From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (rly-ma04.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.48]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA042-8a44889be01b4; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:50:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA046-8a44889be01b4; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:50:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KMLnd-0006xd-Uj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:49:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KMLnd-0006xU-F7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:49:29 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.64]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KMLna-0005UA-92 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:49:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 46155 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2008 11:49:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=BJoCYsF9uE4IavRstisv0pN+ukQEnFBU/Fe3ghMyS5CI8QRKfOImvGTYM/1oeCxV80qyGlPrsgGzkc9Xce2zBG5BGbgrPUxaZod31GtwI94P0gB1OhV/SDZi8/RvIN++KJyM5jKTo50xtboxiXtuLWlEZdMkV2nWjqqeLGawViI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@86.135.94.149 with login) by smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2008 11:49:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SH22l0oVM1mC8S3zTCrYRAVnfVq0_GmMjmb9vwk2e7GUWbz.y99UIe9ltF4fKrFtrmcrr0iKjgofRdyYB5qpo08qmbiEEFhDl0bT8xbH1nDk5LwNspWks0TdRnfE8RitVldrrsDwVbqyV_MeSd67osmF X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.524 [270.5.5/1571]); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:44:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c8ee4b$c1db6d00$4101a8c0@home> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:44:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Posting problem / Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Dear LF Group, It seems that I can only make postings to the LF reflector from one of the two PCs I have connected to the broadband modem. The one that works is an old machine with Win98 - the one that doesn't is Vista, although the e-mail message settings are the same on both PCs as far as I can tell, and sending e-mail to other destinations does not seem to be a problem. Does anyone know why this could be? All info gratefully received... This is what I tried to send a couple of days ago re G4JNT's "loop conundrum": Dear Andy, LF Group, > Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre > line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling > between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and > resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original > value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled > in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. > > BUT... > What is the resulting change in efficiency? > Here is my attempt to analyse this. According to the (Kraus) textbook, the E field at a long distance from a small loop is: 120*pi^2*I*sin(theta)*A/(r*lambda^2), where I is current, r distance and A loop area. In other words, the E field (and the H field) are proportional to the sine of the azimuth angle theta, relative to the axis of the loop. A second loop at right angles to the first, with identical area and current would give the same E field as above, except that sin(theta) becomes sin(theta + pi/2) due to the rotation. With both loops present, the two fields will be superimposed - as IK1ODO says, at a long distance the E field will be entirely vertical for both antennas, and have the same phase because the distance is the same, so the field vectors for each antenna will always be in the same direction and simply add algebraically to give the total E field for the composite antenna: 120*pi^2*I*[sin(theta) + sin(theta + pi/2)]*A/(r*lambda^2) a bit of fiddling with trig identities makes this equal to: sqrt(2)*120*pi^2*I*sin(theta + pi/4)*A/(r*lambda^2) So this is the same pattern as the single loop, except that the magnitude is increased by sqrt(2), and the angle is slewed through pi/4, i.e. 45 degrees. A very similar result occurs for the H field. So I agree with G4OKW. Since the power density is proportional to E^2, the power density is twice as great, and so the total radiated power will also be twice as much. So argument 1 is OK, twice as much power in, twice as much radiated: > Argument 1: > Two identical loops = two times the loss R, but also two times the > radiation resistance (since they don't couple) so net efficiency > remains the same. > > Argument 2 : > Chu-Harrington relates efficiency / Q / bandwidth / volume enclosed. > Therefore, as the enclosed volume has increased, the effciency ought > to rise. > In my reading of the Chu et al limitations on antennas, the "volume" considered is always a sphere which is just big enough to fully enclose the antenna - in this case, you could add the extra loop without increasing the size of the sphere, so the limit would stay the same. There is also a "shape factor" which reaches 1 only for some theoretically optimum, and probably un-realisable, antenna, with real antennas such as small loops having some value less than 1. So there is only an upper limit on efficiency, real antennas might be better or worse below this limit. To get a pattern without nulls, you have to have a phase shift between the loop currents - as has been pointed out, when the phase shift is 90 degrees, you get an omnidirectional pattern. This has been implemented (for receive) in DF6NM's directional spectrogram set-up. If the phases of the currents in the two loops stay the same and the amplitudes vary, there will always be angles where the fields of the loops cancel, giving nulls, and the pattern will be that of a single loop skewed from the physical direction of the actual loops. This is the principle behind the Bellini-Tosi type of LF/MF direction finder with two loops with their signals summed in a "goniometer" to give an electrically-steerable null. It is also why you will get sharp nulls with small loops even when they are bent and twisted into funny shapes, or with multi-turn "box" loops with thickness as well as area, or soccer balls for that matter :-) Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF083-947487a4d321b5; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:45:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF025-947487a4d321b5; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:45:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KI6Yi-00077h-0f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:44:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KI6Yh-00077Y-FK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:44:31 +0100 Received: from mx3.mail.ru ([194.67.23.149]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KI6Ye-0000CH-IU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:44:31 +0100 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=20913 helo=EFREMOV) by mx3.mail.ru with asmtp id 1KI6YY-00036k-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:44:22 +0400 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <000e01c8e518$5e449d70$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey RN3AGC" To: References: <003601c8b071$78496c90$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:43:08 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: OK X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RN3AGC QRP beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ~ Hello All, RN3AGC QRP-beacon start 18.45 z ~137.776.6 qrss60. Power ~15 W. All reports are welcome. 73 RN3AGC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF043-5964880f55810a; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:56:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF125-5964880f55810a; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:56:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJw3U-0005UE-PD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:55:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJw3U-0005U5-5o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:55:52 +0100 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJw3S-0006Iq-59 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:55:52 +0100 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so160177yxn.64 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:55:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=H2oijKOqJu9vlu2e6QQmGfrkz3ZMKBtXR0tB5+CFEFI=; b=rryj+OhzOIxALBv6tjEyGelD78x6FnrI819JLFJfDboodeaMdrPaENMGkMahHdQtRb mSLnQguopz+a3HVpuIJPjpuw1f2yXNJCk0VLsCy4unWIxyWwM3ntO3oKgUs109lZdJGe jAN5Cv8UV8ParrITv6Nu/J7U1rCuMH9T3/Wsc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=pSKasQgfer5pml9h14K463GiBpiYTQoVB2cnmL81JdalEwJhJ6zaW40SzgDnP2dRdP iF7ZZdGTUW/07M/OAJwZoFwvHKPzcKtUKY5kvX/y1x4xbr+B9oHYe2amZ+ynAcc5Xp/d vlkIv/QL70kl86kfUwHR1Wb/5a2GclfTvsgAk= Received: by 10.151.155.21 with SMTP id h21mr549984ybo.199.1216410947191; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.50.21 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:55:47 +0000 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Rad Com / critical mass etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) That's because no one sends anything in !!!!!!!!!!!!!! As I said in a previous posting a few months ago to one of the many groups (microwaves, probably) - its positive feedback. People see reduced technical content, assume RC are taking the stand deliberately, so don't bother writing it up. Self perpetuating and leading to instability, in this case probably a bistable stuck in the '0' state. Your comments, Dave, are exactly what I was speculating on. Did you ever phone the editor and discuss their requirements, and whether thay'd be interested? I bet not. Andy G4JNT > Unfortunately, it costs quite a lot to make a kit available. You need > minimum order quantities for PCBs to make it cost effective, and a kit that > contains a few inches of say, 28 SWG wire means you have to buy a > reel......and so on and so on. > Having an article published in RadCom was key to making a kit viable. But > now, there are no significant articles being published. If, I submit an > article am I going to be told, we don't do that any more, or we like most > magazines commission articles? > > Basically, last year I looked at 500k as a possible opportunity for > designing a DDS driven transmitter. 100W out, little 2 line LCD, PIC > microcontroller running a DDS. - All fairly straightforward and if run from > 12V, a project that would attract people onto 500k. But the single reason > why that didn't happen was because at the time when I had the idea, Rad Com > hadn't published a single significant construction article in the previous Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b29487f36bd21; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:11:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC065-b29487f36bd21; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:10:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJSJX-0000rw-S8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:10:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJSJX-0000rn-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:10:27 +0100 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJSJU-0000I4-HS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:10:27 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-25-171.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.25.171] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1KJSJR-0005Ha-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:10:21 +0100 Message-ID: <487F37A4.9090906@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:14:28 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003c01c8e7e6$5eca7500$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> In-Reply-To: <003c01c8e7e6$5eca7500$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.087 Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) John W Gould wrote: > To me the important point that I tried to make in my posting, which has > drawn no comment, is the one I made about getting people to write up their > experimental work for publication, and specifically that concerning 500kHz. > > To maintain progress on gaining a long-term allocation around 500kHz we will > need to raise the profile nationally and internationally of work undertaken > on 500kHz. One way of doing this is to get a few good technical articles > written, not just sharing knowledge but encouraging others and providing > suitable designs to enable them to join in; good construction articles can > do just that. > > I had considered describing the problem and the solution of using an existing HF antenna, such as a quad or any other wire beam antenna, on 500kHz. My main reason for not doing so was that I thought that it would be regarded as too 'amateurish' even though my HF quad worked very well as a 500kHz antenna, with the appropriate loading and matching arrangements. Furthermore, my 500kHz transmitter is just a valve transmitter using the power supply and components of a defunked homebrew linear amplifier, which can hardly be described as 'experimental work'. I understand 'experimental work' to be the use of 'state of the art' RF amplifiers and the use of special modes - something I have not yet done. Regards Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB033-ac1487a68df2b; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:43:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB047-ac1487a68df2b; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:43:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KI8P7-0007Xw-QL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:42:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KI8P7-0007Xn-8g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:42:45 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.21]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KI8P4-0000u0-JR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:42:45 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a82-95-116-115.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.95.116.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6DKgXZa006812 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:42:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nl9222@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <487A68B7.6070204@xs4all.nl> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:42:31 +0200 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c8e513$e3173f30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <001101c8e513$e3173f30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080713-0, 07/13/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > Since there is no LF/MF news or acty I would like to know if anyone > knows how the satellite scene is getting on. > I have not seen any mention of satellite acty in Radcom for a long time, > has this also fizzled out. > Perhaps the internet and mobile phone appliance operation has taken > over. Good bye amateur radio!!! > De G3KEV > Lots of qso's for Chris today, perhaps his ears and antenna do work. No need to reply !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh07.mx.aol.com (rly-mh07.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.143]) by air-mh08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH083-be4486c8d8f1e8; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:28:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH074-be4486c8d8f1e8; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:28:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KEKAK-0003v2-0E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:27:44 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KEKAJ-0003ut-3t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:27:43 +0100 Received: from hpsmtp-eml20.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.85]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KEKAE-0003Tw-Vb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:27:43 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml106.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.106]) by hpsmtp-eml20.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:27:33 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml106.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:27:33 +0200 Message-ID: <003701c8dce6$a6396ff0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:27:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2008 08:27:33.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4146D10:01C8DCE6] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): na0307.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C8DCF7.6992CB80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C8DCF7.6992CB80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0034_01C8DCF7.6992CB80" ------=_NextPart_001_0034_01C8DCF7.6992CB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi joe, the same capture with speclab. henny cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden= : na0307.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen he= t verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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hi joe,
the same capture with=20 speclab.
henny cpm
best 73s
 
 
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00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD102-9004888da4d171; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:39:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD048-9004888da4d171; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:38:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KM6dA-0004F4-CV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:37:40 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KM6d9-0004Ev-SJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:37:39 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KM6d5-0005Dr-Mp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:37:39 +0100 X-Trace: 51732424/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.119.154 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.119.154 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAAh2iEhYanea/2dsb2JhbACDXYgNpkMD X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,248,1215385200"; d="scan'208";a="51732424" Received: from 88-106-119-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.119.154]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 24 Jul 2008 20:37:27 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> <4880B1E7.3040008@ntlworld.com> <000a01c8edb7$0174f7a0$713a2e40@p1i5f0> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:37:27 +0100 Message-ID: <004101c8edc4$b4bc9590$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000a01c8edb7$0174f7a0$713a2e40@p1i5f0> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE 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(VPS 080724-1, 24/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: 600m Info Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + Steve, LF, Re: "Scopematch" I built the "LF Tuning Meter" from Jim M0BMU for 136 KHz & I now use it for 500 KHz & it works just as well. Quoting from the article :- "This LF tuning meter was conceived to perform the same function, but to be a simple, self-contained unit requiring no additional power supply." http://www.picks.plus.com/software/LFtunemeter.pdf Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve McDonald Sent: 24 July 2008 18:59 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 600m Info Are there any web sites devoted to 600m circuits etc? I am aware of the U.S. group one as well as G3YMC's page and N4ICK's tx design, but perhaps there are others as well? Several of the 2200m experimental licencees have just been asked to submit formal proposals for 600m experimental permits here in Canada so things are starting to look positive but I have no idea of the timeline. Just in case, I thought I had better get the soldering iron warmed-up once again, not that it has ever really cooled-off. Also...does anyone know how well the M0MBU scope match circuit (that works so wonderfully-well on 2200m) performs on 600m without any modification? Steve / VE7SL Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME014-9c0486dcc273be; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 03:08:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME064-9c0486dcc273be; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 03:07:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KEfMs-0005wC-5j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:06:06 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KEfMr-0005w3-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:06:05 +0100 Received: from hpsmtp-eml19.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.84]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KEfMo-0004Vp-KO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:06:05 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml102.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.102]) by hpsmtp-eml19.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:05:57 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:05:57 +0200 Message-ID: <005f01c8dda4$682ec610$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:05:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2008 07:05:57.0041 (UTC) FILETIME=[68117A10:01C8DDA4] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): vo1na0407.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C8DDB5.2A5F3200" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C8DDB5.2A5F3200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_005C_01C8DDB5.2A5F3200" ------=_NextPart_001_005C_01C8DDB5.2A5F3200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi joe, capture vo1na one (n) ? gl best 73s henny pa3cpm. 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from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOTVG-0005gI-Lq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:27:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOTVG-0005g9-5v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:27:18 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOTVB-000721-ML for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:27:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 69227 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 08:27:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; 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DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8F2EF.96B9BE80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8F2EF.96B9BE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal Thanks for e-mail. Will be trying for CW contacts next week. My morse is a= trocious so will be using computer generated at the moment but will persever= e with the pump handle key in the meantime. Aerial is the best I can fit in= a garden 10 ft square surrounded by houses, so I dont expect any DX results= . 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Dennis Monitor 500 every day and often put out a cq. Would be delighted to have a= QSO with you on CW. De Mal/VG3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:12 PM Subject: LF: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Hi Peter Thanks for the congrats. Have tried the odd test transmissions and hope to be fit for purpose soo= n. Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Hi Dennis This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV application. Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse. You are a rare breed, a new 500kc/s op. 73 for now and GL petefmt.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not happy with your email address?=20 Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses availabl= e now at Yahoo! ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8F2EF.96B9BE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal
Thanks for e-mail.  Will be trying for= CW=20 contacts next week.  My morse is atrocious so will be using computer=20 generated at the moment but will persevere with the pump handle key in the=20 meantime.  Aerial is the best I can fit in a garden 10 ft square surrou= nded=20 by houses, so I dont expect any DX results.
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
 
----- Original Message -----
mal= =20 hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:03= =20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: New NoV: Well=20= done=20 Dennis M0JXM

Dennis
Monitor 500 every day and often put out a= cq.=20 Would be delighted to have a QSO with you on CW.
De Mal/VG3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:12= =20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: New NoV: Well do= ne=20 Dennis M0JXM

Hi Peter
Thanks for the congrats.
Have tried the odd test transmissions a= nd hope=20 to be fit for purpose soon.
 
Dennis M0JXM
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:= 59=20 AM
Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done= =20 Dennis M0JXM

Hi Dennis
 
This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV=20 application.
 
Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow=20 Morse.
 
You are a rare breed,  a new 500kc/s op.
 
73 for now and GL petefmt.
<= BR>
Not happy with your email address?
Get the one you really=20 want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo!
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8F2EF.96B9BE80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df04.mx.aol.com (rly-df04.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.17]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDF051-5454890ad6510e; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:05:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF044-5454890ad6510e; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:05:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOG2P-0004xW-Ot for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:04:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOG2N-0004xN-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:04:35 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-1.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.231] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOG2K-0005mM-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:04:35 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au4EAPBJkEhOkJYH/2dsb2JhbAATgi8xJIE/hU4KnE6LDA Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.150.7]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 19:04:25 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01c8f26e$b3f21410$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <593579.45856.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:03:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: Re: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C8F276.ED4405E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C8F276.ED4405E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dennis Monitor 500 every day and often put out a cq. Would be delighted to have a Q= SO with you on CW. De Mal/VG3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:12 PM Subject: LF: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Hi Peter Thanks for the congrats. Have tried the odd test transmissions and hope to be fit for purpose soon. Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Hi Dennis This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV application. Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse. You are a rare breed, a new 500kc/s op. 73 for now and GL petefmt.=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not happy with your email address?=20 Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available=20= now at Yahoo! ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C8F276.ED4405E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dennis
Monitor 500 every day and often put out a c= q. Would=20 be delighted to have a QSO with you on CW.
De Mal/VG3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
DENNIS EASTERLING
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:12=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: New NoV: Well done= =20 Dennis M0JXM

Hi Peter
Thanks for the congrats.
Have tried the odd test transmissions and= hope to=20 be fit for purpose soon.
 
Dennis M0JXM
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:59= =20 AM
Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done D= ennis=20 M0JXM

Hi Dennis
 
This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV=20 application.
 
Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse.
 
You are a rare breed,  a new 500kc/s op.
 
73 for now and GL petefmt.
Not happy with your email address?
Get the one you really=20 want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo!
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C8F276.ED4405E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDC023-b194887a7311db; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:48:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC045-b194887a7311db; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:48:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KLmC5-0001fU-2s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:48:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KLmC4-0001fL-Cp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:48:20 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KLmBz-00080z-GS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:48:20 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEACxEh0hZ8b7o/2dsb2JhbACJNapR Received: from unknown (HELO traceydlqceh0p) ([89.241.190.232]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 2008 22:48:05 +0100 Message-ID: <010701c8ed0d$cca5b9f0$e8bef159@traceydlqceh0p> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <3652E16C8DF5458ABDD4D14CF2537C0A@AGB> <004a01c8eb5e$f72eed00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <18E35B939E2A4A418472A930207A288D@AGB> <001701c8ed07$d9f49d20$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:48:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.239 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n > Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , > > Pref round 502 KHz , fundamental, needs to be a 'big' one , for a > valve > oscillator ! > > I assume hc6u would be ok or bigger , these look to be the right type ! > > http://hipme.com/weblogs/wa5znu/20050302210827/xtals.jpg > > Tnx - G .. > Surplus Sales of Nebraska have some 251kHz xtals if that would be of any use? http://www.surplussales.com/Crystals/Crystals-1.html 73s Tracey G5VU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de04.mx.aol.com (rly-de04.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.140]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE013-4cb487edf28224; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:57:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE042-4cb487edf28224; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:56:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJMTH-00086L-MR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:56:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJMTH-00086C-7B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:56:07 +0100 Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com ([72.14.246.247]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJMTE-0002pf-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:56:07 +0100 Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 35so4731872aga.1 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:55:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:date:mime-version :subject:message-id:priority:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-description:sender; bh=XY0FNMpxyyvTlH+f7Sgw+BPpkBd0oHnQL2geMLeDx0I=; b=MwUOLTVT7TTIbVfTYARNJr91x5+S05yCODjOoSsnGzcoMeH3HkzEYoAfBM6X3hJG3g POrDrLJkGMJK/smRwC2JkXog+kh79CFAP08JZjqCn/8duDBOUI0dK3rpbzlre1K3Hh5U 2FNLB69NVFh5J0UwLw1mYyyJEY81c5o3MzlB4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:date:mime-version:subject:message-id:priority:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-description:sender; b=HXlzyfrg0GZ3Rn83DCPO0R27Pw+n08dgB8KQFVwaRQD7PByAmLq+5ezFgM9hRCAQ0G zLqWCHAjNtJBi9zqwlusX3e5fxPXirjBlw5pMQ9Zoot91t97OnAH6T0sP9FdYtm6Zi4e rTS37u8OHJcTzE8QQE+8ZQfq9cPVAuzQS18A4= Received: by 10.100.251.11 with SMTP id y11mr3564199anh.114.1216274157242; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.5? ( [86.149.242.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm9517963ywn.0.2008.07.16.22.55.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:55:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:55:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <487EECFC.5238.20E43A@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n On 16 Jul 2008 at 18:40, GandalfG8@aol.com wrote: > Radcom is not the only "Journal" to suffer > the attack of the "designers" Electronics World has had the same tacky > "make-over" ..... > Indeed. Another casualty this week is the recently relaunched Television magazine. An excellent example of a mag which at one time was profitable with a large market but with the decline in the television repair trade, the disappearance of amateur construction and the advent of internet forums to exchange fault ideas real time meant that there was no place left for it. Relaunched in January with great promises, it lasted just six months with the editorial team going into liquidation. I would hope RadCom does not follow a similar fate, at least it is a society magazine with a guaranteed subscriber base. But similar things can be learned. With the internet covering day to day news the mag content must change to suit. It is indeed strange that there is little coverage of amateur satellites in RadCom. I remember some years ago the society made a donation to the Oscar 10 project which you would think showed some committment. But it is probably more about getting a regular contributor to produce a monthly page, which must be the responsibility of Amsat UK. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-9d9488f586f307; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:51:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME095-9d9488f586f307; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:50:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KNtKx-0002qN-O2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:50:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KNtKx-0002qE-9g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:50:15 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNtKt-0005As-Be for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:50:15 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6B7EF1C0008D for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:50:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.55.220]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 89B2F1C00086 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:50:02 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080729175002564.89B2F1C00086@mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <593579.45856.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:49:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01C8F1AB.E5B00980" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C8F1AB.E5B00980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dennis, Interesting to see nov's still being issued ... hope for us all yet !=20 Don't see you on qrz , where are you located ? what modes are you running ? Graham ..=20 From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:12 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Hi Peter Thanks for the congrats. Have tried the odd test transmissions and hope to be fit for purpose soon. Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Hi Dennis This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV application. Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse. You are a rare breed, a new 500kc/s op. 73 for now and GL petefmt.=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Not happy with your email address?=20 Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available no= w at Yahoo! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1579 - Release Date: 7/29/2008 06= :43 ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C8F1AB.E5B00980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dennis,
 
Interesting to  see nov's  still=20= being=20 issued ... hope for us all yet !
 
Don't see you on qrz , where are you locate= d ? what=20 modes are you running ?
 
Graham ..
 
 
 

Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:12 PM
Subject: LF: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM

Hi Peter
Thanks for the congrats.
Have tried the odd test transmissions and h= ope to=20 be fit for purpose soon.
 
Dennis M0JXM
 
----- Original Message -----
M0FMT <= /DIV>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:59=20 AM
Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done Den= nis=20 M0JXM

Hi Dennis
 
This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV application.
 
Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse.
 
You are a rare breed,  a new 500kc/s op.
 
73 for now and GL petefmt.

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------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C8F1AB.E5B00980-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b4948917a1dcf; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:39:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC105-b4948917a1dcf; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:38:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOTgF-0005mw-AM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:38:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOTgE-0005mn-Qa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:38:38 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.74]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOTgB-00077z-5w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:38:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 17464 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 08:38:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=kNWSEQqckC98xp5+lvRFidBFPvpJisExGeUa2lwS6+YVgGmNQJ7gy69HN8yI0hoiJ2mnE80YNce1pLcd60TdDJOyZaLr0anZPdboOd37RixCx0AIfz91ZyQo3rhljUThAYOVG6iNH+qb/L3pbpn7Hx3LHuKtmzvRB4E7deR9OfU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@btinternet.com@86.130.77.141 with login) by smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 08:38:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ovU4VWIVM1kl573RgEmNHDiR7MzAU8SFD8YO6y2RDr43Y5ViHAe04eClGKGrg410xwVZ.nTZuVOQTCQq1gfiEnMa07qpjpms.fcXKXNYkA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <88A15F009F7B44C68AA1DBAF58F1D2AF@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:38:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: NOVICE LF OPERATOR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C8F2F1.29562250" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C8F2F1.29562250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for words of encouragement from the group. I shall be testing and hoping for contacts from next week using my very poor= morse and perhaps some RTTY. The antenna is the best I can fit into a garden 10m square and only 20ft hig= h, so I dont expect any DX. The TX runs at 6w and the best erp I can hope=20= for is 200mW. Location is Biggleswade about 60km North of London, Locator IO92UC 73 Dennis M0JXM ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C8F2F1.29562250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for words of encouragement from the=20 group.
 
I shall be testing and hoping for contacts=20= from=20 next week using my very poor morse and perhaps some RTTY.
 
The antenna is the best I can fit into a ga= rden 10m=20 square and only 20ft high, so I dont expect any DX.   The TX runs=20= at=20 6w and the best erp I can hope for is 200mW.
 
Location is Biggleswade about 60km North of= London,=20 Locator IO92UC
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C8F2F1.29562250-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh11.mx.aol.com (rly-mh11.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.147]) by air-mh01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH014-61b487f0128169; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:22:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh11.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH118-61b487f0128169; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:22:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJOjk-0008QO-TX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:21:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJOjk-0008QF-F4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:21:16 +0100 Received: from smarthost03.mail.mbr-roch.zen.net.uk ([212.23.3.142] helo=smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJOjh-0007zb-GA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:21:16 +0100 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJOje-0004Of-DJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:21:10 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:23:14 +0100 Message-ID: <003c01c8e7e6$5eca7500$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <380-22008741765234876@M2W003.mail2web.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acjn2iWdbngDRnL7SKCbZn0jvKC+igABlfOw Importance: Normal X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [82.68.18.174] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.000 Subject: RE: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + To me the important point that I tried to make in my posting, which has drawn no comment, is the one I made about getting people to write up their experimental work for publication, and specifically that concerning 500kHz. To maintain progress on gaining a long-term allocation around 500kHz we will need to raise the profile nationally and internationally of work undertaken on 500kHz. One way of doing this is to get a few good technical articles written, not just sharing knowledge but encouraging others and providing suitable designs to enable them to join in; good construction articles can do just that.=20 73 John, G3WKL=20 =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD034-b7b4881a9b5209; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:45:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD055-b7b4881a9b5209; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:45:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KK83i-0007PT-Tl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:44:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KK83i-0007PK-8s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:44:54 +0100 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KK83d-0001Cv-Md for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:44:54 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080719084942.LLCQ28496.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:49:42 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.5.254.204]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080719084450.DOSK18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:44:50 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:44:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4881B789.28848.24D949@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Rad Com / critical mass etc Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? David is quite wrong in thinking that any lack of technical articles=20 in RadCom is because the Editor wants a quiet life. There is almost=20 no backlog of construction articles, but many on expeditions etc. I=20 am certain that the Editor would be delighted to receive one on=20 500kHz, or almost any other subject for that matter. The best=20 approach in the first instance is to contact the Technical Editor=20 (and former Acting Ediitor), Giles Read.=20 Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > I think it may have been me who picked up Mal's expression "fizzled=20 > out" and applied it to the technical content, in particular > construction articles, in Rad Com. >=20 > Trying a little more seriously to look at the lack of activity on 500k > and the content of Rad Com, I would say that the two are related. I > can understand how the change in content in our magazine reflects=20 > similar unfortunate changes in other publications. I suspect this is > primarily driven by the desire to cut costs, after all changing to a > news based format allows the editor/s to simply cut and paste > articles from one source into the blank pages which will become a > future Rad Com. As a good example of cut and paste journalism, take > a look at the 'announcement' of Tent Speakers from a company called > 'Blacks' on page 10 of the August edition. You don't have to read > very far into that article to immediately see that it has been lifted > from some piece of advertising junk mail that's arrived at the office. > Heavily and badly edited, it's reduced size leaves out more facts > than it conveys. What for example is an EVA shell? Or come to that > NXT speakers? We'll never know, because that information didn't make > it into the space the editor had to fill. - A really good example of > poor editing and production. It's complete tat. >=20 > So, what's the link to 500k activity? Well, this group largely=20 > consists of very capable individuals who can use a soldering iron and > many of those can actively design equipment of some sort for 500k. > The thing we all lack is time and frequently we like to save those > long designing tasks for something that's right at the top of our > interest agenda. There would undoubtedly be more 500k operators if > tested and widely published designs were available. But we need more > than that. To really kick start 500k, someone needs to produce either=20 > kits or finished modules and that is where RadCom can be vital. In > the =20 > past I have produced designs and kits for 136kHz. The 300W amplifier > kit was one, and the completed ready to go 136kHz preamp, designed by > Dave G3YXM, was another. I was really surprised that although the > preamp was only a handful of components, people would choose to buy > it assembled and tested rather than build it themselves. Somewhere > out there are 150 preamps and 50 300W transmitter kits which must > have had some effect on 136k activity. Unfortunately, it costs quite a > lot to make a kit available. You need minimum order quantities for > PCBs to make it cost effective, and a kit that contains a few inches > of say, 28 SWG wire means you have to buy a reel......and so on and > so on. Having an article published in RadCom was key to making a kit > viable. But now, there are no significant articles being published. > If, I submit an article am I going to be told, we don't do that any > more, or we like most magazines commission articles? >=20 > Basically, last year I looked at 500k as a possible opportunity for=20 > designing a DDS driven transmitter. 100W out, little 2 line LCD, PIC=20 > microcontroller running a DDS. - All fairly straightforward and if run > from 12V, a project that would attract people onto 500k. But the > single reason why that didn't happen was because at the time when I > had the idea, Rad Com hadn't published a single significant > construction article in the previous 12 months. >=20 > It takes about 300 - =A3400 to get something like this started. With no > means of promoting it, those components just sit around selling one > or two every 6 months. The people who buy them arrive at an > uninhabited 500k and mostly give up. It needs a certain momentum to > get it started. If 30 people arrive on the band in a short space of > time, others think, that sounds like fun, I'll join=20 > them and you have sustained interest. > Of course you can just put a design on the web, but then you lose > the=20 > ability to get a 'critical mass' of people on the band. > With RadCom going to a newspaper format with almost zero 'freelance'=20 > technical content, small kit suppliers and individuals are simply > unwilling to take the risk. >=20 > Hope that helps >=20 > David G0MRF >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > In a message dated 17/07/2008 08:22:10 GMT Standard Time, > jwgould@iee.org writes: >=20 > To me the important point that I tried to make in my posting, which > has drawn no comment, is the one I made about getting people to write > up their experimental work for publication, and specifically that > concerning 500kHz. >=20 >=20 > To maintain progress on gaining a long-term allocation around 500kHz > we will need to raise the profile nationally and internationally of > work undertaken on 500kHz. One way of doing this is to get a few > good technical articles written, not just sharing knowledge but > encouraging others and providing suitable designs to enable them to=20 > join in; good construction articles can do just that.=20 >=20 > 73 John, G3WKL >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB012-ad648879d40102; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:06:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB074-ad648879d40102; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:06:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KLlWz-0001Ql-4d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:05:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KLlWy-0001Qc-KB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:05:52 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.74]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KLlWu-0007t0-OX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:05:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 22635 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2008 21:05:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=lj7d5FLkdKmWTSufTioQcFEw0ybWulaZPaqg8j4XqqkuTnt4OSzPT1nThlr9DG3IWGTjtdsyiYWyZWGxOHc4E55ZPpF+i/CinFIOhjebgtxv0AKbWgglZxzfqx9vHbfVjL1p5SvVTIT1zsvlai8Hpi8C3z5muC8LJZ8+E4xfYa4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.29.241 with login) by smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2008 21:05:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NziwerEVM1k3v.po5IRNUMeVbcYTLAftkA.uGcatqhd77p.4EXIsgIg43Cuuen3XZTD2ViU2ORmZvSpz6x4jJ3Ij_HAWYHgYb0E0mpmzPHjwM2C8bXHeWwL2m9go1QP1qLR9ddEkgI32X1.dsK14GNxW X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001701c8ed07$d9f49d20$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <3652E16C8DF5458ABDD4D14CF2537C0A@AGB> <004a01c8eb5e$f72eed00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <18E35B939E2A4A418472A930207A288D@AGB> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:05:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.510,RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=0.327 Subject: LF: Re: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi Graham 500khz crystals are quite difficult to make and certainly you wount fine one in a smaller package than HC6/U as far as I remember. There are some 10X series rocks that were used in one of the frequency calibrators (No 10 I think) They will need chasing up a little with some "scouring powder". I think that is probably the best bet.....good luck finding one...... I have one but its part of my crystal collection so not for sale :-)) I have seen 453.xx kHz crystals in HC6/U but never come across any 500kHz. You could always put a 500kHz ceramic resonator inside an HC6/U case !! Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: LF: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , Pref round 502 KHz , fundamental, needs to be a 'big' one , for a valve oscillator ! I assume hc6u would be ok or bigger , these look to be the right type ! http://hipme.com/weblogs/wa5znu/20050302210827/xtals.jpg Tnx - G .. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md03.mx.aol.com (rly-md03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.141]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD104-8f7488791da3c3; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:17:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD037-8f7488791da3c3; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:17:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KLkjN-0001Gi-IJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:14:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KLkjN-0001GZ-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:14:37 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KLkjJ-0005ak-ON for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:14:37 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 272311C00081 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:14:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.83.11]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id B63B21C00082 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:14:23 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080723201423746.B63B21C00082@mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <18E35B939E2A4A418472A930207A288D@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <3652E16C8DF5458ABDD4D14CF2537C0A@AGB> <004a01c8eb5e$f72eed00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:14:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01C8ED09.12F12020" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C8ED09.12F12020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz ,=20 Pref round 502 KHz , fundamental, needs to be a 'big' one , for a valve=20= oscillator ! I assume hc6u would be ok or bigger , these look to be the right type ! http://hipme.com/weblogs/wa5znu/20050302210827/xtals.jpg Tnx - G ..=20 ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C8ED09.12F12020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looking for  500 Khz xtal unit , any f= req=20 ,  inside 501 504 Khz ,
 
Pref round  502 KHz , fundamental, &nb= sp;needs=20 to  be a 'big' one , for a  valve oscillator  !
 
I assume hc6u would be ok  or bigger&n= bsp;,=20 these look to  be the right type !
 
 
Tnx - G ..
 
------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C8ED09.12F12020-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (rly-ma05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.49]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA072-8ae4884d4792d5; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:25:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA058-8ae4884d4792d5; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:24:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KL03d-0006K5-Hl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:24:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KL03c-0006Jw-U1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:24:24 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-2.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.232] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KL03Y-0007Rl-Up for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:24:24 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8FAKxwhEhOlHUS/2dsb2JhbAATgl+BaoVSmy6JQw Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.117.18]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 19:24:08 +0100 Message-ID: <004a01c8eb5e$f72eed00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <3652E16C8DF5458ABDD4D14CF2537C0A@AGB> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:24:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.166,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz TX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01C8EB67.58AE35B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C8EB67.58AE35B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another DC blockbuilder I presume!!!!!! Thin in the RF arena. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:45 PM Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz TX From: mal hamilton=20 ''''My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled components from the junk box.'''= '' G-I-G-O , proved once again, as we appliance users used to say ,=20 you couldn't make it up ! G .. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C8EB67.58AE35B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
 
Another DC blockbuilder I presume!!!!!! Thi= n in the=20 RF arena.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Graham
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:45 PM=
Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz TX

 

 

''''My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled= =20 components from the junk box.'''''
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C8EB67.58AE35B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDA092-a644891dccc297; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:40:18 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA044-a644891dccc297; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:39:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOaFo-0006yy-OF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:39:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOaFo-0006yp-Aw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:39:48 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpo-eml01.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.150]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOaFl-0001Gc-E0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:39:48 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml111.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.111]) by cpsmtpo-eml01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:39:40 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml111.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:39:39 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c8f323$a5ebfb50$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: References: <000801c8f313$38a429b0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:39:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 15:39:39.0701 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4F56650:01C8F323] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.103 Subject: Re: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n hi joe, Ilook for your sgnal 24 hours a day henny cpm best 73s ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: Re: LF: 187.375khz > Hi Henny, LF Group. > > The beacon was switched off at 0230 to prevent damage from > an electrical storm. It will resume operation this evening. > Thank-you for monitoring my signals, Henny and others. > Do your receptions coincide with off-times for the high > power broadcast stations? > > Local reception tests were conducted earlier this month and it was > noted that the beacon was audible at distances of 600 km in the > daytime over a water path at 47 north. At higher latitudes > (about 50-55N) Iceland on 189 kHz was quite strong and prevented > aural reception of the beacon. What I found amazing was that > this persisted even during the daytime. Shouldn't E-layer absorption > preclude transatlantic LF propagation at high noon? There must be > something else at play?! > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, henny van elst wrote: > >> hi joe, >> this time nothing seen, >> best 73s >> henny pa3cpm. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME014-9a24880866d3c0; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:03:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME026-9a24880866d3c0; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:02:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJofH-00038j-T5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:02:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJofH-00038a-D6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:02:23 +0100 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com ([192.93.164.29] helo=crawsmail1.uk.thalesgroup.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJofE-0001Je-EZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:02:23 +0100 Received: from crawsmail1.uk.thalesgroup.com (mailsweeper1.int.rdel.co.uk) by crawsmail1.uk.thalesgroup.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.14) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:02:13 +0100 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com (lisc0021.int.rdel.co.uk) by crawsmail1.uk.thalesgroup.com (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:04:43 +0100 Received: from temps153538.tms-ltd.com ([193.150.182.142]) by mail.uk.thalesgroup.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m6IC1iwK003741 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:01:45 +0100 Received: by temps153538.tms-ltd.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <376WSAVM>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:02:12 +0100 Message-ID: <8E8D23D235D70840B6582917DF27898006935B94@temps153538.tms-ltd.com> From: Reeves Paul To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:02:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RADCOM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8E8CE.1A9F1780" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E8CE.1A9F1780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" And for some, spelling lessons...... Paul G8GJA -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net] Sent: 18 July 2008 11:46 To: rsgb Subject: LF: RADCOM Latest copy. In depth discussion about how a resistor should be represented on a cct diagram. Boxes or squiggles !!!!!!!! Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the traditional squiggle for a resistor. It seem some so called designers/engineerts and others have nothing better to do than dream up changes which are not necessary. Also, how did we all manage in the heyday of HF radio with analogue systems, not a DIGI in sight, the world still kept spinning. How about some good RF enigneering and less DC building blocks. It is more challenging to use an old basic rig, ie Collins, Drake etc and enjoy natural communications methods like CW and VOICE (AM or SSB). No complicated digital modes are necessary, just a steady sound CW fist, good symetrical ears and for some elecution lessons !! de G3KEV This email, including any attachment, is a confidential communication intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. It contains information which is private and may be proprietary or covered by legal professional privilege. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender upon receipt, and immediately delete it from your system. Anything contained in this email that is not connected with the businesses of this company is neither endorsed by nor is the liability of this company. 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Paul    G8GJA
-----Original Message-----
From: mal hamilton=20 [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net]
Sent: 18 July 2008=20 11:46
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: RADCOM
Latest copy.
In depth discussion about how a resistor=20= should=20 be represented on a cct diagram.
Boxes or squiggles !!!!!!!!
Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocy= cles,=20 condensers, and the traditional squiggle for a resistor. It seem some so=20 called designers/engineerts and others have nothing better to do than drea= m up=20 changes which are not necessary.
Also, how did we all manage in the heyday= of HF=20 radio with analogue systems, not a DIGI in sight, the world still kept=20 spinning.
How about some good RF enigneering and le= ss DC=20 building blocks.
It is more challenging to use an old basi= c rig,=20 ie Collins, Drake etc and enjoy natural communications methods like CW and= =20 VOICE (AM or SSB).
No complicated digital modes are necessar= y, just=20 a steady sound CW fist, good symetrical ears and for some elecution lesson= s=20 !!
de G3KEV
 

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E8CE.1A9F1780-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD024-b5c4884acb573; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:35:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD016-b5c4884acb573; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:35:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKxPM-0005k1-Jj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:34:40 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKxPM-0005js-0Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:34:40 +0100 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.168]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKxPJ-0003ko-9u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:34:39 +0100 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so1073176wfa.16 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:34:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=nwqaxPsOQQ16/a2XHQfWUxTh1579qUmTv695GtvzHoU=; b=d2K85rsC0QOsA6RHKNRT+W/vXSQHQGWhQSVT+v0CXl+O98U8D1MEAuYNXCQuWAkihB zL+l5VS+edLY3M6dHv69ejP1QFasJ2i2jIHnswu9FB04Z0CwgPssYBUZ1YH3fWylGrtW cF801KEJ2+g5zPOFt1ZPqryjoE3By4tJ9vkzs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=knb+fV2Qj3v+6+eQTQGHwS0BZAbJ04TeScg4VU5oTiUn/JvJdeQ8i7WWQJPiwZGK/3 6APqeTctnPVSLXXbY32wuYSp4yph3elDL1rNlZxM1L5Y5TrSIgN6SetIsswRMRUVWBz7 knd8OUgG90ewQLf75LVUE+jeMCa1GkPpA/vQ4= Received: by 10.142.153.8 with SMTP id a8mr1380310wfe.316.1216654473643; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.233.5 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48ff10040807210834v58d6be30sf2424ec4f2d5af25@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:33 -0400 From: "Mitch Buchman" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <002901c8eb29$b39ce6d0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <002901c8eb29$b39ce6d0$6401a8c0@asus> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) How is this different from an eggbeater or turnstile antenna, that is often used at VHF? http://pagesperso-orange.fr/on6wg/Doc/Antenne%20Eggbeater-Engl-Part1-Full.pdf and ARRL Radio Amateur Satellite Handbook 1st ed, p10-16 Mitch KB3MYC On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Andy, LF, > > You wrote :- > > "Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre line > but at right angles to each other so there should be no coupling > between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and > resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original > value." > > I have been pondering about something similar as I have problems remotely > rotating yet another antenna. > > My idea is to make the loops in the same way as you describe but feed the 2 > loops to the two inputs of a balanced pre-amp like the G3LNP loop pre-amp > shown in the "LF Experimenters Handbook" > > What are your thoughts on that please. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot > Sent: 21 July 2008 12:30 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Loop Conundrum > > Was pondering this while out walking the other day, and couldn't come > to a satisfactory conclusion either way... > > A small magnetic loop mounted vertically has a defined radiation > resistance that is a function of its diameter, a loss that is function > of its conductor and hence a loss or efficiency that is the ratio of > the two. It is resonated with a good quality vacuum capacitor, and > fed/matched by any suitable metrhod. Lets also leave aside all the > myth and folklore about small loops, and also ignore the environment > for now. It also as a radiation pattern with nulls. > > Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre > line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling > between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and > resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original > value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled > in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. > > BUT... > What is the resulting change in efficiency? > > Argument 1: > Two identical loops = two times the loss R, but also two times the > radiation resistance (since they don't couple) so net efficiency > remains the same. > > Argument 2 : > Chu-Harrington relates efficiency / Q / bandwidth / volume enclosed. > Therefore, as the enclosed volume has increased, the effciency ought > to rise. > > Both arguments developed little side trendrils & thoughts as I walked > and pondered, and both appear valid in their own way. So > the floor is open for discussion :- > > And where does the net radiation pattern fit into the equation? Does > it, at all ? > -- > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > > ps. Fascinating paper on EMP btw. - I was up way past midnight last > night reading it. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD091-b66488ca57711b; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:42:46 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD028-b66488ca57711b; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:42:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KN9Hx-0006Nl-S5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:40:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KN9Hx-0006Nc-7G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:40:05 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpo-eml04.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.153]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KN9Hu-0005rw-Gt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:40:05 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml109.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.109]) by cpsmtpo-eml04.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:39:56 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml109.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:39:56 +0200 Message-ID: <001601c8f007$6761f750$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:39:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2008 16:39:56.0796 (UTC) FILETIME=[67434BC0:01C8F007] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8F018.29A15760" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8F018.29A15760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi joe, nothing seen on the screen today henny pa3cpm gl 73s ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8F018.29A15760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi joe,
 
nothing seen on the screen=20 today
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8F018.29A15760-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD104-91f487e790312e; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:41:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD087-91f487e790312e; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:41:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJFfe-0007cq-Hg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:40:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJFfd-0007ch-PR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:40:25 +0100 Received: from imo-m12.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.100] helo=imo-m12.mail.aol.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJFfa-0000mQ-S4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:40:25 +0100 Received: from GandalfG8@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id l.c94.352dd052 (30740) for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: GandalfG8@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:40:12 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1216248012" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + -------------------------------1216248012 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 16/07/2008 22:13:58 GMT Daylight Time, alan.melia@btinternet.com writes: Radcom is not the only "Journal" to suffer the attack of the "designers" Electronics World has had the same tacky "make-over" ..... ------------- Hi Alan I was reflecting after posting my comments that perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned individuals by name, but that it would have been difficult to make my point without it being obvious anyway as to whom I was referring. I reflected too on the "demise" experienced by Wireless World or whatever they called it at the the time. I'd comment on great minds thinking alike but, of course, am far too modest for that:-) Joking apart, it was a sadly similar scenario of a once excellent technical publication sinking into insignificance with, yet again, some unfortunate editorial choices. I remember one new editor seeming to take pride in his lack of electronic knowledge but wanting to encourage what he saw as Wireless World's reputation for inciting "controversy". It didn't seem to occur to his limited editorial brain that Wireless World, as was anyway, didn't encourage controversy but rather didn't discourage the free exchange of ideas. As you so rightly point out, WW has sunk to the level of an expensive nothingness. Are we to conclude that RadCom is headed in the same direction? regards Nigel GM8PZR -------------------------------1216248012 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 16/07/2008 22:13:58 GMT Daylight Time,=20 alan.melia@btinternet.com writes:
Radcom=20 is not the only "Journal" to suffer
the attack of the "designers"=20 Electronics World has had the same tacky
"make-over"=20 .....
-------------
Hi Alan
 
I was reflecting after posting my comments that perhaps I shouldn't hav= e=20 mentioned individuals by name, but that it would have been difficult to make= my=20 point without it being obvious anyway as to whom I was referring.
 
I reflected too on the "demise" experienced by Wire= less=20 World or whatever they called it at the the time.
I'd comment on great minds thinking alike but, of course, am far too mo= dest=20 for that:-)
 
Joking apart, it was a sadly similar scenario of a once excellent techn= ical=20 publication sinking into insignificance with, yet again, some unfortunate=20 editorial choices.
I remember one new editor seeming to take pride in his lack of electron= ic=20 knowledge but wanting to encourage what he saw as Wireless World's reputatio= n=20 for inciting "controversy".
It didn't seem to occur to his limited editorial brain that Wireless Wo= rld,=20 as was anyway, didn't encourage controversy but rather didn't discourage the= =20 free exchange of ideas.
 
As you so rightly point out, WW has sunk to the level of an expensive=20 nothingness.
Are we to conclude that RadCom is headed in the same direction?
 
regards
 
Nigel
GM8PZR
 
 
-------------------------------1216248012-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh01.mx.aol.com (rly-mh01.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.137]) by air-mh01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH011-bb54880b23c3a4; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:10:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH015-bb54880b23c3a4; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:09:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJraX-0004Si-Gk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:09:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJraX-0004SZ-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:09:41 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJraU-0003H6-BQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:09:41 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAK9OgEhOkJ5h/2dsb2JhbACEW6pN Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.158.97]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 16:09:26 +0100 Message-ID: <004901c8e8e8$462892e0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <003001c8e8e1$75c37ad0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:09:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Very widespread non use of metric weights and measures How about all the different spoken/written languages in the world. This is where CW operators have an advantage using internationnal Q and Z codes plus other international abbreviationns and procedures also used by the marine and aeronautical services. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derry Hamilton" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM > 2008/7/18 mal hamilton : >> The majority of far east countries do not use the metric system, nor does >> the middle east for weights and measures >> G3KEV > > While there may be widespread usage of non-metric units, with the > exception of Mayanmar, the entire far and middle east has officially > adopted SI. > > GM4FH > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE073-4d9487b9cf6156; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:37:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE056-4d9487b9cf6156; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:37:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KISvG-0002mu-38 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:37:18 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KISvF-0002ml-Fh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:37:17 +0100 Received: from web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.123]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KISvF-00082z-90 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:37:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 18693 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2008 18:37:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=hMz1y+MBtdpTw18efnndc7+bhyRGfrlwP/DZs1z+7aRM292tLyZJ56myWEsHGO9Bi2SzMRV29sPic9HtcjaVpkcNke5n/QOPxEu9jXez5SbGEQFghLS7f0KRe7RUucOyKvX2YFKoK+DFqNtkpzVqBdqACqrO1fsbNenGOYNwoEA=; Received: from [86.166.79.243] by web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:37:10 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:37:10 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <466129.18591.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1123945169-1216060630=:18591" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n --0-1123945169-1216060630=:18591 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All =C2=A0 Congratulations Chris on your 500 QSOs on 500kc/s and was delighted to be th= e 499th. =C2=A0 Thanks for being on the band so often and putting up with my doubtfull CW!!! =C2=A0 73petefmt --- On Mon, 14/7/08, Graham wrote: From: Graham Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Monday, 14 July, 2008, 6:39 PM #yiv713413383 v\:* {} #yiv713413383 o\:* {} #yiv713413383 w\:* {} #yiv713413383 .shape {} Chris, =C2=A0 500 qso's ? didn't think =C2=A0there was that much rtty on the band ..hihi..= =20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Graham ..=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:24 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Chris, =C2=A0 Well done, heard you up here also but not really strong. =C2=A0 Gary =E2=80=93 G4WGT. =C2=A0 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of Chris Osborn Sent: 13 July 2008 21:25 To: LF Group Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO =C2=A0 LF / MF There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz today permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band. Stations worked:- 496=C2=A0 G3DXZ=C2=A0=20 497=C2=A0 G3UNT=C2=A0=20 498=C2=A0 G3ZWH=C2=A0=20 499=C2=A0 M0FMT=C2=A0=20 500=C2=A0 G3XPU=C2=A0=20 73 Chris G3XIZ =C2=A0 Not happy with your email address?=20 Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now=20= at Yahoo!No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: 7/13/2008 1= 7:58 __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now=20= at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html --0-1123945169-1216060630=:18591 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All

 

Congratulations Chris on your 500 QSOs on 500kc/s and was delighted to be= the 499th.

 

Thanks for being on the band so often and putting up with my doubtfull CW= !!!

 

73petefmt

--- On Mon, 14/7/08, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.= co.uk> wrote:

From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject= : Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Dat= e: Monday, 14 July, 2008, 6:39 PM

Chris,
 
500 qso's ? didn't think  there was th= at much rtty on the band ..hihi..
 
 
Graham ..
 
 
 
 

Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:24 PM
Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO

Chr= is,

&nb= sp;

Wel= l done, heard you up here also but not really strong.

&nb= sp;

Gar= y =E2=80=93 G4WGT.

&nb= sp;

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Chris Osborn
Sent: 13 July 2008 21:25
To: LF Group
Subje= ct: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO

 

LF / MF

There was a reasonable amount of activity on= 500 kHz today
permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band.
Stations worked:-

496  G3DXZ 
497  G3UNT  <= BR>498  G3ZWH 
499  M0FMT 
500  G3XPU =

73
Chris G3XIZ

 

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Get the one you=20 really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! --0-1123945169-1216060630=:18591-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de10.mx.aol.com (rly-de10.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.146]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE082-50648847346145; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:30:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE101-50648847346145; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:30:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKtaF-0004Lb-AX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:29:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKtaE-0004LS-Tj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:29:38 +0100 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.157]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKtaC-00036j-1w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:29:38 +0100 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so432580ywk.64 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:29:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=t+LyXAW+7hW6PnmYHCUlUTc2J1HDavdIsfcA7O6vlUc=; b=szkrdKaCwVhkH3qMTsf7gIjIDbkXI4GoNFJM5ffhx2h79uFjf3y9D9mB7g20Z5XKAk CjmHbk6CymnQcnolxccPM0g8L1X3C/y/qKgUA0fJSUngwU9fiCAikwu4Ihx+qzYeiTdF iSWCMQ7wvSwXSOmjtH1udt7pdeYHVEvbK+/ZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=J25hWCn9VgftL3nk///gseqwWClQwCMLAPHaq9yQOTgsN1w4kdpgSBkvX16OJ2bOfO 6mYRmUWVG15b9tDZgEgIpKTs39hn2dmuw5hzwSma/z3OcVTaEBhhjfQefUBSNFHtPKaH lsD5WIfGJ+4Ex/PQmZnQMjySLTFFZo/B/SrIg= Received: by 10.150.148.19 with SMTP id v19mr3640891ybd.240.1216639773585; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.50.21 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:29:33 +0100 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Was pondering this while out walking the other day, and couldn't come to a satisfactory conclusion either way... A small magnetic loop mounted vertically has a defined radiation resistance that is a function of its diameter, a loss that is function of its conductor and hence a loss or efficiency that is the ratio of the two. It is resonated with a good quality vacuum capacitor, and fed/matched by any suitable metrhod. Lets also leave aside all the myth and folklore about small loops, and also ignore the environment for now. It also as a radiation pattern with nulls. Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. BUT... What is the resulting change in efficiency? Argument 1: Two identical loops = two times the loss R, but also two times the radiation resistance (since they don't couple) so net efficiency remains the same. Argument 2 : Chu-Harrington relates efficiency / Q / bandwidth / volume enclosed. Therefore, as the enclosed volume has increased, the effciency ought to rise. Both arguments developed little side trendrils & thoughts as I walked and pondered, and both appear valid in their own way. So the floor is open for discussion :- And where does the net radiation pattern fit into the equation? Does it, at all ? -- Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt ps. Fascinating paper on EMP btw. - I was up way past midnight last night reading it. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG083-a1e4884609e327; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:11:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG068-a1e4884609e327; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:10:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKsLO-00049V-Iy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:10:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKsLL-00049M-U0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:10:11 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-1.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.231] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKsLI-0001CO-2d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:10:11 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArcFAOH8g0hZ8o7X/2dsb2JhbAATgi0ygWqDbYFbCpoHiQo Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.142.215]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 11:10:00 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:09:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 khz TX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8EB22.50A38BD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8EB22.50A38BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled components from the junk box. 1940 xtal in osc IC osc chip/IC divider chip/IC driver chip/FET PA class E, then on the drain= side 1940's ceramic inductor (tinned copper wire) out of a TU5B tuning unit, 1950= 's tube TV line output core, rewound for impedence matching FET/50 ohms. LPF using unmarked cores similar to FT200 type. FET out of an old marine tx 1960's vintage.=20 CCT board for chips reworked from an old pre used board. Ferrite chokes in V + line from old smpu, decoupling capacitors and misc it= ems, small heatsink and fan from junk box. Psu for chips 12 regulated, ex surplus Psu for FET rebuilt using ex surplus high capacity capacitors, not regulated The finished package looks neat and tidy and is totally reliable, and no SMO= KE The secret to avoid smoke in class E is to get the FET drain matching netwo= rk spot on to avoid voltage/current spikes during switching. If designed pro= perly you will be in the ball park and just need minor adjustments ie adjust= ing coil tappings while making observations on a 'scope. =20 I used components that I had lying around in junk boxes and the cost was NIL= . This is the TX that I used on 500 khz to work VE1ZZ and RW3ADB on normal CW. 73 De Mal/G3KEV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8EB22.50A38BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled compo= nents=20 from the junk box.
 
1940 xtal in osc
 
IC osc chip/IC divider chip/IC driver chip/= FET PA=20 class E, then on the drain side
 
1940's ceramic inductor (tinned copper=20 wire) out of a TU5B tuning unit, 1950's tube TV line output c= ore,=20 rewound for impedence matching FET/50 ohms.
 
LPF using unmarked cores similar to=20 FT200 type.
 
FET out of an old marine tx 1960's vintage.= =20
 
CCT board for chips reworked from an old pr= e used=20 board.
 
Ferrite chokes in V +  line from=20= old=20 smpu, decoupling capacitors and misc items, small heatsink and fan from junk= =20 box.
 
Psu for chips 12 regulated, ex surplus
 
Psu for FET rebuilt using ex surplus high c= apacity=20 capacitors, not regulated
 
The finished package looks neat and tidy an= d is=20 totally reliable, and no SMOKE
 
The secret to avoid smoke in class=20 E  is to get the FET drain matching network spot on to avoid=20 voltage/current spikes during switching. If designed properly you will=20= be=20 in the ball park and just need minor adjustments ie adjusting coil=20 tappings while making observations on a 'scope.
 
I used components that I had lying around i= n junk=20 boxes and the cost was NIL.
 
This is the TX that I used on 500 khz to wo= rk VE1ZZ=20 and RW3ADB on normal CW.
 
73 De Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8EB22.50A38BD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh04.mx.aol.com (rly-mh04.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.140]) by air-mh01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH011-bc9486a7490330; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:16:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH041-bc9486a7490330; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:16:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KDkNw-0008SS-Cl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:15:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KDkNv-0008SJ-VQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:15:23 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-4.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.234] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KDkNs-00051x-Pn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:15:23 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArJFAIwQakhOkLWzPGdsb2JhbACIXoJqhl8BAQEBLaBQ Received: from unknown (HELO g3kev) ([78.144.181.179]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 01 Jul 2008 19:15:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c8dba6$62a03620$0301a8c0@g3kev> From: "mal" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:13:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: -1000: uceprotect.blacklist: if-match(0) => return-bad(1.0) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 6 - 600m Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi all 600 m nil 6m wide open all around EU and Russia. Lots of sporadic E Some SSB and lots of CW De Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME052-9e14880d06113f; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:18:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME105-9e14880d06113f; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:18:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJtb4-0004wy-Ik for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:18:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJtb4-0004wp-7A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:18:22 +0100 Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.3] helo=imo-m22.mail.aol.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJtb1-0004Vq-Il for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:18:22 +0100 Received: from GandalfG8@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id l.ce3.36181d86 (42809) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:18:09 -0400 (EDT) From: GandalfG8@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:18:09 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: KEEP GOING Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1216401488" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + -------------------------------1216401488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/07/2008 18:16:38 GMT Daylight Time, g3kevmal@talktalk.net writes: MF and LF are virtually dead and I thought the reflector had gone the same way, I was wrong, just give you boys some ammunition and there are ATTACKS and counter ATTACKS. Keep it up LOL -------------------------------1216401488 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 18/07/2008 18:16:38 GMT Daylight Time,=20 g3kevmal@talktalk.net writes:
MF and LF are virtuall= y dead and I thought the reflector had=20 gone the same way, I was wrong,  just give you boys some ammunition a= nd=20 there are ATTACKS and counter ATTACKS. Keep it=20 up
LOL
 -------------------------------1216401488-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB013-ac04888de6d204; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:57:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB046-ac04888de6d204; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:56:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KM6v9-0004So-SW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:56:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KM6v9-0004Sf-Bx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:56:15 +0100 Received: from smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.72]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KM6v5-0007V7-Aa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:56:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 92997 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2008 19:56:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance:In-Reply-To; b=D9T7iVKMoKcAAc9qTjikV4lYHDjxthEKMy10DBAlqgTdfJqaIzmo6x6LnLZBTvAb12JIrRTCMrF6FKXgxkFkjQ/cF2HnySL8Ir0g8xaBgQinmFvPjIw/yX+9QTExW32THqsyU8sNPydI2MeWbCjTMc2Mi4f9QYF2PRVNyz+A+Us= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.141.122.190 with login) by smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2008 19:56:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 71ba2M8VM1nQj2SHU3jN6M2wq58GMCPBlLHx1bacNmSxc.CXDotqAVEjZnNE5PmnYbsTRvULLl8yU3Q5dDrdH869QWskSXXSnLEP6BLraRhTBR0UY2oyJnGeajwjUEU- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:57:11 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004101c8edc4$b4bc9590$6401a8c0@asus> X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: RE: 600m Info Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Steve, LF, I agree with Gary about the M0BMU LF Tuning meter. It works fine without modification although you will probably have to re-calibrate the Antenna Current part - mine reads low on 500 kHz. Getting going on 600m is pretty easy compared with 2200m - the major hurdle in the UK seem to be the need to apply for a Notice of Variation to one's UK license. Here are some useful 500 Khz resources:- http://www.gm4slv.org.uk/tx.htm http://www.wireless.org.uk/geton501.htm Mike G3XDV has produced a book that contains 600m info - check out the RSGB bookshop. And there is plenty of expertise to be found on this reflector as well! 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windor SE England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 24 July 2008 20:37 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 600m Info Steve, LF, Re: "Scopematch" I built the "LF Tuning Meter" from Jim M0BMU for 136 KHz & I now use it for 500 KHz & it works just as well. Quoting from the article :- "This LF tuning meter was conceived to perform the same function, but to be a simple, self-contained unit requiring no additional power supply." http://www.picks.plus.com/software/LFtunemeter.pdf Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve McDonald Sent: 24 July 2008 18:59 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 600m Info Are there any web sites devoted to 600m circuits etc? I am aware of the U.S. group one as well as G3YMC's page and N4ICK's tx design, but perhaps there are others as well? Several of the 2200m experimental licencees have just been asked to submit formal proposals for 600m experimental permits here in Canada so things are starting to look positive but I have no idea of the timeline. Just in case, I thought I had better get the soldering iron warmed-up once again, not that it has ever really cooled-off. Also...does anyone know how well the M0MBU scope match circuit (that works so wonderfully-well on 2200m) performs on 600m without any modification? Steve / VE7SL Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINME072-9b24892137694; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:33:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME046-9b24892137694; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:33:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOdsk-0007Th-Qg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:32:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOdsk-0007TY-Cc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:32:14 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOdsh-0004iA-Ie for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:32:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 80939 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 19:32:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=5AKc/d+ghd+uMhAVU6GWR1t93o1Sc0Ryd/X8w8E9SSLmfmZEeOdKyOoF50hrI3KJTL5dT2Ez6pC7JTVyqkJdbeVeGemALg/ZIKR5ZVqEbDRgm9NNVUy3eLPcmAPveeMMMAIO9w6g712RReSl3c7X4VGN/x5V4rlOMRZ+5urFBaM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.56.69 with login) by smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 19:32:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xUrPfd4VM1nbH7kdh8xTmacF_N0ax.l.UlTCXA4JHzTvXTzMdgi4_GRDVdrmD6tjwFjQJG67A6VfLqvMXDF1dgpKoVJHi3Fe5xgcNvE9i5JVRXBTUyQqlaMX.EsmPX9d4vs- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <003001c8f344$1d6bf840$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <000801c8f313$38a429b0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:26:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi Joe my guess is at extreme daytime range you are getting D-layer returns at this time of year. The D-layer is quite highly ionised in summer daytime, and you are way out of ground wave range at that power. LF signals usually have enough strength to survive one reflection in daytime at grazing incidence (minimum pennetration of the absorbing layer) There is a characteristic "Dome" shape to the signal plot in daytime with a peak when the sun is overhead at mid-path. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: LF: 187.375khz > Hi Henny, LF Group. > > The beacon was switched off at 0230 to prevent damage from > an electrical storm. It will resume operation this evening. > Thank-you for monitoring my signals, Henny and others. > Do your receptions coincide with off-times for the high > power broadcast stations? > > Local reception tests were conducted earlier this month and it was > noted that the beacon was audible at distances of 600 km in the > daytime over a water path at 47 north. At higher latitudes > (about 50-55N) Iceland on 189 kHz was quite strong and prevented > aural reception of the beacon. What I found amazing was that > this persisted even during the daytime. Shouldn't E-layer absorption > preclude transatlantic LF propagation at high noon? There must be > something else at play?! > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, henny van elst wrote: > > > hi joe, > > this time nothing seen, > > best 73s > > henny pa3cpm. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA044-a70487a3b6d2e9; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:29:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA058-a70487a3b6d2e9; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:29:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KI5LR-0006r9-JT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:26:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KI5LP-0006r0-0R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:26:43 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KI5LL-0008EI-9F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:26:42 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiBWAP/XeUhZ8YuQPGdsb2JhbAATgjAvgWqEE4EnCogDAQEBAS2LLolK Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.241.139.144]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2008 18:26:32 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c8e50d$97ee46d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:26:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8E515.F923B540" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8E515.F923B540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable de test=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8E515.F923B540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8E515.F923B540-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (rly-ma01.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.44]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA084-88e488382691f0; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:22:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA018-88e488382691f0; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:22:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKdY4-0002gJ-9d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:22:20 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKdY3-0002gA-PE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:22:19 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.52]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKdY0-0004wb-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:22:19 +0100 X-Trace: 50204213/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.75.140.173 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.75.140.173 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: daves_shack@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAK8eg0hPS4yt/2dsb2JhbACtIA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,219,1215385200"; d="scan'208";a="50204213" Received: from 79-75-140-173.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO SN046981320192) ([79.75.140.173]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 19:22:08 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01c8ea95$8422d0c0$0200a8c0@SN046981320192> From: "Dave G4GED" To: References: , <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM>, <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <001901c8ea7c$5c51fb20$0401a8c0@lindavideo> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:22:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: LF RadCom Articles Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + Ken, I just had to congratulate you. State of the art technology it may not be but it's tops for State of the art Ingenuity.! It works dosn't it and we're in this for amusement arn't we? Thats what matters. Well Done, I say.! 73 Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: LF: Re: LF RadCom Articles > Hello All LFers > I just thought that I would add my two pennyworth to the debate regarding > RadCom 500kHz constructional articles. There must be many of us who design > and build our own equipment, but do not submit it for possible publication > because, state of the art technology it is not, the design is not > particularly elegant, and the Technical Editor and the more accomplished > contributors would fall over laughing when they saw it. But most of these > projects are practical and they work. I work on the KISS (Keep It Simple > Stupid) principle, don't use three components when one will work just as > well. My 500kHz TX does not have any fancy CW sidetone circuit on > transmit, just a piezo buzzer wired across the keyed 12v line to the > driver board, the most complicated bit is the LCL output stage, which > delivers 23W into a 50ohm dummy load and 900mA up the antenna, the TX/RX > switching is like the old days, a simple toggle switch. > On the subject of circuit symbols, for the Admiralty, resistors had to > have a set number of points on the zig zag, wires crossed using bridges, > and capacitors were called Jars. > I am now preparing to travel to China to view the Total Solar Eclipse on > the 1st of August, when I return I expect to find messages calling for me > to be burnt at the stake for such heresy. > > 73 > > Ken Wright > M0KHW > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Dennison" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:48 AM > Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom > > >> As Managing Editor of RadCom in the 1990s (and having worked in the >> RadCom office as a freelance temp for several months recently) I can >> confirm the comments by Rik and Alan that the content is very much >> governed by what members send in. The Editor is always desperate for >> good (preferably simple) construction articles, but very few are >> submitted despite numerous requests. Efforts have been made to >> include regular construction columns, such as the excellent new one >> by Andy, G4JNT. >> >> A specialist interest column is included only when an individual is >> prepared to write it regularly. Thanks to Dave, G3YXM, LF is >> represented. Perhaps someone from the satellite fraternity could make >> a similar commitment. >> >> There was a good response when I asked for 500kHz construction >> projects for my book LF Today. There should be no shortage of >> potential contributors to RadCom on this subject. You even get paid >> for your troubles. >> >> Solution. Don't grumble here (waste of time). Instead write to the >> Editor with your views. Better still, offer to write a column or one- >> off construction article. >> >> Mike, G3XDV >> =========== >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF083-9444880eb02201; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:12:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF022-9444880eb02201; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:12:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJvMy-0005IX-2Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:11:56 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJvMx-0005IO-L3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:11:55 +0100 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.173]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJvMu-0002eH-QN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:11:55 +0100 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so263651wfa.16 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:11:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=MWJADR6SayEeeR0+qXw50uPPUBRlD4zCWAlJ9wONDxo=; b=kK3TG9UBLNQlXXx4Sxm3xWU+wt65/hA7HaLqCpAFrgh6WHR+rCyMW2gJ2brQyK2diC +0jWAdNyGjnI583RIZ/qK9qlrjYqSOgupXk9nJu/C3zANmEUE+D3tkU+682Tsxx5nLic RqrgS7ODEPuyhVGbD4HZxC/oJeGDs2MSaxiow= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Iqvg5BGgbf1AqgYbBfD1KaTtusRV6rNG2cou2LKXTmsr60tTPCJQMZT7NoqbsqdZ7g 85igAQnLyNr3cJLgGhIevqmdpa1Pf7b0/xkfaWKM4ZMWUNvTLDqxpgVp4Fw72DGHXXAo /0XIr0k2V5uQNDt63Sf737tp+u+wX8OGrpwfQ= Received: by 10.142.127.10 with SMTP id z10mr169762wfc.263.1216408306739; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.37.10 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <57a24ca70807181211v7b97fec8u4cbbdd7a1ac0a609@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:11:46 -0400 From: "Warren Ziegler" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001101c8e8c8$f0665280$0b01a8c0@weazle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001101c8e8c8$f0665280$0b01a8c0@weazle> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Tube amplifier website Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) J.B, Go to: http://www.wireless.org.uk/gallery/gallerlf.htm Scroll down to the picture LX1PD's tube amplifier and click on the picture, you will be able to get the schematic etc in zipped form. 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:25 AM, J. B. Weazle McCreath wrote: > Hello LFers, > > I've somehow lost the URL to a site which featured a multi-tube, > untuned RF amplifier for the 136-137 kHz. band. Can anyone > on this list point me in the right direction to it? Tnx in advance. > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL > Solar and wind powered > Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 > EN93dr > > http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle > > > > > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA104-a6848808bd15d; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:26:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA048-a6848808bd15d; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:25:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJp17-0003G0-TD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:24:57 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJp17-0003Fr-80 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:24:57 +0100 Received: from fish2.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.163]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJp12-0007cL-Nc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:24:56 +0100 Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.137.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.137]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 2631D3D2CC8 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.137.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.137]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca with SMTP id vj7eYOeNdLz0AZ0h for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101c8e8c8$f0665280$0b01a8c0@weazle> From: "J. 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Weazle McCreath" To: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:25:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Tube amplifier website Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + Hello LFers, I've somehow lost the URL to a site which featured a multi-tube, untuned RF amplifier for the 136-137 kHz. band. Can anyone on this list point me in the right direction to it? Tnx in advance. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 EN93dr http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG082-a0c4887a86b75; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:54:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG046-a0c4887a86b75; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:53:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KLmH9-0001mL-LX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:53:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KLmH9-0001mC-8A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:53:35 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KLmH6-0006KH-9K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:53:35 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 920921C00081 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:53:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.83.11]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id D7F1F1C00088 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:53:21 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080723215321884.D7F1F1C00088@mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <3652E16C8DF5458ABDD4D14CF2537C0A@AGB> <004a01c8eb5e$f72eed00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <18E35B939E2A4A418472A930207A288D@AGB> <001701c8ed07$d9f49d20$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:53:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Ok Alan Its been a long time since i used anything like this ! , used to watch G3SX etching xtal's with a bath of hydrofloric acid and a bc221 , think FT840 or something like that or 480 , small unit that the front plate came off . ive edge ground them on a finishing oil stone , never used vim , dose that remove side bands ? :) Any 'big' rock will do , I think I have a 500 Khz unit , which would grind 'hf' but would not like to make a mess of it , better , see if I can find one 'in band' size is not a problem ... Tnx - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan Melia" Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:05 PM To: Subject: LF: Re: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , > Hi Graham 500khz crystals are quite difficult to make and certainly you > wount fine one in a smaller package than HC6/U as far as I remember. There > are some 10X series rocks that were used in one of the frequency > calibrators > (No 10 I think) They will need chasing up a little with some "scouring > powder". I think that is probably the best bet.....good luck finding > one...... I have one but its part of my crystal collection so not for sale > :-)) > > I have seen 453.xx kHz crystals in HC6/U but never come across any 500kHz. > You could always put a 500kHz ceramic resonator inside an HC6/U case !! > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:14 PM > Subject: LF: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz > , > > > Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , > > Pref round 502 KHz , fundamental, needs to be a 'big' one , for a > valve > oscillator ! > > I assume hc6u would be ok or bigger , these look to be the right type ! > > http://hipme.com/weblogs/wa5znu/20050302210827/xtals.jpg > > Tnx - G .. > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 > 13:31 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG092-a2648917e522c2; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:57:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG078-a2648917e522c2; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:56:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOTxk-000604-Aw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:56:44 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOTxj-0005zv-TE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:56:43 +0100 Received: from qb-out-1314.google.com ([72.14.204.171]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOTxf-0001sg-M6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:56:43 +0100 Received: by qb-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id e10so478056qbe.32 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:56:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:date:mime-version :subject:message-id:priority:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-description:sender; bh=YBkicO00KrV/VOd8UBp8PYCeacq8dQpToeDE5cZ19Bo=; b=gs5+V5BnRev8oQh2T3AR7FYX2k8PwLwuxxNkfvexsS51LLhiKHagGOaMTm6m/CuwaU XshOyvv8ksIDlrFvAFnSQtBrBs3KO3nwuoFYq2Yre6Wqq02HxnRAb0F2QmdUvr/rZM4n +8rfCBIGZ8juYzYbDyrScY1Xg4BtLWbR/sTcs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:date:mime-version:subject:message-id:priority:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-description:sender; b=n5FsT8Rn2dTQNvd2B1Pg7jgJExWtTeZwRo4lFQRUo1XMbTP9P75gNuGn6afzb3K6h8 a878rev7emcEonCqBrxS/zL2X9GirgRH/eUjjaQpHXYuZSdnNW1+wQSK+GpP+Z9/fuCT 9LU0v2eTTHaKuIbQbKCqY5vxlbZDGnh4OlqIQ= Received: by 10.210.144.3 with SMTP id r3mr3939085ebd.56.1217494597049; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.5? ( [86.149.242.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q9sm4886707gve.5.2008.07.31.01.56.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:56:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:56:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <48918C50.22493.BDB0CA@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <88A15F009F7B44C68AA1DBAF58F1D2AF@DennisPC> References: <88A15F009F7B44C68AA1DBAF58F1D2AF@DennisPC> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: NOVICE LF OPERATOR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n On 31 Jul 2008 at 9:38, DENNIS EASTERLING wrote: > Location is Biggleswade about 60km North of London, Locator IO92UC Ah I guess you will be able to work Chris G3XIZ!! If you have not done so yet, have a look at my MF pages - http://www.davesergeant.com/mf to see what you can do in a garden about your size. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df10.mx.aol.com (rly-df10.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.23]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-585487f1de037a; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:24:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF108-585487f1de037a; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:24:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJQeg-0000YK-V2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:10 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJQeg-0000YB-GQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:10 +0100 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJQee-0004Yg-0n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:10 +0100 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q7so931465uge.13 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:24:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=QNUFEIUySWFrZs803b08o/T0o6r4F0iZVgEou8MoonE=; b=uq4dRozGsR53CbtWDUb1XCYSCvQc4+FA9/DZyJmWeflAsF79HSS5Ltk7y6s5eD/CpX XG4+rpWP6nTRpqHdZjR9rzOOUj/HwBOCggRl3IDlbyxF8m0mtZoEWv6xtBjD9UbQZ7mk JnHdK2CGwrFwfvtLLdskYPQpJozqRhrJbWEWg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=n/Xg6VJFWc88mQJ2XgG3RJmwRj1TYocBRoCnmGJnvHsJ+3p7IJqB1hDRxn7YHrzAMO WIs3Eyjmqy6ZJ1q3FSufVUJmY6CV+u96wmb2MiljhZ3BqUXlD9jcIQBDeQnxyuKo9vjL uxquJ8buCIqMXg3v52830no+0t+fDBasOpZZk= Received: by 10.210.125.7 with SMTP id x7mr993843ebc.45.1216290246792; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.110.2 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:06 +0100 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Two pijnts... 1) Satellites Having just joined Amsat (because I felt I 'ought' to) I'm less than impressed with a) Oscar News which has had no technical content in the two issues so far received, and b) The Amsat -UK web site. In spite of supposed to being able to log in I can't after several requests. Seems there is nothing there anyway So all in all, don't look to much from the UK Am satellite scene. 2) Constructional articles Radcom is always looking out for things. My new column can continue based on years of my own-experimentation and building in quintillions of different subject areas from DC to pink light, digits and analogue, but I would like input from others. Anything that isn't yet another wire antenna or a new H-Mode mixer, and certainly no valves would be welcome; mid-range to upper end technology is preferred using modern(ish, in amateur terms) devices. Don't want to cover simple basics, that is best left to Eamon and Ian in their columns. Waiting... Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG073-a0e48848b7d303; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:13:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG048-a0e48848b7d303; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:13:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKvCN-0005A4-25 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:13:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKvCM-00059v-By for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:13:06 +0100 Received: from smtpauth19.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.30]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKvCI-00067B-8M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:13:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 6582 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 13:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (64.206.3.50) by smtpauth19.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.30) with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2008 13:11:54 -0000 Message-ID: <48848B4B.3070401@w1tag.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:12:43 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1KKtyY-2JdIrg0@fwd34.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1KKtyY-2JdIrg0@fwd34.t-online.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andy, Better yet, take a soccer ball and start winding wire around it until you have completed a 90 degree arc on both sides. What's the resulting pattern? John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh03.mx.aol.com (rly-mh03.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.139]) by air-mh04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH044-bc748847b6d8e; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:05:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH037-bc748847b6d8e; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:05:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKu8O-0004iF-SX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:04:56 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKu8O-0004i4-B2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:04:56 +0100 Received: from czd.org.uk ([217.158.195.178] helo=cygnus.czd.org.uk) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKu8J-00023B-Ll for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:04:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:01:59 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Message-ID: <929404BD8B3FA443A58163D1A9FC4FB75925@cygnus.czd.org.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 In-Reply-To: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 500 khz TX Thread-Index: AcjrGj2fYnBPR8LST7KRr0m3DboeBQAD0W0g References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "Martyn Kinder" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: 500 khz TX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8EB29.94473BD8" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EB29.94473BD8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like an appliance recycler =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D Martyn Kinder G0CZD http://www.czd.org.uk =20 Before a mad scientist goes completely mad, there will be a time when he's only partially mad. Make sure you get invited to his parties then. ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:10 AM To: rsgb Subject: LF: 500 khz TX My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled components from the junk box. =20 1940 xtal in osc =20 IC osc chip/IC divider chip/IC driver chip/FET PA class E, then on the drain side =20 1940's ceramic inductor (tinned copper wire) out of a TU5B tuning unit, 1950's tube TV line output core, rewound for impedence matching FET/50 ohms. =20 LPF using unmarked cores similar to FT200 type. =20 FET out of an old marine tx 1960's vintage.=20 =20 CCT board for chips reworked from an old pre used board. =20 Ferrite chokes in V + line from old smpu, decoupling capacitors and misc items, small heatsink and fan from junk box. =20 Psu for chips 12 regulated, ex surplus =20 Psu for FET rebuilt using ex surplus high capacity capacitors, not regulated =20 The finished package looks neat and tidy and is totally reliable, and no SMOKE =20 The secret to avoid smoke in class E is to get the FET drain matching network spot on to avoid voltage/current spikes during switching. If designed properly you will be in the ball park and just need minor adjustments ie adjusting coil tappings while making observations on a 'scope. =20 I used components that I had lying around in junk boxes and the cost was NIL. =20 This is the TX that I used on 500 khz to work VE1ZZ and RW3ADB on normal CW. =20 73 De Mal/G3KEV =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EB29.94473BD8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds like an appliance=20 recycler
 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Martyn Kinder G0CZD

http://www.czd.org.uk

Before a mad=20 scientist goes completely mad, there will be a time when he's only partially= =20 mad.  Make sure you get invited to his parties=20 then.


