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LF, Nicolas,

F4DTL received last night in QRSS60 mode. Antenna 1,2m tuned loop, RX ICOM
IC-PCR1000 with tuned pre-amp.

73, Dave G3WCB, IO91RM near Windsor, S.E England
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of F4DTL@aol.com
  Sent: 08 May 2008 22:41
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: F4DTL beacon DTL new test


  Special thanx to Victor PA3FNY, Eberhard, Jean-Pierre F1AFJ and Hartmut
Wolff for reports of last night.

  This evening new test with a modified Z transformer (THT TV core) and 130W
QRSS60.
  Always my small vertical antenna (10m without capacitive hat)


  Monitoring : http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm

  F4DTL in JN18FP

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D182002314-09052008>LF, Nicolas,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D182002314-09052008></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D182002314-09052008>F4DTL received last night in QRSS60 mo=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D182002314-09052008>73, Dave G3WCB, IO91RM near Windsor, S=
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  </B>F4DTL@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> 08 May 2008 22:41<BR><B>To:</B>=20
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  <DIV>Always my small vertical antenna (10m without capacitive hat)</DIV>
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m">http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm</A></DIV>
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Hello Nicolas,
good copy last night of your beacon in JN49.
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vy73
Marco
DD7PC
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Rx: Yaesu FT857, G0MRF Preamp and PA0DRT Miniwhip antenna

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Special thanx to Victor PA3FNY, Eberhard, Jean-Pierre F1AFJ and Hartmut
Wolff for reports of last night.
=20
This evening new test with a modified Z transformer (THT TV core) and
130W QRSS60.
Always my small vertical antenna (10m without capacitive hat)
=20
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Monitoring : http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
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Because CW and the necessary equipment is the most direct approach, but you
have to be a real radio amateur with CW skills
Me and my world will still be going when all the appliance operators and
their digis have been Zapped.
CW is a quiet mode to operate, the only noise is a few clicks from the key
but SSB, AM etc are noisy modes and easily detected by passers by.
Voice modes are not used for radio fox hunting only CW for the same reasons.
G3KEV


----- Original Message -----
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> And just why would only CW radios survive?? This is news - EMP will ONLY
> take out SSB/FM/AM radios!!
>
> As usual Mal lives in his own little world.
>
> Paul     G8GJA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mal [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net]
> Sent: 05 May 2008 18:48
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> Subject: LF: ZAP
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>
> A recent newspaper report indicates a certain country building up its
> ability to ZAP all appliance communications systems ie Satellite and
> Internet systems.
> and do not forget SATNAV systems.
> Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
> national control.
> That leaves the average radio amateur appliance operator out of the comms
> business.
> Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be
the
> only source of communications in the end.
> Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF
> skills should be encouraged.
> Some might critize these observations but BEWARE
> I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance
> devices being unable to contact shore stations and only managed because
some
> senior  staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This
> could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the
500
> khz CW band and mothballed some costal stations, in fact some ships are
> still equipped with MF/HF equipment as well as Sat systems.
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> G3KEV
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Dear Hajo,

thanks for the report.
Just worked ON4KTJ, but even here he was only 339 over abt 70km distance.
His QTH is Ath (abt 50km SW of Brussels).
Maybe southcoast G's can copy him.

Anyway: my 14th station and 5th DXCC.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de:

> Just heard weak signals from OR7T on 502,2 kHz in eastern Bavaria, QTH
> JN68GN;
> at 20.40 the end of a qso with ON4??, and
>
> at 20.44 cq d3e OR7T
>
> Paul-Hendrik, tnx for your explanations. I also feel that for the time
> being 23.00 UTC will be the optimum time for EU dx. We both have the
> same local summer time i guess.
>
> Nw back to the reiceiver.
>
> 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
>
> "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
>> 500kHz propagation from western europe sets in very late (early  =20
>> morning) here
>> now, there is no complete nighttime darkness up here anymore so the D-lay=
er
>> gets very little rest. Midsummer is about a month away and it will be Aug=
ust
>> before signals slowly start improving here again on MF.
>>
>> DI2AM was weak too at the time I had the first copy of Rik.
>>
>> 2200z is local midnight here and mid-path midnight will be almost one hou=
r
>> later.
>>
>> So in fact 2125z was still "early" copy of Rik here. I expect  =20
>> signals would have
>> improved vastly from that. This is a very typical behaviour for  =20
>> DI2AM signals
>> during recent weeks.
>>
>> The opposite situation:
>>
>> In mid winter I could copy GM4SLV 24/7 on the Shetland - Vaasa path =20
>>  during some
>> longer tests we ran.
>>
>>
>> Will keep an ear on 502.95kHz during the weekend when/if I'm in the shack
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
>> Vaasa / KP03SD
>>
>>
>> Quoting hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de:
>>
>> > This is a pity. According to Rik's time table I did not listen after
>> > 21.00z
>> >
>> > But during the summer season this seems to be necessary. No problem for
>> > me, I am retired.
>> >
>> > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
>> >
>> >
>> > "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
>> > > Hear you calling CQ on 502.95kHz at 2125z
>> > >
>> > > Weak but readable, a Q4
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 73's
>> > >
>> > > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
>> > > Vaasa / KP03SD
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Quoting Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
>> > >
>> > > > Dear all,
>> > > >
>> > > > I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) a=
nd
>> > > > once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
>> > > > Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowes=
t
>> > > > QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
>> > > > I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC,
>> > > > monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
>> > > >
>> > > > I am running 250 Watt (=3D 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and=
 25m
>> > > > long T-antenna.
>> > > > Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the
>> > > > theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
>> > > > But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a
>> > > > good part of it.
>> > > >
>> > > > 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
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Hello Andrey ,
Good copy now of your signal on my "grabber " , antenna qtf 035 !
I go on qtf 295 for the T/A window .
http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
73 qro J-P f1afj JN06HT

Andrey RN3AGC a =E9crit :
> Hello All,
> RN3AGC beacon start 19.30 z ~137.777.6 qrss60.
> Power ~100-150 W.
> All reports are welcome.
>
> 73
> RN3AGC
>
>
>

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F6BWO 137715 QRSS3
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John

Hope you'll reconsider your departure. I find your grabber quite useful for 
T/A work as well any and all beacon operations.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Sergeant" <dave@davesergeant.com>
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> On 12 May 2008 at 22:46, John Pumford-Green GM4SLV wrote:
>
>> Normal amateur bands are the place for radio amateurs to have normal CW
>> QSOs.
>>
>> 500 is not a normal amateur band and you should expect operations to be
>> conducted in ways that may offend your narrow definition of how to
>> operate.
>>
>
> Oh dear dear dear......
>
> Personally, while getting very bored with these petty arguments,
> beacons do nothing for me at all and there are plenty of other 500kHz
> operators who like me DO like normal QSOs. Quite a lot of those were
> active in the early days (and also of 136kHz) who are never heard these
> days as they have got disillusioned. There is a place for both beacons
> and normal CW QSOs (and data modes as well) on both these bands and to
> say otherwise is total nonsense.
>
> I was going to try and sort out the matching of my 500kHz vertical this
> week and get back on the band. I have now lost that enthusiasm, seeing
> as it appears there will be nobody for me to work anyway.
>
> Sorry to see you go John, but really these sorts of arguments do little
> to help.
>
> 73 Dave G3YMC
>
> http://www.davesergeant.com
>
> 



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Dear all

It's that time again.. I need news for the next Radcom LF column. What have
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Dear all<br><br>It&#39;s that time again.. I need news for the next Radcom LF column. What have you been working/building/hearing on LF/MF?<br>Please let me know to this address or g3yxm at wireless dot org dot uk<br clear="all">
<br>73<br>Dave.<br>-- <br>G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

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hi joe,
nothing seen today,
best 73s
henny cpm.

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Dave
I recently purchased a 24v/100a alternator and am in the process of building=
 a wind generator to run the shack LF/MF equipment. If this project is of in=
terest I will let you have the details and photos etc. I have engineered/bui=
lt the 3 propeller blades and it is spinning well !!=20
73 de Mal/G3KEV


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  Dear all

  It's that time again.. I need news for the next Radcom LF column. What hav=
e you been working/building/hearing on LF/MF?
  Please let me know to this address or g3yxm at wireless dot org dot uk

  73
  Dave.
  --=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I recently purchased a 24v/100a alternator=20=
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this project is of interest I will let you have the details and photos etc.=20=
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have engineered/built the 3 propeller blades and it is spinning well !!=20
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next=20
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Hi Marco.

nice cpy your signal hr in JO51TQ. congrats on your first LF-transm.
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And I  thought the dinosaurs died out 650 million years ago :-)

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(Never used a valve in my life. Dislike morse but forced to use it
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> On 05/05/2008, mal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
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Hello Gary , Markus ,
=20
my grabber is identical to that of Markus , I use WPUT.EXE for the=20
transfer on the ftp .

73 Jean-Pierre F1AFJ

Markus Vester a =E9crit :
> Hi Gary,
> =20
> my grabber is based on a very useful commandline FTP utility called=20
> WCL_FTP, by Ken Anderson. It is run by SpecLab's periodic actions.
> =20
> Best regards,
> Markus (DF6NM)
> =20
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>     *To:* LF -RSGB LF Group <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>     *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2008 7:56 PM
>     *Subject:* LF: Upload software.
>
>     *Hi LF,*
>
>     * *
>
>     *What is the software for uploading screen shots to a grabber page
>     of a website ?*
>
>     * *
>
>     *As I run a Softrock receiver 24/7 I will give it a try & set up a
>     grabber.*
>
>     * *
>
>     *Any hints & tips will be appreciated from the experienced users.*
>
>     * *
>
>     **73,**
>
>     =20
>
>     **Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.**
>
>     =20
>

--=20
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Hi all,

19:30              wpf   t    dfcw
19:45..22:45   wpf  m/o
20:10..22:25   agc   o/oo
I read:   f  wpf ++ wpf o agc ++ agc o r o  wpf ++ wpf r o agc sk ++ agc
wpf sk
20:45..22:30  dtl    o/m
00:00..03:30   xgj   t/m/o/m/t  best 02:30


73 de Eberhard  DL3ZID JO53PO


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In a message dated 06/05/2008 18:30:31 GMT Daylight Time,  
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I also  experienced a H-bomb explosion on Christmas Island and have first
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Hmmmmmmmmm
 
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nur zu Info
DI2AT ist wegen Urlaub abgeschalten.
Wahrscheinlich geht es erst im Sptenber wieder weiter, da zu wenig 
Rückmeldungen kamem (ca- eine / Monat)
Gruß
Roland DI2AT/ DL3NDR

hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de schrieb:
> Dear Rik,
>
> tried to copy You by ear tonight but nil. 
>
> Even DI2AM cannot be heard before 20.00 UTC here in eastern Bavaria,
> JN68GN.
>
> But I will listen the following evenings too.
>
> 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
>
> "Rik Strobbe" <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> schrieb:
>   
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and 
>> once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
>> Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest 
>> QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
>> I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC, 
>> monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
>>
>> I am running 250 Watt (= 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m 
>> long T-antenna.
>> Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the 
>> theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
>> But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a 
>> good part of it.
>>
>> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>>
>>
>> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
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Hi Marco,

congratulations on your first LF transmission! Your signal was about 0.8=20=
=C2=B5V/m here in Nuernberg JN59NK.

I wish you success and all the best.

Markus, DF6NM



----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Scholz, Marco " <marco.scholz@citi.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 5:24 PM
Subject: LF: Beacon DD7PC on 137.776


> Dear LF-Group,
> I transmitting the first time on 137.776KHz in beacon mode in QRSS30. If s=
uccuss I send detup details later, but very experimental.
> Please I'm very happen for any report.
>=20
> Thank you
> Vy73
> Marco
> DD7PC
> JN49ax
>=20
>

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Marco,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>congratulations on your first LF=20
transmission!&nbsp;Your signal was about 0.8 =C2=B5V/m here in Nuernberg=20
JN59NK.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I wish you success and all the best.</FONT>=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Markus, DF6NM</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subject: LF: Beacon DD7PC on=20
137.776</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BR><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial   size=3D2>&gt; Dear LF-Group,<BR>&gt; I transmitting the first tim=
e on 137.776KHz=20
in beacon mode in QRSS30. If succuss I send detup details later, but very=20
experimental.<BR>&gt; Please I'm very happen for any report.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt=
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Hello from Iowa in the US - EN31do,

Very interesting. Such technology could be reasonably expected to exist. I
agree with your observations totally. 

Granted that my anecdote is about 10 years olde: a man I used to work with
at that time was a retired US Navy Chief and had recently visited a new at
that time ship. He was not allowed full access but did take note of a CW key
under a neat plastic cover sitting at one end of the operating desk. He
asked what and the rejoinder: "It always works!"

I opposed the abandonment of the code for several reason and levels - and
still do!

When I was still teaching I insisted my math students know the
multiplication table! I did a lot of defending - but - I am right!!!

73,

Doc.

________________________________________________

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:48
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: ZAP

A recent newspaper report indicates a certain country building up its
ability to ZAP all appliance communications systems ie Satellite and
Internet systems.
and do not forget SATNAV systems.
Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
national control.
That leaves the average radio amateur appliance operator out of the comms
business.
Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be the
only source of communications in the end.
Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF
skills should be encouraged.
Some might critize these observations but BEWARE
I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance
devices being unable to contact shore stations and only managed because some
senior  staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This
could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the 500
khz CW band and mothballed some costal stations, in fact some ships are
still equipped with MF/HF equipment as well as Sat systems.


G3KEV





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Hi Hennym

Thanks for monitoring,
73 es gl
Joe

On Wed, 7 May 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> hi joe,
> nothing seen,
> 73s
> henny pa3cpm.


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Field telephone cable , must be similar pvc/steel/copper ?

I think the cable that feeds my phone has 4 cores, it replaced the gray flat 
twin quite a while ago , have seen some  kevlar/copper Ae  wire on ebay

G ..



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:09 AM
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> Peter, LF,
>
> I got mine as scrap from a telephone engineer many years ago.
>
> I have used it as twin balanced feeder with a HF trap dipole & an inverted 
> V
> & worked very well. The drop wire I had only had one wire copper coated
> (don't know why). It is strong & light & was told that it is about 72 ohms
> as a balanced feeder.
>
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Peter Dodd
> Sent: 15 May 2008 23:55
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Antenna wire
>
> BT telephone drop wire seems to be very good material for antenna wire.
> Does anyone know where you can buy it?
>
> Regards
>
>
> Peter         G3LDO
>
>
>
>


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Hello Gary, LF!
It is to early on receiving your signal, but my RX will be ready after
sunset. No QRN this evening, band is quiet.
 
GL!
 
Lubos, OK2BVG
 
****************************************
 
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
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Hi LF,
 
Currently testing on 503.600 KHz.
QRS 3 & CW ID 12wpm, 5 minute intervals.
 
Modified antenna at 12 mtrs, elevated inductance at 8 mtrs, 1W ERP Tx
power 225 watts DC input.
 
LF/MF antenna now back in service after broken winch cable replacement.
 
Reports welcome.
 
73,
 
Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
 

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hello Gary, LF!<o:p></o=
:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is to early on recei=
ving your signal,
but my RX will be ready after sunset. No QRN this evening, band is quiet.<o:=
p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>GL!<o:p></o:p></span></=
font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Lubos, OK2BVG<o:p></o:p=
></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>***********************=
*****************<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:  10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DTaho=
ma><span  style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Messag=
e-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or=
g] <b><span  style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gary - G4WGT=
<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 07, 2008=
 7:32
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> LF -RSGB LF Group<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: 500 khz Testing=20=
1W
erp</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D3  face=3D"Ti=
mes New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span  lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ans=
i-language:EN-GB;  font-weight:bold'>Hi LF,<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span  lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ans=
i-language:EN-GB;  font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span  lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ans=
i-language:EN-GB;  font-weight:bold'>Currently testing on 503.600 KHz.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span  lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ans=
i-language:EN-GB;  font-weight:bold'>QRS 3 &amp; CW ID 12wpm, 5 minute inter=
vals.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span  lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ans=
i-language:EN-GB;  font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span  lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ans=
i-language:EN-GB;  font-weight:bold'>Modified antenna at 12 mtrs, elevated i=
nductance at 8 mtrs,
1W ERP Tx power 225 watts DC input.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span  lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ans=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span  lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ans=
i-language:EN-GB;  font-weight:bold'>LF/MF antenna now back in service after=
 broken winch cable
replacement.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span  lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ans=
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rial><span  lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ans=
i-language:EN-GB;  font-weight:bold'>Reports welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></fon=
t></b></p>

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rial><span  lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ans=
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 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial=
;  mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>73,</span></font></b></strong><span lang=3DEN-GB=
  style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial=
;  mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.</span></font></b></strong=
><span  lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>

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Hi Markus, Jean-Pierre, LF,

Thank you for the additional method, I will have a look at that one also.

I have just managed to get Argo-upload operational. When I am happy with the
grabber I will announce the address & users can e-mail me their comments.

73

Gary - G4WGT


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Jean-Pierre M=E9r=
=E9
Sent: 24 May 2008 14:16
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: Upload software.

Hello Gary , Markus ,
=20
my grabber is identical to that of Markus , I use WPUT.EXE for the=20
transfer on the ftp .

73 Jean-Pierre F1AFJ

Markus Vester a =E9crit :
> Hi Gary,
> =20
> my grabber is based on a very useful commandline FTP utility called=20
> WCL_FTP, by Ken Anderson. It is run by SpecLab's periodic actions.
> =20
> Best regards,
> Markus (DF6NM)
> =20
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>     *To:* LF -RSGB LF Group <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>     *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2008 7:56 PM
>     *Subject:* LF: Upload software.
>
>     *Hi LF,*
>
>     * *
>
>     *What is the software for uploading screen shots to a grabber page
>     of a website ?*
>
>     * *
>
>     *As I run a Softrock receiver 24/7 I will give it a try & set up a
>     grabber.*
>
>     * *
>
>     *Any hints & tips will be appreciated from the experienced users.*
>
>     * *
>
>     **73,**
>
>     =20
>
>     **Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.**
>
>     =20
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Hi Mal.
I have still got my slide rule, still working and EMP hardened.

73.
Ken   M0KHW
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 10:13 PM
Subject: LF: Re: RE: Survival


> No bunkers just cycle around and work /M and this has been done before or
> stop and hide behind a hedge, and the manual  says do either of two 
> things,
> 1. Turn the bicycle upside down,  turn the pedal  with one hand to 
> generate
> the electricity and send CW with the other.
> or
> 2. Sit on bicycle with back wheel raised off the ground on its parking
> bracket and pedal in the normal way to generate electricity, manipulate
> morse key.
> This is a quiet operation either way and avoids detection also cost
> effective.
> Preferably use low consumption radio tubes to avoid knockout from EMP that
> has meantime destroyed all the satellites and associated systems.
> Operator qualifications:-
> Ability to send and receive morse code, use a soldering iron, able to ride 
> a
> bicycle, mechanically/electrically handy. These are all the things a Radio
> Amateur used to be able to do, but todays amateurs DOUBTFUL.
> One other thing, learn to do calculations manually ie division,
> multiplication, subtraction and some algebra would be useful because your
> electronic calculator will also be Zapped by the EMP.
>
> G3KEV
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vernon Matheson" <vmath@eastlink.ca>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:50 PM
> Subject: LF: RE: Survival
>
>
>> Do we have to build any bunkers to house the pedal communication system
> in?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:43
>> To: rsgb
>> Subject: LF: Survival
>>
>> For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
>> stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
>> proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and
>> operated by a human.
>> Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated
>> systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
>> ZAPPED!!!
>> In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore
> hard
>> to find and destroy.
>>
>> G3KEV
>>
>>
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I belive beacons serve a useful purpose on 136 and 500kHz, both in terms of
propagation
experiments and in the design of receiving equipment. If a certain station
in the north of
the country finds that they produce QRM, I suggest he pays attention to the
selectivity of
his receiving equipment.
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I belive beacons serve a useful purpose on 136 and 500kHz, both in terms of propagation<br>experiments and in the design of receiving equipment. If a certain station in the north of<br>the country finds that they produce QRM, I suggest he pays attention to the selectivity of<br>
his receiving equipment.<br>Laurie G3AQC <br>

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HiGary!

We are use an Argo-uploader from Rik Strobe.(Andy RN3AGC and me.)

He is working well w/o Argo. You need click OK when the programm=20
started.

I use Spectran with argo-uploader easy.

If you need more then one uploader rename the other copy argo-uploader.

That program easy like an axe and working well 100%. TNX to Rik.

73!

Roman

* Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> [Fri, 23 May 200

8 18:56:33 +0100]:
> Hi LF,
>
>
>
> What is the software for uploading screen shots to a grabber page of a
> website ?
>
>
>
> As I run a Softrock receiver 24/7 I will give it a try & set up a
> grabber.
>
>
>
> Any hints & tips will be appreciated from the experienced users.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
>
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
>
>
>

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This is diss information, you need to  preserve water and food

The official word is  'battery'

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvR7P9heH8&feature=related

G ..

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Sorry about the mistake but glad to know you are doing some research. 
> Maybe
> you already have the bicycle!!!!!! that would be a start.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:21 PM
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>
>
>> For stormyarcher , read sturmey-archer
>>
>> Just a little telegraphic distortion creeping in ?
>>
>> http://www.sturmey-archer.com/
>>
>> something a little closer to  home ?
>>
>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCdIe0wdvU
>>
>>
>>
>> G..
>>
>>
>>
>> > Do we have to build any bunkers to house the pedal communication system
>> > in?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
>> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:43
>> > To: rsgb
>> > Subject: LF: Survival
>> >
>> > For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with 
>> > a
>> > stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
>> > proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap
> and
>> > operated by a human.
>> > Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or
> associated
>> > systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
>> > ZAPPED!!!
>> > In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore
>> > hard
>> > to find and destroy.
>> >
>> > G3KEV
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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Mal,

 

You made your views public !! so any answers must be the same.

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

 

 

  _____  

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To avoid clogging up the reflector please call me on 500 khz using CW and
put forward your point of view. It will also be more private.

G3KEV

 

----- Original Message ----- 

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To: RSGB <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>  lf Group 

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Subject: LF: LF, e-mail, beacons etc.

 

G3KEV,

I thought you made your point on this some days ago, resulting in a clogging
up of this refelector with increasingly silly comments.

Chris, G4AYT.


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ze=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Sund=
ay, May 11,
2008 2:03 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font=
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F: LF, e-mail,
beacons etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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.0pt; font-family:Arial'>I thought you made your point on this some days ago=
,
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ts.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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Hello Marco,I think it was you together with wpf,

73
Victor=20
PA3FNY
JO22NC

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Scholz, Marco=20
Verzonden: zondag 11 mei 2008 8:05
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: AW: LF: XGJ,beacons


Good Morning Victor,
Please who was the 3rd? See only 2 attachments.
Thanks
Vy73
Marco
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----- Originalnachricht -----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
An: blacksheep <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Gesendet: Sun May 11 08:39:07 2008
Betreff: LF: XGJ,beacons

Poor conditions,still captured 3 stations,

73
Victor





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I can hear a stn calling CQ on 500 khz and pse qsl via EMAIL !!!!!!!!!!!!
The trend on 500 seems to be Beacon mode and reply via email or watch your
own signal on a Grabber !!!!!!
Real QSO'S on this band are very rare. Is this what was intended when
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>From my Telephony BT linesman days GPO dropwire No.3 and 6 rings a bell. No=20=
idea where to buy it save Peter http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/weixia=
osss/offer-detailUGzxTKrbFJMt/Sell-Telephone-Drop-Wire.html

 but it was pretty effective and strong too....I never had to deal with open=
 wire spans by the time of my apprecticeship but I think that was very simil=
ar physically.

>>> BT telephone drop wire seems to be very good material for antenna wire.
> Does anyone know where you can buy it?
>
> Regards
>
>
> Peter G3LDO
>
>
>

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Hello Marco,congratulations for this first steps in LF  transmissions.
 
Tonight,could you operate the beacon in  QRSS60 ?
Last night with QRSS30 speed it was too weak for a nice capture  but readable.
 
 
F4DTL in  JN18FP

RX : IC 7400
Ant: active loop LFL  1010



   

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<DIV>Hello Marco,congratulations for&nbsp;this first steps in LF=20
transmissions.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Tonight,could you operate&nbsp;the beacon in=20
QRSS60&nbsp;?</STRONG></DIV>
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>From my Telephony BT linesman days GPO dropwire No.3 and 6 rings a bell. No=20=
idea where to buy it save Peter http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/weixia=
osss/offer-detailUGzxTKrbFJMt/Sell-Telephone-Drop-Wire.html

 but it was pretty effective and strong too....I never had to deal with open=
 wire spans by the time of my apprecticeship but I think that was very simil=
ar physically.

>>> BT telephone drop wire seems to be very good material for antenna wire.
> Does anyone know where you can buy it?
>
> Regards
>
>
> Peter G3LDO
>
>
>

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Hello Marco and all.
 
F4DTL QRP beacon "DTL" start now until 2100 UTC 137.776 QRSS60.
10m vertical antenna (HF antenna modified without hat) and 150W 
 
All reports are welcome.
 
F4DTL in  JN18FP





   

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Has anyone a link to a circuit for modding the Bird 43 to  peak reading ? , 
nothing but 'kits' comming back on web serach , I did see a artical a while 
ago, but as of yet , not found it.

I dont need the full cct, I need to  know what the terminating impeadance 
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On Mon, 12 May 2008 15:45:44 -0000
"mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

> Beacons can be useful the odd time but some are left on continuously
> for days. One weekend there was a chorous of beacons and some
> remained on for over a week just generating qrm. GI3PDN, GI4DPE,
> GM4SLV, GW4HXO and a G3 in Norfolk, cannot remember his call. I
> cannot see the necessity for this when they are all capable of
> working a two way QSO on CW, then leaving the frequencies clear for
> others. I only work two way QSO mode and QSX on 3533/7033 khz for
> replies from those without a NOV for the band plus some EU dx. I get
> lots of emails from others about beacons and some even advocate
> contacting OFCOM to have them stopped because of the QRM caused. I
> have not encouraged this approach, hoping that it will go away
> eventually. I have a couple of large antennas for 500 and 137 khz and
> these pick up the weakest signals and although good in qso mode I get
> all the beacon qrm as well hi 73 for now and I hope you now see my
> point of view.


A 250Hz IF filter and a 10Hz AF filter.... what QRM? 



The EXPERIMENTAL RESEARCH band is not for "rubberstamp DX QSOs" ("ur RST
599 = pse QSL = QRU 73") or a "ragchewers paradise" ("ere
WX sunny = been to docs for lumbago = xyl say hows Marge and the dogs?")

It's for self-determined study into a hitherto unexplored area (to
amateurs and on the whole also to professionals) of the MF spectrum. 

Before you say "the old marine CW users know all there is to know" think
again - the professional users were generally only interested in
reasonably short range, reasonably strong signals, from reasonably
efficient antennas and using reasonably powerful transmitters, over
reasonably favourable groundplane conductivity. 

Very little could be done during the heyday of MF CW to
seriously investigate this region of spectrum, in terms of compromise
short antenna systems, weak signals and anomalous propagation -  due to
the high levels of occupancy and large signal levels. 

Certainly nothing was known at that time about DSP and clever digital
modulation/coding systems to achieve robust, low power, information
exchange. 

YES.... I know... "CW IS BEST".... but think... some of the new schemes
may actually be BETTER.... but until someone tests them we'll never
know..... CW might indeed be the one true mode, let others do their
datamode tests, and let's see.


Randomly convened 2-way CW QSOs may provide an insight into the
band, for the 2-stations concerned. It's a bit hit and miss though.


However others may want a more in depth, scientific view of things.

Long periods of transmission (I'm not going to call them beacons) allow
the collection of much more data, by many more people, than the odd
"I've got half an hour to spare, let's see what's on 500" way of
operating 

I have had many CW QSOs on 500 where some actual experimentation was
done in the course of the QSO but in generalI think most QSOs are
either local groundwave rag-chews or short (what's to be learned by
this?), or short rubber stamp "DX" QSOs - to get a new
call/country/distance in the log. 

Are you telling me that this style of operating is what was intended by
the issuing of Special Research Permits? 

Admittedly the research concerened may be to build/modify/adjust the
equipment, and the QSO is a means of proving a concept or validating a
modification etc...


The "beacon hell" period you refer to, where several stations had
continuous CW idents running, was for a specific and I think valid,
cause - to enlist the community of NDB listeners (experts in narrow
band, weak signal in high QRM, MF CW reception) over the Easter weekend
in attempting to receive amateur signals on 500kHz.

We all got very many reports - many more than could have been gathered
relying only on direct, in-band or cross-band QSOs.


The stations sending the transmissions learned much about the
performance of their equipment, and the band itself, and the listeners
probably gained new knowledge too.


I'm heartily tired of all this whinging about "beacons are spoiling
it".

Do you want to turn the radio on, call "CQ", have a QSO with a random
stranger?

Use 80/40/30/20m.



Do you want to study something specific, in depth? 

Then do some more structured operating. If this is pre-arranged regular
skeds with specific stations (the dreaded email...to arrange them,
to report on them beyond what is passed in the QSO... to discuss things
- eg  if it failed due to unsuitable conditions.....)


Or even generate a more general "beacon" (attended operation only of
course!!!) for a wider audience to study. Perhaps operate a grabber
for others use as a research tool...


These are more in line with the spirit and intention of the Special 
Research Permit than random QSOs.



Your narrow view of how others should operate on 500, repeated ad
nauseum on this list every time you get out of bed the wrong side, has
driven several experimenally minded people away already.... and now
it's done the same for me too.


I'm now QRT on 500 and I know you'll be happy at that. More proof that
the modern radio amateur is a technically challenged appliance
operator. You're wrong in that assumption - my operation on 500 has
been with homebrew gear and manual telegraphy only - but you're
welcome to your opinions (you certainly have plenty of them). 


For those that used my grabber for their investigations, or were happy
to study my "beacon" signals from this far flung corner of the UK - I
wish you every success on 500. 

Just make sure you play by Mal's rules.

Regards,

John Pumford-Green
GM4SLV



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Hi LF,

 

Just been going thro' my SpecLab captures which had mounted up, here is one
worth showing to the group from the 6th May 2008.

 

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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Hi all on LF !
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Hi all,
 
I personally cannot see what is wrong with a experiment in which  
transmissions are made in one mode and on a particular frequency and reports are  
received by way of another mechanism or method. Such an experimental method is  
certainly permitted under the terms of not only the general licence but also  under 
the terms of the NoV.
 
I can personally vouch for the acceptability of this by precedence having  in 
the past held a licence permitting precisely that arrangement for the purpose 
 of antenna experiments for commercial purposes. 
 
 
 
In the race  of life put a big bet on the nag named "Self-Interest" - He will 
always be in  there trying hard !

73 de Pat G4GVW

qth Near Felixstowe, East  coast of UK



   

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Thanks to all for the reports yesterday,F1AFJ and his  
grabber,DL2HRE,DD7PC,PA3FNY,F5WK,F4ERO and Hartmut.
 
Tests are stopped,strongs thunderstorms estimated in France for this  week 
end.
 
Best regards F4DTL Nicolas
 
 
 
 



   

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STILL NOTHING SEEN,
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Hi LF,

 

Grabber back on, had a failure with ftp uploading, web site rejected ftp
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All seems OK now.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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From: Reeves Paul <Paul.Reeves@uk.thalesgroup.com>
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And just why would only CW radios survive?? This is news - EMP will ONLY
take out SSB/FM/AM radios!!

As usual Mal lives in his own little world.

Paul     G8GJA

-----Original Message-----
From: mal [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net]
Sent: 05 May 2008 18:48
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: ZAP


A recent newspaper report indicates a certain country building up its
ability to ZAP all appliance communications systems ie Satellite and
Internet systems.
and do not forget SATNAV systems.
Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
national control.
That leaves the average radio amateur appliance operator out of the comms
business.
Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be the
only source of communications in the end.
Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF
skills should be encouraged.
Some might critize these observations but BEWARE
I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance
devices being unable to contact shore stations and only managed because some
senior  staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This
could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the 500
khz CW band and mothballed some costal stations, in fact some ships are
still equipped with MF/HF equipment as well as Sat systems.


G3KEV



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I was on a ship recently sailing mostly in UK waters and it is licenced and
equipped with HF CW/SSB equipment as well as the usual vhf/uhf and inmarsat
gear.
History often repeats itself and I expect it will come back into fashion
again as an essential service.
g3kev

----- Original Message -----
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> Interesting - LF Loran isnt that hard to knock out either - a certain
> exercise was done a few years ago and a sharpshooter with a .303 (that
dates
> it) took out the main feed line from over 1200 yards. Mock attacks on the
> old Decca chains in Norfolk/Suffolk were also interesting...
>
> Yep your right some foreign governments have maintained 500kHz onshore and
> offshore especially in AsiaPac.
>
> Laurence  KL1 X/7 Seattle
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
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> > Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
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GE Gary, LF!
All is OK, I just see your signal.
 
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
 
**************************************************
 
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 7:32 PM
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Subject: LF: 500 khz Testing 1W erp
 
Hi LF,
 
Currently testing on 503.600 KHz.
QRS 3 & CW ID 12wpm, 5 minute intervals.
 
Modified antenna at 12 mtrs, elevated inductance at 8 mtrs, 1W ERP Tx
power 225 watts DC input.
 
LF/MF antenna now back in service after broken winch cable replacement.
 
Reports welcome.
 
73,
 
Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
 

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All is OK, I just see yo=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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ma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message=
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owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or=
g] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gary - G4WGT<=
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 07, 2008=
 7:32
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> LF -RSGB LF Group<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: 500 khz Testing=20=
1W
erp</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Tim=
es New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></fon=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB; font-weight:bold'>Currently testing on 503.600 KHz.<o:p></o=
:p></span></font></b></p>

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rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB; font-weight:bold'>QRS 3 &amp; CW ID 12wpm, 5 minute interva=
ls.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB; font-weight:bold'>Modified antenna at 12 mtrs, elevated ind=
uctance at 8 mtrs,
1W ERP Tx power 225 watts DC input.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
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rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB; font-weight:bold'>LF/MF antenna now back in service after b=
roken winch cable
replacement.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
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rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB; font-weight:bold'>Reports welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
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rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
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face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;=
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Hello All,
RN3AGC beacon start 19.30 z ~137.777.6 qrss60.
Power ~100-150 W.
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Dear all,

as I tried to tune my 500 kHz antenna last right I noticed that it 
was detuned by about 1.5 kHz (from 503 tot 501.5) and that the 
antenna current was down to 1.8 A (from 2.1 A).
A first visual control of the antenna revealed no possible cause. So 
I started to check the coax cables and variometer, but all was OK there.
During a second visual control (it was already getting dark) I 
noticed that a small branch of one of the surrounding trees was 
cracked (probably during a thunderstorm the night before) and just 
one leaf was touching the antenna wire. By gently pulling the 
downlead wire of the antenna a few times the cracked branch moved a 
bit and the leaves were now about 20 cm from the antenna wire. Now 
the antenna was back to 503 kHz and the antenna current back to 2.1 A.

Of course I know that the antenna wire should not touch any greenery, 
but I was surprised of the rather large effect of just one (meanwhile 
dry) leave touching the antenna wire (that has 1mm plastic isolation).

The loss resistance of my antenna system now is 78 Ohm, including 10 
Ohm coil losses (with no touching leaves).
Few weeks ago I increased the height of the top wire from 9 m to 11 
m, what slightly increase the loss from 73 to 78 Ohm.
This is would bring the signal about 0.3 dB down, but is more than 
compensated by the increase of the radiation resistance (+1.7 dB)

During the first tests in February (with the 9m high antenna) I 
measured a loss of 55 Ohm, so the is a seasonal variation almost 20 
Ohm (or 1.2 dB).

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Thanks for the RTTY report Gary,

The QRN isn't too bad at all here today but the poor conditions are probably=
 why there's
so little activity.

I called CQ on 136 / 7 kHz this morning (CW and DFCW) and then later on 502=20=
kHz.
I managed to have a CW QSO with Mal but haven't heard any other stations apa=
rt from=20
G3UNT's  beacon at S9.

73 Chris G3XIZ


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Subject: LF: 500 KHz G3XIZ RTTY.

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Hi Chris, LF,
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Seeing your RTTY (no decode) & just
hearing your CW ID at a little after 1800utc.
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I have stoked up the gear so I will watch
the frequency, screen shot attached, your signal amongst the lightning crash=
es.
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73,
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Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.


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Thank you Victor!

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

> captured last night,
>
> 73
>
> Victor

-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
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Thank you Victor!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Victor van Kooten &lt;<a href="mailto:vvkooten@wanadoo.nl">vvkooten@wanadoo.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
captured last night,<br>
<br>
73<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Victor</font></blockquote></div>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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LF,

 

I would like to say a big thank you those who have took time to help me set
up the grabber via LF, UK500KHz & direct.

 

It seems to be working fine now.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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http://www.freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber/500kHz.htm

73 de Markus, DF6NM



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For stormyarcher , read sturmey-archer

Just a little telegraphic distortion creeping in ?

http://www.sturmey-archer.com/

something a little closer to  home ?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCdIe0wdvU



G..



> Do we have to build any bunkers to house the pedal communication system 
> in?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:43
> To: rsgb
> Subject: LF: Survival
>
> For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
> stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
> proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and
> operated by a human.
> Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated
> systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
> ZAPPED!!!
> In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore 
> hard
> to find and destroy.
>
> G3KEV
>
>
>


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Smoke signals are not secure too many onlookers.

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> Alberto di Bene wrote:
> > Every ham should be very proficient in smoke signaling.
> > That should be a main topic of the license examination <VBG>
>
> Yes! I would like to hear QUP2 more often on the bands.
>
> Johan SM6LKM
>
>
>
>
> --
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>



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DI2AT is transmitting Chirped Hell, PSK31, MSK31 and QPSK31 on 505.140kHz today and another 4 days.
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I am going to South England for holly days. 
DI2AT will continue in about 6 weeks.

73
Roland DI2AT/DL3ND

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Homepage des OV Uttenreuth (B31) <http://www.darc.de/distrikte/b/31/>






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Hi LF,

 

Currently testing on 503.600 KHz.

QRS 3 & CW ID 12wpm, 5 minute intervals.

 

Modified antenna at 12 mtrs, elevated inductance at 8 mtrs, 1W ERP Tx power
225 watts DC input.

 

LF/MF antenna now back in service after broken winch cable replacement.

 

Reports welcome.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Currently testing on 503.600 KH=
z.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>QRS 3 &amp; CW ID 12wpm, 5 minu=
te
intervals.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Modified antenna at 12 mtrs, el=
evated
inductance at 8 mtrs, 1W ERP Tx power 225 watts DC input.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>LF/MF antenna now back in servi=
ce after
broken winch cable replacement.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Reports welcome.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
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Test stopped,rain actually...
 
Thanx Markus for your grabber.
 
 
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... bright and clear now on the TA grabber panel in Nuernberg: 
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Hear you calling CQ on 502.95kHz at 2125z

Weak but readable, a Q4


73's

Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
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Quoting Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:

> Dear all,
>
> I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and
> once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
> Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest
> QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
> I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC,
> monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
>
> I am running 250 Watt (=3D 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m
> long T-antenna.
> Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the
> theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
> But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a
> good part of it.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
>
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
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hi warren,
nice capture xgj
o4:00 utc
rec:r&s ek891
antenne sloper 10 meter
henny pa3cpm
best 73s


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To avoid clogging up the reflector please call me on 500 khz using CW and pu=
t forward your point of view. It will also be more private.
G3KEV

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Subject: LF: LF, e-mail, beacons etc.


  G3KEV,
  I thought you made your point on this some days ago, resulting in a cloggi=
ng up of this refelector with increasingly silly comments.
  Chris, G4AYT.


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Graham wrote:
> Smoke signals..... I would think a slight problem would be finding something 
> that would burn or if you did , distinguishing it from everything else  that 
> was burning ?

That could be addressed with the use of a strong encryption code, which could also solve the problem of onlookers...
A sort of public key RSA, where you have the guarantee of the authenticity of the sender.
Or more simply, a set of smoke signals could be used as a preamble for the subsequent message... <vbg>

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Lbr Roland,

danke für den Hinweis. Aber im Grunde war ich froh, daß für Hörempfang
die 505 kHz so schön leer war. Erst später kam erst OK0EMW hinzu, wie
ich durch Auszählen der ersten Zeichenlängen feststellen konnte.

