dear Graham,

Your sigs mostly inaudible here - patchy copy with both Olivia and Domino, 
solid copy in WSPR as you would expect.

It has not long been dark here, so I expect signal levels will pick up 
later.

Wonder why you have selected Domino F im preference to the superceding 
Domino EX modes?

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Subject: LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late



Running  data mode , DominoF and olivia  8x250  , wspr
power about 20  watts per mode ..tx set started  1630




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That is a more sensible power for MF. Coastal stns were running in excess of=
 this power and ships between 1 - 2 kw so whats new.
Radio amateurs are at a disatvantage at present but could handle it, but app=
liance operators NO.
G3KEV


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: dave.riley3=20
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  NEWS FLASH
  The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF=20
  CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts.
  Hope some of you guys get your T2 license to run the station after=20
  construction. As soon as the snow melts and temperatures rise a bit the=20
  large vertical will be errected. My QTH can only be temporary so we=20
  must find a permanent home ASAP.

  73, Steve

  WA1HUD

  President NEHRS, Inc.

  http://nehrs.net/default.aspx

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
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    Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:15 AM
    Subject: LF: PROPAGATION WSPR


    On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation as s=
uggested by some. Two procedures are required with the mode. First it has to=
 be detected then analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. Mo=
rse sent in the QRS mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot only=20=
requires one procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a good indi=
cation of propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.

    I have pointed out recently that I have observed all of the traces from=20=
those transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been directly keyed in QRS mode=20=
an ID or intellegence would have been conveyed, whereas only part of the tim=
e was the signals decoded in wspr. For those viewing the print format only a=
nd getting no copy would never know whether the signall was being received o=
r if it was faulty sampling and decoding.=20

    Cut out the second procedure of decoding, avoid ambiguity and use the sl=
ow keyed carried method using morse code or murray code. A waterfall display=
 and the EYE is a very sensitive detector,=20
    For those experimenting with data modes have fun but todate in the amate=
ur radio LF/MF context nothing yet has surpassed the use of slow morse keyed=
 at a speed to suit one's needs ie propagation studies or communication betw=
een two stations.
    mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That is a more sensible power for MF. Coast=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Radio amateurs are at a disatvantage at pre=
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could handle it,&nbsp;but appliance operators NO.</FONT></DIV>
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le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">NEWS FLASH<BR>The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the=20
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a=20
  maximum power of 5000 watts.<BR>Hope some of you guys get your T2 license=20=
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On&nbsp;LF &nbsp;I do not think wspr is=
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    QRS mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot only requires one=
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=20
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g, avoid=20
    ambiguity&nbsp;and use the slow keyed carried method using morse code or=
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"mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

> Getting a wspr decode
> 203200 4 0 -0.7 4 0 
> but no callsign or locator
> g3kev


2032  12 -18  0.1   0.503967  G0NBD IO83 13 


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Mal

Not surprised. Dave is on the coast in Marshfield Massachusetts and I'm cons=
iderably inland. Take a couple dB away and there will be little to nothing o=
n the Argo screen. It's like the difference in received signal level here be=
tween you and Finbar - being on the water is a big advantage.

Last night's attempt was using the vertical transmit antenna for receiving.=20=
When we worked previously I used the K9AY for receive...but the recent ice s=
torm has taken it down. Repairs should be completed this afternoon.=20

If you'd like to give it another try tonight I'll be happy to take a listen.

Jay
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:52 AM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Hi agn Dave
  After research I see u are AA1A in Main. You had fb copy on my signal, sur=
prisingly Jay saw nothing, although I had copied him OOO
  Can you TX for a qso if so let me know when.
  I often copy your signal on 500 khz audible and strong at times.WD2XSH/17.=
 We could possibly have a norm CW QSO.
  Tnx agn for the photos and report=20
  de mal/g3kev/IO94SH

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: dave.riley3=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:09 AM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Mal,

    Looking good here>>  http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg

    http://www.radiocom.net/KEV9.jpg


    73s from Dave




    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    Jay
    Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and a=
gn 2214 utc
    It looks ok so far.
    mal
    g3kev


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nbsp;</DIV>
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try&nbsp;tonight I'll be happy to take a listen.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi agn Dave</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After research I see u are AA1A in Main.=20=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can you TX for a qso if so let me know=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I often copy your signal on 500 khz audib=
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tnx agn for the photos and report </FONT>=
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    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,<BR><BR>Looking good here&gt;&gt;&nbsp;=20=
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Yes, just about the same level of decoding, but MFSK certainly looks
weaker on teh spectrogrram.
 Need to stop Rx and tunr off now, but will monitor this reflector

Interesting stuff - half-tempted to apply for teh 500kHz NoV.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
> Andy,
>
> Are you looking at the same level of demodulation  for olivia and  mfsk ?
>
> If so  that's a useful outcome as I know some stations are in the process=20=
of
> making tx transverters, but don't have linear power amps.. in which case,
> mfsk  may offer an  advantage over 2 tone rtt ?
>
> Tnx- G ..
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:21 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>>
>> I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
>> throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
>> important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
>> particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
>> getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
>> but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
>> poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.
>>
>> So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
>> over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
>> fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
>> much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
>> QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>>
>>> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
>>> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
>>> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot"
>>> <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
>>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>>
>>>
>>>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>>>
>>>> OLIVIA :
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>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
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Uq
>>>> 8
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>>>> gnbd
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>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
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bd
>>>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MFSK8
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>>>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>>>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>>>
>>>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------=
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
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>>> 1:10 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009
>> 13:10
>>
>
>
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hi Joe,
nice capture xko
henny pa3cpm
best 73s

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi Joe,</FONT></DIV>
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Hello Jim , Wolf ,
I monitoring the WSPR band on 137 kHz , qtf 295=B0
I uploading spots to http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

1024 -12  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
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1030 -21  1.0   0.137511  0 DF0WD JO42 27
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1056  -9  0.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27

dl4yhf@freenet.de a =E9crit :
> Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,
>
> Many thanks for the WSPR activity.
>
> To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving sites.
> The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:
>
> 0900  -7  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27
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Dear Graham, LF Group,

Thanks for our first QSO this evening. As keyboard-to-keyboard "chat" modes 
go, this has to be the best I have experienced so far at LF/MF. The 32 
tone/1kHz sub-mode produced almost 100% copy provided the signal was 
audible - the somewhat slower 4 tone/250Hz setting was better still, only 
producing errors during short periods at the fading minima when the signal 
was completely inaudible and invisible on the spectrogram as well. I have 
always struggled to copy G0NDB before, but on this occasion we had a fairly 
lengthy QSO without any great difficulty. I think the main practical 
difficulty for random QSOs would be knowing that there was a signal present 
to decode - it would be sensible to have a calling frequency for future 
tests.

I would agree that the 1kHz bandwidth sub-mode is too wide for routine use 
in the present 500kHz band. But it does not violate the present licence 
conditions, and I think it is an interesting experiment to see if a 
relatively wide-band mode is an advantage for selective fading conditions on 
this band. Looking at the various menus in Fldigi, I see that Olivia can be 
configured for any combination of bandwidth from 125Hz to 2kHz, and 2 - 256 
tones (I tried it - you can have 256 tones and 125Hz, or 2 tones in 2kHz, 
although how well it works is another matter...). It would be interesting to 
try back-to-back comparisons with varying parameters to test the 
possibilities of fast vs. slow, wide vs. narrow.

Cheers, Jim moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Hello Andy, Jim, Rik and all,


yes it is just that what I wanted to point at:
In a beacon mode we need not communicate information 
other than the confidence on the identity of the 
station "heard".

Three years ago I implemented into my CWP-system 
exactly what Andy describes. Finding very weak 
constant non-drifting carriers is easy. But 
modulated, and heavily drifting signals as in my 
case of EME, that really is difficult. 
In the EME case the problem is home-made. Since 
the relative motion of Earth and Moon is known, 
and every operator knows his location on Earth, 
he could precisely compensate the drift such that 
the Moon hears him (and sends his signal back) on 
a constant frequency. And the receiver could 
compensate for it's own motion relative to the 
moon. But sometimes it seems to me that amateurs 
do not like to go the easiest way.

Indeed, the WSPR system, i.e. the infra-structure 
as seen by the operator is fine. Unfortunately, 
the subsystem for communication via the radio 
waves could be better by more than 6 dB. 
Also finding a BPSK-signal is easier than WSPR. 

73!
Klaus, DJ5HG


> Automatic monitoring of the signal strength / frequency of CW beacon
> signals, including those that drift by a small amount, can be achieved
> using signal processing techniqes borrowed from the radar and Comint
> worlds.   Referred to as CFAR, or Constant False Alarm Rate, the
> principle is to take an FFT of the wanted band, then obtain an
> estimate of the noise level and all CARRIER type signals present by
> using statistical techniques, like averaging over adjacent time
> samples, searching adjacent bins and voting.
> 
> I described the process in detail in the RadCom Data Column  in three
> parts over April/June/August 2008  and it also appears in "Command"  [
> http://www.rsgbshop.org/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Computing___Radio_39.html
>  (still some copies left at bargain prices:) ]
> 
> The S/N of any carrier that exceeds the noise level by a certain
> minimum amount can be determined accurately by the monitoring process,
> its frequency determined and drifting signals can be tracked.
> Multiple carrier s can be tracked if needed  The process does not work
> so reliably where signals are modulated, so clearly are not of much
> use for situations where the beacon callsign etc is not known in
> advance.    However, it can be made to work sucessfully on the
> microwave bands, where beacons freqeuncies and locations are known in
> advance.
> 
> Microwave Beacon Monitoring software using CFAR techniqes and
> including all source code can be found at :
>    http://www.g4jnt.com/dspsw.htm
> with an overview at    http://www.g4jnt.com/UWBCNMON.pdf
> 
> This particular software is too wideband for LF use, but the code
> could be modified for lower sampling rates and bandwidths, and used
> for auto monitoring of QRSS signals, once their origin has been
> determined by other means
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
> > Hello Klaus,
> >
> >> On the other hand, WSPR has the advantage of automatic
> >> recording. But that is not an advantage of the mode, it
> >> simply is the lack of a corresponding simple program that
> >> does the same with a QRSS signal.
> >
> > the automatic recording/reporting ability is clearly an advantage of WSPR in
> > regard with propagation studies. And I agree that QRSS or DFCW would serve
> > as well or even better if a similar automatic recording/reporting would be
> > provided.
> > But I am afraid that a "waterfall display to ASCII" conversion is not simple
> > at all ;-)
> >
> >> Nevertheless, WSPR is not very near to the Shannon limit.
> >> I spent nearly all my leisure time of the last year with
> >> the design of a new digital ham radio QSO-mode HD43 that
> >> comes as close as possible to the theoretical limit.
> >> I will send a preprint on request.
> >
> > I am interested
> >
> > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T
> >
> >
> > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
> >
> >
> >
> 




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> Great to see some signals !! - Ive raised the probe up to some 5m 
> above roof level and still have a poor -90dBm noise level - but good 
> enough
>  
> Laurence BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China

UA9CS start qrss60  beacon  137776 "CS"
RA3YO at 15z  dfcw240   137778.25/.15  "Y"
UA4WPF dfcw120 137777.20/.00  "WPF"
 

>  
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:21:05 +0300
> > From: ra3yo@mail.ru
> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > Subject: Re: LF: China grabber 137.777 for tonight. now UA4WPF
> >
> > Hi Laurence!
> >
> > Good signals from UA4WPF! 137777.2 dfcw120
> > I'm beaconing 137778.25 dfcw120
> >
> > Dmitry
> > RA3YO
> >
> > Laurence BY3A-KL1X China ïèøåò:
> >
> > >
> > > Ill have the China Grabber running my night time in the area of
> > > 137.777 dot 60 slow in about an hours time -
> > >
> > > My darkness period is now at 0847Z, till 2325Z. Though with this smog
> > > it might have set hours ago...
> > >
> > > http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg
> > >
> > > Laurence BY3A-KL1X OM89UA Tanggu NE China
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Laurence BY3A-KL1X China ïèøåò:<br>
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  </style>Great to see some signals !! - Ive raised the probe up to
some 5m above roof level and still have a poor -90dBm noise level - but
good enough<br>
 <br>
Laurence BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China<br>
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UA9CS start qrss60  beacon  137776 "CS"<br>
RA3YO at 15z  dfcw240   137778.25/.15  "Y"<br>
UA4WPF dfcw120 137777.20/.00  "WPF"<br>
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  <br>
  <br>
&gt; Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:21:05 +0300<br>
&gt; From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ra3yo@mail.ru">ra3yo@mail.ru</a><br>
&gt; To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: LF: China grabber 137.777 for tonight. now UA4WPF<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hi Laurence!<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Good signals from UA4WPF! 137777.2 dfcw120<br>
&gt; I'm beaconing 137778.25 dfcw120<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Dmitry<br>
&gt; RA3YO<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Laurence BY3A-KL1X China ïèøåò:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Ill have the China Grabber running my night time in the area
of <br>
&gt; &gt; 137.777 dot 60 slow in about an hours time -<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; My darkness period is now at 0847Z, till 2325Z. Though with
this smog <br>
&gt; &gt; it might have set hours ago...<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg">http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg</a><br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Laurence BY3A-KL1X OM89UA Tanggu NE China<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:05:03 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear John, LF Group,
> 
> The WSPR beacon is now running on 137.50kHz (RF out), 136.0kHz "dial 
> frequency", 33% TX. Any reports would be very welcome.

Hi Jim, LF,

Things were going well, some slow QSB took you from initial -12dB down
to -20dB. Just as you started to climb back up I'm engulfed in a
statically charged snowstorm!

I'm using my short capacity loaded vertical (as used on 500) with the
MF ATU replaced by a ferrite transformer at the feedpoint. I'm trying
to ascertain if it's necessary to use a tuned pre-amp in the shack or
not. After several decodes between -20dB and -17dB (with the pre-amp IN)
I started a sequence of IN, OUT tests, but that's when the charged snow
started to fall and obliterate everything... so no further data
collected.

I'll leave the RX running, pre-amp out, overnight. I guess you'll QRT
soon. Thanks for the tests, my first ever amateur signals on 136kHz.

Cheers,

John





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It could be used but that  was not the object of the excercise. It could be=20=
used on 500 for a QSO because of the poor selectivity a number of signals wo=
uld hetrodyne and produce a note with careful fiddling.
Why has noone so far been able to answer a simple question and stick to the=20=
topic. In the first instance what materials are required for the project and=
 where would one acquire each irem.=20
Someone suggested MAPLINS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
g3kev
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  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:31 PM
  Subject: RE: LF: Razor blade RX


  Mal,

  =20

  You wrote :-

  >>>>>> Dont know why you ask about AM, MF LF etc

  =20

  You previously wrote :-

  >>>>>>> Build one and have a QSO using this RX g3kev

  =20

  That seems to be the reason why.

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT.

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  Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

  =20

  How would you make the earphone, what bits would you use. How exactly woul=
d you use the razor blade, edge, broadside, for actual connection in cct and=
 how would you tweak it for max sensitivity. Dont know why you ask about AM,=
 MF LF etc. This sort of device is not likely to be any good on vhf.

  I already know all the answers. I am  asking you and others how would you=20=
do it. So far no one has described how to to build one and set it up.

  A telephone earpiece is not on the shopping list. You have to describe how=
 to make it. I will give you a clue, its a hiZ device, not like modern types=
.=20

  You have no junk box, you have to gather up the pieces lying around or wou=
ld find in a trench or P0W camp.=20

  I can see now why noone could pass an examination except it was multiple c=
hoice type with all the  answers in front of the canditate=20

  g3kev

  =20

    =20

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: M0FMT=20

    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

    Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:44 PM

    Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

    =20

          OK Mal

          =20

          What actually is the challenge then?

          =20

          Just to make an RX using a razor blade as the guys in Coldiz did?=20

          An Rx to receive AM broadcast stations on the Medium wave or Long=20=
wave BC bands?

          I think that RX has been described previously in these exchanges.

          Or are you asking for one to be actually made and demonstrated?

          Or do you just want a shopping list of things to be stolen of thei=
r captors to make the RX? Together with a technical description of how the w=
hole thing works?=20

          Shopping list like:- Razor blade, wire, telephone earpiece, pencil=
, safety pin, sliver paper for cap etc? But in more detail, the razor blade=20=
being a bit of a Red Herring because most oxides on metal surfaces will exhi=
bit a none linear conduction characteristic required for AC rectification e.=
g the rusty nail effect beloved by the old C&G RAE.. =20

          =20

          Or have you got a "Smart Alec" solution?=20

          =20

          Please specify!

          =20

          Regards 73 Petefmt

          --- On Wed, 7/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

            From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
            Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
            To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
            Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:38 AM

Please answer the question.  I did not ask if it could be used on 500 at pre=
sent., but if so one would TX using MCW or Keyed Tone and old spy tric.g3kev=
 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.=
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Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX  > Mal,> > I did build a "crystal radio" wit=
h a razor blade as detectorwhen I> was 14 years old.> It had to be rusty to=20=
work properly and even then it was a very poor > detector.> And it is an AM=20=
detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.> > 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T=
> > > Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:> >> Since I mentioned a=20=
Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I>> have had several requests for=
 a circuit. To give others the>> opportunity to submit a cct I will await re=
plies. This method was>> used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to=
 receive BBC>> broadcasts.>> Let us know how you would approach the subject.=
 This is applicable>> to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicv=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2=
:31=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: LF: Razor blade RX</DI=
V>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">Mal,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">You=20
  wrote :-<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt=
;</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT     face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial"=
> Dont know why you ask about AM,=20
  MF LF etc<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">You=20
  previously wrote :-<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Build=20
  one and have a QSO using this RX g3kev<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">That=20
  seems to be the reason why.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN=
></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">Gary=20
  =96 G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <DIV>
  <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><FONT =20=
   face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=20=
12pt">
  <HR tabIndex=3D-1 align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
  </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US  =20=
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</S=
PAN></FONT></B><FONT     face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US     style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A     href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEI=
GHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>mal <st1:City     w:st=3D"on"><st1:place=20=
w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:place></st1:City><BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WE=
IGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 07 January 2009 14:00<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"=
FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">S=
ubject:</SPAN></B> Re: LF: Razor blade=20
  RX</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">How would you make the earphone,=20
  what bits would you use. How exactly would you use the razor blade, edge,=20
  broadside, for actual connection in cct and how would you tweak it for max=
=20
  sensitivity. Dont know why you ask about AM, MF LF etc. This sort of devic=
e is=20
  not likely to be any good on vhf.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I already know all the answers. I=20
  am&nbsp; asking you and others how would you do it. So far no one has=20
  described how to to build one and set it=20
up.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A telephone earpiece is not on the=20
  shopping list. You have to describe how to make it. I will give you a clue=
,=20
  its a hiZ device, not like modern types. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DI=
V>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You have no junk box, you have to=20
  gather up the pieces lying around or would find in a trench or P0W camp.=20
  </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I can see now why noone could pass=20
  an examination except it was multiple choice&nbsp;type&nbsp;with all the&n=
bsp;=20
  answers in front of the canditate </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">g3kev</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE     style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BO=
RDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; MARGIN: 5pt 0=
cm 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTT=
OM: medium none">
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"font-color: black">
    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=3DArial=
       size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FON=
T-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><S=
PAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A       title=3Dm0fmt@ya=
hoo.co.uk href=3D"mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk">M0FMT</A>=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT=
></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-=
FAMILY: Arial"> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org       href=3D"=
mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FO=
NT></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FON=
T-FAMILY: Arial">=20
    Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:44 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN><=
/FONT></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt;=20=
FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: LF:=20
    Razor blade RX<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <TABLE class=3DMsoNormalTable cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 border=3D0=
>
      <TBODY>
      <TR>
        <TD           style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDIN=
G-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm"           vAlign=3Dtop>
          <DIV id=3Dyiv364037756>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">OK Mal<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></=
DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></=
DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">What actually is the challenge=20
          then?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></=
DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Just to make an RX using a razor blad=
e as the=20
          guys in Coldiz did? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">An Rx to receive AM broadcast station=
s on the=20
          Medium wave or Long wave BC bands?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></D=
IV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I think that RX has been described pr=
eviously=20
          in these exchanges.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Or are you asking for one to be actua=
lly made=20
          and demonstrated?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Or do you just want a shopping list o=
f things=20
          to be stolen of their captors to make the RX? Together with a=20
          technical description of how the whole thing=20
          works?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Shopping list like:- Razor blade, wir=
e,=20
          telephone earpiece, pencil, safety pin, sliver paper for cap etc?=20=
But=20
          in more detail, the razor blade being a bit of a Red Herring becau=
se=20
          most oxides on metal surfaces will exhibit a none linear conductio=
n=20
          characteristic required for&nbsp;AC rectification e.g the rusty na=
il=20
          effect beloved by the old C&amp;G=20
          RAE..&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></=
DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Or have you got a "Smart Alec"=20
          solution?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></=
DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Please=20
          specify!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></=
DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=
             style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Regards 73 Petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B><=
SPAN             style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Wed, 7/1/09, mal <st1:City    =20=
        w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:place></st1:City>=20
          <I><SPAN             style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic">&lt;g3kevmal@tal=
ktalk.net&gt;</SPAN></I></SPAN></B>=20
          wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
          <BLOCKQUOTE             style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDIN=
G-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; M=
ARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: #1=
010ff 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">
            <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT       =20=
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Fro=
m:=20
            mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF: R=
azor=20
            blade RX<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Wednesday,=
 7=20
            January, 2009, 11:38 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT f=
ace=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Please answer t=
he question.&nbsp; I did not ask if it could be used on 500 at <o:p></o:p></=
SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt">present., but if so one would TX using MCW or Keyed Tone and=20=
old spy tric.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20=
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">g3kev<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE=
><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SP=
AN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE: 10pt">From: "Rik Strobbe" &lt;Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;<o:p></o=
:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To: &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt;<o:p></o:p></SP=
AN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE: 10pt">Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:53 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10=
pt">Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT=
 face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=
=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt; Mal,<o:p></o:=
p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT fac=
e=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt; I did build=20=
a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P=
RE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">=
when I<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=
=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt; was 14 years old.<o:p></o:p></SPAN=
></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt">&gt; It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a v=
ery poor <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=
=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt; detector.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>=
</PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10p=
t">&gt; And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.<=
o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FO=
NT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt; 73, Ri=
k&nbsp; ON7YD - OR7T<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courie=
r New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN>=
</FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 10pt">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courie=
r New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt; Quoting mal <st1:City w=
:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:place></st1:City> &lt;g3kevm=
al@talktalk.net&gt;:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courie=
r New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN>=
</FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 10pt">&gt;&gt; Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while=
 back I<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=
=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;&gt; have had several requests for=20=
a circuit. To give others the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=
=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;&gt; opportuni=
ty to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was<o:p></o:p></SPAN></=
FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE=
: 10pt">&gt;&gt; used successfully&nbsp; at Coldiz and other POW camps to re=
ceive BBC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=
=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&gt;&gt; broadcasts.<o:p></o:p></SPAN><=
/FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZ=
E: 10pt">&gt;&gt; Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is ap=
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On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:35:53 -0000
"mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

> I have been looking around the various HF bands for NON MORSE acty
> and find  that the old RTTY is the most prolific mode in use

Mal,

You are, of course, entirely wrong in this assumption/observation.

Just because your ears identify RTTY easily doesn't mean that's the most
common mode. 

When you tune across 14.070MHz during the day how many PSK31 signals do
you think you hear? One, two?

I've just counted 15, at 0816 on a dark winter's morning, without
spending too long watching the band. There were probably many more
stations active, had I watched for longer.

How many RTTY stations did you spot? I saw and heard 2, in the same
time span that I counted 15 PSK stations.

So that seems to, in an unscientific way, disprove your theory.


How many Olivia / MFSK16  signals did you hear? None? Doesn't mean there
aren't active QSOs going on, just because your cursory sweep didn't
detect them - as I and others have pointed out, some of these modes are
so sensitive that they work well below the noise floor.

CW is a great mode, my favourite and the one that makes up 80% of my
QSO count, but the facts remain - some of the new DSP modes are more
sensitive, and if well designed, will work with a wide variety of
ionospheric/path disturbances (selective fading, multipath, group delay
errors, inband carrier QRM etc etc) as well or better than plain old CW.

I've done tests on 160m with a station in OH-land comparing
SSB/Hell/CW/MFSK16 and Olivia. 

Obviously the SSB was the poorest performer, but by far the
best, for readability of information was Olivia/MFSK. 
100% copy down to below 1W, long after the Hell and CW signals had been
lost. 

The CW performed very well in comparison to the SBB and Hell, and in
quick bursts could pass the rudiments of a QSO between QSB dips etc,
but the Olivia and MFSK modes just kept on printing, even though the
signals were inaudible and invisible on the waterfall.  You, scanning
the band looking for data for your survey, might not have even know we
were having a 100% copy QSO had you tuned across us that night.

Perhaps QRSS may have worked, with careful optimising of the
waterfall bandwidth etc, but that's hardly a fast, chatty, "pass
information" operating mode.

John


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Thanks for the screenshot Jim!

Amazing, I thought it would take more to make it down there. It is good to b=
e
back on 136 after a 12 year break. My best DX back then was the Karlsborg
expedition in Sweden (7S6SAJ)

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:

> Dear Paul-Henrik,
>
> Now copying your QRSS3 - see attachment. Signal is recovering from QSB.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU




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.. this is the cross modulation signature on the RN3AGC grabber. The pattern was also visible on F1AFJ's screen. - 73, Markus

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From: "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
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Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz, Luxembourg


 The band is fairly quiet tonight. Twice for a few minutes around 23:23 and 23:33, there were strong Luxembourg sideband carriers
 simultaneously on both HGA and DCF. They were apparently caused by a 1054 Hz sinusoidal modulation test tone (sidebands at 136.484,
 75 uV/m and 137.776 kHz, 13 uV/m). There was also a -20 dB second harmonic component (137.538, 6 uV/m and 136.722, 1.5 uV/m), due 
to
 the square-law charasteristic of the heating effect.

 Kind regards,
Marksu, DF6NM
 

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Andy
Have you used these diodes in a linear psu
mal/g3kev

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> Quite likely Schottky diodes.   Much lower forward voltage drop -
> typical 0.15 to 0.3V at rated current, and OK for fasr SMPSUs.
> Reverse leakage can be very high.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
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>
>
> 2009/1/23 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>> MF/LF
>> For interest, nearly every diode that I have tested varies one from 
>> another
>> even a matched batch. I suppose normally constructers just grab the 
>> required
>> number for a project and start soldering. Perhaps its not that important 
>> as
>> long as they are conducting in one direction and offer some resistance in
>> the reverse direction.
>> mal/g3kev
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> I have found some rectifiers MBR 6045 and although these would do the 
>> job, I
>> notice the FORWARD/REVERSE resistance is a lot lower than normal silicon
>> high curent rectifiers.
>> de mal/g3kev
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:41:24 -0000
"J. B. Weazle McCreath" <weazle@hurontel.on.ca> wrote:

> Hello LFers,
> 
> Is the default setting for the two slider controls above where
> you enter your frequencies OK?  What exactly do they do?
> Thanks in advance from someone still learning the ropes.


I believe they control the visual sensitivity and contrast of the
waterfall display, nothing more, and probably aren't important for
decoding.

Others may have more information. 

I haven't adjusted them from the default positions.

Cheers,

John


> 
> 


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Thanx Henny,last night test in QRSS120 with the russian grabbers without =20
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73s
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mal hamilton wrote:
> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have 
> had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to 
> submit a cct I will await replies. 

I think that we all give up - just tell us how to do it.

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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:24:23 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.
>
Hello Gary, LF,

I'm getting a fairly reliable signal from you, with just enough QSB to
dip under the decoding margin from time to time.

As to power reporting, I see that most people on LF/MF are attempting
to estimate ERP, and use this figure in the beacon data.

There was much discussion on the WSPR forum on the merits or otherwise
of this approach, in the HF sphere at least.

It might be easier if we adopted the same approach as is recommended
for HF use - to report the actual TX power, not ERP.

I see your last beacon is reporting 3dBm! Wow... that really is "flea
power". Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW
ERP from a large one.

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John
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... Is that 5 KW  erp or Just plate input ?=20

G ..=20



From: dave.riley3=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:31 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: LF: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR


NEWS FLASH
The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF=20
CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts.
Hope some of you guys get your T2 license to run the station after=20
construction. As soon as the snow melts and temperatures rise a bit the=20
large vertical will be errected. My QTH can only be temporary so we=20
must find a permanent home ASAP.

73, Steve

WA1HUD

President NEHRS, Inc.

http://nehrs.net/default.aspx

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal hamilton=20
  To: rsgb=20
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:15 AM
  Subject: LF: PROPAGATION WSPR


  On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation as sug=
gested by some. Two procedures are required with the mode. First it has to b=
e detected then analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. Mors=
e sent in the QRS mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot only re=
quires one procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a good indica=
tion of propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.