From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:10 AM
To:=20 rsgb
Subject: LF: 500 khz TX

My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled compo= nents=20 from the junk box.
 
1940 xtal in osc
 
IC osc chip/IC divider chip/IC driver chip/= FET PA=20 class E, then on the drain side
 
1940's ceramic inductor (tinned copper=20 wire) out of a TU5B tuning unit, 1950's tube TV line output c= ore,=20 rewound for impedence matching FET/50 ohms.
 
LPF using unmarked cores similar to=20 FT200 type.
 
FET out of an old marine tx 1960's vintage.= =20
 
CCT board for chips reworked from an old pr= e used=20 board.
 
Ferrite chokes in V +  line from=20= old=20 smpu, decoupling capacitors and misc items, small heatsink and fan from junk= =20 box.
 
Psu for chips 12 regulated, ex surplus
 
Psu for FET rebuilt using ex surplus high c= apacity=20 capacitors, not regulated
 
The finished package looks neat and tidy an= d is=20 totally reliable, and no SMOKE
 
The secret to avoid smoke in class=20 E  is to get the FET drain matching network spot on to avoid=20 voltage/current spikes during switching. If designed properly you will=20= be=20 in the ball park and just need minor adjustments ie adjusting coil=20 tappings while making observations on a 'scope.
 
I used components that I had lying around i= n junk=20 boxes and the cost was NIL.
 
This is the TX that I used on 500 khz to wo= rk VE1ZZ=20 and RW3ADB on normal CW.
 
73 De Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EB29.94473BD8-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (rly-ma04.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.48]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA093-8a04880aa603a6; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:36:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA042-8a04880aa603a6; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:36:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJr2U-0004CW-TT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:34:30 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJr2U-0004CN-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:34:30 +0100 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.249]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJr2Q-0000Fn-H4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:34:28 +0100 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so268141rvb.4 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:34:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=pfStCC0w54iZUef+BJLIJQtxkL3mz045nng8pQXMprE=; b=XLD4NeIwEuQJQqnxCMpQJFWnZyA9kLlD2vbsV9bcXqJaE5/zoy1UwJ5D20Gi4Qz2GC 3rRDFECNZ7CQb4WTeiC+xnTuaqluSWUg0ykls0RasJAFSqkAnMmkGjTH9uyVpoikdrUk Ach6QDk0wvkNk7bLGMYr6XHPDJV5ekKG08F6U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=J4dugankYIgbfwtNifBkgCMSgFX7VaIV8yB3XUrWriPahZ9kbCpcONXcd7pB4WkBko YjIRQBcTZusDRsVYCHvGs3gXf+SzV5FTST8e3woLg9RD41iRxS5dEbJXZscrR4uGx7vm BUzp5j6dzWIXexxOxAEgCDTP8R02EW0HIRYiw= Received: by 10.141.206.13 with SMTP id i13mr96230rvq.211.1216391663051; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.140.7 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:34:23 +0100 From: "Derry Hamilton" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <003001c8e8e1$75c37ad0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <003001c8e8e1$75c37ad0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) 2008/7/18 mal hamilton : > The majority of far east countries do not use the metric system, nor does > the middle east for weights and measures > G3KEV While there may be widespread usage of non-metric units, with the exception of Mayanmar, the entire far and middle east has officially adopted SI. GM4FH From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINMD033-92648917d5023e; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:52:51 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD096-92648917d5023e; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:52:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOTtP-0005tw-JO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:52:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOTtO-0005tn-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:52:14 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.70]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOTtI-0008Q0-MT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:52:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 95695 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 08:52:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Qe1D+/+yZmoYEY75tv7KOkyDKNP3dddQQJ+M4F0jJc+/g1NnUCMFR89mBjdoJHB+axklM6nIgUEW/1F5p4vEtrZDaIYMh2aSbxjiyUeKBwe+B32hXnyUvTFCzH0FSrj9bQi2QDGneI5oDZlt70bgtwb7qArJAm8lMpSQ0zvYw3s= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@btinternet.com@86.130.77.141 with login) by smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 08:52:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OhmWOewVM1nzwkKDQI_QNEPdZ1Ecy7PGETkEZWPYrKiLzokoRNcou2arxeAlZfEH2k1f2w75GPcdJzGsbNrUSQnxSOM2aoLlpdVQ_vj3D858FyZH.uy26cpKiWjFkNA- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <011925433193420FAA184FA6E7F8CDA9@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <004a01c8f19b$3d370520$a402a8c0@Inspiron> In-Reply-To: <004a01c8f19b$3d370520$a402a8c0@Inspiron> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:52:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 500KHz NoV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C8F2F3.13A033E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C8F2F3.13A033E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lee I have just got my NOV to operate on 500kHz, so will be dipping my toe into=20= the water from next week. I have not got any 138kHz experience and only obtained my full amateur licen= ce last May. On my application for the NOV, I provided a scale diagram of my own and imme= diate neighbour's properties, gave a brief description of the TX(home brew),= RX(Lowe HF-225) and antenna(T) that I intend to use and an estimate of my e= rp from the TANTENNA program on the internet (200mW). As I am using a VFO,=20= I use a counter to measure the frequency and also monitor transmissions usin= g the RX which has a digital readout. I also stated that I would cease tra= nsmissions until any complaint was satisfactorily resolverd, and mentioned t= wo nearby amateurs also working on 500kHz whose help and advice I could seek= . All the above seemed to work, so good luck on your application. The more th= e merrier. 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lee Hudson=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: LF: 500KHz NoV Hi All, After reading through loads of stuff and monitoring the LF Group I'm left=20= with the decision of whether to start on 136 or 500KHz. 500KHz seems much easier to deal with from the outset, and hopefully the N= oV period will be extended further next year. However the NoV itself is the possible stumbling block in that it appears=20= that experience on 136KHz is a big plus that Ofcom appear to be looking for, My question is, would I get away with applying for a NoV without first bei= ng active on 136KHz, or has anyone already taken this route and been success= ful? 73, Lee M0LMH. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C8F2F3.13A033E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lee
 
I have just got my NOV to operate on 500kHz= , so=20 will be dipping my toe into the water from next week.
 
I have not got any 138kHz experience and on= ly=20 obtained my full amateur licence last May.
On my application for the NOV, I provided a= =20 scale diagram of my own and immediate neighbour's properties, gave a br= ief=20 description of the TX(home brew), RX(Lowe HF-225) and antenna(T) that I= =20 intend to use and an estimate of my erp from the TANTENNA program on the=20 internet (200mW).  As I am using a VFO, I use a counter to measure the=20 frequency and also monitor transmissions using the RX which has a digital=20 readout.   I also stated that I would cease transmissions until an= y=20 complaint was satisfactorily resolverd, and mentioned two nearby amateurs al= so=20 working on 500kHz whose help and advice I could seek.
 
All the above seemed to work, so good luck=20= on your=20 application.  The more the merrier.
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
----- Original Message -----
Lee Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:50=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500KHz NoV

Hi All,

 

After reading through loads of=20 stuff and monitoring the LF Group I=92m left with the decision of whether=20= to=20 start on 136 or 500KHz.

 

500KHz seems much easier to deal= =20 with from the outset, and hopefully the NoV period will be extended furthe= r=20 next year.

However the NoV itself is the=20 possible stumbling block in that it appears that experience on 136KHz is a= big=20 plus that Ofcom appear to be looking for,

 

My question is, would I get away= =20 with applying for a NoV without first being active on 136KHz, or has anyon= e=20 already taken this route and been successful?

 

73,

Lee M0LMH.

 

------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C8F2F3.13A033E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG103-a164880fbf311b; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:24:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG058-a164880fbf311b; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:24:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJwUl-0005oD-SN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:24:03 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJwUl-0005o4-9F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:24:03 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.25]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJwUi-0003Ah-IT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:24:03 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a82-95-116-115.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.95.116.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6IKNsWd069205 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:23:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nl9222@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4880FBD9.1090204@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:23:53 +0200 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> <002701c8e8db$44cac380$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <002701c8e8db$44cac380$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080718-1, 07/18/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > Douglas Bader RAF pilot was flying spitfires during the last war without > LEGS, also a wireless operator on a Lincoln bomber used his foot to send > morse, after his hands were injured with burning oil. > G3KEV Practice what you preach BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME023-997488325608e; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:45:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME013-997488325608e; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:45:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKXM0-0001pw-MB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:45:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKXM0-0001pn-4B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:45:28 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-4.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.234] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKXLx-0002wZ-I9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:45:28 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAODBgkhUDWSH/2dsb2JhbACEXKhi Received: from host-84-13-100-135.opaltelecom.net.100.13.84.in-addr.arpa (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([84.13.100.135]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 12:45:18 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c8ea5e$1712e9c0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:45:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM TYRE sizes throughout the world are marked and specified in INCHES. The next time you are close to the shuttle look at the tyres. > EXcuse me- > The only country that doesn't oficially use the Metric system is the > USA, along with two tiny ones whose names don't come to mind. And > look what not using it cost the Nasa space programme! > > I like the term "badvertising" seen in this months mag. Postings > like these come firmly into that category when seen by outsiders. > > Andy G4JNT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG044-a3b4881b03460; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:13:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG105-a3b4881b03460; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:13:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KK8V6-0007Wl-Fq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:13:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KK8V6-0007Wc-10 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:13:12 +0100 Received: from smtp2e.orange.fr ([80.12.242.113]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KK8V1-0003w9-Q2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:13:11 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2e21.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9DA907000096 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:13:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from JR (Mix-Dijon-106-3-2.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.130.2]) by mwinf2e21.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 410DC7000082 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:13:00 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080719091300266.410DC7000082@mwinf2e21.orange.fr Message-ID: <200807191112590619.0029B5EA@smtp.wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70807181211v7b97fec8u4cbbdd7a1ac0a609@mail.gmail.com> References: <001101c8e8c8$f0665280$0b01a8c0@weazle> <57a24ca70807181211v7b97fec8u4cbbdd7a1ac0a609@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:12:59 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: -1000: uceprotect.blacklist: if-match(0) => return-bad(1.0) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Tube amplifier website Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Note the circuit shows a 3 phase supply and no transformer. John F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 18/07/2008 at 15:11 Warren Ziegler wrote: >J.B, > > Go to: > >http://www.wireless.org.uk/gallery/gallerlf.htm > >Scroll down to the picture LX1PD's tube amplifier and click on the >picture, you will be able to get the schematic etc in zipped form. > > > >73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > >On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:25 AM, J. B. Weazle McCreath > wrote: >> Hello LFers, >> >> I've somehow lost the URL to a site which featured a multi-tube, >> untuned RF amplifier for the 136-137 kHz. band. Can anyone >> on this list point me in the right direction to it? Tnx in advance. >> >> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL >> Solar and wind powered >> Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 >> EN93dr >> >> http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >-- >73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDB053-aba488edc377a; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:00:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB038-aba488edc377a; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:00:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KNl3H-0001kC-Og for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:59:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KNl3G-0001k3-QT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:59:27 +0100 Received: from web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.123]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNl3F-0007pr-0D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:59:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 45986 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2008 08:59:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=OwWN96BZ0j/aJUyUtryKtec0y5JYGigRAS1xSJVhRGbU7+pPIYelvgmH+X/Emc8B1Ux4v7DfY6hon7gazuDBAsWqAdWAo62ZYOiRZK/fxcJ0JF8JjSSMylCZj0AOl/sHwkHdWqE1UwiqxNNXYvYeUVsuCu5BqReJ00Gdxiif39c=; Received: from [86.142.153.247] by web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:59:18 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:59:18 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000701c8f154$4d13a8a0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <593579.45856.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1743592412-1217321958=:45856" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n --0-1743592412-1217321958=:45856 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dennis =C2=A0 This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV application. =C2=A0 Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse. =C2=A0 You are a rare breed, =C2=A0a new 500kc/s op. =C2=A0 73 for now and GL petefmt. __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now=20= at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html --0-1743592412-1217321958=:45856 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dennis
 
This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV application.
 
Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse.
 
You are a rare breed,  a new 500kc/s op.
 
73 for now and GL petefmt.

=20 Not happy with your email address?
Get the one you=20 really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! --0-1743592412-1217321958=:45856-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA022-a784880c0cd1f0; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:12:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA068-a784880c0cd1f0; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:12:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJsYE-0004jH-EB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:11:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJsYD-0004j8-La for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:11:21 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.74]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJsYA-0006WO-4P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:11:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 72395 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2008 16:11:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=uwIIJa0c7rMCQyQL5peHHB5JIkzw7ijcogM5Ny8OcviUIlohte6JD7rmMI1W+ELo9tigvx0me/3fhJiOVJF0dP5XkIa4LM13RDOAsCU2b86yPc0mm3p/mApjBrnpyrz8NpzQrX1pJoWGjzNrgSHG3MiIguto2kDoZe/WsA+zQv0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@btinternet.com@86.134.100.71 with login) by smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 16:11:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JHkW9WAVM1mVVN9P9SgDWcdj0qPhs5icAX4GC9cBuIVJ3kysJEyeR50FO..Z9aTta9MaBKtX5E4D5mTxMGE.fHXhFWPwCDbCjEtxWcQrubNhZ90XykE5eBZaO20P X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <2ED95B571DC240FF89CB8D16A69AF751@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:11:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: RADCOM - CONSTRUCTIONAL ITEMS AND ALL THAT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01C8E8F9.413014F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C8E8F9.413014F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a very new member of the group, still awaiting my NOV to transmit on 500=20= kHz and struggling with my morse, I hesitate to take issue with the big boys= , but here goes. =20 Sneers against the new 'Radcom' editor and the comic, which I take to mean '= Practical Wireless' and its associated publications are unworthy. When I j= oined the RSGB three years ago, I was initially disappointed with 'Radcom' w= hich seem to have limited content and lacked style. Under the new editor,=20= the style has improved enormously and the contents are generally well balanc= ed. Of course, many of us we would like to see more constructional items a= nd news of exciting research, but as G3WKL pointed out, this depends on thos= e actively involved producing the necessary articles. =20 G3LDO hesitated to write up his experiences as old hat, but as a newcomer, I= would have welcomed his article, as I appear to be struggling along similar= lines. While we wait for a clever amateur to come up with a super 600m ban= d antenna three feet long, nailed to the end of the shack and capable of wor= ld wide DX, those of us with 10m square gardens or less must contiue with so= lutions similar to Peter's. As far as PW is concerned, it has kept going over the years and won many fri= ends, including myself. From the earliest days to the present time it has=20= been one of the few windows on the world of amateur radio, raising interest=20= in old and young, something we still surely need. Phew! I fell better to have got that off my chest. 73s Dennis M0JXM ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C8E8F9.413014F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As a very new member of the group, still aw= aiting=20 my NOV to transmit on 500 kHz and struggling with my morse, I hesitate to ta= ke=20 issue with the big boys, but here goes.   
 
Sneers against the new 'Radcom' editor and=20= the=20 comic, which I take to mean 'Practical Wireless' and its associated publicat= ions=20 are unworthy.   When I joined the RSGB three years ago, I was=20 initially disappointed with 'Radcom' which seem to have limited content and=20 lacked style.   Under the new editor, the style has improved=20 enormously and the contents are generally well balanced.   Of cour= se,=20 many of us we would like to see more constructional items and news=20 of exciting research, but as G3WKL pointed out, this depends on those=20 actively involved producing the necessary articles. 
&= nbsp;
G3LDO hesitated to write up his experiences= as old=20 hat, but as a newcomer, I would have welcomed his article, as I appear to be= =20 struggling along similar lines.  While we wait for a clever amateur to=20= come=20 up with a super 600m band antenna three feet long, nailed to the end of= the=20 shack and capable of world wide DX, those of us with 10m square gardens or l= ess=20 must contiue with solutions similar to Peter's.
 
As far as PW is concerned, it has kept goin= g over=20 the years and won many friends, including myself.   From the earli= est=20 days to the present time it has been one of the few windows on the= =20 world of amateur radio, raising interest in old and young, something we stil= l=20 surely need.
 
Phew! I fell better to have got that off my= =20 chest.
 
73s Dennis M0JXM
------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C8E8F9.413014F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINMD101-8ff488f41a3b4; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:13:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD047-8ff488f41a3b4; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:13:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KNrod-0002Y1-NZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:12:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KNrod-0002Xs-2w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:12:47 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.66]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNroY-0000rr-QM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:12:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 47882 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 16:12:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=qyFSYC4oeSeeXWLoHijzWMHtV2hwc3oEmSBqloYB1uSRa4PWfn+DKT/ORxYfYU4NjqxjOEW9zQU4QsZgj76h+vTtWYIOKEgde3I8GrfppwHU3tCg3b6O64Qm7JeYRWPMOhFTQEACf7NunXh4xWWFV/ZViU5eRFvl3PL3ZK4rEH8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@btinternet.com@86.148.125.109 with login) by smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 16:12:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eTUa4o4VM1mo1Fvv01JbxOpAr9BQccU.9WZwSta8RUeb2bOWl3EgFBI_8K0ij_V4b8kg9qKCRWxqXmc0NQPljX6huUSDqY3Yw.9Wtu7i8ZRAymihskHT2Qaq5W2DIvw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <593579.45856.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <593579.45856.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:12:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01C8F19E.3E7D3960" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C8F19E.3E7D3960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Peter Thanks for the congrats. Have tried the odd test transmissions and hope to be fit for purpose soon. Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Hi Dennis This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV application. Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse. You are a rare breed, a new 500kc/s op. 73 for now and GL petefmt.=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Not happy with your email address?=20 Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available no= w at Yahoo! ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C8F19E.3E7D3960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Peter
Thanks for the congrats.
Have tried the odd test transmissions and h= ope to=20 be fit for purpose soon.
 
Dennis M0JXM
 
----- Original Message -----
M0FMT <= /DIV>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:59=20 AM
Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done Den= nis=20 M0JXM

Hi Dennis
 
This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV application.
 
Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse.
 
You are a rare breed,  a new 500kc/s op.
 
73 for now and GL petefmt.

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------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C8F19E.3E7D3960-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDC093-b3e487f09da34d; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:59:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC092-b3e487f09da34d; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:59:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJPJq-0000Dz-F5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:58:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJPJp-0000Dq-UO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:58:34 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJPJk-00087Y-IG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:58:33 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A63451C824 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:58:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45068F3863 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:58:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD62F3862 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:58:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id DED6C5562; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:05:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 148.72-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (148.72-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.65.72.148]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:05:33 +0200 Message-ID: <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:05:33 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> In-Reply-To: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.65.72.148 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all, I don't know about RSGB and RadCom but I am closely involved in UBA =20 and it's magazine (CQ-QSO). There are probably as many opinions about the contents of a magazine =20 as there are readers. So a good editor should try to keep the balance =20 between all those interests. For CQ-QSO the "mix" is more or less 1/3 UBA affairs (informing =20 members), 1/3 non technical stuff (DX-pedition reports and other "easy =20 reading") and 1/3 technical stuff. Even within the technical stuff a =20 balance has to be found between various topics and levels. Not easy at =20 all ... But the main problem to maintain this "mix" is the input of articles. =20 The UBA affairs part is more or less produced automatically (as the =20 output from discussions, meetings etc.). Further we receive plenty of =20 "easy reading" stuff, so no problem to fill that part. But it is an =20 endless struggle to get good technical articles. And no input =3D no =20 output ;-) As said, I don' know about RSGB and RadCom, but I wouldn't be =20 surprised if the situation is similar. So maybe everyone who feels that there must be more technical articles =20 should think about writing one ? A simple "math exercise" we once did: - CQ-QSO is a bi-mothly magazine and has 44 pages =3D 264 pages/year - UBA has about 3000 members So if every member would write a 1 page tech article every 10 year we =20 could fill our magazine from the first to the last page with tech =20 artciles. Being more realistic: assuming that - 10% of our members (=3D 300) is technical involved - we want to fill 1/3 of the magazine (=3D 88 pages/year) with tech stuff - the average tech article is 3 pages (=3D 30 articles/year) Again it comes one 1 tech article (per technical involved meber) every =20 10 years Sounds so easy .. but is so hard. 73, Rik ON7YD Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINME031-99f489078fa15d; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:21:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME023-99f489078fa15d; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:21:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOCXc-0004ei-FL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:20:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOCXb-0004eZ-Ss for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:20:35 +0100 Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk ([212.23.3.141]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOCXW-0005DN-O0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:20:35 +0100 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOCXT-0001Z6-6X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:20:27 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:22:34 +0100 Message-ID: <011f01c8f24f$bcee9670$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acjxms5jloXtchH3RyepU+fqLE+bhwAAErJgACzod7A= In-Reply-To: <004a01c8f19b$3d370520$a402a8c0@Inspiron> X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [82.68.18.174] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.000,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz NoV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0120_01C8F258.1EB2FE70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01C8F258.1EB2FE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lee, =20 =20 As one of my roles as RSGB HF Manager I assist Ofcom in their approval process for SRP & NoV applications. Whilst it is certainly true that Ofcom like to see previous 136kHz experience, there are many examples where people have successfully gained their NoV for 500kHz who haven't previously been active on 136kHz. I would therefore encourage you to make a start at 500kHz, as it is easier in terms of the aerial aspects, and then perhaps have a go at 136kHz. =20 =20 I suggest that you have a look at http://www.rsgb.org/spectrumforum/mf/srp501.php if you haven't already done so. The key things that are needed are to do with frequency control and establishing that you are operating within the ERP limit. =20 73 John, G3WKL ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01C8F258.1EB2FE70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Lee, =20
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As one of my roles=20= as RSGB=20 HF Manager I assist Ofcom in their approval process for SRP & NoV=20 applications.   Whilst it is certainly true that Ofcom like t= o=20 see previous 136kHz experience, there are many examples where people have=20 successfully gained their NoV for 500kHz who haven't previously been ac= tive=20 on 136kHz.  I would therefore encourage you to make a start at 500= kHz,=20 as it is easier in terms of the aerial aspects, and then perhaps have a go a= t=20 136kHz.   
 
I suggest that you=20= have a=20 look at http://= www.rsgb.org/spectrumforum/mf/srp501.php if=20 you haven't already done so.  The key things that are needed are to do=20= with=20 frequency control and establishing that you are operating within the ERP=20 limit.
 = ;
73 John,=20 G3WKL
------=_NextPart_000_0120_01C8F258.1EB2FE70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDD051-b67488f6026208; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:24:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD031-b67488f6026208; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:23:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KNtqk-0002yP-J3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:23:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KNtqk-0002yG-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:23:06 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNtqf-0005Uz-UM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:23:05 +0100 X-Trace: 51000627/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.119.154 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.119.154 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArwEAFr9jkhYanea/2dsb2JhbACCc2g1h1qmAQNB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,273,1215385200"; d="scan'208,217";a="51000627" Received: from 88-106-119-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.119.154]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2008 19:22:46 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <000001c8c3bd$086bd8e0$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:22:51 +0100 Message-ID: <007201c8f1a8$1cc5e470$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acjxj9llBruJP/VNTqK6zKvjRsQA4AAF6vMw In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080729-0, 29/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: 500 khz G4WGT gabber problem. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01C8F1B0.7E8A4C70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C8F1B0.7E8A4C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham, LF, No, I only installed the SP3 once. I could still do if required then I would need time to sort out the problem it caused, mainly the loss of LAN ports & connections. Another problem was the loss of the Winrad program caused by Nero Burning ROM v7.0, now using a different CD/DVD burner & no problems. Apparently others have had conflict problems with Nero. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 29 July 2008 16:25 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz G4WGT gabber problem. Gary, Is that the second time for sp3 ? ive lost a lot of my early modes , jason etc and the original mfsk , which worked very well .... oddly , the drm package has starated working for no reason Tnx - G . From: Gary - G4WGT Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:56 AM To: LF -RSGB LF Group Subject: LF: 500 khz G4WGT gabber problem. LF, Yesterday carried out Windows Service pack 3 update. Then found I had problems connecting thro' my network port to the adsl modem, so unfortunate loss of internet & grabber uploads. I was unable to remake the network connection so I have carried out a Windows restore to a point earlier than the Windows update to remove SP3 & now grabber is OK again. Sorry for the overnight loss of the grabber. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1476 - Release Date: 5/31/2008 12:25 ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C8F1B0.7E8A4C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Graham, LF,

&nb= sp;

No, I only installed the SP3 once. I could still do if required then I would need time to sort out the problem it caused, mainly the loss of LAN ports & connections.

&nb= sp;

Another problem was the loss of the Winrad program caused by Nero Burning ROM v7.0,=20= now using a different CD/DVD burner & no problems. Apparently others have ha= d conflict problems with Nero.

&nb= sp;

Cheers,<= o:p>

&nb= sp;

Gary = 211; G4WGT.

&nb= sp;

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 29 July 2008 16:25
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz G4WG= T gabber problem.

 

Gary<= /span>,

 

Is that the second time for sp3 ? ive lost a lot of= my early modes , jason  etc and the original  mfsk , which worked very well .... oddly , the drm package has starated working for no  reason

 

Tnx - G .

 

 

Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:56 AM

Subject: LF: 500 khz G4WGT gabber problem.

 

LF,

 =

Yesterday carried out Windows S= ervice pack 3 update. Then found I had problems connecting thro’ my network port t= o the adsl modem, so unfortunate loss of internet & grabber uploads.<= /o:p>

 =

I was unable to remake the netw= ork connection so I have carried out a Windows restore to a point earlier than t= he Windows update to remove SP3 & now grabber is OK again.

 =

Sorry for the overnight loss of= the grabber.

 =

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.=

 


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------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C8F1B0.7E8A4C70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD061-b6c48839aaf281; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:06:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD036-b6c48839aaf281; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:06:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKfAE-0002w1-4P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:05:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKfAD-0002vs-DU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:05:49 +0100 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.158]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKfAB-0005pq-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:05:49 +0100 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so353648ywk.64 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:05:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=zAki2I844+GkFbX2DcR5O6yHuV+yK+gE9mgE4LQpQ4o=; b=p4qHTRP9GpBsULeemoSlI+F72InlYW1Exw03ip9FBj/Qm9oaFWHZRs3hNyRCohD4/k P4VqslXh2Qm47OlLvbPKr9kjYHaS5ATPSyxVLRYW1E43NWdHKx9p71vhBg7KbHEXN/Eo QdULg2CYJtMBXc2O1/ByMG4W3WxPTujjPtqXY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=D+ou6YrVxQWsMxrpQhRoAY5o9Y/3HEQHvxjIhhU5f6SPdmxe7rXlHewGAtykwTZS+s Y8KITBg69mFnd/FDKDGWmN4jv8z3oic+hXcukuXbsGm4lFCd9Bu0BtxT6mFBpkY0HB/Q jP8I+pScT8gvvdyoPZufhygr7gkSglHqEEkWg= Received: by 10.151.111.1 with SMTP id o1mr2861679ybm.194.1216584345108; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.50.21 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:05:45 +0000 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <002501c8eaa0$ee4f4ae0$0401a8c0@lindavideo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <001901c8ea7c$5c51fb20$0401a8c0@lindavideo> <002501c8eaa0$ee4f4ae0$0401a8c0@lindavideo> X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF RadCom Articles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Radcom redraw all diagrams anyway - and now with wiggly resistors. Theyt tend to leave the text alone unless there are glaring errors or bad English, so it looks as if you could be onto a winner. Gives Giles a shout. Andy 2008/7/20 Ken : > Hi Andy. > A simple L C L circuit as described in the Solid State Design for Radio > Amatuers Book, but I made the 'C' variable so I can tune it up in a similar > manner to that of PI tank circuit. I dont have any CAD for diagrams, all > the pcb artwork was done by hand, I had a bit of techniacl smoke with the > first PA a few dead power MOSFETS on the shack floor, but a chat with Chris > G3XIZ and it was sorted out. Technical writing is ok as I used to write > technical specifications and technical trial reports at BT. > > 73 > > Ken M0KHW > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:44 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF RadCom Articles > > >> Send it in - sounds just like the sort of simple 'weekend' article >> several technical editors have been asking for. >> >> btw. By LCL output stage, assume you mean a lowpass Tee network? >> >> Andy G4JNT >> www.scrbg.org/g4jnt >> >> design >>> >>> and build our own equipment, but do not submit it for possible >>> publication >>> because, state of the art technology it is not, the design is not >>> particularly elegant, and the Technical Editor and the more accomplished >>> contributors would fall over laughing when they saw it. But most of these >>> projects are practical and they work. I work on the KISS (Keep It Simple >>> Stupid) principle, don't use three components when one will work just as >>> well. My 500kHz TX does not have any fancy CW sidetone circuit on >>> transmit, >>> just a piezo buzzer wired across the keyed 12v line to the driver board, >>> the >>> most complicated bit is the LCL output stage, which delivers 23W into a >>> 50ohm dummy load and 900mA up the antenna, the TX/RX switching is like >>> the >>> old days, a simple toggle switch. >> >> >> -- >> > > > -- Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDC062-b1a487eec532af; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:53:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC046-b1a487eec532af; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:53:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJNM7-0008FD-I5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:52:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJNM6-0008F4-QD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:52:46 +0100 Received: from xsmtp15.mail2web.com ([168.144.250.183]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJNM2-0007lx-Rd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:52:46 +0100 Received: from [168.144.108.3] (helo=M2W003.mail2web.com) by xsmtp15.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJNLu-0006nA-TA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:52:35 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22008741765234876@M2W003.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 193.250.55.55 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "john.rabson@wanadoo.fr" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:52:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: LF: satellites X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Radio-REF has about 4 pages on satellites every issue. John=20 F5VLF/G3PAI Original Message: ----------------- From: Dave Sergeant dave@davesergeant.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:55:56 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: satellites [ ... ] It is indeed strange that there is little coverage of amateur=20 satellites in RadCom. I remember some years ago the society made a=20 donation to the Oscar 10 project which you would think showed some=20 committment. But it is probably more about getting a regular=20 contributor to produce a monthly page, which must be the responsibility=20 of Amsat UK. [ ... ] -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft=AE Windows=AE and Linux web and applicatio= n hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db05.mx.aol.com (rly-db05.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.80]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDB094-ac4488f36b31c5; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:27:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db05.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB052-ac4488f36b31c5; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:26:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KNr4Z-0002Mw-Mj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:25:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KNr4Z-0002Mn-84 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:25:11 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNr4S-0003rm-0E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:25:11 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D74E31C0008A for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:24:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.55.220]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 54F2B1C00090 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:24:47 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080729152447348.54F2B1C00090@mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <000001c8c3bd$086bd8e0$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:24:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz G4WGT gabber problem. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C8F197.9C58CC40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C8F197.9C58CC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, Is that the second time for sp3 ? ive lost a lot of my early modes , jason =20= etc and the original mfsk , which worked very well .... oddly , the drm pac= kage has starated working for no reason=20 Tnx - G .=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:56 AM To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20 Subject: LF: 500 khz G4WGT gabber problem. LF, =20 Yesterday carried out Windows Service pack 3 update. Then found I had proble= ms connecting thro' my network port to the adsl modem, so unfortunate loss o= f internet & grabber uploads. =20 I was unable to remake the network connection so I have carried out a Window= s restore to a point earlier than the Windows update to remove SP3 & now gra= bber is OK again. =20 Sorry for the overnight loss of the grabber. =20 73, =20 Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1476 - Release Date: 5/31/2008 1= 2:25 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C8F197.9C58CC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gary,
 
Is that the second time for sp3 ? ive lost=20= a lot of=20 my early modes , jason  etc and the original  mfsk , which worked=20= very=20 well .... oddly , the drm package has starated working for no  reason=20
 
Tnx - G .
 

Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:56 AM
Subject: LF: 500 khz G4WGT gabber problem.

LF,

 

Yesterday carried=20 out Windows Service pack 3 update. Then found I had problems connecting thro= =92 my=20 network port to the adsl modem, so unfortunate loss of internet & grabbe= r=20 uploads.

 

I was unable to=20 remake the network connection so I have carried out a Windows restore to a p= oint=20 earlier than the Windows update to remove SP3 & now grabber is OK=20 again.

 

Sorry for the=20 overnight loss of the grabber.

 

73,=

 

Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83QP.

 


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG.=20
Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1476 - Release Date: 5/31/20= 08=20 12:25
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C8F197.9C58CC40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB054-acc48847a802f2; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:01:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB062-acc48847a802f2; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:01:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKu4O-0004ZH-6a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:00:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKu4N-0004Z8-Qr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:00:47 +0100 Received: from mserv4.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.76.223]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKu4J-0003PO-Rc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:00:47 +0100 Received: from dexbr1.ds.leeds.ac.uk (dexbr1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.19]) by mserv4.leeds.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m6LC0XF8011588 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:00:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from HERMES4.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.5.129]) by dexbr1.ds.leeds.ac.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:00:22 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:00:23 +0100 Message-ID: <731EB49F88B309428FFDDD2423F810E42BBC25@HERMES4.ds.leeds.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Loop Conundrum Thread-Index: AcjrJbm0c2EermvHQhmfP0nNRZxZyQAA2wKA From: "Chris Trayner" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2008 12:00:23.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AD9AA60:01C8EB29] X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: RE: Loop Conundrum X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Andy, Thanks for the interesting problem. > The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. Would it? I'd expect there to be directions in which the fields from the two loops were opposite and equal, giving nulls but in different directions. Specifically, I think there will be two directions at 45 degrees to the planes of the loops where at any instant you get (to put it crudely) a north pole from one loop, at 1/sqrt(2) of its max strength, and a south pole from the other, also at 1/sqrt(2) of max strength. I don't know about efficiency, though - you might have started an interesting technical discussion! 73, Chris G4OKW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (rly-mf08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.178]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF034-973487a64d015e; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:26:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF081-973487a64d015e; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:25:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KI88W-0007R2-CX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:25:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KI88V-0007Qt-UJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:25:35 +0100 Received: from web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.177.225]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KI88V-0003SI-Kf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:25:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 61934 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2008 20:25:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=FuucthVdPiEkwrPdLTU13ElI0q7kKpfcldKEalZvpf/DOAJr8bPh9J9YbxNlhoyIubIXunab6vHiXa1FL+L9mpaL5UIMeLD8/3Nfxa9wzd2KMwB/XgfqvCCHXoCIF0nOmcAaeXQJtjBrlTuzzJWyPoVxhs45uMldeRxxod7/tN4=; Received: from [80.6.40.58] by web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:25:16 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:25:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Osborn To: LF Group MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-903538521-1215980716=:60496" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n --0-903538521-1215980716=:60496 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF / MF There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz today permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band. Stations worked:- 496 G3DXZ =20 497 G3UNT =20 498 G3ZWH =20 499 M0FMT =20 500 G3XPU =20 73 Chris G3XIZ __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now=20= at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html --0-903538521-1215980716=:60496 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF / MF

There was a reasonable amount of activity=20= on 500 kHz today
permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band.
=
Stations worked:-

496  G3DXZ 
497  G3UNT =
498  G3ZWH 
499  M0FMT 
500  G3XPU&nbs= p;

73
Chris G3XIZ

=20 Not happy with your email address?
Get the one you=20 really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! --0-903538521-1215980716=:60496-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA041-a7748810d94282; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:39:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA067-a7748810d94282; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:39:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJxfZ-0006bC-AC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:39:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJxfY-0006b3-JY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:39:16 +0100 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.158] helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJxfU-0008E0-Ud for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:39:16 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3008.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E7A881C00083 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:39:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.91.118]) by mwinf3008.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id D68191C00082 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:39:02 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080718213902878.D68191C00082@mwinf3008.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <90E3D53F14BD4F30AF5A6FE7C1192DE1@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:38:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Rad Com / critical mass etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C8E927.10FCD2E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C8E927.10FCD2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave If anything was to be made for 500 and possibly 137 , I would suggest a 'Li= nea transverter' would possibly be the most useful, solving the problems of= poor receiver performance and the ability to generate the linear drive re= quired by most of the data modes that interface simply with a soundcard , 10= watts would be a good starting point ? G .. =20 From: G0MRF@aol.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 8:09 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: jwgould@iee.org.uk ; g3wkl@btinternet.com=20 Subject: LF: Rad Com / critical mass etc Hello John, WKL, and group. I think it may have been me who picked up Mal's expression "fizzled out" an= d applied it to the technical content, in particular construction articles,=20= in Rad Com. Trying a little more seriously to look at the lack of activity on 500k and t= he content of Rad Com, I would say that the two are related. I can understand how the change in content in our magazine reflects similar=20= unfortunate changes in other publications. I suspect this is primarily drive= n by the desire to cut costs, after all changing to a news based format allo= ws the editor/s to simply cut and paste articles from one source into the bl= ank pages which will become a future Rad Com. As a good example of cut and=20= paste journalism, take a look at the 'announcement' of Tent Speakers from a=20= company called 'Blacks' on page 10 of the August edition. You don't have to= read very far into that article to immediately see that it has been lifted=20= from some piece of advertising junk mail that's arrived at the office. Heavi= ly and badly edited, it's reduced size leaves out more facts than it conveys= . What for example is an EVA shell? Or come to that NXT speakers? We'll neve= r know, because that information didn't make it into the space the editor ha= d to fill. - A really good example of poor editing and production. It's comp= lete tat. So, what's the link to 500k activity? Well, this group largely consists of=20= very capable individuals who can use a soldering iron and many of those can=20= actively design equipment of some sort for 500k. The thing we all lack is ti= me and frequently we like to save those long designing tasks for something t= hat's right at the top of our interest agenda. There would undoubtedly be mo= re 500k operators if tested and widely published designs were available. But= we need more than that. To really kick start 500k, someone needs to produce= either kits or finished modules and that is where RadCom can be vital. In=20= the past I have produced designs and kits for 136kHz. The 300W amplifier kit= was one, and the completed ready to go 136kHz preamp, designed by Dave G3YX= M, was another. I was really surprised that although the preamp was only a h= andful of components, people would choose to buy it assembled and tested rat= her than build it themselves. Somewhere out there are 150 preamps and 50 30= 0W transmitter kits which must have had some effect on 136k activity. Unfortunately, it costs quite a lot to make a kit available. You need minimu= m order quantities for PCBs to make it cost effective, and a kit that contai= ns a few inches of say, 28 SWG wire means you have to buy a reel......and so= on and so on. Having an article published in RadCom was key to making a kit viable. But n= ow, there are no significant articles being published. If, I submit an artic= le am I going to be told, we don't do that any more, or we like most magazin= es commission articles? Basically, last year I looked at 500k as a possible opportunity for designin= g a DDS driven transmitter. 100W out, little 2 line LCD, PIC microcontroller= running a DDS. - All fairly straightforward and if run from 12V, a project=20= that would attract people onto 500k. But the single reason why that didn't h= appen was because at the time when I had the idea, Rad Com hadn't published=20= a single significant construction article in the previous 12 months. It takes about 300 - =A3400 to get something like this started. With no mean= s of promoting it, those components just sit around selling one or two every= 6 months. The people who buy them arrive at an uninhabited 500k and mostly=20= give up. It needs a certain momentum to get it started. If 30 people arrive=20= on the band in a short space of time, others think, that sounds like fun, I'= ll join them and you have sustained interest. Of course you can just put a design on the web, but then you lose the abili= ty to get a 'critical mass' of people on the band. With RadCom going to a newspaper format with almost zero 'freelance' technic= al content, small kit suppliers and individuals are simply unwilling to take= the risk. Hope that helps David G0MRF In a message dated 17/07/2008 08:22:10 GMT Standard Time, jwgould@iee.org wr= ites: To me the important point that I tried to make in my posting, which has drawn no comment, is the one I made about getting people to write up their experimental work for publication, and specifically that concerning 500kHz= . To maintain progress on gaining a long-term allocation around 500kHz we wi= ll need to raise the profile nationally and internationally of work undertake= n on 500kHz. One way of doing this is to get a few good technical articles written, not just sharing knowledge but encouraging others and providing suitable designs to enable them to join in; good construction articles can do just that.=20 73 John, G3WKL No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.1/1560 - Release Date: 7/18/2008 06= :47 ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C8E927.10FCD2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Dave
 
If anything was to  be made for 500 and possibly 137 , I would sug= gest=20 a 'Linea transverter' would possibly be the most  useful, solving the=20 problems of poor receiver performance and the ability to  generate = ;the=20  linear drive required by most of the data modes that interface simply=20= with=20 a soundcard , 10 watts would be a good starting point ?
 
G ..  
 
 
 

Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 8:09 PM
Subject: LF: Rad Com / critical mass etc

Hello John, WKL, and group.
 
I think it may have been me who picked up  Mal's expression "fizzl= ed=20 out" and applied it to the technical content, in particular construction=20 articles, in Rad Com.
 
Trying a little more seriously to look at the lack of activity on 500k=20= and=20 the content of Rad Com, I would say that the two are related.
I can understand how the change in content in our magazine reflect= s=20 similar unfortunate changes in other publications. I suspect this is primari= ly=20 driven by the desire to cut costs, after all changing to a news based format= =20 allows the editor/s to simply cut and paste articles from one source into th= e=20 blank pages which will become a future Rad Com.  As a good example of c= ut=20 and paste journalism, take a look at the 'announcement' of Tent Speaker= s=20 from a company called 'Blacks' on page 10 of the August edition.  You d= on't=20 have to read very far into that article to immediately see that it has=20= been=20 lifted from some piece of advertising junk mail that's arrived at the office= .=20 Heavily and badly edited, it's reduced size leaves out more facts than it=20 conveys. What for example is an EVA shell? Or come to that NXT speakers? We'= ll=20 never know, because that information didn't make it into the space the edito= r=20 had to fill. - A really good example of poor editing and productio= n.=20 It's complete tat.
 
So, what's the link to 500k activity?  Well, this group largely=20 consists of very capable individuals who can use a soldering iron and many o= f=20 those can actively design equipment of some sort for 500k. The thing we all=20= lack=20 is time and frequently we like to save those long designing tasks for someth= ing=20 that's right at the top of our interest agenda. There would undoubtedly be m= ore=20 500k operators if tested and widely published designs were available. But we= =20 need more than that. To really kick start 500k, someone needs to produce eit= her=20 kits or finished modules and that is where RadCom can be vital.  In the= =20 past I have produced designs and kits for 136kHz. The 300W amplifier kit was= =20 one, and the completed ready to go 136kHz preamp, designed by Dave G3YXM, wa= s=20 another. I was really surprised that although the preamp was only a handful=20= of=20 components, people would choose to buy it assembled and tested rather than b= uild=20 it themselves. Somewhere out there are 150 preamps and 50  300W transmi= tter=20 kits which must have had some effect on 136k activity.
Unfortunately, it costs quite a lot to make a kit available. You need=20 minimum order quantities for PCBs to make it cost effective, and a kit that=20 contains a few inches of say, 28 SWG wire means you have to buy a reel......= and=20 so on and so on.
Having an article published in RadCom was key to making a kit viable.&n= bsp;=20 But now, there are no significant articles being published. If, I submit an=20 article am I going to be told, we don't do that any more, or we like most=20 magazines commission articles?
 
Basically, last year I looked at 500k as a possible opportunity for=20 designing a DDS driven transmitter. 100W out, little 2 line LCD, PIC=20 microcontroller running a DDS. - All fairly straightforward and if run from=20= 12V,=20 a project that would attract people onto 500k. But the single reason why tha= t=20 didn't happen was because at the time when I had the idea, Rad Com hadn't=20 published a single significant construction article in the previous 12=20 months.
 
It takes about 300 - =A3400 to get something like this started. With no= means=20 of promoting it, those components just sit around selling one or two every 6= =20 months. The people who buy them arrive at an uninhabited 500k and mostl= y=20 give up. It needs a certain momentum to get it started. If 30 people arrive=20= on=20 the band in a short space of time, others think, that sounds like fun, I'll=20= join=20 them and you have sustained interest.
 Of course you can just put a design on the web, but then you= =20 lose the ability to get a 'critical mass' of people on the band.
With RadCom going to a newspaper format with almost zero 'freelance'=20 technical content, small kit suppliers and individuals are simply unwilling=20= to=20 take the risk.
 
Hope that helps
 
David G0MRF
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 17/07/2008 08:22:10 GMT Standard Time, jwgould@iee.o= rg=20 writes:
To=20= me=20 the important point that I tried to make in my posting, which has
drawn= no=20 comment, is the one I made about getting people to write up=20 their
experimental work for publication, and specifically that concerni= ng=20 500kHz.


To maintain progress on gaining a long-term allocation=20 around 500kHz we will
need to raise the profile nationally and=20 internationally of work undertaken
on 500kHz.  One way of doing th= is=20 is to get a few good technical articles
written, not just sharing knowl= edge=20 but encouraging others and providing
suitable designs to enable them to= =20 join in; good construction articles can
do just that.

73 John,=20 G3WKL
 
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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20
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(Postfix, from userid 65534) id CAC575362; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:04:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 254.206-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (254.206-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.206.254]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:04:10 +0200 Message-ID: <20080718220410.djkunra8l9c0sk4g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:04:10 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.206.254 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500 kHz activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello group, maybe I am wrong, but the momentary lack of activity maybe a seazonal thing. At least it is for me. During the summer months: - nights are short, so ionosheric propagation starts late and stops early - QRN is (often) high - (ground)losses increase (in my case from 50 Ohm in february to 85 Ohm now) - there are lot's of other things (not ham related) that need attention So for the next 2 months 500kHz activity will be close to non-existent, but I will be back in autumn. And I hope not to be the only one ... 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF063-95a487c625c16d; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:40:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF048-95a487c625c16d; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:39:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KIg3h-0004Ta-M0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:38:53 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KIg3g-0004TR-UM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:38:52 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.62]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KIg3d-0003pn-1f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:38:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 49480 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2008 08:38:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=FAFmoYLbv6X+ygHyRf+5ErQ4AdoQTVNzhDB349yaFIbkQ5s0aqEjQYlYoJSCq+ZFQ1R0rvXZtjQQUpEUXJP9a09AaI1SNIkN9oP3n9A2cE2vTcJaBc7BVSZEpU9/yN7cNTENmkNObbR76Js4UqjCAJuSL8J1AMVi9OPSsNOBZoc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@btinternet.com@81.132.69.163 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2008 08:38:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MulJinAVM1mGQmI539ERVhyItR.inPvLlvQocPqsic.pEf3EVsmicXSRrPa6.sCuv9ZKZE7mMFPiCp89HBa954jYF392mMZHQYqhUp7cyTMgn62QLqLlHKwspYSWTIM- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:38:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C8E65E.8F5DE9B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C8E65E.8F5DE9B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations Chris. Hope to join the 500kHz enthusiasts soon. 73s Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Osborn=20 To: LF Group=20 Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO LF / MF There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz today permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band. Stations worked:- 496 G3DXZ =20 497 G3UNT =20 498 G3ZWH =20 499 M0FMT =20 500 G3XPU =20 73 Chris G3XIZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Not happy with your email address?=20 Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available no= w at Yahoo! ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C8E65E.8F5DE9B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congratulations Chris.   Hope to=20= join the=20 500kHz enthusiasts soon.
 
73s Dennis M0JXM
----- Original Message -----
Chris Osbor= n=20
To: LF Group
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:25 PM=
Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO

LF / MF

There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz=20 today
permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band.

Stati= ons=20 worked:-

496  G3DXZ 
497  G3UNT 
498&nb= sp;=20 G3ZWH 
499  M0FMT 
500  G3XPU =20

73
Chris G3XIZ

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------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C8E65E.8F5DE9B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME042-9c348808cc6228; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:30:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME067-9c348808cc6228; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:30:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJp5s-0003ME-I4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:29:52 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJp5s-0003M5-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:29:52 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJp5k-0007eQ-1L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:29:52 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2807B8632 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17C2F3863 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99079F3862 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D765655F4; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:37:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 254.206-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (254.206-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.206.254]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:37:02 +0200 Message-ID: <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:37:02 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.206.254 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) > Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the > traditional squiggle for a resistor. Using different names, symbols or abbreviations can lead to confusion and thus errors. 73, Rik ON7YD Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD103-b694888c3b72bb; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:02:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD033-b694888c3b72bb; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:02:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KM56U-0003yl-Ay for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:59:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KM56R-0003yc-CA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:59:47 +0100 Received: from mail2.imagen.ca ([208.181.178.12]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KM56M-0002sI-Rg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:59:47 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.imagen.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803D31EF98C8 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:59:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Score: -2.599 Received: from mail2.imagen.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail2.imagen.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id x5ZzZUY0Mvfo for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p1i5f0 (unknown [64.46.58.113]) by mail2.imagen.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CC7E1EF98BE for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000a01c8edb7$0174f7a0$713a2e40@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> <4880B1E7.3040008@ntlworld.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:59:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 600m Info Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Are there any web sites devoted to 600m circuits etc? I am aware of the U.S. group one as well as G3YMC's page and N4ICK's tx design, but perhaps there are others as well? Several of the 2200m experimental licencees have just been asked to submit formal proposals for 600m experimental permits here in Canada so things are starting to look positive but I have no idea of the timeline. Just in case, I thought I had better get the soldering iron warmed-up once again, not that it has ever really cooled-off. Also...does anyone know how well the M0MBU scope match circuit (that works so wonderfully-well on 2200m) performs on 600m without any modification? Steve / VE7SL Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF022-972488123091e8; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:11:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF078-972488123091e8; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:11:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJz5k-0006mc-9U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:10:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJz5j-0006mT-Eq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:10:23 +0100 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJz5g-0000OK-Lr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:10:23 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id l.bfa.1d593849 (32915) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:10:07 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:10:07 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Rad Com / critical mass etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1216422607" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + -------------------------------1216422607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/07/2008 19:56:24 GMT Standard Time, andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com writes: That's because no one sends anything in !!!!!!!!!!!!!! As I said in a previous posting a few months ago to one of the many groups (microwaves, probably) - its positive feedback. People see reduced technical content, assume RC are taking the stand deliberately, so don't bother writing it up. Self perpetuating and leading to instability, in this case probably a bistable stuck in the '0' state. Your comments, Dave, are exactly what I was speculating on. Did you ever phone the editor and discuss their requirements, and whether thay'd be interested? I bet not. Thanks Andy In 2000, there was a Technical + publications sub-committee. They had mountains of material with a year or so backlog of items that they were interested in. A much larger pile that was not suitable. I respect your opinions Andy as you are a regular and valued contributor, but Is your first line speculation or fact? Is it that bad? Actually the prolific chap currently in RadCom is Eamon EI9GQ. Items just scattered in his column are deserving of a seperate article in themselves. e.g. The 100 / 200W FET amplifier for 2m. Can it be that a total absence of articles is the result of 8 years of time passing. We're all a bit older, but we're still here. Also there are affiliated groups with specific interests and magazines. Sprat for QRP, scatterpoint for the microwave group. Surely things can be selected from these for wider publication. It doesn't ring true. There are many sources that can be trawlled for material...but that needs work, whereas cut and paste fills the pages. Oh well todays newspaper is tomorrows fish and chip wrapper. (sorry DX. quaint old English practice) Saves filling up shelf space. But, I'll give them a call and quote your first line to the editor. 73 David -------------------------------1216422607 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 18/07/2008 19:56:24 GMT Standard Time,=20 andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com writes:
That's=20 because no one sends anything in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I said in a previous= =20 posting a few months ago to one of the many
groups (microwaves,=20 probably)  - its positive feedback.  People see
reduced techn= ical=20 content, assume RC are taking the stand
deliberately, so don't bother=20 writing it up.  Self perpetuating and
leading to instability, in t= his=20 case probably a bistable stuck in the
'0' state.  Your comments, D= ave,=20 are exactly what I was speculating
on.    Did you ever phone=20= the=20 editor and discuss their requirements,
and whether thay'd be=20 interested?  I bet not.
Thanks Andy
 
In 2000, there was a Technical + publications sub-committee. They had=20 mountains of material with a year or so backlog of items that they were=20 interested in. A much larger pile that was not suitable.  I respect you= r=20 opinions Andy as you are a regular and valued contributor, but Is your=20 first line speculation or fact? Is it that bad?
Actually the prolific chap currently in RadCom is Eamon EI9GQ.&nbs= p;=20 Items just scattered in his column are deserving of a seperate article in=20 themselves. e.g. The 100 / 200W FET amplifier for 2m.
Can it be that a total absence of articles is the result of 8 years of=20= time=20 passing. We're all a bit older, but we're still here. Also there are affilia= ted=20 groups with specific interests and magazines. Sprat for QRP, scatterpoint fo= r=20 the microwave group. Surely things can be selected from these for wider=20 publication.  It doesn't ring true. There are many sources that can be=20 trawlled for material...but that needs work, whereas cut and paste fills the= =20 pages.
Oh well todays newspaper is tomorrows fish and chip wrapper. (sorry DX.= =20 quaint old English practice) Saves filling up shelf space.
 
But, I'll give them a call and quote your first line to the=20 editor.
 
73
 
David
 -------------------------------1216422607-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (rly-mf09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.179]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-97c486b2b9e17c; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:18:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF092-97c486b2b9e17c; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:17:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KDwZg-0001F0-8N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:16:20 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KDwZf-0001Er-Oy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:16:19 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpo-eml01.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.150]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KDwZc-0001wJ-1R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:16:19 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml113.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.113]) by cpsmtpo-eml01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:16:08 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml113.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:16:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c8dc13$7e72ef10$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:16:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2008 07:16:08.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FCB0500:01C8DC13] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8DC24.41DBB3F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8DC24.41DBB3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello joe, nothing on the screen today,the pc is running 24hours a day, henny pa3cpm best 73s. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8DC24.41DBB3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello joe,
nothing on the screen today,the pc=20= is=20 running 24hours a day,
henny pa3cpm
best=20 73s.
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8DC24.41DBB3F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG093-9f3486f169226; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 02:37:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG015-9f3486f169226; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 02:37:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KF1NU-0007va-UH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:36:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KF1NU-0007vR-AX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:36:12 +0100 Received: from hpsmtp-eml13.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.113]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KF1NP-00044b-LQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:36:12 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml111.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.111]) by hpsmtp-eml13.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 5 Jul 2008 08:36:02 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml111.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 5 Jul 2008 08:36:01 +0200 Message-ID: <008f01c8de69$65395e50$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 08:36:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2008 06:36:01.0955 (UTC) FILETIME=[6486D730:01C8DE69] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.105,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): captvo1na0507.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01C8DE7A.28A69000" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C8DE7A.28A69000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_008C_01C8DE7A.28A69000" ------=_NextPart_001_008C_01C8DE7A.28A69000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi joe, the same capture with speclab, best 73s henny cpm Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden= : captvo1na0507.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen he= t verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer=20= de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen wor= den afgehandeld. ------=_NextPart_001_008C_01C8DE7A.28A69000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi joe,
 
the same capture with=20 speclab,
best 73s
henny cpm
 
 
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen= =20 worden verzonden:
captvo1na0507.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige=20 e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of=20 ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKd5i-0002Sm-Rj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:53:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKd5i-0002Sd-DF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:53:02 +0100 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.153]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKd5g-0004v1-Fw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:53:02 +0100 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so343153ywk.64 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:52:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ao8dmW1H4OpZX5aAPgWLQlIayQp8ZfcEs9dHXdX56OI=; b=t7UT12ijoG3We/HHgl5PkmAE6wP4Bla+sOYKCIa/ihFQgL1+Nnky8m8QH4lTPgb4Jv 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<487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <001601c8ea81$06520b20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Which big bang ? A few superpowers may have tested the occasional EMP weapon with 'interesting' findings, but no one ever deployed one - they all realised the potential for damaging thier own infrastructure as well as the target's. And contrary to all the popular sci-fi films and myths of the era, a normal ground-burst or even air-burst of a few MT does not generate damaging EMP. It has to be a true exo-atmopheric explosion at a height to do practically no other damage, and of a mechanism yielding mainly high energy gamma / X-rays to generate the necessary Compton scattering. The stories put-about back then were incorrect and partly propaganda, but also genuine misunderstanding of the respective countries' techology capabilities, and their modus-operandi Andy G4JNT 2008/7/20 mal hamilton : > When the big BANG comes you will regret not having learned about > VALVES/TUBES and how to use them. > These have a good chance of survival when all the chips have FRIED and being > able to use a morse key a bonus. > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom > > >> Two pijnts... >> 1) Satellites >> Having just joined Amsat (because I felt I 'ought' to) I'm less than >> impressed with a) Oscar News which has had no technical content in the >> two issues so far received, and b) The Amsat -UK web site. In spite >> of supposed to being able to log in I can't after several requests. >> Seems there is nothing there anyway >> So all in all, don't look to much from the UK Am satellite scene. >> >> 2) Constructional articles >> Radcom is always looking out for things. My new column can continue >> based on years of my own-experimentation and building in quintillions >> of different subject areas from DC to pink light, digits and analogue, >> but I would like input from others. Anything that isn't yet another >> wire antenna or a new H-Mode mixer, and certainly no valves would be >> welcome; mid-range to upper end technology is preferred using >> modern(ish, in amateur terms) devices. Don't want to cover simple >> basics, that is best left to Eamon and Ian in their columns. >> >> Waiting... >> >> Andy G4JNT >> www.scrbg.org/g4jnt >> > > > -- Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINMF081-9444891c160249; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:43:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF022-9444891c160249; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:42:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOYPz-0006aU-Iq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:42:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOYPz-0006aL-6e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:42:11 +0100 Received: from hpsmtp-eml15.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.115]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOYPw-0000sY-4M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:42:11 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml112.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.112]) by hpsmtp-eml15.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:42:02 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml112.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:42:02 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c8f313$38a429b0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:42:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 13:42:02.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[36C1FC30:01C8F313] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.104,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C8F323.FC130910" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C8F323.FC130910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi joe, this time nothing seen, best 73s henny pa3cpm. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C8F323.FC130910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi joe,
this time nothing=20 seen,
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henny=20 pa3cpm.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C8F323.FC130910-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF071-95d4880b0eb36c; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:04:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF053-95d4880b0eb36c; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:04:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJrTX-0004Lp-CD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:02:27 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJrTW-0004Lg-Ff for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:02:27 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJrTQ-0000Tl-4J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:02:24 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8168C7B8F1A for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:02:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DFEF3863 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:02:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDFEF3862 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:02:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 21611536A; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:10:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 254.206-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (254.206-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.206.254]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:10:09 +0200 Message-ID: <20080718171009.xsx4546a2dfokog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:10:09 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.206.254 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) > The majority of countries do not use the metric system Hmmm ... that depends how you define "majority" I guess > not even in some parts of EU. As far as I know all European countries have adopted the metric (SI) system. But it is true that one or two countries allow the use non-metric units (in parallel with metric units) for a limited number of applications. 73, Rik ON7YD Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG071-a1a488457d8139; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:33:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG064-a1a488457d8139; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:33:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKrkx-0003zx-W2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:32:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKrkx-0003zo-C9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:32:35 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKrkt-00022O-U2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:32:35 +0100 X-Trace: 46885981/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.119.154 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.119.154 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0EAOf0g0hYanea/2dsb2JhbACCcmuICqFYAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,222,1215385200"; d="scan'208,217";a="46885981" Received: from 88-106-119-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.119.154]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2008 10:32:24 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <00e001c8eaaa$364a0660$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:32:24 +0100 Message-ID: <004e01c8eb14$af4de490$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acjqsl+o2PWWWBiOSPmabQNZzvs9ZQAYXALg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080720-0, 20/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: 500 KHzTX Test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C8EB1D.11124C90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C8EB1D.11124C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Graham, Thanks for your report. It is the lowest I can go since the upgrade of the PSU after the 1 watt ERP allocation. I have given Shetland some thought, probably do it later in the week. I am trying to improve my receive hear as Chris G3XIZ can always get me solid on his small (750mm square) loop inside a shed, even last night with low power & I always struggle with Chris. Just re-built the G3LNP loop for 500 KHz but no improvement over the vertical. I am collecting parts for a linear transverter for my next circuit project. I see JR has been the centre of a slinging (or should it slanging) match !!! Cheers Gary. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 20 July 2008 22:47 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 500 KHzTX Test Gary, Reaching Wallasey ok , showing about 30 db , over back ground noise level (un tuned) on R5000 , why not drop down to 501.250 , Shetland is running ? G .. From: Gary - G4WGT Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:50 PM To: LF -RSGB LF Group Subject: LF: 500 KHzTX Test Hi LF, Testing at the moment with 34 watts Tx - 100mW ERP - 503.600 KHz - 12wpm CW at 1 minute intervals. Reports welcome. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12:59 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C8EB1D.11124C90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Graham,

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Thanks for your report. It is the lowest I can go since the upgrade of the PSU afte= r the 1 watt ERP allocation.

&nb= sp;

I have g= iven Shetland some thought, probably do it later in the week.

&nb= sp;

I am trying to improve my receive hear as Chris G3XIZ can always get me solid on=20= his small (750mm square) loop inside a shed, even last night with low power &= ; I always struggle with Chris. Just re-built the G3LNP loop for 500 KHz but no=20= improvement over the vertical.

&nb= sp;

I am collecting parts for a linear transverter for my next circuit project.<= /o:p>

&nb= sp;

I see JR has been the centre of a slinging (or should it slanging) match !!!

&nb= sp;

Cheers

&nb= sp;

Gary.

&nb= sp;

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 20 July 2008 22:47
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
Subject: Re: LF: 500 KHzTX Te= st

 

Gary<= /span>,

 

Reaching Wallasey ok , showing about 30 =20= db , over back ground noise level (un tuned) on R5000

 

 , why not drop down to  501.250 , Shetla= nd is running ?

 

G ..

 

Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:50 PM

Subject: LF: 500 KHzTX Test

 

Hi LF,=

 =

Testing at the moment with 34 w= atts Tx - 100mW ERP – 503.600 KHz – 12wpm CW at 1 minute intervals.

 =

Reports welcome.

 =

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.=

 

No=
 virus found in this incoming message.
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Some bedtime reading :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime http://glasstone.blogspot.com/2006/03/emp-radiation-from-nuclear-space.html http://stinet.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=A009208&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Talbot" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:52 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom > Which big bang ? A few superpowers may have tested the occasional EMP > weapon with 'interesting' findings, but no one ever deployed one - > they all realised the potential for damaging thier own infrastructure > as well as the target's. And contrary to all the popular sci-fi films > and myths of the era, a normal ground-burst or even air-burst of a few > MT does not generate damaging EMP. It has to be a true exo-atmopheric > explosion at a height to do practically no other damage, and of a > mechanism yielding mainly high energy gamma / X-rays to generate the > necessary Compton scattering. > > The stories put-about back then were incorrect and partly propaganda, > but also genuine misunderstanding of the respective countries' > techology capabilities, and their modus-operandi > > Andy G4JNT > > 2008/7/20 mal hamilton : >> When the big BANG comes you will regret not having learned about >> VALVES/TUBES and how to use them. >> These have a good chance of survival when all the chips have FRIED and >> being >> able to use a morse key a bonus. >> G3KEV >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" >> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:24 AM >> Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom >> >> >>> Two pijnts... >>> 1) Satellites >>> Having just joined Amsat (because I felt I 'ought' to) I'm less than >>> impressed with a) Oscar News which has had no technical content in the >>> two issues so far received, and b) The Amsat -UK web site. In spite >>> of supposed to being able to log in I can't after several requests. >>> Seems there is nothing there anyway >>> So all in all, don't look to much from the UK Am satellite scene. >>> >>> 2) Constructional articles >>> Radcom is always looking out for things. My new column can continue >>> based on years of my own-experimentation and building in quintillions >>> of different subject areas from DC to pink light, digits and analogue, >>> but I would like input from others. Anything that isn't yet another >>> wire antenna or a new H-Mode mixer, and certainly no valves would be >>> welcome; mid-range to upper end technology is preferred using >>> modern(ish, in amateur terms) devices. Don't want to cover simple >>> basics, that is best left to Eamon and Ian in their columns. >>> >>> Waiting... >>> >>> Andy G4JNT >>> www.scrbg.org/g4jnt >>> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.2/1562 - Release Date: 7/19/2008 > 14:01 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA041-8ba4880f8cfa5; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:11:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA074-8ba4880f8cfa5; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:10:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJwHe-0005hK-5y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:10:30 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJwHd-0005hB-OV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:10:29 +0100 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.158] helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJwHa-00034B-2e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:10:29 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3019.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 207F67000086 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:10:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.91.118]) by mwinf3019.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 8DF7F7000085 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:10:12 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080718201012581.8DF7F7000085@mwinf3019.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6779860A09AF4F0B872BE5BC78D0B3CD@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:10:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Lets have more qso's on 500 using the KEY , its the only REAL way to communicate Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Lets have more qso's on 500 using the KEY , its the only REAL way to communicate I find the high level of noise and the low power levels , most suited to the modern narrow band data transmission modes and have many excellent qso's using the 'KEY'S' on my 'KEY BOARD' . How nice it is to be insulated from the ear bending crash of next doors fridge, the key clicks of the over driven transmitters and the rouge frequency modulated sidebands of the old thermionic museum pieces that occasionally wobble and wander round the middle of the band in a attempt to attract attention only to be squarely defeated by a well written block of machine code, Ah, the joys of being a appliance operator, 'APPLIANCE OF SCIENCE' as the advert used to say . Its progress Jim , but not as we know it , 'For tribal man space was the uncontrollable mystery. For technological man it is time that occupies the same role' Im sure Ive seen some posts about space of late ? g .. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh12.mx.aol.com (rly-mh12.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.148]) by air-mh02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH023-61f48771f022e6; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:51:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh12.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH122-61f48771f022e6; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:51:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KHEHY-0001wl-4i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:47:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KHEHX-0001wc-Qy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:47:11 +0100 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KHEHT-0008Dn-PT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:47:11 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080711085309.DGQK16629.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:53:09 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.5.254.204]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080711084659.LLWC18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:46:59 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:46:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <48772C09.31893.278687@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: test only Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD102-906487f018b258; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:23:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD056-906487f018b258; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:23:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJOlz-0008U1-LX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:23:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJOlz-0008Ts-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:23:35 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-1.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.231] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJOlw-00080R-4w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:23:35 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AttAACKefkhOlKwvPGdsb2JhbAATgis0gWmDZgyBTgqIGAEBAQEtkH+MOA Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.172.47]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 09:23:20 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c8e7e6$5fcc54a0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:23:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.194,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: SATELLITES Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C8E7EE.C11264E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C8E7EE.C11264E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apart from the scanty technical content and never any mention of amateur Sat= ellites the presentation is poor. Get rid of the shiny glossy pages that reflect the light back into the eyes,= also printing over coloured gloss is difficult to read. Just about everythi= ng is wrong with the presentation for the serious reader.=20 If we take away the adverts, catalogue pages and chit chat there is very lit= tle left of interest for the real radio amateur. I would far rather have the old matt paper used years ago by practical wirel= ess and other associated radio magazines and still used today by the paper b= ack novels, and probably costs a lot less to produce. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C8E7EE.C11264E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apart from the scanty technical conten= t and=20 never any mention of amateur Satellites the presentation is poor.
Get rid of the shiny glossy pages that= reflect=20 the light back into the eyes, also printing over coloured gloss is difficult= to=20 read. Just about everything is wrong with the presentation for the seri= ous=20 reader.
If we take away the adverts, catalogue page= s=20 and chit chat there is very little left of interest for the real radio=20 amateur.
I would far rather have the old matt paper=20= used=20 years ago by practical wireless and other associated radio magazines and sti= ll=20 used today by the paper back novels, and probably costs a lot less to=20 produce.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C8E7EE.C11264E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD044-906487f1585337; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:49:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD056-906487f1585337; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:48:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJQ61-0000Oz-LJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:48:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJQ61-0000Oq-9k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:48:21 +0100 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJQ5y-0005Nu-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:48:21 +0100 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080717095436.SSUB16629.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:54:36 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.5.254.204]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080717095146.DYBD29365.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:51:46 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:48:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> References: , <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM>, <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? As Managing Editor of RadCom in the 1990s (and having worked in the RadCom office as a freelance temp for several months recently) I can confirm the comments by Rik and Alan that the content is very much governed by what members send in. The Editor is always desperate for good (preferably simple) construction articles, but very few are submitted despite numerous requests. Efforts have been made to include regular construction columns, such as the excellent new one by Andy, G4JNT. A specialist interest column is included only when an individual is prepared to write it regularly. Thanks to Dave, G3YXM, LF is represented. Perhaps someone from the satellite fraternity could make a similar commitment. There was a good response when I asked for 500kHz construction projects for my book LF Today. There should be no shortage of potential contributors to RadCom on this subject. You even get paid for your troubles. Solution. Don't grumble here (waste of time). Instead write to the Editor with your views. Better still, offer to write a column or one- off construction article. Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de09.mx.aol.com (rly-de09.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.145]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE022-4fe4884e925dc; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:53:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE093-4fe4884e925dc; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:53:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KL1Pw-0006UZ-L4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:51:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KL1Pw-0006UQ-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:51:32 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KL1Ps-0007jt-Ih for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:51:31 +0100 X-Trace: 50107640/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.119.154 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.119.154 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0EAAuFhEhYanea/2dsb2JhbACCcmuICqQWAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,225,1215385200"; d="scan'208,217";a="50107640" Received: from 88-106-119-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.119.154]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2008 20:51:19 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:51:18 +0100 Message-ID: <003301c8eb6b$24f149c0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjraySK53ib+QumR2S3yPaVUyhf2Q== X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080721-0, 21/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.155,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: GM4SLV 500 KHz grabber. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C8EB73.86B5B1C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C8EB73.86B5B1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All at LF, In a recent e-mail communication John GM4SLV has notified me that his 500 KHz grabber is active again. John has allowed me to notify 500 KHz users so they may take advantage of the facility. There are two bandwidths as follows :- Grabber 1 (501.2 - 501.4): http://www.gm4slv.org.uk/grabber.htm Grabber 2 (501.0 - 505.5): http://www.gm4slv.org.uk/grabber2.htm Unfortunately there is a comb of frequencies interfering with Grabber 2 which will be sorted in due course. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C8EB73.86B5B1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All at LF,

 

In a recent e-mail communication John GM4SLV has notified me that his 500 KHz grabber is active again. John has allowed me to notify 500 KHz users so they may take advantag= e of the facility.

 

There are two bandwidths as follows :-

 

Grabber 1 (501.2 - 501.4):

 

h= ttp://www.gm4slv.org.uk/grabber.htm

 

Grabber 2 (501.0 - 505.5):

 

http://www.gm4slv.org.uk/= grabber2.htm

 

 

Unfortunately there is a comb of frequencies interfering with Grabber 2 which will be sorted in=20= due course.