Nichts für ungut.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB

"Roland Bruestle" <r@mbsks.franken.de> schrieb:
> nur zu Info
> DI2AT ist wegen Urlaub abgeschalten.
> Wahrscheinlich geht es erst im Sptenber wieder weiter, da zu wenig 
> Rückmeldungen kamem (ca- eine / Monat)
> Gruß
> Roland DI2AT/ DL3NDR
> 
> hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de schrieb:
> > Dear Rik,
> >
> > tried to copy You by ear tonight but nil. 
> >
> > Even DI2AM cannot be heard before 20.00 UTC here in eastern Bavaria,
> > JN68GN.
> >
> > But I will listen the following evenings too.
> >
> > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
> >
> > "Rik Strobbe" <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> schrieb:
> >   
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and 
> >> once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
> >> Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest 
> >> QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
> >> I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC, 
> >> monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
> >>
> >> I am running 250 Watt (= 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m 
> >> long T-antenna.
> >> Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the 
> >> theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
> >> But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a 
> >> good part of it.
> >>
> >> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> >>
> >>
> >> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> 
> 
> 



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Hello Mal, G3KEV,
I don't have NOV for 500kHz but enjoy listening. Happy to discuss by e-mail=20=
direct.
I agree there is a problem with 'beacons'. Yesterdays long S9+ beacon signal=
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y close.
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent.

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Do we have to build any bunkers to house the pedal communication system in?

 

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Subject: LF: Survival

For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and
operated by a human.
Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated
systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
ZAPPED!!!
In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore hard
to find and destroy.

G3KEV



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Paul-Henrik,

thanks for the report.
I just worked G3LDO, Peter was 559 with some QSB.
Also heard G3ZWH calling xband earlier tonight.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> Hear you calling CQ on 502.95kHz at 2125z
>
> Weak but readable, a Q4
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> 73's
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> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
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>
> Quoting Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
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>> Dear all,
>>
>> I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and
>> once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
>> Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest
>> QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
>> I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC,
>> monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
>>
>> I am running 250 Watt (=3D 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m
>> long T-antenna.
>> Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the
>> theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
>> But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a
>> good part of it.
>>
>> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>>
>>
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Hello Marco,maybe if good weather tonight (not rain) i send a message  befor=
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I would try to increase my power, 100W to 150W.
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Hello  Nicolas,
Will you repeat tonight? If yes I will listen for  you.
Tnx
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Sorry for the late reply, Henny.

That does appear to be an N tranmsitted from this station
on 187.375 kHz. Congrats!

73
Joe

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> capture vo1na (n)?
> time 01:00utc
> henny cpm
> best 73s


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Gary
I use spectrum lab. It has a dedicated HTTP server, which is OK so long as y=
our IP address is not constantly on the move, you may note that I have set t=
he port to 8080 not 80 as per normal HTTP, thus this restricts access to the=
 page a little (I am not supposed to run full public access HTTP servers by=20=
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if not using this software, it can force a jpg to be saved to a folder, and=20=
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tware.. I haven't investigated this but that's what John SLV does.
Shout if you need any more detail on the way I do this
regards
mark

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
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  Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 6:56 PM
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  Hi LF,

  =20

  What is the software for uploading screen shots to a grabber page of a web=
site ?

  =20

  As I run a Softrock receiver 24/7 I will give it a try & set up a grabber.

  =20

  Any hints & tips will be appreciated from the experienced users.

  =20

  73,

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

  =20



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gary</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I use spectrum lab. It has a dedicated HTTP=
 server,=20
which is OK so long as your IP address is not constantly on the move, you ma=
y=20
note that I have set the port to 8080 not 80 as per normal HTTP, thus this=20
restricts access to the page a little (I am not supposed to run full public=20
access HTTP servers by my ISP rules.) I placed a link to the local grabber=20
server on my webpages.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if not using this software, it can force a=20=
jpg to=20
be saved to a folder, and this can be automatically ftp transferred to your=20=
web=20
server by a bit of software.. I haven't investigated this but that's what Jo=
hn=20
SLV does.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Shout if you need any more detail on the wa=
y I do=20
this</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mark</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
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Hello LF,

does someone in the group have information on the current status of the 
Russian Chayka chains (Loran-C equivalent on 100 kHz)?

The transmissions of the Western Chain (GRI 8000) seem to have gone off air 
on May 12. Could someone with an LF receiver in the region perhaps confirm 
the absence or presence of sideband lines at multiples of 6.25 Hz?

Wikipedia mentions up to five additional chains on GRI's 7950, 5980, 5960, 
4970, 5970. I have looked for their pulses here, but never managed to find 
any.

Any hints would be greatly appreciated.

73 de Markus, DF6NM



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Hi Henny,

  Thank you for the capture!

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ



2008/5/26 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:

>  *hi warren,*
> **
> *nice capture xgj  03:00utc*
> *henny pa3cpm*
> **
> *best 73s*
> **
> **
> **
>
> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
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>



-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
WE2XGR/1

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Hi Henny,<br><br>&nbsp; Thank you for the capture!<br><br>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/5/26 henny van elst &lt;<a href="mailto:cpm@planet.nl">cpm@planet.nl</a>&gt;:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






<div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">hi warren,</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></b>&nbsp;</div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">nice capture xgj&nbsp; 
03:00utc</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">henny pa3cpm</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></b>&nbsp;</div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">best 73s</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></b>&nbsp;</div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></b>&nbsp;</div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></b>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen 
worden verzonden:<br>xgj2605.jpg<br><br>Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma&#39;s 
staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde 
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als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.</div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Victor, Jean-Pierre,

Thanks for the reports. I was watching Jean-Pierre's grabber until 0200, 
and it was nice to see the signal.

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Sounds more like a wee weeing contest

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Hello  Nicolas (F4DTL),
rrr my Rx is on. Report  later.

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On Sun, 11 May 2008 13:20:26 -0000
"mal" wrote

>  The trend on 500 seems to be Beacon mode and reply
> via email or watch your own signal on a Grabber !!!!!!
> Real QSO'S on this band are very rare. Is this what was intended when
> permits were issued to experiment on 500?


If the data gathered, by the methodology chosen, is valuable to the
operator of the station concerned and aids them in their stated
experimental aims then YES!

Can you point out anywhere in the Special Research Permit a clause that
restricts stations only to real time, 2-way, manual, hand sent
telegraphy by on/off keying?

I can't. 

As long as the licence conditions relating to station identification,
power (remember there is an ERP limit... some stations seem to forget
that...) and mode of transmission are followed then operators are
perfectly entitled to radiate signals intended for reception by other
stations even if the return path for the "contact" is not by the same
method as that of the transmission itself. 

If information is gleaned which helps the operator of the experimental
station transmitting on 500kHz (or helps the remote receiving station
in their own research/experiment/self-training) then that's entirely
within the intention and spirit of the special permit.

I suspect every SRP holder has different stated purposes for their
research, and have been granted a permit by OFCOM to persue that aim.

It is not your place to decide whether their aims are valid or not, or
the techniques they choose to persue those aims.

OFCOM and the RSGB have granted the SRP, and it is up to the
individual operator to act in such a way as to gain maximum value from
any operation on the band.

J






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Hi Uwe, LF!

I copy you in QRSS-60 only.
Your signal at my location before sunrise as usual.

* Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru> [Sat, 3 May 2008 04:59:08 +0400]:
> Hello Uwe,
> Your qrss-id 0.51z.
> 73

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I always knew there was a reason for my many "Elmers" over the years  
encouraging me to tune for "maximum smoke"
 
 
 
 
In the race  of life put a big bet on the nag named "Self-Interest" - He will 
always be in  there trying hard !

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On 16 May 2008 at 7:08, Laurence KL1X wrote:

> ..........I never had to deal
>  with open wire spans by the time of my apprecticeship but I think
>  that was very similar physically.

There was some open wire around when I was a BT (Post Office) 
apprentice. It was solid copper wire. As I recall, dropwire (steel 
with a thin copper coating) had a limit to its usable length because 
it had a higher DC resistance than open wire. This resistance may not 
be high in relation to other losses on an LF Marconi, but it would 
rule out its use in a transmitting loop antenna.

Mike, G3XDV
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Hi all on LF !

I give the grabber on the way ,

http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm

73 qro J-P f1afj




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captured last night,

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Zitat von Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>:

> Hi Uwe!
>
> What antenna in use for TX?
> QRB to own side ~1790 km.
>
> Roman
>

Hi Roman agn,
pse see part 4 of

http://www.uwe-jannsen-dj8wx.de/TX%20equipment.htm

the aerial is good for 500kHz and 136kHz, only shorting the elevated coil if
used on 500kHz.

best regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv





> * uwe-jannsen@versanet.de [Sat,  3 May 2008 22:45:24 +0200]:
>> Zitat von Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>:
>>
>> > Hi Uwe, LF!
>> >
>> > I copy you in QRSS-60 only.
>> > Your signal at my location before sunrise as usual.
>> >
>> > * Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru> [Sat, 3 May 2008 04:59:08 +0400]:
>> >> Hello Uwe,
>> >> Your qrss-id 0.51z.
>> >> 73
>> >
>> > --
>> > Roman RW3ADB.
>> >
>>
>> Hi Roman and Andrey,
>> thanks for the captures. so qrss3 makes it.
>> radiated pwr is abt 300mW ERP.
>> vy 73
>> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
>> PS. this night ZAN.
>>
>>
>
> --
> Roman RW3ADB.
>
>





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Dear all,

I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and 
once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest 
QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC, 
monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.

I am running 250 Watt (= 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m 
long T-antenna.
Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the 
theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a 
good part of it.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Hi Ederhard,
Thanks for the report!
73
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Eberhard,
  Thank you for the report!
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ



2008/5/11 "Eberhard v.Wedelst=E4dt" <eberhardvonwedelstaedt@mvnet.de>:

> Hi all,
>
> 17:00..19:45  dd7pc       o/oo   137776.6
> 19:05..20:20  wpf            oo     qrss/dfcw
> 01:30..03:00   xgj             t       best 02:00
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> 73 Eberhard    jo53po
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Eberhard,<br>&nbsp; Thank you for the report!<br>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><=
br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2008/5/11 &quot;Eberhard v.Wedelst=E4d=
t&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eberhardvonwedelstaedt@mvnet.de">eberhardvonwe=
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 2=
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<br>
17:00..19:45 &nbsp;dd7pc &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; o/oo &nbsp; 137776.6<br>
19:05..20:20 &nbsp;wpf &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;oo &nbsp; &n=
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01:30..03:00 &nbsp; xgj &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; t &nbsp; &=
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<br>
73 Eberhard &nbsp; &nbsp;jo53po<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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GJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br>=20

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Marco im beaconing now in 776 QRSS60, good condition to Germany.
 
_http://www.alice-dsl.net/df6nm/grabber/Grabber.htm_ 
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Hi Gary can you re send the URL ??
Alan

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> LF,
>
>
>
> I would like to say a big thank you those who have took time to help me
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>
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>
> It seems to be working fine now.
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> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
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hi nicolas

capture f4dtl
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henny pa3cpm
best 73s


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Warren,

Try following this link, and then clicking on one of the "locomotive "
pages. There's an e-mail button on one of the pages.

Locomotives and ELF radio seem like strange bedfellows...;-)

http://www.da4e.nl/a4index.html

I also think that Dave Oxnard may have some responsibilty for the site. Try
sending mail to dave@da4e.nl.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Warren Ziegler
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  Subject: LF: Debeg 2800



  Hello the list,

     Anyone have information (schematic etc) on the Debeg 2800 RX?
  Alternatively does anyone know how to contact the proprietor of the DA4E
VLF web site:
  http://www.da4e.nl/elfspecial.html
  (The e-mail button does not work!)

  Thank you,

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D540372918-1=
3052008></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D540372918-130=
52008>Try=20
following this link, and then clicking on one of the "locomotive " pages.=20
There's an e-mail button on one of the pages. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D540372918-1=
3052008></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D540372918-1=
3052008>Locomotives and ELF radio seem like strange=20
bedfellows...;-)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D540372918-1=
3052008></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   size=3D2><SPAN cl=
ass=3D540372918-13052008></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><A   href=3D"http://www.da4=
e.nl/a4index.html">http://www.da4e.nl/a4index.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D540372918-13052008><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff><=
FONT   face=3DArial>I also think that Dave Oxnard may have some responsibilt=
y for the=20
site. Try&nbsp;<!--StartFragment --></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT   face=3D"Tim=
es New Roman" color=3D#000000 size=3D3><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff  =20=
size=3D2>sending mail to <A   href=3D"mailto:dave@da4e.nl">dave@da4e.nl</A>.=
</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D540372918-13052008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>73,=20
Dave G3WCB IO91RM</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTaho=
ma     size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Warren=20
  Ziegler<BR><B>Sent:</B> 13 May 2008 03:55<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: Debeg=20
  2800<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR>Hello the list,<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; Anyone ha=
ve=20
  information (schematic etc) on the Debeg 2800 RX?<BR>Alternatively does an=
yone=20
  know how to contact the proprietor of the DA4E VLF web site:<BR><A     hre=
f=3D"http://www.da4e.nl/elfspecial.html">http://www.da4e.nl/elfspecial.html<=
/A><BR>(The=20
  e-mail button does not work!)<BR><BR>Thank you,<BR clear=3Dall><BR>-- <BR>=
73=20
  Warren K2ORS<BR>WD2XGJ=20
<BR>WD2XSH/23<BR>WE2XEB/2<BR>WE2XGR/1<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Gary,

Rapido: (Freeware)
http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/rapido/rapido.htm

SnagIt: Very useful Swiss Army Knife for screen captures, but not free:
http://www.techsmith.com/screen-capture.asp

John Andrews, W1TAG

Gary - G4WGT wrote:

> *What is the software for uploading screen shots to a grabber page of a 
> website ?*


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many thanks to those who replied to my email regarding telephone drop wire.

The material I have is not copper coated steel wire - it looks like 
copper material all through.
The conductors are 1mm diameter and the black insulation is about 1.25mm 
thick. The pair of wires are 2.5mm apart. I have used it as twin feeder 
to an OCFD for the HF band to good effect.
G3JMG, in an article in RadCom March 1970 noted that BT had their own 
recipe for the conductors of drop wire: an addition of one per cent 
cadmium to the basic copper mix. This increased the tensile strength of 
hard drawn copper by 50% from 30 tons psi to 30 tons psi. This also 
increased the DC resistance by about 20%.

regards

Peter, G3LDO
> On 16 May 2008 at 7:08, Laurence KL1X wrote:
>
>   
>> ..........I never had to deal
>>  with open wire spans by the time of my apprecticeship but I think
>>  that was very similar physically.
>>     
>
> There was some open wire around when I was a BT (Post Office) 
> apprentice. It was solid copper wire. As I recall, dropwire (steel 
> with a thin copper coating) had a limit to its usable length because 
> it had a higher DC resistance than open wire. This resistance may not 
> be high in relation to other losses on an LF Marconi, but it would 
> rule out its use in a transmitting loop antenna.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> ==========
>
>
>
>
>   



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2008/5/19 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:

>  *hi john,*
> *capture xgj  04:30 utc*
> *henny pa3cpm*
> *best 73s*
>

Thanks for the capture!

-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
WE2XGR/1

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<br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/5/19 henny van elst &lt;<a href="mailto:cpm@planet.nl">cpm@planet.nl</a>&gt;:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






<div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">hi john,</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">capture xgj&nbsp; 04:30 
utc</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">henny pa3cpm</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">best 73s</font></b></div>
</div></blockquote><div><br>Thanks for the capture!<br><br></div></div>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Just heard weak signals from OR7T on 502,2 kHz in eastern Bavaria, QTH
JN68GN;
at 20.40 the end of a qso with ON4??, and

at 20.44 cq d3e OR7T

Paul-Hendrik, tnx for your explanations. I also feel that for the time
being 23.00 UTC will be the optimum time for EU dx. We both have the
same local summer time i guess.

Nw back to the reiceiver.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB

"Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
> 500kHz propagation from western europe sets in very late (early morning) here
> now, there is no complete nighttime darkness up here anymore so the D-layer
> gets very little rest. Midsummer is about a month away and it will be August
> before signals slowly start improving here again on MF.
> 
> DI2AM was weak too at the time I had the first copy of Rik.
> 
> 2200z is local midnight here and mid-path midnight will be almost one hour
> later.
> 
> So in fact 2125z was still "early" copy of Rik here. I expect signals would have
> improved vastly from that. This is a very typical behaviour for DI2AM signals
> during recent weeks.
> 
> The opposite situation:
> 
> In mid winter I could copy GM4SLV 24/7 on the Shetland - Vaasa path during some
> longer tests we ran.
> 
> 
> Will keep an ear on 502.95kHz during the weekend when/if I'm in the shack
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
> 
> 
> Quoting hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de:
> 
> > This is a pity. According to Rik's time table I did not listen after
> > 21.00z
> >
> > But during the summer season this seems to be necessary. No problem for
> > me, I am retired.
> >
> > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
> >
> >
> > "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
> > > Hear you calling CQ on 502.95kHz at 2125z
> > >
> > > Weak but readable, a Q4
> > >
> > >
> > > 73's
> > >
> > > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> > > Vaasa / KP03SD
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
> > >
> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and
> > > > once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
> > > > Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest
> > > > QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
> > > > I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC,
> > > > monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
> > > >
> > > > I am running 250 Watt (= 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m
> > > > long T-antenna.
> > > > Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the
> > > > theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
> > > > But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a
> > > > good part of it.
> > > >
> > > > 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
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Well, now that you ask - and this is true - a friend of mine's parents built
a bomb shelter back in the early 50s when Stalin was "about to push the
button." According to Bill his parents went first rate with heat, cooling,
refrigeration, light, ventilation, cooking - all electric, but of
course......

I do appreciate this list and check it regularly even though I am inactive
here.

Thank you es 73,

Doc

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Do we have to build any bunkers to house the pedal communication system in?

 

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For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and
operated by a human.
Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated
systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
ZAPPED!!!
In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore hard
to find and destroy.

G3KEV




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Mal,

If UK stations who hold an NoV wish to experiment or research in their own
way what is wrong with that?

If they are operating & experimenting within the terms of the amateur
licence & NoV then NO PROBLEM !!

Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
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Subject: LF: email qso

I can hear a stn calling CQ on 500 khz and pse qsl via EMAIL !!!!!!!!!!!!
The trend on 500 seems to be Beacon mode and reply via email or watch your
own signal on a Grabber !!!!!!
Real QSO'S on this band are very rare. Is this what was intended when
permits were issued to experiment on 500?
G3KEV




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Hi Andrey,
thanks for the screenshots on your 136kHz site. vy interesting conc the
propagation.
best regards
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hi warren

capture xgj  03:40z
henny pa3cpm
best 73s


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ok nicolas,

best 73s
henny pa3cpm
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Hello Henny
  DTL =3D F4DTL QRP beacon JN18FP

  73 de F4DTL Nicolas

  Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 19/05/2008 10:04:25 Paris, Madrid, cpm@planet.nl=20=
a =E9crit :
    capture dtl?  0:25utc
    henny pa3cpm
    best 73s




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<DIV><STRONG>ok nicolas,</STRONG></DIV>
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  <DIV><STRONG>DTL =3D F4DTL QRP beacon JN18FP</STRONG></DIV>
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Oh Dear, it goes on.....

Your little world is obviously CW oriented. That's all.
On the subject of qualifications - I'm not getting into this one. Apples and
Oranges.

Paul     G8GJA

  

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----- Original Message -----
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> And just why would only CW radios survive?? This is news - EMP will ONLY
> take out SSB/FM/AM radios!!
>
> As usual Mal lives in his own little world.
Bigger than you think. I worked my way around the world twice before I was
21 as a Wireless Officer and several times since.
I also experienced a H-bomb explosion on Christmas Island and have first
hand knowledge of EMP and associated effects.
No lessions please except you are better qualified than me.

G3KEV

>
> Paul     G8GJA
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be
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> Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF
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> Some might critize these observations but BEWARE
> I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance
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> senior  staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This
> could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the
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> G3KEV
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Victor, Willem,
  Thanks for the reports and captures!

WD2XGJ will be off the next few days.

73 WarrenK2ORS/WD2XGJ



On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
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> Again a good signal Warren,
>
> 73
> Victor




-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
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Victor, Willem,<br>&nbsp; Thanks for the reports and captures!<br><br>WD2XGJ will be off the next few days.<br><br>73 WarrenK2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Victor van Kooten &lt;<a href="mailto:vvkooten@wanadoo.nl">vvkooten@wanadoo.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Again a good signal Warren,<br>
<br>
73<br>
<font color="#888888">Victor</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Thanks Warren,

I will continue to listen,maby see some Russian stations also.

73
Victor

  -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
  Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Warren Ziegler
  Verzonden: maandag 12 mei 2008 15:16
  Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Onderwerp: Re: LF: 137


  Victor,

      Thank you for the report!
  XGJ was on for only 40 minutes last night.

  Condx are poor.

   XGJ may be off the next few days so I can work on improvements to the
ATU.

  Will post operating details to the list...

  -
  73 Warren K2ORS
  WD2XGJ
  WD2XSH/23
  WE2XEB/2
  WE2XGR/1



  On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

    Just traces of XGJ

    73
    Victor



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Interesting - LF Loran isnt that hard to knock out either - a certain 
exercise was done a few years ago and a sharpshooter with a .303 (that dates 
it) took out the main feed line from over 1200 yards. Mock attacks on the 
old Decca chains in Norfolk/Suffolk were also interesting...

Yep your right some foreign governments have maintained 500kHz onshore and 
offshore especially in AsiaPac.

Laurence  KL1 X/7 Seattle

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From: "mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
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> Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
> national control.
> >
> G3KEV
>
>
>
> 


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Ok Robert,

Intresting , suppose i could measure the movement , may be with a high 
series resistance as its onlt 30 uA  fsd , just need to  know the correct 
terminating load ,

Tnx - G ..


----- Original Message ----- 
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> No attachment!!  Sorry
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> http://www.hayseed.net/~jpk5lad/BIRD%20Slugs/birdslug1.htm
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> Robert
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Yesterday my wife Erica and myself had the pleasure of being host to 
Ralph Sutton, ZL2AOH.
Ralph is the the Finance and QSL Manager to the Quartz Hill radio club 
that has featured in many long distance LF propagation tests.
You can see more of this project by visiting

www.zl6qh.com.

Ralph and his wife Gwenda have been touring the UK since early May, 
visiting many friends and acquaintances. Today he commenced a weeks 
visit to France.

Now this is quite a punishing schedule for a young man but Ralph is 86 
years old! I will have to find out what his secret is.

Regards

Peter, G3LDO



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... bright and clear now on the TA grabber panel in Nuernberg: http://member=
s.aol.com/df6nm/Grabber.htm . Sensitivity was somewhat down last night, but=20=
back to normal after antenna rework.

73 and good luck de Markus, DF6NM

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: F4DTL@aol.com=20
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  Hello Marco and all.

  F4DTL QRP beacon "DTL" start now until 2100 UTC 137.776 QRSS60.
  10m vertical antenna (HF antenna modified without hat) and 150W=20

  All reports are welcome.

  F4DTL in JN18FP

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Yes 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Namens mal
Verzonden: Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:20 PM
Aan: rsgb
Onderwerp: [SPAM] LF: email qso

I can hear a stn calling CQ on 500 khz and pse qsl via EMAIL !!!!!!!!!!!!
The trend on 500 seems to be Beacon mode and reply via email or watch your
own signal on a Grabber !!!!!!
Real QSO'S on this band are very rare. Is this what was intended when
permits were issued to experiment on 500?
G3KEV




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Hmmm,

First, I might take some exception to the 'real radio amateurs  with CW
skills' but I'll let it pass.
What makes you think that everything else will be zapped? Simple precautions
will prevent damage and all my 'signal' inputs - antennas, audio, data,
mains are heavily protected (Filtering, MOVs, Gas discharge and, in some
cases, professional EMP protectors (or so the manufacturers assure
me.......). I am fairly confident of equipment survival - if it works for
the RN it will work for me. Maybe. And NONE of the main gear is classifiable
as 'appliance' except for the mobile tcvr (our far-eastern friends can build
things smaller than I can...). This is also, naturally, protected.
For power I have batteries for back-up and a fairly large solar array to
back them up.
It can certainly be argued that some of the data modes might make it through
under 'abnormal' ionospheric conditions when CW will not. Agreed that this
presupposes a degree of computer equipment being around - a PDA will
suffice.
As for CW being a 'quiet' mode - keyboards are also quiet and as for
foxhunts I thought the TXs were automated and could (if the rules allowed)
use (stored) voice equally well. VHF foxhunting uses voice after all.

regards,
Paul     G8GJA

-----Original Message-----
From: mal [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net]
Sent: 06 May 2008 13:36
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: ZAP


Because CW and the necessary equipment is the most direct approach, but you
have to be a real radio amateur with CW skills
Me and my world will still be going when all the appliance operators and
their digis have been Zapped.
CW is a quiet mode to operate, the only noise is a few clicks from the key
but SSB, AM etc are noisy modes and easily detected by passers by.
Voice modes are not used for radio fox hunting only CW for the same reasons.
G3KEV


----- Original Message -----
From: "Reeves Paul" <Paul.Reeves@uk.thalesgroup.com>
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> And just why would only CW radios survive?? This is news - EMP will ONLY
> take out SSB/FM/AM radios!!
>
> As usual Mal lives in his own little world.
>
> Paul     G8GJA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mal [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net]
> Sent: 05 May 2008 18:48
> To: rsgb
> Subject: LF: ZAP
>
>
> A recent newspaper report indicates a certain country building up its
> ability to ZAP all appliance communications systems ie Satellite and
> Internet systems.
> and do not forget SATNAV systems.
> Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
> national control.
> That leaves the average radio amateur appliance operator out of the comms
> business.
> Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be
the
> only source of communications in the end.
> Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF
> skills should be encouraged.
> Some might critize these observations but BEWARE
> I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance
> devices being unable to contact shore stations and only managed because
some
> senior  staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This
> could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the
500
> khz CW band and mothballed some costal stations, in fact some ships are
> still equipped with MF/HF equipment as well as Sat systems.
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> G3KEV
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nice capture xgj  03:00utc
henny pa3cpm

best 73s




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Thanks Dave,

Warren

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
wrote:

>  Warren,
>
> Try following this link, and then clicking on one of the "locomotive "
> pages. There's an e-mail button on one of the pages.
>
> Locomotives and ELF radio seem like strange bedfellows...;-)
>
> http://www.da4e.nl/a4index.html
>
> I also think that Dave Oxnard may have some responsibilty for the site.
> Try sending mail to dave@da4e.nl.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:
> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]*On Behalf Of *Warren Ziegler
> *Sent:* 13 May 2008 03:55
> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> *Subject:* LF: Debeg 2800
>
>
> Hello the list,
>
>    Anyone have information (schematic etc) on the Debeg 2800 RX?
> Alternatively does anyone know how to contact the proprietor of the DA4E
> VLF web site:
> http://www.da4e.nl/elfspecial.html
> (The e-mail button does not work!)
>
> Thank you,
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB/2
> WE2XGR/1
>
>


-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
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Thanks Dave,<br><br>Warren<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Dave G3WCB &lt;<a href="mailto:ganymede444@btopenworld.com">ganymede444@btopenworld.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">




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<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Warren,</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Try 
following this link, and then clicking on one of the &quot;locomotive &quot; pages. 
There&#39;s an e-mail button on one of the pages. </span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Locomotives and ELF radio seem like strange 
bedfellows...;-)</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><a href="http://www.da4e.nl/a4index.html" target="_blank">http://www.da4e.nl/a4index.html</a></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">I also think that Dave Oxnard may have some responsibilty for the 
site. Try&nbsp;</font></font></font><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">sending mail to <a href="mailto:dave@da4e.nl" target="_blank">dave@da4e.nl</a>.</font></font></span></div>

<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">73, 
Dave G3WCB IO91RM</font></span></div>
<blockquote>
  <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> 
  <a href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target="_blank">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> 
  [mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target="_blank">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Warren 
  Ziegler<br><b>Sent:</b> 13 May 2008 03:55<br><b>To:</b> 
  <a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target="_blank">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> LF: Debeg 
  2800<br><br></font></div><br>Hello the list,<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Anyone have 
  information (schematic etc) on the Debeg 2800 RX?<br>Alternatively does anyone 
  know how to contact the proprietor of the DA4E VLF web site:<br><a href="http://www.da4e.nl/elfspecial.html" target="_blank">http://www.da4e.nl/elfspecial.html</a><br>(The 
  e-mail button does not work!)<br><br>Thank you,<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 
  Warren K2ORS<br>WD2XGJ 
<br>WD2XSH/23<br>WE2XEB/2<br>WE2XGR/1<br><br></blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Hi Lubos, LF,

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Thanks for screen shot. Looks good.=20

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Txing for another hour or so.

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Gary =96 G4WGT.

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GE Gary, LF!

All is OK, I just see your signal.

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Hello Roland,
As usual very good copy of your beacon signal in all modes. Peak time
between 00:00-2:00am UTC.

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Rx: Yaesu FT-857, PA0DRT Miniwhip=20

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roland Bruestle
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Subject: Re: LF: DI2AT 505.145KHz with PSK31/PSK08

today DI2AT is transmitting PSK31 and PSK08 on 505.145kHz from 20:00 UTC
with 70W output about 1W ERP.
73
Roland DI2AT/DL3NDR




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Hi Mark, LF,

 

Seeing your QRSS signal here but with QSB.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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Greetings all,

Just to inform you that a new station is active on LF: Michael, DB6NT, 
located in JO50 not far away from the OK-border. Some may know him from 
his microwave activities.

I had a nice QSO with Michael in normal CW (from DK4U), when he was 
using a horizontal loop antenna with 400 meters perimeter (!) hanging in 
tree branches in a light forest nearby. Experimentation will show if 
that antenna will work better when used as a vertical antenna with a 
huge top-load. The problem may be the "green absorbers".

On Markus's directional spectrogram, DB6NT's signal is visible as a 
strong red line.
Some more LF activity (and possibly the 2nd station in his LF-log) would 
certainly be appreciated ;-)

Cheers,
  Wolf  DL4YHF .




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Dear Rik,

Also heard the end of your QSO with Chris at 21.44 UTC and your next cq
call
at 21.48 UTC and at 21.58 UTC (in a slight qsb period here).

At 22.06 UTC You called GM4ISM (your signal weak, still some qsb). But I
got that GM4ISM was also weak at your QTH.

Nothing else heard until 22.18, now send this email.

Quite an interesting evening.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB


"Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> schrieb:

> Dear Hajo,
> 
> thanks for the report.
> Just worked ON4KTJ, but even here he was only 339 over abt 70km distance.
> His QTH is Ath (abt 50km SW of Brussels).
> Maybe southcoast G's can copy him.
> 
> Anyway: my 14th station and 5th DXCC.
> 
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> 
> Quoting hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de:
> 
> > Just heard weak signals from OR7T on 502,2 kHz in eastern Bavaria, QTH
> > JN68GN;
> > at 20.40 the end of a qso with ON4??, and
> >
> > at 20.44 cq d3e OR7T
> >
> > Paul-Hendrik, tnx for your explanations. I also feel that for the time
> > being 23.00 UTC will be the optimum time for EU dx. We both have the
> > same local summer time i guess.
> >
> > Nw back to the reiceiver.
> >
> > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
> >
> > "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
> >> 500kHz propagation from western europe sets in very late (early   
> >> morning) here
> >> now, there is no complete nighttime darkness up here anymore so the D-layer
> >> gets very little rest. Midsummer is about a month away and it will be August
> >> before signals slowly start improving here again on MF.
> >>
> >> DI2AM was weak too at the time I had the first copy of Rik.
> >>
> >> 2200z is local midnight here and mid-path midnight will be almost one hour
> >> later.
> >>
> >> So in fact 2125z was still "early" copy of Rik here. I expect   
> >> signals would have
> >> improved vastly from that. This is a very typical behaviour for   
> >> DI2AM signals
> >> during recent weeks.
> >>
> >> The opposite situation:
> >>
> >> In mid winter I could copy GM4SLV 24/7 on the Shetland - Vaasa path  
> >>  during some
> >> longer tests we ran.
> >>
> >>
> >> Will keep an ear on 502.95kHz during the weekend when/if I'm in the shack
> >>
> >>
> >> 73
> >>
> >> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> >> Vaasa / KP03SD
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de:
> >>
> >> > This is a pity. According to Rik's time table I did not listen after
> >> > 21.00z
> >> >
> >> > But during the summer season this seems to be necessary. No problem for
> >> > me, I am retired.
> >> >
> >> > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
> >> > > Hear you calling CQ on 502.95kHz at 2125z
> >> > >
> >> > > Weak but readable, a Q4
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 73's
> >> > >
> >> > > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> >> > > Vaasa / KP03SD
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Quoting Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Dear all,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and
> >> > > > once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
> >> > > > Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest
> >> > > > QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
> >> > > > I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC,
> >> > > > monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I am running 250 Watt (= 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m
> >> > > > long T-antenna.
> >> > > > Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the
> >> > > > theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
> >> > > > But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a
> >> > > > good part of it.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
> 
> 
> 



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Zitat von Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>:

> Hi Uwe, LF!
>
> I copy you in QRSS-60 only.
> Your signal at my location before sunrise as usual.
>
> * Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru> [Sat, 3 May 2008 04:59:08 +0400]:
>> Hello Uwe,
>> Your qrss-id 0.51z.
>> 73
>
> --
> Roman RW3ADB.
>

Hi Roman and Andrey,
thanks for the captures. so qrss3 makes it.
radiated pwr is abt 300mW ERP.
vy 73
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
PS. this night ZAN.



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No bunkers just cycle around and work /M and this has been done before or
stop and hide behind a hedge, and the manual  says do either of two things,
1. Turn the bicycle upside down,  turn the pedal  with one hand to generate
the electricity and send CW with the other.
or
2. Sit on bicycle with back wheel raised off the ground on its parking
bracket and pedal in the normal way to generate electricity, manipulate
morse key.
This is a quiet operation either way and avoids detection also cost
effective.
Preferably use low consumption radio tubes to avoid knockout from EMP that
has meantime destroyed all the satellites and associated systems.
Operator qualifications:-
Ability to send and receive morse code, use a soldering iron, able to ride a
bicycle, mechanically/electrically handy. These are all the things a Radio
Amateur used to be able to do, but todays amateurs DOUBTFUL.
One other thing, learn to do calculations manually ie division,
multiplication, subtraction and some algebra would be useful because your
electronic calculator will also be Zapped by the EMP.

G3KEV

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> Do we have to build any bunkers to house the pedal communication system
in?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:43
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>
> For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
> stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
> proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and
> operated by a human.
> Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated
> systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
> ZAPPED!!!
> In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore
hard
> to find and destroy.
>
> G3KEV
>
>
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Hi Markus,  LF!

Looked RN3AGC signal on the Markus grabber!
Congratulations, Andy!

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500 Khz ... Bit out of band or may be the drive cord or something has slippe=
d ?

G ..=20
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  To avoid clogging up the reflector please call me on 500 khz using CW and=20=
put forward your point of view. It will also be more private.
  G3KEV

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    G3KEV,
    I thought you made your point on this some days ago, resulting in a clog=
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    Chris, G4AYT.


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>500 Khz ... </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2>Bit out=20
of band or may be the drive cord or something has slipped ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>G .. </FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">mal=
</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:02 PM<=
/DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: LF, e-mail, beacon=
s=20
  etc.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To avoid clogging up the reflector please=
 call me=20
  on 500 khz using CW and put forward your point of view. It will also be mo=
re=20
  private.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV       style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: b=
lack"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dc.ashby435@btinternet.com       href=3D"mailto:c.ashby435@bti=
nternet.com">Chris</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A       title=3Drsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org       href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">RSGB lf=20=
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:03=20
PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: LF, e-mail, beacons=20
    etc.</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>G3KEV,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I thought you made your point on this s=
ome days=20
    ago, resulting in a clogging up of this refelector with increasingly sil=
ly=20
    comments.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chris, G4AYT.</FONT></DIV>
    <P>
    <HR>

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Hello Henny
DTL =3D F4DTL QRP beacon JN18FP
=20
73 de F4DTL Nicolas


Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 19/05/2008 10:04:25 Paris, Madrid, cpm@planet.nl a=20=
=20
=E9crit :

capture dtl?   0:25utc
henny pa3cpm
best  73s


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I heard ON7T calling CQ at 2055Z,  RST 569.
Unfortunately I was not able to call him before he went QRT.

I shall be on the band tomorrow morning from about 0800Z

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Hello Victor and LF ,
Yes , return of XES ! good copy on my grabber last night
Grabber at : http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
73 qro J-P f1afj

Victor van Kooten a =E9crit :
> Captured this night,
>
> 73
> Victor
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Hello Marco,
Passage still has not opened.
My grabber http://www.cln.ru/~efremov/grabber .

73
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Smoke signals..... I would think a slight problem would be finding something 
that would burn or if you did , distinguishing it from everything else  that 
was burning ?


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> Graham wrote:
>> This is diss information, you need to  preserve water and food
>>
>> The official word is  'battery'
>>
>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvR7P9heH8&feature=related
>>
>> G ..
>
>  You don't need neither a bicycle nor a battery nor a key... use smoke 
> signals !
> Every ham should be very proficient in smoke signaling.
> That should be a main topic of the license examination <VBG>
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
>
>
>


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Do you mean the type with copper-clad steel wire inside?

In that case yes - it is very good. Lightweight and has good strength. Needs
replacement from time to time depending on air pollution levels as the coppe=
r
layer is fairly thin. When/if the steel core is exposed to the elements it w=
ill
break within a short time. Be careful when stripping off the plastic insulat=
ion
or leave it on if you can manage the extra weight for very long lifetime.

I use this kind of wire for antennas myself since I started this hobby 20 ye=
ars
ago and

In Finland it is hard to buy these days but scrap rolls can be had for almos=
t
free from the local telephone workshop. A bag of coffee-bread can do wonders=
 on
a Friday afternoon ;-)

Can you simly ask for scrap wire from a decommissioned line?


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ


Quoting Peter Dodd <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>:

> BT telephone drop wire seems to be very good material for antenna wire.
> Does anyone know where you can buy it?
>
> Regards
>
>
> Peter         G3LDO
>
>
>




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Hi Rik,

playing with your figures for current and resistance, one=C2=A0finds that th=
e=C2=A0poor little twig=C2=A0would have dissipated 91 watts. Makes me=C2=A0w=
orry whether=C2=A0it could=C2=A0have started a bushfire... During a fieldday=
 a couple of years ago, we ignited bits of dry grass on the LF antenna wire=20=
for demonstration, which=C2=A0did create=C2=A0some respect for RF voltage am=
ongst the bystanders.