  I have pointed out recently that I have observed all of the traces from th=
ose transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been directly keyed in QRS mode an=
 ID or intellegence would have been conveyed, whereas only part of the time=20=
was the signals decoded in wspr. For those viewing the print format only and=
 getting no copy would never know whether the signall was being received or=20=
if it was faulty sampling and decoding.=20

  Cut out the second procedure of decoding, avoid ambiguity and use the slow=
 keyed carried method using morse code or murray code. A waterfall display a=
nd the EYE is a very sensitive detector,=20
  For those experimenting with data modes have fun but todate in the amateur=
 radio LF/MF context nothing yet has surpassed the use of slow morse keyed a=
t a speed to suit one's needs ie propagation studies or communication betwee=
n two stations.
  mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>... Is that 5 KW&nbsp; erp or Just plate in=
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:31 PM</DIV>
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b_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4 face=3D"Bookman Old Style">
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN   style=
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C=20
the call letter WNE for MF <BR>CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maxi=
mum=20
power of 5000 watts.<BR>Hope some of you guys get your T2 license to run the=
=20
station after <BR>construction. As soon as the snow melts and temperatures r=
ise=20
a bit the <BR>large vertical will be errected. My QTH can only be temporary=20=
so=20
we <BR>must find a permanent home ASAP.<BR><BR>73,=20
Steve<BR><BR>WA1HUD<BR><BR>President NEHRS, Inc.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: PROPAGATION WSPR</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>On&nbsp;LF &nbsp;I do not think wspr is t=
he=20
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  procedures are required with the mode. First it has to be detected then=20
  analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. Morse sent in the=20=
QRS=20
  mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot only requires one=20
  procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a good indication of=20
  propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I have pointed out recently that I have o=
bserved=20
  all of the traces from those transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been=20
  directly keyed in QRS mode an ID or intellegence would have been conveyed,=
=20
  whereas only part of the time was the signals decoded in wspr. For those=20
  viewing the print format only and getting no copy would never know whether=
 the=20
  signall was being received or if it was&nbsp;faulty sampling and decoding.=
=20
  </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Cut out the second procedure of decoding,=
 avoid=20
  ambiguity&nbsp;and use the slow keyed carried method using morse code or=20
  murray code. A waterfall display and the EYE is a very sensitive detector,=
=20
  </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>For those&nbsp;experimenting with data mo=
des have=20
  fun but&nbsp;todate in the&nbsp;amateur radio LF/MF context nothing yet ha=
s=20
  surpassed the use of&nbsp;slow morse keyed at a speed to suit one's needs=20=
ie=20
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Hello LF!
I have never seen "XGJ" so strong. The best time was between 06:00 - 07:15UT=
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Lubos, OK2BVG


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Hello LF!<br>I have never seen "XGJ" so strong. The best time was between 06=
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Chris,
It is hard to be perfect all the time, especially when relying on memory onl=
y, no speller checker, and no thesaurus guide. There will be the odd typing=20=
error as well. I suppose when you present yourself to the world you must exp=
ect some criticism.=20
Of course every sentence needs a verb, a subject and often an object, then t=
here are SIMPLE and COMPLEX sentences and so it goes on.
I suppose this discussion makes a change from Digi boxes and rust razor blad=
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Be careful though, you might upset someone, it's not difficult on here !!!!!=
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But Jim it is hardly rocket science contacting someone not far away using a 
system that takes up 1 khz of bandwidth in a 3 khz slot.
The modes used are only variants of those that have gone before.
There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not already 
taken place on MF. The area of adventure is the microwave spectrum where the 
sky and bandwidth are unlimited.
The original proposal and concept for 500 khz was to use telegraphy as 
defined in CAP and Marine publications and now issued by  OFCOM on behalf of 
H M Government.
Flexibility has been permitted in the use of data modes but not to the 
detriment of other users. Why not use these modes on 160 metres where there 
is more bandwidth available and less likelyhood of annoying other users on 
the band.
160m and 600m have similar propagation characteristics, plus the fact 
permitted power is higher, 400 watts in on segment of the band.
de G3KEV

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> Dear Pete, LF Group,
>
> M0FMT wrote:
>>Mal you've got my vote and probably the Vote of the silent majority on the
>>Band....
>
> This is presumably the same silent majority that complain about lack of
> activity. It would be nice if the majority was a little less silent, at
> least in the RF sense.
>
> Ofcom have granted the 500kHz NoVs for research purposes. We each had to
> make an application based on what sort of research we intended to do. In
> mine, among other things, I proposed to investigate the effectiveness of
> various different modes at MF, and the application was granted on this
> basis. I hope to get some results, either positive or negative, that will
> shed some light on this subject.
>
> In the meantime, arguments rage on, mostly people telling anyone who is
> doing anything on 500kHz that they shouldn't be doing it. This is not very
> constructive; if we expect Ofcom to extend the 500kHz deadline, and to
> entertain future requests for bandwidth, we collectively need to show that
> interesting things can be done with this type of allocation by amateurs.
> Most of the band is empty most of the time, so there is plenty of space 
> for
> more different kinds of activity according to different tastes and
> interests - there is no requirement to reach a universal consensus first.
>
> So if you are part of this Silent Majority who don't like the existing
> activity on 500k, get busy doing the things that you do like - and 
> persuade
> like-minded people to join in. It has to be better than ranting!
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>


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Andy.
You often agree with me you just do not realise it !!!!
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Oh dear, I have to agree with Mal for once.
I'm fully with you there on grammar and punctuation in modern usage.

I know of one teacher who refuses and returns any written work that
makes use of Text-ese.   It has made her unpopular with kids and some
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Andy  G4JNT
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2009/1/23 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Gary
> A shining example of what can be achieved especially by a disabled person 
> .
> It shows some radio amateurs up in a bad light!!!!!! on MF/LF some class A
> operators dont know a DIT from a DAH and I assume they are able bodied. It
> used to be that a class A amateur had an advantage over the general public
> by being able to converse in morse code, just like another language except
> it was totally international.
> Even a worse senario, a lot of persons today cannot write, the norm is to
> use a keypad and send text messages using some abbreviated gibbirish,
> grammar is not required, sort of pigeon english.
> G3KEV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary - G4WGT
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> Hi All,
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>
> Here is a video on the above subject at this link :-
>
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7843705.stm
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>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Gary – G4WGT.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
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> Extract from British national newspaper dated 22nd January 2009
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>
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> The Daily Telegraph   A British national newspaper.----22nd January 2009
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>
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> Quote—" A Pensioner who is almost completely paralysed has learned to
> communicate with her son by knocking out Morse code with her thumb.
>
> Alan Jones, a former BBC technician, has devised a system to allow his 79
> year-old mother to communicate using her knowledge of the code."
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Graham, LF,

OK all copied here at varying percentages.

MFSK8

CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20
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x'!etiwB Fa=F8oit"0i=FCTelt !cgne=CAW=A5 Dr gf ! la(  i:a =BEd=F5ie.Yp  a.t=
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i=B9a tyfbhttaq=3D  ih=C4iod  elmha n n E=A1tdi=A2nbeeue Ntotm=E2eNRxeca

PSK31

CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk

Olivia 8 x 250

CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbj<"g0nbd  kkk z34QU
@DK   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20
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g0nbd  g0nbd =20
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 CQ C1@#Q DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk H1R7Y

73

Gary - G4WGT.




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Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW
- 1615 HRS

Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in parallel

it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase=20
continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running on

the same pc in beacon mode

8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference signal=20
and is not expected to  print as reliably

All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..=20
about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in=20
level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are=20
resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.

Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels=20
producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised

Running  3 mode beacon

Dial set   502 khz usb

1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz

1250 hz   psk31

1500 hz  MFSK  8

Reports  welcome

Graham

G0NBD

Io83LK=20




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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:47:18 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> In answer to:
> >>>>Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW ERP
> >>>>from a large one.  

I was of course being facetious (sp?) with that statement....

ERP is ERP is ERP

Now.... Gary has just got across the pond, more than once, with a SMALL
antenna and 2mW ERP... just think what 2mW ERP froma BIG antenna would
have done ;-)

John


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Yes it is.   All freqs derived from the master OSC input with
dedicated PLLs.   BFO can be tuned in 10Hz steps  +/- 8000Hz.    Some
RA1792 radios have 1Hz RF tuning steps (not mine), but don't know if
the BFO does likewise on those models.

Can't lock the SDR-IQ yet as it needs a 66.66666MHz clock and haven't
yet got round to making a locked clock source for it.   Easiest
solution may be an Si570 device - need to investigate.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
> Andy,
>
> Is the bfo on the ra1792  synthesised ?  it is on my ra6790gm , but the
> trusty  ra1778 (I have to  say that or it  develop some obscure fault) has a
> free tune  1.4 mhz  bfo .so  no good for hyper stable data ! .. but phase
> locked 1.4 mhz cio .....or if you have a pilot tone you can lock onto that
> ... follows 80 mtr am nicely and resolves as ssb .. cheating i know !
>
> I tend to  announce,
> dial frequency,
> mode -usb
> software marker frequency  ..
>
> multipsk has a centre frequency mark which is handy ..!
>
> Hope the run was of intrest ,
>
> Graham ..
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:37 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>
>>
>> If you have a radio with adjustable CW mode like most SDRs, and the
>> RA1792, its easier to use CW mode.  Tune to the centre frequency of
>> interest, set the filter appropriately and the BFO to the decoders
>> preferred tone.
>>
>> For last nights listening, my SDR-IQ was set to CW mode, audio lower
>> freq 400Hz, upper freq 1600Hz, BFO 1000Hz
>>
>> (You can set arbitrary upper/lower linits on the SSB filter as well on
>> Spectravue), but guess who initially fell foul of seeing 503kHz
>> specified and assumed it meant the same as the JT65A freq the other
>> night.  So, on seeing the tones not where they 'should' have been and
>> re-reading the email post...
>>
>> Must get round to writing a WSPR PIC routine for the AD9852 DDS
>> similar to my existing JT65 beacons.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/3 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>>>
>>> Tx bandwidth  and out of band signals ,
>>>
>>> Well after picking up the toys from around the cot and tidying up  the
>>> baby
>>> finally  fell asleep ,silence finally ensued, a little familiarisation
>>> with
>>> the way the radio works may help, just because the  rx dial  displays a
>>> frequency out side the allocated band, doesn't actually mean the signal
>>> is
>>> out side the band .. its all to do  with filter shape factor  and the
>>> placement of the filter .... bit like dougle asking farther ted, are all
>>> the
>>> cows in the field the same size as his little plastic toy one... no
>>> dougle,
>>> this ones in your hand  and those are far away , right ted came the quick
>>> reply .from a still confused dougle .
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:54 PM
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq
>>>
>>>>
>>>> OM
>>>> Your transmission is outside the band limit, spreading to 504.6 khz.
>>>> I can see why OFCOM are concerned about stricter control concerning data
>>>> mode bandwidth.
>>>> g3kev
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:30 PM
>>>> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>>>>>
>>>>> centre frequency  503 khz
>>>>>
>>>>> tx mode usb
>>>>>
>>>>> power 30 watts tune signal
>>>>>
>>>>> Will send for next few hours
>>>>>
>>>>> Reports welcome
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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Andy,

Is the bfo on the ra1792  synthesised ?  it is on my ra6790gm , but the 
trusty  ra1778 (I have to  say that or it  develop some obscure fault) has a 
free tune  1.4 mhz  bfo .so  no good for hyper stable data ! .. but phase 
locked 1.4 mhz cio .....or if you have a pilot tone you can lock onto that 
... follows 80 mtr am nicely and resolves as ssb .. cheating i know !

I tend to  announce,
dial frequency,
mode -usb
software marker frequency  ..

multipsk has a centre frequency mark which is handy ..!

Hope the run was of intrest ,

Graham ..



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:37 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq

>
> If you have a radio with adjustable CW mode like most SDRs, and the
> RA1792, its easier to use CW mode.  Tune to the centre frequency of
> interest, set the filter appropriately and the BFO to the decoders
> preferred tone.
>
> For last nights listening, my SDR-IQ was set to CW mode, audio lower
> freq 400Hz, upper freq 1600Hz, BFO 1000Hz
>
> (You can set arbitrary upper/lower linits on the SSB filter as well on
> Spectravue), but guess who initially fell foul of seeing 503kHz
> specified and assumed it meant the same as the JT65A freq the other
> night.  So, on seeing the tones not where they 'should' have been and
> re-reading the email post...
>
> Must get round to writing a WSPR PIC routine for the AD9852 DDS
> similar to my existing JT65 beacons.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/3 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>> Tx bandwidth  and out of band signals ,
>>
>> Well after picking up the toys from around the cot and tidying up  the 
>> baby
>> finally  fell asleep ,silence finally ensued, a little familiarisation 
>> with
>> the way the radio works may help, just because the  rx dial  displays a
>> frequency out side the allocated band, doesn't actually mean the signal 
>> is
>> out side the band .. its all to do  with filter shape factor  and the
>> placement of the filter .... bit like dougle asking farther ted, are all 
>> the
>> cows in the field the same size as his little plastic toy one... no 
>> dougle,
>> this ones in your hand  and those are far away , right ted came the quick
>> reply .from a still confused dougle .
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:54 PM
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Subject: LF: Re: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq
>>
>>>
>>> OM
>>> Your transmission is outside the band limit, spreading to 504.6 khz.
>>> I can see why OFCOM are concerned about stricter control concerning data
>>> mode bandwidth.
>>> g3kev
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:30 PM
>>> Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon 503 khz cent freq
>>>
>>>
>>>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>>>>
>>>> centre frequency  503 khz
>>>>
>>>> tx mode usb
>>>>
>>>> power 30 watts tune signal
>>>>
>>>> Will send for next few hours
>>>>
>>>> Reports welcome
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1871 - Release Date: 
>>> 1/1/2009
>>> 5:01 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
>



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Hello Jim, LF,

this is interesting! Yesterday I did basically the same experiment using an audio filter, and saw no difference at all in decoding 
ability between full SSB bandwidth and a 250 Hz filter. I concluded (perhaps prematurely) that there is no blocking effect present.

Today I did another test by injecting an audio carrier from the Speclab generator within the WSPR search bandwidth. The "wanted 
signal" was F5WK signal at 1577 Hz with -57 dB below ADC fullscale, displaying -15 dB SNR at the time. I found that at a 1450 Hz 
carrier at -20 dBFS completely blocked decoding, even though the spectrogram traces of the WSPR signal and the carrier both looked 
perfect. Reducing the blocking carrier to -30 dBFS seemed to reduce Michel's SNR to -20 dB.

In hindsight, and with the information from Jim, I assume that the out-of-band interference levels in my first experiment simply 
have been too small to cause an effect. DCF39, the strongest daytime carrier, is attenuated by the SSB IF filter edge to about -34 
dBFS at originally 3330 Hz, which is then downconverted to 2830 Hz for the WSPR computer. So I now also believe that decoding might 
possibly be prevented by a 25 dB larger signal anywhere in the audio band.

I guess I will need to play more with this tomorrow.

Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:57 PM
Subject: LF: Re: WSPR does not work


Dear Andrey, LF Group,

Here is an observation that might be relevant, (or perhaps not!) to the
problem of WSPR displaying a clear spectrogram trace of a signal, but
failing to decode it. I noticed it while looking for OH1LSQ's QRSS earlier,
and have now checked a bit more carefully.

First, I changed the BW from 250Hz to 2.4kHz so that I would be able to see
OH1SQ at 800Hz audio frequency (carrier frequency set to 136.000k) using
Spectrum Lab, and at the same time decode F5WK at around 1500Hz audio. This
required reducing RF/IF gain to prevent overloading by the DCF39 carrier at
2.83kHz audio. I could then see OH1LSQ OK, but although there was a good
trace from F5WK in WSPR, no decoding occured. (Changing the gain does not
alter the spectrogram appearance much, so presumably it is displaying SNR
rather than absolute signal level. ).

Reducing the bandwidth to 250Hz, with the gain still reduced, restored
normal decoding.

Increasing the bandwidth to 2.4kHz again, adjusting the passband shift
control, and changing the loop orientation to reduce DCF39 and Lakihegy to a
minimum while maintaining F5WK's signal, with the gain still reduced, also
gave normal decoding, although there was now assorted additional noise in
the passband.

It seems to me most likely that the failure to decode was due to the
presence of the strong tone at high audio frequency from DCF39, although
this tone was outside the WSPR frequency range, and not saturating the sound
card A/D converter or overloading the analogue RX channel.

So if there are other tones in your RX passband while receiving WSPR, it
appears they may prevent decoding occuring, even though a good signal is
displayed on the WSPR spectrogram.

This seems to be a reproducible case where a strong WSPR signal does not
decode on a receiving system that is known to work well. If others can
reproduce this, it may be worth contacting K1JT to see if he is aware of
this or can shed light on the matter.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU





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Sorry Hajo
=C2=A0
Looks like the Gibraltar trip ended with a Fleming diode (an enevelope detec=
tor)=C2=A0not a Coherer. But they do have useful range, with a whopping ante=
nna though.
=C2=A0
73 petefmt

--- On Tue, 6/1/09, M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 11:59 PM







Hi Hajo and LF
=C2=A0
But you still have the issue of Hi Impedance headphones. A Coherer allows yo=
u to switch a light or buzzer on and off. They are amazing in free state the=
y have a very high DC resistance (virtually open circuit)=C2=A0and once they=
 cohere it is virtually a dead short. But may be not as sensitive as a rusty=
 nail detector!=20
=C2=A0
There is a report of UK to Gibraltar using a 2.5kW Sparker on 350m and the R=
X being a Coherer. Not bad for Mechanical Radio!
=C2=A0
73 petefmt=C2=A0

--- On Tue, 6/1/09, hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de <hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-onlin=
e.de> wrote:

From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de <hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 11:42 PM


=C2=A0No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz.

73 DJ1ZB


=C2=A0"M0FMT" <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb:=20





Hi Mal and LF
=C2=A0
I am disapointed in you Mal to be=C2=A0considering an envelope detector. A t=
rue CW man, I would have thought,=C2=A0should only entertain the use of a Co=
here detector!
=C2=A0
Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a range 136=
kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a much la=
ger range of frequencies but not tested by me.
=C2=A0
http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm
=C2=A0
73 pefmt


=C2=A0


--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM





Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info from the web=
.
g3kev
=C2=A0

----- Original Message -----=20
From: riese-k3djc@juno.com=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


310113517964=C2=A0=C2=A0 E bay too
=C2=A0
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wri=
tes:

Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have had se=
veral requests for a circuit. To give=C2=A0others the opportunity=C2=A0to su=
bmit a cct I will await replies. This method=C2=A0was used successfully =C2=
=A0at Coldiz=C2=A0and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to MF/LF=20=
since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.
Build one and have a QSO using this RX
g3kev
=C2=A0
=C2=A0

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op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Sorry Hajo</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Looks like the Gibraltar trip ended with a Fleming diode (an enevelope=20=
detector)&nbsp;not a Coherer. But they do have useful range, with a whopping=
 antenna though.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, M0FMT <I>&lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk=
&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: M0FMT &lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: L=
F: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>=
Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 11:59 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Hi <SPAN>Hajo</SPAN> and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>But you still have the issue of Hi Impedance headphones. A Coherer allo=
ws you to switch a light or buzzer on and off. They are amazing in free stat=
e they have a very high DC resistance (virtually open circuit)&nbsp;and once=
 they cohere it is virtually a dead short. But may be not as sensitive as a=20=
rusty nail detector! </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>There is a report of UK to Gibraltar using a 2.5kW S<SPAN>parker</SPAN>=
 on 350m and the RX being a Coherer. Not bad for Mechanical Radio!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 petefmt&nbsp;<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-onli=
ne.de <I>&lt;hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de &lt;hajo.brandt.dj1=
zb@t-online.de&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?<BR>=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 11:42 PM=
<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv937260577><FONT face=3D"Times&#13;&#10;New&#13;&#10;Roman" colo=
r=3D#000000 size=3D3>&nbsp;No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz=
.<BR><BR>73 DJ1ZB<BR><BR><BR></FONT>&nbsp;"M0FMT" &lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt;=20=
schrieb:=20
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<DIV>Hi Mal and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am disapointed in you Mal to be&nbsp;considering an envelope detector=
. A true CW man, I would have thought,&nbsp;should only entertain the use of=
 a Cohere detector!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a rang=
e 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a mu=
ch lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm" target=3D_blan=
k rel=3Dnofollow>http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 pefmt</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <I>&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.ne=
t&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Sub=
ject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Tu=
esday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv592381029>
<STYLE></STYLE>

<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone co=
nstruction. Not info from the web.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=
=3Driese-k3djc@juno.com href=3D"mailto:riese-k3djc@juno.com" target=3D_blank=
 rel=3Dnofollow>riese-k3djc@juno.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D_blank rel=3Dno=
follow>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58=20=
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Razor blade RX</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:=
g3kevmal@talktalk.net" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>g3kevmal@talktalk.net<=
/A>&gt; writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px; BORDER=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence w=
ire RX a while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give&nbsp;=
others the opportunity&nbsp;to submit a cct I will await replies. This metho=
d&nbsp;was used successfully &nbsp;at Coldiz&nbsp;and other POW camps to rec=
eive BBC broadcasts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let us know how you would approach the subj=
ect. This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were recei=
cved on these bands.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Build one and have a QSO using this RX</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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 From what I remember, many modern blades will not work very well due to being alloys resistant to "rusting". The blade needs to develop a good coating of corrosion products and it seems not to matter whether this is achieved by natural oxidation by exposure to atmosphere or by encouragement by rubbing with salt. I believe the "fence wire" was used as antenna and together with an"earth/ground" achieved an aperiodic circuit. The audio was produced via a telephone earpiece. More sophisticated circuits were built using wound inductances and variable capacitors - either home-brew or purloined/traded. Otherwise "tuning" of the BBC was achieved by listenig at the appropriate time of day for suitable propogation. It is worth remembering that the guys who were doing this came from a generation who were more than used to creating radio in such simple ways and often driven to "clandestine" methods by restrictions placed on them at boarding schools. I can certainly remember constructing such a "Xtal" set at boarding school in 1954/55 using a coil from REPANCO of Coventry, a "postage stamp" trimmer, an unbranded "xtal diode" (early germanium point contact) and an earpiece which was one half of an ex-military headset. The rx was built into a very small wooden box little larger than a matchbox and after "lights-out" the antenna/earth connections were achieved by connection to bed springs and the hot water pipe that ran the length of the dormitory.? 


 It would be interesting to hear the experiences of other "old fogeys".

Incidentally, eperiments included substituting a baked bean can for the earpiece diaphragm in an attempt to let more of my friends listen to the BBC Light Programme!

And to think that from such are radio amateurs born!

73 de Pat G4GVW


 

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Subject: LF: Razor blade RX
















Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a 
while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give?others the 
opportunity?to submit a cct I will await replies. This method?was used 
successfully ?at Coldiz?and other POW camps to receive BBC 
broadcasts.


Let us know how you would approach the subject. 
This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on 
these bands.


Build one and have a QSO using this RX


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<div> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">From what I remember, many modern blades will not work very well due to being alloys resistant to "rusting". The blade needs to develop a good coating of corrosion products and it seems not to matter whether this is achieved by natural oxidation by exposure to atmosphere or by encouragement by rubbing with salt. I believe the "fence wire" was used as antenna and together with an"earth/ground" achieved an aperiodic circuit. The audio was produced via a telephone earpiece. More sophisticated circuits were built using wound inductances and variable capacitors - either home-brew or purloined/traded. Otherwise "tuning" of the BBC was achieved by listenig at the appropriate time of day for suitable propogation. It is worth remembering that the guys who were doing this came from a generation who were more than used to creating radio in such simple ways and often driven to "clandestine" methods by restrictions placed on them at boarding schools. I can certainly remember constructing such a "Xtal" set at boarding school in 1954/55 using a coil from REPANCO of Coventry, a "postage stamp" trimmer, an unbranded "xtal diode" (early germanium point contact) and an earpiece which was one half of an ex-military headset. The rx was built into a very small wooden box little larger than a matchbox and after "lights-out" the antenna/earth connections were achieved by connection to bed springs and the hot water pipe that ran the length of the dormitory.&nbsp; </font><br>
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<div> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">It would be interesting to hear the experiences of other "old fogeys".<br>
<br>
Incidentally, eperiments included substituting a baked bean can for the earpiece diaphragm in an attempt to let more of my friends listen to the BBC Light Programme!<br>
<br>
And to think that from such are radio amateurs born!<br>
<br>
73 de Pat G4GVW<br>
</font></div>

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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a 
while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give&nbsp;others the 
opportunity&nbsp;to submit a cct I will await replies. This method&nbsp;was used 
successfully &nbsp;at Coldiz&nbsp;and other POW camps to receive BBC 
broadcasts.</font></div>


<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Let us know how you would approach the subject. 
This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on 
these bands.</font></div>


<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Build one and have a QSO using this RX</font></div>


<div><font size="2" face="Arial">g3kev</font></div>


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DF6NM on DFCW on 136.8 on top of OH1LSQ causing qrm
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> Hello,
>
> who is in DFCW around 136.307 - 136.308?
> I see DF6NM vy strong at .309, and RA3YO with a weak signal and QSB
> at 136311.2 - 136311.3 Hz.
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> RA3YO uses long intervals between dots... a very long message!
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> Then, I have a steady carrier with QSB at 136.310 - local or DX?
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Graham, LF,

 

Thanks for "Flying The Flag" for me.

 

I am very pleased to say the least that the transverter worked & that my
idea using the TS-440 to compliment the set also worked. Just need to iron
out a few wrinkles but making good progress now.

 

I would also like to thank Graham (G0NBD) for his help & advice during the
construction of my project.

 

I will in due course continue the documentation of my project on the
UK500KHZ web site :-

 

http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz

 

Good luck to others who venture on the road to linearity.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

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First Linear data qso  G4WGT / G0NBD

 

Congratulations are in order ! 

 

Gary has successfully tested his home made HF to 500 Tx converter and 500 to
HF Rx converter this evening, utilising a TS440 as the primary driver and
the TS440 power amplifier , producing 20 watts on 500 Khz 

 

A good steady signal using PSK31 was received by myself  during a short
exchange of reports on 503.6 Khz . 

 

This now raises the number of station capable of transmitting all modes on
500 to  three, notably each station deploying differing approaches.

 

G0NBD           Refurbished Military and Marine 

M0BMU          His own design Linear  class E system

G4WGT           Classic linear HF/MF  home made transverter

 

G .. 


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for &#8220;Flying The Flag&#8221; for me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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very pleased to say the least that the transverter worked &amp; that my idea
using the TS-440 to compliment the set also worked. Just need to iron out a=20=
few
wrinkles but making good progress now.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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also like to thank Graham (G0NBD) for his help &amp; advice during the
construction of my project.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I will
in due course continue the documentation of my project on the UK500KHZ web s=
ite
:-<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><a href=
=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz">http://groups.google.com/group/=
uk500khz</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Good
luck to others who venture on the road to linearity.<o:p></o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Gary -
G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
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0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
me>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Graham<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 15 January 2009 23:08<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"o=
n">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: First Linear dat=
a qso
G4WGT / G0NBD</span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>First Linear data qso&nbsp; G4WGT / G0NBD<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>Congratulations are in order ! <o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>Gary has successfully tested his home made HF to 500 Tx c=
onverter and
500 to HF Rx converter this evening, utilising a TS440 as the primary driver
and the TS440 power amplifier , producing 20 watts on 500 Khz <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>A good steady signal using PSK31 was received by myself&n=
bsp; during a
short exchange of reports on 503.6 Khz . <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>This now raises the number of station capable of transmit=
ting all modes
on 500 to&nbsp; three, notably each station deploying differing approaches.<=
o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>G0NBD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; Refurbished
Military and Marine <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>M0BMU&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; His own
design Linear&nbsp; class E system<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>G4WGT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; Classic
linear HF/MF&nbsp; home made transverter<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>G .. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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Hi Jean-Pierre,

No personal mail received yet ...
What I tried to send you is this info about the frequency offset in your 
spectogram configuration:

 >Did you mean
(a) the frequency offset for the spectrogram display,
or (b) the frequency shifter in the FFT filter ?

If it's (a) - see attachment. I simply entered "128k" in the "Offs" 
field in the main window. After 2 seconds, the frequency scale changes, 
and the offset is added.
The "k" suffix means kHz here, it's the same as entering "128000" for 
lazy people like myself.

Of course this does not affect the processing, only the display. The 
modified configuration is attached.   (well, *was* attached)
<

Hope the others don't mind this being sent through the reflector. My 
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73,
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Graham, LF,

 

Getting decodes in all 3 modes, of course not a great distance but thought
you would like a report.