 =

 =

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.=

 

------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C8EB73.86B5B1C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b374880b21d213; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:09:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC083-b374880b21d213; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:09:26 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJrZb-0004Rc-6N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:08:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJrZa-0004RT-QF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:08:42 +0100 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJrZS-0003GQ-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:08:42 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080718151324.TIV28496.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:13:24 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [86.13.40.136]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080718150834.UTQG18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:08:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4880B1E7.3040008@ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:08:23 +0100 From: David Towers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> In-Reply-To: <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal, if this is directed at me then I find it in bad taste. I would dearly love to be able to send and receive CW and be able to communicate in that mode with others. Unfortunately I suffered a large heart attack and stroke whilst asleep. This affected my sight, mobility, speech and destroyed any chance of retaining the CW I had so far learnt up to that point. After several years I managed to get back to work, support my family and retain the home we lived in, and now retired I enjoy the hobby in the only way that I can. Please Mal-get a life! Hi Steve I know Mal from old when he used the CF repeater in his travels. I was at that time the lighthouse keeper. He was not always mobile with the key strapped to his leg.hihi 73 dave Douglas Bader RAF pilot was flying spitfires during the last war without LEGS, also a wireless operator on a Lincoln bomber used his foot to send morse, after his hands were injured with burning oil. G3KEV G8SZX Glenfield Leicester IO92jp webpage www.g8szx.mediumwaveradio.org Steve McDonald wrote: > > > Dave - you'll have to excuse Mal as, once again, I think he's got the LF > reflector confused with the OF (Old Fart) reflector. > > VE7SL > > Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > This message has been processed by Firetrust Benign. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE052-4d74883587666; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:23:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE054-4d74883587666; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:23:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKak3-00025e-Je for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:22:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKak3-00025V-1u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:22:31 +0100 Received: from smtp108.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.85.218]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKak2-0001mo-GI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:22:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 63716 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2008 15:22:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=xC6QZboqi9GHA8Lo5QhppJW5dlAGNNwtqrA7FtuNIgZg7/kYGQX7kCgBSkcPzJ0zCT5RCK1sDii9doC/W80+HAo2N3m4sEZbUNZsC++QrGcPMAkiLrCaEAMG21SXidIr2mEKU49+wc4TKF/ziPdIOrpejbCdOR+H9jdnNZpkaeI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@btinternet.com@86.134.102.178 with login) by smtp108.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 15:22:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: d87HBDEVM1kEUeJLhidWdtokLarjUGEnLYEwy3VRAy_AZHiXssglBoBUIiPOaFn1N.JQxpUyfu7dpyMhECs7qgMMGku7mPBHLv75qWJ8jqtCvItDP2TwjU0w2Ky7VAIzagc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001901c8ea7c$5c51fb20$0401a8c0@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: , <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM>, <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:21:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: LF RadCom Articles Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hello All LFers I just thought that I would add my two pennyworth to the debate regarding RadCom 500kHz constructional articles. There must be many of us who design and build our own equipment, but do not submit it for possible publication because, state of the art technology it is not, the design is not particularly elegant, and the Technical Editor and the more accomplished contributors would fall over laughing when they saw it. But most of these projects are practical and they work. I work on the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) principle, don't use three components when one will work just as well. My 500kHz TX does not have any fancy CW sidetone circuit on transmit, just a piezo buzzer wired across the keyed 12v line to the driver board, the most complicated bit is the LCL output stage, which delivers 23W into a 50ohm dummy load and 900mA up the antenna, the TX/RX switching is like the old days, a simple toggle switch. On the subject of circuit symbols, for the Admiralty, resistors had to have a set number of points on the zig zag, wires crossed using bridges, and capacitors were called Jars. I am now preparing to travel to China to view the Total Solar Eclipse on the 1st of August, when I return I expect to find messages calling for me to be burnt at the stake for such heresy. 73 Ken Wright M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom > As Managing Editor of RadCom in the 1990s (and having worked in the > RadCom office as a freelance temp for several months recently) I can > confirm the comments by Rik and Alan that the content is very much > governed by what members send in. The Editor is always desperate for > good (preferably simple) construction articles, but very few are > submitted despite numerous requests. Efforts have been made to > include regular construction columns, such as the excellent new one > by Andy, G4JNT. > > A specialist interest column is included only when an individual is > prepared to write it regularly. Thanks to Dave, G3YXM, LF is > represented. Perhaps someone from the satellite fraternity could make > a similar commitment. > > There was a good response when I asked for 500kHz construction > projects for my book LF Today. There should be no shortage of > potential contributors to RadCom on this subject. You even get paid > for your troubles. > > Solution. Don't grumble here (waste of time). Instead write to the > Editor with your views. Better still, offer to write a column or one- > off construction article. > > Mike, G3XDV > =========== > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF081-56a487b8f883e5; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:40:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF081-56a487b8f883e5; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:40:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KIS1N-0002aL-HO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:39:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KIS1N-0002aC-2c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:39:33 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KIS1I-0003Pi-QR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:39:33 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3428.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 18E421C00088 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:39:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.35.57]) by mwinf3428.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id C8E951C0008B for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:39:13 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080714173913822.C8E951C0008B@mwinf3428.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <006b01c8e5ac$a3f86600$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:39:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C8E5E0.E7EA8300" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C8E5E0.E7EA8300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, 500 qso's ? didn't think there was that much rtty on the band ..hihi..=20 Graham ..=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:24 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Chris, =20 Well done, heard you up here also but not really strong. =20 Gary - G4WGT. =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of Chris Osborn Sent: 13 July 2008 21:25 To: LF Group Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO =20 LF / MF There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz today permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band. Stations worked:- 496 G3DXZ =20 497 G3UNT =20 498 G3ZWH =20 499 M0FMT =20 500 G3XPU =20 73 Chris G3XIZ =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- Not happy with your email address?=20 Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now=20= at Yahoo! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: 7/13/2008 1= 7:58 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C8E5E0.E7EA8300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris,
 
500 qso's ? didn't think  there was th= at much=20 rtty on the band ..hihi..
 
 
Graham ..
 
 
 
 

Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:24 PM
Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO

C= hris,

<= o:p> 

W= ell=20 done, heard you up here also but not really=20 strong.

<= o:p> 

G= ary=20 =96 G4WGT.

<= o:p> 

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Chris Osborn
Sent: 13 July 2008 21:25
To: LF Group
 

LF / MF

There was a reasonable amount of activit= y=20 on 500 kHz today
permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that=20 band.

Stations worked:-

496  G3DXZ 
497 =20 G3UNT 
498  G3ZWH 
499  M0FMT 
500 = ;=20 G3XPU 

73
Chris G3XIZ

 

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No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: 7/13/2008 1= 7:58 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C8E5E0.E7EA8300-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA081-a594877a60f246; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:27:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA031-a594877a60f246; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:27:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KHNKy-0002sY-34 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:27:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KHNKx-0002sP-LV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:27:19 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-2.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.232] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KHNKt-0004cW-Uf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:27:19 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq1BANRCd0hOlM8gPGdsb2JhbAATgi4ygWeDboFKCogCAQEBAS2SHYsF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.207.32]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 19:27:08 +0100 Message-ID: <007701c8e383$bbae91a0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <004c01c8e36c$99bef1a0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <001501c8e382$202fb430$0401a8c0@lindavideo> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:27:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01C8E38C.1D0088C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C8E38C.1D0088C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not audible at my QTH with your qrp rig.Hpe to hr u when you QRO Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ken=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: LF: Re: test I had a very nice QSO with M0FMT this morning, still using 100mW, I am in=20= the process of constructing a 1W erp PA. Regards. Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: LF: test It looks like LF/MF has died in the UK and the rest of EU. There has never been more than 5 dedicatred CW operators interested in h= aving a QSO that has now almost fizzled out. 500 khz has never really been a starter. The only current activity seems to be Beacon mode on 505 khz but that ad= ds little to the band because there are already hundreds of beacons active t= o choose from if one is interested in world wide propagation tests.=20 de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C8E38C.1D0088C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not audible at my QTH with your qrp ri= g.Hpe to=20 hr u when you QRO
Mal/G3KEV
----- Original Message -----
Ken
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:15 PM=
Subject: LF: Re: test

I had a very nice QSO with M0FMT this mor= ning,=20 still using 100mW, I am in the process of constructing a 1W erp=20 PA.
 
Regards.
 
Ken  M0KHW
----- Original Message -----
To: rsgb=
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:41=20 PM
Subject: LF: test

It looks like LF/MF has died=20 in the UK and the rest of EU.
There has never been more than 5 dedica= tred CW=20 operators interested in having a QSO that has now almost fizzled=20 out.
500 khz has never really been a=20 starter.
The only current activity seems to be B= eacon=20 mode on 505 khz but that adds little to the band because there are alrea= dy=20 hundreds of beacons active to choose from if one is interested in world=20= wide=20 propagation tests.
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C8E38C.1D0088C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME013-9c74880ea90e; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:10:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME073-9c74880ea90e; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:10:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJvKa-0005Fl-66 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:09:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJvKZ-0005Fc-4D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:09:27 +0100 Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJvKX-0002cI-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:09:27 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id l.c27.3f55d7bb (42807); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:09:06 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:09:05 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: jwgould@iee.org.uk, g3wkl@btinternet.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Rad Com / critical mass etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1216408145" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + -------------------------------1216408145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hello John, WKL, and group. =20 I think it may have been me who picked up Mal's expression "fizzled out"=20 and applied it to the technical content, in particular construction article= s,=20 in Rad Com. =20 Trying a little more seriously to look at the lack of activity on 500k and =20 the content of Rad Com, I would say that the two are related. I can understand how the change in content in our magazine reflects similar= =20 unfortunate changes in other publications. I suspect this is primarily driv= en=20 by the desire to cut costs, after all changing to a news based format allow= s=20 the editor/s to simply cut and paste articles from one source into the blan= k=20 pages which will become a future Rad Com. As a good example of cut and=20 paste journalism, take a look at the 'announcement' of Tent Speakers from a= =20 company called 'Blacks' on page 10 of the August edition. You don't have t= o read=20 very far into that article to immediately see that it has been lifted from=20 some piece of advertising junk mail that's arrived at the office. Heavily a= nd=20 badly edited, it's reduced size leaves out more facts than it conveys. What= =20 for example is an EVA shell? Or come to that NXT speakers? We'll never know= ,=20 because that information didn't make it into the space the editor had to fi= ll.=20 - A really good example of poor editing and production. It's complete tat. =20 So, what's the link to 500k activity? Well, this group largely consists of= =20 very capable individuals who can use a soldering iron and many of those can= =20 actively design equipment of some sort for 500k. The thing we all lack is t= ime=20 and frequently we like to save those long designing tasks for something =20 that's right at the top of our interest agenda. There would undoubtedly be m= ore =20 500k operators if tested and widely published designs were available. But we= =20 need more than that. To really kick start 500k, someone needs to produce eit= her=20 kits or finished modules and that is where RadCom can be vital. In the =20 past I have produced designs and kits for 136kHz. The 300W amplifier kit was= =20 one, and the completed ready to go 136kHz preamp, designed by Dave G3YXM, wa= s =20 another. I was really surprised that although the preamp was only a handful=20= of =20 components, people would choose to buy it assembled and tested rather than=20 build it themselves. Somewhere out there are 150 preamps and 50 300W=20 transmitter kits which must have had some effect on 136k activity. Unfortunately, it costs quite a lot to make a kit available. You need =20 minimum order quantities for PCBs to make it cost effective, and a kit that=20= =20 contains a few inches of say, 28 SWG wire means you have to buy a reel......= and so=20 on and so on. Having an article published in RadCom was key to making a kit viable. But=20 now, there are no significant articles being published. If, I submit an =20 article am I going to be told, we don't do that any more, or we like most m= agazines=20 commission articles? =20 Basically, last year I looked at 500k as a possible opportunity for =20 designing a DDS driven transmitter. 100W out, little 2 line LCD, PIC microc= ontroller=20 running a DDS. - All fairly straightforward and if run from 12V, a project=20 that would attract people onto 500k. But the single reason why that didn't=20 happen was because at the time when I had the idea, Rad Com hadn't publishe= d a=20 single significant construction article in the previous 12 months. =20 It takes about 300 - =A3400 to get something like this started. With no mean= s =20 of promoting it, those components just sit around selling one or two every 6= =20 months. The people who buy them arrive at an uninhabited 500k and mostly gi= ve=20 up. It needs a certain momentum to get it started. If 30 people arrive on =20 the band in a short space of time, others think, that sounds like fun, I'll=20= join=20 them and you have sustained interest. Of course you can just put a design on the web, but then you lose the=20 ability to get a 'critical mass' of people on the band. With RadCom going to a newspaper format with almost zero 'freelance' =20 technical content, small kit suppliers and individuals are simply unwilling=20= to take=20 the risk. =20 Hope that helps =20 David G0MRF =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 In a message dated 17/07/2008 08:22:10 GMT Standard Time, jwgould@iee.org =20 writes: To me the important point that I tried to make in my posting, which has drawn no comment, is the one I made about getting people to write up their experimental work for publication, and specifically that concerning 500kHz. To maintain progress on gaining a long-term allocation around 500kHz we wil= l need to raise the profile nationally and internationally of work undertaken on 500kHz. One way of doing this is to get a few good technical articles written, not just sharing knowledge but encouraging others and providing suitable designs to enable them to join in; good construction articles can do just that.=20 73 John, G3WKL =20 =20 -------------------------------1216408145 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello John, WKL, and group.
 
I think it may have been me who picked up  Mal's expression "fizzl= ed=20 out" and applied it to the technical content, in particular construction=20 articles, in Rad Com.
 
Trying a little more seriously to look at the lack of activity on 500k=20= and=20 the content of Rad Com, I would say that the two are related.
I can understand how the change in content in our magazine reflect= s=20 similar unfortunate changes in other publications. I suspect this is primari= ly=20 driven by the desire to cut costs, after all changing to a news based format= =20 allows the editor/s to simply cut and paste articles from one source into th= e=20 blank pages which will become a future Rad Com.  As a good example of c= ut=20 and paste journalism, take a look at the 'announcement' of Tent Speaker= s=20 from a company called 'Blacks' on page 10 of the August edition.  You d= on't=20 have to read very far into that article to immediately see that it has=20= been=20 lifted from some piece of advertising junk mail that's arrived at the office= .=20 Heavily and badly edited, it's reduced size leaves out more facts than it=20 conveys. What for example is an EVA shell? Or come to that NXT speakers? We'= ll=20 never know, because that information didn't make it into the space the edito= r=20 had to fill. - A really good example of poor editing and productio= n.=20 It's complete tat.
 
So, what's the link to 500k activity?  Well, this group largely=20 consists of very capable individuals who can use a soldering iron and many o= f=20 those can actively design equipment of some sort for 500k. The thing we all=20= lack=20 is time and frequently we like to save those long designing tasks for someth= ing=20 that's right at the top of our interest agenda. There would undoubtedly be m= ore=20 500k operators if tested and widely published designs were available. But we= =20 need more than that. To really kick start 500k, someone needs to produce eit= her=20 kits or finished modules and that is where RadCom can be vital.  In the= =20 past I have produced designs and kits for 136kHz. The 300W amplifier kit was= =20 one, and the completed ready to go 136kHz preamp, designed by Dave G3YXM, wa= s=20 another. I was really surprised that although the preamp was only a handful=20= of=20 components, people would choose to buy it assembled and tested rather than b= uild=20 it themselves. Somewhere out there are 150 preamps and 50  300W transmi= tter=20 kits which must have had some effect on 136k activity.
Unfortunately, it costs quite a lot to make a kit available. You need=20 minimum order quantities for PCBs to make it cost effective, and a kit that=20 contains a few inches of say, 28 SWG wire means you have to buy a reel......= and=20 so on and so on.
Having an article published in RadCom was key to making a kit viable.&n= bsp;=20 But now, there are no significant articles being published. If, I submit an=20 article am I going to be told, we don't do that any more, or we like most=20 magazines commission articles?
 
Basically, last year I looked at 500k as a possible opportunity for=20 designing a DDS driven transmitter. 100W out, little 2 line LCD, PIC=20 microcontroller running a DDS. - All fairly straightforward and if run from=20= 12V,=20 a project that would attract people onto 500k. But the single reason why tha= t=20 didn't happen was because at the time when I had the idea, Rad Com hadn't=20 published a single significant construction article in the previous 12=20 months.
 
It takes about 300 - =A3400 to get something like this started. With no= means=20 of promoting it, those components just sit around selling one or two every 6= =20 months. The people who buy them arrive at an uninhabited 500k and mostl= y=20 give up. It needs a certain momentum to get it started. If 30 people arrive=20= on=20 the band in a short space of time, others think, that sounds like fun, I'll=20= join=20 them and you have sustained interest.
 Of course you can just put a design on the web, but then you= =20 lose the ability to get a 'critical mass' of people on the band.
With RadCom going to a newspaper format with almost zero 'freelance'=20 technical content, small kit suppliers and individuals are simply unwilling=20= to=20 take the risk.
 
Hope that helps
 
David G0MRF
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 17/07/2008 08:22:10 GMT Standard Time, jwgould@iee.o= rg=20 writes:
To=20= me=20 the important point that I tried to make in my posting, which has
drawn= no=20 comment, is the one I made about getting people to write up=20 their
experimental work for publication, and specifically that concerni= ng=20 500kHz.


To maintain progress on gaining a long-term allocation=20 around 500kHz we will
need to raise the profile nationally and=20 internationally of work undertaken
on 500kHz.  One way of doing th= is=20 is to get a few good technical articles
written, not just sharing knowl= edge=20 but encouraging others and providing
suitable designs to enable them to= =20 join in; good construction articles can
do just that.

73 John,=20 G3WKL
 
 -------------------------------1216408145-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA014-a904884337e135; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:58:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA098-a904884337e135; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:58:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKpKl-0003mA-Pg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:57:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKpKl-0003m1-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:57:23 +0100 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com ([192.93.164.30] helo=CRAWSMAIL2.uk.thalesgroup.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKpKg-0004oi-Rw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:57:22 +0100 Received: from crawsmail2.uk.thalesgroup.com (mailsweeper2.int.rdel.co.uk) by CRAWSMAIL2.uk.thalesgroup.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.14) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:55:43 +0100 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com (lisc0022.int.rdel.co.uk) by crawsmail2.uk.thalesgroup.com (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:57:49 +0100 Received: from temps153538.tms-ltd.com ([193.150.182.142]) by mail.uk.thalesgroup.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m6L6oYOl021049 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:50:50 +0100 Received: by temps153538.tms-ltd.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:56:55 +0100 Message-ID: <8E8D23D235D70840B6582917DF27898006935B95@temps153538.tms-ltd.com> From: Reeves Paul To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:56:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.909,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RADCOM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8EAFE.F5F33A50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EAFE.F5F33A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mal, Since you use the term rather a lot and I think we would all be interested, just what is your definition of an 'appliance operator' ? regards, Paul G8GJA -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net] Sent: 19 July 2008 16:57 To: rsgb Subject: LF: RADCOM I suppose RADCOM suits the Appliance Operator but not the discerning Radio Amateur. This is the conclusion to which I am drawn after reading recent postings on the reflector. de G3KEV This email, including any attachment, is a confidential communication intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. It contains information which is private and may be proprietary or covered by legal professional privilege. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender upon receipt, and immediately delete it from your system. Anything contained in this email that is not connected with the businesses of this company is neither endorsed by nor is the liability of this company. Whilst we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this email has been swept for viruses, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses, and would advise that you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EAFE.F5F33A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal,
 
Since=20 you use the term rather a lot and I think we would all be interested, just w= hat=20 is your definition of an 'appliance operator' ?
 
regards,
Paul    G8GJA
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I suppose RADCOM suits the Appliance Oper= ator but=20 not the discerning Radio Amateur. This is the conclusion to which I am dra= wn=20 after reading recent postings on the reflector.
de G3KEV
 

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EAFE.F5F33A50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB024-aac4883798d64; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:44:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB022-aac4883798d64; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:44:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKcxB-0002MJ-2W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:44:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKcxA-0002MA-Ih for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:44:12 +0100 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.153]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKcx7-0004rN-Pp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:44:12 +0100 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so342509ywk.64 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:44:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=S12E54dVSBBK1309Cbkhw9LhJqlQ9Mp6MZvg3pGPYMQ=; b=iohRSJsINxRZV99vrIGbVSr9PoAAum8ClDyyAQMs8Y4E59c8e7XWwdCnLHDldLfme0 bg7CEJBb9f4i65txSBPCWrV7R3BgyW8W59SeyvOJN+oCKHxRvePaIb2PEQRXtDHrcZM7 KUCkajo1MlPvEkOaM39oTmjHPp16aJpAk/I50= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=WItnNtXDm1PquCROE/Ns5lBz0scV3cDU2EoFcvEvUgAbt8UjZ3c7Ll5ZTU2jIMCAPI YvEH6WlIhcm+exAnl1EnSuPgcRApWdU5RjNg+LWwDYOUAdFAmxKUY/g4r26b+3HBUMU0 P+tH2UjF1XaZJmywMWvGHK6HDUUgoSR2LM29Q= Received: by 10.151.102.16 with SMTP id e16mr2733327ybm.188.1216575842320; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.50.21 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:44:02 +0100 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001901c8ea7c$5c51fb20$0401a8c0@lindavideo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <001901c8ea7c$5c51fb20$0401a8c0@lindavideo> X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF RadCom Articles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Send it in - sounds just like the sort of simple 'weekend' article several technical editors have been asking for. btw. By LCL output stage, assume you mean a lowpass Tee network? Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt design > and build our own equipment, but do not submit it for possible publication > because, state of the art technology it is not, the design is not > particularly elegant, and the Technical Editor and the more accomplished > contributors would fall over laughing when they saw it. But most of these > projects are practical and they work. I work on the KISS (Keep It Simple > Stupid) principle, don't use three components when one will work just as > well. My 500kHz TX does not have any fancy CW sidetone circuit on transmit, > just a piezo buzzer wired across the keyed 12v line to the driver board, the > most complicated bit is the LCL output stage, which delivers 23W into a > 50ohm dummy load and 900mA up the antenna, the TX/RX switching is like the > old days, a simple toggle switch. -- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINMD084-90b488ed5d225d; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:33:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD063-90b488ed5d225d; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:33:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KNkUN-0001cD-GP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:23:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KNkUE-0001c4-R9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:23:15 +0100 Received: from hpsmtp-eml19.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.84]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNkU8-0000D4-Dp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:23:11 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml109.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.109]) by hpsmtp-eml19.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:22:55 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml109.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:22:55 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c8f154$4d13a8a0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:22:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 08:22:55.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D59D960:01C8F154] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): captvo1na2907.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C8F165.106B7D90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C8F165.106B7D90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01C8F165.106B7D90" ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C8F165.106B7D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi joe, just a litlle trace I think, henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden= : captvo1na2907.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen he= t verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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<000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Units Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andy Talbot wrote: > The only country that doesn't oficially use the Metric system is the > USA, along with two tiny ones whose names don't come to mind. I think Myanmar and Liberia. > And > look what not using it cost the Nasa space programme! > How were these costs incurred? I have a detailed document describing the first United States manned orbital space flight and that was done using ft, inches, Lbs, degrees F etc, but that was in 1962. I find it hard to believe the use the same units these days. Modern USA scientific literature seems to be metric. Regards Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME062-9a04884793f38d; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:56:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME024-9a04884793f38d; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:55:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKtyq-0004Sg-4E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:55:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKtyp-0004SX-KZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:55:03 +0100 Received: from mailout10.t-online.de ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKtym-0003LP-D3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:55:03 +0100 Received: from fwd34.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1KKtyh-0005eJ-00; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:54:55 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (ESccorZdoh-U1qQGR6hTIIgkauLA8sd5YJEJp59+t3WKqbNdnnwowBqhV-lWsiPQGY@[217.95.108.171]) by fwd34.t-online.de with esmtp id 1KKtyY-2JdIrg0; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:54:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References: In-Reply-To: To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.05.0004 Date: 21 Jul 2008 11:54 GMT Message-ID: <1KKtyY-2JdIrg0@fwd34.t-online.de> X-ID: ESccorZdoh-U1qQGR6hTIIgkauLA8sd5YJEJp59+t3WKqbNdnnwowBqhV-lWsiPQGY X-TOI-MSGID: 97d47e6a-53b8-4210-9056-5be340cfbd9c X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Dear Andy, I guess these two loops should be fed by two rf signals of 90 degrees phase difference to become really omnidirectional. The same is true in receiving. The two signals from the loops have to be combined by a 90 degrees phase shift network. HW? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Andy Talbot" schrieb: > Was pondering this while out walking the other day, and couldn't come > to a satisfactory conclusion either way... > > A small magnetic loop mounted vertically has a defined radiation > resistance that is a function of its diameter, a loss that is function > of its conductor and hence a loss or efficiency that is the ratio of > the two. It is resonated with a good quality vacuum capacitor, and > fed/matched by any suitable metrhod. Lets also leave aside all the > myth and folklore about small loops, and also ignore the environment > for now. It also as a radiation pattern with nulls. > > Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre > line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling > between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and > resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original > value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled > in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. > > BUT... > What is the resulting change in efficiency? > > Argument 1: > Two identical loops = two times the loss R, but also two times the > radiation resistance (since they don't couple) so net efficiency > remains the same. > > Argument 2 : > Chu-Harrington relates efficiency / Q / bandwidth / volume enclosed. > Therefore, as the enclosed volume has increased, the effciency ought > to rise. > > Both arguments developed little side trendrils & thoughts as I walked > and pondered, and both appear valid in their own way. So > the floor is open for discussion :- > > And where does the net radiation pattern fit into the equation? Does > it, at all ? > -- > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > > ps. Fascinating paper on EMP btw. - I was up way past midnight last > night reading it. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG063-a0b487cef3d1f2; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:41:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG045-a0b487cef3d1f2; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:41:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KIpQr-0005hY-Iq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:39:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KIpQr-0005hP-0f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:39:25 +0100 Received: from smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KIpQm-0005oT-R6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:39:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 51169 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2008 18:39:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=k1ariRZJl5Qb/ji3VVu2aD4BJcY8GgeNozrS3VKN8VsUhql1C+0/UD4tKkz0J9UgXF/b//RlwRAk63/PKtze4F0ZGIJUIpWT/t4bnuiU6c6K6YvGOwyzLEBvG45xLlf5jF7jv1miPl1SME+DaplBeEHpf1pSXLLRV2ZSLs2MINA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.105?) (we0h@75.168.144.207 with plain) by smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2008 18:39:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: P5ghK6QVM1lJ2m.MqW05L9pYPDPDbpcjPNL6mBZiLY4bwOuluQfkTGiKnw.RGMd4UIjvzldnmf.8BFTJrHpwYipUT_b0IwXmjN0REg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <487CEEC6.3020906@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:39:02 -0500 From: Mike WE0H User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Early retirement and move to Alaska...hi hi... Mike WE0H Laurence 9V1 LF KL1 X wrote: > What Id give for just one qso! > > WTG Chris... > > Laurence 9V 1 LF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME061-9a7487a60c7c5; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:08:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME033-9a7487a60c7c5; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:08:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KI7rZ-0007Jv-SI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:08:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KI7rX-0007Jm-8Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:08:03 +0100 Received: from mx48.mail.ru ([194.67.23.226]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KI7rU-0000gC-Bp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:08:03 +0100 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=20183 helo=EFREMOV) by mx48.mail.ru with asmtp id 1KI7rM-000IFa-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:07:52 +0400 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <001501c8e524$07721700$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey RN3AGC" To: References: <003601c8b071$78496c90$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <000e01c8e518$5e449d70$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:07:02 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: OK X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: RN3AGC QRP beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ~ I am sorry, failure... 73 Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDA061-a824891a4042fe; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:38:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA082-a824891a4042fe; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:37:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOWSn-0006LI-2p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:36:57 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOWSm-0006L9-Hs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:36:56 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.71]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOWSj-000322-LI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:36:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 72540 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 11:36:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=xiaea1DH9+/6ZneHlhmQeav3gbqnX7CrnaIoDHPdYPUH2pmI7BrrFvw+AvCKtT/wGj69DT4MU1OWAfWIfEUhRDtpE3mmb5pqFcjF1iQXcvggo1LBiIDInY5qZA2CM7eHXPOHPSateZu82ph1BjhlcdXdphfPy3UxTVV9OStHa8o= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@btinternet.com@86.148.125.114 with login) by smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 11:36:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: acay36EVM1neoCXA3wt7vPJ_FvDgu7K3ejID_YVCRLdakGgj5niB3P4jk2MXMAHOI1lfKe3Aly1s0vDp3bfR8ZFPfLSaAfzNmseSlyNhiQhz8.OPCOJvoQiJNg_sCn4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6272EA7EA6094727A8EE25AB912F18BE@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <88A15F009F7B44C68AA1DBAF58F1D2AF@DennisPC> <48918C50.22493.BDB0CA@dave.davesergeant.com> In-Reply-To: <48918C50.22493.BDB0CA@dave.davesergeant.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:31:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: NOVICE LF OPERATOR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi Dave. Many thanks for the e-mail. Yes, Chris has been a great help. I usually work him on top band, but have yet to work him on 500kHz when I can monitor him without an antenna. I visited your website before applying for the NOV and was greatly encouraged by it. 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Sergeant" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: LF: NOVICE LF OPERATOR > On 31 Jul 2008 at 9:38, DENNIS EASTERLING wrote: > >> Location is Biggleswade about 60km North of London, Locator IO92UC > > Ah I guess you will be able to work Chris G3XIZ!! > > If you have not done so yet, have a look at my MF pages - > http://www.davesergeant.com/mf to see what you can do in a garden about > your size. > > 73 Dave G3YMC > > http://www.davesergeant.com > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG054-9f7487c9a9b368; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:40:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG021-9f7487c9a9b368; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:39:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KIjoB-00052S-Li for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:39:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KIjoB-00052J-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:39:07 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KIjo7-0002ZA-DQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:39:07 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W40 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:38:56 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [202.156.8.9] From: "Laurence 9V1 LF KL1 X" To: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:38:56 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2008 12:38:56.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF473230:01C8E677] X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7c9d6389-17c0-477e-8d02-87c4d110824e_" Subject: RE: LF: Re: 500 kHz - 500th QSO X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ~ X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_7c9d6389-17c0-477e-8d02-87c4d110824e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What Id give for just one qso! =20 WTG Chris... =20 Laurence 9V 1 LFThere was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz todaype= rmitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band.Stations worked:-496 G3DX= Z 497 G3UNT 498 G3ZWH 499 M0FMT 500 G3XPU 73Chris G3XIZ Not happy with your email address? 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There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500= kHz today
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500  G3XPU 
73
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IM on your terms. =3D --_7c9d6389-17c0-477e-8d02-87c4d110824e_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh01.mx.aol.com (rly-mh01.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.137]) by air-mh04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH043-bb8487e648b240; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:13:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH018-bb8487e648b240; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:13:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJEJK-0007SQ-UH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:13:18 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJEJK-0007SH-2x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:13:18 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.65]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJEJG-0000Km-9F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:13:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 83350 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2008 21:13:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=yWTiKH60EQjX6ABUECLt5e+I7mCMt2R65+QE3LPnXMSIZScgW82ULoeoTXxPoWmSUGjyGOogNLav3evhDnurDuJRvebB36HphlztJFtwAl+PP6dwal/ftgyEWcI/LJw/yn/t6BbKvaKxsTcPu4/hm0IbnpIps3Rj81qWpAxFCxI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.3.21 with login) by smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2008 21:13:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3qKdUgsVM1mVEb5V58HSfLMGraVIiMJ1ExkqrfHLYbX5VBFWFxBky0WaRS15s9ak52FsVrtYlYlkQi7CCIIpI5YiLgtflliqDr8gNz2olPCNpozeQWhNXFJFnOzmDOqapSfQUSpB_zTuQF43ZCqWhXV8 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:13:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi Nigel, whilst I agree with your sentiments it has to seen that those of us (you me and John at least :-)) ) who do know which end of a soldering iron gets hot are now in a minority amongst Radio Amateurs. It is interesting and slighly galling to go back and read the congratulatory letters when the "new design" was introduced. The demand for more articles like those describing tropical DXpeditions......well these may have been "selected" but they were genuine. Radcom is not the only "Journal" to suffer the attack of the "designers" Electronics World has had the same tacky "make-over" .....graph plots reduced to be too small to be usefully read yet acres of white space to bow to the magic "design" ratio of "text to white space" The latter has not had above one "proper electronics" article in the last two years, most being barely disguised advertising or PR handouts. The pure objective of conveying knowledge is it seems not sufficient. Printing half the text on top of a saturated colour picture or "design" is another abomination for readers like me with slowly failing eyesight. A sad end to the Highly Acclaimed Wireless World, an ancestor of RadCom in the 1920s.....never mind the content half close you eyes and look at the "picture" !! You will note my web site is in "Times Roman", black on white and no video clip/sound gimmicks....boring maybe, but it loads quickly and read the content !! It is not intended to be mindless entertainment. Moan over, best wishes both Alan G3NYK www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: Re: LF: satellites > > In a message dated 16/07/2008 21:07:05 GMT Daylight Time, jwgould@iee.org > writes: > > I've not got an axe to grind re RadCom, but is the lack of major > construction projects in RadCom more to do with there being less people doing the larger > scale design/construction projects as well as being motivated to write it > up for RadCom? > > > ---------------------- > > The use of internet groups to encourage cooperative design, both hardware > and software, has led to a real time project structure that doesn't necessarily > lend itself to the monthly magazine publishing schedule. > > This of course does not only affect RadCom but, unfortunately, RadCom as a > serious technical publication started to lose credibility when a recent past > editor attempted to turn it into something more akin to Women's Weekly, with > his requesting accounts of radio amateur romances on one occasion, whilst > dwelling more on his own interviews with radio "personalities" than matters > radio, which it would seem he didn't really understand. > > Whilst I don't suppose many tears were shed at his departure it doesn't seem > to me the RSGB has done the reputation of RadCom any more favours by > employing Elaine Richards in a similar position. > Especially when one considers that not very long ago she was suggesting > through the pages of her radio comic that reports on any form of radio activity, > legal or otherwise, would be welcomed. > > If RadCom is taken to be the "shop window" for the RSGB in general, then > perhaps it's time to ask what it is they think they're offering us for our money. > > For RadCom to be seriously considered as a technical publication again it > will be necessary to leave editorial control with those who have real technical > ability and not just scrape the barrel for anyone with prior magazine > experience. > > regards > > Nigel > GM8PZR > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD061-9284881087d1e8; 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Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:17:09 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080718211709399.616221C00083@mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4881055B.5070501@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:17:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.840 Subject: Re: LF: Units Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Peter, It was a recent mars mission, half the guidance software was in metric and the other was in imperial , the problem was neither actually knew it a the time .. and its either on its way, as noted in the hitch hikers guide, to the cafe at the end of the universe or its the cause of mars surface crater N + 1 , where N is a big number ! Our submarines sail with two sets of spanners , metric for 'our' bits and imperial for those items that originate slightly more to the west ! G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Dodd" Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:04 PM To: Subject: LF: Units > Andy Talbot wrote: >> The only country that doesn't oficially use the Metric system is the >> USA, along with two tiny ones whose names don't come to mind. > I think Myanmar and Liberia. >> And >> look what not using it cost the Nasa space programme! >> > How were these costs incurred? I have a detailed document describing the > first United States manned orbital space flight and that was done using > ft, inches, Lbs, degrees F etc, but that was in 1962. I find it hard to > believe the use the same units these days. > Modern USA scientific literature seems to be metric. > > Regards > > Peter, G3LDO > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: > 270.5.2/1561 - Release Date: 7/18/2008 18:35 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF032-53d487a8af22a8; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:08:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF036-53d487a8af22a8; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:08:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KIAfx-00081a-DE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:08:17 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KIAfx-00081R-0H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:08:17 +0100 Received: from smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.42]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KIAfs-0001cP-T9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:08:16 +0100 Received: (qmail 82146 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2008 23:08:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=F9KeQujkrEfoX/U1v7wqcKqlnbVks2P6x9BcOOCJ/s2eP6uQkBfD6p1GJnnb/0RfOu0diGDxiYeMQtLEd2ClfoSJKEnv07Zz2WopDhhL1ofCnq10GDKXI7XgNGRb1KNBkgX0WbjIJOf6DJxFFiYu8mcwA91CQRkc0/wqjT7mJfo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.105?) (we0h@75.168.144.207 with plain) by smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2008 23:08:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VZbLzh8VM1mYQJNaYAFDm7GEAIgp9OH0r2Xk_Cd0qKDtvC7b2vpImE.FRWm7qsaxjUtjh9tCeDlO5R7t3VA08TwX_vCz_yO1o1lK7bqoKDp.gQCYOHVF9E296kbGnAViAdD5OxSFRmyFPTofFjMAHFPs X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <487A8AD4.8060705@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:08:04 -0500 From: Mike WE0H User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879 Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Get Mal to write up some how to articles about 600 meters and submit those to Radcom. Might get things going again? Mike WE0H WD2XSH/16 on 600 meters David wrote: Mal. Amsat is alive and well. - Not sure about the recent American, Eagle and Intelsat projects though. Sadly it's Rad Com that seems to have fizzled out. It must be months since they have had a real construction project. Perhaps its money saving, but it does seem as though all creativity is now limited to existing columnists. It appears to have evolved from technical journal to newspaper. 73 David From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD091-b6b488395a52e0; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:44:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD035-b6b488395a52e0; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:44:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKep6-0002pE-0b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:44:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKep5-0002p5-Bm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:43:59 +0100 Received: from smtp120.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.84.77]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKep4-0002ad-SM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:43:59 +0100 Received: (qmail 17244 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2008 19:43:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=BmXyd5UUaE/NwObM4kvETbk3M8jRYFzQ1KVIUUtBlxyZDt0f+N+veq7SihznLqCxvsVL+2NoR2qsXeTxIXbbVn41Mq7mZTb1lPFQTxcawwtij4IbjyRzC6zYQ8Mx3NUpVah9BRe8TWRseLHLaQATLY+em0WRE4sFX8EI0biNi9c= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@btinternet.com@86.134.102.178 with login) by smtp120.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 19:43:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JdXC8n4VM1l3hsxFIZLxBus549NBbTt4uAV0WiEziuPaif1MNDp9ScQPvgX2JpeLbTGH2iz2Ck0DknuRMf_Qx8klXZt.ZEU5zuJAbz_IWs3sSssDeW50laRkflajViZSabQuZueBzOBRVNvYxmNOYMM7 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <002501c8eaa0$ee4f4ae0$0401a8c0@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <001901c8ea7c$5c51fb20$0401a8c0@lindavideo> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:43:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF RadCom Articles Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi Andy. A simple L C L circuit as described in the Solid State Design for Radio Amatuers Book, but I made the 'C' variable so I can tune it up in a similar manner to that of PI tank circuit. I dont have any CAD for diagrams, all the pcb artwork was done by hand, I had a bit of techniacl smoke with the first PA a few dead power MOSFETS on the shack floor, but a chat with Chris G3XIZ and it was sorted out. Technical writing is ok as I used to write technical specifications and technical trial reports at BT. 73 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF RadCom Articles > Send it in - sounds just like the sort of simple 'weekend' article > several technical editors have been asking for. > > btw. By LCL output stage, assume you mean a lowpass Tee network? > > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > > design >> and build our own equipment, but do not submit it for possible >> publication >> because, state of the art technology it is not, the design is not >> particularly elegant, and the Technical Editor and the more accomplished >> contributors would fall over laughing when they saw it. But most of these >> projects are practical and they work. I work on the KISS (Keep It Simple >> Stupid) principle, don't use three components when one will work just as >> well. My 500kHz TX does not have any fancy CW sidetone circuit on >> transmit, >> just a piezo buzzer wired across the keyed 12v line to the driver board, >> the >> most complicated bit is the LCL output stage, which delivers 23W into a >> 50ohm dummy load and 900mA up the antenna, the TX/RX switching is like >> the >> old days, a simple toggle switch. > > > -- > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-aac4888dbe5bd; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:45:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB022-aac4888dbe5bd; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:45:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KM6kh-0004LB-JZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:45:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KM6kh-0004L2-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:45:27 +0100 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.246]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KM6kd-00038W-2u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:45:26 +0100 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b20so720233ana.9 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:45:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:date:mime-version :subject:message-id:priority:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-description:sender; bh=+INeEvSoveOe3qMb161QijCTvr5Qxyw/KQu8pi53/Yc=; b=TifrlF6erlaU/SGIDMQLwLns3HLzDELkmGMM/fyxuXGeHEYlpvciS8RNcs5Ci8R/x1 wu9yg0modU5kTdwtos283nCpaXror5M88qb51Gb8Y//we80/WlMYuug/Y7VC6B3Xldhb LnOplgdKf6Zvq3iOZpeOP6YcxJE+9zJdh2yso= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:date:mime-version:subject:message-id:priority:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-description:sender; b=oTk9pQWiJoOq6jqmc6R9+C98Zu0FJOJN3YkwpLRnzBgZg3WYvj+FEOg3ZHByU6dlP7 wwKb9n/BP5d2Og+gcymK5kqpEAaP5+Bg4tAArpm7lwsFJkfREsDIPc4f04RmeykD0CGI Ysw8X9NJdo9oDmF6mazZAEHZxnVOYWAupBbJo= Received: by 10.100.214.19 with SMTP id m19mr1246083ang.1.1216928718935; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.5? ( [86.149.242.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm6615356hse.15.2008.07.24.12.45.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:45:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:45:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4888E9D9.952.315D524@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <000a01c8edb7$0174f7a0$713a2e40@p1i5f0> References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920>, <000a01c8edb7$0174f7a0$713a2e40@p1i5f0> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 600m Info Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n On 24 Jul 2008 at 10:59, Steve McDonald wrote: > Are there any web sites devoted to 600m circuits etc? I am aware of the > U.S. group one as well as G3YMC's page and N4ICK's tx design, but > perhaps there are others as well? The only other ones I know of are listed on my 500kHz activity page: http://www.davesergeant.com/mf/activity.htm But that was written over a year ago and there may well be a few more now. If so I will add them. One of these days I might even get back on the band... 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD103-b5c4887a3fb29; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:35:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD016-b5c4887a3fb29; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:34:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KLlyA-0001YV-3G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:33:58 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KLly8-0001YM-Tf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:33:56 +0100 Received: from mailfilter14.ihug.co.nz ([203.109.136.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KLly4-0006QB-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:33:56 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAExAh0h2XLKM/2dsb2JhbAC0LIF9 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,240,1215345600"; d="scan'208";a="29743463" Received: from 118-92-178-140.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz (HELO athlon1200) ([118.92.178.140]) by smtp.mailfilter6.ihug.co.nz with SMTP; 24 Jul 2008 09:33:47 +1200 Message-ID: <024c01c8ed0b$c29ecf70$7900a8c0@athlon1200> From: "Dave Brown" To: References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <3652E16C8DF5458ABDD4D14CF2537C0A@AGB> <004a01c8eb5e$f72eed00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <18E35B939E2A4A418472A930207A288D@AGB> <001701c8ed07$d9f49d20$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:33:32 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + Use one of these http://sharon.esrac.ele.tue.nl/mirrors/zl1bpu/micro/EXCITER/Index.htm to generate half the output frequency and double that -you may even get by with feeding the ~250 kHz into the stage originally intended as the oscillator and running it as a doubler. Alternatively- use the exciter as is (it wont quite stretch to 500 kHz out - directly) and another xtal to mix it onto 500 kHz-that way you get to use all the exciter capabilities at 500 kHz without having to think about the effect of doubling everything. And since the exciter can operate anywhere from DC to 300 KHz or so you have a wide choice of mixing xtal frequencies. 73 Dave, ZL3FJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:05 AM Subject: LF: Re: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , > Hi Graham 500khz crystals are quite difficult to make and certainly > you > wount fine one in a smaller package than HC6/U as far as I remember. > There > are some 10X series rocks that were used in one of the frequency > calibrators > (No 10 I think) They will need chasing up a little with some > "scouring > powder". I think that is probably the best bet.....good luck finding > one...... I have one but its part of my crystal collection so not > for sale > :-)) > > I have seen 453.xx kHz crystals in HC6/U but never come across any > 500kHz. > You could always put a 500kHz ceramic resonator inside an HC6/U case > !! > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:14 PM > Subject: LF: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 > 504 Khz , > > > Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , > > Pref round 502 KHz , fundamental, needs to be a 'big' one , for a > valve > oscillator ! > > I assume hc6u would be ok or bigger , these look to be the right > type ! > > http://hipme.com/weblogs/wa5znu/20050302210827/xtals.jpg > > Tnx - G .. > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: > 23/07/2008 13:31 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (rly-ma05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.49]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA082-8ae488909b930f; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:01:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA058-8ae488909b930f; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:01:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KM9na-0004yW-FF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:00:38 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KM9na-0004yN-0v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:00:38 +0100 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.170]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KM9nW-0006BG-Kz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:00:37 +0100 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so2531735wfa.16 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:00:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=K8UVfcU41jDq/p8fmNIYVCaKcfRLTIeHorBRXLYsfE0=; b=KO9yGSE96TgedokAmpeIIGCxLa4SF9y6MQ4syTY7JSujM4aNPFU/v88O7aP0b4OCX7 1E2K4lZKE8h7mtyOKRUfbKh+eNoGH4h3AYqlMs0/qqKfgeLxGDTxuuWIbZaK44I+6alo YodwSFVqGqCf/jSWFjnugO8+RL3Ygy+OxYuKw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=we9f56AdHDu6/t51vwqyhMGzIap8oU24IDs7oQ5br06qaQVTGdej2LAe0XsMLkenEp jRDT+5Z7Bv8rIntEsBHibBMaZlLxnFsjAEU6owjzJgdzlNQqCxiH7llvAv7eJJw7F79R w87m/NWMhdy2c8paq8bMOiKdyqCU8n7Id3nLs= Received: by 10.143.30.10 with SMTP id h10mr300436wfj.7.1216940432201; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.37.10 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <57a24ca70807241600l38107d28lb3f9dde75239fa5f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:00:32 -0400 From: "Warren Ziegler" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000a01c8edb7$0174f7a0$713a2e40@p1i5f0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> <4880B1E7.3040008@ntlworld.com> <000a01c8edb7$0174f7a0$713a2e40@p1i5f0> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 600m Info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Steve, Feel free to use The Lowfer Forum: http://www.kc3ol.dynip.com/forums/index.php There is some 600m stuff up there already. 73 Warren K2ORS On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Steve McDonald wrote: > Are there any web sites devoted to 600m circuits etc? I am aware of the U.S. > group one as well as G3YMC's page and N4ICK's tx design, but perhaps there > are others as well? > > Several of the 2200m experimental licencees have just been asked to submit > formal proposals for 600m experimental permits here in Canada so things are > starting to look positive but I have no idea of the timeline. Just in case, > I thought I had better get the soldering iron warmed-up once again, not that > it has ever really cooled-off. > > Also...does anyone know how well the M0MBU scope match circuit (that works > so wonderfully-well on 2200m) performs on 600m without any modification? > > Steve / VE7SL > > Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm > > > > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA033-a684883b25761; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:47:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA048-a684883b25761; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:47:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKgju-0003IG-TF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:46:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKgju-0003I7-Fw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:46:46 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKgjr-0006QV-5o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:46:46 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 85C381C0008E for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:46:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.37.113]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 2C1CB1C0008A for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:46:34 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080720214634180.2C1CB1C0008A@mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <00e001c8eaaa$364a0660$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:46:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 KHzTX Test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0091_01C8EABA.740D1450" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C8EABA.740D1450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, Reaching Wallasey ok , showing about 30 db , over back ground noise level (= un tuned) on R5000=20 , why not drop down to 501.250 , Shetland is running ? G .. From: Gary - G4WGT=20 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:50 PM To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20 Subject: LF: 500 KHzTX Test Hi LF, =20 Testing at the moment with 34 watts Tx - 100mW ERP - 503.600 KHz - 12wpm CW=20= at 1 minute intervals. =20 Reports welcome. =20 73, =20 Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. =20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12= :59 ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C8EABA.740D1450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gary,
 
Reaching Wallasey ok , showing about 3= 0 =20 db , over back ground noise level (un tuned) on R5000
 
 , why not drop down to  501.250=20= ,=20 Shetland is running ?
 
G ..

Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:50 PM
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Hi=20 LF,

 

Testing at the=20 moment with 34 watts Tx - 100mW ERP =96 503.600 KHz =96 12wpm CW at 1 minute= =20 intervals.

 

Reports=20 welcome.

 

73,=

 

Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83QP.

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C8EABA.740D1450-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD051-8e3487e54ca393; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:07:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD013-8e3487e54ca393; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:06:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJDFi-0007D0-4q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:05:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJDFh-0007Cr-CB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:05:29 +0100 Received: from smarthost02.mail.mbr-roch.zen.net.uk ([212.23.3.141] helo=smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJDFe-0006F2-8S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:05:29 +0100 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJDFa-0001Is-O7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:05:22 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:07:17 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01c8e77f$940caa60$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjlN+usuDcoK9PVQ+WRZY0RwxjdgACQ7aUA Importance: Normal X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [82.68.18.174] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.000,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: satellites Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C8E787.F5D11260" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C8E787.F5D11260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've not got an axe to grind re RadCom, but is the lack of major construction projects in RadCom more to do with there being less people doing the larger scale design/construction projects as well as being motivated to write it up for RadCom? Maybe it's also related to SMD and the increasing demise of discrete components that makes some potential authors feel that replication of designs will be more difficult and lead to a lot of subsequent correspondence. =20 =20 I have a feeling that many of the innovative designers are currently quite involved with projects such as the satellites/microwaves, with which David will be more familiar than I, and with with hardware/software projects. With well supported Internet reflectors RadCom may not be see by those involved in these types of development as the ideal platform with which to publish their work. =20 =20 What I would like to see, and be prepared to support, is for those who have done some interesting construction or experimentation on 500kHz write it up for RadCom. Whilst we are preparing for Agenda Item 1.23 at WRC-11 we need to raise awareness not only within the UK, but also with other National Societies, of the work and results that have been obtained on 500kHz. Maintaining the 500kHz proposal on the agenda for the conference is not a certainty, so good quality publications relating to 500kHz experiments and operating in RadCom, QEX, CQ DL & CQ-QSO, etc, ought to be a priority. =20 73 John, G3WKL ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C8E787.F5D11260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I've not got an axe to=20= grind re=20 RadCom, but is the lack of major construction projects in=20 RadCom more to do with there being less people doing the larger=20 scale design/construction projects as well as being motivated to w= rite=20 it up for RadCom?  Maybe it's also related to SMD and the increasing de= mise=20 of discrete components that makes some potential authors feel that replicati= on=20 of designs will be more difficult and lead to a lot of subsequent=20 correspondence. 
 
I have a feeling that=20 many of the innovative designers are currently quite involved with proj= ects=20 such as the satellites/microwaves, with which David will be more famili= ar=20 than I, and with with hardware/software projects.  With well=20 supported Internet reflectors RadCom may not be see by those involved i= n=20 these types of development as the ideal platform with which to publish their= =20 work. 
 
What I would like to se= e, and=20 be prepared to support, is for those who have done some interesting=20 construction or experimentation on 500kHz write it up for RadCom.  Whil= st=20 we are preparing for Agenda Item 1.23 at WRC-11 we need to raise awaren= ess=20 not only within the UK, but also with other National Societies, of the work=20= and=20 results that have been obtained on 500kHz.  Maintaining the 500kHz prop= osal=20 on the agenda for the conference is not a certainty, so good quality=20 publications relating to 500kHz experiments and operating in RadCom, QE= X,=20 CQ DL & CQ-QSO, etc, ought to be a priority.
 
73 John,=20 G3WKL
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hi joe,
nice capture
henny pa3cpm
best 73s
 
 
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X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Gentlemen - I have been happily overwhelmed with numerous responses to my inquiry. Many thanks to all of you who took the time to send links and valuable hints & kinks. I have no idea of our 600m timeline here but things seem to be moving faster than I had anticipated and RAC is pushing hard for our cause with Industry Canada. Hopefully we could be operational later this year but this is just a wishful guess at the moment. I will begin construction shortly on something basic that will give me around 100W for starters and then begin transverter construction in order to run some fsk modes. Our experimental licences will be geared towards fleshing out 600m for regional emergency networks reliability over various paths and conditions. It is also looking as if we will be able to work other stations within the amateur service, either directly on 600m or via crossband but nothing has yet been written in stone. Thanks all again for the flood of good information. 73 - Steve / VE7SL Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD092-b86488492bd7c; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:44:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD068-b86488492bd7c; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:44:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKvgM-0005OC-PL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:44:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKvgM-0005O3-Aw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:44:06 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.62]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKvgI-0004WL-HZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:44:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 8822 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 13:43:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=d1IyUHf+nD/nnH2kKMrlG9/41XkTBlzy6LUlG+6Qjhn44Dqg7ytx2/SnaqoMeHAZHu9YdZQPWmPLxtub/8onNCHquukM4cUE5Qpmpo3yQp99jsZKtMJrLObWMoTHlLaddj7us3hyXQ0EtRrFTJSy5ToxEKyLkfhIOmcv5fIIxZQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.11.174 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 13:43:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xEghHu8VM1m24zu2an.hrRkLLN9Tc_NDatc6UcNSahS80cxIRl22.G7qBoIt6WpuhXjRrwkXsrGHVJ5BW_O.WCvxp9WKz78IIbLkU1CdpTQTvvqLvvo610V1EjTucyr.rjw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <007e01c8eb37$d0733940$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <1KKtyY-2JdIrg0@fwd34.t-online.de> <48848B4B.3070401@w1tag.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:43:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Gosh are you guys getting civilised at last, to recognise a spherical football Ok course one would have make corrections for the "Beckham Effect" ! Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum > Andy, > > Better yet, take a soccer ball and start winding wire around it until > you have completed a 90 degree arc on both sides. What's the resulting > pattern? > > John Andrews, W1TAG > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA012-a7d4884bd3f4b; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:46:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA075-a7d4884bd3f4b; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:45:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKyVt-00068E-5F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:45:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKyVs-000685-Nf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:45:28 +0100 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.158] helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKyVp-0004KM-0q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:45:28 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3002.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 711051C00148 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:45:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.59.193]) by mwinf3002.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 14E5D1C00147 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:45:10 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080721164513859.14E5D1C00147@mwinf3002.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <3652E16C8DF5458ABDD4D14CF2537C0A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:45:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz TX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8EB59.81E22F80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8EB59.81E22F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: mal hamilton=20 ''''My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled components from the junk box.''''' G-I-G-O , proved once again, as we appliance users used to say ,=20 you couldn't make it up ! G .. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8EB59.81E22F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

 

''''My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled=20 components from the junk box.'''''
 
 
G-I-G-O , proved once again, as we applianc= e users=20 used to say ,
 
you couldn't make it=20 up !
 
G ..  
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8EB59.81E22F80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA023-8d6487a815a40; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:27:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA108-8d6487a815a40; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:27:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KIA2P-0007s6-Qe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:27:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KIA2P-0007rx-C1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:27:25 +0100 Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KIA2N-0003NW-7M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:27:25 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id l.c6c.2ad50b9f (42805) for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:27:14 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:27:14 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1215988033" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + -------------------------------1215988033 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 13/07/2008 22:10:42 GMT Standard Time, jh.bodin@telia.com writes: Mal, try http://www.amsat.org 73 Johan SM6LKM mal hamilton wrote: > I have not seen any mention of satellite acty in Radcom for a long time, > has this also fizzled out. Mal. Amsat is alive and well. - Not sure about the recent American, Eagle and Intelsat projects though. Sadly it's Rad Com that seems to have fizzled out. It must be months since they have had a real construction project. Perhaps its money saving, but it does seem as though all creativity is now limited to existing columnists. It appears to have evolved from technical journal to newspaper. 73 David -------------------------------1215988033 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 13/07/2008 22:10:42 GMT Standard Time,=20 jh.bodin@telia.com writes:
Mal,=

try http://www.amsat.org

73 Johan=20 SM6LKM


mal hamilton wrote:
> I have not seen any mention=20= of=20 satellite acty in Radcom for a long time,
> has this also fizzled=20 out.

Mal.
 
Amsat is alive and well. - Not sure about the recent American, Eag= le=20 and Intelsat projects though.
 
Sadly it's Rad Com that seems to have fizzled out.  It must be mon= ths=20 since they have had a real construction project. Perhaps its money saving, b= ut=20 it does seem as though all creativity is now limited to existing=20 columnists. It appears to have evolved from technical journal to=20 newspaper.
 
73
 
David
 -------------------------------1215988033-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-aed487b468f1f9; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:29:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB103-aed487b468f1f9; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:29:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KIN7T-0001CX-HZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:25:31 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KIN7R-0001CL-B6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:25:29 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.52]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KIN7K-0005kQ-AA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:25:27 +0100 X-Trace: 46911804/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.33.87 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.33.87 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUEAMzhekhYaiFX/2dsb2JhbACCcms0h0adOAM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.30,359,1212361200"; d="scan'208,217";a="46911804" Received: from 88-106-33-87.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.33.87]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2008 13:25:02 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:24:57 +0100 Message-ID: <006b01c8e5ac$a3f86600$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcjlJuCd8PZrcQVARay8sckRrmj2qAAhZgog X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080714-0, 14/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C8E5B5.05BCCE00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C8E5B5.05BCCE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Well done, heard you up here also but not really strong. Gary - G4WGT. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Chris Osborn Sent: 13 July 2008 21:25 To: LF Group Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO LF / MF There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz today permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band. Stations worked:- 496 G3DXZ 497 G3UNT 498 G3ZWH 499 M0FMT 500 G3XPU 73 Chris G3XIZ _____ Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C8E5B5.05BCCE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Chris,

&nb= sp;

Well done, heard you up here also but not really strong.=

&nb= sp;

Gary = 211; G4WGT.

&nb= sp;

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] On Behalf Of Chris Osborn<= br> Sent: 13 July 2008 21:25
To: LF Group
Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th=20= QSO

 

LF / MF

There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz today
permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band.

Stations worked:-

496  G3DXZ 
497  G3UNT 
498  G3ZWH 
499  M0FMT 
500  G3XPU 

73
Chris G3XIZ

 

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------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C8E5B5.05BCCE00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG021-a1248847c3b4f; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:08:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG054-a1248847c3b4f; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:08:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKuBT-0004qb-Qd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:08:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKuBR-0004qS-9Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:08:05 +0100 Received: from smtpout18.attiva.biz ([85.37.16.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKuBO-00025N-Gr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:08:05 +0100 Received: from FBCMFE02B20.fbc.local ([192.168.31.245]) by smtpout18.attiva.biz with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:07:55 +0200 Received: from imac1.spineletronic2.191.it ([87.24.41.185]) by FBCMFE02B20.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:07:54 +0200 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:07:53 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Marco IK1ODO -2 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2008 12:07:54.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[6812B770:01C8EB2A] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n At 13.29 21/07/2008, you wrote: >Was pondering this while out walking the other day, and couldn't come >to a satisfactory conclusion either way... > >A small magnetic loop mounted vertically has a defined radiation >resistance that is a function of its diameter, a loss that is function >of its conductor and hence a loss or efficiency that is the ratio of >the two. It is resonated with a good quality vacuum capacitor, and >fed/matched by any suitable metrhod. Lets also leave aside all the >myth and folklore about small loops, and also ignore the environment >for now. It also as a radiation pattern with nulls. > >Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre >line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling >between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and >resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original >value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled >in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. > >BUT... >What is the resulting change in efficiency? Andy, just my 2 cents: you have two magnetic fields in phase, that sum as vectors. So, from a distance you see only one vector, sum of the two, with nulls and so on; and you sum the areas of the two loops, projected on the plane orthogonal to the vector. If the loops are orthogonal between them you have a 1.41 times the effective area, and two times the resistance. The radiation pattern is not omnidirectional at all, and the total efficiency decreases. This is an intuitive reasoning... not scientific, HI. 73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA074-8954873298b1e3; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 04:47:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA027-8954873298b1e3; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 04:47:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KG8pg-0006Bg-KD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:45:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KG8pf-0006BX-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:45:55 +0100 Received: from web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.123]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KG8pf-0007Jy-QJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:45:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 50289 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 2008 08:45:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=UVqHZA5c78sixwRKqWkpCetUgKJWTMfA3pmaa3cOCi1HPozFGDoQe8X29ww9nVZ8iI44oIY7TbPKbwihUNF0Vj+zB3NGY93bBev+/V4B5HfBQScdDSh6rnTRJSG26BaU/f4BTIqeTh/Q7upQ5tsiqTnasK8BuPXo2PnJuhbYYUE=; Received: from [86.137.241.64] by web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:45:49 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:45:49 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <62688.50205.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Copy - SAQ TRANSMISSION 2008-06-29 ALEXANDER DAY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-785276668-1215506749=:50205" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n --0-785276668-1215506749=:50205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Preliminary Summary Report on SAQ transmisson 2008-06-29. Sunday, 6 July, 2008 2:16 PM From:=20 "Lars K=C3=A5lland" Add sender to Contacts=20 To:=20 "SVASS/Lars Kld/HARALD" Message contains attachments SAQ - REPORTS OF TRANSMISSION 2008-06-29 ALEXANDER DAY - VERSION 1.doc (299K= B) =C2=A0 CQ DE SAQ/SM6NM =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please read our "Preliminary Summary Reports" from "Alexander Day" June 29 2= 008. The list will be up-dated on our web site www.alexander.n.se. =C2=A0 190 reports, so far.The signal was weak in US but was heard in Asiatic Russi= a and in Japan. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yours =C2=A0 Lars Kalland SM6NM =C2=A0 __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now=20= at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html --0-785276668-1215506749=:50205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Get the one you=20 really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! --0-785276668-1215506749=:50205-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF052-98748837f9879; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:10:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF105-98748837f9879; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:10:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKdMQ-0002ZP-CM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:10:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKdMP-0002ZG-UO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:10:17 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKdMM-000540-Mh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:10:17 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEABocg0hOlT9i/2dsb2JhbACEXKhC Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.63.98]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 19:10:05 +0100 Message-ID: <002101c8ea93$d6a09780$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <001601c8ea81$06520b20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:10:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Have you missed the news, there are two wars going on at the moment in the middle east and if some of the participants had a H-bomb device I think they would squeeze the trigger. They do not seem to be bothered about themselves or their own infrastructure. You seem to be out of touch. I prefer to stick to VALVES/TUBES and MORSE KEYS and not politics, and not be caught out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom > Which big bang ? A few superpowers may have tested the occasional EMP > weapon with 'interesting' findings, but no one ever deployed one - > they all realised the potential for damaging thier own infrastructure > as well as the target's. And contrary to all the popular sci-fi films > and myths of the era, a normal ground-burst or even air-burst of a few > MT does not generate damaging EMP. It has to be a true exo-atmopheric > explosion at a height to do practically no other damage, and of a > mechanism yielding mainly high energy gamma / X-rays to generate the > necessary Compton scattering. > > The stories put-about back then were incorrect and partly propaganda, > but also genuine misunderstanding of the respective countries' > techology capabilities, and their modus-operandi > > Andy G4JNT > > 2008/7/20 mal hamilton : >> When the big BANG comes you will regret not having learned about >> VALVES/TUBES and how to use them. >> These have a good chance of survival when all the chips have FRIED and >> being >> able to use a morse key a bonus. >> G3KEV >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" >> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:24 AM >> Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom >> >> >>> Two pijnts... >>> 1) Satellites >>> Having just joined Amsat (because I felt I 'ought' to) I'm less than >>> impressed with a) Oscar News which has had no technical content in the >>> two issues so far received, and b) The Amsat -UK web site. In spite >>> of supposed to being able to log in I can't after several requests. >>> Seems there is nothing there anyway >>> So all in all, don't look to much from the UK Am satellite scene. >>> >>> 2) Constructional articles >>> Radcom is always looking out for things. My new column can continue >>> based on years of my own-experimentation and building in quintillions >>> of different subject areas from DC to pink light, digits and analogue, >>> but I would like input from others. Anything that isn't yet another >>> wire antenna or a new H-Mode mixer, and certainly no valves would be >>> welcome; mid-range to upper end technology is preferred using >>> modern(ish, in amateur terms) devices. Don't want to cover simple >>> basics, that is best left to Eamon and Ian in their columns. >>> >>> Waiting... >>> >>> Andy G4JNT >>> www.scrbg.org/g4jnt >>> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF034-550488ce9fe12d; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:35:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF055-550488ce9fe12d; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:34:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KNDsU-00070V-LI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:34:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KNDsU-00070M-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:34:06 +0100 Received: from simone.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.77]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNDsR-0002N8-4R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:34:06 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by simone.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6RLXtTq025345 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:03:55 -0230 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:03:55 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001601c8f007$6761f750$7c7ba8c0@ACER> Message-ID: References: <001601c8f007$6761f750$7c7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Henny, Thank-you for the report. The TX is running normally. 73 Joe On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, henny van elst wrote: > hi joe, > > nothing seen on the screen today > henny pa3cpm > gl 73s From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh02.mx.aol.com (rly-mh02.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.138]) by air-mh06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH064-bb94871c5f634; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:30:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH021-bb94871c5f634; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:30:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KFl98-0004ot-6Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:28:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KFl97-0004ok-Hi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:28:25 +0100 Received: from hpsmtp-eml15.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.115]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KFl94-0007fj-N5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:28:25 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml110.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.110]) by hpsmtp-eml15.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:28:15 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml110.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:28:14 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c8e003$0372fb90$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:28:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2008 07:28:14.0056 (UTC) FILETIME=[043B0680:01C8E003] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Fw: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): vo1na0707.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8E013.C6EE0FF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8E013.C6EE0FF0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000A_01C8E013.C6EE0FF0" ------=_NextPart_001_000A_01C8E013.C6EE0FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: henny van elst=20 To: jcraig@mun.ca=20 Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): vo1na0707.jpg hi joe, just a little trace 73 henny pa3cpm Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden= : vo1na0707.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen he= t verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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[172.19.141.152]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD074-b7e4880994d128; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:23:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD058-b7e4880994d128; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:23:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJpvV-0003c1-85 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:23:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJpvU-0003bq-S0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:23:12 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJpvR-0002AM-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:23:12 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAFA2gEhOkJ5h/2dsb2JhbACEW6pd Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.158.97]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 14:22:57 +0100 Message-ID: <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:22:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n How about all the different weights and measures used throughout the world plus the different currencies. The majority of countries do not use the metric system, not even in some parts of EU. If a radio amateur gets confused over resistors perhaps he is better suited to the internet and a mobile phone. de G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM >> Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the >> traditional squiggle for a resistor. > > Using different names, symbols or abbreviations can lead to confusion and > thus errors. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh12.mx.aol.com (rly-mh12.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.148]) by air-mh04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH044-61f4869f0d8e9; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:55:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh12.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH122-61f4869f0d8e9; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:54:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KDbcT-0007bY-6T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 09:53:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KDbcS-0007bP-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 09:53:48 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpo-eml06.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.155]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KDbcP-0001Ww-29 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 09:53:48 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml113.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.113]) by cpsmtpo-eml06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:53:39 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml113.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:53:39 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c8db57$f4b61330$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:53:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2008 08:53:39.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4ECB390:01C8DB57] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C8DB68.B8267930" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C8DB68.B8267930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi joe, today nothing on the screen, henny pa3cpm gl=20 best 73s ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C8DB68.B8267930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi joe,
today nothing on the=20 screen,
henny pa3cpm
gl
best=20 73s
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C8DB68.B8267930-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md03.mx.aol.com (rly-md03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.141]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD052-8f2486f391fc3; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:04:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD032-8f2486f391fc3; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:04:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KF3ge-0008Mw-MH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:04:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KF3ge-0008Mn-7e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:04:08 +0100 Received: from mx6.mail.ru ([194.67.23.26]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KF3ga-0001tn-Mf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:04:08 +0100 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=55250 helo=EFREMOV) by mx6.mail.ru with asmtp id 1KF3gR-0003Vp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:03:55 +0400 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <002901c8de7d$f8991780$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey RN3AGC" To: References: <000501c8dba6$62a03620$0301a8c0@g3kev> <486A78F4.7030500@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:02:15 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: OK X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Signals on 440 khz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ~ Hello LF-group! What it on 440 khz http://www.cln.ru/~efremov/files/440.jpg ? Transmitters of similar signals work in a strip 439.998 - 440.012 khz. I pay your attention, the Argo in qrss90. 73 Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de10.mx.aol.com (rly-de10.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.146]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-50a4880a68311b; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:20:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE105-50a4880a68311b; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:19:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJqmB-0003zP-Jg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:17:39 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJqm7-0003zG-Sg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:17:36 +0100 Received: from mail2.imagen.ca ([208.181.178.12]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJqm1-00007M-EZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:17:34 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.imagen.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DE61EF8D82 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:17:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Score: -2.599 Received: from mail2.imagen.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail2.imagen.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id TWafhzsrvM9v for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p1i5f0 (unknown [64.46.58.105]) by mail2.imagen.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 5316E1EF8AD3 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:17:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n > So stop this "real radio amateur" and "CW only" crap and allow us to > enjoy the hobby in a way that we enjoy, to the best of our imperfect > abilities. >dave >G8SZX Dave - you'll have to excuse Mal as, once again, I think he's got the LF reflector confused with the OF (Old Fart) reflector. VE7SL Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-53a4877a38b151; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:17:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF033-53a4877a38b151; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:16:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KHN9x-0002j0-Iz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:15:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KHN9w-0002ir-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:15:56 +0100 Received: from smtp104.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.85.214]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KHN9w-0008Bj-7B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:15:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 28568 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2008 18:15:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=izqZaDBpma7QfzMVto1+Qh8uvNfD9W/L7pBKZKLSvOmMajcIwEB25duMjx142vGN9WDOV0s10Bq0oQovbFItdjJ9Nd7HMsS4IrSGC7YrDLtivEH7Q+iixIAPn61Jhos2C1sCqu+BNat9H19fxN60e1c9ErsWz4fStVn6IFYAKhQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@btinternet.com@81.154.166.143 with login) by smtp104.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 18:15:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: otNrQFAVM1k8lUl_Om7.ElmWjg7X7OfTde83IbPkHtRTawCV4Lw9RCGnYxWaJziZqcXyJBIUqEduPf2F.bir1xt4UJRR.gW2HRcsM_jKwt80O42gi6Rk2iJgYjieIlER075cAg2PulJ7fnLIfg9qBcpz X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001501c8e382$202fb430$0401a8c0@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <004c01c8e36c$99bef1a0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:15:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C8E38A.80B95240" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C8E38A.80B95240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had a very nice QSO with M0FMT this morning, still using 100mW, I am in th= e process of constructing a 1W erp PA. Regards. Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: LF: test It looks like LF/MF has died in the UK and the rest of EU. There has never been more than 5 dedicatred CW operators interested in hav= ing a QSO that has now almost fizzled out. 500 khz has never really been a starter. The only current activity seems to be Beacon mode on 505 khz but that adds= little to the band because there are already hundreds of beacons active to=20= choose from if one is interested in world wide propagation tests.=20 de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C8E38A.80B95240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had a very nice QSO with M0FMT this morni= ng,=20 still using 100mW, I am in the process of constructing a 1W erp PA.
 
Regards.
 