73 and best of luck
Markus, DF6NM


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20
Von: Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Verschickt: Do., 29. Mai. 2008, 9:37
Thema: LF: antenna losses


Dear all,=C2=A0
=C2=A0
as I tried to tune my 500 kHz antenna last right I noticed that it was detun=
ed by about 1.5 kHz (from 503 tot 501.5) and that the antenna current was do=
wn to 1.8 A (from 2.1 A).=C2=A0
A first visual control of the antenna revealed no possible cause. So I start=
ed to check the coax cables and variometer, but all was OK there.=C2=A0
During a second visual control (it was already getting dark) I noticed that=20=
a small branch of one of the surrounding trees was cracked (probably during=20=
a thunderstorm the night before) and just one leaf was touching the antenna=20=
wire. By gently pulling the downlead wire of the antenna a few times the cra=
cked branch moved a bit and the leaves were now about 20 cm from the antenna=
 wire. Now the antenna was back to 503 kHz and the antenna current back to 2=
.1 A.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Of course I know that the antenna wire should not touch any greenery, but I=20=
was surprised of the rather large effect of just one (meanwhile dry) leave t=
ouching the antenna wire (that has 1mm plastic isolation).=C2=A0
=C2=A0
The loss resistance of my antenna system now is 78 Ohm, including 10 Ohm coi=
l losses (with no touching leaves).=C2=A0
Few weeks ago I increased the height of the top wire from 9 m to 11 m, what=20=
slightly increase the loss from 73 to 78 Ohm.=C2=A0
This is would bring the signal about 0.3 dB down, but is more than compensat=
ed by the increase of the radiation resistance (+1.7 dB)=C2=A0
=C2=A0
During the first tests in February (with the 9m high antenna) I measured a l=
oss of 55 Ohm, so the is a seasonal variation almost 20 Ohm (or 1.2 dB).=C2=
=A0
=C2=A0
73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=C2=A0
=C2=A0
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Hi Rik,<br>
<br>
playing with your figures for current and resistance, one&nbsp;finds that th=
e&nbsp;poor little twig&nbsp;would have dissipated 91 watts. Makes me&nbsp;w=
orry whether&nbsp;it could&nbsp;have started a bushfire... During a fieldday=
 a couple of years ago, we ignited bits of dry grass on the LF antenna wire=20=
for demonstration, which&nbsp;did create&nbsp;some respect for RF voltage am=
ongst the bystanders.<br>
<br>
73 and best of luck<br>
Markus, DF6NM<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- <br>
Von: Rik Strobbe &lt;rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;<br>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
Verschickt: Do., 29. Mai. 2008, 9:37<br>
Thema: LF: antenna losses<br>
<br>


<div id=3DAOLMsgPart_0_680fe0d6-10c7-4f43-9dee-8446a16431d1 style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 12px; MARGIN: 0px; COLOR: #000; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, San=
s-Serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff">Dear all,&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
as I tried to tune my 500 kHz antenna last right I noticed that it was detun=
ed by about 1.5 kHz (from 503 tot 501.5) and that the antenna current was do=
wn to 1.8 A (from 2.1 A).&nbsp;<br>
A first visual control of the antenna revealed no possible cause. So I start=
ed to check the coax cables and variometer, but all was OK there.&nbsp;<br>
During a second visual control (it was already getting dark) I noticed that=20=
a small branch of one of the surrounding trees was cracked (probably during=20=
a thunderstorm the night before) and just one leaf was touching the antenna=20=
wire. By gently pulling the downlead wire of the antenna a few times the cra=
cked branch moved a bit and the leaves were now about 20 cm from the antenna=
 wire. Now the antenna was back to 503 kHz and the antenna current back to 2=
.1 A.&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Of course I know that the antenna wire should not touch any greenery, but I=20=
was surprised of the rather large effect of just one (meanwhile dry) leave t=
ouching the antenna wire (that has 1mm plastic isolation).&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
The loss resistance of my antenna system now is 78 Ohm, including 10 Ohm coi=
l losses (with no touching leaves).&nbsp;<br>
Few weeks ago I increased the height of the top wire from 9 m to 11 m, what=20=
slightly increase the loss from 73 to 78 Ohm.&nbsp;<br>
This is would bring the signal about 0.3 dB down, but is more than compensat=
ed by the increase of the radiation resistance (+1.7 dB)&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
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What frequency ?

Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

> Hi Mark, LF,
>
>
>
> Seeing your QRSS signal here but with QSB.
>
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> 73,
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> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
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Hi Henny,

Yes, still QRV on 187.37475 kHz QRSS120 for 10 minutes on the hour.

73 and thanks for the reports, even if you are not copying it.

Joe

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> hi joe,
>
> are jou stil l transmitting joe,nothing seen here,i look 24 hours a day
>
> henny pa3cpm
> 73s


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Has anyone else noticed what is happening on LF/MF. Operate a beacon and get
a report via email.
This is NOT amateur radio.
The same old senario daily. Take away the internet appliance operator
facility and LF/MF would cease. Not the case on the other amateur
frequencies.
How can this possibly qualify as experimental TWO way radio
communications!!!!!!!!!!!
Licencing authorities WAKE UP !!
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Updated my website http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm with captures of 
G3XIZ, F4DTL, RN3AGC, UA4WPF and WD2XSH taken last night.

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Hartmut
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Hi Gary,

my grabber is based on a very useful commandline FTP utility called WCL_FTP,=
 by Ken Anderson. It is run by SpecLab's periodic actions.

Best regards,
Markus (DF6NM)

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20
  Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 7:56 PM
  Subject: LF: Upload software.


  Hi LF,

  =20

  What is the software for uploading screen shots to a grabber page of a web=
site ?

  =20

  As I run a Softrock receiver 24/7 I will give it a try & set up a grabber.

  =20

  Any hints & tips will be appreciated from the experienced users.

  =20

  73,

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

  =20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Gary,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>my grabber&nbsp;is based&nbsp;on&nbsp;a ver=
y useful=20
commandline FTP utility called WCL_FTP, by Ken Anderson. It is&nbsp;run=20
by&nbsp;SpecLab's periodic actions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Markus (DF6NM)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  G4WGT</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">LF -RSGB LF Group<=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 23, 2008 7:56 PM<=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Upload software.</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT=
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What is the=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN=
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As I run a=20
  Softrock receiver 24/7 I will give it a try &amp; set up a=20
  grabber.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Any hints &amp;=20
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Hello Nicolas good copy on my grabber ! qtf 295=B0
http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
73 J-P f1afj

F4DTL@aol.com a =E9crit :
> Marco im beaconing now in 776 QRSS60, good condition to Germany.
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Hi Uwe,

The screen grab was timed at 2025utc on 06/05/2008.

Gary - G4WGT.

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Hi Gary,
nisce pic. thanks. have you got the hour?
regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv


Zitat von Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

> Hi LF,
>
>
>
> Just been going thro' my SpecLab captures which had mounted up, here is
one
> worth showing to the group from the 6th May 2008.
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>
>
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> 73,
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> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
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>






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Hello Gary,

nice to see my signal on the grabber

> There is no auto refresh as yet until I find out how
> to do that so any viewers will have to manually refresh the page. The upload
> is set at 5 minute periods.
Just add the line

<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="60">

between <head> and </head> in the html code

> Please e-mail any comments, good, bad or otherwise so that I can carry out
> any changes and improvements for users benefit.
My penny worth:
On the website you are loosing a lot of resolution on the graber  
picture because the dimensions of the picture are 900 by 722, while it  
is squeezed to 694 by 557 on the website.
On http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/capt501-5.jpg all details are revealed.
I would prefer to see the picture in it's full glory on the site.

Thanks for making the grabber available to us.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

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Alberto di Bene wrote:
> Every ham should be very proficient in smoke signaling.
> That should be a main topic of the license examination <VBG>

Yes! I would like to hear QUP2 more often on the bands.

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Sorry about the mistake but glad to know you are doing some research. Maybe
you already have the bicycle!!!!!! that would be a start.

----- Original Message -----
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> For stormyarcher , read sturmey-archer
>
> Just a little telegraphic distortion creeping in ?
>
> http://www.sturmey-archer.com/
>
> something a little closer to  home ?
>
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCdIe0wdvU
>
>
>
> G..
>
>
>
> > Do we have to build any bunkers to house the pedal communication system
> > in?
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:43
> > To: rsgb
> > Subject: LF: Survival
> >
> > For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
> > stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
> > proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap
and
> > operated by a human.
> > Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or
associated
> > systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
> > ZAPPED!!!
> > In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore
> > hard
> > to find and destroy.
> >
> > G3KEV
> >
> >
> >
>
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hi all,

only noise and loran lines


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Marco , not all of these work all of the time hihi :-

http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/500-khz-grabbers



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scholz, Marco " <marco.scholz@citi.com>
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> Hello Gary,
> Nice to have back a working 500KHz Grabber. It works fine, thanks.
>
> vy73
> Marco
> DD7PC
>
>
> ----- Originalnachricht -----
> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
> <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Gesendet: Sun May 25 16:18:10 2008
> Betreff: LF: RE: Re: RE: G4WGT grabber
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> Hi Alan, LF,
>
> For you Alan & others who may have missed the G4WGT 500 KHz Grabber URL
> previously :-
>
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber.html
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Hi Gary can you re send the URL ??
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>


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Hi all,

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Victor, Eberhard,
   Thanks for the report and capture!


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Victor, Eberhard,<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks for the report and capture!<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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David,

   A new kit?

73 Warren K2ORS


On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 3:13 AM, <G0MRF@aol.com> wrote:

>  In a message dated 30/05/2008 19:26:26 GMT Standard Time,
> daveyxm@googlemail.com writes:
>
> Dear all
>
> It's that time again.. I need news for the next Radcom LF column. What have
> you been working/building/hearing on LF/MF?
> Please let me know to this address or g3yxm at wireless dot org dot uk
>
> 73
> Dave.
> --
> G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK
>
>  Hi Dave.
>
> Thanks for the text yesterday.
> Short answer is that I have 90% of the kit parts. Perhaps more.
> Importantly, I have a PCB all ferrites and the semiconductors.  I may be
> short of 1 capacitor in the low pass and a couple of resistors. Other than
> that, yes I have a kit.  -  Does he need the oscillator part or will he use
> an external DDS source with better calibration?
>
> Thanks
>
> David
>



-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
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David,<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; A new kit?<br><br>73 Warren K2ORS<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 3:13 AM,  &lt;<a href="mailto:G0MRF@aol.com">G0MRF@aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">




<div style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial;"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">
<div>
<div>In a message dated 30/05/2008 19:26:26 GMT Standard Time, 
<a href="mailto:daveyxm@googlemail.com" target="_blank">daveyxm@googlemail.com</a> writes:</div>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">Dear 
  all<br><br>It&#39;s that time again.. I need news for the next Radcom LF column. 
  What have you been working/building/hearing on LF/MF?<br>Please let me know to 
  this address or g3yxm at wireless dot org dot uk<br clear="all"><br>73<br>Dave.<br>-- <br>G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK 
</font></blockquote></div>
<div></div>
</div></div><div>Hi Dave.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks for the text yesterday.</div>
<div>Short answer is that I have 90% of the kit parts. Perhaps more.&nbsp;&nbsp; 
Importantly, I have a PCB all ferrites and the semiconductors.&nbsp; I may be 
short of 1 capacitor in the low pass and a couple of resistors. Other than that, 
yes I have a kit.&nbsp; -&nbsp; Does he need the oscillator part or will he use 
an external DDS source with better calibration?&nbsp;&nbsp; </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>David</div></font>   </div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Reeves Paul" <Paul.Reeves@uk.thalesgroup.com>
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> And just why would only CW radios survive?? This is news - EMP will ONLY
> take out SSB/FM/AM radios!!
>
> As usual Mal lives in his own little world.
Bigger than you think. I worked my way around the world twice before I was
21 as a Wireless Officer and several times since.
I also experienced a H-bomb explosion on Christmas Island and have first
hand knowledge of EMP and associated effects.
No lessions please except you are better qualified than me.

G3KEV

>
> Paul     G8GJA
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: mal [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net]
> Sent: 05 May 2008 18:48
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> A recent newspaper report indicates a certain country building up its
> ability to ZAP all appliance communications systems ie Satellite and
> Internet systems.
> and do not forget SATNAV systems.
> Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
> national control.
> That leaves the average radio amateur appliance operator out of the comms
> business.
> Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be
the
> only source of communications in the end.
> Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF
> skills should be encouraged.
> Some might critize these observations but BEWARE
> I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance
> devices being unable to contact shore stations and only managed because
some
> senior  staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This
> could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the
500
> khz CW band and mothballed some costal stations, in fact some ships are
> still equipped with MF/HF equipment as well as Sat systems.
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hi Nicolas.

some late, but cpy the rest of your transmission in JO51TQ.

73 Ed DL2HRE

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Bonsoir Jean-Pierre,
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Hello Victor, Eberhard, Jean-Pierre, LF,
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There is enough CW acty on 500 at present for a QSO plus xband working.
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Hi LF,

 

I recently wrote to LF regarding setting up a grabber.

 

Well the time has arrived, I would like 500 KHz operators to have a look at
my prototype grabber. There is no auto refresh as yet until I find out how
to do that so any viewers will have to manually refresh the page. The upload
is set at 5 minute periods.

 

Please e-mail any comments, good, bad or otherwise so that I can carry out
any changes and improvements for users benefit.

 

The grabber will operate 24/7 covering a frequency range from 501.000 KHz to
505.600 KHz.

 

There could be times that the grabber is disrupted due to whatever
operations I am conducting in the shack, such as transmitting on 500 KHZ
etc.

 

The "G4WGT 500 KHz Grabber" is at :-

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber.html

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Hi LF,<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>I recently wrote to LF regardin=
g setting up
a grabber.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Well the time has arrived, I wo=
uld like 500
KHz operators to have a look at my prototype grabber. There is no auto refre=
sh
as yet until I find out how to do that so any viewers will have to manually
refresh the page. The upload is set at 5 minute periods.<o:p></o:p></span></=
font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Please e-mail any comments, goo=
d, bad or
otherwise so that I can carry out any changes and improvements for users
benefit.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>The grabber will operate 24/7 c=
overing a
frequency range from 501.000 KHz to 505.600 KHz.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b=
></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>There could be times that the g=
rabber is disrupted
due to whatever operations I am conducting in the shack, such as transmittin=
g
on 500 KHZ etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>The &#8220;G4WGT 500 KHz Grabbe=
r&#8221; is
at :-<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgta=
ylor/grabber.html<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
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</strong><o:p></o:p></p>

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Hi Uwe!

What antenna in use for TX?
QRB to own side ~1790 km.

Roman


* uwe-jannsen@versanet.de [Sat,  3 May 2008 22:45:24 +0200]:
> Zitat von Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>:
>
> > Hi Uwe, LF!
> >
> > I copy you in QRSS-60 only.
> > Your signal at my location before sunrise as usual.
> >
> > * Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru> [Sat, 3 May 2008 04:59:08 +0400]:
> >> Hello Uwe,
> >> Your qrss-id 0.51z.
> >> 73
> >
> > --
> > Roman RW3ADB.
> >
>
> Hi Roman and Andrey,
> thanks for the captures. so qrss3 makes it.
> radiated pwr is abt 300mW ERP.
> vy 73
> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
> PS. this night ZAN.
>
>

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Graham wrote:
> This is diss information, you need to  preserve water and food
> 
> The official word is  'battery'
> 
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvR7P9heH8&feature=related
> 
> G ..

  You don't need neither a bicycle nor a battery nor a key... use smoke signals !
Every ham should be very proficient in smoke signaling.
That should be a main topic of the license examination <VBG>

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Hello Marcus,

the cracked branch "connected" my antenna to a repectable birch tree, =20
so I not quite sure wether the 91 Watt was entirely dissipated by the =20
leave.

And I think that I wouldn't be the first one to start a fire that way.

Anyway, I alway tune the antenna on low power (25 W) resulting in just =20
a few 100 mA antenna current. Only after that I switch to full power =20
(350 W) and as I noticed that the antenna current was low I only =20
transmitted for a few seconds.
Maybe the alternative solution would have been to give a long 350 W =20
carrier and just burn the leave.

At this moment it is rainy, so no transmitting tonight.

73, Rik  ON7YD

Quoting Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>:

> Hi Rik,
>
> playing with your figures for current and resistance, one=C2=A0finds that=20=
=20
>  the=C2=A0poor little twig=C2=A0would have dissipated 91 watts. Makes me=
=C2=A0worry =20
>  whether=C2=A0it could=C2=A0have started a bushfire... During a fieldday a=
  =20
> couple of years ago, we ignited bits of dry grass on the LF antenna  =20
> wire for demonstration, which=C2=A0did create=C2=A0some respect for RF vol=
tage =20
>  amongst the bystanders.
>
> 73 and best of luck
> Markus, DF6NM
>
>
> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
> Von: Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Verschickt: Do., 29. Mai. 2008, 9:37
> Thema: LF: antenna losses
>
>
> Dear all,=C2=A0
> =C2=A0
> as I tried to tune my 500 kHz antenna last right I noticed that it  =20
> was detuned by about 1.5 kHz (from 503 tot 501.5) and that the  =20
> antenna current was down to 1.8 A (from 2.1 A).=C2=A0
> A first visual control of the antenna revealed no possible cause. So =20
>  I started to check the coax cables and variometer, but all was OK  =20
> there.=C2=A0
> During a second visual control (it was already getting dark) I  =20
> noticed that a small branch of one of the surrounding trees was  =20
> cracked (probably during a thunderstorm the night before) and just  =20
> one leaf was touching the antenna wire. By gently pulling the  =20
> downlead wire of the antenna a few times the cracked branch moved a  =20
> bit and the leaves were now about 20 cm from the antenna wire. Now  =20
> the antenna was back to 503 kHz and the antenna current back to 2.1  =20
> A.=C2=A0
> =C2=A0
> Of course I know that the antenna wire should not touch any  =20
> greenery, but I was surprised of the rather large effect of just one =20
>  (meanwhile dry) leave touching the antenna wire (that has 1mm  =20
> plastic isolation).=C2=A0
> =C2=A0
> The loss resistance of my antenna system now is 78 Ohm, including 10 =20
>  Ohm coil losses (with no touching leaves).=C2=A0
> Few weeks ago I increased the height of the top wire from 9 m to 11  =20
> m, what slightly increase the loss from 73 to 78 Ohm.=C2=A0
> This is would bring the signal about 0.3 dB down, but is more than  =20
> compensated by the increase of the radiation resistance (+1.7 dB)=C2=A0
> =C2=A0
> During the first tests in February (with the 9m high antenna) I  =20
> measured a loss of 55 Ohm, so the is a seasonal variation almost 20  =20
> Ohm (or 1.2 dB).=C2=A0
> =C2=A0
> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=C2=A0
> =C2=A0
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Victor,

    Thank you for the report!
XGJ was on for only 40 minutes last night.

Condx are poor.

 XGJ may be off the next few days so I can work on improvements to the ATU.

Will post operating details to the list...

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> Just traces of XGJ
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Victor,<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thank you for the report!<br>XGJ was on for only 40 minutes last night.<br><br>Condx are poor.&nbsp; <br><br>&nbsp;XGJ may be off the next few days so I can work on improvements to the ATU.<br><br>Will post operating details to the list...<br>
<br>- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Victor van Kooten &lt;<a href="mailto:vvkooten@wanadoo.nl">vvkooten@wanadoo.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Just traces of XGJ<br>
<br>
73<br>
<font color="#888888">Victor</font></blockquote></div><br><br> 

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Hi Mark, LF,

 

Just been going thro' my SpecLab captures which had mounted up, here is one
worth showing to the group from the 6th May 2008.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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nothing seen joe,
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Thank you Henny for the capture!
Thanks to Jean-Pierre and Markus for the grabbers!

WD2XGJ off tonight - Thunderstorms!

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ



2008/5/31 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:

>  *hi warren,*
> *nice capture xgj*
> *o4:00 utc*
> *rec:r&s ek891*
> *antenne sloper 10 meter*
> *henny pa3cpm*
> *best 73s*
> **
>
> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
> verzonden:
> xgj3105.jpg
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> Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen
> het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe.
> Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe
> bijlagen worden afgehandeld.
>



-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
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Thank you Henny for the capture!<br>Thanks to Jean-Pierre and Markus for the grabbers!<br><br>WD2XGJ off tonight - Thunderstorms!<br><br>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/5/31 henny van elst &lt;<a href="mailto:cpm@planet.nl">cpm@planet.nl</a>&gt;:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">





<div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">hi warren,</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">nice capture xgj</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">o4:00 utc</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">rec:r&amp;s ek891</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">antenne sloper 10 
meter</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">henny pa3cpm</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">best 73s</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></b>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen 
worden verzonden:<br>xgj3105.jpg<br><br>Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma&#39;s 
staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde 
bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail 
als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.</div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Hi Chris, LF,

 

Seeing your RTTY (no decode) & just hearing your CW ID at a little after
1800utc.

 

I have stoked up the gear so I will watch the frequency, screen shot
attached, your signal amongst the lightning crashes.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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mp; just
hearing your CW ID at a little after 1800utc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>I have stoked up the gear so I=20=
will watch
the frequency, screen shot attached, your signal amongst the lightning crash=
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Hi all,

18:15..18:30    worming up DTL ? 
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Dear Rik, 

when I had been the wireless operator of DCUW in 1957 the sailors once
had set up a sunsail in a way that it touched the downlead of the ship's
T-aerial. It had not been possible to tune the aerial on MF using the
variometer of the MF transmitter! On HF, where the T-aerial has also
been employed, tuning was normal.

We all would regard a sunsail a "non-conducting" device, but for an
aerial with a typical impedance of about 50000 ohms the effect was
obvious.

HW?

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB


"Rik Strobbe" <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> schrieb:
> Dear all,
> 
> as I tried to tune my 500 kHz antenna last right I noticed that it 
> was detuned by about 1.5 kHz (from 503 tot 501.5) and that the 
> antenna current was down to 1.8 A (from 2.1 A).
> A first visual control of the antenna revealed no possible cause. So 
> I started to check the coax cables and variometer, but all was OK there.
> During a second visual control (it was already getting dark) I 
> noticed that a small branch of one of the surrounding trees was 
> cracked (probably during a thunderstorm the night before) and just 
> one leaf was touching the antenna wire. By gently pulling the 
> downlead wire of the antenna a few times the cracked branch moved a 
> bit and the leaves were now about 20 cm from the antenna wire. Now 
> the antenna was back to 503 kHz and the antenna current back to 2.1 A.
> 
> Of course I know that the antenna wire should not touch any greenery, 
> but I was surprised of the rather large effect of just one (meanwhile 
> dry) leave touching the antenna wire (that has 1mm plastic isolation).
> 
> The loss resistance of my antenna system now is 78 Ohm, including 10 
> Ohm coil losses (with no touching leaves).
> Few weeks ago I increased the height of the top wire from 9 m to 11 
> m, what slightly increase the loss from 73 to 78 Ohm.
> This is would bring the signal about 0.3 dB down, but is more than 
> compensated by the increase of the radiation resistance (+1.7 dB)
> 
> During the first tests in February (with the 9m high antenna) I 
> measured a loss of 55 Ohm, so the is a seasonal variation almost 20 
> Ohm (or 1.2 dB).
> 
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> 
> 
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Hello,
Sawing the signal report from Markus, DF6NM and checked my print screens
again.
YO in DFCW -> strong signal at 21:35 - 21:28, but only this 2 characters
copied (see attachment)=20
AGC -> i see a permant signal, but to weak to decode

vy73
Marco
DD7PC
JN49ax, RX: Yaesu FT-857, G0MRF 137KHz Preamp, PA0DRT MiniWhip

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Scholz, Marco
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Sent: 02 May 2008 10:34
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Subject: LF: Xgj 1./2.May

Hello,
saw 4 characters between 3:00-3:55am UTC - 2 of them can be identified
as "X G" (see attached picture).

vy73
Marco
DD7PC

mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de
http://dd7pc.qsl.nu

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Sorry, the sentence should have read


"This increased the tensile strength of hard drawn copper by 50% from 20 
tons psi to 30 tons psi"
> many thanks to those who replied to my email regarding telephone drop 
> wire.
>
> The material I have is not copper coated steel wire - it looks like 
> copper material all through.
> The conductors are 1mm diameter and the black insulation is about 
> 1.25mm thick. The pair of wires are 2.5mm apart. I have used it as 
> twin feeder to an OCFD for the HF band to good effect.
> G3JMG, in an article in RadCom March 1970 noted that BT had their own 
> recipe for the conductors of drop wire: an addition of one per cent 
> cadmium to the basic copper mix. This increased the tensile strength 
> of hard drawn copper by 50% from 30 tons psi to 30 tons psi. This also 
> increased the DC resistance by about 20%.
>
> regards
>
> Peter, G3LDO
>> On 16 May 2008 at 7:08, Laurence KL1X wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> ..........I never had to deal
>>>  with open wire spans by the time of my apprecticeship but I think
>>>  that was very similar physically.
>>>     
>>
>> There was some open wire around when I was a BT (Post Office) 
>> apprentice. It was solid copper wire. As I recall, dropwire (steel 
>> with a thin copper coating) had a limit to its usable length because 
>> it had a higher DC resistance than open wire. This resistance may not 
>> be high in relation to other losses on an LF Marconi, but it would 
>> rule out its use in a transmitting loop antenna.
>>
>> Mike, G3XDV
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>
>
>
>



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Warren,captured your signal at 3:00z

73

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Peter, LF,

I got mine as scrap from a telephone engineer many years ago.

I have used it as twin balanced feeder with a HF trap dipole & an inverted V
& worked very well. The drop wire I had only had one wire copper coated
(don't know why). It is strong & light & was told that it is about 72 ohms
as a balanced feeder.


Gary - G4WGT.

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Subject: LF: Antenna wire

BT telephone drop wire seems to be very good material for antenna wire.
Does anyone know where you can buy it?

Regards


Peter         G3LDO




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=20
Hello Victor,
=20
PA output 100 W (IRFP450 MOSFET)
Antenna 10m vertical without capacitive hat.
I dont know the real ERP but some =B5W sure.
=20
If good weather saturday evening and night,possible tests with 60m  vertical=
=20
wire pull up by helium balloon.QRSS60 beacon and QRSS3  for contacts.
=20
Best regards Victor and thanx for yur screen capture.
=20
F4DTL JN18FP
=20
Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 01/05/2008 10:40:22 Paris, Madrid, =20
vvkooten@wanadoo.nl a =E9crit :

Hello Nicolas,what is your  output,estimated erp??
=20
73
=20
Victor

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =20
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Hello, DTL =3D F4DTL QRP test beacon.
=20
F4DTL in  JN18FP










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<DIV>PA output 100 W (IRFP450 MOSFET)</DIV>
<DIV>Antenna 10m vertical without capacitive hat.</DIV>
<DIV>I dont know the real ERP but some =B5W sure.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>If good weather saturday evening and night,possible tests with=20=
60m=20
vertical wire pull up by helium balloon.</STRONG><STRONG>QRSS60 beacon and Q=
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for contacts.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Best regards Victor and thanx for yur screen capture.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>F4DTL JN18FP</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 01/05/2008 10:40:22 Paris, Madrid,=20
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Hi LF,

Thanks to John, Mark & Roman for the suggestions & tips. I will look at the
suggested software & make a choice of which to use.

I will notify the web address of the grabber if I am successful !!

73,
 
Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.




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ok joe,

best 73s

henny cpm.



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> Hi Henny,
> 
> Yes, still QRV on 187.37475 kHz QRSS120 for 10 minutes on the hour.
> 
> 73 and thanks for the reports, even if you are not copying it.
> 
> Joe
> 
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008, henny van elst wrote:
> 
>> hi joe,
>>
>> are jou stil l transmitting joe,nothing seen here,i look 24 hours a day
>>
>> henny pa3cpm
>> 73s
>


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Dear all,

a circuit diagram and brief description of my 500 kHz antenna bridge 
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Chris,

I guess you meant OR7T.
I am finnaly QRV again on 500.
If WX keeps dry I will CQ once in a while this evening, starting  
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73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>:

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BT telephone drop wire seems to be very good material for antenna wire.
Does anyone know where you can buy it?

Regards


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Hi all,

30.04.08/01.05.08:
18:30             137.777             W        oo
19:00..19:30   137.777        WPF        ooo
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02:00..04:30    137.779.8     XGJ         o/m

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Thanx dear Marco for yur screen capture.



Best regards and nice week end.

F4DTL Nicolas




Hello Nicolas,

good copy last night of your beacon in JN49.

=C2=A0

vy73

Marco

DD7PC

=C2=A0

Rx: Yaesu FT857, G0MRF Preamp and PA0DRT Miniwhip antenna





-----E-mail d'origine-----
De : Scholz, Marco <marco.scholz@citi.com>
A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Envoy=C3=A9 le : Vendredi, 9 Mai 2008 10:22
Sujet : LF: RE: F4DTL beacon DTL new test



Hello Nicolas,

good copy last night of your beacon in JN49.

=C2=A0

vy73

Marco

DD7PC

=C2=A0

Rx: Yaesu FT857, G0MRF Preamp and PA0DRT Miniwhip antenna


From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org] On Behalf Of F4DTL@aol.com
Sent: 08 May 2008 23:41
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: F4DTL beacon DTL new test





Special thanx to Victor PA3FNY, Eberhard, Jean-Pierre F1AFJ and Hartmut Wolf=
f for reports of last night.

=C2=A0

This evening new test with a=C2=A0modified Z transformer (THT TV core)=C2=
=A0and 130W QRSS60.

Always my small vertical antenna (10m without capacitive hat)

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Monitoring : http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm


=C2=A0

F4DTL in JN18FP





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<div>Thanx dear Marco for yur screen capture.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Best regards and nice week end.</div>


<div><STRONG>F4DTL Nicolas<br>
</STRONG><br>
</div>

<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid">

<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>Hello Nicolas,<=
/SPAN></div>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>good copy last=20=
night of your beacon in JN49.</SPAN></div>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008></SPAN>&nbsp;</=
div>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>vy73</SPAN></di=
v>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>Marco</SPAN></d=
iv>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>DD7PC</SPAN></d=
iv>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008></SPAN>&nbsp;</=
div>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>Rx: Yaesu FT857=
, G0MRF Preamp and PA0DRT Miniwhip antenna</SPAN></div>
<br>
</BLOCKQUOTE><br>
<br>
<br>
-----E-mail d'origine-----<br>
De : Scholz, Marco &lt;marco.scholz@citi.com&gt;<br>
A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
Envoy=C3=A9 le : Vendredi, 9 Mai 2008 10:22<br>
Sujet : LF: RE: F4DTL beacon DTL new test<br>
<br>


<div id=3DAOLMsgPart_3_afe56570-a3f8-4e0b-8e51-1bd2c4bff5f3>

<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>Hello Nicolas,<=
/SPAN></div>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>good copy last=20=
night of your beacon in JN49.</SPAN></div>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008></SPAN>&nbsp;</=
div>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>vy73</SPAN></di=
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<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>Marco</SPAN></d=
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<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>DD7PC</SPAN></d=
iv>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008></SPAN>&nbsp;</=
div>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>Rx: Yaesu FT857=
, G0MRF Preamp and PA0DRT Miniwhip antenna</SPAN></div>
<br>


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<B>Sent:</B> 08 May 2008 23:41<br>
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<div></div>
<FONT id=3Drole_document face=3DArial color=3D#000000>

<div>Special thanx to Victor PA3FNY, Eberhard, Jean-Pierre F1AFJ and Hartmut=
 Wolff for reports of last night.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div><STRONG>This evening new test with a&nbsp;modified Z transformer (THT T=
V core)&nbsp;and 130W QRSS60.</STRONG></div>


<div>Always my small vertical antenna (10m without capacitive hat)</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Monitoring : <A target=3D_blank __removedLink__1868118684__href=3D"http=
://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm">http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Gra=
bber.htm</A></div>


<div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div><FONT lang=3D1 face=3DArial><B>F4DTL in JN18FP<br>
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Thanx Dave,Hartmut,Marco,Victor and Eberhard for yur reports.
 
Test are stopped until the making of a new loading coil with  variometer.
 
F4DTL in JN18FP
 
 

LF, Nicolas,
 
F4DTL received last night in QRSS60 mode.  Antenna 1,2m tuned loop, RX ICOM 
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73, Dave G3WCB, IO91RM near Windsor, S.E  England



 
 







   

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* F4DTL@aol.com [Fri, 23 May 2008 13:14:28 EDT]:
> Thanks to all for the reports yesterday,F1AFJ and his
> grabber,DL2HRE,DD7PC,PA3FNY,F5WK,F4ERO and Hartmut.
>
> Tests are stopped,strongs thunderstorms estimated in France for this
> week
> end.

It's a pity, Nicolas(
We are waiting prop to Moscow side after 0200 Moscow LT, but your stop=20
transmission after 1900z.
Hope to see you in Moscou!


> Best regards F4DTL Nicolas
--
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Thanx to all friends for the reports last night,strong signal received by  
Hartmut.
 
New test with my LPF modified, the capacitors changed  due to increased 
temperature inside at 200W.
Marco DD7PC i hope to see yur signal next time.
 
Regards F4DTL JN18FP



   

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hi joe,
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Hi Gary,
nisce pic. thanks. have you got the hour?
regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv


Zitat von Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

> Hi LF,
>
>
>
> Just been going thro' my SpecLab captures which had mounted up, here is one
> worth showing to the group from the 6th May 2008.
>
>
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> 73,
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> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
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>
>





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Tell me a story before I go to bed !!!!!!!!!!!!
"BEACON HELL" thats what the author calls it. The trouble is I have
forgotton his name.
There is a loose connection with 500 khz CW and how to wipe out RADIO
AMATEURS trying to have a normal CW QSO. You must read it !!


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Dear Rik,

tried to copy You by ear tonight but nil. 

Even DI2AM cannot be heard before 20.00 UTC here in eastern Bavaria,
JN68GN.

But I will listen the following evenings too.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB

"Rik Strobbe" <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> schrieb:
> Dear all,
> 
> I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and 
> once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
> Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest 
> QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
> I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC, 
> monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
> 
> I am running 250 Watt (= 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m 
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> Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the 
> theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
> But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a 
> good part of it.
> 
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> 
> 
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For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and
operated by a human.
Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated
systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
ZAPPED!!!
In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore hard
to find and destroy.

G3KEV




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The same here,

73
Victor

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens "Eberhard
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Verzonden: zaterdag 10 mei 2008 6:47
Aan: rsgb-reflektor
Onderwerp: LF: 137 nil


hi all,

only noise and loran lines


73 Eberhard   jo53po





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On 06/05/2008 at 09:18 Dave Pick wrote:

>Back to mono!
>Down with digits!
>Hooray for caves!

But cave radio uses SSB (or sometimes sophisticated digital speech).

John F5VLF





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Hello the list,

   Anyone have information (schematic etc) on the Debeg 2800 RX?
Alternatively does anyone know how to contact the proprietor of the DA4E VLF
web site:
http://www.da4e.nl/elfspecial.html
(The e-mail button does not work!)

Thank you,

-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
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<br>Hello the list,<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Anyone have information (schematic etc) on the Debeg 2800 RX?<br>Alternatively does anyone know how to contact the proprietor of the DA4E VLF web site:<br><a href="http://www.da4e.nl/elfspecial.html">http://www.da4e.nl/elfspecial.html</a><br>
(The e-mail button does not work!)<br><br>Thank you,<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Hi John and LF,

the Sylt Loran-C transmitter apparently went off?air on?May 23rd, 12:00 UT.?I have seen no trace?of 7499-M since then, though the other stations?in this chain are still active.?Presumably?the?second rate?from Sylt (6731-Z) is also down but I haven't checked that.?I have?temporarily reconfigured?my monitor to sync on Lessay instead:

?http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/LoranView/LoranView_0805.htm

Kind regards
Markus, DF6NM



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?
Does anyone know for certain whether this is still functioning? I have had an enquiry about it, but here in Burgundy I would not expect to be able to confirm its presence without a specialised receiver.?
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John F5VLF?

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Hi John and LF,<br>
<br>
the Sylt Loran-C transmitter apparently went off&nbsp;air on&nbsp;May 23rd, 12:00 UT.&nbsp;I have seen no trace&nbsp;of 7499-M since then, though the other stations&nbsp;in this chain are still active.&nbsp;Presumably&nbsp;the&nbsp;second rate&nbsp;from Sylt (6731-Z) is also down but I haven't checked that.&nbsp;I have&nbsp;temporarily reconfigured&nbsp;my monitor to sync on Lessay instead:<br>
<br>
&nbsp;<A href="http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/LoranView/LoranView_0805.htm">http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/LoranView/LoranView_0805.htm</A><br>
<br>
Kind regards<br>
Markus, DF6NM<br>
<br>


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----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" &lt;<A href="mailto:john.rabson@wanadoo.fr">john.rabson@wanadoo.fr</A>&gt;&nbsp;<br>
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Does anyone know for certain whether this is still functioning? I have had an enquiry about it, but here in Burgundy I would not expect to be able to confirm its presence without a specialised receiver.&nbsp;<br>
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Hello Chris
Beacons can be useful the odd time but some are left on continuously for day=
s. One weekend there was a chorous of beacons and some remained on for over=20=
a week just generating qrm.
GI3PDN, GI4DPE, GM4SLV, GW4HXO and a G3 in Norfolk, cannot remember his call=
. I cannot see the necessity for this when they are all capable of working a=
 two way QSO on CW, then leaving the frequencies clear for others. I only wo=
rk two way QSO mode and QSX on 3533/7033 khz for replies from those without=20=
a NOV for the band plus some EU dx.
I get lots of emails from others about beacons and some even advocate contac=
ting OFCOM to have them stopped because of the QRM caused. I have not encour=
aged this approach, hoping that it will go away eventually.
I have a couple of large antennas for 500 and 137 khz and these pick up the=20=
weakest signals and although good in qso mode I get all the beacon qrm as we=
ll hi
73 for now and I hope you now see my point of view.
de Mal/G3KEV
=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:03 AM
  Subject: LF: Becons etc.


  Hello Mal, G3KEV,
  I don't have NOV for 500kHz but enjoy listening. Happy to discuss by e-mai=
l direct.
  I agree there is a problem with 'beacons'. Yesterdays long S9+ beacon sign=
al was a nuisance to me, but I guess this was because the source was relativ=
ely close.
  Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent.


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Chris</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Beacons can be useful the odd time but some=
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left on continuously for days. One weekend there was a chorous of beacons an=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>GI3PDN, GI4DPE, GM4SLV, GW4HXO and a G3 in=20=
Norfolk,=20
cannot remember his call. I cannot see the necessity for this when they are=20=
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replies from those without a NOV for the band plus some EU dx.</FONT></DIV>
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;beacons=20
and some even advocate contacting OFCOM to have them stopped because of the=20
QRM&nbsp;caused.&nbsp;I have not encouraged this approach, hoping that it wi=
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go away eventually.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have a couple of&nbsp;large antennas for=20=
500 and=20
137 khz and these pick up the&nbsp;weakest signals and although good in qso=20=
mode=20
I&nbsp;get all the beacon qrm as well hi</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 for now and I hope you now see my point=20=
of=20
view.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>de Mal/G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Becons etc.</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Mal, G3KEV,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't have NOV for 500kHz but enjoy lis=
tening.=20
  Happy to discuss by e-mail direct.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree there is a problem with 'beacons'=
.=20
  Yesterdays long S9+ beacon signal was a nuisance to me, but I guess this w=
as=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent.</FONT></D=
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Dear all,
I have just discoverd why my 500KHz grabber has been off line for a while..
My ISP has changed my IP address.. (they do not offer a static address, but 
it has been constant for years, only changes when MAC address is different, 
and always the same address for eack mac address)
So I have updated the link on my webpage access should now be OK again.
I suggest that the best way top access it is not to save the page in 
favorites I will keep the website updated.
www.dc2light.co.uk
I hope to be qrv later this weekend if wx permits.
Mark GM4ISM







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Victor,
  Thanks for the capture!
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ


On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 3:39 AM, Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

> Poor conditions,still captured 3 stations,
>
> 73
> Victor
>
>


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WD2XGJ
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Victor,<br>&nbsp; Thanks for the capture!<br>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 3:39 AM, Victor van Kooten &lt;<a href="mailto:vvkooten@wanadoo.nl">vvkooten@wanadoo.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Poor conditions,still captured 3 stations,<br>
<br>
73<br>
<font color="#888888">Victor<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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In a message dated 30/05/2008 19:26:26 GMT Standard Time,  
daveyxm@googlemail.com writes:

Dear  all

It's that time again.. I need news for the next Radcom LF column.  What have 
you been working/building/hearing on LF/MF?
Please let me know to  this address or g3yxm at wireless dot org dot uk

73
Dave.
-- 
G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK 


Hi Dave.
 
Thanks for the text yesterday.
Short answer is that I have 90% of the kit parts. Perhaps more.    
Importantly, I have a PCB all ferrites and the semiconductors.  I may be  short of 1 
capacitor in the low pass and a couple of resistors. Other than that,  yes I have 
a kit.  -  Does he need the oscillator part or will he use  an external DDS 
source with better calibration?   
 
Thanks
 
David



   

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daveyxm@googlemail.com writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px"><FONT    style=3D"=
BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Dear=20
  all<BR><BR>It's that time again.. I need news for the next Radcom LF colum=
n.=20
  What have you been working/building/hearing on LF/MF?<BR>Please let me kno=
w to=20
  this address or g3yxm at wireless dot org dot uk<BR    clear=3Dall><BR>73<=
BR>Dave.<BR>-- <BR>G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK=20
</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Hi Dave.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for the text yesterday.</DIV>
<DIV>Short answer is that I have 90% of the kit parts. Perhaps more.&nbsp;&n=
bsp;=20
Importantly, I have a PCB all ferrites and the semiconductors.&nbsp; I may b=
e=20
short of 1 capacitor in the low pass and a couple of resistors. Other than t=
hat,=20
yes I have a kit.&nbsp; -&nbsp; Does he need the oscillator part or will he=20=
use=20
an external DDS source with better calibration?&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>David</DIV></FONT>   </BODY></HTML>

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500kHz propagation from western europe sets in very late (early morning) her=
e
now, there is no complete nighttime darkness up here anymore so the D-layer
gets very little rest. Midsummer is about a month away and it will be August
before signals slowly start improving here again on MF.