 

Cheers,

 

Gary - G4WGT

 

  _____  

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 10 January 2009 16:53
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: 502 khz usb Dominof olivia 8x250 now till late 

 

 

Running  data mode , DominoF and olivia  8x250  , wspr 

power about 20  watts per mode ..tx set started  1630

 

502 khz - usb

 

using  two multipsk in beacon mode , frequencies  centre marker , wspr tone
1550 hz 

 

Dominof    1300 hz

olivia        900 hz

wspr         1550 hz (33% tx)

 

Never used the Domino system , looks to be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250 

same 3 lines of text for each.

 

Due to  tr switching problems , no rx 

 

Graham

G0NBD

IO83LK 

 

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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like a report.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 10 January 2009 16:53<b=
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"o=
n">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: 502 khz usb Domi=
nof
olivia 8x250 now till late </span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Running&nbsp; data mode=
 , DominoF and
olivia&nbsp; 8x250&nbsp; , wspr </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack f=
ace=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'=
><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>power about 20&nbsp; wa=
tts per mode ..tx
set started&nbsp; 1630</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTaho=
ma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><o:p></o:=
p></span></font></p>

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=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></spa=
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=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>502 khz - usb</span></f=
ont><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:Tahoma; color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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n></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>using&nbsp; two multips=
k in beacon mode ,
frequencies&nbsp; centre marker , wspr tone 1550 hz </span></font><font size=
=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:Tahoma; color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Dominof&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;1300 hz</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; color:black'><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>olivia&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;900
hz</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p=
>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>wspr&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1550
hz (33% tx)</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
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n></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Never used the Domino s=
ystem , looks to
be x2 faster than olivia 8 x 250 </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack=20=
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black=
'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>same 3 lines of text fo=
r each.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></fo=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Due to&nbsp; tr switchi=
ng problems , no
rx </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'f=
ont-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
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=20
Im quizzed about my RF environement and what I can see from here - Ive just=20=
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rest....
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The Russian Alphas are pretty strong and not suprisingly the LW bcst station=
s are pretty good during the day - Mongolia on 164kHz around 1300kHz is clea=
r but wide with some audio spurii.. The noise floor aint that bad now, but I=
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Im quizzed about my RF environement and what I can see from here - Ive just=20=
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&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
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The Russian Alphas are pretty strong and not suprisingly the LW bcst station=
s are pretty good during the day - Mongolia on 164kHz around 1300kHz is clea=
r but wide with some audio spurii.. The noise floor aint that bad now, but I=
m favored with a metaled frame building with an extensive lightning protecti=
on system which acts as a cage (my probe outer coax is tied to it...) and th=
ere is now very little leakage out of the internals of the &nbsp;building an=
d up to the roof where the probe is.<BR>
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Dear Mark, LF Group,

Thanks for the reports -

> Interestingly  sometimes I am seeing an extra faint trace from Jim, almost 
> exactly 100Hz up and it even decoded on one over. It is much weaker (at 
> least 15dB down). An alias / mixing product on my system? or is anyone 
> else seeing this?
> I am not seeing any extra signals on the DI2AM beacon, which is  on 
> average 10dB stronger than Jim

I thought there might be some problem with mains ripple somewhere in the TX 
system, but I just checked the TX signal on the antenna feeder here, and the 
100Hz sidebands are about -50dB WRT the carrier, which is not abnormally 
high - I would be very suprised if you could actually detect sidebands at 
that level from your QTH. Can anyone else see the sidebands?

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Greetings again all:

I had high hopes for reception of the WSPR signals, however it
just didn't make it. I listened from 22:00 utc till 04:00 utc, 
Maybe another time ! 73; and enjoy yourselves in the hobby.


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN.
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 184.322 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35* 43' 54" - W:  84* 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr


--- On Wed, 1/7/09, James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> From: James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR Beacon 503.5 tonight
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 5:36 PM
> Dear Graham, Andy, LF Group,
> 
> Now copying G0NDB on 503.548 according to the WSPR decode
> window. Graham's signal is about S3 here.
> 
> I intend to have the beacon running overnight with the same
> settings, so let's hope for the best!
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU


      


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Hello LFers,

Is the default setting for the two slider controls above where
you enter your frequencies OK?  What exactly do they do?
Thanks in advance from someone still learning the ropes.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle




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On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:08:45 -0500
<jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:

> WE2XGR/2 will be in WSPR mode tonight starting 2030Z 

PS - I have the grabber uploading at 5 minute intervals showing the
range 508.000 - 509.000

http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/gm4slv_500.jpg

Cheers,

John


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Hi Dave, Henny and LF group,

Thanks for the fine capture, Henny.  With a bit of imagination, a complete
callsign can be resolved.

Dave, the TX comprises an F1AFJ synthesier with an output of 6 MHz
buffered with a G3NYK BJT stage to a CMOS 4020 divide by 32 and keyed
using the reset line with a diode matrix ID'er set at ~QRSS75.  The 
184.5093 square wave from the 4020 is fed to the gate of an IRF630
of a Class E amp (Thanks to Alan's spreadsheet design).  The output
is 10 watts.  This goes to a pair of pie wound litz coils (~0.9 mH)
whose separation is adjusted to tune a 100m wire at about 10m high.
Matching is achieved using an autotransformer, although the
resistive component appears to be close to 50 ohms. The aerial current
is about 0.5 amps.

73
Joe

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, dave.riley3 wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
> Can you give us your TX details again?
>
> TNX
>
> Dave @ WD2XSH/17
>
>
>
>


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Thank you Victor!
-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
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                WE2XGR/1


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> 73
>
> Victor


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Hi Jim and LF,

I hadn't expected this to be so easy! And it's fun to see the immediate feedback on the database. Thanks very much to NL9222, F5WK, 
M0BMU, DL4YHF, F4DTL, IK5ODO, F4EMV and G4WGT for sending your reports.

I normally run about 200 W RF and 3.6 amps antenna current, but for the last two hours, I had set back the power supply to 75 W 
giving  2.2 amps. Antenna efficiency is on the order of 0.2 %. Transmit operation here also depends very much on favourable 
weather...

Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM



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Hello LF!
Does anybody know something about lines on the picture? They appear every da=
y after sunset and disappear with sunrise. They are very stable and on the a=
ccurate frequency. I know lines from Loran-C, but these lines are another el=
se, I think.=20

Thanks!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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Hello LF!<br>Does anybody know something about lines on the picture? They ap=
pear every day after sunset and disappear with sunrise. They are very stable=
 and on the accurate frequency. I know lines from Loran-C, but these lines a=
re another else, I think. <br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS<br><b=
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:56:11 -0500
<jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:

> WE2XGR/2 will be transmitting in WSPR mode tonight starting 2200Z on
> a dial frequency of 507.000 kHz.
> 
> Reports are appreciated.
> 

22:00 -19dB 

My first T/A WSPR reception on 500kHz!

Cheers,

John
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Some spectrum plots of the WSPR signal can be seen at

   http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr-spectra/

These were generated at 1500Hz using WSPR.EXE, directly converted to
RF and fed via an attenuator to an SDR-IQ for measuring and displaying
the spectrum.

If we use the widely accepted -40dBc criteria for adjacent channel
spurii, then it is clear the transmission can be centred at up to 10Hz
below the upper band edge.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/26 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>
> Are we to  adopt  502.400 Hz  USB dial frequency for WSPR ?
> With  1500 Hz audio centre band tone.
>
> RF mid band   carrier frequency of  503.900 Hz ?
>
> With 6 hz modulation and phase continues  tone side bands and
> guard band are  not a issue, the band edge is protected?
>
> 504KHz  and its sidebands are actually  x2 of the fundamental
> so  should not present a problem as the 200 Hz slot is in a
> close in, dead zone, there amplitude increasing lower into the band,
> one of the reasons qrss and range testing takes place in this
> 'noisy' zone.
>
> I will add a  note to  the uk500khz group and links in others  with details
> if
> acceptable to widen the reporting base.
>
> Tnx-
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:21:29 -0000
"Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Thanks John,
> 
> Its printing ok off air locally , but I am seeing some 'hash' at
> about -40 db

Okay Graham,

I see others reporting inconsistent decodes of you on the chat page at
WSPRnet, so it's not just me.

The last few have been okay, and weaker. I'm having no trouble with
Jim's +5dB signal, so absolute strength doesn't seem to be the problem,
but your sig is certainly easier when it's weaker, which is
counterintuitive!

Off to bed now, will leave RX running, spots to WSPRnet.

GN
John


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Hi John, LF,

You wrote :-
>>>>Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW ERP from a
large one.

The main criteria here is that 5 watts to a large antenna would produce a
higher ERP than from a small antenna so therefore the 5 watts would go
farther.

Question - would 2mW ERP from a large antenna go farther than 2mW from a
small antenna to the same extent as the 5 watts to the different antennas?

Gary - G4WGT.

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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:24:23 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> When I make the calculation I will insert the correct figure.
>
Hello Gary, LF,

I'm getting a fairly reliable signal from you, with just enough QSB to
dip under the decoding margin from time to time.

As to power reporting, I see that most people on LF/MF are attempting
to estimate ERP, and use this figure in the beacon data.

There was much discussion on the WSPR forum on the merits or otherwise
of this approach, in the HF sphere at least.

It might be easier if we adopted the same approach as is recommended
for HF use - to report the actual TX power, not ERP.

I see your last beacon is reporting 3dBm! Wow... that really is "flea
power". Of course 2mW ERP from a small antenna won't go as far as 2mW
ERP from a large one.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV 



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if (windy)
  use_a_kite();
else
  use_a_balloon();

73
Johan SM6LKM

----

John P-G wrote:
> To go much higher I'd need to excavate holes and form some concrete
> blocks for holding guying points, and another for the mast base, and
> then I might get 15-20m or so, in scaffold pole. A tower is out of the
> question, for expense and visual impact.



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Have set up to monitor 136K WSPR using 1200' longwire orientated E/W here in 
FN85ki Nova Scotia Canada.

Will leave it on for a few days...not sure if reception is possible...you just 
never know :-)

Best regards,

Vernon - VE1VDM
Greenfield NS
Canada



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137 kHz EU stations

There are probably at least a few stations in the US (including me!) that have been and are still 
interested in receiving your signals. Unfortunately, all EU stations seem to have moved their 
transmitters into the US transmitting window at 137778 kHz. When US stations are transmitting (which 
is often) this prevents any chance for reception of EU stations at many receiving locations.

Looking back at T/A captures from years past I see that the EU transmitting window was previously 
centered on 136318 kHz. This provided adequate frequency separation and I was successful at 
receiving stations with even modest setups. I wonder how this frequency change came about and 
whether EU stations would consider going back to their old transmitting window. Thoughts?

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/1

(blind toward EU on 137 kHz...)




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Tnx Jay
Your signal good at 2257utc OOO copy have pic
73 gn de mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 11:16 PM
  Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


  Mal

  Nothing at all so far. Have to leave in another 15 minutes...sorry...

  Jay

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: mal hamilton=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20 PM
    Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


    Jay
    Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qsb, first seen 2207 then gap and a=
gn 2214 utc
    It looks ok so far.
    mal
    g3kev

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
      Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:09 PM
      Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: MF CONDX


      Mal

      If you can operate duplex like last time perhaps you should begin tran=
smitting at 2200Z and I'll break in when I see your signal. You had better c=
opy on my signal last time. Unfortunately I can only hang around until 2330Z=
 tonight. Frequencies are as you stated in your previous e mail.=20

      Jay



        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: mal hamilton=20
        To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
        Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:21 PM
        Subject: LF: Re: Re: MF CONDX


        Jay
        Sunset ur end  could be a good start time. I can work Russians sunse=
t and before fm here across as far as UA9 es UA0 and ZL.

        73 mal/g3kev

          ----- Original Message -----=20
          From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
          To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
          Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:21 PM
          Subject: LF: Re: MF CONDX


          Mal

          Antenna is back up in the air here...but we're expecting a snow st=
orm starting mid afternoon running through tomorrow morning. Suspect static=20=
levels will be high but will be happy to take a look...if you care to transm=
it at a specific time.

          Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
            ----- Original Message -----=20
            From: mal hamilton=20
            To: rsgb=20
            Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:46 AM
            Subject: LF: MF CONDX


            MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone=
 available this week end.
            Temp minus 3 today so far antenna ok

            mal/g3kev



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tnx Jay</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your signal good at 2257utc OOO copy have=20
pic</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 gn de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Djrusgrove@comcast.net     href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@comcast.net"=
>jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2009 11=
:16=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF=
=20
  CONDX</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nothing at all so far. Have to leave in a=
nother=20
  15 minutes...sorry...</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV       style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: b=
lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">m=
al=20
    hamilton</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2009=20=
5:20=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF=20
    CONDX</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ur sig trace nw visible but hit with qs=
b, first=20
    seen 2207 then gap and agn 2214 utc</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It looks ok so far.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
      <DIV         style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-colo=
r: black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Djrusgrove@comcast.net         href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@comc=
ast.net">jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A         title=3Drsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org         href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rs=
gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 200=
9 9:09=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: Re: MF=20
      CONDX</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you can operate duplex like last t=
ime=20
      perhaps you should begin transmitting at 2200Z and I'll break in when=20=
I=20
      see your signal. You had&nbsp;better copy on my signal last time.=20
      Unfortunately I can only hang around until 2330Z tonight. Frequencies=20=
are=20
      as you stated in your previous e mail. </FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr         style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEF=
T: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=
>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
        <DIV           style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-=
color: black"><B>From:</B>=20
        <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.ne=
t">mal=20
        hamilton</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A           title=3Drsgb=
_lf_group@blacksheep.org           href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o=
rg">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
        </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2=
009=20
        1:21 PM</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: Re: MF CONDX=
</DIV>
        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sunset ur end&nbsp; could be a good=
 start=20
        time. I can work Russians sunset and before fm here across as far as=
 UA9=20
        es UA0 and ZL.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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          <DIV             style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; f=
ont-color: black"><B>From:</B>=20
          <A title=3Djrusgrove@comcast.net             href=3D"mailto:jrusgr=
ove@comcast.net">jrusgrove@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A             title=
=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org             href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@bla=
cksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
          </DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10,=
 2009=20
          3:21 PM</DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: MF CONDX</=
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          <DIV><BR></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antenna is back up in the air her=
e...but=20
          we're expecting a snow storm starting mid afternoon running throug=
h=20
          tomorrow morning. Suspect static levels will be high but will be h=
appy=20
          to take a look...if you care to transmit at a specific=20
          time.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp;=20
          WE2XGR/2</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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IV>
            <DIV               style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt aria=
l; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>=20
            <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net               href=3D"mailto:g3=
kevmal@talktalk.net">mal hamilton</A> </DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A               titl=
e=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org               href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@=
blacksheep.org">rsgb</A> </DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 1=
0,=20
            2009 9:46 AM</DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: MF CONDX</DI=
V>
            <DIV><BR></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MF condx vy good at present. No=
w is the=20
            time for TR&nbsp;QSO'S anyone available this week end.</FONT></D=
IV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Temp minus 3 today so far anten=
na=20
            ok</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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John, G0API, has been monitoring my QRP WSPR beacon most of the afternoon,
and getting the occasional decode at a S/N of -19dB, ie quite good.
However, he only manages a decode about one time in 10, randomly.  The
frequency is usually reported as ....855 instead of the ...870 it should be,
although once in a while, it reports 870 and gives a proper decode.   So it
looks as if he may have some sort of intermitetnt fault that affects
sampling rate.

After thinking about the problem with G0NBD's signal recently, I tried
breaking my transmission, sending just the first 30 seconds, the first
minute etc and seem to have hit on some success.

In both cases, where I sent the first 45 seonds and 1 minute, it  decoded
correctly at his end, albeit still a reported frequency of ...855.   So, I'm
assuming John has as soundcard sampling rate error, and have now sent him
away to inject an accurate 1500Hz tone as see what the WSPR software's own
spectum display reports it as.   If the sampling rate is as far away as the
870/855Hz errors suggest, it sould be around 1% out.

Curiouser and curiouser...

I see signal strength at M0BMU has hardly altered as we've gone from day to
night.   No D-Layer artefacts over a 120km path ?

Andy  G4JNT
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<div>John, G0API, has been monitoring my QRP WSPR beacon most of the afterno=
on, and getting the occasional decode at a S/N of -19dB, ie quite good.</div=
>
<div>However, he only manages a decode about one time in 10, randomly.&nbsp;=
&nbsp;The frequency is usually reported as ....855 instead of the ...870 it=20=
should be, although&nbsp;once in a while, it reports 870 and gives a proper=20=
decode.&nbsp;&nbsp; So it looks as if he may have some sort of intermitetnt=20=
fault that affects sampling rate.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>After thinking about the problem with G0NBD&#39;s&nbsp;signal recently,=
 I tried breaking my transmission, sending just the first 30 seconds, the fi=
rst minute etc and seem to have hit on some success.&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>In both cases, where I sent the first 45 seonds and 1 minute, it&nbsp;&=
nbsp;decoded correctly at his end, albeit still&nbsp;a reported&nbsp;frequen=
cy of ...855.&nbsp;&nbsp; So, I&#39;m assuming John has as soundcard samplin=
g rate error, and have now sent him away to inject an accurate&nbsp;1500Hz t=
one as see what the WSPR software&#39;s own spectum display reports it as.&n=
bsp;&nbsp; If the sampling rate is as far away as the 870/855Hz errors sugge=
st, it sould be around 1% out.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Curiouser and curiouser...</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I&nbsp;see signal strength at M0BMU has hardly altered as we&#39;ve gon=
e from day to night.&nbsp;&nbsp; No D-Layer artefacts over a 120km path ?</d=
iv>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com">=
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Victor,
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Hi Joe
capture vo1na
73s
henny cpm
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
vo1na 30-01.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Joe</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture vo1na</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>henny cpm</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het 
volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:<BR>vo1na 
30-01.jpg<BR><BR>Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging 
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Hi Warren,
capture xgj
Henny pa3cpm
73s
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XGJ 28-01.jpg

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Warren,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture xgj</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73s</FONT></DIV>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende 
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Wolfgang B=C3=BCscher wrote:

>
>> =20
>
> I do confirm that there is a blocking effect in the WSPR decoder, but=20
> I am not really sure about the details...
> ......
> But drawing any conclusion may be premature - some neighbour may=20
> simply have switched off his local QRM generator.
> My impression is that some processing stages within the WSPR decoder=20
> lack dynamic range, or the FFT has significant leakage, or some part=20
> of the calculation is done with short integer values (instead of=20
> double precision floating point values). The decoder is open source,=20
> but lacking any knowledge of the Fortran programming language, I won't=20
> try to understand the algorithms.
> .......
> 73,
>  Wolf DL4YHF  ...-.-
>
>
Hi Wolfgang, LF
i also can confirm some sort of the "blocking" effect but indeed it is=20
to early to draw serious conclusions .  when i red your mail and you=20
mentioned about the FFT
as a  "side product"  of the ongoing discussion i just  realized why=20
wspr is using  this , say, strange,  12000 Hz sampling rate ( there was=20
also some fuss about this
particular sampling rate due to its non-integer downconverting from=20
hardware established 44100 Hz and therefore  - it is guessing - causing=20
some problems with decoding  the signal properly) . the wspr is using=20
bin size of FFT =3D8192.  In other words , the 162 data  bits are audio=20
sampled 8192 times each and therefore when using 12000 Hz sampling rate=20
the wspr transmission lasts  162*8192/12000  =3D 110.59 seconds  - less =20
than  2 minutes  - it composes nicely into 2 minutes periods of TX/RX=20
etc.. providing also a room for time adjustments  t/r switching  quick=20
decisions  what  # of tx message  to pick up when being in the wsjt/qso=20
mode ..
if  the 11025 sampling rate was used than we have 162*8192/11025 =3D=20
120.37 seconds   i.e. JUST OVER 2 minutes period   with  all the=20
'consequences'  ...

                                                                           =20=
             =20
73, peter, sq7mpj
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Am I on the right track.??.

Short of downloading the WSPR software, this is what I see tonight near 
503.500...

SpectraVue http://www.radiocom.net/600M/WSPR503500.bmp

And on ARGO QRSS3 a few hertz below 503.5 = 
http://www.radiocom.net/600M/WSPR00000.jpg

Looks louder and cleaner on QRSS10

Lots of QRN tonight...

Or is it just a birdy??


TNX

Dave @ WD2XSH/17  ( in the colonies )



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>
>> Shouldn't they be marked as such by the program ? I have seen in the past 
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>> received by WSPR with the tag (bad msg)...  but maybe it catches only 
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 Hi Roelof,

While I am prepared to concede that dyslexia may be the cause of the examples I quote, it does not excuse the misuse of the language.

As an illustration the sentences "I have taken their money."? and "I have taken there, money." have entirely different meanings (ignore the comma) in spoken English and in modern useage, where punctuation seems to be "optional", written English may be equally ambiguous.

The ability to produce reports that are definitive and accurate may be vital to many roles.

73 de Pat G4GVW? 


 


 

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Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:27
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Hello All,?
?

This are fine examples of dyslexia, a far more common problem than generally known.?

It has nothing do to with intelligence as such, as some of the most gifted persons on earth "suffered" from it.?

One example that springs to my mind was Winston Churchill.?
?

Text control won't help much as "there" and their" are genuine English words.?
?

Reading and writing is a skill just like walking.?

You won't judge someone's intelligence by the way he walks, won't you!?
?

Best regards,?

Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt?
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(And yes, dyslexia is part of my daytime job!)?
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<div> Hi Roelof,<br>
<br>
<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">While I am prepared to concede that dyslexia may be the cause of the examples I quote, it does not excuse the misuse of the language.<br>
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As an illustration the sentences "<i><b>I have taken their money</b></i>."<i><b>&nbsp; </b></i>and "<i><b>I have taken there, money." </b></i>have entirely different meanings (ignore the comma) in spoken English and in modern useage, where punctuation seems to be "optional", written English may be equally ambiguous.<br>
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The ability to produce reports that are definitive and accurate may be vital to many roles.<br>
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73 de Pat G4GVW&nbsp;<i><b> </b></i><br>
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Hello All,&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

This are fine examples of dyslexia, a far more common problem than generally known.&nbsp;<br>

It has nothing do to with intelligence as such, as some of the most gifted persons on earth "suffered" from it.&nbsp;<br>

One example that springs to my mind was Winston Churchill.&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

Text control won't help much as "there" and their" are genuine English words.&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

Reading and writing is a skill just like walking.&nbsp;<br>

You won't judge someone's intelligence by the way he walks, won't you!&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>

Best regards,&nbsp;<br>

Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt&nbsp;<br>
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(And yes, dyslexia is part of my daytime job!)&nbsp;<br>
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Message, timing calibration, DDS frequency/shift, TX probability and GPS baud
rate (NMEA) is programmable via the UART (ASCII) and saved in EEPROM. Output is
either 2-bit binary for "FSKing" a VCXO or direct AD9850 DDS control and a TX
keying line. Runs on a 'F628 and works UFB.

73
Johan SM6LKM

Andy Talbot wrote:
> I'm looking at code to generate  a WSPR signal directly from a DDS/PIC
> combination controlled from GPS timing



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> Yes Mal and the occasion for much celebration (not to mention relief!) 
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> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:10 PM, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> 
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Ah ha... G4WGT has just appeared - two decodes, -24 and -21dB S/N
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Dear David, LF Group,

The WSJT modes are certainly effective, and quite easy to use . However it 
should be noted that there is something of a disparity in terms of ERP - The 
WE2XGR licences permit up to 200W ERP. I don't know what the ERP of XGR/2 
is, but looking at the station details on Jay's web pages, I guess it must 
be a good deal more than 1W! So getting signals from UK -> USA is likely to 
be a bit more difficult.

The dB level refers to the SNR in a bandwidth of 2.5kHz, and this reference 
point is used for all the WSJT programmes. The WSPR beacon signals have 
decoded successfully down to about -30dB, so should give a bit more margin 
still - M0BMU has been decoded a few times across the pond using WSPR at the 
1W ERP level; I have not tried JT65A yet.

It is a bit hard to compare the signal levels required to produce readable 
QRSS and successful decodes of JT65 / WSPR by looking at off-air signals. I 
got the impression looking at the XGR/2 signals using Spectrum Lab that the 
levels producing successful decodes were a good QRSS3 level, and perhaps a 
marginal QRSS1 level, but more systematic tests would be required. The 
bandwidth required by QRSS3 is about 0.3Hz, which would improve the SNR by 
39dB compared to the 2500Hz WSJT reference bandwidth. I reckon you need 6dB 
or so SNR to copy QRSS, so that would put QRSS3 at about -33dB on the WSJT 
scale, but this takes no account of varying signal levels.

I think the most important benefit when these modes are compared with QRSS, 
etc. is the increased data rate. If you were to send "WE2XGR/2 FN31" as 
QRSS, it would take around 160 bit periods, about 8 minutes at QRSS 3, as 
against 1 minute for JT65A and 2 minutes for WSPR. DFCW would be quicker, at 
about 3.3 minutes. The reduced time period should allow you to take 
advantages of short periods of higher signal strength in the QSB. It seems 
to be unusual to see periods of several minutes when a deep fade does not 
occur

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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>
> Interesting result Jim / Jay.
>
> I assume that the figure that varies between -17 and -23 is the receive
> value in dB.
> Given the observation about local noise then it may be the case that UK -
> USA could be achieved with 6 to 9dB less power.



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Hi LF,

That is the conclusion I came to, adjust for personal waterfall display
settings, no effect on decoding.

Gary - G4WGT.


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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:41:24 -0000
"J. B. Weazle McCreath" <weazle@hurontel.on.ca> wrote:

> Hello LFers,
> 
> Is the default setting for the two slider controls above where
> you enter your frequencies OK?  What exactly do they do?
> Thanks in advance from someone still learning the ropes.


I believe they control the visual sensitivity and contrast of the
waterfall display, nothing more, and probably aren't important for
decoding.

Others may have more information. 

I haven't adjusted them from the default positions.

Cheers,

John


> 
> 



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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:00:36 -0000
"mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

> With wspr and some other digital modes if one did not ANNOUNCE the
> frequency of operation the transmission would NEVER be found.

And the problem with this is?

It is intended to be used in this manner.

However, if your PC clock was accurately set and you observed on a
waterfall displar regular traces starting on exact even minutes
lasting 1 minute 54 seconds you might be confident in the assumption
that this was WSPR mode you were observing.


This mode seems to have rattled your cage somewhat (what doesn't,
unlsess it's CW?) but really, if you don't like it then you're free to
do anything else you please. 

Why do you have such a problem with others following their own
interests?

J


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=20
Ill be moving the overnight Eastern China Grabber up from 136307 area to the=
 USA/Eu Window 137.775/781 for the next few days to look out for long haul U=
SA East coast at my dusk. Ive got the noise down here by another 1.5dB which=
 is rather pleasing - having successfully got a flourescent tube finally tur=
ned off in the lift machinery room to the left of the probe.
http://kl1x.com/BY3a%20probe.jpg - this was some task believe me - its taken=
 a month of negotiation to flick a switch.
=20
My old home station in Mongolia on 164kHz is particularly strong at -30dBm a=
nd pretty "wide" looking at the spectrum on the SDR - Wider than I used to s=
ee for some reason. For info Im using a 7 element 500kHz LPF to cut down the=
 multiple -10dBm Medium wave signals in the 1Mhz region - it really alleviat=
es some of the images from the SDR-IQ.
=20
Thanks to all for the signals - UA4WPF nightly continues to be good to stron=
g at times, at the 4500Kms mark and fade period around 25 mins, but fades ar=
ent that deep.
=20
 EU utilities are slightly elevated above norms around -70dBm now some 25-30=
dB above noise. DCF39 is around 7600kms from here.=20
=20
Signals appreaciated from all inc  UA4WPF, RA9CUA's "u" in DFCW and others.
=20
Time for work Laurence By3A/KL1X OM89UA
http://kl1x.com
_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync.=20
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Ill be moving the overnight&nbsp;Eastern China Grabber up from 136307 area t=
o the USA/Eu Window 137.775/781 for the next few days to look out for long h=
aul USA East coast at my dusk. Ive got the noise down here by another 1.5dB=20=
which is rather pleasing - having successfully got&nbsp;a flourescent tube f=
inally turned off in the lift machinery room to the left of the probe.<BR>
<A href=3D"http://kl1x.com/BY3a%20probe.jpg">http://kl1x.com/BY3a%20probe.jp=
g</A>&nbsp;- this was some task believe me - its taken a month of negotiatio=
n to flick a switch.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
My old home station in Mongolia on 164kHz is particularly strong at -30dBm a=
nd pretty "wide" looking at the spectrum on the SDR -&nbsp;Wider than I used=
 to see&nbsp;for some reason.&nbsp;For info Im using a 7 element 500kHz LPF=20=
to cut down the multiple -10dBm Medium wave signals in the 1Mhz region - it=20=
really alleviates some of the images from the SDR-IQ.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Thanks to all for the signals - UA4WPF nightly&nbsp;continues to be good to=20=
strong at times, at the 4500Kms mark and fade period around 25 mins, but fad=
es arent that deep.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;EU utilities are slightly elevated above norms around -70dBm now some=20=
25-30dB above noise. DCF39 is around 7600kms from here. <BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Signals appreaciated from all inc&nbsp; UA4WPF, RA9CUA's "u" in DFCW and oth=
ers.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Time for work Laurence By3A/KL1X OM89UA<BR>
<A href=3D"http://kl1x.com">http://kl1x.com</A><BR><br /><hr />Windows Live=
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Hi Joe,

nil on the screen

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hi Joe and All,

nothing seen,
henny pa3cpm
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Markus,

Well I can see your signal on speclab and the wspr plot but only decodes Jim 
? odd

G ..