Ken  M0KHW
----- Original Message -----
mal= =20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:41 PM=
Subject: LF: test

It looks like LF/MF has died in the&= nbsp;UK=20 and the rest of EU.
There has never been more than 5 dedicatr= ed CW=20 operators interested in having a QSO that has now almost fizzled=20 out.
500 khz has never really been a=20 starter.
The only current activity seems to be Bea= con mode=20 on 505 khz but that adds little to the band because there are already hund= reds=20 of beacons active to choose from if one is interested in world wide=20 propagation tests.
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C8E38A.80B95240-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD012-b98488074c1f9; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:47:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD092-b98488074c1f9; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:47:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJnTf-0002wR-Gc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:46:19 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJnTe-0002wI-RZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:46:18 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-2.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.232] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJnTb-0006jy-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:46:18 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AskFAIQRgEhOkJ5h/2dsb2JhbAATgis0gWmFQgqZSIs+ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.158.97]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 11:46:09 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:46:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8E8CB.DF826910" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8E8CB.DF826910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Latest copy. In depth discussion about how a resistor should be represented on a cct diag= ram. Boxes or squiggles !!!!!!!! Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the tradition= al squiggle for a resistor. It seem some so called designers/engineerts and=20= others have nothing better to do than dream up changes which are not necessa= ry. Also, how did we all manage in the heyday of HF radio with analogue systems,= not a DIGI in sight, the world still kept spinning. How about some good RF enigneering and less DC building blocks. It is more challenging to use an old basic rig, ie Collins, Drake etc and en= joy natural communications methods like CW and VOICE (AM or SSB). No complicated digital modes are necessary, just a steady sound CW fist, goo= d symetrical ears and for some elecution lessons !! de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8E8CB.DF826910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Latest copy.
In depth discussion about how a resistor sh= ould be=20 represented on a cct diagram.
Boxes or squiggles !!!!!!!!
Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycl= es,=20 condensers, and the traditional squiggle for a resistor. It seem some so cal= led=20 designers/engineerts and others have nothing better to do than dream up chan= ges=20 which are not necessary.
Also, how did we all manage in the heyday o= f HF=20 radio with analogue systems, not a DIGI in sight, the world still kept=20 spinning.
How about some good RF enigneering and less= DC=20 building blocks.
It is more challenging to use an old basic=20= rig, ie=20 Collins, Drake etc and enjoy natural communications methods like CW and VOIC= E=20 (AM or SSB).
No complicated digital modes are necessary,= just a=20 steady sound CW fist, good symetrical ears and for some elecution lessons=20 !!
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8E8CB.DF826910-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB053-acc4889d05add; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:08:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB062-acc4889d05add; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:08:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KMN1Y-0007Fv-A2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:07:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KMN1X-0007Fm-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:07:55 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KMN1T-0006OI-V1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:07:55 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 388421C0008B for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:07:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.82.187]) by mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 3C6881C00092 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:07:37 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080725130738247.3C6881C00092@mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <629A03B1A3FD4E69A12F1E1A65C91D3F@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> <4880B1E7.3040008@ntlworld.com> <000a01c8edb7$0174f7a0$713a2e40@p1i5f0> <004101c8edc4$b4bc9590$6401a8c0@asus> <78354821F47346A99538CF6923DD3D22@AGB> <006f01c8edf4$c4f73e80$6d3a2e40@p1i5f0> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:07:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: 600m Info Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Steve I think you will find 50 to 100 watts will give good comms over the first 60 or so miles and with 'arq' over a couple of hundred the deep fade pattern and high noise level , really prevent the simple broadcast operation of the newer multi tone systems, , Gary g4wgt and my self g0nbd have run various tests over the year , in normal rtty 85 hz shift gave very good results local and over distance. The 85 hz shift was the result of a selective fading test , where 200 Hz separation looked to increase the possibility of loosing one (the hf) tone before the lower one, 23 hz shift also gave good results but benefitted from a reduction in baud rate. psk31 was a magnitude better over any path, good results can be obtained at range with the mulit tone systems , eg Olivia , but in qsb the long out times result in quite high data loss due to re-lock time I would think, but have not been able to try it yet , as not found any other station with a pk232 , the original amtor system would provide quite a robust link over distance due to its very short tx/rx cycle time and data frame of only 3 letters , but at a loss of noise immunity compared to the psk systems. the mail handling arq psk systems fail due to the length of the transmitted data word and the reliance on a statistically 'high' level of confidence in the reception of the 'echo' pulse, which cannot be archived on 500, then end result usually a lock up ! Amplifier , As you are nearly fixed tuned, its quite possible to modify a set that works on 160 mtrs by discreet lumped inductance and capacity , with the original power level of some 25/30 watts , I used a simple parallel tuned atu , not out of palce on 160 mtrs , the 4 gang 1000 pf capacitor was a spare for a Marconi cr100 rx , the coil a ww2 bc640 2 mhz tank coil , i also found my weltz sp220 swr bridge worked fine on 500 khz as well .... no more than 25 watts or it heats up .. with the increase of power the atu flashes over , I had to construct a variometer , and oddly , I found the coaxial dynamics 8200G 2/30 mhz 250 watt bird insert gave reliable results on 500 , it reads a bit low 170 for 220 ish , but it doesn't produce a phantom reflected reading and once i had made a calibration chart , proved quite usable , notably none of the 'bird' slugs in the hf range , 50, 100, 500, 1000 w, worked without giving a false return reading , Good luck with the system G .. > I will begin construction shortly on something basic that will give me > around 100W for starters and then begin transverter construction in order > to > run some fsk modes. >Our experimental licences will be geared towards > fleshing out 600m for regional emergency networks reliability over various > paths and conditions. It is also looking as if we will be able to work > other > stations within the amateur service, either directly on 600m or via > crossband but nothing has yet been written in stone. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de11.mx.aol.com (rly-de11.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.147]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE031-510488985ce1f1; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:50:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de11.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE111-510488985ce1f1; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:50:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KMI3Z-0006AV-FR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:49:41 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KMI3Z-0006AM-1e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:49:41 +0100 Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com ([66.249.90.182]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KMI3W-0000Sd-Nl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:49:40 +0100 Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c29so2987442ika.4 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:49:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=jxlByM21S5J702Qj96ijvC/DoUaXpUuUxDClxfn+RT0=; b=TZAQhFQNn0FAJxl2aEwYxJMRiG1jvL1r9yqYnB3c02hyAtNdFhBNo0AJ2Wxq/ajK1k rZ8oVycD8sfHuR5qbhtHMVi35nlEjMPX4jnWXu4ADcFIY9Wf01wog14eGubRX3tCUZOR 0vcVNt6p28mmFEfv8VNfKnxSr/GpSN+iN2wm4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=pgXPA8hcwQpCtGv10ALiDnm32PSNEb/ZmAjTdLPEwNJ74k5aP9yTrOFMIqiKKkYPMt pQuEJa3BJbkp01jpAyqmVulME/aDkYyb34FFRldNP33UBo+ORihxNOpod6bCc/2I5U+U wLgvymcI1CYSj9RhmSeyh9Lb1GSCo4V/7Ldzk= Received: by 10.210.39.20 with SMTP id m20mr1554351ebm.126.1216972177960; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.110.2 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:49:37 +0100 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Loop conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Tnx for the replies on this. In the original post I'd forgotton that Chu-Harrington described a sphere just sufficient to enclose the antenna, so a pair od crossed loops would fit into the same size as a single one, as Jim pointed out. The phasing issue should have been obvious too - as one writer said, it is similar in outline to two crossed dipoles that just give 45 degree shifted linear polarisation if fed in phase. Oh well, saves the effort of making one to test-out. Back to writing software. Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD104-b6c4884a408382; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:58:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD036-b6c4884a408382; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:58:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKwpa-0005aH-AF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:57:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKwpZ-0005a8-Nf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:57:41 +0100 Received: from imo-m11.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.99] helo=imo-m11.mail.aol.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKwpV-0005Kw-PR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:57:41 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id l.be5.370ab348 (37033) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB023-90a94884a3d627; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:57:26 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-STG-D01 (webmail-stg-d01.sim.aol.com [205.188.162.22]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.10) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA011-5baa4884a3cd25f; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:57:17 -0400 References: <1KKtyY-2JdIrg0@fwd34.t-online.de> <48848B4B.3070401@w1tag.com> <007e01c8eb37$d0733940$0900a8c0@AM> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:57:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: <007e01c8eb37$d0733940$0900a8c0@AM> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g4gvw@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37668-STANDARD Received: from 92.8.27.112 by WEBMAIL-STG-D01.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.22) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:57:17 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAB95933CB2A8D-648-4E4@WEBMAIL-STG-D01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + I think, Alan, that to achieve the "Beckham" effect would require that you arrange for the resulting radiation pattern to achieve a "curve" in the general direction of the beam pattern and it will probably be necessary to approach either Penrose or Hawking for the math which will calculate the "bendability" factor on a universal scale! 73 de Pat g4gvw QTH Near FELIXSTOWE, UK Thought for today: What politicians do for science, hopefully science will do for them one day! -----Original Message----- From: Alan Melia To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:43 Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum Gosh are you guys getting civilised at last, to recognise a spherical football Ok course one would have make corrections for the "Beckham Effect" ! Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum > Andy, > > Better yet, take a soccer ball and start winding wire around it until > you have completed a 90 degree arc on both sides. What's the resulting > pattern? > > John Andrews, W1TAG > ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (rly-ma04.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.48]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA083-8a1487f42fa219; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:02:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA043-8a1487f42fa219; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:02:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJT7t-00011h-CL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:02:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJT7s-00011Y-OH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:02:28 +0100 Received: from smarthost03.mail.mbr-roch.zen.net.uk ([212.23.3.142] helo=smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJT7p-0005l4-25 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:02:28 +0100 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJT7l-0003f3-TF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:02:22 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:04:26 +0100 Message-ID: <004f01c8e80d$a752a7d0$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <487F37A4.9090906@ukonline.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjoBqvPdVJHjcBPRVC7o6SO//bbUAABJq4g Importance: Normal X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [82.68.18.174] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + Thanks to Mal and Peter for their comments on the limitation of their own approach to construction related articles. I understand their viewpoint as it is similar to my own progress in getting on the band. However, if there are any on the reflector who have done something of interest to others, and worthy of an article, then I would encourage them to write up. On the question of further increase in power I will certainly be trying to get it raised further, but the MCA and Ofcom are wanting to be careful, so the next opportunity will be when we seek at this September's meeting to extend the existing arrangements that are due to expire in February next year. 73 John, G3WKL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-ab74887a9ca36f; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:59:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB035-ab74887a9ca36f; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:59:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KLmMn-0001sk-IW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:59:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KLmMn-0001sb-4q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:59:25 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KLmMj-0006Yp-Kb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:59:25 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2081C1C00086 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:59:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.83.11]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 3218D1C00082 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:59:13 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080723215913205.3218D1C00082@mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <88E0E83560BC42438A5A420AF4F42A87@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <3652E16C8DF5458ABDD4D14CF2537C0A@AGB> <004a01c8eb5e$f72eed00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <18E35B939E2A4A418472A930207A288D@AGB> <001701c8ed07$d9f49d20$0900a8c0@AM> <010701c8ed0d$cca5b9f0$e8bef159@traceydlqceh0p> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:59:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ..... I'm not sure , I dont think it will make enough drive on 500 .. but its a possibility ? its a un tuned oscillator with a EF50 , working into a rf choke , tnx - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tracey Gardner" Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:48 PM To: Subject: LF: Re: Re: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , > >> Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , >> >> Pref round 502 KHz , fundamental, needs to be a 'big' one , for a >> valve >> oscillator ! >> >> I assume hc6u would be ok or bigger , these look to be the right type ! >> >> http://hipme.com/weblogs/wa5znu/20050302210827/xtals.jpg >> >> Tnx - G .. >> > > > Surplus Sales of Nebraska have some 251kHz xtals if that would be of any > use? > > http://www.surplussales.com/Crystals/Crystals-1.html > > 73s Tracey G5VU > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: > 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 13:31 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA011-a8a48847afd2da; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:03:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA092-a8a48847afd2da; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:03:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKu6Y-0004d3-Ot for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:03:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKu6Y-0004cu-B0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:03:02 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKu6V-0003Qa-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:03:02 +0100 X-Trace: 46838541/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.119.154 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.119.154 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAJcXhEhYanea/2dsb2JhbACDXYgKoV8D X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,223,1215385200"; d="scan'208";a="46838541" Received: from 88-106-119-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.119.154]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2008 13:02:51 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:02:51 +0100 Message-ID: <002901c8eb29$b39ce6d0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcjrJXIPRmFcSy7ZTSqVK4AqeguEAgAA4ajA X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080720-0, 20/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + Andy, LF, You wrote :- "Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre line but at right angles to each other so there should be no coupling between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original value." I have been pondering about something similar as I have problems remotely rotating yet another antenna. My idea is to make the loops in the same way as you describe but feed the 2 loops to the two inputs of a balanced pre-amp like the G3LNP loop pre-amp shown in the "LF Experimenters Handbook" What are your thoughts on that please. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 21 July 2008 12:30 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Loop Conundrum Was pondering this while out walking the other day, and couldn't come to a satisfactory conclusion either way... A small magnetic loop mounted vertically has a defined radiation resistance that is a function of its diameter, a loss that is function of its conductor and hence a loss or efficiency that is the ratio of the two. It is resonated with a good quality vacuum capacitor, and fed/matched by any suitable metrhod. Lets also leave aside all the myth and folklore about small loops, and also ignore the environment for now. It also as a radiation pattern with nulls. Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. BUT... What is the resulting change in efficiency? Argument 1: Two identical loops = two times the loss R, but also two times the radiation resistance (since they don't couple) so net efficiency remains the same. Argument 2 : Chu-Harrington relates efficiency / Q / bandwidth / volume enclosed. Therefore, as the enclosed volume has increased, the effciency ought to rise. Both arguments developed little side trendrils & thoughts as I walked and pondered, and both appear valid in their own way. So the floor is open for discussion :- And where does the net radiation pattern fit into the equation? Does it, at all ? -- Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt ps. Fascinating paper on EMP btw. - I was up way past midnight last night reading it. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD063-901488481d6363; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:32:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD051-901488481d6363; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:32:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKuYQ-00051F-L9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:31:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKuYQ-000516-4u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:31:50 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKuYM-0002IK-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:31:50 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC157B8E8C for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:31:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B68CF3863 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:31:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319B4F3862 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:31:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id AA2E0514E; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:41:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 150.84-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (150.84-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.200.84.150]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:41:14 +0200 Message-ID: <20080721144114.u8c5gh5peug0owgs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:41:14 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.200.84.150 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Quoting Andy Talbot : > Was pondering this while out walking the other day, and couldn't come > to a satisfactory conclusion either way... > > A small magnetic loop mounted vertically has a defined radiation > resistance that is a function of its diameter, a loss that is function > of its conductor and hence a loss or efficiency that is the ratio of > the two. It is resonated with a good quality vacuum capacitor, and > fed/matched by any suitable metrhod. Lets also leave aside all the > myth and folklore about small loops, and also ignore the environment > for now. It also as a radiation pattern with nulls. > > Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre > line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling > between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and > resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original > value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled > in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. > > BUT... > What is the resulting change in efficiency? > > Argument 1: > Two identical loops =3D two times the loss R, but also two times the > radiation resistance (since they don't couple) so net efficiency > remains the same. > > Argument 2 : > Chu-Harrington relates efficiency / Q / bandwidth / volume enclosed. > Therefore, as the enclosed volume has increased, the effciency ought > to rise. > > Both arguments developed little side trendrils & thoughts as I walked > and pondered, and both appear valid in their own way. So > the floor is open for discussion :- > > And where does the net radiation pattern fit into the equation? Does > it, at all ? > -- > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > Another 2 cent (or 2 penny): I just simulated the antenna as described by Andy with Mmana_gal: - The radiation pattern is (almost) omnidirectional. - The radiation resistance doubles compared to a single loop. But as =20 you use the double amount of wire (=3D double losses) efficiency will be =20 about the same I guess. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T and compred it to a single loop Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD053-b76488109b03cd; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:23:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD048-b76488109b03cd; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:22:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJxPb-0006UA-4T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:22:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJxPa-0006U1-Ma for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:22:46 +0100 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.158] helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJxPX-0007xH-Mt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:22:46 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6B5491C000E4 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:22:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.91.118]) by mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 07E711C000E1 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:22:33 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080718212234324.07E711C000E1@mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <8A169208B0284AE7BF5AF7CC3797756A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:22:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.560 Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n > If a radio amateur gets c.o.n.f.u.s.e.d over resistors perhaps he is > better suited to the internet and a mobile phone. > de G3KEV At Last ,,,, now we know why we have so many posts over the internet ! -------------------------------------------------- From: "mal hamilton" Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:22 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM > How about all the different weights and measures used throughout the world > plus the different currencies. The majority of countries do not use the > metric system, not even in some parts of EU. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:37 PM > Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM > > >>> Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the >>> traditional squiggle for a resistor. >> >> Using different names, symbols or abbreviations can lead to confusion >> and thus errors. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD >> >> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm >> >> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: > 270.5.1/1560 - Release Date: 7/18/2008 06:47 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD072-b9048777f6f64; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:43:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD082-b9048777f6f64; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:42:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KHKkj-0002Tm-Jw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:41:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KHKkj-0002Td-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:41:45 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-2.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.232] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KHKkg-0004v7-7Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:41:45 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Apo4ACgcd0hOlUr2PGdsb2JhbAATgi0zgWeDYgyBSgqIAgEBAQEtkVGLEA Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.74.246]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 16:41:33 +0100 Message-ID: <004c01c8e36c$99bef1a0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:41:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C8E374.FB370E60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C8E374.FB370E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It looks like LF/MF has died in the UK and the rest of EU. There has never been more than 5 dedicatred CW operators interested in havin= g a QSO that has now almost fizzled out. 500 khz has never really been a starter. The only current activity seems to be Beacon mode on 505 khz but that adds l= ittle to the band because there are already hundreds of beacons active to ch= oose from if one is interested in world wide propagation tests.=20 de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C8E374.FB370E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It looks like LF/MF has died in the&nb= sp;UK=20 and the rest of EU.
There has never been more than 5 dedicatred= CW=20 operators interested in having a QSO that has now almost fizzled=20 out.
500 khz has never really been a=20 starter.
The only current activity seems to be Beaco= n mode=20 on 505 khz but that adds little to the band because there are already hundre= ds=20 of beacons active to choose from if one is interested in world wide propagat= ion=20 tests.
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C8E374.FB370E60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME091-9d2487e5c581ea; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:39:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME086-9d2487e5c581ea; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:38:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJDlg-0007Kb-LE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:38:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJDlf-0007KS-Vv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:38:32 +0100 Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.204]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJDld-0006Ks-E4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:38:31 +0100 Received: from GandalfG8@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id l.c0e.370c4fbd (42808) for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:38:18 -0400 (EDT) From: GandalfG8@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:38:17 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.710,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1216240697" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + -------------------------------1216240697 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 16/07/2008 21:07:05 GMT Daylight Time, jwgould@iee.org writes: I've not got an axe to grind re RadCom, but is the lack of major construction projects in RadCom more to do with there being less people doing the larger scale design/construction projects as well as being motivated to write it up for RadCom? ---------------------- The use of internet groups to encourage cooperative design, both hardware and software, has led to a real time project structure that doesn't necessarily lend itself to the monthly magazine publishing schedule. This of course does not only affect RadCom but, unfortunately, RadCom as a serious technical publication started to lose credibility when a recent past editor attempted to turn it into something more akin to Women's Weekly, with his requesting accounts of radio amateur romances on one occasion, whilst dwelling more on his own interviews with radio "personalities" than matters radio, which it would seem he didn't really understand. Whilst I don't suppose many tears were shed at his departure it doesn't seem to me the RSGB has done the reputation of RadCom any more favours by employing Elaine Richards in a similar position. Especially when one considers that not very long ago she was suggesting through the pages of her radio comic that reports on any form of radio activity, legal or otherwise, would be welcomed. If RadCom is taken to be the "shop window" for the RSGB in general, then perhaps it's time to ask what it is they think they're offering us for our money. For RadCom to be seriously considered as a technical publication again it will be necessary to leave editorial control with those who have real technical ability and not just scrape the barrel for anyone with prior magazine experience. regards Nigel GM8PZR -------------------------------1216240697 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 16/07/2008 21:07:05 GMT Daylight Time, jwgould@iee.o= rg=20 writes:
I'= ve not got an axe to grind re RadCom,=20 but is the lack of major construction projects in RadCom mo= re=20 to do with there being less people doing the larger=20 scale design/construction projects as well as being motivated to= =20 write it up for RadCom? 
----------------------
 
The use of internet groups to encourage cooperative design, both hardwa= re=20 and software, has led to a real time project structure that=20 doesn't necessarily lend itself to the monthly magazine publishing=20 schedule.
 
This of course does not only affect RadCom but, unfortunately, Rad= Com=20 as a serious technical publication started to lose credibility when a recent= =20 past editor attempted to turn it into something more akin to Women's=20 Weekly, with his requesting accounts of radio amateur romances on one=20 occasion, whilst dwelling more on his own interviews with radio=20 "personalities" than matters radio, which it would seem he didn't really=20 understand.
 
Whilst I don't suppose many tears were shed at his departure it doesn't= =20 seem to me the RSGB has done the reputation of RadCom any more favours by=20 employing Elaine Richards in a similar position.
Especially when one considers that not very long ago she was=20 suggesting through the pages of her radio comic that reports on any form of=20 radio activity, legal or otherwise, would be welcomed.
 
If RadCom is taken to be the "shop window" for the RSGB in=20 general, then perhaps it's time to ask what it is they think=20 they're offering us for our money.
 
For RadCom to be seriously considered as a technical publicat= ion=20 again it will be necessary to leave editorial control with those who=20 have real technical ability and not just scrape the barrel=20 for anyone with prior magazine experience.
 
regards
 
Nigel
GM8PZR
 -------------------------------1216240697-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (rly-ma09.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.53]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA043-8cc486a790e79; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:36:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA096-8cc486a790e79; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:36:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KDkhb-0000Aw-NP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:35:43 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KDkhb-0000An-Af for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:35:43 +0100 Received: from smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.46]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KDkhY-000632-CX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:35:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 40443 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2008 18:35:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sArgDM3GfJYoTmgs87ffbuR9eh/RINCJKMUkzUXvWSMJJ6W9tHCyfB2winDV8Nm1pEg7g3vlIGgbvGaX+CkC/vGp1eyvLd4dxsG/qqFFZiCaZ06OybmH8ty0MWiNtMuonXeX1NtiUx8YzFreOYRNaUMs1Ubk/q/0Gz0uv9ZKAFw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.105?) (we0h@75.168.144.207 with plain) by smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2008 18:35:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <486A78F4.7030500@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:35:32 -0500 From: Mike WE0H User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000501c8dba6$62a03620$0301a8c0@g3kev> In-Reply-To: <000501c8dba6$62a03620$0301a8c0@g3kev> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879 Subject: Re: LF: 6 - 600m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) 600 meters has been busy over this side of the pond. Low noise the past few days/nights. Good propagation. Mike WE0H WD2XSH/16 mal wrote: > Hi all > 600 m nil > 6m wide open all around EU and Russia. Lots of sporadic E > Some SSB and lots of CW > De Mal/G3KEV > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDA031-a71488995b815b; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:58:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA061-a71488995b815b; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:58:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KMJ7e-0006Ql-8j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:57:58 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KMJ7d-0006Qc-UA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:57:57 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.64]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KMJ7a-0003uK-OB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C8EE65.5B26B4B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (rly-ma09.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.53]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA023-8cb4880a386334; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:07:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA095-8cb4880a386334; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:07:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJqbG-0003sO-GS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:06:22 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJqbF-0003sF-Ta for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:06:21 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.148]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJqbD-0008U7-9E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:06:21 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so129831qwf.16 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:06:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=4+eYiZ3G3XJLTHhGVM/xGqgDtPUzFQt2zUHr2kYWmdc=; b=pa5iNjulZRgrcb+0mTIzqvUAqXPM6NdZllchF63YdvCLooKzazLHO6ibrG+XkeFBB6 xfO9oA98e1P4r62tiXr6XL1XvipiN2sB8BCyKGlw/kkg8lxohB30bKeQx/gfb9BIs5l4 SMBlbgXeKHigNDgGGjnA4X8OmGIY3UiSx56D0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=L4tIWahGtqcdtl95CXuOqVfpHhMq6s0RteduAVdHeWGAfHLrIVlTbmMQEqauDKU4Dq Q1ZskSTArHUerJXCH5xD0jqNrCxH5+kmIQaxJuNm86tEAetHsZaLqJFyPgjYU93ZuRdZ lr0ipQE3NnhWX63iL233HShgiyANQU7dENp2Q= Received: by 10.151.114.6 with SMTP id r6mr254966ybm.181.1216389975821; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.50.21 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:06:15 +0100 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) EXcuse me- The only country that doesn't oficially use the Metric system is the USA, along with two tiny ones whose names don't come to mind. And look what not using it cost the Nasa space programme! I like the term "badvertising" seen in this months mag. Postings like these come firmly into that category when seen by outsiders. Andy G4JNT 2008/7/18 mal hamilton : > How about all the different weights and measures used throughout the world > plus the different currencies. The majority of countries do not use the > metric system, not even in some parts of EU. > If a radio amateur gets confused over resistors perhaps he is better suited > to the internet and a mobile phone. > de G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" > > To: > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:37 PM > Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM > > >>> Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the >>> traditional squiggle for a resistor. >> >> Using different names, symbols or abbreviations can lead to confusion and >> thus errors. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD >> >> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm >> >> > > > -- Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA022-a71487a7d56a0; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:10:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA061-a71487a7d56a0; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:10:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KI9lN-0007ks-01 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:09:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KI9lM-0007kj-Gu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:09:48 +0100 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KI9lI-0003F7-V5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:09:48 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.188) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.3.129) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4873C983000ECDAE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:09:37 +0200 Message-ID: <487A7D23.5010402@telia.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:09:39 +0200 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c8e513$e3173f30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <001101c8e513$e3173f30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal, try http://www.amsat.org 73 Johan SM6LKM mal hamilton wrote: > I have not seen any mention of satellite acty in Radcom for a long time, > has this also fizzled out. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (rly-ma01.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.44]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA101-88a487cefca3c8; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:43:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA014-88a487cefca3c8; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:43:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KIpUa-0005jZ-As for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:43:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KIpUZ-0005jQ-Tq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:43:15 +0100 Received: from smtp113.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.84.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KIpUZ-0005qm-If for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:43:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 46842 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2008 18:43:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=FYPmK6YXfKGCX4Lp2XS7kvGPv9iafateUkYU80aimp4N5jBxPKQFjH7NGoTaVes3fbfFhSvRFrtJzphj2/gW92Ntwim7iUvFLvMiypWcK5FBjboIUH+ndM3fl1kR8y5qowdCHapohcf5Ls6HM3bz9su81TFZByfpttqJz6Lw3hM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@btinternet.com@86.134.102.178 with login) by smtp113.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2008 18:43:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xYp5zJgVM1mPWG_hl_ZQzpHUrqPmiRLxYtMbHmcn4j3RQkgoBSUBdZNM5JiPX0jMpg1SOq6SldzC6ShsrvvG2ue.FxyAR_7DXkc9T9ArSHKsXbz07cyntWBA..15c61IAd7y0zbqGXc47BUOy3ha7QhN X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <004401c8e6aa$9cf01e30$0401a8c0@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:43:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C8E6B2.FD8F4010" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C8E6B2.FD8F4010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chris. Congratulations on your 500th 500kHz QSO, thank you for all the help and adv= ice you have given me. 73. Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Osborn=20 To: LF Group=20 Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO LF / MF There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz today permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band. Stations worked:- 496 G3DXZ =20 497 G3UNT =20 498 G3ZWH =20 499 M0FMT =20 500 G3XPU =20 73 Chris G3XIZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Not happy with your email address?=20 Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available no= w at Yahoo! ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C8E6B2.FD8F4010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Chris.
Congratulations on your 500th 500kHz QSO, t= hank you=20 for all the help and advice you have given me.
 
73.
 
Ken  M0KHW
 
----- Original Message -----
Chris Osbor= n=20
To: LF Group
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:25 PM=
Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO

LF / MF

There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz=20 today
permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band.

Stati= ons=20 worked:-

496  G3DXZ 
497  G3UNT 
498&nb= sp;=20 G3ZWH 
499  M0FMT 
500  G3XPU =20

73
Chris G3XIZ

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------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C8E6B2.FD8F4010-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df01.mx.aol.com (rly-df01.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.14]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF031-5254884b3712bd; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:04:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF012-5254884b3712bd; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:04:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKxrI-0005yQ-Gl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:03:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKxrH-0005yH-V7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:03:32 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKxrD-0003zL-QO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:03:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 5864 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 16:03:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=1sfplrsQAl65F8Lhmzqqsq2lZwKIYDzJy5agYg24O/hnxH39SBWDKtY59VMMhPA0lzyBYhc4ZFPg/qBLVNiI+Lrszqu4aQFL9797lDM39mluZWFs+FXbvE5qXB5gKvJ8JU4iz9lluMXkiG8C9r08X9qeb4MZnzPpizoRaPiulzY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@btinternet.com@86.128.241.4 with login) by smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 16:03:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zYE6oFsVM1lPgxtDcdHv5Eq5yoQyPn2T4fsN9Wy7im7yWnkp25AwTbvrxitZ52eP8Ykt7SJy_3FrZ_Sje.H.lDTjsYemSKXA4XOhsT1_5FneDTxy_G2jknZyFvstj917b3Na6MHVifqFerNX0g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:03:21 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c8eb4b$4d086710$a402a8c0@Inspiron> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcjrJS9NoUHyOKH/QUWbt32glR00ngAHU4cg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi Andy, Interesting conundrum that had me scratching my head. These are the conclusions I've come to. Firstly the efficiency has nothing to do with the radiation pattern as you suggest. Since you are now filling in the nulls with radiation; this will steal radiation from the lobes of the single loop system. IE The net radiated power is the same, but the peak field strength has reduced (by say 3dB). Secondly for a small loop you must phase each loop at 90 degrees to obtain the desired omni-directional pattern, as suggested by DJ1ZB. Thirdly the efficiency should be the same as a single loop if you feed them in series or in parallel with 90 degree phase shift. So far it appears that Argument 1 is holding up. Not being conversant with the works of Argument 2 all I can suggest here is that the efficiency does not increase since only one loop is giving it's full radiation every 90 degrees with the other loop contributing nothing. Since the phasing will split power evenly between the 2 loops. Net result same efficiency, hence the Argument 2 model is actually a single loop. Finally since the world is never perfect some loss will occur in the 90 degree phasing so the answer as I see it is the same efficiency as a single loop less the efficiency of the phasing required to feed both loops to give you an omni-direction pattern. 73, Lee M0LMH. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 21 July 2008 12:30 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Loop Conundrum Was pondering this while out walking the other day, and couldn't come to a satisfactory conclusion either way... A small magnetic loop mounted vertically has a defined radiation resistance that is a function of its diameter, a loss that is function of its conductor and hence a loss or efficiency that is the ratio of the two. It is resonated with a good quality vacuum capacitor, and fed/matched by any suitable metrhod. Lets also leave aside all the myth and folklore about small loops, and also ignore the environment for now. It also as a radiation pattern with nulls. Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. BUT... What is the resulting change in efficiency? Argument 1: Two identical loops = two times the loss R, but also two times the radiation resistance (since they don't couple) so net efficiency remains the same. Argument 2 : Chu-Harrington relates efficiency / Q / bandwidth / volume enclosed. Therefore, as the enclosed volume has increased, the effciency ought to rise. Both arguments developed little side trendrils & thoughts as I walked and pondered, and both appear valid in their own way. So the floor is open for discussion :- And where does the net radiation pattern fit into the equation? Does it, at all ? -- Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt ps. Fascinating paper on EMP btw. - I was up way past midnight last night reading it. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12:59 PM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD104-91a48848f28328; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:29:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD082-91a48848f28328; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:29:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKvRj-0005HE-W5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:28:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKvRj-0005H5-KZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:28:59 +0100 Received: from mserv4.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.76.223]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKvRg-0004Kp-6G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:28:59 +0100 Received: from dexbr1.ds.leeds.ac.uk (dexbr1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.19]) by mserv4.leeds.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m6LDSmjB004701 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:28:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from HERMES4.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.5.129]) by dexbr1.ds.leeds.ac.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:28:44 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:28:45 +0100 Message-ID: <731EB49F88B309428FFDDD2423F810E42BBC28@HERMES4.ds.leeds.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <48848B4B.3070401@w1tag.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: Loop Conundrum Thread-Index: AcjrNA5ormgz7c/qSpeFne3g6BA1dwAAaVOg From: "Chris Trayner" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2008 13:28:44.0985 (UTC) FILETIME=[B30D5A90:01C8EB35] X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: LF: Loop Conundrum X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) > Better yet, take a soccer ball and start winding wire around it until=20 you have completed a 90 degree arc on both sides. What's the resulting=20 pattern? I'd guess the sum of all the individual loops, which should be in their average direction, i.e. with the flux coming out of the middles of the remaining quarters not covered with wire.=20 So I'd guess that you'd have the same radiation pattern as a similar coil wound all in one plane. 73, Chris G4OKW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA092-a72488206f118d; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:23:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA062-a72488206f118d; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:23:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKEGI-0007wV-Dy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:22:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKEGH-0007wM-BJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:22:17 +0100 Received: from imo-m12.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.100] helo=imo-m12.mail.aol.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKEGE-0002Aq-2U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:22:17 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id l.c23.4042923d (37035) for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB025-90ab4882069b35e; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:22:03 -0400 Received: from webmail-stg-d05 (webmail-stg-d05.sim.aol.com [205.188.162.26]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.10) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA032-5c544882069134a; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:21:53 -0400 References: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:21:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g4gvw@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37668-STANDARD Received: from 92.8.27.112 by webmail-stg-d05.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.26) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:21:54 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAB7CA4F4C7152-970-2632@webmail-stg-d05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.110,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + I suspect, Nigel, that "modern" RADCOM reflects "modern" amateur radio=20 in many respects. Whilst acknowledging that the magazine/journal would=20 probably not exist without its advertising, that very advertising is a=20 reflection of what amateur radio is to many of its present day=20 adherents - "appliance operating"! In such an atmosphere and coupled with a younger generation who do not=20 even get a basic grounding in simple workshop techniques and practice=20 is it surprising that the glorious days of articles of quality in home=20 construction no longer appear to suit us "longer-in-the-tooth" types? Modern housing probably also contributes as it provides little room for=20 a space in which to indulge a little messy chassis-bashing and the=20 smoke detectors widely-fitted tend not to be too sympathetic to solder=20 fumes emanating from the cupboard under the stairs. I know a number of local amateurs who have never constructed anything=20 and are probably never likely to do so, preferring to invest their time=20 operating expensive boxes and comparing notes about whose is biggest=20 etc. One in particular was so desperate to work the Antipodes that he just=20 kept on spending until he managed it. It might be that the "amateur radio industry" finds it a profitable=20 strategy to discourage home construction but then again I might be=20 accused by some of cynicism. 73 de Pat g4gvw QTH Near FELIXSTOWE, UK Thought for today: In the race of life p ut a few quid on the nag called "Self-Interest" -=20 He'll always be in there trying hard ! -----Original Message----- From: GandalfG8@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:38 Subject: Re: LF: satellites In a message dated 16/07/2008 21:07:05 GMT Daylight Time,=20 jwgould@iee.org writes: I've not got an axe to grind re RadCom, but=C2=A0is=C2=A0the lack of major construction projects in RadCom=C2=A0mo= re to do with there being less people doing=C2=A0the larger scale=C2=A0design/construction projects as well as=C2=A0being motivated to write it up for RadCom?=C2=A0 ---------------------- =C2=A0 The use of internet groups to encourage cooperative design, both=20 hardware and software, has led to a real time project structure that doesn't=C2=A0necessarily lend itself to the monthly magazine publishing schedule. =C2=A0 This of course does not=C2=A0only affect RadCom but, unfortunately, RadCom as a serious technical publication started to lose credibility when a=20 recent past editor attempted to turn it into something more akin to=C2=A0Women's Weekly, with his=C2=A0requesting accounts of radio amateur romances on one occasion,=C2=A0whilst dwelling more on his own interviews with radio "personalities" than matters radio, which it would seem he didn't=20 really understand. =C2=A0 Whilst I20don't suppose many tears were shed at his departure it doesn't seem to me the RSGB has done the reputation of RadCom any more favours=20 by employing Elaine Richards in a similar position. Especially when=C2=A0one considers that not very long ago she was suggesting through the pages of her radio comic that reports on any=20 form of radio activity, legal or otherwise,=C2=A0would be welcomed. =C2=A0 If RadCom is=C2=A0taken to be the "shop window"=C2=A0for the RSGB in general, then=C2=A0perhaps it's time to ask what it is they think they're=C2=A0offering us for our money. =C2=A0 For=C2=A0RadCom to be seriously considered as a technical=C2=A0publication again=C2=A0it will be necessary to leave editorial control with those who have=C2=A0real technical ability and=C2=A0not just scrape the barrel for=C2=A0anyone with prior magazine experience. =C2=A0 regards =C2=A0 Nigel GM8PZR ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the=20 move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG064-a2d48809c75293; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:37:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG087-a2d48809c75293; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:36:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJq8T-0003jQ-GD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:36:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJq8T-0003jH-3E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:36:37 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-4.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.234] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJq8Q-0002KZ-C0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:36:37 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAKg4gEhOkJ5h/2dsb2JhbACEW6pd Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.158.97]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 14:36:21 +0100 Message-ID: <002701c8e8db$44cac380$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:36:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AMATEUR_PORN=1.473 Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Douglas Bader RAF pilot was flying spitfires during the last war without LEGS, also a wireless operator on a Lincoln bomber used his foot to send morse, after his hands were injured with burning oil. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Towers" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:09 PM Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM > The argument was instigated by a G3 as well!!!A CW enthusiast no doubt, > and one of Mals "old school real amateurs"?. > > Sorry Mal but digital modes are useful to those of us with impairments > that prevent us from having, obtaining or achieving a "CW fist. > > So stop this "real radio amateur" and "CW only" crap and allow us to enjoy > the hobby in a way that we enjoy, to the best of our imperfect abilities. > 73 > dave > G8SZX Glenfield Leicester IO92jp > webpage > www.g8szx.mediumwaveradio.org > > > mal hamilton wrote: >> >> Latest copy. >> In depth discussion about how a resistor should be represented on a cct >> diagram. >> Boxes or squiggles !!!!!!!! >> Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the >> traditional squiggle for a resistor. It seem some so called >> designers/engineerts and others have nothing better to do than dream up >> changes which are not necessary. >> Also, how did we all manage in the heyday of HF radio with analogue >> systems, not a DIGI in sight, the world still kept spinning. >> How about some good RF enigneering and less DC building blocks. >> It is more challenging to use an old basic rig, ie Collins, Drake etc and >> enjoy natural communications methods like CW and VOICE (AM or SSB). >> No complicated digital modes are necessary, just a steady sound CW fist, >> good symetrical ears and for some elecution lessons !! >> de G3KEV >> This message has been processed by Firetrust Benign >> . > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME103-9a44877a58a37e; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:25:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME028-9a44877a58a37e; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:25:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KHNIj-0002pC-BL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:25:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KHNIi-0002p3-Vw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:25:00 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KHNIf-0004b9-KM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:25:00 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtVfAOlBd0hOlM8gPGdsb2JhbAATgi8xgWeDbiOBJwqIAgEBAQEtV5FDiws Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.207.32]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 19:24:50 +0100 Message-ID: <006901c8e383$696fba90$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:24:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01C8E38B.CAB83BD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C8E38B.CAB83BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As far as I am aware the only sts active in CW QSO mode at present are G3ZWH= , G3XIZ and G3KEV. The odd time G3DXZ and G3UNT appear.=20 de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C8E38B.CAB83BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As far as I am aware the only sts active in= =20 CW QSO mode at present are G3ZWH, G3XIZ and G3KEV. The odd time G3DXZ a= nd=20 G3UNT appear.
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C8E38B.CAB83BD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de12.mx.aol.com (rly-de12.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.148]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE024-521488324401ed; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:41:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de12.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE128-521488324401ed; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:40:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKXGd-0001lQ-I8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:39:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKXGd-0001lH-30 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:39:55 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKXGa-0002aa-OX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:39:55 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApUFALTAgkhUDWSH/2dsb2JhbAATgi0ygWqFQwqZKolq Received: from host-84-13-100-135.opaltelecom.net.100.13.84.in-addr.arpa (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([84.13.100.135]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 12:39:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c8ea5d$4f638740$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:39:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 600 es 6 m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8EA65.B0E05EF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8EA65.B0E05EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some acty this morning on 600m cw, worked G3DXZ and G3XIZ, both good signals= . I can also hear daily the beacons thrashing away on 505 khz. 6m is also open, and its hard to believe some countries are still using TV o= n 50 Mhz. Some strong tv signals at present. G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8EA65.B0E05EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some acty this morning on 600m cw, worked G= 3DXZ and=20 G3XIZ, both good signals. I can also hear daily the beacons thrashing away o= n=20 505 khz.
6m is also open, and its hard to believe so= me=20 countries are still using TV on 50 Mhz. Some strong tv  signals at= =20 present.
G3KEV
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8EA65.B0E05EF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (rly-mf03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.173]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF104-94f486f47c631c; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:07:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF035-94f486f47c631c; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:07:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KF4f0-00006h-87 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:06:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KF4ez-00006Y-KU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:06:29 +0100 Received: from simone.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.77]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KF4ew-0004X1-8V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:06:29 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by simone.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m65A6G9j000487 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 07:36:19 -0230 Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 07:36:16 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <008f01c8de69$65395e50$7c7ba8c0@ACER> Message-ID: References: <008f01c8de69$65395e50$7c7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.608,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): captvo1na0507.jpg Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Henny, Victor and group, Considering we are now in summer, the copies of the signals are very impressive! It's amazing that such weak signals can be received in the QRM and QRN. The TX will continue on 187.37475 kHz. 73 Joe On Sat, 5 Jul 2008, henny van elst wrote: > hi joe, > > the same capture with speclab, > best 73s > henny cpm > > > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: > captvo1na0507.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh02.mx.aol.com (rly-mh02.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.138]) by air-mh05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH053-bbb48812909bb; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:36:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH023-bbb48812909bb; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:36:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJzUp-0006u1-2I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:36:19 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJzUo-0006ts-FY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:36:18 +0100 Received: from web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.124]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJzUo-0004Iw-A2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:36:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 85115 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2008 23:36:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ycwZoTVUVUtshGsDAjSevOX38FyhDwmn8tpITYMcO8fjeQiK2KwAJoWcTHCwOZsIK5Fal0RZZcO8VT/icsozuha063BbHWMz975hoExNW5mm2b0n1iEaqezXWvoThaCwo1OHytKRxlgGIJKV0ANHY26UCbVItDQ1wWxC+Smo6aw=; Received: from [86.137.240.56] by web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:36:06 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:36:06 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <2ED95B571DC240FF89CB8D16A69AF751@DennisPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <246799.84347.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: GL WID UR 500Kc/s NoV application.... RADCOM - CONSTRUCTIONAL ITEMS AND ALL THAT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-533358491-1216424166=:84347" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n --0-533358491-1216424166=:84347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dennis Good luck=C2=A0with your 500Kc/s NoV application. I look forward to working=20= you on the band shortly. It is rather sparsely populated at the moment altho= ugh Chris XIZ manages to conjure up loads of contacts.=20 I wonder how many 500kc/s NoVs have been issued this year ? 73 Petefmt --- On Fri, 18/7/08, DENNIS EASTERLING wr= ote: From: DENNIS EASTERLING Subject: LF: RADCOM - CONSTRUCTIONAL ITEMS AND ALL THAT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 18 July, 2008, 5:11 PM As a very new member of the group, still awaiting my NOV to transmit on 500=20= kHz and struggling with my morse, I hesitate to take issue with the big boys= , but here goes.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sneers against the new 'Radcom' editor and the comic, which I take to mean '= Practical Wireless' and its associated publications are unworthy.=C2=A0=C2= =A0 When I joined the RSGB three years ago, I was initially disappointed wit= h 'Radcom' which seem to have limited content and lacked style.=C2=A0=C2=A0=20= Under the new editor, the style has improved enormously and the contents are= generally well balanced.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Of course, many of us we would like to= see more constructional items and news of=C2=A0exciting research, but as G3= WKL pointed out, this depends on those actively involved producing the neces= sary articles.=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 G3LDO hesitated to write up his experiences as old hat, but as a newcomer, I= would have welcomed his article, as I appear to be struggling along similar= lines.=C2=A0 While we wait for a clever amateur to come up with a super 600= m band antenna three feet long,=C2=A0nailed to the end of the shack and capa= ble of world wide DX, those of us with 10m square gardens or less must conti= ue with solutions similar to Peter's. =C2=A0 As far as PW is concerned, it has kept going over the years and won many fri= ends, including myself.=C2=A0=C2=A0 From the earliest days to the present ti= me it has been=C2=A0one of the few=C2=A0windows on the world of amateur radi= o, raising interest in old and young, something we still surely need. =C2=A0 Phew! I fell better to have got that off my chest. =C2=A0 73s Dennis M0JXM __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now=20= at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html --0-533358491-1216424166=:84347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dennis

Good luck with your 500Kc/s NoV application. I look forward to wo= rking you on the band shortly. It is rather sparsely populated at the moment= although Chris XIZ manages to conjure up loads of contacts.

I wonder how many 500kc/s NoVs have been issued this year ?

73 Petefmt



--- On Fri, 18/7/08, DENNIS EASTERLING= <dennis.easterling@btinternet.com> wrote:
From: DENNIS EASTERLING <dennis.easterling@btinterne= t.com>
Subject: LF: RADCOM - CONSTRUCTIONAL ITEMS AND ALL THAT
To:=20= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Friday, 18 July, 2008, 5:11 PM

As a very new member of the group, still aw= aiting my NOV to transmit on 500 kHz and struggling with my morse, I hesitat= e to take issue with the big boys, but here goes.   
 
Sneers against the new 'Radcom' editor and=20= the comic, which I take to mean 'Practical Wireless' and its associated publ= ications are unworthy.   When I joined the RSGB three years ago, I= was initially disappointed with 'Radcom' which seem to have limited content= and lacked style.   Under the new editor, the style has improved=20= enormously and the contents are generally well balanced.   Of cour= se, many of us we would like to see more constructional items and news of&nb= sp;exciting research, but as G3WKL pointed out, this depends on those active= ly involved producing the necessary articles. 
&= nbsp;
G3LDO hesitated to write up his experiences= as old hat, but as a newcomer, I would have welcomed his article, as I appe= ar to be struggling along similar lines.  While we wait for a clever am= ateur to come up with a super 600m band antenna three feet long, nailed= to the end of the shack and capable of world wide DX, those of us with 10m=20= square gardens or less must contiue with solutions similar to Peter's.
 
As far as PW is concerned, it has kept goin= g over the years and won many friends, including myself.   From th= e earliest days to the present time it has been one of the few win= dows on the world of amateur radio, raising interest in old and young, somet= hing we still surely need.
 
Phew! I fell better to have got that off my= chest.
 
73s Dennis M0JXM

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Get the one you=20 really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! --0-533358491-1216424166=:84347-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME071-9c548820ee599; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:57:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME071-9c548820ee599; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:57:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKEo0-00083h-VE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKEo0-00083Y-Gm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:08 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-2.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.232] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKEnw-00070U-VD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:08 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEAKurgUhOlrtA/2dsb2JhbAATgi0ygWqFQgqYe4pQ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.187.64]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 19 Jul 2008 16:56:53 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01c8e9b8$11971f30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:56:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8E9C0.731B22D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8E9C0.731B22D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I suppose RADCOM suits the Appliance Operator but not the discerning Radio A= mateur. This is the conclusion to which I am drawn after reading recent post= ings on the reflector. de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8E9C0.731B22D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I suppose RADCOM suits the Appliance Operat= or but=20 not the discerning Radio Amateur. This is the conclusion to which I am drawn= =20 after reading recent postings on the reflector.
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8E9C0.731B22D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD072-90c4883600c3a0; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:56:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD064-90c4883600c3a0; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:55:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKbG5-0002Cf-HW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:55:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKbG4-0002CW-Sa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:55:36 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-1.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.231] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKbG1-0004Bn-D0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:55:36 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAD/8gkhOlHJS/2dsb2JhbACEXKhL Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.114.82]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 16:55:25 +0100 Message-ID: <001601c8ea81$06520b20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:55:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n When the big BANG comes you will regret not having learned about VALVES/TUBES and how to use them. These have a good chance of survival when all the chips have FRIED and being able to use a morse key a bonus. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:24 AM Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom > Two pijnts... > 1) Satellites > Having just joined Amsat (because I felt I 'ought' to) I'm less than > impressed with a) Oscar News which has had no technical content in the > two issues so far received, and b) The Amsat -UK web site. In spite > of supposed to being able to log in I can't after several requests. > Seems there is nothing there anyway > So all in all, don't look to much from the UK Am satellite scene. > > 2) Constructional articles > Radcom is always looking out for things. My new column can continue > based on years of my own-experimentation and building in quintillions > of different subject areas from DC to pink light, digits and analogue, > but I would like input from others. Anything that isn't yet another > wire antenna or a new H-Mode mixer, and certainly no valves would be > welcome; mid-range to upper end technology is preferred using > modern(ish, in amateur terms) devices. Don't want to cover simple > basics, that is best left to Eamon and Ian in their columns. > > Waiting... > > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-9a7488588ac2be; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:14:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME033-9a7488588ac2be; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:13:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KLC2D-0007Ab-De for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:11:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KLC2A-0007AS-FH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:11:42 +0100 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com ([192.93.164.30] helo=CRAWSMAIL2.uk.thalesgroup.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KLC27-0001N8-AM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:11:42 +0100 Received: from crawsmail2.uk.thalesgroup.com (mailsweeper2.int.rdel.co.uk) by CRAWSMAIL2.uk.thalesgroup.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.14) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:10:03 +0100 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com (lisc0022.int.rdel.co.uk) by crawsmail2.uk.thalesgroup.com (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:12:09 +0100 Received: from temps153538.tms-ltd.com ([193.150.182.142]) by mail.uk.thalesgroup.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m6M74qOl021506 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:05:08 +0100 Received: by temps153538.tms-ltd.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:11:16 +0100 Message-ID: <8E8D23D235D70840B6582917DF27898006935B97@temps153538.tms-ltd.com> From: Reeves Paul To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:11:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AMATEUR_PORN=1.473,AWL=-0.880,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: 500 khz TX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8EBCA.2114EDC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.5 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN,EXCUSE_16, HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EBCA.2114EDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Graham, Don't knock it - whatever might be thought of Mal's opinion of 'real amateurs' vs 'appliance operators' (and Mal is on record as having equipment of far eastern origin..) there is nothing wrong with his transmitted signal or his operating practice. The signal is clean and stable and the cw sounds ok to what is left of my hearing even though I have to use an 'appliance' to decode most of it! Paul G8GJA -----Original Message----- From: Graham [mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: 21 July 2008 17:45 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz TX From: mal hamilton ''''My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled components from the junk box.''''' G-I-G-O , proved once again, as we appliance users used to say , you couldn't make it up ! G .. This email, including any attachment, is a confidential communication intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. It contains information which is private and may be proprietary or covered by legal professional privilege. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender upon receipt, and immediately delete it from your system. 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Graham,
 
Don't=20 knock it - whatever might be thought of Mal's opinion of 'real amateurs'&nbs= p;=20 vs  'appliance operators' (and Mal is on record as having equipment of=20= far=20 eastern origin..) there is nothing wrong with his transmitted signal or his=20 operating practice. The signal is clean and stable and the cw sounds ok to w= hat=20 is left of my hearing even though I have to use an 'appliance' to decode mos= t of=20 it!
 
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''''My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled= =20 components from the junk box.'''''
 
 
G-I-G-O , proved once again, as we applia= nce=20 users used to say ,
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EBCA.2114EDC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA101-8ba4881b4472ce; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:30:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA074-8ba4881b4472ce; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:30:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KK8ls-0007dF-8c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:30:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KK8lr-0007d6-NW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:30:31 +0100 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.158]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KK8lo-000462-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:30:31 +0100 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so206895ywk.64 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:30:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dK4oKoywvwmisMmoHhZNX9eFH0wbLT9bkmX/2SKcCHc=; b=o8VhF1XM0Rj9DEd7WVu3CrcxLpIvixo88VtW3vYfCMI/uYOirH5kDFZjuO+RjC2/y7 8DOK6qACWaQxqpFHddf2gc25AKS9qMyoc0zYAwTijZV6wEllncFpJ6LVzCvGEIAnfzul tzpfKZJmo2vXL6PjyuEw1TkXJd86VNyWYo43c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=HoScSG+sSSRB8qXQezeAhVazaJ+tzQw0NeGM0Kl9KCcBJL/Fvvd52X+vguBwCzq7Fd 00MSTb/oNjAhDq0KESUENw5oUok8SKDZnygZ0ZAPdGOB5qG+fwee61Ijy2Gyg/Tpi9om 0ieqXTzZcohP9+RLjAmKIPmP4GlhpTCEbEm0s= Received: by 10.150.12.3 with SMTP id 3mr1218738ybl.18.1216459824635; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.50.21 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:30:24 +0000 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Rad Com / critical mass etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Not speculation, I've had several discussions with him on the subject, and my idea of Radcom going unstable had him quite amused. But it is a feedback situation, and as in all control systems, the wrong phase of feedback leads to instability or lockup. Probably the main reason that little gets sent in, is that for most people writing-up a project is a very major task, and with no apparant guarantee of publication there is no incentive. The other magazines are crying-out for articles of all types, and some regular authors (ahem!) have even been propositioned by them to write articles. There still is a Tech Committe who are supposed to vet Radcom articles. Unfortunately they are a bit of a bottleneck, and tend to strangle the technical editor, who has far more experience of what is best in the mag than they do. Andy 'JNT 2008/7/18 : > In a message dated 18/07/2008 19:56:24 GMT Standard Time, > andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com writes: > > That's because no one sends anything in !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > As I said in a previous posting a few months ago to one of the many > groups (microwaves, probably) - its positive feedback. People see > reduced technical content, assume RC are taking the stand > deliberately, so don't bother writing it up. Self perpetuating and > leading to instability, in this case probably a bistable stuck in the > '0' state. Your comments, Dave, are exactly what I was speculating > on. Did you ever phone the editor and discuss their requirements, > and whether thay'd be interested? I bet not. > > Thanks Andy > > In 2000, there was a Technical + publications sub-committee. They had > mountains of material with a year or so backlog of items that they were > interested in. A much larger pile that was not suitable. I respect your > opinions Andy as you are a regular and valued contributor, but Is your first > line speculation or fact? Is it that bad? > Actually the prolific chap currently in RadCom is Eamon EI9GQ. Items just > scattered in his column are deserving of a seperate article in themselves. > e.g. The 100 / 200W FET amplifier for 2m. > Can it be that a total absence of articles is the result of 8 years of time > passing. We're all a bit older, but we're still here. Also there are > affiliated groups with specific interests and magazines. Sprat for QRP, > scatterpoint for the microwave group. Surely things can be selected from > these for wider publication. It doesn't ring true. There are many sources > that can be trawlled for material...but that needs work, whereas cut and > paste fills the pages. > Oh well todays newspaper is tomorrows fish and chip wrapper. (sorry DX. > quaint old English practice) Saves filling up shelf space. > > But, I'll give them a call and quote your first line to the editor. > > 73 > > David -- Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db09.mx.aol.com (rly-db09.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.84]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDB032-ae94891d4ec1e1; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:06:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db09.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB097-ae94891d4ec1e1; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:06:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOZiQ-0006lc-7Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:05:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOZiP-0006lT-DA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:05:17 +0100 Received: from simone.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.77]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOZiM-00018r-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:05:17 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by simone.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6VF53aw032236 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:35:06 -0230 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:35:03 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000801c8f313$38a429b0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> Message-ID: References: <000801c8f313$38a429b0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.600,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Henny, LF Group. The beacon was switched off at 0230 to prevent damage from an electrical storm. It will resume operation this evening. Thank-you for monitoring my signals, Henny and others. Do your receptions coincide with off-times for the high power broadcast stations? Local reception tests were conducted earlier this month and it was noted that the beacon was audible at distances of 600 km in the daytime over a water path at 47 north. At higher latitudes (about 50-55N) Iceland on 189 kHz was quite strong and prevented aural reception of the beacon. What I found amazing was that this persisted even during the daytime. Shouldn't E-layer absorption preclude transatlantic LF propagation at high noon? There must be something else at play?! 73 Joe VO1NA On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, henny van elst wrote: > hi joe, > this time nothing seen, > best 73s > henny pa3cpm. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME072-9ac4883a5276b; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:51:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME038-9ac4883a5276b; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:50:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKfrN-00039k-J8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:50:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKfrN-00039b-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:50:25 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.52]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKfrJ-0005nQ-9w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:50:24 +0100 X-Trace: 50261616/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.119.154 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.119.154 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmEFANdBg0hYanea/2dsb2JhbACCQy9rNYdVoU8D X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,219,1215385200"; d="scan'208,217";a="50261616" Received: from 88-106-119-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.119.154]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 20 Jul 2008 21:50:15 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:50:15 +0100 Message-ID: <00e001c8eaaa$364a0660$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjqqjX2lxROs/z/SfKBqbY07QekUQ== X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080720-0, 20/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 KHzTX Test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C8EAB2.980E6E60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C8EAB2.980E6E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi LF, Testing at the moment with 34 watts Tx - 100mW ERP - 503.600 KHz - 12wpm CW at 1 minute intervals. 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Hi LF,=

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Testing at the moment with 34 w= atts Tx - 100mW ERP – 503.600 KHz – 12wpm CW at 1 minute intervals.

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Reports welcome.

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------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C8EAB2.980E6E60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de01.mx.aol.com (rly-de01.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.137]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE052-4b24880a6cd2f4; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:21:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE017-4b24880a6cd2f4; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:21:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJqpK-00041h-GS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:20:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJqpJ-00041Q-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:20:53 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-4.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.234] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJqpD-000650-T7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:20:51 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEADhDgEhOkJ5h/2dsb2JhbACEWqpS Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.158.97]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 15:20:40 +0100 Message-ID: <003001c8e8e1$75c37ad0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:20:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.052 Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n The majority of far east countries do not use the metric system, nor does the middle east for weights and measures G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM > EXcuse me- > The only country that doesn't oficially use the Metric system is the > USA, along with two tiny ones whose names don't come to mind. And > look what not using it cost the Nasa space programme! > > I like the term "badvertising" seen in this months mag. Postings > like these come firmly into that category when seen by outsiders. > > Andy G4JNT > > > 2008/7/18 mal hamilton : >> How about all the different weights and measures used throughout the >> world >> plus the different currencies. The majority of countries do not use the >> metric system, not even in some parts of EU. >> If a radio amateur gets confused over resistors perhaps he is better >> suited >> to the internet and a mobile phone. >> de G3KEV >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" >> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:37 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM >> >> >>>> Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the >>>> traditional squiggle for a resistor. >>> >>> Using different names, symbols or abbreviations can lead to confusion >>> and >>> thus errors. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD >>> >>> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD022-b7d4884af93186; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:47:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD057-b7d4884af93186; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:47:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKxbb-0005r8-Bs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:47:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKxba-0005qz-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:47:18 +0100 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.168]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKxbX-0006od-R4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:47:18 +0100 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so1076880wfa.16 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:47:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=XnlX9q9tdT4rLmvXstgBon93Hk+0Otglw1o+nep1GSY=; b=PTfXF3Ic6cSJbq6LCxgr2Bw3E1guJQLNf4y4/Lw3iQdGJsSxzwmW9JCwx039Z3drhL HDsznP8dMAh2Dl37nYrVLr7opNZYotAORSyeDGqw+Ru8OIbNPJs7zUBS/jHmbLrnxVON jRdK95LQMObGeCXL7c7YZLE/aQi1utbHeY+20= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=BkM6KrfirAIl/VCYhjPeiP0WK4wthezOYlQ1IBFe1sHn7DZDpqtsnietvEmqOblCqj 5eM7ibu/Asd5EkgvE+1sXiphOUWmjYFh6eP3FUlFZs+oGGUDVR+wuofKLTwToIf62zwB zucvJ2xJgWuAAPuWoLgmmRAVgKJ8URcb4OGRs= Received: by 10.142.89.9 with SMTP id m9mr1396525wfb.71.1216655233713; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.37.10 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <57a24ca70807210847g4d398718gd0b32407bccd5500@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:47:13 -0400 From: "Warren Ziegler" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <48ff10040807210834v58d6be30sf2424ec4f2d5af25@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <002901c8eb29$b39ce6d0$6401a8c0@asus> <48ff10040807210834v58d6be30sf2424ec4f2d5af25@mail.gmail.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mitch, The vhf antennas are full wave loops with a relatively high radiation resistance and low loss, electrically small loops at LF are the opposite, i.e. low radiation resistance and high loss. 73 Warren K2ORS On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Mitch Buchman wrote: > How is this different from an eggbeater or turnstile antenna, that is > often used at VHF? > > http://pagesperso-orange.fr/on6wg/Doc/Antenne%20Eggbeater-Engl-Part1-Full.pdf > > and > ARRL Radio Amateur Satellite Handbook 1st ed, p10-16 > > Mitch > KB3MYC > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Gary - G4WGT wrote: >> Andy, LF, >> >> You wrote :- >> >> "Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre line >> but at right angles to each other so there should be no coupling >> between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and >> resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original >> value." >> >> I have been pondering about something similar as I have problems remotely >> rotating yet another antenna. >> >> My idea is to make the loops in the same way as you describe but feed the 2 >> loops to the two inputs of a balanced pre-amp like the G3LNP loop pre-amp >> shown in the "LF Experimenters Handbook" >> >> What are your thoughts on that please. >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot >> Sent: 21 July 2008 12:30 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: Loop Conundrum >> >> Was pondering this while out walking the other day, and couldn't come >> to a satisfactory conclusion either way... >> >> A small magnetic loop mounted vertically has a defined radiation >> resistance that is a function of its diameter, a loss that is function >> of its conductor and hence a loss or efficiency that is the ratio of >> the two. It is resonated with a good quality vacuum capacitor, and >> fed/matched by any suitable metrhod. Lets also leave aside all the >> myth and folklore about small loops, and also ignore the environment >> for now. It also as a radiation pattern with nulls. >> >> Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre >> line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling >> between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and >> resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original >> value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled >> in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. >> >> BUT... >> What is the resulting change in efficiency? >> >> Argument 1: >> Two identical loops = two times the loss R, but also two times the >> radiation resistance (since they don't couple) so net efficiency >> remains the same. >> >> Argument 2 : >> Chu-Harrington relates efficiency / Q / bandwidth / volume enclosed. >> Therefore, as the enclosed volume has increased, the effciency ought >> to rise. >> >> Both arguments developed little side trendrils & thoughts as I walked >> and pondered, and both appear valid in their own way. So >> the floor is open for discussion :- >> >> And where does the net radiation pattern fit into the equation? Does >> it, at all ? >> -- >> Andy G4JNT >> www.scrbg.org/g4jnt >> >> ps. Fascinating paper on EMP btw. - I was up way past midnight last >> night reading it. >> >> >> > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (rly-ma03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.47]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINMA063-897488f4aaf227; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:52:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA031-897488f4aaf227; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:52:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KNsPS-0002g8-JR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:50:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KNsPS-0002fz-0Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:50:50 +0100 Received: from smtp801.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.61]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNsPQ-0004Cm-9y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:50:49 +0100 Received: (qmail 69383 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 16:50:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance:Thread-Index; b=NXYHepWsCKJLa/l6Px07fv8vpHqnz+FBhKws1qSciEjLB+AmqF0bOIn2abZ05OYaAveFyLPFj+mHKC7wlTPAsEmFfaqhsFnUADZlIMW8001D07StgnZKIoI+cP7lMrArp8m32Cl8aA5CShgEjxLF4Pl4I87rPxOBc2dSDnHwF/o= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@btinternet.com@81.129.231.144 with login) by smtp801.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 16:50:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: br.ER10VM1m9zxCizBkEQr6Nh.VNhCApQW.eD7_kmZDwT47XVbLd7VxPyzlX30kbs4hTS_tjJGKBoZ3v2IAXie.bpvtExqRDGBBKKgobFQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:50:41 +0100 Message-ID: <004a01c8f19b$3d370520$a402a8c0@Inspiron> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acjxms5jloXtchH3RyepU+fqLE+bhwAAErJg DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500KHz NoV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01C8F1A3.9EFB6D20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C8F1A3.9EFB6D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, =20 After reading through loads of stuff and monitoring the LF Group I'm left with the decision of whether to start on 136 or 500KHz. =20 500KHz seems much easier to deal with from the outset, and hopefully the NoV period will be extended further next year. However the NoV itself is the possible stumbling block in that it appears that experience on 136KHz is a big plus that Ofcom appear to be looking for, =20 My question is, would I get away with applying for a NoV without first being active on 136KHz, or has anyone already taken this route and been successful? =20 73, Lee M0LMH. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C8F1A3.9EFB6D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,

 

After reading through loads of stuf= f and monitoring the LF Group I’m left with the decision of whether to start on 136 or 500KHz.

 

500KHz seems much easier to deal wi= th from the outset, and hopefully the NoV period will be extended further next year.

However the NoV itself is the possi= ble stumbling block in that it appears that experience on 136KHz is a big plus that Ofcom appear to be looking for,

 

My question is, would I get away wi= th applying for a NoV without first being active on 136KHz, or has anyone already taken this route and been successful?

 

73,

Lee M0LMH.

 

------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C8F1A3.9EFB6D20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG013-a274880964ef; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:10:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG081-a274880964ef; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:10:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJpil-0003VO-Pd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:10:03 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJpil-0003VF-6H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:10:03 +0100 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJpih-0007zU-RM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:10:03 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080718131620.ORZP16629.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:16:20 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [86.13.40.136]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080718131001.SWBE18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:10:01 +0100 Message-ID: <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:09:50 +0100 From: David Towers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AMATEUR_PORN=1.473 Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) The argument was instigated by a G3 as well!!!A CW enthusiast no doubt, and one of Mals "old school real amateurs"?. Sorry Mal but digital modes are useful to those of us with impairments that prevent us from having, obtaining or achieving a "CW fist. So stop this "real radio amateur" and "CW only" crap and allow us to enjoy the hobby in a way that we enjoy, to the best of our imperfect abilities. 73 dave G8SZX Glenfield Leicester IO92jp webpage www.g8szx.mediumwaveradio.org mal hamilton wrote: > > Latest copy. > In depth discussion about how a resistor should be represented on a cct > diagram. > Boxes or squiggles !!!!!!!! > Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the > traditional squiggle for a resistor. It seem some so called > designers/engineerts and others have nothing better to do than dream up > changes which are not necessary. > Also, how did we all manage in the heyday of HF radio with analogue > systems, not a DIGI in sight, the world still kept spinning. > How about some good RF enigneering and less DC building blocks. > It is more challenging to use an old basic rig, ie Collins, Drake etc > and enjoy natural communications methods like CW and VOICE (AM or SSB). > No complicated digital modes are necessary, just a steady sound CW fist, > good symetrical ears and for some elecution lessons !! > de G3KEV > > This message has been processed by Firetrust Benign > . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME094-9e2487a4580374; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:12:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME106-9e2487a4580374; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:12:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KI639-0006zH-OZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:11:55 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KI639-0006z8-3X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:11:55 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-4.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.234] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KI635-0008Tv-Dh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:11:55 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmU/AE/ieUhZ8YuQPGdsb2JhbAATgiwzgWqFOgqIAwEBAQEti1iJSw Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.241.139.144]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2008 19:11:35 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c8e513$e3173f30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:11:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: satellites Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8E51C.43AA7A30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8E51C.43AA7A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since there is no LF/MF news or acty I would like to know if anyone knows ho= w the satellite scene is getting on. I have not seen any mention of satellite acty in Radcom for a long time, has= this also fizzled out. Perhaps the internet and mobile phone appliance operation has taken over. Go= od bye amateur radio!!! De G3KEV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8E51C.43AA7A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Since there is no LF/MF news or acty I woul= d like=20 to know if anyone knows how the satellite scene is getting on.
I have not seen any mention of satellite ac= ty in=20 Radcom for a long time, has this also fizzled out.
Perhaps the internet and mobile phone appli= ance=20 operation has taken over. Good bye amateur radio!!!
De G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8E51C.43AA7A30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df01.mx.aol.com (rly-df01.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.14]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5294880cfe02aa; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:16:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF016-5294880cfe02aa; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:16:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJtYC-0004sT-BN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:15:24 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJtYB-0004sK-Mm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:15:23 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-2.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.232] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJtY6-0001ep-Du for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:15:23 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgwMAOVsgEhOkJ5h/2dsb2JhbAATgi0ygWmFQgqIZpEBixc Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.158.97]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 18:15:09 +0100 Message-ID: <005e01c8e8f9$d5bc7e60$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:15:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: KEEP GOING Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C8E902.3747ADF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C8E902.3747ADF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF and LF are virtually dead and I thought the reflector had gone the same w= ay, I was wrong, just give you boys some ammunition and there are ATTACKS a= nd counter ATTACKS. Keep it up. G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C8E902.3747ADF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF and LF are virtually dead and I thought=20= the=20 reflector had gone the same way, I was wrong,  just give you boys some=20 ammunition and there are ATTACKS and counter ATTACKS. Keep it up.
G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C8E902.3747ADF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDB032-ab64891dc4d216; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:38:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB034-ab64891dc4d216; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:37:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOaDd-0006vT-Mw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:37:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOaDd-0006vK-BR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:37:33 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpo-eml04.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.153]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOaDa-0002Yp-Jj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:37:33 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml101.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.101]) by cpsmtpo-eml04.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:37:23 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml101.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:37:23 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c8f323$54b08a80$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: References: <000801c8f313$38a429b0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:37:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 15:37:23.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[53C69FB0:01C8F323] X-Karma: -1000: uceprotect.blacklist: if-match(0) => return-bad(1.0) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n hi joe, the best time for us to recieve your signal is between 23:00 and 02:00 hours utc. henny pa3cpm best 73s ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: Re: LF: 187.375khz > Hi Henny, LF Group. > > The beacon was switched off at 0230 to prevent damage from > an electrical storm. It will resume operation this evening. > Thank-you for monitoring my signals, Henny and others. > Do your receptions coincide with off-times for the high > power broadcast stations? > > Local reception tests were conducted earlier this month and it was > noted that the beacon was audible at distances of 600 km in the > daytime over a water path at 47 north. At higher latitudes > (about 50-55N) Iceland on 189 kHz was quite strong and prevented > aural reception of the beacon. What I found amazing was that > this persisted even during the daytime. Shouldn't E-layer absorption > preclude transatlantic LF propagation at high noon? There must be > something else at play?! > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, henny van elst wrote: > >> hi joe, >> this time nothing seen, >> best 73s >> henny pa3cpm. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh08.mx.aol.com (rly-mh08.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.144]) by air-mh03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH033-bf04888ff4c379; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:17:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH088-bf04888ff4c379; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:16:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KM95B-0004nZ-1a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:14:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KM95A-0004nQ-FN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:14:44 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KM956-0005xd-JB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:14:44 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3426.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BAF531C0008A for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:14:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.93.35]) by mwinf3426.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 015841C00086 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:14:30 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080724221431556.015841C00086@mwinf3426.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <78354821F47346A99538CF6923DD3D22@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> <4880B1E7.3040008@ntlworld.com> <000a01c8edb7$0174f7a0$713a2e40@p1i5f0> <004101c8edc4$b4bc9590$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:14:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: 600m Info Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Some thoughts on 600 The antenna systems and power levels needed to establish communication on 600 Mtr's are considerably smaller than 2200 , the tx power levels are compatible to normal HF operation , in tests , 20 watts feeding a 35 ft top loaded system , using modern and not so modern data systems have produced reliable copy both inside the apparent ground wave range of 60/70 miles ( A un expected phenomena resulting in 'beacon bedlam' a testing time south of Watford gap ) and in the intermediate skip ranges of 250+ and 500+ miles. 5 or 10 watts , giving a good trace at Johns most excellent internet linked panoramic monitoring station located in the Shetland islands , some 600 miles north of my qth , which at the moment can be observed a on going propagation experiment by Finbar with compact antenna array, slightly closer (to me) is of course I think the original monitoring station established by Dave in Birmingham , which has proved invaluable as a remote monitor for those in ground wave range , some 500 mW being all that is required to produce a trace It is tempting to replicate vlf systems and launch them on 600 mtr , but in retrospect this might of been the result of operations rising from the lower bands and not , dropping down from top band, where it would of never occurred to any one using data to of deployed a non linear system, even with the deployment of the 'wspr' auto reporting beacon system, still requires either the use of a pic controlled dds exciter or the linear translation of the sound card interface. linear translation in frequency that is , to retain the very narrow fsk The generation of power levels round the 100 watt , may be accomplished by any of the existing technology's and where it is quite possible to obtain high levels of efficiency with non-linear systems , in the long run the limitation this imposes on the types of modes that may be used, may, if taken into account at the off set , may of resulted in a much higher take up The only advice I would give is , If you can use top band , then you can use 600 , you don't need much power and keep your options open , keep it linear ... this opens up experimentation using all most anything ... prologue However If you have introduced logic in the transmitter drive chain , this rather well presented project by 'Jim may facilitate a change of mode? Link's :- http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/eer-transmitting http://uk500khz.googlegroups.com/web/EER_Transverter_v2.pdf?gda=t-IW0EcAAADreA3He7z-1zl0nx8aKTrkbPAui0z31g_35dksGVSJPGG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDT1pV1Og9oeqwS6db_U_lgaw8OU8Ap4Nqh177si8htneQ Reference material listed on the EER transmitting page of the uk500khz news group. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary - G4WGT" Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:37 PM To: Subject: LF: RE: 600m Info > Steve, LF, > > Re: "Scopematch" > > I built the "LF Tuning Meter" from Jim M0BMU for 136 KHz & I now use it > for > 500 KHz & it works just as well. > > Quoting from the article :- > > "This LF tuning meter was conceived to perform the same function, > but to be a simple, self-contained unit requiring no additional power > supply." > > http://www.picks.plus.com/software/LFtunemeter.pdf > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve McDonald > Sent: 24 July 2008 18:59 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: 600m Info > > Are there any web sites devoted to 600m circuits etc? I am aware of the > U.S. > group one as well as G3YMC's page and N4ICK's tx design, but perhaps there > are others as well? > > Several of the 2200m experimental licencees have just been asked to submit > formal proposals for 600m experimental permits here in Canada so things > are > starting to look positive but I have no idea of the timeline. Just in > case, > I thought I had better get the soldering iron warmed-up once again, not > that > it has ever really cooled-off. > > Also...does anyone know how well the M0MBU scope match circuit (that works > so wonderfully-well on 2200m) performs on 600m without any modification? > > Steve / VE7SL > > Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1571 - Release Date: 7/24/2008 > 17:42 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG042-a084880d0552e1; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:18:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG042-a084880d0552e1; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:18:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJtap-0004wK-KY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:18:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJtap-0004wB-2X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:18:07 +0100 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJtal-0001gz-H6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:18:07 +0100 Received: from GandalfG8@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id l.c52.34df82f4 (42809) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:17:45 -0400 (EDT) From: GandalfG8@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:17:45 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM - CONSTRUCTIONAL ITEMS AND ALL THAT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1216401465" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + -------------------------------1216401465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/07/2008 17:12:52 GMT Daylight Time, dennis.easterling@btinternet.com writes: Sneers against the new 'Radcom' editor and the comic, which I take to mean 'Practical Wireless' and its associated publications are unworthy. When I joined the RSGB three years ago, I was initially disappointed with 'Radcom' which seem to have limited content and lacked style. Under the new editor, the style has improved enormously and the contents are generally well balanced. Of course, many of us we would like to see more constructional items and news of exciting research, but as G3WKL pointed out, this depends on those actively involved producing the necessary articles. As far as PW is concerned, it has kept going over the years and won many friends, including myself. From the earliest days to the present time it has been one of the few windows on the world of amateur radio, raising interest in old and young, something we still surely need. Phew! I fell better to have got that off my chest. ----------------------- Shame then that you did such a good job of getting many of your facts wrong. Yes, RadCom has improved considerably but that has been under the editorship of Giles Read who remains Technical Editor. No, he is not the new Managing Editor, who's appointment is sufficiently recent to be irrelevant to those improvements that have impressed you. No, the "comic" in this instance is not Practical Wireless, despite that being known as Camm's Comic in the past, but another offering from PWP known as RadioUser, the result of PWP's misguided decision to dump ShortWave Mag and its editor in order to produce this dumbed down offering. It wasn't all that long ago, and may still be ongoing for all I know, that editorial comment in RadioUser was encouraging contributions on all aspects of radio "operating", regardless of the legality of some practices, presumably in attempts to find a niche audience after most previous SWM readers had no doubt departed the fold in favour of Monitoring Monthly. That's what your new Managing Editor of RadCom was doing whilst Giles Read was making such a good job of sorting out what it was that had prevously disappoined you. Funny old world ain't it? Regards Nigel GM8PZR -------------------------------1216401465 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 18/07/2008 17:12:52 GMT Daylight Time,=20 dennis.easterling@btinternet.com writes:
Sneers against the new 'Radcom' editor an= d the=20 comic, which I take to mean 'Practical Wireless' and its associated=20 publications are unworthy.   When I joined the RSGB three years=20= ago,=20 I was initially disappointed with 'Radcom' which seem to have limited cont= ent=20 and lacked style.   Under the new editor, the style has improved= =20 enormously and the contents are generally well balanced.   Of=20 course, many of us we would like to see more constructional items and news= =20 of exciting research, but as G3WKL pointed out, this depends on those= =20 actively involved producing the necessary articles. 
 
As far as PW is concerned, it has kept go= ing over=20 the years and won many friends, including myself.   From the=20 earliest days to the present time it has been one of the few win= dows=20 on the world of amateur radio, raising interest in old and young, somethin= g we=20 still surely need.
 
Phew! I fell better to have got that off=20= my=20 chest.
-----------------------
Shame then that you did such a good job of getting many of your=20 facts wrong.
 
Yes, RadCom has improved considerably but that has been under the=20 editorship of Giles Read who remains Technical Editor.
 
No, he is not the new Managing Editor, who's appointment is=20 sufficiently recent to be irrelevant to those improvements that have=20 impressed you.
 
No, the "comic" in this instance is not Practical Wireless,=20 despite that being known as Camm's Comic in the past, but another=20 offering from PWP known as RadioUser, the result of PWP's misguided=20 decision to dump ShortWave Mag and its editor in order to produce=20 this dumbed down offering.
 
It wasn't all that long ago, and may still be ongoing for all I=20 know, that editorial comment in RadioUser was encouraging contributions= on=20 all aspects of radio "operating", regardless of the legality of some practic= es,=20 presumably in attempts to find a niche audience after most previous SWM= =20 readers had no doubt departed the fold in favour of Monitoring Monthly.
 
That's what your new Managing Editor of RadCom was doing whilst Giles R= ead=20 was making such a good job of sorting out what it was that had prevously=20 disappoined you.
 
Funny old world ain't it?
 