DI2AM was weak too at the time I had the first copy of Rik.

2200z is local midnight here and mid-path midnight will be almost one hour
later.

So in fact 2125z was still "early" copy of Rik here. I expect signals would=20=
have
improved vastly from that. This is a very typical behaviour for DI2AM signal=
s
during recent weeks.

The opposite situation:

In mid winter I could copy GM4SLV 24/7 on the Shetland - Vaasa path during s=
ome
longer tests we ran.


Will keep an ear on 502.95kHz during the weekend when/if I'm in the shack


73

Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD


Quoting hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de:

> This is a pity. According to Rik's time table I did not listen after
> 21.00z
>
> But during the summer season this seems to be necessary. No problem for
> me, I am retired.
>
> 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
>
>
> "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
> > Hear you calling CQ on 502.95kHz at 2125z
> >
> > Weak but readable, a Q4
> >
> >
> > 73's
> >
> > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> > Vaasa / KP03SD
> >
> >
> > Quoting Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
> >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and
> > > once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
> > > Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest
> > > QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
> > > I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC,
> > > monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
> > >
> > > I am running 250 Watt (=3D 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25=
m
> > > long T-antenna.
> > > Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the
> > > theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
> > > But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a
> > > good part of it.
> > >
> > > 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> > >
> > >
> > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>




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Back to mono!
Down with digits!
Hooray for caves!

Dave ;-)


On 05/05/2008, mal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
> For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
> stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
> proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and
> operated by a human.
> Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated
> systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
> ZAPPED!!!
> In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore hard
> to find and destroy.
>
> G3KEV
>
>
>
>


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<div>Back to mono!</div>
<div>Down with digits!</div>
<div>Hooray for caves!</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Dave ;-)<br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 05/05/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">mal</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a<br>stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a<br>
proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and<br>operated by a human.<br>Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated<br>systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be<br>
ZAPPED!!!<br>In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore hard<br>to find and destroy.<br><br>G3KEV<br><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK 

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Hello,
saw 4 characters between 3:00-3:55am UTC - 2 of them can be identified
as "X G" (see attached picture).

vy73
Marco
DD7PC

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A child of the bomb , that explains everything ,

One of the symptoms

'psychic numbing'.... feelings of being entrapped in a world that seems 
counterfeit and in which they cannot trust others'

'Dont mean a thing'   if it dont go beep beep

qed

G

or was that toot toot ivor ?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
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Subject: LF: Re: RE: ZAP


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Reeves Paul" <Paul.Reeves@uk.thalesgroup.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:13 AM
> Subject: LF: RE: ZAP
>
>
>> And just why would only CW radios survive?? This is news - EMP will ONLY
>> take out SSB/FM/AM radios!!
>>
>> As usual Mal lives in his own little world.
> Bigger than you think. I worked my way around the world twice before I was
> 21 as a Wireless Officer and several times since.
> I also experienced a H-bomb explosion on Christmas Island and have first
> hand knowledge of EMP and associated effects.
> No lessions please except you are better qualified than me.
>
> G3KEV
>
>>
>> Paul     G8GJA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mal [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net]
>> Sent: 05 May 2008 18:48
>> To: rsgb
>> Subject: LF: ZAP
>>
>>
>> A recent newspaper report indicates a certain country building up its
>> ability to ZAP all appliance communications systems ie Satellite and
>> Internet systems.
>> and do not forget SATNAV systems.
>> Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
>> national control.
>> That leaves the average radio amateur appliance operator out of the comms
>> business.
>> Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be
> the
>> only source of communications in the end.
>> Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF
>> skills should be encouraged.
>> Some might critize these observations but BEWARE
>> I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance
>> devices being unable to contact shore stations and only managed because
> some
>> senior  staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This
>> could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the
> 500
>> khz CW band and mothballed some costal stations, in fact some ships are
>> still equipped with MF/HF equipment as well as Sat systems.
>>
>>
>> G3KEV
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Hi all on LF !
good copy of ua4wpf now !
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Hi LF!

Two grabbers in Moscow online as usual every evening as possible:

http://www.cln.ru/~efremov/grabber.html
Andrey upgrade his grabber up to two windows for different band-pass

www.qrss.nm.ru/grabber.html
My grabber with one window only. The sound card is not full-duplex-(

--
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This is a pity. According to Rik's time table I did not listen after
21.00z

But during the summer season this seems to be necessary. No problem for
me, I am retired.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB


"Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
> Hear you calling CQ on 502.95kHz at 2125z
> 
> Weak but readable, a Q4
> 
> 
> 73's
> 
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
> 
> 
> Quoting Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
> 
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and
> > once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
> > Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest
> > QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
> > I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC,
> > monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
> >
> > I am running 250 Watt (= 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m
> > long T-antenna.
> > Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the
> > theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
> > But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a
> > good part of it.
> >
> > 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> >
> >
> > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
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On Mon, 12 May 2008 18:57:28 -0000
"mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

> There is a loose connection with 500 khz CW and how to wipe out RADIO
> AMATEURS trying to have a normal CW QSO.

Normal amateur bands are the place for radio amateurs to have normal CW
QSOs.

500 is not a normal amateur band and you should expect operations to be
conducted in ways that may offend your narrow definition of how to
operate.



I'm now happy to inform you that I won't see any more of your
ridiculous trolling, posturing or snide denigration of well intentioned
experimental NoV holders.

I'm now withdrawing from the childish prattle you repeatedly stir up on
an otherwise helpful and intelligent mailing list.

John Pumford-Green 
GM4SLV


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On 12 May 2008 at 22:46, John Pumford-Green GM4SLV wrote:

> Normal amateur bands are the place for radio amateurs to have normal CW
> QSOs.
> 
> 500 is not a normal amateur band and you should expect operations to be
> conducted in ways that may offend your narrow definition of how to
> operate.
> 

Oh dear dear dear......

Personally, while getting very bored with these petty arguments, 
beacons do nothing for me at all and there are plenty of other 500kHz 
operators who like me DO like normal QSOs. Quite a lot of those were 
active in the early days (and also of 136kHz) who are never heard these 
days as they have got disillusioned. There is a place for both beacons 
and normal CW QSOs (and data modes as well) on both these bands and to 
say otherwise is total nonsense.

I was going to try and sort out the matching of my 500kHz vertical this 
week and get back on the band. I have now lost that enthusiasm, seeing 
as it appears there will be nobody for me to work anyway.

Sorry to see you go John, but really these sorts of arguments do little 
to help.

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com



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Dear LF,

quite a few signals appeared on the LF grabber last night:

XGJ  137779.8     02:29 -~04:40
YO   137777.6/.8  21:35 - 22:11
AGC  137777.6     19:45 - 21:20
DTL  137776.0     19:57 - 21:25
CFH  137000       00:08 - 01:09, 03:30 -~05:00
WX   136319.0     16:14 - 05:11

Best wishes

Markus,
DF6NM in JN59NK

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Marco,

   Thanks for the report and capture!

73 Warren K2ORS



On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:20 AM, Scholz, Marco <marco.scholz@citi.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
> Last night i copied DTL (F4DTL) between 22:10-23:05UTC and a partial
> copy this morning of XGJ between 1:50-3:00am UTC.
>
> vy73
> Marco
> DD7PC
> JN49ax
>
> mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de
> http://dd7pc.qsl.nu
>



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Marco,<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks for the report and capture!<br><br>73 Warren K2ORS<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:20 AM, Scholz, Marco &lt;<a href="mailto:marco.scholz@citi.com">marco.scholz@citi.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hello,<br>
Last night i copied DTL (F4DTL) between 22:10-23:05UTC and a partial<br>
copy this morning of XGJ between 1:50-3:00am UTC.<br>
<br>
vy73<br>
Marco<br>
DD7PC<br>
JN49ax<br>
<br>
mailto:<a href="mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de">dd7pc@gmx.de</a><br>
<a href="http://dd7pc.qsl.nu" target="_blank">http://dd7pc.qsl.nu</a><br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Hello John and all,

I am in perfect agreement with your remarks , the scientific step is=20
more rigorous with a beacon/grabber H24 than  the simple CW qso ! If you=20
ask me which is the propagation on 137kHz the 3 january 2008 with the=20
top of the Atlantic , it is just go to :       =20
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/2008/January/
John , PLEASE do not leave the 600m , it does not have there already=20
nobody any more on the 2200m because of all these quarrels of vicinity !!!!

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj  (faithful to the 2200m, which is not against=20
the 600m , quite to the contrary ! )

John Pumford-Green GM4SLV a =E9crit :
>
> A 250Hz IF filter and a 10Hz AF filter.... what QRM?=20
>
>
>
> The EXPERIMENTAL RESEARCH band is not for "rubberstamp DX QSOs" ("ur RST
> 599 =3D pse QSL =3D QRU 73") or a "ragchewers paradise" ("ere
> WX sunny =3D been to docs for lumbago =3D xyl say hows Marge and the dogs?=
")
>
> It's for self-determined study into a hitherto unexplored area (to
> amateurs and on the whole also to professionals) of the MF spectrum.=20
>
> Before you say "the old marine CW users know all there is to know" think
> again - the professional users were generally only interested in
> reasonably short range, reasonably strong signals, from reasonably
> efficient antennas and using reasonably powerful transmitters, over
> reasonably favourable groundplane conductivity.=20
>
> Very little could be done during the heyday of MF CW to
> seriously investigate this region of spectrum, in terms of compromise
> short antenna systems, weak signals and anomalous propagation -  due to
> the high levels of occupancy and large signal levels.=20
>
> Certainly nothing was known at that time about DSP and clever digital
> modulation/coding systems to achieve robust, low power, information
> exchange.=20
>
> YES.... I know... "CW IS BEST".... but think... some of the new schemes
> may actually be BETTER.... but until someone tests them we'll never
> know..... CW might indeed be the one true mode, let others do their
> datamode tests, and let's see.
>
>
> Randomly convened 2-way CW QSOs may provide an insight into the
> band, for the 2-stations concerned. It's a bit hit and miss though.
>
>
> However others may want a more in depth, scientific view of things.
>
> Long periods of transmission (I'm not going to call them beacons) allow
> the collection of much more data, by many more people, than the odd
> "I've got half an hour to spare, let's see what's on 500" way of
> operating=20
>
> I have had many CW QSOs on 500 where some actual experimentation was
> done in the course of the QSO but in generalI think most QSOs are
> either local groundwave rag-chews or short (what's to be learned by
> this?), or short rubber stamp "DX" QSOs - to get a new
> call/country/distance in the log.=20
>
> Are you telling me that this style of operating is what was intended by
> the issuing of Special Research Permits?=20
>
> Admittedly the research concerened may be to build/modify/adjust the
> equipment, and the QSO is a means of proving a concept or validating a
> modification etc...
>
>
> The "beacon hell" period you refer to, where several stations had
> continuous CW idents running, was for a specific and I think valid,
> cause - to enlist the community of NDB listeners (experts in narrow
> band, weak signal in high QRM, MF CW reception) over the Easter weekend
> in attempting to receive amateur signals on 500kHz.
>
> We all got very many reports - many more than could have been gathered
> relying only on direct, in-band or cross-band QSOs.
>
>
> The stations sending the transmissions learned much about the
> performance of their equipment, and the band itself, and the listeners
> probably gained new knowledge too.
>
>
> I'm heartily tired of all this whinging about "beacons are spoiling
> it".
>
> Do you want to turn the radio on, call "CQ", have a QSO with a random
> stranger?
>
> Use 80/40/30/20m.
>
>
>
> Do you want to study something specific, in depth?=20
>
> Then do some more structured operating. If this is pre-arranged regular
> skeds with specific stations (the dreaded email...to arrange them,
> to report on them beyond what is passed in the QSO... to discuss things
> - eg  if it failed due to unsuitable conditions.....)
>
>
> Or even generate a more general "beacon" (attended operation only of
> course!!!) for a wider audience to study. Perhaps operate a grabber
> for others use as a research tool...
>
>
> These are more in line with the spirit and intention of the Special=20
> Research Permit than random QSOs.
>
>
>
> Your narrow view of how others should operate on 500, repeated ad
> nauseum on this list every time you get out of bed the wrong side, has
> driven several experimenally minded people away already.... and now
> it's done the same for me too.
>
>
> I'm now QRT on 500 and I know you'll be happy at that. More proof that
> the modern radio amateur is a technically challenged appliance
> operator. You're wrong in that assumption - my operation on 500 has
> been with homebrew gear and manual telegraphy only - but you're
> welcome to your opinions (you certainly have plenty of them).=20
>
>
> For those that used my grabber for their investigations, or were happy
> to study my "beacon" signals from this far flung corner of the UK - I
> wish you every success on 500.=20
>
> Just make sure you play by Mal's rules.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Pumford-Green
> GM4SLV
>
>
>
>
>  =20

--=20
Website : http://jpmere.online.fr/


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Hi Peter.
I did not think we used cad/copper for drop wire, 40lb  open wire yes ,  I was with  GPO/BT  1963  - 2002,  and the  early  drop wire  was  stranded, rubberised insulation, later we went to solid and i thought we had stoped using cadmium by then. currnt drop wire is now 2 pair .

Regards.
Ken 
M0KHW

IO91TV
 

Peter Dodd <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk> wrote: many thanks to those who replied to my email regarding telephone drop wire.

The material I have is not copper coated steel wire - it looks like 
copper material all through.
The conductors are 1mm diameter and the black insulation is about 1.25mm 
thick. The pair of wires are 2.5mm apart. I have used it as twin feeder 
to an OCFD for the HF band to good effect.
G3JMG, in an article in RadCom March 1970 noted that BT had their own 
recipe for the conductors of drop wire: an addition of one per cent 
cadmium to the basic copper mix. This increased the tensile strength of 
hard drawn copper by 50% from 30 tons psi to 30 tons psi. This also 
increased the DC resistance by about 20%.

regards

Peter, G3LDO
> On 16 May 2008 at 7:08, Laurence KL1X wrote:
>
>   
>> ..........I never had to deal
>>  with open wire spans by the time of my apprecticeship but I think
>>  that was very similar physically.
>>     
>
> There was some open wire around when I was a BT (Post Office) 
> apprentice. It was solid copper wire. As I recall, dropwire (steel 
> with a thin copper coating) had a limit to its usable length because 
> it had a higher DC resistance than open wire. This resistance may not 
> be high in relation to other losses on an LF Marconi, but it would 
> rule out its use in a transmitting loop antenna.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> ==========
>
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Hi Peter.<br>I did not think we used cad/copper for drop wire, 40lb&nbsp; open wire yes ,&nbsp; I was with&nbsp; GPO/BT&nbsp; 1963&nbsp; - 2002,&nbsp; and the&nbsp; early&nbsp; drop wire&nbsp; was&nbsp; stranded, rubberised insulation, later we went to solid and i thought we had stoped using cadmium by then. currnt drop wire is now 2 pair .<br><br>Regards.<br>Ken <br>M0KHW<br><br>IO91TV<br>&nbsp;<br><br><b><i>Peter Dodd &lt;g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk&gt;</i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> many thanks to those who replied to my email regarding telephone drop wire.<br><br>The material I have is not copper coated steel wire - it looks like <br>copper material all through.<br>The conductors are 1mm diameter and the black insulation is about 1.25mm <br>thick. The pair of wires are 2.5mm apart. I have used it as twin feeder <br>to an OCFD for the HF band to good effect.<br>G3JMG, in an article
 in RadCom March 1970 noted that BT had their own <br>recipe for the conductors of drop wire: an addition of one per cent <br>cadmium to the basic copper mix. This increased the tensile strength of <br>hard drawn copper by 50% from 30 tons psi to 30 tons psi. This also <br>increased the DC resistance by about 20%.<br><br>regards<br><br>Peter, G3LDO<br>&gt; On 16 May 2008 at 7:08, Laurence KL1X wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;   <br>&gt;&gt; ..........I never had to deal<br>&gt;&gt;  with open wire spans by the time of my apprecticeship but I think<br>&gt;&gt;  that was very similar physically.<br>&gt;&gt;     <br>&gt;<br>&gt; There was some open wire around when I was a BT (Post Office) <br>&gt; apprentice. It was solid copper wire. As I recall, dropwire (steel <br>&gt; with a thin copper coating) had a limit to its usable length because <br>&gt; it had a higher DC resistance than open wire. This resistance may not <br>&gt; be high in relation to other losses on an LF Marconi, but it
 would <br>&gt; rule out its use in a transmitting loop antenna.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Mike, G3XDV<br>&gt; ==========<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;   <br><br><br></blockquote><br>

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Hello Nicolas,
yesterday (18:25-19:15 UTC) best copy of your signal so far - see
attached snapshot, clear copy of dtl.
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vy73
Marco
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    Hello Nicolas (F4DTL),
    rrr my Rx is on. Report later.
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A recent newspaper report indicates a certain country building up its
ability to ZAP all appliance communications systems ie Satellite and
Internet systems.
and do not forget SATNAV systems.
Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
national control.
That leaves the average radio amateur appliance operator out of the comms
business.
Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be the
only source of communications in the end.
Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF
skills should be encouraged.
Some might critize these observations but BEWARE
I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance
devices being unable to contact shore stations and only managed because some
senior  staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This
could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the 500
khz CW band and mothballed some costal stations, in fact some ships are
still equipped with MF/HF equipment as well as Sat systems.


G3KEV




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TNX Uwe!
I know your web-site and antenna for 500.
So very interested.
Your V directed to Russia side?)

73!
Roman

* uwe-jannsen@versanet.de [Sun,  4 May 2008 19:39:33 +0200]:
> Zitat von Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>:
>
> > Hi Uwe!
> >
> > What antenna in use for TX?
> > QRB to own side ~1790 km.
> >
> > Roman
> >
>
> Hi Roman agn,
> pse see part 4 of
>
> http://www.uwe-jannsen-dj8wx.de/TX%20equipment.htm
>
> the aerial is good for 500kHz and 136kHz, only shorting the elevated
> coil if
> used on 500kHz.
>
> best regards
> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
>
>
>
>
>
> > * uwe-jannsen@versanet.de [Sat,  3 May 2008 22:45:24 +0200]:
> >> Zitat von Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>:
> >>
> >> > Hi Uwe, LF!
> >> >
> >> > I copy you in QRSS-60 only.
> >> > Your signal at my location before sunrise as usual.
> >> >
> >> > * Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru> [Sat, 3 May 2008 04:59:08=20
+0400]:
> >> >> Hello Uwe,
> >> >> Your qrss-id 0.51z.
> >> >> 73
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Roman RW3ADB.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Hi Roman and Andrey,
> >> thanks for the captures. so qrss3 makes it.
> >> radiated pwr is abt 300mW ERP.
> >> vy 73
> >> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
> >> PS. this night ZAN.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Roman RW3ADB.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

--
Roman RW3ADB.

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Again a good signal Warren,

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Hi Marcus

Periodically off

Dmitry

Markus Vester wrote:

> Hello LF,
>
> does someone in the group have information on the current status of 
> the Russian Chayka chains (Loran-C equivalent on 100 kHz)?
>
> The transmissions of the Western Chain (GRI 8000) seem to have gone 
> off air on May 12. Could someone with an LF receiver in the region 
> perhaps confirm the absence or presence of sideband lines at multiples 
> of 6.25 Hz?
>
> Wikipedia mentions up to five additional chains on GRI's 7950, 5980, 
> 5960, 4970, 5970. I have looked for their pulses here, but never 
> managed to find any.
>
> Any hints would be greatly appreciated.
>
> 73 de Markus, DF6NM
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>
>



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hi nicolas
capture f4dtl
henny pa3cpm  jo22mb
best 73s


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Henny,

  Nice capture!
Tnx OM!


On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 8:32 AM, henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl> wrote:

>  *hi warren,*
> *capture xgj  04:00utc*
> *henny pa3cpm*
> *best 73s*
>



-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
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Henny,<br><br>&nbsp; Nice capture! <br>Tnx OM!<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 8:32 AM, henny van elst &lt;<a href="mailto:cpm@planet.nl">cpm@planet.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






<div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">hi warren,</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">capture xgj&nbsp; 
04:00utc</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">henny pa3cpm</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">best 
73s</font></b></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Captured last night,with homebrew receiver

73
Victor

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LF

I am transmitting a test signal on 136.9 kHz at present (1220 GMT)
using 5 wpm CW.
I'll listen for any callers between transmissions on this frequency and
on 136.5 kHz.

DK4U and F6BWO were good CW copy here in IO92UB
yesterday.

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Special thanx to Victor PA3FNY, Eberhard, Jean-Pierre F1AFJ and Hartmut  
Wolff for reports of last night.
 
This evening new test with a modified Z transformer (THT TV  core) and 130W 
QRSS60.
Always my small vertical antenna (10m without capacitive hat)
 
 
Monitoring : _http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm_ 
(http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm) 
 

F4DTL in  JN18FP





   

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Thanks Henny for the capture!

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ


2008/5/29 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:

>  *hi warren*
> **
> *capture xgj  03:40z*
> *henny pa3cpm*
> *best 73s*
> **
>
> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
> verzonden:
> xgj2905.jpg
>
> Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen
> het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe.
> Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe
> bijlagen worden afgehandeld.
>



-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
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Thanks Henny for the capture!<br><br>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/5/29 henny van elst &lt;<a href="mailto:cpm@planet.nl">cpm@planet.nl</a>&gt;:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






<div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">hi warren</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></b>&nbsp;</div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">capture xgj&nbsp; 
03:40z</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">henny pa3cpm</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">best 73s</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></b>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen 
worden verzonden:<br>xgj2905.jpg<br><br>Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma&#39;s 
staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde 
bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail 
als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.</div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Hello Henny and the LF group,

Unfortunately, the TX is off at the moment.  The aerial has become
coated in ice has broken.

73
Joe

On Wed, 14 May 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> hi joe,
> nothing seen today,
> best 73s
> henny cpm.


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Paul - forget it...there is no use trying to use logic with him.

Steve / VE7SL


>
> What makes you think that everything else will be zapped? Simple
precautions
> will prevent ....



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Date: 5/5/2008  From: Andy Bell - KU4XR - EM75xr

Hello LOWfer, LFers, Experimenters, and such.

I have a Longwave antenna question, and I would appreciate any input and suggestions.
I am collecting the parts to build a LOWfer xmtr for next Northern Hemisphere winter.
I have a decent portion of land, but no easy way to erect a vertical, and ground radials
would be a problem, so I have been thinking about a tuned xmit loop for 184KHz.
My question is; From your experience, ( or opinions ), which would perform better overall,
a loop mounted in a vertical position ( more difficult for me ) , or in the horizontal position,
which I could support with poles at about 20' height ( approx. 7 meters ) above ground.
If I understand correctly, a loop does not radiate off the sides, so if mounted horizontally,
there would be ( almost ) no upward, or downward radiation, but the loop should radiate 
at very low angles in an omnidirectional pattern, as a surface wave. But would any of this matter
at the low frequency and 15 meter size limit for the antenna ??

Question #2: is there any advantage to a triangle ( 3 sided ) over a 4 sided loop ?? 
Again, mounted vertically versus horizontally. 

Thanks for any information, I will appreciate it. If you wish to do so; send your reply
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Hi LF,

 

What is the software for uploading screen shots to a grabber page of a
website ?

 

As I run a Softrock receiver 24/7 I will give it a try & set up a grabber.

 

Any hints & tips will be appreciated from the experienced users.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>What is the software for upload=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>As I run a Softrock receiver 24=
/7 I will
give it a try &amp; set up a grabber.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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Nice to  here from the Steptoe of  MF radio  again, no doubt the TX is calle=
d Hercules as it produces copious quantities of 'plant food'=20

Last week is was bicycle repair man , the week before that it was a re-run D=
r Strangelove and now its a fine demonstration of  schizophrenia, where the=20=
'nice' half  compains about the other  'naughty half' who had endless fun tr=
ying to  disrupt digital tests by sending a senseless cw beacon ,=20

Apparently  Hercules was rock bound , a trip to  the knackers yard may be in=
 order , to  put the poor thing out of its misery=20

G ..=20


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3D10nHp7d0fTc&feature=3Drelated


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: G4gvw@aol.com=20
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  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 5:19 PM
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  Hi all,

  I personally cannot see what is wrong with a experiment in which transmiss=
ions are made in one mode and on a particular frequency and reports are rece=
ived by way of another mechanism or method. Such an experimental method is c=
ertainly permitted under the terms of not only the general licence but also=20=
under the terms of the NoV.

  I can personally vouch for the acceptability of this by precedence having=20=
in the past held a licence permitting precisely that arrangement for the pur=
pose of antenna experiments for commercial purposes.=20



  In the race of life put a big bet on the nag named "Self-Interest" - He wi=
ll always be in there trying hard !

  73 de Pat G4GVW

  qth Near Felixstowe, East coast of UK


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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>I can personally vouch for the acceptability of this by precedence ha=
ving=20
  in the past held a licence permitting precisely that arrangement for the=20
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Marco, Markus, Victor,

    Thank you for the reports and captures!
Thanks Markus for the grabber!

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ




On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Scholz, Marco <marco.scholz@citi.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> saw 4 characters between 3:00-3:55am UTC - 2 of them can be identified
> as "X G" (see attached picture).
>
> vy73
> Marco
> DD7PC
>
> mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de
> http://dd7pc.qsl.nu
>
>


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73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
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Marco, Markus, Victor,<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thank you for the reports and captures!<br>Thanks Markus for the grabber!<br><br>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Scholz, Marco &lt;<a href="mailto:marco.scholz@citi.com">marco.scholz@citi.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hello,<br>
saw 4 characters between 3:00-3:55am UTC - 2 of them can be identified<br>
as &quot;X G&quot; (see attached picture).<br>
<br>
vy73<br>
Marco<br>
DD7PC<br>
<br>
mailto:<a href="mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de">dd7pc@gmx.de</a><br>
<a href="http://dd7pc.qsl.nu" target="_blank">http://dd7pc.qsl.nu</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Thanks to Hartmut, Eberhard, and Victor for the reports and captures!

Thanks to Markus and Jean-Pierre for the grabbers.


WD2XGJ will be off tonight due to storms.


73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ




On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Hartmut Wolff <h-wolff@gmx.de> wrote:

> Hartmut Wolff wrote:
>
>> Updated my website http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm with captures of
>> G3XIZ, F4DTL, RN3AGC, UA4WPF and WD2XSH taken last night.
>>
>
> Ooops, I meant WD2XGJ and not WD2XSH!
>
>
>
> --
> 73
> Hartmut
> www.h-wolff.de
> Locator: JO52hp
>
>


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73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
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Thanks to Hartmut, Eberhard, and Victor for the reports and captures!<br><br>Thanks to Markus and Jean-Pierre for the grabbers.<br><br><br>WD2XGJ will be off tonight due to storms.<br><br><br>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><br>
<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Hartmut Wolff &lt;<a href="mailto:h-wolff@gmx.de">h-wolff@gmx.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">Hartmut Wolff wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Updated my website <a href="http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm" target="_blank">http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm</a> with captures of G3XIZ, F4DTL, RN3AGC, UA4WPF and WD2XSH taken last night.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Ooops, I meant WD2XGJ and not WD2XSH!<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
<br>
<br>
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Hartmut<br>
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Locator: JO52hp<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Hi Alan, LF,

For you Alan & others who may have missed the G4WGT 500 KHz Grabber URL
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Hi Gary can you re send the URL ??
Alan




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Hartmut Wolff wrote:
> Updated my website http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm with captures of 
> G3XIZ, F4DTL, RN3AGC, UA4WPF and WD2XSH taken last night.

Ooops, I meant WD2XGJ and not WD2XSH!


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          <TD width=3D"77%">Did you ever end up with or do you now have a de=
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            Bird slug?&nbsp; No, not the kind you have in your shotgun but t=
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            kind which fits inside the Bird Wattmeter series which makes the=
m so=20
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          <TD width=3D"100%" colSpan=3D2>down here to the hamfest.") &nbsp;&=
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to=20
            test them before paying the money and I'll be glad to share that=
=20
            info later.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
      <P>In addition, I was always curious as to what was on the insides of=20
      those little beasts. &nbsp; After all, what could be inside to make th=
at=20
      little thing worth so much money?&nbsp; Since mine was dead, and I had=
=20
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=20
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          <TD width=3D"76%">I did not take this project lightly.&nbsp; I spe=
nt=20
            long hours searching the Internet but was never able to find any=
=20
            information on the slugs themselves, either pictures or text, to=
=20
            describe what the folks in Cleveland placed inside those little=20=
gold=20
            cylinders.&nbsp; I hope this article can save someone else some=20
            search time if they attempt the same endeavor.</TD></TR></TBODY>=
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      <P>First, to test a Bird slug (assuming that you are going to a hamfes=
t),=20
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f=20
      the seller (assuming you are also buying at a hamfest) will allow you=20=
to=20
      test it, place the VOM on a higher resistance scale (I used the 20K sc=
ale=20
      on the little yellow $9 marvel I had).&nbsp; Hold the slug in one hand=
 and=20
      place one probe on the round shell of the slug while carefully touchin=
g=20
      one of the small connection which is exposed on one side. &nbsp; Then=20
      reverse the VOM leads.&nbsp; Test it just like you would test a diode=20=
--=20
      you want continuity in one direction and an open connection the other=20
      way.&nbsp;&nbsp; Then test the connection on the other side of the slu=
g=20
      the same way, expecting the same results.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you find=20
      continuity, or a very low resistance, from the shell to a connection i=
n=20
      both directions, something is shorted in the slug.&nbsp; If you find n=
o=20
      continuity in either direction, something is open in the slug.&nbsp;=20
      Either way will cause it not to work. &nbsp; On the one I had, I had n=
o=20
      continuity.</P>
      <P>Over a period of months I would pick that slug up and try to twist,=
=20
      poke, pull and generally try to see how to get inside it to see if=20
      anything was <EM>obviously</EM> gone.&nbsp; It resisted my every=20
      attempt.&nbsp; My wife would have said, "throw it away... it isn't any=
=20
      good.&nbsp; Just forget the money that you wasted on it..........It's=20
      gone!"</P>
      <P>I don't think so.&nbsp; 'Course I really didn't tell her that I bou=
ght=20
      a dud so she didn't actually say that.&nbsp;&nbsp; Finally, over a yea=
r=20
      past the original purchase, I decided to take drastic steps.&nbsp; Aft=
er=20
      all, it's dead anyway ---- what can I hurt?</P>
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          <TD width=3D"77%">Carefully examining the dead slug revealed that=20
            someone had used some type of grinding tool on the face of the s=
lug=20
            on two sides.&nbsp; (I know, I know, I should have seen that=20
            sooner......and especially before I bought it.....)&nbsp; The tw=
o=20
            round grinding spots were within the arrow which seems to be on=20=
all=20
            Bird slugs showing which direction it is to be turned. &nbsp;&nb=
sp;=20
            One was directly within the arrow head and the other at the=20
            opposite, tail side of the arrow.&nbsp; </TD></TR></TBODY></TABL=
E>
      <P>With my Dremel tool and several different bits and stones, I was ab=
le=20
      to grind down past the aluminum disk which is the label, and pop the l=
abel=20
      disk off.&nbsp; I regret that when this activity took place, I did not=
 own=20
      a digital camera so I have no actual pictures of the following=20
      steps.&nbsp; Even though I now have a camera, I cannot bring myself to=
=20
      re-enter the slug, just to get pictures.&nbsp; I will attempt to be, i=
n=20
      words, as descriptive as a camera would have been in pictures.</P>
      <P>Once the label disk was off, it revealed a cavity in the center wit=
h a=20
      single screw which was covered with a sealer to show whether it had be=
en=20
      "messed with." &nbsp; Again, nothing to lose so I unscrewed that screw=
=20
      which released the larger circular part of the slug.&nbsp; This is the=
=20
      widest part of the slug&nbsp; which has the grooves and is gripped to=20
      rotate the slug in the wattmeter housing.</P>
      <P>Once the finger piece was off, I could see a 1/2 watt resistor with=
 a=20
      piece of spaghetti over one lead. &nbsp; It was soldered on one side t=
o a=20
      small terminal which was one of the two connection pieces which are al=
ways=20
      visible on the side.&nbsp;&nbsp; The other lead of the resistor connec=
ted=20
      to another terminal and on to the top of a diode coming through the=20
      remaining part of the slug.</P>
      <P>Two more screws were also revealed and once they were removed, the=20
      white nylon cover which shielded the primary RF detection pieces was=20
      removable.&nbsp; This round white piece of nylon is the piece which yo=
u=20
      see on the lower section of all Bird slugs.&nbsp; The slug I had was a=
 50C=20
      which was calibrated for 50 watts in the range of 100-250 MHz.</P>
      <P>The RF detection parts were a 1 1/2 turn coil of about #18 silver=20
      plated wire connected to the diode on one end and a flat feed-thru=20
      capacitor on the other.&nbsp; The white nylon cover was actually a=20
      machined-out piece with room to go around the coil and feed-thru. &nbs=
p; I=20
      had originally thought it to be just an inverted bowl-type cover but i=
t is=20
      much more rugged than that.</P>
      <P>I did not bother the coil or other parts inside the slug once I=20
      realized that my problem was an open resistor.&nbsp; This resistor was=
=20
      marked 14K 1% and had, no doubt, gotten too hot from excessive power s=
o it=20
      opened up.&nbsp; As Fortune had smiled upon me, I had an exact replace=
ment=20
      resistor which helped to speed the repair.&nbsp;&nbsp; I carefully ben=
t=20
      the leads on the replacement resistor to look exactly like the one it=20=
was=20
      replacing.&nbsp; The defective resistor was easily and quickly removed=
 and=20
      the replacement fit back perfectly.&nbsp; I tried to use the least amo=
unt=20
      of heat on the connections so as not to risk changing the value of the=
=20
      resistor.</P>
      <P>Putting things back together, everything fit fine and there were no=
=20
      left-over pieces (unlike some of my previous projects).&nbsp; The slug=
 was=20
      tried and worked as it was supposed to.&nbsp; At least, it read upscal=
e=20
      when power was applied through the wattmeter connectors.</P>
      <P>Bird slugs are expensive because they are manufactured to close=20
      tolerances and I imagine it takes quite a bit of time (Time =3D $$$$)=20=
to=20
      assure the accuracy to which users have come to expect of Bird=20
      products.&nbsp; My repaired slug certainly did read something but ther=
e=20
      was no assurance that it would anywhere near the accuracy that was=20
      demanded of that unit.&nbsp; I compared the repaired slug to another I=
 had=20
      which covered the same range and they read to same values.&nbsp; <EM>Y=
es,=20
      since that one had been defective and I still needed that value, I had=
=20
      purchased another.</EM>&nbsp; The repaired slug read the same as the=20
      untouched, other one which had become its replacement.&nbsp; Lucky? &n=
bsp;=20
      Probably.&nbsp; Happy?&nbsp; Absolutely!!</P>
      <P>Had I been able to verify the contents and inner make-up of the Bir=
d=20
      slug earlier, that is, if I could have read what you just read, I woul=
d=20
      have started the repairs much sooner. &nbsp; It may be that I was just=
=20
      lucky and attempting this project again on a different dud slug would=20=
have=20
      resulted in a much different outcome.&nbsp; I was, however, very pleas=
ed=20
      with the final result on this particular attempt.&nbsp; If you attempt=
 the=20
      same, I hope you have similar success because, as we all know, "A Bird=
 in=20
      the hand is............ oh, never mind....."=20
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      ----- K5LAD</P>
      <P><A=20
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      <P><A=20
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      <P><A=20
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ik moet even naar apeldoorn,een racal ophalen,we hadden het er gisteren nog 
over,en inderdaad voor 125 euro ga ik hem halen.
ik ben de hele middag al bezig om een plekje vrij te maken,maar ja...

gr.henny cpm.

het baken staat even uit,jij bent de enige die hem kan horen want willem is 
een paar dagen weg.

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> Warren,captured your signal at 3:00z
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Hi Victor, Eberhard, LF,
Thanks for the report! My frequency at the last night ~137777,6.
My loc KO85sv.
73
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Hi Warren,

01:45..02:15     TX on ??

73 Eberhard


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Thanks Jean-Pierre!

WD2XGJ will be off the next few days...

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ



On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
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> Hi all on LF !
>
> I give the grabber on the way ,
>
> http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
>
> 73 qro J-P f1afj
>
>
>
>


--=20
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
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Thanks Jean-Pierre!<br><br>WD2XGJ will be off the next few days...<br><br>73=
 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, May 4=
, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jpm.f1afj@onli=
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 2=
04, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi all on LF !<br>
<br>
I give the grabber on the way ,<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm" target=3D"_blank">ht=
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<br>
73 qro J-P f1afj<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2X=
GJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br>=20

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Thanks Henny.

Lets hope conditions improve.  The tx remains in operation on
187.37475 kHz, QRSS120 on the hour.

Cheers
Joe

On Fri, 9 May 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> nothing seen joe
> best 73s
> henny pa3cpm.


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hi john,
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henny pa3cpm
best 73s


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Hello Nicolas,what is your output,estimated erp??

73

Victor
  -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
  Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens F4DTL@aol.com
  Verzonden: donderdag 1 mei 2008 7:51
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  Hello, DTL = F4DTL QRP test beacon.

  F4DTL in JN18FP


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Scholz, Marco wrote:
> Dear LF-Group,
> I transmitting the first time on 137.776KHz in beacon mode in QRSS30. If succuss I send detup details later, but very experimental.
> Please I'm very happen for any report.


Marco,

a capture can be seen here:
http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


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Hello,
Last night i copied DTL (F4DTL) between 22:10-23:05UTC and a partial
copy this morning of XGJ between 1:50-3:00am UTC.

vy73
Marco
DD7PC
JN49ax

mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de
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Dear Rik,

your cq calls were 549 here at 21.13 UTC and 559 at 21.17 UTC, both
clearly readable. Thank You for identifying ON4KTJ, but I remember
having read similar bad reports from G-Stations over rather small
distances.

Perhaps You should think about working xband 600m/80m. About midnight
your signal should be fine here and also in similar distances. But I
have read that your problem at your QTH is a second antenna. Or You have
to find a way to switch your MF antenna at least for receive on 80m.

Just hear your cq call at 21.35 UTC, agn 549, nw answered by G3xiz (whom
I do not hear).

Nw will send this email. 

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB

"Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> schrieb:
> Dear Hajo,
> 
> thanks for the report.
> Just worked ON4KTJ, but even here he was only 339 over abt 70km distance.
> His QTH is Ath (abt 50km SW of Brussels).
> Maybe southcoast G's can copy him.
> 
> Anyway: my 14th station and 5th DXCC.
> 
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> 
> Quoting hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de:
> 
> > Just heard weak signals from OR7T on 502,2 kHz in eastern Bavaria, QTH
> > JN68GN;
> > at 20.40 the end of a qso with ON4??, and
> >
> > at 20.44 cq d3e OR7T
> >
> > Paul-Hendrik, tnx for your explanations. I also feel that for the time
> > being 23.00 UTC will be the optimum time for EU dx. We both have the
> > same local summer time i guess.
> >
> > Nw back to the reiceiver.
> >
> > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
> >
> > "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
> >> 500kHz propagation from western europe sets in very late (early   
> >> morning) here
> >> now, there is no complete nighttime darkness up here anymore so the D-layer
> >> gets very little rest. Midsummer is about a month away and it will be August
> >> before signals slowly start improving here again on MF.
> >>
> >> DI2AM was weak too at the time I had the first copy of Rik.
> >>
> >> 2200z is local midnight here and mid-path midnight will be almost one hour
> >> later.
> >>
> >> So in fact 2125z was still "early" copy of Rik here. I expect   
> >> signals would have
> >> improved vastly from that. This is a very typical behaviour for   
> >> DI2AM signals
> >> during recent weeks.
> >>
> >> The opposite situation:
> >>
> >> In mid winter I could copy GM4SLV 24/7 on the Shetland - Vaasa path  
> >>  during some
> >> longer tests we ran.
> >>
> >>
> >> Will keep an ear on 502.95kHz during the weekend when/if I'm in the shack
> >>
> >>
> >> 73
> >>
> >> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> >> Vaasa / KP03SD
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de:
> >>
> >> > This is a pity. According to Rik's time table I did not listen after
> >> > 21.00z
> >> >
> >> > But during the summer season this seems to be necessary. No problem for
> >> > me, I am retired.
> >> >
> >> > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
> >> > > Hear you calling CQ on 502.95kHz at 2125z
> >> > >
> >> > > Weak but readable, a Q4
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 73's
> >> > >
> >> > > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> >> > > Vaasa / KP03SD
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Quoting Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Dear all,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and
> >> > > > once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
> >> > > > Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest
> >> > > > QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
> >> > > > I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC,
> >> > > > monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I am running 250 Watt (= 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m
> >> > > > long T-antenna.
> >> > > > Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the
> >> > > > theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
> >> > > > But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a
> >> > > > good part of it.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> >> > > >
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The ITU Radio Regulations (RR) define the amateur radio service as:
"A radiocommunication service for the purpose of self training, 
intercommunication and technical investigations carried out by 
amateurs, that is, by duly authorized persons interested in radio 
technique solely with a personal aim and without pecuniary interest"

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LF, Nicolas,

F4DTL received last night in QRSS60 mode. Antenna 1,2m tuned loop, RX ICOM
IC-PCR1000 with tuned pre-amp.