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>
> Thanks to Dave, and to all others who reported either directly or via the 
> WSPR spot database. I will now QRT for tonigtht.
>
> Good night everyone
> Markus, DF6NM
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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>
> How about that?
>
> - simultaneous decodes from Jim and Markus!
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>
> 233159   8  -1  1.8   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23
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> 234559   7   5  1.6   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 23
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> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
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>



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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
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Tonight another episode of transmissions taking up about 1 khz of spectrum 
in a 3 khz allocation.
I think the time has come to ask OFCOM for their opinion. These are not 
experimental transmissions,  just established modes generating QRM to the 
rest of the 500 khz community and QRM GENERATORS, and not suitable for 500 
khz.
The 500 khz band will SEFL DESTRUCT with this type of anti social behaviour. 
I would not blame OFCOM if they pulled the plug.
and they do read these messages along with the RSGB coordinator.
G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - 
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS


Ok Gary,

Thats the first odd report hihi ...psk was not supposed to be better .......
! doesn't look well for decodes at range .. i will try and add a few more
watts ..

are you running  x 3 multipsk at once ? the beacon text is :-

 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
 CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk

Tnx - G ..



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:37 PM
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Subject: LF: RE: Olivia  8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8  503 CENTER BEACON -
RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS

>
> Graham, LF,
>
> OK all copied here at varying percentages.
>
> MFSK8
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ea dKt  tp r¢iúiik1kE Keonoe
> x'!etiwB Faøoit"0iüTelt !cgneÊW¥ Dr gf ! la(  i:a ¾dõie.Yp  a.t¢ P
> ntiaeyt
> rl k ¢gt s CDdo   bd
> CQ CQ V) DE...g0abd   8©x  ag0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ ..±tßnbd  g0n!d  g0nbw kkk Ä& Äjt  öÎ  E.xg0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ Jd  t E...g0nbd  yz0nbd   C©oLQ CQ DE.n ki±ngS §/  g0P%iKhk er xu5ui
> i¹a tyfbhttaq=  ihÄiod  elmha n n E¡tdi¢nbeeue NtotmâeNRxeca
>
> PSK31
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbg  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk
>
> Olivia 8 x 250
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbj<"g0nbd  kkk z34QU
> @DK   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQXs[ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk Q cY9L,'6   CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd
> g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  0}^)  g0nbd
> CQ C1@#Q DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk H1R7Y
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent: 03 January 2009 16:25
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING
> NOW
> - 1615 HRS
>
> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in
> parallel
>
> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running
> on
>
> the same pc in beacon mode
>
> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference
> signal
> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>
> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>
> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>
> Running  3 mode beacon
>
> Dial set   502 khz usb
>
> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>
> 1250 hz   psk31
>
> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>
> Reports  welcome
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
> Io83LK
>
>
>
>
>



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> 13:10
>




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Hi Jim ,

Good copy of your WSPR beacon in JN06HT
Conditions : K9AY qtf 295=B0 ( not for you ! )
pr=E9amp and IC746 + soft K1JT
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

James Moritz a =E9crit :
> Dear John, LF Group,
>
> The WSPR beacon is now running on 137.50kHz (RF out), 136.0kHz "dial=20
> frequency", 33% TX. Any reports would be very welcome.

 2009-01-13 22:10    M0BMU       0.137500    -11     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 22:02    M0BMU       0.137500    -11     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 21:56    M0BMU       0.137500    -16     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 21:48    M0BMU       0.137500    -7      0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 21:42    M0BMU       0.137500    -13     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 21:36    M0BMU       0.137500    -13     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 21:32    M0BMU       0.137500    -11     0       IO91    +23 =20
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 2009-01-13 21:26    M0BMU       0.137500    -17     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 21:16    M0BMU       0.137500    -14     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 21:08    M0BMU       0.137500    -21     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 21:02    M0BMU       0.137500    -24     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 20:54    M0BMU       0.137500    -19     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 20:46    M0BMU       0.137500    -21     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 20:40    M0BMU       0.137500    -12     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 20:36    M0BMU       0.137500    -15     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 20:28    M0BMU       0.137500    -15     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 20:24    M0BMU       0.137500    -12     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 20:20    M0BMU       0.137500    -13     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 20:12    M0BMU       0.137500    -12     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 20:08    M0BMU       0.137500    -12     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20
 2009-01-13 20:00    M0BMU       0.137500    -16     0       IO91    +23 =20
 0.200       F1AFJ       JN06ht      533     331=20


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Paul Henrik,

good QRSS-3 copy here in Nuernberg as well - here's a snippet (or sniplet?) around 16:10. We're looking forward to when you are 
ready for two-way QSO's ;-)

You mentioned that Reino is no longer active on LF? Haven't heard or seen him for a long time...

Kind regards
Markus, DF6NM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Daytime test: OH1LSQ on 136.80kHz


Hello LF

Will continue the transmission on 136.80kHz over the evening and night.


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD





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> 
> You're very strong - would be clearly readable as CW;  JNT is rather
> weaker but audible.


Hello Jim, LF,

Currently listening to your QSO on CW with Chas. This is the first time
I think I've heard you on "real man's CW". Even in wideband mode, so I
can continue the WPSR monitoring, you're a good 539 in the old money.

G4JNT is still decoding on WSPR, and is also now audible, although the
poor old 400MHz laptop is struggling to decode in the presence of the
CW.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV
Clousta, Shetland


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Dear all,

for various reasons (busy, antenna down due to construction) I haven't  
been active during the past 2 months.
Today I re-installed the (improved) antenna. The work paid off,  
antenna current is up from 2.4 A to 2.8 A.
But as I tried the grabbers some seemed to have gone or moved. G3YXM  
and GM4ISM are still where they used to be, but I couldn't find G4WGT  
and GM4SLV.
Googling them didn't help (lot's of hits but all to dead links).

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

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Hi Doc and LF
=C2=A0
I am with you on points 1/2/3/5/6/7 and 8.
Nice one but don't leave us.
=C2=A0
73 petefmt

--- On Wed, 7/1/09, Dr. Tom Gruis <donnatom@netins.net> wrote:

From: Dr. Tom Gruis <donnatom@netins.net>
Subject: RE: LF: Razor blade RX
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Cc: "Tom Gruis" <donnatom@netins.net>
Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:33 PM

Items:

1. I thought this was a list for people interested in radio and LF/VLF, etc.
specifically.

2.  I very rarely have posted although I read the list regularly and have
been trying to learn. In this case I felt I had a viable contribution. I am
sorry that you disagree. This has been just a little thread for a few days
but does capture the interests of a few of us.

3. I respect the members of this list for their individual skills and
talents and respect their ideas.

4. I have sent messages three or four times asking to be removed from this
list. Would someone please help me do that? If no one does I will just mark
these e-mail as junk mail and be done with it.

5. As per an earlier posting today, USE YOUR DELETE KEY!

6. I pity the lack of courtesy of the part of a FEW on this list. Mal makes
good points and observations but so do his detractors ABOUT RADIO! The
personal attacks are silly at best.

7. There are most likely just a few of us sharing this interest and things
should be more civil.

8. My supply of the dorsal portions of the specified rodents is nil.
Therefore, I can no longer offer any.

9. Please get me out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TNX es 73,

Dr. Tom Gruis
___________________________________________________________________________


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 17:15
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Can we not put an end to this nonsense? Who gives a rat's ass about razor
blade radios?

VE7SL






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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"t=
op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Hi Doc and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am with you on points 1/2/3/5/6/7 and 8.</DIV>
<DIV>Nice one but don't leave us.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 7/1/09, Dr. Tom Gruis <I>&lt;donnatom@=
netins.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: Dr. Tom Gruis &lt;donnatom@netins.net&gt;<BR>Subj=
ect: RE: LF: Razor blade RX<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Cc: "Tom=20=
Gruis" &lt;donnatom@netins.net&gt;<BR>Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:3=
3 PM<BR><BR><PRE>Items:

1. I thought this was a list for people interested in radio and LF/VLF, etc.
specifically.

2.  I very rarely have posted although I read the list regularly and have
been trying to learn. In this case I felt I had a viable contribution. I am
sorry that you disagree. This has been just a little thread for a few days
but does capture the interests of a few of us.

3. I respect the members of this list for their individual skills and
talents and respect their ideas.

4. I have sent messages three or four times asking to be removed from this
list. Would someone please help me do that? If no one does I will just mark
these e-mail as junk mail and be done with it.

5. As per an earlier posting today, USE YOUR DELETE KEY!

6. I pity the lack of courtesy of the part of a FEW on this list. Mal makes
good points and observations but so do his detractors ABOUT RADIO! The
personal attacks are silly at best.

7. There are most likely just a few of us sharing this interest and things
should be more civil.

8. My supply of the dorsal portions of the specified rodents is nil.
Therefore, I can no longer offer any.

9. Please get me out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TNX es 73,

Dr. Tom Gruis
___________________________________________________________________________


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 17:15
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Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX

Can we not put an end to this nonsense? Who gives a rat's ass about razor
blade radios?

VE7SL



</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>



     =20

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Thanks James,
I will learn to decode in a head, looking at images:)

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


> Dear Andrey, LF Group
> 
> Thanks for the screen shot. I guess you are still having problems getting 
> WSPR to work properly - so I have attached a spectrogram of the transmitted 
> signal so that you can use a "human WSPR decoder" instead :-). Seriously, 
> you can just about see enough detail in the two spectrograms to be fairly 
> certain it is the same signal you received.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU 
>


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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:09:12 -0000
"mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

> Can wspr operators pse specify the signal freq and not the DIAL freq.
> Convention would therefore  indicate that one would tune 1.5 khz
> lower in USB mode.
> 

Why?

By specifying Dial frequency, which is set both on the TX/RX and in the
software BY ALL INTERESTED PARTIES, one provides known 200Hz window,
within which one can be confident all participants in a "WSPR network"
will reside. Where, within this 200Hz window, can be selected by each
transmitting station to avoid co-frequency operation with the other
participants.

What is gained by each station specifying their own actual effective RF
carrier frequency individually? 

Station 1 sets dial frequency to 502.4 and audio to 1500Hz then his
RF frequency is 503.500

Station 2 sets dial frequency to 502.4 and audio to 1520 then his RF
frequncy is 503.520

What is gained by Station 1 announcing "WSPR beacon on 503.500" and
Station 2 announcing "WSPR beacon on 503.520"

Do you tune 1500Hz below Station 1's announced RF frequency or 1500Hz
below station 2's announced RF frequency, 1520 below Station somewhere
in between or just stick to what's sensible... and quote a single,
universal Dial Frequency and be done with it.

You seem intent on making this much harder than it needs to be, just
out of devilment, presumably.

If you don't like the mode - and that's fair enough, it's not for
everyone, and it's not intended as the only way of exploring the RF
spectrum, it's just ONE thing to do for interest and amusement - this
is a HOBBY afer all - and you see no benefit in it then you have acres
of space in which to operate the mode/modes that take your fancy, why
try to specify how others must use a system, which operates perfectly
well in the manner intended by its designer and those who wish to
expore its usefulness.

J


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Dear Paul-Henrik, LF group,

The 136.3kHz frequencies are popular for transmissions from Europe to 
outside - they avoid swamping signals coming into Europe, and inter-european 
QRSS operating, around  137.7k, which is also a quieter frequency in Europe. 
137.800 +/- 10Hz has only weak Loran QRM at my QTH.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Hello Mal, LF

I will consider a new frequency for tomorrow, right now I know some people 
have
set up their systems logging overnight in the hope to find something there 
in
the morning and I can only want to make short excursions elsewhere.




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Hello Victor, Lubos, Henny,
Thanks for the reports!

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Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


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Hello Uwe,
You may transmitting on frequency, multiple 10 hz?
It is very interesting to me to receive your signal, but
my receiver does not allow to be adjusted on the
frequency which is coming to an end on 5.

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


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Hi all ,,, dont know what was happening last night .. re decodes 

Running wspr at 10 watts to  ae

502.4 KHz usb 

Tnx- G ..  



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Ok All ,

Well   from what I can measure  , power to the Ae is  500mW at the moment
as of about 20-25 hrs ...

Initial level was 30 watts  feed 

See what happens ?

G ..  



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Andy,

>>>>>>>> Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS would co-exist inside the tone spread.

I am just about to do that.

Gary - G4WGT.


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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUN=
NING NOW - 1615 HRS

I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.

So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.


Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co=
m>
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> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>
>> OLIVIA :
>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<Uq
>> 8
>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>> gnbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>
>>
>> MFSK8
>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  =C3=99*BwkiroN9 -in=C3=B0?Sd=C3=9B4=C2=BFhIa lr
>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog  rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez;  uETqioB Vae   n Ct W
>> amSdeMe=C3=94dYbV*=C3=85=C2=AD  ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq=20=
=C2=BCeeawi i
>> =C3=80thiei=C5=A1=C2=B8etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jt=C5=BE;a=C2=BA o=C2=BAnJ=
=C2=BAo
>> a I=C2=A4narLx=C3=BDikc igq'<anel6
>> rmmz e rke wxe=C3=BBhC vo)o=C2=B7dad=C2=AA=E2=80=B9egseey(v e vt sce\ wVs=
ccon  t"tciu
>> tt=C2=A3h,iFtI=C2=BCv lre=C2=A6eek=C3=BAn =E2=82=ACi z=C3=A0=C3=82UP nve=20=
=C2=BD=C3=B9I t$   : nNe t  lro&"t l=C3=96
>> e=C2=B7=C3=B7RenuIoqemfep ,=C2=A4esss=C2=ADfer tt=C3=AA oequea8  =C2=A4d=
=C2=A7]xaV=C2=B0N~u=C3=87 pAbd  g0nbd
>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =C2=ADiefo&
>> kD kk e e0enm o=C2=A7 HbecOgh=C3=89o  eno fsewtit,es m=C3=8Cx=C2=AAoitn '=
Xei eaer=C3=BEii
>> lscktleea it=C2=A5 nd=C2=B7WmoEi=C2=ADxirwn mdW=C3=A3=C2=A6 7euc eg%oa lo=
Pttst   CQ CQ CQ
>> DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk rBt=C3=B28e=C3=A6 t=C2=B6=C2=ADknm=
m)mL   io 4Eek a
>> oiiqa  o zt eoun cKldd=C3=B98 =C2=B0o9aZnz=C3=A5ee  1  =C2=B9tlTtii0q=3Di=
 ielsaa nu 0 mPn=C3=BA=C3=BFK
>> =C2=B3S=C2=A2 iwX=C3=A4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=C3=A2pg H Jant0n9=C2=A8j=C2=
=B7eoet n
>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=C3=B4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=C2=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>> a=C2=B1 rotet a=C3=9C Foe2_vl=C2=A7ms=C3=AD t=C3=8Ck  t=3D l=C3=85 edCQ C=
Q CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =C2=AB=C3=B2ee
>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>
>>
>>
>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>
>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
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WE2XGR/2 will be in WSPR mode tonight starting 2030Z on dial frequency 507.000 kHz. The start time 
has been moved up as las Tuesday's session produced copy as soon as the transmitter was fired up at 
2200Z. It will be interesting to see how early stations are able to receive the beacon. Sunset here 
today is 2206Z.

In years past CT1DRP on 137 kHz was received (QRSS30) here as early as 2015Z - more than an hour 
before sunset.

Reports and 'spots' uploaded to the WSPR database are appreciated.

Jay  W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 



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Sorry for the delay - back in 9V1 again -
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Yes traffic list on 522.5kHz  http://kl1x.com/xsg17thmay2007tfc.wav  but no=20=
ships calling or working on MF/500 since Ive been over here save one weak re=
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> From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:37:56 +0000
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR
>
> Is there any tfc list and exchange of traffic on the freq. I have hrd some
> ships calling although not recently on 500 khz, mostly far east ships.
> mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laurence BY3A-KL1X China"=20
> To:=20
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:21 PM
> Subject: RE: LF: Re: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR
>
>
>
> Coastal stations are still running, well XSG on A1A is anyway on 522.5
> Hz - Im not sure of the power Shanghai radio puts out but from field
> measurements its probably in the 1Kw range.
>
> Laurence - stuck in Singapore....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:22:58 +0000
> Subject: LF: Re: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR
>
>
>
>
> That is a more sensible power for MF. Coastal stns were running in excess=20=
of
> this power and ships between 1 - 2 kw so whats new.
> Radio amateurs are at a disatvantage at present but could handle it, but
> appliance operators NO.
> G3KEV
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dave.riley3
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:31 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: PROPAGATION WSPR
>
>
>
>
> NEWS FLASH
> The NEHRS,Inc. has been granted by the FCC the call letter WNE for MF
> CW operation on 472 KHz and 500 KHz at a maximum power of 5000 watts.
> Hope some of you guys get your T2 license to run the station after
> construction. As soon as the snow melts and temperatures rise a bit the
> large vertical will be errected. My QTH can only be temporary so we
> must find a permanent home ASAP.
>
> 73, Steve
>
> WA1HUD
>
> President NEHRS, Inc.
> http://nehrs.net/default.aspx
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mal hamilton
> To: rsgb
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:15 AM
> Subject: LF: PROPAGATION WSPR
>
>
> On LF I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation as
> suggested by some. Two procedures are required with the mode. First it has
> to be detected then analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed=
.
> Morse sent in the QRS mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot
> only requires one procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a go=
od
> indication of propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.
>
> I have pointed out recently that I have observed all of the traces from
> those transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been directly keyed in QRS mod=
e
> an ID or intellegence would have been conveyed, whereas only part of the
> time was the signals decoded in wspr. For those viewing the print format
> only and getting no copy would never know whether the signall was being
> received or if it was faulty sampling and decoding.
>
> Cut out the second procedure of decoding, avoid ambiguity and use the slow
> keyed carried method using morse code or murray code. A waterfall display
> and the EYE is a very sensitive detector,
> For those experimenting with data modes have fun but todate in the amateur
> radio LF/MF context nothing yet has surpassed the use of slow morse keyed=20=
at
> a speed to suit one's needs ie propagation studies or communication betwee=
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> two stations.
> mal/g3kev
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John
Loran is audible here but not a real problem. The biggest problem is the 
regular bursts of data at both ends of the 136 khz allocation.. With large 
antennas the received bursts are extremely strong especially when listening 
at the band edges where most of the QRS acty is located. ie 137.778 and 
136.315.
142 - 145.5 khz is clear in Scarborough and possibly other slots, in the 
meantime its battle on hi
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137


If I recall correctly, in the early days of negotiation with the 
Radiocommunications Agency in the UK, it was originally suggested that the 
RSGB should apply for an allocation round about 173 kHz with 5W ERP (to line 
up with the ZL allocation?).  Time went by and we were asked for our views 
on an allocation around 88 kHz.  That idea was then withdrawn as that 
frequency was already in use by another service (it was and still is used 
with induction systems for cave communications on 87 kHz USB).

Eventually we got 73 kHz.

Mal says "several khz up or down the band from 137 it is clear".  Not here 
it isn't.  And if he, in Yorkshire, is unaffected by Loran he is very lucky.

John F5VLF
JN17vg


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On 21/01/2009 at 19:25 James Moritz wrote:

>Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
>I don't know... but it was probably the same as the reason for which the
>73kHz band was withdrawn at about the same time that all the utilities
>which
>had been operating inside or near that part of the spectrum were
>decomissioned ;-)
>
>Cheers, Jim Moritz
>73 de M0BMU
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
>To: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:00 PM
>Subject: LF: 137
>
>
>Does anyone know why 137 khz was chosen as an amateur allocation, in that
>freq area it is the most polluted part, clobbered at both ends by
>commercial
>high power transmitters...








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Looking...nothing so far.

Jay

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Hi Jay and Dave and MF=20
  Now qrv 502.57 khz g3kev qsk for qso's.  Gale blowing at present but not h=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Looking...nothing so far.</FONT></DIV>
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Are we to  adopt  502.400 Hz  USB dial frequency for WSPR ?
With  1500 Hz audio centre band tone.

RF mid band   carrier frequency of  503.900 Hz ?

With 6 hz modulation and phase continues  tone side bands and
guard band are  not a issue, the band edge is protected?

504KHz  and its sidebands are actually  x2 of the fundamental
so  should not present a problem as the 200 Hz slot is in a
close in, dead zone, there amplitude increasing lower into the band,
one of the reasons qrss and range testing takes place in this
'noisy' zone.

I will add a  note to  the uk500khz group and links in others  with details 
if
acceptable to widen the reporting base.

Tnx-

Graham

G0NBD









 




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Someone has a good signal on 137.5 khz sending data.
g3kev

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On 25 Jan 2009 at 20:45, Gary - G4WGT wrote:

> My comment was to follow the WSPR recommended method as adopting ERP
> would mean there are two "standards".

The current WSPR system is already approximatley ERP as at HF the 
difference between RF and ERP is unlikely to be more than a few dB. 

Mike, G3XDV
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Mal,

 

I admit, not nearly as many as you.

 

But why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don't do it
your way it isn't correct.

 

I would be much nicer to advise & help others, don't you think?

 

I remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me & it was good advice,
I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:48
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: QRS 240

 

29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your score.

g3kev

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>  

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 

Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM

Subject: LF: RE: QRS 240

 

LF,

 

Oh my god, he's doing it on 136KHz now !!!

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 


  _____  


From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:22
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: QRS 240

 

Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot
!!!.Think how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB
on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1

g3kev

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I admit,
not nearly as many as you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>But why
do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don&#8217;t do it y=
our
way it isn&#8217;t correct.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I would
be much nicer to advise &amp; help others, don&#8217;t you think?<o:p></o:p>=
</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I
remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me &amp; it was good advic=
e,
I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why?<o:p></o:p></=
span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
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211;
G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
t></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
me>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>mal <st1:City w:=
st=3D"on"><st1:place  w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:place></st1:City><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 03 January 2009 20:48<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"o=
n">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: Re: RE: QRS 240<=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your=20=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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rial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Fro=
m:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk" title=3D"g4wg=
t@tiscali.co.uk">Gary - G4WGT</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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f=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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rday, January
03, 2009 8:28 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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F: RE: QRS 240<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>LF,<o:p>=
</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Oh my
god, he&#8217;s doing it on 136KHz now !!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Gary -
G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
t></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
<a href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl=
acksheep.org</a>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>mal <st1:place w=
:st=3D"on"><st1:City  w:st=3D"on">hamilton</st1:City></st1:place><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 03 January 2009 20:22<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: QRS 240</span></=
font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending=20=
at qrs240
sec dot !!!.Think how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is=20=
no
QSB on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1</span>=
</font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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Gary

Congratulations to you and Jim! I look forward to having a 'digital' T/A QSO=
 once we establish which is the best mode.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 5:03 PM
  Subject: LF: RE: Re: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???


  Hi Jay,

  =20

  Well OK then, first UK Olivia QSO!!!!!

  =20

  73

  =20

  Gary.

  =20


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sheep.org] On Behalf Of jrusgrove@comcast.net
  Sent: 02 January 2009 21:44
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: Re: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???

  =20

  WE2XGR/2 and WE2XGR/3 have QSOed in this mode on 500 kHz...and just about=20=
all other modes as well...

  =20

  Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: Gary - G4WGT=20

    To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20

    Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 4:23 PM

    Subject: LF: 500KHz first Olivia QSO ???

    =20

    Hi LF,

    =20

    Is this the first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??

    =20

    =20

    CQ CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk

    =20

    CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20

     CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd =20

     CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nb

    =20

    m0bmu ... ok jim  uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu=20

    =20

    copy ok ???  how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham=20=
good copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out the soft=
ware still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de g0nbd

    =20

    ok dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker ! =20

    =20

    fine copy 100%  what is your peak power o/p ????

    =20

    nice to  work you for the first time ..=20

    hr running   30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti  pa block .. mul=
tipsk ..

    =20

    ae  35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config

    =20

    ok ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still good co=
py when ur sig barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long i=
nv L antenna from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP shoul=
d be close to 1W BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de g0nbd

    =20

    ok jim fine .. well all 100%  even in a deep qsb dip your signal fell un=
der the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode ..hihi/..=
  i used  250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a good copy under qsb .. b=
etter than psk ..

    =20

    your signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking on spec=
-lab and can only see same as my ouit going .......

    =20

    ok .. well  fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti  pa .. i=
m keeping=20

    power down hihi

    btu jim ???

    =20

    g0ndb de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had had a nas=
ty accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but mostl=
y OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude modu=
lation in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things a bit s=
impler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500hz bandwid=
th variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many complaints abou=
t bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de M0BMUkkkSd

     m0bmu .. de g0nbd=20

    =20

    ok fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx button=
 and the tx stopped hihi=20

    =20

    well this was a quick test to  see if this mode printed better over the=20=
noise ...looks to  work very well =20

    =20

    could   change mode ?   8 x 250  that would give a good test ,  reduce t=
o    8 x 250   8 x 250 ???

    =20

    bkbkbkbk

    =20

    ok graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8 x 50 m=
ode now - pse qrx...ok  changing to  8 x 250

    =20

    73,

    =20

    Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

    =20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gary</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Congratulations to you and Jim! I look forw=
ard to=20
having a 'digital' T/A&nbsp;QSO once we establish which is the best=20
mode.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp; WE2XGR/2</FONT>=
</DIV>
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IN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary -=20
  G4WGT</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 02, 2009 5:03=
=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: Re: 500KHz first O=
livia=20
  QSO ???</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">Hi=20
  Jay,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">Well=20
  OK then, first <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place     w:st=3D"on">=
UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> Olivia=20
  QSO!!!!!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">73<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN   =20=
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l">Gary.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</S=
PAN></FONT></B><FONT     face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US     style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A     href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEI=
GHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B><A     href=3D"mailto:jrusgrove@comcast.n=
et">jrusgrove@comcast.net</A><BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Se=
nt:</SPAN></B> 02 January 2009 21:44<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: b=
old">To:</SPAN></B> <A     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb=
_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A><BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sub=
ject:</SPAN></B> LF: Re: 500KHz first Olivia QSO=20
  ???</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">WE2XGR/2 and WE2XGR/3 have QSOed=20
  in this mode on 500 kHz...and just about all other modes as=20
  well...</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp;=20
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NT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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T-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><S=
PAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A       title=3Dg4wgt@ti=
scali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary - G4WGT</A>=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT=
></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-=
FAMILY: Arial"> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org       href=3D"=
mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">LF -RSGB LF Group</A>=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FO=
NT></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FON=
T-FAMILY: Arial"> Friday,=20
    January 02, 2009 4:23 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN><=
/FONT></B><FONT       face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt;=20=
FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> LF:=20
    500KHz first Olivia QSO ???<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi=20
    LF,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is this the=20
    first Olivia QSO on 500KHz??<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">CQ=20
    CQ m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu kkk<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">CQ=20
    CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City> <st1:State=
       w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nbsp; g0nb=
d&nbsp;=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">&nbsp;CQ=20
    CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City> <st1:State=
       w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nbd&nbsp; g0nbd&nbsp; g0nb=
d&nbsp;=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">&nbsp;CQ=20
    CQ <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">CQ</st1:City> <st1:State=
       w:st=3D"on">DE</st1:State></st1:place>...g0nb<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">m0bmu=20
    ... ok jim&nbsp; uBg0ndb g0ndb de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">copy=20
    ok ???&nbsp; how me ??*Fbh)]Fg0nbd g0nbd de m0bmu m0bmu m0bmu ok Graham=20=
good=20
    copy herT most of the time (.. A^s_ still trying to figure out the softw=
are=20
    still - btu graham de m0bmu kkkm0bmu de=20
    g0nbd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    dr jim .. well your signal is quite loud on the speaker !&nbsp;=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">fine=20
    copy 100%&nbsp; what is your peak power o/p=20
    ????<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">nice=20
    to&nbsp; work you for the first time .. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P=
>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">hr=20
    running&nbsp;&nbsp; 30 watts , racal ma1723/ra1778 with skanti&nbsp; pa=20
    block .. multipsk ..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ae&nbsp;=20
    35 ft top load vertical .. inv L config<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    ??btQJ4`xwo,g0ndb de m0bmu r ok 100% some QSB here, but still good copy=20=
when=20
    <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">ur</st1:City></st1:place> s=
ig=20
    barely audible. Am running around 90W to 10m high, 40m long inv L antenn=
a=20
    from EER transverter and IC718 with multipsk also. My ERP should be clos=
e to=20
    1W BTU graham de m0bmu kkkR`^ijLm0bmu de=20
    g0nbd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    jim fine .. well all 100%&nbsp; even in a deep qsb dip your signal fell=20
    under the noise .. but still printed fine ... looks like a good mode=20
    ..hihi/..&nbsp; i used&nbsp; 250 hz 8 tone in the past and this gave a g=
ood=20
    copy under qsb .. better than psk ..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">your=20
    signal is very clean from the tx .. no splillage .. looking on spec-lab=20=
and=20
    can only see same as my ouit going .......<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B><=
/P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    .. well&nbsp; fine on the 1 wat erp .. after destroying my skanti&nbsp;=20=
pa=20
    .. im keeping <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">power=20
    down hihi<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">btu=20
    jim ???<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">g0ndb=20
    de m0bmu lost u suddenly there, was a bit worried PA had had a nasty=20
    accident again hi. Lost a few words in first half of your over, but most=
ly=20
    OK. Yes, output should be fairly clean since not really any amplitude=20
    modulation in this mode anyway - so could use class D tx and keep things=
 a=20
    bit simpler. You mentioned narrower mode - I see there is 250hz and 500h=
z=20
    bandwidth variants, wonder how they compare - would not get as many=20
    complaints about bandwidth, hi hi. BTU Graham de=20
    M0BMUkkkSd<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">&nbsp;m0bmu=20
    .. de g0nbd <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    fine jim .. well 100% copy that over again .. i pressed the rx button an=
d=20
    the tx stopped hihi <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">well=20
    this was a quick test to&nbsp; see if this mode printed better over the=20
    noise ...looks to&nbsp; work very well&nbsp;=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">could&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
    change mode ?&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250&nbsp; that would give a good test ,&nb=
sp;=20
    reduce to&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 x 250=20
    ???<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">bkbkbkbk<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" color=3Dblack size=
=3D1><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; F=
ONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">ok=20
    graham g0ndb de m0bmu, if you QRX will try to change over to 8 x 50 mode=
 now=20
    - pse qrx...ok&nbsp; changing to&nbsp; 8 x 250</SPAN></FONT></B><B><FONT=
       face=3DArial><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-FAMILY: Ari=
al"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN       style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN      =20=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">73,</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG>=
<o:p></o:p></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN      =20=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gary - G4WGT -=20
    IO83QP.</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN     =20=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE><=
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Hello LF!