Regards
 
Nigel
GM8PZR
 -------------------------------1216401465-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB031-adc487f35121dd; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:03:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB082-adc487f35121dd; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:03:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJSCA-0000lc-Kb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:02:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJSCA-0000lT-7s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:02:50 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJSC6-0006Uy-1v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:02:50 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj4uANXRfkhOlKwvPGdsb2JhbACEW4NyiXABAQEBLZ0n Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.172.47]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 13:02:37 +0100 Message-ID: <003601c8e805$02667a10$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003c01c8e7e6$5eca7500$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:02:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi John With only half a dozen operators active on 500 khz and then only at weekends, its unlikely to attract many authers. There is enough information already available for potential newcomers and veterans rebuilding One point that comes up frequently is permitted power.on 500 khz in the UK. I would suggest an increase in power to at least 20w erp, to encourage some long range propagation experiments and some technical input for the larger amplifiers required. 160 metres at the other end of the MF spectrum is similar to 600 metres regarding propagation and you would not get far with reliability with 1w erp on that band. 73 de Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W Gould" To: Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:23 AM Subject: RE: LF: satellites To me the important point that I tried to make in my posting, which has drawn no comment, is the one I made about getting people to write up their experimental work for publication, and specifically that concerning 500kHz. To maintain progress on gaining a long-term allocation around 500kHz we will need to raise the profile nationally and internationally of work undertaken on 500kHz. One way of doing this is to get a few good technical articles written, not just sharing knowledge but encouraging others and providing suitable designs to enable them to join in; good construction articles can do just that. 73 John, G3WKL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (rly-ma04.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.48]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA042-8a44889be01b4; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:50:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA046-8a44889be01b4; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:50:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KMLnd-0006xd-Uj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:49:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KMLnd-0006xU-F7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:49:29 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.64]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KMLna-0005UA-92 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:49:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 46155 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2008 11:49:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=BJoCYsF9uE4IavRstisv0pN+ukQEnFBU/Fe3ghMyS5CI8QRKfOImvGTYM/1oeCxV80qyGlPrsgGzkc9Xce2zBG5BGbgrPUxaZod31GtwI94P0gB1OhV/SDZi8/RvIN++KJyM5jKTo50xtboxiXtuLWlEZdMkV2nWjqqeLGawViI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@86.135.94.149 with login) by smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2008 11:49:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SH22l0oVM1mC8S3zTCrYRAVnfVq0_GmMjmb9vwk2e7GUWbz.y99UIe9ltF4fKrFtrmcrr0iKjgofRdyYB5qpo08qmbiEEFhDl0bT8xbH1nDk5LwNspWks0TdRnfE8RitVldrrsDwVbqyV_MeSd67osmF X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.524 [270.5.5/1571]); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:44:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c8ee4b$c1db6d00$4101a8c0@home> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:44:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Posting problem / Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Dear LF Group, It seems that I can only make postings to the LF reflector from one of the two PCs I have connected to the broadband modem. The one that works is an old machine with Win98 - the one that doesn't is Vista, although the e-mail message settings are the same on both PCs as far as I can tell, and sending e-mail to other destinations does not seem to be a problem. Does anyone know why this could be? All info gratefully received... This is what I tried to send a couple of days ago re G4JNT's "loop conundrum": Dear Andy, LF Group, > Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre > line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling > between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and > resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original > value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled > in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. > > BUT... > What is the resulting change in efficiency? > Here is my attempt to analyse this. According to the (Kraus) textbook, the E field at a long distance from a small loop is: 120*pi^2*I*sin(theta)*A/(r*lambda^2), where I is current, r distance and A loop area. In other words, the E field (and the H field) are proportional to the sine of the azimuth angle theta, relative to the axis of the loop. A second loop at right angles to the first, with identical area and current would give the same E field as above, except that sin(theta) becomes sin(theta + pi/2) due to the rotation. With both loops present, the two fields will be superimposed - as IK1ODO says, at a long distance the E field will be entirely vertical for both antennas, and have the same phase because the distance is the same, so the field vectors for each antenna will always be in the same direction and simply add algebraically to give the total E field for the composite antenna: 120*pi^2*I*[sin(theta) + sin(theta + pi/2)]*A/(r*lambda^2) a bit of fiddling with trig identities makes this equal to: sqrt(2)*120*pi^2*I*sin(theta + pi/4)*A/(r*lambda^2) So this is the same pattern as the single loop, except that the magnitude is increased by sqrt(2), and the angle is slewed through pi/4, i.e. 45 degrees. A very similar result occurs for the H field. So I agree with G4OKW. Since the power density is proportional to E^2, the power density is twice as great, and so the total radiated power will also be twice as much. So argument 1 is OK, twice as much power in, twice as much radiated: > Argument 1: > Two identical loops = two times the loss R, but also two times the > radiation resistance (since they don't couple) so net efficiency > remains the same. > > Argument 2 : > Chu-Harrington relates efficiency / Q / bandwidth / volume enclosed. > Therefore, as the enclosed volume has increased, the effciency ought > to rise. > In my reading of the Chu et al limitations on antennas, the "volume" considered is always a sphere which is just big enough to fully enclose the antenna - in this case, you could add the extra loop without increasing the size of the sphere, so the limit would stay the same. There is also a "shape factor" which reaches 1 only for some theoretically optimum, and probably un-realisable, antenna, with real antennas such as small loops having some value less than 1. So there is only an upper limit on efficiency, real antennas might be better or worse below this limit. To get a pattern without nulls, you have to have a phase shift between the loop currents - as has been pointed out, when the phase shift is 90 degrees, you get an omnidirectional pattern. This has been implemented (for receive) in DF6NM's directional spectrogram set-up. If the phases of the currents in the two loops stay the same and the amplitudes vary, there will always be angles where the fields of the loops cancel, giving nulls, and the pattern will be that of a single loop skewed from the physical direction of the actual loops. This is the principle behind the Bellini-Tosi type of LF/MF direction finder with two loops with their signals summed in a "goniometer" to give an electrically-steerable null. It is also why you will get sharp nulls with small loops even when they are bent and twisted into funny shapes, or with multi-turn "box" loops with thickness as well as area, or soccer balls for that matter :-) Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF083-947487a4d321b5; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:45:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF025-947487a4d321b5; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:45:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KI6Yi-00077h-0f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:44:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KI6Yh-00077Y-FK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:44:31 +0100 Received: from mx3.mail.ru ([194.67.23.149]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KI6Ye-0000CH-IU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:44:31 +0100 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=20913 helo=EFREMOV) by mx3.mail.ru with asmtp id 1KI6YY-00036k-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:44:22 +0400 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <000e01c8e518$5e449d70$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey RN3AGC" To: References: <003601c8b071$78496c90$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:43:08 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: OK X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RN3AGC QRP beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ~ Hello All, RN3AGC QRP-beacon start 18.45 z ~137.776.6 qrss60. Power ~15 W. All reports are welcome. 73 RN3AGC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF043-5964880f55810a; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:56:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF125-5964880f55810a; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:56:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJw3U-0005UE-PD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:55:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJw3U-0005U5-5o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:55:52 +0100 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJw3S-0006Iq-59 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:55:52 +0100 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so160177yxn.64 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:55:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=H2oijKOqJu9vlu2e6QQmGfrkz3ZMKBtXR0tB5+CFEFI=; b=rryj+OhzOIxALBv6tjEyGelD78x6FnrI819JLFJfDboodeaMdrPaENMGkMahHdQtRb mSLnQguopz+a3HVpuIJPjpuw1f2yXNJCk0VLsCy4unWIxyWwM3ntO3oKgUs109lZdJGe jAN5Cv8UV8ParrITv6Nu/J7U1rCuMH9T3/Wsc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=pSKasQgfer5pml9h14K463GiBpiYTQoVB2cnmL81JdalEwJhJ6zaW40SzgDnP2dRdP iF7ZZdGTUW/07M/OAJwZoFwvHKPzcKtUKY5kvX/y1x4xbr+B9oHYe2amZ+ynAcc5Xp/d vlkIv/QL70kl86kfUwHR1Wb/5a2GclfTvsgAk= Received: by 10.151.155.21 with SMTP id h21mr549984ybo.199.1216410947191; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.50.21 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:55:47 +0000 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Rad Com / critical mass etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) That's because no one sends anything in !!!!!!!!!!!!!! As I said in a previous posting a few months ago to one of the many groups (microwaves, probably) - its positive feedback. People see reduced technical content, assume RC are taking the stand deliberately, so don't bother writing it up. Self perpetuating and leading to instability, in this case probably a bistable stuck in the '0' state. Your comments, Dave, are exactly what I was speculating on. Did you ever phone the editor and discuss their requirements, and whether thay'd be interested? I bet not. Andy G4JNT > Unfortunately, it costs quite a lot to make a kit available. You need > minimum order quantities for PCBs to make it cost effective, and a kit that > contains a few inches of say, 28 SWG wire means you have to buy a > reel......and so on and so on. > Having an article published in RadCom was key to making a kit viable. But > now, there are no significant articles being published. If, I submit an > article am I going to be told, we don't do that any more, or we like most > magazines commission articles? > > Basically, last year I looked at 500k as a possible opportunity for > designing a DDS driven transmitter. 100W out, little 2 line LCD, PIC > microcontroller running a DDS. - All fairly straightforward and if run from > 12V, a project that would attract people onto 500k. But the single reason > why that didn't happen was because at the time when I had the idea, Rad Com > hadn't published a single significant construction article in the previous Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b29487f36bd21; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:11:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC065-b29487f36bd21; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:10:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJSJX-0000rw-S8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:10:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJSJX-0000rn-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:10:27 +0100 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJSJU-0000I4-HS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:10:27 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-25-171.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.25.171] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1KJSJR-0005Ha-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:10:21 +0100 Message-ID: <487F37A4.9090906@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:14:28 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003c01c8e7e6$5eca7500$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> In-Reply-To: <003c01c8e7e6$5eca7500$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.087 Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) John W Gould wrote: > To me the important point that I tried to make in my posting, which has > drawn no comment, is the one I made about getting people to write up their > experimental work for publication, and specifically that concerning 500kHz. > > To maintain progress on gaining a long-term allocation around 500kHz we will > need to raise the profile nationally and internationally of work undertaken > on 500kHz. One way of doing this is to get a few good technical articles > written, not just sharing knowledge but encouraging others and providing > suitable designs to enable them to join in; good construction articles can > do just that. > > I had considered describing the problem and the solution of using an existing HF antenna, such as a quad or any other wire beam antenna, on 500kHz. My main reason for not doing so was that I thought that it would be regarded as too 'amateurish' even though my HF quad worked very well as a 500kHz antenna, with the appropriate loading and matching arrangements. Furthermore, my 500kHz transmitter is just a valve transmitter using the power supply and components of a defunked homebrew linear amplifier, which can hardly be described as 'experimental work'. I understand 'experimental work' to be the use of 'state of the art' RF amplifiers and the use of special modes - something I have not yet done. Regards Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB033-ac1487a68df2b; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:43:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB047-ac1487a68df2b; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:43:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KI8P7-0007Xw-QL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:42:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KI8P7-0007Xn-8g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:42:45 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.21]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KI8P4-0000u0-JR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:42:45 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a82-95-116-115.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.95.116.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6DKgXZa006812 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:42:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nl9222@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <487A68B7.6070204@xs4all.nl> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:42:31 +0200 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c8e513$e3173f30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <001101c8e513$e3173f30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080713-0, 07/13/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > Since there is no LF/MF news or acty I would like to know if anyone > knows how the satellite scene is getting on. > I have not seen any mention of satellite acty in Radcom for a long time, > has this also fizzled out. > Perhaps the internet and mobile phone appliance operation has taken > over. Good bye amateur radio!!! > De G3KEV > Lots of qso's for Chris today, perhaps his ears and antenna do work. No need to reply !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh07.mx.aol.com (rly-mh07.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.143]) by air-mh08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH083-be4486c8d8f1e8; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:28:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH074-be4486c8d8f1e8; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:28:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KEKAK-0003v2-0E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:27:44 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KEKAJ-0003ut-3t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:27:43 +0100 Received: from hpsmtp-eml20.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.85]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KEKAE-0003Tw-Vb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:27:43 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml106.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.106]) by hpsmtp-eml20.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:27:33 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml106.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:27:33 +0200 Message-ID: <003701c8dce6$a6396ff0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:27:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2008 08:27:33.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4146D10:01C8DCE6] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): na0307.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C8DCF7.6992CB80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C8DCF7.6992CB80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0034_01C8DCF7.6992CB80" ------=_NextPart_001_0034_01C8DCF7.6992CB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi joe, the same capture with speclab. henny cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden= : na0307.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen he= t verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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hi joe,
the same capture with=20 speclab.
henny cpm
best 73s
 
 
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(VPS 080724-1, 24/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: 600m Info Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + Steve, LF, Re: "Scopematch" I built the "LF Tuning Meter" from Jim M0BMU for 136 KHz & I now use it for 500 KHz & it works just as well. Quoting from the article :- "This LF tuning meter was conceived to perform the same function, but to be a simple, self-contained unit requiring no additional power supply." http://www.picks.plus.com/software/LFtunemeter.pdf Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve McDonald Sent: 24 July 2008 18:59 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 600m Info Are there any web sites devoted to 600m circuits etc? I am aware of the U.S. group one as well as G3YMC's page and N4ICK's tx design, but perhaps there are others as well? Several of the 2200m experimental licencees have just been asked to submit formal proposals for 600m experimental permits here in Canada so things are starting to look positive but I have no idea of the timeline. Just in case, I thought I had better get the soldering iron warmed-up once again, not that it has ever really cooled-off. Also...does anyone know how well the M0MBU scope match circuit (that works so wonderfully-well on 2200m) performs on 600m without any modification? Steve / VE7SL Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME014-9c0486dcc273be; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 03:08:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME064-9c0486dcc273be; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 03:07:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KEfMs-0005wC-5j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:06:06 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KEfMr-0005w3-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:06:05 +0100 Received: from hpsmtp-eml19.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.84]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KEfMo-0004Vp-KO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:06:05 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml102.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.102]) by hpsmtp-eml19.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:05:57 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:05:57 +0200 Message-ID: <005f01c8dda4$682ec610$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:05:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2008 07:05:57.0041 (UTC) FILETIME=[68117A10:01C8DDA4] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): vo1na0407.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C8DDB5.2A5F3200" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C8DDB5.2A5F3200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_005C_01C8DDB5.2A5F3200" ------=_NextPart_001_005C_01C8DDB5.2A5F3200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi joe, capture vo1na one (n) ? gl best 73s henny pa3cpm. 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DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8F2EF.96B9BE80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8F2EF.96B9BE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal Thanks for e-mail. Will be trying for CW contacts next week. My morse is a= trocious so will be using computer generated at the moment but will persever= e with the pump handle key in the meantime. Aerial is the best I can fit in= a garden 10 ft square surrounded by houses, so I dont expect any DX results= . 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Dennis Monitor 500 every day and often put out a cq. Would be delighted to have a= QSO with you on CW. De Mal/VG3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:12 PM Subject: LF: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Hi Peter Thanks for the congrats. Have tried the odd test transmissions and hope to be fit for purpose soo= n. Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Hi Dennis This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV application. Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse. You are a rare breed, a new 500kc/s op. 73 for now and GL petefmt.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not happy with your email address?=20 Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses availabl= e now at Yahoo! ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8F2EF.96B9BE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal
Thanks for e-mail.  Will be trying for= CW=20 contacts next week.  My morse is atrocious so will be using computer=20 generated at the moment but will persevere with the pump handle key in the=20 meantime.  Aerial is the best I can fit in a garden 10 ft square surrou= nded=20 by houses, so I dont expect any DX results.
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
 
----- Original Message -----
mal= =20 hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:03= =20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: New NoV: Well=20= done=20 Dennis M0JXM

Dennis
Monitor 500 every day and often put out a= cq.=20 Would be delighted to have a QSO with you on CW.
De Mal/VG3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:12= =20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: New NoV: Well do= ne=20 Dennis M0JXM

Hi Peter
Thanks for the congrats.
Have tried the odd test transmissions a= nd hope=20 to be fit for purpose soon.
 
Dennis M0JXM
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:= 59=20 AM
Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done= =20 Dennis M0JXM

Hi Dennis
 
This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV=20 application.
 
Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow=20 Morse.
 
You are a rare breed,  a new 500kc/s op.
 
73 for now and GL petefmt.
<= BR>
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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8F2EF.96B9BE80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df04.mx.aol.com (rly-df04.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.17]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDF051-5454890ad6510e; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:05:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF044-5454890ad6510e; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:05:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOG2P-0004xW-Ot for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:04:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOG2N-0004xN-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:04:35 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-1.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.231] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOG2K-0005mM-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:04:35 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au4EAPBJkEhOkJYH/2dsb2JhbAATgi8xJIE/hU4KnE6LDA Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.150.7]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 19:04:25 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01c8f26e$b3f21410$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <593579.45856.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:03:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: Re: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C8F276.ED4405E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C8F276.ED4405E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dennis Monitor 500 every day and often put out a cq. Would be delighted to have a Q= SO with you on CW. De Mal/VG3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:12 PM Subject: LF: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Hi Peter Thanks for the congrats. Have tried the odd test transmissions and hope to be fit for purpose soon. Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Hi Dennis This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV application. Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse. You are a rare breed, a new 500kc/s op. 73 for now and GL petefmt.=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not happy with your email address?=20 Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available=20= now at Yahoo! ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C8F276.ED4405E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dennis
Monitor 500 every day and often put out a c= q. Would=20 be delighted to have a QSO with you on CW.
De Mal/VG3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
DENNIS EASTERLING
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:12=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: New NoV: Well done= =20 Dennis M0JXM

Hi Peter
Thanks for the congrats.
Have tried the odd test transmissions and= hope to=20 be fit for purpose soon.
 
Dennis M0JXM
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:59= =20 AM
Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done D= ennis=20 M0JXM

Hi Dennis
 
This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV=20 application.
 
Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse.
 
You are a rare breed,  a new 500kc/s op.
 
73 for now and GL petefmt.
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------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C8F276.ED4405E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDC023-b194887a7311db; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:48:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC045-b194887a7311db; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:48:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KLmC5-0001fU-2s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:48:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KLmC4-0001fL-Cp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:48:20 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KLmBz-00080z-GS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:48:20 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEACxEh0hZ8b7o/2dsb2JhbACJNapR Received: from unknown (HELO traceydlqceh0p) ([89.241.190.232]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 2008 22:48:05 +0100 Message-ID: <010701c8ed0d$cca5b9f0$e8bef159@traceydlqceh0p> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <3652E16C8DF5458ABDD4D14CF2537C0A@AGB> <004a01c8eb5e$f72eed00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <18E35B939E2A4A418472A930207A288D@AGB> <001701c8ed07$d9f49d20$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:48:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.239 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n > Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , > > Pref round 502 KHz , fundamental, needs to be a 'big' one , for a > valve > oscillator ! > > I assume hc6u would be ok or bigger , these look to be the right type ! > > http://hipme.com/weblogs/wa5znu/20050302210827/xtals.jpg > > Tnx - G .. > Surplus Sales of Nebraska have some 251kHz xtals if that would be of any use? http://www.surplussales.com/Crystals/Crystals-1.html 73s Tracey G5VU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de04.mx.aol.com (rly-de04.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.140]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE013-4cb487edf28224; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:57:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE042-4cb487edf28224; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:56:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJMTH-00086L-MR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:56:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJMTH-00086C-7B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:56:07 +0100 Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com ([72.14.246.247]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJMTE-0002pf-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:56:07 +0100 Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 35so4731872aga.1 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:55:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:date:mime-version :subject:message-id:priority:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-description:sender; bh=XY0FNMpxyyvTlH+f7Sgw+BPpkBd0oHnQL2geMLeDx0I=; b=MwUOLTVT7TTIbVfTYARNJr91x5+S05yCODjOoSsnGzcoMeH3HkzEYoAfBM6X3hJG3g POrDrLJkGMJK/smRwC2JkXog+kh79CFAP08JZjqCn/8duDBOUI0dK3rpbzlre1K3Hh5U 2FNLB69NVFh5J0UwLw1mYyyJEY81c5o3MzlB4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:date:mime-version:subject:message-id:priority:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-description:sender; b=HXlzyfrg0GZ3Rn83DCPO0R27Pw+n08dgB8KQFVwaRQD7PByAmLq+5ezFgM9hRCAQ0G zLqWCHAjNtJBi9zqwlusX3e5fxPXirjBlw5pMQ9Zoot91t97OnAH6T0sP9FdYtm6Zi4e rTS37u8OHJcTzE8QQE+8ZQfq9cPVAuzQS18A4= Received: by 10.100.251.11 with SMTP id y11mr3564199anh.114.1216274157242; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.5? ( [86.149.242.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm9517963ywn.0.2008.07.16.22.55.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:55:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:55:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <487EECFC.5238.20E43A@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n On 16 Jul 2008 at 18:40, GandalfG8@aol.com wrote: > Radcom is not the only "Journal" to suffer > the attack of the "designers" Electronics World has had the same tacky > "make-over" ..... > Indeed. Another casualty this week is the recently relaunched Television magazine. An excellent example of a mag which at one time was profitable with a large market but with the decline in the television repair trade, the disappearance of amateur construction and the advent of internet forums to exchange fault ideas real time meant that there was no place left for it. Relaunched in January with great promises, it lasted just six months with the editorial team going into liquidation. I would hope RadCom does not follow a similar fate, at least it is a society magazine with a guaranteed subscriber base. But similar things can be learned. With the internet covering day to day news the mag content must change to suit. It is indeed strange that there is little coverage of amateur satellites in RadCom. I remember some years ago the society made a donation to the Oscar 10 project which you would think showed some committment. But it is probably more about getting a regular contributor to produce a monthly page, which must be the responsibility of Amsat UK. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-9d9488f586f307; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:51:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME095-9d9488f586f307; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:50:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KNtKx-0002qN-O2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:50:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KNtKx-0002qE-9g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:50:15 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNtKt-0005As-Be for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:50:15 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6B7EF1C0008D for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:50:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.55.220]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 89B2F1C00086 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:50:02 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080729175002564.89B2F1C00086@mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <593579.45856.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:49:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01C8F1AB.E5B00980" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C8F1AB.E5B00980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dennis, Interesting to see nov's still being issued ... hope for us all yet !=20 Don't see you on qrz , where are you located ? what modes are you running ? Graham ..=20 From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:12 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Hi Peter Thanks for the congrats. Have tried the odd test transmissions and hope to be fit for purpose soon. Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Hi Dennis This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV application. Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse. You are a rare breed, a new 500kc/s op. 73 for now and GL petefmt.=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Not happy with your email address?=20 Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available no= w at Yahoo! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1579 - Release Date: 7/29/2008 06= :43 ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C8F1AB.E5B00980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dennis,
 
Interesting to  see nov's  still=20= being=20 issued ... hope for us all yet !
 
Don't see you on qrz , where are you locate= d ? what=20 modes are you running ?
 
Graham ..
 
 
 

Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:12 PM
Subject: LF: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM

Hi Peter
Thanks for the congrats.
Have tried the odd test transmissions and h= ope to=20 be fit for purpose soon.
 
Dennis M0JXM
 
----- Original Message -----
M0FMT <= /DIV>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:59=20 AM
Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done Den= nis=20 M0JXM

Hi Dennis
 
This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV application.
 
Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse.
 
You are a rare breed,  a new 500kc/s op.
 
73 for now and GL petefmt.

Not happy with your email address?
Get the one you really want=20 - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo!
No virus found=20=
in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20
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------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C8F1AB.E5B00980-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b4948917a1dcf; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:39:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC105-b4948917a1dcf; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:38:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOTgF-0005mw-AM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:38:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOTgE-0005mn-Qa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:38:38 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.74]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOTgB-00077z-5w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:38:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 17464 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 08:38:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=kNWSEQqckC98xp5+lvRFidBFPvpJisExGeUa2lwS6+YVgGmNQJ7gy69HN8yI0hoiJ2mnE80YNce1pLcd60TdDJOyZaLr0anZPdboOd37RixCx0AIfz91ZyQo3rhljUThAYOVG6iNH+qb/L3pbpn7Hx3LHuKtmzvRB4E7deR9OfU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@btinternet.com@86.130.77.141 with login) by smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 08:38:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ovU4VWIVM1kl573RgEmNHDiR7MzAU8SFD8YO6y2RDr43Y5ViHAe04eClGKGrg410xwVZ.nTZuVOQTCQq1gfiEnMa07qpjpms.fcXKXNYkA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <88A15F009F7B44C68AA1DBAF58F1D2AF@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:38:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: NOVICE LF OPERATOR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C8F2F1.29562250" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C8F2F1.29562250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for words of encouragement from the group. I shall be testing and hoping for contacts from next week using my very poor= morse and perhaps some RTTY. The antenna is the best I can fit into a garden 10m square and only 20ft hig= h, so I dont expect any DX. The TX runs at 6w and the best erp I can hope=20= for is 200mW. Location is Biggleswade about 60km North of London, Locator IO92UC 73 Dennis M0JXM ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C8F2F1.29562250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for words of encouragement from the=20 group.
 
I shall be testing and hoping for contacts=20= from=20 next week using my very poor morse and perhaps some RTTY.
 
The antenna is the best I can fit into a ga= rden 10m=20 square and only 20ft high, so I dont expect any DX.   The TX runs=20= at=20 6w and the best erp I can hope for is 200mW.
 
Location is Biggleswade about 60km North of= London,=20 Locator IO92UC
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C8F2F1.29562250-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh11.mx.aol.com (rly-mh11.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.147]) by air-mh01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH014-61b487f0128169; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:22:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh11.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH118-61b487f0128169; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:22:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJOjk-0008QO-TX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:21:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJOjk-0008QF-F4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:21:16 +0100 Received: from smarthost03.mail.mbr-roch.zen.net.uk ([212.23.3.142] helo=smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJOjh-0007zb-GA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:21:16 +0100 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJOje-0004Of-DJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:21:10 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:23:14 +0100 Message-ID: <003c01c8e7e6$5eca7500$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <380-22008741765234876@M2W003.mail2web.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acjn2iWdbngDRnL7SKCbZn0jvKC+igABlfOw Importance: Normal X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [82.68.18.174] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.000 Subject: RE: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + To me the important point that I tried to make in my posting, which has drawn no comment, is the one I made about getting people to write up their experimental work for publication, and specifically that concerning 500kHz. To maintain progress on gaining a long-term allocation around 500kHz we will need to raise the profile nationally and internationally of work undertaken on 500kHz. One way of doing this is to get a few good technical articles written, not just sharing knowledge but encouraging others and providing suitable designs to enable them to join in; good construction articles can do just that.=20 73 John, G3WKL=20 =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD034-b7b4881a9b5209; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:45:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD055-b7b4881a9b5209; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:45:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KK83i-0007PT-Tl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:44:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KK83i-0007PK-8s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:44:54 +0100 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KK83d-0001Cv-Md for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:44:54 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080719084942.LLCQ28496.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:49:42 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.5.254.204]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080719084450.DOSK18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:44:50 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:44:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4881B789.28848.24D949@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Rad Com / critical mass etc Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? David is quite wrong in thinking that any lack of technical articles=20 in RadCom is because the Editor wants a quiet life. There is almost=20 no backlog of construction articles, but many on expeditions etc. I=20 am certain that the Editor would be delighted to receive one on=20 500kHz, or almost any other subject for that matter. The best=20 approach in the first instance is to contact the Technical Editor=20 (and former Acting Ediitor), Giles Read.=20 Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > I think it may have been me who picked up Mal's expression "fizzled=20 > out" and applied it to the technical content, in particular > construction articles, in Rad Com. >=20 > Trying a little more seriously to look at the lack of activity on 500k > and the content of Rad Com, I would say that the two are related. I > can understand how the change in content in our magazine reflects=20 > similar unfortunate changes in other publications. I suspect this is > primarily driven by the desire to cut costs, after all changing to a > news based format allows the editor/s to simply cut and paste > articles from one source into the blank pages which will become a > future Rad Com. As a good example of cut and paste journalism, take > a look at the 'announcement' of Tent Speakers from a company called > 'Blacks' on page 10 of the August edition. You don't have to read > very far into that article to immediately see that it has been lifted > from some piece of advertising junk mail that's arrived at the office. > Heavily and badly edited, it's reduced size leaves out more facts > than it conveys. What for example is an EVA shell? Or come to that > NXT speakers? We'll never know, because that information didn't make > it into the space the editor had to fill. - A really good example of > poor editing and production. It's complete tat. >=20 > So, what's the link to 500k activity? Well, this group largely=20 > consists of very capable individuals who can use a soldering iron and > many of those can actively design equipment of some sort for 500k. > The thing we all lack is time and frequently we like to save those > long designing tasks for something that's right at the top of our > interest agenda. There would undoubtedly be more 500k operators if > tested and widely published designs were available. But we need more > than that. To really kick start 500k, someone needs to produce either=20 > kits or finished modules and that is where RadCom can be vital. In > the =20 > past I have produced designs and kits for 136kHz. The 300W amplifier > kit was one, and the completed ready to go 136kHz preamp, designed by > Dave G3YXM, was another. I was really surprised that although the > preamp was only a handful of components, people would choose to buy > it assembled and tested rather than build it themselves. Somewhere > out there are 150 preamps and 50 300W transmitter kits which must > have had some effect on 136k activity. Unfortunately, it costs quite a > lot to make a kit available. You need minimum order quantities for > PCBs to make it cost effective, and a kit that contains a few inches > of say, 28 SWG wire means you have to buy a reel......and so on and > so on. Having an article published in RadCom was key to making a kit > viable. But now, there are no significant articles being published. > If, I submit an article am I going to be told, we don't do that any > more, or we like most magazines commission articles? >=20 > Basically, last year I looked at 500k as a possible opportunity for=20 > designing a DDS driven transmitter. 100W out, little 2 line LCD, PIC=20 > microcontroller running a DDS. - All fairly straightforward and if run > from 12V, a project that would attract people onto 500k. But the > single reason why that didn't happen was because at the time when I > had the idea, Rad Com hadn't published a single significant > construction article in the previous 12 months. >=20 > It takes about 300 - =A3400 to get something like this started. With no > means of promoting it, those components just sit around selling one > or two every 6 months. The people who buy them arrive at an > uninhabited 500k and mostly give up. It needs a certain momentum to > get it started. If 30 people arrive on the band in a short space of > time, others think, that sounds like fun, I'll join=20 > them and you have sustained interest. > Of course you can just put a design on the web, but then you lose > the=20 > ability to get a 'critical mass' of people on the band. > With RadCom going to a newspaper format with almost zero 'freelance'=20 > technical content, small kit suppliers and individuals are simply > unwilling to take the risk. >=20 > Hope that helps >=20 > David G0MRF >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > In a message dated 17/07/2008 08:22:10 GMT Standard Time, > jwgould@iee.org writes: >=20 > To me the important point that I tried to make in my posting, which > has drawn no comment, is the one I made about getting people to write > up their experimental work for publication, and specifically that > concerning 500kHz. >=20 >=20 > To maintain progress on gaining a long-term allocation around 500kHz > we will need to raise the profile nationally and internationally of > work undertaken on 500kHz. One way of doing this is to get a few > good technical articles written, not just sharing knowledge but > encouraging others and providing suitable designs to enable them to=20 > join in; good construction articles can do just that.=20 >=20 > 73 John, G3WKL >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB012-ad648879d40102; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:06:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB074-ad648879d40102; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:06:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KLlWz-0001Ql-4d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:05:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KLlWy-0001Qc-KB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:05:52 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.74]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KLlWu-0007t0-OX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:05:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 22635 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2008 21:05:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=lj7d5FLkdKmWTSufTioQcFEw0ybWulaZPaqg8j4XqqkuTnt4OSzPT1nThlr9DG3IWGTjtdsyiYWyZWGxOHc4E55ZPpF+i/CinFIOhjebgtxv0AKbWgglZxzfqx9vHbfVjL1p5SvVTIT1zsvlai8Hpi8C3z5muC8LJZ8+E4xfYa4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.29.241 with login) by smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2008 21:05:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NziwerEVM1k3v.po5IRNUMeVbcYTLAftkA.uGcatqhd77p.4EXIsgIg43Cuuen3XZTD2ViU2ORmZvSpz6x4jJ3Ij_HAWYHgYb0E0mpmzPHjwM2C8bXHeWwL2m9go1QP1qLR9ddEkgI32X1.dsK14GNxW X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001701c8ed07$d9f49d20$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <3652E16C8DF5458ABDD4D14CF2537C0A@AGB> <004a01c8eb5e$f72eed00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <18E35B939E2A4A418472A930207A288D@AGB> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:05:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.510,RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=0.327 Subject: LF: Re: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi Graham 500khz crystals are quite difficult to make and certainly you wount fine one in a smaller package than HC6/U as far as I remember. There are some 10X series rocks that were used in one of the frequency calibrators (No 10 I think) They will need chasing up a little with some "scouring powder". I think that is probably the best bet.....good luck finding one...... I have one but its part of my crystal collection so not for sale :-)) I have seen 453.xx kHz crystals in HC6/U but never come across any 500kHz. You could always put a 500kHz ceramic resonator inside an HC6/U case !! Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: LF: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , Pref round 502 KHz , fundamental, needs to be a 'big' one , for a valve oscillator ! I assume hc6u would be ok or bigger , these look to be the right type ! http://hipme.com/weblogs/wa5znu/20050302210827/xtals.jpg Tnx - G .. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md03.mx.aol.com (rly-md03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.141]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD104-8f7488791da3c3; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:17:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD037-8f7488791da3c3; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:17:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KLkjN-0001Gi-IJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:14:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KLkjN-0001GZ-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:14:37 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KLkjJ-0005ak-ON for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:14:37 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 272311C00081 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:14:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.83.11]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id B63B21C00082 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:14:23 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080723201423746.B63B21C00082@mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <18E35B939E2A4A418472A930207A288D@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <3652E16C8DF5458ABDD4D14CF2537C0A@AGB> <004a01c8eb5e$f72eed00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:14:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01C8ED09.12F12020" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C8ED09.12F12020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz ,=20 Pref round 502 KHz , fundamental, needs to be a 'big' one , for a valve=20= oscillator ! I assume hc6u would be ok or bigger , these look to be the right type ! http://hipme.com/weblogs/wa5znu/20050302210827/xtals.jpg Tnx - G ..=20 ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C8ED09.12F12020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looking for  500 Khz xtal unit , any f= req=20 ,  inside 501 504 Khz ,
 
Pref round  502 KHz , fundamental, &nb= sp;needs=20 to  be a 'big' one , for a  valve oscillator  !
 
I assume hc6u would be ok  or bigger&n= bsp;,=20 these look to  be the right type !
 
 
Tnx - G ..
 
------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C8ED09.12F12020-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (rly-ma05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.49]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA072-8ae4884d4792d5; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:25:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA058-8ae4884d4792d5; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:24:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KL03d-0006K5-Hl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:24:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KL03c-0006Jw-U1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:24:24 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-2.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.232] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KL03Y-0007Rl-Up for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:24:24 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8FAKxwhEhOlHUS/2dsb2JhbAATgl+BaoVSmy6JQw Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.117.18]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 19:24:08 +0100 Message-ID: <004a01c8eb5e$f72eed00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <3652E16C8DF5458ABDD4D14CF2537C0A@AGB> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:24:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.166,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz TX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01C8EB67.58AE35B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C8EB67.58AE35B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another DC blockbuilder I presume!!!!!! Thin in the RF arena. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:45 PM Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz TX From: mal hamilton=20 ''''My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled components from the junk box.'''= '' G-I-G-O , proved once again, as we appliance users used to say ,=20 you couldn't make it up ! G .. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C8EB67.58AE35B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
 
Another DC blockbuilder I presume!!!!!! Thi= n in the=20 RF arena.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Graham
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:45 PM=
Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz TX

 

 

''''My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled= =20 components from the junk box.'''''
 
 
G-I-G-O , proved once again, as we applia= nce=20 users used to say ,
 
you couldn't make i= t=20 up !
 
G ..  
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C8EB67.58AE35B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDA092-a644891dccc297; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:40:18 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA044-a644891dccc297; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:39:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOaFo-0006yy-OF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:39:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOaFo-0006yp-Aw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:39:48 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpo-eml01.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.150]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOaFl-0001Gc-E0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:39:48 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml111.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.111]) by cpsmtpo-eml01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:39:40 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml111.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:39:39 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c8f323$a5ebfb50$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: References: <000801c8f313$38a429b0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:39:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 15:39:39.0701 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4F56650:01C8F323] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.103 Subject: Re: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n hi joe, Ilook for your sgnal 24 hours a day henny cpm best 73s ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: Re: LF: 187.375khz > Hi Henny, LF Group. > > The beacon was switched off at 0230 to prevent damage from > an electrical storm. It will resume operation this evening. > Thank-you for monitoring my signals, Henny and others. > Do your receptions coincide with off-times for the high > power broadcast stations? > > Local reception tests were conducted earlier this month and it was > noted that the beacon was audible at distances of 600 km in the > daytime over a water path at 47 north. At higher latitudes > (about 50-55N) Iceland on 189 kHz was quite strong and prevented > aural reception of the beacon. What I found amazing was that > this persisted even during the daytime. Shouldn't E-layer absorption > preclude transatlantic LF propagation at high noon? There must be > something else at play?! > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, henny van elst wrote: > >> hi joe, >> this time nothing seen, >> best 73s >> henny pa3cpm. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME014-9a24880866d3c0; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:03:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME026-9a24880866d3c0; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:02:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJofH-00038j-T5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:02:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJofH-00038a-D6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:02:23 +0100 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com ([192.93.164.29] helo=crawsmail1.uk.thalesgroup.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJofE-0001Je-EZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:02:23 +0100 Received: from crawsmail1.uk.thalesgroup.com (mailsweeper1.int.rdel.co.uk) by crawsmail1.uk.thalesgroup.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.14) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:02:13 +0100 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com (lisc0021.int.rdel.co.uk) by crawsmail1.uk.thalesgroup.com (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:04:43 +0100 Received: from temps153538.tms-ltd.com ([193.150.182.142]) by mail.uk.thalesgroup.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m6IC1iwK003741 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:01:45 +0100 Received: by temps153538.tms-ltd.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <376WSAVM>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:02:12 +0100 Message-ID: <8E8D23D235D70840B6582917DF27898006935B94@temps153538.tms-ltd.com> From: Reeves Paul To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:02:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RADCOM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8E8CE.1A9F1780" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E8CE.1A9F1780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" And for some, spelling lessons...... Paul G8GJA -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net] Sent: 18 July 2008 11:46 To: rsgb Subject: LF: RADCOM Latest copy. In depth discussion about how a resistor should be represented on a cct diagram. Boxes or squiggles !!!!!!!! Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the traditional squiggle for a resistor. It seem some so called designers/engineerts and others have nothing better to do than dream up changes which are not necessary. Also, how did we all manage in the heyday of HF radio with analogue systems, not a DIGI in sight, the world still kept spinning. How about some good RF enigneering and less DC building blocks. It is more challenging to use an old basic rig, ie Collins, Drake etc and enjoy natural communications methods like CW and VOICE (AM or SSB). No complicated digital modes are necessary, just a steady sound CW fist, good symetrical ears and for some elecution lessons !! de G3KEV This email, including any attachment, is a confidential communication intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. It contains information which is private and may be proprietary or covered by legal professional privilege. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender upon receipt, and immediately delete it from your system. Anything contained in this email that is not connected with the businesses of this company is neither endorsed by nor is the liability of this company. Whilst we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this email has been swept for viruses, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses, and would advise that you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E8CE.1A9F1780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And=20 for some, spelling lessons......   
 
Paul    G8GJA
-----Original Message-----
From: mal hamilton=20 [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net]
Sent: 18 July 2008=20 11:46
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: RADCOM
Latest copy.
In depth discussion about how a resistor=20= should=20 be represented on a cct diagram.
Boxes or squiggles !!!!!!!!
Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocy= cles,=20 condensers, and the traditional squiggle for a resistor. It seem some so=20 called designers/engineerts and others have nothing better to do than drea= m up=20 changes which are not necessary.
Also, how did we all manage in the heyday= of HF=20 radio with analogue systems, not a DIGI in sight, the world still kept=20 spinning.
How about some good RF enigneering and le= ss DC=20 building blocks.
It is more challenging to use an old basi= c rig,=20 ie Collins, Drake etc and enjoy natural communications methods like CW and= =20 VOICE (AM or SSB).
No complicated digital modes are necessar= y, just=20 a steady sound CW fist, good symetrical ears and for some elecution lesson= s=20 !!
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E8CE.1A9F1780-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD024-b5c4884acb573; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:35:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD016-b5c4884acb573; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:35:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKxPM-0005k1-Jj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:34:40 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKxPM-0005js-0Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:34:40 +0100 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.168]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKxPJ-0003ko-9u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:34:39 +0100 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so1073176wfa.16 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:34:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=nwqaxPsOQQ16/a2XHQfWUxTh1579qUmTv695GtvzHoU=; b=d2K85rsC0QOsA6RHKNRT+W/vXSQHQGWhQSVT+v0CXl+O98U8D1MEAuYNXCQuWAkihB zL+l5VS+edLY3M6dHv69ejP1QFasJ2i2jIHnswu9FB04Z0CwgPssYBUZ1YH3fWylGrtW cF801KEJ2+g5zPOFt1ZPqryjoE3By4tJ9vkzs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=knb+fV2Qj3v+6+eQTQGHwS0BZAbJ04TeScg4VU5oTiUn/JvJdeQ8i7WWQJPiwZGK/3 6APqeTctnPVSLXXbY32wuYSp4yph3elDL1rNlZxM1L5Y5TrSIgN6SetIsswRMRUVWBz7 knd8OUgG90ewQLf75LVUE+jeMCa1GkPpA/vQ4= Received: by 10.142.153.8 with SMTP id a8mr1380310wfe.316.1216654473643; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.233.5 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48ff10040807210834v58d6be30sf2424ec4f2d5af25@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:33 -0400 From: "Mitch Buchman" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <002901c8eb29$b39ce6d0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <002901c8eb29$b39ce6d0$6401a8c0@asus> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) How is this different from an eggbeater or turnstile antenna, that is often used at VHF? http://pagesperso-orange.fr/on6wg/Doc/Antenne%20Eggbeater-Engl-Part1-Full.pdf and ARRL Radio Amateur Satellite Handbook 1st ed, p10-16 Mitch KB3MYC On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Andy, LF, > > You wrote :- > > "Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre line > but at right angles to each other so there should be no coupling > between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and > resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original > value." > > I have been pondering about something similar as I have problems remotely > rotating yet another antenna. > > My idea is to make the loops in the same way as you describe but feed the 2 > loops to the two inputs of a balanced pre-amp like the G3LNP loop pre-amp > shown in the "LF Experimenters Handbook" > > What are your thoughts on that please. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot > Sent: 21 July 2008 12:30 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Loop Conundrum > > Was pondering this while out walking the other day, and couldn't come > to a satisfactory conclusion either way... > > A small magnetic loop mounted vertically has a defined radiation > resistance that is a function of its diameter, a loss that is function > of its conductor and hence a loss or efficiency that is the ratio of > the two. It is resonated with a good quality vacuum capacitor, and > fed/matched by any suitable metrhod. Lets also leave aside all the > myth and folklore about small loops, and also ignore the environment > for now. It also as a radiation pattern with nulls. > > Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre > line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling > between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and > resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original > value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled > in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. > > BUT... > What is the resulting change in efficiency? > > Argument 1: > Two identical loops = two times the loss R, but also two times the > radiation resistance (since they don't couple) so net efficiency > remains the same. > > Argument 2 : > Chu-Harrington relates efficiency / Q / bandwidth / volume enclosed. > Therefore, as the enclosed volume has increased, the effciency ought > to rise. > > Both arguments developed little side trendrils & thoughts as I walked > and pondered, and both appear valid in their own way. So > the floor is open for discussion :- > > And where does the net radiation pattern fit into the equation? Does > it, at all ? > -- > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > > ps. Fascinating paper on EMP btw. - I was up way past midnight last > night reading it. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD091-b66488ca57711b; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:42:46 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD028-b66488ca57711b; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:42:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KN9Hx-0006Nl-S5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:40:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KN9Hx-0006Nc-7G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:40:05 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpo-eml04.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.153]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KN9Hu-0005rw-Gt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:40:05 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml109.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.109]) by cpsmtpo-eml04.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:39:56 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml109.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:39:56 +0200 Message-ID: <001601c8f007$6761f750$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:39:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2008 16:39:56.0796 (UTC) FILETIME=[67434BC0:01C8F007] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8F018.29A15760" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8F018.29A15760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi joe, nothing seen on the screen today henny pa3cpm gl 73s ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8F018.29A15760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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henny pa3cpm
gl 73s
= ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8F018.29A15760-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD104-91f487e790312e; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:41:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD087-91f487e790312e; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:41:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJFfe-0007cq-Hg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:40:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJFfd-0007ch-PR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:40:25 +0100 Received: from imo-m12.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.100] helo=imo-m12.mail.aol.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJFfa-0000mQ-S4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:40:25 +0100 Received: from GandalfG8@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id l.c94.352dd052 (30740) for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: GandalfG8@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:40:12 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1216248012" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + -------------------------------1216248012 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 16/07/2008 22:13:58 GMT Daylight Time, alan.melia@btinternet.com writes: Radcom is not the only "Journal" to suffer the attack of the "designers" Electronics World has had the same tacky "make-over" ..... ------------- Hi Alan I was reflecting after posting my comments that perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned individuals by name, but that it would have been difficult to make my point without it being obvious anyway as to whom I was referring. I reflected too on the "demise" experienced by Wireless World or whatever they called it at the the time. I'd comment on great minds thinking alike but, of course, am far too modest for that:-) Joking apart, it was a sadly similar scenario of a once excellent technical publication sinking into insignificance with, yet again, some unfortunate editorial choices. I remember one new editor seeming to take pride in his lack of electronic knowledge but wanting to encourage what he saw as Wireless World's reputation for inciting "controversy". It didn't seem to occur to his limited editorial brain that Wireless World, as was anyway, didn't encourage controversy but rather didn't discourage the free exchange of ideas. As you so rightly point out, WW has sunk to the level of an expensive nothingness. Are we to conclude that RadCom is headed in the same direction? regards Nigel GM8PZR -------------------------------1216248012 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 16/07/2008 22:13:58 GMT Daylight Time,=20 alan.melia@btinternet.com writes:
Radcom=20 is not the only "Journal" to suffer
the attack of the "designers"=20 Electronics World has had the same tacky
"make-over"=20 .....
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Hi Alan
 
I was reflecting after posting my comments that perhaps I shouldn't hav= e=20 mentioned individuals by name, but that it would have been difficult to make= my=20 point without it being obvious anyway as to whom I was referring.
 
I reflected too on the "demise" experienced by Wire= less=20 World or whatever they called it at the the time.
I'd comment on great minds thinking alike but, of course, am far too mo= dest=20 for that:-)
 
Joking apart, it was a sadly similar scenario of a once excellent techn= ical=20 publication sinking into insignificance with, yet again, some unfortunate=20 editorial choices.
I remember one new editor seeming to take pride in his lack of electron= ic=20 knowledge but wanting to encourage what he saw as Wireless World's reputatio= n=20 for inciting "controversy".
It didn't seem to occur to his limited editorial brain that Wireless Wo= rld,=20 as was anyway, didn't encourage controversy but rather didn't discourage the= =20 free exchange of ideas.
 
As you so rightly point out, WW has sunk to the level of an expensive=20 nothingness.
Are we to conclude that RadCom is headed in the same direction?
 
regards
 
Nigel
GM8PZR
 
 
-------------------------------1216248012-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh01.mx.aol.com (rly-mh01.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.137]) by air-mh01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH011-bb54880b23c3a4; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:10:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH015-bb54880b23c3a4; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:09:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJraX-0004Si-Gk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:09:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJraX-0004SZ-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:09:41 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJraU-0003H6-BQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:09:41 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAK9OgEhOkJ5h/2dsb2JhbACEW6pN Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.158.97]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 16:09:26 +0100 Message-ID: <004901c8e8e8$462892e0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <003001c8e8e1$75c37ad0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:09:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Very widespread non use of metric weights and measures How about all the different spoken/written languages in the world. This is where CW operators have an advantage using internationnal Q and Z codes plus other international abbreviationns and procedures also used by the marine and aeronautical services. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derry Hamilton" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM > 2008/7/18 mal hamilton : >> The majority of far east countries do not use the metric system, nor does >> the middle east for weights and measures >> G3KEV > > While there may be widespread usage of non-metric units, with the > exception of Mayanmar, the entire far and middle east has officially > adopted SI. > > GM4FH > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE073-4d9487b9cf6156; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:37:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE056-4d9487b9cf6156; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:37:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KISvG-0002mu-38 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:37:18 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KISvF-0002ml-Fh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:37:17 +0100 Received: from web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.123]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KISvF-00082z-90 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:37:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 18693 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2008 18:37:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=hMz1y+MBtdpTw18efnndc7+bhyRGfrlwP/DZs1z+7aRM292tLyZJ56myWEsHGO9Bi2SzMRV29sPic9HtcjaVpkcNke5n/QOPxEu9jXez5SbGEQFghLS7f0KRe7RUucOyKvX2YFKoK+DFqNtkpzVqBdqACqrO1fsbNenGOYNwoEA=; Received: from [86.166.79.243] by web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:37:10 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:37:10 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <466129.18591.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1123945169-1216060630=:18591" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n --0-1123945169-1216060630=:18591 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All =C2=A0 Congratulations Chris on your 500 QSOs on 500kc/s and was delighted to be th= e 499th. =C2=A0 Thanks for being on the band so often and putting up with my doubtfull CW!!! =C2=A0 73petefmt --- On Mon, 14/7/08, Graham wrote: From: Graham Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Monday, 14 July, 2008, 6:39 PM #yiv713413383 v\:* {} #yiv713413383 o\:* {} #yiv713413383 w\:* {} #yiv713413383 .shape {} Chris, =C2=A0 500 qso's ? didn't think =C2=A0there was that much rtty on the band ..hihi..= =20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Graham ..=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:24 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Chris, =C2=A0 Well done, heard you up here also but not really strong. =C2=A0 Gary =E2=80=93 G4WGT. =C2=A0 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of Chris Osborn Sent: 13 July 2008 21:25 To: LF Group Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO =C2=A0 LF / MF There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz today permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band. Stations worked:- 496=C2=A0 G3DXZ=C2=A0=20 497=C2=A0 G3UNT=C2=A0=20 498=C2=A0 G3ZWH=C2=A0=20 499=C2=A0 M0FMT=C2=A0=20 500=C2=A0 G3XPU=C2=A0=20 73 Chris G3XIZ =C2=A0 Not happy with your email address?=20 Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now=20= at Yahoo!No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: 7/13/2008 1= 7:58 __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now=20= at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html --0-1123945169-1216060630=:18591 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All

 

Congratulations Chris on your 500 QSOs on 500kc/s and was delighted to be= the 499th.

 

Thanks for being on the band so often and putting up with my doubtfull CW= !!!

 

73petefmt

--- On Mon, 14/7/08, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.= co.uk> wrote:

From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject= : Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Dat= e: Monday, 14 July, 2008, 6:39 PM

Chris,
 
500 qso's ? didn't think  there was th= at much rtty on the band ..hihi..
 
 
Graham ..
 
 
 
 

Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:24 PM
Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO

Chr= is,

&nb= sp;

Wel= l done, heard you up here also but not really strong.

&nb= sp;

Gar= y =E2=80=93 G4WGT.

&nb= sp;

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Chris Osborn
Sent: 13 July 2008 21:25
To: LF Group
Subje= ct: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO

 

LF / MF

There was a reasonable amount of activity on= 500 kHz today
permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band.
Stations worked:-

496  G3DXZ 
497  G3UNT  <= BR>498  G3ZWH 
499  M0FMT 
500  G3XPU =

73
Chris G3XIZ

 

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Get the one you=20 really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! --0-1123945169-1216060630=:18591-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de10.mx.aol.com (rly-de10.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.146]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE082-50648847346145; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:30:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE101-50648847346145; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:30:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKtaF-0004Lb-AX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:29:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKtaE-0004LS-Tj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:29:38 +0100 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.157]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKtaC-00036j-1w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:29:38 +0100 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so432580ywk.64 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:29:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=t+LyXAW+7hW6PnmYHCUlUTc2J1HDavdIsfcA7O6vlUc=; b=szkrdKaCwVhkH3qMTsf7gIjIDbkXI4GoNFJM5ffhx2h79uFjf3y9D9mB7g20Z5XKAk CjmHbk6CymnQcnolxccPM0g8L1X3C/y/qKgUA0fJSUngwU9fiCAikwu4Ihx+qzYeiTdF iSWCMQ7wvSwXSOmjtH1udt7pdeYHVEvbK+/ZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=J25hWCn9VgftL3nk///gseqwWClQwCMLAPHaq9yQOTgsN1w4kdpgSBkvX16OJ2bOfO 6mYRmUWVG15b9tDZgEgIpKTs39hn2dmuw5hzwSma/z3OcVTaEBhhjfQefUBSNFHtPKaH lsD5WIfGJ+4Ex/PQmZnQMjySLTFFZo/B/SrIg= Received: by 10.150.148.19 with SMTP id v19mr3640891ybd.240.1216639773585; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.50.21 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:29:33 +0100 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Was pondering this while out walking the other day, and couldn't come to a satisfactory conclusion either way... A small magnetic loop mounted vertically has a defined radiation resistance that is a function of its diameter, a loss that is function of its conductor and hence a loss or efficiency that is the ratio of the two. It is resonated with a good quality vacuum capacitor, and fed/matched by any suitable metrhod. Lets also leave aside all the myth and folklore about small loops, and also ignore the environment for now. It also as a radiation pattern with nulls. Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. BUT... What is the resulting change in efficiency? Argument 1: Two identical loops = two times the loss R, but also two times the radiation resistance (since they don't couple) so net efficiency remains the same. Argument 2 : Chu-Harrington relates efficiency / Q / bandwidth / volume enclosed. Therefore, as the enclosed volume has increased, the effciency ought to rise. Both arguments developed little side trendrils & thoughts as I walked and pondered, and both appear valid in their own way. So the floor is open for discussion :- And where does the net radiation pattern fit into the equation? Does it, at all ? -- Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt ps. Fascinating paper on EMP btw. - I was up way past midnight last night reading it. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG083-a1e4884609e327; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:11:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG068-a1e4884609e327; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:10:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKsLO-00049V-Iy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:10:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKsLL-00049M-U0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:10:11 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-1.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.231] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKsLI-0001CO-2d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:10:11 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArcFAOH8g0hZ8o7X/2dsb2JhbAATgi0ygWqDbYFbCpoHiQo Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.142.215]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 11:10:00 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:09:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 khz TX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8EB22.50A38BD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8EB22.50A38BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled components from the junk box. 1940 xtal in osc IC osc chip/IC divider chip/IC driver chip/FET PA class E, then on the drain= side 1940's ceramic inductor (tinned copper wire) out of a TU5B tuning unit, 1950= 's tube TV line output core, rewound for impedence matching FET/50 ohms. LPF using unmarked cores similar to FT200 type. FET out of an old marine tx 1960's vintage.=20 CCT board for chips reworked from an old pre used board. Ferrite chokes in V + line from old smpu, decoupling capacitors and misc it= ems, small heatsink and fan from junk box. Psu for chips 12 regulated, ex surplus Psu for FET rebuilt using ex surplus high capacity capacitors, not regulated The finished package looks neat and tidy and is totally reliable, and no SMO= KE The secret to avoid smoke in class E is to get the FET drain matching netwo= rk spot on to avoid voltage/current spikes during switching. If designed pro= perly you will be in the ball park and just need minor adjustments ie adjust= ing coil tappings while making observations on a 'scope. =20 I used components that I had lying around in junk boxes and the cost was NIL= . This is the TX that I used on 500 khz to work VE1ZZ and RW3ADB on normal CW. 73 De Mal/G3KEV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8EB22.50A38BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled compo= nents=20 from the junk box.
 
1940 xtal in osc
 
IC osc chip/IC divider chip/IC driver chip/= FET PA=20 class E, then on the drain side
 
1940's ceramic inductor (tinned copper=20 wire) out of a TU5B tuning unit, 1950's tube TV line output c= ore,=20 rewound for impedence matching FET/50 ohms.
 
LPF using unmarked cores similar to=20 FT200 type.
 
FET out of an old marine tx 1960's vintage.= =20
 
CCT board for chips reworked from an old pr= e used=20 board.
 
Ferrite chokes in V +  line from=20= old=20 smpu, decoupling capacitors and misc items, small heatsink and fan from junk= =20 box.
 
Psu for chips 12 regulated, ex surplus
 
Psu for FET rebuilt using ex surplus high c= apacity=20 capacitors, not regulated
 
The finished package looks neat and tidy an= d is=20 totally reliable, and no SMOKE
 
The secret to avoid smoke in class=20 E  is to get the FET drain matching network spot on to avoid=20 voltage/current spikes during switching. If designed properly you will=20= be=20 in the ball park and just need minor adjustments ie adjusting coil=20 tappings while making observations on a 'scope.
 
I used components that I had lying around i= n junk=20 boxes and the cost was NIL.
 
This is the TX that I used on 500 khz to wo= rk VE1ZZ=20 and RW3ADB on normal CW.
 
73 De Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8EB22.50A38BD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh04.mx.aol.com (rly-mh04.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.140]) by air-mh01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH011-bc9486a7490330; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:16:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH041-bc9486a7490330; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:16:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KDkNw-0008SS-Cl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:15:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KDkNv-0008SJ-VQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:15:23 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-4.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.234] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KDkNs-00051x-Pn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:15:23 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArJFAIwQakhOkLWzPGdsb2JhbACIXoJqhl8BAQEBLaBQ Received: from unknown (HELO g3kev) ([78.144.181.179]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 01 Jul 2008 19:15:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c8dba6$62a03620$0301a8c0@g3kev> From: "mal" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:13:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: -1000: uceprotect.blacklist: if-match(0) => return-bad(1.0) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 6 - 600m Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi all 600 m nil 6m wide open all around EU and Russia. Lots of sporadic E Some SSB and lots of CW De Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME052-9e14880d06113f; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:18:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME105-9e14880d06113f; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:18:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJtb4-0004wy-Ik for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:18:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJtb4-0004wp-7A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:18:22 +0100 Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.3] helo=imo-m22.mail.aol.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJtb1-0004Vq-Il for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:18:22 +0100 Received: from GandalfG8@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id l.ce3.36181d86 (42809) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:18:09 -0400 (EDT) From: GandalfG8@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:18:09 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: KEEP GOING Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1216401488" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + -------------------------------1216401488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/07/2008 18:16:38 GMT Daylight Time, g3kevmal@talktalk.net writes: MF and LF are virtually dead and I thought the reflector had gone the same way, I was wrong, just give you boys some ammunition and there are ATTACKS and counter ATTACKS. 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In a message dated 18/07/2008 18:16:38 GMT Daylight Time,=20 g3kevmal@talktalk.net writes:
MF and LF are virtuall= y dead and I thought the reflector had=20 gone the same way, I was wrong,  just give you boys some ammunition a= nd=20 there are ATTACKS and counter ATTACKS. Keep it=20 up
LOL
 -------------------------------1216401488-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB013-ac04888de6d204; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:57:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB046-ac04888de6d204; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:56:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KM6v9-0004So-SW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:56:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KM6v9-0004Sf-Bx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:56:15 +0100 Received: from smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.72]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KM6v5-0007V7-Aa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:56:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 92997 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2008 19:56:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance:In-Reply-To; b=D9T7iVKMoKcAAc9qTjikV4lYHDjxthEKMy10DBAlqgTdfJqaIzmo6x6LnLZBTvAb12JIrRTCMrF6FKXgxkFkjQ/cF2HnySL8Ir0g8xaBgQinmFvPjIw/yX+9QTExW32THqsyU8sNPydI2MeWbCjTMc2Mi4f9QYF2PRVNyz+A+Us= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.141.122.190 with login) by smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2008 19:56:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 71ba2M8VM1nQj2SHU3jN6M2wq58GMCPBlLHx1bacNmSxc.CXDotqAVEjZnNE5PmnYbsTRvULLl8yU3Q5dDrdH869QWskSXXSnLEP6BLraRhTBR0UY2oyJnGeajwjUEU- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:57:11 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004101c8edc4$b4bc9590$6401a8c0@asus> X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: RE: 600m Info Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Steve, LF, I agree with Gary about the M0BMU LF Tuning meter. It works fine without modification although you will probably have to re-calibrate the Antenna Current part - mine reads low on 500 kHz. Getting going on 600m is pretty easy compared with 2200m - the major hurdle in the UK seem to be the need to apply for a Notice of Variation to one's UK license. Here are some useful 500 Khz resources:- http://www.gm4slv.org.uk/tx.htm http://www.wireless.org.uk/geton501.htm Mike G3XDV has produced a book that contains 600m info - check out the RSGB bookshop. And there is plenty of expertise to be found on this reflector as well! 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windor SE England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 24 July 2008 20:37 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 600m Info Steve, LF, Re: "Scopematch" I built the "LF Tuning Meter" from Jim M0BMU for 136 KHz & I now use it for 500 KHz & it works just as well. Quoting from the article :- "This LF tuning meter was conceived to perform the same function, but to be a simple, self-contained unit requiring no additional power supply." http://www.picks.plus.com/software/LFtunemeter.pdf Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve McDonald Sent: 24 July 2008 18:59 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 600m Info Are there any web sites devoted to 600m circuits etc? I am aware of the U.S. group one as well as G3YMC's page and N4ICK's tx design, but perhaps there are others as well? Several of the 2200m experimental licencees have just been asked to submit formal proposals for 600m experimental permits here in Canada so things are starting to look positive but I have no idea of the timeline. Just in case, I thought I had better get the soldering iron warmed-up once again, not that it has ever really cooled-off. Also...does anyone know how well the M0MBU scope match circuit (that works so wonderfully-well on 2200m) performs on 600m without any modification? Steve / VE7SL Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINME072-9b24892137694; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:33:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME046-9b24892137694; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:33:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOdsk-0007Th-Qg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:32:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOdsk-0007TY-Cc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:32:14 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOdsh-0004iA-Ie for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:32:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 80939 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 19:32:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=5AKc/d+ghd+uMhAVU6GWR1t93o1Sc0Ryd/X8w8E9SSLmfmZEeOdKyOoF50hrI3KJTL5dT2Ez6pC7JTVyqkJdbeVeGemALg/ZIKR5ZVqEbDRgm9NNVUy3eLPcmAPveeMMMAIO9w6g712RReSl3c7X4VGN/x5V4rlOMRZ+5urFBaM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.56.69 with login) by smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 19:32:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xUrPfd4VM1nbH7kdh8xTmacF_N0ax.l.UlTCXA4JHzTvXTzMdgi4_GRDVdrmD6tjwFjQJG67A6VfLqvMXDF1dgpKoVJHi3Fe5xgcNvE9i5JVRXBTUyQqlaMX.EsmPX9d4vs- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <003001c8f344$1d6bf840$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <000801c8f313$38a429b0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:26:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi Joe my guess is at extreme daytime range you are getting D-layer returns at this time of year. The D-layer is quite highly ionised in summer daytime, and you are way out of ground wave range at that power. LF signals usually have enough strength to survive one reflection in daytime at grazing incidence (minimum pennetration of the absorbing layer) There is a characteristic "Dome" shape to the signal plot in daytime with a peak when the sun is overhead at mid-path. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: LF: 187.375khz > Hi Henny, LF Group. > > The beacon was switched off at 0230 to prevent damage from > an electrical storm. It will resume operation this evening. > Thank-you for monitoring my signals, Henny and others. > Do your receptions coincide with off-times for the high > power broadcast stations? > > Local reception tests were conducted earlier this month and it was > noted that the beacon was audible at distances of 600 km in the > daytime over a water path at 47 north. At higher latitudes > (about 50-55N) Iceland on 189 kHz was quite strong and prevented > aural reception of the beacon. What I found amazing was that > this persisted even during the daytime. Shouldn't E-layer absorption > preclude transatlantic LF propagation at high noon? There must be > something else at play?! > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, henny van elst wrote: > > > hi joe, > > this time nothing seen, > > best 73s > > henny pa3cpm. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA044-a70487a3b6d2e9; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:29:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA058-a70487a3b6d2e9; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:29:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KI5LR-0006r9-JT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:26:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KI5LP-0006r0-0R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:26:43 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KI5LL-0008EI-9F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:26:42 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiBWAP/XeUhZ8YuQPGdsb2JhbAATgjAvgWqEE4EnCogDAQEBAS2LLolK Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.241.139.144]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2008 18:26:32 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c8e50d$97ee46d0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:26:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8E515.F923B540" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8E515.F923B540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable de test=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8E515.F923B540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8E515.F923B540-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (rly-ma01.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.44]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA084-88e488382691f0; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:22:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA018-88e488382691f0; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:22:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKdY4-0002gJ-9d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:22:20 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKdY3-0002gA-PE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:22:19 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.52]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKdY0-0004wb-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:22:19 +0100 X-Trace: 50204213/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.75.140.173 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.75.140.173 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: daves_shack@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAK8eg0hPS4yt/2dsb2JhbACtIA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,219,1215385200"; d="scan'208";a="50204213" Received: from 79-75-140-173.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO SN046981320192) ([79.75.140.173]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 19:22:08 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01c8ea95$8422d0c0$0200a8c0@SN046981320192> From: "Dave G4GED" To: References: , <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM>, <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <001901c8ea7c$5c51fb20$0401a8c0@lindavideo> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:22:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: LF RadCom Articles Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + Ken, I just had to congratulate you. State of the art technology it may not be but it's tops for State of the art Ingenuity.! It works dosn't it and we're in this for amusement arn't we? Thats what matters. Well Done, I say.! 73 Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: LF: Re: LF RadCom Articles > Hello All LFers > I just thought that I would add my two pennyworth to the debate regarding > RadCom 500kHz constructional articles. There must be many of us who design > and build our own equipment, but do not submit it for possible publication > because, state of the art technology it is not, the design is not > particularly elegant, and the Technical Editor and the more accomplished > contributors would fall over laughing when they saw it. But most of these > projects are practical and they work. I work on the KISS (Keep It Simple > Stupid) principle, don't use three components when one will work just as > well. My 500kHz TX does not have any fancy CW sidetone circuit on > transmit, just a piezo buzzer wired across the keyed 12v line to the > driver board, the most complicated bit is the LCL output stage, which > delivers 23W into a 50ohm dummy load and 900mA up the antenna, the TX/RX > switching is like the old days, a simple toggle switch. > On the subject of circuit symbols, for the Admiralty, resistors had to > have a set number of points on the zig zag, wires crossed using bridges, > and capacitors were called Jars. > I am now preparing to travel to China to view the Total Solar Eclipse on > the 1st of August, when I return I expect to find messages calling for me > to be burnt at the stake for such heresy. > > 73 > > Ken Wright > M0KHW > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Dennison" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:48 AM > Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom > > >> As Managing Editor of RadCom in the 1990s (and having worked in the >> RadCom office as a freelance temp for several months recently) I can >> confirm the comments by Rik and Alan that the content is very much >> governed by what members send in. The Editor is always desperate for >> good (preferably simple) construction articles, but very few are >> submitted despite numerous requests. Efforts have been made to >> include regular construction columns, such as the excellent new one >> by Andy, G4JNT. >> >> A specialist interest column is included only when an individual is >> prepared to write it regularly. Thanks to Dave, G3YXM, LF is >> represented. Perhaps someone from the satellite fraternity could make >> a similar commitment. >> >> There was a good response when I asked for 500kHz construction >> projects for my book LF Today. There should be no shortage of >> potential contributors to RadCom on this subject. You even get paid >> for your troubles. >> >> Solution. Don't grumble here (waste of time). Instead write to the >> Editor with your views. Better still, offer to write a column or one- >> off construction article. >> >> Mike, G3XDV >> =========== >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF083-9444880eb02201; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:12:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF022-9444880eb02201; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:12:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJvMy-0005IX-2Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:11:56 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJvMx-0005IO-L3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:11:55 +0100 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.173]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJvMu-0002eH-QN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:11:55 +0100 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so263651wfa.16 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:11:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=MWJADR6SayEeeR0+qXw50uPPUBRlD4zCWAlJ9wONDxo=; b=kK3TG9UBLNQlXXx4Sxm3xWU+wt65/hA7HaLqCpAFrgh6WHR+rCyMW2gJ2brQyK2diC +0jWAdNyGjnI583RIZ/qK9qlrjYqSOgupXk9nJu/C3zANmEUE+D3tkU+682Tsxx5nLic RqrgS7ODEPuyhVGbD4HZxC/oJeGDs2MSaxiow= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Iqvg5BGgbf1AqgYbBfD1KaTtusRV6rNG2cou2LKXTmsr60tTPCJQMZT7NoqbsqdZ7g 85igAQnLyNr3cJLgGhIevqmdpa1Pf7b0/xkfaWKM4ZMWUNvTLDqxpgVp4Fw72DGHXXAo /0XIr0k2V5uQNDt63Sf737tp+u+wX8OGrpwfQ= Received: by 10.142.127.10 with SMTP id z10mr169762wfc.263.1216408306739; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.37.10 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <57a24ca70807181211v7b97fec8u4cbbdd7a1ac0a609@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:11:46 -0400 From: "Warren Ziegler" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001101c8e8c8$f0665280$0b01a8c0@weazle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001101c8e8c8$f0665280$0b01a8c0@weazle> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Tube amplifier website Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) J.B, Go to: http://www.wireless.org.uk/gallery/gallerlf.htm Scroll down to the picture LX1PD's tube amplifier and click on the picture, you will be able to get the schematic etc in zipped form. 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:25 AM, J. B. Weazle McCreath wrote: > Hello LFers, > > I've somehow lost the URL to a site which featured a multi-tube, > untuned RF amplifier for the 136-137 kHz. band. Can anyone > on this list point me in the right direction to it? Tnx in advance. > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL > Solar and wind powered > Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 > EN93dr > > http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle > > > > > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA104-a6848808bd15d; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:26:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA048-a6848808bd15d; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:25:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJp17-0003G0-TD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:24:57 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJp17-0003Fr-80 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:24:57 +0100 Received: from fish2.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.163]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJp12-0007cL-Nc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:24:56 +0100 Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.137.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.137]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 2631D3D2CC8 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.137.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.137]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca with SMTP id vj7eYOeNdLz0AZ0h for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101c8e8c8$f0665280$0b01a8c0@weazle> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:25:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Tube amplifier website Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + Hello LFers, I've somehow lost the URL to a site which featured a multi-tube, untuned RF amplifier for the 136-137 kHz. band. Can anyone on this list point me in the right direction to it? Tnx in advance. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 EN93dr http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG082-a0c4887a86b75; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:54:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG046-a0c4887a86b75; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:53:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KLmH9-0001mL-LX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:53:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KLmH9-0001mC-8A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:53:35 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KLmH6-0006KH-9K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:53:35 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 920921C00081 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:53:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.83.11]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id D7F1F1C00088 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:53:21 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080723215321884.D7F1F1C00088@mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <3652E16C8DF5458ABDD4D14CF2537C0A@AGB> <004a01c8eb5e$f72eed00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <18E35B939E2A4A418472A930207A288D@AGB> <001701c8ed07$d9f49d20$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:53:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Ok Alan Its been a long time since i used anything like this ! , used to watch G3SX etching xtal's with a bath of hydrofloric acid and a bc221 , think FT840 or something like that or 480 , small unit that the front plate came off . ive edge ground them on a finishing oil stone , never used vim , dose that remove side bands ? :) Any 'big' rock will do , I think I have a 500 Khz unit , which would grind 'hf' but would not like to make a mess of it , better , see if I can find one 'in band' size is not a problem ... Tnx - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan Melia" Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:05 PM To: Subject: LF: Re: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , > Hi Graham 500khz crystals are quite difficult to make and certainly you > wount fine one in a smaller package than HC6/U as far as I remember. There > are some 10X series rocks that were used in one of the frequency > calibrators > (No 10 I think) They will need chasing up a little with some "scouring > powder". I think that is probably the best bet.....good luck finding > one...... I have one but its part of my crystal collection so not for sale > :-)) > > I have seen 453.xx kHz crystals in HC6/U but never come across any 500kHz. > You could always put a 500kHz ceramic resonator inside an HC6/U case !! > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:14 PM > Subject: LF: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz > , > > > Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , > > Pref round 502 KHz , fundamental, needs to be a 'big' one , for a > valve > oscillator ! > > I assume hc6u would be ok or bigger , these look to be the right type ! > > http://hipme.com/weblogs/wa5znu/20050302210827/xtals.jpg > > Tnx - G .. > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 > 13:31 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG092-a2648917e522c2; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:57:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG078-a2648917e522c2; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:56:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOTxk-000604-Aw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:56:44 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOTxj-0005zv-TE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:56:43 +0100 Received: from qb-out-1314.google.com ([72.14.204.171]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOTxf-0001sg-M6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:56:43 +0100 Received: by qb-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id e10so478056qbe.32 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:56:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:date:mime-version :subject:message-id:priority:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-description:sender; bh=YBkicO00KrV/VOd8UBp8PYCeacq8dQpToeDE5cZ19Bo=; b=gs5+V5BnRev8oQh2T3AR7FYX2k8PwLwuxxNkfvexsS51LLhiKHagGOaMTm6m/CuwaU XshOyvv8ksIDlrFvAFnSQtBrBs3KO3nwuoFYq2Yre6Wqq02HxnRAb0F2QmdUvr/rZM4n +8rfCBIGZ8juYzYbDyrScY1Xg4BtLWbR/sTcs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:date:mime-version:subject:message-id:priority:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-description:sender; b=n5FsT8Rn2dTQNvd2B1Pg7jgJExWtTeZwRo4lFQRUo1XMbTP9P75gNuGn6afzb3K6h8 a878rev7emcEonCqBrxS/zL2X9GirgRH/eUjjaQpHXYuZSdnNW1+wQSK+GpP+Z9/fuCT 9LU0v2eTTHaKuIbQbKCqY5vxlbZDGnh4OlqIQ= Received: by 10.210.144.3 with SMTP id r3mr3939085ebd.56.1217494597049; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.5? ( [86.149.242.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q9sm4886707gve.5.2008.07.31.01.56.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:56:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:56:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <48918C50.22493.BDB0CA@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <88A15F009F7B44C68AA1DBAF58F1D2AF@DennisPC> References: <88A15F009F7B44C68AA1DBAF58F1D2AF@DennisPC> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: NOVICE LF OPERATOR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n On 31 Jul 2008 at 9:38, DENNIS EASTERLING wrote: > Location is Biggleswade about 60km North of London, Locator IO92UC Ah I guess you will be able to work Chris G3XIZ!! If you have not done so yet, have a look at my MF pages - http://www.davesergeant.com/mf to see what you can do in a garden about your size. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df10.mx.aol.com (rly-df10.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.23]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-585487f1de037a; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:24:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF108-585487f1de037a; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:24:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJQeg-0000YK-V2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:10 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJQeg-0000YB-GQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:10 +0100 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJQee-0004Yg-0n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:10 +0100 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q7so931465uge.13 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:24:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=QNUFEIUySWFrZs803b08o/T0o6r4F0iZVgEou8MoonE=; b=uq4dRozGsR53CbtWDUb1XCYSCvQc4+FA9/DZyJmWeflAsF79HSS5Ltk7y6s5eD/CpX XG4+rpWP6nTRpqHdZjR9rzOOUj/HwBOCggRl3IDlbyxF8m0mtZoEWv6xtBjD9UbQZ7mk JnHdK2CGwrFwfvtLLdskYPQpJozqRhrJbWEWg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=n/Xg6VJFWc88mQJ2XgG3RJmwRj1TYocBRoCnmGJnvHsJ+3p7IJqB1hDRxn7YHrzAMO WIs3Eyjmqy6ZJ1q3FSufVUJmY6CV+u96wmb2MiljhZ3BqUXlD9jcIQBDeQnxyuKo9vjL uxquJ8buCIqMXg3v52830no+0t+fDBasOpZZk= Received: by 10.210.125.7 with SMTP id x7mr993843ebc.45.1216290246792; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.110.2 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:06 +0100 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Two pijnts... 1) Satellites Having just joined Amsat (because I felt I 'ought' to) I'm less than impressed with a) Oscar News which has had no technical content in the two issues so far received, and b) The Amsat -UK web site. In spite of supposed to being able to log in I can't after several requests. Seems there is nothing there anyway So all in all, don't look to much from the UK Am satellite scene. 2) Constructional articles Radcom is always looking out for things. My new column can continue based on years of my own-experimentation and building in quintillions of different subject areas from DC to pink light, digits and analogue, but I would like input from others. Anything that isn't yet another wire antenna or a new H-Mode mixer, and certainly no valves would be welcome; mid-range to upper end technology is preferred using modern(ish, in amateur terms) devices. Don't want to cover simple basics, that is best left to Eamon and Ian in their columns. Waiting... Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG073-a0e48848b7d303; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:13:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG048-a0e48848b7d303; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:13:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKvCN-0005A4-25 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:13:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKvCM-00059v-By for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:13:06 +0100 Received: from smtpauth19.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.30]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKvCI-00067B-8M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:13:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 6582 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 13:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (64.206.3.50) by smtpauth19.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.30) with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2008 13:11:54 -0000 Message-ID: <48848B4B.3070401@w1tag.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:12:43 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1KKtyY-2JdIrg0@fwd34.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1KKtyY-2JdIrg0@fwd34.t-online.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andy, Better yet, take a soccer ball and start winding wire around it until you have completed a 90 degree arc on both sides. What's the resulting pattern? John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh03.mx.aol.com (rly-mh03.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.139]) by air-mh04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH044-bc748847b6d8e; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:05:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH037-bc748847b6d8e; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:05:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKu8O-0004iF-SX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:04:56 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKu8O-0004i4-B2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:04:56 +0100 Received: from czd.org.uk ([217.158.195.178] helo=cygnus.czd.org.uk) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKu8J-00023B-Ll for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:04:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:01:59 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Message-ID: <929404BD8B3FA443A58163D1A9FC4FB75925@cygnus.czd.org.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 In-Reply-To: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 500 khz TX Thread-Index: AcjrGj2fYnBPR8LST7KRr0m3DboeBQAD0W0g References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "Martyn Kinder" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: 500 khz TX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8EB29.94473BD8" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EB29.94473BD8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like an appliance recycler =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D Martyn Kinder G0CZD http://www.czd.org.uk =20 Before a mad scientist goes completely mad, there will be a time when he's only partially mad. Make sure you get invited to his parties then. ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:10 AM To: rsgb Subject: LF: 500 khz TX My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled components from the junk box. =20 1940 xtal in osc =20 IC osc chip/IC divider chip/IC driver chip/FET PA class E, then on the drain side =20 1940's ceramic inductor (tinned copper wire) out of a TU5B tuning unit, 1950's tube TV line output core, rewound for impedence matching FET/50 ohms. =20 LPF using unmarked cores similar to FT200 type. =20 FET out of an old marine tx 1960's vintage.=20 =20 CCT board for chips reworked from an old pre used board. =20 Ferrite chokes in V + line from old smpu, decoupling capacitors and misc items, small heatsink and fan from junk box. =20 Psu for chips 12 regulated, ex surplus =20 Psu for FET rebuilt using ex surplus high capacity capacitors, not regulated =20 The finished package looks neat and tidy and is totally reliable, and no SMOKE =20 The secret to avoid smoke in class E is to get the FET drain matching network spot on to avoid voltage/current spikes during switching. If designed properly you will be in the ball park and just need minor adjustments ie adjusting coil tappings while making observations on a 'scope. =20 I used components that I had lying around in junk boxes and the cost was NIL. =20 This is the TX that I used on 500 khz to work VE1ZZ and RW3ADB on normal CW. =20 73 De Mal/G3KEV =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EB29.94473BD8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds like an appliance=20 recycler
 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Martyn Kinder G0CZD

http://www.czd.org.uk

Before a mad=20 scientist goes completely mad, there will be a time when he's only partially= =20 mad.  Make sure you get invited to his parties=20 then.