73, Dave G3WCB, IO91RM near Windsor, S.E England
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of F4DTL@aol.com
  Sent: 08 May 2008 22:41
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  Subject: LF: F4DTL beacon DTL new test


  Special thanx to Victor PA3FNY, Eberhard, Jean-Pierre F1AFJ and Hartmut
Wolff for reports of last night.

  This evening new test with a modified Z transformer (THT TV core) and 130W
QRSS60.
  Always my small vertical antenna (10m without capacitive hat)


  Monitoring : http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm

  F4DTL in JN18FP

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D182002314-09052008>LF, Nicolas,</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D182002314-09052008>F4DTL received last night in QRSS60 mo=
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Hello Nicolas,
good copy last night of your beacon in JN49.
=20
vy73
Marco
DD7PC
=20
Rx: Yaesu FT857, G0MRF Preamp and PA0DRT Miniwhip antenna

  _____ =20

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Subject: LF: F4DTL beacon DTL new test


Special thanx to Victor PA3FNY, Eberhard, Jean-Pierre F1AFJ and Hartmut
Wolff for reports of last night.
=20
This evening new test with a modified Z transformer (THT TV core) and
130W QRSS60.
Always my small vertical antenna (10m without capacitive hat)
=20
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Monitoring : http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
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F4DTL in JN18FP

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Because CW and the necessary equipment is the most direct approach, but you
have to be a real radio amateur with CW skills
Me and my world will still be going when all the appliance operators and
their digis have been Zapped.
CW is a quiet mode to operate, the only noise is a few clicks from the key
but SSB, AM etc are noisy modes and easily detected by passers by.
Voice modes are not used for radio fox hunting only CW for the same reasons.
G3KEV


----- Original Message -----
From: "Reeves Paul" <Paul.Reeves@uk.thalesgroup.com>
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> And just why would only CW radios survive?? This is news - EMP will ONLY
> take out SSB/FM/AM radios!!
>
> As usual Mal lives in his own little world.
>
> Paul     G8GJA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mal [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net]
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> A recent newspaper report indicates a certain country building up its
> ability to ZAP all appliance communications systems ie Satellite and
> Internet systems.
> and do not forget SATNAV systems.
> Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
> national control.
> That leaves the average radio amateur appliance operator out of the comms
> business.
> Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be
the
> only source of communications in the end.
> Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF
> skills should be encouraged.
> Some might critize these observations but BEWARE
> I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance
> devices being unable to contact shore stations and only managed because
some
> senior  staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This
> could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the
500
> khz CW band and mothballed some costal stations, in fact some ships are
> still equipped with MF/HF equipment as well as Sat systems.
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Dear Hajo,

thanks for the report.
Just worked ON4KTJ, but even here he was only 339 over abt 70km distance.
His QTH is Ath (abt 50km SW of Brussels).
Maybe southcoast G's can copy him.

Anyway: my 14th station and 5th DXCC.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de:

> Just heard weak signals from OR7T on 502,2 kHz in eastern Bavaria, QTH
> JN68GN;
> at 20.40 the end of a qso with ON4??, and
>
> at 20.44 cq d3e OR7T
>
> Paul-Hendrik, tnx for your explanations. I also feel that for the time
> being 23.00 UTC will be the optimum time for EU dx. We both have the
> same local summer time i guess.
>
> Nw back to the reiceiver.
>
> 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
>
> "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
>> 500kHz propagation from western europe sets in very late (early  =20
>> morning) here
>> now, there is no complete nighttime darkness up here anymore so the D-lay=
er
>> gets very little rest. Midsummer is about a month away and it will be Aug=
ust
>> before signals slowly start improving here again on MF.
>>
>> DI2AM was weak too at the time I had the first copy of Rik.
>>
>> 2200z is local midnight here and mid-path midnight will be almost one hou=
r
>> later.
>>
>> So in fact 2125z was still "early" copy of Rik here. I expect  =20
>> signals would have
>> improved vastly from that. This is a very typical behaviour for  =20
>> DI2AM signals
>> during recent weeks.
>>
>> The opposite situation:
>>
>> In mid winter I could copy GM4SLV 24/7 on the Shetland - Vaasa path =20
>>  during some
>> longer tests we ran.
>>
>>
>> Will keep an ear on 502.95kHz during the weekend when/if I'm in the shack
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
>> Vaasa / KP03SD
>>
>>
>> Quoting hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de:
>>
>> > This is a pity. According to Rik's time table I did not listen after
>> > 21.00z
>> >
>> > But during the summer season this seems to be necessary. No problem for
>> > me, I am retired.
>> >
>> > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
>> >
>> >
>> > "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
>> > > Hear you calling CQ on 502.95kHz at 2125z
>> > >
>> > > Weak but readable, a Q4
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 73's
>> > >
>> > > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
>> > > Vaasa / KP03SD
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Quoting Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
>> > >
>> > > > Dear all,
>> > > >
>> > > > I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) a=
nd
>> > > > once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
>> > > > Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowes=
t
>> > > > QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
>> > > > I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC,
>> > > > monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
>> > > >
>> > > > I am running 250 Watt (=3D 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and=
 25m
>> > > > long T-antenna.
>> > > > Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the
>> > > > theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
>> > > > But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a
>> > > > good part of it.
>> > > >
>> > > > 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>> > > >
>> > > >
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>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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>
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>



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Hello Andrey ,
Good copy now of your signal on my "grabber " , antenna qtf 035 !
I go on qtf 295 for the T/A window .
http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
73 qro J-P f1afj JN06HT

Andrey RN3AGC a =E9crit :
> Hello All,
> RN3AGC beacon start 19.30 z ~137.777.6 qrss60.
> Power ~100-150 W.
> All reports are welcome.
>
> 73
> RN3AGC
>
>
>

--=20
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John

Hope you'll reconsider your departure. I find your grabber quite useful for 
T/A work as well any and all beacon operations.

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----- Original Message ----- 
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> On 12 May 2008 at 22:46, John Pumford-Green GM4SLV wrote:
>
>> Normal amateur bands are the place for radio amateurs to have normal CW
>> QSOs.
>>
>> 500 is not a normal amateur band and you should expect operations to be
>> conducted in ways that may offend your narrow definition of how to
>> operate.
>>
>
> Oh dear dear dear......
>
> Personally, while getting very bored with these petty arguments,
> beacons do nothing for me at all and there are plenty of other 500kHz
> operators who like me DO like normal QSOs. Quite a lot of those were
> active in the early days (and also of 136kHz) who are never heard these
> days as they have got disillusioned. There is a place for both beacons
> and normal CW QSOs (and data modes as well) on both these bands and to
> say otherwise is total nonsense.
>
> I was going to try and sort out the matching of my 500kHz vertical this
> week and get back on the band. I have now lost that enthusiasm, seeing
> as it appears there will be nobody for me to work anyway.
>
> Sorry to see you go John, but really these sorts of arguments do little
> to help.
>
> 73 Dave G3YMC
>
> http://www.davesergeant.com
>
> 



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Dear all

It's that time again.. I need news for the next Radcom LF column. What have
you been working/building/hearing on LF/MF?
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Dear all<br><br>It&#39;s that time again.. I need news for the next Radcom LF column. What have you been working/building/hearing on LF/MF?<br>Please let me know to this address or g3yxm at wireless dot org dot uk<br clear="all">
<br>73<br>Dave.<br>-- <br>G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

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hi joe,
nothing seen today,
best 73s
henny cpm.

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Dave
I recently purchased a 24v/100a alternator and am in the process of building=
 a wind generator to run the shack LF/MF equipment. If this project is of in=
terest I will let you have the details and photos etc. I have engineered/bui=
lt the 3 propeller blades and it is spinning well !!=20
73 de Mal/G3KEV


  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Dear all

  It's that time again.. I need news for the next Radcom LF column. What hav=
e you been working/building/hearing on LF/MF?
  Please let me know to this address or g3yxm at wireless dot org dot uk

  73
  Dave.
  --=20
  G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK=20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I recently purchased a 24v/100a alternator=20=
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Hi Marco.

nice cpy your signal hr in JO51TQ. congrats on your first LF-transm.
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And I  thought the dinosaurs died out 650 million years ago :-)

Andy  G4JNT

(Never used a valve in my life. Dislike morse but forced to use it
occasionally on microwave bands, and find its a good a coding scheme
as other alphabets.  Became bored with LF when it got taken over by
people making QSOs)




2008/5/6 Dave Pick <daveyxm@googlemail.com>:
> Back to mono!
> Down with digits!
> Hooray for caves!
>
> Dave ;-)
>
>
> On 05/05/2008, mal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
> > For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
> > stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
> > proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and
> > operated by a human.
> > Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated
> > systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
> > ZAPPED!!!
> > In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore
> hard
> > to find and destroy.
> >
> > G3KEV
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK



-- 
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Hello Gary , Markus ,
=20
my grabber is identical to that of Markus , I use WPUT.EXE for the=20
transfer on the ftp .

73 Jean-Pierre F1AFJ

Markus Vester a =E9crit :
> Hi Gary,
> =20
> my grabber is based on a very useful commandline FTP utility called=20
> WCL_FTP, by Ken Anderson. It is run by SpecLab's periodic actions.
> =20
> Best regards,
> Markus (DF6NM)
> =20
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>     *To:* LF -RSGB LF Group <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>     *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2008 7:56 PM
>     *Subject:* LF: Upload software.
>
>     *Hi LF,*
>
>     * *
>
>     *What is the software for uploading screen shots to a grabber page
>     of a website ?*
>
>     * *
>
>     *As I run a Softrock receiver 24/7 I will give it a try & set up a
>     grabber.*
>
>     * *
>
>     *Any hints & tips will be appreciated from the experienced users.*
>
>     * *
>
>     **73,**
>
>     =20
>
>     **Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.**
>
>     =20
>

--=20
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In a message dated 06/05/2008 18:30:31 GMT Daylight Time,  
g3kevmal@talktalk.net writes:

I also  experienced a H-bomb explosion on Christmas Island and have first
hand  knowledge of EMP and associated effects.
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Hmmmmmmmmm
 
That probably explains it then.



   

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<DIV>In a message dated 06/05/2008 18:30:31 GMT Daylight Time,=20
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  experienced a H-bomb explosion on Christmas Island and have first<BR>hand=20
  knowledge of EMP and associated effects.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>Hmmmmmmmmm</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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nur zu Info
DI2AT ist wegen Urlaub abgeschalten.
Wahrscheinlich geht es erst im Sptenber wieder weiter, da zu wenig 
Rückmeldungen kamem (ca- eine / Monat)
Gruß
Roland DI2AT/ DL3NDR

hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de schrieb:
> Dear Rik,
>
> tried to copy You by ear tonight but nil. 
>
> Even DI2AM cannot be heard before 20.00 UTC here in eastern Bavaria,
> JN68GN.
>
> But I will listen the following evenings too.
>
> 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
>
> "Rik Strobbe" <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> schrieb:
>   
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and 
>> once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
>> Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest 
>> QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
>> I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC, 
>> monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
>>
>> I am running 250 Watt (= 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m 
>> long T-antenna.
>> Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the 
>> theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
>> But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a 
>> good part of it.
>>
>> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>>
>>
>> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
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Hi Marco,

congratulations on your first LF transmission! Your signal was about 0.8=20=
=C2=B5V/m here in Nuernberg JN59NK.

I wish you success and all the best.

Markus, DF6NM



----- Original Message -----=20
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> Dear LF-Group,
> I transmitting the first time on 137.776KHz in beacon mode in QRSS30. If s=
uccuss I send detup details later, but very experimental.
> Please I'm very happen for any report.
>=20
> Thank you
> Vy73
> Marco
> DD7PC
> JN49ax
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Marco,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>congratulations on your first LF=20
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JN59NK.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I wish you success and all the best.</FONT>=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Markus, DF6NM</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "Scholz, Marco " &lt;</FONT><A   href=
=3D"mailto:marco.scholz@citi.com"><FONT face=3DArial   size=3D2>marco.scholz=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 5:24 PM</FONT>=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BR><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial   size=3D2>&gt; Dear LF-Group,<BR>&gt; I transmitting the first tim=
e on 137.776KHz=20
in beacon mode in QRSS30. If succuss I send detup details later, but very=20
experimental.<BR>&gt; Please I'm very happen for any report.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt=
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Hello from Iowa in the US - EN31do,

Very interesting. Such technology could be reasonably expected to exist. I
agree with your observations totally. 

Granted that my anecdote is about 10 years olde: a man I used to work with
at that time was a retired US Navy Chief and had recently visited a new at
that time ship. He was not allowed full access but did take note of a CW key
under a neat plastic cover sitting at one end of the operating desk. He
asked what and the rejoinder: "It always works!"

I opposed the abandonment of the code for several reason and levels - and
still do!

When I was still teaching I insisted my math students know the
multiplication table! I did a lot of defending - but - I am right!!!

73,

Doc.

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:48
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Subject: LF: ZAP

A recent newspaper report indicates a certain country building up its
ability to ZAP all appliance communications systems ie Satellite and
Internet systems.
and do not forget SATNAV systems.
Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
national control.
That leaves the average radio amateur appliance operator out of the comms
business.
Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be the
only source of communications in the end.
Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF
skills should be encouraged.
Some might critize these observations but BEWARE
I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance
devices being unable to contact shore stations and only managed because some
senior  staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This
could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the 500
khz CW band and mothballed some costal stations, in fact some ships are
still equipped with MF/HF equipment as well as Sat systems.


G3KEV





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Hi Hennym

Thanks for monitoring,
73 es gl
Joe

On Wed, 7 May 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> hi joe,
> nothing seen,
> 73s
> henny pa3cpm.


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Field telephone cable , must be similar pvc/steel/copper ?

I think the cable that feeds my phone has 4 cores, it replaced the gray flat 
twin quite a while ago , have seen some  kevlar/copper Ae  wire on ebay

G ..



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> Peter, LF,
>
> I got mine as scrap from a telephone engineer many years ago.
>
> I have used it as twin balanced feeder with a HF trap dipole & an inverted 
> V
> & worked very well. The drop wire I had only had one wire copper coated
> (don't know why). It is strong & light & was told that it is about 72 ohms
> as a balanced feeder.
>
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Peter Dodd
> Sent: 15 May 2008 23:55
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Antenna wire
>
> BT telephone drop wire seems to be very good material for antenna wire.
> Does anyone know where you can buy it?
>
> Regards
>
>
> Peter         G3LDO
>
>
>
>


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Hello Gary, LF!
It is to early on receiving your signal, but my RX will be ready after
sunset. No QRN this evening, band is quiet.
 
GL!
 
Lubos, OK2BVG
 
****************************************
 
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 7:32 PM
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Subject: LF: 500 khz Testing 1W erp
 
Hi LF,
 
Currently testing on 503.600 KHz.
QRS 3 & CW ID 12wpm, 5 minute intervals.
 
Modified antenna at 12 mtrs, elevated inductance at 8 mtrs, 1W ERP Tx
power 225 watts DC input.
 
LF/MF antenna now back in service after broken winch cable replacement.
 
Reports welcome.
 
73,
 
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p></o:p></span></font></p>

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g] <b><span  style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gary - G4WGT=
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rial><span  lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ans=
i-language:EN-GB;  font-weight:bold'>Modified antenna at 12 mtrs, elevated i=
nductance at 8 mtrs,
1W ERP Tx power 225 watts DC input.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
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replacement.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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Hi Markus, Jean-Pierre, LF,

Thank you for the additional method, I will have a look at that one also.

I have just managed to get Argo-upload operational. When I am happy with the
grabber I will announce the address & users can e-mail me their comments.

73

Gary - G4WGT


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Hello Gary , Markus ,
=20
my grabber is identical to that of Markus , I use WPUT.EXE for the=20
transfer on the ftp .

73 Jean-Pierre F1AFJ

Markus Vester a =E9crit :
> Hi Gary,
> =20
> my grabber is based on a very useful commandline FTP utility called=20
> WCL_FTP, by Ken Anderson. It is run by SpecLab's periodic actions.
> =20
> Best regards,
> Markus (DF6NM)
> =20
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>     *To:* LF -RSGB LF Group <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>     *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2008 7:56 PM
>     *Subject:* LF: Upload software.
>
>     *Hi LF,*
>
>     * *
>
>     *What is the software for uploading screen shots to a grabber page
>     of a website ?*
>
>     * *
>
>     *As I run a Softrock receiver 24/7 I will give it a try & set up a
>     grabber.*
>
>     * *
>
>     *Any hints & tips will be appreciated from the experienced users.*
>
>     * *
>
>     **73,**
>
>     =20
>
>     **Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.**
>
>     =20
>

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Hi Mal.
I have still got my slide rule, still working and EMP hardened.

73.
Ken   M0KHW
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> No bunkers just cycle around and work /M and this has been done before or
> stop and hide behind a hedge, and the manual  says do either of two 
> things,
> 1. Turn the bicycle upside down,  turn the pedal  with one hand to 
> generate
> the electricity and send CW with the other.
> or
> 2. Sit on bicycle with back wheel raised off the ground on its parking
> bracket and pedal in the normal way to generate electricity, manipulate
> morse key.
> This is a quiet operation either way and avoids detection also cost
> effective.
> Preferably use low consumption radio tubes to avoid knockout from EMP that
> has meantime destroyed all the satellites and associated systems.
> Operator qualifications:-
> Ability to send and receive morse code, use a soldering iron, able to ride 
> a
> bicycle, mechanically/electrically handy. These are all the things a Radio
> Amateur used to be able to do, but todays amateurs DOUBTFUL.
> One other thing, learn to do calculations manually ie division,
> multiplication, subtraction and some algebra would be useful because your
> electronic calculator will also be Zapped by the EMP.
>
> G3KEV
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vernon Matheson" <vmath@eastlink.ca>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:50 PM
> Subject: LF: RE: Survival
>
>
>> Do we have to build any bunkers to house the pedal communication system
> in?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:43
>> To: rsgb
>> Subject: LF: Survival
>>
>> For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
>> stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
>> proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and
>> operated by a human.
>> Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated
>> systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
>> ZAPPED!!!
>> In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore
> hard
>> to find and destroy.
>>
>> G3KEV
>>
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I belive beacons serve a useful purpose on 136 and 500kHz, both in terms of
propagation
experiments and in the design of receiving equipment. If a certain station
in the north of
the country finds that they produce QRM, I suggest he pays attention to the
selectivity of
his receiving equipment.
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I belive beacons serve a useful purpose on 136 and 500kHz, both in terms of propagation<br>experiments and in the design of receiving equipment. If a certain station in the north of<br>the country finds that they produce QRM, I suggest he pays attention to the selectivity of<br>
his receiving equipment.<br>Laurie G3AQC <br>

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HiGary!

We are use an Argo-uploader from Rik Strobe.(Andy RN3AGC and me.)

He is working well w/o Argo. You need click OK when the programm=20
started.

I use Spectran with argo-uploader easy.

If you need more then one uploader rename the other copy argo-uploader.

That program easy like an axe and working well 100%. TNX to Rik.

73!

Roman

* Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> [Fri, 23 May 200

8 18:56:33 +0100]:
> Hi LF,
>
>
>
> What is the software for uploading screen shots to a grabber page of a
> website ?
>
>
>
> As I run a Softrock receiver 24/7 I will give it a try & set up a
> grabber.
>
>
>
> Any hints & tips will be appreciated from the experienced users.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
>
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
>
>
>

--
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This is diss information, you need to  preserve water and food

The official word is  'battery'

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvR7P9heH8&feature=related

G ..

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Sorry about the mistake but glad to know you are doing some research. 
> Maybe
> you already have the bicycle!!!!!! that would be a start.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:21 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: RE: Survival
>
>
>> For stormyarcher , read sturmey-archer
>>
>> Just a little telegraphic distortion creeping in ?
>>
>> http://www.sturmey-archer.com/
>>
>> something a little closer to  home ?
>>
>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCdIe0wdvU
>>
>>
>>
>> G..
>>
>>
>>
>> > Do we have to build any bunkers to house the pedal communication system
>> > in?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
>> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:43
>> > To: rsgb
>> > Subject: LF: Survival
>> >
>> > For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with 
>> > a
>> > stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
>> > proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap
> and
>> > operated by a human.
>> > Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or
> associated
>> > systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
>> > ZAPPED!!!
>> > In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore
>> > hard
>> > to find and destroy.
>> >
>> > G3KEV
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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>


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Mal,

 

You made your views public !! so any answers must be the same.

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

 

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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To avoid clogging up the reflector please call me on 500 khz using CW and
put forward your point of view. It will also be more private.

G3KEV

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Chris <mailto:c.ashby435@btinternet.com>  

To: RSGB <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>  lf Group 

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Subject: LF: LF, e-mail, beacons etc.

 

G3KEV,

I thought you made your point on this some days ago, resulting in a clogging
up of this refelector with increasingly silly comments.

Chris, G4AYT.


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Mal,<o:p=
></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>You made
your views public !! so any answers must be the same.<o:p></o:p></span></fon=
t></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Gary &#8=
211;
G4WGT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fon=
t></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
me>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:=
PersonName>]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>mal<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 11 May 2008 19:02<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"o=
n">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: Re: LF, e-mail,
beacons etc.</span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>To avoid clogging up the reflector please call me o=
n 500 khz
using CW and put forward your point of view. It will also be more private.</=
span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></fo=
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rial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Fro=
m:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href=3D"mailto:c.ashby435@btinternet.com" title=
=3D"c.ashby435@btinternet.com">Chris</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=
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f=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org">RSGB
lf Group</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font si=
ze=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Sund=
ay, May 11,
2008 2:03 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font=
 size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> L=
F: LF, e-mail,
beacons etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>I thought you made your point on this some days ago=
,
resulting in a clogging up of this refelector with increasingly silly commen=
ts.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Chris, G4AYT.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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Hello Marco,I think it was you together with wpf,

73
Victor=20
PA3FNY
JO22NC

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Scholz, Marco=20
Verzonden: zondag 11 mei 2008 8:05
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: AW: LF: XGJ,beacons


Good Morning Victor,
Please who was the 3rd? See only 2 attachments.
Thanks
Vy73
Marco
DD7PC

----- Originalnachricht -----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
An: blacksheep <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Gesendet: Sun May 11 08:39:07 2008
Betreff: LF: XGJ,beacons

Poor conditions,still captured 3 stations,

73
Victor





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I can hear a stn calling CQ on 500 khz and pse qsl via EMAIL !!!!!!!!!!!!
The trend on 500 seems to be Beacon mode and reply via email or watch your
own signal on a Grabber !!!!!!
Real QSO'S on this band are very rare. Is this what was intended when
permits were issued to experiment on 500?
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>From my Telephony BT linesman days GPO dropwire No.3 and 6 rings a bell. No=20=
idea where to buy it save Peter http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/weixia=
osss/offer-detailUGzxTKrbFJMt/Sell-Telephone-Drop-Wire.html

 but it was pretty effective and strong too....I never had to deal with open=
 wire spans by the time of my apprecticeship but I think that was very simil=
ar physically.

>>> BT telephone drop wire seems to be very good material for antenna wire.
> Does anyone know where you can buy it?
>
> Regards
>
>
> Peter G3LDO
>
>
>

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Hello Marco,congratulations for this first steps in LF  transmissions.
 
Tonight,could you operate the beacon in  QRSS60 ?
Last night with QRSS30 speed it was too weak for a nice capture  but readable.
 
 
F4DTL in  JN18FP

RX : IC 7400
Ant: active loop LFL  1010



   

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>From my Telephony BT linesman days GPO dropwire No.3 and 6 rings a bell. No=20=
idea where to buy it save Peter http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/weixia=
osss/offer-detailUGzxTKrbFJMt/Sell-Telephone-Drop-Wire.html

 but it was pretty effective and strong too....I never had to deal with open=
 wire spans by the time of my apprecticeship but I think that was very simil=
ar physically.

>>> BT telephone drop wire seems to be very good material for antenna wire.
> Does anyone know where you can buy it?
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Hello Marco and all.
 
F4DTL QRP beacon "DTL" start now until 2100 UTC 137.776 QRSS60.
10m vertical antenna (HF antenna modified without hat) and 150W 
 
All reports are welcome.
 
F4DTL in  JN18FP





   

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Has anyone a link to a circuit for modding the Bird 43 to  peak reading ? , 
nothing but 'kits' comming back on web serach , I did see a artical a while 
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I dont need the full cct, I need to  know what the terminating impeadance 
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hi joe,
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73s
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On Mon, 12 May 2008 15:45:44 -0000
"mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

> Beacons can be useful the odd time but some are left on continuously
> for days. One weekend there was a chorous of beacons and some
> remained on for over a week just generating qrm. GI3PDN, GI4DPE,
> GM4SLV, GW4HXO and a G3 in Norfolk, cannot remember his call. I
> cannot see the necessity for this when they are all capable of
> working a two way QSO on CW, then leaving the frequencies clear for
> others. I only work two way QSO mode and QSX on 3533/7033 khz for
> replies from those without a NOV for the band plus some EU dx. I get
> lots of emails from others about beacons and some even advocate
> contacting OFCOM to have them stopped because of the QRM caused. I
> have not encouraged this approach, hoping that it will go away
> eventually. I have a couple of large antennas for 500 and 137 khz and
> these pick up the weakest signals and although good in qso mode I get
> all the beacon qrm as well hi 73 for now and I hope you now see my
> point of view.


A 250Hz IF filter and a 10Hz AF filter.... what QRM? 



The EXPERIMENTAL RESEARCH band is not for "rubberstamp DX QSOs" ("ur RST
599 = pse QSL = QRU 73") or a "ragchewers paradise" ("ere
WX sunny = been to docs for lumbago = xyl say hows Marge and the dogs?")

It's for self-determined study into a hitherto unexplored area (to
amateurs and on the whole also to professionals) of the MF spectrum. 

Before you say "the old marine CW users know all there is to know" think
again - the professional users were generally only interested in
reasonably short range, reasonably strong signals, from reasonably
efficient antennas and using reasonably powerful transmitters, over
reasonably favourable groundplane conductivity. 

Very little could be done during the heyday of MF CW to
seriously investigate this region of spectrum, in terms of compromise
short antenna systems, weak signals and anomalous propagation -  due to
the high levels of occupancy and large signal levels. 

Certainly nothing was known at that time about DSP and clever digital
modulation/coding systems to achieve robust, low power, information
exchange. 

YES.... I know... "CW IS BEST".... but think... some of the new schemes
may actually be BETTER.... but until someone tests them we'll never
know..... CW might indeed be the one true mode, let others do their
datamode tests, and let's see.


Randomly convened 2-way CW QSOs may provide an insight into the
band, for the 2-stations concerned. It's a bit hit and miss though.


However others may want a more in depth, scientific view of things.

Long periods of transmission (I'm not going to call them beacons) allow
the collection of much more data, by many more people, than the odd
"I've got half an hour to spare, let's see what's on 500" way of
operating 

I have had many CW QSOs on 500 where some actual experimentation was
done in the course of the QSO but in generalI think most QSOs are
either local groundwave rag-chews or short (what's to be learned by
this?), or short rubber stamp "DX" QSOs - to get a new
call/country/distance in the log. 

Are you telling me that this style of operating is what was intended by
the issuing of Special Research Permits? 

Admittedly the research concerened may be to build/modify/adjust the
equipment, and the QSO is a means of proving a concept or validating a
modification etc...


The "beacon hell" period you refer to, where several stations had
continuous CW idents running, was for a specific and I think valid,
cause - to enlist the community of NDB listeners (experts in narrow
band, weak signal in high QRM, MF CW reception) over the Easter weekend
in attempting to receive amateur signals on 500kHz.

We all got very many reports - many more than could have been gathered
relying only on direct, in-band or cross-band QSOs.


The stations sending the transmissions learned much about the
performance of their equipment, and the band itself, and the listeners
probably gained new knowledge too.


I'm heartily tired of all this whinging about "beacons are spoiling
it".

Do you want to turn the radio on, call "CQ", have a QSO with a random
stranger?

Use 80/40/30/20m.



Do you want to study something specific, in depth? 

Then do some more structured operating. If this is pre-arranged regular
skeds with specific stations (the dreaded email...to arrange them,
to report on them beyond what is passed in the QSO... to discuss things
- eg  if it failed due to unsuitable conditions.....)


Or even generate a more general "beacon" (attended operation only of
course!!!) for a wider audience to study. Perhaps operate a grabber
for others use as a research tool...


These are more in line with the spirit and intention of the Special 
Research Permit than random QSOs.



Your narrow view of how others should operate on 500, repeated ad
nauseum on this list every time you get out of bed the wrong side, has
driven several experimenally minded people away already.... and now
it's done the same for me too.


I'm now QRT on 500 and I know you'll be happy at that. More proof that
the modern radio amateur is a technically challenged appliance
operator. You're wrong in that assumption - my operation on 500 has
been with homebrew gear and manual telegraphy only - but you're
welcome to your opinions (you certainly have plenty of them). 


For those that used my grabber for their investigations, or were happy
to study my "beacon" signals from this far flung corner of the UK - I
wish you every success on 500. 

Just make sure you play by Mal's rules.

Regards,

John Pumford-Green
GM4SLV



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Hi LF,

 

Just been going thro' my SpecLab captures which had mounted up, here is one
worth showing to the group from the 6th May 2008.

 

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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Hi all on LF !
Last night , i copy on the grabber :
WX
DTL
ACG
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http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
73 qro J-P f1afj




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Hi all,
 
I personally cannot see what is wrong with a experiment in which  
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received by way of another mechanism or method. Such an experimental method is  
certainly permitted under the terms of not only the general licence but also  under 
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I can personally vouch for the acceptability of this by precedence having  in 
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In the race  of life put a big bet on the nag named "Self-Interest" - He will 
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Thanks to all for the reports yesterday,F1AFJ and his  
grabber,DL2HRE,DD7PC,PA3FNY,F5WK,F4ERO and Hartmut.
 
Tests are stopped,strongs thunderstorms estimated in France for this  week 
end.
 
Best regards F4DTL Nicolas
 
 
 
 



   

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Hi LF,

 

Grabber back on, had a failure with ftp uploading, web site rejected ftp
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All seems OK now.

 

73,

 

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And just why would only CW radios survive?? This is news - EMP will ONLY
take out SSB/FM/AM radios!!

As usual Mal lives in his own little world.

Paul     G8GJA

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 05 May 2008 18:48
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Subject: LF: ZAP


A recent newspaper report indicates a certain country building up its
ability to ZAP all appliance communications systems ie Satellite and
Internet systems.
and do not forget SATNAV systems.
Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
national control.
That leaves the average radio amateur appliance operator out of the comms
business.
Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be the
only source of communications in the end.
Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF
skills should be encouraged.
Some might critize these observations but BEWARE
I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance
devices being unable to contact shore stations and only managed because some
senior  staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This
could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the 500
khz CW band and mothballed some costal stations, in fact some ships are
still equipped with MF/HF equipment as well as Sat systems.


G3KEV



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I was on a ship recently sailing mostly in UK waters and it is licenced and
equipped with HF CW/SSB equipment as well as the usual vhf/uhf and inmarsat
gear.
History often repeats itself and I expect it will come back into fashion
again as an essential service.
g3kev

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> Interesting - LF Loran isnt that hard to knock out either - a certain
> exercise was done a few years ago and a sharpshooter with a .303 (that
dates
> it) took out the main feed line from over 1200 yards. Mock attacks on the
> old Decca chains in Norfolk/Suffolk were also interesting...
>
> Yep your right some foreign governments have maintained 500kHz onshore and
> offshore especially in AsiaPac.
>
> Laurence  KL1 X/7 Seattle
>
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GE Gary, LF!
All is OK, I just see your signal.
 
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
 
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 7:32 PM
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Hi LF,
 
Currently testing on 503.600 KHz.
QRS 3 & CW ID 12wpm, 5 minute intervals.
 
Modified antenna at 12 mtrs, elevated inductance at 8 mtrs, 1W ERP Tx
power 225 watts DC input.
 
LF/MF antenna now back in service after broken winch cable replacement.
 
Reports welcome.
 
73,
 
Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
 

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>GE Gary, LF!<o:p></o:p><=
/span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All is OK, I just see yo=
ur signal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS<o:=
p></o:p></span></font></p>

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=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
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=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>************************=
**************************<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DTaho=
ma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message=
-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or=
g] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gary - G4WGT<=
br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 07, 2008=
 7:32
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> LF -RSGB LF Group<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: 500 khz Testing=20=
1W
erp</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Tim=
es New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></fon=
t></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB; font-weight:bold'>Hi LF,<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB; font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB; font-weight:bold'>Currently testing on 503.600 KHz.<o:p></o=
:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB; font-weight:bold'>QRS 3 &amp; CW ID 12wpm, 5 minute interva=
ls.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB; font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB; font-weight:bold'>Modified antenna at 12 mtrs, elevated ind=
uctance at 8 mtrs,
1W ERP Tx power 225 watts DC input.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB; font-weight:bold'>LF/MF antenna now back in service after b=
roken winch cable
replacement.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB; font-weight:bold'>Reports welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><b><font size=3D3 face=3DA=
rial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi=
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face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;=
 mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>73,</span></font></b></strong><span lang=3DEN-GB s=
tyle=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;=
 mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.</span></font></b></strong><=
span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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Hello All,
RN3AGC beacon start 19.30 z ~137.777.6 qrss60.
Power ~100-150 W.
All reports are welcome.

73
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Dear all,

as I tried to tune my 500 kHz antenna last right I noticed that it 
was detuned by about 1.5 kHz (from 503 tot 501.5) and that the 
antenna current was down to 1.8 A (from 2.1 A).
A first visual control of the antenna revealed no possible cause. So 
I started to check the coax cables and variometer, but all was OK there.
During a second visual control (it was already getting dark) I 
noticed that a small branch of one of the surrounding trees was 
cracked (probably during a thunderstorm the night before) and just 
one leaf was touching the antenna wire. By gently pulling the 
downlead wire of the antenna a few times the cracked branch moved a 
bit and the leaves were now about 20 cm from the antenna wire. Now 
the antenna was back to 503 kHz and the antenna current back to 2.1 A.

Of course I know that the antenna wire should not touch any greenery, 
but I was surprised of the rather large effect of just one (meanwhile 
dry) leave touching the antenna wire (that has 1mm plastic isolation).

The loss resistance of my antenna system now is 78 Ohm, including 10 
Ohm coil losses (with no touching leaves).
Few weeks ago I increased the height of the top wire from 9 m to 11 
m, what slightly increase the loss from 73 to 78 Ohm.
This is would bring the signal about 0.3 dB down, but is more than 
compensated by the increase of the radiation resistance (+1.7 dB)

During the first tests in February (with the 9m high antenna) I 
measured a loss of 55 Ohm, so the is a seasonal variation almost 20 
Ohm (or 1.2 dB).

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Thanks for the RTTY report Gary,

The QRN isn't too bad at all here today but the poor conditions are probably=
 why there's
so little activity.

I called CQ on 136 / 7 kHz this morning (CW and DFCW) and then later on 502=20=
kHz.
I managed to have a CW QSO with Mal but haven't heard any other stations apa=
rt from=20
G3UNT's  beacon at S9.

73 Chris G3XIZ


----- Original Message ----
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Subject: LF: 500 KHz G3XIZ RTTY.

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Hi Chris, LF,
=20
Seeing your RTTY (no decode) & just
hearing your CW ID at a little after 1800utc.
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I have stoked up the gear so I will watch
the frequency, screen shot attached, your signal amongst the lightning crash=
es.
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73,
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Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.


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Hello all.
 
F4DTL beacon "DTL" 137.776 QRSS60.
10m vertical antenna (HF Ham antenna modified without hat) and  100W 
 
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Thank you Victor!

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
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> captured last night,
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> 73
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Thank you Victor!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Victor van Kooten &lt;<a href="mailto:vvkooten@wanadoo.nl">vvkooten@wanadoo.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
captured last night,<br>
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73<br>
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Victor</font></blockquote></div>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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LF,

 

I would like to say a big thank you those who have took time to help me set
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It seems to be working fine now.

 

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For stormyarcher , read sturmey-archer

Just a little telegraphic distortion creeping in ?

http://www.sturmey-archer.com/

something a little closer to  home ?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCdIe0wdvU



G..



> Do we have to build any bunkers to house the pedal communication system 
> in?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:43
> To: rsgb
> Subject: LF: Survival
>
> For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
> stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
> proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and
> operated by a human.
> Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated
> systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
> ZAPPED!!!
> In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore 
> hard
> to find and destroy.
>
> G3KEV
>
>
>


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06:01




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Smoke signals are not secure too many onlookers.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Johan H. Bodin" <jh.bodin@telia.com>
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> Alberto di Bene wrote:
> > Every ham should be very proficient in smoke signaling.
> > That should be a main topic of the license examination <VBG>
>
> Yes! I would like to hear QUP2 more often on the bands.
>
> Johan SM6LKM
>
>
>
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>



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DI2AT is transmitting Chirped Hell, PSK31, MSK31 and QPSK31 on 505.140kHz today and another 4 days.
from 20:00 UTC
with 70W output about 1W ERP
Receiving with Spectrum Lab

Reports are very welcome.

I am going to South England for holly days. 
DI2AT will continue in about 6 weeks.

73
Roland DI2AT/DL3ND

Description of the beacon:
Homepage des OV Uttenreuth (B31) <http://www.darc.de/distrikte/b/31/>






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Hi LF,

 

Currently testing on 503.600 KHz.

QRS 3 & CW ID 12wpm, 5 minute intervals.

 

Modified antenna at 12 mtrs, elevated inductance at 8 mtrs, 1W ERP Tx power
225 watts DC input.

 

LF/MF antenna now back in service after broken winch cable replacement.

 

Reports welcome.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Currently testing on 503.600 KH=
z.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>QRS 3 &amp; CW ID 12wpm, 5 minu=
te
intervals.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Modified antenna at 12 mtrs, el=
evated
inductance at 8 mtrs, 1W ERP Tx power 225 watts DC input.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>LF/MF antenna now back in servi=
ce after
broken winch cable replacement.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
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</strong><o:p></o:p></p>

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Test stopped,rain actually...
 
Thanx Markus for your grabber.
 
 
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... bright and clear now on the TA grabber panel in Nuernberg: 
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<DIV><FONT style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000=
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanx Markus for your grabber.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=3D1 face=3DArial size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" PTSIZE=3D"10"=
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<DIV><FONT style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000=
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sp;.=20
Sensitivity was somewhat down last night, but back to&nbsp;normal after ante=
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Hear you calling CQ on 502.95kHz at 2125z

Weak but readable, a Q4


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Quoting Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:

> Dear all,
>
> I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and
> once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
> Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest
> QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
> I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC,
> monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
>
> I am running 250 Watt (=3D 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m
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> Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the
> theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
> But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a
> good part of it.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
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>
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hi warren,
nice capture xgj
o4:00 utc
rec:r&s ek891
antenne sloper 10 meter
henny pa3cpm
best 73s


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To avoid clogging up the reflector please call me on 500 khz using CW and pu=
t forward your point of view. It will also be more private.
G3KEV

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Subject: LF: LF, e-mail, beacons etc.


  G3KEV,
  I thought you made your point on this some days ago, resulting in a cloggi=
ng up of this refelector with increasingly silly comments.
  Chris, G4AYT.


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Graham wrote:
> Smoke signals..... I would think a slight problem would be finding something 
> that would burn or if you did , distinguishing it from everything else  that 
> was burning ?

That could be addressed with the use of a strong encryption code, which could also solve the problem of onlookers...
A sort of public key RSA, where you have the guarantee of the authenticity of the sender.
Or more simply, a set of smoke signals could be used as a preamble for the subsequent message... <vbg>

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Lbr Roland,

danke für den Hinweis. Aber im Grunde war ich froh, daß für Hörempfang
die 505 kHz so schön leer war. Erst später kam erst OK0EMW hinzu, wie
ich durch Auszählen der ersten Zeichenlängen feststellen konnte.