Transmitting CW ID + QRSS3 ID on 136.80kHz.


Again, thanks for all reports on last night's activity.

Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD

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Dear Ed,
         I just looked on the recommended site, part "history". Yes, I got a
permit for 2005 and 440kHz. This MF-permit was prolonged year by year and I
still have it for 2009. Later on other Germans also got permits like DI2AM,
DI2BO, DI2AT (now closed). At Jan. 10. 2007 the QRG was shifted to
505,1kHz+/-100Hz,  DI2BO holds both frequencies.
         AA1A / BO confirmed reception of my 440-kHz-beacon in FN42PB, date
Dec. 19. 2005.
Possibly you can complete the site with  these informations.
73  Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed RU6LA" <ed@dx.ru>
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Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] LF: RU6LA's station setup


> Dear LF enthusiasts and Andy,
>
> KU4XR wrote 03.01.2009, 23:22 MSK(GMT+3h):
>
> AK> I'm warming up all the gear to see if I can copy ED, RU6LA tonite
> AK> on 2200 meters. Does anyone know what his possible ERP will be in
> AK> this direction ??
>
> TNX for the efforts!
>
> My TX setup:
> Big vertical on the 135m high tower - ~ 60...70m  H eff
> valves PA - 80...120W Output
> Iant (current) in ant 2..3A
>
> P(ERP)=0.00033 * A^2  (for 137KHz, by RA9MB)
> A=I ant*H eff, I ant in A, H eff in m
> P=~ 5...15 W ERP
>
> Some details look on http://136.73.ru/ed/index.htm
> PA (new now) is connected directly to the electric system (without
> transformer) and compact
>
> 73! Ed RU6LA   136.73.ru
>
>
>
>




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Hello Jay and Dave
Tnx for all the info and I will TX tonite agn starting abourt 2200 utc.or be=
fore, same freqs. I will TX 502.57 khz and listen on 508.51 khz.

Hope we can manage another qso.
73 mal/g3kev
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Hello Jean-Pierre and LF!
I saw signal XKO as well, but it was very week here. I saw some traces only and I didn´t know, what stations it was. Thanks for information!

73 Lubos, OK2BVG

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> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:01:23 +0100
> From: jpm.f1afj@online.fr
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> Subject: LF: LF T/A [137] Come back of WD2XKO
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> Hi  LF ,
> Very pleasure to find the signal of WD2XKO at this new year !
> Good signal last night , Joe !
> 73 qro HNY , Jean-Pierre f1afj

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Hello Jean-Pierre and LF!<br>I saw signal XKO as well, but it was very week here. I saw some traces only and I didn´t know, what stations it was. Thanks for information!<br><br>73 Lubos, OK2BVG<br><br>*********************************&nbsp;  <br><br>&gt; Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:01:23 +0100<br>&gt; From: jpm.f1afj@online.fr<br>&gt; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>&gt; Subject: LF: LF T/A [137] Come back of WD2XKO<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Hi  LF ,<br>&gt; Very pleasure to find the signal of WD2XKO at this new year !<br>&gt; Good signal last night , Joe !<br>&gt; 73 qro HNY , Jean-Pierre f1afj<br><br /><hr />Získejte výhody snadného sdílení fotografií poskytovaného slu¾bou Windows LiveT Fotografie. <a href='http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/photos.aspx' target='_new'>Mo¾nost pøetahování polo¾ek</a></body>
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capture xko
henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XKO 06-01 06.15utc.jpg

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Hello Mal, LF


In my case it is still snowing here, no way to keep the antenna tuned atm. S=
hort
high impedance antennas are tricky to keep happy. Just like me they prefer d=
ry
weather and clear skies :)

73's

Paul-Henrik

Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> This band seems to have gone vy quiet again after a burst of recent acty.=20=
Not
> even a grabber active.
>
> de mal/g3kev




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On 26/01/2009 at 12:04 Alan Melia wrote:

>Hi Mark, well at least your ISP does not seem to be blacklisted, because
>some are still like Laurence who I think has had to use a different ISP,
>because that mail got through. The spambots at some ISPs have been made
>very
>aggressive recently as a result of the "Child Protection pressure" The VLF
>Group I sub to was rated as an "adult site" because on poster named his
>design "Little Cutie" (It will be interesting to see it this gets through
>!!) There have also been problems with some ISPs where a mesage has refered
>to the gender of a coax connector !! You might find it interesting to
>re-read you failed message for "double entendres"

Sometimes the receiving ISP blocks all traffic from the sending ISP (eg att.=
net does not seem to like orange.fr nor wanadoo.fr and I have to use another=
 ISP).

Also be careful about how you describe a back-to-back pair of BNC sockets.

John F5VLF




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Hello Jim, LF,

> I think this shows that this mode should compete well with QRSS3 for readi=
bility.

I made a quick comparison a few days ago between a weak wspr signal and
QRSS-3. With Spectrum Lab, I added noise to the locally generated beacon
until no decoding. SNR below -28 db was not decoded, and it was a very
precise threshold.

Then, I just switched to QRSS-3, keeping the signal level at absolutely the
same level. Only faint traces could be seen on the waterfall with no
readibility at all. The noise had to be lowered by 2 to 3 dB in order to
read the QRSS-3 message.

73,

Michel f5wk


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Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot !!!.Thi=
nk how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB on rhe c=
arrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1
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Mal,

@ 2330 nice clear ARGO lines on 502.57 peak QSB for about 3 characters then=20=
down again, repeats...

QSW 7033


  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Mal,

  QRV 7033 now de Dave


    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    ok Jay
    Nil on ur freq either also listening on 7033 khz for calls USA maybe Dav=
e. On 7033 can hear a K4 STN so there is propagartion to USA
    MAL

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
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      Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:19 PM
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      Looking...nothing so far.

      Jay

        ----- Original Message -----=20
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        Hi Jay and Dave and MF=20
        Now qrv 502.57 khz g3kev qsk for qso's.  Gale blowing at present but=
 not having any effect on antennas.
        73 mal/g3kev



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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>@ 2330 nice clear ARGO lines on 502.57 peak QSB=20=
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about 3 characters then down again, repeats...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>QSW 7033</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Mal,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>QRV 7033 now de Dave</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">m=
al=20
    hamilton</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_=
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ok Jay</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nil on ur freq either also listening on=
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    khz for calls USA maybe Dave. On 7033 can hear a K4 STN so there is=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MAL</FONT></DIV>
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r: black"><B>From:</B>=20
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      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Looking...nothing so far.</FONT></DIV=
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        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A           title=3Drsgb=
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        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 200=
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        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 500 now</DIV>
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        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Jay and Dave and MF </FONT></DIV=
>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now qrv 502.57 khz g3kev qsk for=20
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        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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 Likewise, we enjoyed the CNN presentation too. Congratulations to all of you "over there" on the inauguration of your 44th President.

73 de Pat G4GVW (Felixstowe UK)


 


 

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: LF: PRESIDENT










Yes Mal and the occasion for much celebration (not to mention relief!) here.

73 Warren K2ORS


On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:10 PM, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
> I went QRT for a while to watch the inauguration of the new PRESIDENT of the
> USA on CNN. This was a splendit  presentation. Well done UNCLE SAM
> Now back to LF CW, is there anyone QRV
>
> 73 De Mal/g3kev
>



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<div> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Likewise, we enjoyed the CNN presentation too. Congratulations to all of you "over there" on the inauguration of your 44th President.<br>
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<pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>Yes Mal and the occasion for much celebration (not to mention relief!) here.<br>
<br>
73 Warren K2ORS<br>
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On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:10 PM, mal hamilton &lt;<a href="mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; I went QRT for a while to watch the inauguration of the new PRESIDENT of the<br>
&gt; USA on CNN. This was a splendit  presentation. Well done UNCLE SAM<br>
&gt; Now back to LF CW, is there anyone QRV<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 73 De Mal/g3kev<br>
&gt;<br>
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Gee I never thought I'd agree with Mal on something.

;-) Scott
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mal hamilton wrote:
>
> Taking up 1 khz bandwidth in a 3 khz slot.
> QRM GENERATOR
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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>
>> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>>
>> centre frequency  503 khz
>>
>> tx mode usb
>>
>> power 30 watts tune signal
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>> Will send for next few hours
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Hello Jim,

Don't do anything special, I was just wondering if there'd be some
signals around tonight. I've not tried 136 before, so it's all a new
ball-game.

I'll keep an eye on the band and see if anything appears.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV


 On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:46:20 -0000 "James Moritz"
<james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear John,
> 
> Can do, if you like... will need to wait until about 2000utc while I
> sort out some other things. Is that OK?
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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> 
> 
> > Jim, LF,
> >
> > Are you, or any others, going to run WSPR again tonight?
> >
> > I am setting up for RX only mode on 136 and WSPR is a gread way to
> > test and monitor things.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John
> > GM4SLV
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:19:59 -0000
> > "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear LF Group,
> >>
> >> I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/-
> >> (136.0kHz "dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any
> >> reports would be very welcome.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> >> 73 de M0BMU
> >>
> >>
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> 


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Hello Andy & LF,

I've just started receiving WSPR transmission from Andy G4JNT, first
decode seems to have been 0902 UTC

All spots are being uploaded to WSPRnet

Nice work, for daytime, almost 1100km, well done. 

Your WSPR signal impliesTX power of 0dBm - it that estimated ERP, or a
configuration error?

Cheers,

John


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Is there no privacy on this band ! - all  I was doing was going
through the various software packages, making sure they all give the
same drive level..  And yes they do, interestingly.   Must be designed
to give full scale on peak of waveform.


Andy  G4JNT
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2009/1/18 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>:
> Dear Andy,
>
> Copied your WSPR test just now. Reported frequency was 0.503500, so no
> problem there.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
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>


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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:51:00 -0000
"Lee Hudson" <hudsonville@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Hi LF Group,
>  
> Just been looking at the Database of tonights activity, and I'm
> reported at 700miles from GM4SLV

Not sure what the problem is?

Where are you Lee, in geographical terms?

Shetland is a LONG way from England - it's a long way from Scotland,
truth be told!


ps

I've started a grabber showing 503.5 - 504.1

and also

I notice strong traces on the WSPR waterfall at 503.900 from I believe
M0BMU, but very few decodes? I don't usually have a problem with Jim's
signal....

John



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Hello Victor

>AGC?
Yes. Thanks for the report!

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


> Strong signal with QSB,
> 
> 73
> 
> Victor


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Johan
I have mentioned this several times before but noone seems to know why 
strong signals or any visible signals do not DECODE. I get some decodes 
therefore I know my system is working but not sure whether the problem is at 
the TX or RX end. To me wspr seems unreliable given the strength of signals 
but producing only marginal decoded output.
73 de mal/gkev

----- Original Message ----- 
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>I too saw a quite strong signal last night which didn't decode. It was 
>around
> 503.97 kHz and almost as strong as M0BMU, who was perfectly audible most 
> of the
> time. There was no "banana effect" on the waterfall so it was stable 
> enough. I'd
> guess problem is caused by a soundcard sampling frequency error.
>
> 73
> Johan SM6LKM
>
> ----
>
> John P-G wrote:
>> I see others reporting inconsistent decodes of you on the chat page at
>> WSPRnet, so it's not just me.
>
>


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Dear all,

Yes, I can confirm that I have had a normal CW QSO with DK1KH on Dec
31st 2008 from 11.26 UTC to 12.30 UTC in the Munich area, about 100 km
apart, RST 579 on both ends. Transmitter power 100 watts each. This
time we have met on the lf band by chance.

Thanks for the DX reports from other stations via the DF6NM grabber.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB


"Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com> schrieb:
> Hi Andrey, Jim,
> 
> yes, Jim is right. Though I noticed this QSO too late to actually listen in, I believe they were DJ1ZB (orange) and DK1KH 
> (greenish).
> 
> Thanks also for looking for my unid dashes on 137.244. The moderate day/night fieldstrength difference suggests it must be a low 
> power source within groundwave range, perhaps only a couple of 100 km. Viewed in a high resolution spectrogram, the incoherent 
> dashes merge into a weak foggy strip about one Hz wide, which would hardly be recognizable further away.
> 
> Your DFCW transmission around 12:00 UT was actually visible here in broad daylight (screenshot colours cycled to yellow again).
> 
> Best wishes, and a very happy new year to all in the group
> 
> Markus, DF6NM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 8:06 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: 136.540 on DF6NM grabber
> 
> 
>  Dear Andrey, LF Group,
> 
>  It looks like two stations, in different directions from DF6NM, having a CW QSO.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrey RN3AGC" <rn3agc@mail.ru>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:36 PM
> Subject: LF: 136.540 on the grabber DF6NM
> 
> 
> Hello Markus, LF,
> Interesting signal from two directions. What is it?
> 
> 73
> Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV
> 



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No joy here.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:16 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 136K WSPR Monitoring


> Dear Vernon, LF Group,
> 
> I closed the beacon down at 0108utc.
> 
> Thanks for your interest - will try for a longer overnight session over the 
> next few days - but I really do need to do something about the antenna guy 
> ropes here first!
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Vernon Matheson" <vmath@eastlink.ca>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:57 AM
> Subject: LF: 136K WSPR Monitoring
> 
> 
>> Have set up to monitor 136K WSPR using 1200' longwire orientated E/W here 
>> in FN85ki Nova Scotia Canada.
>>
>> Will leave it on for a few days...not sure if reception is possible...you 
>> just never know :-)
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Vernon - VE1VDM
>> Greenfield NS
>> Canada
>>
>> 
> 
>


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Hi Hajo and LF
=C2=A0
But you still have the issue of Hi Impedance headphones. A Coherer allows yo=
u to switch a light or buzzer on and off. They are amazing in free state the=
y have a very high DC resistance (virtually open circuit)=C2=A0and once they=
 cohere it is virtually a dead short. But may be not as sensitive as a rusty=
 nail detector!=20
=C2=A0
There is a report of UK to Gibraltar using a 2.5kW Sparker on 350m and the R=
X being a Coherer. Not bad for Mechanical Radio!
=C2=A0
73 petefmt=C2=A0

--- On Tue, 6/1/09, hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de <hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-onlin=
e.de> wrote:

From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de <hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 11:42 PM


=C2=A0No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz.

73 DJ1ZB


=C2=A0"M0FMT" <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb:=20





Hi Mal and LF
=C2=A0
I am disapointed in you Mal to be=C2=A0considering an envelope detector. A t=
rue CW man, I would have thought,=C2=A0should only entertain the use of a Co=
here detector!
=C2=A0
Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a range 136=
kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a much la=
ger range of frequencies but not tested by me.
=C2=A0
http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm
=C2=A0
73 pefmt


=C2=A0


--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM





Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info from the web=
.
g3kev
=C2=A0

----- Original Message -----=20
From: riese-k3djc@juno.com=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


310113517964=C2=A0=C2=A0 E bay too
=C2=A0
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wri=
tes:

Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have had se=
veral requests for a circuit. To give=C2=A0others the opportunity=C2=A0to su=
bmit a cct I will await replies. This method=C2=A0was used successfully =C2=
=A0at Coldiz=C2=A0and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to MF/LF=20=
since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.
Build one and have a QSO using this RX
g3kev
=C2=A0
=C2=A0

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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"t=
op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Hi <SPAN>Hajo</SPAN> and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>But you still have the issue of Hi Impedance headphones. A Coherer allo=
ws you to switch a light or buzzer on and off. They are amazing in free stat=
e they have a very high DC resistance (virtually open circuit)&nbsp;and once=
 they cohere it is virtually a dead short. But may be not as sensitive as a=20=
rusty nail detector! </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>There is a report of UK to Gibraltar using a 2.5kW S<SPAN>parker</SPAN>=
 on 350m and the RX being a Coherer. Not bad for Mechanical Radio!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 petefmt&nbsp;<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-onli=
ne.de <I>&lt;hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de &lt;hajo.brandt.dj1=
zb@t-online.de&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX .... Try a Cohere?<BR>=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 11:42 PM=
<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv937260577><FONT face=3D"Times&#13;&#10;New&#13;&#10;Roman" colo=
r=3D#000000 size=3D3>&nbsp;No problem! Use MCW! Has been typical for 500 kHz=
.<BR><BR>73 DJ1ZB<BR><BR><BR></FONT>&nbsp;"M0FMT" &lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt;=20=
schrieb:=20
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<DIV>Hi Mal and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am disapointed in you Mal to be&nbsp;considering an envelope detector=
. A true CW man, I would have thought,&nbsp;should only entertain the use of=
 a Cohere detector!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a rang=
e 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a mu=
ch lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm" target=3D_blan=
k rel=3Dnofollow>http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 pefmt</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <I>&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.ne=
t&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Sub=
ject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Tu=
esday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv592381029>
<STYLE></STYLE>

<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone co=
nstruction. Not info from the web.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=
=3Driese-k3djc@juno.com href=3D"mailto:riese-k3djc@juno.com" target=3D_blank=
 rel=3Dnofollow>riese-k3djc@juno.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D_blank rel=3Dno=
follow>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58=20=
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Razor blade RX</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:=
g3kevmal@talktalk.net" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>g3kevmal@talktalk.net<=
/A>&gt; writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px; BORDER=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence w=
ire RX a while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give&nbsp;=
others the opportunity&nbsp;to submit a cct I will await replies. This metho=
d&nbsp;was used successfully &nbsp;at Coldiz&nbsp;and other POW camps to rec=
eive BBC broadcasts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let us know how you would approach the subj=
ect. This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were recei=
cved on these bands.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Build one and have a QSO using this RX</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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CHANGED T0  PSK31  CENT FREQ  503

20-30 HRS ,

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From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq

>
> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>
> centre frequency  503 khz
>
> tx mode usb
>
> power 30 watts tune signal
>
> Will send for next few hours
>
> Reports welcome
>
>
> Graham
>
>
>
>
>



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Good evening Alberto,

great, someone's out there watching! A good reason to switch it back on for another hour or so.

Thank you for reporting!

73 de Markus, DF6NM

----- Original Message ----- 
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 It looks like Markus has switched on his Tx...
 
 2220 -16  2.6   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
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 73  Alberto  I2PHD


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Ah!

Crystal sets! More of the joy of analog....

Doc,

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe
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Mal,

I did build a "crystal radio" with a razor blade as detector when I  
was 14 years old.
It had to be rusty to work properly and even then it was a very poor
detector.
And it is an AM detector, so not useable for ham signals on 500kHz.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


Quoting mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I   
> have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the   
> opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was   
> used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC   
> broadcasts.
> Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable   
> to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these   
> bands.
> Build one and have a QSO using this RX
> g3kev
>



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Ok Jim,

The drop is the pa  adding a 14 db pad ... dont quite see why as the peak 
power is only about 30% ...

are you seeing the same % decodes from each system ?

I will halt the olivia tx and change that over to  dominoex -fec

as from 21-40

G


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From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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>
> Dear Graham, LF Group,
>
> Still getting patchy copy with both Olivia and Domino EX11. The power 
> levels
> seem to have dropped abruptly and then returned at least twice during the
> course of your test.
>
> There does not seem to be a great difference between the two modes- I get
> some copy with either unless the signal has totally faded out, but it is
> hard to make a good comparison with only short CQ calls and rapidly 
> changing
> signal levels.
>
> An interesting experiment would be to compare the default domino EX11 mode
> with the same mode but with the FEC enabled. This would give a direct
> comparison between FEC and non-FEC modes
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>



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 Mal its staying on 90 slow. Im using the data/grabs for some research work=20=
on ground/sky Loran lines as well as the obvious.
=20
It will stay on this mode till the 15th Jan or so.
=20
Laurence
G4DMA East Grinstead W Sussex
=20
=20



From: g3kevmal@talktalk.netTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate: Tue, 6 Jan=20=
2009 18:11:57 +0000Subject: LF: Re: 137


Laurence
Speed it up to abt qrs30 or faster.=20
73 mal/g3kev
=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:16 AM
Subject: LF: 137
Markus thanks - I leave for London tomorrow but Im going to leave the SDR an=
d grabber/upload running here in freezing Tanggu China. Its as an "offered"=20=
service and I dont know how long my pc, wireless, dsl, server will stay conn=
ected, but hey a certain well known law always is activated when I leave to=20=
or from a place. To:  I dont have my LF gear with me and end up uptop a 80 s=
torey faraday cage of hotel with access to the roof..To:  I do have my LF ge=
ar with me and end up in a wooden framed hotel with no earth, RF balun type=20=
flourscent lights, multiple SMPSU;s and no internetFrom : I dont leave the g=
ear running and we have a marvellous LF opening say a K3 event after a long=20=
quiet spell per Jan 2003From: I do leave the gear running but the LF probe P=
SU catches fire or the local authorities take down the antennae to investiga=
te why the heck a baby bottle is sitting atop a fishing pole... You can pick=
 from any of the above but heres hoping it stays up for a while. Laurencehtt=
p://kl1x.comTanggu China OM89UA

From: markusvester@aol.comTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate: Mon, 5 Jan 2=
009 01:47:44 +0100Subject: LF: Re: other QRSS stations in jn49ax


Hello Marco and LF,
=20
the strong lower "Y" was actually my "NM", the real "Y" directly above that=20=
is RA3YO. Here is a list of frequencies observed this evening (Jan 4th):
=20
778.65  "RU"  RU6LA
778.26 /.36  "Y"  RA3YO
777.90 /778.00  "NM"  DF6NM
777.45 "WPF"  UA4WPF
776.22 /.32  "AGC"  RN3AGC
776.0  "S"  UA9CS ?
775.50  "WX"  DJ8WX
774.99  "DTL"  F4DTL
=20
As far as I could see, "RU", "Y", "WPF" and "S" were well readable at differ=
ent times on the Chinese KL1X screenshots. I was also pleased to see that "N=
M" at least managed to get a few singular dashes across between 21:55 and 22=
:13.
=20
Many thanks to Laurence for setting up his receiver and triggering all this=20=
activity!
=20
Kind regards=20
Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK
=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scholz, Marco=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:24 AM
Subject: LF: other QRSS stations in jn49ax

Hello,also good copy of AGC and very strong Y ~1.7Hz above agc. Not sure if=20=
the signal above the Y is RU in a slower mode as QRSS60?good night, vy73Marc=
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&nbsp;Mal its staying on 90 slow. Im using the data/grabs&nbsp;for some rese=
arch work on ground/sky&nbsp;Loran lines as well as the obvious.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
It will stay on this mode till the 15th Jan or so.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence<BR>
G4DMA&nbsp;East Grinstead W Sussex<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
<BR>&nbsp;<BR>

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<BR>
From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Tue=
, 6 Jan 2009 18:11:57 +0000<BR>Subject: LF: Re: 137<BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Laurence</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Speed it up to abt qrs30 or faster. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>73 mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px=
; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>F=
rom:</B> <A title=3Dhellozerohellozero@hotmail.com href=3D"mailto:hellozeroh=
ellozero@hotmail.com">Laurence BY3A-KL1X China</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 05, 2009 4:16 A=
M</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 137</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Markus thanks - I leave for London tomorrow but Im going to l=
eave the SDR and grabber/upload running here in freezing Tanggu China. Its a=
s an "offered" service and I dont know how long my pc, wireless, dsl, server=
 will stay connected, but hey a certain well known law always is activated w=
hen I leave to or from a place.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>To:&nbsp; I dont have my LF gea=
r with me and end up uptop a 80 storey faraday cage of hotel with access to=20=
the roof..<BR>To:&nbsp; I do have my LF gear with me and end up in a wooden=20=
framed hotel with no earth, RF balun type flourscent lights, multiple SMPSU;=
s and no internet<BR>From : I dont leave the gear running and we have a marv=
ellous LF opening say a K3 event after a long quiet spell per Jan 2003<BR>Fr=
om: I do leave the gear running but the LF probe PSU catches fire or the loc=
al authorities take down the antennae to investigate why the heck a baby bot=
tle is sitting atop a fishing pole...<BR>&nbsp;<BR>You can pick from any of=20=
the above but heres hoping it stays up for a while.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Laurence<BR=
><A href=3D"http://kl1x.com/">http://kl1x.com</A><BR>Tanggu China OM89UA<BR>=
<BR><BR>
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<BR>From: markusvester@aol.com<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date:=20=
Mon, 5 Jan 2009 01:47:44 +0100<BR>Subject: LF: Re: other QRSS stations in jn=
49ax<BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV>Hello Marco and LF,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>the strong lower "Y" was actually my "NM", the real "Y"&nbsp;directly a=
bove that is RA3YO.&nbsp;Here is a list of frequencies observed&nbsp;this ev=
ening (Jan 4th):</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>778.65&nbsp; "RU" &nbsp;RU6LA</DIV>
<DIV>778.26 /.36&nbsp; "Y" &nbsp;RA3YO</DIV>
<DIV>777.90 /778.00&nbsp; "NM"&nbsp; DF6NM</DIV>
<DIV>777.45 "WPF"&nbsp; UA4WPF</DIV>
<DIV>776.22 /.32 &nbsp;"AGC"&nbsp; RN3AGC</DIV>
<DIV>776.0&nbsp; "S"&nbsp; UA9CS ?</DIV>
<DIV>775.50&nbsp; "WX"&nbsp; DJ8WX</DIV>
<DIV>774.99&nbsp; "DTL"&nbsp; F4DTL</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>As far as I could see, "RU", "Y", "WPF" and "S" were well readable&nbsp=
;at different times on the Chinese KL1X screenshots.&nbsp;I was also&nbsp;pl=
eased to see that "NM" at least managed to&nbsp;get&nbsp;a few singular dash=
es&nbsp;across between 21:55 and 22:13.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Many thanks to Laurence for setting up his receiver and triggering all=20=
this activity!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Kind regards </DIV>
<DIV>Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>F=
rom:</B> <A title=3Dmarco.scholz@citi.com href=3D"mailto:marco.scholz@citi.c=
om">Scholz, Marco </A></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 05, 2009 12:24=20=
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: other QRSS stations in j=
n49ax</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_509531923-04012009>Hello,</S=
PAN><BR><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_509531923-04012009>also good copy of AGC and ver=
y strong Y ~1.7Hz above agc. Not sure if the signal above the Y is RU in a s=
lower mode as QRSS60?</SPAN><BR><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_509531923-04012009></SPA=
N><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_509531923-04012009>good night, vy73</SPAN><BR><SPAN cl=
ass=3DEC_EC_509531923-04012009>Marco</SPAN><BR><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_509531923=
-04012009>DD7PC</SPAN><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Hi Uwe, Jim and all,

according to my grabber screenshots, it looks as if the DJ8WX transmission had ended in the middle of a WSPR period at 21:45:48 UT.