From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:10 AM
To:=20 rsgb
Subject: LF: 500 khz TX

My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled compo= nents=20 from the junk box.
 
1940 xtal in osc
 
IC osc chip/IC divider chip/IC driver chip/= FET PA=20 class E, then on the drain side
 
1940's ceramic inductor (tinned copper=20 wire) out of a TU5B tuning unit, 1950's tube TV line output c= ore,=20 rewound for impedence matching FET/50 ohms.
 
LPF using unmarked cores similar to=20 FT200 type.
 
FET out of an old marine tx 1960's vintage.= =20
 
CCT board for chips reworked from an old pr= e used=20 board.
 
Ferrite chokes in V +  line from=20= old=20 smpu, decoupling capacitors and misc items, small heatsink and fan from junk= =20 box.
 
Psu for chips 12 regulated, ex surplus
 
Psu for FET rebuilt using ex surplus high c= apacity=20 capacitors, not regulated
 
The finished package looks neat and tidy an= d is=20 totally reliable, and no SMOKE
 
The secret to avoid smoke in class=20 E  is to get the FET drain matching network spot on to avoid=20 voltage/current spikes during switching. If designed properly you will=20= be=20 in the ball park and just need minor adjustments ie adjusting coil=20 tappings while making observations on a 'scope.
 
I used components that I had lying around i= n junk=20 boxes and the cost was NIL.
 
This is the TX that I used on 500 khz to wo= rk VE1ZZ=20 and RW3ADB on normal CW.
 
73 De Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EB29.94473BD8-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (rly-ma04.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.48]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA093-8a04880aa603a6; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:36:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA042-8a04880aa603a6; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:36:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJr2U-0004CW-TT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:34:30 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJr2U-0004CN-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:34:30 +0100 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.249]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJr2Q-0000Fn-H4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:34:28 +0100 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so268141rvb.4 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:34:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=pfStCC0w54iZUef+BJLIJQtxkL3mz045nng8pQXMprE=; b=XLD4NeIwEuQJQqnxCMpQJFWnZyA9kLlD2vbsV9bcXqJaE5/zoy1UwJ5D20Gi4Qz2GC 3rRDFECNZ7CQb4WTeiC+xnTuaqluSWUg0ykls0RasJAFSqkAnMmkGjTH9uyVpoikdrUk Ach6QDk0wvkNk7bLGMYr6XHPDJV5ekKG08F6U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=J4dugankYIgbfwtNifBkgCMSgFX7VaIV8yB3XUrWriPahZ9kbCpcONXcd7pB4WkBko YjIRQBcTZusDRsVYCHvGs3gXf+SzV5FTST8e3woLg9RD41iRxS5dEbJXZscrR4uGx7vm BUzp5j6dzWIXexxOxAEgCDTP8R02EW0HIRYiw= Received: by 10.141.206.13 with SMTP id i13mr96230rvq.211.1216391663051; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.140.7 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:34:23 +0100 From: "Derry Hamilton" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <003001c8e8e1$75c37ad0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <003001c8e8e1$75c37ad0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) 2008/7/18 mal hamilton : > The majority of far east countries do not use the metric system, nor does > the middle east for weights and measures > G3KEV While there may be widespread usage of non-metric units, with the exception of Mayanmar, the entire far and middle east has officially adopted SI. GM4FH From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINMD033-92648917d5023e; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:52:51 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD096-92648917d5023e; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:52:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOTtP-0005tw-JO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:52:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOTtO-0005tn-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:52:14 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.70]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOTtI-0008Q0-MT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:52:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 95695 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 08:52:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Qe1D+/+yZmoYEY75tv7KOkyDKNP3dddQQJ+M4F0jJc+/g1NnUCMFR89mBjdoJHB+axklM6nIgUEW/1F5p4vEtrZDaIYMh2aSbxjiyUeKBwe+B32hXnyUvTFCzH0FSrj9bQi2QDGneI5oDZlt70bgtwb7qArJAm8lMpSQ0zvYw3s= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@btinternet.com@86.130.77.141 with login) by smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 08:52:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OhmWOewVM1nzwkKDQI_QNEPdZ1Ecy7PGETkEZWPYrKiLzokoRNcou2arxeAlZfEH2k1f2w75GPcdJzGsbNrUSQnxSOM2aoLlpdVQ_vj3D858FyZH.uy26cpKiWjFkNA- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <011925433193420FAA184FA6E7F8CDA9@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <004a01c8f19b$3d370520$a402a8c0@Inspiron> In-Reply-To: <004a01c8f19b$3d370520$a402a8c0@Inspiron> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:52:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 500KHz NoV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C8F2F3.13A033E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C8F2F3.13A033E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lee I have just got my NOV to operate on 500kHz, so will be dipping my toe into=20= the water from next week. I have not got any 138kHz experience and only obtained my full amateur licen= ce last May. On my application for the NOV, I provided a scale diagram of my own and imme= diate neighbour's properties, gave a brief description of the TX(home brew),= RX(Lowe HF-225) and antenna(T) that I intend to use and an estimate of my e= rp from the TANTENNA program on the internet (200mW). As I am using a VFO,=20= I use a counter to measure the frequency and also monitor transmissions usin= g the RX which has a digital readout. I also stated that I would cease tra= nsmissions until any complaint was satisfactorily resolverd, and mentioned t= wo nearby amateurs also working on 500kHz whose help and advice I could seek= . All the above seemed to work, so good luck on your application. The more th= e merrier. 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lee Hudson=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: LF: 500KHz NoV Hi All, After reading through loads of stuff and monitoring the LF Group I'm left=20= with the decision of whether to start on 136 or 500KHz. 500KHz seems much easier to deal with from the outset, and hopefully the N= oV period will be extended further next year. However the NoV itself is the possible stumbling block in that it appears=20= that experience on 136KHz is a big plus that Ofcom appear to be looking for, My question is, would I get away with applying for a NoV without first bei= ng active on 136KHz, or has anyone already taken this route and been success= ful? 73, Lee M0LMH. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C8F2F3.13A033E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lee
 
I have just got my NOV to operate on 500kHz= , so=20 will be dipping my toe into the water from next week.
 
I have not got any 138kHz experience and on= ly=20 obtained my full amateur licence last May.
On my application for the NOV, I provided a= =20 scale diagram of my own and immediate neighbour's properties, gave a br= ief=20 description of the TX(home brew), RX(Lowe HF-225) and antenna(T) that I= =20 intend to use and an estimate of my erp from the TANTENNA program on the=20 internet (200mW).  As I am using a VFO, I use a counter to measure the=20 frequency and also monitor transmissions using the RX which has a digital=20 readout.   I also stated that I would cease transmissions until an= y=20 complaint was satisfactorily resolverd, and mentioned two nearby amateurs al= so=20 working on 500kHz whose help and advice I could seek.
 
All the above seemed to work, so good luck=20= on your=20 application.  The more the merrier.
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
----- Original Message -----
Lee Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:50=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500KHz NoV

Hi All,

 

After reading through loads of=20 stuff and monitoring the LF Group I=92m left with the decision of whether=20= to=20 start on 136 or 500KHz.

 

500KHz seems much easier to deal= =20 with from the outset, and hopefully the NoV period will be extended furthe= r=20 next year.

However the NoV itself is the=20 possible stumbling block in that it appears that experience on 136KHz is a= big=20 plus that Ofcom appear to be looking for,

 

My question is, would I get away= =20 with applying for a NoV without first being active on 136KHz, or has anyon= e=20 already taken this route and been successful?

 

73,

Lee M0LMH.

 

------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C8F2F3.13A033E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG103-a164880fbf311b; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:24:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG058-a164880fbf311b; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:24:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJwUl-0005oD-SN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:24:03 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJwUl-0005o4-9F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:24:03 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.25]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJwUi-0003Ah-IT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:24:03 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a82-95-116-115.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.95.116.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6IKNsWd069205 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:23:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nl9222@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4880FBD9.1090204@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:23:53 +0200 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> <002701c8e8db$44cac380$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <002701c8e8db$44cac380$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080718-1, 07/18/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > Douglas Bader RAF pilot was flying spitfires during the last war without > LEGS, also a wireless operator on a Lincoln bomber used his foot to send > morse, after his hands were injured with burning oil. > G3KEV Practice what you preach BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME023-997488325608e; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:45:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME013-997488325608e; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:45:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKXM0-0001pw-MB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:45:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKXM0-0001pn-4B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:45:28 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-4.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.234] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKXLx-0002wZ-I9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:45:28 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAODBgkhUDWSH/2dsb2JhbACEXKhi Received: from host-84-13-100-135.opaltelecom.net.100.13.84.in-addr.arpa (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([84.13.100.135]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 12:45:18 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c8ea5e$1712e9c0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:45:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM TYRE sizes throughout the world are marked and specified in INCHES. The next time you are close to the shuttle look at the tyres. > EXcuse me- > The only country that doesn't oficially use the Metric system is the > USA, along with two tiny ones whose names don't come to mind. And > look what not using it cost the Nasa space programme! > > I like the term "badvertising" seen in this months mag. Postings > like these come firmly into that category when seen by outsiders. > > Andy G4JNT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG044-a3b4881b03460; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:13:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG105-a3b4881b03460; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:13:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KK8V6-0007Wl-Fq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:13:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KK8V6-0007Wc-10 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:13:12 +0100 Received: from smtp2e.orange.fr ([80.12.242.113]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KK8V1-0003w9-Q2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:13:11 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2e21.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9DA907000096 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:13:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from JR (Mix-Dijon-106-3-2.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.130.2]) by mwinf2e21.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 410DC7000082 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:13:00 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080719091300266.410DC7000082@mwinf2e21.orange.fr Message-ID: <200807191112590619.0029B5EA@smtp.wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70807181211v7b97fec8u4cbbdd7a1ac0a609@mail.gmail.com> References: <001101c8e8c8$f0665280$0b01a8c0@weazle> <57a24ca70807181211v7b97fec8u4cbbdd7a1ac0a609@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:12:59 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: -1000: uceprotect.blacklist: if-match(0) => return-bad(1.0) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Tube amplifier website Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Note the circuit shows a 3 phase supply and no transformer. John F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 18/07/2008 at 15:11 Warren Ziegler wrote: >J.B, > > Go to: > >http://www.wireless.org.uk/gallery/gallerlf.htm > >Scroll down to the picture LX1PD's tube amplifier and click on the >picture, you will be able to get the schematic etc in zipped form. > > > >73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > >On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:25 AM, J. B. Weazle McCreath > wrote: >> Hello LFers, >> >> I've somehow lost the URL to a site which featured a multi-tube, >> untuned RF amplifier for the 136-137 kHz. band. Can anyone >> on this list point me in the right direction to it? Tnx in advance. >> >> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL >> Solar and wind powered >> Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 >> EN93dr >> >> http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >-- >73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDB053-aba488edc377a; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:00:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB038-aba488edc377a; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:00:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KNl3H-0001kC-Og for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:59:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KNl3G-0001k3-QT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:59:27 +0100 Received: from web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.123]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNl3F-0007pr-0D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:59:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 45986 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2008 08:59:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=OwWN96BZ0j/aJUyUtryKtec0y5JYGigRAS1xSJVhRGbU7+pPIYelvgmH+X/Emc8B1Ux4v7DfY6hon7gazuDBAsWqAdWAo62ZYOiRZK/fxcJ0JF8JjSSMylCZj0AOl/sHwkHdWqE1UwiqxNNXYvYeUVsuCu5BqReJ00Gdxiif39c=; Received: from [86.142.153.247] by web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:59:18 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:59:18 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000701c8f154$4d13a8a0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <593579.45856.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1743592412-1217321958=:45856" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n --0-1743592412-1217321958=:45856 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dennis =C2=A0 This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV application. =C2=A0 Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse. =C2=A0 You are a rare breed, =C2=A0a new 500kc/s op. =C2=A0 73 for now and GL petefmt. __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now=20= at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html --0-1743592412-1217321958=:45856 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dennis
 
This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV application.
 
Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse.
 
You are a rare breed,  a new 500kc/s op.
 
73 for now and GL petefmt.

=20 Not happy with your email address?
Get the one you=20 really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! --0-1743592412-1217321958=:45856-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA022-a784880c0cd1f0; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:12:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA068-a784880c0cd1f0; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:12:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJsYE-0004jH-EB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:11:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJsYD-0004j8-La for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:11:21 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.74]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJsYA-0006WO-4P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:11:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 72395 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2008 16:11:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=uwIIJa0c7rMCQyQL5peHHB5JIkzw7ijcogM5Ny8OcviUIlohte6JD7rmMI1W+ELo9tigvx0me/3fhJiOVJF0dP5XkIa4LM13RDOAsCU2b86yPc0mm3p/mApjBrnpyrz8NpzQrX1pJoWGjzNrgSHG3MiIguto2kDoZe/WsA+zQv0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@btinternet.com@86.134.100.71 with login) by smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 16:11:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JHkW9WAVM1mVVN9P9SgDWcdj0qPhs5icAX4GC9cBuIVJ3kysJEyeR50FO..Z9aTta9MaBKtX5E4D5mTxMGE.fHXhFWPwCDbCjEtxWcQrubNhZ90XykE5eBZaO20P X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <2ED95B571DC240FF89CB8D16A69AF751@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:11:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: RADCOM - CONSTRUCTIONAL ITEMS AND ALL THAT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01C8E8F9.413014F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C8E8F9.413014F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a very new member of the group, still awaiting my NOV to transmit on 500=20= kHz and struggling with my morse, I hesitate to take issue with the big boys= , but here goes. =20 Sneers against the new 'Radcom' editor and the comic, which I take to mean '= Practical Wireless' and its associated publications are unworthy. When I j= oined the RSGB three years ago, I was initially disappointed with 'Radcom' w= hich seem to have limited content and lacked style. Under the new editor,=20= the style has improved enormously and the contents are generally well balanc= ed. Of course, many of us we would like to see more constructional items a= nd news of exciting research, but as G3WKL pointed out, this depends on thos= e actively involved producing the necessary articles. =20 G3LDO hesitated to write up his experiences as old hat, but as a newcomer, I= would have welcomed his article, as I appear to be struggling along similar= lines. While we wait for a clever amateur to come up with a super 600m ban= d antenna three feet long, nailed to the end of the shack and capable of wor= ld wide DX, those of us with 10m square gardens or less must contiue with so= lutions similar to Peter's. As far as PW is concerned, it has kept going over the years and won many fri= ends, including myself. From the earliest days to the present time it has=20= been one of the few windows on the world of amateur radio, raising interest=20= in old and young, something we still surely need. Phew! I fell better to have got that off my chest. 73s Dennis M0JXM ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C8E8F9.413014F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As a very new member of the group, still aw= aiting=20 my NOV to transmit on 500 kHz and struggling with my morse, I hesitate to ta= ke=20 issue with the big boys, but here goes.   
 
Sneers against the new 'Radcom' editor and=20= the=20 comic, which I take to mean 'Practical Wireless' and its associated publicat= ions=20 are unworthy.   When I joined the RSGB three years ago, I was=20 initially disappointed with 'Radcom' which seem to have limited content and=20 lacked style.   Under the new editor, the style has improved=20 enormously and the contents are generally well balanced.   Of cour= se,=20 many of us we would like to see more constructional items and news=20 of exciting research, but as G3WKL pointed out, this depends on those=20 actively involved producing the necessary articles. 
&= nbsp;
G3LDO hesitated to write up his experiences= as old=20 hat, but as a newcomer, I would have welcomed his article, as I appear to be= =20 struggling along similar lines.  While we wait for a clever amateur to=20= come=20 up with a super 600m band antenna three feet long, nailed to the end of= the=20 shack and capable of world wide DX, those of us with 10m square gardens or l= ess=20 must contiue with solutions similar to Peter's.
 
As far as PW is concerned, it has kept goin= g over=20 the years and won many friends, including myself.   From the earli= est=20 days to the present time it has been one of the few windows on the= =20 world of amateur radio, raising interest in old and young, something we stil= l=20 surely need.
 
Phew! I fell better to have got that off my= =20 chest.
 
73s Dennis M0JXM
------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C8E8F9.413014F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINMD101-8ff488f41a3b4; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:13:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD047-8ff488f41a3b4; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:13:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KNrod-0002Y1-NZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:12:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KNrod-0002Xs-2w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:12:47 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.66]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNroY-0000rr-QM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:12:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 47882 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 16:12:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=qyFSYC4oeSeeXWLoHijzWMHtV2hwc3oEmSBqloYB1uSRa4PWfn+DKT/ORxYfYU4NjqxjOEW9zQU4QsZgj76h+vTtWYIOKEgde3I8GrfppwHU3tCg3b6O64Qm7JeYRWPMOhFTQEACf7NunXh4xWWFV/ZViU5eRFvl3PL3ZK4rEH8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@btinternet.com@86.148.125.109 with login) by smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 16:12:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eTUa4o4VM1mo1Fvv01JbxOpAr9BQccU.9WZwSta8RUeb2bOWl3EgFBI_8K0ij_V4b8kg9qKCRWxqXmc0NQPljX6huUSDqY3Yw.9Wtu7i8ZRAymihskHT2Qaq5W2DIvw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <593579.45856.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <593579.45856.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:12:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: Re: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01C8F19E.3E7D3960" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C8F19E.3E7D3960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Peter Thanks for the congrats. Have tried the odd test transmissions and hope to be fit for purpose soon. Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done Dennis M0JXM Hi Dennis This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV application. Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse. You are a rare breed, a new 500kc/s op. 73 for now and GL petefmt.=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Not happy with your email address?=20 Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available no= w at Yahoo! ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C8F19E.3E7D3960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Peter
Thanks for the congrats.
Have tried the odd test transmissions and h= ope to=20 be fit for purpose soon.
 
Dennis M0JXM
 
----- Original Message -----
M0FMT <= /DIV>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:59=20 AM
Subject: LF: New NoV: Well done Den= nis=20 M0JXM

Hi Dennis
 
This mail is to mark your sucessful 500kc/s NoV application.
 
Hope to work you on narrow shift RTTY and some slow Morse.
 
You are a rare breed,  a new 500kc/s op.
 
73 for now and GL petefmt.

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------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C8F19E.3E7D3960-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDC093-b3e487f09da34d; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:59:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC092-b3e487f09da34d; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:59:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJPJq-0000Dz-F5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:58:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJPJp-0000Dq-UO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:58:34 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJPJk-00087Y-IG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:58:33 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A63451C824 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:58:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45068F3863 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:58:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD62F3862 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:58:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id DED6C5562; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:05:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 148.72-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (148.72-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.65.72.148]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:05:33 +0200 Message-ID: <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:05:33 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> In-Reply-To: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.65.72.148 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all, I don't know about RSGB and RadCom but I am closely involved in UBA =20 and it's magazine (CQ-QSO). There are probably as many opinions about the contents of a magazine =20 as there are readers. So a good editor should try to keep the balance =20 between all those interests. For CQ-QSO the "mix" is more or less 1/3 UBA affairs (informing =20 members), 1/3 non technical stuff (DX-pedition reports and other "easy =20 reading") and 1/3 technical stuff. Even within the technical stuff a =20 balance has to be found between various topics and levels. Not easy at =20 all ... But the main problem to maintain this "mix" is the input of articles. =20 The UBA affairs part is more or less produced automatically (as the =20 output from discussions, meetings etc.). Further we receive plenty of =20 "easy reading" stuff, so no problem to fill that part. But it is an =20 endless struggle to get good technical articles. And no input =3D no =20 output ;-) As said, I don' know about RSGB and RadCom, but I wouldn't be =20 surprised if the situation is similar. So maybe everyone who feels that there must be more technical articles =20 should think about writing one ? A simple "math exercise" we once did: - CQ-QSO is a bi-mothly magazine and has 44 pages =3D 264 pages/year - UBA has about 3000 members So if every member would write a 1 page tech article every 10 year we =20 could fill our magazine from the first to the last page with tech =20 artciles. Being more realistic: assuming that - 10% of our members (=3D 300) is technical involved - we want to fill 1/3 of the magazine (=3D 88 pages/year) with tech stuff - the average tech article is 3 pages (=3D 30 articles/year) Again it comes one 1 tech article (per technical involved meber) every =20 10 years Sounds so easy .. but is so hard. 73, Rik ON7YD Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINME031-99f489078fa15d; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:21:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME023-99f489078fa15d; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:21:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOCXc-0004ei-FL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:20:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOCXb-0004eZ-Ss for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:20:35 +0100 Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk ([212.23.3.141]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOCXW-0005DN-O0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:20:35 +0100 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOCXT-0001Z6-6X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:20:27 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:22:34 +0100 Message-ID: <011f01c8f24f$bcee9670$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acjxms5jloXtchH3RyepU+fqLE+bhwAAErJgACzod7A= In-Reply-To: <004a01c8f19b$3d370520$a402a8c0@Inspiron> X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [82.68.18.174] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.000,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz NoV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0120_01C8F258.1EB2FE70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01C8F258.1EB2FE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lee, =20 =20 As one of my roles as RSGB HF Manager I assist Ofcom in their approval process for SRP & NoV applications. Whilst it is certainly true that Ofcom like to see previous 136kHz experience, there are many examples where people have successfully gained their NoV for 500kHz who haven't previously been active on 136kHz. I would therefore encourage you to make a start at 500kHz, as it is easier in terms of the aerial aspects, and then perhaps have a go at 136kHz. =20 =20 I suggest that you have a look at http://www.rsgb.org/spectrumforum/mf/srp501.php if you haven't already done so. The key things that are needed are to do with frequency control and establishing that you are operating within the ERP limit. =20 73 John, G3WKL ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01C8F258.1EB2FE70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Lee, =20
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As one of my roles=20= as RSGB=20 HF Manager I assist Ofcom in their approval process for SRP & NoV=20 applications.   Whilst it is certainly true that Ofcom like t= o=20 see previous 136kHz experience, there are many examples where people have=20 successfully gained their NoV for 500kHz who haven't previously been ac= tive=20 on 136kHz.  I would therefore encourage you to make a start at 500= kHz,=20 as it is easier in terms of the aerial aspects, and then perhaps have a go a= t=20 136kHz.   
 
I suggest that you=20= have a=20 look at http://= www.rsgb.org/spectrumforum/mf/srp501.php if=20 you haven't already done so.  The key things that are needed are to do=20= with=20 frequency control and establishing that you are operating within the ERP=20 limit.
 = ;
73 John,=20 G3WKL
------=_NextPart_000_0120_01C8F258.1EB2FE70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDD051-b67488f6026208; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:24:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD031-b67488f6026208; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:23:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KNtqk-0002yP-J3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:23:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KNtqk-0002yG-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:23:06 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNtqf-0005Uz-UM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:23:05 +0100 X-Trace: 51000627/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.119.154 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.119.154 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArwEAFr9jkhYanea/2dsb2JhbACCc2g1h1qmAQNB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,273,1215385200"; d="scan'208,217";a="51000627" Received: from 88-106-119-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.119.154]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2008 19:22:46 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <000001c8c3bd$086bd8e0$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:22:51 +0100 Message-ID: <007201c8f1a8$1cc5e470$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acjxj9llBruJP/VNTqK6zKvjRsQA4AAF6vMw In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080729-0, 29/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: 500 khz G4WGT gabber problem. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01C8F1B0.7E8A4C70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C8F1B0.7E8A4C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham, LF, No, I only installed the SP3 once. I could still do if required then I would need time to sort out the problem it caused, mainly the loss of LAN ports & connections. Another problem was the loss of the Winrad program caused by Nero Burning ROM v7.0, now using a different CD/DVD burner & no problems. Apparently others have had conflict problems with Nero. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 29 July 2008 16:25 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz G4WGT gabber problem. Gary, Is that the second time for sp3 ? ive lost a lot of my early modes , jason etc and the original mfsk , which worked very well .... oddly , the drm package has starated working for no reason Tnx - G . From: Gary - G4WGT Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:56 AM To: LF -RSGB LF Group Subject: LF: 500 khz G4WGT gabber problem. LF, Yesterday carried out Windows Service pack 3 update. Then found I had problems connecting thro' my network port to the adsl modem, so unfortunate loss of internet & grabber uploads. I was unable to remake the network connection so I have carried out a Windows restore to a point earlier than the Windows update to remove SP3 & now grabber is OK again. Sorry for the overnight loss of the grabber. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1476 - Release Date: 5/31/2008 12:25 ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C8F1B0.7E8A4C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Graham, LF,

&nb= sp;

No, I only installed the SP3 once. I could still do if required then I would need time to sort out the problem it caused, mainly the loss of LAN ports & connections.

&nb= sp;

Another problem was the loss of the Winrad program caused by Nero Burning ROM v7.0,=20= now using a different CD/DVD burner & no problems. Apparently others have ha= d conflict problems with Nero.

&nb= sp;

Cheers,<= o:p>

&nb= sp;

Gary = 211; G4WGT.

&nb= sp;

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 29 July 2008 16:25
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz G4WG= T gabber problem.

 

Gary<= /span>,

 

Is that the second time for sp3 ? ive lost a lot of= my early modes , jason  etc and the original  mfsk , which worked very well .... oddly , the drm package has starated working for no  reason

 

Tnx - G .

 

 

Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:56 AM

Subject: LF: 500 khz G4WGT gabber problem.

 

LF,

 =

Yesterday carried out Windows S= ervice pack 3 update. Then found I had problems connecting thro’ my network port t= o the adsl modem, so unfortunate loss of internet & grabber uploads.<= /o:p>

 =

I was unable to remake the netw= ork connection so I have carried out a Windows restore to a point earlier than t= he Windows update to remove SP3 & now grabber is OK again.

 =

Sorry for the overnight loss of= the grabber.

 =

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.=

 


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------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C8F1B0.7E8A4C70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD061-b6c48839aaf281; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:06:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD036-b6c48839aaf281; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:06:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKfAE-0002w1-4P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:05:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKfAD-0002vs-DU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:05:49 +0100 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.158]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKfAB-0005pq-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:05:49 +0100 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so353648ywk.64 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:05:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=zAki2I844+GkFbX2DcR5O6yHuV+yK+gE9mgE4LQpQ4o=; b=p4qHTRP9GpBsULeemoSlI+F72InlYW1Exw03ip9FBj/Qm9oaFWHZRs3hNyRCohD4/k P4VqslXh2Qm47OlLvbPKr9kjYHaS5ATPSyxVLRYW1E43NWdHKx9p71vhBg7KbHEXN/Eo QdULg2CYJtMBXc2O1/ByMG4W3WxPTujjPtqXY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=D+ou6YrVxQWsMxrpQhRoAY5o9Y/3HEQHvxjIhhU5f6SPdmxe7rXlHewGAtykwTZS+s Y8KITBg69mFnd/FDKDGWmN4jv8z3oic+hXcukuXbsGm4lFCd9Bu0BtxT6mFBpkY0HB/Q jP8I+pScT8gvvdyoPZufhygr7gkSglHqEEkWg= Received: by 10.151.111.1 with SMTP id o1mr2861679ybm.194.1216584345108; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.50.21 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:05:45 +0000 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <002501c8eaa0$ee4f4ae0$0401a8c0@lindavideo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <001901c8ea7c$5c51fb20$0401a8c0@lindavideo> <002501c8eaa0$ee4f4ae0$0401a8c0@lindavideo> X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF RadCom Articles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Radcom redraw all diagrams anyway - and now with wiggly resistors. Theyt tend to leave the text alone unless there are glaring errors or bad English, so it looks as if you could be onto a winner. Gives Giles a shout. Andy 2008/7/20 Ken : > Hi Andy. > A simple L C L circuit as described in the Solid State Design for Radio > Amatuers Book, but I made the 'C' variable so I can tune it up in a similar > manner to that of PI tank circuit. I dont have any CAD for diagrams, all > the pcb artwork was done by hand, I had a bit of techniacl smoke with the > first PA a few dead power MOSFETS on the shack floor, but a chat with Chris > G3XIZ and it was sorted out. Technical writing is ok as I used to write > technical specifications and technical trial reports at BT. > > 73 > > Ken M0KHW > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:44 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF RadCom Articles > > >> Send it in - sounds just like the sort of simple 'weekend' article >> several technical editors have been asking for. >> >> btw. By LCL output stage, assume you mean a lowpass Tee network? >> >> Andy G4JNT >> www.scrbg.org/g4jnt >> >> design >>> >>> and build our own equipment, but do not submit it for possible >>> publication >>> because, state of the art technology it is not, the design is not >>> particularly elegant, and the Technical Editor and the more accomplished >>> contributors would fall over laughing when they saw it. But most of these >>> projects are practical and they work. I work on the KISS (Keep It Simple >>> Stupid) principle, don't use three components when one will work just as >>> well. My 500kHz TX does not have any fancy CW sidetone circuit on >>> transmit, >>> just a piezo buzzer wired across the keyed 12v line to the driver board, >>> the >>> most complicated bit is the LCL output stage, which delivers 23W into a >>> 50ohm dummy load and 900mA up the antenna, the TX/RX switching is like >>> the >>> old days, a simple toggle switch. >> >> >> -- >> > > > -- Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDC062-b1a487eec532af; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:53:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC046-b1a487eec532af; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:53:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJNM7-0008FD-I5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:52:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJNM6-0008F4-QD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:52:46 +0100 Received: from xsmtp15.mail2web.com ([168.144.250.183]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJNM2-0007lx-Rd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:52:46 +0100 Received: from [168.144.108.3] (helo=M2W003.mail2web.com) by xsmtp15.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJNLu-0006nA-TA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:52:35 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22008741765234876@M2W003.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 193.250.55.55 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "john.rabson@wanadoo.fr" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:52:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: LF: satellites X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Radio-REF has about 4 pages on satellites every issue. John=20 F5VLF/G3PAI Original Message: ----------------- From: Dave Sergeant dave@davesergeant.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:55:56 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: satellites [ ... ] It is indeed strange that there is little coverage of amateur=20 satellites in RadCom. I remember some years ago the society made a=20 donation to the Oscar 10 project which you would think showed some=20 committment. But it is probably more about getting a regular=20 contributor to produce a monthly page, which must be the responsibility=20 of Amsat UK. [ ... ] -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft=AE Windows=AE and Linux web and applicatio= n hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db05.mx.aol.com (rly-db05.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.80]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDB094-ac4488f36b31c5; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:27:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db05.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB052-ac4488f36b31c5; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:26:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KNr4Z-0002Mw-Mj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:25:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KNr4Z-0002Mn-84 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:25:11 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNr4S-0003rm-0E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:25:11 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D74E31C0008A for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:24:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.55.220]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 54F2B1C00090 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:24:47 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080729152447348.54F2B1C00090@mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <000001c8c3bd$086bd8e0$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:24:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz G4WGT gabber problem. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C8F197.9C58CC40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C8F197.9C58CC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, Is that the second time for sp3 ? ive lost a lot of my early modes , jason =20= etc and the original mfsk , which worked very well .... oddly , the drm pac= kage has starated working for no reason=20 Tnx - G .=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:56 AM To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20 Subject: LF: 500 khz G4WGT gabber problem. LF, =20 Yesterday carried out Windows Service pack 3 update. Then found I had proble= ms connecting thro' my network port to the adsl modem, so unfortunate loss o= f internet & grabber uploads. =20 I was unable to remake the network connection so I have carried out a Window= s restore to a point earlier than the Windows update to remove SP3 & now gra= bber is OK again. =20 Sorry for the overnight loss of the grabber. =20 73, =20 Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1476 - Release Date: 5/31/2008 1= 2:25 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C8F197.9C58CC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gary,
 
Is that the second time for sp3 ? ive lost=20= a lot of=20 my early modes , jason  etc and the original  mfsk , which worked=20= very=20 well .... oddly , the drm package has starated working for no  reason=20
 
Tnx - G .
 

Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:56 AM
Subject: LF: 500 khz G4WGT gabber problem.

LF,

 

Yesterday carried=20 out Windows Service pack 3 update. Then found I had problems connecting thro= =92 my=20 network port to the adsl modem, so unfortunate loss of internet & grabbe= r=20 uploads.

 

I was unable to=20 remake the network connection so I have carried out a Windows restore to a p= oint=20 earlier than the Windows update to remove SP3 & now grabber is OK=20 again.

 

Sorry for the=20 overnight loss of the grabber.

 

73,=

 

Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83QP.

 


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG.=20
Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1476 - Release Date: 5/31/20= 08=20 12:25
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C8F197.9C58CC40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB054-acc48847a802f2; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:01:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB062-acc48847a802f2; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:01:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKu4O-0004ZH-6a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:00:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKu4N-0004Z8-Qr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:00:47 +0100 Received: from mserv4.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.76.223]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKu4J-0003PO-Rc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:00:47 +0100 Received: from dexbr1.ds.leeds.ac.uk (dexbr1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.19]) by mserv4.leeds.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m6LC0XF8011588 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:00:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from HERMES4.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.5.129]) by dexbr1.ds.leeds.ac.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:00:22 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:00:23 +0100 Message-ID: <731EB49F88B309428FFDDD2423F810E42BBC25@HERMES4.ds.leeds.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Loop Conundrum Thread-Index: AcjrJbm0c2EermvHQhmfP0nNRZxZyQAA2wKA From: "Chris Trayner" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2008 12:00:23.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AD9AA60:01C8EB29] X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: RE: Loop Conundrum X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Andy, Thanks for the interesting problem. > The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. Would it? I'd expect there to be directions in which the fields from the two loops were opposite and equal, giving nulls but in different directions. Specifically, I think there will be two directions at 45 degrees to the planes of the loops where at any instant you get (to put it crudely) a north pole from one loop, at 1/sqrt(2) of its max strength, and a south pole from the other, also at 1/sqrt(2) of max strength. I don't know about efficiency, though - you might have started an interesting technical discussion! 73, Chris G4OKW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (rly-mf08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.178]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF034-973487a64d015e; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:26:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF081-973487a64d015e; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:25:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KI88W-0007R2-CX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:25:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KI88V-0007Qt-UJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:25:35 +0100 Received: from web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.177.225]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KI88V-0003SI-Kf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:25:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 61934 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2008 20:25:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=FuucthVdPiEkwrPdLTU13ElI0q7kKpfcldKEalZvpf/DOAJr8bPh9J9YbxNlhoyIubIXunab6vHiXa1FL+L9mpaL5UIMeLD8/3Nfxa9wzd2KMwB/XgfqvCCHXoCIF0nOmcAaeXQJtjBrlTuzzJWyPoVxhs45uMldeRxxod7/tN4=; Received: from [80.6.40.58] by web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:25:16 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:25:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Osborn To: LF Group MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-903538521-1215980716=:60496" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n --0-903538521-1215980716=:60496 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF / MF There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz today permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band. Stations worked:- 496 G3DXZ =20 497 G3UNT =20 498 G3ZWH =20 499 M0FMT =20 500 G3XPU =20 73 Chris G3XIZ __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now=20= at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html --0-903538521-1215980716=:60496 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF / MF

There was a reasonable amount of activity=20= on 500 kHz today
permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band.
=
Stations worked:-

496  G3DXZ 
497  G3UNT =
498  G3ZWH 
499  M0FMT 
500  G3XPU&nbs= p;

73
Chris G3XIZ

=20 Not happy with your email address?
Get the one you=20 really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! --0-903538521-1215980716=:60496-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA041-a7748810d94282; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:39:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA067-a7748810d94282; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:39:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJxfZ-0006bC-AC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:39:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJxfY-0006b3-JY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:39:16 +0100 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.158] helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJxfU-0008E0-Ud for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:39:16 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3008.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E7A881C00083 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:39:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.91.118]) by mwinf3008.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id D68191C00082 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:39:02 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080718213902878.D68191C00082@mwinf3008.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <90E3D53F14BD4F30AF5A6FE7C1192DE1@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:38:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Rad Com / critical mass etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C8E927.10FCD2E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C8E927.10FCD2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave If anything was to be made for 500 and possibly 137 , I would suggest a 'Li= nea transverter' would possibly be the most useful, solving the problems of= poor receiver performance and the ability to generate the linear drive re= quired by most of the data modes that interface simply with a soundcard , 10= watts would be a good starting point ? G .. =20 From: G0MRF@aol.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 8:09 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: jwgould@iee.org.uk ; g3wkl@btinternet.com=20 Subject: LF: Rad Com / critical mass etc Hello John, WKL, and group. I think it may have been me who picked up Mal's expression "fizzled out" an= d applied it to the technical content, in particular construction articles,=20= in Rad Com. Trying a little more seriously to look at the lack of activity on 500k and t= he content of Rad Com, I would say that the two are related. I can understand how the change in content in our magazine reflects similar=20= unfortunate changes in other publications. I suspect this is primarily drive= n by the desire to cut costs, after all changing to a news based format allo= ws the editor/s to simply cut and paste articles from one source into the bl= ank pages which will become a future Rad Com. As a good example of cut and=20= paste journalism, take a look at the 'announcement' of Tent Speakers from a=20= company called 'Blacks' on page 10 of the August edition. You don't have to= read very far into that article to immediately see that it has been lifted=20= from some piece of advertising junk mail that's arrived at the office. Heavi= ly and badly edited, it's reduced size leaves out more facts than it conveys= . What for example is an EVA shell? Or come to that NXT speakers? We'll neve= r know, because that information didn't make it into the space the editor ha= d to fill. - A really good example of poor editing and production. It's comp= lete tat. So, what's the link to 500k activity? Well, this group largely consists of=20= very capable individuals who can use a soldering iron and many of those can=20= actively design equipment of some sort for 500k. The thing we all lack is ti= me and frequently we like to save those long designing tasks for something t= hat's right at the top of our interest agenda. There would undoubtedly be mo= re 500k operators if tested and widely published designs were available. But= we need more than that. To really kick start 500k, someone needs to produce= either kits or finished modules and that is where RadCom can be vital. In=20= the past I have produced designs and kits for 136kHz. The 300W amplifier kit= was one, and the completed ready to go 136kHz preamp, designed by Dave G3YX= M, was another. I was really surprised that although the preamp was only a h= andful of components, people would choose to buy it assembled and tested rat= her than build it themselves. Somewhere out there are 150 preamps and 50 30= 0W transmitter kits which must have had some effect on 136k activity. Unfortunately, it costs quite a lot to make a kit available. You need minimu= m order quantities for PCBs to make it cost effective, and a kit that contai= ns a few inches of say, 28 SWG wire means you have to buy a reel......and so= on and so on. Having an article published in RadCom was key to making a kit viable. But n= ow, there are no significant articles being published. If, I submit an artic= le am I going to be told, we don't do that any more, or we like most magazin= es commission articles? Basically, last year I looked at 500k as a possible opportunity for designin= g a DDS driven transmitter. 100W out, little 2 line LCD, PIC microcontroller= running a DDS. - All fairly straightforward and if run from 12V, a project=20= that would attract people onto 500k. But the single reason why that didn't h= appen was because at the time when I had the idea, Rad Com hadn't published=20= a single significant construction article in the previous 12 months. It takes about 300 - =A3400 to get something like this started. With no mean= s of promoting it, those components just sit around selling one or two every= 6 months. The people who buy them arrive at an uninhabited 500k and mostly=20= give up. It needs a certain momentum to get it started. If 30 people arrive=20= on the band in a short space of time, others think, that sounds like fun, I'= ll join them and you have sustained interest. Of course you can just put a design on the web, but then you lose the abili= ty to get a 'critical mass' of people on the band. With RadCom going to a newspaper format with almost zero 'freelance' technic= al content, small kit suppliers and individuals are simply unwilling to take= the risk. Hope that helps David G0MRF In a message dated 17/07/2008 08:22:10 GMT Standard Time, jwgould@iee.org wr= ites: To me the important point that I tried to make in my posting, which has drawn no comment, is the one I made about getting people to write up their experimental work for publication, and specifically that concerning 500kHz= . To maintain progress on gaining a long-term allocation around 500kHz we wi= ll need to raise the profile nationally and internationally of work undertake= n on 500kHz. One way of doing this is to get a few good technical articles written, not just sharing knowledge but encouraging others and providing suitable designs to enable them to join in; good construction articles can do just that.=20 73 John, G3WKL No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.1/1560 - Release Date: 7/18/2008 06= :47 ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C8E927.10FCD2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Dave
 
If anything was to  be made for 500 and possibly 137 , I would sug= gest=20 a 'Linea transverter' would possibly be the most  useful, solving the=20 problems of poor receiver performance and the ability to  generate = ;the=20  linear drive required by most of the data modes that interface simply=20= with=20 a soundcard , 10 watts would be a good starting point ?
 
G ..  
 
 
 

Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 8:09 PM
Subject: LF: Rad Com / critical mass etc

Hello John, WKL, and group.
 
I think it may have been me who picked up  Mal's expression "fizzl= ed=20 out" and applied it to the technical content, in particular construction=20 articles, in Rad Com.
 
Trying a little more seriously to look at the lack of activity on 500k=20= and=20 the content of Rad Com, I would say that the two are related.
I can understand how the change in content in our magazine reflect= s=20 similar unfortunate changes in other publications. I suspect this is primari= ly=20 driven by the desire to cut costs, after all changing to a news based format= =20 allows the editor/s to simply cut and paste articles from one source into th= e=20 blank pages which will become a future Rad Com.  As a good example of c= ut=20 and paste journalism, take a look at the 'announcement' of Tent Speaker= s=20 from a company called 'Blacks' on page 10 of the August edition.  You d= on't=20 have to read very far into that article to immediately see that it has=20= been=20 lifted from some piece of advertising junk mail that's arrived at the office= .=20 Heavily and badly edited, it's reduced size leaves out more facts than it=20 conveys. What for example is an EVA shell? Or come to that NXT speakers? We'= ll=20 never know, because that information didn't make it into the space the edito= r=20 had to fill. - A really good example of poor editing and productio= n.=20 It's complete tat.
 
So, what's the link to 500k activity?  Well, this group largely=20 consists of very capable individuals who can use a soldering iron and many o= f=20 those can actively design equipment of some sort for 500k. The thing we all=20= lack=20 is time and frequently we like to save those long designing tasks for someth= ing=20 that's right at the top of our interest agenda. There would undoubtedly be m= ore=20 500k operators if tested and widely published designs were available. But we= =20 need more than that. To really kick start 500k, someone needs to produce eit= her=20 kits or finished modules and that is where RadCom can be vital.  In the= =20 past I have produced designs and kits for 136kHz. The 300W amplifier kit was= =20 one, and the completed ready to go 136kHz preamp, designed by Dave G3YXM, wa= s=20 another. I was really surprised that although the preamp was only a handful=20= of=20 components, people would choose to buy it assembled and tested rather than b= uild=20 it themselves. Somewhere out there are 150 preamps and 50  300W transmi= tter=20 kits which must have had some effect on 136k activity.
Unfortunately, it costs quite a lot to make a kit available. You need=20 minimum order quantities for PCBs to make it cost effective, and a kit that=20 contains a few inches of say, 28 SWG wire means you have to buy a reel......= and=20 so on and so on.
Having an article published in RadCom was key to making a kit viable.&n= bsp;=20 But now, there are no significant articles being published. If, I submit an=20 article am I going to be told, we don't do that any more, or we like most=20 magazines commission articles?
 
Basically, last year I looked at 500k as a possible opportunity for=20 designing a DDS driven transmitter. 100W out, little 2 line LCD, PIC=20 microcontroller running a DDS. - All fairly straightforward and if run from=20= 12V,=20 a project that would attract people onto 500k. But the single reason why tha= t=20 didn't happen was because at the time when I had the idea, Rad Com hadn't=20 published a single significant construction article in the previous 12=20 months.
 
It takes about 300 - =A3400 to get something like this started. With no= means=20 of promoting it, those components just sit around selling one or two every 6= =20 months. The people who buy them arrive at an uninhabited 500k and mostl= y=20 give up. It needs a certain momentum to get it started. If 30 people arrive=20= on=20 the band in a short space of time, others think, that sounds like fun, I'll=20= join=20 them and you have sustained interest.
 Of course you can just put a design on the web, but then you= =20 lose the ability to get a 'critical mass' of people on the band.
With RadCom going to a newspaper format with almost zero 'freelance'=20 technical content, small kit suppliers and individuals are simply unwilling=20= to=20 take the risk.
 
Hope that helps
 
David G0MRF
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 17/07/2008 08:22:10 GMT Standard Time, jwgould@iee.o= rg=20 writes:
To=20= me=20 the important point that I tried to make in my posting, which has
drawn= no=20 comment, is the one I made about getting people to write up=20 their
experimental work for publication, and specifically that concerni= ng=20 500kHz.


To maintain progress on gaining a long-term allocation=20 around 500kHz we will
need to raise the profile nationally and=20 internationally of work undertaken
on 500kHz.  One way of doing th= is=20 is to get a few good technical articles
written, not just sharing knowl= edge=20 but encouraging others and providing
suitable designs to enable them to= =20 join in; good construction articles can
do just that.

73 John,=20 G3WKL
 
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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20
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(Postfix, from userid 65534) id CAC575362; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:04:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 254.206-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (254.206-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.206.254]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:04:10 +0200 Message-ID: <20080718220410.djkunra8l9c0sk4g@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:04:10 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.206.254 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500 kHz activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello group, maybe I am wrong, but the momentary lack of activity maybe a seazonal thing. At least it is for me. During the summer months: - nights are short, so ionosheric propagation starts late and stops early - QRN is (often) high - (ground)losses increase (in my case from 50 Ohm in february to 85 Ohm now) - there are lot's of other things (not ham related) that need attention So for the next 2 months 500kHz activity will be close to non-existent, but I will be back in autumn. And I hope not to be the only one ... 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF063-95a487c625c16d; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:40:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF048-95a487c625c16d; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:39:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KIg3h-0004Ta-M0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:38:53 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KIg3g-0004TR-UM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:38:52 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.62]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KIg3d-0003pn-1f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:38:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 49480 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2008 08:38:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=FAFmoYLbv6X+ygHyRf+5ErQ4AdoQTVNzhDB349yaFIbkQ5s0aqEjQYlYoJSCq+ZFQ1R0rvXZtjQQUpEUXJP9a09AaI1SNIkN9oP3n9A2cE2vTcJaBc7BVSZEpU9/yN7cNTENmkNObbR76Js4UqjCAJuSL8J1AMVi9OPSsNOBZoc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@btinternet.com@81.132.69.163 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2008 08:38:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MulJinAVM1mGQmI539ERVhyItR.inPvLlvQocPqsic.pEf3EVsmicXSRrPa6.sCuv9ZKZE7mMFPiCp89HBa954jYF392mMZHQYqhUp7cyTMgn62QLqLlHKwspYSWTIM- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:38:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C8E65E.8F5DE9B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C8E65E.8F5DE9B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations Chris. Hope to join the 500kHz enthusiasts soon. 73s Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Osborn=20 To: LF Group=20 Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO LF / MF There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz today permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band. Stations worked:- 496 G3DXZ =20 497 G3UNT =20 498 G3ZWH =20 499 M0FMT =20 500 G3XPU =20 73 Chris G3XIZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Not happy with your email address?=20 Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available no= w at Yahoo! ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C8E65E.8F5DE9B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congratulations Chris.   Hope to=20= join the=20 500kHz enthusiasts soon.
 
73s Dennis M0JXM
----- Original Message -----
Chris Osbor= n=20
To: LF Group
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:25 PM=
Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO

LF / MF

There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz=20 today
permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band.

Stati= ons=20 worked:-

496  G3DXZ 
497  G3UNT 
498&nb= sp;=20 G3ZWH 
499  M0FMT 
500  G3XPU =20

73
Chris G3XIZ

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------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C8E65E.8F5DE9B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME042-9c348808cc6228; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:30:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME067-9c348808cc6228; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:30:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJp5s-0003ME-I4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:29:52 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJp5s-0003M5-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:29:52 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJp5k-0007eQ-1L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:29:52 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2807B8632 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17C2F3863 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99079F3862 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D765655F4; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:37:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 254.206-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (254.206-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.206.254]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:37:02 +0200 Message-ID: <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:37:02 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.206.254 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) > Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the > traditional squiggle for a resistor. Using different names, symbols or abbreviations can lead to confusion and thus errors. 73, Rik ON7YD Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD103-b694888c3b72bb; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:02:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD033-b694888c3b72bb; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:02:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KM56U-0003yl-Ay for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:59:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KM56R-0003yc-CA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:59:47 +0100 Received: from mail2.imagen.ca ([208.181.178.12]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KM56M-0002sI-Rg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:59:47 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.imagen.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803D31EF98C8 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:59:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Score: -2.599 Received: from mail2.imagen.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail2.imagen.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id x5ZzZUY0Mvfo for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p1i5f0 (unknown [64.46.58.113]) by mail2.imagen.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CC7E1EF98BE for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000a01c8edb7$0174f7a0$713a2e40@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> <4880B1E7.3040008@ntlworld.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:59:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 600m Info Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Are there any web sites devoted to 600m circuits etc? I am aware of the U.S. group one as well as G3YMC's page and N4ICK's tx design, but perhaps there are others as well? Several of the 2200m experimental licencees have just been asked to submit formal proposals for 600m experimental permits here in Canada so things are starting to look positive but I have no idea of the timeline. Just in case, I thought I had better get the soldering iron warmed-up once again, not that it has ever really cooled-off. Also...does anyone know how well the M0MBU scope match circuit (that works so wonderfully-well on 2200m) performs on 600m without any modification? Steve / VE7SL Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF022-972488123091e8; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:11:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF078-972488123091e8; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:11:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJz5k-0006mc-9U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:10:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJz5j-0006mT-Eq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:10:23 +0100 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJz5g-0000OK-Lr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:10:23 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id l.bfa.1d593849 (32915) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:10:07 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:10:07 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Rad Com / critical mass etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1216422607" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + -------------------------------1216422607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/07/2008 19:56:24 GMT Standard Time, andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com writes: That's because no one sends anything in !!!!!!!!!!!!!! As I said in a previous posting a few months ago to one of the many groups (microwaves, probably) - its positive feedback. People see reduced technical content, assume RC are taking the stand deliberately, so don't bother writing it up. Self perpetuating and leading to instability, in this case probably a bistable stuck in the '0' state. Your comments, Dave, are exactly what I was speculating on. Did you ever phone the editor and discuss their requirements, and whether thay'd be interested? I bet not. Thanks Andy In 2000, there was a Technical + publications sub-committee. They had mountains of material with a year or so backlog of items that they were interested in. A much larger pile that was not suitable. I respect your opinions Andy as you are a regular and valued contributor, but Is your first line speculation or fact? Is it that bad? Actually the prolific chap currently in RadCom is Eamon EI9GQ. Items just scattered in his column are deserving of a seperate article in themselves. e.g. The 100 / 200W FET amplifier for 2m. Can it be that a total absence of articles is the result of 8 years of time passing. We're all a bit older, but we're still here. Also there are affiliated groups with specific interests and magazines. Sprat for QRP, scatterpoint for the microwave group. Surely things can be selected from these for wider publication. It doesn't ring true. There are many sources that can be trawlled for material...but that needs work, whereas cut and paste fills the pages. Oh well todays newspaper is tomorrows fish and chip wrapper. (sorry DX. quaint old English practice) Saves filling up shelf space. But, I'll give them a call and quote your first line to the editor. 73 David -------------------------------1216422607 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 18/07/2008 19:56:24 GMT Standard Time,=20 andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com writes:
That's=20 because no one sends anything in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I said in a previous= =20 posting a few months ago to one of the many
groups (microwaves,=20 probably)  - its positive feedback.  People see
reduced techn= ical=20 content, assume RC are taking the stand
deliberately, so don't bother=20 writing it up.  Self perpetuating and
leading to instability, in t= his=20 case probably a bistable stuck in the
'0' state.  Your comments, D= ave,=20 are exactly what I was speculating
on.    Did you ever phone=20= the=20 editor and discuss their requirements,
and whether thay'd be=20 interested?  I bet not.
Thanks Andy
 
In 2000, there was a Technical + publications sub-committee. They had=20 mountains of material with a year or so backlog of items that they were=20 interested in. A much larger pile that was not suitable.  I respect you= r=20 opinions Andy as you are a regular and valued contributor, but Is your=20 first line speculation or fact? Is it that bad?
Actually the prolific chap currently in RadCom is Eamon EI9GQ.&nbs= p;=20 Items just scattered in his column are deserving of a seperate article in=20 themselves. e.g. The 100 / 200W FET amplifier for 2m.
Can it be that a total absence of articles is the result of 8 years of=20= time=20 passing. We're all a bit older, but we're still here. Also there are affilia= ted=20 groups with specific interests and magazines. Sprat for QRP, scatterpoint fo= r=20 the microwave group. Surely things can be selected from these for wider=20 publication.  It doesn't ring true. There are many sources that can be=20 trawlled for material...but that needs work, whereas cut and paste fills the= =20 pages.
Oh well todays newspaper is tomorrows fish and chip wrapper. (sorry DX.= =20 quaint old English practice) Saves filling up shelf space.
 
But, I'll give them a call and quote your first line to the=20 editor.
 
73
 
David
 -------------------------------1216422607-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (rly-mf09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.179]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-97c486b2b9e17c; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:18:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF092-97c486b2b9e17c; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:17:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KDwZg-0001F0-8N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:16:20 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KDwZf-0001Er-Oy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:16:19 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpo-eml01.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.150]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KDwZc-0001wJ-1R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:16:19 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml113.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.113]) by cpsmtpo-eml01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:16:08 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml113.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:16:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c8dc13$7e72ef10$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:16:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2008 07:16:08.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FCB0500:01C8DC13] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8DC24.41DBB3F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8DC24.41DBB3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello joe, nothing on the screen today,the pc is running 24hours a day, henny pa3cpm best 73s. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8DC24.41DBB3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello joe,
nothing on the screen today,the pc=20= is=20 running 24hours a day,
henny pa3cpm
best=20 73s.
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8DC24.41DBB3F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG093-9f3486f169226; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 02:37:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG015-9f3486f169226; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 02:37:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KF1NU-0007va-UH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:36:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KF1NU-0007vR-AX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:36:12 +0100 Received: from hpsmtp-eml13.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.113]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KF1NP-00044b-LQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:36:12 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml111.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.111]) by hpsmtp-eml13.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 5 Jul 2008 08:36:02 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml111.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 5 Jul 2008 08:36:01 +0200 Message-ID: <008f01c8de69$65395e50$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 08:36:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2008 06:36:01.0955 (UTC) FILETIME=[6486D730:01C8DE69] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.105,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): captvo1na0507.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01C8DE7A.28A69000" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C8DE7A.28A69000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_008C_01C8DE7A.28A69000" ------=_NextPart_001_008C_01C8DE7A.28A69000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi joe, the same capture with speclab, best 73s henny cpm Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden= : captvo1na0507.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen he= t verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer=20= de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen wor= den afgehandeld. ------=_NextPart_001_008C_01C8DE7A.28A69000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi joe,
 
the same capture with=20 speclab,
best 73s
henny cpm
 
 
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen= =20 worden verzonden:
captvo1na0507.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige=20 e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of=20 ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKd5i-0002Sm-Rj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:53:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKd5i-0002Sd-DF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:53:02 +0100 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.153]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKd5g-0004v1-Fw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:53:02 +0100 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so343153ywk.64 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:52:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ao8dmW1H4OpZX5aAPgWLQlIayQp8ZfcEs9dHXdX56OI=; b=t7UT12ijoG3We/HHgl5PkmAE6wP4Bla+sOYKCIa/ihFQgL1+Nnky8m8QH4lTPgb4Jv 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<487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <001601c8ea81$06520b20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Which big bang ? A few superpowers may have tested the occasional EMP weapon with 'interesting' findings, but no one ever deployed one - they all realised the potential for damaging thier own infrastructure as well as the target's. And contrary to all the popular sci-fi films and myths of the era, a normal ground-burst or even air-burst of a few MT does not generate damaging EMP. It has to be a true exo-atmopheric explosion at a height to do practically no other damage, and of a mechanism yielding mainly high energy gamma / X-rays to generate the necessary Compton scattering. The stories put-about back then were incorrect and partly propaganda, but also genuine misunderstanding of the respective countries' techology capabilities, and their modus-operandi Andy G4JNT 2008/7/20 mal hamilton : > When the big BANG comes you will regret not having learned about > VALVES/TUBES and how to use them. > These have a good chance of survival when all the chips have FRIED and being > able to use a morse key a bonus. > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom > > >> Two pijnts... >> 1) Satellites >> Having just joined Amsat (because I felt I 'ought' to) I'm less than >> impressed with a) Oscar News which has had no technical content in the >> two issues so far received, and b) The Amsat -UK web site. In spite >> of supposed to being able to log in I can't after several requests. >> Seems there is nothing there anyway >> So all in all, don't look to much from the UK Am satellite scene. >> >> 2) Constructional articles >> Radcom is always looking out for things. My new column can continue >> based on years of my own-experimentation and building in quintillions >> of different subject areas from DC to pink light, digits and analogue, >> but I would like input from others. Anything that isn't yet another >> wire antenna or a new H-Mode mixer, and certainly no valves would be >> welcome; mid-range to upper end technology is preferred using >> modern(ish, in amateur terms) devices. Don't want to cover simple >> basics, that is best left to Eamon and Ian in their columns. >> >> Waiting... >> >> Andy G4JNT >> www.scrbg.org/g4jnt >> > > > -- Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINMF081-9444891c160249; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:43:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF022-9444891c160249; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:42:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOYPz-0006aU-Iq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:42:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOYPz-0006aL-6e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:42:11 +0100 Received: from hpsmtp-eml15.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.115]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOYPw-0000sY-4M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:42:11 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml112.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.112]) by hpsmtp-eml15.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:42:02 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml112.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:42:02 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c8f313$38a429b0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:42:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 13:42:02.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[36C1FC30:01C8F313] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.104,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C8F323.FC130910" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C8F323.FC130910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi joe, this time nothing seen, best 73s henny pa3cpm. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C8F323.FC130910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi joe,
this time nothing=20 seen,
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henny=20 pa3cpm.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C8F323.FC130910-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF071-95d4880b0eb36c; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:04:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF053-95d4880b0eb36c; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:04:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJrTX-0004Lp-CD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:02:27 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJrTW-0004Lg-Ff for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:02:27 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJrTQ-0000Tl-4J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:02:24 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8168C7B8F1A for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:02:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DFEF3863 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:02:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDFEF3862 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:02:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 21611536A; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:10:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 254.206-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (254.206-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.206.254]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:10:09 +0200 Message-ID: <20080718171009.xsx4546a2dfokog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:10:09 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.206.254 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) > The majority of countries do not use the metric system Hmmm ... that depends how you define "majority" I guess > not even in some parts of EU. As far as I know all European countries have adopted the metric (SI) system. But it is true that one or two countries allow the use non-metric units (in parallel with metric units) for a limited number of applications. 73, Rik ON7YD Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG071-a1a488457d8139; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:33:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG064-a1a488457d8139; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:33:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKrkx-0003zx-W2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:32:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKrkx-0003zo-C9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:32:35 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKrkt-00022O-U2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:32:35 +0100 X-Trace: 46885981/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.119.154 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.119.154 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0EAOf0g0hYanea/2dsb2JhbACCcmuICqFYAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,222,1215385200"; d="scan'208,217";a="46885981" Received: from 88-106-119-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.119.154]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2008 10:32:24 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <00e001c8eaaa$364a0660$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:32:24 +0100 Message-ID: <004e01c8eb14$af4de490$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acjqsl+o2PWWWBiOSPmabQNZzvs9ZQAYXALg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080720-0, 20/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: 500 KHzTX Test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C8EB1D.11124C90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C8EB1D.11124C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Graham, Thanks for your report. It is the lowest I can go since the upgrade of the PSU after the 1 watt ERP allocation. I have given Shetland some thought, probably do it later in the week. I am trying to improve my receive hear as Chris G3XIZ can always get me solid on his small (750mm square) loop inside a shed, even last night with low power & I always struggle with Chris. Just re-built the G3LNP loop for 500 KHz but no improvement over the vertical. I am collecting parts for a linear transverter for my next circuit project. I see JR has been the centre of a slinging (or should it slanging) match !!! Cheers Gary. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 20 July 2008 22:47 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 500 KHzTX Test Gary, Reaching Wallasey ok , showing about 30 db , over back ground noise level (un tuned) on R5000 , why not drop down to 501.250 , Shetland is running ? G .. From: Gary - G4WGT Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:50 PM To: LF -RSGB LF Group Subject: LF: 500 KHzTX Test Hi LF, Testing at the moment with 34 watts Tx - 100mW ERP - 503.600 KHz - 12wpm CW at 1 minute intervals. Reports welcome. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12:59 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C8EB1D.11124C90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Graham,

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Thanks for your report. It is the lowest I can go since the upgrade of the PSU afte= r the 1 watt ERP allocation.

&nb= sp;

I have g= iven Shetland some thought, probably do it later in the week.

&nb= sp;

I am trying to improve my receive hear as Chris G3XIZ can always get me solid on=20= his small (750mm square) loop inside a shed, even last night with low power &= ; I always struggle with Chris. Just re-built the G3LNP loop for 500 KHz but no=20= improvement over the vertical.

&nb= sp;

I am collecting parts for a linear transverter for my next circuit project.<= /o:p>

&nb= sp;

I see JR has been the centre of a slinging (or should it slanging) match !!!

&nb= sp;

Cheers

&nb= sp;

Gary.

&nb= sp;

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 20 July 2008 22:47
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
Subject: Re: LF: 500 KHzTX Te= st

 

Gary<= /span>,

 

Reaching Wallasey ok , showing about 30 =20= db , over back ground noise level (un tuned) on R5000

 

 , why not drop down to  501.250 , Shetla= nd is running ?

 

G ..

 

Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:50 PM

Subject: LF: 500 KHzTX Test

 

Hi LF,=

 =

Testing at the moment with 34 w= atts Tx - 100mW ERP – 503.600 KHz – 12wpm CW at 1 minute intervals.

 =

Reports welcome.

 =

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.=

 

No=
 virus found in this incoming message.
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Some bedtime reading :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime http://glasstone.blogspot.com/2006/03/emp-radiation-from-nuclear-space.html http://stinet.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=A009208&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Talbot" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:52 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom > Which big bang ? A few superpowers may have tested the occasional EMP > weapon with 'interesting' findings, but no one ever deployed one - > they all realised the potential for damaging thier own infrastructure > as well as the target's. And contrary to all the popular sci-fi films > and myths of the era, a normal ground-burst or even air-burst of a few > MT does not generate damaging EMP. It has to be a true exo-atmopheric > explosion at a height to do practically no other damage, and of a > mechanism yielding mainly high energy gamma / X-rays to generate the > necessary Compton scattering. > > The stories put-about back then were incorrect and partly propaganda, > but also genuine misunderstanding of the respective countries' > techology capabilities, and their modus-operandi > > Andy G4JNT > > 2008/7/20 mal hamilton : >> When the big BANG comes you will regret not having learned about >> VALVES/TUBES and how to use them. >> These have a good chance of survival when all the chips have FRIED and >> being >> able to use a morse key a bonus. >> G3KEV >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" >> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:24 AM >> Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom >> >> >>> Two pijnts... >>> 1) Satellites >>> Having just joined Amsat (because I felt I 'ought' to) I'm less than >>> impressed with a) Oscar News which has had no technical content in the >>> two issues so far received, and b) The Amsat -UK web site. In spite >>> of supposed to being able to log in I can't after several requests. >>> Seems there is nothing there anyway >>> So all in all, don't look to much from the UK Am satellite scene. >>> >>> 2) Constructional articles >>> Radcom is always looking out for things. My new column can continue >>> based on years of my own-experimentation and building in quintillions >>> of different subject areas from DC to pink light, digits and analogue, >>> but I would like input from others. Anything that isn't yet another >>> wire antenna or a new H-Mode mixer, and certainly no valves would be >>> welcome; mid-range to upper end technology is preferred using >>> modern(ish, in amateur terms) devices. Don't want to cover simple >>> basics, that is best left to Eamon and Ian in their columns. >>> >>> Waiting... >>> >>> Andy G4JNT >>> www.scrbg.org/g4jnt >>> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.2/1562 - Release Date: 7/19/2008 > 14:01 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA041-8ba4880f8cfa5; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:11:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA074-8ba4880f8cfa5; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:10:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJwHe-0005hK-5y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:10:30 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJwHd-0005hB-OV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:10:29 +0100 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.158] helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJwHa-00034B-2e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:10:29 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3019.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 207F67000086 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:10:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.91.118]) by mwinf3019.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 8DF7F7000085 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:10:12 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080718201012581.8DF7F7000085@mwinf3019.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6779860A09AF4F0B872BE5BC78D0B3CD@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:10:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Lets have more qso's on 500 using the KEY , its the only REAL way to communicate Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Lets have more qso's on 500 using the KEY , its the only REAL way to communicate I find the high level of noise and the low power levels , most suited to the modern narrow band data transmission modes and have many excellent qso's using the 'KEY'S' on my 'KEY BOARD' . How nice it is to be insulated from the ear bending crash of next doors fridge, the key clicks of the over driven transmitters and the rouge frequency modulated sidebands of the old thermionic museum pieces that occasionally wobble and wander round the middle of the band in a attempt to attract attention only to be squarely defeated by a well written block of machine code, Ah, the joys of being a appliance operator, 'APPLIANCE OF SCIENCE' as the advert used to say . Its progress Jim , but not as we know it , 'For tribal man space was the uncontrollable mystery. For technological man it is time that occupies the same role' Im sure Ive seen some posts about space of late ? g .. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh12.mx.aol.com (rly-mh12.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.148]) by air-mh02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH023-61f48771f022e6; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:51:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh12.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH122-61f48771f022e6; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:51:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KHEHY-0001wl-4i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:47:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KHEHX-0001wc-Qy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:47:11 +0100 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KHEHT-0008Dn-PT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:47:11 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080711085309.DGQK16629.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:53:09 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.5.254.204]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080711084659.LLWC18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:46:59 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:46:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <48772C09.31893.278687@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: test only Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD102-906487f018b258; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:23:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD056-906487f018b258; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:23:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJOlz-0008U1-LX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:23:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJOlz-0008Ts-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:23:35 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-1.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.231] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJOlw-00080R-4w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:23:35 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AttAACKefkhOlKwvPGdsb2JhbAATgis0gWmDZgyBTgqIGAEBAQEtkH+MOA Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.172.47]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 09:23:20 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c8e7e6$5fcc54a0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:23:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.194,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: SATELLITES Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C8E7EE.C11264E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C8E7EE.C11264E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apart from the scanty technical content and never any mention of amateur Sat= ellites the presentation is poor. Get rid of the shiny glossy pages that reflect the light back into the eyes,= also printing over coloured gloss is difficult to read. Just about everythi= ng is wrong with the presentation for the serious reader.=20 If we take away the adverts, catalogue pages and chit chat there is very lit= tle left of interest for the real radio amateur. I would far rather have the old matt paper used years ago by practical wirel= ess and other associated radio magazines and still used today by the paper b= ack novels, and probably costs a lot less to produce. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C8E7EE.C11264E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apart from the scanty technical conten= t and=20 never any mention of amateur Satellites the presentation is poor.
Get rid of the shiny glossy pages that= reflect=20 the light back into the eyes, also printing over coloured gloss is difficult= to=20 read. Just about everything is wrong with the presentation for the seri= ous=20 reader.
If we take away the adverts, catalogue page= s=20 and chit chat there is very little left of interest for the real radio=20 amateur.
I would far rather have the old matt paper=20= used=20 years ago by practical wireless and other associated radio magazines and sti= ll=20 used today by the paper back novels, and probably costs a lot less to=20 produce.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C8E7EE.C11264E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD044-906487f1585337; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:49:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD056-906487f1585337; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:48:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJQ61-0000Oz-LJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:48:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJQ61-0000Oq-9k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:48:21 +0100 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJQ5y-0005Nu-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:48:21 +0100 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080717095436.SSUB16629.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:54:36 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.5.254.204]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080717095146.DYBD29365.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:51:46 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:48:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> References: , <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM>, <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? As Managing Editor of RadCom in the 1990s (and having worked in the RadCom office as a freelance temp for several months recently) I can confirm the comments by Rik and Alan that the content is very much governed by what members send in. The Editor is always desperate for good (preferably simple) construction articles, but very few are submitted despite numerous requests. Efforts have been made to include regular construction columns, such as the excellent new one by Andy, G4JNT. A specialist interest column is included only when an individual is prepared to write it regularly. Thanks to Dave, G3YXM, LF is represented. Perhaps someone from the satellite fraternity could make a similar commitment. There was a good response when I asked for 500kHz construction projects for my book LF Today. There should be no shortage of potential contributors to RadCom on this subject. You even get paid for your troubles. Solution. Don't grumble here (waste of time). Instead write to the Editor with your views. Better still, offer to write a column or one- off construction article. Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de09.mx.aol.com (rly-de09.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.145]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE022-4fe4884e925dc; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:53:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE093-4fe4884e925dc; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:53:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KL1Pw-0006UZ-L4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:51:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KL1Pw-0006UQ-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:51:32 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KL1Ps-0007jt-Ih for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:51:31 +0100 X-Trace: 50107640/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.119.154 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.119.154 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0EAAuFhEhYanea/2dsb2JhbACCcmuICqQWAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,225,1215385200"; d="scan'208,217";a="50107640" Received: from 88-106-119-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.119.154]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2008 20:51:19 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:51:18 +0100 Message-ID: <003301c8eb6b$24f149c0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjraySK53ib+QumR2S3yPaVUyhf2Q== X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080721-0, 21/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.155,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: GM4SLV 500 KHz grabber. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C8EB73.86B5B1C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C8EB73.86B5B1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All at LF, In a recent e-mail communication John GM4SLV has notified me that his 500 KHz grabber is active again. John has allowed me to notify 500 KHz users so they may take advantage of the facility. There are two bandwidths as follows :- Grabber 1 (501.2 - 501.4): http://www.gm4slv.org.uk/grabber.htm Grabber 2 (501.0 - 505.5): http://www.gm4slv.org.uk/grabber2.htm Unfortunately there is a comb of frequencies interfering with Grabber 2 which will be sorted in due course. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C8EB73.86B5B1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All at LF,

 

In a recent e-mail communication John GM4SLV has notified me that his 500 KHz grabber is active again. John has allowed me to notify 500 KHz users so they may take advantag= e of the facility.

 

There are two bandwidths as follows :-

 

Grabber 1 (501.2 - 501.4):

 

h= ttp://www.gm4slv.org.uk/grabber.htm

 

Grabber 2 (501.0 - 505.5):

 

http://www.gm4slv.org.uk/= grabber2.htm

 

 

Unfortunately there is a comb of frequencies interfering with Grabber 2 which will be sorted in=20= due course.