Nichts für ungut.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB

"Roland Bruestle" <r@mbsks.franken.de> schrieb:
> nur zu Info
> DI2AT ist wegen Urlaub abgeschalten.
> Wahrscheinlich geht es erst im Sptenber wieder weiter, da zu wenig 
> Rückmeldungen kamem (ca- eine / Monat)
> Gruß
> Roland DI2AT/ DL3NDR
> 
> hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de schrieb:
> > Dear Rik,
> >
> > tried to copy You by ear tonight but nil. 
> >
> > Even DI2AM cannot be heard before 20.00 UTC here in eastern Bavaria,
> > JN68GN.
> >
> > But I will listen the following evenings too.
> >
> > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
> >
> > "Rik Strobbe" <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> schrieb:
> >   
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and 
> >> once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
> >> Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest 
> >> QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
> >> I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC, 
> >> monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
> >>
> >> I am running 250 Watt (= 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m 
> >> long T-antenna.
> >> Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the 
> >> theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
> >> But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a 
> >> good part of it.
> >>
> >> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> >>
> >>
> >> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> 
> 
> 



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hi warren,
capture xgj  04:00utc
henny pa3cpm
best 73s

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Hello Mal, G3KEV,
I don't have NOV for 500kHz but enjoy listening. Happy to discuss by e-mail=20=
direct.
I agree there is a problem with 'beacons'. Yesterdays long S9+ beacon signal=
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y close.
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent.

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Do we have to build any bunkers to house the pedal communication system in?

 

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
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Subject: LF: Survival

For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and
operated by a human.
Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated
systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
ZAPPED!!!
In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore hard
to find and destroy.

G3KEV



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Paul-Henrik,

thanks for the report.
I just worked G3LDO, Peter was 559 with some QSB.
Also heard G3ZWH calling xband earlier tonight.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Paul-Henrik <phl@netikka.fi>:

> Hear you calling CQ on 502.95kHz at 2125z
>
> Weak but readable, a Q4
>
>
> 73's
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
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>
> Quoting Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and
>> once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
>> Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest
>> QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
>> I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC,
>> monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
>>
>> I am running 250 Watt (=3D 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m
>> long T-antenna.
>> Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the
>> theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
>> But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a
>> good part of it.
>>
>> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>>
>>
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=20
Hello Marco,maybe if good weather tonight (not rain) i send a message  befor=
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on this list.
I would try to increase my power, 100W to 150W.
=20
=20
F4DTL in  JN18FP



Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 01/05/2008 11:11:54 Paris, Madrid, =20
marco.scholz@citi.com a =E9crit :

Hello  Nicolas,
Will you repeat tonight? If yes I will listen for  you.
Tnx
Vy73
Marco
DD7PC












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Sorry for the late reply, Henny.

That does appear to be an N tranmsitted from this station
on 187.375 kHz. Congrats!

73
Joe

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> capture vo1na (n)?
> time 01:00utc
> henny cpm
> best 73s


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Gary
I use spectrum lab. It has a dedicated HTTP server, which is OK so long as y=
our IP address is not constantly on the move, you may note that I have set t=
he port to 8080 not 80 as per normal HTTP, thus this restricts access to the=
 page a little (I am not supposed to run full public access HTTP servers by=20=
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if not using this software, it can force a jpg to be saved to a folder, and=20=
this can be automatically ftp transferred to your web server by a bit of sof=
tware.. I haven't investigated this but that's what John SLV does.
Shout if you need any more detail on the way I do this
regards
mark

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20
  Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 6:56 PM
  Subject: LF: Upload software.


  Hi LF,

  =20

  What is the software for uploading screen shots to a grabber page of a web=
site ?

  =20

  As I run a Softrock receiver 24/7 I will give it a try & set up a grabber.

  =20

  Any hints & tips will be appreciated from the experienced users.

  =20

  73,

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

  =20



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gary</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I use spectrum lab. It has a dedicated HTTP=
 server,=20
which is OK so long as your IP address is not constantly on the move, you ma=
y=20
note that I have set the port to 8080 not 80 as per normal HTTP, thus this=20
restricts access to the page a little (I am not supposed to run full public=20
access HTTP servers by my ISP rules.) I placed a link to the local grabber=20
server on my webpages.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if not using this software, it can force a=20=
jpg to=20
be saved to a folder, and this can be automatically ftp transferred to your=20=
web=20
server by a bit of software.. I haven't investigated this but that's what Jo=
hn=20
SLV does.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Shout if you need any more detail on the wa=
y I do=20
this</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mark</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">LF -RSGB LF Group<=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 23, 2008 6:56 PM<=
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As I run a=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN     style=3D"FON=
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T-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Any hints &amp;=20
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Hello LF,

does someone in the group have information on the current status of the 
Russian Chayka chains (Loran-C equivalent on 100 kHz)?

The transmissions of the Western Chain (GRI 8000) seem to have gone off air 
on May 12. Could someone with an LF receiver in the region perhaps confirm 
the absence or presence of sideband lines at multiples of 6.25 Hz?

Wikipedia mentions up to five additional chains on GRI's 7950, 5980, 5960, 
4970, 5970. I have looked for their pulses here, but never managed to find 
any.

Any hints would be greatly appreciated.

73 de Markus, DF6NM



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Hi Henny,

  Thank you for the capture!

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ



2008/5/26 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:

>  *hi warren,*
> **
> *nice capture xgj  03:00utc*
> *henny pa3cpm*
> **
> *best 73s*
> **
> **
> **
>
> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
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-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
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Hi Henny,<br><br>&nbsp; Thank you for the capture!<br><br>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/5/26 henny van elst &lt;<a href="mailto:cpm@planet.nl">cpm@planet.nl</a>&gt;:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






<div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">hi warren,</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></b>&nbsp;</div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">nice capture xgj&nbsp; 
03:00utc</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">henny pa3cpm</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></b>&nbsp;</div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">best 73s</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></b>&nbsp;</div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></b>&nbsp;</div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></b>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen 
worden verzonden:<br>xgj2605.jpg<br><br>Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma&#39;s 
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als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.</div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Victor, Jean-Pierre,

Thanks for the reports. I was watching Jean-Pierre's grabber until 0200, 
and it was nice to see the signal.

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Sounds more like a wee weeing contest

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Hello  Nicolas (F4DTL),
rrr my Rx is on. Report  later.

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On Sun, 11 May 2008 13:20:26 -0000
"mal" wrote

>  The trend on 500 seems to be Beacon mode and reply
> via email or watch your own signal on a Grabber !!!!!!
> Real QSO'S on this band are very rare. Is this what was intended when
> permits were issued to experiment on 500?


If the data gathered, by the methodology chosen, is valuable to the
operator of the station concerned and aids them in their stated
experimental aims then YES!

Can you point out anywhere in the Special Research Permit a clause that
restricts stations only to real time, 2-way, manual, hand sent
telegraphy by on/off keying?

I can't. 

As long as the licence conditions relating to station identification,
power (remember there is an ERP limit... some stations seem to forget
that...) and mode of transmission are followed then operators are
perfectly entitled to radiate signals intended for reception by other
stations even if the return path for the "contact" is not by the same
method as that of the transmission itself. 

If information is gleaned which helps the operator of the experimental
station transmitting on 500kHz (or helps the remote receiving station
in their own research/experiment/self-training) then that's entirely
within the intention and spirit of the special permit.

I suspect every SRP holder has different stated purposes for their
research, and have been granted a permit by OFCOM to persue that aim.

It is not your place to decide whether their aims are valid or not, or
the techniques they choose to persue those aims.

OFCOM and the RSGB have granted the SRP, and it is up to the
individual operator to act in such a way as to gain maximum value from
any operation on the band.

J






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Hi Uwe, LF!

I copy you in QRSS-60 only.
Your signal at my location before sunrise as usual.

* Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru> [Sat, 3 May 2008 04:59:08 +0400]:
> Hello Uwe,
> Your qrss-id 0.51z.
> 73

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I always knew there was a reason for my many "Elmers" over the years  
encouraging me to tune for "maximum smoke"
 
 
 
 
In the race  of life put a big bet on the nag named "Self-Interest" - He will 
always be in  there trying hard !

73 de Pat G4GVW

qth Near Felixstowe, East  coast of UK



   

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On 16 May 2008 at 7:08, Laurence KL1X wrote:

> ..........I never had to deal
>  with open wire spans by the time of my apprecticeship but I think
>  that was very similar physically.

There was some open wire around when I was a BT (Post Office) 
apprentice. It was solid copper wire. As I recall, dropwire (steel 
with a thin copper coating) had a limit to its usable length because 
it had a higher DC resistance than open wire. This resistance may not 
be high in relation to other losses on an LF Marconi, but it would 
rule out its use in a transmitting loop antenna.

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Hi all on LF !

I give the grabber on the way ,

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captured last night,

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Zitat von Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>:

> Hi Uwe!
>
> What antenna in use for TX?
> QRB to own side ~1790 km.
>
> Roman
>

Hi Roman agn,
pse see part 4 of

http://www.uwe-jannsen-dj8wx.de/TX%20equipment.htm

the aerial is good for 500kHz and 136kHz, only shorting the elevated coil if
used on 500kHz.

best regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv





> * uwe-jannsen@versanet.de [Sat,  3 May 2008 22:45:24 +0200]:
>> Zitat von Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>:
>>
>> > Hi Uwe, LF!
>> >
>> > I copy you in QRSS-60 only.
>> > Your signal at my location before sunrise as usual.
>> >
>> > * Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru> [Sat, 3 May 2008 04:59:08 +0400]:
>> >> Hello Uwe,
>> >> Your qrss-id 0.51z.
>> >> 73
>> >
>> > --
>> > Roman RW3ADB.
>> >
>>
>> Hi Roman and Andrey,
>> thanks for the captures. so qrss3 makes it.
>> radiated pwr is abt 300mW ERP.
>> vy 73
>> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
>> PS. this night ZAN.
>>
>>
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> --
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>





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Dear all,

I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and 
once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest 
QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC, 
monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.

I am running 250 Watt (= 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m 
long T-antenna.
Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the 
theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a 
good part of it.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Hi Ederhard,
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Eberhard,
  Thank you for the report!
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ



2008/5/11 "Eberhard v.Wedelst=E4dt" <eberhardvonwedelstaedt@mvnet.de>:

> Hi all,
>
> 17:00..19:45  dd7pc       o/oo   137776.6
> 19:05..20:20  wpf            oo     qrss/dfcw
> 01:30..03:00   xgj             t       best 02:00
>
> 73 Eberhard    jo53po
>
>
>
>


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73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
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Eberhard,<br>&nbsp; Thank you for the report!<br>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><=
br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2008/5/11 &quot;Eberhard v.Wedelst=E4d=
t&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eberhardvonwedelstaedt@mvnet.de">eberhardvonwe=
delstaedt@mvnet.de</a>&gt;:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 2=
04, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi all,<br>
<br>
17:00..19:45 &nbsp;dd7pc &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; o/oo &nbsp; 137776.6<br>
19:05..20:20 &nbsp;wpf &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;oo &nbsp; &n=
bsp; qrss/dfcw<br>
01:30..03:00 &nbsp; xgj &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; t &nbsp; &=
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<br>
73 Eberhard &nbsp; &nbsp;jo53po<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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GJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br>=20

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Marco im beaconing now in 776 QRSS60, good condition to Germany.
 
_http://www.alice-dsl.net/df6nm/grabber/Grabber.htm_ 
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Hello Hartmut,
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73
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Hi Gary can you re send the URL ??
Alan

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> LF,
>
>
>
> I would like to say a big thank you those who have took time to help me
set
> up the grabber via LF, UK500KHz & direct.
>
>
>
> It seems to be working fine now.
>
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> 73,
>
>
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
>
>
>
>



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hi nicolas

capture f4dtl
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henny pa3cpm
best 73s


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Warren,

Try following this link, and then clicking on one of the "locomotive "
pages. There's an e-mail button on one of the pages.

Locomotives and ELF radio seem like strange bedfellows...;-)

http://www.da4e.nl/a4index.html

I also think that Dave Oxnard may have some responsibilty for the site. Try
sending mail to dave@da4e.nl.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Warren Ziegler
  Sent: 13 May 2008 03:55
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: Debeg 2800



  Hello the list,

     Anyone have information (schematic etc) on the Debeg 2800 RX?
  Alternatively does anyone know how to contact the proprietor of the DA4E
VLF web site:
  http://www.da4e.nl/elfspecial.html
  (The e-mail button does not work!)

  Thank you,

  --
  73 Warren K2ORS
  WD2XGJ
  WD2XSH/23
  WE2XEB/2
  WE2XGR/1


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following this link, and then clicking on one of the "locomotive " pages.=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D540372918-13052008><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff><=
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ve=20
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Gary,

Rapido: (Freeware)
http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/rapido/rapido.htm

SnagIt: Very useful Swiss Army Knife for screen captures, but not free:
http://www.techsmith.com/screen-capture.asp

John Andrews, W1TAG

Gary - G4WGT wrote:

> *What is the software for uploading screen shots to a grabber page of a 
> website ?*


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many thanks to those who replied to my email regarding telephone drop wire.

The material I have is not copper coated steel wire - it looks like 
copper material all through.
The conductors are 1mm diameter and the black insulation is about 1.25mm 
thick. The pair of wires are 2.5mm apart. I have used it as twin feeder 
to an OCFD for the HF band to good effect.
G3JMG, in an article in RadCom March 1970 noted that BT had their own 
recipe for the conductors of drop wire: an addition of one per cent 
cadmium to the basic copper mix. This increased the tensile strength of 
hard drawn copper by 50% from 30 tons psi to 30 tons psi. This also 
increased the DC resistance by about 20%.

regards

Peter, G3LDO
> On 16 May 2008 at 7:08, Laurence KL1X wrote:
>
>   
>> ..........I never had to deal
>>  with open wire spans by the time of my apprecticeship but I think
>>  that was very similar physically.
>>     
>
> There was some open wire around when I was a BT (Post Office) 
> apprentice. It was solid copper wire. As I recall, dropwire (steel 
> with a thin copper coating) had a limit to its usable length because 
> it had a higher DC resistance than open wire. This resistance may not 
> be high in relation to other losses on an LF Marconi, but it would 
> rule out its use in a transmitting loop antenna.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> ==========
>
>
>
>
>   



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2008/5/19 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:

>  *hi john,*
> *capture xgj  04:30 utc*
> *henny pa3cpm*
> *best 73s*
>

Thanks for the capture!

-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
WE2XGR/1

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<br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/5/19 henny van elst &lt;<a href="mailto:cpm@planet.nl">cpm@planet.nl</a>&gt;:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






<div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">hi john,</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">capture xgj&nbsp; 04:30 
utc</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">henny pa3cpm</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">best 73s</font></b></div>
</div></blockquote><div><br>Thanks for the capture!<br><br></div></div>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Just heard weak signals from OR7T on 502,2 kHz in eastern Bavaria, QTH
JN68GN;
at 20.40 the end of a qso with ON4??, and

at 20.44 cq d3e OR7T

Paul-Hendrik, tnx for your explanations. I also feel that for the time
being 23.00 UTC will be the optimum time for EU dx. We both have the
same local summer time i guess.

Nw back to the reiceiver.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB

"Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
> 500kHz propagation from western europe sets in very late (early morning) here
> now, there is no complete nighttime darkness up here anymore so the D-layer
> gets very little rest. Midsummer is about a month away and it will be August
> before signals slowly start improving here again on MF.
> 
> DI2AM was weak too at the time I had the first copy of Rik.
> 
> 2200z is local midnight here and mid-path midnight will be almost one hour
> later.
> 
> So in fact 2125z was still "early" copy of Rik here. I expect signals would have
> improved vastly from that. This is a very typical behaviour for DI2AM signals
> during recent weeks.
> 
> The opposite situation:
> 
> In mid winter I could copy GM4SLV 24/7 on the Shetland - Vaasa path during some
> longer tests we ran.
> 
> 
> Will keep an ear on 502.95kHz during the weekend when/if I'm in the shack
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
> 
> 
> Quoting hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de:
> 
> > This is a pity. According to Rik's time table I did not listen after
> > 21.00z
> >
> > But during the summer season this seems to be necessary. No problem for
> > me, I am retired.
> >
> > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
> >
> >
> > "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
> > > Hear you calling CQ on 502.95kHz at 2125z
> > >
> > > Weak but readable, a Q4
> > >
> > >
> > > 73's
> > >
> > > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> > > Vaasa / KP03SD
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
> > >
> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and
> > > > once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
> > > > Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest
> > > > QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
> > > > I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC,
> > > > monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
> > > >
> > > > I am running 250 Watt (= 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m
> > > > long T-antenna.
> > > > Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the
> > > > theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
> > > > But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a
> > > > good part of it.
> > > >
> > > > 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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> 



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Well, now that you ask - and this is true - a friend of mine's parents built
a bomb shelter back in the early 50s when Stalin was "about to push the
button." According to Bill his parents went first rate with heat, cooling,
refrigeration, light, ventilation, cooking - all electric, but of
course......

I do appreciate this list and check it regularly even though I am inactive
here.

Thank you es 73,

Doc

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Vernon Matheson
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Do we have to build any bunkers to house the pedal communication system in?

 

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
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For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and
operated by a human.
Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated
systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
ZAPPED!!!
In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore hard
to find and destroy.

G3KEV




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Mal,

If UK stations who hold an NoV wish to experiment or research in their own
way what is wrong with that?

If they are operating & experimenting within the terms of the amateur
licence & NoV then NO PROBLEM !!

Gary - G4WGT.

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
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I can hear a stn calling CQ on 500 khz and pse qsl via EMAIL !!!!!!!!!!!!
The trend on 500 seems to be Beacon mode and reply via email or watch your
own signal on a Grabber !!!!!!
Real QSO'S on this band are very rare. Is this what was intended when
permits were issued to experiment on 500?
G3KEV




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Hi Andrey,
thanks for the screenshots on your 136kHz site. vy interesting conc the
propagation.
best regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv





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hi warren

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henny pa3cpm
best 73s


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ok nicolas,

best 73s
henny pa3cpm
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Hello Henny
  DTL =3D F4DTL QRP beacon JN18FP

  73 de F4DTL Nicolas

  Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 19/05/2008 10:04:25 Paris, Madrid, cpm@planet.nl=20=
a =E9crit :
    capture dtl?  0:25utc
    henny pa3cpm
    best 73s




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<DIV><STRONG>ok nicolas,</STRONG></DIV>
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  <DIV><STRONG>DTL =3D F4DTL QRP beacon JN18FP</STRONG></DIV>
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  <DIV>Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 19/05/2008 10:04:25 Paris, Madrid, <A     hr=
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Oh Dear, it goes on.....

Your little world is obviously CW oriented. That's all.
On the subject of qualifications - I'm not getting into this one. Apples and
Oranges.

Paul     G8GJA

  

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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: RE: ZAP


> And just why would only CW radios survive?? This is news - EMP will ONLY
> take out SSB/FM/AM radios!!
>
> As usual Mal lives in his own little world.
Bigger than you think. I worked my way around the world twice before I was
21 as a Wireless Officer and several times since.
I also experienced a H-bomb explosion on Christmas Island and have first
hand knowledge of EMP and associated effects.
No lessions please except you are better qualified than me.

G3KEV

>
> Paul     G8GJA
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> A recent newspaper report indicates a certain country building up its
> ability to ZAP all appliance communications systems ie Satellite and
> Internet systems.
> and do not forget SATNAV systems.
> Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
> national control.
> That leaves the average radio amateur appliance operator out of the comms
> business.
> Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be
the
> only source of communications in the end.
> Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF
> skills should be encouraged.
> Some might critize these observations but BEWARE
> I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance
> devices being unable to contact shore stations and only managed because
some
> senior  staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This
> could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the
500
> khz CW band and mothballed some costal stations, in fact some ships are
> still equipped with MF/HF equipment as well as Sat systems.
>
>
> G3KEV
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Victor, Willem,
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WD2XGJ will be off the next few days.

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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
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> Again a good signal Warren,
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> 73
> Victor




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Victor, Willem,<br>&nbsp; Thanks for the reports and captures!<br><br>WD2XGJ will be off the next few days.<br><br>73 WarrenK2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Victor van Kooten &lt;<a href="mailto:vvkooten@wanadoo.nl">vvkooten@wanadoo.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Again a good signal Warren,<br>
<br>
73<br>
<font color="#888888">Victor</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Thanks Warren,

I will continue to listen,maby see some Russian stations also.

73
Victor

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Warren Ziegler
  Verzonden: maandag 12 mei 2008 15:16
  Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Onderwerp: Re: LF: 137


  Victor,

      Thank you for the report!
  XGJ was on for only 40 minutes last night.

  Condx are poor.

   XGJ may be off the next few days so I can work on improvements to the
ATU.

  Will post operating details to the list...

  -
  73 Warren K2ORS
  WD2XGJ
  WD2XSH/23
  WE2XEB/2
  WE2XGR/1



  On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

    Just traces of XGJ

    73
    Victor



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<DIV><SPAN class=3D500345816-12052008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff siz=
e=3D2>I will=20
continue to listen,maby see some Russian stations also.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D500345816-12052008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
ize=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D500345816-12052008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
ize=3D2>73</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D500345816-12052008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
ize=3D2>Victor</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D500345816-12052008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
ize=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTaho=
ma     size=3D2>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----<BR><B>Van:</B>=20
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>Namens </B>Warren=20
  Ziegler<BR><B>Verzonden:</B> maandag 12 mei 2008 15:16<BR><B>Aan:</B>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Onderwerp:</B> Re: LF:=20
  137<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Victor,<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thank you for th=
e=20
  report!<BR>XGJ was on for only 40 minutes last night.<BR><BR>Condx are=20
  poor.&nbsp; <BR><BR>&nbsp;XGJ may be off the next few days so I can work o=
n=20
  improvements to the ATU.<BR><BR>Will post operating details to the=20
  list...<BR><BR>- <BR>73 Warren K2ORS<BR>WD2XGJ=20
  <BR>WD2XSH/23<BR>WE2XEB/2<BR>WE2XGR/1<BR><BR><BR>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Victor van Koote=
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  <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote     style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0p=
t 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Just=20
    traces of XGJ<BR><BR>73<BR><FONT     color=3D#888888>Victor</FONT></BLOC=
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Interesting - LF Loran isnt that hard to knock out either - a certain 
exercise was done a few years ago and a sharpshooter with a .303 (that dates 
it) took out the main feed line from over 1200 yards. Mock attacks on the 
old Decca chains in Norfolk/Suffolk were also interesting...

Yep your right some foreign governments have maintained 500kHz onshore and 
offshore especially in AsiaPac.

Laurence  KL1 X/7 Seattle

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From: "mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 5:47 PM
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> Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
> national control.
> >
> G3KEV
>
>
>
> 


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Ok Robert,

Intresting , suppose i could measure the movement , may be with a high 
series resistance as its onlt 30 uA  fsd , just need to  know the correct 
terminating load ,

Tnx - G ..


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> No attachment!!  Sorry
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Yesterday my wife Erica and myself had the pleasure of being host to 
Ralph Sutton, ZL2AOH.
Ralph is the the Finance and QSL Manager to the Quartz Hill radio club 
that has featured in many long distance LF propagation tests.
You can see more of this project by visiting

www.zl6qh.com.

Ralph and his wife Gwenda have been touring the UK since early May, 
visiting many friends and acquaintances. Today he commenced a weeks 
visit to France.

Now this is quite a punishing schedule for a young man but Ralph is 86 
years old! I will have to find out what his secret is.

Regards

Peter, G3LDO



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... bright and clear now on the TA grabber panel in Nuernberg: http://member=
s.aol.com/df6nm/Grabber.htm . Sensitivity was somewhat down last night, but=20=
back to normal after antenna rework.

73 and good luck de Markus, DF6NM

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: F4DTL@aol.com=20
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  Hello Marco and all.

  F4DTL QRP beacon "DTL" start now until 2100 UTC 137.776 QRSS60.
  10m vertical antenna (HF antenna modified without hat) and 150W=20

  All reports are welcome.

  F4DTL in JN18FP

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Yes 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Namens mal
Verzonden: Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:20 PM
Aan: rsgb
Onderwerp: [SPAM] LF: email qso

I can hear a stn calling CQ on 500 khz and pse qsl via EMAIL !!!!!!!!!!!!
The trend on 500 seems to be Beacon mode and reply via email or watch your
own signal on a Grabber !!!!!!
Real QSO'S on this band are very rare. Is this what was intended when
permits were issued to experiment on 500?
G3KEV




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Hmmm,

First, I might take some exception to the 'real radio amateurs  with CW
skills' but I'll let it pass.
What makes you think that everything else will be zapped? Simple precautions
will prevent damage and all my 'signal' inputs - antennas, audio, data,
mains are heavily protected (Filtering, MOVs, Gas discharge and, in some
cases, professional EMP protectors (or so the manufacturers assure
me.......). I am fairly confident of equipment survival - if it works for
the RN it will work for me. Maybe. And NONE of the main gear is classifiable
as 'appliance' except for the mobile tcvr (our far-eastern friends can build
things smaller than I can...). This is also, naturally, protected.
For power I have batteries for back-up and a fairly large solar array to
back them up.
It can certainly be argued that some of the data modes might make it through
under 'abnormal' ionospheric conditions when CW will not. Agreed that this
presupposes a degree of computer equipment being around - a PDA will
suffice.
As for CW being a 'quiet' mode - keyboards are also quiet and as for
foxhunts I thought the TXs were automated and could (if the rules allowed)
use (stored) voice equally well. VHF foxhunting uses voice after all.

regards,
Paul     G8GJA

-----Original Message-----
From: mal [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net]
Sent: 06 May 2008 13:36
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: ZAP


Because CW and the necessary equipment is the most direct approach, but you
have to be a real radio amateur with CW skills
Me and my world will still be going when all the appliance operators and
their digis have been Zapped.
CW is a quiet mode to operate, the only noise is a few clicks from the key
but SSB, AM etc are noisy modes and easily detected by passers by.
Voice modes are not used for radio fox hunting only CW for the same reasons.
G3KEV


----- Original Message -----
From: "Reeves Paul" <Paul.Reeves@uk.thalesgroup.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:13 AM
Subject: LF: RE: ZAP


> And just why would only CW radios survive?? This is news - EMP will ONLY
> take out SSB/FM/AM radios!!
>
> As usual Mal lives in his own little world.
>
> Paul     G8GJA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mal [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net]
> Sent: 05 May 2008 18:48
> To: rsgb
> Subject: LF: ZAP
>
>
> A recent newspaper report indicates a certain country building up its
> ability to ZAP all appliance communications systems ie Satellite and
> Internet systems.
> and do not forget SATNAV systems.
> Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
> national control.
> That leaves the average radio amateur appliance operator out of the comms
> business.
> Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be
the
> only source of communications in the end.
> Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF
> skills should be encouraged.
> Some might critize these observations but BEWARE
> I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance
> devices being unable to contact shore stations and only managed because
some
> senior  staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This
> could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the
500
> khz CW band and mothballed some costal stations, in fact some ships are
> still equipped with MF/HF equipment as well as Sat systems.
>
>
> G3KEV
>
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Hi Chris, LF,

 

Seeing & hearing your RTTY but not strong enough for decent copy.

 

I am QRT now for our meal but will look for you later.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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hi warren,

nice capture xgj  03:00utc
henny pa3cpm

best 73s




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Thanks Dave,

Warren

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
wrote:

>  Warren,
>
> Try following this link, and then clicking on one of the "locomotive "
> pages. There's an e-mail button on one of the pages.
>
> Locomotives and ELF radio seem like strange bedfellows...;-)
>
> http://www.da4e.nl/a4index.html
>
> I also think that Dave Oxnard may have some responsibilty for the site.
> Try sending mail to dave@da4e.nl.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:
> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]*On Behalf Of *Warren Ziegler
> *Sent:* 13 May 2008 03:55
> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> *Subject:* LF: Debeg 2800
>
>
> Hello the list,
>
>    Anyone have information (schematic etc) on the Debeg 2800 RX?
> Alternatively does anyone know how to contact the proprietor of the DA4E
> VLF web site:
> http://www.da4e.nl/elfspecial.html
> (The e-mail button does not work!)
>
> Thank you,
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB/2
> WE2XGR/1
>
>


-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
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Thanks Dave,<br><br>Warren<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Dave G3WCB &lt;<a href="mailto:ganymede444@btopenworld.com">ganymede444@btopenworld.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">




<div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Warren,</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Try 
following this link, and then clicking on one of the &quot;locomotive &quot; pages. 
There&#39;s an e-mail button on one of the pages. </span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Locomotives and ELF radio seem like strange 
bedfellows...;-)</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><a href="http://www.da4e.nl/a4index.html" target="_blank">http://www.da4e.nl/a4index.html</a></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">I also think that Dave Oxnard may have some responsibilty for the 
site. Try&nbsp;</font></font></font><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">sending mail to <a href="mailto:dave@da4e.nl" target="_blank">dave@da4e.nl</a>.</font></font></span></div>

<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">73, 
Dave G3WCB IO91RM</font></span></div>
<blockquote>
  <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> 
  <a href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target="_blank">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> 
  [mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target="_blank">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Warren 
  Ziegler<br><b>Sent:</b> 13 May 2008 03:55<br><b>To:</b> 
  <a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target="_blank">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> LF: Debeg 
  2800<br><br></font></div><br>Hello the list,<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Anyone have 
  information (schematic etc) on the Debeg 2800 RX?<br>Alternatively does anyone 
  know how to contact the proprietor of the DA4E VLF web site:<br><a href="http://www.da4e.nl/elfspecial.html" target="_blank">http://www.da4e.nl/elfspecial.html</a><br>(The 
  e-mail button does not work!)<br><br>Thank you,<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 
  Warren K2ORS<br>WD2XGJ 
<br>WD2XSH/23<br>WE2XEB/2<br>WE2XGR/1<br><br></blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Hi Lubos, LF,

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Thanks for screen shot. Looks good.=20

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Txing for another hour or so.

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Gary =96 G4WGT.

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Subject: LF: RE: 500 khz Testing 1W erp

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GE Gary, LF!

All is OK, I just see your signal.

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Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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Hello Roland,
As usual very good copy of your beacon signal in all modes. Peak time
between 00:00-2:00am UTC.

Regards, vy73
Marco
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roland Bruestle
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Subject: Re: LF: DI2AT 505.145KHz with PSK31/PSK08

today DI2AT is transmitting PSK31 and PSK08 on 505.145kHz from 20:00 UTC
with 70W output about 1W ERP.
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Hi Mark, LF,

 

Seeing your QRSS signal here but with QSB.

 

73,

 

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Greetings all,

Just to inform you that a new station is active on LF: Michael, DB6NT, 
located in JO50 not far away from the OK-border. Some may know him from 
his microwave activities.

I had a nice QSO with Michael in normal CW (from DK4U), when he was 
using a horizontal loop antenna with 400 meters perimeter (!) hanging in 
tree branches in a light forest nearby. Experimentation will show if 
that antenna will work better when used as a vertical antenna with a 
huge top-load. The problem may be the "green absorbers".

On Markus's directional spectrogram, DB6NT's signal is visible as a 
strong red line.
Some more LF activity (and possibly the 2nd station in his LF-log) would 
certainly be appreciated ;-)

Cheers,
  Wolf  DL4YHF .




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Dear Rik,

Also heard the end of your QSO with Chris at 21.44 UTC and your next cq
call
at 21.48 UTC and at 21.58 UTC (in a slight qsb period here).

At 22.06 UTC You called GM4ISM (your signal weak, still some qsb). But I
got that GM4ISM was also weak at your QTH.

Nothing else heard until 22.18, now send this email.

Quite an interesting evening.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB


"Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> schrieb:

> Dear Hajo,
> 
> thanks for the report.
> Just worked ON4KTJ, but even here he was only 339 over abt 70km distance.
> His QTH is Ath (abt 50km SW of Brussels).
> Maybe southcoast G's can copy him.
> 
> Anyway: my 14th station and 5th DXCC.
> 
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> 
> Quoting hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de:
> 
> > Just heard weak signals from OR7T on 502,2 kHz in eastern Bavaria, QTH
> > JN68GN;
> > at 20.40 the end of a qso with ON4??, and
> >
> > at 20.44 cq d3e OR7T
> >
> > Paul-Hendrik, tnx for your explanations. I also feel that for the time
> > being 23.00 UTC will be the optimum time for EU dx. We both have the
> > same local summer time i guess.
> >
> > Nw back to the reiceiver.
> >
> > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
> >
> > "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
> >> 500kHz propagation from western europe sets in very late (early   
> >> morning) here
> >> now, there is no complete nighttime darkness up here anymore so the D-layer
> >> gets very little rest. Midsummer is about a month away and it will be August
> >> before signals slowly start improving here again on MF.
> >>
> >> DI2AM was weak too at the time I had the first copy of Rik.
> >>
> >> 2200z is local midnight here and mid-path midnight will be almost one hour
> >> later.
> >>
> >> So in fact 2125z was still "early" copy of Rik here. I expect   
> >> signals would have
> >> improved vastly from that. This is a very typical behaviour for   
> >> DI2AM signals
> >> during recent weeks.
> >>
> >> The opposite situation:
> >>
> >> In mid winter I could copy GM4SLV 24/7 on the Shetland - Vaasa path  
> >>  during some
> >> longer tests we ran.
> >>
> >>
> >> Will keep an ear on 502.95kHz during the weekend when/if I'm in the shack
> >>
> >>
> >> 73
> >>
> >> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> >> Vaasa / KP03SD
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de:
> >>
> >> > This is a pity. According to Rik's time table I did not listen after
> >> > 21.00z
> >> >
> >> > But during the summer season this seems to be necessary. No problem for
> >> > me, I am retired.
> >> >
> >> > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
> >> > > Hear you calling CQ on 502.95kHz at 2125z
> >> > >
> >> > > Weak but readable, a Q4
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 73's
> >> > >
> >> > > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> >> > > Vaasa / KP03SD
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Quoting Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Dear all,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and
> >> > > > once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
> >> > > > Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest
> >> > > > QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
> >> > > > I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC,
> >> > > > monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I am running 250 Watt (= 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m
> >> > > > long T-antenna.
> >> > > > Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the
> >> > > > theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
> >> > > > But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a
> >> > > > good part of it.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
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Zitat von Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>:

> Hi Uwe, LF!
>
> I copy you in QRSS-60 only.
> Your signal at my location before sunrise as usual.
>
> * Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru> [Sat, 3 May 2008 04:59:08 +0400]:
>> Hello Uwe,
>> Your qrss-id 0.51z.
>> 73
>
> --
> Roman RW3ADB.
>

Hi Roman and Andrey,
thanks for the captures. so qrss3 makes it.
radiated pwr is abt 300mW ERP.
vy 73
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
PS. this night ZAN.



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No bunkers just cycle around and work /M and this has been done before or
stop and hide behind a hedge, and the manual  says do either of two things,
1. Turn the bicycle upside down,  turn the pedal  with one hand to generate
the electricity and send CW with the other.
or
2. Sit on bicycle with back wheel raised off the ground on its parking
bracket and pedal in the normal way to generate electricity, manipulate
morse key.
This is a quiet operation either way and avoids detection also cost
effective.
Preferably use low consumption radio tubes to avoid knockout from EMP that
has meantime destroyed all the satellites and associated systems.
Operator qualifications:-
Ability to send and receive morse code, use a soldering iron, able to ride a
bicycle, mechanically/electrically handy. These are all the things a Radio
Amateur used to be able to do, but todays amateurs DOUBTFUL.
One other thing, learn to do calculations manually ie division,
multiplication, subtraction and some algebra would be useful because your
electronic calculator will also be Zapped by the EMP.

G3KEV

----- Original Message -----
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> Do we have to build any bunkers to house the pedal communication system
in?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:43
> To: rsgb
> Subject: LF: Survival
>
> For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
> stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
> proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and
> operated by a human.
> Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated
> systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
> ZAPPED!!!
> In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore
hard
> to find and destroy.
>
> G3KEV
>
>
>
>
> --
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Hi Markus,  LF!

Looked RN3AGC signal on the Markus grabber!
Congratulations, Andy!

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500 Khz ... Bit out of band or may be the drive cord or something has slippe=
d ?

G ..=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:02 PM
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  To avoid clogging up the reflector please call me on 500 khz using CW and=20=
put forward your point of view. It will also be more private.
  G3KEV

    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    G3KEV,
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    Chris, G4AYT.


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>500 Khz ... </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=
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Hello Henny
DTL =3D F4DTL QRP beacon JN18FP
=20
73 de F4DTL Nicolas


Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 19/05/2008 10:04:25 Paris, Madrid, cpm@planet.nl a=20=
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=E9crit :

capture dtl?   0:25utc
henny pa3cpm
best  73s


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I heard ON7T calling CQ at 2055Z,  RST 569.
Unfortunately I was not able to call him before he went QRT.

I shall be on the band tomorrow morning from about 0800Z

73 Chris G3XIZ


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Hello Victor and LF ,
Yes , return of XES ! good copy on my grabber last night
Grabber at : http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
73 qro J-P f1afj

Victor van Kooten a =E9crit :
> Captured this night,
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No attachment!!  Sorry

Try again

http://www.hayseed.net/~jpk5lad/BIRD%20Slugs/birdslug1.htm

Robert 




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Hello Marco,
Passage still has not opened.
My grabber http://www.cln.ru/~efremov/grabber .

73
Andrey


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Smoke signals..... I would think a slight problem would be finding something 
that would burn or if you did , distinguishing it from everything else  that 
was burning ?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alberto di Bene" <dibene@usa.net>
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> Graham wrote:
>> This is diss information, you need to  preserve water and food
>>
>> The official word is  'battery'
>>
>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvR7P9heH8&feature=related
>>
>> G ..
>
>  You don't need neither a bicycle nor a battery nor a key... use smoke 
> signals !
> Every ham should be very proficient in smoke signaling.
> That should be a main topic of the license examination <VBG>
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
>
>
>


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Do you mean the type with copper-clad steel wire inside?

In that case yes - it is very good. Lightweight and has good strength. Needs
replacement from time to time depending on air pollution levels as the coppe=
r
layer is fairly thin. When/if the steel core is exposed to the elements it w=
ill
break within a short time. Be careful when stripping off the plastic insulat=
ion
or leave it on if you can manage the extra weight for very long lifetime.

I use this kind of wire for antennas myself since I started this hobby 20 ye=
ars
ago and

In Finland it is hard to buy these days but scrap rolls can be had for almos=
t
free from the local telephone workshop. A bag of coffee-bread can do wonders=
 on
a Friday afternoon ;-)

Can you simly ask for scrap wire from a decommissioned line?


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ


Quoting Peter Dodd <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>:

> BT telephone drop wire seems to be very good material for antenna wire.
> Does anyone know where you can buy it?
>
> Regards
>
>
> Peter         G3LDO
>
>
>




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Hi Rik,

playing with your figures for current and resistance, one=C2=A0finds that th=
e=C2=A0poor little twig=C2=A0would have dissipated 91 watts. Makes me=C2=A0w=
orry whether=C2=A0it could=C2=A0have started a bushfire... During a fieldday=
 a couple of years ago, we ignited bits of dry grass on the LF antenna wire=20=
for demonstration, which=C2=A0did create=C2=A0some respect for RF voltage am=
ongst the bystanders.