Regards,
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----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dear Uwe, LF Group,
> 
> Still nil since 2124utc - if this is due to QSB, it is very long duration!
> 
> Looking at the decodes so far (see below), they are mostly quite close to 
> the lower limit of WSPR at around -33dB SNR. So if the SNR has deteriorated 
> a few dB, that could be why no more copy has occured. On the spectrogram, 
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> the sidebands from Lakihegy have increased by several dB.
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> Cheers, Jim Moritz
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That explains it - I did update that field at about the time the database
started to 'get it right'.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


2009/1/30 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>

> Dear Andy,
>
> The database seems to get the second letters from the uploaded data you
> enter in the setup > options menu in WSPR 1.01.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <
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> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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> Subject: Re: LF: WSPRNet
>
>
>
> It has decided to update my loc. now without having to do anything this
>> end!.   Wish it didn't use lower case second letters - that is not the
>> standard as defined by the Maidenhead committee!
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/30 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>>
>> I registerd with WSPRnet and it is showing me as a user. Have just
>>> uploaded
>>> the first spot.
>>> It still gives my loc. as IO90 and not IO90IV
>>> What's it got wrong.
>>>
>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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<div>That explains it - I did update that field at about the time the databa=
se started to &#39;get it right&#39;.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com">=
www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/1/30 James Moritz <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:james.moritz@btopenworld.com">james.moritz@btopenworld.com</a>=
&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Dear Andy,<br><br>The database see=
ms to get the second letters from the uploaded data you enter in the setup &=
gt; options menu in WSPR 1.01.<br>
<br>Cheers, Jim Moritz<br>73 de M0BMU<br><br>----- Original Message ----- Fr=
om: &quot;Andy Talbot&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com"=
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Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:31 PM<br>Subject: Re: LF: WSPRNet=20
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x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">It has decided to update my loc. n=
ow without having to do anything this<br>end!. &nbsp; Wish it didn&#39;t use=
 lower case second letters - that is not the<br>
standard as defined by the Maidenhead committee!<br><br>Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br>=
<a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br=
><br>2009/1/30 Andy Talbot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com"=20=
target=3D"_blank">andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I registerd with WSPRnet and it is=
 showing me as a user. Have just uploaded<br>the first spot.<br>It still giv=
es my loc. as IO90 and not IO90IV<br>
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Hi Lubos,

they are indeed Loran: The Russian chain on GRI 8000 (Slonim, Petrozavodsk,=20=
Simferopol, Bryansk, Syzran) has lines on multiples of 50000/8000 Hz =3D 6.2=
5 Hz. Here they are often visible in purple on the colour-RDF screen.

73 de Markus, DF6NM

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Lubos OK2BVG=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:26 PM
  Subject: LF: Unknown lines


  Hello LF!
  Does anybody know something about lines on the picture? They appear every=20=
day after sunset and disappear with sunrise. They are very stable and on the=
 accurate frequency. I know lines from Loran-C, but these lines are another=20=
else, I think.=20

  Thanks!

  Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Hi Lubos,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>they are indeed Loran: The Russian chain on GRI=20
8000&nbsp;(Slonim, Petrozavodsk, Simferopol, Bryansk,&nbsp;Syzran) has=20
lines&nbsp;on multiples of 50000/8000 Hz&nbsp;=3D 6.25 Hz.&nbsp;Here they=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>73 de </FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Markus, DF6NM</FONT>=
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  disappear with sunrise. They are very stable and on the accurate frequency=
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I moved up to 507 too.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>:

> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:08:45 -0500
> <jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> WE2XGR/2 will be in WSPR mode tonight starting 2030Z on dial
>> frequency 507.000 kHz.
>
> Hello Jay, LF,
>
> I've just retuned, to 507kHz dial, at 20:00 - I'm hoping to catch the
> first of your tranmsit periods and will continue through the night.
>
> RX setup is identical to the last test, same antenna/pre-amp etc...
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Lubos, Victor, Henny,

  Thanks all for the reports and captures!
--=20
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1




2009/1/29 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>:
> Hello Warren, LF!
> Nice signal some minutes before sunrise.
>
> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
>
> ________________________________
> St=E1hn=ECte si zcela nov=FD Messenger 2009! Klikni zde!

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Dave,

Thanks for that , That is close to the full beacon text .. did you take any 
of the mfsk ?

Tnx- G ..

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> Graham,
>
> Copied this just now. MultiPSK Olivia 8-250 mode
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England
>
> CQ CQ CQ DE...gnbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kk
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: LF: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING
> NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
> Follow on from last night , As the olivia system transmits tones in 
> parallel
> it requires a linear system,   however , MFSK is a single tone phase
> continuous  system , I am using   three applications of  multipsk running 
> on
> the same pc in beacon mode
>
> 8 tones are selected on the two modes  psk31 is added as a reference 
> signal
> and is not expected to  print as reliably
>
> All  3 modes are the same peak power level , set at the agc threshold ..
> about 10 watts per system at the moment . there may be a small change in
> level as each mode starts and stops , the differing beacon lengths' are
> resulting in the tx windows slowly shuffling.
>
> Note , the station is in continuous  TX due to  vox audio  drive levels
> producing alc preventing the power levels to  be normalised
>
> Running  3 mode beacon
>
> Dial set   502 khz usb
>
> 1000 hz  center   olivia  8 x 250 hz
>
> 1250 hz   psk31
>
> 1500 hz  MFSK  8
>
> Reports  welcome
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
> Io83LK
>
>
>
>
>



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Ok all I think that's reasonable ?

I will add a page to the group  and post links
in other news groups  to  it, should
widen the reporting base

>From the recent posts
I assume the beacon power will
represent ERP ?

I can make this statement on the page
If it all go's base over apex , there is the 'delete' key option

Rgds

Graham .



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Subject: LF: WSPR   502.400  Dial frequency ?

>
>
> Are we to  adopt  502.400 Hz  USB dial frequency for WSPR ?
> With  1500 Hz audio centre band tone.
>
> RF mid band   carrier frequency of  503.900 Hz ?
>
> With 6 hz modulation and phase continues  tone side bands and
> guard band are  not a issue, the band edge is protected?
>
> 504KHz  and its sidebands are actually  x2 of the fundamental
> so  should not present a problem as the 200 Hz slot is in a
> close in, dead zone, there amplitude increasing lower into the band,
> one of the reasons qrss and range testing takes place in this
> 'noisy' zone.
>
> I will add a  note to  the uk500khz group and links in others  with 
> details
> if
> acceptable to widen the reporting base.
>
> Tnx-
>
> Graham
>
> G0NBD
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G.

 

Dorothy Lamour (with Bing Crosby & Bob Hope)

 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6duJ9tfdmfA

 

And don't get carried away watching.

 

G.

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Subject: Re: *** SPAM ***LF: RE: First Linear data qso G4WGT / G0NBD

 

Ok Gary,

 

Looks like we are not alone ... hihi 

 

>>> on the road to linearity ... was that the one with Greta Garbo ? hihi 

 

 

 

From: Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>  

Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:59 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 

Subject: *** SPAM ***LF: RE: First Linear data qso G4WGT / G0NBD

 

Graham, LF,

 

Thanks for "Flying The Flag" for me.

 

I am very pleased to say the least that the transverter worked & that my
idea using the TS-440 to compliment the set also worked. Just need to iron
out a few wrinkles but making good progress now.

 

I would also like to thank Graham (G0NBD) for his help & advice during the
construction of my project.

 

I will in due course continue the documentation of my project on the
UK500KHZ web site :-

 

http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz

 

Good luck to others who venture on the road to linearity.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
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Subject: LF: First Linear data qso G4WGT / G0NBD

 

First Linear data qso  G4WGT / G0NBD

 

Congratulations are in order ! 

 

Gary has successfully tested his home made HF to 500 Tx converter and 500 to
HF Rx converter this evening, utilising a TS440 as the primary driver and
the TS440 power amplifier , producing 20 watts on 500 Khz 

 

A good steady signal using PSK31 was received by myself  during a short
exchange of reports on 503.6 Khz . 

 

This now raises the number of station capable of transmitting all modes on
500 to  three, notably each station deploying differing approaches.

 

G0NBD           Refurbished Military and Marine 

M0BMU          His own design Linear  class E system

G4WGT           Classic linear HF/MF  home made transverter

 

G .. 

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:1=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=3D2 face=
=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bol=
d'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk" title=
=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk&#10;CTRL + Click to follow link">Gary - G4WGT=
</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=3D2 face=
=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bol=
d'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Friday,
January 16, 2009 3:59 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bol=
d'>To:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
" title=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&#10;CTRL + Click to follow li=
nk">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=3D2 face=
=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bol=
d'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> *** SPAM
***LF: RE: First Linear data qso G4WGT / G0NBD<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Graham,
LF,<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Thanks
for &#8220;Flying The Flag&#8221; for me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I am
very pleased to say the least that the transverter worked &amp; that my idea
using the TS-440 to compliment the set also worked. Just need to iron out a=20=
few
wrinkles but making good progress now.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I would
also like to thank Graham (G0NBD) for his help &amp; advice during the
construction of my project.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>I will
in due course continue the documentation of my project on the UK500KHZ web s=
ite
:-<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><a href=
=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz">http://groups.google.com/group/=
uk500khz</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Good
luck to others who venture on the road to linearity.<o:p></o:p></span></font=
></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>73,<o:p>=
</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Gary -
G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

<hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabIndex=3D-1>

</span></font></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
t></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
me>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Graham<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 15 January 2009 23:08<b=
r>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"o=
n">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: First Linear dat=
a qso
G4WGT / G0NBD</span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>First Linear data qso&nbsp; G4WGT / G0NBD<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>Congratulations are in order ! <o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>Gary has successfully tested his home made HF to 500 Tx c=
onverter and
500 to HF Rx converter this evening, utilising a TS440 as the primary driver
and the TS440 power amplifier , producing 20 watts on 500 Khz <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>A good steady signal using PSK31 was received by myself&n=
bsp; during a
short exchange of reports on 503.6 Khz . <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>This now raises the number of station capable of transmit=
ting all modes
on 500 to&nbsp; three, notably each station deploying differing approaches.<=
o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>G0NBD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;
Refurbished Military and Marine <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>M0BMU&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; His own
design Linear&nbsp; class E system<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>G4WGT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;
Classic linear HF/MF&nbsp; home made transverter<o:p></o:p></span></font></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size: 12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>G .. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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Graham,
Your trace is just about visible on the WSPR spectrum display, but not quite 
loud enough to decode. maybe it will improve later. I would expect to decode 
you on the main antenna!
Amazing what the low power can achieve.
Regards
Mark GM4ISM
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> Still looks to  be working at range .. outstanding !
>
> all I can do  next is take the drive from the exciter direct to the Ae ?
> G ..
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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>
>>
>>
>> Ok All ,
>>
>> Well   from what I can measure  , power to the Ae is  500mW at the moment
>> as of about 20-25 hrs ...
>>
>> Initial level was 30 watts  feed
>>
>> See what happens ?
>>
>> G ..
>>
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Dear Jean-Pierre, LF Group,

Well, the TX is now switched off again - definitely, I checked! ... I see 
DF6NM is now QRV.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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Hello Jim , LF

James Moritz a écrit :
> Dear LF Group,
>
> The WSPR beacon is now QRT - I'm giving the electricity meter a rest :-)
Your beacon is not stopped, I receive his signal permanently

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj



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Hi Markus
This is what I am seeing vy strong here.
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello Paul-Henrik, Mal,
>
> the QRSS-3 "TT"s from OH1LSQ on 136.35 kHz are also clearly visible here.
>
> The long 100 s dashes on 136.309 are from myself, sending DFCW "NM" in the 
> hope to print on Laurences BY grabber again. This is
> currently monitoring a 136305.5 to 136311.5 Hz window.
>
> 73 de Markus, DF6NM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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>
> I can see this signal but no ID. Some one has just sent 2 long dashes.
> mal/g3kev
>
>
>


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Alberto
Are u still growing if so u should know why there is no decode
Too much imagination there is no wspr signal there
g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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>> Just started WSPR again, and see a nice bright trace at approx 503.965
>> in the 20:40 slot, but again no decode. I see no-one else reported a
>> successful decode on WSPRnet at that time either. Looks like still some
>> problem?
>
> Could it be that the station that does not decode, albeit being received
> strong, is not correctly time aligned ? Dimension4 is a very nice tool
> for this. And it is also free...
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
>
>


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Hallo Uwe,

Decoded so far:

1656 -27  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
1700 -26  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
1704 -25  1.6   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
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1804 -23  1.7   0.135976  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
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1928 -24  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
1932 -24  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
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2016 -30  1.5   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2020 -28  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2036 -29  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
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2044 -26  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2048 -24  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
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2056 -29  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2100 -30  1.4   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2104 -29  1.1   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
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2124 -29  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2128 -23  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2132 -25  1.3   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2136 -26  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2140 -31  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43
2144 -27  1.2   0.135975  0 73 DE DJ8WX JO43

73,

Michel / f5wk



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On LF  I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation as sugge=
sted by some. Two procedures are required with the mode. First it has to be=20=
detected then analyised and decoded into a print format to be viewed. Morse=20=
sent in the QRS mode at a suitable speed between 1 and 120 sec dot only requ=
ires one procedure, to be detected and viewed and would give a good indicati=
on of propagation whether used for QSO purposed or otherwise.

I have pointed out recently that I have observed all of the traces from thos=
e transmitting WSPR and had the carrier been directly keyed in QRS mode an I=
D or intellegence would have been conveyed, whereas only part of the time wa=
s the signals decoded in wspr. For those viewing the print format only and g=
etting no copy would never know whether the signall was being received or if=
 it was faulty sampling and decoding.=20

Cut out the second procedure of decoding, avoid ambiguity and use the slow k=
eyed carried method using morse code or murray code. A waterfall display and=
 the EYE is a very sensitive detector,=20
For those experimenting with data modes have fun but todate in the amateur r=
adio LF/MF context nothing yet has surpassed the use of slow morse keyed at=20=
a speed to suit one's needs ie propagation studies or communication between=20=
two stations.
mal/g3kev
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have pointed out recently that I have obs=
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ctly=20
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received or if it was&nbsp;faulty sampling and decoding. </FONT></DIV>
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ray=20
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</FONT></DIV>
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Dear Jay, LF Group,

Thanks for the trans-atlantic report. Although M0BMU does not seem to be 
powerful enough to allow consistent reception of WSPR across the pond, it 
does at least show that peaks in propagation occur often enough to allow 
some transmission of signals on most nights under the present conditions on 
the band.

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----- Original Message ----- 
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> Jim
>
> Only two decodes during the period although I started receiving late at 
> 0000Z and the RX antenna was carrying about 1/2 inch of ice.
>
> 090108 0340   3 -28   0.7   0.503510  M0BMU IO91 30
> 090108 0406   4 -28   0.6   0.503510  M0BMU IO91 30
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2



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Hi John and LF
=C2=A0
They say when you are trying to get out of a hole stop digging.
=C2=A0
You are right of course from recent reading 50Hz BW for CW (ON/OFF Keying) i=
s probably much lower than 12 WPM .... depressing isn't it?
=C2=A0
http://www.w8ji.com/cw_bandwidth_described.htm
http://www.eham.net/articles/16649
=C2=A0
To Warren
My reference to SSTV was to take the argument of spectrum usage in our (UK a=
llocation)=C2=A03kc/s bandwidth to an absurd level=C2=A0to make a point. We=20=
need to be able to conduct two way real time QSOs on the band without one st=
ation hogging the lot with a wide blocking beacon type transmission especial=
ly when stations have to co-exist in close physical proximity. In the Home C=
ounties we don't have the luxury of the wide open prairies of Canada and the=
 US between stations so some of us around here can have almost volts in our=20=
antennas from neighbouring stations.
I think I can hear the reply now, haven=E2=80=99t you guys heard of Hi Q ban=
d pass filters in the antenna input to the RX. Yes and that=E2=80=99s where=20=
my argument falls down, time to stop digging.
=C2=A0
Personally however, I think I would prefer to hear the CW =E2=80=9Cthumps=
=E2=80=9D that I could decode by ear than the unintelligible racket from a=20=
=E2=80=9CDATA=E2=80=9D transmission.....ho hum.
=C2=A0
73 de (depressed) petefmt

=C2=A0

--- On Mon, 5/1/09, John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote:

From: John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Silent majority
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 8:11 AM

On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:36:56 +0000 (GMT)
M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> =C2=A0I will start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s.

This will test the CW rise/fall time shaping of all these class
d/e home made manual telegraphy transmitters.=20

It will also require that the CW operators remain below 12wpm.

John






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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"t=
op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV id=3Dyiv362814419>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">Hi John and LF<?xml:namespace prefix =3D o ns =3D "urn:schemas-mic=
rosoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">They say when you are trying to get out of a hole stop digging.<o:=
p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">You are right of course from recent reading 50Hz BW for CW (ON/OFF=
 Keying) is probably much lower than 12 WPM .... depressing isn't it?<o:p></=
o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'"><A href=3D"http://www.w8ji.com/cw_bandwidth_described.htm">http://=
www.w8ji.com/cw_bandwidth_described.htm</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'"><A href=3D"http://www.eham.net/articles/16649">http://www.eham.net=
/articles/16649</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">To Warren<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">My reference to SSTV was to take the argument of spectrum usage in=
 our (UK allocation)&nbsp;3kc/s bandwidth to an absurd level&nbsp;to make a=20=
point. We need to be able to conduct two way real time QSOs on the band with=
out one station hogging the lot with a wide blocking beacon type transmissio=
n especially when stations have to co-exist in close physical proximity. In=20=
the Home Counties we don't have the luxury of the wide open prairies of Cana=
da and the US between stations so some of us around here can have almost vol=
ts in our antennas from neighbouring stations.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">I think I can hear the reply now, haven=E2=80=99t you guys heard o=
f Hi Q band pass filters in the antenna input to the RX. Yes and that=E2=80=
=99s where my argument falls down, time to stop digging.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></=
DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">Personally however, I think I would prefer to hear the CW =E2=80=
=9Cthumps=E2=80=9D that I could decode by ear than the unintelligible racket=
 from a =E2=80=9CDATA=E2=80=9D transmission.....ho hum.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></D=
IV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','san=
s-serif'">73 de (depressed) petefmt<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 5/1/09, John P-G <I>&lt;gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.u=
k&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: John P-G &lt;gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk&gt;<BR=
>Subject: Re: LF: Re: Silent majority<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR=
>Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 8:11 AM<BR><BR><PRE>On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:36=
:56 +0000 (GMT)
M0FMT &lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk&gt; wrote:

&gt; &nbsp;I will start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s.

This will test the CW rise/fall time shaping of all these class
d/e home made manual telegraphy transmitters.=20

It will also require that the CW operators remain below 12wpm.

John



</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></td></tr></table><br>



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Dear All,

M0BMU is now QRV overnight on WSPR 136.0kHz dial, 137.504kHz RF out. I 
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Loran. Any reports very welcome.

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WE2XGR/2 will be transmitting in WSPR mode tonight starting 2200Z on a dial 
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Hi All,
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henny pa3cpm
73s

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MessageJim, Wolf, LF,

Reception as follows:-

093600   7  10  1.1   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 27
094200   3 -21  1.5     1  0  DF0WD JO42 27
094400   7   8  1.2   -10  0  M0BMU IO91 27

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Scholz, Marco
  Sent: 17 January 2009 09:32
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: RE: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning


  Good morning,
  good reception of DF0WD
  092600  18 -11  0.9    11  0  DF0WD JO42 27
  092800   9 -20  0.6     0  0  M0BMU IO91 27

  vy73
  Marco
  DD7PC in JN49ax



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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of dl4yhf@freenet.de
  Sent: 17 January 2009 10:24
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests saturday morning


  Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,

  Many thanks for the WSPR activity.

  To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving sites.
  The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:

  0900  -7  0.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 27

  (automatic uploading of spots to
http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&
findreporter=&sort=date

  was off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.

  At the same period, the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB ...
13 dB less SNR than here at the club station, using the 200 meter wire
antenna. What a difference !
  I don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is frozen
still), but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems to be in
the same region as M0BMU.

  Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short while now.

  73,
    Wolf  DL4YHF ( @ df0wd,  JO42FD) .

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D039234609-17012009>Jim, Wolf,=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
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<BR>093600&nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; 10&nbsp; 1.1&nbsp;&nbsp; -10&nbsp; 0&nbsp; M0=
BMU=20
IO91 27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>094200&nbsp;&nbs=
p; 3=20
-21&nbsp; 1.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0&nbsp; DF0WD JO42=20
27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>094400&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
7&nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; 1.2&nbsp;&nbsp; -10&nbsp; 0&nbsp; M0BMU IO91=20
27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D039234609-17012009>73, Dave G=
3WCB=20
IO91RM</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTaho=
ma    size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Scholz, Mar=
co=20
  <BR><B>Sent:</B> 17 January 2009 09:32<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: 137 kHz WSPR tests=
=20
  saturday morning<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=
=3DArial    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Good morning,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=
=3DArial    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>good reception of DF0WD </FONT></SPAN><=
/DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009></SPAN><SPAN=20=
   class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>09=
2600&nbsp; 18=20
  -11&nbsp; 0.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 11&nbsp; 0&nbsp; DF0WD JO42=20
  27&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>092800&nbsp;&nbsp;=20=
9=20
  -20&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0&nbsp; M0BMU IO91 27=20
  </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=
=3DArial    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=
=3DArial    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>vy73</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=
=3DArial    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Marco</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=
=3DArial    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>DD7PC in </FONT></SPAN><SPAN    class=
=3D057413009-17012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff    size=3D2>JN49ax<=
/FONT></SPAN></DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff    size=3D2></FONT><BR=
>
  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
  <HR tabIndex=3D-1>
  <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o=
rg=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <B>On Behalf Of=20
  </B>dl4yhf@freenet.de<BR><B>Sent:</B> 17 January 2009 10:24<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: 137 kHz WSPR tests=20
  saturday morning<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>Greetings WSPR spotters and everyone,<BR><BR>Many thanks for th=
e=20
  WSPR activity.<BR><BR>To me, it was a nice way to compare two receiving=20
  sites.<BR>The first attempt to receive Jim at DF0WD showed:<BR><BR>0900&nb=
sp;=20
  -7&nbsp; 0.5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.137500&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 27<BR><BR>(automatic=20
  uploading of spots to=20
  http://www.wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=3Dhtml&amp;band=3D2190&amp;limit=
=3D50&amp;findcall=3D&amp;findreporter=3D&amp;sort=3Ddate<BR><BR>was=20
  off then, and Jim seems to have gone QRT by now.<BR><BR>At the same period=
,=20
  the SNR received at home (indoor loop) was -20 dB ... 13 dB less SNR than=20=
here=20
  at the club station, using the 200 meter wire antenna. What a difference=20
  !<BR>I don't know exactly what the ERP is here at the moment (ground is fr=
ozen=20
  still), but comparing Jim's report to the MEPT database, it seems to be in=
 the=20
  same region as M0BMU.<BR><BR>Will keep sending at 25 % TX for a short whil=
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Hello Dave, LF,

136kHz hasn't really interested me before, but I've been quite
successful in RX mode on 160m & 500khz, due to the favourable RF
environment up here in the wilds.

I wanted to see how I got on with 136, receiving, and WSPR is such a
useful tool for observing conditions. Jim's beacon is a handy source
for testing RX antennas!

I haven't really considered transmitting, as I really struggle for
vertical height for antenna supports. There are no trees or other tall
structures and in the severe gales we get here I'd really need to
engineer something substantial, and to be honest there are other things
I could be spending time and money on...!

My short fibreglass pole is a handy sky hook for short, experimental RX
antennas, but to get an efficient radiator for 136 is perhaps a step
too far for me.


Sorry to disappoint the DX hunters!

Cheers,

John





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"Dave G3WCB" <ganymede444@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> John,
> 
> Are you thinking of transmitting on 136 kHz, ever? You'd be quite a
> good "catch" on the band! Not many GMs around...
> 
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
> 


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Dear LF Group,

The WSPR beacon is now QRT - I'm giving the electricity meter a rest :-)

Thanks for all the reports yesterday / overnight.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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Hello Warren , Denis ,

Warren Ziegler a =E9crit :
> Dennis,
>
>           Europe 1 is off the air from 0000 to 01:30 UTC each night
Not 00:00 > 01: 30 , it is 00:00 > 03: 00 the cut of Europe 1 .
Hellisandur/Iceland is not too awkward if is used a directing antenna ,
At the beginning I did not believe in it ! one tested and that went to of
my hopes ! I attach a capture of  "VO1NA"  10W @ 3962 km ( just
at the time of the cut of Europe 1 )

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My reception of WE2XGR.
I lost internet connection so the spots were not uploaded after about
midnight.

Chris G3XVL (JO02NB) Ipswich Suffolk
using an inverted L 30ft  high, ICOM 706


2220 -27  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2222 -24  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2224 -27  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2226 -24  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2228 -23  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2230 -27  0.5   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2236 -29  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2238 -28  0.4   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2242 -28  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2244 -18  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2246 -18  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2248 -26  0.8   0.508515 -1 WE2XGR FN31 57
2250 -21  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2252 -21  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2254 -25  0.7   0.508516  1 WE2XGR FN31 57
2300 -27  0.7   0.508515 -1 WE2XGR FN31 57
2302 -22  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2304 -18  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2306 -18  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2308 -23  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2328 -28  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2336 -29  0.8   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2340 -23  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2342 -22  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2344 -22  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2346 -26  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2350 -25  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2352 -26  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2354 -26  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
2356 -26  0.8   0.508516  1 WE2XGR FN31 57
0000 -28  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0002 -25  0.8   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0004 -24  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0006 -27  0.7   0.508516  1 WE2XGR FN31 57
0008 -24  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0016 -27  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0032 -24  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0034 -24  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0036 -24  0.5   0.508515  1 WE2XGR FN31 57
0038 -27  0.6   0.508515 -1 WE2XGR FN31 57
0042 -27  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0056 -27  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0058 -23  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0100 -22  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0102 -22  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0104 -25  0.8   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0106 -25  0.5   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0108 -25  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0110 -25  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0112 -26  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0114 -26  0.5   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0118 -25  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0120 -24  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0122 -22  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0124 -26  0.8   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0134 -23  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0136 -27  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0138 -26  0.5   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0140 -24  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0142 -24  0.8   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0144 -26  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0148 -26  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0150 -22  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0152 -23  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0154 -24  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0156 -26  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0158 -23  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0200 -23  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0202 -24  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0204 -27  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0206 -26  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0208 -23  0.7   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0210 -25  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0220 -28  0.8   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0222 -25  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0226 -28  0.6   0.508515  1 WE2XGR FN31 57
0252 -28  0.5   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0254 -27  0.6   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0440 -27  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0444 -27  0.7   0.508515  0 WE2XGR FN31 57
0500 -25  0.6   0.508516  0 WE2XGR FN31 57

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My reception of WE2XGR.<br>I lost internet connection so the spots were not=20=
uploaded after about midnight.<br><br>Chris G3XVL (JO02NB) Ipswich Suffolk<b=
r>using an inverted L 30ft&nbsp; high, ICOM 706<br><br><br>2220 -27&nbsp; 0.=
7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
2222 -24&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2224 -27&n=
bsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2226 -24&nbsp; 0.6&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2228 -23&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2230 -27&nbsp; 0.5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
2236 -29&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2238 -28&n=
bsp; 0.4&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2242 -28&nbsp; 0.6&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2244 -18&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2246 -18&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
2248 -26&nbsp; 0.8&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515 -1 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2250 -21&nbsp;=20=
0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2252 -21&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&=
nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2254 -25&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.50=
8516&nbsp; 1 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2300 -27&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515 -1 WE=
2XGR FN31 57<br>
2302 -22&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2304 -18&n=
bsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2306 -18&nbsp; 0.6&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2308 -23&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2328 -28&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
2336 -29&nbsp; 0.8&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2340 -23&n=
bsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2342 -22&nbsp; 0.6&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2344 -22&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2346 -26&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
2350 -25&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2352 -26&n=
bsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2354 -26&nbsp; 0.6&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>2356 -26&nbsp; 0.8&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508516&nbsp; 1 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0000 -28&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
0002 -25&nbsp; 0.8&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0004 -24&n=
bsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0006 -27&nbsp; 0.7&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 1 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0008 -24&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0016 -27&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
0032 -24&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0034 -24&n=
bsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0036 -24&nbsp; 0.5&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 1 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0038 -27&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508515 -1 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0042 -27&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp;=
 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
0056 -27&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0058 -23&n=
bsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0100 -22&nbsp; 0.7&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0102 -22&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0104 -25&nbsp; 0.8&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
0106 -25&nbsp; 0.5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0108 -25&n=
bsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0110 -25&nbsp; 0.6&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0112 -26&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0114 -26&nbsp; 0.5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
0118 -25&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0120 -24&n=
bsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0122 -22&nbsp; 0.7&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0124 -26&nbsp; 0.8&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0134 -23&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
0136 -27&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0138 -26&n=
bsp; 0.5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0140 -24&nbsp; 0.6&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0142 -24&nbsp; 0.8&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0144 -26&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
0148 -26&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0150 -22&n=
bsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0152 -23&nbsp; 0.7&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0154 -24&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0156 -26&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
0158 -23&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0200 -23&n=
bsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0202 -24&nbsp; 0.6&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0204 -27&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0206 -26&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
0208 -23&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0210 -25&n=
bsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0220 -28&nbsp; 0.8&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0222 -25&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0226 -28&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&=
nbsp; 1 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
0252 -28&nbsp; 0.5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0254 -27&n=
bsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0440 -27&nbsp; 0.6&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0444 -27&nbsp; 0.7&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.508515&nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>0500 -25&nbsp; 0.6&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.508516&=
nbsp; 0 WE2XGR FN31 57<br>
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>From digital group 


Hi Graham

This is what I am receiving here in Norway on 502.4 KHz this evening.