 =

 =

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.=

 

------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C8EB73.86B5B1C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b374880b21d213; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:09:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC083-b374880b21d213; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:09:26 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJrZb-0004Rc-6N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:08:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJrZa-0004RT-QF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:08:42 +0100 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJrZS-0003GQ-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:08:42 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080718151324.TIV28496.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:13:24 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [86.13.40.136]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080718150834.UTQG18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:08:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4880B1E7.3040008@ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:08:23 +0100 From: David Towers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> In-Reply-To: <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal, if this is directed at me then I find it in bad taste. I would dearly love to be able to send and receive CW and be able to communicate in that mode with others. Unfortunately I suffered a large heart attack and stroke whilst asleep. This affected my sight, mobility, speech and destroyed any chance of retaining the CW I had so far learnt up to that point. After several years I managed to get back to work, support my family and retain the home we lived in, and now retired I enjoy the hobby in the only way that I can. Please Mal-get a life! Hi Steve I know Mal from old when he used the CF repeater in his travels. I was at that time the lighthouse keeper. He was not always mobile with the key strapped to his leg.hihi 73 dave Douglas Bader RAF pilot was flying spitfires during the last war without LEGS, also a wireless operator on a Lincoln bomber used his foot to send morse, after his hands were injured with burning oil. G3KEV G8SZX Glenfield Leicester IO92jp webpage www.g8szx.mediumwaveradio.org Steve McDonald wrote: > > > Dave - you'll have to excuse Mal as, once again, I think he's got the LF > reflector confused with the OF (Old Fart) reflector. > > VE7SL > > Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > This message has been processed by Firetrust Benign. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE052-4d74883587666; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:23:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE054-4d74883587666; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:23:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKak3-00025e-Je for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:22:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKak3-00025V-1u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:22:31 +0100 Received: from smtp108.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.85.218]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKak2-0001mo-GI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:22:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 63716 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2008 15:22:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=xC6QZboqi9GHA8Lo5QhppJW5dlAGNNwtqrA7FtuNIgZg7/kYGQX7kCgBSkcPzJ0zCT5RCK1sDii9doC/W80+HAo2N3m4sEZbUNZsC++QrGcPMAkiLrCaEAMG21SXidIr2mEKU49+wc4TKF/ziPdIOrpejbCdOR+H9jdnNZpkaeI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@btinternet.com@86.134.102.178 with login) by smtp108.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 15:22:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: d87HBDEVM1kEUeJLhidWdtokLarjUGEnLYEwy3VRAy_AZHiXssglBoBUIiPOaFn1N.JQxpUyfu7dpyMhECs7qgMMGku7mPBHLv75qWJ8jqtCvItDP2TwjU0w2Ky7VAIzagc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001901c8ea7c$5c51fb20$0401a8c0@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: , <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM>, <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:21:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: LF RadCom Articles Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hello All LFers I just thought that I would add my two pennyworth to the debate regarding RadCom 500kHz constructional articles. There must be many of us who design and build our own equipment, but do not submit it for possible publication because, state of the art technology it is not, the design is not particularly elegant, and the Technical Editor and the more accomplished contributors would fall over laughing when they saw it. But most of these projects are practical and they work. I work on the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) principle, don't use three components when one will work just as well. My 500kHz TX does not have any fancy CW sidetone circuit on transmit, just a piezo buzzer wired across the keyed 12v line to the driver board, the most complicated bit is the LCL output stage, which delivers 23W into a 50ohm dummy load and 900mA up the antenna, the TX/RX switching is like the old days, a simple toggle switch. On the subject of circuit symbols, for the Admiralty, resistors had to have a set number of points on the zig zag, wires crossed using bridges, and capacitors were called Jars. I am now preparing to travel to China to view the Total Solar Eclipse on the 1st of August, when I return I expect to find messages calling for me to be burnt at the stake for such heresy. 73 Ken Wright M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom > As Managing Editor of RadCom in the 1990s (and having worked in the > RadCom office as a freelance temp for several months recently) I can > confirm the comments by Rik and Alan that the content is very much > governed by what members send in. The Editor is always desperate for > good (preferably simple) construction articles, but very few are > submitted despite numerous requests. Efforts have been made to > include regular construction columns, such as the excellent new one > by Andy, G4JNT. > > A specialist interest column is included only when an individual is > prepared to write it regularly. Thanks to Dave, G3YXM, LF is > represented. Perhaps someone from the satellite fraternity could make > a similar commitment. > > There was a good response when I asked for 500kHz construction > projects for my book LF Today. There should be no shortage of > potential contributors to RadCom on this subject. You even get paid > for your troubles. > > Solution. Don't grumble here (waste of time). Instead write to the > Editor with your views. Better still, offer to write a column or one- > off construction article. > > Mike, G3XDV > =========== > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF081-56a487b8f883e5; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:40:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF081-56a487b8f883e5; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:40:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KIS1N-0002aL-HO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:39:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KIS1N-0002aC-2c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:39:33 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KIS1I-0003Pi-QR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:39:33 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3428.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 18E421C00088 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:39:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.35.57]) by mwinf3428.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id C8E951C0008B for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:39:13 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080714173913822.C8E951C0008B@mwinf3428.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <006b01c8e5ac$a3f86600$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:39:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C8E5E0.E7EA8300" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C8E5E0.E7EA8300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, 500 qso's ? didn't think there was that much rtty on the band ..hihi..=20 Graham ..=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:24 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Chris, =20 Well done, heard you up here also but not really strong. =20 Gary - G4WGT. =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of Chris Osborn Sent: 13 July 2008 21:25 To: LF Group Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO =20 LF / MF There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz today permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band. Stations worked:- 496 G3DXZ =20 497 G3UNT =20 498 G3ZWH =20 499 M0FMT =20 500 G3XPU =20 73 Chris G3XIZ =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- Not happy with your email address?=20 Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now=20= at Yahoo! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: 7/13/2008 1= 7:58 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C8E5E0.E7EA8300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris,
 
500 qso's ? didn't think  there was th= at much=20 rtty on the band ..hihi..
 
 
Graham ..
 
 
 
 

Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:24 PM
Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO

C= hris,

<= o:p> 

W= ell=20 done, heard you up here also but not really=20 strong.

<= o:p> 

G= ary=20 =96 G4WGT.

<= o:p> 

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Chris Osborn
Sent: 13 July 2008 21:25
To: LF Group
 

LF / MF

There was a reasonable amount of activit= y=20 on 500 kHz today
permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that=20 band.

Stations worked:-

496  G3DXZ 
497 =20 G3UNT 
498  G3ZWH 
499  M0FMT 
500 = ;=20 G3XPU 

73
Chris G3XIZ

 

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No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: 7/13/2008 1= 7:58 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C8E5E0.E7EA8300-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA081-a594877a60f246; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:27:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA031-a594877a60f246; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:27:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KHNKy-0002sY-34 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:27:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KHNKx-0002sP-LV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:27:19 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-2.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.232] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KHNKt-0004cW-Uf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:27:19 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq1BANRCd0hOlM8gPGdsb2JhbAATgi4ygWeDboFKCogCAQEBAS2SHYsF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.207.32]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 19:27:08 +0100 Message-ID: <007701c8e383$bbae91a0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <004c01c8e36c$99bef1a0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <001501c8e382$202fb430$0401a8c0@lindavideo> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:27:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01C8E38C.1D0088C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C8E38C.1D0088C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not audible at my QTH with your qrp rig.Hpe to hr u when you QRO Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ken=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: LF: Re: test I had a very nice QSO with M0FMT this morning, still using 100mW, I am in=20= the process of constructing a 1W erp PA. Regards. Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: LF: test It looks like LF/MF has died in the UK and the rest of EU. There has never been more than 5 dedicatred CW operators interested in h= aving a QSO that has now almost fizzled out. 500 khz has never really been a starter. The only current activity seems to be Beacon mode on 505 khz but that ad= ds little to the band because there are already hundreds of beacons active t= o choose from if one is interested in world wide propagation tests.=20 de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C8E38C.1D0088C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not audible at my QTH with your qrp ri= g.Hpe to=20 hr u when you QRO
Mal/G3KEV
----- Original Message -----
Ken
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:15 PM=
Subject: LF: Re: test

I had a very nice QSO with M0FMT this mor= ning,=20 still using 100mW, I am in the process of constructing a 1W erp=20 PA.
 
Regards.
 
Ken  M0KHW
----- Original Message -----
To: rsgb=
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:41=20 PM
Subject: LF: test

It looks like LF/MF has died=20 in the UK and the rest of EU.
There has never been more than 5 dedica= tred CW=20 operators interested in having a QSO that has now almost fizzled=20 out.
500 khz has never really been a=20 starter.
The only current activity seems to be B= eacon=20 mode on 505 khz but that adds little to the band because there are alrea= dy=20 hundreds of beacons active to choose from if one is interested in world=20= wide=20 propagation tests.
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C8E38C.1D0088C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME013-9c74880ea90e; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:10:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME073-9c74880ea90e; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:10:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJvKa-0005Fl-66 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:09:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJvKZ-0005Fc-4D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:09:27 +0100 Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJvKX-0002cI-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:09:27 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id l.c27.3f55d7bb (42807); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:09:06 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:09:05 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: jwgould@iee.org.uk, g3wkl@btinternet.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Rad Com / critical mass etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1216408145" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + -------------------------------1216408145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hello John, WKL, and group. =20 I think it may have been me who picked up Mal's expression "fizzled out"=20 and applied it to the technical content, in particular construction article= s,=20 in Rad Com. =20 Trying a little more seriously to look at the lack of activity on 500k and =20 the content of Rad Com, I would say that the two are related. I can understand how the change in content in our magazine reflects similar= =20 unfortunate changes in other publications. I suspect this is primarily driv= en=20 by the desire to cut costs, after all changing to a news based format allow= s=20 the editor/s to simply cut and paste articles from one source into the blan= k=20 pages which will become a future Rad Com. As a good example of cut and=20 paste journalism, take a look at the 'announcement' of Tent Speakers from a= =20 company called 'Blacks' on page 10 of the August edition. You don't have t= o read=20 very far into that article to immediately see that it has been lifted from=20 some piece of advertising junk mail that's arrived at the office. Heavily a= nd=20 badly edited, it's reduced size leaves out more facts than it conveys. What= =20 for example is an EVA shell? Or come to that NXT speakers? We'll never know= ,=20 because that information didn't make it into the space the editor had to fi= ll.=20 - A really good example of poor editing and production. It's complete tat. =20 So, what's the link to 500k activity? Well, this group largely consists of= =20 very capable individuals who can use a soldering iron and many of those can= =20 actively design equipment of some sort for 500k. The thing we all lack is t= ime=20 and frequently we like to save those long designing tasks for something =20 that's right at the top of our interest agenda. There would undoubtedly be m= ore =20 500k operators if tested and widely published designs were available. But we= =20 need more than that. To really kick start 500k, someone needs to produce eit= her=20 kits or finished modules and that is where RadCom can be vital. In the =20 past I have produced designs and kits for 136kHz. The 300W amplifier kit was= =20 one, and the completed ready to go 136kHz preamp, designed by Dave G3YXM, wa= s =20 another. I was really surprised that although the preamp was only a handful=20= of =20 components, people would choose to buy it assembled and tested rather than=20 build it themselves. Somewhere out there are 150 preamps and 50 300W=20 transmitter kits which must have had some effect on 136k activity. Unfortunately, it costs quite a lot to make a kit available. You need =20 minimum order quantities for PCBs to make it cost effective, and a kit that=20= =20 contains a few inches of say, 28 SWG wire means you have to buy a reel......= and so=20 on and so on. Having an article published in RadCom was key to making a kit viable. But=20 now, there are no significant articles being published. If, I submit an =20 article am I going to be told, we don't do that any more, or we like most m= agazines=20 commission articles? =20 Basically, last year I looked at 500k as a possible opportunity for =20 designing a DDS driven transmitter. 100W out, little 2 line LCD, PIC microc= ontroller=20 running a DDS. - All fairly straightforward and if run from 12V, a project=20 that would attract people onto 500k. But the single reason why that didn't=20 happen was because at the time when I had the idea, Rad Com hadn't publishe= d a=20 single significant construction article in the previous 12 months. =20 It takes about 300 - =A3400 to get something like this started. With no mean= s =20 of promoting it, those components just sit around selling one or two every 6= =20 months. The people who buy them arrive at an uninhabited 500k and mostly gi= ve=20 up. It needs a certain momentum to get it started. If 30 people arrive on =20 the band in a short space of time, others think, that sounds like fun, I'll=20= join=20 them and you have sustained interest. Of course you can just put a design on the web, but then you lose the=20 ability to get a 'critical mass' of people on the band. With RadCom going to a newspaper format with almost zero 'freelance' =20 technical content, small kit suppliers and individuals are simply unwilling=20= to take=20 the risk. =20 Hope that helps =20 David G0MRF =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 In a message dated 17/07/2008 08:22:10 GMT Standard Time, jwgould@iee.org =20 writes: To me the important point that I tried to make in my posting, which has drawn no comment, is the one I made about getting people to write up their experimental work for publication, and specifically that concerning 500kHz. To maintain progress on gaining a long-term allocation around 500kHz we wil= l need to raise the profile nationally and internationally of work undertaken on 500kHz. One way of doing this is to get a few good technical articles written, not just sharing knowledge but encouraging others and providing suitable designs to enable them to join in; good construction articles can do just that.=20 73 John, G3WKL =20 =20 -------------------------------1216408145 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello John, WKL, and group.
 
I think it may have been me who picked up  Mal's expression "fizzl= ed=20 out" and applied it to the technical content, in particular construction=20 articles, in Rad Com.
 
Trying a little more seriously to look at the lack of activity on 500k=20= and=20 the content of Rad Com, I would say that the two are related.
I can understand how the change in content in our magazine reflect= s=20 similar unfortunate changes in other publications. I suspect this is primari= ly=20 driven by the desire to cut costs, after all changing to a news based format= =20 allows the editor/s to simply cut and paste articles from one source into th= e=20 blank pages which will become a future Rad Com.  As a good example of c= ut=20 and paste journalism, take a look at the 'announcement' of Tent Speaker= s=20 from a company called 'Blacks' on page 10 of the August edition.  You d= on't=20 have to read very far into that article to immediately see that it has=20= been=20 lifted from some piece of advertising junk mail that's arrived at the office= .=20 Heavily and badly edited, it's reduced size leaves out more facts than it=20 conveys. What for example is an EVA shell? Or come to that NXT speakers? We'= ll=20 never know, because that information didn't make it into the space the edito= r=20 had to fill. - A really good example of poor editing and productio= n.=20 It's complete tat.
 
So, what's the link to 500k activity?  Well, this group largely=20 consists of very capable individuals who can use a soldering iron and many o= f=20 those can actively design equipment of some sort for 500k. The thing we all=20= lack=20 is time and frequently we like to save those long designing tasks for someth= ing=20 that's right at the top of our interest agenda. There would undoubtedly be m= ore=20 500k operators if tested and widely published designs were available. But we= =20 need more than that. To really kick start 500k, someone needs to produce eit= her=20 kits or finished modules and that is where RadCom can be vital.  In the= =20 past I have produced designs and kits for 136kHz. The 300W amplifier kit was= =20 one, and the completed ready to go 136kHz preamp, designed by Dave G3YXM, wa= s=20 another. I was really surprised that although the preamp was only a handful=20= of=20 components, people would choose to buy it assembled and tested rather than b= uild=20 it themselves. Somewhere out there are 150 preamps and 50  300W transmi= tter=20 kits which must have had some effect on 136k activity.
Unfortunately, it costs quite a lot to make a kit available. You need=20 minimum order quantities for PCBs to make it cost effective, and a kit that=20 contains a few inches of say, 28 SWG wire means you have to buy a reel......= and=20 so on and so on.
Having an article published in RadCom was key to making a kit viable.&n= bsp;=20 But now, there are no significant articles being published. If, I submit an=20 article am I going to be told, we don't do that any more, or we like most=20 magazines commission articles?
 
Basically, last year I looked at 500k as a possible opportunity for=20 designing a DDS driven transmitter. 100W out, little 2 line LCD, PIC=20 microcontroller running a DDS. - All fairly straightforward and if run from=20= 12V,=20 a project that would attract people onto 500k. But the single reason why tha= t=20 didn't happen was because at the time when I had the idea, Rad Com hadn't=20 published a single significant construction article in the previous 12=20 months.
 
It takes about 300 - =A3400 to get something like this started. With no= means=20 of promoting it, those components just sit around selling one or two every 6= =20 months. The people who buy them arrive at an uninhabited 500k and mostl= y=20 give up. It needs a certain momentum to get it started. If 30 people arrive=20= on=20 the band in a short space of time, others think, that sounds like fun, I'll=20= join=20 them and you have sustained interest.
 Of course you can just put a design on the web, but then you= =20 lose the ability to get a 'critical mass' of people on the band.
With RadCom going to a newspaper format with almost zero 'freelance'=20 technical content, small kit suppliers and individuals are simply unwilling=20= to=20 take the risk.
 
Hope that helps
 
David G0MRF
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 17/07/2008 08:22:10 GMT Standard Time, jwgould@iee.o= rg=20 writes:
To=20= me=20 the important point that I tried to make in my posting, which has
drawn= no=20 comment, is the one I made about getting people to write up=20 their
experimental work for publication, and specifically that concerni= ng=20 500kHz.


To maintain progress on gaining a long-term allocation=20 around 500kHz we will
need to raise the profile nationally and=20 internationally of work undertaken
on 500kHz.  One way of doing th= is=20 is to get a few good technical articles
written, not just sharing knowl= edge=20 but encouraging others and providing
suitable designs to enable them to= =20 join in; good construction articles can
do just that.

73 John,=20 G3WKL
 
 -------------------------------1216408145-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA014-a904884337e135; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:58:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA098-a904884337e135; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:58:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKpKl-0003mA-Pg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:57:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKpKl-0003m1-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:57:23 +0100 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com ([192.93.164.30] helo=CRAWSMAIL2.uk.thalesgroup.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKpKg-0004oi-Rw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:57:22 +0100 Received: from crawsmail2.uk.thalesgroup.com (mailsweeper2.int.rdel.co.uk) by CRAWSMAIL2.uk.thalesgroup.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.14) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:55:43 +0100 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com (lisc0022.int.rdel.co.uk) by crawsmail2.uk.thalesgroup.com (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:57:49 +0100 Received: from temps153538.tms-ltd.com ([193.150.182.142]) by mail.uk.thalesgroup.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m6L6oYOl021049 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:50:50 +0100 Received: by temps153538.tms-ltd.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:56:55 +0100 Message-ID: <8E8D23D235D70840B6582917DF27898006935B95@temps153538.tms-ltd.com> From: Reeves Paul To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:56:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.909,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RADCOM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8EAFE.F5F33A50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EAFE.F5F33A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mal, Since you use the term rather a lot and I think we would all be interested, just what is your definition of an 'appliance operator' ? regards, Paul G8GJA -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net] Sent: 19 July 2008 16:57 To: rsgb Subject: LF: RADCOM I suppose RADCOM suits the Appliance Operator but not the discerning Radio Amateur. This is the conclusion to which I am drawn after reading recent postings on the reflector. de G3KEV This email, including any attachment, is a confidential communication intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. It contains information which is private and may be proprietary or covered by legal professional privilege. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender upon receipt, and immediately delete it from your system. Anything contained in this email that is not connected with the businesses of this company is neither endorsed by nor is the liability of this company. Whilst we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this email has been swept for viruses, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses, and would advise that you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EAFE.F5F33A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal,
 
Since=20 you use the term rather a lot and I think we would all be interested, just w= hat=20 is your definition of an 'appliance operator' ?
 
regards,
Paul    G8GJA
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I suppose RADCOM suits the Appliance Oper= ator but=20 not the discerning Radio Amateur. This is the conclusion to which I am dra= wn=20 after reading recent postings on the reflector.
de G3KEV
 

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EAFE.F5F33A50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB024-aac4883798d64; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:44:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB022-aac4883798d64; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:44:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKcxB-0002MJ-2W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:44:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKcxA-0002MA-Ih for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:44:12 +0100 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.153]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKcx7-0004rN-Pp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:44:12 +0100 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so342509ywk.64 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:44:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=S12E54dVSBBK1309Cbkhw9LhJqlQ9Mp6MZvg3pGPYMQ=; b=iohRSJsINxRZV99vrIGbVSr9PoAAum8ClDyyAQMs8Y4E59c8e7XWwdCnLHDldLfme0 bg7CEJBb9f4i65txSBPCWrV7R3BgyW8W59SeyvOJN+oCKHxRvePaIb2PEQRXtDHrcZM7 KUCkajo1MlPvEkOaM39oTmjHPp16aJpAk/I50= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=WItnNtXDm1PquCROE/Ns5lBz0scV3cDU2EoFcvEvUgAbt8UjZ3c7Ll5ZTU2jIMCAPI YvEH6WlIhcm+exAnl1EnSuPgcRApWdU5RjNg+LWwDYOUAdFAmxKUY/g4r26b+3HBUMU0 P+tH2UjF1XaZJmywMWvGHK6HDUUgoSR2LM29Q= Received: by 10.151.102.16 with SMTP id e16mr2733327ybm.188.1216575842320; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.50.21 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:44:02 +0100 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001901c8ea7c$5c51fb20$0401a8c0@lindavideo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <001901c8ea7c$5c51fb20$0401a8c0@lindavideo> X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF RadCom Articles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Send it in - sounds just like the sort of simple 'weekend' article several technical editors have been asking for. btw. By LCL output stage, assume you mean a lowpass Tee network? Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt design > and build our own equipment, but do not submit it for possible publication > because, state of the art technology it is not, the design is not > particularly elegant, and the Technical Editor and the more accomplished > contributors would fall over laughing when they saw it. But most of these > projects are practical and they work. I work on the KISS (Keep It Simple > Stupid) principle, don't use three components when one will work just as > well. My 500kHz TX does not have any fancy CW sidetone circuit on transmit, > just a piezo buzzer wired across the keyed 12v line to the driver board, the > most complicated bit is the LCL output stage, which delivers 23W into a > 50ohm dummy load and 900mA up the antenna, the TX/RX switching is like the > old days, a simple toggle switch. -- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINMD084-90b488ed5d225d; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:33:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD063-90b488ed5d225d; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:33:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KNkUN-0001cD-GP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:23:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KNkUE-0001c4-R9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:23:15 +0100 Received: from hpsmtp-eml19.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.84]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNkU8-0000D4-Dp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:23:11 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml109.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.109]) by hpsmtp-eml19.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:22:55 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml109.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:22:55 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c8f154$4d13a8a0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:22:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 08:22:55.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D59D960:01C8F154] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): captvo1na2907.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C8F165.106B7D90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C8F165.106B7D90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01C8F165.106B7D90" ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C8F165.106B7D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi joe, just a litlle trace I think, henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden= : captvo1na2907.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen he= t verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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<000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Units Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andy Talbot wrote: > The only country that doesn't oficially use the Metric system is the > USA, along with two tiny ones whose names don't come to mind. I think Myanmar and Liberia. > And > look what not using it cost the Nasa space programme! > How were these costs incurred? I have a detailed document describing the first United States manned orbital space flight and that was done using ft, inches, Lbs, degrees F etc, but that was in 1962. I find it hard to believe the use the same units these days. Modern USA scientific literature seems to be metric. Regards Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME062-9a04884793f38d; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:56:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME024-9a04884793f38d; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:55:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKtyq-0004Sg-4E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:55:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKtyp-0004SX-KZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:55:03 +0100 Received: from mailout10.t-online.de ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKtym-0003LP-D3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:55:03 +0100 Received: from fwd34.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1KKtyh-0005eJ-00; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:54:55 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (ESccorZdoh-U1qQGR6hTIIgkauLA8sd5YJEJp59+t3WKqbNdnnwowBqhV-lWsiPQGY@[217.95.108.171]) by fwd34.t-online.de with esmtp id 1KKtyY-2JdIrg0; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:54:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References: In-Reply-To: To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.05.0004 Date: 21 Jul 2008 11:54 GMT Message-ID: <1KKtyY-2JdIrg0@fwd34.t-online.de> X-ID: ESccorZdoh-U1qQGR6hTIIgkauLA8sd5YJEJp59+t3WKqbNdnnwowBqhV-lWsiPQGY X-TOI-MSGID: 97d47e6a-53b8-4210-9056-5be340cfbd9c X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Dear Andy, I guess these two loops should be fed by two rf signals of 90 degrees phase difference to become really omnidirectional. The same is true in receiving. The two signals from the loops have to be combined by a 90 degrees phase shift network. HW? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Andy Talbot" schrieb: > Was pondering this while out walking the other day, and couldn't come > to a satisfactory conclusion either way... > > A small magnetic loop mounted vertically has a defined radiation > resistance that is a function of its diameter, a loss that is function > of its conductor and hence a loss or efficiency that is the ratio of > the two. It is resonated with a good quality vacuum capacitor, and > fed/matched by any suitable metrhod. Lets also leave aside all the > myth and folklore about small loops, and also ignore the environment > for now. It also as a radiation pattern with nulls. > > Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre > line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling > between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and > resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original > value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled > in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. > > BUT... > What is the resulting change in efficiency? > > Argument 1: > Two identical loops = two times the loss R, but also two times the > radiation resistance (since they don't couple) so net efficiency > remains the same. > > Argument 2 : > Chu-Harrington relates efficiency / Q / bandwidth / volume enclosed. > Therefore, as the enclosed volume has increased, the effciency ought > to rise. > > Both arguments developed little side trendrils & thoughts as I walked > and pondered, and both appear valid in their own way. So > the floor is open for discussion :- > > And where does the net radiation pattern fit into the equation? Does > it, at all ? > -- > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > > ps. Fascinating paper on EMP btw. - I was up way past midnight last > night reading it. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG063-a0b487cef3d1f2; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:41:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG045-a0b487cef3d1f2; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:41:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KIpQr-0005hY-Iq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:39:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KIpQr-0005hP-0f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:39:25 +0100 Received: from smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KIpQm-0005oT-R6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:39:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 51169 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2008 18:39:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=k1ariRZJl5Qb/ji3VVu2aD4BJcY8GgeNozrS3VKN8VsUhql1C+0/UD4tKkz0J9UgXF/b//RlwRAk63/PKtze4F0ZGIJUIpWT/t4bnuiU6c6K6YvGOwyzLEBvG45xLlf5jF7jv1miPl1SME+DaplBeEHpf1pSXLLRV2ZSLs2MINA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.105?) (we0h@75.168.144.207 with plain) by smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2008 18:39:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: P5ghK6QVM1lJ2m.MqW05L9pYPDPDbpcjPNL6mBZiLY4bwOuluQfkTGiKnw.RGMd4UIjvzldnmf.8BFTJrHpwYipUT_b0IwXmjN0REg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <487CEEC6.3020906@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:39:02 -0500 From: Mike WE0H User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Early retirement and move to Alaska...hi hi... Mike WE0H Laurence 9V1 LF KL1 X wrote: > What Id give for just one qso! > > WTG Chris... > > Laurence 9V 1 LF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME061-9a7487a60c7c5; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:08:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME033-9a7487a60c7c5; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:08:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KI7rZ-0007Jv-SI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:08:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KI7rX-0007Jm-8Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:08:03 +0100 Received: from mx48.mail.ru ([194.67.23.226]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KI7rU-0000gC-Bp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:08:03 +0100 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=20183 helo=EFREMOV) by mx48.mail.ru with asmtp id 1KI7rM-000IFa-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:07:52 +0400 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <001501c8e524$07721700$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey RN3AGC" To: References: <003601c8b071$78496c90$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <000e01c8e518$5e449d70$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:07:02 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: OK X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: RN3AGC QRP beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ~ I am sorry, failure... 73 Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDA061-a824891a4042fe; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:38:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA082-a824891a4042fe; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:37:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOWSn-0006LI-2p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:36:57 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOWSm-0006L9-Hs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:36:56 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.71]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOWSj-000322-LI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:36:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 72540 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 11:36:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=xiaea1DH9+/6ZneHlhmQeav3gbqnX7CrnaIoDHPdYPUH2pmI7BrrFvw+AvCKtT/wGj69DT4MU1OWAfWIfEUhRDtpE3mmb5pqFcjF1iQXcvggo1LBiIDInY5qZA2CM7eHXPOHPSateZu82ph1BjhlcdXdphfPy3UxTVV9OStHa8o= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@btinternet.com@86.148.125.114 with login) by smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 11:36:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: acay36EVM1neoCXA3wt7vPJ_FvDgu7K3ejID_YVCRLdakGgj5niB3P4jk2MXMAHOI1lfKe3Aly1s0vDp3bfR8ZFPfLSaAfzNmseSlyNhiQhz8.OPCOJvoQiJNg_sCn4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6272EA7EA6094727A8EE25AB912F18BE@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <88A15F009F7B44C68AA1DBAF58F1D2AF@DennisPC> <48918C50.22493.BDB0CA@dave.davesergeant.com> In-Reply-To: <48918C50.22493.BDB0CA@dave.davesergeant.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:31:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: NOVICE LF OPERATOR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi Dave. Many thanks for the e-mail. Yes, Chris has been a great help. I usually work him on top band, but have yet to work him on 500kHz when I can monitor him without an antenna. I visited your website before applying for the NOV and was greatly encouraged by it. 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Sergeant" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: LF: NOVICE LF OPERATOR > On 31 Jul 2008 at 9:38, DENNIS EASTERLING wrote: > >> Location is Biggleswade about 60km North of London, Locator IO92UC > > Ah I guess you will be able to work Chris G3XIZ!! > > If you have not done so yet, have a look at my MF pages - > http://www.davesergeant.com/mf to see what you can do in a garden about > your size. > > 73 Dave G3YMC > > http://www.davesergeant.com > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG054-9f7487c9a9b368; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:40:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG021-9f7487c9a9b368; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:39:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KIjoB-00052S-Li for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:39:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KIjoB-00052J-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:39:07 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KIjo7-0002ZA-DQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:39:07 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W40 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:38:56 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [202.156.8.9] From: "Laurence 9V1 LF KL1 X" To: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:38:56 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2008 12:38:56.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF473230:01C8E677] X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7c9d6389-17c0-477e-8d02-87c4d110824e_" Subject: RE: LF: Re: 500 kHz - 500th QSO X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ~ X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_7c9d6389-17c0-477e-8d02-87c4d110824e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What Id give for just one qso! =20 WTG Chris... =20 Laurence 9V 1 LFThere was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz todaype= rmitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band.Stations worked:-496 G3DX= Z 497 G3UNT 498 G3ZWH 499 M0FMT 500 G3XPU 73Chris G3XIZ Not happy with your email address? 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There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500= kHz today
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500  G3XPU 
73
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IM on your terms. =3D --_7c9d6389-17c0-477e-8d02-87c4d110824e_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh01.mx.aol.com (rly-mh01.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.137]) by air-mh04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH043-bb8487e648b240; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:13:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH018-bb8487e648b240; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:13:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJEJK-0007SQ-UH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:13:18 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJEJK-0007SH-2x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:13:18 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.65]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJEJG-0000Km-9F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:13:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 83350 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2008 21:13:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=yWTiKH60EQjX6ABUECLt5e+I7mCMt2R65+QE3LPnXMSIZScgW82ULoeoTXxPoWmSUGjyGOogNLav3evhDnurDuJRvebB36HphlztJFtwAl+PP6dwal/ftgyEWcI/LJw/yn/t6BbKvaKxsTcPu4/hm0IbnpIps3Rj81qWpAxFCxI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.3.21 with login) by smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2008 21:13:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3qKdUgsVM1mVEb5V58HSfLMGraVIiMJ1ExkqrfHLYbX5VBFWFxBky0WaRS15s9ak52FsVrtYlYlkQi7CCIIpI5YiLgtflliqDr8gNz2olPCNpozeQWhNXFJFnOzmDOqapSfQUSpB_zTuQF43ZCqWhXV8 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:13:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi Nigel, whilst I agree with your sentiments it has to seen that those of us (you me and John at least :-)) ) who do know which end of a soldering iron gets hot are now in a minority amongst Radio Amateurs. It is interesting and slighly galling to go back and read the congratulatory letters when the "new design" was introduced. The demand for more articles like those describing tropical DXpeditions......well these may have been "selected" but they were genuine. Radcom is not the only "Journal" to suffer the attack of the "designers" Electronics World has had the same tacky "make-over" .....graph plots reduced to be too small to be usefully read yet acres of white space to bow to the magic "design" ratio of "text to white space" The latter has not had above one "proper electronics" article in the last two years, most being barely disguised advertising or PR handouts. The pure objective of conveying knowledge is it seems not sufficient. Printing half the text on top of a saturated colour picture or "design" is another abomination for readers like me with slowly failing eyesight. A sad end to the Highly Acclaimed Wireless World, an ancestor of RadCom in the 1920s.....never mind the content half close you eyes and look at the "picture" !! You will note my web site is in "Times Roman", black on white and no video clip/sound gimmicks....boring maybe, but it loads quickly and read the content !! It is not intended to be mindless entertainment. Moan over, best wishes both Alan G3NYK www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: Re: LF: satellites > > In a message dated 16/07/2008 21:07:05 GMT Daylight Time, jwgould@iee.org > writes: > > I've not got an axe to grind re RadCom, but is the lack of major > construction projects in RadCom more to do with there being less people doing the larger > scale design/construction projects as well as being motivated to write it > up for RadCom? > > > ---------------------- > > The use of internet groups to encourage cooperative design, both hardware > and software, has led to a real time project structure that doesn't necessarily > lend itself to the monthly magazine publishing schedule. > > This of course does not only affect RadCom but, unfortunately, RadCom as a > serious technical publication started to lose credibility when a recent past > editor attempted to turn it into something more akin to Women's Weekly, with > his requesting accounts of radio amateur romances on one occasion, whilst > dwelling more on his own interviews with radio "personalities" than matters > radio, which it would seem he didn't really understand. > > Whilst I don't suppose many tears were shed at his departure it doesn't seem > to me the RSGB has done the reputation of RadCom any more favours by > employing Elaine Richards in a similar position. > Especially when one considers that not very long ago she was suggesting > through the pages of her radio comic that reports on any form of radio activity, > legal or otherwise, would be welcomed. > > If RadCom is taken to be the "shop window" for the RSGB in general, then > perhaps it's time to ask what it is they think they're offering us for our money. > > For RadCom to be seriously considered as a technical publication again it > will be necessary to leave editorial control with those who have real technical > ability and not just scrape the barrel for anyone with prior magazine > experience. > > regards > > Nigel > GM8PZR > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD061-9284881087d1e8; 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Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:17:09 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080718211709399.616221C00083@mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4881055B.5070501@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:17:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.840 Subject: Re: LF: Units Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Peter, It was a recent mars mission, half the guidance software was in metric and the other was in imperial , the problem was neither actually knew it a the time .. and its either on its way, as noted in the hitch hikers guide, to the cafe at the end of the universe or its the cause of mars surface crater N + 1 , where N is a big number ! Our submarines sail with two sets of spanners , metric for 'our' bits and imperial for those items that originate slightly more to the west ! G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Dodd" Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:04 PM To: Subject: LF: Units > Andy Talbot wrote: >> The only country that doesn't oficially use the Metric system is the >> USA, along with two tiny ones whose names don't come to mind. > I think Myanmar and Liberia. >> And >> look what not using it cost the Nasa space programme! >> > How were these costs incurred? I have a detailed document describing the > first United States manned orbital space flight and that was done using > ft, inches, Lbs, degrees F etc, but that was in 1962. I find it hard to > believe the use the same units these days. > Modern USA scientific literature seems to be metric. > > Regards > > Peter, G3LDO > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: > 270.5.2/1561 - Release Date: 7/18/2008 18:35 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF032-53d487a8af22a8; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:08:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF036-53d487a8af22a8; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:08:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KIAfx-00081a-DE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:08:17 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KIAfx-00081R-0H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:08:17 +0100 Received: from smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.42]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KIAfs-0001cP-T9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:08:16 +0100 Received: (qmail 82146 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2008 23:08:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=F9KeQujkrEfoX/U1v7wqcKqlnbVks2P6x9BcOOCJ/s2eP6uQkBfD6p1GJnnb/0RfOu0diGDxiYeMQtLEd2ClfoSJKEnv07Zz2WopDhhL1ofCnq10GDKXI7XgNGRb1KNBkgX0WbjIJOf6DJxFFiYu8mcwA91CQRkc0/wqjT7mJfo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.105?) (we0h@75.168.144.207 with plain) by smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2008 23:08:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VZbLzh8VM1mYQJNaYAFDm7GEAIgp9OH0r2Xk_Cd0qKDtvC7b2vpImE.FRWm7qsaxjUtjh9tCeDlO5R7t3VA08TwX_vCz_yO1o1lK7bqoKDp.gQCYOHVF9E296kbGnAViAdD5OxSFRmyFPTofFjMAHFPs X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <487A8AD4.8060705@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:08:04 -0500 From: Mike WE0H User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879 Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Get Mal to write up some how to articles about 600 meters and submit those to Radcom. Might get things going again? Mike WE0H WD2XSH/16 on 600 meters David wrote: Mal. Amsat is alive and well. - Not sure about the recent American, Eagle and Intelsat projects though. Sadly it's Rad Com that seems to have fizzled out. It must be months since they have had a real construction project. Perhaps its money saving, but it does seem as though all creativity is now limited to existing columnists. It appears to have evolved from technical journal to newspaper. 73 David From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD091-b6b488395a52e0; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:44:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD035-b6b488395a52e0; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:44:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKep6-0002pE-0b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:44:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKep5-0002p5-Bm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:43:59 +0100 Received: from smtp120.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.84.77]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKep4-0002ad-SM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:43:59 +0100 Received: (qmail 17244 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2008 19:43:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=BmXyd5UUaE/NwObM4kvETbk3M8jRYFzQ1KVIUUtBlxyZDt0f+N+veq7SihznLqCxvsVL+2NoR2qsXeTxIXbbVn41Mq7mZTb1lPFQTxcawwtij4IbjyRzC6zYQ8Mx3NUpVah9BRe8TWRseLHLaQATLY+em0WRE4sFX8EI0biNi9c= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@btinternet.com@86.134.102.178 with login) by smtp120.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 19:43:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JdXC8n4VM1l3hsxFIZLxBus549NBbTt4uAV0WiEziuPaif1MNDp9ScQPvgX2JpeLbTGH2iz2Ck0DknuRMf_Qx8klXZt.ZEU5zuJAbz_IWs3sSssDeW50laRkflajViZSabQuZueBzOBRVNvYxmNOYMM7 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <002501c8eaa0$ee4f4ae0$0401a8c0@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <001901c8ea7c$5c51fb20$0401a8c0@lindavideo> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:43:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF RadCom Articles Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi Andy. A simple L C L circuit as described in the Solid State Design for Radio Amatuers Book, but I made the 'C' variable so I can tune it up in a similar manner to that of PI tank circuit. I dont have any CAD for diagrams, all the pcb artwork was done by hand, I had a bit of techniacl smoke with the first PA a few dead power MOSFETS on the shack floor, but a chat with Chris G3XIZ and it was sorted out. Technical writing is ok as I used to write technical specifications and technical trial reports at BT. 73 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF RadCom Articles > Send it in - sounds just like the sort of simple 'weekend' article > several technical editors have been asking for. > > btw. By LCL output stage, assume you mean a lowpass Tee network? > > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > > design >> and build our own equipment, but do not submit it for possible >> publication >> because, state of the art technology it is not, the design is not >> particularly elegant, and the Technical Editor and the more accomplished >> contributors would fall over laughing when they saw it. But most of these >> projects are practical and they work. I work on the KISS (Keep It Simple >> Stupid) principle, don't use three components when one will work just as >> well. My 500kHz TX does not have any fancy CW sidetone circuit on >> transmit, >> just a piezo buzzer wired across the keyed 12v line to the driver board, >> the >> most complicated bit is the LCL output stage, which delivers 23W into a >> 50ohm dummy load and 900mA up the antenna, the TX/RX switching is like >> the >> old days, a simple toggle switch. > > > -- > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-aac4888dbe5bd; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:45:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB022-aac4888dbe5bd; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:45:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KM6kh-0004LB-JZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:45:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KM6kh-0004L2-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:45:27 +0100 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.246]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KM6kd-00038W-2u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:45:26 +0100 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b20so720233ana.9 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:45:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:date:mime-version :subject:message-id:priority:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-description:sender; bh=+INeEvSoveOe3qMb161QijCTvr5Qxyw/KQu8pi53/Yc=; b=TifrlF6erlaU/SGIDMQLwLns3HLzDELkmGMM/fyxuXGeHEYlpvciS8RNcs5Ci8R/x1 wu9yg0modU5kTdwtos283nCpaXror5M88qb51Gb8Y//we80/WlMYuug/Y7VC6B3Xldhb LnOplgdKf6Zvq3iOZpeOP6YcxJE+9zJdh2yso= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:date:mime-version:subject:message-id:priority:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-description:sender; b=oTk9pQWiJoOq6jqmc6R9+C98Zu0FJOJN3YkwpLRnzBgZg3WYvj+FEOg3ZHByU6dlP7 wwKb9n/BP5d2Og+gcymK5kqpEAaP5+Bg4tAArpm7lwsFJkfREsDIPc4f04RmeykD0CGI Ysw8X9NJdo9oDmF6mazZAEHZxnVOYWAupBbJo= Received: by 10.100.214.19 with SMTP id m19mr1246083ang.1.1216928718935; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.5? ( [86.149.242.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm6615356hse.15.2008.07.24.12.45.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:45:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:45:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4888E9D9.952.315D524@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <000a01c8edb7$0174f7a0$713a2e40@p1i5f0> References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920>, <000a01c8edb7$0174f7a0$713a2e40@p1i5f0> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 600m Info Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n On 24 Jul 2008 at 10:59, Steve McDonald wrote: > Are there any web sites devoted to 600m circuits etc? I am aware of the > U.S. group one as well as G3YMC's page and N4ICK's tx design, but > perhaps there are others as well? The only other ones I know of are listed on my 500kHz activity page: http://www.davesergeant.com/mf/activity.htm But that was written over a year ago and there may well be a few more now. If so I will add them. One of these days I might even get back on the band... 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD103-b5c4887a3fb29; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:35:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD016-b5c4887a3fb29; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:34:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KLlyA-0001YV-3G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:33:58 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KLly8-0001YM-Tf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:33:56 +0100 Received: from mailfilter14.ihug.co.nz ([203.109.136.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KLly4-0006QB-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:33:56 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAExAh0h2XLKM/2dsb2JhbAC0LIF9 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,240,1215345600"; d="scan'208";a="29743463" Received: from 118-92-178-140.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz (HELO athlon1200) ([118.92.178.140]) by smtp.mailfilter6.ihug.co.nz with SMTP; 24 Jul 2008 09:33:47 +1200 Message-ID: <024c01c8ed0b$c29ecf70$7900a8c0@athlon1200> From: "Dave Brown" To: References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <3652E16C8DF5458ABDD4D14CF2537C0A@AGB> <004a01c8eb5e$f72eed00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <18E35B939E2A4A418472A930207A288D@AGB> <001701c8ed07$d9f49d20$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:33:32 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + Use one of these http://sharon.esrac.ele.tue.nl/mirrors/zl1bpu/micro/EXCITER/Index.htm to generate half the output frequency and double that -you may even get by with feeding the ~250 kHz into the stage originally intended as the oscillator and running it as a doubler. Alternatively- use the exciter as is (it wont quite stretch to 500 kHz out - directly) and another xtal to mix it onto 500 kHz-that way you get to use all the exciter capabilities at 500 kHz without having to think about the effect of doubling everything. And since the exciter can operate anywhere from DC to 300 KHz or so you have a wide choice of mixing xtal frequencies. 73 Dave, ZL3FJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:05 AM Subject: LF: Re: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , > Hi Graham 500khz crystals are quite difficult to make and certainly > you > wount fine one in a smaller package than HC6/U as far as I remember. > There > are some 10X series rocks that were used in one of the frequency > calibrators > (No 10 I think) They will need chasing up a little with some > "scouring > powder". I think that is probably the best bet.....good luck finding > one...... I have one but its part of my crystal collection so not > for sale > :-)) > > I have seen 453.xx kHz crystals in HC6/U but never come across any > 500kHz. > You could always put a 500kHz ceramic resonator inside an HC6/U case > !! > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:14 PM > Subject: LF: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 > 504 Khz , > > > Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , > > Pref round 502 KHz , fundamental, needs to be a 'big' one , for a > valve > oscillator ! > > I assume hc6u would be ok or bigger , these look to be the right > type ! > > http://hipme.com/weblogs/wa5znu/20050302210827/xtals.jpg > > Tnx - G .. > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: > 23/07/2008 13:31 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (rly-ma05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.49]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA082-8ae488909b930f; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:01:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA058-8ae488909b930f; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:01:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KM9na-0004yW-FF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:00:38 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KM9na-0004yN-0v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:00:38 +0100 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.170]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KM9nW-0006BG-Kz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:00:37 +0100 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so2531735wfa.16 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:00:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=K8UVfcU41jDq/p8fmNIYVCaKcfRLTIeHorBRXLYsfE0=; b=KO9yGSE96TgedokAmpeIIGCxLa4SF9y6MQ4syTY7JSujM4aNPFU/v88O7aP0b4OCX7 1E2K4lZKE8h7mtyOKRUfbKh+eNoGH4h3AYqlMs0/qqKfgeLxGDTxuuWIbZaK44I+6alo YodwSFVqGqCf/jSWFjnugO8+RL3Ygy+OxYuKw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=we9f56AdHDu6/t51vwqyhMGzIap8oU24IDs7oQ5br06qaQVTGdej2LAe0XsMLkenEp jRDT+5Z7Bv8rIntEsBHibBMaZlLxnFsjAEU6owjzJgdzlNQqCxiH7llvAv7eJJw7F79R w87m/NWMhdy2c8paq8bMOiKdyqCU8n7Id3nLs= Received: by 10.143.30.10 with SMTP id h10mr300436wfj.7.1216940432201; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.37.10 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <57a24ca70807241600l38107d28lb3f9dde75239fa5f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:00:32 -0400 From: "Warren Ziegler" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000a01c8edb7$0174f7a0$713a2e40@p1i5f0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> <4880B1E7.3040008@ntlworld.com> <000a01c8edb7$0174f7a0$713a2e40@p1i5f0> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 600m Info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Steve, Feel free to use The Lowfer Forum: http://www.kc3ol.dynip.com/forums/index.php There is some 600m stuff up there already. 73 Warren K2ORS On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Steve McDonald wrote: > Are there any web sites devoted to 600m circuits etc? I am aware of the U.S. > group one as well as G3YMC's page and N4ICK's tx design, but perhaps there > are others as well? > > Several of the 2200m experimental licencees have just been asked to submit > formal proposals for 600m experimental permits here in Canada so things are > starting to look positive but I have no idea of the timeline. Just in case, > I thought I had better get the soldering iron warmed-up once again, not that > it has ever really cooled-off. > > Also...does anyone know how well the M0MBU scope match circuit (that works > so wonderfully-well on 2200m) performs on 600m without any modification? > > Steve / VE7SL > > Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm > > > > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA033-a684883b25761; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:47:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA048-a684883b25761; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:47:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKgju-0003IG-TF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:46:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKgju-0003I7-Fw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:46:46 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKgjr-0006QV-5o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:46:46 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 85C381C0008E for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:46:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.37.113]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 2C1CB1C0008A for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:46:34 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080720214634180.2C1CB1C0008A@mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <00e001c8eaaa$364a0660$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:46:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 KHzTX Test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0091_01C8EABA.740D1450" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C8EABA.740D1450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, Reaching Wallasey ok , showing about 30 db , over back ground noise level (= un tuned) on R5000=20 , why not drop down to 501.250 , Shetland is running ? G .. From: Gary - G4WGT=20 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:50 PM To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20 Subject: LF: 500 KHzTX Test Hi LF, =20 Testing at the moment with 34 watts Tx - 100mW ERP - 503.600 KHz - 12wpm CW=20= at 1 minute intervals. =20 Reports welcome. =20 73, =20 Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. =20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12= :59 ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C8EABA.740D1450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gary,
 
Reaching Wallasey ok , showing about 3= 0 =20 db , over back ground noise level (un tuned) on R5000
 
 , why not drop down to  501.250=20= ,=20 Shetland is running ?
 
G ..

Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:50 PM
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Hi=20 LF,

 

Testing at the=20 moment with 34 watts Tx - 100mW ERP =96 503.600 KHz =96 12wpm CW at 1 minute= =20 intervals.

 

Reports=20 welcome.

 

73,=

 

Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83QP.

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C8EABA.740D1450-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD051-8e3487e54ca393; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:07:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD013-8e3487e54ca393; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:06:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJDFi-0007D0-4q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:05:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJDFh-0007Cr-CB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:05:29 +0100 Received: from smarthost02.mail.mbr-roch.zen.net.uk ([212.23.3.141] helo=smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJDFe-0006F2-8S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:05:29 +0100 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJDFa-0001Is-O7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:05:22 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:07:17 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01c8e77f$940caa60$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjlN+usuDcoK9PVQ+WRZY0RwxjdgACQ7aUA Importance: Normal X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [82.68.18.174] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.000,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: satellites Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C8E787.F5D11260" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C8E787.F5D11260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've not got an axe to grind re RadCom, but is the lack of major construction projects in RadCom more to do with there being less people doing the larger scale design/construction projects as well as being motivated to write it up for RadCom? Maybe it's also related to SMD and the increasing demise of discrete components that makes some potential authors feel that replication of designs will be more difficult and lead to a lot of subsequent correspondence. =20 =20 I have a feeling that many of the innovative designers are currently quite involved with projects such as the satellites/microwaves, with which David will be more familiar than I, and with with hardware/software projects. With well supported Internet reflectors RadCom may not be see by those involved in these types of development as the ideal platform with which to publish their work. =20 =20 What I would like to see, and be prepared to support, is for those who have done some interesting construction or experimentation on 500kHz write it up for RadCom. Whilst we are preparing for Agenda Item 1.23 at WRC-11 we need to raise awareness not only within the UK, but also with other National Societies, of the work and results that have been obtained on 500kHz. Maintaining the 500kHz proposal on the agenda for the conference is not a certainty, so good quality publications relating to 500kHz experiments and operating in RadCom, QEX, CQ DL & CQ-QSO, etc, ought to be a priority. =20 73 John, G3WKL ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C8E787.F5D11260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I've not got an axe to=20= grind re=20 RadCom, but is the lack of major construction projects in=20 RadCom more to do with there being less people doing the larger=20 scale design/construction projects as well as being motivated to w= rite=20 it up for RadCom?  Maybe it's also related to SMD and the increasing de= mise=20 of discrete components that makes some potential authors feel that replicati= on=20 of designs will be more difficult and lead to a lot of subsequent=20 correspondence. 
 
I have a feeling that=20 many of the innovative designers are currently quite involved with proj= ects=20 such as the satellites/microwaves, with which David will be more famili= ar=20 than I, and with with hardware/software projects.  With well=20 supported Internet reflectors RadCom may not be see by those involved i= n=20 these types of development as the ideal platform with which to publish their= =20 work. 
 
What I would like to se= e, and=20 be prepared to support, is for those who have done some interesting=20 construction or experimentation on 500kHz write it up for RadCom.  Whil= st=20 we are preparing for Agenda Item 1.23 at WRC-11 we need to raise awaren= ess=20 not only within the UK, but also with other National Societies, of the work=20= and=20 results that have been obtained on 500kHz.  Maintaining the 500kHz prop= osal=20 on the agenda for the conference is not a certainty, so good quality=20 publications relating to 500kHz experiments and operating in RadCom, QE= X,=20 CQ DL & CQ-QSO, etc, ought to be a priority.
 
73 John,=20 G3WKL
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hi joe,
nice capture
henny pa3cpm
best 73s
 
 
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X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Gentlemen - I have been happily overwhelmed with numerous responses to my inquiry. Many thanks to all of you who took the time to send links and valuable hints & kinks. I have no idea of our 600m timeline here but things seem to be moving faster than I had anticipated and RAC is pushing hard for our cause with Industry Canada. Hopefully we could be operational later this year but this is just a wishful guess at the moment. I will begin construction shortly on something basic that will give me around 100W for starters and then begin transverter construction in order to run some fsk modes. Our experimental licences will be geared towards fleshing out 600m for regional emergency networks reliability over various paths and conditions. It is also looking as if we will be able to work other stations within the amateur service, either directly on 600m or via crossband but nothing has yet been written in stone. Thanks all again for the flood of good information. 73 - Steve / VE7SL Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD092-b86488492bd7c; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:44:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD068-b86488492bd7c; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:44:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKvgM-0005OC-PL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:44:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKvgM-0005O3-Aw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:44:06 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.62]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKvgI-0004WL-HZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:44:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 8822 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 13:43:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=d1IyUHf+nD/nnH2kKMrlG9/41XkTBlzy6LUlG+6Qjhn44Dqg7ytx2/SnaqoMeHAZHu9YdZQPWmPLxtub/8onNCHquukM4cUE5Qpmpo3yQp99jsZKtMJrLObWMoTHlLaddj7us3hyXQ0EtRrFTJSy5ToxEKyLkfhIOmcv5fIIxZQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.11.174 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 13:43:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xEghHu8VM1m24zu2an.hrRkLLN9Tc_NDatc6UcNSahS80cxIRl22.G7qBoIt6WpuhXjRrwkXsrGHVJ5BW_O.WCvxp9WKz78IIbLkU1CdpTQTvvqLvvo610V1EjTucyr.rjw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <007e01c8eb37$d0733940$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <1KKtyY-2JdIrg0@fwd34.t-online.de> <48848B4B.3070401@w1tag.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:43:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Gosh are you guys getting civilised at last, to recognise a spherical football Ok course one would have make corrections for the "Beckham Effect" ! Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum > Andy, > > Better yet, take a soccer ball and start winding wire around it until > you have completed a 90 degree arc on both sides. What's the resulting > pattern? > > John Andrews, W1TAG > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA012-a7d4884bd3f4b; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:46:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA075-a7d4884bd3f4b; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:45:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKyVt-00068E-5F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:45:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKyVs-000685-Nf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:45:28 +0100 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.158] helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKyVp-0004KM-0q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:45:28 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3002.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 711051C00148 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:45:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.59.193]) by mwinf3002.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 14E5D1C00147 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:45:10 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080721164513859.14E5D1C00147@mwinf3002.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <3652E16C8DF5458ABDD4D14CF2537C0A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:45:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz TX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8EB59.81E22F80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8EB59.81E22F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: mal hamilton=20 ''''My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled components from the junk box.''''' G-I-G-O , proved once again, as we appliance users used to say ,=20 you couldn't make it up ! G .. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8EB59.81E22F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

 

''''My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled=20 components from the junk box.'''''
 
 
G-I-G-O , proved once again, as we applianc= e users=20 used to say ,
 
you couldn't make it=20 up !
 
G ..  
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8EB59.81E22F80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA023-8d6487a815a40; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:27:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA108-8d6487a815a40; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:27:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KIA2P-0007s6-Qe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:27:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KIA2P-0007rx-C1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:27:25 +0100 Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KIA2N-0003NW-7M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:27:25 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id l.c6c.2ad50b9f (42805) for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:27:14 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:27:14 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1215988033" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + -------------------------------1215988033 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 13/07/2008 22:10:42 GMT Standard Time, jh.bodin@telia.com writes: Mal, try http://www.amsat.org 73 Johan SM6LKM mal hamilton wrote: > I have not seen any mention of satellite acty in Radcom for a long time, > has this also fizzled out. Mal. Amsat is alive and well. - Not sure about the recent American, Eagle and Intelsat projects though. Sadly it's Rad Com that seems to have fizzled out. It must be months since they have had a real construction project. Perhaps its money saving, but it does seem as though all creativity is now limited to existing columnists. It appears to have evolved from technical journal to newspaper. 73 David -------------------------------1215988033 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 13/07/2008 22:10:42 GMT Standard Time,=20 jh.bodin@telia.com writes:
Mal,=

try http://www.amsat.org

73 Johan=20 SM6LKM


mal hamilton wrote:
> I have not seen any mention=20= of=20 satellite acty in Radcom for a long time,
> has this also fizzled=20 out.

Mal.
 
Amsat is alive and well. - Not sure about the recent American, Eag= le=20 and Intelsat projects though.
 
Sadly it's Rad Com that seems to have fizzled out.  It must be mon= ths=20 since they have had a real construction project. Perhaps its money saving, b= ut=20 it does seem as though all creativity is now limited to existing=20 columnists. It appears to have evolved from technical journal to=20 newspaper.
 
73
 
David
 -------------------------------1215988033-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-aed487b468f1f9; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:29:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB103-aed487b468f1f9; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:29:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KIN7T-0001CX-HZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:25:31 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KIN7R-0001CL-B6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:25:29 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.52]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KIN7K-0005kQ-AA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:25:27 +0100 X-Trace: 46911804/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.33.87 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.33.87 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUEAMzhekhYaiFX/2dsb2JhbACCcms0h0adOAM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.30,359,1212361200"; d="scan'208,217";a="46911804" Received: from 88-106-33-87.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.33.87]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2008 13:25:02 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:24:57 +0100 Message-ID: <006b01c8e5ac$a3f86600$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcjlJuCd8PZrcQVARay8sckRrmj2qAAhZgog X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080714-0, 14/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C8E5B5.05BCCE00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C8E5B5.05BCCE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Well done, heard you up here also but not really strong. Gary - G4WGT. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Chris Osborn Sent: 13 July 2008 21:25 To: LF Group Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO LF / MF There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz today permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band. Stations worked:- 496 G3DXZ 497 G3UNT 498 G3ZWH 499 M0FMT 500 G3XPU 73 Chris G3XIZ _____ Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C8E5B5.05BCCE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Chris,

&nb= sp;

Well done, heard you up here also but not really strong.=

&nb= sp;

Gary = 211; G4WGT.

&nb= sp;

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] On Behalf Of Chris Osborn<= br> Sent: 13 July 2008 21:25
To: LF Group
Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th=20= QSO

 

LF / MF

There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz today
permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band.

Stations worked:-

496  G3DXZ 
497  G3UNT 
498  G3ZWH 
499  M0FMT 
500  G3XPU 

73
Chris G3XIZ

 

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------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C8E5B5.05BCCE00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG021-a1248847c3b4f; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:08:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG054-a1248847c3b4f; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:08:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKuBT-0004qb-Qd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:08:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKuBR-0004qS-9Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:08:05 +0100 Received: from smtpout18.attiva.biz ([85.37.16.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKuBO-00025N-Gr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:08:05 +0100 Received: from FBCMFE02B20.fbc.local ([192.168.31.245]) by smtpout18.attiva.biz with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:07:55 +0200 Received: from imac1.spineletronic2.191.it ([87.24.41.185]) by FBCMFE02B20.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:07:54 +0200 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:07:53 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Marco IK1ODO -2 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2008 12:07:54.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[6812B770:01C8EB2A] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n At 13.29 21/07/2008, you wrote: >Was pondering this while out walking the other day, and couldn't come >to a satisfactory conclusion either way... > >A small magnetic loop mounted vertically has a defined radiation >resistance that is a function of its diameter, a loss that is function >of its conductor and hence a loss or efficiency that is the ratio of >the two. It is resonated with a good quality vacuum capacitor, and >fed/matched by any suitable metrhod. Lets also leave aside all the >myth and folklore about small loops, and also ignore the environment >for now. It also as a radiation pattern with nulls. > >Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre >line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling >between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and >resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original >value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled >in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. > >BUT... >What is the resulting change in efficiency? Andy, just my 2 cents: you have two magnetic fields in phase, that sum as vectors. So, from a distance you see only one vector, sum of the two, with nulls and so on; and you sum the areas of the two loops, projected on the plane orthogonal to the vector. If the loops are orthogonal between them you have a 1.41 times the effective area, and two times the resistance. The radiation pattern is not omnidirectional at all, and the total efficiency decreases. This is an intuitive reasoning... not scientific, HI. 73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA074-8954873298b1e3; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 04:47:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA027-8954873298b1e3; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 04:47:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KG8pg-0006Bg-KD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:45:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KG8pf-0006BX-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:45:55 +0100 Received: from web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.123]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KG8pf-0007Jy-QJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:45:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 50289 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 2008 08:45:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=UVqHZA5c78sixwRKqWkpCetUgKJWTMfA3pmaa3cOCi1HPozFGDoQe8X29ww9nVZ8iI44oIY7TbPKbwihUNF0Vj+zB3NGY93bBev+/V4B5HfBQScdDSh6rnTRJSG26BaU/f4BTIqeTh/Q7upQ5tsiqTnasK8BuPXo2PnJuhbYYUE=; Received: from [86.137.241.64] by web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:45:49 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:45:49 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <62688.50205.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Copy - SAQ TRANSMISSION 2008-06-29 ALEXANDER DAY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-785276668-1215506749=:50205" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n --0-785276668-1215506749=:50205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Preliminary Summary Report on SAQ transmisson 2008-06-29. Sunday, 6 July, 2008 2:16 PM From:=20 "Lars K=C3=A5lland" Add sender to Contacts=20 To:=20 "SVASS/Lars Kld/HARALD" Message contains attachments SAQ - REPORTS OF TRANSMISSION 2008-06-29 ALEXANDER DAY - VERSION 1.doc (299K= B) =C2=A0 CQ DE SAQ/SM6NM =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please read our "Preliminary Summary Reports" from "Alexander Day" June 29 2= 008. The list will be up-dated on our web site www.alexander.n.se. =C2=A0 190 reports, so far.The signal was weak in US but was heard in Asiatic Russi= a and in Japan. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yours =C2=A0 Lars Kalland SM6NM =C2=A0 __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now=20= at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html --0-785276668-1215506749=:50205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Get the one you=20 really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! --0-785276668-1215506749=:50205-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF052-98748837f9879; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:10:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF105-98748837f9879; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:10:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKdMQ-0002ZP-CM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:10:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKdMP-0002ZG-UO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:10:17 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKdMM-000540-Mh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:10:17 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEABocg0hOlT9i/2dsb2JhbACEXKhC Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.63.98]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 19:10:05 +0100 Message-ID: <002101c8ea93$d6a09780$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <001601c8ea81$06520b20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:10:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Have you missed the news, there are two wars going on at the moment in the middle east and if some of the participants had a H-bomb device I think they would squeeze the trigger. They do not seem to be bothered about themselves or their own infrastructure. You seem to be out of touch. I prefer to stick to VALVES/TUBES and MORSE KEYS and not politics, and not be caught out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom > Which big bang ? A few superpowers may have tested the occasional EMP > weapon with 'interesting' findings, but no one ever deployed one - > they all realised the potential for damaging thier own infrastructure > as well as the target's. And contrary to all the popular sci-fi films > and myths of the era, a normal ground-burst or even air-burst of a few > MT does not generate damaging EMP. It has to be a true exo-atmopheric > explosion at a height to do practically no other damage, and of a > mechanism yielding mainly high energy gamma / X-rays to generate the > necessary Compton scattering. > > The stories put-about back then were incorrect and partly propaganda, > but also genuine misunderstanding of the respective countries' > techology capabilities, and their modus-operandi > > Andy G4JNT > > 2008/7/20 mal hamilton : >> When the big BANG comes you will regret not having learned about >> VALVES/TUBES and how to use them. >> These have a good chance of survival when all the chips have FRIED and >> being >> able to use a morse key a bonus. >> G3KEV >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" >> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:24 AM >> Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom >> >> >>> Two pijnts... >>> 1) Satellites >>> Having just joined Amsat (because I felt I 'ought' to) I'm less than >>> impressed with a) Oscar News which has had no technical content in the >>> two issues so far received, and b) The Amsat -UK web site. In spite >>> of supposed to being able to log in I can't after several requests. >>> Seems there is nothing there anyway >>> So all in all, don't look to much from the UK Am satellite scene. >>> >>> 2) Constructional articles >>> Radcom is always looking out for things. My new column can continue >>> based on years of my own-experimentation and building in quintillions >>> of different subject areas from DC to pink light, digits and analogue, >>> but I would like input from others. Anything that isn't yet another >>> wire antenna or a new H-Mode mixer, and certainly no valves would be >>> welcome; mid-range to upper end technology is preferred using >>> modern(ish, in amateur terms) devices. Don't want to cover simple >>> basics, that is best left to Eamon and Ian in their columns. >>> >>> Waiting... >>> >>> Andy G4JNT >>> www.scrbg.org/g4jnt >>> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF034-550488ce9fe12d; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:35:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF055-550488ce9fe12d; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:34:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KNDsU-00070V-LI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:34:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KNDsU-00070M-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:34:06 +0100 Received: from simone.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.77]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNDsR-0002N8-4R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:34:06 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by simone.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6RLXtTq025345 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:03:55 -0230 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:03:55 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001601c8f007$6761f750$7c7ba8c0@ACER> Message-ID: References: <001601c8f007$6761f750$7c7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Henny, Thank-you for the report. The TX is running normally. 73 Joe On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, henny van elst wrote: > hi joe, > > nothing seen on the screen today > henny pa3cpm > gl 73s From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh02.mx.aol.com (rly-mh02.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.138]) by air-mh06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH064-bb94871c5f634; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:30:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH021-bb94871c5f634; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:30:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KFl98-0004ot-6Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:28:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KFl97-0004ok-Hi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:28:25 +0100 Received: from hpsmtp-eml15.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.115]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KFl94-0007fj-N5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:28:25 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml110.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.110]) by hpsmtp-eml15.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:28:15 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml110.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:28:14 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c8e003$0372fb90$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:28:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2008 07:28:14.0056 (UTC) FILETIME=[043B0680:01C8E003] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Fw: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): vo1na0707.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8E013.C6EE0FF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8E013.C6EE0FF0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000A_01C8E013.C6EE0FF0" ------=_NextPart_001_000A_01C8E013.C6EE0FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: henny van elst=20 To: jcraig@mun.ca=20 Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): vo1na0707.jpg hi joe, just a little trace 73 henny pa3cpm Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden= : vo1na0707.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen he= t verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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[172.19.141.152]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD074-b7e4880994d128; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:23:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD058-b7e4880994d128; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:23:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJpvV-0003c1-85 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:23:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJpvU-0003bq-S0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:23:12 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJpvR-0002AM-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:23:12 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAFA2gEhOkJ5h/2dsb2JhbACEW6pd Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.158.97]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 14:22:57 +0100 Message-ID: <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:22:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n How about all the different weights and measures used throughout the world plus the different currencies. The majority of countries do not use the metric system, not even in some parts of EU. If a radio amateur gets confused over resistors perhaps he is better suited to the internet and a mobile phone. de G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM >> Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the >> traditional squiggle for a resistor. > > Using different names, symbols or abbreviations can lead to confusion and > thus errors. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh12.mx.aol.com (rly-mh12.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.148]) by air-mh04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH044-61f4869f0d8e9; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:55:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh12.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH122-61f4869f0d8e9; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:54:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KDbcT-0007bY-6T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 09:53:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KDbcS-0007bP-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 09:53:48 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpo-eml06.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.155]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KDbcP-0001Ww-29 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 09:53:48 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml113.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.113]) by cpsmtpo-eml06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:53:39 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml113.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:53:39 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c8db57$f4b61330$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:53:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2008 08:53:39.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4ECB390:01C8DB57] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C8DB68.B8267930" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C8DB68.B8267930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi joe, today nothing on the screen, henny pa3cpm gl=20 best 73s ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C8DB68.B8267930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi joe,
today nothing on the=20 screen,
henny pa3cpm
gl
best=20 73s
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C8DB68.B8267930-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md03.mx.aol.com (rly-md03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.141]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD052-8f2486f391fc3; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:04:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD032-8f2486f391fc3; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:04:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KF3ge-0008Mw-MH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:04:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KF3ge-0008Mn-7e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:04:08 +0100 Received: from mx6.mail.ru ([194.67.23.26]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KF3ga-0001tn-Mf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:04:08 +0100 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=55250 helo=EFREMOV) by mx6.mail.ru with asmtp id 1KF3gR-0003Vp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:03:55 +0400 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <002901c8de7d$f8991780$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey RN3AGC" To: References: <000501c8dba6$62a03620$0301a8c0@g3kev> <486A78F4.7030500@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:02:15 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: OK X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Signals on 440 khz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ~ Hello LF-group! What it on 440 khz http://www.cln.ru/~efremov/files/440.jpg ? Transmitters of similar signals work in a strip 439.998 - 440.012 khz. I pay your attention, the Argo in qrss90. 73 Andrey RN3AGC in KO85SV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de10.mx.aol.com (rly-de10.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.146]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-50a4880a68311b; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:20:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE105-50a4880a68311b; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:19:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJqmB-0003zP-Jg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:17:39 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJqm7-0003zG-Sg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:17:36 +0100 Received: from mail2.imagen.ca ([208.181.178.12]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJqm1-00007M-EZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:17:34 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.imagen.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DE61EF8D82 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:17:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Score: -2.599 Received: from mail2.imagen.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail2.imagen.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id TWafhzsrvM9v for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p1i5f0 (unknown [64.46.58.105]) by mail2.imagen.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 5316E1EF8AD3 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:17:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n > So stop this "real radio amateur" and "CW only" crap and allow us to > enjoy the hobby in a way that we enjoy, to the best of our imperfect > abilities. >dave >G8SZX Dave - you'll have to excuse Mal as, once again, I think he's got the LF reflector confused with the OF (Old Fart) reflector. VE7SL Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-53a4877a38b151; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:17:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF033-53a4877a38b151; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:16:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KHN9x-0002j0-Iz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:15:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KHN9w-0002ir-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:15:56 +0100 Received: from smtp104.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.85.214]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KHN9w-0008Bj-7B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:15:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 28568 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2008 18:15:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=izqZaDBpma7QfzMVto1+Qh8uvNfD9W/L7pBKZKLSvOmMajcIwEB25duMjx142vGN9WDOV0s10Bq0oQovbFItdjJ9Nd7HMsS4IrSGC7YrDLtivEH7Q+iixIAPn61Jhos2C1sCqu+BNat9H19fxN60e1c9ErsWz4fStVn6IFYAKhQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@btinternet.com@81.154.166.143 with login) by smtp104.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 18:15:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: otNrQFAVM1k8lUl_Om7.ElmWjg7X7OfTde83IbPkHtRTawCV4Lw9RCGnYxWaJziZqcXyJBIUqEduPf2F.bir1xt4UJRR.gW2HRcsM_jKwt80O42gi6Rk2iJgYjieIlER075cAg2PulJ7fnLIfg9qBcpz X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001501c8e382$202fb430$0401a8c0@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <004c01c8e36c$99bef1a0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:15:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C8E38A.80B95240" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C8E38A.80B95240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had a very nice QSO with M0FMT this morning, still using 100mW, I am in th= e process of constructing a 1W erp PA. Regards. Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: LF: test It looks like LF/MF has died in the UK and the rest of EU. There has never been more than 5 dedicatred CW operators interested in hav= ing a QSO that has now almost fizzled out. 500 khz has never really been a starter. The only current activity seems to be Beacon mode on 505 khz but that adds= little to the band because there are already hundreds of beacons active to=20= choose from if one is interested in world wide propagation tests.=20 de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C8E38A.80B95240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had a very nice QSO with M0FMT this morni= ng,=20 still using 100mW, I am in the process of constructing a 1W erp PA.
 
Regards.
 