73 and best of luck
Markus, DF6NM


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20
Von: Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Verschickt: Do., 29. Mai. 2008, 9:37
Thema: LF: antenna losses


Dear all,=C2=A0
=C2=A0
as I tried to tune my 500 kHz antenna last right I noticed that it was detun=
ed by about 1.5 kHz (from 503 tot 501.5) and that the antenna current was do=
wn to 1.8 A (from 2.1 A).=C2=A0
A first visual control of the antenna revealed no possible cause. So I start=
ed to check the coax cables and variometer, but all was OK there.=C2=A0
During a second visual control (it was already getting dark) I noticed that=20=
a small branch of one of the surrounding trees was cracked (probably during=20=
a thunderstorm the night before) and just one leaf was touching the antenna=20=
wire. By gently pulling the downlead wire of the antenna a few times the cra=
cked branch moved a bit and the leaves were now about 20 cm from the antenna=
 wire. Now the antenna was back to 503 kHz and the antenna current back to 2=
.1 A.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Of course I know that the antenna wire should not touch any greenery, but I=20=
was surprised of the rather large effect of just one (meanwhile dry) leave t=
ouching the antenna wire (that has 1mm plastic isolation).=C2=A0
=C2=A0
The loss resistance of my antenna system now is 78 Ohm, including 10 Ohm coi=
l losses (with no touching leaves).=C2=A0
Few weeks ago I increased the height of the top wire from 9 m to 11 m, what=20=
slightly increase the loss from 73 to 78 Ohm.=C2=A0
This is would bring the signal about 0.3 dB down, but is more than compensat=
ed by the increase of the radiation resistance (+1.7 dB)=C2=A0
=C2=A0
During the first tests in February (with the 9m high antenna) I measured a l=
oss of 55 Ohm, so the is a seasonal variation almost 20 Ohm (or 1.2 dB).=C2=
=A0
=C2=A0
73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=C2=A0
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Hi Rik,<br>
<br>
playing with your figures for current and resistance, one&nbsp;finds that th=
e&nbsp;poor little twig&nbsp;would have dissipated 91 watts. Makes me&nbsp;w=
orry whether&nbsp;it could&nbsp;have started a bushfire... During a fieldday=
 a couple of years ago, we ignited bits of dry grass on the LF antenna wire=20=
for demonstration, which&nbsp;did create&nbsp;some respect for RF voltage am=
ongst the bystanders.<br>
<br>
73 and best of luck<br>
Markus, DF6NM<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- <br>
Von: Rik Strobbe &lt;rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;<br>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
Verschickt: Do., 29. Mai. 2008, 9:37<br>
Thema: LF: antenna losses<br>
<br>


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s-Serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff">Dear all,&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
as I tried to tune my 500 kHz antenna last right I noticed that it was detun=
ed by about 1.5 kHz (from 503 tot 501.5) and that the antenna current was do=
wn to 1.8 A (from 2.1 A).&nbsp;<br>
A first visual control of the antenna revealed no possible cause. So I start=
ed to check the coax cables and variometer, but all was OK there.&nbsp;<br>
During a second visual control (it was already getting dark) I noticed that=20=
a small branch of one of the surrounding trees was cracked (probably during=20=
a thunderstorm the night before) and just one leaf was touching the antenna=20=
wire. By gently pulling the downlead wire of the antenna a few times the cra=
cked branch moved a bit and the leaves were now about 20 cm from the antenna=
 wire. Now the antenna was back to 503 kHz and the antenna current back to 2=
.1 A.&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Of course I know that the antenna wire should not touch any greenery, but I=20=
was surprised of the rather large effect of just one (meanwhile dry) leave t=
ouching the antenna wire (that has 1mm plastic isolation).&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
The loss resistance of my antenna system now is 78 Ohm, including 10 Ohm coi=
l losses (with no touching leaves).&nbsp;<br>
Few weeks ago I increased the height of the top wire from 9 m to 11 m, what=20=
slightly increase the loss from 73 to 78 Ohm.&nbsp;<br>
This is would bring the signal about 0.3 dB down, but is more than compensat=
ed by the increase of the radiation resistance (+1.7 dB)&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
During the first tests in February (with the 9m high antenna) I measured a l=
oss of 55 Ohm, so the is a seasonal variation almost 20 Ohm (or 1.2 dB).&nbs=
p;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
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What frequency ?

Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

> Hi Mark, LF,
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>
>
> Seeing your QRSS signal here but with QSB.
>
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>
> 73,
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> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
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Hi Henny,

Yes, still QRV on 187.37475 kHz QRSS120 for 10 minutes on the hour.

73 and thanks for the reports, even if you are not copying it.

Joe

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> hi joe,
>
> are jou stil l transmitting joe,nothing seen here,i look 24 hours a day
>
> henny pa3cpm
> 73s


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Has anyone else noticed what is happening on LF/MF. Operate a beacon and get
a report via email.
This is NOT amateur radio.
The same old senario daily. Take away the internet appliance operator
facility and LF/MF would cease. Not the case on the other amateur
frequencies.
How can this possibly qualify as experimental TWO way radio
communications!!!!!!!!!!!
Licencing authorities WAKE UP !!
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Updated my website http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm with captures of 
G3XIZ, F4DTL, RN3AGC, UA4WPF and WD2XSH taken last night.

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Hartmut
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Hi Gary,

my grabber is based on a very useful commandline FTP utility called WCL_FTP,=
 by Ken Anderson. It is run by SpecLab's periodic actions.

Best regards,
Markus (DF6NM)

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
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  Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 7:56 PM
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  Hi LF,

  =20

  What is the software for uploading screen shots to a grabber page of a web=
site ?

  =20

  As I run a Softrock receiver 24/7 I will give it a try & set up a grabber.

  =20

  Any hints & tips will be appreciated from the experienced users.

  =20

  73,

  =20

  Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>my grabber&nbsp;is based&nbsp;on&nbsp;a ver=
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commandline FTP utility called WCL_FTP, by Ken Anderson. It is&nbsp;run=20
by&nbsp;SpecLab's periodic actions.</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Uwe,

The screen grab was timed at 2025utc on 06/05/2008.

Gary - G4WGT.

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Hi Gary,
nisce pic. thanks. have you got the hour?
regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv


Zitat von Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

> Hi LF,
>
>
>
> Just been going thro' my SpecLab captures which had mounted up, here is
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> worth showing to the group from the 6th May 2008.
>
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>
>
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> 73,
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> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
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Hello Gary,

nice to see my signal on the grabber

> There is no auto refresh as yet until I find out how
> to do that so any viewers will have to manually refresh the page. The upload
> is set at 5 minute periods.
Just add the line

<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="60">

between <head> and </head> in the html code

> Please e-mail any comments, good, bad or otherwise so that I can carry out
> any changes and improvements for users benefit.
My penny worth:
On the website you are loosing a lot of resolution on the graber  
picture because the dimensions of the picture are 900 by 722, while it  
is squeezed to 694 by 557 on the website.
On http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/capt501-5.jpg all details are revealed.
I would prefer to see the picture in it's full glory on the site.

Thanks for making the grabber available to us.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

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Alberto di Bene wrote:
> Every ham should be very proficient in smoke signaling.
> That should be a main topic of the license examination <VBG>

Yes! I would like to hear QUP2 more often on the bands.

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Sorry about the mistake but glad to know you are doing some research. Maybe
you already have the bicycle!!!!!! that would be a start.

----- Original Message -----
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> For stormyarcher , read sturmey-archer
>
> Just a little telegraphic distortion creeping in ?
>
> http://www.sturmey-archer.com/
>
> something a little closer to  home ?
>
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCdIe0wdvU
>
>
>
> G..
>
>
>
> > Do we have to build any bunkers to house the pedal communication system
> > in?
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:43
> > To: rsgb
> > Subject: LF: Survival
> >
> > For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
> > stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
> > proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap
and
> > operated by a human.
> > Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or
associated
> > systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
> > ZAPPED!!!
> > In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore
> > hard
> > to find and destroy.
> >
> > G3KEV
> >
> >
> >
>
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hi all,

only noise and loran lines


73 Eberhard   jo53po



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Marco , not all of these work all of the time hihi :-

http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/500-khz-grabbers



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scholz, Marco " <marco.scholz@citi.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 9:13 PM
Subject: AW: LF: RE: Re: RE: G4WGT grabber


> Hello Gary,
> Nice to have back a working 500KHz Grabber. It works fine, thanks.
>
> vy73
> Marco
> DD7PC
>
>
> ----- Originalnachricht -----
> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
> <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Gesendet: Sun May 25 16:18:10 2008
> Betreff: LF: RE: Re: RE: G4WGT grabber
>
> Hi Alan, LF,
>
> For you Alan & others who may have missed the G4WGT 500 KHz Grabber URL
> previously :-
>
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber.html
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Hi Gary can you re send the URL ??
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>


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Victor, Eberhard,
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David,

   A new kit?

73 Warren K2ORS


On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 3:13 AM, <G0MRF@aol.com> wrote:

>  In a message dated 30/05/2008 19:26:26 GMT Standard Time,
> daveyxm@googlemail.com writes:
>
> Dear all
>
> It's that time again.. I need news for the next Radcom LF column. What have
> you been working/building/hearing on LF/MF?
> Please let me know to this address or g3yxm at wireless dot org dot uk
>
> 73
> Dave.
> --
> G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK
>
>  Hi Dave.
>
> Thanks for the text yesterday.
> Short answer is that I have 90% of the kit parts. Perhaps more.
> Importantly, I have a PCB all ferrites and the semiconductors.  I may be
> short of 1 capacitor in the low pass and a couple of resistors. Other than
> that, yes I have a kit.  -  Does he need the oscillator part or will he use
> an external DDS source with better calibration?
>
> Thanks
>
> David
>



-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
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David,<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; A new kit?<br><br>73 Warren K2ORS<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 3:13 AM,  &lt;<a href="mailto:G0MRF@aol.com">G0MRF@aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">




<div style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial;"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">
<div>
<div>In a message dated 30/05/2008 19:26:26 GMT Standard Time, 
<a href="mailto:daveyxm@googlemail.com" target="_blank">daveyxm@googlemail.com</a> writes:</div>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">Dear 
  all<br><br>It&#39;s that time again.. I need news for the next Radcom LF column. 
  What have you been working/building/hearing on LF/MF?<br>Please let me know to 
  this address or g3yxm at wireless dot org dot uk<br clear="all"><br>73<br>Dave.<br>-- <br>G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK 
</font></blockquote></div>
<div></div>
</div></div><div>Hi Dave.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks for the text yesterday.</div>
<div>Short answer is that I have 90% of the kit parts. Perhaps more.&nbsp;&nbsp; 
Importantly, I have a PCB all ferrites and the semiconductors.&nbsp; I may be 
short of 1 capacitor in the low pass and a couple of resistors. Other than that, 
yes I have a kit.&nbsp; -&nbsp; Does he need the oscillator part or will he use 
an external DDS source with better calibration?&nbsp;&nbsp; </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>David</div></font>   </div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Reeves Paul" <Paul.Reeves@uk.thalesgroup.com>
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> And just why would only CW radios survive?? This is news - EMP will ONLY
> take out SSB/FM/AM radios!!
>
> As usual Mal lives in his own little world.
Bigger than you think. I worked my way around the world twice before I was
21 as a Wireless Officer and several times since.
I also experienced a H-bomb explosion on Christmas Island and have first
hand knowledge of EMP and associated effects.
No lessions please except you are better qualified than me.

G3KEV

>
> Paul     G8GJA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mal [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net]
> Sent: 05 May 2008 18:48
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> A recent newspaper report indicates a certain country building up its
> ability to ZAP all appliance communications systems ie Satellite and
> Internet systems.
> and do not forget SATNAV systems.
> Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
> national control.
> That leaves the average radio amateur appliance operator out of the comms
> business.
> Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be
the
> only source of communications in the end.
> Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF
> skills should be encouraged.
> Some might critize these observations but BEWARE
> I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance
> devices being unable to contact shore stations and only managed because
some
> senior  staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This
> could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the
500
> khz CW band and mothballed some costal stations, in fact some ships are
> still equipped with MF/HF equipment as well as Sat systems.
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hi Nicolas.

some late, but cpy the rest of your transmission in JO51TQ.

73 Ed DL2HRE

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There is enough CW acty on 500 at present for a QSO plus xband working.
Recent stn worked G3XIZ, G3DXZ,G3UNT, G3XPU, SM6BHZ  plus OE/PA/DL/LA and
Russian stns xband but to mention a few.
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Hi LF,

 

I recently wrote to LF regarding setting up a grabber.

 

Well the time has arrived, I would like 500 KHz operators to have a look at
my prototype grabber. There is no auto refresh as yet until I find out how
to do that so any viewers will have to manually refresh the page. The upload
is set at 5 minute periods.

 

Please e-mail any comments, good, bad or otherwise so that I can carry out
any changes and improvements for users benefit.

 

The grabber will operate 24/7 covering a frequency range from 501.000 KHz to
505.600 KHz.

 

There could be times that the grabber is disrupted due to whatever
operations I am conducting in the shack, such as transmitting on 500 KHZ
etc.

 

The "G4WGT 500 KHz Grabber" is at :-

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber.html

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>I recently wrote to LF regardin=
g setting up
a grabber.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Well the time has arrived, I wo=
uld like 500
KHz operators to have a look at my prototype grabber. There is no auto refre=
sh
as yet until I find out how to do that so any viewers will have to manually
refresh the page. The upload is set at 5 minute periods.<o:p></o:p></span></=
font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Please e-mail any comments, goo=
d, bad or
otherwise so that I can carry out any changes and improvements for users
benefit.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>The grabber will operate 24/7 c=
overing a
frequency range from 501.000 KHz to 505.600 KHz.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b=
></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>There could be times that the g=
rabber is disrupted
due to whatever operations I am conducting in the shack, such as transmittin=
g
on 500 KHZ etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>The &#8220;G4WGT 500 KHz Grabbe=
r&#8221; is
at :-<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgta=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
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</strong><o:p></o:p></p>

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Hi Uwe!

What antenna in use for TX?
QRB to own side ~1790 km.

Roman


* uwe-jannsen@versanet.de [Sat,  3 May 2008 22:45:24 +0200]:
> Zitat von Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>:
>
> > Hi Uwe, LF!
> >
> > I copy you in QRSS-60 only.
> > Your signal at my location before sunrise as usual.
> >
> > * Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru> [Sat, 3 May 2008 04:59:08 +0400]:
> >> Hello Uwe,
> >> Your qrss-id 0.51z.
> >> 73
> >
> > --
> > Roman RW3ADB.
> >
>
> Hi Roman and Andrey,
> thanks for the captures. so qrss3 makes it.
> radiated pwr is abt 300mW ERP.
> vy 73
> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
> PS. this night ZAN.
>
>

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Graham wrote:
> This is diss information, you need to  preserve water and food
> 
> The official word is  'battery'
> 
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvR7P9heH8&feature=related
> 
> G ..

  You don't need neither a bicycle nor a battery nor a key... use smoke signals !
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Hello Marcus,

the cracked branch "connected" my antenna to a repectable birch tree, =20
so I not quite sure wether the 91 Watt was entirely dissipated by the =20
leave.

And I think that I wouldn't be the first one to start a fire that way.

Anyway, I alway tune the antenna on low power (25 W) resulting in just =20
a few 100 mA antenna current. Only after that I switch to full power =20
(350 W) and as I noticed that the antenna current was low I only =20
transmitted for a few seconds.
Maybe the alternative solution would have been to give a long 350 W =20
carrier and just burn the leave.

At this moment it is rainy, so no transmitting tonight.

73, Rik  ON7YD

Quoting Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>:

> Hi Rik,
>
> playing with your figures for current and resistance, one=C2=A0finds that=20=
=20
>  the=C2=A0poor little twig=C2=A0would have dissipated 91 watts. Makes me=
=C2=A0worry =20
>  whether=C2=A0it could=C2=A0have started a bushfire... During a fieldday a=
  =20
> couple of years ago, we ignited bits of dry grass on the LF antenna  =20
> wire for demonstration, which=C2=A0did create=C2=A0some respect for RF vol=
tage =20
>  amongst the bystanders.
>
> 73 and best of luck
> Markus, DF6NM
>
>
> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
> Von: Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Verschickt: Do., 29. Mai. 2008, 9:37
> Thema: LF: antenna losses
>
>
> Dear all,=C2=A0
> =C2=A0
> as I tried to tune my 500 kHz antenna last right I noticed that it  =20
> was detuned by about 1.5 kHz (from 503 tot 501.5) and that the  =20
> antenna current was down to 1.8 A (from 2.1 A).=C2=A0
> A first visual control of the antenna revealed no possible cause. So =20
>  I started to check the coax cables and variometer, but all was OK  =20
> there.=C2=A0
> During a second visual control (it was already getting dark) I  =20
> noticed that a small branch of one of the surrounding trees was  =20
> cracked (probably during a thunderstorm the night before) and just  =20
> one leaf was touching the antenna wire. By gently pulling the  =20
> downlead wire of the antenna a few times the cracked branch moved a  =20
> bit and the leaves were now about 20 cm from the antenna wire. Now  =20
> the antenna was back to 503 kHz and the antenna current back to 2.1  =20
> A.=C2=A0
> =C2=A0
> Of course I know that the antenna wire should not touch any  =20
> greenery, but I was surprised of the rather large effect of just one =20
>  (meanwhile dry) leave touching the antenna wire (that has 1mm  =20
> plastic isolation).=C2=A0
> =C2=A0
> The loss resistance of my antenna system now is 78 Ohm, including 10 =20
>  Ohm coil losses (with no touching leaves).=C2=A0
> Few weeks ago I increased the height of the top wire from 9 m to 11  =20
> m, what slightly increase the loss from 73 to 78 Ohm.=C2=A0
> This is would bring the signal about 0.3 dB down, but is more than  =20
> compensated by the increase of the radiation resistance (+1.7 dB)=C2=A0
> =C2=A0
> During the first tests in February (with the 9m high antenna) I  =20
> measured a loss of 55 Ohm, so the is a seasonal variation almost 20  =20
> Ohm (or 1.2 dB).=C2=A0
> =C2=A0
> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=C2=A0
> =C2=A0
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Victor,

    Thank you for the report!
XGJ was on for only 40 minutes last night.

Condx are poor.

 XGJ may be off the next few days so I can work on improvements to the ATU.

Will post operating details to the list...

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Victor,<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thank you for the report!<br>XGJ was on for only 40 minutes last night.<br><br>Condx are poor.&nbsp; <br><br>&nbsp;XGJ may be off the next few days so I can work on improvements to the ATU.<br><br>Will post operating details to the list...<br>
<br>- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Victor van Kooten &lt;<a href="mailto:vvkooten@wanadoo.nl">vvkooten@wanadoo.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Just traces of XGJ<br>
<br>
73<br>
<font color="#888888">Victor</font></blockquote></div><br><br> 

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Hi Mark, LF,

 

Just been going thro' my SpecLab captures which had mounted up, here is one
worth showing to the group from the 6th May 2008.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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nothing seen joe,
best 73s
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Thank you Henny for the capture!
Thanks to Jean-Pierre and Markus for the grabbers!

WD2XGJ off tonight - Thunderstorms!

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ



2008/5/31 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:

>  *hi warren,*
> *nice capture xgj*
> *o4:00 utc*
> *rec:r&s ek891*
> *antenne sloper 10 meter*
> *henny pa3cpm*
> *best 73s*
> **
>
> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
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73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
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Thank you Henny for the capture!<br>Thanks to Jean-Pierre and Markus for the grabbers!<br><br>WD2XGJ off tonight - Thunderstorms!<br><br>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/5/31 henny van elst &lt;<a href="mailto:cpm@planet.nl">cpm@planet.nl</a>&gt;:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">hi warren,</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">nice capture xgj</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">o4:00 utc</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">rec:r&amp;s ek891</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">antenne sloper 10 
meter</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">henny pa3cpm</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">best 73s</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></b>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen 
worden verzonden:<br>xgj3105.jpg<br><br>Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma&#39;s 
staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde 
bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail 
als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.</div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Hi Chris, LF,

 

Seeing your RTTY (no decode) & just hearing your CW ID at a little after
1800utc.

 

I have stoked up the gear so I will watch the frequency, screen shot
attached, your signal amongst the lightning crashes.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Hi Chris, LF,<o:p></o:p></span>=
</font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Seeing your RTTY (no decode) &a=
mp; just
hearing your CW ID at a little after 1800utc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></=
p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>I have stoked up the gear so I=20=
will watch
the frequency, screen shot attached, your signal amongst the lightning crash=
es.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'f=
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</strong><o:p></o:p></p>

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Hi all,

18:15..18:30    worming up DTL ? 
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Dear Rik, 

when I had been the wireless operator of DCUW in 1957 the sailors once
had set up a sunsail in a way that it touched the downlead of the ship's
T-aerial. It had not been possible to tune the aerial on MF using the
variometer of the MF transmitter! On HF, where the T-aerial has also
been employed, tuning was normal.

We all would regard a sunsail a "non-conducting" device, but for an
aerial with a typical impedance of about 50000 ohms the effect was
obvious.

HW?

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB


"Rik Strobbe" <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> schrieb:
> Dear all,
> 
> as I tried to tune my 500 kHz antenna last right I noticed that it 
> was detuned by about 1.5 kHz (from 503 tot 501.5) and that the 
> antenna current was down to 1.8 A (from 2.1 A).
> A first visual control of the antenna revealed no possible cause. So 
> I started to check the coax cables and variometer, but all was OK there.
> During a second visual control (it was already getting dark) I 
> noticed that a small branch of one of the surrounding trees was 
> cracked (probably during a thunderstorm the night before) and just 
> one leaf was touching the antenna wire. By gently pulling the 
> downlead wire of the antenna a few times the cracked branch moved a 
> bit and the leaves were now about 20 cm from the antenna wire. Now 
> the antenna was back to 503 kHz and the antenna current back to 2.1 A.
> 
> Of course I know that the antenna wire should not touch any greenery, 
> but I was surprised of the rather large effect of just one (meanwhile 
> dry) leave touching the antenna wire (that has 1mm plastic isolation).
> 
> The loss resistance of my antenna system now is 78 Ohm, including 10 
> Ohm coil losses (with no touching leaves).
> Few weeks ago I increased the height of the top wire from 9 m to 11 
> m, what slightly increase the loss from 73 to 78 Ohm.
> This is would bring the signal about 0.3 dB down, but is more than 
> compensated by the increase of the radiation resistance (+1.7 dB)
> 
> During the first tests in February (with the 9m high antenna) I 
> measured a loss of 55 Ohm, so the is a seasonal variation almost 20 
> Ohm (or 1.2 dB).
> 
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> 
> 
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Subject: LF: Some more signal on 137KHz on 1./2.May
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Hello,
Sawing the signal report from Markus, DF6NM and checked my print screens
again.
YO in DFCW -> strong signal at 21:35 - 21:28, but only this 2 characters
copied (see attachment)=20
AGC -> i see a permant signal, but to weak to decode

vy73
Marco
DD7PC
JN49ax, RX: Yaesu FT-857, G0MRF 137KHz Preamp, PA0DRT MiniWhip

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Subject: LF: Xgj 1./2.May

Hello,
saw 4 characters between 3:00-3:55am UTC - 2 of them can be identified
as "X G" (see attached picture).

vy73
Marco
DD7PC

mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de
http://dd7pc.qsl.nu

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Sorry, the sentence should have read


"This increased the tensile strength of hard drawn copper by 50% from 20 
tons psi to 30 tons psi"
> many thanks to those who replied to my email regarding telephone drop 
> wire.
>
> The material I have is not copper coated steel wire - it looks like 
> copper material all through.
> The conductors are 1mm diameter and the black insulation is about 
> 1.25mm thick. The pair of wires are 2.5mm apart. I have used it as 
> twin feeder to an OCFD for the HF band to good effect.
> G3JMG, in an article in RadCom March 1970 noted that BT had their own 
> recipe for the conductors of drop wire: an addition of one per cent 
> cadmium to the basic copper mix. This increased the tensile strength 
> of hard drawn copper by 50% from 30 tons psi to 30 tons psi. This also 
> increased the DC resistance by about 20%.
>
> regards
>
> Peter, G3LDO
>> On 16 May 2008 at 7:08, Laurence KL1X wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> ..........I never had to deal
>>>  with open wire spans by the time of my apprecticeship but I think
>>>  that was very similar physically.
>>>     
>>
>> There was some open wire around when I was a BT (Post Office) 
>> apprentice. It was solid copper wire. As I recall, dropwire (steel 
>> with a thin copper coating) had a limit to its usable length because 
>> it had a higher DC resistance than open wire. This resistance may not 
>> be high in relation to other losses on an LF Marconi, but it would 
>> rule out its use in a transmitting loop antenna.
>>
>> Mike, G3XDV
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>
>
>
>



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Warren,captured your signal at 3:00z

73

Victor

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Peter, LF,

I got mine as scrap from a telephone engineer many years ago.

I have used it as twin balanced feeder with a HF trap dipole & an inverted V
& worked very well. The drop wire I had only had one wire copper coated
(don't know why). It is strong & light & was told that it is about 72 ohms
as a balanced feeder.


Gary - G4WGT.

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BT telephone drop wire seems to be very good material for antenna wire.
Does anyone know where you can buy it?

Regards


Peter         G3LDO




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=20
Hello Victor,
=20
PA output 100 W (IRFP450 MOSFET)
Antenna 10m vertical without capacitive hat.
I dont know the real ERP but some =B5W sure.
=20
If good weather saturday evening and night,possible tests with 60m  vertical=
=20
wire pull up by helium balloon.QRSS60 beacon and QRSS3  for contacts.
=20
Best regards Victor and thanx for yur screen capture.
=20
F4DTL JN18FP
=20
Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 01/05/2008 10:40:22 Paris, Madrid, =20
vvkooten@wanadoo.nl a =E9crit :

Hello Nicolas,what is your  output,estimated erp??
=20
73
=20
Victor

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Hello, DTL =3D F4DTL QRP test beacon.
=20
F4DTL in  JN18FP










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<DIV>Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 01/05/2008 10:40:22 Paris, Madrid,=20
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  output,estimated erp??</SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D296213808-01052008>73</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D296213808-01052008></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D296213808-01052008>Victor</SPAN></DIV>
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Hi LF,

Thanks to John, Mark & Roman for the suggestions & tips. I will look at the
suggested software & make a choice of which to use.

I will notify the web address of the grabber if I am successful !!

73,
 
Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.




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ok joe,

best 73s

henny cpm.



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> Hi Henny,
> 
> Yes, still QRV on 187.37475 kHz QRSS120 for 10 minutes on the hour.
> 
> 73 and thanks for the reports, even if you are not copying it.
> 
> Joe
> 
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008, henny van elst wrote:
> 
>> hi joe,
>>
>> are jou stil l transmitting joe,nothing seen here,i look 24 hours a day
>>
>> henny pa3cpm
>> 73s
>


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Dear all,

a circuit diagram and brief description of my 500 kHz antenna bridge 
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73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Chris,

I guess you meant OR7T.
I am finnaly QRV again on 500.
If WX keeps dry I will CQ once in a while this evening, starting  
around 19.30 UT (when it gets dark).

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>:

> I heard ON7T calling CQ at 2055Z,  RST 569.
> Unfortunately I was not able to call him before he went QRT.
>
> I shall be on the band tomorrow morning from about 0800Z
>
> 73 Chris G3XIZ
>
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BT telephone drop wire seems to be very good material for antenna wire.
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30.04.08/01.05.08:
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Thanx dear Marco for yur screen capture.



Best regards and nice week end.

F4DTL Nicolas




Hello Nicolas,

good copy last night of your beacon in JN49.

=C2=A0

vy73

Marco

DD7PC

=C2=A0

Rx: Yaesu FT857, G0MRF Preamp and PA0DRT Miniwhip antenna





-----E-mail d'origine-----
De : Scholz, Marco <marco.scholz@citi.com>
A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Sujet : LF: RE: F4DTL beacon DTL new test



Hello Nicolas,

good copy last night of your beacon in JN49.

=C2=A0

vy73

Marco

DD7PC

=C2=A0

Rx: Yaesu FT857, G0MRF Preamp and PA0DRT Miniwhip antenna


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Special thanx to Victor PA3FNY, Eberhard, Jean-Pierre F1AFJ and Hartmut Wolf=
f for reports of last night.

=C2=A0

This evening new test with a=C2=A0modified Z transformer (THT TV core)=C2=
=A0and 130W QRSS60.

Always my small vertical antenna (10m without capacitive hat)

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Monitoring : http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm


=C2=A0

F4DTL in JN18FP





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<div>Thanx dear Marco for yur screen capture.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Best regards and nice week end.</div>


<div><STRONG>F4DTL Nicolas<br>
</STRONG><br>
</div>

<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid">

<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>Hello Nicolas,<=
/SPAN></div>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>good copy last=20=
night of your beacon in JN49.</SPAN></div>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008></SPAN>&nbsp;</=
div>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>vy73</SPAN></di=
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<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>Marco</SPAN></d=
iv>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>DD7PC</SPAN></d=
iv>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008></SPAN>&nbsp;</=
div>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>Rx: Yaesu FT857=
, G0MRF Preamp and PA0DRT Miniwhip antenna</SPAN></div>
<br>
</BLOCKQUOTE><br>
<br>
<br>
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A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
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Sujet : LF: RE: F4DTL beacon DTL new test<br>
<br>


<div id=3DAOLMsgPart_3_afe56570-a3f8-4e0b-8e51-1bd2c4bff5f3>

<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>Hello Nicolas,<=
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<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>good copy last=20=
night of your beacon in JN49.</SPAN></div>


<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008></SPAN>&nbsp;</=
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<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>vy73</SPAN></di=
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<div dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D439132008-09052008>Rx: Yaesu FT857=
, G0MRF Preamp and PA0DRT Miniwhip antenna</SPAN></div>
<br>


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<div>Special thanx to Victor PA3FNY, Eberhard, Jean-Pierre F1AFJ and Hartmut=
 Wolff for reports of last night.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div><STRONG>This evening new test with a&nbsp;modified Z transformer (THT T=
V core)&nbsp;and 130W QRSS60.</STRONG></div>


<div>Always my small vertical antenna (10m without capacitive hat)</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Monitoring : <A target=3D_blank __removedLink__1868118684__href=3D"http=
://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm">http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Gra=
bber.htm</A></div>


<div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div><FONT lang=3D1 face=3DArial><B>F4DTL in JN18FP<br>
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Thanx Dave,Hartmut,Marco,Victor and Eberhard for yur reports.
 
Test are stopped until the making of a new loading coil with  variometer.
 
F4DTL in JN18FP
 
 

LF, Nicolas,
 
F4DTL received last night in QRSS60 mode.  Antenna 1,2m tuned loop, RX ICOM 
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* F4DTL@aol.com [Fri, 23 May 2008 13:14:28 EDT]:
> Thanks to all for the reports yesterday,F1AFJ and his
> grabber,DL2HRE,DD7PC,PA3FNY,F5WK,F4ERO and Hartmut.
>
> Tests are stopped,strongs thunderstorms estimated in France for this
> week
> end.

It's a pity, Nicolas(
We are waiting prop to Moscow side after 0200 Moscow LT, but your stop=20
transmission after 1900z.
Hope to see you in Moscou!


> Best regards F4DTL Nicolas
--
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Thanx to all friends for the reports last night,strong signal received by  
Hartmut.
 
New test with my LPF modified, the capacitors changed  due to increased 
temperature inside at 200W.
Marco DD7PC i hope to see yur signal next time.
 
Regards F4DTL JN18FP



   

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hi joe,
capture vo1na
henny pa3cpm

73s



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Hi Gary,
nisce pic. thanks. have you got the hour?
regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv


Zitat von Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

> Hi LF,
>
>
>
> Just been going thro' my SpecLab captures which had mounted up, here is one
> worth showing to the group from the 6th May 2008.
>
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> 73,
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> Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.
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>





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Tell me a story before I go to bed !!!!!!!!!!!!
"BEACON HELL" thats what the author calls it. The trouble is I have
forgotton his name.
There is a loose connection with 500 khz CW and how to wipe out RADIO
AMATEURS trying to have a normal CW QSO. You must read it !!


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Dear Rik,

tried to copy You by ear tonight but nil. 

Even DI2AM cannot be heard before 20.00 UTC here in eastern Bavaria,
JN68GN.

But I will listen the following evenings too.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB

"Rik Strobbe" <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> schrieb:
> Dear all,
> 
> I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and 
> once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
> Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest 
> QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
> I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC, 
> monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
> 
> I am running 250 Watt (= 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m 
> long T-antenna.
> Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the 
> theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
> But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a 
> good part of it.
> 
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> 
> 
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For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and
operated by a human.
Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated
systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
ZAPPED!!!
In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore hard
to find and destroy.

G3KEV




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The same here,

73
Victor

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens "Eberhard
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Verzonden: zaterdag 10 mei 2008 6:47
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Onderwerp: LF: 137 nil


hi all,

only noise and loran lines


73 Eberhard   jo53po





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On 06/05/2008 at 09:18 Dave Pick wrote:

>Back to mono!
>Down with digits!
>Hooray for caves!

But cave radio uses SSB (or sometimes sophisticated digital speech).

John F5VLF





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Hello the list,

   Anyone have information (schematic etc) on the Debeg 2800 RX?
Alternatively does anyone know how to contact the proprietor of the DA4E VLF
web site:
http://www.da4e.nl/elfspecial.html
(The e-mail button does not work!)

Thank you,

-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
WE2XGR/1

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<br>Hello the list,<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Anyone have information (schematic etc) on the Debeg 2800 RX?<br>Alternatively does anyone know how to contact the proprietor of the DA4E VLF web site:<br><a href="http://www.da4e.nl/elfspecial.html">http://www.da4e.nl/elfspecial.html</a><br>
(The e-mail button does not work!)<br><br>Thank you,<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Hi John and LF,

the Sylt Loran-C transmitter apparently went off?air on?May 23rd, 12:00 UT.?I have seen no trace?of 7499-M since then, though the other stations?in this chain are still active.?Presumably?the?second rate?from Sylt (6731-Z) is also down but I haven't checked that.?I have?temporarily reconfigured?my monitor to sync on Lessay instead:

?http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/LoranView/LoranView_0805.htm

Kind regards
Markus, DF6NM



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Does anyone know for certain whether this is still functioning? I have had an enquiry about it, but here in Burgundy I would not expect to be able to confirm its presence without a specialised receiver.?
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John F5VLF?

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Hi John and LF,<br>
<br>
the Sylt Loran-C transmitter apparently went off&nbsp;air on&nbsp;May 23rd, 12:00 UT.&nbsp;I have seen no trace&nbsp;of 7499-M since then, though the other stations&nbsp;in this chain are still active.&nbsp;Presumably&nbsp;the&nbsp;second rate&nbsp;from Sylt (6731-Z) is also down but I haven't checked that.&nbsp;I have&nbsp;temporarily reconfigured&nbsp;my monitor to sync on Lessay instead:<br>
<br>
&nbsp;<A href="http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/LoranView/LoranView_0805.htm">http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/LoranView/LoranView_0805.htm</A><br>
<br>
Kind regards<br>
Markus, DF6NM<br>
<br>


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Does anyone know for certain whether this is still functioning? I have had an enquiry about it, but here in Burgundy I would not expect to be able to confirm its presence without a specialised receiver.&nbsp;<br>
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73&nbsp;<br>
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Hello Chris
Beacons can be useful the odd time but some are left on continuously for day=
s. One weekend there was a chorous of beacons and some remained on for over=20=
a week just generating qrm.
GI3PDN, GI4DPE, GM4SLV, GW4HXO and a G3 in Norfolk, cannot remember his call=
. I cannot see the necessity for this when they are all capable of working a=
 two way QSO on CW, then leaving the frequencies clear for others. I only wo=
rk two way QSO mode and QSX on 3533/7033 khz for replies from those without=20=
a NOV for the band plus some EU dx.
I get lots of emails from others about beacons and some even advocate contac=
ting OFCOM to have them stopped because of the QRM caused. I have not encour=
aged this approach, hoping that it will go away eventually.
I have a couple of large antennas for 500 and 137 khz and these pick up the=20=
weakest signals and although good in qso mode I get all the beacon qrm as we=
ll hi
73 for now and I hope you now see my point of view.
de Mal/G3KEV
=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Chris=20
  To: RSGB lf Group=20
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:03 AM
  Subject: LF: Becons etc.


  Hello Mal, G3KEV,
  I don't have NOV for 500kHz but enjoy listening. Happy to discuss by e-mai=
l direct.
  I agree there is a problem with 'beacons'. Yesterdays long S9+ beacon sign=
al was a nuisance to me, but I guess this was because the source was relativ=
ely close.
  Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent.


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Chris</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Beacons can be useful the odd time but some=
 are=20
left on continuously for days. One weekend there was a chorous of beacons an=
d=20
some remained on for over a week just generating qrm.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>GI3PDN, GI4DPE, GM4SLV, GW4HXO and a G3 in=20=
Norfolk,=20
cannot remember his call. I cannot see the necessity for this when they are=20=
all=20
capable of working a two way QSO on CW, then leaving the frequencies clear f=
or=20
others.&nbsp;I only work two way&nbsp;QSO mode and QSX on 3533/7033 khz for=20
replies from those without a NOV for the band plus some EU dx.</FONT></DIV>
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;beacons=20
and some even advocate contacting OFCOM to have them stopped because of the=20
QRM&nbsp;caused.&nbsp;I have not encouraged this approach, hoping that it wi=
ll=20
go away eventually.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have a couple of&nbsp;large antennas for=20=
500 and=20
137 khz and these pick up the&nbsp;weakest signals and although good in qso=20=
mode=20
I&nbsp;get all the beacon qrm as well hi</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 for now and I hope you now see my point=20=
of=20
view.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>de Mal/G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
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net.com">Chris</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Becons etc.</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Mal, G3KEV,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't have NOV for 500kHz but enjoy lis=
tening.=20
  Happy to discuss by e-mail direct.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree there is a problem with 'beacons'=
.=20
  Yesterdays long S9+ beacon signal was a nuisance to me, but I guess this w=
as=20
  because the source was relatively close.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent.</FONT></D=
IV>
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Dear all,
I have just discoverd why my 500KHz grabber has been off line for a while..
My ISP has changed my IP address.. (they do not offer a static address, but 
it has been constant for years, only changes when MAC address is different, 
and always the same address for eack mac address)
So I have updated the link on my webpage access should now be OK again.
I suggest that the best way top access it is not to save the page in 
favorites I will keep the website updated.
www.dc2light.co.uk
I hope to be qrv later this weekend if wx permits.
Mark GM4ISM







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Victor,
  Thanks for the capture!
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ


On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 3:39 AM, Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
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> Poor conditions,still captured 3 stations,
>
> 73
> Victor
>
>


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Victor,<br>&nbsp; Thanks for the capture!<br>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 3:39 AM, Victor van Kooten &lt;<a href="mailto:vvkooten@wanadoo.nl">vvkooten@wanadoo.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Poor conditions,still captured 3 stations,<br>
<br>
73<br>
<font color="#888888">Victor<br>
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In a message dated 30/05/2008 19:26:26 GMT Standard Time,  
daveyxm@googlemail.com writes:

Dear  all

It's that time again.. I need news for the next Radcom LF column.  What have 
you been working/building/hearing on LF/MF?
Please let me know to  this address or g3yxm at wireless dot org dot uk

73
Dave.
-- 
G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK 


Hi Dave.
 
Thanks for the text yesterday.
Short answer is that I have 90% of the kit parts. Perhaps more.    
Importantly, I have a PCB all ferrites and the semiconductors.  I may be  short of 1 
capacitor in the low pass and a couple of resistors. Other than that,  yes I have 
a kit.  -  Does he need the oscillator part or will he use  an external DDS 
source with better calibration?   
 
Thanks
 
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500kHz propagation from western europe sets in very late (early morning) her=
e
now, there is no complete nighttime darkness up here anymore so the D-layer
gets very little rest. Midsummer is about a month away and it will be August
before signals slowly start improving here again on MF.

DI2AM was weak too at the time I had the first copy of Rik.

2200z is local midnight here and mid-path midnight will be almost one hour
later.

So in fact 2125z was still "early" copy of Rik here. I expect signals would=20=
have
improved vastly from that. This is a very typical behaviour for DI2AM signal=
s
during recent weeks.

The opposite situation:

In mid winter I could copy GM4SLV 24/7 on the Shetland - Vaasa path during s=
ome
longer tests we ran.


Will keep an ear on 502.95kHz during the weekend when/if I'm in the shack


73

Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD


Quoting hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de:

> This is a pity. According to Rik's time table I did not listen after
> 21.00z
>
> But during the summer season this seems to be necessary. No problem for
> me, I am retired.
>
> 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
>
>
> "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
> > Hear you calling CQ on 502.95kHz at 2125z
> >
> > Weak but readable, a Q4
> >
> >
> > 73's
> >
> > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> > Vaasa / KP03SD
> >
> >
> > Quoting Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
> >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and
> > > once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
> > > Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest
> > > QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
> > > I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC,
> > > monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
> > >
> > > I am running 250 Watt (=3D 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25=
m
> > > long T-antenna.
> > > Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the
> > > theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
> > > But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a
> > > good part of it.
> > >
> > > 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> > >
> > >
> > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
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> >
> >
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Back to mono!
Down with digits!
Hooray for caves!