212600 5 -26 0.7 -30 0 G4JNT IO90 23
213000 12 -15 1.2 -1 0 M0BMU IO91 30
213000 6 -23 0.4 66 0
213200 4 -20 0.6 66 0
213400 5 -25 0.6 -30 0 G4JNT IO90 23
213600 2 -20 0.6 66 0
213800 1 -28 0.7 -30 0
213800 9 -21 1.4 -1 0 M0BMU IO91 30
213800 4 -22 0.5 66 0
214600 12 -15 1.2 -1 0 M0BMU IO91 30
214800 2 -23 0.3 66 0

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The radio is an icom ic-r75

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I had just increased power back to 23dBm ERP then.   At the end of the QRP
tests there was just one station still reporting copy.


2009-01-30 22:24

G4JNT

0.503872

-19

0

IO90iv

+0

0.001

G0KTN

IO81ti

91

57

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com


2009/1/30 Piotr M=B3ynarski <sq7mpj@toya.net.pl>

> Andy Talbot wrote:
>
> ....
>
> The figures won't go below 0dBm  so they will no longer be a true
> representation of tx power.   WSPRnet is still reporting several listeners
> copying my sigs, now at -28dB S/N,  so will continue decreasing power a bi=
t
> longer.
>
>
> .....
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> Dear Andy, Jim, LF group
> looks like i 've got your wspr tx 'ing first time on my side..
> just a fragment of my wspr screen..
> 2300 -23  0.1   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
> 2306 -21  0.0   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
> 2310 -28  0.1   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
> 2310 -22  0.0   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
> 2314 -23 -0.1   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
> 2320 -21  0.1   0.503904  0 M0BMU IO91 30
>
> btw, Jim if you read this mail.. you've mentioned about a constant weak
> signal  around  950Hz
> i have also a constant  signal at  964 Hz  while you are here at 904 Hz as
> for its intensity  at jo91rs  both signals are "weak" i.e.
> it is comparable to your signal so it goes into -20's
>
> 73, peter, sq7mpj
>
> qth:  lodz, poland/jo91rs/
> p.s Andy , the qrb iis 1440 km (io90iv - jo91rs) as reported  by the
> wsprnet.org database
>
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<div>I had just&nbsp;increased power back to 23dBm ERP then.&nbsp;&nbsp; At=20=
the end of the QRP tests there was just one station still reporting copy.</d=
iv>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<tr>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"21%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p>2009-01-30 22:24 </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"8%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p>G4JNT </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"11%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p align=3D"right">0.503872 </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"5%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p align=3D"right">-19 </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"4%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p align=3D"right">0 </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"9%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p>IO90iv </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"5%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p align=3D"right">+0 </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"8%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p align=3D"right">0.001 </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"9%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p>G0KTN </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"9%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p>IO81ti </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"6%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p align=3D"right">91 </p></span></font></td>
<td valign=3D"center" width=3D"5%"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">
<p align=3D"right">57 </p></span></font></td></tr></tbody></table><br clear=
=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com">www.g4jnt.com<=
/a><br><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/1/30 Piotr M=B3ynarski <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:sq7mpj@toya.net.pl">sq7mpj@toya.net.pl</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">Andy Talbot wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite=3D"http://midfc7eccec0901301419w14f22806n763efc36373ad1d3@m=
ail.gmail.com" type=3D"cite">
<div>....<br></div>
<div class=3D"Ih2E3d">
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The figures won&#39;t&nbsp;go&nbsp;below 0dBm &nbsp;so they will no lon=
ger be a true representation of tx power.&nbsp;&nbsp; WSPRnet is still repor=
ting several listeners copying my sigs, now at -28dB S/N,&nbsp; so will cont=
inue decreasing power a bit longer.&nbsp; </div>

<div>&nbsp;</div><br></div>
<div>.....=20
<div class=3D"Ih2E3d"><br clear=3D"all">Andy &nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http:=
//www.g4jnt.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.g4jnt.com</a><br><br><br></div></div=
></blockquote><br>Dear Andy, Jim, LF group<br>looks like i &#39;ve got your=20=
wspr tx &#39;ing first time on my side..<br>
just a fragment of my wspr screen..<br>2300 -23&nbsp; 0.1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.5039=
04&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 30<br>2306 -21&nbsp; 0.0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.503904&nbsp; 0=20=
M0BMU IO91 30<br>2310 -28&nbsp; 0.1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.503874&nbsp; 0 G4JNT IO90=20=
23<br>2310 -22&nbsp; 0.0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.503904&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 30<br>2314=20=
-23 -0.1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.503904&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 30<br>
2320 -21&nbsp; 0.1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.503904&nbsp; 0 M0BMU IO91 30<br><br>btw, Ji=
m if you read this mail.. you&#39;ve mentioned about a constant weak signal&=
nbsp; around&nbsp; 950Hz<br>i have also a constant&nbsp; signal at&nbsp; 964=
 Hz&nbsp; while you are here at 904 Hz as for its intensity&nbsp; at jo91rs&=
nbsp; both signals are &quot;weak&quot; i.e. <br>
it is comparable to your signal so it goes into -20&#39;s<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 73, peter, sq7mpj<=
br><br>qth:&nbsp; lodz, poland/jo91rs/<br>p.s Andy , the qrb iis 1440 km (io=
90iv - jo91rs) as reported&nbsp; by the <a href=3D"http://wsprnet.org/" targ=
et=3D"_blank">wsprnet.org</a> database<br>
<br></div></blockquote></div><br>

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Dear LF group,

Also using WSPR 1.01 beacon software here - 100% decodes so far...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Same problem here Uwe

F4DTL JN18FP

Dans un e-mail daté du 09/01/2009 22:19:06 Paris, Madrid,
g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk a écrit :

Uwe,

Which WSPR version are you using Beacon or QSO?
I only  have Beacon version at the moment & no decodes here.

73
Gary -  G4WGT.







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John,

Are you thinking of transmitting on 136 kHz, ever? You'd be quite a good
"catch" on the band! Not many GMs around...

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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Hello Jim,

Don't do anything special, I was just wondering if there'd be some
signals around tonight. I've not tried 136 before, so it's all a new
ball-game.

I'll keep an eye on the band and see if anything appears.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV


 On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:46:20 -0000 "James Moritz"
<james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear John,
>
> Can do, if you like... will need to wait until about 2000utc while I
> sort out some other things. Is that OK?
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:27 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR beacon on 136kHz
>
>
> > Jim, LF,
> >
> > Are you, or any others, going to run WSPR again tonight?
> >
> > I am setting up for RX only mode on 136 and WSPR is a gread way to
> > test and monitor things.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John
> > GM4SLV
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:19:59 -0000
> > "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear LF Group,
> >>
> >> I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/-
> >> (136.0kHz "dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any
> >> reports would be very welcome.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> >> 73 de M0BMU
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>



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Jim

I think the mode should of been named   'ICARUS'

G ..

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>
> Dear Uwe, Markus,
>
> That would explain it too - nothing serious I hope...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
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> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:18 PM
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>
>
>> Hi Uwe, Jim and all,
>>
>> according to my grabber screenshots, it looks as if the DJ8WX 
>> transmission
>> had ended in the middle of a WSPR period at 21:45:48 UT.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Markus, DF6NM
>>
>
>
>



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Hello Joe ,
I listening tonight your beacon .
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

jcraig@mun.ca a =E9crit :
>
> Thanks to some FB WX on the week-end, the aerial has been repaired.
> The 10 watt QRSS 75 transmissions will resume tonight at 2300 UTC.
> Reports are most welcomed.
>
> 73 and GL
> Joe VO1NA
>
>
>
>

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And the protoype HeyPhone was tested on 73 kHz in Yorkshire (Birkwith Cave i=
f I recall correctly).  No-one complained.

John
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On 25/01/2009 at 18:52 mal hamilton wrote:

>Correct Andy and it is a pity that it closed. I called you several times
>on=20
>CW but you did not answer!!!!!!!!!!!! although I did hear a BUZZ and a
>BANG=20
>from you and always wondered what you were doing hi
>mal/g3kev
>
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:45 PM
>Subject: Re: LF: LF V MF
>
>
>> Now, 73kHz was a real MANs band - never worked you then, Mal.
>>
>> Andy  G4JNT
>> www.g4jnt.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/25 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>> It is reasonably easy to get going on 500 khz but 137 khz is a MAN'S=20
>>> band
>>> and the BOYS need to catch up. There were a few active this morning on=20
>>> 137
>>> khz and I am sure if approached they would gladly help the BOYS to get=20
>>> going
>>> on LF. If my information is correct RUSTY RAZOR has been listening on
>LF=20
>>> and
>>> I suppose that is a start !!
>>> g3kev
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Hi Jim,

Good signal here, also seeing Markus DF6NM faintly on the WSPR waterfall but
no decodes as yet.

090111 2114  32  -1  1.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090111 2118  31  -2  1.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090111 2124  29  -4  1.1   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090111 2132  30  -3  1.0   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0
090111 2140  32   0  0.2   0.137498  M0BMU IO91 23           0     1    0

Gary - G4WGT.


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Subject: LF: WSPR beacon on 136kHz

Dear LF Group,

I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/- (136.0kHz 
"dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any reports would be very 
welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 




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Old fashioned PA power...
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  ... Is that 5 KW  erp or Just plate input ?=20

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=20
Thanx dear John for this report.
=20
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F4DTL  Nicolas JN18FP
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Here is the weak signal for Mal. DI2AG on 505.090 beaconing.
73   Walter  DI2AG / DJ2LF

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
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Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR


> TNX G, guess it was a bogus sig that shows up here often...
>
> Also TU fer grabber url
If propagation remains as at presentr tonight is a good oppertunity for TR 
QSO'S
I will be QRV on 502.57 khz hopefully there will a few active from the USA.
Mal/g3kev

>
> Looks possibly good for tonight T/A with particle density @ 8.3 right 
> now??
>
> http://dx.qsl.net/propagation/propagation.html  Havn't figured this out
> yet...
>
> 73s from
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 8:52 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR
>
>
>>I don't think there is any 500 activity to  night ?
>>
>> This grabber is a good indication !
>>
>> http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/500-khz-grabbers
>>
>> G ..
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3@verizon.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:59 AM
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>> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR
>>
>>>
>>> Am I on the right track.??.
>>>
>>> Short of downloading the WSPR software, this is what I see tonight near
>>> 503.500...
>>>
>>> SpectraVue http://www.radiocom.net/600M/WSPR503500.bmp
>>>
>>> And on ARGO QRSS3 a few hertz below 503.5 =
>>> http://www.radiocom.net/600M/WSPR00000.jpg
>>>
>>> Looks louder and cleaner on QRSS10
>>>
>>> Lots of QRN tonight...
>>>
>>> Or is it just a birdy??
>>>
>>>
>>> TNX
>>>
>>> Dave @ WD2XSH/17  ( in the colonies )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
>>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Shouldn't they be marked as such by the program ? I have seen in the
>>>>> past
>>>>> some rows
>>>>> received by WSPR with the tag (bad msg)...  but maybe it catches only
>>>>> some of the errors...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1884 - Release Date: 
>>> 1/9/2009
>>> 08:38
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Thanks for all the reports

Quite a un-expected evening all round

73's

Graham ..


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Subject: LF: Low power olivia beacon  503 khz cent freq

>
> Olivia    1 khz x 32 tone
>
> centre frequency  503 khz
>
> tx mode usb
>
> power 30 watts tune signal
>
> Will send for next few hours
>
> Reports welcome
>
>
> Graham
>
>
>
>
>



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Greetings all,

Nothing seen / heard from OH here yet, but I'll keep looking.

> Someone has a good signal on 137.5 khz sending data.

And someone else has a good signal (unmodulated) on 137.517, masking another=
 (guess WSPR) transmission.

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Looks like 200Hz and 250Hz to me - looking at three spectrograms, amd
not even properly filling the spaces in between fully.  So occupied
bandwidth is less than spread.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
> Its not a few hundred hertz it is SEVERAL hundred hertz.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co=
m>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
> I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
> throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
> important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
> particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
> getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
> but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
> poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.
>
> So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
> over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
> fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
> much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
> QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
>>
>> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
>> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
>> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot"
>> <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
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>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>
>>
>>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>>
>>> OLIVIA :
>>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr-    CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K<FE
>>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B<L$:3i+/!=3D|XCZKh5.u'zBA8s!r9jU3,K_c<U=
q
>>> 8
>>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$
>>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3   5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d  g0nbd
>>> gnbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~
>>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+   CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nb=
d
>>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0
>>>
>>>
>>> MFSK8
>>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w  =D9*BwkiroN9 -in=F0?Sd=DB4=BFhIa lr
>>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog  rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez;  uETqioB Vae   n Ct W
>>> amSdeMe=D4dYbV*=C5=AD  ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq =BCeeawi=20=
i
>>> =C0thiei=9A=B8etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jt=9E;a=BA o=BAnJ=BAo
>>> a I=A4narLx=FDikc igq'<anel6
>>> rmmz e rke wxe=FBhC vo)o=B7dad=AA=8Begseey(v e vt sce\ wVsccon  t"tciu
>>> tt=A3h,iFtI=BCv lre=A6eek=FAn =80i z=E0=C2UP nve =BD=F9I t$   : nNe t  l=
ro&"t l=D6
>>> e=B7=F7RenuIoqemfep ,=A4esss=ADfer tt=EA oequea8  =A4d=A7]xaV=B0N~u=C7 p=
Abd  g0nbd
>>> g0nbd  f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg   =ADiefo&
>>> kD kk e e0enm o=A7 HbecOgh=C9o  eno fsewtit,es m=CCx=AAoitn 'Xei eaer=
=FEii
>>> lscktleea it=A5 nd=B7WmoEi=ADxirwn mdW=E3=A6 7euc eg%oa loPttst   CQ CQ=20=
CQ
>>> DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk rBt=F28e=E6 t=B6=ADknmm)mL   io 4=
Eek a
>>> oiiqa  o zt eoun cKldd=F98 =B0o9aZnz=E5ee  1  =B9tlTtii0q=3Di ielsaa nu=20=
0 mPn=FA=FFK
>>> =B3S=A2 iwX=E4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk x p=E2pg H Jant0n9=A8j=B7eoet n
>>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=F4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf(
>>> a=B1 rotet a=DC Foe2_vl=A7ms=ED t=CCk  t=3D l=C5 edCQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd =20=
g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd
>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd  g0nbd  g0nbd  kkk ohixe J =AB=F2ee
>>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>>
>>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>
>>
>>
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Warren Ziegler Ð¿Ð¸ÑˆÐµÑ‚:

>Thanks to Lubos, Victor, Henny, Dimitry, and Jean-Pierre for the
>reports and captures!
>
>  
>
Hi Warren
Today many traces from XGJ!

Dmitry


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Dear Mal, LF Group,

Mmmm... There is something called DFCW where high and low tones correspond 
to dashes and dots of Morse. That way you don't need to learn another code - 
it is also quicker because Morse characters have less than 7 1/2 symbols. 
Just imagine trying to work out all that figure shift/letter shift stuff 
when you have lost half the signal in the QRM!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

--- Original Message ----- 
From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>

....This would possibly be a good system to use if slowed down similar to 
QRS morse, with all the benefits.
You do not need a teleprinter or any sort of print display, just read it 
directly off the waterfall display, 1 ele start, 5 elements info, and 1 and 
1/2 elements stop. (total 7-1/2 elements per character) easy to ID and read.
73 mal/g3kev




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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:42:34 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear John,
> 
> Should be no problem, as everything is still in place from the
> weekend. I'll let you know when it is running.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
> 
Hi Jim,

1st TX period: -12dB!

Nice work!

John


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Yes Jim
I have all of this in mind, but I am not too concerned about the detail at 
present, just trying to observe the sig quality for qso purposes. I would 
like to try it some time on the TR path. The best method of course is one RX 
and both antennas fed to it via a mixer and each antenna input calibrated 
and equalised. Ideally each antenna should have a separation of 1 wavelength 
at least, but that is difficult considering the freq and space reqd.
I have seen this done on HF and it is vy impressive.
There are other ways if one had the time.
73 and tnx ur observations de mal/g3kev

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> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
> That is an interesting experiment - It would be interesting to know how 
> far
> apart the loops are to result in different fading patterns.
>
> I would be very wary in interpreting the results from two totally 
> different
> types of receiver - The SLM has essentially a fixed gain, while I see the
> IC-746 has a DSP "back end" with complex AGC loops acting on both analogue
> and digital parts. I guess the AGC in the IC746 is never totally disabled 
> in
> order to prevent overloading of the A/D converter. So that may explain why
> loop "B" has a more constant apparent output level. One check would be to
> swap over the antennas between receivers, and see what difference that 
> made.
> I suppose it would not be too difficult to have, say, a relay that 
> switched
> the same RX input between the two antennas, perhaps every 10 or 20s or so,
> with an attenuator pad to get the signal levels roughly equal. That way ,
> the comparison could be made with a single receiver.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> To: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:48 PM
> Subject: LF: Antenna Diversity
>
>
> LF/MF
> I am experimenting at present with antenna (space diversity) using two
> loops...
>
>


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Alberto di Bene wrote:
> Copied in the last hour, starting from 21:00 UTC
> 
> 2108 -28  1.6   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2116 -28  1.4   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2126 -22  1.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2132 -24  1.5   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2136 -23  1.5   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2142 -24  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2156 -29  1.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2202 -28  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 2210 -25  1.5   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
> 
> Rx : Perseus    Ant : Roelof mini-whip    Winrad ->VAC ->WSPR 1.01
> 
> Received in JN45sl,  QRB = 1025 km, 637 mi
> 
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD

After two hours :


2108 -28  1.6   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2116 -28  1.4   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2126 -22  1.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2132 -24  1.5   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2136 -23  1.5   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2142 -24  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2156 -29  1.6   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2202 -28  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2210 -25  1.5   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2216 -23  1.4   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2224 -23  1.5   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2240 -25  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2244 -26  1.2   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2252 -30  1.4   0.137500  0 M0BMU IO91 23  <=== -30 dB.....
2256 -29  1.2   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23
2302 -28  1.2   0.137499  0 M0BMU IO91 23



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Hello Andy,

If you want to see a REALLY ugly LF exciter, also with I/Q processing :
http://freenet-homepage.de/dl4yhf/phasing_lf_exciter/index.html


And, not as ugly as mine:
http://www.w1tag.com/Phasing.htm

John has achieved a carrier suppresion around 60 dB, or better.
A few notes about the software to drive it is also on this site.

Cheers,
  Wolf DL4YHF .


Andy Talbot schrieb:
> Direct soundcard to LF upconverter; image reject mixer with allpass
> phase network for a few hundred Hz bandwidth.
>
>            http://www.g4jnt.com/LFUpconv.pdf
>
> Around 40dBc sideband rejection, so a bit marginal for the
> perfectionist but probably difficult to do very much better without an
> awful lot of phase and amplitude tweaking.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
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>
>
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Hi Chris and LF
=C2=A0
It seems every action has unintended consequences. In writing the mail below=
 I was trying to make a point about the escalating use of band width per tra=
nsmission. That Olivia thing is wide plus side bands, as Mal said. If you or=
 I started using it, it=C2=A0really would mess up the band for both of us.=
=C2=A0Another mail said its OK because it is spread spectrum therefore we wo=
uld not notice it. That in my opinion is tosh because as we both know I can=20=
read your key up signal (and probably you can read mine) which means an SS s=
ignal will have to be blooming small as not to be worth radiating not to be=20=
heard or interfere with local stations. People seem to be carried away with=20=
modes that compete with each other like Wireless LAN etc but the principal d=
oes not in=C2=A0IMHO compute when in proximity to other single frequency=C2=
=A0Amateur Radio QSOing modes especially CW. That what I was trying to say!
=C2=A0
I take back any thing that I said that has offended you in any way and pleas=
e end your moratorium on 500kc/s activity. I did not want this unintended re=
sult of my mail=C2=A0trying to support Mal.=20
=C2=A0
This means I have had to retract nearly every thing I contributed on the sup=
port of narrow BW signals=C2=A0for 500kc/s. In future I will zip it!
=C2=A0
I am sorry Adrian has dropped 500kc/s however he does come up on 80m and=C2=
=A0I bet he will not be able to resist listening and doing x band=C2=A0=C2=
=A0contacts.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0
73 petefmt Zipped!!!
=C2=A0

--- On Thu, 8/1/09, Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LF: 500 kHz - Silent majority
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Thursday, 8 January, 2009, 9:02 AM






I deduce that my (fairly) frequent transmissions on MF may be causing
some annoyance and inconvenience to local stations.
=C2=A0
Consequently I shall be QRT on 500 kHz for the remainder of this month.
This will give local stations an opportunity to use=C2=A0a quiet band withou=
t
G3XIZ QRM.
=C2=A0
I must report that sadly Adrian G4GDR has dismantled his MF equipment
and=C2=A0returned his N.O.V.=C2=A0to OfCom.
He was an active and keen MF operator and constructor but has lost interest=20=
due
to lack of activity.
I for one will miss him.
=C2=A0
73 Chris G3XIZ
=C2=A0

=C2=A0




From: Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 5 January, 2009 22:22:55
Subject: RE: LF: Re: Silent majority

=EF=BB=BF=20
Dear LF,=20
=C2=A0
Geri DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 137 kHz=
 a few years back.=20
=C2=A0
Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler too=C2=A0;-)
=C2=A0
Follow the link below:-=20
=C2=A0
http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html
=C2=A0
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
=C2=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep..org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org]On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 05 January 2009 02:37
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep..org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Silent majority






Hi LF=20

Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experimentation=20=
of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off the Int=
ernet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a 1000 w=
ords. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the world=
 by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.=C2=A0 The result may be a bit more i=
nteresting than the shopping lists of stations worked, equipment lists and r=
ig specifications that get churned out ad nauseam over the weekends.=20

I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op friends wo=
uld feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.=20

No, the above suggestion is ridiculous. It does however, Einstein, Planck et=
 al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum bandwidth for=
 the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band? =C2=A0I will s=
tart the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed with=20=
less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then hand=20=
shaking could be introduced to ensure error free data transfer a bit like X2=
5 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max. =C2=
=A0We need to think outside the box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable mode=
s onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co with all due respect to Alber=
to (who I admire immensely for his great innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT proc=
essing software) I think, =C2=A0is over the top. Nobody is into book burning=
 and denial of spectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play wi=
th here in the UK. =C2=A0I consider myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operato=
r not a
 highflying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D radio spectrum quantum mechanic, but=20=
I would hope we are trying to do more with less and I don=E2=80=99t think Ol=
ivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I would expec=
t one of the cardinal points in their specification, along with very narrow=20=
BW, to be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the effect on adjace=
nt stations not running that particular mode.=20

In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming there a=
re any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narrow ban=
d data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.=20

Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground.=20

Vy 73 petefmt=20


--- On Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net> wrote:

From: Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
Subject: LF: Re: Silent majority
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM

Steve McDonald wrote:
>> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
>> taken place on MF.
>=20
> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
> Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
> wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
> What an amazing gift.
>=20
> VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science.... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD









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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It seems every action has unintended consequences. In writing the mail=20=
below I was trying to make a point about the escalating use of band width pe=
r transmission. That Olivia thing is wide plus side bands, as Mal said. If y=
ou or I started using it, it&nbsp;really would mess up the band for both of=20=
us.&nbsp;Another mail said its OK because it is <SPAN>spread</SPAN> spectrum=
 therefore we would not notice it. That in my opinion is tosh because as we=20=
both know I can read your key up signal (and probably you can read mine) whi=
ch means an SS signal will have to be blooming small as not to be worth radi=
ating not to be heard or interfere with local stations. People seem to be ca=
rried away with modes that compete with each other like Wireless LAN etc but=
 the principal does not in&nbsp;IMHO compute when in proximity to other sing=
le frequency&nbsp;Amateur Radio QSOing modes especially CW. That what I was=20=
trying to say!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I take back any thing that I said that has offended you in any way and=20=
please end your moratorium on 500kc/s activity. I did not want this unintend=
ed result of my mail&nbsp;trying to support Mal. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>This means I have had to retract nearly every thing I contributed on th=
e support of narrow BW signals&nbsp;for 500kc/s. In future I will zip it!</D=
IV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am sorry Adrian has dropped 500kc/s however he does come up on 80m an=
d&nbsp;I bet he will not be able to resist listening and doing x band&nbsp;&=
nbsp;contacts.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 <SPAN>petefmt</SPAN> Zipped!!!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 8/1/09, Chris Osborn <I>&lt;g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk&gt;</I=
></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: Chris Osborn &lt;g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk&gt;<BR>Subject=
: LF: 500 kHz - Silent majority<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date:=
 Thursday, 8 January, 2009, 9:02 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1302246321>
<STYLE type=3Dtext/css><!--#yiv1302246321 DIV {margin:0px;}--></STYLE>

<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times=
, serif">
<DIV>I deduce that my (fairly) frequent transmissions on MF may be causing</=
DIV>
<DIV>some annoyance and inconvenience to local stations.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Consequently I shall be QRT on 500 kHz for the remainder of this month.=
</DIV>
<DIV>This will give local stations an opportunity to use&nbsp;a quiet band w=
ithout</DIV>
<DIV>G3XIZ QRM.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I must report that sadly Adrian G4GDR has dismantled his MF equipment</=
DIV>
<DIV>and&nbsp;returned his N.O.V.&nbsp;to OfCom.</DIV>
<DIV>He was an active and keen MF operator and constructor but has lost inte=
rest due</DIV>
<DIV>to lack of activity.</DIV>
<DIV>I for one will miss him.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 Chris G3XIZ</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times=
, serif"><BR>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times=
, serif"><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>
<HR SIZE=3D1>
<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Dave G3WCB &lt;ganymed=
e444@btopenworld.com&gt;<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN><=
/B> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sen=
t:</SPAN></B> Monday, 5 January, 2009 22:22:55<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEI=
GHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: LF: Re: Silent majority<BR></FONT><BR>=
=EF=BB=BF=20
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Dear LF, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Geri DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 1=
37 kHz a few years back. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler too&nbsp;;-=
)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>Follow the link below:-=20
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2><A href=3D"http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnof=
ollow>http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SPAN>=
</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D219212220-05012009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2><A href=3D"http://www.qru.de/slowvoice.html" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnof=
ollow></A></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTahoma=
 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-rsgb_lf_group@bla=
cksheep..org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>=
M0FMT<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 January 2009 02:37<BR><B>To:</B> rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep..org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Re: Silent majority<BR><BR></FONT></D=
IV>
<TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 border=3D0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Hi LF</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experiment=
ation of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off t=
he Internet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a=20=
1000 words. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the=
 world by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.<SPAN>&nbsp; </SPAN>The result=20=
may be a bit more interesting than the shopping lists of stations worked, eq=
uipment lists and rig specifications that get churned out </FONT><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',=20=
'sans-serif'">ad nauseam</SPAN><FONT face=3DCalibri size=3D3> over the weeke=
nds.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op frie=
nds would feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3><U>No, the above suggestion is ridiculous.</U> It does however, Einste=
in, Planck et al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum=20=
bandwidth for the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band? <=
SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>I will start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than=20=
50c/s. G3PLX managed with less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN iss=
ue on this band then hand shaking could be introduced to ensure error free d=
ata transfer a bit like X25 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow band=
width say 50c/s max. <SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>We need to think outside the box and=
 not try to shoe horn unsuitable modes onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck=
 and co with all due respect to Alberto (who I admire immensely for his grea=
t innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT processing software) I think, <SPAN>&nbsp;<=
/SPAN>is over the top. Nobody is into book burning and denial of
 spectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play with here in the=
 UK. <SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>I consider myself a =E2=80=9Cgrunt=E2=80=9D operator=
 not a highflying =E2=80=9CEinstein=E2=80=9D radio spectrum quantum mechanic=
, but I would hope we are trying to do more with less and I don=E2=80=99t th=
ink Olivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I would=
 expect one of the cardinal points in their specification, along with very n=
arrow BW, to be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the effect on=20=
adjacent stations not running that particular mode.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming t=
here are any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narr=
ow band data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground=
.</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri siz=
e=3D3>Vy 73 petefmt</FONT>=20
<DIV></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <I>&lt;dibene@usa.=
net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: Alberto di Bene &lt;dibene@usa.net&gt;<BR>Subject=
: LF: Re: Silent majority<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Monda=
y, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Steve McDonald wrote:
&gt;&gt; There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
already
&gt;&gt; taken place on MF.
&gt;=20
&gt; There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now=
 as
&gt; Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
&gt; wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently do=
es.
&gt; What an amazing gift.
&gt;=20
&gt; VE7SL / Steve

This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that ther=
e
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrot=
e:

=E2=80=9CWhen I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought adv=
ice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science.... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries=E2=80=9D.