Ken  M0KHW
----- Original Message -----
mal= =20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:41 PM=
Subject: LF: test

It looks like LF/MF has died in the&= nbsp;UK=20 and the rest of EU.
There has never been more than 5 dedicatr= ed CW=20 operators interested in having a QSO that has now almost fizzled=20 out.
500 khz has never really been a=20 starter.
The only current activity seems to be Bea= con mode=20 on 505 khz but that adds little to the band because there are already hund= reds=20 of beacons active to choose from if one is interested in world wide=20 propagation tests.
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C8E38A.80B95240-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD012-b98488074c1f9; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:47:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD092-b98488074c1f9; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:47:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJnTf-0002wR-Gc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:46:19 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJnTe-0002wI-RZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:46:18 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-2.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.232] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJnTb-0006jy-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:46:18 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AskFAIQRgEhOkJ5h/2dsb2JhbAATgis0gWmFQgqZSIs+ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.158.97]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 11:46:09 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:46:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8E8CB.DF826910" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8E8CB.DF826910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Latest copy. In depth discussion about how a resistor should be represented on a cct diag= ram. Boxes or squiggles !!!!!!!! Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the tradition= al squiggle for a resistor. It seem some so called designers/engineerts and=20= others have nothing better to do than dream up changes which are not necessa= ry. Also, how did we all manage in the heyday of HF radio with analogue systems,= not a DIGI in sight, the world still kept spinning. How about some good RF enigneering and less DC building blocks. It is more challenging to use an old basic rig, ie Collins, Drake etc and en= joy natural communications methods like CW and VOICE (AM or SSB). No complicated digital modes are necessary, just a steady sound CW fist, goo= d symetrical ears and for some elecution lessons !! de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8E8CB.DF826910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Latest copy.
In depth discussion about how a resistor sh= ould be=20 represented on a cct diagram.
Boxes or squiggles !!!!!!!!
Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycl= es,=20 condensers, and the traditional squiggle for a resistor. It seem some so cal= led=20 designers/engineerts and others have nothing better to do than dream up chan= ges=20 which are not necessary.
Also, how did we all manage in the heyday o= f HF=20 radio with analogue systems, not a DIGI in sight, the world still kept=20 spinning.
How about some good RF enigneering and less= DC=20 building blocks.
It is more challenging to use an old basic=20= rig, ie=20 Collins, Drake etc and enjoy natural communications methods like CW and VOIC= E=20 (AM or SSB).
No complicated digital modes are necessary,= just a=20 steady sound CW fist, good symetrical ears and for some elecution lessons=20 !!
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8E8CB.DF826910-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB053-acc4889d05add; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:08:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB062-acc4889d05add; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:08:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KMN1Y-0007Fv-A2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:07:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KMN1X-0007Fm-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:07:55 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KMN1T-0006OI-V1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:07:55 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 388421C0008B for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:07:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.82.187]) by mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 3C6881C00092 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:07:37 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080725130738247.3C6881C00092@mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <629A03B1A3FD4E69A12F1E1A65C91D3F@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> <4880B1E7.3040008@ntlworld.com> <000a01c8edb7$0174f7a0$713a2e40@p1i5f0> <004101c8edc4$b4bc9590$6401a8c0@asus> <78354821F47346A99538CF6923DD3D22@AGB> <006f01c8edf4$c4f73e80$6d3a2e40@p1i5f0> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:07:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: 600m Info Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Steve I think you will find 50 to 100 watts will give good comms over the first 60 or so miles and with 'arq' over a couple of hundred the deep fade pattern and high noise level , really prevent the simple broadcast operation of the newer multi tone systems, , Gary g4wgt and my self g0nbd have run various tests over the year , in normal rtty 85 hz shift gave very good results local and over distance. The 85 hz shift was the result of a selective fading test , where 200 Hz separation looked to increase the possibility of loosing one (the hf) tone before the lower one, 23 hz shift also gave good results but benefitted from a reduction in baud rate. psk31 was a magnitude better over any path, good results can be obtained at range with the mulit tone systems , eg Olivia , but in qsb the long out times result in quite high data loss due to re-lock time I would think, but have not been able to try it yet , as not found any other station with a pk232 , the original amtor system would provide quite a robust link over distance due to its very short tx/rx cycle time and data frame of only 3 letters , but at a loss of noise immunity compared to the psk systems. the mail handling arq psk systems fail due to the length of the transmitted data word and the reliance on a statistically 'high' level of confidence in the reception of the 'echo' pulse, which cannot be archived on 500, then end result usually a lock up ! Amplifier , As you are nearly fixed tuned, its quite possible to modify a set that works on 160 mtrs by discreet lumped inductance and capacity , with the original power level of some 25/30 watts , I used a simple parallel tuned atu , not out of palce on 160 mtrs , the 4 gang 1000 pf capacitor was a spare for a Marconi cr100 rx , the coil a ww2 bc640 2 mhz tank coil , i also found my weltz sp220 swr bridge worked fine on 500 khz as well .... no more than 25 watts or it heats up .. with the increase of power the atu flashes over , I had to construct a variometer , and oddly , I found the coaxial dynamics 8200G 2/30 mhz 250 watt bird insert gave reliable results on 500 , it reads a bit low 170 for 220 ish , but it doesn't produce a phantom reflected reading and once i had made a calibration chart , proved quite usable , notably none of the 'bird' slugs in the hf range , 50, 100, 500, 1000 w, worked without giving a false return reading , Good luck with the system G .. > I will begin construction shortly on something basic that will give me > around 100W for starters and then begin transverter construction in order > to > run some fsk modes. >Our experimental licences will be geared towards > fleshing out 600m for regional emergency networks reliability over various > paths and conditions. It is also looking as if we will be able to work > other > stations within the amateur service, either directly on 600m or via > crossband but nothing has yet been written in stone. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de11.mx.aol.com (rly-de11.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.147]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE031-510488985ce1f1; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:50:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de11.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE111-510488985ce1f1; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:50:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KMI3Z-0006AV-FR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:49:41 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KMI3Z-0006AM-1e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:49:41 +0100 Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com ([66.249.90.182]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KMI3W-0000Sd-Nl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:49:40 +0100 Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c29so2987442ika.4 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:49:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=jxlByM21S5J702Qj96ijvC/DoUaXpUuUxDClxfn+RT0=; b=TZAQhFQNn0FAJxl2aEwYxJMRiG1jvL1r9yqYnB3c02hyAtNdFhBNo0AJ2Wxq/ajK1k rZ8oVycD8sfHuR5qbhtHMVi35nlEjMPX4jnWXu4ADcFIY9Wf01wog14eGubRX3tCUZOR 0vcVNt6p28mmFEfv8VNfKnxSr/GpSN+iN2wm4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=pgXPA8hcwQpCtGv10ALiDnm32PSNEb/ZmAjTdLPEwNJ74k5aP9yTrOFMIqiKKkYPMt pQuEJa3BJbkp01jpAyqmVulME/aDkYyb34FFRldNP33UBo+ORihxNOpod6bCc/2I5U+U wLgvymcI1CYSj9RhmSeyh9Lb1GSCo4V/7Ldzk= Received: by 10.210.39.20 with SMTP id m20mr1554351ebm.126.1216972177960; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.110.2 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:49:37 +0100 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Loop conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Tnx for the replies on this. In the original post I'd forgotton that Chu-Harrington described a sphere just sufficient to enclose the antenna, so a pair od crossed loops would fit into the same size as a single one, as Jim pointed out. The phasing issue should have been obvious too - as one writer said, it is similar in outline to two crossed dipoles that just give 45 degree shifted linear polarisation if fed in phase. Oh well, saves the effort of making one to test-out. Back to writing software. Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD104-b6c4884a408382; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:58:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD036-b6c4884a408382; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:58:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKwpa-0005aH-AF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:57:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKwpZ-0005a8-Nf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:57:41 +0100 Received: from imo-m11.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.99] helo=imo-m11.mail.aol.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKwpV-0005Kw-PR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:57:41 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id l.be5.370ab348 (37033) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB023-90a94884a3d627; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:57:26 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-STG-D01 (webmail-stg-d01.sim.aol.com [205.188.162.22]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.10) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA011-5baa4884a3cd25f; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:57:17 -0400 References: <1KKtyY-2JdIrg0@fwd34.t-online.de> <48848B4B.3070401@w1tag.com> <007e01c8eb37$d0733940$0900a8c0@AM> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:57:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: <007e01c8eb37$d0733940$0900a8c0@AM> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g4gvw@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37668-STANDARD Received: from 92.8.27.112 by WEBMAIL-STG-D01.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.22) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:57:17 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAB95933CB2A8D-648-4E4@WEBMAIL-STG-D01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + I think, Alan, that to achieve the "Beckham" effect would require that you arrange for the resulting radiation pattern to achieve a "curve" in the general direction of the beam pattern and it will probably be necessary to approach either Penrose or Hawking for the math which will calculate the "bendability" factor on a universal scale! 73 de Pat g4gvw QTH Near FELIXSTOWE, UK Thought for today: What politicians do for science, hopefully science will do for them one day! -----Original Message----- From: Alan Melia To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:43 Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum Gosh are you guys getting civilised at last, to recognise a spherical football Ok course one would have make corrections for the "Beckham Effect" ! Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum > Andy, > > Better yet, take a soccer ball and start winding wire around it until > you have completed a 90 degree arc on both sides. What's the resulting > pattern? > > John Andrews, W1TAG > ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (rly-ma04.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.48]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA083-8a1487f42fa219; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:02:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA043-8a1487f42fa219; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:02:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJT7t-00011h-CL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:02:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJT7s-00011Y-OH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:02:28 +0100 Received: from smarthost03.mail.mbr-roch.zen.net.uk ([212.23.3.142] helo=smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJT7p-0005l4-25 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:02:28 +0100 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJT7l-0003f3-TF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:02:22 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:04:26 +0100 Message-ID: <004f01c8e80d$a752a7d0$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <487F37A4.9090906@ukonline.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjoBqvPdVJHjcBPRVC7o6SO//bbUAABJq4g Importance: Normal X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [82.68.18.174] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + Thanks to Mal and Peter for their comments on the limitation of their own approach to construction related articles. I understand their viewpoint as it is similar to my own progress in getting on the band. However, if there are any on the reflector who have done something of interest to others, and worthy of an article, then I would encourage them to write up. On the question of further increase in power I will certainly be trying to get it raised further, but the MCA and Ofcom are wanting to be careful, so the next opportunity will be when we seek at this September's meeting to extend the existing arrangements that are due to expire in February next year. 73 John, G3WKL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-ab74887a9ca36f; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:59:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB035-ab74887a9ca36f; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:59:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KLmMn-0001sk-IW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:59:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KLmMn-0001sb-4q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:59:25 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KLmMj-0006Yp-Kb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:59:25 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2081C1C00086 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:59:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.83.11]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 3218D1C00082 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:59:13 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080723215913205.3218D1C00082@mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <88E0E83560BC42438A5A420AF4F42A87@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <002201c8eb19$ef21f930$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <3652E16C8DF5458ABDD4D14CF2537C0A@AGB> <004a01c8eb5e$f72eed00$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <18E35B939E2A4A418472A930207A288D@AGB> <001701c8ed07$d9f49d20$0900a8c0@AM> <010701c8ed0d$cca5b9f0$e8bef159@traceydlqceh0p> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:59:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ..... I'm not sure , I dont think it will make enough drive on 500 .. but its a possibility ? its a un tuned oscillator with a EF50 , working into a rf choke , tnx - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tracey Gardner" Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:48 PM To: Subject: LF: Re: Re: Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , > >> Looking for 500 Khz xtal unit , any freq , inside 501 504 Khz , >> >> Pref round 502 KHz , fundamental, needs to be a 'big' one , for a >> valve >> oscillator ! >> >> I assume hc6u would be ok or bigger , these look to be the right type ! >> >> http://hipme.com/weblogs/wa5znu/20050302210827/xtals.jpg >> >> Tnx - G .. >> > > > Surplus Sales of Nebraska have some 251kHz xtals if that would be of any > use? > > http://www.surplussales.com/Crystals/Crystals-1.html > > 73s Tracey G5VU > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: > 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 13:31 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA011-a8a48847afd2da; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:03:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA092-a8a48847afd2da; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:03:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKu6Y-0004d3-Ot for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:03:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKu6Y-0004cu-B0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:03:02 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKu6V-0003Qa-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:03:02 +0100 X-Trace: 46838541/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.119.154 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.119.154 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAJcXhEhYanea/2dsb2JhbACDXYgKoV8D X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,223,1215385200"; d="scan'208";a="46838541" Received: from 88-106-119-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.119.154]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2008 13:02:51 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:02:51 +0100 Message-ID: <002901c8eb29$b39ce6d0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcjrJXIPRmFcSy7ZTSqVK4AqeguEAgAA4ajA X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080720-0, 20/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + Andy, LF, You wrote :- "Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre line but at right angles to each other so there should be no coupling between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original value." I have been pondering about something similar as I have problems remotely rotating yet another antenna. My idea is to make the loops in the same way as you describe but feed the 2 loops to the two inputs of a balanced pre-amp like the G3LNP loop pre-amp shown in the "LF Experimenters Handbook" What are your thoughts on that please. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 21 July 2008 12:30 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Loop Conundrum Was pondering this while out walking the other day, and couldn't come to a satisfactory conclusion either way... A small magnetic loop mounted vertically has a defined radiation resistance that is a function of its diameter, a loss that is function of its conductor and hence a loss or efficiency that is the ratio of the two. It is resonated with a good quality vacuum capacitor, and fed/matched by any suitable metrhod. Lets also leave aside all the myth and folklore about small loops, and also ignore the environment for now. It also as a radiation pattern with nulls. Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. BUT... What is the resulting change in efficiency? Argument 1: Two identical loops = two times the loss R, but also two times the radiation resistance (since they don't couple) so net efficiency remains the same. Argument 2 : Chu-Harrington relates efficiency / Q / bandwidth / volume enclosed. Therefore, as the enclosed volume has increased, the effciency ought to rise. Both arguments developed little side trendrils & thoughts as I walked and pondered, and both appear valid in their own way. So the floor is open for discussion :- And where does the net radiation pattern fit into the equation? Does it, at all ? -- Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt ps. Fascinating paper on EMP btw. - I was up way past midnight last night reading it. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD063-901488481d6363; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:32:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD051-901488481d6363; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:32:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKuYQ-00051F-L9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:31:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKuYQ-000516-4u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:31:50 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKuYM-0002IK-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:31:50 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC157B8E8C for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:31:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B68CF3863 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:31:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319B4F3862 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:31:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id AA2E0514E; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:41:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 150.84-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (150.84-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.200.84.150]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:41:14 +0200 Message-ID: <20080721144114.u8c5gh5peug0owgs@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:41:14 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.200.84.150 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Quoting Andy Talbot : > Was pondering this while out walking the other day, and couldn't come > to a satisfactory conclusion either way... > > A small magnetic loop mounted vertically has a defined radiation > resistance that is a function of its diameter, a loss that is function > of its conductor and hence a loss or efficiency that is the ratio of > the two. It is resonated with a good quality vacuum capacitor, and > fed/matched by any suitable metrhod. Lets also leave aside all the > myth and folklore about small loops, and also ignore the environment > for now. It also as a radiation pattern with nulls. > > Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre > line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling > between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and > resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original > value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled > in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. > > BUT... > What is the resulting change in efficiency? > > Argument 1: > Two identical loops =3D two times the loss R, but also two times the > radiation resistance (since they don't couple) so net efficiency > remains the same. > > Argument 2 : > Chu-Harrington relates efficiency / Q / bandwidth / volume enclosed. > Therefore, as the enclosed volume has increased, the effciency ought > to rise. > > Both arguments developed little side trendrils & thoughts as I walked > and pondered, and both appear valid in their own way. So > the floor is open for discussion :- > > And where does the net radiation pattern fit into the equation? Does > it, at all ? > -- > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > Another 2 cent (or 2 penny): I just simulated the antenna as described by Andy with Mmana_gal: - The radiation pattern is (almost) omnidirectional. - The radiation resistance doubles compared to a single loop. But as =20 you use the double amount of wire (=3D double losses) efficiency will be =20 about the same I guess. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T and compred it to a single loop Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD053-b76488109b03cd; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:23:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD048-b76488109b03cd; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:22:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJxPb-0006UA-4T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:22:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJxPa-0006U1-Ma for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:22:46 +0100 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.158] helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJxPX-0007xH-Mt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:22:46 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6B5491C000E4 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:22:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.91.118]) by mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 07E711C000E1 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:22:33 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080718212234324.07E711C000E1@mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <8A169208B0284AE7BF5AF7CC3797756A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:22:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.560 Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n > If a radio amateur gets c.o.n.f.u.s.e.d over resistors perhaps he is > better suited to the internet and a mobile phone. > de G3KEV At Last ,,,, now we know why we have so many posts over the internet ! -------------------------------------------------- From: "mal hamilton" Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:22 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM > How about all the different weights and measures used throughout the world > plus the different currencies. The majority of countries do not use the > metric system, not even in some parts of EU. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:37 PM > Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM > > >>> Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the >>> traditional squiggle for a resistor. >> >> Using different names, symbols or abbreviations can lead to confusion >> and thus errors. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD >> >> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm >> >> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: > 270.5.1/1560 - Release Date: 7/18/2008 06:47 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD072-b9048777f6f64; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:43:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD082-b9048777f6f64; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:42:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KHKkj-0002Tm-Jw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:41:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KHKkj-0002Td-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:41:45 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-2.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.232] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KHKkg-0004v7-7Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:41:45 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Apo4ACgcd0hOlUr2PGdsb2JhbAATgi0zgWeDYgyBSgqIAgEBAQEtkVGLEA Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.74.246]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 16:41:33 +0100 Message-ID: <004c01c8e36c$99bef1a0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:41:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C8E374.FB370E60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C8E374.FB370E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It looks like LF/MF has died in the UK and the rest of EU. There has never been more than 5 dedicatred CW operators interested in havin= g a QSO that has now almost fizzled out. 500 khz has never really been a starter. The only current activity seems to be Beacon mode on 505 khz but that adds l= ittle to the band because there are already hundreds of beacons active to ch= oose from if one is interested in world wide propagation tests.=20 de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C8E374.FB370E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It looks like LF/MF has died in the&nb= sp;UK=20 and the rest of EU.
There has never been more than 5 dedicatred= CW=20 operators interested in having a QSO that has now almost fizzled=20 out.
500 khz has never really been a=20 starter.
The only current activity seems to be Beaco= n mode=20 on 505 khz but that adds little to the band because there are already hundre= ds=20 of beacons active to choose from if one is interested in world wide propagat= ion=20 tests.
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C8E374.FB370E60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME091-9d2487e5c581ea; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:39:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME086-9d2487e5c581ea; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:38:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJDlg-0007Kb-LE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:38:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJDlf-0007KS-Vv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:38:32 +0100 Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.204]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJDld-0006Ks-E4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:38:31 +0100 Received: from GandalfG8@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id l.c0e.370c4fbd (42808) for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:38:18 -0400 (EDT) From: GandalfG8@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:38:17 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.710,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1216240697" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + -------------------------------1216240697 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 16/07/2008 21:07:05 GMT Daylight Time, jwgould@iee.org writes: I've not got an axe to grind re RadCom, but is the lack of major construction projects in RadCom more to do with there being less people doing the larger scale design/construction projects as well as being motivated to write it up for RadCom? ---------------------- The use of internet groups to encourage cooperative design, both hardware and software, has led to a real time project structure that doesn't necessarily lend itself to the monthly magazine publishing schedule. This of course does not only affect RadCom but, unfortunately, RadCom as a serious technical publication started to lose credibility when a recent past editor attempted to turn it into something more akin to Women's Weekly, with his requesting accounts of radio amateur romances on one occasion, whilst dwelling more on his own interviews with radio "personalities" than matters radio, which it would seem he didn't really understand. Whilst I don't suppose many tears were shed at his departure it doesn't seem to me the RSGB has done the reputation of RadCom any more favours by employing Elaine Richards in a similar position. Especially when one considers that not very long ago she was suggesting through the pages of her radio comic that reports on any form of radio activity, legal or otherwise, would be welcomed. If RadCom is taken to be the "shop window" for the RSGB in general, then perhaps it's time to ask what it is they think they're offering us for our money. For RadCom to be seriously considered as a technical publication again it will be necessary to leave editorial control with those who have real technical ability and not just scrape the barrel for anyone with prior magazine experience. regards Nigel GM8PZR -------------------------------1216240697 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 16/07/2008 21:07:05 GMT Daylight Time, jwgould@iee.o= rg=20 writes:
I'= ve not got an axe to grind re RadCom,=20 but is the lack of major construction projects in RadCom mo= re=20 to do with there being less people doing the larger=20 scale design/construction projects as well as being motivated to= =20 write it up for RadCom? 
----------------------
 
The use of internet groups to encourage cooperative design, both hardwa= re=20 and software, has led to a real time project structure that=20 doesn't necessarily lend itself to the monthly magazine publishing=20 schedule.
 
This of course does not only affect RadCom but, unfortunately, Rad= Com=20 as a serious technical publication started to lose credibility when a recent= =20 past editor attempted to turn it into something more akin to Women's=20 Weekly, with his requesting accounts of radio amateur romances on one=20 occasion, whilst dwelling more on his own interviews with radio=20 "personalities" than matters radio, which it would seem he didn't really=20 understand.
 
Whilst I don't suppose many tears were shed at his departure it doesn't= =20 seem to me the RSGB has done the reputation of RadCom any more favours by=20 employing Elaine Richards in a similar position.
Especially when one considers that not very long ago she was=20 suggesting through the pages of her radio comic that reports on any form of=20 radio activity, legal or otherwise, would be welcomed.
 
If RadCom is taken to be the "shop window" for the RSGB in=20 general, then perhaps it's time to ask what it is they think=20 they're offering us for our money.
 
For RadCom to be seriously considered as a technical publicat= ion=20 again it will be necessary to leave editorial control with those who=20 have real technical ability and not just scrape the barrel=20 for anyone with prior magazine experience.
 
regards
 
Nigel
GM8PZR
 -------------------------------1216240697-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (rly-ma09.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.53]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA043-8cc486a790e79; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:36:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA096-8cc486a790e79; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:36:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KDkhb-0000Aw-NP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:35:43 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KDkhb-0000An-Af for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:35:43 +0100 Received: from smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.46]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KDkhY-000632-CX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:35:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 40443 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2008 18:35:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sArgDM3GfJYoTmgs87ffbuR9eh/RINCJKMUkzUXvWSMJJ6W9tHCyfB2winDV8Nm1pEg7g3vlIGgbvGaX+CkC/vGp1eyvLd4dxsG/qqFFZiCaZ06OybmH8ty0MWiNtMuonXeX1NtiUx8YzFreOYRNaUMs1Ubk/q/0Gz0uv9ZKAFw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.105?) (we0h@75.168.144.207 with plain) by smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2008 18:35:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <486A78F4.7030500@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:35:32 -0500 From: Mike WE0H User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000501c8dba6$62a03620$0301a8c0@g3kev> In-Reply-To: <000501c8dba6$62a03620$0301a8c0@g3kev> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879 Subject: Re: LF: 6 - 600m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) 600 meters has been busy over this side of the pond. Low noise the past few days/nights. Good propagation. Mike WE0H WD2XSH/16 mal wrote: > Hi all > 600 m nil > 6m wide open all around EU and Russia. Lots of sporadic E > Some SSB and lots of CW > De Mal/G3KEV > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDA031-a71488995b815b; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:58:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA061-a71488995b815b; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:58:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KMJ7e-0006Ql-8j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:57:58 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KMJ7d-0006Qc-UA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:57:57 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.64]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KMJ7a-0003uK-OB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C8EE65.5B26B4B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (rly-ma09.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.53]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA023-8cb4880a386334; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:07:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA095-8cb4880a386334; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:07:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJqbG-0003sO-GS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:06:22 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJqbF-0003sF-Ta for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:06:21 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.148]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJqbD-0008U7-9E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:06:21 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so129831qwf.16 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:06:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=4+eYiZ3G3XJLTHhGVM/xGqgDtPUzFQt2zUHr2kYWmdc=; b=pa5iNjulZRgrcb+0mTIzqvUAqXPM6NdZllchF63YdvCLooKzazLHO6ibrG+XkeFBB6 xfO9oA98e1P4r62tiXr6XL1XvipiN2sB8BCyKGlw/kkg8lxohB30bKeQx/gfb9BIs5l4 SMBlbgXeKHigNDgGGjnA4X8OmGIY3UiSx56D0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=L4tIWahGtqcdtl95CXuOqVfpHhMq6s0RteduAVdHeWGAfHLrIVlTbmMQEqauDKU4Dq Q1ZskSTArHUerJXCH5xD0jqNrCxH5+kmIQaxJuNm86tEAetHsZaLqJFyPgjYU93ZuRdZ lr0ipQE3NnhWX63iL233HShgiyANQU7dENp2Q= Received: by 10.151.114.6 with SMTP id r6mr254966ybm.181.1216389975821; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.50.21 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:06:15 +0100 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) EXcuse me- The only country that doesn't oficially use the Metric system is the USA, along with two tiny ones whose names don't come to mind. And look what not using it cost the Nasa space programme! I like the term "badvertising" seen in this months mag. Postings like these come firmly into that category when seen by outsiders. Andy G4JNT 2008/7/18 mal hamilton : > How about all the different weights and measures used throughout the world > plus the different currencies. The majority of countries do not use the > metric system, not even in some parts of EU. > If a radio amateur gets confused over resistors perhaps he is better suited > to the internet and a mobile phone. > de G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" > > To: > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:37 PM > Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM > > >>> Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the >>> traditional squiggle for a resistor. >> >> Using different names, symbols or abbreviations can lead to confusion and >> thus errors. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD >> >> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm >> >> > > > -- Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA022-a71487a7d56a0; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:10:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA061-a71487a7d56a0; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:10:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KI9lN-0007ks-01 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:09:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KI9lM-0007kj-Gu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:09:48 +0100 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KI9lI-0003F7-V5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:09:48 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.188) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.3.129) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4873C983000ECDAE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:09:37 +0200 Message-ID: <487A7D23.5010402@telia.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:09:39 +0200 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c8e513$e3173f30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <001101c8e513$e3173f30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal, try http://www.amsat.org 73 Johan SM6LKM mal hamilton wrote: > I have not seen any mention of satellite acty in Radcom for a long time, > has this also fizzled out. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (rly-ma01.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.44]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA101-88a487cefca3c8; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:43:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA014-88a487cefca3c8; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:43:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KIpUa-0005jZ-As for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:43:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KIpUZ-0005jQ-Tq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:43:15 +0100 Received: from smtp113.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.84.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KIpUZ-0005qm-If for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:43:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 46842 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2008 18:43:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=FYPmK6YXfKGCX4Lp2XS7kvGPv9iafateUkYU80aimp4N5jBxPKQFjH7NGoTaVes3fbfFhSvRFrtJzphj2/gW92Ntwim7iUvFLvMiypWcK5FBjboIUH+ndM3fl1kR8y5qowdCHapohcf5Ls6HM3bz9su81TFZByfpttqJz6Lw3hM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@btinternet.com@86.134.102.178 with login) by smtp113.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2008 18:43:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xYp5zJgVM1mPWG_hl_ZQzpHUrqPmiRLxYtMbHmcn4j3RQkgoBSUBdZNM5JiPX0jMpg1SOq6SldzC6ShsrvvG2ue.FxyAR_7DXkc9T9ArSHKsXbz07cyntWBA..15c61IAd7y0zbqGXc47BUOy3ha7QhN X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <004401c8e6aa$9cf01e30$0401a8c0@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <924728.60496.qm@web27606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:43:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: 500 kHz - 500th QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C8E6B2.FD8F4010" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C8E6B2.FD8F4010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chris. Congratulations on your 500th 500kHz QSO, thank you for all the help and adv= ice you have given me. 73. Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Osborn=20 To: LF Group=20 Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO LF / MF There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz today permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band. Stations worked:- 496 G3DXZ =20 497 G3UNT =20 498 G3ZWH =20 499 M0FMT =20 500 G3XPU =20 73 Chris G3XIZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Not happy with your email address?=20 Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available no= w at Yahoo! ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C8E6B2.FD8F4010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Chris.
Congratulations on your 500th 500kHz QSO, t= hank you=20 for all the help and advice you have given me.
 
73.
 
Ken  M0KHW
 
----- Original Message -----
Chris Osbor= n=20
To: LF Group
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:25 PM=
Subject: LF: 500 kHz - 500th QSO

LF / MF

There was a reasonable amount of activity on 500 kHz=20 today
permitting me to complete my 500th QSO on that band.

Stati= ons=20 worked:-

496  G3DXZ 
497  G3UNT 
498&nb= sp;=20 G3ZWH 
499  M0FMT 
500  G3XPU =20

73
Chris G3XIZ

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------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C8E6B2.FD8F4010-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df01.mx.aol.com (rly-df01.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.14]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF031-5254884b3712bd; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:04:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF012-5254884b3712bd; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:04:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKxrI-0005yQ-Gl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:03:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKxrH-0005yH-V7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:03:32 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKxrD-0003zL-QO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:03:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 5864 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 16:03:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=1sfplrsQAl65F8Lhmzqqsq2lZwKIYDzJy5agYg24O/hnxH39SBWDKtY59VMMhPA0lzyBYhc4ZFPg/qBLVNiI+Lrszqu4aQFL9797lDM39mluZWFs+FXbvE5qXB5gKvJ8JU4iz9lluMXkiG8C9r08X9qeb4MZnzPpizoRaPiulzY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@btinternet.com@86.128.241.4 with login) by smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 16:03:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zYE6oFsVM1lPgxtDcdHv5Eq5yoQyPn2T4fsN9Wy7im7yWnkp25AwTbvrxitZ52eP8Ykt7SJy_3FrZ_Sje.H.lDTjsYemSKXA4XOhsT1_5FneDTxy_G2jknZyFvstj917b3Na6MHVifqFerNX0g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:03:21 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c8eb4b$4d086710$a402a8c0@Inspiron> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcjrJS9NoUHyOKH/QUWbt32glR00ngAHU4cg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi Andy, Interesting conundrum that had me scratching my head. These are the conclusions I've come to. Firstly the efficiency has nothing to do with the radiation pattern as you suggest. Since you are now filling in the nulls with radiation; this will steal radiation from the lobes of the single loop system. IE The net radiated power is the same, but the peak field strength has reduced (by say 3dB). Secondly for a small loop you must phase each loop at 90 degrees to obtain the desired omni-directional pattern, as suggested by DJ1ZB. Thirdly the efficiency should be the same as a single loop if you feed them in series or in parallel with 90 degree phase shift. So far it appears that Argument 1 is holding up. Not being conversant with the works of Argument 2 all I can suggest here is that the efficiency does not increase since only one loop is giving it's full radiation every 90 degrees with the other loop contributing nothing. Since the phasing will split power evenly between the 2 loops. Net result same efficiency, hence the Argument 2 model is actually a single loop. Finally since the world is never perfect some loss will occur in the 90 degree phasing so the answer as I see it is the same efficiency as a single loop less the efficiency of the phasing required to feed both loops to give you an omni-direction pattern. 73, Lee M0LMH. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 21 July 2008 12:30 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Loop Conundrum Was pondering this while out walking the other day, and couldn't come to a satisfactory conclusion either way... A small magnetic loop mounted vertically has a defined radiation resistance that is a function of its diameter, a loss that is function of its conductor and hence a loss or efficiency that is the ratio of the two. It is resonated with a good quality vacuum capacitor, and fed/matched by any suitable metrhod. Lets also leave aside all the myth and folklore about small loops, and also ignore the environment for now. It also as a radiation pattern with nulls. Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. BUT... What is the resulting change in efficiency? Argument 1: Two identical loops = two times the loss R, but also two times the radiation resistance (since they don't couple) so net efficiency remains the same. Argument 2 : Chu-Harrington relates efficiency / Q / bandwidth / volume enclosed. Therefore, as the enclosed volume has increased, the effciency ought to rise. Both arguments developed little side trendrils & thoughts as I walked and pondered, and both appear valid in their own way. So the floor is open for discussion :- And where does the net radiation pattern fit into the equation? Does it, at all ? -- Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt ps. Fascinating paper on EMP btw. - I was up way past midnight last night reading it. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12:59 PM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD104-91a48848f28328; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:29:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD082-91a48848f28328; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:29:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKvRj-0005HE-W5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:28:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKvRj-0005H5-KZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:28:59 +0100 Received: from mserv4.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.76.223]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKvRg-0004Kp-6G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:28:59 +0100 Received: from dexbr1.ds.leeds.ac.uk (dexbr1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.19]) by mserv4.leeds.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m6LDSmjB004701 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:28:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from HERMES4.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.5.129]) by dexbr1.ds.leeds.ac.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:28:44 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:28:45 +0100 Message-ID: <731EB49F88B309428FFDDD2423F810E42BBC28@HERMES4.ds.leeds.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <48848B4B.3070401@w1tag.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: Loop Conundrum Thread-Index: AcjrNA5ormgz7c/qSpeFne3g6BA1dwAAaVOg From: "Chris Trayner" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2008 13:28:44.0985 (UTC) FILETIME=[B30D5A90:01C8EB35] X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: LF: Loop Conundrum X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) > Better yet, take a soccer ball and start winding wire around it until=20 you have completed a 90 degree arc on both sides. What's the resulting=20 pattern? I'd guess the sum of all the individual loops, which should be in their average direction, i.e. with the flux coming out of the middles of the remaining quarters not covered with wire.=20 So I'd guess that you'd have the same radiation pattern as a similar coil wound all in one plane. 73, Chris G4OKW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA092-a72488206f118d; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:23:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA062-a72488206f118d; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:23:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKEGI-0007wV-Dy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:22:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKEGH-0007wM-BJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:22:17 +0100 Received: from imo-m12.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.100] helo=imo-m12.mail.aol.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKEGE-0002Aq-2U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:22:17 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id l.c23.4042923d (37035) for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB025-90ab4882069b35e; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:22:03 -0400 Received: from webmail-stg-d05 (webmail-stg-d05.sim.aol.com [205.188.162.26]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.10) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA032-5c544882069134a; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:21:53 -0400 References: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:21:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g4gvw@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37668-STANDARD Received: from 92.8.27.112 by webmail-stg-d05.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.26) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:21:54 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAB7CA4F4C7152-970-2632@webmail-stg-d05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.110,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + I suspect, Nigel, that "modern" RADCOM reflects "modern" amateur radio=20 in many respects. Whilst acknowledging that the magazine/journal would=20 probably not exist without its advertising, that very advertising is a=20 reflection of what amateur radio is to many of its present day=20 adherents - "appliance operating"! In such an atmosphere and coupled with a younger generation who do not=20 even get a basic grounding in simple workshop techniques and practice=20 is it surprising that the glorious days of articles of quality in home=20 construction no longer appear to suit us "longer-in-the-tooth" types? Modern housing probably also contributes as it provides little room for=20 a space in which to indulge a little messy chassis-bashing and the=20 smoke detectors widely-fitted tend not to be too sympathetic to solder=20 fumes emanating from the cupboard under the stairs. I know a number of local amateurs who have never constructed anything=20 and are probably never likely to do so, preferring to invest their time=20 operating expensive boxes and comparing notes about whose is biggest=20 etc. One in particular was so desperate to work the Antipodes that he just=20 kept on spending until he managed it. It might be that the "amateur radio industry" finds it a profitable=20 strategy to discourage home construction but then again I might be=20 accused by some of cynicism. 73 de Pat g4gvw QTH Near FELIXSTOWE, UK Thought for today: In the race of life p ut a few quid on the nag called "Self-Interest" -=20 He'll always be in there trying hard ! -----Original Message----- From: GandalfG8@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:38 Subject: Re: LF: satellites In a message dated 16/07/2008 21:07:05 GMT Daylight Time,=20 jwgould@iee.org writes: I've not got an axe to grind re RadCom, but=C2=A0is=C2=A0the lack of major construction projects in RadCom=C2=A0mo= re to do with there being less people doing=C2=A0the larger scale=C2=A0design/construction projects as well as=C2=A0being motivated to write it up for RadCom?=C2=A0 ---------------------- =C2=A0 The use of internet groups to encourage cooperative design, both=20 hardware and software, has led to a real time project structure that doesn't=C2=A0necessarily lend itself to the monthly magazine publishing schedule. =C2=A0 This of course does not=C2=A0only affect RadCom but, unfortunately, RadCom as a serious technical publication started to lose credibility when a=20 recent past editor attempted to turn it into something more akin to=C2=A0Women's Weekly, with his=C2=A0requesting accounts of radio amateur romances on one occasion,=C2=A0whilst dwelling more on his own interviews with radio "personalities" than matters radio, which it would seem he didn't=20 really understand. =C2=A0 Whilst I20don't suppose many tears were shed at his departure it doesn't seem to me the RSGB has done the reputation of RadCom any more favours=20 by employing Elaine Richards in a similar position. Especially when=C2=A0one considers that not very long ago she was suggesting through the pages of her radio comic that reports on any=20 form of radio activity, legal or otherwise,=C2=A0would be welcomed. =C2=A0 If RadCom is=C2=A0taken to be the "shop window"=C2=A0for the RSGB in general, then=C2=A0perhaps it's time to ask what it is they think they're=C2=A0offering us for our money. =C2=A0 For=C2=A0RadCom to be seriously considered as a technical=C2=A0publication again=C2=A0it will be necessary to leave editorial control with those who have=C2=A0real technical ability and=C2=A0not just scrape the barrel for=C2=A0anyone with prior magazine experience. =C2=A0 regards =C2=A0 Nigel GM8PZR ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the=20 move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG064-a2d48809c75293; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:37:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG087-a2d48809c75293; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:36:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJq8T-0003jQ-GD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:36:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJq8T-0003jH-3E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:36:37 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-4.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.234] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJq8Q-0002KZ-C0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:36:37 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAKg4gEhOkJ5h/2dsb2JhbACEW6pd Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.158.97]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 14:36:21 +0100 Message-ID: <002701c8e8db$44cac380$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:36:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AMATEUR_PORN=1.473 Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Douglas Bader RAF pilot was flying spitfires during the last war without LEGS, also a wireless operator on a Lincoln bomber used his foot to send morse, after his hands were injured with burning oil. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Towers" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:09 PM Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM > The argument was instigated by a G3 as well!!!A CW enthusiast no doubt, > and one of Mals "old school real amateurs"?. > > Sorry Mal but digital modes are useful to those of us with impairments > that prevent us from having, obtaining or achieving a "CW fist. > > So stop this "real radio amateur" and "CW only" crap and allow us to enjoy > the hobby in a way that we enjoy, to the best of our imperfect abilities. > 73 > dave > G8SZX Glenfield Leicester IO92jp > webpage > www.g8szx.mediumwaveradio.org > > > mal hamilton wrote: >> >> Latest copy. >> In depth discussion about how a resistor should be represented on a cct >> diagram. >> Boxes or squiggles !!!!!!!! >> Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the >> traditional squiggle for a resistor. It seem some so called >> designers/engineerts and others have nothing better to do than dream up >> changes which are not necessary. >> Also, how did we all manage in the heyday of HF radio with analogue >> systems, not a DIGI in sight, the world still kept spinning. >> How about some good RF enigneering and less DC building blocks. >> It is more challenging to use an old basic rig, ie Collins, Drake etc and >> enjoy natural communications methods like CW and VOICE (AM or SSB). >> No complicated digital modes are necessary, just a steady sound CW fist, >> good symetrical ears and for some elecution lessons !! >> de G3KEV >> This message has been processed by Firetrust Benign >> . > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME103-9a44877a58a37e; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:25:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME028-9a44877a58a37e; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:25:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KHNIj-0002pC-BL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:25:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KHNIi-0002p3-Vw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:25:00 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KHNIf-0004b9-KM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:25:00 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtVfAOlBd0hOlM8gPGdsb2JhbAATgi8xgWeDbiOBJwqIAgEBAQEtV5FDiws Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.207.32]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 19:24:50 +0100 Message-ID: <006901c8e383$696fba90$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:24:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01C8E38B.CAB83BD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C8E38B.CAB83BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As far as I am aware the only sts active in CW QSO mode at present are G3ZWH= , G3XIZ and G3KEV. The odd time G3DXZ and G3UNT appear.=20 de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C8E38B.CAB83BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As far as I am aware the only sts active in= =20 CW QSO mode at present are G3ZWH, G3XIZ and G3KEV. The odd time G3DXZ a= nd=20 G3UNT appear.
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C8E38B.CAB83BD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de12.mx.aol.com (rly-de12.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.148]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE024-521488324401ed; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:41:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de12.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE128-521488324401ed; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:40:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKXGd-0001lQ-I8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:39:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKXGd-0001lH-30 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:39:55 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKXGa-0002aa-OX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:39:55 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApUFALTAgkhUDWSH/2dsb2JhbAATgi0ygWqFQwqZKolq Received: from host-84-13-100-135.opaltelecom.net.100.13.84.in-addr.arpa (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([84.13.100.135]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 12:39:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c8ea5d$4f638740$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:39:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 600 es 6 m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8EA65.B0E05EF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8EA65.B0E05EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some acty this morning on 600m cw, worked G3DXZ and G3XIZ, both good signals= . I can also hear daily the beacons thrashing away on 505 khz. 6m is also open, and its hard to believe some countries are still using TV o= n 50 Mhz. Some strong tv signals at present. G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8EA65.B0E05EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some acty this morning on 600m cw, worked G= 3DXZ and=20 G3XIZ, both good signals. I can also hear daily the beacons thrashing away o= n=20 505 khz.
6m is also open, and its hard to believe so= me=20 countries are still using TV on 50 Mhz. Some strong tv  signals at= =20 present.
G3KEV
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8EA65.B0E05EF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (rly-mf03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.173]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMF104-94f486f47c631c; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:07:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF035-94f486f47c631c; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:07:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KF4f0-00006h-87 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:06:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KF4ez-00006Y-KU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:06:29 +0100 Received: from simone.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.77]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KF4ew-0004X1-8V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:06:29 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by simone.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m65A6G9j000487 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 07:36:19 -0230 Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 07:36:16 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <008f01c8de69$65395e50$7c7ba8c0@ACER> Message-ID: References: <008f01c8de69$65395e50$7c7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.608,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): captvo1na0507.jpg Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Henny, Victor and group, Considering we are now in summer, the copies of the signals are very impressive! It's amazing that such weak signals can be received in the QRM and QRN. The TX will continue on 187.37475 kHz. 73 Joe On Sat, 5 Jul 2008, henny van elst wrote: > hi joe, > > the same capture with speclab, > best 73s > henny cpm > > > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: > captvo1na0507.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh02.mx.aol.com (rly-mh02.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.138]) by air-mh05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH053-bbb48812909bb; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:36:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH023-bbb48812909bb; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:36:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJzUp-0006u1-2I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:36:19 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJzUo-0006ts-FY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:36:18 +0100 Received: from web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.124]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJzUo-0004Iw-A2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:36:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 85115 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2008 23:36:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ycwZoTVUVUtshGsDAjSevOX38FyhDwmn8tpITYMcO8fjeQiK2KwAJoWcTHCwOZsIK5Fal0RZZcO8VT/icsozuha063BbHWMz975hoExNW5mm2b0n1iEaqezXWvoThaCwo1OHytKRxlgGIJKV0ANHY26UCbVItDQ1wWxC+Smo6aw=; Received: from [86.137.240.56] by web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:36:06 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:36:06 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <2ED95B571DC240FF89CB8D16A69AF751@DennisPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <246799.84347.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: GL WID UR 500Kc/s NoV application.... RADCOM - CONSTRUCTIONAL ITEMS AND ALL THAT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-533358491-1216424166=:84347" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n --0-533358491-1216424166=:84347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dennis Good luck=C2=A0with your 500Kc/s NoV application. I look forward to working=20= you on the band shortly. It is rather sparsely populated at the moment altho= ugh Chris XIZ manages to conjure up loads of contacts.=20 I wonder how many 500kc/s NoVs have been issued this year ? 73 Petefmt --- On Fri, 18/7/08, DENNIS EASTERLING wr= ote: From: DENNIS EASTERLING Subject: LF: RADCOM - CONSTRUCTIONAL ITEMS AND ALL THAT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 18 July, 2008, 5:11 PM As a very new member of the group, still awaiting my NOV to transmit on 500=20= kHz and struggling with my morse, I hesitate to take issue with the big boys= , but here goes.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sneers against the new 'Radcom' editor and the comic, which I take to mean '= Practical Wireless' and its associated publications are unworthy.=C2=A0=C2= =A0 When I joined the RSGB three years ago, I was initially disappointed wit= h 'Radcom' which seem to have limited content and lacked style.=C2=A0=C2=A0=20= Under the new editor, the style has improved enormously and the contents are= generally well balanced.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Of course, many of us we would like to= see more constructional items and news of=C2=A0exciting research, but as G3= WKL pointed out, this depends on those actively involved producing the neces= sary articles.=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 G3LDO hesitated to write up his experiences as old hat, but as a newcomer, I= would have welcomed his article, as I appear to be struggling along similar= lines.=C2=A0 While we wait for a clever amateur to come up with a super 600= m band antenna three feet long,=C2=A0nailed to the end of the shack and capa= ble of world wide DX, those of us with 10m square gardens or less must conti= ue with solutions similar to Peter's. =C2=A0 As far as PW is concerned, it has kept going over the years and won many fri= ends, including myself.=C2=A0=C2=A0 From the earliest days to the present ti= me it has been=C2=A0one of the few=C2=A0windows on the world of amateur radi= o, raising interest in old and young, something we still surely need. =C2=A0 Phew! I fell better to have got that off my chest. =C2=A0 73s Dennis M0JXM __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now=20= at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html --0-533358491-1216424166=:84347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dennis

Good luck with your 500Kc/s NoV application. I look forward to wo= rking you on the band shortly. It is rather sparsely populated at the moment= although Chris XIZ manages to conjure up loads of contacts.

I wonder how many 500kc/s NoVs have been issued this year ?

73 Petefmt



--- On Fri, 18/7/08, DENNIS EASTERLING= <dennis.easterling@btinternet.com> wrote:
From: DENNIS EASTERLING <dennis.easterling@btinterne= t.com>
Subject: LF: RADCOM - CONSTRUCTIONAL ITEMS AND ALL THAT
To:=20= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Friday, 18 July, 2008, 5:11 PM

As a very new member of the group, still aw= aiting my NOV to transmit on 500 kHz and struggling with my morse, I hesitat= e to take issue with the big boys, but here goes.   
 
Sneers against the new 'Radcom' editor and=20= the comic, which I take to mean 'Practical Wireless' and its associated publ= ications are unworthy.   When I joined the RSGB three years ago, I= was initially disappointed with 'Radcom' which seem to have limited content= and lacked style.   Under the new editor, the style has improved=20= enormously and the contents are generally well balanced.   Of cour= se, many of us we would like to see more constructional items and news of&nb= sp;exciting research, but as G3WKL pointed out, this depends on those active= ly involved producing the necessary articles. 
&= nbsp;
G3LDO hesitated to write up his experiences= as old hat, but as a newcomer, I would have welcomed his article, as I appe= ar to be struggling along similar lines.  While we wait for a clever am= ateur to come up with a super 600m band antenna three feet long, nailed= to the end of the shack and capable of world wide DX, those of us with 10m=20= square gardens or less must contiue with solutions similar to Peter's.
 
As far as PW is concerned, it has kept goin= g over the years and won many friends, including myself.   From th= e earliest days to the present time it has been one of the few win= dows on the world of amateur radio, raising interest in old and young, somet= hing we still surely need.
 
Phew! I fell better to have got that off my= chest.
 
73s Dennis M0JXM

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Get the one you=20 really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! --0-533358491-1216424166=:84347-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME071-9c548820ee599; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:57:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME071-9c548820ee599; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:57:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKEo0-00083h-VE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKEo0-00083Y-Gm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:08 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-2.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.232] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKEnw-00070U-VD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:08 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEAKurgUhOlrtA/2dsb2JhbAATgi0ygWqFQgqYe4pQ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.187.64]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 19 Jul 2008 16:56:53 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01c8e9b8$11971f30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:56:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8E9C0.731B22D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8E9C0.731B22D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I suppose RADCOM suits the Appliance Operator but not the discerning Radio A= mateur. This is the conclusion to which I am drawn after reading recent post= ings on the reflector. de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8E9C0.731B22D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I suppose RADCOM suits the Appliance Operat= or but=20 not the discerning Radio Amateur. This is the conclusion to which I am drawn= =20 after reading recent postings on the reflector.
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8E9C0.731B22D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMD072-90c4883600c3a0; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:56:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD064-90c4883600c3a0; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:55:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKbG5-0002Cf-HW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:55:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKbG4-0002CW-Sa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:55:36 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-1.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.231] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKbG1-0004Bn-D0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:55:36 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAD/8gkhOlHJS/2dsb2JhbACEXKhL Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.114.82]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 16:55:25 +0100 Message-ID: <001601c8ea81$06520b20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <006e01c8e788$ca7394c0$0900a8c0@AM> <20080717110533.ji3so2ex15i0w8ok@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <487F2369.3701.24D39C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:55:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n When the big BANG comes you will regret not having learned about VALVES/TUBES and how to use them. These have a good chance of survival when all the chips have FRIED and being able to use a morse key a bonus. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:24 AM Subject: Re: LF: satellites/RadCom > Two pijnts... > 1) Satellites > Having just joined Amsat (because I felt I 'ought' to) I'm less than > impressed with a) Oscar News which has had no technical content in the > two issues so far received, and b) The Amsat -UK web site. In spite > of supposed to being able to log in I can't after several requests. > Seems there is nothing there anyway > So all in all, don't look to much from the UK Am satellite scene. > > 2) Constructional articles > Radcom is always looking out for things. My new column can continue > based on years of my own-experimentation and building in quintillions > of different subject areas from DC to pink light, digits and analogue, > but I would like input from others. Anything that isn't yet another > wire antenna or a new H-Mode mixer, and certainly no valves would be > welcome; mid-range to upper end technology is preferred using > modern(ish, in amateur terms) devices. Don't want to cover simple > basics, that is best left to Eamon and Ian in their columns. > > Waiting... > > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-9a7488588ac2be; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:14:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME033-9a7488588ac2be; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:13:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KLC2D-0007Ab-De for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:11:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KLC2A-0007AS-FH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:11:42 +0100 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com ([192.93.164.30] helo=CRAWSMAIL2.uk.thalesgroup.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KLC27-0001N8-AM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:11:42 +0100 Received: from crawsmail2.uk.thalesgroup.com (mailsweeper2.int.rdel.co.uk) by CRAWSMAIL2.uk.thalesgroup.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.14) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:10:03 +0100 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com (lisc0022.int.rdel.co.uk) by crawsmail2.uk.thalesgroup.com (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:12:09 +0100 Received: from temps153538.tms-ltd.com ([193.150.182.142]) by mail.uk.thalesgroup.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m6M74qOl021506 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:05:08 +0100 Received: by temps153538.tms-ltd.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:11:16 +0100 Message-ID: <8E8D23D235D70840B6582917DF27898006935B97@temps153538.tms-ltd.com> From: Reeves Paul To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:11:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AMATEUR_PORN=1.473,AWL=-0.880,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: 500 khz TX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8EBCA.2114EDC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.5 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN,EXCUSE_16, HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EBCA.2114EDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Graham, Don't knock it - whatever might be thought of Mal's opinion of 'real amateurs' vs 'appliance operators' (and Mal is on record as having equipment of far eastern origin..) there is nothing wrong with his transmitted signal or his operating practice. The signal is clean and stable and the cw sounds ok to what is left of my hearing even though I have to use an 'appliance' to decode most of it! Paul G8GJA -----Original Message----- From: Graham [mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: 21 July 2008 17:45 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz TX From: mal hamilton ''''My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled components from the junk box.''''' G-I-G-O , proved once again, as we appliance users used to say , you couldn't make it up ! G .. This email, including any attachment, is a confidential communication intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. It contains information which is private and may be proprietary or covered by legal professional privilege. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender upon receipt, and immediately delete it from your system. 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Graham,
 
Don't=20 knock it - whatever might be thought of Mal's opinion of 'real amateurs'&nbs= p;=20 vs  'appliance operators' (and Mal is on record as having equipment of=20= far=20 eastern origin..) there is nothing wrong with his transmitted signal or his=20 operating practice. The signal is clean and stable and the cw sounds ok to w= hat=20 is left of my hearing even though I have to use an 'appliance' to decode mos= t of=20 it!
 
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''''My 500 khz TX is made out of recycled= =20 components from the junk box.'''''
 
 
G-I-G-O , proved once again, as we applia= nce=20 users used to say ,
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EBCA.2114EDC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA101-8ba4881b4472ce; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:30:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA074-8ba4881b4472ce; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:30:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KK8ls-0007dF-8c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:30:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KK8lr-0007d6-NW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:30:31 +0100 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.158]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KK8lo-000462-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:30:31 +0100 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so206895ywk.64 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:30:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dK4oKoywvwmisMmoHhZNX9eFH0wbLT9bkmX/2SKcCHc=; b=o8VhF1XM0Rj9DEd7WVu3CrcxLpIvixo88VtW3vYfCMI/uYOirH5kDFZjuO+RjC2/y7 8DOK6qACWaQxqpFHddf2gc25AKS9qMyoc0zYAwTijZV6wEllncFpJ6LVzCvGEIAnfzul tzpfKZJmo2vXL6PjyuEw1TkXJd86VNyWYo43c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=HoScSG+sSSRB8qXQezeAhVazaJ+tzQw0NeGM0Kl9KCcBJL/Fvvd52X+vguBwCzq7Fd 00MSTb/oNjAhDq0KESUENw5oUok8SKDZnygZ0ZAPdGOB5qG+fwee61Ijy2Gyg/Tpi9om 0ieqXTzZcohP9+RLjAmKIPmP4GlhpTCEbEm0s= Received: by 10.150.12.3 with SMTP id 3mr1218738ybl.18.1216459824635; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.50.21 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:30:24 +0000 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Rad Com / critical mass etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Not speculation, I've had several discussions with him on the subject, and my idea of Radcom going unstable had him quite amused. But it is a feedback situation, and as in all control systems, the wrong phase of feedback leads to instability or lockup. Probably the main reason that little gets sent in, is that for most people writing-up a project is a very major task, and with no apparant guarantee of publication there is no incentive. The other magazines are crying-out for articles of all types, and some regular authors (ahem!) have even been propositioned by them to write articles. There still is a Tech Committe who are supposed to vet Radcom articles. Unfortunately they are a bit of a bottleneck, and tend to strangle the technical editor, who has far more experience of what is best in the mag than they do. Andy 'JNT 2008/7/18 : > In a message dated 18/07/2008 19:56:24 GMT Standard Time, > andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com writes: > > That's because no one sends anything in !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > As I said in a previous posting a few months ago to one of the many > groups (microwaves, probably) - its positive feedback. People see > reduced technical content, assume RC are taking the stand > deliberately, so don't bother writing it up. Self perpetuating and > leading to instability, in this case probably a bistable stuck in the > '0' state. Your comments, Dave, are exactly what I was speculating > on. Did you ever phone the editor and discuss their requirements, > and whether thay'd be interested? I bet not. > > Thanks Andy > > In 2000, there was a Technical + publications sub-committee. They had > mountains of material with a year or so backlog of items that they were > interested in. A much larger pile that was not suitable. I respect your > opinions Andy as you are a regular and valued contributor, but Is your first > line speculation or fact? Is it that bad? > Actually the prolific chap currently in RadCom is Eamon EI9GQ. Items just > scattered in his column are deserving of a seperate article in themselves. > e.g. The 100 / 200W FET amplifier for 2m. > Can it be that a total absence of articles is the result of 8 years of time > passing. We're all a bit older, but we're still here. Also there are > affiliated groups with specific interests and magazines. Sprat for QRP, > scatterpoint for the microwave group. Surely things can be selected from > these for wider publication. It doesn't ring true. There are many sources > that can be trawlled for material...but that needs work, whereas cut and > paste fills the pages. > Oh well todays newspaper is tomorrows fish and chip wrapper. (sorry DX. > quaint old English practice) Saves filling up shelf space. > > But, I'll give them a call and quote your first line to the editor. > > 73 > > David -- Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db09.mx.aol.com (rly-db09.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.84]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDB032-ae94891d4ec1e1; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:06:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db09.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB097-ae94891d4ec1e1; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:06:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOZiQ-0006lc-7Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:05:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOZiP-0006lT-DA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:05:17 +0100 Received: from simone.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.77]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOZiM-00018r-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:05:17 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by simone.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6VF53aw032236 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:35:06 -0230 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:35:03 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000801c8f313$38a429b0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> Message-ID: References: <000801c8f313$38a429b0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.600,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Henny, LF Group. The beacon was switched off at 0230 to prevent damage from an electrical storm. It will resume operation this evening. Thank-you for monitoring my signals, Henny and others. Do your receptions coincide with off-times for the high power broadcast stations? Local reception tests were conducted earlier this month and it was noted that the beacon was audible at distances of 600 km in the daytime over a water path at 47 north. At higher latitudes (about 50-55N) Iceland on 189 kHz was quite strong and prevented aural reception of the beacon. What I found amazing was that this persisted even during the daytime. Shouldn't E-layer absorption preclude transatlantic LF propagation at high noon? There must be something else at play?! 73 Joe VO1NA On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, henny van elst wrote: > hi joe, > this time nothing seen, > best 73s > henny pa3cpm. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME072-9ac4883a5276b; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:51:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME038-9ac4883a5276b; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:50:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKfrN-00039k-J8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:50:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKfrN-00039b-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:50:25 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.52]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKfrJ-0005nQ-9w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:50:24 +0100 X-Trace: 50261616/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.119.154 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.119.154 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmEFANdBg0hYanea/2dsb2JhbACCQy9rNYdVoU8D X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,219,1215385200"; d="scan'208,217";a="50261616" Received: from 88-106-119-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.119.154]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 20 Jul 2008 21:50:15 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:50:15 +0100 Message-ID: <00e001c8eaaa$364a0660$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjqqjX2lxROs/z/SfKBqbY07QekUQ== X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080720-0, 20/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 KHzTX Test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C8EAB2.980E6E60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C8EAB2.980E6E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi LF, Testing at the moment with 34 watts Tx - 100mW ERP - 503.600 KHz - 12wpm CW at 1 minute intervals. 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Hi LF,=

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Testing at the moment with 34 w= atts Tx - 100mW ERP – 503.600 KHz – 12wpm CW at 1 minute intervals.

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Reports welcome.

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------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C8EAB2.980E6E60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de01.mx.aol.com (rly-de01.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.137]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE052-4b24880a6cd2f4; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:21:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE017-4b24880a6cd2f4; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:21:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJqpK-00041h-GS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:20:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJqpJ-00041Q-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:20:53 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-4.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.234] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJqpD-000650-T7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:20:51 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEADhDgEhOkJ5h/2dsb2JhbACEWqpS Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.158.97]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 15:20:40 +0100 Message-ID: <003001c8e8e1$75c37ad0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20080718143702.3n65kjpyrugwkowk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <002001c8e8d9$6612e240$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:20:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.052 Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n The majority of far east countries do not use the metric system, nor does the middle east for weights and measures G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM > EXcuse me- > The only country that doesn't oficially use the Metric system is the > USA, along with two tiny ones whose names don't come to mind. And > look what not using it cost the Nasa space programme! > > I like the term "badvertising" seen in this months mag. Postings > like these come firmly into that category when seen by outsiders. > > Andy G4JNT > > > 2008/7/18 mal hamilton : >> How about all the different weights and measures used throughout the >> world >> plus the different currencies. The majority of countries do not use the >> metric system, not even in some parts of EU. >> If a radio amateur gets confused over resistors perhaps he is better >> suited >> to the internet and a mobile phone. >> de G3KEV >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" >> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:37 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM >> >> >>>> Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the >>>> traditional squiggle for a resistor. >>> >>> Using different names, symbols or abbreviations can lead to confusion >>> and >>> thus errors. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD >>> >>> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDD022-b7d4884af93186; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:47:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD057-b7d4884af93186; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:47:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KKxbb-0005r8-Bs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:47:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KKxba-0005qz-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:47:18 +0100 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.168]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KKxbX-0006od-R4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:47:18 +0100 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so1076880wfa.16 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:47:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=XnlX9q9tdT4rLmvXstgBon93Hk+0Otglw1o+nep1GSY=; b=PTfXF3Ic6cSJbq6LCxgr2Bw3E1guJQLNf4y4/Lw3iQdGJsSxzwmW9JCwx039Z3drhL HDsznP8dMAh2Dl37nYrVLr7opNZYotAORSyeDGqw+Ru8OIbNPJs7zUBS/jHmbLrnxVON jRdK95LQMObGeCXL7c7YZLE/aQi1utbHeY+20= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=BkM6KrfirAIl/VCYhjPeiP0WK4wthezOYlQ1IBFe1sHn7DZDpqtsnietvEmqOblCqj 5eM7ibu/Asd5EkgvE+1sXiphOUWmjYFh6eP3FUlFZs+oGGUDVR+wuofKLTwToIf62zwB zucvJ2xJgWuAAPuWoLgmmRAVgKJ8URcb4OGRs= Received: by 10.142.89.9 with SMTP id m9mr1396525wfb.71.1216655233713; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.37.10 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <57a24ca70807210847g4d398718gd0b32407bccd5500@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:47:13 -0400 From: "Warren Ziegler" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <48ff10040807210834v58d6be30sf2424ec4f2d5af25@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <002901c8eb29$b39ce6d0$6401a8c0@asus> <48ff10040807210834v58d6be30sf2424ec4f2d5af25@mail.gmail.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Loop Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mitch, The vhf antennas are full wave loops with a relatively high radiation resistance and low loss, electrically small loops at LF are the opposite, i.e. low radiation resistance and high loss. 73 Warren K2ORS On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Mitch Buchman wrote: > How is this different from an eggbeater or turnstile antenna, that is > often used at VHF? > > http://pagesperso-orange.fr/on6wg/Doc/Antenne%20Eggbeater-Engl-Part1-Full.pdf > > and > ARRL Radio Amateur Satellite Handbook 1st ed, p10-16 > > Mitch > KB3MYC > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Gary - G4WGT wrote: >> Andy, LF, >> >> You wrote :- >> >> "Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre line >> but at right angles to each other so there should be no coupling >> between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and >> resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original >> value." >> >> I have been pondering about something similar as I have problems remotely >> rotating yet another antenna. >> >> My idea is to make the loops in the same way as you describe but feed the 2 >> loops to the two inputs of a balanced pre-amp like the G3LNP loop pre-amp >> shown in the "LF Experimenters Handbook" >> >> What are your thoughts on that please. >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot >> Sent: 21 July 2008 12:30 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: Loop Conundrum >> >> Was pondering this while out walking the other day, and couldn't come >> to a satisfactory conclusion either way... >> >> A small magnetic loop mounted vertically has a defined radiation >> resistance that is a function of its diameter, a loss that is function >> of its conductor and hence a loss or efficiency that is the ratio of >> the two. It is resonated with a good quality vacuum capacitor, and >> fed/matched by any suitable metrhod. Lets also leave aside all the >> myth and folklore about small loops, and also ignore the environment >> for now. It also as a radiation pattern with nulls. >> >> Now, I take two identical such loops and mount then on the same centre >> line but at right angles to eachother so there should be no coupling >> between them, whatsoever. Now, I connect the two loops in series and >> resonate the combination with a single capacitor of half the original >> value. The resulting radiation pattern should have the nulls filled >> in, and be a reasonable approximation to omnidirectional in azimuth. >> >> BUT... >> What is the resulting change in efficiency? >> >> Argument 1: >> Two identical loops = two times the loss R, but also two times the >> radiation resistance (since they don't couple) so net efficiency >> remains the same. >> >> Argument 2 : >> Chu-Harrington relates efficiency / Q / bandwidth / volume enclosed. >> Therefore, as the enclosed volume has increased, the effciency ought >> to rise. >> >> Both arguments developed little side trendrils & thoughts as I walked >> and pondered, and both appear valid in their own way. So >> the floor is open for discussion :- >> >> And where does the net radiation pattern fit into the equation? Does >> it, at all ? >> -- >> Andy G4JNT >> www.scrbg.org/g4jnt >> >> ps. Fascinating paper on EMP btw. - I was up way past midnight last >> night reading it. >> >> >> > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (rly-ma03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.47]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINMA063-897488f4aaf227; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:52:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA031-897488f4aaf227; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:52:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KNsPS-0002g8-JR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:50:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KNsPS-0002fz-0Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:50:50 +0100 Received: from smtp801.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.61]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNsPQ-0004Cm-9y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:50:49 +0100 Received: (qmail 69383 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 16:50:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance:Thread-Index; b=NXYHepWsCKJLa/l6Px07fv8vpHqnz+FBhKws1qSciEjLB+AmqF0bOIn2abZ05OYaAveFyLPFj+mHKC7wlTPAsEmFfaqhsFnUADZlIMW8001D07StgnZKIoI+cP7lMrArp8m32Cl8aA5CShgEjxLF4Pl4I87rPxOBc2dSDnHwF/o= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@btinternet.com@81.129.231.144 with login) by smtp801.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 16:50:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: br.ER10VM1m9zxCizBkEQr6Nh.VNhCApQW.eD7_kmZDwT47XVbLd7VxPyzlX30kbs4hTS_tjJGKBoZ3v2IAXie.bpvtExqRDGBBKKgobFQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:50:41 +0100 Message-ID: <004a01c8f19b$3d370520$a402a8c0@Inspiron> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acjxms5jloXtchH3RyepU+fqLE+bhwAAErJg DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500KHz NoV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01C8F1A3.9EFB6D20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C8F1A3.9EFB6D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, =20 After reading through loads of stuff and monitoring the LF Group I'm left with the decision of whether to start on 136 or 500KHz. =20 500KHz seems much easier to deal with from the outset, and hopefully the NoV period will be extended further next year. However the NoV itself is the possible stumbling block in that it appears that experience on 136KHz is a big plus that Ofcom appear to be looking for, =20 My question is, would I get away with applying for a NoV without first being active on 136KHz, or has anyone already taken this route and been successful? =20 73, Lee M0LMH. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C8F1A3.9EFB6D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,

 

After reading through loads of stuf= f and monitoring the LF Group I’m left with the decision of whether to start on 136 or 500KHz.

 

500KHz seems much easier to deal wi= th from the outset, and hopefully the NoV period will be extended further next year.

However the NoV itself is the possi= ble stumbling block in that it appears that experience on 136KHz is a big plus that Ofcom appear to be looking for,

 

My question is, would I get away wi= th applying for a NoV without first being active on 136KHz, or has anyone already taken this route and been successful?

 

73,

Lee M0LMH.

 

------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C8F1A3.9EFB6D20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG013-a274880964ef; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:10:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG081-a274880964ef; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:10:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJpil-0003VO-Pd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:10:03 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJpil-0003VF-6H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:10:03 +0100 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJpih-0007zU-RM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:10:03 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080718131620.ORZP16629.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:16:20 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [86.13.40.136]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080718131001.SWBE18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:10:01 +0100 Message-ID: <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:09:50 +0100 From: David Towers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AMATEUR_PORN=1.473 Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : ? X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) The argument was instigated by a G3 as well!!!A CW enthusiast no doubt, and one of Mals "old school real amateurs"?. Sorry Mal but digital modes are useful to those of us with impairments that prevent us from having, obtaining or achieving a "CW fist. So stop this "real radio amateur" and "CW only" crap and allow us to enjoy the hobby in a way that we enjoy, to the best of our imperfect abilities. 73 dave G8SZX Glenfield Leicester IO92jp webpage www.g8szx.mediumwaveradio.org mal hamilton wrote: > > Latest copy. > In depth discussion about how a resistor should be represented on a cct > diagram. > Boxes or squiggles !!!!!!!! > Does it matter, what is wrong with Kilocycles, condensers, and the > traditional squiggle for a resistor. It seem some so called > designers/engineerts and others have nothing better to do than dream up > changes which are not necessary. > Also, how did we all manage in the heyday of HF radio with analogue > systems, not a DIGI in sight, the world still kept spinning. > How about some good RF enigneering and less DC building blocks. > It is more challenging to use an old basic rig, ie Collins, Drake etc > and enjoy natural communications methods like CW and VOICE (AM or SSB). > No complicated digital modes are necessary, just a steady sound CW fist, > good symetrical ears and for some elecution lessons !! > de G3KEV > > This message has been processed by Firetrust Benign > . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINME094-9e2487a4580374; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:12:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME106-9e2487a4580374; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:12:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KI639-0006zH-OZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:11:55 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KI639-0006z8-3X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:11:55 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-4.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.234] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KI635-0008Tv-Dh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:11:55 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmU/AE/ieUhZ8YuQPGdsb2JhbAATgiwzgWqFOgqIAwEBAQEti1iJSw Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.241.139.144]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2008 19:11:35 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c8e513$e3173f30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:11:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: satellites Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8E51C.43AA7A30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8E51C.43AA7A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since there is no LF/MF news or acty I would like to know if anyone knows ho= w the satellite scene is getting on. I have not seen any mention of satellite acty in Radcom for a long time, has= this also fizzled out. Perhaps the internet and mobile phone appliance operation has taken over. Go= od bye amateur radio!!! De G3KEV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8E51C.43AA7A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Since there is no LF/MF news or acty I woul= d like=20 to know if anyone knows how the satellite scene is getting on.
I have not seen any mention of satellite ac= ty in=20 Radcom for a long time, has this also fizzled out.
Perhaps the internet and mobile phone appli= ance=20 operation has taken over. Good bye amateur radio!!!
De G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8E51C.43AA7A30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df01.mx.aol.com (rly-df01.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.14]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5294880cfe02aa; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:16:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF016-5294880cfe02aa; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:16:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJtYC-0004sT-BN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:15:24 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJtYB-0004sK-Mm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:15:23 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-2.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.232] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJtY6-0001ep-Du for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:15:23 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgwMAOVsgEhOkJ5h/2dsb2JhbAATgi0ygWmFQgqIZpEBixc Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.144.158.97]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 18:15:09 +0100 Message-ID: <005e01c8e8f9$d5bc7e60$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:15:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: KEEP GOING Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C8E902.3747ADF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C8E902.3747ADF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF and LF are virtually dead and I thought the reflector had gone the same w= ay, I was wrong, just give you boys some ammunition and there are ATTACKS a= nd counter ATTACKS. Keep it up. G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C8E902.3747ADF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF and LF are virtually dead and I thought=20= the=20 reflector had gone the same way, I was wrong,  just give you boys some=20 ammunition and there are ATTACKS and counter ATTACKS. Keep it up.
G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C8E902.3747ADF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDB032-ab64891dc4d216; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:38:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB034-ab64891dc4d216; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:37:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KOaDd-0006vT-Mw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:37:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KOaDd-0006vK-BR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:37:33 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpo-eml04.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.153]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOaDa-0002Yp-Jj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:37:33 +0100 Received: from cpsmtp-eml101.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.101]) by cpsmtpo-eml04.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:37:23 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by cpsmtp-eml101.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:37:23 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c8f323$54b08a80$7c7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: References: <000801c8f313$38a429b0$7c7ba8c0@ACER> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:37:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 15:37:23.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[53C69FB0:01C8F323] X-Karma: -1000: uceprotect.blacklist: if-match(0) => return-bad(1.0) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 187.375khz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n hi joe, the best time for us to recieve your signal is between 23:00 and 02:00 hours utc. henny pa3cpm best 73s ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: Re: LF: 187.375khz > Hi Henny, LF Group. > > The beacon was switched off at 0230 to prevent damage from > an electrical storm. It will resume operation this evening. > Thank-you for monitoring my signals, Henny and others. > Do your receptions coincide with off-times for the high > power broadcast stations? > > Local reception tests were conducted earlier this month and it was > noted that the beacon was audible at distances of 600 km in the > daytime over a water path at 47 north. At higher latitudes > (about 50-55N) Iceland on 189 kHz was quite strong and prevented > aural reception of the beacon. What I found amazing was that > this persisted even during the daytime. Shouldn't E-layer absorption > preclude transatlantic LF propagation at high noon? There must be > something else at play?! > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, henny van elst wrote: > >> hi joe, >> this time nothing seen, >> best 73s >> henny pa3cpm. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh08.mx.aol.com (rly-mh08.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.144]) by air-mh03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH033-bf04888ff4c379; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:17:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH088-bf04888ff4c379; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:16:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KM95B-0004nZ-1a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:14:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KM95A-0004nQ-FN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:14:44 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KM956-0005xd-JB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:14:44 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3426.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BAF531C0008A for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:14:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.93.35]) by mwinf3426.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 015841C00086 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:14:30 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080724221431556.015841C00086@mwinf3426.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <78354821F47346A99538CF6923DD3D22@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000c01c8e8c3$7e117840$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <4880961E.4040803@ntlworld.com> <000901c8e8e0$f8d6bc80$693a2e40@p1i5f0> <4880B1E7.3040008@ntlworld.com> <000a01c8edb7$0174f7a0$713a2e40@p1i5f0> <004101c8edc4$b4bc9590$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:14:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: 600m Info Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Some thoughts on 600 The antenna systems and power levels needed to establish communication on 600 Mtr's are considerably smaller than 2200 , the tx power levels are compatible to normal HF operation , in tests , 20 watts feeding a 35 ft top loaded system , using modern and not so modern data systems have produced reliable copy both inside the apparent ground wave range of 60/70 miles ( A un expected phenomena resulting in 'beacon bedlam' a testing time south of Watford gap ) and in the intermediate skip ranges of 250+ and 500+ miles. 5 or 10 watts , giving a good trace at Johns most excellent internet linked panoramic monitoring station located in the Shetland islands , some 600 miles north of my qth , which at the moment can be observed a on going propagation experiment by Finbar with compact antenna array, slightly closer (to me) is of course I think the original monitoring station established by Dave in Birmingham , which has proved invaluable as a remote monitor for those in ground wave range , some 500 mW being all that is required to produce a trace It is tempting to replicate vlf systems and launch them on 600 mtr , but in retrospect this might of been the result of operations rising from the lower bands and not , dropping down from top band, where it would of never occurred to any one using data to of deployed a non linear system, even with the deployment of the 'wspr' auto reporting beacon system, still requires either the use of a pic controlled dds exciter or the linear translation of the sound card interface. linear translation in frequency that is , to retain the very narrow fsk The generation of power levels round the 100 watt , may be accomplished by any of the existing technology's and where it is quite possible to obtain high levels of efficiency with non-linear systems , in the long run the limitation this imposes on the types of modes that may be used, may, if taken into account at the off set , may of resulted in a much higher take up The only advice I would give is , If you can use top band , then you can use 600 , you don't need much power and keep your options open , keep it linear ... this opens up experimentation using all most anything ... prologue However If you have introduced logic in the transmitter drive chain , this rather well presented project by 'Jim may facilitate a change of mode? Link's :- http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/eer-transmitting http://uk500khz.googlegroups.com/web/EER_Transverter_v2.pdf?gda=t-IW0EcAAADreA3He7z-1zl0nx8aKTrkbPAui0z31g_35dksGVSJPGG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDT1pV1Og9oeqwS6db_U_lgaw8OU8Ap4Nqh177si8htneQ Reference material listed on the EER transmitting page of the uk500khz news group. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary - G4WGT" Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:37 PM To: Subject: LF: RE: 600m Info > Steve, LF, > > Re: "Scopematch" > > I built the "LF Tuning Meter" from Jim M0BMU for 136 KHz & I now use it > for > 500 KHz & it works just as well. > > Quoting from the article :- > > "This LF tuning meter was conceived to perform the same function, > but to be a simple, self-contained unit requiring no additional power > supply." > > http://www.picks.plus.com/software/LFtunemeter.pdf > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve McDonald > Sent: 24 July 2008 18:59 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: 600m Info > > Are there any web sites devoted to 600m circuits etc? I am aware of the > U.S. > group one as well as G3YMC's page and N4ICK's tx design, but perhaps there > are others as well? > > Several of the 2200m experimental licencees have just been asked to submit > formal proposals for 600m experimental permits here in Canada so things > are > starting to look positive but I have no idea of the timeline. Just in > case, > I thought I had better get the soldering iron warmed-up once again, not > that > it has ever really cooled-off. > > Also...does anyone know how well the M0MBU scope match circuit (that works > so wonderfully-well on 2200m) performs on 600m without any modification? > > Steve / VE7SL > > Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1571 - Release Date: 7/24/2008 > 17:42 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMG042-a084880d0552e1; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:18:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG042-a084880d0552e1; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:18:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJtap-0004wK-KY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:18:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJtap-0004wB-2X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:18:07 +0100 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJtal-0001gz-H6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:18:07 +0100 Received: from GandalfG8@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id l.c52.34df82f4 (42809) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:17:45 -0400 (EDT) From: GandalfG8@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:17:45 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: RADCOM - CONSTRUCTIONAL ITEMS AND ALL THAT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1216401465" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + -------------------------------1216401465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/07/2008 17:12:52 GMT Daylight Time, dennis.easterling@btinternet.com writes: Sneers against the new 'Radcom' editor and the comic, which I take to mean 'Practical Wireless' and its associated publications are unworthy. When I joined the RSGB three years ago, I was initially disappointed with 'Radcom' which seem to have limited content and lacked style. Under the new editor, the style has improved enormously and the contents are generally well balanced. Of course, many of us we would like to see more constructional items and news of exciting research, but as G3WKL pointed out, this depends on those actively involved producing the necessary articles. As far as PW is concerned, it has kept going over the years and won many friends, including myself. From the earliest days to the present time it has been one of the few windows on the world of amateur radio, raising interest in old and young, something we still surely need. Phew! I fell better to have got that off my chest. ----------------------- Shame then that you did such a good job of getting many of your facts wrong. Yes, RadCom has improved considerably but that has been under the editorship of Giles Read who remains Technical Editor. No, he is not the new Managing Editor, who's appointment is sufficiently recent to be irrelevant to those improvements that have impressed you. No, the "comic" in this instance is not Practical Wireless, despite that being known as Camm's Comic in the past, but another offering from PWP known as RadioUser, the result of PWP's misguided decision to dump ShortWave Mag and its editor in order to produce this dumbed down offering. It wasn't all that long ago, and may still be ongoing for all I know, that editorial comment in RadioUser was encouraging contributions on all aspects of radio "operating", regardless of the legality of some practices, presumably in attempts to find a niche audience after most previous SWM readers had no doubt departed the fold in favour of Monitoring Monthly. That's what your new Managing Editor of RadCom was doing whilst Giles Read was making such a good job of sorting out what it was that had prevously disappoined you. Funny old world ain't it? Regards Nigel GM8PZR -------------------------------1216401465 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 18/07/2008 17:12:52 GMT Daylight Time,=20 dennis.easterling@btinternet.com writes:
Sneers against the new 'Radcom' editor an= d the=20 comic, which I take to mean 'Practical Wireless' and its associated=20 publications are unworthy.   When I joined the RSGB three years=20= ago,=20 I was initially disappointed with 'Radcom' which seem to have limited cont= ent=20 and lacked style.   Under the new editor, the style has improved= =20 enormously and the contents are generally well balanced.   Of=20 course, many of us we would like to see more constructional items and news= =20 of exciting research, but as G3WKL pointed out, this depends on those= =20 actively involved producing the necessary articles. 
 
As far as PW is concerned, it has kept go= ing over=20 the years and won many friends, including myself.   From the=20 earliest days to the present time it has been one of the few win= dows=20 on the world of amateur radio, raising interest in old and young, somethin= g we=20 still surely need.
 
Phew! I fell better to have got that off=20= my=20 chest.
-----------------------
Shame then that you did such a good job of getting many of your=20 facts wrong.
 
Yes, RadCom has improved considerably but that has been under the=20 editorship of Giles Read who remains Technical Editor.
 
No, he is not the new Managing Editor, who's appointment is=20 sufficiently recent to be irrelevant to those improvements that have=20 impressed you.
 
No, the "comic" in this instance is not Practical Wireless,=20 despite that being known as Camm's Comic in the past, but another=20 offering from PWP known as RadioUser, the result of PWP's misguided=20 decision to dump ShortWave Mag and its editor in order to produce=20 this dumbed down offering.
 
It wasn't all that long ago, and may still be ongoing for all I=20 know, that editorial comment in RadioUser was encouraging contributions= on=20 all aspects of radio "operating", regardless of the legality of some practic= es,=20 presumably in attempts to find a niche audience after most previous SWM= =20 readers had no doubt departed the fold in favour of Monitoring Monthly.
 
That's what your new Managing Editor of RadCom was doing whilst Giles R= ead=20 was making such a good job of sorting out what it was that had prevously=20 disappoined you.
 
Funny old world ain't it?
 
Regards
 
Nigel
GM8PZR
 -------------------------------1216401465-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDB031-adc487f35121dd; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:03:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB082-adc487f35121dd; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:03:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KJSCA-0000lc-Kb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:02:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KJSCA-0000lT-7s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:02:50 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KJSC6-0006Uy-1v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:02:50 +0100 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj4uANXRfkhOlKwvPGdsb2JhbACEW4NyiXABAQEBLZ0n Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.172.47]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 13:02:37 +0100 Message-ID: <003601c8e805$02667a10$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003c01c8e7e6$5eca7500$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:02:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: satellites Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi John With only half a dozen operators active on 500 khz and then only at weekends, its unlikely to attract many authers. There is enough information already available for potential newcomers and veterans rebuilding One point that comes up frequently is permitted power.on 500 khz in the UK. I would suggest an increase in power to at least 20w erp, to encourage some long range propagation experiments and some technical input for the larger amplifiers required. 160 metres at the other end of the MF spectrum is similar to 600 metres regarding propagation and you would not get far with reliability with 1w erp on that band. 73 de Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W Gould" To: Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:23 AM Subject: RE: LF: satellites To me the important point that I tried to make in my posting, which has drawn no comment, is the one I made about getting people to write up their experimental work for publication, and specifically that concerning 500kHz. To maintain progress on gaining a long-term allocation around 500kHz we will need to raise the profile nationally and internationally of work undertaken on 500kHz. One way of doing this is to get a few good technical articles written, not just sharing knowledge but encouraging others and providing suitable designs to enable them to join in; good construction articles can do just that. 73 John, G3WKL