Dave ;-)


On 05/05/2008, mal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
> For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a
> stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a
> proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and
> operated by a human.
> Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated
> systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be
> ZAPPED!!!
> In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore hard
> to find and destroy.
>
> G3KEV
>
>
>
>


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<div>Back to mono!</div>
<div>Down with digits!</div>
<div>Hooray for caves!</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Dave ;-)<br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 05/05/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">mal</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">For reliable communications all that is required is a pedal cycle with a<br>stormyarcher dynamo hub a simple TX/RX and a pump action CW KEY and a<br>
proficient CW OPERATOR. The hardware could be engineered out of scrap and<br>operated by a human.<br>Although convenient we do not need the Internet, satellites or associated<br>systems to communicate, these are vunerable devices and can easily be<br>
ZAPPED!!!<br>In the end the basic devices will prevail, easily concealed, therefore hard<br>to find and destroy.<br><br>G3KEV<br><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK 

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A capture can be seen here:

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Hello,
saw 4 characters between 3:00-3:55am UTC - 2 of them can be identified
as "X G" (see attached picture).

vy73
Marco
DD7PC

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A child of the bomb , that explains everything ,

One of the symptoms

'psychic numbing'.... feelings of being entrapped in a world that seems 
counterfeit and in which they cannot trust others'

'Dont mean a thing'   if it dont go beep beep

qed

G

or was that toot toot ivor ?

----- Original Message ----- 
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Reeves Paul" <Paul.Reeves@uk.thalesgroup.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:13 AM
> Subject: LF: RE: ZAP
>
>
>> And just why would only CW radios survive?? This is news - EMP will ONLY
>> take out SSB/FM/AM radios!!
>>
>> As usual Mal lives in his own little world.
> Bigger than you think. I worked my way around the world twice before I was
> 21 as a Wireless Officer and several times since.
> I also experienced a H-bomb explosion on Christmas Island and have first
> hand knowledge of EMP and associated effects.
> No lessions please except you are better qualified than me.
>
> G3KEV
>
>>
>> Paul     G8GJA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mal [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net]
>> Sent: 05 May 2008 18:48
>> To: rsgb
>> Subject: LF: ZAP
>>
>>
>> A recent newspaper report indicates a certain country building up its
>> ability to ZAP all appliance communications systems ie Satellite and
>> Internet systems.
>> and do not forget SATNAV systems.
>> Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
>> national control.
>> That leaves the average radio amateur appliance operator out of the comms
>> business.
>> Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be
> the
>> only source of communications in the end.
>> Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF
>> skills should be encouraged.
>> Some might critize these observations but BEWARE
>> I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance
>> devices being unable to contact shore stations and only managed because
> some
>> senior  staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This
>> could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the
> 500
>> khz CW band and mothballed some costal stations, in fact some ships are
>> still equipped with MF/HF equipment as well as Sat systems.
>>
>>
>> G3KEV
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Hi all on LF !
good copy of ua4wpf now !
http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
73 qro J-P f1afj



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Hi LF!

Two grabbers in Moscow online as usual every evening as possible:

http://www.cln.ru/~efremov/grabber.html
Andrey upgrade his grabber up to two windows for different band-pass

www.qrss.nm.ru/grabber.html
My grabber with one window only. The sound card is not full-duplex-(

--
Roman RW3ADB.

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This is a pity. According to Rik's time table I did not listen after
21.00z

But during the summer season this seems to be necessary. No problem for
me, I am retired.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB


"Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
> Hear you calling CQ on 502.95kHz at 2125z
> 
> Weak but readable, a Q4
> 
> 
> 73's
> 
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> Vaasa / KP03SD
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> Quoting Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
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> > Dear all,
> >
> > I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and
> > once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
> > Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest
> > QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
> > I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC,
> > monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
> >
> > I am running 250 Watt (= 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m
> > long T-antenna.
> > Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the
> > theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
> > But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a
> > good part of it.
> >
> > 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> >
> >
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On Mon, 12 May 2008 18:57:28 -0000
"mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

> There is a loose connection with 500 khz CW and how to wipe out RADIO
> AMATEURS trying to have a normal CW QSO.

Normal amateur bands are the place for radio amateurs to have normal CW
QSOs.

500 is not a normal amateur band and you should expect operations to be
conducted in ways that may offend your narrow definition of how to
operate.



I'm now happy to inform you that I won't see any more of your
ridiculous trolling, posturing or snide denigration of well intentioned
experimental NoV holders.

I'm now withdrawing from the childish prattle you repeatedly stir up on
an otherwise helpful and intelligent mailing list.

John Pumford-Green 
GM4SLV


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On 12 May 2008 at 22:46, John Pumford-Green GM4SLV wrote:

> Normal amateur bands are the place for radio amateurs to have normal CW
> QSOs.
> 
> 500 is not a normal amateur band and you should expect operations to be
> conducted in ways that may offend your narrow definition of how to
> operate.
> 

Oh dear dear dear......

Personally, while getting very bored with these petty arguments, 
beacons do nothing for me at all and there are plenty of other 500kHz 
operators who like me DO like normal QSOs. Quite a lot of those were 
active in the early days (and also of 136kHz) who are never heard these 
days as they have got disillusioned. There is a place for both beacons 
and normal CW QSOs (and data modes as well) on both these bands and to 
say otherwise is total nonsense.

I was going to try and sort out the matching of my 500kHz vertical this 
week and get back on the band. I have now lost that enthusiasm, seeing 
as it appears there will be nobody for me to work anyway.

Sorry to see you go John, but really these sorts of arguments do little 
to help.

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com



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Dear LF,

quite a few signals appeared on the LF grabber last night:

XGJ  137779.8     02:29 -~04:40
YO   137777.6/.8  21:35 - 22:11
AGC  137777.6     19:45 - 21:20
DTL  137776.0     19:57 - 21:25
CFH  137000       00:08 - 01:09, 03:30 -~05:00
WX   136319.0     16:14 - 05:11

Best wishes

Markus,
DF6NM in JN59NK

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>quite a few signals appeared on the LF grab=
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Console" size=3D2>XGJ&nbsp;=20
137779.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 02:29&nbsp;-~04:40</FONT></DIV>
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137777.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;19:45 - 21:20</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Console" size=3D2>DTL&nbsp;=20
137776.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;19:57 - 21:25</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Console" size=3D2>CFH&nbsp;=20
137000&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;00:08 - 01:09, 03:30=20
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Marco,

   Thanks for the report and capture!

73 Warren K2ORS



On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:20 AM, Scholz, Marco <marco.scholz@citi.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
> Last night i copied DTL (F4DTL) between 22:10-23:05UTC and a partial
> copy this morning of XGJ between 1:50-3:00am UTC.
>
> vy73
> Marco
> DD7PC
> JN49ax
>
> mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de
> http://dd7pc.qsl.nu
>



-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
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Marco,<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks for the report and capture!<br><br>73 Warren K2ORS<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:20 AM, Scholz, Marco &lt;<a href="mailto:marco.scholz@citi.com">marco.scholz@citi.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hello,<br>
Last night i copied DTL (F4DTL) between 22:10-23:05UTC and a partial<br>
copy this morning of XGJ between 1:50-3:00am UTC.<br>
<br>
vy73<br>
Marco<br>
DD7PC<br>
JN49ax<br>
<br>
mailto:<a href="mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de">dd7pc@gmx.de</a><br>
<a href="http://dd7pc.qsl.nu" target="_blank">http://dd7pc.qsl.nu</a><br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Hello John and all,

I am in perfect agreement with your remarks , the scientific step is=20
more rigorous with a beacon/grabber H24 than  the simple CW qso ! If you=20
ask me which is the propagation on 137kHz the 3 january 2008 with the=20
top of the Atlantic , it is just go to :       =20
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/2008/January/
John , PLEASE do not leave the 600m , it does not have there already=20
nobody any more on the 2200m because of all these quarrels of vicinity !!!!

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj  (faithful to the 2200m, which is not against=20
the 600m , quite to the contrary ! )

John Pumford-Green GM4SLV a =E9crit :
>
> A 250Hz IF filter and a 10Hz AF filter.... what QRM?=20
>
>
>
> The EXPERIMENTAL RESEARCH band is not for "rubberstamp DX QSOs" ("ur RST
> 599 =3D pse QSL =3D QRU 73") or a "ragchewers paradise" ("ere
> WX sunny =3D been to docs for lumbago =3D xyl say hows Marge and the dogs?=
")
>
> It's for self-determined study into a hitherto unexplored area (to
> amateurs and on the whole also to professionals) of the MF spectrum.=20
>
> Before you say "the old marine CW users know all there is to know" think
> again - the professional users were generally only interested in
> reasonably short range, reasonably strong signals, from reasonably
> efficient antennas and using reasonably powerful transmitters, over
> reasonably favourable groundplane conductivity.=20
>
> Very little could be done during the heyday of MF CW to
> seriously investigate this region of spectrum, in terms of compromise
> short antenna systems, weak signals and anomalous propagation -  due to
> the high levels of occupancy and large signal levels.=20
>
> Certainly nothing was known at that time about DSP and clever digital
> modulation/coding systems to achieve robust, low power, information
> exchange.=20
>
> YES.... I know... "CW IS BEST".... but think... some of the new schemes
> may actually be BETTER.... but until someone tests them we'll never
> know..... CW might indeed be the one true mode, let others do their
> datamode tests, and let's see.
>
>
> Randomly convened 2-way CW QSOs may provide an insight into the
> band, for the 2-stations concerned. It's a bit hit and miss though.
>
>
> However others may want a more in depth, scientific view of things.
>
> Long periods of transmission (I'm not going to call them beacons) allow
> the collection of much more data, by many more people, than the odd
> "I've got half an hour to spare, let's see what's on 500" way of
> operating=20
>
> I have had many CW QSOs on 500 where some actual experimentation was
> done in the course of the QSO but in generalI think most QSOs are
> either local groundwave rag-chews or short (what's to be learned by
> this?), or short rubber stamp "DX" QSOs - to get a new
> call/country/distance in the log.=20
>
> Are you telling me that this style of operating is what was intended by
> the issuing of Special Research Permits?=20
>
> Admittedly the research concerened may be to build/modify/adjust the
> equipment, and the QSO is a means of proving a concept or validating a
> modification etc...
>
>
> The "beacon hell" period you refer to, where several stations had
> continuous CW idents running, was for a specific and I think valid,
> cause - to enlist the community of NDB listeners (experts in narrow
> band, weak signal in high QRM, MF CW reception) over the Easter weekend
> in attempting to receive amateur signals on 500kHz.
>
> We all got very many reports - many more than could have been gathered
> relying only on direct, in-band or cross-band QSOs.
>
>
> The stations sending the transmissions learned much about the
> performance of their equipment, and the band itself, and the listeners
> probably gained new knowledge too.
>
>
> I'm heartily tired of all this whinging about "beacons are spoiling
> it".
>
> Do you want to turn the radio on, call "CQ", have a QSO with a random
> stranger?
>
> Use 80/40/30/20m.
>
>
>
> Do you want to study something specific, in depth?=20
>
> Then do some more structured operating. If this is pre-arranged regular
> skeds with specific stations (the dreaded email...to arrange them,
> to report on them beyond what is passed in the QSO... to discuss things
> - eg  if it failed due to unsuitable conditions.....)
>
>
> Or even generate a more general "beacon" (attended operation only of
> course!!!) for a wider audience to study. Perhaps operate a grabber
> for others use as a research tool...
>
>
> These are more in line with the spirit and intention of the Special=20
> Research Permit than random QSOs.
>
>
>
> Your narrow view of how others should operate on 500, repeated ad
> nauseum on this list every time you get out of bed the wrong side, has
> driven several experimenally minded people away already.... and now
> it's done the same for me too.
>
>
> I'm now QRT on 500 and I know you'll be happy at that. More proof that
> the modern radio amateur is a technically challenged appliance
> operator. You're wrong in that assumption - my operation on 500 has
> been with homebrew gear and manual telegraphy only - but you're
> welcome to your opinions (you certainly have plenty of them).=20
>
>
> For those that used my grabber for their investigations, or were happy
> to study my "beacon" signals from this far flung corner of the UK - I
> wish you every success on 500.=20
>
> Just make sure you play by Mal's rules.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Pumford-Green
> GM4SLV
>
>
>
>
>  =20

--=20
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Hi Peter.
I did not think we used cad/copper for drop wire, 40lb  open wire yes ,  I was with  GPO/BT  1963  - 2002,  and the  early  drop wire  was  stranded, rubberised insulation, later we went to solid and i thought we had stoped using cadmium by then. currnt drop wire is now 2 pair .

Regards.
Ken 
M0KHW

IO91TV
 

Peter Dodd <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk> wrote: many thanks to those who replied to my email regarding telephone drop wire.

The material I have is not copper coated steel wire - it looks like 
copper material all through.
The conductors are 1mm diameter and the black insulation is about 1.25mm 
thick. The pair of wires are 2.5mm apart. I have used it as twin feeder 
to an OCFD for the HF band to good effect.
G3JMG, in an article in RadCom March 1970 noted that BT had their own 
recipe for the conductors of drop wire: an addition of one per cent 
cadmium to the basic copper mix. This increased the tensile strength of 
hard drawn copper by 50% from 30 tons psi to 30 tons psi. This also 
increased the DC resistance by about 20%.

regards

Peter, G3LDO
> On 16 May 2008 at 7:08, Laurence KL1X wrote:
>
>   
>> ..........I never had to deal
>>  with open wire spans by the time of my apprecticeship but I think
>>  that was very similar physically.
>>     
>
> There was some open wire around when I was a BT (Post Office) 
> apprentice. It was solid copper wire. As I recall, dropwire (steel 
> with a thin copper coating) had a limit to its usable length because 
> it had a higher DC resistance than open wire. This resistance may not 
> be high in relation to other losses on an LF Marconi, but it would 
> rule out its use in a transmitting loop antenna.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> ==========
>
>
>
>
>   




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Hi Peter.<br>I did not think we used cad/copper for drop wire, 40lb&nbsp; open wire yes ,&nbsp; I was with&nbsp; GPO/BT&nbsp; 1963&nbsp; - 2002,&nbsp; and the&nbsp; early&nbsp; drop wire&nbsp; was&nbsp; stranded, rubberised insulation, later we went to solid and i thought we had stoped using cadmium by then. currnt drop wire is now 2 pair .<br><br>Regards.<br>Ken <br>M0KHW<br><br>IO91TV<br>&nbsp;<br><br><b><i>Peter Dodd &lt;g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk&gt;</i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> many thanks to those who replied to my email regarding telephone drop wire.<br><br>The material I have is not copper coated steel wire - it looks like <br>copper material all through.<br>The conductors are 1mm diameter and the black insulation is about 1.25mm <br>thick. The pair of wires are 2.5mm apart. I have used it as twin feeder <br>to an OCFD for the HF band to good effect.<br>G3JMG, in an article
 in RadCom March 1970 noted that BT had their own <br>recipe for the conductors of drop wire: an addition of one per cent <br>cadmium to the basic copper mix. This increased the tensile strength of <br>hard drawn copper by 50% from 30 tons psi to 30 tons psi. This also <br>increased the DC resistance by about 20%.<br><br>regards<br><br>Peter, G3LDO<br>&gt; On 16 May 2008 at 7:08, Laurence KL1X wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;   <br>&gt;&gt; ..........I never had to deal<br>&gt;&gt;  with open wire spans by the time of my apprecticeship but I think<br>&gt;&gt;  that was very similar physically.<br>&gt;&gt;     <br>&gt;<br>&gt; There was some open wire around when I was a BT (Post Office) <br>&gt; apprentice. It was solid copper wire. As I recall, dropwire (steel <br>&gt; with a thin copper coating) had a limit to its usable length because <br>&gt; it had a higher DC resistance than open wire. This resistance may not <br>&gt; be high in relation to other losses on an LF Marconi, but it
 would <br>&gt; rule out its use in a transmitting loop antenna.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Mike, G3XDV<br>&gt; ==========<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;   <br><br><br></blockquote><br>

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Hello Nicolas,
yesterday (18:25-19:15 UTC) best copy of your signal so far - see
attached snapshot, clear copy of dtl.
=20
vy73
Marco
DD7PC, JN49ax
  _____ =20

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http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm

    Hello Nicolas (F4DTL),
    rrr my Rx is on. Report later.
   =20
    vy73
    Marco
    DD7PC
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A recent newspaper report indicates a certain country building up its
ability to ZAP all appliance communications systems ie Satellite and
Internet systems.
and do not forget SATNAV systems.
Bring back Loran and associated nav systems for dependibility with some
national control.
That leaves the average radio amateur appliance operator out of the comms
business.
Those CW operators with real radios and ability to operate them will be the
only source of communications in the end.
Govt agencies also take notice. Real radio amateurs with basic CW and RF
skills should be encouraged.
Some might critize these observations but BEWARE
I have heard stories of ships with the latest communications appliance
devices being unable to contact shore stations and only managed because some
senior  staff qualified radio officers on board took over using CW. This
could be the reason why some govt agencies are reluctant to release the 500
khz CW band and mothballed some costal stations, in fact some ships are
still equipped with MF/HF equipment as well as Sat systems.


G3KEV




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TNX Uwe!
I know your web-site and antenna for 500.
So very interested.
Your V directed to Russia side?)

73!
Roman

* uwe-jannsen@versanet.de [Sun,  4 May 2008 19:39:33 +0200]:
> Zitat von Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>:
>
> > Hi Uwe!
> >
> > What antenna in use for TX?
> > QRB to own side ~1790 km.
> >
> > Roman
> >
>
> Hi Roman agn,
> pse see part 4 of
>
> http://www.uwe-jannsen-dj8wx.de/TX%20equipment.htm
>
> the aerial is good for 500kHz and 136kHz, only shorting the elevated
> coil if
> used on 500kHz.
>
> best regards
> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
>
>
>
>
>
> > * uwe-jannsen@versanet.de [Sat,  3 May 2008 22:45:24 +0200]:
> >> Zitat von Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>:
> >>
> >> > Hi Uwe, LF!
> >> >
> >> > I copy you in QRSS-60 only.
> >> > Your signal at my location before sunrise as usual.
> >> >
> >> > * Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru> [Sat, 3 May 2008 04:59:08=20
+0400]:
> >> >> Hello Uwe,
> >> >> Your qrss-id 0.51z.
> >> >> 73
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Roman RW3ADB.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Hi Roman and Andrey,
> >> thanks for the captures. so qrss3 makes it.
> >> radiated pwr is abt 300mW ERP.
> >> vy 73
> >> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
> >> PS. this night ZAN.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Roman RW3ADB.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

--
Roman RW3ADB.

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Hi Marcus

Periodically off

Dmitry

Markus Vester wrote:

> Hello LF,
>
> does someone in the group have information on the current status of 
> the Russian Chayka chains (Loran-C equivalent on 100 kHz)?
>
> The transmissions of the Western Chain (GRI 8000) seem to have gone 
> off air on May 12. Could someone with an LF receiver in the region 
> perhaps confirm the absence or presence of sideband lines at multiples 
> of 6.25 Hz?
>
> Wikipedia mentions up to five additional chains on GRI's 7950, 5980, 
> 5960, 4970, 5970. I have looked for their pulses here, but never 
> managed to find any.
>
> Any hints would be greatly appreciated.
>
> 73 de Markus, DF6NM
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>
>



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hi nicolas
capture f4dtl
henny pa3cpm  jo22mb
best 73s


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Henny,

  Nice capture!
Tnx OM!


On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 8:32 AM, henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl> wrote:

>  *hi warren,*
> *capture xgj  04:00utc*
> *henny pa3cpm*
> *best 73s*
>



-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
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Henny,<br><br>&nbsp; Nice capture! <br>Tnx OM!<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 8:32 AM, henny van elst &lt;<a href="mailto:cpm@planet.nl">cpm@planet.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






<div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">hi warren,</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">capture xgj&nbsp; 
04:00utc</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">henny pa3cpm</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">best 
73s</font></b></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Captured last night,with homebrew receiver

73
Victor

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LF

I am transmitting a test signal on 136.9 kHz at present (1220 GMT)
using 5 wpm CW.
I'll listen for any callers between transmissions on this frequency and
on 136.5 kHz.

DK4U and F6BWO were good CW copy here in IO92UB
yesterday.

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Special thanx to Victor PA3FNY, Eberhard, Jean-Pierre F1AFJ and Hartmut  
Wolff for reports of last night.
 
This evening new test with a modified Z transformer (THT TV  core) and 130W 
QRSS60.
Always my small vertical antenna (10m without capacitive hat)
 
 
Monitoring : _http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm_ 
(http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm) 
 

F4DTL in  JN18FP





   

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Thanks Henny for the capture!

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ


2008/5/29 henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:

>  *hi warren*
> **
> *capture xgj  03:40z*
> *henny pa3cpm*
> *best 73s*
> **
>
> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
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> xgj2905.jpg
>
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-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
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Thanks Henny for the capture!<br><br>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/5/29 henny van elst &lt;<a href="mailto:cpm@planet.nl">cpm@planet.nl</a>&gt;:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






<div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">hi warren</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></b>&nbsp;</div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">capture xgj&nbsp; 
03:40z</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">henny pa3cpm</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2">best 73s</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></b>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen 
worden verzonden:<br>xgj2905.jpg<br><br>Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma&#39;s 
staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde 
bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail 
als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.</div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Hello Henny and the LF group,

Unfortunately, the TX is off at the moment.  The aerial has become
coated in ice has broken.

73
Joe

On Wed, 14 May 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> hi joe,
> nothing seen today,
> best 73s
> henny cpm.


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> What makes you think that everything else will be zapped? Simple
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Date: 5/5/2008  From: Andy Bell - KU4XR - EM75xr

Hello LOWfer, LFers, Experimenters, and such.

I have a Longwave antenna question, and I would appreciate any input and suggestions.
I am collecting the parts to build a LOWfer xmtr for next Northern Hemisphere winter.
I have a decent portion of land, but no easy way to erect a vertical, and ground radials
would be a problem, so I have been thinking about a tuned xmit loop for 184KHz.
My question is; From your experience, ( or opinions ), which would perform better overall,
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which I could support with poles at about 20' height ( approx. 7 meters ) above ground.
If I understand correctly, a loop does not radiate off the sides, so if mounted horizontally,
there would be ( almost ) no upward, or downward radiation, but the loop should radiate 
at very low angles in an omnidirectional pattern, as a surface wave. But would any of this matter
at the low frequency and 15 meter size limit for the antenna ??

Question #2: is there any advantage to a triangle ( 3 sided ) over a 4 sided loop ?? 
Again, mounted vertically versus horizontally. 

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Hi LF,

 

What is the software for uploading screen shots to a grabber page of a
website ?

 

As I run a Softrock receiver 24/7 I will give it a try & set up a grabber.

 

Any hints & tips will be appreciated from the experienced users.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP.

 


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Nice to  here from the Steptoe of  MF radio  again, no doubt the TX is calle=
d Hercules as it produces copious quantities of 'plant food'=20

Last week is was bicycle repair man , the week before that it was a re-run D=
r Strangelove and now its a fine demonstration of  schizophrenia, where the=20=
'nice' half  compains about the other  'naughty half' who had endless fun tr=
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Apparently  Hercules was rock bound , a trip to  the knackers yard may be in=
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G ..=20


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  Hi all,

  I personally cannot see what is wrong with a experiment in which transmiss=
ions are made in one mode and on a particular frequency and reports are rece=
ived by way of another mechanism or method. Such an experimental method is c=
ertainly permitted under the terms of not only the general licence but also=20=
under the terms of the NoV.

  I can personally vouch for the acceptability of this by precedence having=20=
in the past held a licence permitting precisely that arrangement for the pur=
pose of antenna experiments for commercial purposes.=20



  In the race of life put a big bet on the nag named "Self-Interest" - He wi=
ll always be in there trying hard !

  73 de Pat G4GVW

  qth Near Felixstowe, East coast of UK


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Marco, Markus, Victor,

    Thank you for the reports and captures!
Thanks Markus for the grabber!

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On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Scholz, Marco <marco.scholz@citi.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> saw 4 characters between 3:00-3:55am UTC - 2 of them can be identified
> as "X G" (see attached picture).
>
> vy73
> Marco
> DD7PC
>
> mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de
> http://dd7pc.qsl.nu
>
>


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Marco, Markus, Victor,<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thank you for the reports and captures!<br>Thanks Markus for the grabber!<br><br>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Scholz, Marco &lt;<a href="mailto:marco.scholz@citi.com">marco.scholz@citi.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hello,<br>
saw 4 characters between 3:00-3:55am UTC - 2 of them can be identified<br>
as &quot;X G&quot; (see attached picture).<br>
<br>
vy73<br>
Marco<br>
DD7PC<br>
<br>
mailto:<a href="mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de">dd7pc@gmx.de</a><br>
<a href="http://dd7pc.qsl.nu" target="_blank">http://dd7pc.qsl.nu</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Thanks to Hartmut, Eberhard, and Victor for the reports and captures!

Thanks to Markus and Jean-Pierre for the grabbers.


WD2XGJ will be off tonight due to storms.


73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ




On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Hartmut Wolff <h-wolff@gmx.de> wrote:

> Hartmut Wolff wrote:
>
>> Updated my website http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm with captures of
>> G3XIZ, F4DTL, RN3AGC, UA4WPF and WD2XSH taken last night.
>>
>
> Ooops, I meant WD2XGJ and not WD2XSH!
>
>
>
> --
> 73
> Hartmut
> www.h-wolff.de
> Locator: JO52hp
>
>


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WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
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Thanks to Hartmut, Eberhard, and Victor for the reports and captures!<br><br>Thanks to Markus and Jean-Pierre for the grabbers.<br><br><br>WD2XGJ will be off tonight due to storms.<br><br><br>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><br>
<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Hartmut Wolff &lt;<a href="mailto:h-wolff@gmx.de">h-wolff@gmx.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">Hartmut Wolff wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Updated my website <a href="http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm" target="_blank">http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm</a> with captures of G3XIZ, F4DTL, RN3AGC, UA4WPF and WD2XSH taken last night.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Ooops, I meant WD2XGJ and not WD2XSH!<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
73<br>
Hartmut<br>
<a href="http://www.h-wolff.de" target="_blank">www.h-wolff.de</a><br>
Locator: JO52hp<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2XGJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br> 

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Hi Alan, LF,

For you Alan & others who may have missed the G4WGT 500 KHz Grabber URL
previously :-

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber.html

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.


-----Original Message-----

Hi Gary can you re send the URL ??
Alan




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Hartmut Wolff wrote:
> Updated my website http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm with captures of 
> G3XIZ, F4DTL, RN3AGC, UA4WPF and WD2XSH taken last night.

Ooops, I meant WD2XGJ and not WD2XSH!


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          <TD width=3D"77%">Did you ever end up with or do you now have a de=
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      <P>In addition, I was always curious as to what was on the insides of=20
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at=20
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=20
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          <TD width=3D"76%">I did not take this project lightly.&nbsp; I spe=
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=20
            describe what the folks in Cleveland placed inside those little=20=
gold=20
            cylinders.&nbsp; I hope this article can save someone else some=20
            search time if they attempt the same endeavor.</TD></TR></TBODY>=
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      <P>First, to test a Bird slug (assuming that you are going to a hamfes=
t),=20
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f=20
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to=20
      test it, place the VOM on a higher resistance scale (I used the 20K sc=
ale=20
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 and=20
      place one probe on the round shell of the slug while carefully touchin=
g=20
      one of the small connection which is exposed on one side. &nbsp; Then=20
      reverse the VOM leads.&nbsp; Test it just like you would test a diode=20=
--=20
      you want continuity in one direction and an open connection the other=20
      way.&nbsp;&nbsp; Then test the connection on the other side of the slu=
g=20
      the same way, expecting the same results.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you find=20
      continuity, or a very low resistance, from the shell to a connection i=
n=20
      both directions, something is shorted in the slug.&nbsp; If you find n=
o=20
      continuity in either direction, something is open in the slug.&nbsp;=20
      Either way will cause it not to work. &nbsp; On the one I had, I had n=
o=20
      continuity.</P>
      <P>Over a period of months I would pick that slug up and try to twist,=
=20
      poke, pull and generally try to see how to get inside it to see if=20
      anything was <EM>obviously</EM> gone.&nbsp; It resisted my every=20
      attempt.&nbsp; My wife would have said, "throw it away... it isn't any=
=20
      good.&nbsp; Just forget the money that you wasted on it..........It's=20
      gone!"</P>
      <P>I don't think so.&nbsp; 'Course I really didn't tell her that I bou=
ght=20
      a dud so she didn't actually say that.&nbsp;&nbsp; Finally, over a yea=
r=20
      past the original purchase, I decided to take drastic steps.&nbsp; Aft=
er=20
      all, it's dead anyway ---- what can I hurt?</P>
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            someone had used some type of grinding tool on the face of the s=
lug=20
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            sooner......and especially before I bought it.....)&nbsp; The tw=
o=20
            round grinding spots were within the arrow which seems to be on=20=
all=20
            Bird slugs showing which direction it is to be turned. &nbsp;&nb=
sp;=20
            One was directly within the arrow head and the other at the=20
            opposite, tail side of the arrow.&nbsp; </TD></TR></TBODY></TABL=
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      <P>With my Dremel tool and several different bits and stones, I was ab=
le=20
      to grind down past the aluminum disk which is the label, and pop the l=
abel=20
      disk off.&nbsp; I regret that when this activity took place, I did not=
 own=20
      a digital camera so I have no actual pictures of the following=20
      steps.&nbsp; Even though I now have a camera, I cannot bring myself to=
=20
      re-enter the slug, just to get pictures.&nbsp; I will attempt to be, i=
n=20
      words, as descriptive as a camera would have been in pictures.</P>
      <P>Once the label disk was off, it revealed a cavity in the center wit=
h a=20
      single screw which was covered with a sealer to show whether it had be=
en=20
      "messed with." &nbsp; Again, nothing to lose so I unscrewed that screw=
=20
      which released the larger circular part of the slug.&nbsp; This is the=
=20
      widest part of the slug&nbsp; which has the grooves and is gripped to=20
      rotate the slug in the wattmeter housing.</P>
      <P>Once the finger piece was off, I could see a 1/2 watt resistor with=
 a=20
      piece of spaghetti over one lead. &nbsp; It was soldered on one side t=
o a=20
      small terminal which was one of the two connection pieces which are al=
ways=20
      visible on the side.&nbsp;&nbsp; The other lead of the resistor connec=
ted=20
      to another terminal and on to the top of a diode coming through the=20
      remaining part of the slug.</P>
      <P>Two more screws were also revealed and once they were removed, the=20
      white nylon cover which shielded the primary RF detection pieces was=20
      removable.&nbsp; This round white piece of nylon is the piece which yo=
u=20
      see on the lower section of all Bird slugs.&nbsp; The slug I had was a=
 50C=20
      which was calibrated for 50 watts in the range of 100-250 MHz.</P>
      <P>The RF detection parts were a 1 1/2 turn coil of about #18 silver=20
      plated wire connected to the diode on one end and a flat feed-thru=20
      capacitor on the other.&nbsp; The white nylon cover was actually a=20
      machined-out piece with room to go around the coil and feed-thru. &nbs=
p; I=20
      had originally thought it to be just an inverted bowl-type cover but i=
t is=20
      much more rugged than that.</P>
      <P>I did not bother the coil or other parts inside the slug once I=20
      realized that my problem was an open resistor.&nbsp; This resistor was=
=20
      marked 14K 1% and had, no doubt, gotten too hot from excessive power s=
o it=20
      opened up.&nbsp; As Fortune had smiled upon me, I had an exact replace=
ment=20
      resistor which helped to speed the repair.&nbsp;&nbsp; I carefully ben=
t=20
      the leads on the replacement resistor to look exactly like the one it=20=
was=20
      replacing.&nbsp; The defective resistor was easily and quickly removed=
 and=20
      the replacement fit back perfectly.&nbsp; I tried to use the least amo=
unt=20
      of heat on the connections so as not to risk changing the value of the=
=20
      resistor.</P>
      <P>Putting things back together, everything fit fine and there were no=
=20
      left-over pieces (unlike some of my previous projects).&nbsp; The slug=
 was=20
      tried and worked as it was supposed to.&nbsp; At least, it read upscal=
e=20
      when power was applied through the wattmeter connectors.</P>
      <P>Bird slugs are expensive because they are manufactured to close=20
      tolerances and I imagine it takes quite a bit of time (Time =3D $$$$)=20=
to=20
      assure the accuracy to which users have come to expect of Bird=20
      products.&nbsp; My repaired slug certainly did read something but ther=
e=20
      was no assurance that it would anywhere near the accuracy that was=20
      demanded of that unit.&nbsp; I compared the repaired slug to another I=
 had=20
      which covered the same range and they read to same values.&nbsp; <EM>Y=
es,=20
      since that one had been defective and I still needed that value, I had=
=20
      purchased another.</EM>&nbsp; The repaired slug read the same as the=20
      untouched, other one which had become its replacement.&nbsp; Lucky? &n=
bsp;=20
      Probably.&nbsp; Happy?&nbsp; Absolutely!!</P>
      <P>Had I been able to verify the contents and inner make-up of the Bir=
d=20
      slug earlier, that is, if I could have read what you just read, I woul=
d=20
      have started the repairs much sooner. &nbsp; It may be that I was just=
=20
      lucky and attempting this project again on a different dud slug would=20=
have=20
      resulted in a much different outcome.&nbsp; I was, however, very pleas=
ed=20
      with the final result on this particular attempt.&nbsp; If you attempt=
 the=20
      same, I hope you have similar success because, as we all know, "A Bird=
 in=20
      the hand is............ oh, never mind....."=20
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      ----- K5LAD</P>
      <P><A=20
      href=3D"http://www.hayseed.net/~jpk5lad/BIRD%20Slugs/birdslug2.htm">Cl=
ick=20
      here to go to More Info on Bird Slugs</A></P>
      <P><A=20
      href=3D"http://www.hayseed.net/~jpk5lad/BIRD%20Slugs/birdslug3.htm">Cl=
ick=20
      here to go to Even More Info on Bird Slugs</A></P>
      <P><A=20
      href=3D"http://www.hayseed.net/~jpk5lad/BIRD%20Slugs/birdslug4.htm">Cl=
ick=20
      here to for Additional Info on Modifying Bird Slugs</A></P>
      <P><A=20
      href=3D"http://www.hayseed.net/~jpk5lad/BIRD%20Slugs/birdslug5.htm">Cl=
ick=20
      here to for Even More Info on Modifying Bird Slugs</A></P>
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ik moet even naar apeldoorn,een racal ophalen,we hadden het er gisteren nog 
over,en inderdaad voor 125 euro ga ik hem halen.
ik ben de hele middag al bezig om een plekje vrij te maken,maar ja...

gr.henny cpm.

het baken staat even uit,jij bent de enige die hem kan horen want willem is 
een paar dagen weg.

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> Warren,captured your signal at 3:00z
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> 73
>
> Victor 



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Hi Victor, Eberhard, LF,
Thanks for the report! My frequency at the last night ~137777,6.
My loc KO85sv.
73
RN3AGC


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Hi Warren,

01:45..02:15     TX on ??

73 Eberhard


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Thanks Jean-Pierre!

WD2XGJ will be off the next few days...

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ



On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
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> Hi all on LF !
>
> I give the grabber on the way ,
>
> http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
>
> 73 qro J-P f1afj
>
>
>
>


--=20
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
WE2XGR/1

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Thanks Jean-Pierre!<br><br>WD2XGJ will be off the next few days...<br><br>73=
 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ<br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, May 4=
, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jpm.f1afj@onli=
ne.fr">jpm.f1afj@online.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 2=
04, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi all on LF !<br>
<br>
I give the grabber on the way ,<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm</a><br>
<br>
73 qro J-P f1afj<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>73 Warren K2ORS<br> WD2X=
GJ <br> WD2XSH/23<br> WE2XEB/2<br> WE2XGR/1<br><br>=20

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Thanks Henny.

Lets hope conditions improve.  The tx remains in operation on
187.37475 kHz, QRSS120 on the hour.

Cheers
Joe

On Fri, 9 May 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> nothing seen joe
> best 73s
> henny pa3cpm.


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hi john,
capture xgj  04:30 utc
henny pa3cpm
best 73s


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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hi john,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>capture xgj&nbsp; 04:30=20
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Hello Nicolas,what is your output,estimated erp??

73

Victor
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens F4DTL@aol.com
  Verzonden: donderdag 1 mei 2008 7:51
  Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Onderwerp: Re: LF: xgj,dtl


  Hello, DTL = F4DTL QRP test beacon.

  F4DTL in JN18FP


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<DIV><SPAN class=3D296213808-01052008>Hello Nicolas,what is your output,esti=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D296213808-01052008>73</SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV>Hello, DTL =3D F4DTL QRP test beacon.</DIV>
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Scholz, Marco wrote:
> Dear LF-Group,
> I transmitting the first time on 137.776KHz in beacon mode in QRSS30. If succuss I send detup details later, but very experimental.
> Please I'm very happen for any report.


Marco,

a capture can be seen here:
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Hello,
Last night i copied DTL (F4DTL) between 22:10-23:05UTC and a partial
copy this morning of XGJ between 1:50-3:00am UTC.

vy73
Marco
DD7PC
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mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de
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Dear Rik,

your cq calls were 549 here at 21.13 UTC and 559 at 21.17 UTC, both
clearly readable. Thank You for identifying ON4KTJ, but I remember
having read similar bad reports from G-Stations over rather small
distances.

Perhaps You should think about working xband 600m/80m. About midnight
your signal should be fine here and also in similar distances. But I
have read that your problem at your QTH is a second antenna. Or You have
to find a way to switch your MF antenna at least for receive on 80m.

Just hear your cq call at 21.35 UTC, agn 549, nw answered by G3xiz (whom
I do not hear).

Nw will send this email. 

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB

"Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> schrieb:
> Dear Hajo,
> 
> thanks for the report.
> Just worked ON4KTJ, but even here he was only 339 over abt 70km distance.
> His QTH is Ath (abt 50km SW of Brussels).
> Maybe southcoast G's can copy him.
> 
> Anyway: my 14th station and 5th DXCC.
> 
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> 
> Quoting hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de:
> 
> > Just heard weak signals from OR7T on 502,2 kHz in eastern Bavaria, QTH
> > JN68GN;
> > at 20.40 the end of a qso with ON4??, and
> >
> > at 20.44 cq d3e OR7T
> >
> > Paul-Hendrik, tnx for your explanations. I also feel that for the time
> > being 23.00 UTC will be the optimum time for EU dx. We both have the
> > same local summer time i guess.
> >
> > Nw back to the reiceiver.
> >
> > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
> >
> > "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
> >> 500kHz propagation from western europe sets in very late (early   
> >> morning) here
> >> now, there is no complete nighttime darkness up here anymore so the D-layer
> >> gets very little rest. Midsummer is about a month away and it will be August
> >> before signals slowly start improving here again on MF.
> >>
> >> DI2AM was weak too at the time I had the first copy of Rik.
> >>
> >> 2200z is local midnight here and mid-path midnight will be almost one hour
> >> later.
> >>
> >> So in fact 2125z was still "early" copy of Rik here. I expect   
> >> signals would have
> >> improved vastly from that. This is a very typical behaviour for   
> >> DI2AM signals
> >> during recent weeks.
> >>
> >> The opposite situation:
> >>
> >> In mid winter I could copy GM4SLV 24/7 on the Shetland - Vaasa path  
> >>  during some
> >> longer tests we ran.
> >>
> >>
> >> Will keep an ear on 502.95kHz during the weekend when/if I'm in the shack
> >>
> >>
> >> 73
> >>
> >> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> >> Vaasa / KP03SD
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de:
> >>
> >> > This is a pity. According to Rik's time table I did not listen after
> >> > 21.00z
> >> >
> >> > But during the summer season this seems to be necessary. No problem for
> >> > me, I am retired.
> >> >
> >> > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Paul-Henrik" <phl@netikka.fi> schrieb:
> >> > > Hear you calling CQ on 502.95kHz at 2125z
> >> > >
> >> > > Weak but readable, a Q4
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 73's
> >> > >
> >> > > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
> >> > > Vaasa / KP03SD
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Quoting Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Dear all,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have been calling CQ once in a while last night (on 502.95 kHz) and
> >> > > > once I thought to hear a response near 501.9 kHz.
> >> > > > Unfortunately QRM is very high in the lower part of the band. Lowest
> >> > > > QRM level (at my location) is between 502.9 and 503.4 kHz.
> >> > > > I will try to be QRV on 600 m the next days from 19-21 UTC,
> >> > > > monitoring the band for activity and calling CQ every now and then.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I am running 250 Watt (= 2 A antenna current) into a 11m high and 25m
> >> > > > long T-antenna.
> >> > > > Calculated radiation resistance of the antenna is 0.4 Ohm, the
> >> > > > theoretical ERP should be around 3 Watt.
> >> > > > But I am afraid that the greenery surrounding the antenna absorbs a
> >> > > > good part of it.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> >> > > >
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