The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></=
DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>



     =20

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Dear Dave,

Wasn't me... but it might be soon - I have just put the beacon on at 
0000utc! Any overnight reports would be very welcome.

In the light of Dave's experience, and presumably others in NE USA, it might 
be a good idea to move the WSPR centre frequency down slightly...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> ID sideband from NDB station 400 miles down the coast is blasting in 
> tonight and making false decodes in the 503.900 window so I nudged the 200 
> window down a bit and see that M0BMU is making some lines in all this rain 
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Jim, LF,

Are you, or any others, going to run WSPR again tonight?

I am setting up for RX only mode on 136 and WSPR is a gread way to test
and monitor things.

Cheers,

John 
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:19:59 -0000
"James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
> 
> I am now transmitting a test WSPR beacon signal on 137.50kHz +/-
> (136.0kHz "dial frequency"), at 33% TX, about 300mW ERP. Any reports
> would be very welcome.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Hi all,very strong,audible signal at 137.5 KHz,

73
Victor
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Hello LF ,

Good activity last night , RA3YO , UA4WPF , RN3AGC , DF6NM , WD2XKO , 
WD2 XGJ ,
Large thank you in all , Laurence ( KL1X ) , your grabber is really a 
super "motivator" !

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj


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Paul
Nice signal now daytime 1530 utc solid OOO copy
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- 
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Hello LF

Will continue the transmission on 136.80kHz over the evening and night.


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD


Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> Hello LF!
>
> Transmitting CW ID + QRSS3 ID on 136.80kHz.
>
>
> Again, thanks for all reports on last night's activity.
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
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Dear Dennis,

It appears TF3HZ is copying myself and G0NBD in Iceland on 503.xxkHz WSPR 
tonight, so some sigs going the other way also...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Hi!
>
> Really nice radio reception of Hellissandur 189kHz AM now in Berlin!



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Hello Warren, Anatolij, LF!
There were quite different conditions as the one night before. Morning RX wi=
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Hello Warren, Anatolij, LF!<br>There were quite different conditions as the=20=
one night before. Morning RX window was&nbsp; not strong, but one FB window=20=
around midnight UT.<br>XGJ is still running with low-power? UFB signal this=20=
night!<br>&nbsp;<br>Lubos, OK2BVG<br><br><br /><hr />St=E1hn=ECte si zcela n=
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Gerhard
I will lookout for you. I will be on 136.8 khz but always search the band fo=
r acty. I worked F6BWO today. I have worked OE and DL many times some years=20=
back.
73 de mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Beckmann, Gerhard=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:22 PM
  Subject: AW: LF: 137


  Mal,

  Thanks for info, but I will be QRV on LF at Sunday morning at the same tim=
e as Heinz, OE5EEP;

  best  73 de Gerhard  /  DK6NI

  =20

  =20


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  Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 10:15
  An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Betreff: Re: LF: 137

  =20

  Gerhard

  Nil hrd so far at 0900 utc this morning. Now qrv on 136.8 khz cw

  mal/g3kev

  =20

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: Beckmann, Gerhard=20

    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

    Cc: 'H. Schnait'=20

    Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:46 PM

    Subject: AW: LF: 137

    =20

    Hello Heinz,

    =20

    I also will be QRV on 136.5 kHz next Sunday morning and try to call you=20=
(if weather is not too bad regarding my outdoor-loading coil, hi)=20

    We had already some QSO's on LF some years ago (hi).

    Hopefully that the LF-activities are increasing...

    =20

    vy 73 de Gerhard  /  DK6NI

    =20

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    Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Januar 2009 16:49
    An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
    Betreff: Re: LF: 137

    =20

    this should be 136.5kHz of course...

    73 Heinz

    Heinz Schnait schrieb:=20

    I will be QRV on 137.5kHz in regular CW on Sunday morning, abt. 08.00 -=20=
11.00 UTC

    Heinz, OE5EEP

    =20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gerhard</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will lookout for you. I will be on 136.8=20=
khz but=20
always search the band for acty. I worked F6BWO today. I have worked OE and=20=
DL=20
many times some years back.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dbeckmann.erlangen@freenet.de     href=3D"mailto:beckmann.erlang=
en@freenet.de">Beckmann, Gerhard</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:=
22=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> AW: LF: 137</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
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=3DEN-GB     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Mal,=
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Y: Arial"> Friday,=20
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  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hello=20
    Heinz,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN    =20=
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I=20=
also will be QRV=20
    on 136.5 kHz next Sunday morning and try to call you (if weather is not=20=
too=20
    bad regarding my outdoor-loading coil, hi) <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We=
 had already some=20
    QSO=92s on LF some years ago (hi).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ho=
pefully that the=20
    LF-activities are increasing=85..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">vy=
 73 de=20
    Gerhard&nbsp; /&nbsp; DK6NI<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D</SPAN></FONT><SPAN       lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</SPAN><FONT face=
=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB       style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=20=
10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <DIV>
    <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><FONT=
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: windowtext">
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    </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=
       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-=
FAMILY: Tahoma">Von:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT       face=3DTahoma color=3Dblac=
k size=3D2><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAM=
ILY: Tahoma"> <A       href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">ow=
ner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
    [mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName       w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org</st1:PersonName>] <B><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Im Auftrag=
 von </SPAN></B>H. Schnait<BR><B><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Ges=
endet:</SPAN></B> Freitag, 23. Januar 2009=20
    16:49<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</SPAN></B> <st1:Person=
Name       w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><BR><B><=
SPAN       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Betreff:</SPAN></B> Re: LF: 137</SPAN=
></FONT><FONT       color=3Dblack><SPAN       style=3D"COLOR: windowtext"><o=
:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=
=3D3><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></=
P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=
=3D3><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">this should be 136.5kHz of course=
...<BR><BR>73=20
    Heinz<BR><BR>Heinz Schnait schrieb: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=3D"Times N=
ew Roman"       color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I wil=
l be QRV on 137.5kHz=20
    in regular CW on Sunday morning, abt. 08.00 - 11.00 UTC<BR><BR>Heinz,=20
    OE5EEP<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=
=3D3><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></=
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=
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ound in this=20
    incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <BR>Version:=20
    8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1910 - Release Date: 1/22/2009 6:28=20
    PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
  <P>
  <HR>

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Dear Marco, LF Group,

OK, thanks for looking - M0BMU WSPR will remain QRV, but may have to QRT if 
wind speed increases, due to fragile antenna!

Still good 100% copy of DF6NM here...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR beacon on 136kHz


> Still copying DF6NM, but only a faint trace of M0BMU.
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Hi Mal and LF
=C2=A0
I am disapointed in you Mal to be=C2=A0considering an envelope detector. A t=
rue CW man, I would have thought,=C2=A0should only entertain the use of a Co=
here detector!
=C2=A0
Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a range 136=
kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a much la=
ger range of frequencies but not tested by me.
=C2=A0
http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm
=C2=A0
73 pefmt
=C2=A0


--- On Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM





Your own cct and ideas and the headphone construction. Not info from the web=
.
g3kev
=C2=A0

----- Original Message -----=20
From: riese-k3djc@juno.com=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX


310113517964=C2=A0=C2=A0 E bay too
=C2=A0
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wri=
tes:

Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have had se=
veral requests for a circuit. To give=C2=A0others the opportunity=C2=A0to su=
bmit a cct I will await replies. This method=C2=A0was used successfully =C2=
=A0at Coldiz=C2=A0and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to MF/LF=20=
since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.
Build one and have a QSO using this RX
g3kev
=C2=A0
=C2=A0

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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"t=
op" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Hi Mal and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am disapointed in you Mal to be&nbsp;considering an envelope detector=
. A true CW man, I would have thought,&nbsp;should only entertain the use of=
 a Cohere detector!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Having played with them, I was surprised how well they work over a rang=
e 136kc/s to 433mc/s (the extent of my power RF O/P) probably work over a mu=
ch lager range of frequencies but not tested by me.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm">http://home.ea=
rthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 pefmt</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/1/09, mal hamilton <I>&lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.ne=
t&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(1=
6,16,255) 2px solid">From: mal hamilton &lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net&gt;<BR>Sub=
ject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Tu=
esday, 6 January, 2009, 9:21 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv592381029>
<STYLE></STYLE>

<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your own cct and ideas and the headphone co=
nstruction. Not info from the web.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px=
; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=
=3Driese-k3djc@juno.com href=3D"mailto:riese-k3djc@juno.com" target=3D_blank=
 rel=3Dnofollow>riese-k3djc@juno.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D_blank rel=3Dno=
follow>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:58=20=
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Razor blade RX</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>310113517964&nbsp;&nbsp; E bay too</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00:45 -0000 "mal hamilton" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:=
g3kevmal@talktalk.net" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>g3kevmal@talktalk.net<=
/A>&gt; writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px; BORDER=
-LEFT: #000000 2px solid">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence w=
ire RX a while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give&nbsp;=
others the opportunity&nbsp;to submit a cct I will await replies. This metho=
d&nbsp;was used successfully &nbsp;at Coldiz&nbsp;and other POW camps to rec=
eive BBC broadcasts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let us know how you would approach the subj=
ect. This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were recei=
cved on these bands.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Build one and have a QSO using this RX</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>g3kev</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=3DTimes-New-Roman size=3D2><BR><BR>=
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<DIV>
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Even the GRABBERS have gone QRT !!!!
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Dear Wolf, LF Group,

Tnx for reports - It seems WSPR can take a few minutes before it completes 
processing of the received sigs. I think this may be because it is searching 
200Hz of bandwidth for potentially a large number of simultaneous signals, 
so has to do more processing.

Also, many thanks to F5WK, NL9222, IK0ODO, F4EMV, G4WGT, and anyone else who 
is listening for the test - will keep it running for a few hours yet and see 
what happens.

Rig here is running 900W from IC718, transverter, and Decca PA into the 
usual 10m high, 40m long inv L antenna. RX is via 4m x 5m wire loop antenna. 
QTH is near Hatfield, Loc IO91VR.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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John,

if you run 1 W ERP from a small antenna it will be about 10 hours.
But if you run 1 W ERP from a big antenna it will take far less time ;-)

73, Rik ON7YD


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>Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> wrote:
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> > And a good part of our solar system would be in the near field.
> > Mal would have to contact Pluto before he could claim a DX ;-)
> >
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>What's the "out and back" time for a message to Pluto?
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>Might be a long wait to find out "it's not raining also"
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>John


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Thanks to some FB WX on the week-end, the aerial has been repaired.
The 10 watt QRSS 75 transmissions will resume tonight at 2300 UTC.
Reports are most welcomed.

73 and GL
Joe VO1NA



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Jim

Only two decodes during the period although I started receiving late at 0000Z and the RX antenna was 
carrying about 1/2 inch of ice.

090108 0340   3 -28   0.7   0.503510  M0BMU IO91 30
090108 0406   4 -28   0.6   0.503510  M0BMU IO91 30

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2



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From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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> Dear LF Group,
>
> The WSPR beacon operated from about 2200 to 0800utc, and the ERP was 1W. Thanks for the reports, 
> including from GM4ISM, M0LMH, G0NBD, F4DTL, F4EMV, G4CAO, G3WCB and DD7PC, and also thanks to 
> others who were listening, including KU4XR - there will be future opportunities!
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 



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Subject: LF: Re: QRG & MSG UPDATE: 136kHz test from OH1LSQ
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Dear Paul-Henrik,

Now copying your QRSS3 - see attachment. Signal is recovering from QSB.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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John, LF,

What a clever database, I had not realised & not done any research so thanks
for the info.

Should be on again tonight all being well with my new (M0BMU) buffer amp,
the SBL-3 mixer seems to work better than the SA602 producing a cleaner
output at a better level.

All will be documented in due course on the UK500KHZ web site :-

http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz

and on my web site at :-

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.

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Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR 502.400 Dial frequency ?

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:28:19 -0000
"Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> John, LF,
> 
> I note that Jim's WSPR is showing 4 locator characters on my WSPR
> list but 6 on the spots page.
> 
> Gary - G4WGT.
> 

Hello Gary, LF

WSPR itself only transmits the 4-figures (eg IO90) but if you enter all
6 in the options dialogue of the software (along with your correct
callsign, NOT K1JT - hi!)  then any spots you report to WSPRnet will be
tagged with your 6-figure locator (as a receiving station). Furthermore
it appears that the database at WSPRnet is clever enough to apply that
6-figure locator to any spots others make of your own transmissions....

If you notice Andy's reports all show him simply as "IO90" - when most
other people are 6-figure accurate. I can only assume it's because he's
never sent a spot to the database as a RX station, with his accurate
6-figure locator attached. If he did so then all later reports of HIS
signal would be 6-figure accurate too, due to the database cleverness.

Not really a problem, but it aids accurate distance calculation.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV



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Hello Markus, LF,
The beginning and the termination of your transmission..

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Thought I had a false decode of Jim .. but it was real hi

090128 0010  18 -13  0.9   0.503930  M0LMH IO93 10           0     1    0
090128 0012  34   3  0.6   0.503900  M0BMU IO91 30           0     1    0
090128 0018  30  -2  0.5   0.503900  M0BMU IO91 30           0     1    0
090128 0018  19 -11  0.8   0.503931  M0LMH IO93 10           0     1    0

Something is very wrong with the lf set up  I did not decode Gary all night
and not all of Jims signals decoded  either

So using the ft897-d with the ads/usb sound card , every trace is decoding
so .. looks like the sound card is the problem as the rx and tx had similar
problems ..

wonderful ...

G .. 




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Dear Paul-Henrik, LF Group,

Fairly confident the signal in the attachment is you - or a very strange 
Loran line! The vertical markers are 1 minute. The spectrogram settings are 
for QRSS3.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 

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Graham,

at 20:58 it was -19dB SNR.
I have been able to decode as weak as -30dB, so 50mW would do the job.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:

> Just had this spot from OR7T  ....  500 mW feed power  to  35 ft top
> loaded vertical ..!
>
> 2009-01-30 20:50   G0NBD   0.503952   -21   0   IO83lk   +13   0.020
> OR7T JO20ix   594   369
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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>>
>> Still looks to  be working at range .. outstanding !
>>
>> all I can do  next is take the drive from the exciter direct to the Ae ?
>> G ..
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:28 PM
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>> Subject: LF: WSPR   QRP   500 mW to  Ae
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok All ,
>>>
>>> Well   from what I can measure  , power to the Ae is  500mW at the momen=
t
>>> as of about 20-25 hrs ...
>>>
>>> Initial level was 30 watts  feed
>>>
>>> See what happens ?
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>>> G ..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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Gerhard
Nil hrd so far at 0900 utc this morning. Now qrv on 136.8 khz cw
mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Beckmann, Gerhard=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Cc: 'H. Schnait'=20
  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:46 PM
  Subject: AW: LF: 137


  Hello Heinz,

  =20

  I also will be QRV on 136.5 kHz next Sunday morning and try to call you (i=
f weather is not too bad regarding my outdoor-loading coil, hi)=20

  We had already some QSO's on LF some years ago (hi).

  Hopefully that the LF-activities are increasing...

  =20

  vy 73 de Gerhard  /  DK6NI

  =20

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  =20

  this should be 136.5kHz of course...

  73 Heinz

  Heinz Schnait schrieb:=20

  I will be QRV on 137.5kHz in regular CW on Sunday morning, abt. 08.00 - 11=
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  Heinz, OE5EEP

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gerhard</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nil hrd so far at 0900 utc this morning. No=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 23, 2009 9:46=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> AW: LF: 137</DIV>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN     st=
yle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hello=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN     st=
yle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
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=3DEN-GB     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I al=
so will be QRV on=20
  136.5 kHz next Sunday morning and try to call you (if weather is not too b=
ad=20
  regarding my outdoor-loading coil, hi) <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We h=
ad already some=20
  QSO=92s on LF some years ago (hi).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hope=
fully that the=20
  LF-activities are increasing=85..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN lang=
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3 de=20
  Gerhard&nbsp; /&nbsp; DK6NI<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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oma"> <A     href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_l=
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GHT: bold">Im Auftrag von </SPAN></B>H. Schnait<BR><B><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
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  16:49<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</SPAN></B>=20
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etreff:</SPAN></B> Re: LF: 137</SPAN></FONT><FONT     color=3Dblack><SPAN  =20=
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><SPAN     style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">this should be 136.5kHz of course...<BR=
><BR>73=20
  Heinz<BR><BR>Heinz Schnait schrieb: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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Markus ,

137-570  is the right carrier frequency ??

G ..

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From: "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
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Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz

>
> Good evening Alberto,
>
> great, someone's out there watching! A good reason to switch it back on 
> for another hour or so.
>
> Thank you for reporting!
>
> 73 de Markus, DF6NM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alberto di Bene" <dibene@usa.net>
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:46 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz
>
>
> It looks like Markus has switched on his Tx...
>
> 2220 -16  2.6   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 17
> 2226 -16  2.6   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2230 -19  2.7   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
> 2234 -20  2.8   0.137570  0 DF6NM JN59 23
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
>



>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release Date: 1/14/2009 
> 06:59
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Hello Stephen, LF'ers,
capture last night in 01.24z.
dfcw10.

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Happy New Year to all on the LF reflector.  Lets hope that Canadian=20
amateurs will be authorised to operate on 2200m this year!

Many thanks to all who have sent reports of the 1600m transmisions
and to Henny, Jean Pierre, Victor and Willem for their recent reports,
including some very spectacular recepions on the 17th and 20th.

73
Joe VO1NA

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote:

> Hello Joe ,
> Nothing also !
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
> henny van elst a =E9crit :
>> hny Joe,
>> nothing seen,
>> henny pa3cpm
>> 73s
>>
>>=20
>
>

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Markus, Lubos,

Are these light-coloured patches a typical signature of this effect?  I get=20=
quite a lot of them here.

John F5VLF

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On 15/01/2009 at 03:32 Lubos OK2BVG wrote:

>Hello Markus, LF!
>Many thanks for your info about Russian Loran (GRI 8000), it=B4s this!
>
>Here is my picture of Luxembourg effect in JN88KS. Very strong signal.
>
>Lubos, OK2BVG
>
>**************************************************
>
>> From: markusvester@aol.com
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:22:41 +0100
>> Subject: LF: Re: Luxembourg
>>=20
>> .. this is the cross modulation signature on the RN3AGC grabber. The
>pattern was also visible on F1AFJ's screen. - 73, Markus
>>=20
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:52 AM
>> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR beacon on 136kHz, Luxembourg
>>=20
>>=20
>>  The band is fairly quiet tonight. Twice for a few minutes around 23:23
>and 23:33, there were strong Luxembourg sideband carriers
>>  simultaneously on both HGA and DCF. They were apparently caused by a
>1054 Hz sinusoidal modulation test tone (sidebands at 136.484,
>>  75 uV/m and 137.776 kHz, 13 uV/m). There was also a -20 dB second
>harmonic component (137.538, 6 uV/m and 136.722, 1.5 uV/m), due=20
>> to
>>  the square-law charasteristic of the heating effect.
>>=20
>>  Kind regards,
>> Marksu, DF6NM
>> =20
>
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Dear Andrey, LF Group,

Here is an observation that might be relevant, (or perhaps not!) to the 
problem of WSPR displaying a clear spectrogram trace of a signal, but 
failing to decode it. I noticed it while looking for OH1LSQ's QRSS earlier, 
and have now checked a bit more carefully.

First, I changed the BW from 250Hz to 2.4kHz so that I would be able to see 
OH1SQ at 800Hz audio frequency (carrier frequency set to 136.000k) using 
Spectrum Lab, and at the same time decode F5WK at around 1500Hz audio. This 
required reducing RF/IF gain to prevent overloading by the DCF39 carrier at 
2.83kHz audio. I could then see OH1LSQ OK, but although there was a good 
trace from F5WK in WSPR, no decoding occured. (Changing the gain does not 
alter the spectrogram appearance much, so presumably it is displaying SNR 
rather than absolute signal level. ).

Reducing the bandwidth to 250Hz, with the gain still reduced, restored 
normal decoding.

Increasing the bandwidth to 2.4kHz again, adjusting the passband shift 
control, and changing the loop orientation to reduce DCF39 and Lakihegy to a 
minimum while maintaining F5WK's signal, with the gain still reduced, also 
gave normal decoding, although there was now assorted additional noise in 
the passband.

It seems to me most likely that the failure to decode was due to the 
presence of the strong tone at high audio frequency from DCF39, although 
this tone was outside the WSPR frequency range, and not saturating the sound 
card A/D converter or overloading the analogue RX channel.

So if there are other tones in your RX passband while receiving WSPR, it 
appears they may prevent decoding occuring, even though a good signal is 
displayed on the WSPR spectrogram.

This seems to be a reproducible case where a strong WSPR signal does not 
decode on a receiving system that is known to work well. If others can 
reproduce this, it may be worth contacting K1JT to see if he is aware of 
this or can shed light on the matter.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 



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Mal

Antenna is back up in the air here...but we're expecting a snow storm starti=
ng mid afternoon running through tomorrow morning. Suspect static levels wil=
l be high but will be happy to take a look...if you care to transmit at a sp=
ecific time.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  MF condx vy good at present. Now is the time for TR QSO'S anyone available=
 this week end.
  Temp minus 3 today so far antenna ok

  mal/g3kev

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antenna is back up in the air here...but we=
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Hello Nicolas,
Thanks, I will watch. My grabber www.rn3agc.msk.ru/en/grabber1.shtml

73
Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV


>Hello Andrey, for a test with you,im beaconing now and until 2200Z on 137,776 QRSS60.
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hi Warren,
capture XGJ
henny pa3cpm
73s
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi Warren,</FONT></DIV>
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Hello Warren , Denis ,

Warren Ziegler a =E9crit :
> Dennis,
>
>           Europe 1 is off the air from 0000 to 01:30 UTC each night
 Not 00:00 > 01: 30 , it is 00:00 > 03: 00 the cut of Europe 1 .
Hellisandur/Iceland is not too awkward if is used a directing antenna ,
At the beginning I did not believe in it ! one tested and that went to of
my hopes ! I attach a capture of  "VO1NA"  10W @ 3962 km ( just
at the time of the cut of Europe 1 )=20

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Hello all,

I believe the time off is from 1:00 to4:00z although not every night.Most
receptions from 3:30 to 4:00.

73
good dx,

Victor

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Warren Ziegler
Verzonden: zondag 4 januari 2009 3:44
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: 184khz ?? vs. Longwave Broadcast



Dennis,

          Europe 1 is off the air from 0000 to 01:30 UTC each night,
that is when the  low power 184kHz beacon from VO1NA can be copied.
Iceland on 189kHz is very strong here most nights on the Northeast
coast of the US.
--
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1



On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Dennis <Dennis.Hennig@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Henny & others!
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> I see you Henny and some others observing the band for north american
lowfer signals around 18xkHz.
> That's amazing, at least to me...
>
> How is it possible, that those very low power signals do make it through
the overlapping sidebands of much closer by and very very much stronger
radiostations (300kW from Hellisandur/Iceland on 189kHz and 2000kW
Europe1/Germany on 183kHz?
>
> By the way, is there any chance to receive this Hellisandur 189kHz signal
in western Europe? Havn't detect it with rather simple setups and indoor
antenna so far, but it might be an interesting propagation indicator?
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> Dennis
> DL6NVC
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> Datum: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:25:19 +0100
>> Von: henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>
>> An: blacksheep <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Betreff: LF: 184khz
>
>> hi Joe
>> nothing seen
>> henny pa3cpm
>> best 73s
>
> --
> Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger geh=F6rt? Der kann`s mit allen:
http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger
>
>



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Gary,

    Thanks, I will forward your report to Bob.
Was XGR/6 audible?


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On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> LF,
>
>
>
> WE2XGR/6 very strong signal at 0248utc this morning.
>
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> 73,
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>
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> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
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Automatic monitoring of the signal strength / frequency of CW beacon
signals, including those that drift by a small amount, can be achieved
using signal processing techniqes borrowed from the radar and Comint
worlds.   Referred to as CFAR, or Constant False Alarm Rate, the
principle is to take an FFT of the wanted band, then obtain an
estimate of the noise level and all CARRIER type signals present by
using statistical techniques, like averaging over adjacent time
samples, searching adjacent bins and voting.

I described the process in detail in the RadCom Data Column  in three
parts over April/June/August 2008  and it also appears in "Command"  [
http://www.rsgbshop.org/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Computing___Radio_39.html
 (still some copies left at bargain prices:) ]

The S/N of any carrier that exceeds the noise level by a certain
minimum amount can be determined accurately by the monitoring process,
its frequency determined and drifting signals can be tracked.
Multiple carrier s can be tracked if needed  The process does not work
so reliably where signals are modulated, so clearly are not of much
use for situations where the beacon callsign etc is not known in
advance.    However, it can be made to work sucessfully on the
microwave bands, where beacons freqeuncies and locations are known in
advance.

Microwave Beacon Monitoring software using CFAR techniqes and
including all source code can be found at :
   http://www.g4jnt.com/dspsw.htm
with an overview at    http://www.g4jnt.com/UWBCNMON.pdf

This particular software is too wideband for LF use, but the code
could be modified for lower sampling rates and bandwidths, and used
for auto monitoring of QRSS signals, once their origin has been
determined by other means

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
> Hello Klaus,
>
>> On the other hand, WSPR has the advantage of automatic
>> recording. But that is not an advantage of the mode, it
>> simply is the lack of a corresponding simple program that
>> does the same with a QRSS signal.
>
> the automatic recording/reporting ability is clearly an advantage of WSPR in
> regard with propagation studies. And I agree that QRSS or DFCW would serve
> as well or even better if a similar automatic recording/reporting would be
> provided.
> But I am afraid that a "waterfall display to ASCII" conversion is not simple
> at all ;-)
>
>> Nevertheless, WSPR is not very near to the Shannon limit.
>> I spent nearly all my leisure time of the last year with
>> the design of a new digital ham radio QSO-mode HD43 that
>> comes as close as possible to the theoretical limit.
>> I will send a preprint on request.
>
> I am interested
>
> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T
>
>
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>
>
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Marcus

Info on 137.570 kHz.

137565.036 9610 - South Central U.S.
137565.261 9960 - Northeast U.S.
137565.337 7270 - Newfoundland East Coast
137565.392 9940 - Western U.S.
137566.890 5980 - Russian American
137567.568 9990 - North Pacific
137568.922 7980 - Southeast U.S.
137569.095 7960 - Gulf of Alaska
137569.361 8290 - North Central U.S.
137569.677 8970 - Great Lakes
137570.239 9610 - South Central U.S.
137570.281 9960 - Northeast U.S.
137570.423 9940 - Western U.S.
137570.952 5990 - Canadian West Coast
137571.669 5930 - Canadian East Coast
137572.215 7270 - Newfoundland East Coast
137572.573 9990 - North Pacific
137575.188 7980 - Southeast U.S.
137575.251 5980 - Russian American
137575.251 8970 - Great Lakes
137575.301 9960 - Northeast U.S.
137575.377 7960 - Gulf of Alaska
137575.392 8290 - North Central U.S.
137575.442 9610 - South Central U.S.
137575.453 9940 - Western U.S.

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